Jun 24, 2021 P&amp;Z Commission

ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MANN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STYLES, ALL IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE'LL MOVE

[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-017 to amend the current zoning of Conventional Development Sector within the PUD/TOD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development) to create the POINTE 183 Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of GC-4-C (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 22.252 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032233; and generally located between US 183 and 183A Toll Road to the south of CR 276, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Applicant/Agent: PLACE Designers, Inc. (Vincent Shaw) on behalf of RB 270 Partnership (Roger Beasley). Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-017 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

ITEM, NUMBER 10, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 T O D ZERO Z ZERO 17.

TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR WITHIN THE PUD T O D WITH THE BASE ZONING OF GC FOUR C GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 22.25, TWO ACRES IN SIZE AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY ONCE IN COUNTY

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APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCEL R 0 3 2 2 3 3, AND GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN US 180 3 AND 180 3 TOLL ROAD TO THE SOUTH OF CR 2 76 LEANDER WHENCE COUNTY, TEXAS.

OH, THE COMMISSION MICHAEL PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UM, I DID WANT TO CORRECT A TYPO AT THE BEGINNING.

UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A GC THREE C OR THREE A I'M SORRY.

UM, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FORESEE AND THEY HAVE SINCE CHANGED THAT.

UM, SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

BOOKING DOES REQUESTING TO CHANGE THEIR DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL OFFICE HOTEL AND RETAIL SPACE.

SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OR JUST SOUTH THE INTERSECTION OF US 180 3 AND 180 3, A TOLL ROAD, SO THAT, UH, THE ROADS INTERSECT RIGHT UP HERE.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS ALSO, UH, ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD AND EXISTING INDUSTRIAL, UH, AND WITH THE ST DAVID'S DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH, THE PROPERTY DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY SIGNIFICANT ELEVATION CHANGES OR TREE COVER.

AND, UH, ANY DEVELOPMENT ALONG US, 180 3 OR 180 3 A WILL REQUIRE A 10 FOOT PEDESTRIAN TRAIL ALONG THE FRONT EDGE.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT, BUT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, UTILITIES.

SO THIS, WE HELD A DEVELOPMENT MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT IN OCTOBER OF 26, OCTOBER 26TH, 2020, UH, SINCE THEN, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM WHAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

AND THERE WERE NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET TO GET A PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THIS ZONING CHANGE.

WE DID IT STILL MAIL OUT TO THE 200 FOOT, UH, TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEY STILL RECEIVED THE, UH, PUBLIC NOTICE SIGNS AND, UM, NEWSPAPER NOTICE.

SO THIS MINOR, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH THE BASE ZONING OF , UH, IT DOES INCLUDE A FEW PROHIBITED USES TO THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, SO THOSE, UH, USES INCLUDE EQUIPMENT IN FURNITURE, SALES, UH, FUNERAL HOMES, MANUFACTURED HOUSING, UH, AS WELL AS OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPACE TO NAME A FEW, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT? WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE NOW? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION, START WITH COMMISSIONER MEHAN MR. SOUTH CEDAR.

WE KNOW WHAT THEY PLAN TO PUT THERE.

I MEAN, YOU KIND OF GLOSSED OVER IT A BIT.

I KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS, BUT SURE.

UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE KNOW EXACTLY, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE A LETTER IN 10 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THERE.

SO THE LETTER OF INTENT SHOULD BE THE LAST PAGE JUST ABOUT IF YOU CAN FIND, UM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY COMMERCIAL.

THEY HAD MENTIONED HOTEL AND OFFICE SPACE AND, BUT NO LIKE OVERHEAD DOOR STYLE WAREHOUSES UNDER THAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.

THANKS.

I'M GOOD FOR RIGHT NOW, MR. HAMPTON.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW IN THERE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IF IT WAS FOR ZERO TO 30% RESIDENTIAL, THERE WOULD THIS ALLOW ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT OTHER THAN THE HOTEL? SO THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, I D I DO YOU BELIEVE ALLOWS FOR SOME RESIDENTIAL, UM, BUT THEY WEREN'T PROPOSING ANY.

THE HEAVEN AT GABRIEL MINOR PUD WITH A BASE ZONING OF LLC TO A, ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.99, FIVE ACRES IN SIZE AND JOANIE LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND EAST OF BAGHDAD ROAD, LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION COMMISSION, JUSTIN HUNT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STYLES, ALL IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-016 to amend the current zoning of SFU-2-B (Single-Family Urban) and LC-2-B (Local Commercial) to create the Haven at San Gabriel Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with base zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 4.995 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R501146; and generally located north of San Gabriel Pkwy and east of Bagdad Rd, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-016 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM.

NUMBER 11, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z ZERO 16, TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF S F TWO DASH B AND L C TWO DASH B TO CREATE

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THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO OPERATE A 65,000 SQUARE FOOT ASSISTED LIVING CENTER WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING, THIS USE WOULD BE LIMITED TO AN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY IN THE SOUTH OF GLEN HIGH SCHOOL, EAST OF BAGHDAD ROAD IN WEST OF SAVANNAH RANCH, SUBDIVISION.

THIS PROPERTY CONTAINS A FEW TREES SCATTERED ON THE SITE, BUT NO OTHER DISTINGUISHING PHYSICAL OR NATURAL FEATURES.

THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

UM, THE SITE WILL ALSO HAVE ACCESS ONTO SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND BAGHDAD ROAD.

A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON MARCH 1ST, 2021.

THE FOLLOWING CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT.

UH, THEY PROPOSED A PUD INITIALLY AND, UH, WAS UPDATED TO A MINOR PUD.

IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICE MILLET ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, THE AGENT REACHED OUT VIA PHONE CALLS TO BENBROOK RANCH, HOA, SAVANNAH RANCH, HOA, AND LEANDER, AND EMAILED LEANDER ISD PER THE AGENT.

NO FEEDBACK HAS BEEN RECEIVED FROM THOSE ENTITIES THAT WERE CONTACTED.

THIS REQUEST IS PROPOSING A MINOR PUTT IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THE, OF AN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER WITH A BASE ZONING OF LC DASH TO A LOCAL COMMERCIAL.

THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY ALLOWABLE USE PER THE MINOR PUD.

THIS SITE HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND BAGHDAD ROAD.

THIS MINOR PUT INCLUDES A WAIVER TO ALLOW AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE THE GC GENERAL PROMOTE A COMMERCIAL USE COMPONENT.

THIS IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS CASE, AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, THE APPLICANT I BELIEVE IS HERE AS WELL, AND THEY HAVE PRESENTATION .

SO MY NAME IS DOUG MARTINI.

I'M ONE OF THE PARTNERS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT AND TO MAKE SURE I CAN GET THIS, UM, I WANT TO MAKE ONE CORRECTION.

OUR PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 4.9 ACRES.

OUR PROPERTY WAS THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

IT WILL NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO BAGHDAD ROAD.

SO WE'RE JUST TAKING THE CORNER THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

UM, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO BRING UP AS A PARTNERSHIP IS WE'VE BEEN IN LEANDER, LOOKING AT PROPERTIES FOR THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

WE DO, UM, THIS IS OUR THIRD SENIOR LIVING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE DONE.

AND WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT A BUILD AND FLIP CLIENT.

WE WANT TO BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE BUILT ONE IN DEER PARK, TEXAS, AND IN COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS.

AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WANT TO BE NESTLED IN WITH THE RESIDENTS.

WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S OUR STYLE, THAT'S OUR BUSINESS.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE.

AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE, THIS IS NOT A STATE RUN FACILITY.

IT IS PRIVATE PAY ONLY.

AND, AND THE LOOK OF OUR BUILDING, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING A COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

THE LI THE USE WILL BE LIMITED TO ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE.

UM, OUR TENANTS TYPICALLY DO NOT DRIVE.

WE HAVE EXTREMELY FEW IF ANY DRIVERS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF OUR TENANTS.

AND SO THE ONLY TRAFFIC IMPACT IS GOING TO BE THE EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 10 TO 20 MAXIMUM AT A TIME, WE WILL HAVE ONE.

SO THIS IS A, AN OVERALL SITE PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE, THIS IS THE ONLY ENTRANCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON SAN GABRIEL.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TWO ENTRANCES.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT.

WE ACTUALLY REVISE THAT TO TRY TO GO FROM TWO INTERESTS.

IT'S TWO ENTRANCES TO ONE INSURANCE.

DO YOU MINIMIZE THE TRACK OF TRAFFIC

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IMPACT ON SAN GABRIEL? NO.

WE WILL HAVE DECORATIVE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER.

UM, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS, YOU KNOW, OUR USE IS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT YOUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE.

IT'S A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

UM, AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, MY GOV, THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THE ELEVATIONS, WHICH ALL SHOW, WHICH ALSO MATCH THE RENDERING THAT WE'VE PROVIDED.

SO YEAH, I'M DOING BILLY JOHNSON.

SO I'M BILLY JOHNSON, DOUG'S PARTNER, UH, IN THE PROJECT AND, UH, AS WELL AS I'M AN ARCHITECT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT ON THIS FACILITY.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO IS NESSEL OUR BUILDINGS IN AMONGST COMMUNITIES SO THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT SOME SORT OF FOREIGN OBJECT IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, WE ACTUALLY WENT AROUND AND LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SAW WHAT THE MATERIALS WERE BEING USED.

OUR ARCHITECT IS FROM HERE, HERE.

HIS NAME IS, WILL DAVIES.

HE'S LITERALLY JUST RIGHT BEHIND YOU GUYS.

SO WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS BUILDING, WE REALLY PAID ATTENTION TO A LOT OF THE FACILITIES THAT WERE ADJACENT TO THIS, WHERE WE WERE GOING TO GO.

AND WE TRIED TO MAKE IT NESTLED IN.

WE REALLY TRY TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR FACILITIES, WHERE OUR RESIDENTS FEEL CONNECTED WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOORS.

SO WE HAVE INTERNAL COURTYARDS.

WE SPEND, UH, A HEAVY AMOUNT OF OUR BUDGET ON COURTYARDS, ON LANDSCAPING, ON VEGETATION, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO HEALING THIRSTY, AND THOSE ARE MEANT TO BE ACTIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY COURTYARDS.

SO THE PEAK TO BE USED BY THE RESIDENCE.

CORRECT.

SO OUR WHOLE APPROACH IS, UH, IT'S MORE OF A CAMPUS.

AND, UM, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 70 BEDS, 20 OF WHICH IS FOR MEMORY CARE RESIDENTS AND 50 OF WHICH WILL BE FOR ASSISTED LIVING AND, UM, TOTAL OF 69 PARKING PLACES ON THE FACILITY.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP THAT, UM, THE WAY THIS FACILITY IS DESIGNED IS TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FIT IN WITH THE AGE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, MY NAME IS KEVIN LOVE AND I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

AND I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF, COULD YOU BRING UP THE CURRENT ZONING MAP FOR US TO LOOK AT, ACTUALLY HAVE IT RIGHT HERE? IF YOU CAN, WE'VE GOT IT TOO.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT WITH YOU.

WE HAVE IT AS WELL, SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT WITH YOU.

EXCUSE ME.

SO Y'ALL HAVE IN THE CURRENT ZONING MAP, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR SITE IS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN A PORTION OF IT AT THE REAR.

UM, I, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HIGH SCHOOL CAME IN AND PURCHASED, YOU KNOW, THEIR LANDER INDEPENDENT EYE ISD, THERE WAS THAT STRIP LEFT.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S MORE OF A CLEANING UP TYPE ZONING IF YOU WILL.

SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

THEY COULDN'T COME TO HER, NOT TWO STORY.

AT THIS POINT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, IF YOU DID WANT TO SPEAK UP, UH, YOU WILL NEED TO FILL OUT A CAR AND WE CAN LET YOU SPEAK KILLED OFF FOR THREE MINUTES.

DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE OF HIM? IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT, DID YOU CAN COME UP, GO AHEAD AND COME UP AND SPEAK, AND THEN JUST FILL OUT THE CARD THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE LOBBY AND HANDED I'M HEATHER DIXON.

I'M ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT BACKS TO THIS PROPERTY HERE OF THE SEVEN THAT WERE NOTIFIED AGAINST THE, I GUESS IT'D BE THE CUL-DE-SAC.

AND THEN THE SEVEN HOUSES THAT WERE NOTIFIED.

AND I, UM, AM VERY THRILLED THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING AN ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITY, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE OTHER WAS.

IT WAS A TWO-STORY SOMETHING GROCERY STORE.

AND WE WERE THINKING EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE LOOKING IN OUR BACKYARD.

SO THIS IS REALLY A BLESSING FOR ALL OF MY WORK.

ACTUALLY, I WENT AND I TALKED TO ALL MY NEIGHBORS THAT GOT THE MAIL.

AND SO I'M KIND OF HERE TO REPRESENT THEM ALL.

CAUSE THEY HAVE LITTLE GUYS HAVE LITTLE KIDS, SO

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AND TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS, WE'VE ACTUALLY ADJUSTED SOME OF OUR PROTOTYPES SO THAT WE'RE NOT TWO STORY NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL SO THAT WE'RE NOT PEERING INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS.

AND, UM, THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WE GOT EARLY ON, ON ANOTHER PROJECT.

AND SO WE'VE, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A SINGLE STORY, MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL LOOK, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE OUR DESIRE IS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

SO THANK YOU.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU GO OUT INTO THE LOBBY, GIVE THEM THOSE CARDS AND FILL IT OUT AND HAND IT IN.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

SO AT THIS POINT WE WILL MOVE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER HINES.

I HAVE NOTHING COMMISSIONER STYLES.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE PRIMARILY ASSISTED LIVING.

IS THAT CORRECT? DID YOU SAY 50 BEDS WOULD BE ASSISTED LIVING IN 20 BEDS WOULD BE MEMORY CARE? YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

DO Y'ALL HAVE TRANSPORTATION FOR THE, UH, PEOPLE THERE SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE LIBRARY AND YES, SIR.

YES.

PART OF OUR OPERATION STAFF, UM, PART OF OUR OPERATING STAFF, WE WILL HAVE A VAN THAT DOES ADVENTURES SHOPPING TRIPS AND TAKES THEM ON EXCURSIONS.

SO THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR, PART OF OUR PROGRAM.

ARE MOST OF YOUR OPERATIONS IN OTHER CITIES FAIRLY SIMILAR? YES.

COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF IT? UH, HUMOR ME A LITTLE BIT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU DO OFFER.

SO IT'S A IT'S UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A THIRD-PARTY OPERATOR.

SO I'M PERSONALLY NOT THE OPERATOR, BUT OPERATOR IS A THIRD PARTNER OF OURS.

AND SO HE HAS A PARTNER IN THE PROJECT AND HE ALSO HAS THE OPERATING COMPANY, BUT THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE GOING TO OFFER ARE GONNA VARY BASED ON, UH, BASED ON THE CARE NEEDS OF THAT RESIDENT.

YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT OFFER MEDICAL.

THIS IS NOT A REHAB FACILITY OR A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, TYPICALLY IN OUR FACILITIES AND WE'RE STILL GOING INTO THE DETAILS.

WE'RE STILL, HAVEN'T NAMED THERE'S.

WE HAVE POCKETS OF AREAS WITHIN THE BUILDING.

USUALLY WE HAVE, UM, LIKE A MEN'S SOCIAL AREA, A WOMEN'S SOCIAL AREA WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A LIBRARY AND DO KNITTING.

UH, WE HAVE A THEATER, WE HAVE A SALON WHERE WE WILL BRING IN A THIRD-PARTY SALON COMPANY AND THEY WILL OFFER THE SALON SERVICES AND NAIL SERVICES.

UM, LET'S SAY THIS FACILITY HAS A SPA WHEN WE'LL HAVE A SPA.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, UM, BRING THE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ROOMS, UH, OUR RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SIT IN THE ROOM, ESPECIALLY FROM COVID, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED SOCIALIZATION.

AND SO, UH, YOU HEARD MY PARTNER TALK ABOUT THE COURTYARDS.

UH, WE BUILT A SIMILAR FACILITY IN COLLEGE STATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT.

UM, YEAH.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE PROVIDE IS TO GET THEM OUT OF THE ROOMS AND WE ACTUALLY CREATE ROOM, UH, EXTERIOR SPACES, LIKE WITH THESE LARGE GLASS OVERHEAD DOORS.

SO YOU CAN OPEN THEM UP AND NOW YOU'RE OUTSIDE THERE.

THEY CAN DO PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES OUT THERE.

THEY'LL HAVE SOCIAL EVENTS, THEY'LL HAVE WINE MIXERS IN THESE BIG SPACES, BUT THEY HAVE LARGE GRAPH GLASS DOORS THAT OPEN UP ONTO THE COURTYARDS.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN IS WHAT I NEED.

SO IT'S, IT'S THE TOP OF IT.

AND TOP BUTTON, RIGHT? OH, I WENT BACK ONE MORE.

EXCUSE ME.

SO THIS WAS THIS AREA RIGHT THERE.

THESE ARE TWO BIG ARBORS ON BOTH SIDES.

AND THAT WHOLE AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS ONE GREAT BIG LIKE PAVILION AND IT'S GOT GLASS DOORS.

SO THE IDEA IS WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE ONE DINING ROOM.

WE'VE WE'VE CREATED MULTIPLE DINING FACILITIES IN PLACE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE TRADITIONAL CAFETERIA.

THIS COMES FROM A EUROPEAN MODEL OF, OF, UH, CARING FOR RESIDENTS.

AND SO THIS OPERATOR IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT EUROPEAN MODEL.

AND SO IN LIEU OF HAVING LIKE ONE SINGLE CAFETERIA AREA, WE HAVE THEM SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY.

SO YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE DINING FACILITIES, SO THAT'S GET THEM OUT, GET THEM LET'S LET'S HAVE ACTIVITIES, GET THEM WALKING IN THE COURTYARDS AND CONNECT THEM WITH THE EXTERIOR ENVIRONMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A APPROXIMATELY, DID YOU SAY 60 IT'S, 50,000 SQUARE FEET, TOTAL 53,000 SQUARE FEET AIR CONDITIONED.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE PUT ON ABOUT APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES, 4.99.

YES.

ABOUT ALLOWING THAT OR IS THAT, DID I MISREAD? NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SAW THEN.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.

I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST WAREHOUSING THEM AND PUT THEM IN A PLACE WHERE THEY'LL NEVER BE SEEN.

AGAIN, MY CONCERN WAS THEIR ACCESS TO THE LIBRARIES, TO THE HEB AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE STORY-BUILDING.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU ALL FOR EXPLAINING THAT FOR ME, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE, UH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THAT CAME UP AS A RESULT OF THIS.

COULD I ASK THAT VERY QUICKLY? UM, MRS. GRIFFIN OR PERHAPS MR. HUNT, I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD BE BEST TO ASK ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT, UH, IN THE POD THERE WAS LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN INTO IT ABOUT THE OVERHEAD DOORS.

WAS THERE NOT

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WAS IT THE LAST WEEK THAT ONE HAD IT ON THERE? I WAS GOING TO BE ANNOYED BY THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVAL IF IT'S FULLY INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING, BUT, OKAY, GREAT.

GREAT, GREAT.

NICE TO HEAR BOTH OF US.

WHAT'S THAT SCARED ALL OF US? OH NO, NO, NO, NO.

I WOULD HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED IF IT WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE A VARIANCE OF SOME KIND.

I WAS JUST INTERESTED.

THE OVERHEAD DOORS WERE IN THE COURTYARDS.

NO, OF COURSE NOT, NOT THAT I WOULD HAVE ANY PROBLEM SEEING IT FROM THE OUTSIDE.

I WAS CONCERNED THAT WE WERE FORCING YOU TO GET SOME SPECIAL APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING, WHICH IF IT'S INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE TO THE CITY? SO UNRELATED.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE MR. HAMPTON, WHENEVER YOU GUYS REACHED OUT TO, UH, WE UNDER EYES, THE DIGITAL REACH OUT TO TOM GLENN HIGH SCHOOL, OR WAS IT SOMEONE IN AND RSC SPECIFICALLY? KEVIN? SO I SPOKE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF, WELL, THE ASSISTANT TO THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AND I DID NOT BRING HER NAME.

UM, I ASKED THEM IF THEY HAD ANY COMMENTS AND THEY SAID THAT IF THEY DID ANY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, THEY WOULD GET DEAL WITH DIRECTLY WITH IT STAFF.

SO WE DO SEND A NOTICE TO JIMMY DOES DESLER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THESE ARE OUR MAIN CONTACT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE.

OKAY, COOL.

YEAH, HE'S SHOWN UP TOO BEFORE WHEN HE DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING.

SO IF THEY HAD A PROBLEM, THEY'D BE HERE.

PERFECT.

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.

UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE LAND, I KNOW YOU GOT TO DO IS OPERATING ON THAT ONE LAND WHO OWNS THE REST OF IT.

SOUNDBITE JOHN LLOYD IS JUST A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MR. GUISBOROUGH QUESTION FOR STAFF.

ARE WE GOOD WITH ONLY HAVING ONE ENTRANCE TO, TO THIS IS FIRE WAS GOOD WITH THIS.

EVERYBODY WAS COOL FROM HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.

YES.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION.

WHY DID WE NOT ASK THE APPLICANT TO NOTIFY 500 FEET? UH, W WE DID.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.

SO DURING THAT TIME, AND HE WAS ONLY 200 FEET FOOT NOTIFICATION BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THE 500, I DIDN'T SEE ANY RESPONSE IN THE PACKET.

THERE WAS NO RESPONSE.

GIVEN THE ONLY RESPONSE THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE APPLICANT WAS WHAT WAS IN MY PRESENTATION, WHICH THEY CALLED OUT TO THE HOA OF SAVANNAH RANCH AND BENBROOK.

AND ALSO THEY, UH, REACHED OUT TO THE LSD.

WHO DID, WHO DID YOU GUYS REACH OUT TO AT BENBROOK? DO YOU REMEMBER? BENBROOK IS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.

I LIVED THERE.

AND THEN GALLEY, YOU HAD TO ASK ME, CAUSE I DIDN'T BRING ANY OF THAT CORRESPONDENCE, BUT I HAD WRITTEN, IT WAS, I GOT A HOLD OF, UH, THE LADY CURRENTLY.

THERE'S GINA PRESIDENT.

WAS IT GINA? I BELIEVE SO.

IT'S ONLY APPLICATION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT MY PI PROVIDED ALL THE CONTACT DETAILS, BUT DID YOU GUYS REACH OUT AT 500 FEET? UH, SO ALL THE RESIDENTS 500 FEET.

YEAH, WE DID.

SO WE'VE, UH, WHILE ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, I BELIEVE LIKE ACROSS THE STREET WHERE YOU'RE LIVE, WHERE YEAH.

OH, SAVANNAH FIVE.

I SEE THE 200 FOOT, UM, MARKER IN MY PACKET.

I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY INDICATION THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING, 500 FEET OUT.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

DO WE REACH OUT TO THE CITIZENS 500 FEET OR DO WE REACH OUT TO THE HOA? SO THE, THE CITY SENDS NOTICES TO EVERYONE WITHIN 200 AND THEN THE APPLICANTS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTACTING EVERYONE WITHIN 500, INCLUDING HOS.

SO IT'S IT'S RESIDENTS PLUS HOA.

SO DID ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS 500 FEET OUT? YOU GET A LETTER? NO, THEY DID NOT.

NOT FOR ME.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT.

I MEAN, LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

I, I THINK, I MEAN, I, UH, ASSISTED LIVING IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT, UM, AND, AND PRIVATE PAYERS ARE REALLY COMPETITIVE AND YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A NICE PROJECT TOGETHER.

I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE.

HOWEVER, I THINK RESIDENTS IMPACTED BY YOUR DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD HERE.

AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ON IT.

SHOULDN'T BE ON THEIR HOA PRESIDENT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR PEOPLE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RIGHT? IT, IT, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS, BUT I THINK IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY BACKYARD.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S A BIG MESS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

THAT'S GOOD COMMISSIONER, MAN.

THAT'S FINE.

AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COSTCO ON THIS.

I MEAN, COMMISSIONER STYLES HAS BEEN KIND OF PUSHING THIS

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LATELY ABOUT WHAT'S THE IMPACT WHEN PROPER NOTIFICATION ISN'T GIVEN.

UM, AND SO THERE'S SOME PROCESSES.

I THINK THAT WE, AS A COMMISSION, WE AS A CITY NEED TO WORK ON TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

I DO HAVE ONE WHEN JUST CLARIFICATION FOR ME, MS. GRIFFIN IS THE, THE NOTIFICATION BOUNDARIES.

IS THAT FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, FROM THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, OKAY, THANKS.

BY THE WAY I LIKED THE PROJECT I'M WITH COMMISSIONER COSPER FOR, I LIKE THE PROJECT.

I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO ADD.

EVERYBODY STOLE MY QUESTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, I THINK WE CAN COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, THE CLOCK IS STILL GOOD, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU GO BACK AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GO BACK AND NOTIFY THOSE RESIDENTS AND COME ON BACK, UM, IT DOES INTERFERE WITH YOUR TIME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR TIMEFRAME.

SO IF YOU'RE WILLING, UM, I WOULD SURE THINK THAT WOULD BE A, UM, NOT ONLY FOR, FOR WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A SOLID GESTURE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY THE NEIGHBORS.

SO YOU'RE, SO YOU WERE, I WANT A LETTER AND I GUESS ROBIN WILL COORDINATE WITH YOU GUYS, BUT YOU WANT A SPECIFIC LETTER TO EACH RESIDENT WITHIN 500.

I KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE STANDARD NOTIFICATION WITH THAT WE NOTIFY EACH RESIDENT WITHIN, WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE EDGE OF THAT INFORMING OF THE CHANGES, ZONING PLUS A DESCRIPTION OF THE PRODUCT.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

I THINK THAT'D BE AMAZING.

I THINK, I THINK THAT'D BE AMAZING.

IN ONE OF THE BIG THINGS, WHY WE'VE INSTITUTED THIS, UM, AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS IS A VERY GOOD THING.

AND WHEN THEY GET THE INFORMATION FROM YOU, THEY DON'T, I HAVE SEEN, UM, CRAZY STORIES AND MISINFORMATION THAT GETS OUT THERE WHEN THEY THINK EVERYTHING SAID, AND THIS IS WHY WE INSTITUTED THOSE RULES.

IT'S NOT, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET IT OUT TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.

BUT, UH, THE MORE INFORMATION YOU GIVE THEM, THE, AND, AND WITH THIS PROJECT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD OBJECT TO IT.

BUT, UH, NO, MY, MY DOING SOME VERY, VERY BASIC STUFF HERE ON THE DOCUMENT.

I'M GUESSING IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, OR 15, DEPENDING ON WHETHER NOT OUR 51, 8, 5, 23 ALREADY GOT AN APPLICATION.

SO IT'S NOT A GIGANTIC NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

UM, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THOUGH, I HAVE TO ADMIT I'M, I DON'T THINK I REALIZED UNTIL THIS MOMENT, HOW LITTLE I UNDERSTOOD THE WAY THAT OUR NOTIFICATION BOUNDARIES WERE SET UP, BECAUSE, UH, WHAT DR.

STYLES SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT TO BE THE CASE THAT THE CITY CHARGES EFFECTIVELY THE APPLICANT, SO THAT THE CITY SENDS OUT TO MAIL TO EVERYONE CERTIFIED OR NOT, NO, NOT CERTIFIED, BUT SENDS OUT MAIL TO EVERYONE WITHIN THE 200 OR 250 FOOT, WHATEVER THE BOUNDARY AS WE GET ON THE MAP.

AND THEN IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTACT ANY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE OUTSIDE BORDER.

SO IF, WHAT, WHAT NOW IT'S THE HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO IT'S THE ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS EVERY PROPERTY WITHIN 500 FEET.

AND SO, UM, OKAY.

AND HOMEOWNER PLUS YEAH, WE DID THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SO EFFECTIVELY THE PROCESS THEN IS THAT THEY PAY THE CITY X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO MAIL OUTS INSIDE 250, AND THEN IT'S ON THEM TO DO EVERYBODY ELSE SEPARATE FROM THAT.

WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST EXTEND THE BOUNDARY TO 500 AND CHARGE THEM? AND WE TAKE CARE OF IT ALL AT ONCE.

SO THE, THE IDEA WAS THEY WOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, THE HOPE WAS IT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE THIS MEETING.

SO TWO WEEKS BEFORE THAT, SO IT WAS KIND OF IN ADVANCE OF OUR NOTICE THAT GOES OUT.

AND JUST ONE TINY BIT MORE OF CLARIFICATION.

IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE SAVANNAH RANCH, RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS NEW NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY ARE MEMBERS OF THE HOA.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO MANUALLY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, REACH OUT TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, INCLUDING INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, INSIDE AN HOA.

AND THEY REACH OUT TO THE HEAD OF THE HOA OR WHATEVER, BOTH OF THEM.

AND THEY DO THAT INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE THIS MEETING.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

ALL RIGHT.

JUST SO I'M ON THE SAME PAGE GOING FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, JUST CAME REALLY JUST TO, UM, JUST FOR PERSONAL CURIOSITY, BUT I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, ASKING TO, UH, HAVE THE H INCLUDED IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

IF YOU DON'T STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS DOWN LATER, RIGHT.

UH, BILL TURNER, I'M WITH OAK CREEK HOA,

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UH, WE HAVE OUR WASTE TO DO SURVEYS WITHIN, WITHIN THE ASSOCIATION, AS LONG AS YOU CONTACT THE BOARD, BUT I REALLY THANK YOU THAT ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP DOING THAT.

SO YOU GET A STEP AHEAD OF ANY COMPLAINTS THAT COULD HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S MY COMMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING ME.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE, THESE NOTIFICATIONS, IT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT IN 500 FEET ARE CONTACTED BY MAIL.

CORRECT.

DID THEY JUST HAVE TO BE CONTACTED? SO WE DON'T REQUIRE A LETTER.

WE ENCOURAGE A MEETING.

UM, THIS HAPPENED AND THEN WE HAD COVID SO IT BECAME MORE LETTERS AND MORE ZOOM MEETINGS.

SO WE'VE KIND OF HAD A SHIFT.

UM, BUT YEAH, EITHER ONE WORKS.

UH, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT.

SO THE BING BENBROOK RANCH, HOA CARMEN GLASS SINGER WAS CONTACTED.

UH, KEVIN LOVE LEFT A MESSAGE WITH CARMEN 5, 5 21, SAVANNAH RANCH.

SHE'S THE PROPERTY MANAGER, TOM SACHS.

UM, SO SHE SENT IT TO THE HOA PRESIDENT.

AND THEN FOR SAVANNAH RANCH, PANCO SEVEN, UH, 7 33 HERITAGE GROVE ROAD, LANDER, KEVIN LEFT A VOICE MESSAGE, 5, 5 21 IN THE GENERAL MAILBOX.

AND THEN JIMMY WAS ALSO CONTACTED AND WE REQUESTED LETTERS.

SO THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM I'D LIKE TO IT'S THE MATH IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

IF I MAY, I JUST HAVE, I CAN TELL YOU THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART.

IT'S OUR FAULT.

AND SO WE WILL DO WHAT'S REQUIRED BY NO MEANS, DO WE WANT TO CIRCUMVENT THE PROCESS BY NO MEANS, DO WE NOT WANT THE CITIZENS TO DO THAT? SO WE WILL DO.

WHAT'S REQUIRED.

WE'LL GO DOOR TO DOOR FOR, TO, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET WITH CITIZENS.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE AT THE OUTSET, WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

THE LAST THING WE NEED IS FOR RESIDENTS, UM, NOT TO, UH, TO HAVE A FEELING TOWARDS OUR USE OR TOWARDS US PERSONALLY, UH, FOR THAT MATTER.

SO WHATEVER'S REQUIRED.

WE'LL DO IT.

UM, WE'LL LIKE, IT MAY EVEN BE EASIER TO GO HAND DOOR TO DOOR AND PUT FLYERS ON DOORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WE'LL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.

SO I THINK WE'RE ONLY TALKING TO PROBABLY 14.

I THINK IT'S ALMOST EASIER IF WE JUST COME UP HERE ONE AFTERNOON AND GO KNOCK ON DOORS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S APPROVED, YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONE AND SAY, HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING AGAIN? BUT HE'S GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR PROJECT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WHEN NOTHING HAPPENS AND THEN IT GOES IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AND A FEW NEIGHBORS THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT, COME UP WITH ALL THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THEN YOU HAVE 500 PEOPLE SHOW UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND HAVE ALL SURE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE YOU A BUNCH OF TIMES AND I'VE DONE THIS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED OR THROUGHOUT TEXAS, FOR SURE.

SO WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

WE'VE EXPERIENCED THIS.

SO THIS IS, AS I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THE CITIZENS HAPPY AND MAKE THE GUYS, THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONCERN OF OURS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

MY CONCERN IS THIS IS NOT GOING TO UNDULY BURDEN.

YOU ALL, IS IT BECAUSE THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 14 PEOPLE AND WE HAVE CERTAINLY APPROVED STUFF WITH A LOT LESS NOTIFICATION THAN THIS.

THIS IS KIND OF ON US A LOT, THAT WE'RE STILL FUMBLING WITH TRYING TO GET THIS THING THROUGH AND WE HATE TO SEE Y'ALL GET SNAPPED ON.

WELL, I THINK THE IMPORTANT DATES FOR US, I THINK IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE APPROVAL TONIGHT, UM, I THINK THE 15TH OF JULY IS THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

UM, SO WE ARE READY TO, YOU KNOW, OUR TIMELINE IS THIS IS OUR CRITICAL PATH TIMELINE.

UM, FOR US GETTING STARTED, WE'RE OUR FINANCING IS THERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

UM, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL OF COURSE WE GET THIS APPROVAL AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, I MEAN, FRANKLY, I'LL COME UP TOMORROW AFTERNOON AND, AND WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CAN PUSH IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND STILL KEEP IT ON THAT, ON THAT.

THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

WELL, WE'LL GET YOU TO THE COUNCIL ON THE 15TH, AS LONG AS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE UP HERE THAT JUST PURPOSELY DID NOT DO THESE THINGS.

SO I HATE TO SEE Y'ALL GETTING BIT IN THE REAR END FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S SINS.

WE'VE NOTICED SEPTEMBER 1ST BREAK GROUND.

SO YEAH.

THAT'S CRITICAL.

WE WOULD LIKE TO.

YEAH, I, I GET THAT TOO.

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I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL, DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED TIME FOR US TO DO STUFF, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THIS ISN'T AN ACCIDENT AND IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION, YOU HAVE TO ADMIT ME.

SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE, UM, ACTION ON THIS ITEM TO JULY 8TH AND THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE EIGHTH, THE APPLICANT NOTIFIES ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN 500 FEET.

I'LL SECOND.

THAT MOTION LET'S WAIT ON CHEMISTRY.

UNDER ITEM 12, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 T O D Z Z ZERO 19.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE SETBACK COMMISSIONER MADE TO POSTPONE ACTION FOR, UNTIL THE JULY 8TH MEETING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, WE'LL SEE ON JULY 8TH AND WE SHOULD GET TAKEN CARE OF.

IT WAS

[12. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-019 to amend the current zoning of Conventional Development Sector within the PUD/TOD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development) to create the RM 2243 Retail Center Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with base zoning of GC-3-A (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 4.03 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031255; and more commonly known as 9800 RM 2243, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-019 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR THAN THE P O D T O D TO CREATE THE RM 2243 RETAILS CENTER, MINOR PUD WITH A BASE ZONING OF ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.03 ACRES IN SIZE AND MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 9,800 RM 2243 LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER JUSTIN HUNT.

THIS IS A FIRST STEP OF THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY TO GC DASH THREE DASH A IN ORDER TO BROADEN THE TYPE OF RETAIL CONSTRUCTION THAT CAN, CAN OCCUR ON THE SITE.

THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEVELOP A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE, RESTAURANT, AND RETAIL SPACE.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF RM 2243 IN SOUTH OF UNDEVELOPED LAND LOCATED IN THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR.

EAST OF THIS SITE IS UNDEVELOPED LAND LOCATED IN THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR IN WEST OF THIS SITE IS THE 180 3, A TOLL ROAD.

THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOCATED ON THE SITE.

THERE ARE NO TREES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS A PARTS INSTILL FABRICATION BUSINESS WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE, WHICH WAS APPROVED UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT 18 UM, FOR THIS USE UNTIL 2028.

UH, THIS SITE HAS ACCESS ONTO 180 3 TOLL ROAD AND RM 2243.

A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON APRIL 12TH, 2021.

AND THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS A PUD, BUT WAS UPDATED TO A MINOR PUTTED NOTICES WERE MAILED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AND NO NEIGHBORHOODS OR SINGLE FAMILIES OWNED PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BOUNDARY.

SO THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION WAS NOT NEEDED.

AND THIS MINOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SMALL AND LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL RETAIL SERVICES USES LOCATED IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.

UH, THE MINOR PUD DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY WAIVERS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO BE REMOVED OUT OF THE SMART CODE TO ESTABLISH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT FROM OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.

THIS REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND NO WAIVERS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FOR THIS MINOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS CASE, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THINK YOU DID WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? NO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE AVAILABLE, BUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE OR IN PERSON, BUT SURE.

UM, SO, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF IT? IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER, MAN.

UM, NOTHING FOR ME, MR. CARLOS GROWTH QUESTION FOR MR. HUNT.

DID I, DID I SEE IN MY PACKET THAT, UM, IT SAYS THEY HAVE A CUT ONTO THE FRONT OF THE ROAD OF 180 3 DAYS.

THEY, THEY OWN, I BELIEVE THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

WHICH ONE DO YOU KNOW? IT'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE, THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE YOU BIT RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S I THOUGHT THEY HAD AN EASEMENT.

IF APPROVED BY CCR AMERICA, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL.

UM, OKAY.

SO I THINK THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT I THINK THEY HAD AN EASEMENT WHERE THEY COULD GET A CONNECTION TO WHAT I NEED THREE A IF APPROVED BY NO POSSIBLE CONNECTION.

SORRY.

APOLOGIES ON THAT.

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SO, SO THEN MY QUESTION IS WHERE YOU APPROVED THIS MINOR PUD AND CTRI MA DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE ACCESS.

THE ONLY ACCESS HE DOESN'T HAVE IS OFF OF 2243, CORRECT? CORRECT.

I GOT TO CHEW ON THAT FOR A MINUTE.

SHERIFF, HE COME BACK TO ME.

COMMISSIONER ANTHEM ON THE PACKET.

I SAID, DESIRED MIX 40 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL, ZERO TO 6%.

NON-RESIDENTIAL ON A TOUCH ON PAGE SIX.

IS THAT THERE IS A REQUEST OR HOW DO I READ THAT AT SOME OF THE PAGES? RIGHT? THAT'S FROM THE CONFERENCE OF PLANS.

THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE URBAN MIXED USE, UH, DESIRED MIX OF THE 40 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL, ZERO TO 60% NON-RESIDENTIAL AND SUPPORTING THE SFT SINGLE FAMILY, TOWNHOME COTTAGE HOUSING, UM, MULTI-FAMILY LOCAL OFFICE, LOCAL COMMERCIAL GC PUD IN TRANSECTS OF T 45.

I'M GOOD FOR NOW.

COME SHOW YOUR SPOUSE.

THERE IS A PROPERTY, THERE IS A BUILDING OWNER.

IS THERE A BUSINESS ON THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY OPERATING? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S, I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE SO.

I MEAN, THE STORAGE IS DEFINITELY STILL THERE, BUT, UM, IT IS A SPECIAL USE OF A, UH, PRE YES, I THINK SCOTT INGRAM, SCOTT INGRAM, AND HE WAS USING IT, THE BUILDING FOR PERSONAL USE FOR, UM, HE WAS REFURBISHING OLD CARS AND THEN HE ALSO HAD A LAY DOWN YARD, UM, FOR MATERIALS, BUT I THINK HE'S LOOKING TO SELL IT FOR RETAIL.

AND HE WANTS TO BE RELEASED FROM THE SMART CODE AS WELL.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR OF THE TOD.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SMART CODE.

THEY CAN SELECT A BASE ZONING DISTRICT FROM THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING BOTTLING A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HINES.

UM, AS I'M STILL CONTINUING TO SORT OF GET MYSELF AROUND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS I'M, I HAVE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT URBAN MIXED USE AND HOW IT SORT OF APPLIES ON THIS.

SO, I MEAN, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, UH, THERE'S A SECTION THERE CALLED LIKE CODE ASSESSMENT CONSIDERATIONS OR SOMETHING, AND IT'S SPECIFIC, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE, AS WE GO THROUGH AND ADAPT THE CODE.

WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE STUFF IN THERE BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA THAT WAS DESIGNATED BY, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SIGNED OFF ON HERE JUST RECENTLY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT SAYS THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THIS AREA IS MAINTAINING URBAN STREETSCAPES.

AND I MEAN, IF WE APPROVE THIS POD, SO THAT IT'S EFFECTIVELY JUST A GC ZONING DISTRICT, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE ABILITY FOR A FUTURE URBAN STREETSCAPE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THOSE ARE MEANT TO BE, UM, GUIDELINES FOR FUTURE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, RIGHT? BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION SORT OF INDICATES WHAT WE BELIEVE AS A COMMUNITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN THIS AREA.

SO THESE FOLKS ARE EFFECTIVELY BEATING US TO THE PUNCH AND THAT THEY'RE HERE FOR A ZONING CHANGE BEFORE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE CODE TO A PLACE WHERE IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, AN URBAN STREET NETWORK IN THIS AREA THAT WAS JUST DESIGNATED URBAN MIXED USE.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO APPROACH THAT FROM A DECISION STANDPOINT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A NOTABLE ISSUE THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAY I ADDRESS THAT VERY QUICKLY? SURE.

UH, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE FUTURE LAND USE IS, UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE CONTENTIOUS AREAS TO WHERE THEY CHANGED IT A LITTLE BIT.

THIS IS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, STILL FAIRLY HEAVILY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OUT THIS WAY, IS IT NOT? THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INDUSTRIAL OUT HERE.

AND I THINK WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE ADVOCATED FOR CHANGING IT AS, AS COMMISSIONER HINES IS SAYING TO DO, AND I WAS ALWAYS A LITTLE CURIOUS AS HOW WE WERE GOING TO MANAGE TO DO THAT.

AND WHAT WERE WE GOING TO DO WITH ALL THOSE INDUSTRIAL PLANTS OUT THERE? I'M NOT SURE THAT AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT OUT HERE IS GOING TO BE A POSSIBILITY.

UM, AND I DID NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IF YOU'LL DRIVE OUT 2243 AND GO OUT HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A GOOD DEAL OF NOT ONLY GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BUT INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE AS WELL.

I THINK THE INDUSTRIAL IS MORE ON THE EAST SIDE.

YEAH, IT IS.

BUT YOU STILL GO BY QUITE A BIT OF IT.

AND IT SITS PROBABLY OUR

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HEAVIEST INDUSTRIAL AREA IN THE CITY.

SO ALTHOUGH, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

MARSHALL, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TURN THIS IN THERE.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WELL, IT'S THE FEAST OF THE SOUTH.

I MEAN, TAKE A LOOK JUST ACROSS THE TOLL ROAD ON THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE OF THIS THING AND TAKE A LOOK WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIND OF HEARKENING BACK TO A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS, THIS EXACT CONDITION.

WE WENT THROUGH THAT TOO, AND I HAVE STILL GOT PROBLEMS WITH HELL YEAH.

WHAT WE WERE SAYING AS WELL.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

LET ME FINISH MY SENTENCE HERE.

SO WE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS AS, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THIS EXACT COMMISSION BEFORE THIS, THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED WHERE WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO HERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMING UP AND THE NEW FUTURE LAND USE MAP COMING UP.

AND SO WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.

WELL, NOW WE'VE ADOPTED IT AND I HAVE A HARD TIME DIRECTLY AFTER IT'S BEEN ADOPTED GOING.

YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAID IN THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO START GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

SO I, I DO, I DO TAKE YOUR POINT.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ACCEPT THE REALITIES ON THE GROUND, BUT IT IS OUR JOB TO TAKE THIS, THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS IT WAS ADOPTED.

SO, THANKS.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION TOO.

UM, MS. SCRUB, SO FOR THE URBAN MIXED USE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE, THE TYPES OF, UM, THE USE COMPONENTS, BUT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT PSYCH COMPONENTS IN THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT , WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PSYCH COMPONENT OF THE THREE BEING THE ALLOW, IT ALLOWS A GAS STATION AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY MIX WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT URBAN MIXED USE AS WELL.

SO IT DOESN'T SEEM COMPATIBLE TOO WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HINES SAYS.

IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH THE NEW, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKING AT THE SITE COMPONENT FOR THIS, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MIX AT ALL.

AND AM I CORRECT IN HOW I'M LOOKING AT THAT? I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE? SO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S NOT MEANT TO DIRECTLY DICTATE THE EXACT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WE HAVE TO USE OUR BEST JUDGMENT, BUT YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THAT THE TYPE THREE DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE INTENT OF THAT CATEGORY.

FIRST CONSIDERATION IS AGGRESSIVE.

THANKS QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.

WHAT, WHAT MORE ARE YOU PLANNING ON BUILDING WITH THE ZONING? FRANK, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE STREET NETWORK YOU CAN BUILD, YOU CAN BUILD A, YOU STILL HAVE AN URBAN STREETS ELEMENT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BUILD APARTMENTS AT TIMES, I'M A LEADER REALLY TALKING ABOUT SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE PLANS FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.

THOSE WOULD BE GENERAL RETAIL SALES ONE WOULD INCLUDE A RESTAURANT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, A FEW GAS STATION PUMPS AS WELL.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS FROM THE TOLL WAY, AS WELL AS RM 2, 2 43.

UM, JUST AS GENERALLY FUELING TRUCKS NEED TO HAVE THE, TO TYPICALLY GO IN AND OUT THAT ADDRESSES MY QUESTIONS ON IT.

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STYLE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, MAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

THERE'S YOUR FAILS, TWO TO FOUR.

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[13. Discussion regarding ordinance updates associated with masonry requirements, parking standards, and procedural criteria as it relates to action taken by the Commission that the Planning & Zoning Commission would like to forward to the City Council for consideration. Discussion Consider Action]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER 13.

UM, CONTINUE.

OUR DISCUSSION REGARDING ORDINANCE UPDATES IS SODIUM ASSOCIATED WITH MASONARY REQUIREMENTS.

PARKING STANDARDS.

AS THE PROCEDURAL CRITERIA IS RELATES TO ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO AFFORD.

CITY COUNCIL.

THIS AGENDA ITEM INCLUDES, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THE LAST MEETING.

UM, WE TOOK THOSE CONCERNS AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT COULD BE PART OF OUR ORDINANCE.

THAT COULD BE PART OF EMOTION.

UM, SO THE, THE COMMISSION CAN LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS AND, UM, KIND OF GUIDE STAFF IN WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH.

AND WE'LL PRESENT THIS AS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE AND IN THAT PACKAGE THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE COUNCIL DURING THIS STRATEGIC WORK SESSION.

I DID WANT TO LOOK THAT I, I, UM, SPOKE WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE REGARDING THIS, THE PARKING SECTION, THE LEANDER POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT TEAM.

AND I MAY HAVE SAID THAT INCORRECTLY, BUT THEN ANYWAYS, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT TEAM ALSO DOES PARKING ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE CITY.

SO THAT WOULD BE UNDER THEIR PURVIEW AND WE WOULD NOT NEED TO PLACE THAT.

I THINK WE HAD THAT.

SO THAT WAS THE, THE PARKING ON THE STREET OR, WELL, YEAH, UNDER THE PARKING PART WHERE IT SAID THAT THE HOA AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT, THAT THAT COULD BE STRUCK FROM THERE.

AND THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SINCE THESE STREETS ARE SO NARROW, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF PARKING ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, WHETHER IT'S EVEN, OR ODD TO RELIEVE THAT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, GOING DOWN TO ELIMINATE THAT.

SO WE HAVE, UM, A TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED THAT ESTABLISHED THE, THE STREET SECTION.

SO TO SOLVE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT AN AMENDMENT TO THAT, THAT PLAN TO WORK ON A DIFFERENT STREET SECTION.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING ONLY ALLOW PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, CORRECT? NOT LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE ARE THEY 22 FOOT OR 24 FOOT STREETS, 28.

IS IT 28 FEET ACROSS? YEAH.

SO THERE'S 50 FEET OF RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT SECTIONS 28 FEET WIDE.

FUTURE SUBDIVISIONS? ARE YOU LOOKING AT LIKE RETROACTIVE THAT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING FOR EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS TO COME IN AND SAY, YOU CAN'T PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, WE CAN WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS WHERE MAYBE WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT, LIKE ON A CURVE.

YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE VEHICLES PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THERE, YOU BARELY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO GET ONE CAR THROUGH.

SO WHEN WE HAVE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SMALLER LOTS, YOU HAVE LIMITS ON, ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS.

SO THAT WOULD FURTHER REDUCE THE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN PAST MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A HOMEOWNER THAT HAS 5, 6, 7, 8 CARS, AND THEY LINE LITERALLY LINED THE STREETS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

AND SEVERAL TIMES EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE TRIED TO GET TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND COULD NOT MAKE A TURN ON THE ROAD BECAUSE OF ALL THE VEHICLES IN THE WAY.

AND SOMEONE'S LIFE WAS IN DANGER BOTH TIMES, AND IT DELAYED EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE TO THEM.

AND ONE TIME AS THE STREET CURVES WITH THE CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, THE FIRE TRUCK COULDN'T GET TO A HOUSE THAT WAS ON FIRE.

AND THEY DID IS BEEN A BIG CONTENTION.

AND I RECOGNIZE THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE STREET.

WE HAVE TO PARK SOMEWHERE, BUT WOULD THE DRIVEWAYS 18 FEET AND MOST PICKUP TRUCKS, 19 FEET OR LONGER AND GARAGES AT, UH, 20 FEET.

UH, WE HAVE NO PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK AND I DO AGREE SOMETIMES SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, EITHER ODD SIDE OF THE STREET PARKING OR EVEN SIDE OF THE STREET PARKING.

ARE YOU PROPOSING FOR

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UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC CASES WHERE IT'S A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.

CORRECT.

I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SEE FIRE TRUCKS GET TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND OUR HOUSES DON'T BURN DOWN OR PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE MEDICAL CARE CAN'T GET TO THEM AND TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE INTERSECTIONS WHERE, UM, IN ONE SPECIFIC CASE, GOING FROM BROAD STREET INTO OUR SUBDIVISION, BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ARE LINED WITH CARS.

AND SO IF YOU TURN OFF BROAD STREET AND YOU'RE COMING IN THERE AT THE ALLOWABLE SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES AN HOUR, AND ANOTHER CAR IS COMING, THEY, UH, COME CLOSE TO AN IMPACT AND SOMEBODY HAS TO BACK UP.

AND THEN IF THERE WAS PARKED ONLY PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, BUT I WAS GOOD WITH THE MASONARY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE ALSO KNEW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THIS, ABOUT THE, UM, UPDATING THE CCO TO REQUIRE THE SUPER MAJORITY FOR COUNCIL TO OVERTURN ONE OF OUR ACTIONS.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT WHILE I'VE HEARD THAT CEDAR PARK REQUIRES THAT AS WELL.

I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW MS. GRIFFIN FINNEY IS SURROUNDING CITIES? NO SPECIFIC CITIES.

I KNOW IT EXISTS.

SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING.

I, UM, I SERVED ON THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.

I SERVE ON THE CHARTER, THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STATE LAW, WELL, NOT THIS EXACTLY, BUT STATE LAW HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT CITIES CAN DESIGNATE, UH, TO ALLOW THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UM, BASICALLY WHEN THEY DENY A ZONING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING CASES AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT DENIAL THAT IT CAN BE SET UP VIA THE CHARTER, THAT IT REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO OVERTURN A DENIAL.

I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CITIES THAT REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY, UM, FOR BASICALLY ANY DECISION THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES, MAINLY BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BASICALLY MEAN THAT INACTION BY THE COUNCIL MAKES DECISIONS BY THE COMMISSION FINAL.

SO IF THE COUNCIL DIDN'T OVERTURN US THAN WHATEVER WE HAD DONE, WHAT WOULD BE THE THING THAT IS HAPPENS? AND I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S LEGALLY POSSIBLE.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THE CHARTER.

I THINK NOT JUST, UH, AS A PART OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

SOMETHING WHERE ONCE THE COMMISSION DETERMINES AMENDMENTS, THAT THEY WISH TO MAKE, WE ALWAYS REVIEW THEM WITH LEGAL BEFORE WE GO FORWARD.

SO THAT'S A STEP WE WOULD TAKE BEFORE WE PRESENT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE, I SEE.

I SEE.

SO, YEAH.

THEN, UH, THEY ARE GOING TO WANT THE ABILITY TO OVERTURN IT.

SO, SO, UM, THE, UH, I LIKE TO GIVE THEM TO HER AS A GROUP.

I GIVE HER ALL THE AMENDMENTS, SO IT'S MORE EFFICIENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THIS IS IF I'M BEING COMPLETELY FRANK WITH YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER MEHAN IS WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP AND IN A MUCH MORE LIMITED WAY THAN WHEN YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK THAT I GOT WAS NEAR UNANIMOUS DERISION OVER IT.

I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT THEY WOULD SEED SOME OF THEIR POWER TO ANOTHER BODY SEEMED AT PORN AT THE TIME.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONS ITSELF HAS CHANGED SOME SINCE THEN.

SO I DON'T KNOW MAYBE, BUT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, TH THIS WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE A REALLY MASSIVE CHANGE TO THE FUNCTION OF, UH, WHAT IT IS WE DO AND HOW THAT PLAYS IN WITH THE COUNCIL.

SO IT'S, I MEAN, I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS THE SINGLE LARGEST FUNCTIONAL CHANGE ON THIS WHOLE LIST OF, UH, ADJUSTMENTS HERE AND, AND I WON'T DISAGREE TO THAT.

I JUST THINK IT ACTUALLY GIVES WHAT WE DO MEANING.

CAUSE RIGHT NOW, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO IS JUST OVERTURNED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY AT COUNCIL.

IT'S LIKE, DOES IT REALLY MATTER THEN WHAT WE DO? WE'RE JUST FULFILLING A CHECK THE BOX FOR THE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL SAY? AND I'M NOT EVEN, I'M NOT, I SHOULD STRESS.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT WHEN I HAVE SEEN FUNCTIONAL COMMISSIONS AND FUNCTIONAL COUNCILS, UH, WHAT THE COMMISSION DOES IS NOT IRRELEVANT BECAUSE WHAT THE, WHAT THE COUNCIL DOES IS THEY APPOINT A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO THEY BELIEVE CAN BECOME AS CLOSE TO EXPERTS AS REGULAR CITIZENS CAN BE ON THE MINUTIA OF LAND DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN THEY TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE, UH, COMMISSION.

WHAT I THINK WHAT I THINK THE SORT OF PUSHBACK YOU'LL GET IS, UH, IF, IF IN FACT, UH, THEY LIKE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OUGHT TO BE ENOUGH.

AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY,

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UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO TRYING TO CONVINCE THE COUNCIL, THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO.

AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S MY POINT.

THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO OVERTURN ANYTHING THAT WE SAY IT'S JUST GOING TO REQUIRE MORE, JUST A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO DO SO, BECAUSE IF THEY WANT US TO BE THE EXPERTS, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IN THE TIME TO BECOME THE EXPERTS IN THIS.

AND THEREFORE THEY NEED TO, INSTEAD OF USING EMOTION OR WHATEVER ELSE THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS ON, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT AT A LARGER SCALE THAN JUST GETTING A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

HMM.

I THINK THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS WE ARE AN APPOINTED BODY.

THEY ARE AN ELECTED BODY.

THE CITIZENRY HAS TO JUMP THROUGH QUITE A FEW HOOPS BEFORE THEY CAN COME AND PUT ANY PRESSURE ON US, WHEREAS THEY CAN VOTE THE OTHER BODY OUT.

WE ARE BASICALLY AN ADVISORY BODY AND IF WE'RE DOING OUR JOB CORRECTLY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

I SERVED ON A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE CAME UP WITH WAS EACH COUNCIL PERSON APPOINTED SOMEBODY TO THIS POSITION.

AND THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THE FACT THAT, UH, THE LAST COUNCIL THAT WE HAD HAD A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL WAS NO LONGER THERE.

AND WE'RE GOING INTO THAT SAME FUNCTION AGAIN.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PERSON THAT SITS IN THIS SEAT NOW.

AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS A CHARTER REVISION ISSUE.

AND INSTEAD OF A SUPER MAJORITY OF A, AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT'S NOT ELECTED, WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE THAT EACH COUNCIL PERSON APPOINTS SOMEBODY TO THIS POSITION THEY'RE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

SO IF THEY GET SOMEBODY UP HERE, THAT'S JUST TOTALLY OUT OF LINE, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO THAT COUNCILPERSON DIRECTLY AS IT IS NOW.

WE, UM, I'M NOT SURE IN TOTAL THAT WE REPRESENT THE COUNCIL THAT NOW SITS THERE.

I MIGHT'VE REPRESENTED THE COUNCIL THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I DO NOW.

AND I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL THAT SITS THERE NOW SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH THE CHARTER TO APPOINT WHO THEY HAVE TRUST IN.

AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, I THINK IN A SUPER MAJORITY COULD BECOME A POLITICAL FOOTBALL THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE.

AND IT COULD BE A WAY TO BLOCK ELECTED OFFICIALS DECISIONS UNTIL WE MAKE IT TO WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING HERE AND ELECTED APPOINT.

THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE DIRECTLY, IT'LL BE A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE WANTING TO GIVE UP THEIR POWER TO US UNLESS THEY DO HAVE SOME SAY.

SO AS TO WHO SITS UP HERE AS IS, IS NOW THEY HAVE SOME, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS WHEN THEY, EACH ONE OF THEM HAD THE ABILITY TO POINT A COMMISSIONER DIRECTLY.

WHOEVER WAS SITTING IN PLACE FIVE HERE I CAN PLACE FIVE OR SIX MARSHALL WHICHEVER PLACE ON ME AND THE COMMISSIONER THAT THE COUNCILMAN, THAT SHOULD BE THE ONE THAT IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE TO ME.

AND WHEN THEY ARE ELECTED, THEY OUGHT TO PUT SOMEBODY IN AS THEIR PERSON.

AND RIGHT NOW I'M NOT THAT PERSON'S PERSON.

I DON'T BELIEVE WELL, YOU AND YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.

AND I, AND I'M TOTALLY, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

UH, IN OCTOBER FOR SEATS ON THE COMMISSION ARE GOING TO BE UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT OR, OR RETAIN, UM, THE FOUR FOLKS THAT ARE IN THERE NOW.

UM, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK THERE, JOHN, UM, ANYWAY, UH, SO I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO KIND OF SEEDING THIS DISCUSSION OR, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, POSTPONING DISCUSSION UNTIL AFTER THAT HAPPENS.

AND SO THAT THE CURRENT COUNCIL FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH WHO THEY HAVE ON THE COMMISSION.

SO I, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE NOW WITH ABOUT THE, UM, BEING THE POLITICAL FOOTBALL AND HOLDING THINGS UP, THAT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO REGARDLESS, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.

OUR JOB IS NOT TO MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO SIT ON COUNCIL HAPPY.

OUR JOB IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON OUR ORDINANCES, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR LAWS AND THEN THE, THE WANTS OF THE CITIZENS ON WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENRY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER BEN, TANYA PARKER, COMMISSIONER SHAW, OR, UH, MAYOR SAID REQUESTS HAPPY.

YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE TO ADMIT A TINY BIT.

I'M, I'M SURPRISED BY YOU MAKING THAT EXACT POINT BECAUSE ISN'T THAT THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT ABOUT INDIVIDUALLY APPOINTED COMMISSION SEATS THAT IT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE YOU A LACKEY FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER.

WELL, AND WE'RE KIND OF GETTING OFF TOPIC HERE ON THIS ONE, UM, COMMISSIONER HIGHS.

HOWEVER, I DO, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THERE, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE CURRENT RULES STATING THAT YOU CAN BE REMOVED WITHOUT CAUSE, RIGHT.

ANY ONE OF US CAN BE JUST UPROOTED.

THAT WAS THE CASE WHEN IT WAS APPOINTED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, WASN'T IT? I, I, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER

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STYLES IT SAID ABOUT THE, UM, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTING THEIR OWN REPRESENTATIVE ON ALL COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, IF YOU ASKED ME, UM, THAT THEY SHOULD ALSO BE THE ONE THAT CAN REMOVE THEM WITH CLAWS, OR DIDN'T MEAN CERTAIN REASONS ON WHY THEY CAN BE REMOVED.

JUST SO NOW I'M IN PLACE ONE.

SO, YOU KNOW, UM, CATHERINE, SHE DOESN'T GET MAD AT ME AND SHE DOESN'T LIKE ME ANYMORE.

I'M NOT VOTING THE WAY SHE WANTS.

SHE JUST REMOVES ME.

I SAY THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

IT SHOULD BE WITH CAUSE, BUT AGAIN, BACK TO THIS POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, COMMISSIONER STYLE IS VERY VALID AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, AN APPOINTED BODY, BUT WE'RE ALSO APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ELECTED BODY.

SO IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, WHICH I AGREE, WE'RE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, I THINK THAT REQUIRING A SUPER MAJORITY MIGHT BE THE WAY TO GO.

BECAUSE GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HEIN SAID, WE SHOULD BE THE EXPERTS HERE MORE SO THAN THE CITY COUNCIL.

I WANT TO BRING ONE THING UP ON THIS THOUGH.

LET'S GO BACK.

UH, W UH, IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR, THE 2243 PROJECT, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING VOTED FOR THAT.

AND WHAT HAPPENED WHEN IT WENT IN FRONT OF CITY, THERE WAS NEW EVIDENCE THAT CAME UP.

THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE INSTRUCTIONS OF PLANNING AND ZONING, AND WE APPROVED IT, OR WE I'M SO SORRY.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT 22, 43 OF THAT PROJECT? GO ON, I'M SORRY.

THIS NEW ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY TO STRIKE IT DOWN AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AND THAT THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.

ABSOLUTELY.

SOME USE CASES THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THINGS DO CHANGE.

I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THE ONE AT 29 THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH IT'S CHANGED JUST IN THE TIME.

SO ARE THEY REALLY APPROVING OR DENYING WHAT CAME THROUGH US AND HOW DO, HOW DO WE ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO? SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOUR YOURS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, RIGHT? CAUSE WE APPROVED IT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT THEY WOULD MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA OR THEY WOULD ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS, WHICH WEREN'T ALL ADDRESSED.

RIGHT? SO, SO IT WOULD STRIKE ME IN ANY CASE LIKE THAT, THEN IF THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT GOT THEM THE APPROVAL IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED TO GO TO COUNCIL.

RIGHT? IF YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION SAID, YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET HER APPROVAL AND YOU DON'T GO DO THEM THEN.

UH, SO, SO TO ME, THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME CONSEQUENCES THAT SHOULD HAVE SOME MEANING.

BUT IF WE SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED, AND IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE OUR APPROVAL, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU UP.

WE'RE GOING TO PROVE IT TODAY.

AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO FIX IT.

YOU DON'T FIX IT IN THAT TWO WEEKS.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE JUST RUNNING AROUND PNZ.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

AND WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT AND WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS ON THAT.

AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE EVERYBODY ON BEING ON, ON POINT ON, ON, ON BOARD ON THAT.

UH, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE AN APPOINTED BODY.

WE'RE NOT AN ELECTED BODY, AND I HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES WITH GIVING THAT MUCH POWER TO AN APPOINT OF BODY.

THAT IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF THEM.

IF THEY GET A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH FULL OF THEIRSELVES.

AND I'VE SEEN IT FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, I'M SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK HOME, THAT HAPPENED QUITE OFTEN.

I, IF YOUR PROPOSAL WAS IN RIGHT NOW, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO COME BACK HOME AND OPEN UP MY BUSINESS BECAUSE THE VOTE WAS FOUR TO THREE.

LET ME IN, EVEN THOUGH THE LAW WAS CLEARLY ON MY SIDE AND WE ALMOST HAD TO GO TO THE COURTS TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T DO THEIR JOBS UP HERE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE CERTAINLY KEPT ME ON MY TOES MORE TIMES THAN ONE, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT.

MAYBE WE'RE GETTING BETTER THOUGH.

AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS IN GETTING THOSE THINGS OUT HERE, BUT UNTIL WE GET THERE, UH, IT'S, IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M NOT QUITE ON BOARD WITH IT YET.

I THINK OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT US EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY ROBIN TO SPEAK ON PROJECTS THAT WERE HELD AT PMT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? IF WE WANTED TO SPEAK ON A PROJECT THAT WE VOTED ON, LIKE, SAY WE DENIED WHEN WE WANT TO SPEAK ON A COUNCIL, WE STILL CAN'T DO I THINK OUR CITY ATTORNEY DISCOURAGES IT.

IN THE, UM, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES? UM, THE, THE IDEA IS YOU'RE NOT THE ELECTED OFFICIAL YOU'RE APPOINTED.

SO, SO GOING, GOING BACK TO WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER STILES WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, TOO ON US BEING, YOU KNOW, NAGGED BY THE COMMUNITY OR, OR, UM, I, I, I LOOKED OR ENGAGED WITH, BY THE COMMUNITY AS HARDER TO GET TO US THAN IT IS TO COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S DEFINITELY FOR SURE.

UM, IS IT STATE, OR IS IT A CITY THING ON WHY DEVELOPERS CAN'T REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSION THAT'S

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SO THE NEGOTIATION GETS SHOULD GO THROUGH ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE COMMISSION'S SUPPOSED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY IT'S SUPPOSED TO ALL BE PUBLIC ENOUGH.

AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UM, I'M NOT ASKING TO HAVE ANY NEGOTIATING POWER, BUT HAVING THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO DO BETTER THAN JUST IN A PACKET.

AND A COUPLE OF MINUTE PRESENTATION HERE WOULD BE DEFINITELY HELPFUL ON SOME OF THESE, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THESE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T.

SO IF WE GO TALK ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT, SOMEONE ACCUSED ME, WE COULD HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THEM.

WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, WHERE THEY COME IN AND THAT'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY CAUSE IT'S, IT'S RECORDED AND THE PUBLIC'S WELCOME TO COME.

AND, AND BY THE WAY, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH TABLING THOUGH, THE SUPER MAJORITY CONVERSATION JUST TO NOT HOLD EVERYTHING ELSE AND EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY UP.

UH, I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO, UM, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

I, YEAH, THERE'S ONE THING THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME IS WHEN IS OUR NEXT COUNCIL COMMISSION JOINT WORKSHOP, IT WILL OCCUR AFTER THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING AND THAT SCHEDULED FOR JULY.

SO MOST LIKELY AUGUST.

WELL, IF WE HAVEN'T FIGURED SOMETHING OUT BY THEN, WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY DISCUSS IT WITH COUNSEL.

WOULDN'T YOU SAY? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN GET SOME, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DISCUSSION AT ALL.

I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MEET A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PUSHBACK.

SO IF WE CAN GET THAT AND MAYBE RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT IN PERSON, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT OUT WITHOUT A BACK AND FORTH.

MAYBE THAT'S MY FAULT.

IT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAN SENDING ROBIN IN TO TAKE IT, TO BITE THE BULLET FOR US.

AND IT DOES HAVE THE BENEFIT OF BEING A CONVERSATION STARTER.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WORK VEHICLES.

IF WE CAN GO ON BACK TO THIS ONE QUESTION IS, UH, IT SAYS PROHIBIT PARKING WORK VEHICLES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AS, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A WORK VEHICLE? LIKE AN 18 WHEELER.

YOU CAN'T PARK ANY OF THAT.

THAT WOULD BE LIKE, UM, MY NEIGHBOR, A CARPET CLEANING BUSINESS.

AND HE HAS A VAN WITH, FOR HIS WORK, RIGHT.

WITH ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT IN IT, THEY PARKED IN HIS DRIVEWAY.

AND I THINK THAT WAS NOTES I WAS TAKING DURING THE MEETING.

SO NOT NECESSARILY, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD MANAGE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAST THING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IS SPEND ALL THEIR TIME GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, LOOKING FOR VIOLATIONS AND HANDING OUT PARKING TICKETS.

AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO INCONVENIENCE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WITH PARKING TICKETS ALL THE TIME.

AND IN THE CASE OF SOMEBODY OWNING A CARPET KILLING PLACE, WE DON'T WANT TO PROHIBIT THEM FROM EVER HAVING THEIR CARPET CLEANING TRUCK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, UM, THERE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHERE THEY THEY'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

UM, AND IT, IT, I KNOW IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK CITY COUNCIL DOES NEED TO ADDRESS.

MAYBE NOT IN THOSE HARSH TERMS THAT WORK VEHICLES ARE PROHIBITED FROM NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT SO WHAT DO WE DO IF IT'S NOT, WHAT WOULD THE OPTION BE? THAT'S PART OF MY ISSUE IS WE SEE THE PROBLEM.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU FIX THAT? CAUSE IT'S HARD TO BLEND THE FLEXIBILITY YOU'RE DESCRIBING WITH THE REALITY OF HOW THE COMMUNITY'S DEVELOPED.

I THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CARPET CLEANING TRUCK AND, UM, A HUGE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE LEN VEHICLE THAT'S BEING USED FOR LANDSCAPE WITH TRAILER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE MULTIPLE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.

SO WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT, UM, PREVENTS PARKING LIKE 18 WHEELERS.

AND, UM, THERE'S LIKE A, A SIZE LIMIT AND A WEIGHT THAT YOU CAN'T PARK ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

SO THAT IS IN PLACE.

YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO PARK BOATS IN THE STREET.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SPECIAL VEHICLES THAT ARE ALREADY IN OUR ORDINANCE.

SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT SECTION AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY CURES TO THIS.

BLOCKING A DRIVEWAY, PARKING THE TRAILER IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT.

CAUSE A LOT LIKE IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WERE 40 FEET.

LIKE WHAT I HAVE, UM, YOU GET A 20 FOOT TRUCK AND A 20 FOOT TRAILER.

THAT'S 40 FEET THAT, THAT, UH, IT'S GOING TO BLOCK AT LEAST ONE DRIVEWAY, UNLESS YOU HAVE OPPOSITE SIDE DRIVEWAYS, I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S POSSIBLE.

AND THEN YOU WOULD BE PARKING THE TOTALITY OF YOUR FRONT YARD AND THE NEIGHBOR ALMOST.

UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PHRASE THAT IS TOO.

ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S AN ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING THOSE TYPES OF VEHICLES AND BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN'T BLOCK PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAY.

LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS

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DRIVEWAY IS HERE AND YOU PARK RIGHT BEHIND IT WHERE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GO IN.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE, UM, I GUESS THERE'S SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE THE BIG, LONG TRUCK AND TRAILER WERE PARKED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET OF DRIVEWAY AND WITH THE CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND THEY TRIED TO BACK OUT, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

I GUESS I'M LUCKY I DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE AROUND MY HOUSE.

SO I'M GETTING A LOT OF THAT SECONDHAND AS TO WHAT, WHAT THE, CAN WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT IS BASICALLY AGREGIOUS, I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE A NUMBER WHERE YOU SAY, COME ON, UH, I'VE GOT A CLIENT THAT'S DISABLED AND HER FELLOW, THE CROSS STREET FROM IT, AND I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE IT HAS TAKEN UP NINE PARKING SPACES.

HE'S GOT NINE CARS OUT THERE.

I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT NINE IS A LITTLE BIT OVER THE TOP.

I DON'T KNOW THAT FOUR WOULD BE OVER THE TOP, BUT THERE'S BOUND TO BE SOME AGREEMENT ON COME HOME.

YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS.

WHAT ARE YOU A USED CAR LOT? DOES ANYBODY? SO WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE TRY TO STORE, UM, VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL.

UM, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ACTION BASED ON LIKE THE INSPECTION, STICKER AND REGISTRATION.

SO WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE THEY TRY TO OPERATE BUSINESSES LIKE THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO STOP WITH OUR CURRENT CODES.

BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING TO SAY THAT, UM, SOMEONE HAS TOO MANY CARS IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD.

I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY HARD TO REGULATE AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN FOUR, FOUR CARS OR FIVE CARS.

BUT WHERE DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE AND HOW DO YOU ARGUE, WHO OWNS WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN AND HOW SURE THERE'S A NEBULOUS REGION IN THERE THAT FOUR IS NOT ENOUGH AND NINE IS TOO MANY, BUT THAT'S A STARTING POINT ON THIS CONVERSATION SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND NINE.

WELL, HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHO THE VEHICLE BELONGS TO? IF THERE'S 10 CARS PARKED ON THE STREET, DO THEY ALL BELONG TO ONE HOUSE OR DO THEY BELONG TO 10 INDIVIDUALS IN 10 DIFFERENT HOUSES IN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS? IT'S FAIRLY EASY TO DO AND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT SO MUCH, UH, THIS, THIS FELLOW WITH THE KNIFE IS EASILY IDENTIFIED.

I MEAN, DO DO WE REQUIRE CITIZENS TO CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAY, MY NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES AT THIS ADDRESS IS PARKING NINE CARS.

AND, UH, BECAUSE THE POLICE OFFICER, JUST DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT GOING TO KNOW NO.

AND WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS ANYWAY? YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S NO SURPRISE TO EVERYBODY UP HERE THAT I BASICALLY DISAGREE WITH THE, ALMOST ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION UP TO THIS POINT.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I'M SURE EVERYBODY UP HERE IS FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG BUZZ WORD AND ANY BIG BUSINESS THESE DAYS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO REGULATE, UH, SOMETHING THAT NEARLY UNREGULATED WILL, UH, FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, FROM A MANPOWER STANDPOINT, RIGHT? IT, IT TURNS THE POLICE INTO A BUNCH OF PARKING.

MANNY'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS GOING TO GET SOLVED, WHY IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING? LET'S THINK ABOUT IT FOR JUST A MOMENT.

THE REASON THAT IT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS BECAUSE THE KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIVE OR SIX WORK TRUCKS WHO OPERATE A SMALL LANDSCAPING BUSINESS OR SOMETHING CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, LARGE ENOUGH IN BETWEEN THE TREES SO THAT THEY CAN PARK ALL THEIR CARS THERE AND NOT BOTHER ANYONE ELSE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS CAUSED THAT? WELL, MANY, MANY, MANY ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, BUT A FEW OF THEM THAT WE HAVE A BIT OF A HAND IN, UH, THE ONES THAT HELP DRIVE UP THE COST OF BUILDING HERE OR DEVELOPING HERE, ET CETERA.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE ARE IN AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING, NUMBER ONE IN A MUCH MORE LIMITED SENSE THAN YOU ARE SUGGESTING.

I MEAN, TO BE COMPLETELY FRANK MR. CHAIRMAN, IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE YOU IMAGINE THIS TO BE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING THAT YOU MIGHT SEE SOME OF THIS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DRIVE THROUGH A LOT OF NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORHOODS IN LANDER, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A THING.

AND I WOULD BE VERY IMPRESSED TO FIND A REPORT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SAYING WE WERE PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF PROVIDING SERVICE TO SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE PARKING OF THE CARS.

IT'S HAPPENED ONCE OR TWICE AND THAT'S BAD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO REDESIGN PARKING ENFORCEMENT AS A RESULT OF THAT.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE MUCH BROADER ISSUES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE, ABOUT HOW TO, UH, PROVIDE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE VEHICLES THAT MAYBE NOT IN DR.

STILES CASE, BUT IN MANY CASE, MANY CASES ARE JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO EARN A LIVING.

HOW CAN WE MAKE A PLACE FOR THEM IN THIS CITY, AS OPPOSED TO, HOW CAN WE FIND A WAY TO REGULATE THEM OUT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I WANT TO SAY, I DON'T WANT TO REGULATE ANYBODY OUT OF THE CITY.

SURE, SURE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY TO ANYBODY YOU CAN'T OPERATE

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A BUSINESS.

UM, AND I, I KNOW THE EXPENSE OF HOUSING, UH, ESPECIALLY NOW, UH, WITH MEDIUM PRICE AT WHAT'S A 509,000.

IT'S RIDICULOUS.

HOW IS ANYBODY GONNA AFFORD TO GET A HOUSE? UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, BOTH THE MASTER TRACK TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IN THE, UM, WE JUST PASSED IT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IDENTIFIED PARKING AS AN ISSUE IN OUR CITY AND SAID THAT WE NEED TO DO, DO SOMETHING TO SOLVE IT.

UM, AND THAT'S W I, BUT YOUR YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING SOLVE PARKING, AND I'M SAYING SOLVE PARKING MUCH HIGHER.

THE PROBLEM STEM FROM UP HERE, UH, TH TH TH THE PROBLEM IS LARGER, RIGHT? IT'S LARGER THAN THE, JUST THE WIDTH OF A STREET, NOT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT, THAT'S A COST.

THAT'S ONE WAY TO FIX IT.

ANOTHER WAY TO FIX IT, MAKE THE ROADS WAY BIGGER.

WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THE ROADWAY.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF SPACE.

SO NOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS SUBSIDIZING EVERY PERSON WITH A BUNCH OF CARS, FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME, WHO'S GOT TWO CARDS IN PARK PARKS, UH, PARKED THEM IN MY DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME.

IS THAT REALLY MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE UP FOR JOE SCHMO WITH HIS NINE CARS? I DON'T THINK SO.

AND SO, AND ALSO THERE ARE SO MANY INCINERARY PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH THAT AS WELL.

SO PARKING ENFORCEMENT, ONE OPTION, BIGGER ROADS AND OTHER OPTIONS.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S ANOTHER FIX.

I THINK THE FIX IS MUCH LARGER, WHICH IS GET PEOPLE TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A LOGICAL LOCATION FOR THEIR VEHICLE.

AND IF YOU OWN A SMALL BUSINESS BEING ON A SUPER TIGHT LITTLE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD PROBABLY IS NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR YOU.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY CHOOSE THAT AS IF THEY COULD AFFORD SOMETHING ELSE.

AND RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T AFFORD SOMETHING ELSE.

SO IT PUTS US IN A BIT OF A DILEMMA.

THERE IS NO DOUBT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON THE MINUTIA WHEN WE SHOULD BE CONCENTRATING ON THE BIG PICTURE.

WELL, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

I'M SURE THAT ANYBODY THAT HEARS A PARENT AND YOUR KIDS HAVE MOVED DOWN, RALLY IS THEY GO THROUGH DIVORCES.

THEY GO THROUGH JOB CHANGES.

THEY GO THROUGH THIS, THEY GO THROUGH THAT.

WHERE DID THEY GO BACK TO MOM AND DAD? WE HAD ONE FAMILY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, NOT JUST ONE OR TWO OF THEIR, UH, CHILDREN CAME BACK, BUT THREE, RIGHT? AND SO IF MOM AND DAD HAVE A VEHICLE AND THEY BOTH PARKED THEM IN THE GARAGE, LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, AND TWO KIDS MOVED BACK.

NOW YOU'VE GOT BOTH CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY.

WHERE'S THE THIRD KID PARK.

CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION? WHY DOES A FAMILY WITH TWO ADULTS AND THREE GROWN KIDS NEED FIVE CARS? I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION EASILY, RIGHT? THE REASON THAT THEY NEED THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WORK IN GEORGETOWN OR THEY WORK IN AUSTIN AND THEY LIVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OR THEY LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

SO ANOTHER SOLUTION IS TO CREATE PLACES WHERE YOU NEED FEWER AUTOMOBILES.

SO PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO PARK AS MANY PLACES.

ANOTHER OPTION IS TO ENSURE THAT THE SERVICES AND BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE NEED ARE CLOSER SO THAT THEY DON'T REQUIRE AS MANY CARS TO GET THE SAME THING DONE.