[1. Open Meeting.]
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TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 1ST, 2021.
AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LANDER CITY COUNCIL, SECRETARY CRABTREE.
[2. Roll Call.]
CAN YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER, KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER HERE.COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS CERNIK MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY ROSS HERE, MAYOR.
CHRISTINE SAID OF COURSE HERE.
QUORUM IS PRESENT AND THAT COUNCIL IS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM
[3. Board applicant interviews.]
THREE BOARD APPLICANT INTERVIEWS.OUR FIRST INTERVIEW IS WITH MR. PETE TENNIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU DID THAT, LIKE ME, BUT I WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO MY SHOES.
WE SHOULD DO IT MORE LIKE PRICES, RIGHT? FOLKS.
SO YOU ARE INTERVIEWING WITH US TODAY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, CORRECT.
WHAT BRINGS YOU TO WANT TO BE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER? UM, LET'S SEE, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE.
IT'S LIKE A STEPPING STONE TO WHAT LEANDRA'S FUTURE COULD BE, I GUESS, UM, FOR LIKE THE LAST SEVEN YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE IN LEANDER.
TWO OF MY KIDS WERE BORN IN LEANDRA AND SO LIKE, I RUN A SMALL BUSINESS IN THE END OR SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS TOWN BECOME WHAT LEANDRA CONVENIENT.
SO MY KIDS ASKED ME LIKE, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT VERSUS COMING HOME AND NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INSPIRATION, BUT ALSO LIKE, UM, JUST TO SEE THE GROWTH, I WANT TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
I APPLIED FOR THE, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND SO SOME OF MY INPUT IS ON THERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UTILIZED UTILIZING FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND I'D LIKE TO KIND OF KEEP GOING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS THAT WERE IN PLACE AND PUT IN AT THAT TIME.
LIKE, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
I JUST KIND OF WANT TO KEEP ON GROWING AND LEANDER LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I DO.
UM, AND I HEARD YOU'VE BEEN ATTENDING A LOT OF THE PNC MEETINGS RECENTLY.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU'VE BEEN ATTENDING? UM, P AND Z IN GENERAL.
OH, THAT ONE CAME ABOUT, UH, WITH A WATER PROJECT THAT CAME THROUGH RECENTLY.
SO I'D BEEN COMING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR YEARS NOW, JUST LEARNING AND KIND OF OBSERVING AND SEEING WHAT, SEEING HOW IT ALL FUNCTIONS REALLY.
AND SO, UM, AN ITEM CAME OUT AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, LET ME GO FIND OUT MORE.
AND THEN I SAW P AND Z WAS IN I'M LIKE, HEY, THAT'S IT.
AND SO THEN I STARTED KIND OF HITTING THOSE ONES UP BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, WHERE ARE THESE GUYS GETTING ALL THIS STUFF FROM? IS IT JUST KIND OF APPEAR, BUT NO P AND Z HAS ALL LIKE, THEY TOUCH IT FIRST.
AND SO I WANTED TO KIND OF BE THERE TO SEE WHAT THAT FIRST STEP WAS.
SHE HAS THE FIRST STEP BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MEETING.
I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE HER SPOT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S ALONG THAT PROCESS.
MAYBE I THINK THAT PROJECT'S BEEN THERE.
SO THANK YOU, COUNSEL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO Y'ALL HAVE? SO YOU WANT TO SEE LEANDER GIRL.
HOW DO I WANT TO SEE LEANNE REGROWN? UM, I THAT'S A, THAT'S A, DO YOU WANT TO PENSY YOU WANT TO HAVE THE INPUT ON WHAT'S YOUR VISION? YEAH.
SO, OR IS, IS A NICE TOWN WHERE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S MY VISION'S KIND OF, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT IT CAN GO MANY PLACES.
SO I I'M BY TRADE I'M A FARMER.
SO I DO EVERYTHING VERY, VERY SLOW TIME IS OF ESSENCE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A RUSH TO GET STUFF DONE UNLESS IT'S TO GET TO THE POINT OF GETTING IT DONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, SO I FLIP A BED.
I WANT TO GET THAT BED FLIPPED OVER AND PRODUCT BACK INTO THAT BED SO THAT I CAN GET PAID FOR MY PRODUCT.
NOW, NOW THAT THE PRODUCT'S THERE, THAT'S THE WAIT TIME.
THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF BUILD YOU KEEP ON TOUCHING THAT PRODUCT.
SO THERE'S PARTS OF LEANDER THAT, THAT ARE, THAT REALLY NEED ATTENTION.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE, NOT JUST WATER, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT ONE THAT'S DIFFERENT.
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RHODES, I SEE SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN AND I'M LIKE, AT LEAST ADDRESSING THESE TYPES OF THINGS.THEY KIND OF MAKE MENTION TO IT, BUT NOBODY REALLY LIKE, HEY, COME ON, LET'S SEE WHAT THIS IS LIKE, HOW CAN WE GROW THIS? UM, ADAPTABILITY AND IN DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS IS WHAT LEANNA NEEDS TO GROW.
UM, I DON'T SEE IT GROWING AS A BIG CITY.
UM, MORE FAMILY ORIENTED WITH A LOT OF STUFF TO DO.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY HERE, BUT THEY DON'T STAY HERE.
I MEAN, I THINK MY FAMILY IS PROBABLY LIKE THE ONLY ONE THAT STAYS HERE BECAUSE I REFUSE TO TRAVEL OUTSIDE OF TOWN MOST OF THE TIME.
BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, NO, CAUSE THERE'S LIKE 80,000 PEOPLE HERE.
THERE'S NO WAY I CAN BE THE ONLY ONE, BUT TO BRING MORE OF WHAT THEY GO OUT THERE FOR IN HERE, BUT IN A CONTROLLED AND IN A SUSTAINABLE MANNER, THAT'S A WEIRD WORD TO SAY SUSTAINABLE BECAUSE NOT EVERYTHING'S SUSTAINABLE, THE HUMAN TOUCH.
AND SO WE HAVE TO KEEP ON TENDING TO, AND SO PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE WORKS NEED TO BE LIKE, OKAY HERE, HEY, HOW'S IT GOING? BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
IT'S NOT JUST WHEN IT HAPPENS.
A PROACTIVE APPROACH TO BUILDING VERSUS THE REACTIVE APPROACH IS KIND OF WHAT I SEE NOW, WHAT THAT PHYSICALLY LOOKS LIKE, MAN, I JUST, I JUST BOUGHT AN ELECTRIC HYBRID CAR THE OTHER DAY.
LORD, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE PHYSICALLY, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S THAT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
30 THERE'S A 40 AND THERE'S A 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE.
SO PETER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN YOU'VE YOU, CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
JUST BASIC STUFF YOU GAVE IT TO US.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING.
HOW CAN YOU NAME OR GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF AN ITEM THAT P AND Z RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THAT YOU DID NOT AGREE WITH AND WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? I CAN NAME A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, I WILL GO WITH THE MOST RECENT, UM, IT WAS, UH, A TREE HERITAGE TREE.
UM, SOME OF THE TREES THAT WANTED TO BE CUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE FOR A REASON AND I WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE DONE THAT.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULD'VE JUST SAID NO, SORRY, THE PAPER THEY'RE DRAWING THE LITTLE PENCILS.
WE'RE SMART ENOUGH TO DO THAT IN THIS TIME OF DAY.
SO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT'S THERE IN THE LANDSCAPE.
LIKE WHEN I STARTED FARMING, I HAD CO CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN BECAUSE THEIR SHADE UNDERNEATH THOSE TREES AND I HANG OUT SOMETIMES UNDERNEATH THOSE TREES.
SO THERE'S A GIVE AND TAKE AND THEN THERE'S A FINE BALANCE.
SO I WOULD HAVE SAID NO COMPLETELY TO THAT ONE.
I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER, UM, PERSON THAT SAID NO TO IT AS WELL, BUT YEAH, I WOULD'VE JUST STOPPED IT IN ITS TRACKS IN ALL HONESTY.
I'D LOVE TO KEEP TALKING, BUT WE, UH, IT'S LIKE SPEED DATING.
I'M SORRY, BUT I HEAR IT'S A LOT LIKE THIS.
ROBERT SHAVER, GRIEVING COUNCIL.
SO YOU WERE APPLYING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.
WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO BE A P AND Z COMMISSIONER? UM, IN THE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE.
MY MOTIVATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING MY EXPERIENCE AND THAT, UH, THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN OTHER CITIES AND BRING THAT THE POINT OF VIEW AND THOSE INSIGHTS TO HELP WITH THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF LEANDER.
THANK YOU, COUNSEL, WHAT QUESTIONS DO Y'ALL HAVE? SO MR. SHAVER, UM, IT'S, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS CITY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, THERE IS A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH OUR CITY? I HONESTLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, WHICH WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE MY IMAGINATION, EXCUSE ME, HAS BEEN MOSTLY FOCUSED ON, UH, WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO ATTRACT AND ADD.
AND, UM, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I WAS VERY MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH MAYOR HILL THAT WE SHOULD WORK TOWARDS A MORE BALANCED ECONOMY.
UM, OTHERWISE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP AS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND WE NEED TO ATTRACT MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND THEREFORE MORE OFFICE TENANTS.
SO I'M SORRY I HAVE, I HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO WHAT WOULDN'T, WHAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I GUESS,
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YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN MY FOCUS.THAT WAS A VERY POSITIVE ANSWER THOUGH.
YOU'RE LIKE, I DIDN'T FOCUS ON WHAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.
I FOCUSED ON WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE, SO THAT'S A GOOD ATTITUDE.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE COUNSEL NOW, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY AREAS OF TOWN WHERE YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN ADD SIGNIFICANT VALUE OF ANY, ANY AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP THAT I CAN ADD SIGNIFICANT VALUE? UM, I THINK, UH, I WAS A PARTICIPANT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT POTENTIAL OFFICE PARKS AND, UH, UH, EVEN, YOU KNOW, START LIGHT HEADQUARTERS LATE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO PUT PRODUCT ON THE GROUND, UH, GIVEN THE, UH, GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, PEOPLE COMING HERE, UH, COMPANIES WOULD SEE THAT AS, AS ATTRACTIVE.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS THE, EITHER THE DECIDER OR THE RECOMMENDER FOR ORACLE AND GOOGLE AND ERNST AND YOUNG, AND THESE PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS ALWAYS IN A RUSH.
AND SO IF SOMETHING WAS ALREADY THERE, IT WAS FAR MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ME THAN BEING IN SOMEBODY'S IMAGINARY PLAN.
AND, UM, BECAUSE THE PRESSURE ON, ON THE PROVIDER, IN THAT CASE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SPACE AND THE OPERATIONAL SUPPORT IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED IT NOW.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO ASK YOU SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE ON IT, YOU'VE SERVED ENOUGH.
UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
ISN'T THAT AN, I MEAN, IT'S A TERRIBLE CONUNDRUM, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE AND WHETHER IT'S IN HIGH DENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT, OR AS WE EXPAND ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE BUILDING, THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES FROM THE CITY WILL RISE.
AND UNLESS WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, GROW ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE, THAT'S GOING TO THEN DEVOLVE TO BEING DEPENDENT UPON PROPERTY TAXES.
AND WE WILL FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE HIGH DEMAND AND THAT'LL HAVE TO BE MET BY HIGH TAXES.
I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT YOU ASKED THE PRIOR CANDIDATE, IF I MAY.
AND THAT WAS ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED THAT I DIDN'T THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE LAKE.
I THINK THAT WE HAD MADE A COMMITMENT TO NORTHLINE NORTHLINE IS KEY FOR WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE OUR IMAGE GOING FORWARD.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, IF I WERE, UM, ALEX, AT THIS POINT, I'D FEEL, UM, MAYBE BETRAYED IS TOO BIG, A WORD, BUT, UH, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HE'S COUNTING ON US BECAUSE IT'S COMPETITION FOR TENANTS, RETAIL, TENANTS, AND OFFICE TENANTS, AND, AND EVEN APARTMENT TENANTS.
AND IN HIS CASE, UH, I'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION.
I WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER AT FISCAL SQUARE AND HAD TO SOURCE ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF TENANTS.
AND, UM, IF FRISCO HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN A GREEN LIGHT TO A COMPETITIVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE MADE MY LIFE A LOT, A LOT HARDER.
WE HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING FURTHER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. SHAVER.
WE'RE GOING TO MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
MR. PATRICK, YOU ARE APPLYING FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD.
MA'AM TELL ME, HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE LIBRARY BOARD BEFORE? A COUPLE OF TIMES? UH, UH, THE FIRST TIME I WAS ON THERE AS THE VICE PRESIDENT, UH, AND THEN WE BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE AND MOVED AND QUICKLY REALIZED THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LEANDER MAILING ADDRESS DOES NOT MEAN YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF LEANDER.
SO UNFORTUNATELY I HAD TO RESIGN AT THAT POINT.
UM, WHEN WE, UH, MOVED BACK INTO THE CITY, UH, I APPLIED TO BE ON THE BOARD AGAIN, WHERE IT WAS THE TREASURER OF THIS TIME.
AND A FEW MONTHS AFTER THAT, I GOT A REALLY BIG PROMOTION AT WORK AND IT JUST SUCKED UP ALL OF MY TIME.
AND, UH, SO I HAD, I HAD TO LET MYSELF GO FROM THAT POSITION AGAIN.
UH, NOW THE TIMES, RIGHT, THINGS ARE, UH, THINGS ARE A LOT MORE CALMER AND I'M IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE NOW WHERE I'M NOT AS BUSY AT WORK THAT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO BECOME A PART OF IT.
EXCELLENT COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOU SERVED BEFORE, WHAT WAS THE MOST EXCITING THING THAT YOU PARTICIPATED IN ON THE BOARD? I LIKED SPENDING MONEY.
YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY ENJOYED WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO BUY SHELVES FOR THE, FOR THE LIBRARY.
UH, SO I'VE, I HAVE HAD A CAREER AS A TECHNICAL MANAGER IN THE LIBRARY AT AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
I'M NOT A LIBRARIAN BY ANY MEANS, DON'T HAVE THAT DEGREE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M NOT, I'M A TECH PERSON, I'M A GEEK.
AND, UH, THE OTHER THING I REALLY WANT TO HELP EXPLORE AND,
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AND GROW WITH OUR LIBRARIES TECHNOLOGY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE, WE COULD DO A LOT MORE, THAT WE COULD EXPAND PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY.I'VE SET UP SOME STUFF WITH THE LIBRARY PREVIOUSLY, AS PART OF ACC, WHERE WE DID A MAKER MEET-UP, UH, WITH PEOPLE AND WE, WE DID, UH, PROBABLY BEADS AND WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET STUFF LIKE THAT, GOING AGAIN TO HAVE EVENTS LIKE THAT, WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I HAVE GREAT RESOURCES BEHIND ME AT ACC THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP PARTNER WITH THAT STUFF.
I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND TO POINT OUT FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING.
AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE LIBRARY BOARD IS PURELY A FUNDRAISING AND SPENDING THE MONEY THAT YOU RAISE.
WE MADE, YOU KNOW, MADE A LITTLE PROFIT ON THAT.
WE'RE ABLE TO HELP PUT THAT BACK INTO LABOR.
SO ABSOLUTELY ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. PATRICK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE HAINES.
WE ARE MOVING BACK INTO P AND Z INTERVIEWS FRESH OFF AN AIRPLANE.
UH, SO YOU WANT TO BE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER.
CAN YOU TELL US WHY? YEAH, THERE ARE HANDFUL OF REASONS THERE.
UM, I'M INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND IN MY OPINION, THESE GROUPS NEED TO WORK TOGETHER MORE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, ON EDC, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT P AND Z IS DOING P AND Z DOESN'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THE, UH, ADVISORY COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND VICE VERSA.
SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF SYNERGY AND CROSSOVER THERE SO THAT WE HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATION.
I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER WAY THAN HAVING SOME PEOPLE BE ON MULTIPLE GROUPS, MULTIPLE COMMITTEES AND BOARDS.
VERY GOOD ANSWER TO WHAT MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE SERVING ON ALL THESE OTHER AREAS.
SO WAS THAT TOO MUCH, WOULD YOU HAVE TO STEP AWAY FROM SOMETHING ELSE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE THIS IS A, IT'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THAT.
AND SO THAT WAS, UM, JUST, I GUESS, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU JUST PROBABLY THE BEST ANSWER I COULD HAVE HOPED FOR IN THAT ONE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE YOU SOMEWHERE ELSE TO, WELL, IF I INADVERTENTLY GAVE THE BEST ANSWER, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE CAUSE I'LL JUST MESS IT UP.
MR. HAYNES, UM, WHAT HAVE YOU DISAGREED WITH, FROM PMC IN RECENT YEARS? UM, HAVEN'T REALLY DISAGREED AT THIS POINT.
WE NEED TO GET AT, IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO GET AS MUCH BUSINESS HERE.
WE NEED TO BRING, UM, EVERYTHING HERE THAT WE CAN TO GROW OUR CITY.
SO IF WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT PNC LOOKS AT, AND BY THE WAY, WE'VE GOT A GREAT ZONING AND PLANNING PLAN IN PLACE.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT CHANGES MORE THAN ANYTHING, BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE I THINK NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT ON A ONE-OFF BASIS.
IS IT GOOD FOR THE CITY? AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME INTO THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE TAX REVENUE.
WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT DOES IT BRING TO THE CITY AS FAR AS ANY AMENITIES, WHAT ARE THE, UH, POTENTIAL HITS ON INFRASTRUCTURE? AND LOOK AT EVERYONE ON A ONE-OFF AND DECIDE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY OR NOT? SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING THAT I DISAGREE WITH.
UM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT MORE OF A FOCUS ON SOME MANUFACTURING AND THINGS THAT BRING A BIGGER TAX HIT, UM, OR A BIGGER TAX BENEFIT TO THE CITY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE DONE.
BUT BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE ZONING IS SET UP, NOW WE'RE MEETING WHAT THE NEEDS AND THE PLAN WERE.
YOU MENTIONED COMMUNICATING BETWEEN ALL THE BOARDS, UM, WHAT IS A WAY THAT YOU WOULD IMPROVE THAT? UM, TO ME, THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT MAY NOT BE THE MOST PRACTICAL AND REALISTIC.
UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING OF EACH OF THE CHAIRS OF THE BOARDS TO JUST SIT THERE FOR AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF AND SHARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I MEAN, I KNOW EACH GROUP COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL TWICE A YEAR AND SHARES WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH COUNSEL, ANYTHING FURTHER.
SO WHILE I'M HERE, IF I MAY, UM, IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT I BECOME THE GUY WHO WANTS ALL THE APARTMENTS.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF THAT'S BECAUSE OF MY WIFE.
IN FACT, I HAVE NEVER STAYED AT A STANCE ON MULTI-FAMILY, BUT I'M ABOUT TO DO IT NOW.
SO JUST LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER,
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I THINK EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS A ONE-OFF.I'M NOT A VOTE, NO, ON EVERY APARTMENT CHANGE, A ZONING CHANGE.
EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL.
AND IN FACT, MY WIFE, THE APARTMENT GIRL IS THE SAME WAY.
SHE ALSO THINKS EVERYTHING SHOULD BE A ONE OFF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THAT'S WHO WE ARE NOW, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT WHO WE ARE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
SO NOT EVERYBODY HAS HEARD IT NOW.
WELCOME MR. DAVIS, WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO BE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER? SO I GUESS SIMPLY PUT, UM, BUSINESSES AND ENTERPRISES WANT TO BE A PART OF GROWING AND THRIVING COMMUNITIES.
IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHAT LEANDER IS, IS, AND IS BECOMING MORE OF RIGHT WHEN I MOVED HERE ROUGHLY FOUR YEARS AGO, I CAME HERE BECAUSE I FOUND IT TO BE A VERY PEACEFUL, UM, ENVIRONMENT WHERE MY GRANDKIDS, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD BE HERE.
AND I F I WOULD FEEL THAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE AND IT WOULD BE SAFE.
UM, SO I WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A DIVERSE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE A PART OF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
I THINK THAT I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT BECAUSE I WOULD BRING A BALANCED AND PRINCIPLED APPROACH TO MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY.
THANK YOU, COUNSEL, WHAT QUESTIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ROLE IS? I THINK THE ROLE OF A P AND Z IS TO TAKE IN THE, THE INPUT OF THE VISION AND WISDOM OF THE COUNCIL OF STAFF, UH, AND, AND THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT THEY REPRESENT.
AND AGAIN, TRY TO HAVE A BALANCED AND PRINCIPLED APPROACH ABOUT WHERE THE, THE BUSINESSES AND, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER WITH MORE OF A, AN EYE ON AN INTEGRATION OF THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO END UP, AT LEAST FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT ROLES, YOU ENDED UP NOT MAKING EVERYONE HAPPY, BUT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT NORTH STAR, THAT COMPASS OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, AND PEOPLE FEEL HEARD AND VALUED FOR THEIR INPUT, I THINK THEN THOSE THINGS BECOME MUCH MORE.
THEY CAN LIVE WITH IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS DONE IN A TRANSPARENT AND OPEN ATMOSPHERE.
SO I THINK THE P P AND Z IS KIND OF THE TIP OF THE SPEAR OF THAT.
YOU'RE TAKING ALL THAT INFORMATION AND INPUT FROM EVERYBODY, AND THEN TRYING TO DO AS A COLLECTIVE, WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST LIKE ANY TEAM DOES, HAVE YOU ATTENDED ANY OF THEIR PNC MEETINGS? I'VE ONLY ATTENDED ONE, AND IT WAS VERY PERSONAL TO ME, I GUESS, AS, AS THESE THINGS ARE, AND I HAVE TO APPLAUD HOW THEY HANDLE IT, IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT, UM, UH, BUSINESS.
AND I REALLY FELT FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER, THEY HAD BEEN HERE VERY LONG TIME, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES HAD BUILT, HAD BUILT AROUND WAS, UH, UH, WELL RIGHT OFF OF THE 1431.
UM, THIS GENTLEMEN HAS BEEN HERE A VERY LONG TIME.
I THINK HE WAS NEAR RETIREMENT.
HE WANTED TO SELL THE BUILDING.
SO HE WANTED TO GET A, UM, HAVE IT ZONED DIFFERENTLY FOR HEAVY MANUFACTURING AND STUFF.
AND I, I REALLY TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE, WANT TO LEAVE SOMETHING TO HIS KIDS.
AND, AND I, I SAY, ANNE, PURPOSELY NOT, BUT, UM, AND THAT AREA HAS JUST A VIBRANT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, THE WISDOM I THINK OF P AND Z, THEY MADE A REALLY TOUGH DECISION, DENIED HIS REQUEST.
BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK IT WAS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE COUNCIL FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I FOLLOWED UP.
NO, BUT IT WAS PERSONAL WELL, PERSONAL CAN BE HE ADDRESSED, I THINK IN MORE THAN, THAN ONE WAY.
AND I'M NOT ONE FOR A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT GETS HANDLED, WHICH FROM WHAT I WAS, I WAS TOLD IT WORKED OUT SO AMICABLY.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT WORKED OUT BECAUSE PNC DENIED IT? UH, NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT, THAT IT, IT WAS LEFT AT THAT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED BY WORKING WITH THE CITY IS NOTHING'S NEVER REALLY LEFT AT ANYTHING.
IT'S ALWAYS A MOTION AND THINGS ARE IN PROGRESS.
SO, I MEAN, THE FINAL DECISION, THE FINAL DECISION, I'M REALLY NOT SURE WHAT THE FINAL DECISION WAS.
NO, I JUST KNOW WHAT P AND Z DID.
I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY.
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CAN YOU SHARE WHAT YOUR SPECIFIC EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCES THAT YOU THINK PAIRS WELL FOR P AND Z? SO I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS OF A UTILITY, UM, EXPERIENCE FOR SPECIFICALLY ELECTRIC WATER.UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE I BRING KIND OF A, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, BUT I'VE BEEN A PART OF MEETINGS WITH, UH, DISNEY, UH, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND OTHERS ABOUT HOW DO YOU GET YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, POWER, WATER, GAS, ELECTRICITY, HOW DO WE INTEGRATE THOSE PLANS WITH WANTING TO MOVE HERE? UM, UH, I ALSO THINK, UM, AS MY RESUME DICTATES, I'VE BEEN A PART OF A NUMBER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEES, CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS WHERE I'VE HAD TO INTERFACE WITH PEOPLE OF, UH, THAT MAY ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT MOVING BUSINESSES TO CITIES.
AND I'VE BEEN A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS GIVING, GETTING THEM, UM, TAX INCENTIVES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND THEN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO INTEGRATE THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE CITY.
SO IT'S ONE THING TO BRING SOMEONE TO A CITY, BUT YOU ALSO WANT TO BRING THEM TO A PLACE THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO WHAT YOUR LONGTERM PLANS ARE.
I HAVE A WEALTH OF, OF THAT EXPERIENCE.
THERE'S ALSO ONE THING I SAW ON YOUR APPLICATION.
IT ALSO MENTIONED THAT POSSIBLY SERVING ON EDC, IF THERE WAS EVER A SPOT OPEN AS WELL, TOO.
I ACTUALLY, I'VE ONLY APPLIED FOR TWO, THEN I SAW THIS.
UM, AND I THAT'S WHERE I THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE MOST VALUE.
UH, YOU ARE APPLYING TO BE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER.
WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO DO THAT? UM, SO, UM, I'M FAIRLY NEW TO, UH, WORKING FOR THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY IN A CITY, UH, ATMOSPHERE.
SO THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME AND COME FROM MILITARY BACKGROUND AND FINALLY HAVING A CHANCE TO KIND OF SETTLE DOWN.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR OVER A DECADE, UM, AND AFTER GETTING OUT OF THE MILITARY, ME AND MY WIFE FINALLY DECIDED TO KINDA SETTLE DOWN IN TEXAS.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY KINDA JUST, UH, KIND OF ANOTHER EXTENSION FOR ME IN MY MINDSET AND, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, UM, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT I PUT ON THE APPLICATION OR JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULD KIND OF DIVE INTO THE CITY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, MAYBE LEND SOME ADVICE OR MAYBE MY OPINION, AND JUST GO FROM THERE.
SO WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT P AND Z DOES, AND YOU KIND OF EXPLAINED WHY YOU WANT TO SERVE, BUT WHAT, WHAT DOES PNC DO? UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PNC DOES IS PRETTY MUCH KIND OF STRUCTURED THE CITY IN A WAY THAT IS BEST FOR IT TO GROW AND ALSO TO PROVIDE THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE CITY.
UM, SO IF THAT INVOLVES RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING, AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOODS, HOW THOSE ARE STRUCTURED BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE JOBS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY AND SO FORTH, I HAVEN'T DONE THE QUESTIONS I'M OPEN FOR ANYTHING.
WHAT WHAT'D YOU DO AS A MOTHER? SURE.
UM, SO, UM, I'M A FORMER MARINE AND CURRENTLY I'M IN THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD.
SO, UH, WHEN I WAS IN MARINE CORPS, I WAS A
AND THEN AFTER THAT, I CHANGED JOBS TO A, UH, INTELLIGENCE JOB.
AND I'VE BEEN DOING THAT PROBABLY FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
I GOT OUT WITH A 13 YEARS IN, AND THEN I MOVED OVER TO THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD.
AND NOW I WORK FOR THE FINANCIAL SECTION OFFICER OR ENLISTED.
SO I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IF I, IF I MIGHT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT, BUT IF, IF I RECALL YOU HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT INTERESTS, UH, OF SERVING, IF YOU COULD PICK WHATEVER YOU WANTED, WHAT WOULD IT BE? UM, I KNOW INITIALLY MY FIRST CHOICE WAS THE EDC, I THINK, BUT THE TIMING OF THAT, I THINK, UH, W THE SPOT KINDA GOT CLOSED.
UM, SO WITH THAT PLANNING AND ZONING IS MY SECOND CHOICE.
UM, I KNOW I SAW SOME OTHER SECTIONS WITH THE, UH, I THINK IT'S THE VETERANS PARK.
UM, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE THAT I WILL BE INTERESTED IN SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, THAT DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE.
SO IT, IT DOES SOUND LIKE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO DO, AND IT KIND OF NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF THE FORUMS. SO I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD CLOSE THAT LITTLE LOOP.
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YES.AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, RICHARD CARPENTER.
YOU WANT TO BE ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
WELL, PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN MY WHOLE LIFE AND MY CAREER.
I WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR A LIVING.
IT'S MY FIRST PASSION I'M CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS AS FIRST ALTERNATE, I THINK, UH, IT'S OFTEN, DO YOU MEET FOR THAT? WELL, NOT VERY OFTEN.
AND I ACTUALLY HAD TO SERVE BECAUSE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP.
SO I ACTUALLY GOT TO SIT OVER THERE ON THE END.
UH, BUT IT IS AN INTERESTING, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING ARE REALLY, I SERVED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND WISCONSIN AND ANOTHER LIFE BEFORE I MOVED TO TEXAS.
SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHAT MY PASSION IS AND WHAT I LIKE TO DO.
WELL, MY WIFE NEEDS ME OUT OF THE HOUSE.
SHE WANTS ME TO FIND SOMETHING TO DO.
I RETIRED HERE EARLY AND I MOVED DOWN HERE TWO YEARS AGO, RIGHT BEFORE COVID AND I WAS BLESSED TO GET HERE BEFORE COVID.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE WAY TO GOTTEN OUT OF WICHITA FALLS AND THAT'S A PLACE TO GET OUT OF.
SO NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE WICHITA FALLS.
IT'S JUST, WE NEEDED TO BE DOWN HERE BY OUR GRANDSON AND HER SONS.
SO IT'S NO LEANDER, NO LEANDRA IS WONDERFUL PLACE.
SO I WANT TO FIND SOMETHING TO DO AND SPEND SOME TIME.
AND I KNOW THAT PLANNING AND ZONING HAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME INVOLVED WITH IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING TO DO.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO ANY OF OUR PNC MEETINGS? I HAVE NOT BEEN TO A P AND Z MEETING HERE.
I'VE BEEN IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THAT'S WHERE I STARTED TO GO.
CAUSE I'M GOING TO GET TO KNOW ALL YOU GUYS AND YOUR FACES, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK I'VE MET MOST OF YOU AT ONE POINT IN TIME OR ANOTHER.
I THINK YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU MENTIONED SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, YOU UNDERSTAND W WELL, WHAT WE DO, THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR THE, FOR THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM I WORKED FOR.
I DID A, ALL OF THE PLANNING, ALL THE LONG RANGE, STRATEGIC PLANNING AND CANCER, A QUESTION YOU ASKED PREVIOUS PEOPLE.
I REALLY THINK THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE NEEDS TO TAKE THE STRATEGIC MISSION THAT THE GOES AND SETS FORTH AND, AND IN ACCENT.
BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO DO EVERYTHING VERY CAREFULLY AND WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT, BECAUSE LAND IS GROWING FASTEST GROWING CITY IN NORTH AMERICA, WHAT TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
I THINK THAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO STOP DO JUST THAT TAKE A BIG, DEEP CLEANSING BREATH AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THIS CAREFULLY BECAUSE WE DO NEED A LOT OF OFFICE SPACE.
WE DO NEED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE DON'T NEED AN OVERPOPULATION OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, BUT WE NEED SOME.
AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB SO FAR, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE ALSO MENTIONED INFANT STRUCK INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS.
AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHY THERE'S NO EMERGENCY POWER ON MY WATER, WATER PLANT, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I'LL GO THERE.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ANYWAY, BUT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, SO MY WIFE WOULD REALLY LIKE ME TO GET MORE INVOLVED.
I'M A, WHAT I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF I USE THIS LINE BEFORE, I'M A DAMN YANKEE.
I CAME HERE AND STATE, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I'VE BEEN, WHAT, WHAT STATE DID YOU COME FROM? WISCONSIN? YOU'RE NOT A YANKEE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, I'VE BEEN IN TEXAS FOR 15 YEARS NOW.
UH, THE LAST TWO IN LEANDER, WE JUST ARE COMING UP ON OUR TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF BEING HERE.
SO THAT'S LONG ENOUGH TO BE CALLED A TEXAN.
MY WIFE WILL NEVER AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FASTEST GROWING CITY.
WHAT OTHER CHALLENGES DO YOU THINK LANDER FACES SPECIFICALLY AS OPPOSED TO WISCONSIN OR WICHITA FALLS? I THINK INF INFRASTRUCTURE CONTROL IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT WE NEED.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE POWER GRID AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GROW CAREFULLY.
I DON'T MEAN WE NEED TO RESTRICT THE FLOW OF GROWTH, BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HANDLE IT AND THAT WE'RE READY FOR WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES TO.
AND WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND I'M SURE THERE'S THIS STRATEGIC MISSION THAT, THAT I THINK I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT AT SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I HAVE NOT READ IT ALL, ALTHOUGH I'VE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THE COMMITTEES NEED TO GO AND PAY ATTENTION TO.
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EXCELLENT.WHAT MAKES YOU WANT TO BE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER? OH, SORRY.
UM, I HAVE READ THROUGH THE, UH, CHARTER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COUNCIL, AND I FEEL THAT WE'RE MISSING A LOT OF THE, UH, GOALS THAT WERE SET FORTH.
UM, THERE ARE STRICT SPECIFICATIONS WANTING TO MAKE THIS CITY, UM, LESS CAR RELIANT, MORE WALKABLE, UH, ACCESS TO, UH, BUSINESSES, UM, SERVICES FROM WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE JUST AREN'T DOING.
AND WHILE I LIKE A LOT OF THESE BIG MIXED USE, UM, UH, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT INCLUDE, UH, SERVICES, UM, THEY MISS THE MARK OF SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE NOW THAT DON'T HAVE NEARBY SERVICES.
I MEAN A GAS STATIONS FINE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED PLACES FOR, UH, FOR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE AND WALK DOWN THE STREET AND GRAB AN ICE CREAM OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UM, OR FRIENDS TO MEET UP AND HANG OUT AT A COFFEE SHOP OR, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LUNCH PLACE OR WHATEVER.
AND, UM, I DON'T FEEL WE'RE DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB AT BACKFILLING.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
UM, THOSE SERVICES ARE BEING CONCENTRATED IN A FEW AREAS.
AND, UM, TO BE HONEST, WE'RE BUILDING LEE ANDREWS RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOT 180 3 8 AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH TOWN.
AND WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT ON ONE SIDE OF 180 3, A AND WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SIDE OF 1 93, A AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVES ON BOTH SIDES.
AND I THINK THAT'S DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A DETAIL ORIENTED, FAIRLY DETAILED ORIENTED.
I WILL GET IN THE WEEDS ON SOMETHING I, I FEEL IS IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY, UM, I WON'T HAND WAVE, BUT I WILL, YOU KNOW, UH, GIVE MY REASONING FOR WHY I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED FOR THE TIME BEING OKAY.
AND WHAT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT P AND Z DOES AND WHY YOU KIND OF EXPLAINED WHY YOU WANT TO SERVE, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ROLE OF PNC? I FEEL THAT PNC HAS, UM, HAS A DUAL ROLE, ONE TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE, OF THE CITY WITH THE GUIDANCE OF OUR, UM, OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR, UH, ZONING ORDINANCES AS THEY ARE, AND TO, UM, TO HELP ENSURE THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN ARE TRYING TO MEET THOSE, UH, UH, THOSE REQUIREMENTS OR FITTING INTO THOSE REQUIREMENTS THE BEST WE CAN.
UM, AND THEY ALSO HAVE A, UH, A RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THOSE BITS OF INFORMATION AND, UM, AND DISTILL THOSE DOWN TO, UH, INFORMATION THAT CAN BE PASSED ON UP TO THE COUNCIL, UH, TO HELP STEER, YOU KNOW, BROADER DECISION-MAKING, UH, UM, THAT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
I FEEL THAT IT'S MORE OF A, UH, THERE IS SOME, UH, DECISION-MAKING WITHIN THE, UH, WITHIN THE PNC, BUT I THINK, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE OF A, UM, CONCILIARY KIND OF A SITUATION WHERE REALLY THE PNC IS ABOUT, UH, HELPING OTHERS, HELPING, UH, HELPING FIND THE RIGHT SOLUTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL YOUR BACKGROUND AND EXPERTISE DIRECTLY RELATES TO PNC PNC? I'M SORRY.
I AM A NETWORK ENGINEER, SECURITY ENGINEER, UM, SYSTEM ADMIN GEEK OF ALL ASPECTS.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW DIVERGENT SYSTEMS TEND TO PLAY TOGETHER AND INTERACT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN UNDERSTANDING, UM, HOW, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL MAY APPLY TO A RESOURCE AVAILABILITY OR TRAFFIC CONTROL OR, UM, EVEN SERVICE RESPONSE TIMES FROM, YOU KNOW, POLICE OR FIRE OR AMBULANCE.
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I'M ALSO A SIMULATIONS GUY, SO I REALLY LIKE PLAYING WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND FIGURING OUT, UM, HOW, UH, HOW ONE MINOR CHANGE MAY AFFECT, UH, OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE SYSTEM YOU ATTENDED THE PNC MEETINGS.UM, I, I BROWSE THROUGH SOME RECORDINGS AND, UH, READ THROUGH SOME, UH, UH, SOME MEETING NOTES.
UM, I ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF GOT INTO THIS BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO ANOTHER PNC MEMBER AND WE WERE DISCUSSING BUTTING HEADS A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, ON SOME BELIEFS OF THE GROWTH OF, UH, OF LEANDER.
AND, UH, HE SAID, WELL, YOU SHOULD GO, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR PMS. SO THAT'S WHAT I DID.
I HEAR YOU WANT TO BE ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? SO, UM, WHEN I WAS APPOINTED TO COUNCIL, UM, LAST OCTOBER, UM, I HAD TO VACATE MY PLANNING AND ZONING SEAT.
UM, SO I'M READY TO HAVE A BET.
BIGGEST REASON FOR US TO WANTING TO COME BACK AFTER SWITCHING OVER FROM P AND Z TO COUNSEL, AND THEN COMING IN AND COMING BACK ON, AND WHICH I THINK I PERSONALLY KNOW ABSOLUTELY A LOT OF WHAT COUNCIL DOES, UM, GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING FIRST.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH I MADE THE SWITCH TO COUNCIL, A LOT OF WHAT I WAS DOING WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHEN I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, REVIEWING ALL OF THE, UM, THE ZONING CASES, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF FEED IN TO ONE ANOTHER, THE, THE, THE ROLES ARE SIMILAR AND PARALLEL.
ONCE YOU GOT ON THIS SIDE OF THE CURTAIN, INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WOULD YOU MAKE DECISIONS DIFFERENTLY NOW AT P AND Z THAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEFOREHAND? AND I'LL GO AHEAD.
CAUSE YOU WON'T EVEN, THERE WERE A COUPLE, I WAS LIKE, WHOA, BUT NOW HAVING SEEN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SHAPE OF THE SIM, IF I KNEW THE, THE STATE OF CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THAT TIME, UM, I THINK SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS WEREN'T HAPPENING AT THE TIME THAT THOSE VOTES WERE MADE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I WOULD STILL VOTE THE SAME WAY.
WELL, NO OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE ONE FOR YOU.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OVER THE ANDREW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC SAFETY? UM, WE DEFINITELY, UM, I MEAN, I WATCH ALL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS, WHAT I DO FOR FUN.
UM, AND, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE STREETS ARE WIDE ENOUGH FOR FIRE TO GET THROUGH.
AND THAT IF SOMEONE IS PARKED ON THE STREET, THEY CAN, PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT COMPROMISED IN ANY WAY.
AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE DEFINITELY.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE WATER AND ROADS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DEVELOP THAT PROJECT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS.
I CAN HONESTLY SAY I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH EVERYBODY TODAY.
UM, WE'LL BE MAKING A DECISION AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO TUNE IN FOR THAT, UM, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US IN THE MEANTIME, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6 46.
WE'LL RECONVENE INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING AT 7:00 PM.
[4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
ALL RIGHT.TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 1ST AND THE TIME IS 7:01 PM.
AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL, RABBI MARIE BETCHA WITH THE, UH, AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT CHAPLAIN'S OFFICE.
WE'LL BE PROVIDING THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION MAYOR.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEAREST, LOVING LORD AND CREATOR.
FIRST WE SAY, THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF ALL WHO ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY AND ABUNDANT
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BLESSINGS AND FOR LIFE ITSELF IN THE SCRIPTURES, IT IS WRITTEN THAT CITIZENS OUGHT TO OBEY THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES SINCE OUR CREATOR ESTABLISH THOSE VERY AUTHORITIES TO PROMOTE PEACE ORDER AND JUSTICE.THEREFORE WE PRAY FOR ALL OUR CITY OFFICIALS.
AND IN PARTICULAR FOR THIS ASSEMBLED COUNCIL, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM WISDOM TO GOVERN AMID CONFLICTING INTERESTS AND ISSUES OF OUR TIMES A SENSE OF WELFARE AND TRUE NEEDS OF ALL PEOPLE.
I CAN FIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS, CONFIDENCE IN WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HARMONY.
EVEN WHEN THERE IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT AND PERSONAL PEACE IN THEIR LIVES ENJOY IN THEIR TASK.
AND WE PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE THEM TODAY.
WE BELIEVE IN TOMORROW FOR GOD HAS GUIDED US IN HOW TO LIVE TODAY.
MAY WE BE HELPED TO SUSTAIN OUR BELIEF IN THE PROMISE THAT EVEN IN THE DARKEST OF TIMES, EVEN WHEN WE FEEL MOST DISCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY HAVING ENDURED OVER A YEAR AND A HALF OF A PANDEMIC, THERE IS REASON TO TRUST THAT LOVE IS NEVER EXTINGUISHED AND THAT LIGHT AND SPIRIT WILL PREVAIL.
MAYBE REDEDICATE OURSELVES TO BUILDING A WORLD THAT IS SAFER FOR US AND OUR CHILDREN.
WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED IT DURING THIS PANDEMIC.
WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED REINFORCES THE REALIZATION THAT EACH DAY, MOST OF US ARE CLOSER TO THE END.
THEN TO THE BEGINNING, MAY WE BE GIVEN THE COURAGE BY GOD TO DO JUSTICE, TO OPEN OUR EYES, THAT WE MAY SEE THE NEEDS OF OTHERS? MAY WE OPEN OUR EARS THAT WE MAY HEAR THEIR CRIES? LET US NOT BE AFRAID TO DEFEND THE WEAK BECAUSE OF THE ANGER OR THE STRONG NOR AFRAID TO DEFEND THE POOR BECAUSE OF THE ANGER OF THE RICH RENEW, OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.
SO THAT THE WORDS WHICH ALWAYS BRING US TOGETHER WILL BE BROTHER OR SISTER.
AND OUR WAY OF LIFE WILL ALWAYS BE THAT OF SHALOM PEACE, SALAAM WORDS, WRITTEN CENTURIES THAT GO BY A GREAT AND PEACE LOVING MAN ST.
LORD, MAKE ME AN INSTRUMENT OF THE EYEPIECE, WHERE THERE IS HATRED.
LET ME SO CHARITY, WHERE THERE IS INJURY, PARDON, WHERE THERE IS DARKNESS LIGHT.
WE PRAY THAT THIS GLORIOUS CITY OF LEANDER CONTINUES TO BLOSSOM AND FLOURISH, AND WE GIVE THANKS THAT WE LIVE IN THIS BOUNTIFUL AND BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
WE GIVE OUR THANKS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE STAND TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY READY TO ASSIST, ASSIST THOSE THAT DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO BUILDING A STRONGER CITY.
WE INVOKE YOUR BLESSING, GOD, UPON THE MEMBERS OF OUR MILITARY, UPON OUR POLICE, FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND EMS AND ALL OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS, IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR SELFLESS ACTIONS AND DEVOTION TO THIS CITY AND LAND THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY FREE AND IN PEACE AND ABLE TO RETURN TO OUR HOMES.
THEY ARE THE TRUE HEROES OF OUR TIME.
LET US SEE THAT GROWTH IS NOT RESERVED FOR ANY ONE SEASON OR ANY ONE SEGMENT OF SOCIETY.
AND THAT LOVE AND FULFILLMENT ARE NOT THE EXCLUSIVE PROVINCES OF THE YOUNG.
AND AS WE CELEBRATE REACHING THIS MOMENT TONIGHT, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE CONTINUED UNFOLDING OF OUR LIVES.
THERE IS LORD STRENGTHEN THE BONDS OF FRIENDSHIP AMONG THE INHABITANTS OF OUR CITY, AND MAY THE LOVE OF YOUR NAME, HALLOW EVERY HOME AND EVERY HEART.
ARE YOU SOURCE OF PEACE? AND WE SAY TOGETHER IN THE NAME OF OUR CREATOR, AMEN.
RIGHT? TO THE FLAG UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[5. Roll Call.]
SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER, CAPTAIN BATTALION PARKER HERE.COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME, MATT, LEN GLORIA HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS CERNIK MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY BRAS HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE SET REQUEST HERE.
QUORUM IS PRESENT AND THE CITY COUNCILS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS.
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
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TO SPEAK TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT.[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW CONSIDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS SEVEN THROUGH 18, UH, COUNCIL.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[19. Discuss and consider action on the Second Reading of an Ordinance regarding Zoning Case 20-Z-021 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to create the State Highway 29 and Ronald Reagan PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of GC-2-A (General Commercial), GC-3-A (General Commercial), and MF-2-A (Multi-Family); and to consider approval of Masonry Development Agreement 21-DA-017 on eight parcels of land approximately 32.266 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R319215, R464196, R534766, R534765, R4185330, R403523, R534764, and R534763; and generally located at the southwest corner of the intersection of State Highway 29 and Ronald W. Reagan Blvd., Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
ONTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING ZONING CASE 20 Z 0 2 1 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR, ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO CREATE THE STATE HIGHWAY 29 AND RONALD REAGAN PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF GC TO A GENERAL COMMERCIALTHIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY 29 AND RONALD REAGAN ZONING CASE.
UM, THIS ITEM IS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS NOT, UM, VOTED FOR UNANIMOUSLY AT THE LAST MEETING I'M AVAILABLE.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND APPLICANT IS ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, NO, NO QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, AS FAR AS THE THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP LAST MEETING AND, UM, THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, LIKE, LET'S SAY HERE'S A NEW, NEW THING.
WE JUST, WE JUST HEARD IN THESE, UM, INTERVIEWS, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, STEVE HAINES AND HIS WIFE WORKS IN THE APARTMENT BUSINESS AND HE JUST MADE A COMMENT AND THE COMMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE IT, IT, IT, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE LOOKED AT HOLISTICALLY AND WHAT IT BRINGS TO THE TABLE.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WITH THAT DENSE OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THAT LOCATION, THIS SHOULD BE BRINGING A LOT MORE TO THE CITY AT THE VERY LEAST.
UM, SECONDLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT CAN ACTUALLY GET BUILT.
AND THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY CONCERN FROM THEM FROM THE FIRST POINT, WHICH WAS A WRAP PRODUCT AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING BACK IN LATER.
NO, NO OFFENSE, BUT IF IT, IF, IF YOU GO DOWN THE LINE AND YOU SPEND ALL THIS MONEY, RIGHT, AND THEN IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THE BEST THING TO DO FOR YOU WOULD BE TO ASK US FOR AN EXCEPTION TO LET YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
IF IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WITH THAT PARTICULAR PRODUCT LINE.
AND I WORRY ABOUT GETTING DOWN THE LINE AND THEN US MAKING AN EMOTIONAL DECISION SAYING, HEY, YOU DID ALL THIS WORK, SO LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST GO OUT.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S A FAIR ARGUMENT IS JUST A CONCERN OF MINE.
SO, UM, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO APPROVE IT, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THERE AS FAR AS WHAT'S GETTING BUILT.
AND I, I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, BUT AT LEAST AT THE VERY LEAST, AT LEAST TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, THAT'S IT, I THINK THAT LIKE FOR US TO, FOR US TO DEVELOP THAT CORNER AND TO GIVE UP THAT, UH, DID THAT PIECE, UM, WITH THE CURRENT PROJECT THAT'S THERE.
I THINK THAT WE ARE, UM, TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE, THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY LAST I SAID ABOUT IT.
UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU'VE HANDLED IT SO FAR.
HOPEFULLY I'M HANDLING THIS IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY AS WELL, TOO.
IT JUST, WE TALKED ABOUT PIVOTING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
IT KIND OF COMPOUND AND WENT A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
I'M JUST NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF SEVEN PEOPLE UP HERE.
I WISH I COULD SPEAK AS WELL AS CHRIS, OBVIOUSLY I'LL KNOW.
UM, AND GENERALLY I DON'T WAIT INTO THESE DEVELOPMENT CASES, ESPECIALLY IF I DON'T THINK I CAN WIN OR, OR SWAY.
UM, THERE ARE SO MANY RED FLAGS WITH THIS ONE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPERS IS, IS TO DO WITH LEANDER.
AND THE RED FLAGS ARE SAYING, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BAD PROJECT FOR LANDER, BECAUSE LIKE THEY SAID, THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE WRAP PRODUCT.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT WASN'T EVEN BY THE PITCHER, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
SO IF THEY JUST, LIKE CHRIS SAID, IF THEY GET MIRED DOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND GO, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
OR THEY'RE GOING TO COME ASK THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SETTLING WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT LANDOWNER RIGHTS WHERE THINK THIS IS, IS GOING TO COME BACK AND HAUNT, MAYBE NOT THIS COUNCIL, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAUNT SOME GALS IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED YESTERDAY.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S, YOU'RE STARTING OUT WITH, IS IT 40,000 COMMERCIAL? UM, IS THERE THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL
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PROPERTY OR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLANT? CORRECT.ROBIN, YOU WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD 220,218, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S, UM, ABOUT 17 ACRES FOR COMMERCIAL, UM, SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD FIT A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THAT.
AND THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT IN THE POD NOTES, CORRECT.
COMMERCIAL ACREAGE IS IN THE PEN NOTES WITH THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT, WE ONLY HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT, THAT 40,000 IS PART OF.
CAN THAT BE ADDED TO THE NOTES WHERE WE, YES.
IF YOU WANTED TO REQUIRE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COULD BE ADDED.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M THE SAME, I MEAN, I FEEL THE SAME WAY W TH THIS IS, I THINK IT WILL BE A DECENT PROJECT.
BUT IF WE IT'S, IT'S AN EASIER PILL TO SWALLOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE COMMERCIAL TO GO ALONG WITH THE KEVIN.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE COMMERCIAL IS DEPARTMENTS WERE COMING
IF WE BILL 40,000 HOURS TO COME TO GET CEO'S, RIGHT, THE FIRST PHASE HAS TO HAVE 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN, EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS PROPERTY DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL, AND THERE'S ZERO IN FRONT OF THEM.
SO, UM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO, THERE'S SO MANY RED FLAGS, IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE IT IN WRITING THAT THAT IS, THAT, THAT IS THE PLAN.
UM, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE COULD HAVE IT.
I MEAN, I, AGAIN, WE'RE ALL AGAINST THE D THE THREE OF US ARE AGAINST THE, THE DENSITY.
UH, AND IT'S NOT PERSONAL IT'S I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE THAN THAT TOO.
IT'S NOT JUST THE THREE OF US.
I THINK EVERYBODY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN WITH THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON FOR OUR CONFERENCE PLAN, WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM OUR CITIZENS, NOT JUST THE THREE OF US, THIS WAS SOMETHING EVERYBODY SPOKE.
AND IT CLEARLY SAID IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE, THAT WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH BECAUSE OF THE, OVER THE OVERBUILDING OR THE OVER-PLANNING OF THOSE THINGS RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU SPEAK THOUGH TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CHANGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS PART OF THE CONCERN.
SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW IT STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW? UM, THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID ALLOW SOME AMOUNT OF, UM, MULTIFAMILY WITHIN A CENTER.
AND, UM, THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION IN 2020, AND WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT WAS FORMALLY ADOPTED, UM, APRIL 1ST, 2021.
SO THEY WERE KIND OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRANSITION ROBIN, DO WE KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THIS, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S THERE NOW? WHAT ARE THE TAXES THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE UNUSED? IT WOULD INCREASE.
UM, RICK MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE WHEN IT COMES TO LOOK AT THE CALCULATION.
I THINK IT WAS CLOSER TO LOOKING AT THE, DID YOUR CALCULATION OF BOTH SALES AND AVALARA? IT CAME UP TO NINE 50, TOTALLY.
DID THAT, DID THAT NET OUT ONE SECOND, WHEN Y'ALL DID THAT, DID THAT, UM, NET OUT THE CAPITAL METRO PIECE WHEN Y'ALL DID THAT, UM, DID YOU USE OUR CURRENT, IF I CAN, ROBIN, IF I CAN PULL THIS UP ALL DOWN AT THE TABLE, OR IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN SINCE, UM, DAVID STEEL, ERIC DAVIS, WITH CATALYST COMMERCIAL ADDYS AND COLLINS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CATHERINE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE 50% OF 50 PER WHATEVER THE, YEAH, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT YOU CAN GET ON THAT NUMBER, WHETHER YOU HAD MULTIFAMILY VERSUS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RESULTS.
WE USED 1% OF CITY SALES TAX, SO THAT'S CORRECT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SO, AND, AND YOU SEE IT'S 5 61 AND THREE 40 ON THE SALES TAX, 5 61 ON THE PROPERTY TAX.
THE APARTMENT YOU ENTERED IS ABOUT 64 MILLION OF VALUE.
WE THINK AT 200,000 A DOOR, UH, WE'LL COMMIT TO THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER IS COMMITTING TO THE WRAP PRODUCT.
IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FIRE, SAY, NO.
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, IT, IT, IT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO.
SO IT'S A WRAP PRODUCT IS 321 UNITS.
I DON'T KNOW, HIGH END CAN BE SUBJECTIVE.
UM, IT'S AN APPRECIATING ASSET.
I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERN WITH THE CITIZENS, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GARDEN APARTMENTS AFTER 20 YEARS RATIOS NOT CORRECT.
THIS IS AN APPRECIATING ASSET THAT THE DOMAIN APARTMENTS ARE NOT DEPRECIATING.
THEY'RE GONNA APPRECIATE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
THIS IS THAT STYLE AND TYPE AT 64 MILLION.
AND THEY'RE DUMPING A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY SHOULD BE AN APPRECIATING ASSET.
IN ADDITION THAT THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL IS
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A, DEVELOPER'S GOT A PILE OF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.UH, THERE'S NO DOUBT NOW WHETHER IT'S 218,000 OR 198,000 OR 224,000, THAT'S UNKNOWN BECAUSE WE CAN'T START SIGNING LEASES UNTIL WE GET A PUTTER APPROVED.
UM, NOW ONE THING I'LL MENTION JUST IN TERMS OF THE COMP PLAN AND HOW IT DIDN'T FIT THE INTEGRATED MIXED USE PIECE.
AND I REALIZE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE STREET APPEAL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE BACK.
UM, AND NOT TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT JUST A THEORETICAL, IF IT HAD SOMETHING LET'S SAY THE BOTTOM FLOOR WAS SOMETHING LIKE A, I DON'T WANT TO USE, YOU KNOW, THE SHARED WORKSPACE TYPE PRODUCT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ROBIN WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAKE IT FIT CLOSER TO THE GARAGE.
NO, THIS IS AN INTERIOR GARAGE TOWER.
AND THEN TO BE WRAPPED WITH A COURT TO COURTYARD BUILDINGS AROUND, I WAS THINKING A FULLY INTEGRATED, MIXED USE PRODUCT AND THE, AND THE COMP PLAN.
BUT I'M JUST, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AT THE DIFFERENTIAL, FROM GOING FROM GARDEN TO THEN STRUCTURED PARKING TO THEN THE COMP PLAN.
AND ONE OTHER PIECE THAT MIGHT MAKE IT CLOSER.
THE VERTICAL INTEGRATED, MIXED USE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A SALES CENTER DOWNSTAIRS.
THERE'LL BE UP A COMMON AREA DOWNSTAIRS FOR THE TENANTS.
THEY'LL BE PROBABLY, UH, UH, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A WORKOUT SPACE AND SO FORTH.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE DOWN? WE HAVE A LITTLE RETAIL SPACE.
HAVE WE HAVE WORKSPACE? SO THERE IS SOME SHARED WORKSPACE.
THERE'S 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITY ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU KNOW, RETAIL OR DO THE APARTMENT DEVELOPER.
WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THAT SPOT? OH, SORRY.
CAN YOU COME UP PLEASE? SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, I GUESS WE HAVE TO BUILD, THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO HIT, I HAVE TO HIT THE MIC TO BUILD.
UH, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS SITE? TELL ME WHAT I'M WARREN HAYES, BY THE WAY, I LIVE TWO MILES EAST OF THE SITE ON HIGHWAY 29.
SO I'M LOCAL TO MY, MY CELL STACK DOLLARS COMING ON WITH TAX TOURISTS.
I CAN'T WAIT THE BIGGEST BILL.
SO THE, THE, UM, WE SEEK SUPERIOR SITES, UH, KNOW YOU'LL AND THAT'S A SPRINKLER SITE.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT A MAJOR INTERSECTION.
WE WERE SO EXCITED BY WHOLE THING IS EXCITED ABOUT IT.
IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE IT'S GREAT.
I MEAN, I NEED THESE GUYS TO DO WAY MORE THAN 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
WELL REALLY WITH THE PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE 40,000 FOR THE, THE APARTMENT START, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN ITALIAN PARKER STATED DO TO HAVE SOMETHING, CAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE PLANS LOOK LIKE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT WRITTEN IN THE NOTES, UM, OF WHAT, AND I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH IT BEING A WINDOW AND NOT HOG TIME TO A SPECIFIC SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THEIR NOTES AND THE POD NOTES SPECIFICALLY.
SO THERE'S SOME, SO THERE'S SOME ACCOUNTABILITY THERE.
YOU REPRESENT THE COMMERCIAL STRATEGY, CORRECT? WE DO.
MY NAME IS SHAQUILLE AND I'M THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THE TRACT, THE COMMERCIAL STRATEGIES, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STACK FULL OF, UH, LOI SITTING ON OUR DESK TO START WITH ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, MAINLY RETAIL AND QSRS AND RESTAURANTS AND SO FORTH.
NATIONAL NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED NAMES.
AS FAR AS THE MEN, WE STARTED THIS, THE HORIZONTAL MIXED USE WAS ALLOWED, I BELIEVE.
AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS, THE ZONING CASE IN, IT WAS 60 ODD PERCENT FOR RETAIL AND 40 FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND THEN IT WENT TO 75, HEY GARAGE.
NOW WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, SO I WOULD SAY, UM, AS FAR AS THE LAND, THE LOCATIONS THERE, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH WHAT I DID, UM, ABIDING WITH THE COURT IN EXISTENCE AT THE TIME.
AND WE APPLIED FOR THE ZONING.
UM, I MEAN, I'D BE OPEN TO IT, BUT I, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MAINLY RETAILS AND, UH, AND OFFICE AND, AND, AND SCHOOLS THAT'D BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THROW ABOUT THE TIMBER, TO BE HONEST.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP IT ANY EMPTY.
I MEAN, MAJORITY OF THIS LAND COMMERCIAL LAND WILL BE FILTERED OUT IF NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT BEFORE, BEFORE WARREN OR OTHER PEOPLE CAN GET HER LOVE ANY, ANY MULTI-FAMILY.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU ABOUT THAT.
AND YOU CAN PUT THIS IN MINUTES THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE SAID THE PHASE ONE IS 40,000, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS PROBABLY EVEN MORE, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT 50,000, I WOULD PREFER THAT VERSUS SETTING 150,000 SQUARE FEET, BECAUSE YOU KNOW,
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SOME, SOME USERS ARE MORE INTENSE.THE DAYCARES ARE, ARE SMALLER SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT, BUT IT CAN BE, UM, UH, WE CAN MAKE IT A PHASE ONE EVEN LARGER IF YOU GUYS WANT IT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING IS WITHOUT A TENANT MIX, WITHOUT KNOWING A TENANT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, IS KIND OF AN ODD NUMBER.
WHAT IF, UH, IF A CHICKEN AND PICKLE COMES IN CHICKEN AND PICKLE IS, UH, IS AN OUTDOOR, UH, IT'S PICKLEBALL COURTS AND A RESTAURANT, BUT IT'S MOSTLY PICKLEBALL COURTS, NO SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT, BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF LAND, BUT SAME CONCEPT, DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT MAY ONLY BE A 5,000 FOOT RESTAURANT WITH, YOU KNOW, ON AN ACRE AND A HALF OF LAND OR TWO ACRES OF LAND.
SO IT'S HARD TO KNOW IF YOU WANT A COMMITMENT OF 50,000 FEET.
BUT YOU SAID YOU HAD A BUNCH OF LOS ON YOUR DESK.
WE CAN'T SIGN THEM UNTIL WE HAVE A PUDDLE, BUT YOU GOT SOME IDEA.
THAT'S 218,000 IS OUR IDEA OF ABOUT WHERE WE US FOR 218,000.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, WELL, I MEAN, I, CAN, WE HAVE AN LOI FOR A BIG CHUNK.
THEY TALKED ABOUT LIKE, I KNOW THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT YOU MENTIONED.
YOU MENTIONED SOME, SOME RESTAURANTS OF DIFFERENT CALIBERS, UH, PLACES TO SIT DOWN, PROBABLY NEW.
YOU ALSO MENTORED A MONTESSORI SCHOOL OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I REMEMBER.
AND SO FOR ME THAT I WAS SAYING, IT'S LIKE THAT DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE COMPLETELY THERE, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS VERY PROBABLE.
THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, I CAN SEE THOSE THINGS HAPPENING THERE.
SO DID THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I PROMISED THAT I WOULD STOP AWAY, BUT RESTAURANTS ARE A BIG NUMBER, AGAIN, RESTAURANT SIZES, HOW MUCH PATIO SPACE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE.
WE JUST WENT TO THE GROVE, UH, AT FIVE 30 THIS AFTERNOON, THERE WAS A HALF HOUR WAIT.
UH, THE GROVE IS NOT THAT MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S A BIG, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE ACCIDENT, THE TAX GENERATION AND THE FOOTPRINT, IT SITS ON, IT'S A PRETTY BIG LAND FOOTPRINT.
SO THAT CAN CHANGE THAT 218,000.
HERE'S THE THERE'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ON THE SCREEN OF CURRENTLY LAID OUT AND HOW IT'S BEING MARKETED RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S ROUGHLY TWO QSRS AND TWO FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS RIGHT NOW, JUST ROUGHLY, PROBABLY THREE FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS AND ONE TO TWO QSR IT'S SURPRISING AND WE'RE GETTING MORE HITS ON THE FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS, SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, UM, THEN WE AREN'T ON THE, ON THE QSRS AND A BANK OR TWO, UH, WHICH COULD BE ONE OF THOSE QSR SPOTS.
RIGHT? UM, WELL, HOPEFULLY NOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, I MEAN IN A PERFECT WORLD, YEAH.
YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT A BANK IN THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF A RIGHT STRUCTURE BUILDING.
AND I ALSO WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT, UH, ANY IN MAYBE AS YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SQUARE FOOT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT UP, IT'S JUST AN LOI.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THE TOP ONES.
I MEAN, WE HAVE COMPETING OFFERS TO SOME OF THE PARCELS ALREADY.
UM, BUT, UM, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM AS SOON AS THIS HEARING GETS DONE FROM TOMORROW AND START WORKING ON IT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY COMMENTS DIDN'T DISTRACT AS FAR AS LIKE THE COMMERCIAL, LIKE YES, WE'RE AWESOME.
BUT THAT, THAT SIZE COMMERCIAL TOO, TO GO TO A PRODUCT THAT WE WERE, UM, THAT WE JUST HAD, UH, VERY MANY, VERY MUCH, NOT, NOT FOR THIS, BUT FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THAT MANY EMOTIONS ABOUT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS LIKE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL, FOR THAT AMOUNT OF THINGS.
IS THAT, IS THAT A GOOD GIVE AND TAKE IN THE PRECEDENT THAT IT'S GOING TO SET FOR FUTURE PEOPLE COMING TO US? THIS ISN'T YOU GUYS, THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT I'M PROBABLY SEEING THE MOST NEGATIVE TOWARDS THIS RIGHT NOW, AND I'M NOT NEGATIVE TOWARDS YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT, UM, THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO SET FOR WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GET AFTER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH.
SO WHEN WE PUT A REQUIREMENT OF A HUNDRED PERCENT GARAGE PARKING, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR THAT COST WITH THE DENSITY IT'S, THAT WOULD BE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ITS OWN MULTIFAMILY, NOT FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO REZONE TO, TO MULTI-FAMILY, THAT'S THE CONCERN THERE FOR ME, WE WE'VE BEEN IN VERY IMPRESSED WORKING WITH THIS DEVELOPER.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, UM, INTERNALLY THEY'D BEEN WILLING TO ESSENTIALLY COMMIT TO EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THE CITY'S REQUESTED.
UM, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT, UH, VOLUNTEERED TO ADD SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, VOLUNTARILY.
SO I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WORKING WITH US, AND I THINK DEMONSTRATING THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT AND WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, ACHIEVE EVERYTHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THIS AS, AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE.
IF I COULD ADD, IF I CAN ADD ONE THING, JASON, I W W WE'RE ON AN HOURLY PIECE.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OWNERSHIP IN THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY BROKERAGE FEES IN THIS.
WE'RE JUST WORKING ON AN HOURLY BASIS TO HELP THE DEVELOPERS PUSH THINGS THROUGH.
WHEN I SAID THAT, I WANT YOU TO HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FIRE, IF, OR, OR WARREN'S FEET TO THE FIRE TO BUILD WHAT HE SAID.
I MEAN THAT BECAUSE I LIVE IN JONESTOWN ON THE JOHNSTOWN CITY COUNCIL, MY, MY REPUTATION'S AT IT STATE CARE.
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WITH SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT THEY PROMISED, I'M GOING TO BE ON HIM.SO, AND YOU SHOULD BE ON THEM TOO.
UM, SO, UH, AND FINALLY, THE DENSITY ISSUE IS 321 UNITS ON 330 ON 32 ACRES, IT'S 10 PER 10 PER ACRE.
IT'S NOT, CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE, IF HER CONSUMERS OF WATER USE AND YOU ACTUALLY PROVED THAT IT TAKES MORE WATER TO DO THAT THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU WOULD LOVE TO PLAN YOUR PROJECT BY 20? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR 148 SINGLE FAMILY IS.
I JUST FINISHED THIS YESTERDAY.
AFTER TALKING WITH GINA HERE'S 321 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS BASED ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME USING 363 TO 425 GALLONS PER DAY.
I USE 360 3, THE LOW END OF THAT, BECAUSE 148 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE GOING TO BE SMALLER.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE 4,000 FOOTERS APARTMENTS.
YOU MODEL AT 60 TO 70%, I USE 60% BECAUSE I'M MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE LESS USE THAN THIS BECAUSE SO MANY, TWO THIRDS OF THESE ARE ONE BEDROOM.
IF YOU RUN THAT ON YOUR MODELING OF GALLONS PER DAY, YOU'RE AT 69,000 OR 70,000, LET'S SAY ON THE MULTI-FAMILY AND AROUND 50 OR 54,000 ON THE SINGLE FAMILY.
HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, YOUR NUMBERS ARE 3.3.
YOU MODEL IT 3.3, SIX PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD ON A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT.
WE KNOW THAT OUR MIX ON THESE ARE GOING TO BE A 420 FOOT FOOT STUDIO IS GOING TO HAVE ONE RESIDENT IN A ONE BEDROOM.
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THAT ONE AND A HALF, SOME SINGLES, SOME DOUBLES, TWO BEDROOM, TWO RESIDENTS, THREE BEDROOM, THREE RESIDENTS.
SO IF YOU ADD THOSE UP, THERE'S 504 PEOPLE IN THAT MULTIFAMILY 321 UNITS.
IF WE WERE TO BUILD 148 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AT ONE TIME, THAT'S 451 PEOPLE.
WHEN YOU MULTIPLY THOSE TIMES 117 GALLONS PER DAY, THOSE ARE YOUR NUMBERS.
SO A LITTLE OFF, UH, ALMOST THE SAME WATER USAGE.
WHY? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE IRRIGATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH SINGLE FAMILY.
YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE HOSE BIBS OUTSIDE.
UH, AND WE KNOW THAT 90% OF YOUR NEW, UH, ACCORDING TO GINA'S PRESENTATION, LAST TIME HAVE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS OF YOUR NEW HOMES.
SO IF YOU'RE BASING IT ON POPULATION, THERE'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 148 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH 3.36 PEOPLE IN THEM.
AND THESE 67%, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS IN STUDIOS, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME.
SO IF IT'S, IF THE WATER USAGE, ISN'T THIS HUGE DELTA, AND I GUESS I WOULD SHOW YOU WHAT, WHAT 148 HOMES ON.
HERE'S A, HERE'S WHAT 148 SMALL SMALLER HOMES LOOK LIKE, COMPARE THAT TO THIS AND THAT COMPARED TO THIS, YOU SEE THE GREEN SPACE RIGHT IN HERE.
TO ME, IT'S MORE DENSE IF YOU WILL, WITH SINGLE FAMILY, NO SHARED WALLS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING VERTICAL IN HERE.
YOU'RE GOING FIVE STORIES VERTICAL.
SO YOU END UP WITH MORE GREEN SPACE, THE PICTURE AND THE 1 48 YOU HAD, GREENSPACE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THERE TOO.
UM, I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DETENTION.
I'VE GOTTEN DETENTION OVER HERE.
I'M PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO LOSE SOME OF THESE UNITS RIGHT IN HERE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DETENTION.
THERE IS SOME GREEN SPACE IN HERE.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S ENOUGH TO MEET REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE PERSON THAT LAID THIS OUT, BUT YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO A IMPERVIOUS COVER CALCULATION.
AND ACCORDING TO THE, THE OTHER WAY THAT RAN THIS, IT MEANT IT MEANT Y'ALL'S IMPERVIOUS COVER CALCULATIONS.
HOWEVER, UH, THIS HAS GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR SIDE AREA, 620,000 FEET, AND YOUR PERVIOUS IS 400,000.
SO IT'S AT A 6%, YOU KNOW, IT'S FAIRLY HIGH PERVIOUS COVER OR IMPERVIOUS COVER IS FAIRLY LOW.
IF YOU WILL, A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.
SO GREEN SPACE, MORE GREEN SPACE, NOT ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE IN WATER USAGE, UM, I HIGH-END PRODUCT THAT GENERATES 64 MILLION OF A TAXABLE VALUE AND IT'S APPRECIATING ASSET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR ARGUMENT FOR WHY THE PRO DENSITY AND IT'S 10 UNITS PER ACRE, AS A REMINDER, COUNSEL, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS EXACTLY AS IT IS.
IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, FEEL FREE.
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I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CHANGING THE MINIMUM TO 50,000 AND ALSO WORKING WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT SOME SORT OF REASONABLE AMOUNT TO MAKE SURE THAT ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL GOOD SPELT.SO THE, THE SECOND PART, ARE YOU WANTING, ARE YOU WANTING THAT TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OR, OKAY.
I GUESS THAT'S YOU JUST WANT US TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL APPROVAL? YEAH.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? SO THERE, SHE WAS SAYING 50,000 WITH THE FIRST PHASE AND THEN WORK WITH STAFF ON A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A COMMERCIAL OR SOME SORT OF VARIATION, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADDITIONAL GETS BUILT, BUT NOT, AND WHATEVER STAFF FEELS LIKE IS THE APPROPRIATE.
AND IF IT DOES NEED TO COME BACK, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH FIGURING OUT WITH Y'ALL WORKING THAT OUT.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? I MEAN, I, I CAN BE, UM, IF IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE, WE CAN BRING IT BACK.
IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S AN AGREEABLE NUMBER.
I CAN WORK WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS? THIS IS THE SECOND.
SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE COMING UP WITH A NUMBER, BUT IF WE DON'T AGREE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, OPPOSED PASSES FOUR TO THREE.
[20. Accept the Long Range Water Supply Study prepared and presented by Black & Veatch.]
20.EXCEPT THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY STUDY PREPARED AND PRESENTED BY BLACK AND VTECH.
INTERIM CITY ENGINEER BLACK LETTER WILL COME FORWARD.
OH, I THINK IT'S ALEX, NOT DANIEL.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, ROSS IS OUT SICK.
SO I'LL MAKE THE, A QUICK INTRODUCTION FOR, UH, FOR THE CONSULTANT AND, UH, LAUREN, UH, COME ON UP AND PRESENT YOUR, UH, YOUR FINDINGS GOOD EVENING.
AND SO TO PROGRESS THIS THING, THERE WE GO.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, MY NAME IS LAUREN GONZALEZ.
UH, WE'RE PLEASED TO BE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A SUMMARY OF OUR PRESENTATION OF OUR LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY STUDY.
UM, THE PROJECT, THIS PROJECT BEGAN IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR, AND WE PROVIDED AN OVERVIEW TO YOU ALL, UM, TO THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY OF THIS PAST YEAR OR OF THIS YEAR, UH, RIGHT AFTER WINTER STORM URI.
A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
UM, IT'S MY HOPE THAT THIS PRESENTATION PROVIDES SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU ALL CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON YOUR WATER SUPPLY INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'LL FIRST PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT GOALS BACKGROUND, UM, GO INTO THE PROJECT OVERVIEW AND SUMMARY, AND THEN PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RESULTS OF THE DETAILED EVALUATION OF VARIOUS WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS, AND THEN GO INTO THE REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO VERY WELL AWARE THERE IS SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN LEANDER NOW, AND ALSO PLAN TO PROJECTED INTO THE FUTURE.
AND THE CITY HAS DONE A VERY, A COMMENDABLE JOB OF PLANNING FOR THAT FUTURE AND MEETING THAT CHALLENGE HEAD-ON OF PROVIDING FOR WATER SUPPLY, UM, TO MEET THAT GROWTH.
AND AS SUCH THE CITY IS CONSIDERING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH EXPANDING YOUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEREFORE THE CITY RETAINED BLACK AND BEACH TO PREPARE THE CITY'S FIRST LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN, UM, TO SERVE AS THE BASIS FOR DETERMINING THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE WATER SUPPLIES TO MEET DEMANDS OF FULL OUT WITHIN THE CITY'S SURFACE AREA.
SO DETERMINED THAT TO DETERMINE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THESE PROJECT GOALS, WHICH WERE TO FIRST IDENTIFY THE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS FOR LEANDER,
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AND THAT WAS REALLY IDENTIFYING OR DETERMINING WHAT THE CITY'S GOALS AND PRIORITIES ARE WITH TO, UM, IS, IS IT MORE VALUABLE TO HAVE DIVERSIFICATION OF WATER SUPPLY SOURCES OR WEIGHING THE RISK OF SINGLE SOURCES OF WATER SUPPLY, AND THEN CONSIDERING CAPACITY LONGEVITY, RELIABILITY, WATER, QUALITY CONSIDERATIONS, AND COST AND AFFORDABILITY GOALS.AND THEN WE GATHERED VARIOUS WATER SUPPLY ALTERNATIVES, CONSIDERED THEM, AND THEN EVALUATED THEM BASED ON THOSE GOALS THAT WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO DETERMINE.
SO, FIRST OFF, THIS WAS A GENERAL DIAGRAM OF HOW THE, THE PROCESS OF THE STUDY WENT.
UH, WE HAD SIX ACTIVITIES AND THE FIRST WAS TO GATHER DATA AND INFORMATION.
AND THE SECOND WAS TO ESTABLISH THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS, RELIABILITY, AND COST, AND SO FORTH, AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT THE PROJECT, UH, THE PROJECTED POPULATION WOULD BE AT FULL BUILD-OUT, WHICH IS IN 2070.
AND THEN BASED ON THAT POPULATION, WHAT ARE THE ESTIMATED WATER DEMANDS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH YEAR OF THAT POPULATION GROWTH AND THEN GATHERING THOSE HIGH-LEVEL ALTERNATIVES, EVALUATING THEM ON A HIGH-LEVEL BASIS, SORT OF LIKE A SCREENING EVALUATION, UM, BASED ON THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS, AND THEN PERFORMING A DETAILED EVALUATION OF JUST A SELECT FEW NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVES, AND THEN DEVELOPING THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY REPORT, WHICH IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKETS.
SO JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON LANDER'S EXISTING WATER SUPPLY, I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER SUPPLY, UM, BUT JUST TO RECAP REALLY FAST, THE CITY OF LEANDER GETS RAW WATER FROM LAKE TRAVIS, WHICH, UM, IS LAKE TRAVIS.
ALL THE WATER RIGHTS ARE OWNED BY THE LCRA, THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY.
SO THERE'S A CONTRACT BETWEEN LEANDER AND LCRA TO PURCHASE 24,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR OF RAW WATER.
IT'S NOT WATER RIGHTS BECAUSE LCRA OWNS THOSE WATER RIGHTS.
AND SO IT'S FOUR, IT AUTHORIZES MUNICIPAL USES.
AND THEN ALSO LCRA HAS AN INTERFACE AND TRANSFER PERMITS, UM, WITH THE TCEQ, WHICH ALLOWS LEANDER TO TRANSFER 24,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
THE SAME AMOUNT THIS IN YOUR CONTRACT BETWEEN THE COLORADO BASIN AND THE BREASTS OF SPACE, BECAUSE YOUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS ARE IN THE BREASTS RIVER BASIN.
THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT? SO THERE ARE TWO WATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
CURRENTLY THE CITY OF LANDER RELIES UPON THE FIRST IS THE SANDY CREEK WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THIS ONE IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND IT'S OPERATED BY THE BRAZOS RIVER AUTHORITY.
THE SECOND, AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR IS THE BCR UA, BRUSHY CREEK, REGIONAL UTILITY AUTHORITY, WHICH IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY BCR UA, WHICH IS A CONSORTIUM OF THE CITIES OF LEANDER, ROUNDROCK AND CEDAR.
AND SO THE CITY OF LEANDER HAS ABOUT A 42% STAKE IN THE BCR UA AND AS SUCH, UM, THE CURRENT CAPACITY FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER IS ABOUT 15.1 MGD THAT IS CONSIDERING THAT'S, UH, AN ANNUAL DAILY AVERAGE.
UM, BUT THE TOTAL WATER SHAMAN PLANT CAPACITY OF THE BCR UAE IS 32.5.
SO THAT'S THE 42% OF THE 32.5 IS THE 15.1 MGD.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING WATER FACILITIES, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 25.1 MGD OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS GETS KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE THIS IS A WATER SUPPLY PLAN.
IT'S AIMED AT FIGURING OUT WHERE YOUR SUPPLIES ARE GOING TO COME FROM, AND THEN THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE FACILITIES SORT OF FOLLOW.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS NOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE LONG RANGE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.
THIS IS A LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN.
SO, UM, ANOTHER IMPORTANT DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT, UM, THE FACILITIES ARE LISTED IN MGD MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
WHEREAS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE WATER SUPPLY, WE'RE TALKING AN ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
UM, ALSO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REPORT, WE USE A PEAK FACTOR, A PEAKING FACTOR OF TWO.
SO IF YOU CHANGE THE PEAKING FACTOR, IF YOU CHANGE VARIOUS ASSUMPTIONS, SORT OF THE, THE PROJECTIONS, UH, SORT OF LIKE, UM, HURRICANE, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT A PEAKING FACTOR IS? UH, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT, UM, IT'S SORT OF LIKE IN ANY GIVEN DAY YOU MIGHT BE USING A WATER TREATMENT
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PLANT MIGHT HAVE, UM, 20 MGD OF DEMANDS IN THAT PARTICULAR DAY, BUT WHEN YOU SPREAD OUT JUST THE AVERAGE, UH, USE, UM, OVER A PERIOD OF A YEAR, IT MAY BE MORE LIKE 10 AND SHEEDY.SO BASICALLY YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE MULTIPLIED TIMES TWO, AND THE TWO IS THE PEAKING FACTOR.
SO EXISTING WATER FACILITIES, WE'VE GOT SANDY CREEK AT 10 MG, D I B C R U A AT 15.
SO ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS THE EXISTING FACILITIES AND THE HISTORIC WATER SURFACE ELEVATIONS IN LAKE TRAVIS.
THAT WAS A QUESTION AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING.
THE SANDY CREEK BARGE MINIMUM INTAKE LEVEL IS 618 FEET MEAN SEA LEVEL.
SO THAT'S THIS ORANGE LINE THAT'S STRAIGHT, THAT GOES ACROSS.
OF COURSE THE SANDY CREEK BARS HAS NOT BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1942, BUT WE CAN JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS.
UM, AND SO THE, THE BLUE AREA FILLED, UH, INDICATES THE MINIMUM ANNUAL WATER SURFACE ELEVATION OVER THE RECORDED PERIOD.
AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE THREE SIGNIFICANT DROPS IN WATER, SOLAR SURFACE ELEVATION SINCE 1942.
THE WAS IN THE EARLY FIFTIES, THE SECOND WAS IN THE SIXTIES.
AND THE THIRD IS THE ONE IN KIND OF LODGED IN EVERYBODY'S MINDS RIGHT NOW IN OUR, IN OUR MEMORIES, UH, 2009 TO 2014.
AND SO IN THE MOST RECENT EVENT, THAT IS WHEN THE WATER SURFACE ELEVATION CAME JUST INCHES AWAY FROM HITTING THE MINIMUMS WATER SURFACE ELEVATION FOR, UM, THE SANDY CREEK BARGE, UM, AND THE GRAY LINE, THE GRAY DOTTED DASHED LINE.
WE HAVE THE PERCENT FULL OF THE LAKE, UH, CONSERVATION POOL.
THAT'S JUST SORT OF SHOWING YOU, UM, UH, YEAH, THE PERCENT FULL OF THE RESERVOIR.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT LAKE TRAVIS AND LAKE BUCHANAN ARE OPERATED AS A SYSTEM.
SO FOR, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS, I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL WATER SURFACE ELEVATIONS FOR LAKE TRAVIS BEAUTY.
AND ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SO FAR? OKAY.
SO JUST, JUST A QUICK RECAP OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
SO WE ESTABLISHED THE LEVEL OF LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS AND, AND IN, UM, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, THE MAJOR GOALS WERE THAT WERE DECIDED UPON WERE TO HAVE A RELIABLE LONG-TERM WATER SUPPLY OPTION AT A REASONABLE COST.
AND SO RELIABILITY AND COST WERE CONSIDERED TO BE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS IS WHAT FED INTO THE REST OF OUR EVALUATION.
AGAIN, THIS WORK WAS DONE IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR.
SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
UM, BUT THAT, THIS IS SORT OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE THAT GUIDED WHERE WE'VE GONE WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS PLAN, THIS IS STEP THREE, WAS TO PROJECT POPULATIONS THROUGH 2070.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT HISTORICAL ESTIMATES, UM, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, ESTIMATES THAT WERE DEVELOPED BY THE CITY OF LANDER AND ESTIMATED, UM, PROJECTED POPULATION AT FULL BUILD OUT WITHIN THE POTENTIAL FUTURE, UM, SERVICE AREA AND BY POTENTIAL FUTURE SERVICE AREA.
WE'RE CONSIDERING THE CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY THAT SO USUALLY UNDER, CURRENTLY HOLDS THAT'S THE AREA.
SO 20 10, 20 6,000 INDIVIDUALS BY 20 20, 70 1020, 7,220 5,000.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL BASED OFF OF HISTORICAL DATA.
UM, SINCE THIS DATA FROM 2020, IT'S NOT INCORPORATED IN HERE, UM, BECAUSE THAT DATA WAS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THAT THESE WERE DEVELOPED.
SO BASED ON THOSE, THOSE POPULATION PROJECTIONS, WE CAN THEN ESTIMATE DEMANDS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO YOUR CURRENT AVAILABILITY AND BY AVAILABILITY, I MEAN, YOUR WATER SUPPLY CONTRACT WITH THE CITY WITH, UH, LCRA IS 24,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, AND YOUR NEEDS, UM, ARE 13,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
SO THEN THE SHORTFALL, UH, WOULD BE, UH, BEGINS IN 2032.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A TOTAL SHORTFALL OF ABOUT 13,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
AND THAT'S JUST BASICALLY, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOUR AVAILABILITY IS, UM, MINUS YOUR DEMANDS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, SO, UM, WE USED THE NEEDS OF 13,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, AS THE BASIS FOR DETERMINING WHICH WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS
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COULD SATISFY THOSE NEEDS OF 13,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.AND SO AGAIN, UH, THE NEXT STEP THAT WE, WE DID ONCE WE PROJECTED THE WATER DEMANDS WAS TO THEN DO A HIGH LEVEL SCREENING EVALUATION OF MANY SUPPLY ALTERNATIVES.
AND SO AGAIN, WE LOOKED BACK TO, UM, OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF ESTABLISHING THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS OF COST AND RELIABILITY.
AND WE DEVELOPED A SCREENING MATRIX TO QUANTIFY, UM, THE, THE ABILITY FOR EACH OF THESE WATER SUPPLY ALTERNATIVES TO MEET RELIABILITY COST AND FEASIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO RELIABILITY AND COSTS WERE CONSIDERED AT TO HAVE A WEIGHT OF 40% AND FEASIBILITY OF A WEIGHT OF 20%.
AND AGAIN, THAT REFLECTS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE GOALS.
AND SO FOR THE HIGH LEVEL SUPPLY ALTERNATIVES EVALUATION, THERE WERE MANY OPTIONS THAT WERE CONSIDERED ULTIMATELY SEVEN ALTERNATIVES WERE CHOSEN, UM, TO CONSIDER FOR THIS HIGH LEVEL SCREENING EVALUATION.
AND THESE SEVEN ARE LISTED HERE AND THEY INCLUDE, UM, EXPANDING YOUR LAKE TRAVIS SUPPLY, WHICH IS THE BCR UA OPTION.
THE SECOND IS EXPANDING LAKE TRAVIS SUPPLY BY EXPANDING THE SANDY CREEK WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THE THIRD IS PURSUING GROUNDWATER DEVELOPMENT FROM THE CREDO WILCOX AQUIFER, WHICH IS ABOUT 60 MILES TO YOUR EAST.
THE FOURTH IS, UH, OBTAINING SURFACE WATER FROM THE BRAZOS RIVER AUTHORITY LAKE SYSTEM.
THE FIFTH IS PURSUING REGIONAL OPTIONS IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH FOLKS LIKE THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN OR AUSTIN.
THE SIXTH IS PURSUING AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY OR ASR.
AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT, A BANKING ACCOUNT, UM, WHERE YOU SORT OF, YOU STILL TREAT THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER DURING PERIODS WHEN THE DEMANDS ARE LOW AND YOU NEST UP THAT WATER AWAY IN AN UNDERGROUND AQUIFER.
UM, AND THEN DURING PERIODS OF DROUGHT, WHEN YOU CAN'T, UM, GET WATER AS READILY, YOU CAN TAP INTO THAT ASR SYSTEM AND USE IT TO, TO OVERCOME ANY SHORTFALLS.
AND SO ASR IS A NEW AND UPCOMING, NOT NEW AND UPCOMING.
IT IS A MORE FREQUENTLY CONSIDERED OPTION IN TEXAS.
UM, AND THE THING ABOUT ASR THOUGH, IS IT'S NOT A NEW SOURCE OF SUPPLY.
IT'S A SAVINGS ACCOUNT IT'S USING YOUR EXISTING SUPPLY AVAILABILITY AND JUST SORT OF STASHING IT AWAY WHEN, DURING PERIODS OF DROUGHT EMERGENCY FUND, I'M SORRY, EMERGENCY FUND.
THE SEVENTH OPTION THAT WE CONSIDERED WAS POTABLE REUSE AND THAT'S DIRECT POTABLE REUSE, MEANING YOUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATS WASTEWATER.
AND THEN INSTEAD OF DISCHARGING IT INTO BRUSHY CREEK, THEN YOU TREAT IT TO A, UH, A MUCH HIGHER, UM, USING HEIGHT ADVANTAGE IT'S TREATMENT TECHNOLOGIES.
YOU TREAT IT TO A HIGHER QUALITY, SO IT'S POTABLE, POTABLE DRINKING WATER.
AND SO WE CONSIDERED THAT FOR THE LANDER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND ALSO FOR YOUR TREVISO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
THERE WERE A FEW OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE CONSIDERED, BUT ULTIMATELY DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, CITY STAFF DECIDED TO GO WITH THESE SEVEN, UM, AND THOSE INCLUDED, CONSIDERING THINGS LIKE AN OFF CHANNEL RESERVOIR WITH REUSE, UM, NEARLY ENTER AND DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND CONSERVATION, UM, AND BY DEMAND MANAGEMENT, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A NEW SOURCE OF SUPPLY, BUT IT LOWERS YOUR DEMAND, UM, BY HAVING THINGS LIKE CONSERVATION INITIATIVES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, TO SORT OF EXTEND THE TIMELINE WHEN THE, WHEN WATER WOULD ACTUALLY BE NEEDED.
AND I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION COULD BE INTERIM WATER AGREEMENTS.
SO THAT, THAT COULD BE LIKE THE STOP GAP MEASURE, KIND OF LIKE A BRIDGE LOAN.
MAYBE IF WE'RE TALKING IN MONEY TERMS, UM, WHERE YOU CAN BORROW WATER, PURCHASE WATER FROM A NEARBY CITIES WHO DON'T, WHO HAVE THE SUPPLY, BUT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE DEMANDS.
SO KIND OF BRIDGING THAT GAP, RIGHT? SO THESE WERE THE SEVEN THAT WERE CONSIDERED IN THE HIGH LEVEL SCREENING EVALUATION.
UH, WE EVALUATED THEM BASED ON FEASIBILITY, RELIABILITY, AND COST.
AND THEN BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THAT FOUR ALTERNATIVES WERE SELECTED FOR DETAILED EVALUATION.
AND THESE ARE THE FOUR THAT WERE SELECTED, UM, EXPAND LIKE TRAVIS SUPPLY, WHICH IS THE BCRA PROJECT.
NUMBER TWO IS EXPANDED LIKE TRAVIS SUPPLY, UM, BY EXPANDING THE SANDY CREEK WATER TREATMENT PLANT IN MARCH THE IS CRUSOE GROUNDWATER DEVELOPMENT.
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IS OBTAINING SURFACE WATER FROM THE BRA LAKE SYSTEM.SO IT'S WORTH NOTING HERE THAT, UM, THESE WERE THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WERE SELECTED BY CITY STAFF TO PURSUE FOR THE DETAILED EVALUATION FOR US TO, TO EVALUATE IN A DETAILED WAY, UM, PORTFOLIO OPTIONS ARE WE'RE AN ALTERNATIVE AND BY PORTFOLIO, I MEAN, ANY SELECTION OF MULTIPLE WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS THAT COULD BE EVALUATED AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT THE BCRA PROJECT ONE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN BCR UA PROJECTS, PLUS CONCEPT, PATIENT DEMAND MANAGEMENT, PLUS RECLAIMED USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, YEAH, BASED ON THE DETAILED EVALUATION, WE HAD TO SELECT A BASELINE OPTION AND THE BASELINE OPTION WAS, IS NOT BY ANY MEANS, MEANT TO BE A RECOMMENDATION OR EVEN AN ALTERNATIVE.
IT WAS REALLY TO TAKE ALL THOSE FOUR OPTIONS AND, AND STRIP THEM DOWN TO, OKAY, WHAT IS THE, THE BASELINE MODEL KIND OF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A CAR WE'VE STRIPPED OUT LIKE THE MIDNIGHT PACKAGE AND THE ACCESSIBILITY PACKAGE OF A CAR, AND IT'S JUST, THIS IS THE MSRP OF THE CAR, AND WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT, NOT RECOMMENDING THAT AT ALL.
SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE BASELINE OPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DOING AT SANDY CREEK WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS 10 MGD AND CURRENTLY DOING AT THE BCR UA WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS 15.1 MGD, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM SUPPLY FROM LCRA CONTRACT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO COVER THAT? AND IT'S 14,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
SO WHILE YOU HAVE A CONTRACT FOR 24,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, IF YOU WERE TO MAXIMIZE YOUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'RE STILL ONLY USING 14,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR OF THE CONTRACT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THIS WAS OUR WAY OF STANDARDIZING OPTIONS, A B, C, AND D FOR THE DETAILED EVALUATION, BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT COSTS.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO EVALUATE THE COST OF GROUNDWATER DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE IT NOT CONSIDERED THE BCR UAE PHASE TWO WHEN, UH, THE BCR UAA PHASE, THE BCR UA, UM, OPTION OF ALTERNATIVE A ALREADY CONSIDERS OPTION TWO, UH, IN IT.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DOUBLE COUNT.
WE WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE COSTS AND SAY APPLES TO APPLES, TO APPLES, NOT APPLES TO RANK TANS OR SOMETHING.
SO BASED ON THAT BASELINE OPTION, SORT OF ADDING ON EACH OF THESE ALTERNATIVES, UM, THE, THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF THE DETAILED EVALUATION, AND I CAN WALK, WALK US THROUGH EACH OF THESE.
SO WITH THE LAKE TRAVIS BCR UA PROJECT, IT STILL HAS THE RISK OF HAVING JUST A SINGLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY.
THAT'S STILL SOME AMOUNT OF RELIABILITY ISSUES AND VULNERABILITY TO DROUGHT.
THERE ARE SHARED CONSORTIUM OR SHARED COSTS.
UM, JUST, JUST FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S A CONSORTIUM, WHICH HAS BENEFICIAL.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALL ARE ALSO DOWNSIDES TO THAT BECAUSE IT, BY HAVING A CONSORTIUM, YOU TAKE OUT A LOT OF THAT LOCAL CONTROL THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY, UM, THAT SOME CITIES REALLY WANT TO HAVE.
UM, THE FRAMEWORK OF THE BCR UAE PROJECT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
YOU'RE ALREADY IMPLEMENTING IT.
UM, WHEN WE WROTE THIS REPORT, IT WAS AT 90% DESIGN FOR PHASE ONE D AND FOR PHASE TWO, A, WHICH WAS THE ACTUAL DEEP WATER INTAKE PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SMALLER EXPANSIONS, I BELIEVE, UM, HOWEVER, ONE CAVEAT THERE IS THAT ADDITIONAL LAKE TRAVIS SUPPLY WOULD BE NEEDED.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO LCRA AND NEGOTIATE AN EXPANDED CONTRACT TO GET MORE WATER IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE WHAT IS CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR THE BCR YOU WAY TO COVER ALL OF YOUR, YOUR DEMANDS, THE 37,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
SO THE COST OF JUST LOOKING AT THAT IN JUST A SILO OF JUST THE BCR YOU WAY TO COVER ALL OF YOUR DEMANDS IN 2070, THAT'S ABOUT $590 PER ACRE FOOT PER YEAR.
SO MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ONE IS AGAIN, EXPANDING THE LAKE TRAVIS SUPPLY, BUT INSTEAD OF DOING IT THROUGH THE BCR YOU WAY IT'S OWNED, OPERATED WELL OWNED BY, BY THE CITY POTENTIALLY STILL OPERATED BY VRA.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUES OF, IT'S STILL JUST A SINGLE SOURCE OF WATER SUPPLY.
AGAIN, UH, YOU WOULD NEED, UM, ADDITIONAL LAKE TRAVIS SUPPLY, UH, CONTRACT FROM LCRA.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF LANDER, THERE IS MORE LOCAL
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CONTROL WITH SOME AMOUNT OF COST SHARING.UM, BUT IT CAN BE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE OPTION JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE QUADRUPLING A WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IS LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO THE LAKE.
IT'S A LOT OF ACQUISITION COSTS.
IT'S A LOT OF THEM INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
UM, AND IT ALSO STILL REQUIRES IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BCR AT UA PHASE TWO A.
SO THOSE COSTS, OR ALSO BUILT INTO, UM, INTO THIS OPTION.
AND SO ALL IN ALL OF JUST IMPLEMENTING, UM, THE BCR UI PHASE TWO A THROUGH
UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME POTENTIAL ISSUES IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, WITH THE BARCH, THE SANDY CREEK BARGE, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE, UM, THE BARGE IS PLANNED TO BE DECOMMISSIONED.
ONCE THE BCR DEEP WATER INTAKE GOES ONLINE, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? WHERE DID, WHICH COMES TO AND BARGE VAN DECOMMISSIONED, UH, FROM THE GO AHEAD.
ALL RIGHT, DAN, UH, THE BARGE IS BEING DECOMMISSIONED, UM, FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, UM, WHICH I'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT.
AND THE REASON THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT IS THAT THE DEEP WATER INTAKE IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 44 TO 12 FEET LOWER THAN THE LOWEST RECORDED READING OF LAKE TRAVIS.
AND THAT DEEP WATER INTAKE IS GOING TO PROVIDE 144 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FOR THREE PLANTS, 106 FOR BUSHY CREEK BRUSHY CREEK.
I KNEW I DO THAT, UM, 26 MILLION GALLONS FOR CEDAR PARK CAUSE THAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THEIR PLANT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, 12 MILLION GALLONS FOR US.
SO THE DEEP WATER INTAKE IS PROVIDING THOSE THREE PLANTS, UM, THE WATER NECESSARY TO RUN THOSE PLANTS.
SO ALL THREE BARGES, UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE DECOMMISSIONED AND THAT IS THE CEDAR PARK BARGE, THE TEMPORARY, AND IT WAS TEMPORARY.
I BRUSHY CREEK BARGE AND THE CEDAR PARK, UM, ARE IN THE, UH, LEANDER BARGE.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS ALL ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
AND THE REASON WHY YOU'D WANT TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING ALL THE COSTS FOR THE DEEP WATER INTAKE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT WATER.
AND THAT'S A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE BUILDING IT WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
I LOOK BACK THAT, APPRECIATE THE HECK OUT OF YOU, DAN.
BUT, UH, IT WASN'T RELIABLE ON DECEMBER THE 19TH.
SO, SO THAT'S A TEMPORARY LINE, UM, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
SO AGAIN, TEMPORARY BARGE, TEMPORARY LINE, UM, THEY DID A, AN ENGINEERING CHANGE, WHICH CAN CAUSE SOME ISSUES, BUT THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR PERMANENT DESIGN.
THE PERMIT DESIGN IS GOING TO BE A VERY WELL-BUILT PUMPING STATION WITH A INDEPENDENT 20 MEGAWATT LINE GOING TO THAT AND KNOW THAT AS A BACKUP EIGHT MEGAWATT HAS, CAN I GET A LITTLE CONTROL? WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GONNA PUT NOT ONLY EGGS ALL IN ONE BASKET, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A BASKET.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT IT OUT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA FALL THERE'S ON THERE.
THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DECOMMISSION THE SANDY FREE BARGE.
SO, SO I, WE CAN, I CAN THROW THERE EXPOUND ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, BUT I WILL LET HER FACED, BUT IN THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN FOR ALL THREE BARGES TO BE DECOMMISSIONED AND THEN REMOVED.
UH, NO, THAT WAS THE PEGASUS PEPSI BAR, JUST SITTING IN A STORAGE SHELTER WAS BECAUSE THE LAKE WAS GETTING TO THE LEVEL OF ALL THE BARGES, ESSENTIALLY A NAIL.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THAT BARGE OUT THERE TO GO, TO PROVIDE WATER TO SAID WATER PLANTS.
SO, UM, MOVING ON TO NUMBER THREE, THE CRUISER WILCOX GROUNDWATER DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT IS A FEASIBLE SUPPLY ALTERNATIVE.
IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE WAY THAT WE EVALUATED THIS, WE EVALUATED IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS BEING DONE, SORT OF IN A SILO, THIS WAS EVALUATED IN TERMS OF CITY OF LEANDER GOING AT THIS ALONE AND PURSUING DEVELOPMENT OF A GROUNDWATER SUPPLY ON YOUR OWN, MEANING ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIPELINE, WELL, FIELD PERMITTING, ENGINEERING COSTS, ALL OF THAT TO GET THE WATER FROM 60 MILES EAST PUMPED OVER TO LEANDER.
UM, AND THEN FOR DISTRIBUTION.
SO WE LOOKED AT IT THAT WAY AND THAT'S THE 41,480 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, UM, ACRE $41,480 PER ACRE FOOT PER YEAR.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT IT ACTUALLY FLIP THAT THAT'S 1,940 ACRE FEET, UH, DOLLARS PER ACRE FOOT PER YEAR.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT IT FROM THE
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STANDPOINT OF WHAT IF YOU HAD, UH, WHAT IF YOU ALSO STILL WENT AT IT ALONE, HAD INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO A POINT WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A PIPELINE THAT COMES FROM AN EXISTING GROUNDWATER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT ALREADY DELIVERS WATER TO, UM, I MEAN, IT'S PALADIN JUST EAST OF AUSTIN.WHAT IF WE PICK UP THAT WATER AT THE END OF THAT PIPELINE AND THEN JUST PURCHASE WATER FROM THAT PURVEYOR.
AND THAT COST US $1,480 PER ACRE FOOT PER YEAR, BUT WE DID NOT CONSIDER THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A REGIONAL OPTION.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT WASN'T ON THE TABLE AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE EVALUATING IT.
UM, A REGIONAL OPTION IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL COULD DEFINITELY PURSUE.
UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH EXPLORING, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING REGIONAL OPTIONS OR REGIONAL INITIATIVES TO JUST CONSIDER, UM, UH, A REGIONAL GROUNDWATER PURSUIT AMONG I THINK THE CITIES OF GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK AND POTENTIALLY ALSO, UM, A RIVER AUTHORITY.
SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY JOIN THAT AND I CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE CHRISSA WILCOX GROUND WATER OPTION IS WE HAVE IT HERE IS NOT A REGIONAL SOLUTION.
IT'S REALLY JUST LEANDER GOING IT ALONE.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS A FEASIBLE SUPPLY ALTERNATIVE.
IT DOES ADD DIVERSITY TO LANDER SYSTEM AND THAT DIVERSITY WILL PROTECT YOU AGAINST, UM, THE VULNERABILITY OF DROUGHT IN A LOT OF WAYS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A DROUGHT PROOF OPTION, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY MORE RESILIENT, UH, WHEN COMPARED TO SURFACE WATER OPTIONS.
UM, AGAIN, THE CRUZO WILL COX GROUNDWATER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UM, IS A BIT EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF THE LAND ACQUISITION COSTS, PERMITTING, UM, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, ONM COSTS.
UM, IT STILL REQUIRES IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BRUSHY CREEK, REGIONAL UTILITY AUTHORITY PHASE TWO A AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THE COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PIPELINES TO GET IT ALL OUT THERE.
SO PERHAPS IF THERE WERE A REGIONAL OPTION THAT WERE, UM, CONSIDERED IN MORE DETAIL THAN THAT WATER COULD SORT OF BE WHEELED AROUND AMONG THE CITIES, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH LIKE ROUND ROCK, THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER BECAUSE THEY'RE FURTHER EAST.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD WHEEL THAT WATER THROUGH THEIR EXISTING INTERCONNECTIONS OR EXPANDING OF INTERCONNECTIONS TO GET THAT WATER TO LEANDER A BIT CHEAPER.
UM, THE FOURTH OPTION WE LOOKED AT WAS THE SURFACE WATER FROM THE BRA LAKE SYSTEM.
INITIALLY, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT OPTION, IT WAS FEASIBLE, BUT AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, ONCE IT WENT FROM BEING AN OPTION IN THE SCREENING EVALUATION, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT IT IN A MORE DETAILED WAY, UM, WE SPOKE WITH VRA AND THERE IS NO SURFACE WATER CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE.
SO THEY HAVE ALL OF THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, UM, ALL OF THEIR EGGS, THEIR SURFACE WATER IS CURRENTLY SORT OF SOLD TO FOR A CONTRACT.
I WAS HOPING YOU COULD ACTUALLY EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT EARLIER ON PAGE 26 OF YOUR REPORT, IT SHOWS SURFACE WATER FROM VRA LAKE SYSTEM RANKING AS NUMBER SIX IN THE HIGH LEVEL SCREENING RESULTS, NOT IN THE TOP FOUR.
UM, WHAT IS IN THE TOP FOUR THOUGH, IS AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY.
AND SO I'M HOPING YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD INSTEAD OF THE AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY.
UM, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS THAT, UM, THE ASR, IS IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT DEVELOP NEW SUPPLY? IT IS THAT EMERGENCY ACCOUNT, THE EMERGENCY, UM, UH, BUDGET TERRY, UM, THAT, THAT LOOKING AT NEW SOURCES OF SUPPLY WOULD BE PREFERABLE BY CITY STAFF TO, TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO THAT'S ONLY CONSIDERING THE SURFACE WATER FROM BRA.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY BE CONSIDERING DEVELOPING GROUNDWATER.
UM, SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP SOME GROUNDWATER SOURCES, THERE MAY BE, UM, AVAILABLE WATER IN THE FUTURE TO, TO PURCHASE FROM THEM.
BUT AFTER DISCUSSING THAT WITH THEM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR DEVELOPING THAT GROUNDWATER, UM, UNTIL AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SO THAT, THAT ALREADY PUTS US OUT VERY CLOSE TO THAT POINT WHERE THE SUPPLY AND THE DEMAND LINES INTERSECT AND WHERE WE WOULD BE ENTERING INTO THAT, UH, WATER NEEDS TERRITORY.
SO ULTIMATELY IT WAS CONSIDERED
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TO NOT BE FEASIBLE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EVALUATION.AND I'M ABOUT TO MOVE ON TO RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I WANTED TO PAUSE AND SEE IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE MOVING ON.
SO THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS A RESULT OF THIS EVALUATION IS TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH A DEEP WATER INTAKE, UM, AND TO ALSO PURSUE DEVELOPMENT OF A DIVERSIFIED WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO, UM, THAT WOULD IMPROVE YOUR WATER SYSTEM RESILIENCE AND MINIMIZE VULNERABILITY, UM, FROM THINGS LIKE INTERRUPTIONS FROM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE OUTAGES OR WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
IF THERE'S A CONTAMINATION EVENT FROM, YOU KNOW, HAZARDOUS, ALGAL, BLOOM, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, HAVING A DIVERSIFICATION OF YOUR WATER SOURCES IMPROVES YOUR, YOUR RESILIENCE.
UM, AND ALSO FOCUSING ON ANOTHER THEME OF MINIMIZING VULNERABILITY TO DROUGHT, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL KNOW HOW SCARY IT WAS IN 2009 TO 2014, NOT KNOWING HOW FAR THE LAKE LEVELS WOULD DROP AND HAVING IT BE OUT OF YOUR HANDS.
UM, SO DEVELOPING SOMETHING LIKE A REGIONAL GROUNDWATER SUPPLY OPTION OR ASR COULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO IMPROVE YOUR OVERALL, UM, RESILIENCE AND REDUCE YOUR, YOUR VULNERABILITY.
WE ALSO INCLUDED SOME ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR REPORTS AND THEY INCLUDE, UM, STARTING VERY QUICKLY, OKAY.
BY VERY QUICKLY, I MEAN, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL CONTRACT WATER WITH LCRA TO COVER YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES CAPACITIES AND TO POSSIBLY, UM, TAKE THAT THROUGH YOUR FULL BCR IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THIS IS AGAIN TO STRENGTHEN YOUR, YOUR WATER SUPPLY SO THAT YOU HAVE IT TO MEET ALL OF YOUR DEMANDS.
UM, OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE ENGAGING WITH THE REGIONAL WATER PLANNING PROCESS.
THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS, UM, REGIONAL WATER PLANNING, BASICALLY MORE OR LESS BASED ON BASINS AND LEANDER BECAUSE YOU STRADDLE THE LINE BETWEEN, UM, THE PROCESS RIVER BASIN AND THE COLORADO RIVER BASIN LEANDER IS ALSO BROKEN UP BETWEEN REGION G TO THE NORTH BREATHLESS AND REGION CAME TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS THE COLORADO AND PROVIDING INPUT ON POPULATION PROJECTIONS, WATER, SUPPLY, UM, WATER DEMAND, UM, AND THEN JUST GENERALLY ENGAGING WITH THEM AND GETTING AN IDEA OF REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY OPPORTUNITIES WOULD BE, UM, WHAT IS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE THE REGIONAL WATER PLANNING PROCESS IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INFORMATION THAT GOES INTO IT.
UM, THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION IS TO IMPLEMENT ENHANCED DEMAND MANAGEMENT.
SO THAT COULD BE THINGS LIKE, UM, EXPANDING YOUR EXISTING RECLAIMED WATER USE PROGRAM.
SO YOU CURRENTLY DO HAVE CHAPTER TWO, 10 WASTEWATER, EFFLUENT REUSE.
UM, SO EXPANDING THAT AND STRATEGICALLY TARGETING AREAS THAT ARE HIGH GROWTH AREAS, UM, COULD REDUCE THE DEMAND FOR POTABLE WATER.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR AGAIN, SORT OF LENGTHENING THE TIME THAT YOU, THE DEMAND AND THE SUPPLIES CURRENT, UM, UH, INTERSECT.
SO IT W IT LENGTHENS THE TIME BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY NEED ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF WATER.
THE NEXT WOULD BE DEVELOPING POLICIES AND INITIATIVES TO, UH, INCENTIVIZE WATER CONSERVATION.
SO THAT COULD BE, I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN LIKE THE, UH, LOW FLOW, LOW FLOW PLUMBING, FIXTURE, UM, REBATE PROGRAMS AND, UM, DEVELOPING, UM, UH, UM, ORDINANCES THAT ARE AIMED AT REDUCING WATER DEMANDS, UH, OR WATERING IRRIGATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO IMPLEMENTING AN ENHANCED DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN PROGRAM IS, UH, IS ALSO RECOMMENDED.
AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THAT CONSERVATION, UM, WE DID NOT CONSIDER DEMAND MANAGEMENT IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, SCREEN EVALUATION OR IN THE DETAILED EVALUATION, BUT I THINK THAT THIS PROVIDES, UM, SOME CONTEXT INTO HOW DIFFERENT THAT TRAJECTORY CAN BE.
UM, WE, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EVALUATION, WE CAN S WE ASSUMED THAT THE GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, THE PER CAPITA WATER USE IS 149, 6
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GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY, WHICH IS THAT GREEN LINE ALONG THE TOP.AND SO THE DEMANDS IN 2070 ARE 37,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS LIKE AN ENHANCED WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM, AND IF INSTEAD OF 146 GPCD, YOU GET IT DOWN TO 128 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY, THEN THAT OVERALL DEMAND AT THRILLED OUT IN 2017 IS MORE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 32,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
AND IF YOU IMPLEMENT ADDITIONAL ENHANCED CONSERVATION, LIKE ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, TO IDENTIFY WATER LEAKS AND WATER LOSSES, THEN THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THAT DOWN EVEN MORE, UM, TO EVEN GET YOU DOWN TO ABOUT 24,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, UH, WITH A 96 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY.
SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT CONSERVATION COULD HAVE.
SHOULD THEY BE IMPLEMENTED ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDE REGIONAL COORDINATION JUST IN GENERAL.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S THIS GROUNDWATER CONSORTIUM, UH, BY THE CITIES OF ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN.
SO YOU COULD CONSIDER JOINING THAT EXISTING EFFORT.
UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ALSO DEVELOPING OR EXPANDING EMERGENCY INTERCONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE CITIES OF GEORGETOWN AND, OR SEE YOUR PARK.
UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY AN INTERCONNECT BETWEEN GEORGETOWN AND LEANDER, SO POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THAT, SO THAT THERE'S MORE RESILIENCE.
AND, UM, YOU COULD HAVE SHORT-TERM EMERGENCY, UM, WATER WHEELING.
ALSO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO COORDINATE ON INTERIM WATER SERVICE AGREEMENTS.
SO IF POPULATION GROWTH OUTPACES ALL OF THE PROJECTIONS, UM, AND WATER USE AND WATER DEMANDS ALSO INCREASE, THEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PURCHASE MORE WATER FROM SAY THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK, BECAUSE ROUND ROCK ISN'T CURRENTLY USING ALL OF THEIR WATER FROM THE BCR YOU WAY, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET A SHORT AND INTERIM WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE THE WATER THAT THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY USING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE DEMANDS NEEDED FOR THAT.
UM, WITHOUT ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, THEN ANOTHER POTENTIAL, UM, AVENUE THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING IS, UH, REGIONAL COORDINATION WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
SO AUSTIN IS DEVELOPING THEIR OWN ASR RIGHT NOW.
AND SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO DISCUSS WITH THEM THE POTENTIAL OF PURCHASING WATER FROM THEIR ASR OR BECOMING A PARTNER IN SOME WAY.
UH, WE DID NOT REACH OUT TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO FIND OUT IF THAT WAS AN OPTION AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S WORTH EXPLORING ON THE CITY OF LANDERS PART.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL FOR QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU JUST IN GENERAL, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR THAT ASR TO BE DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED? I'M SEEING SO BASED ON SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT I'M SEEING, UM, BEING DEVELOPED IN LIKE NEW BRAUNFELS AND CITY OF VICTORIA, IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT SEVEN TO 10 YEARS, MINIMUM, THERE ARE SEVEN THAT'S CURTAIN.
YOU USUALLY HAVE TO DO A PILOT STUDY AND THE PILOT TAKES A COUPLE OF YEARS OF CYCLE TESTING.
WELL, COUNCIL IS THINKING WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP, SO WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK UP.
OKAY, HERE WE HAVE, UH, JOEL BERKO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE ON 25 HUNTER CHAMPIONS CORNER.
UM, I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR SHARING THE RESULTS OF THE WATER STUDY, UM, AND ALSO SHARING WITH US, UM, TODAY.
UM, IT WAS QUITE INFORMATIVE AND, UH, I THINK AS A CITIZEN, I LEARNED A LOT FROM IT LOOKING AT THE STUDY THOUGH.
I THINK WE'RE UNDER, UH, A REAL CRISIS HERE.
UM, IF I INTERPRET THE RESULTS CORRECTLY, OUR CAPACITY, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, OUR CAPACITY, UM, OUR DEMAND IS GOING TO INCREASE CAPACITY IN ABOUT 10 YEARS.
AND SO I REALLY URGE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE AN ACTION PLAN BASED UPON THESE RESULTS AND DO IT RIGHT AWAY.
UM, THEY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, DOING THESE ACTIONS IN FIVE YEARS, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING A LOT SOONER THAN THAT.
UM, AND IT COULD BE IN THIS ACTION PLAN, HAVING BOTH CITIZENS AND CITY GOVERNMENT WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THIS DONE.
UM, I THINK THAT FOR A WATER, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE SILVER BULLET IDEA.
IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTIFACETED THING.
I KNOW THAT SHE MENTIONED A LOT OF, UM, GREAT SUGGESTIONS ON HERE,
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UH, REVIEWING THE, MY PERSONAL REVEALING OF THE STUDY AND, AND MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, AS WELL AS I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.NUMBER ONE IS INCREASING SUPPLY, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THAT'S, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT INCREASING SUPPLY, YOU KNOW, IN MY, MY ESTIMATIONS, THE, THE, THE BCR UA IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO FINISH THE DEEP WELLING PROJECT, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, GET INTO PURCHASE MORE LAND.
AND SANDY CREEK, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT.
SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS UNFORTUNATELY, ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW? AND SO WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE MAINTENANCE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE BCR OR UA.
CONSERVATION'S GOING TO BE KEY.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE CITY ORDINANCES TO ENCOURAGE HOS, TO, TO ENCOURAGE THINGS LIKE, UM, ZEROSCAPING, AS, AS, UH, I'D MET, HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, LAST OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF CONSERVATION.
ALSO INCENTIVE SENT DEVISE THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, UM, RAIN BARRELS, SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE A LOT OF, UH, PERSONALLY CAPTURE A LOT OF WATER AS WELL.
UM, AND ALSO I WOULD RE EVEN THOUGH THIS, THIS WAS KIND OF A LOWER OPTION ON THIS LIST.
I THINK WATER REUSE IS GOING TO BE VERY CRITICAL TO EXPAND.
I KNOW WE DO REUSE WATER, BUT TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE WATER REUSE WITHIN, UM, WITHIN OUR AREA.
SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONSERVE, BUT THEN REUSE THE WATER THAT WE'RE, WE'RE EXPANDING AS WELL.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, BACK TO YOU ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
THIS IS, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING THAT THIS IS JUST THE BASELINE.
THIS IS THE FIRST WATER STUDY AND HERE'S YOUR PLANNER.
AND SO FOR THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILS DO NOT STOP DOING THE STUDIES AND KEEP GETTING THE DATA BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS SEVERELY MISSING IN THE CITY.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ACTION ITEM TO ACCEPT THE REPORT TO THE MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[21. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to: (a) Section 551.072 and 551.087, Texas Government Code, Deliberate the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property and deliberate proposed economic development incentives for one (1) or more business prospects that the governmental body seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting development negotiations; and (b) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority; and (c) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code and Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding utility service area and water service matters; and (d) Section 551.074, Texas Government Code, to discuss or deliberate the employment of an employee: city engineer. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding: (a) one (1) or more business prospects; and (b) Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority; and (c) utility service area and water service matters; and (d) city engineer.]
ALL RIGHT.WE'RE GOING TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO AND STICK WITH ME ON THIS.
A SECTION 5 51 0.072 AND 5 5 1 0.087 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY AND DELIBERATE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PRO PROSPECTS THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE STATE OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING DEVELOPMENTAL NEGATE NEGOTIATIONS AND B SECTION 5 5, 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING CAPITOL METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, AND C SECTION 5 5, 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN SECTION 1.05, TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING UTILITY SERVICE AREA AND WATER SERVICE MATTERS.
AND D SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.074 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE THE EMPLOYMENT OF AN EMPLOYEE CITY ENGINEER.
CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION AT 11:53 PM.
TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING A ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS, MAYOR PRO TEM.
I MOVED TO AUTHORIZE A CHAPTER THREE 80 AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF LEANDER AND RIDE OR DIE LLC.
AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE SET AGREEMENT AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
BE CAPITAL METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, MAYOR PRO TEM.
I MOVED TO DIRECT STAFF TO CONTINUE GATHERING INFORMATION ON CAPITAL METRO TRANSIT RIDE FOR SHIP AND SERVICES AND LEANDER AS WELL AS EXISTING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE TRANSIT SERVICES IN THE AUSTIN AREA.
NO, A SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY.
SEE UTILITY SERVICE AREA AND WATER SERVICE MATTERS.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION.
D CITY ENGINEER, MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO RATIFY THE CITY MANAGER'S SELECTION OF ROSS BLACK
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BLACK LETTER PLANTING KEVIN BLACK.SORRY ABOUT THAT SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
OPPOSED PASSES SIX TO ONE ITEM
[22. Council Member Closing Statements.]
22 COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS.IF YOU PLAY WITH FIREWORKS, DON'T PULL YOUR FINGERS OFF HAPPY FOURTH, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY WITH THEM, DO IT OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, PLAY SIX, UM, AND ENJOY YOUR LONG WEEKEND AND HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY ON SUNDAY.
HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY OUT AT LANDER FEST.
AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO, UM, TO JUST CONGRATULATE OUR, UH, LEANDER, UH, YOUTH BASEBALL, UM, TWO COOL THINGS HAPPEN, THE ATU AND THE TENUE TEAM, UH, THE ALL-STARS THIS YEAR ACTUALLY WENT UNDEFEATED IN BOTH ONE DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL FOR US.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE THOSE KIDS IN HERE SOMETIME SOON, TOO.
SO CONGRATULATIONS, UH, TO, UH, THE COACHES AND THE PLAYERS AND PARENTS AND EVERYBODY FOR GETTING THE FIELDS READY.
AND SO, UM, AND ALSO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE FALL SIGNUPS FOR BASEBALL ARE GOING TO BE, UM, GOING THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH.
THEY'RE JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY TO SIGN UP.
SO THANK YOU, PLEASE FOR THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT TO PUT THEIR NAME ON, TO BE A PART OF OUR BOARDS.
SO WE NEED EVERYBODY TO VOLUNTEER AND I'M GLAD THAT PEOPLE SHOWED UP.
THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS HUNG WITH US TONIGHT AND HUGE.
THANK YOU TO TRACY FISHER, WHO IS HERE FOR SOME REASON.
HOWEVER, IT IS STILL THURSDAY.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT A WIN AND HOPEFULLY NEXT MEETING WILL BE SHORTER.
SEE YOU ALL, UH, THIS SUNDAY AT LIBERTY FEST, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 1157.