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THANK YOU.[1. Open Meeting and confirm a quorum is present.]
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 15TH, 2021.AND THIS IS THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION OF THE LANDER CITY COUNCIL.
A QUORUM IS PRESENT AND THE CITY COUNCILS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS ITEM TO PLANNING DIRECTOR GRIFFIN WILL BE DISCUSSING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND THE DEVELOP THERE.
[2. The City Council of the City of Leander, Texas will conduct a strategic planning session to allow the City Councilmembers to communicate and assess the current status of issues, programs and policies that affect the City of Leander and to engage in comprehensive planning regarding the city’s anticipated future issues and needs for its citizens regarding the items listed in this agenda. The items listed below are for discussion purposes only and no formal action or votes will be taken. Comprehensive Plan Implementation Ordinance Amendments Developer Forum]
UM, SO OUR FIRST TOPIC ON THE AGENDA IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UM, MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, WE WORKED ON THIS PLAN FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
IT WAS ADOPTED APRIL 1ST, 2021.
I THINK EVERYONE, UM, HAS A COPY.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUR VISION STATEMENT.
THIS STATEMENT WAS CREATED BY OUR COMMITTEE AND, UM, THE PURPOSE, UH, IN THE STATEMENT IS KIND OF GUIDE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.
SO THIS, UM, THIS DOCUMENT INCLUDES SIX DIFFERENT CHAPTERS.
IT KIND OF TOUCHES ON THE, THE HISTORY.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE STATE OF THE CITY, UM, CHAPTER THREE IS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHERE WE CREATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEN CHAPTER FOUR IS, UM, A REALLY IMPORTANT CHAPTER BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT OUR DIRECTION AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ALL THE FUN THINGS WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN CHAPTER FIVE AND SIX DEAL WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THIS IS OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP.
IT'S FULL OF A LOT OF FUN COLORS.
UM, THE, THE KEY AREAS I THINK, ARE THE EMPLOYMENT MIXED USE AREA.
SO THAT'S THIS PURPLE AND THIS PURPLE WE HAVE IT OVER HERE AND DOWN HERE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HOPING TO SEE THE CAMPUS STYLE DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, EMPLOYERS TO LOCATE ALL OF THE LIGHT.
YELLOW IS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, MULTI-USE CORRIDORS.
SO THE MULTI-USE CORRIDORS ARE INTENDED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL WITH, UM, SOME RESIDENTIAL MIXED IN WITH IT.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, THE BREAKDOWN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY LAND USE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, 35% OF THE CITY IS ANTICIPATED TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S BASED ON THAT LAND USE CATEGORY.
SO THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL ZONING OR THE EXISTING USES, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 20%, NON-RESIDENTIAL MIXED, THAT'S THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS, THAT'LL HAVE A MIXTURE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO, UM, OUR, OUR LAND USE CATEGORIES, UM, ARE MEANT TO, TO GUIDE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
SO AS A STAFF MEMBER, WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS, WE LOOK AT THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND, UM, THEY ENCOURAGE CERTAIN USES.
SO WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM, WE TELL THEM THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S MEANT TO HAVE COMMERCIAL, OR WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, WE'RE IN SYNC WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THE DESIRE IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS AND LEAD THEM DOWN ONE PATH AND THEN FIND OUT, UM, YOU HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA.
SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, KIND OF A SUMMARY OF THE DIFFERENT GOALS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, FROM THOSE GOALS, WE'VE CREATED AN ACTION PLAN WITH STRATEGIES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PART OF YOUR PACKET, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE WORD, UM, ACTION TYPE, THESE TERMS HERE, UM, KIND OF EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THE ACTION TYPES ARE.
SO WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS REGULATION, USUALLY THAT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
COORDINATION WOULD BE US WORKING WITH OTHER ENTITIES.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SOMETIMES THE CHAMBER.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT COLUMN MEANS, UM, THIS IS FROM THE ACTUAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENTS.
SO THE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE IS PULLED FROM THESE PAGES.
SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP, UM, THAT AREA, THAT'S WHERE THE GOAL IS LISTED, AND THEN IT START GREENS, THE STRATEGY, AND THEN THIS BLUE, THIS IS THE ACTUAL ACTION STEP.
WHAT, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THE TABLES MORE ABBREVIATED.
SO WHEN WE'RE READ THOSE ACTION STEPS, SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAIN DOCUMENT, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE INTENT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND SO THAT'LL HELP US TO, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL IN THE PACKET, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT MATCHES.
SO THIS THE SLIDER GREEN AREA, THAT'S THE GOAL, THAT'S THE STRATEGY.
AND THEN THIS WHITE IS OUR ACTUAL ACTION STEP, AND THAT'S, WHAT'S TELLING THE CITY WHAT TO DO.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE COLUMNS HERE FOR TIMEFRAME, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, THE GROUP HAS GONE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES AND ACTION STEPS, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND WE'VE MADE A FEW CHANGES.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE SOME, SOME RED XS, AND THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS SUGGESTING A, UM, A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME.
SO SOMETIMES WE'D MOVE IT TO ONGOING AS WELL AS ZERO TO TWO YEARS, BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MAJOR ACTION THAT HAPPENS AT ZERO TO TWO YEARS, BUT THEN IT'S STILL ONGOING.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I THINK, UM, LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE, TO SEE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE SCHEDULE OR IF THERE ARE ANY ELEMENTS THAT
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WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, NOTHING.WELL, THAT WAS, THAT WAS EASY.
UM, SO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST IS, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCES.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE HAVE LISTED OUT THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES AND THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT ARE GOING TO, UM, UM, IN THE ORDINANCES.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED SOME SUGGESTIONS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS PROPOSALS FROM STAFF.
UM, SO THE FIRST ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE HAD A LIST.
I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST ITEM IS STREAMLINING OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO WE'RE MEETING AS A GROUP TO GO THROUGH THE, THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE PROCESS AND TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IT FOR STAFF, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, ANOTHER BIG ITEM WAS UPDATING OUR LIGHT ORDINANCES SETS ORDINANCE WITH REGARDS TO LIGHT SIGNING IN THE STREETS OR INTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, LOTS.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS AND THAT IS THE STANDARD, UM, FOR, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, WHAT ARE YOUR BUFFER YARDS LIKE? DO YOU HAVE MORE LANDSCAPING? ARE THERE WALLS? THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS IN OUR COMP PLAN THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THEY'VE HAD ON THEIR LIST.
UM, THE ADDITION OF A MASONRY WALL BETWEEN PONDS AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, GUEST PARKING STANDARDS FOR CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENTS.
I THINK YOU'LL HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT RECENTLY.
AND WE WERE SEEING THAT AS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE UPDATED AND THEN UPDATING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ONE OF OUR ISSUES WITH THAT REQUIREMENT IS IT'S NOT REALLY REQUIRED.
SO WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE IT TO GIVE MORE, UM, INFORMATION TO THE ACTUAL APPLICANT, AS WELL AS ADD SOME REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, PROPOSALS, WILL COUNCIL VOTE ON THAT BEFORE STAFF WORKS ON THEM OR DO Y'ALL JUST WORK ON THEM? SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE, IN THE PAST IS WE COME UP WITH A, UM, A MORE DETAILED LIST WITH THE ACTUAL SECTIONS BEING AMENDED.
AND WE USUALLY JUST HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND WE COULD ALSO HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THE COUNCIL IF THAT'S HELPFUL, BUT USUALLY IT GOES THROUGH THEM AND THEN WE PRESENT IT TO Y'ALL, BUT THAT'S AFTER IT'S PREPARED AND READY AS PART OF AN ORDINANCE.
UM, I THINK IT MIGHT WARRANT SOME DISCUSSION ON THESE PRIOR TO PUTTING IN A LOT OF WORK.
SOME OF THEM ARE GOOD AND SOME OF THEM, I THINK, NEED, NEED TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH A LOT.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER LIST.
THAT'S MORE DETAILED AND WE CAN PRESENT THAT.
AND SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT DOING IS, UM, GIVING A TIMEFRAME FOR WHAT WHAT'S IMMEDIATE THAT WE COULD DO QUICKLY.
AND THEN WHAT TAKES A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH.
UM, SO FOR THE STAFF PROPOSALS, UM, OUR BIGGEST PROPOSAL IS UPDATING OUR ORDINANCE, UM, TO ADDRESS, UH, LANDSCAPING AND WATER CONSERVATION.
UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING INTO, UH, CHANGING OUR SINGLE FAMILY STAT STANDARDS SO THAT, UM, WE HAVE LESS DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND THEY'RE ALL 10 FEET DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMBINE IT AND MAKE IT CLEARER FOR THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SOME, UM, OTHER USE COMPONENTS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT REVISING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER CLEANUP ITEMS WITH THAT ONE.
UM, WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS AGAIN, STREAMLINING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME CHANGES, UM, FOR THAT.
AND THEN IT ALSO HAD SUGGESTIONS ABOUT PARKLAND DEDICATION AND THE TREATMENT OF CREEK CORRIDORS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL PROBABLY INCLUDE AS AN AMENDMENT AND STAFF HAD SOME CHANGES TO THE FIRE REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER CLEANUP ITEMS ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UM, WE HAVE AN OVERHAUL WE'RE IN PROCESS ON THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MATERIALS, TEMPORARY SIGNS, DIRECTORY SIGNS, AND TAKING OUT, UM, INFORMATION THAT'S NOT RELEVANT THAT MAYBE IS DATED AND NOT AS USEFUL.
UM, AND THE FINAL ITEM IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND REALLY CAN'T OVERHAUL FOR THAT ORDINANCE TO, TO USE MORE CURRENT TERMINOLOGY.
DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE ADDED TO THAT LIST? AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK WITH, UM, MORE THOROUGH ITEMS IN THE FUTURE.
SO RIGHT NOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREAMLINING, WHAT ARE WE GOING FROM X TO Y? SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE FROM DATE SECOND REFER TO, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE A REGULAR SUBDIVISION PROCESS, WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN PRELIMINARY PLAT FINAL PLAT CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
RIGHT NOW CONCEPT PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CAN BE APPROVED.
WE HAD CHANGED IT WHERE THOSE TWO WERE COMBINED, BUT WHEN WE WERE FACED WITH THE SHOT CLOCK, WE CHANGED IT BACK BECAUSE THE STATE REGULATIONS WERE KIND OF, UM, INTIMIDATING.
WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS GOING TO WORK.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
SO IT'D BE A FASTER PROCESS BY REMOVING THAT STEP.
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AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT CONCURRENT SUBMITTALS.UM, SO IT PROBABLY WOULD SAVE MAYBE 90 DAYS ON A COUPLE OF THOSE STEPS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS.
I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR A LONG TIME AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN AFTER FOR A LONG TIME, AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN GET, UM, I GUESS, LOST OR PUT TO THE SIDE WHILE WE GO TACKLE OTHER ISSUES.
SO WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE DETAILS LATER AS WE GO THROUGH, BUT JUST APPRECIATE IT.
AND BY SAYING THAT THIS SHOWS THAT Y'ALL ARE LISTENING AND THAT WE'RE LISTENING BECAUSE IT'S ALL RIGHT HERE, THE SIGN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN EVERYTHING IT'S IT'S HERE, SO THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS? NO, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THESE IT'S A LOT.
UM, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCES MORE.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM MORE? I CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC, IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HOW FAST IT'S GONE, OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME BACK TO US.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY HELPFUL WITH THE SUGGESTIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
CAUSE WE DID GET KIND OF AN OUTSIDE VIEWPOINT WHEN HALF EVALUATED ORDINANCES, SO THAT THAT'S HELPFUL.
THERE'S SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT.
AND WE'RE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SOME, UM, ADVICE FROM THE HBA, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WHERE IT'S, UH, ONE CATEGORY TO ALLOW MULTIPLE LOT SIZES.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO DO YOU WANT FEEDBACK ON THESE? ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU HAVE FEEDBACK, UM, AND IT MAY BE JUST QUESTIONS.
I JUST, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER.
I JUST KNOW I'VE MADE A NOTES ON HERE.
THIS IS REGARDING THE AWARD-WINNING SCHOOLS AS A RECRUITMENT STRATEGY.
UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INCLUDED IF POSSIBLE SOME SORT OF AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS ON LSD TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO STUDENT, TO DEBT RATIO AS COMPARED TO THE STATE AND THE NATION, OUR GRADE COMPARISONS, AS COMPARED TO THE STATE AND NATION LIKE GRADUATION RATES, UM, COLLEGE ACCEPTANCE, WHATEVER THE TYPICAL METRICS ARE THAT ARE USED TO COMPARE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
AND DO WE REALLY STILL HAVE A DESTINATION SCHOOL DISTRICT? YEAH.
AND I IMAGINE, UM, LAC IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITH THAT, BUT IT WAS NOT PRESENTED IN THE STATE OF L I S D.
SO THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL ON THAT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT? I'VE FORGOT SOME OTHERS.
SO, UM, I CAN, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING UNLESS SOMEBODY STOPS ME.
ON LET'S SEE, GO FOR, UM, AND THIS IS, UH, YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS, BUT REFERRING TO LEANDER THE CENTRAL AREA, IS THERE A, AN EXACT CENTRAL AREA? LIKE WE HAVE OLD TOWN, WE'VE GOT THE TOD.
IS THERE A BORDER AROUND WHAT WE ARE CALLING CENTRAL? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE, UM, LAND USE MAP, WE DO HAVE A AREA CALLED, UH, LEANDER CENTRAL AND IT'S KIND OF THIS, UH, SALMON COLOR, THAT TRIANGLE SHAPE.
IS THAT THE NORTHERN PART OF IT? WE'RE REFERRING TO REALLY THE TOD AS CENTRAL LEANDER.
OKAY THEN THAT'S I EVEN ASKED THIS LEANDER STATION, ISN'T THAT MOSTLY NORTH LINE, CORRECT.
THIS IS UNDER COMMUNITY CHARACTER ACTIONS, 5 1 5 0.1 0.2.
UM, COM PROMOTE COMMUNITY HISTORY AND POINTS OF INTEREST IN THE BRANDING PLAN.
UM, I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO INCLUDE OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE IN THAT, UM, IN THE CONVERSATION TO AT LEAST GET PERSPECTIVE FROM HISTORIC FAMILIES AND PEOPLE IN THE KNOW OF OUR HISTORY THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE NO IDEA OF.
UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO, LET'S SEE, FIVE TO FIVE, UM, THIS IS THE BEAUTIFICATION.
MY QUESTION WAS WHO, WHO PAYS FOR IT AND POSSIBILITY OF GETTING CORPORATE SPONSORS.
THESE ARE JUST KIND OF NOTES I'VE MADE FOR MYSELF THAT I LOVE THIS IDEA.
UM, BUT REALLY NO QUESTIONS ON IT.
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TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODES ARE ENCOURAGED AS OUR USE AS AN OLD TOWN.NOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE WANTED TO ASK YOU AND I'VE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET THE TERMINOLOGY, RIGHT.
THAT THE ORIGINAL PLATT'S IN OLD TOWN WHERE IT INCLUDED AN ALLEY, OR THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE AN ALLEY OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT IT'S INHIBITING PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO DEVELOP HERE BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S PLANTED AND THAT IF WE JUST MOVE FORWARD AND FLATTERED IT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON AND SHARE WITH YOU.
I SAW THAT AND THAT TRIGGERED MY MEMORY.
THE OLD TOWN AREA, UM, INCLUDES ALLEYS WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
AND WE HAVE, UM, SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE REQUESTED TO VACATE THAT ALLEY.
THERE ARE ALSO CASES FOR THE ALLEY IS USED, BUT WE'VE DONE IT CASE BY CASE.
SO WHEN THEY COME UP WITH A REQUEST WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT COMES TO YOU GUYS OF IT AT ONE TIME AND JUST CHANGE IT, OR IS THAT NOT? SO YOU'RE CHANGING, UM, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTIES, AND SOME OF THEM ARE USING THAT ALLIE FOR ACCESS.
SO I THINK WE'D WANT TO BE CAREFUL.
SO BEFORE WE CHANGE ALLEYS BEING USED.
THE, LET'S SEE, SIX TO SIX CAREFULLY CONSIDERING THE TRANSITIONAL COMPATIBILITY WITH EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, OLD TOWN, UH, EVOLVES INTO AN ALL DAY ACTIVITY AREA.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO JUST A GENERAL SURVEY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OLD TOWN TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY PLANS TO SELL OR, CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF GOT A MIX.
WE'VE GOT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS THAT EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S IN OUR LIFETIME OR IN THE FUTURE, EVENTUALLY IT'S ALL GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL.
UM, THAT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, BUT THEY MAY HAVE A PLAN AND THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL POSSIBLY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND MAYBE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.
AND WITH THAT PLAN, YOU WOULD INVOLVE THE PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY IN OLD TOWN.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR PLANS.
AND WE DO HAVE INSTANCES WHERE, UM, LIKE THE, THE ARCHITECT'S OFFICE, THEY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT.
SO WE MIGHT SEE THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S BOTH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL DEFINITELY CONSIDER.
AND LET'S SEE, UH, 6, 3, 1, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEANDER HERITAGE PROMOTION PROGRAM THAT EDUCATES AND CELEBRATES LANDER'S RICH HISTORY, UM, UH, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, SAME ON THE NEXT ONE, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, LET'S SEE X SIX, THREE TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO QUALIFY FOR STATE AND FEDERAL RESOURCES RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PUBLIC ART PRESERVATION CAN BE VERY HELPFUL IN THAT AND ELPAC.
UM, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM LISTED AS THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M MENTIONING IT.
MAYBE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.
AND SO LET'S SEE, ENCOURAGE THE PRESERVATION AND REHAB OF CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
SO NOTHING EARTH SHATTERING THERE.
7 1 4 PURSUE A TRAIL ACCESS CORRIDOR TO THE BALCONIES CANYON LANDS PRESERVE.
AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR WILL UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO INCLUDE A HOG HUNTING EXPEDITION WITH THAT.
AND THIS COULD INCLUDE BEING INCLUDED AS SOME SORT OF A FUNDRAISER HELICOPTER OR HUNTING FOR HOGS, JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF HELICOPTERS I DID OR YOU KNOW, THAT KNIFE HUNTING THAT THEY DO OUT IN EAST TEXAS Y'ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THEY'RE IN THE, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN THE HIGHLANDS NOW.
AND THEY THINK THAT'S A BIG SURPRISE.
IT'S LIKE WHAT? WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
SO BRING OUT THE HELICOPTERS AND THE, THE EAST TEXAS BOYS.
AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF THOSE HOGS, BUT IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S A SENSE OF HUMOR.
DON'T TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY, BUT IT'S, IT WOULD BE GOOD IDEA.
8 1 4 UNDER GOAL EIGHT, I CONSIDER SHARED USE FACILITIES WITH THE SCHOOLS.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AUDITORIUMS BALL, FIELD STADIUMS, MEETING SPACES, THAT SORT OF THING.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALL, UM, OKAY.
NINE TO FOUR EVALUATE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONSIDER TRANSPORTATION, DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND SMART CITIES TECHNOLOGY, UH, SMART CITIES.
I QUESTION THAT, UM, BECAUSE SOMETHING TELLS ME IT'S PROBABLY NOT AS SMART AS WE'D LIKE
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IT TO BE.UH, SO I HAVE A QUOTE FROM RISK AND REWARDS OF SMART CITIES, A NATIONAL CYBER SECURITY CENTER, AND WHO KNOWS PAUL MIGHT BE MY HE'S GOT HIS BLUE SUIT ON TODAY.
HE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING HE WANTS TO SAY.
THE QUOTE IS CYBER ATTACKS, ESPECIALLY THE DEEPLY INTERCONNECTED SYSTEMS RUNNING A SMART CITY POSE A REAL THREAT TO AN ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM, BUILT ON TECHNOLOGY, CYBERSECURITY CHALLENGES IN SMART CITIES DON'T YET GET ENOUGH ATTENTION FROM DEVELOPERS AND CITY LEADERS, BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT THEY MUST ADDRESS.
NOW WAITING WILL NOT BE AN OPTION.
AND THAT IS DATED JANUARY 28TH OF 21.
UM, SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN WE USE THE WORD SMART, THAT MEANS THAT SOMETHING NOT HUMAN IS INVOLVED AND IT'S, TREVISO IN THE DOCUMENT.
THEY, UM, THEY KIND OF FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT IN THERE.
THEY'RE SAYING THEIR TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS SIGNAL PREEMPTION DEVICES AND OTHER EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES THAT IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION EFFICIENCY AND EMBRACING NEW TECHNOLOGY TO REDUCE COSTS AND ACCOMMODATE SMARTER VEHICLES AND CHANGING THE CHANGING VEHICULAR TRAVEL HABITS.
UM, ON LET'S SEE, ENHANCED TRENDS, TRANSIT SERVICE WITH CAP METRO, WHAT IS ENHANCED FOR BUSES? I'M SORRY.
IT SAYS CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR ADDITIONAL HOURS, DAYS OF SERVICE, METRO BUS ONSITE PICKUP AND OTHER CONNECTION METHODS.
SO IT'S A MULTI-MODAL TRANSIT EXPANSION.
CHIN, HAVE WE DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR THAT? WILL THEY ACTUALLY BE DOWNGRADED THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ON THAT ONE? THEY WENT FROM ONGOING TO SIX TO 10 YEARS, I THINK.
CAUSE WE, WE FELT LIKE WE MIGHT SEE SOME CHANGES.
SO MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON TOP OF IT THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS.
THANK YOU, JOSE AND ENHANCEMENT.
I WOULD CONSIDER A BATHROOM AND ENHANCEMENT ON THAT, BUT YEAH.
UM, ANYTHING AT THE STATION? NOT NOTHING.
UM, I WILL SPARE YOU THE EXTRA 10 TO ONE.
THAT I'LL GET WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.
WILL YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT ROBIN? WHICH ONE? YEAH.
CAUSE IT'S, UH, IT'S UH, YEAH.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE IMPLEMENTATION? SO, UM, OUR NEXT STEP IS, UM, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT, UH, TO THE, THE COMMISSION, UM, THE NEXT ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AND THAT'LL COME TO COUNCIL AS WELL, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON THIS, THE SCHEDULE.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM WE HAVE IS, UH, THE DEVELOPER FORUM.
SO STAFF IS, UH, PREPARING THE MEETING FORMAT FOR A DEVELOPER FORUM.
IT'S UM, IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.
OUR INTENT WAS TO USE THIS AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT CHANGES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN, UM, ESPECIALLY OUR, OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR NEW TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE ALSO WANT TO UPDATE THEM ON THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND CIP PROJECTS.
UH, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO HAVE THIS FORUM AT THE, DURING AUGUST IS MY HOPE, UM, SILVER, WE'RE GONNA WORK TOWARDS THAT.
AND THIS'LL PROBABLY BE THE FIRST OF, OF MANY MEETINGS.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE FUN WHEN WE LAUNCH INNER GOV TO KIND OF WALK, UH, HOME BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS THROUGH THE NEW PROCESS AND THE NEW, THE NEW SYSTEM.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.
AND WE WANTED TO SHOW THIS TO THE GROUP TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ON TRACK WITH WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND FOR DEVELOPER FORUM.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE SHOULD BE ADDING, IS THAT ENOUGH TIME? IT'S 33 MINUTES.
WELL, IT FELT LIKE WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE AN HOUR, SO THIS'LL PROBABLY BE AN HOUR AND A HALF.
AND THIS IS LIKE, AND SO THIS IS MORE INFORMATIONAL.
IT'S US KIND OF SAYING, THESE ARE THE CHANGES.
IT'S A STATE STATE OF THE CITY FROM DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES.
AND I THINK IT WOULD ALL LEAD INTO, AND I KNOW THERE'S DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS IN THE ROOM TOO.
I THINK IT WILL LEAD INTO, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO MAYBE WHAT I THINK WHEN I ORIGINALLY SAW THIS, I THOUGHT ALMOST THE SAME THING LIKE DEVELOPER FORM MEANS, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK BACK AND FORTH AND THE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AND I THINK THIS WILL PROBABLY LEAD INTO THAT, UM, FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH YOU EARLIER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AS A FOLLOWUP TO THIS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, UM, PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOO.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FORM A COMMITTEE AND GET FEEDBACK ON ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND PROCESS AMENDMENTS.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH.I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING AWESOME.
SO WE JUST ADJOURNED UNTIL SIX WELL THEN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IS ADJOURNED AT 4 27.
WE WILL BEGIN OUR BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6:00 PM.
[4. Presentation of Water and Wastewater Cost of Service Study by Willdan Financial Services.]
INCREASES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, INFLATION, YOU KNOW, COST OF EVERYTHING GOES UP BY 3% A YEAR JUST DUE TO INFLATION.AND SO AS INFLATION HITS, THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE UP THE COST OF WATER.
SECONDLY, UM, THERE ARE MANY FACTORS IN WATER AND SEWER SERVICE THAT ARE GOING UP AT RATES GREATER THAN INFLATION INSURANCE, WORKERS' COMPENSATION, CHEMICALS, ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WORRY ABOUT HEALTHCARE COSTS.
HEALTHCARE COSTS ARE GOING UP PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
WELL THAT AFFECTS HER HOUSEHOLD BUDGET, BUT IT ALSO AFFECTS YOUR WATER COSTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PAY HEALTHCARE COSTS FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES.
UH, ANOTHER FACTOR IS ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS,
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YOU KNOW, UM, IT COSTS A LOT MORE TODAY TO LAY A WATER LINE THAN IT DID 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.AND PART OF THE REASON IS THAT IS THAT THERE ARE MORE STRINGENT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
NOW THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM OF ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS.
I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY ARE, ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF COMMUNITIES, BUT THESE REGULATIONS COME AT A COST AND THE COST IS REFLECTED IN WATER RATES.
ANOTHER KEY FACTOR IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS.
LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN YOUR SYSTEM TO KEEP IT OPERATING.
THAT WAS MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS THAT PUSH WATER THROUGH YOUR CITY AND COLLECT ALL YOUR WASTEWATER, LIKE ANY ASSET THEY WEAR OUT OVER TIME.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THAT SYSTEM.
I WORKED FOR SOME UTILITIES THAT HAVE INCREDIBLY LOW WATER RATES.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY HAVE INCREDIBLY LOW WATER RATES IS THAT THEY DON'T PUT ANY MONEY INTO THEIR SYSTEM.
AND SO THEIR SYSTEM IS HELD TOGETHER BY DUCT TAPE AND BAILING WIRE.
IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO RUN A SYSTEM? NOT NECESSARILY.
SO WHILE LOWER RATES IS A GOOD GOAL, IT DOES HAVE TO BE BALANCED WITH THE NEED TO INVEST IN YOUR SYSTEM.
THE CHALLENGES FACING LEANDER ARE CHALLENGES FACED BY EVERYBODY.
THE AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION, FORECASTS OF WATER AND SEWER COSTS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE GOING TO TRIPLE IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
SO WHILE WATER COSTS ARE GOING UP, THEY'RE GOING UP FOR EVERYBODY.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE PAY FOR WATER SERVICE HERE IN LEANDER.
THIS CHART RIGHT HERE SHOWS THAT A, THAT A CLASSIC SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER PAYS FOR WATER IN TWO WAYS.
THEY PAY A MINIMUM CHARGE AND THEN THEY PAY A VOLUMETRIC RATE FOR EVERY THOUSAND GALLON OF WATER THAT THEY USE THE MINIMUM CHARGE RIGHT NOW FOR A THREE QUARTER INCH METER, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A STANDARD METER FOR A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER IS $37 AND 35 CENTS.
THE VOLUMETRIC RATE IS $4 AND 91 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
IF YOU HAVE A LARGER METER THAN THREE QUARTER INCH, YOU PAY A LARGER MINIMUM CHARGE BECAUSE LARGER METERS EXERT GREATER DEMANDS ON THE SYSTEM.
NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE SLIGHTLY HIGHER MINIMUM CHARGES AND SLIGHTLY HIGHER VOLUME RATES BECAUSE THE COST OF SERVICING A NON RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
CUSTOMERS PAY A MINIMUM CHARGE OF $14 AND 58 CENTS, UM, PER MONTH.
AND THEN THEY PAY A VOLUMETRIC RATE OF $2 AND 84 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS BASED ON SOMETHING CALLED A WINTER AVERAGE, UH, MAKE VERY LONG STORY SHORT.
THE IDEA OF A WINTER AVERAGE IS THAT AT X IS A EFFECTIVELY AS A CAP ON YOUR WASTEWATER SERVICE BECAUSE IT, IT HELPS ENSURE THAT WATER THAT IS BEING USED BY CUSTOMERS TO WATER THEIR LAWN AND DO OTHER SUMMER USAGE IS NOT PAID FOR IN SEWER CHARGES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO BACK INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM.
IT'S A, IT'S A WA IT'S CALLED A WINTER AVERAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE YOU'VE GOT NON-RESIDENTIAL RATES AND SCHOOL RATES AS WELL.
THE QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE IS HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR SERVICE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, OR AS IMPORTANTLY, HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO WHAT OTHER CITIES IN THIS AREA OF THE STATE OF TEXAS PAY? WELL, 10,000 GALLONS IS A VERY COMMON MEASUREMENT.
THAT'S USED FOR RESIDENTIAL MONTHLY USAGE HERE IN LEANDRA.
THE ACTUAL AVERAGE USAGE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND SEVEN TO 8,000 GALLONS, BUT MOST, UM, UH, STATE AUTHORITIES USE 10,000 GALLONS IS A GOOD BENCHMARK.
IF YOU'RE A 10,000 GALLON USER HERE IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, YOU PAY $129 AND 43 CENTS A MONTH FOR THAT SERVICE.
NOW THAT'S JUST FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE DOESN'T INCLUDE TAXES OR GARBAGE OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER ADDITIONAL FEES.
THIS CHART SHOWS THAT WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO A LOT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE YOUR HIGHER THAN SOME UTILITY.
SOME CITIES YOU'RE LOWER THAN OTHERS.
YOU'RE A TAD HIGHER THAN THE STATE AVERAGE.
BUT REMEMBER, TEXAS IS A PRETTY BIG STATE OVER A THOUSAND CITIES.
SO, UH, BUT FOR MANY CITIES WITHIN THIS GENERAL AREA, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT THE AVERAGE IS.
YOU'RE ABOUT THE SAME AS LIBERTY HILL.
YOU'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN PFLUGERVILLE.
YOU'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN CA UH, KYLE, YOU'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN HOTEL AND YOU ARE A LITTLE MORE THAN CEDAR PARK AND ROUND ROCK.
AND SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE ABOUT WHERE YOU EXPECT TO BE YOUR HIGHER THAN SOME LOWER THAN OTHERS, BUT KEEP THIS IN MIND, 30 TO 40% OF UTILITIES IN THE UNITED STATES CHARGE RATES THAT DO NOT COVER THEIR COSTS.
SO JUST BECAUSE A NEIGHBORING UTILITIES RATES ARE LOWER THAN YOURS, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY HAVE A MORE EFFICIENT OPERATION OR THEY RUN OR THEY'RE RUN BETTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY MAY HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR WATER AND SEWER RATES FROM THEIR GENERAL FUND.
NOW, EVERY IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FINANCIAL POLICY BECAUSE EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS USED TO SUBSIDIZE A WATER RATE IS A DOLLAR THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR OTHER CITY SERVICES, POLICE, FIRE, UH, PARKS, REC ADMINISTRATION, THAT KIND OF, UH, THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, SYDNEY OLEANDER DOES NOT SUBSIDIZE ITS WATER AND SEWER RATES.
YOU ONLY CHARGE WHAT IT COSTS YOU TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
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YOUR RATES, YOU'RE THERE ABOUT WHERE YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE HIGHER THAN SOME LOWER THAN OTHERS.LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IN THE CURRENT YEAR YOU HAVE ABOUT 22,932 WATER CUSTOMERS.
I'M STILL TRYING TO GET USED TO THIS.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE RESIDENTIAL OR MULTI-FAMILY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PRIMARILY A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 21,000 WASTEWATER ACCOUNTS.
THIS CHART IS INTERESTING TO GUYS LIKE ME, AT LEAST WATER, CAUSE IT KIND OF SHOWS HOW PEOPLE USE WATER HERE IN THE CITY.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LAST YEAR, YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE SOLD ABOUT 2.5 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND, AND DUPLEX CUSTOMERS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU'VE GOT A FAIRLY ROBUST BASE OF COMMERCIAL USAGE.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF YOUR WHOLESALE USAGE AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE PRIMARILY A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEN COMMUNITY.
WHEN, WHEN, WHAT WE DID FOR THE CITY IS WE DEVELOPED A LONG-TERM FINANCIAL PLAN FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER BASED ON OUR INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED RATE MODEL.
THIS RATE MODEL TAKES EVERY LINE ITEM FROM YOUR BUDGET AND FORECAST IT FOR A TEN-YEAR PERIOD BASED ON A SERIES OF WHAT'S CALLED ACCELERATORS.
UM, A FORECAST IT SHOULD BE NOTED IS NOT A GUARANTEE.
FORECAST IS A PREDICTION BASED ON YOUR SERIES OF REASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE USED? WELL, ONE OF THE KEY ASSUMPTIONS IS HOW MUCH GROWTH ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU DEVELOP A LONG-TERM FINANCIAL PLAN, YOU DEVELOP IT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE UTILITY AS IT EXISTS TODAY, BUT THE UTILITY AS YOU EXPECT IT TO EXIST TOMORROW.
AND ONE OF THE GREAT BENEFITS WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF LEANDRA IS YOU HAVE SOME VERY, VERY ROBUST GROWTH EXPECTATIONS.
YOU HAVE 22,000 CUSTOMERS TODAY.
THAT IS BASICALLY DOUBLE FROM WHAT IT WAS JUST SIX YEARS AGO OR SEVEN YEARS AGO IN 2014.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU ARE FORECAST TO INCREASE TO AS MANY AS 34,000 CUSTOMERS BY THE YEAR 2030, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT FOUR TO 5% A YEAR.
NOW, A WELL-MANAGED WATER, UTILITY AND LEANDER, CERTAINLY AS A WELL-MANAGED WATER UTILITY CAN BENEFIT FROM HIGH LEVELS OF GROWTH.
THE REASON IS THAT WATER UTILITIES ARE BASED ON A PRINCIPLE CALLED ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
MOST OF THE COSTS OF A WATER SYSTEM ARE FIXED, YOU KNOW, A PERSONNEL COSTS, RENT, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THE MORE WATER YOU SELL, THE LESS IT COSTS YOU TO, UH, TO SERVE TO EACH OF YOUR CUSTOMERS.
SO IF YOU GET GOOD, EVERY NEW CUSTOMER IS A NEW MINIMUM CHARGE.
EVERY NEW CUSTOMER HAS NEW VOLUMETRIC CHARGE.
SO THE MORE GROWTH YOU HAVE, IF YOU MANAGE IT PROPERLY, IT WILL BENEFIT YOUR, UH, YOUR CITIZENS.
I LIVE IN FRISCO, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE DALLAS AREA.
FRISCO'S GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE THE LARGEST, FASTEST GROWTH CITY IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES AT A POPULATION OF 5,000, 25 YEARS AGO.
NOW IT HAS POPULATION OF 200,000 AND GUESS WHAT? OUR WATER RATES ARE PRETTY LOW BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH GROWTH, SO MUCH TO ACCOUNTS THAT IT'S MANAGED TO KEEP YOUR RATES REALLY, REALLY LOW.
AND THAT IS, AND THAT WE SEE AS BEING A REAL BENEFIT FOR THE CITY OF LEANDRA AS WELL.
BY THE SAME TOKEN, YOUR USAGE IS EXPECTED TO GROW AS WELL.
HOWEVER, USAGE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ERRATIC BECAUSE USAGE GROWS NOT JUST BASED ON, UH, NEW ACCOUNTS, BUT IT ALSO IS BASED ON WEATHER PATTERNS AND OTHER, UH, RELATIVELY UNIQUE FACTORS.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS CHART RIGHT HERE, YOUR GROWTH WAS FAIRLY STEADY OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS, BUT IT DIPPED IN 2021.
IT DIPPED IN 2021 FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE WAS THE COVID PANDEMIC AND TWO WAS, UH, IT WAS AN UNUSUALLY WET YEAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT RAINS A LOT, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WATER AS MUCH.
IT'S NOT ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
WE'RE WE'RE FORECASTING THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO PRETTY MUCH RETURNED TO NORMAL IN FUTURE YEARS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GROWTH AND CONSUMPTION IS AN ASSUMPTION AND IT'S BASED ON WEATHER PATTERNS.
AND, UH, IF ANYBODY CAN PREDICT WITH PERFECT CERTAINTY, WHAT THE WEATHER IS GOING TO BE LIKE NEXT YEAR, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, CAUSE THAT THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL.
WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR USAGE AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR ACCOUNTS.
LET'S NOW TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS REGARDING YOUR EXPENSES.
UM, ONE OF OUR KEY ASSUMPTIONS IS THAT MOST OF YOUR ACCOUNTS ARE GOING TO GROW AT ABOUT THREE PER OR MOST OF YOUR EXPENSES ARE GOING TO GROW AT ABOUT 3%.
COST OF EVERYTHING GOES UP BY 3%.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S GOING TO, UH, INFLATION IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG FACTOR.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO ASSUME THAT CERTAIN OF YOUR EXPENSES LIKE HEALTHCARE AND INSURANCE ARE GOING TO GO UP AT GREATER AMOUNTS.
CERTAIN OF YOUR EXPENSES ALSO INCREASE AS YOU INCREASE IN VOLUMES LIKE ELECTRICITY AND CHEMICALS.
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UM, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME NEW REVENUE SOURCES FROM RANCHO SIENNA AND GEORGETOWN.THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL.
REMEMBER WATER IS A BULK COMMODITY.
THE MORE YOU SELL THE LESS IT COSTS TO EVERYBODY.
SO IF YOU GET A BIG NEW, UH, WHOLESALE CUSTOMER, LIKE A GEORGETOWN, THAT BY AND LARGE IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO YOUR UTILITY.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO FACTORS THAT ARE REALLY DRIVING THE BUS ON YOUR FUTURE, FINDING REVENUES, EXPENSES, AND RATE AND WATER AND SEWER RATE PLAN.
ONE IS THE BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL EXPANSION AND THE COST OF THAT.
AND TWO IS THE DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO ISSUE IN ORDER TO FUND THAT EXPANSION, HOW YOU, HOW YOU DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW YOU FUND THEM IS A MAJOR COMPONENT IN WHAT YOUR RATES ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO END UP BEING OKAY, THE CITY OF ATLANTA OR BEING THE HIGH GROWTH CITY.
IT IS, IS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
THIS CHART RIGHT HERE IS A DEPICTION OF YOUR FORECAST, WATER PROJECTS AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITY IS FORECAST TO HAVE AS MUCH AS $200 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT, AND IT'S A SYSTEM AND THEN ITS WATER SYSTEM IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, OTHER 90 MILLION IN WASTEWATER, THAT'S $290 MILLION.
NOW, ONE OF THE BENEFITS IS THAT THIS IS DIRECT INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF LEANDER.
WHILE YOU'LL BE ASKING YOUR RATE PAYERS TO FUND THE COST OF THESE PROJECTS, IT IS A DIRECT INVESTMENT IN YOUR CITY'S FUTURE AND YOUR STREETS AND ALLEYWAYS.
IT'S GOING TO BUILD ASSETS THAT ARE GOING TO SERVICE YOU.
THEY'RE GOING TO SERVICE YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND MAYBE EVEN YOUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.
SO WHILE IT'S NEVER EASY TO ASK ROYAL CUSTOMERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THESE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, IT ISN'T AN INVESTMENT THAT WILL DIRECTLY BENEFIT DOOBIE TO THE LONGTERM BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF LEANDER.
YOU DON'T HAVE $289 MILLION SITTING IN THE BANK.
UH, YOU HAVE TO BORROW THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT MONEY.
UM, THIS CHART RIGHT HERE IS A DEPICTION OF YOUR FORECAST BOND ISSUES.
WHAT IT SHOWS VERY GOOD, VERY SUCCINCTLY IS THAT YOU ARE ANTICIPATED TO BORROW AS MUCH AS $90 MILLION FOR AS MUCH AS $80 MILLION FOR WATER PROJECTS.
AND AS MUCH AS $75 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER PROJECTS, JUST IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS ALONE.
AND THEN YOUR ANTICIPATED HAVE STILL FUTURE INVESTMENTS, UH, IN THE OUT YEARS AS WELL.
NOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY ABOUT $214 MILLION.
YOU HAVE ALMOST $300 MILLION OF INVESTMENT, YOUR IMPACT FEES, YOUR, UM, WHILE YOUR RATE REVENUES WILL FUND THE REMAINING PORTION OF IT.
AND THAT'S JUST DUE TO GOOD FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RATE PLAN IN PLACE THAT ENABLES YOU TO PAY THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE ON ALL THIS DEBT THAT YOU ANTICIPATED TO ISSUE OVER THE NEXT DECADE.
AND THIS RATE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU WILL ENABLE YOU TO DO SO.
THIS CHART RIGHT HERE SHOWS YOUR CURRENT ANNUAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS AND YOUR FORECAST, YOUR, YOU ALREADY HAVE ABOUT $10 MILLION A YEAR IN PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS FOR YOUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BLUE BLUISH PORTION OF THIS, UH, OF THIS BAR CHART.
THAT AMOUNT IS EXPECTED TO STAY PRETTY STEADY OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
THE RED PORTION IS THE ADDITIONAL FUTURE DEBT FROM THE NEW BOND ISSUES.
WHAT'S REMARKABLE ABOUT THIS CHART IS THAT BY THE YEAR 2030, THE NEW DEBT IS GOING TO OUTSTRIP THE CURRENT DEBT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALMOST $24 MILLION OF ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE BY THE YEAR 2030.
AND THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST.
THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A LOT NEW ACCOUNTS AND THOSE NEW ACCOUNTS ARE GOING TO BE PAYING PART OF THE DEBT SERVICE AS WELL.
THIS CHART RIGHT HERE SHOWS YOUR CURRENT, YOUR FORECAST COST OF SERVICE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO OPERATING EXPENSES, WHICH IS THE BLUE TRANSFERS AND CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS THE GREEN AND DEBT SERVICE, WHICH IS THE PURPLE.
THERE ARE TWO FACTORS ABOUT THIS CHART THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
ONE IS THAT IT SHOWS THAT YOUR COST OF SERVICE GOES FROM ABOUT $30 MILLION IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO AS HIGH AS $60 MILLION BY THE YEAR 2030.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT BASICALLY DOUBLES.
IT ALSO SHOWS THAT IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, DEBT SERVICE BECOMES A LARGER AND LARGER PROPORTION PROPORTION OF YOUR TOTAL COSTS, YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES.
OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP, GO UP EVERY YEAR.
UH, TRANSFER HAS ACTUALLY STAYED PRETTY STEADY, BUT IT'S THE DEBT SERVICE THAT DRIVES THE BUS HERE.
SO THAT IS THE BIG FACTOR IN THIS LONG-TERM RATE PLAN.
I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU FIRST, THE RETAIL RATE PLAN.
THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR OUTSIDE CITY RATES, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR WHOLESALE RATES.
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TALK ABOUT THE RETAIL RATES FIRST.I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE HEADLINE FIRST.
WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU IMPLEMENT A THREE YEAR RATE PLAN, A PLAN WITH AUTOMATIC RATE ADJUSTMENTS IN OCTOBER OF 20 21, 20 22 AND 2023.
FOR SOME UTILITIES, WE RECOMMEND LONGER-TERM PLANS LIKE FIVE-YEAR PLANS OR EVEN SEVEN YEAR PLANS FOR LEANDER.
WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU LIMIT IT TO THREE YEARS JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH GROWTH AND SO MUCH DYNAMICS HERE.
THAT IS PROBABLY A VERY GOOD IDEA.
AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS TO COME BACK IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE, AS OPPOSED TO WHERE YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE, BUT HERE'S THE KEY WE RECOMMEND NO CHANGE IN YOUR RETAIL WATER RATES.
AND YOU MIGHT SAY TO YOURSELF, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE ALL THAT DEBT ALL THAT ONCE AND NOT RAISE OUR RATES, NOT RAISE OUR WATER RATES? WELL, THE ANSWER IS VERY SIMPLE.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF GOOD FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND GROWTH.
ALL OF THOSE NEW ACCOUNTS ARE GOING TO COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP ALL THOSE COSTS.
AND THAT'S GOING TO ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO RAISE YOUR RETAIL WATER RATES, HOWEVER, YOU'RE NOT COOL.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS GOOD ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.
UM, WITH WATER, YOU ALSO HAVE THE ADDED BENEFIT OF YOU'VE GOT THOSE LARGE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, BUT THE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS ARE ALSO PICKING UP PART OF THE COST AS WELL ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE.
HOWEVER, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU IMPLEMENT 5% RATE ADJUSTMENTS IN 2022, UH, IN, IN 2023 AND A 7% RATE ADJUSTMENT IN 2024.
I'M GOING TO PRESENT YOU A BASE ALTERNATIVE FIRST, AND THEN I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU A SECOND ALTERNATIVE.
AND THAT IS IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING WHAT'S CALLED A CONSERVATION RATE, WHICH IS A RATE THAT IS INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE WATER CONSERVATION AND ALSO PUSHES MORE OF YOUR COSTS ON YOUR HIGHER VOLUME USERS.
AND THEN FINALLY I'LL SHOW YOU THE IMPACT OF WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR GROWTH DOESN'T HIT YOUR TARGETS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF AGGRESSIVE GROWTH AND SO FAR YOU'RE MEETING ALL THOSE TARGETS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THE GROWTH.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOME MAJOR CATACLYSMIC EVENT HAPPENS OR FOR WHATEVER REASON GROWTH DOESN'T HIT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT BE ON THE RATE PLAN? I'LL SHOW YOU THAT AS WELL.
SO HERE'S THE WATER RATE PLAN.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY DON'T CHANGE AT ALL.
THIS IS YOUR CURRENT WATER RATE STRUCTURE FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND YOUR NON RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WE'RE ANTICIPATING NO CHANGE AT ALL.
WILL YOU DO A BELIEVE? OUR LONG-TERM FORECAST INDICATES THAT BY OCTOBER, 2024, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO A NOMINAL INCREASE IN YOUR WATER RATES, NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE IT, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY COMING.
SAME THING IS TRUE IN OCTOBER OF 2025.
NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE WASTEWATER RATES, WASTEWATER RATES.
WE RECOMMEND THAT EFFECTIVE IN OCTOBER OF 2021, YOU TAKE YOUR RESIDENTIAL MONTHLY MINIMUM CHARGE FROM 1458 TO 1531.
AND YOUR VOLUMETRIC CHARGE FROM 2 84 PER THOUSAND GALLONS TO 2 98 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
WE RECOMMEND SIMILAR ADJUSTMENTS IN 2022 AND 2023.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE THREE YEARS OF THE RATE PLAN, THE NEXT TWO YEARS AFTER THAT, WE'RE ALSO FORECASTING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS.
NON-RESIDENTIAL SAME PERCENTAGE INCREASES FOR EACH OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
NOW, THE QUESTION YOU HAVE IS, YEAH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH PEOPLE PAY EACH MONTH? HEY, THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARTS IN THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION BECAUSE THIS CHART SHOWS WHAT THE IMPACT ON YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER WILL BE.
IF YOU DECIDE TO ADOPT THIS RATE PLAN.
AS I SAID, THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER HERE IN THE CITY OF LEANDER USES BETWEEN FIVE, ABOUT 7,500 GALLONS OF WATER A MONTH.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS ABOUT 70% OF YOUR WATER BILLS ARE GOING TO BE 10,000 GALLONS OR LESS.
NOW THINK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE USE WATER.
SOMEBODY, A PERSON, A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER HAS 12 BILLS IN A YEAR, OKAY? NINE OF THOSE BILLS ARE GOING TO BE SIX THOUSAND FIVE THOUSAND SEVEN THOUSAND FOUR THOUSAND.
BUT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 12 TO 15,000 GALLONS.
THE AVERAGE COMES OUT TO 7,500.
SO YEAH, SOME MONTHS THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
OTHER MONTHS THEY'LL BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT THE MAJORITY OF BILLS ARE GOING TO BE 10,000 GALLONS OR LESS.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THIS 10,000 GALLON PERSON RIGHT NOW, THAT PERSON WHO USES 10,000 GALLONS OF WATER AND 5,000 GALLONS OF WASTEWATER UNDER A WINTER AVERAGE PAYS $115 AND 23 CENTS.
FOR THAT SERVICE UNDER THIS PLAN, THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP BY A DOLLAR 44 A MONTH.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A 5% INCREASE IN WASTEWATER, BUT A 0% INCREASE IN WATER, SIMILAR, UM, ADJUSTMENT IN 2020 $3 50 A MONTH, SIMILAR ADJUSTMENT IN 2020 FOR
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$2 AND 22 CENTS A MONTH.AND THE IMPACT IS THE SAME FOR A 5,000 GALLON USER, BECAUSE REMEMBER IT'S ONLY THERE IT'S ONLY THEIR WASTEWATER BILLS THAT GO UP.
IF YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL USER, THE AVERAGE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER USES BETWEEN 20 AND 40,000 GALLONS A MONTH.
SO A 20,000 GALLON USER WOULD STILL SEE ABOUT A ONE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE EACH MONTH, EACH YEAR, SOMEBODY WHO USES 20,000 GALLONS, COMMERCIAL WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE PAY $647 FOR THAT UNDER THIS PLAN, THEIR BILL WOULD GO UP BY $9 AND 48 CENTS A MONTH.
AND IT WOULD GO UP BY 9 95 IN 2022 AND A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, $14 AND 63 CENTS IN 2023.
NOW I HATE TO TAKE THESE VERY COMPLEX, COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL PLANS AND TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT IN TERMS OF ONE OR TWO NUMBERS.
I DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT IF I DID, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR RATE PAYERS, THE IMPACT OF THIS PLAN IS ABOUT ONE TO $2 A MONTH FOR EACH OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
AND IN THAT YOU GET, YOU GET OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF LEANDER, THROUGH ALL THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING.
NOW, LET'S SAY THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW THE CITY HAS A FLAT VOLUME METRIC RATE PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
YOU CHARGED THE SAME AMOUNT PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE WATER SIDE, THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW IS $4 AND 91 CENTS.
AND IT STAYS THE SAME FOR EACH OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
WHAT MANY CITIES HAVE DONE IS IMPLEMENT? WHAT'S CALLED A CONSERVATION RATE WHERE THE MORE YOU USE, THE MORE YOU PAY, THE IDEA OF THIS IS TWOFOLD.
ONE, IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO CONSERVE WATER.
YOU KNOW, WATER IS A FUNNY BUSINESS.
YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PRODUCING A PRODUCT THAT YOU WANT YOUR CUSTOMERS NOT TO BUY.
THE REASON IS THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO CONSERVE WATER AND USE WATER, VERY PRUDENTLY BECAUSE IT'S A PRECIOUS AND DIMINISHING NATURAL RESOURCE.
BUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO USE IT, YOU WANT TO, TO THE BEST EXTENT POSSIBLE MINIMIZE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN IN THAT.
SO BY SETTING A BLOCK RATE WHERE THE MORE YOU USE, THE MORE YOU PAY, YOU'RE GIVING PEOPLE A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO USE WATER AS PRUDENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
ALSO, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE LOWEST VOLUME CUSTOMERS WHO USUALLY, BUT NOT ALWAYS ARE YOUR LOWER INCOME AND YOUR FIXED INCOME PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD PAY THE LEAST AMOUNT UNDER THE SYSTEM.
SO THIS CHART RIGHT HERE SHOWS ONCE AGAIN, THAT 69% OF YOUR BILLS ON MONTHLY BILLS ARE 10,000 GALLONS OR LESS.
LOOK, YOU DO HAVE SOME LARGER VOLUME CUSTOMERS.
YOU DO HAVE SOME, BUT THE LION'S SHARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE LOWER VOLUME.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF YOU CHOSE TO DO A WATER-BASED CONSERVATION RATE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THE FOLLOWING FOR, YOU SAID THREE BLOCKS, ZERO TO 10,000 GALLONS, 10 TO 25,000 GALLONS AND 25,000 GALLONS AND ABOVE RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY PAYS THAT SAME RATE FOR 91.
IF YOU SET THIS BLOCK RATE, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LOWER THE RATE FOR YOUR FIRST 10,000 GALLONS TO 4 55 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
HOWEVER, ABOVE 10,000 GALLONS, YOU WOULD CHARGE FIVE 80 AND A BUBBLE OF 25,000 GALLONS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS.
IT MEANS MEANS THAT IF YOU ARE A VOLVO VOLUME USER, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY PAY A LITTLE LESS UNDER THIS SCENARIO.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OUR 5,000 GALLON USER.
THIS IS WATER CHARGES ONLY BY THE WAY, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE WASTEWATER BECAUSE THE WINTER AVERAGE ONLY APPLIED.
I'M SORRY, THE, UH, THE VOLUMETRIC RATE OR THE BLOCK RATE ONLY APPLIES TO TWO WATER CHARGES UNDER SCENARIO ONE.
THERE'S NO CHANGE, $61 AND 90 CENTS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
BUT IF YOU'RE A 5,000 GALLON USER UNDER, UNDER THE CONSERVATION RATE, YOU ACTUALLY PAY A DOLLAR 80 LESS.
IF YOU'RE A 10,000 GALLON USER, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY PAY $3 AND 60 CENTS LESS.
ISN'T IT? WELL, IT'S GREAT IF YOU'RE A LOW VOLUME USER, BUT IF YOU'RE ARE HIGHER VOLUME USER, IF YOU'RE A 30,000 GALLON USER, INSTEAD OF PAYING $184, YOU'D PAY $204, WHICH IS $20 MORE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, AND IT, IT SETS A HIGHER RATE FOR HIGHER VOLUMES OF USAGE.
ALSO, IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
THE REASON IS THAT RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE A MUCH GREATER ABILITY TO CONSERVE THAN COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS DO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
FOR THE MOST PART, ALL THE WATER THEY USE IS WATER THAT THEY USE IN THEIR BUSINESS, THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN CONSERVE WATER, A LOT OF WATER BY WATERING YOUR LAWN TWICE A WEEK, INSTEAD OF THREE TIMES A WEEK.
AND A RATE LIKE THIS WOULD GIVE YOU AN INCENTIVE TO DO THAT.
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BOTH OF THESE SCENARIOS WILL GET YOU THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE.SO NOW IT BECOMES A DECISION OF WHAT IS THE MOST FAIR JUSTIN REASONABLE RATE PLAN.
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS IT'S THE RATE PLAN THAT YOU AS A COUNCIL DECIDE IS THE MOST FAIR JUSTIN REASONABLE RATE PLAN.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE LION'S SHARE OF CITIES IN TEXAS NOW HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, UH, HAVE BEEN ADOPTING CONSERVATION BASED RATES.
THAT'S SORT OF THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE HERE IN TEXAS, PARTICULARLY IN THE, IN THE WATER STARVED COMMUNITIES, UM, IN WEST TEXAS AND DOWN IN, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE BORDER AREA.
BUT, UM, SO THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER DOING A CONSERVATION BASED RATE NOW, VERY BRIEFLY, THIS, UH, THIS RATE IS BASED ON CONTINUED ROBUST GROWTH IN THE CITY OF LANDER.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THE GROWTH SAY REALLY STARTS TO TAIL OFF? LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY GROWTH IS ONLY HALF OF WHAT WE EXPECTED IT TO BE INSTEAD OF 12 TO 1300 NEW ACCOUNTS EACH YEAR, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE TO 600 ACCOUNTS.
WELL, IF THAT HAPPENS, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO NO WATER RATE INCREASE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO WATER RATE ADJUSTMENTS FOR EACH OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
YOU'D HAVE TO DO A 4%, A 2% AND A 2% WATER RATE ADJUSTMENT.
YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO DO A SLIGHTLY HIGHER CALMER, UH, WASTEWATER RATE ADJUSTMENT.
THE IMPACT IS IT WOULD MEAN THAT INSTEAD OF YOUR WATER BILL GOING WATER AND WASTEWATER BILL GO FOR A 5,000 GALLON USER GOING FROM $92 TO $95 BY 2023, IT WOULD GO TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
IT WOULD BE ABOUT AN EXTRA FOUR TO $5 A MONTH.
WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US IS THAT AS LONG AS THE GROWTH IS GOOD, WE'RE GREAT.
BUT EVEN IF THE GROWTH REALLY STARTS TO TANK, THE ADDITIONAL RATE ADJUSTMENTS ARE NOT, ARE NOT ABNORMALLY HIGH LOOK, OBVIOUSLY NOBODY WANTS TO PAY MORE, BUT WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A 20% RATE INCREASE.
IF, IF GROWTH DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NOMINAL ADDITIONAL INCREASE.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THIS, BUT KIND OF KEEP IN MIND THAT GROWTH IS GOING TO BE A BIG DETERMINANT OF WHAT ULTIMATELY YOUR RATE PLAN IS GOING TO BE.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT THE, UH, THE CITY ASKED US TO LOOK AT WAS WASTEWATER EFFLUENT CHARGES.
WASTEWATER EFFLUENT IS THE STUFF THAT COMES OUT OF A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, AND WASTEWATER EFFLUENT POLICY HAS BECOME VERY, UM, UH, HAS, HAS BECOME MUCH MORE OF AN ISSUE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN RECENT YEARS.
THE REASON IS THAT MANY CITIES ARE TURNING TO WASTEWATER EFFLUENT FOR PARTICULARLY FOR LARGE IRRIGATION PURPOSES, AS A WAY TO, UM, EASE THE BURDEN OF FINDING ADDITIONAL WATER RESOURCES.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WATER A GOLF LOG WITH WASTEWATER EFFLUENT, JUST AS EASILY AS YOU CAN WATER IT WITH, UH, WITH, WITH TREATED WATER, ASSUMING YOU CAN GET THE WASTEWATER EFFLUENT THERE, BUT THE SETTING OF WASTEWATER EFFLUENT RATES ARE VERY, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
THE REASON IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN DO IT.
IT'S NOT REALLY IT, IT'S NOT A TOTALLY A FINANCIAL DECISION.
THERE ARE MANY CITIES, CITY SET, WASTEWATER, EFFLUENT RATES, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
SOME CITIES SET THE WASTEWATER EFFLUENT RATE AT THE COST THAT OF WHAT IT COSTS TO PRODUCE WASTEWATER EFFLUENT, BUT OTHER CITIES SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE GOT TO PRODUCE THE WASTEWATER EFFLUENT.
ANYWAY, WHETHER WE SELL IT OR NOT, WE STILL HAVE TO PRODUCE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TREAT OUR WASTEWATER.
SO IF WASTEWATER EFFLUENT ACTUALLY DISPLACES WATER, ECONOMICALLY, YOU CAN CHARGE THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE EFFLUENT THAT YOU DO FOR THE WATER, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME RESOURCE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GIVE AN INCENTIVE TO OUR CUSTOMERS TO USE EFFLUENT INSTEAD OF A TREATED WATER.
SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST CUT THE RATE CHARGE A LITTLE BIT LESS.
SEE IT'S ONE OF THOSE CLASSIC EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE, AND IF YOU DON'T SELL IT, YOU JUST DUMP IT AND GET RID OF IT.
SO ANY PRICE YOU CHARGE FOR IT IS A BENEFIT.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO IT.
AND JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES, IT'S COSTING YOU ABOUT THREE TO THREE AND A HALF DOLLARS, A THOUSAND GALLONS TO PRODUCE WASTEWATER EFFLUENT.
SO THAT'S THE BENCHMARK AT WHICH AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, YOU COULD SAY WASTEWATER EFFLUENT POLICY.
I GOT JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
FIRST IS RATES FOR CITY CUSTOMERS.
YOU KNOW, PART OF THE VAR, THIS ANALYSIS ADDRESSED THE NEW OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMER THAT YOU HAVE, UM, OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE CITY RATES IS A COMMON ISSUE FACED BY CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
MUNICIPAL UTILITIES HAVE TYPICALLY CHARGE A PREMIUM OR A HIGHER RATE FOR OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS THAN THEY DO FOR THEIR INSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, NATIONWIDE, THE AVERAGE PREMIUM IS 47%.
SO ON AVERAGE OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS PAY ABOUT 47% MORE FOR THE, FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE THAN INSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS DO.
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UM, LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF CITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES CHARGE A HIGHER OUTSIDE CITY RATE, HUNDREDS OF CITIES IN TEXAS DO THE SAME THING.THE AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION HAS ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF RAINMAKING METHODOLOGY.
THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION PRODUCED A METHODOLOGY CALLED THE UTILITY BASIS THAT ENABLES YOU TO CALCULATE WHAT THE COST IS OF PROVIDING SERVICE TO OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS.
THAT'S THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USE TO CALCULATE THE COST OF SERVICE FOR YOUR OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMER.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CALCULATION OF THE COST OF SERVICE, UH, UNDER AWW, A RATE MAKING GUIDELINES, RESULTS, AND A COSTS OF SERVICE, THAT'S ABOUT 20% GREATER FOR YOUR RANCHO SIANNA CUSTOMERS THAN IT IS FOR YOUR INSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS ON THE WATER SIDE.
AND IT'S ABOUT 88% HIGHER ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE THAT PRESENTS A CLEAR JUSTIFICATION TO THE CITY TO CONTINUE ITS POLICY OF CHARGING A 10% PREMIUM.
IF YOU OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS, THIS CHART RIGHT HERE IS JUST A SAMPLE THAT SHOWS SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
WHAT DO THEY CHARGE OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS? UM, ONE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS SEE THE PRODUCT DOESN'T CHARGE A PREMIUM.
MANY OF YOUR OTHER CUSTOMERS CHARGING MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT PREMIUM, 15% 35.
YOU KNOW, KYLE CHARGES, 35% MARBLE FALLS CHARGES, 50% ROUND ROCK CHARGES, A HUNDRED PERCENT MORE.
UM, THERE ARE MANY CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T CHARGE A HIGHER OUTSIDE RATE.
NOW, WHY IS THIS WHY YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, IT'S WATERED.
LIKE ANYTHING ELSE? WHY, WHY IS IT COST MORE FOR AN OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMER? I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE QUESTION.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, BY AND LARGE OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS TEND TO BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE WATER SOURCE.
NOW THIS IS, THIS IS IN GENERAL.
I MEAN, THERE ARE ALWAYS SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS TO IT.
SECONDLY, OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS DON'T SUPPORT THE SYSTEM THROUGH TAX OR THE CITY THROUGH TAXES OR THROUGH CREDIT RATINGS.
YOU KNOW, YOUR CREDIT RATING IS PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU GET DEBT AS CHEAPLY AS YOU DO.
AND IT'S YOUR INSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS THAT GUARANTEE YOUR CREDIT RATINGS OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
BUT THE KEY DIFFERENCE IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP INSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS ARE OWNERS OF THE SYSTEM, YOUR OWN, YOU OWN IT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OCCURS.
YOU TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS ALSO CAN POTENTIALLY BE SERVED BY ANOTHER SOURCE.
SO THEY COULD ALWAYS GO AWAY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THERE WAS A RISK INVOLVED IN PROVIDING SERVICE TO THEM, THEREFORE UNDER RATE MAKING METHODOLOGY INSIDE CUSTOMERS AND THE CITY ARE ENTITLED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THE RISK THAT YOU TAKE IN PROVIDING SERVICE TO THESE OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS.
SO, UH, WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, THIS CHART RIGHT HERE JUST SHOWS YOU ON THE WATER SIDE, THE BASIC COST OF SERVICE CALCULATION FOR INSIDE CUSTOMERS, AS OPPOSED TO OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS, AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE'RE PROJECTING THAT YOUR OUTSIDE CITY COST OF SERVICE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 18 TO 20% GREATER FOR ON THE WATER SIDE.
THEN YOU'RE INSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, THAT AMOUNT IS 88%.
AND AS MUCH AS A HUNDRED PERCENT, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY IT BOUNCES AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO ALL THAT DETAIL TONIGHT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU ARE 100% JUSTIFIED IN CHARGING A HIGHER RATE BECAUSE IT SIMPLY COSTS YOU MORE TO PROVIDE SERVICE AND YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THE RISKS THAT YOU TAKE IN PROVIDING SERVICE TO THESE OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS.
CHARGING A PREMIUM IS WHAT CITIES ALL ACROSS TEXAS AND ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES DO THAT ARE IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES.
I CAN TELL YOU AS A GUY WHO HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR 35 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CITY CHARGE, A LOWER RATE FOR AN OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMER THAN AN INSIDE CITY CUSTOMER.
I'VE SEEN A VERY SMALL, SMALL HANDFUL OF INSTANCES WHERE THEY CHARGE THE SAME RATE TO OUTSIDE CITY CUSTOMERS IS INSIDE, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM CHARGE A PREMIUM ONE FINAL THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND THAT IS I WANT TO DO A SPECIFIC COMPARISON OF GEORGETOWN TO LEANDER.
IT'S ALWAYS PROBLEMATIC TO TRY TO COMPARE RATES BETWEEN DIFFERENT UTILITIES.
AS I SAID EARLIER, ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT 30 TO 40% OF UTILITIES CHARGE RATES THAT DON'T COVER THEIR COSTS.
NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT GEORGETOWN VS LEANDER.
ALSO ABOUT GEORGETOWN, GEORGETOWN MANAGES AN ELECTRIC WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY, AND MY EXPERIENCE AS A CONSULTANT NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, A UTILITY THAT HAS AN ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER UTILITY USES ELECTRIC REVENUES TO SUBSIDIZE WATER AND SEWER REVENUES.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER GEORGETOWN IS DOING THAT OR NOT.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY FAMILIARITY WITH GEORGETOWN.
WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF THEY WERE BECAUSE ELECTRIC IS A BIG TIME CASH COW, AND THAT ENABLES THEM TO SUPPORT A WATER AND SEWER REVENUES.
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IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT GEORGETOWN HAS A VERY AGGRESSIVE CONSERVATION RATE.LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT GEORGETOWN'S RATES VERSUS THE ANDREW'S RATE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, GEORGETOWN'S MINIMUM CHARGE IS ABOUT $10, LESS THAN THE ANDREWS FOR A THREE QUARTER INCH METER.
IF YOU USE BETWEEN ZERO AND 7,000 GALLONS, YOU'RE ONLY PAYING A DOLLAR 85 PER THOUSAND GALLONS TO GEORGETOWN, BUT ABOVE 7,000 GALLONS, IT GOES TO TWO 50, ABOUT 15,000 GALLONS.
IT GOES TO FOUR 80 AND ABOVE 25,000 GALLONS.
SO SOMEBODY WHO USES 25,000 GALLONS OR MORE IS PAYING FIVE TIMES AS MUCH PER THOUSAND GALLONS AS SOMEBODY WHO ONLY USES FIVE TO 7,000 GALLONS COMPARING USAGE LEVELS.
THE BREAK EVEN POINT IS ABOUT 47,000 GALLONS.
IF YOU USE 47,000 GALLONS OF LESS, YOU'RE PAYING MORE TO LEANDER THAN YOU ARE TO GEORGETOWN.
BUT IF YOU USE MORE THAN 47,000 GALLONS, YOU'RE PAYING MORE TO GEORGETOWN THAN YOU ARE TO LEANDER.
SO MATTER OF FACT, IF HE WAS 90 TO 100,000 GALLONS, YOU'RE PAYING A LOT MORE TO GEORGETOWN.
OH, LOOK, NOW THERE AREN'T THAT MANY, THERE AREN'T THAT MANY CUSTOMERS THAT USE 90 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS, BUT THERE ARE SOME, BUT GEORGETOWN HAS A VERY DIFFERENT RATE PHILOSOPHY THAN THE CITY OF LEANDER.
DOES THEY HAVE AN AGGRESSIVE CONSERVATION RATE? AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ALWAYS FAIR TO DO A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO.
EVERY RATE PAYER IS GOING TO BE UNIQUE.
EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IS GOING TO BE UNIQUE.
AND THE FINAL PART ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF CHARTS LEFT.
AND THE FINAL PART OF THE PRESENTATION, I WANT TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT YOUR WHOLESALE RATES RIGHT NOW, YOU CHARGE OR YOU PROVIDE WHOLESALE WATER SERVICE TO LIBERTY HILL.
YOU'VE USED THEIR WATER, YOU TREAT THEIR WATER AND YOU SUPPLY IT TO THEM.
UM, NOW WHEN YOU DO A WHOLESALE RATE, YOU ONLY CHARGE BASED ON ASSETS THAT ARE USED AND USEFUL TO THAT SYSTEM.
UM, AND SO MOST OF THE CITY OF LEANDER IS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE COST TO LIBERTY HILL.
IT JUST ISN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT USED IN USEFUL LIBERTY HILL.
LIBERTY HILL HAS A CONTRACT WHERE THEY PAID A RATE PLUS AN INFLATION PREMIUM FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AFTER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, WHICH ENDS IN 2023, I BELIEVE.
UM, THEN AFTER THAT YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO RESET THE RATE RIGHT NOW, FOSTER SERVICE RATE IS ABOUT 2 28 AND YOU'RE CHARGING ONLY YOU'RE CHARGING LIBERTY HILL ABOUT TWO 80.
SO YOU'RE CHARGING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE COST OF SERVICE RATE.
IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT EVEN NEXT YEAR IN 2023.
BUT LOOK AT THIS BY 2024, THROUGH 2026, YOUR RATE IS GOING TO YOUR COST OF SERVICE RATE IS GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN THE RATE THAN THE, UH, THAN THE CONTRACT RATE.
PLUS INFLATION BOTTOM LINE IS THE REASON IS THAT YOU'RE ADDING A LOT OF ASSETS TO YOUR RATE BASE.
YOU'RE DOING THE BIG, UH, TREATMENT PLAN EXPANSION.
AND AS THEY PAY MORE OF THAT, OR AS MORE OF THAT AS ASSIGNED TO THEM, THEIR COST GETS HIGHER.
SO WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT IN 2023, WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT YOU DO A MORE DETAILED CALCULATION AND YOU RESET THE LIBERTY HILL RATE ACCORDINGLY GEORGETOWN GEORGETOWN'S RIGHT NOW IS CONTRACTED TO PURCHASE ABOUT 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY'RE INITIALLY SLATED TO PURCHASE.
UH, THEY HAVE ALSO GOING TO BE UNDER A WHOLESALE CONTRACT THAT UNDER THE SAME METHODOLOGY, ONCE AGAIN, A WWE APPROVED, UM, THEIR RATE IS $2 AND 99 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS WITH A MONTHLY CHARGE OF $2,929.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BELOW WHAT YOUR COST OF SERVICE RATE IS.
BUT THE ODD THING ABOUT GEORGETOWN IS IF THEY INCREASE THEIR TAKE TO 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, HIS COST OF SERVICE RATES GOING TO COME WAY DOWN.
THE REASON, AGAIN, ECONOMIES OF SCALE, MORE WATER, YOU SELL LESS COST PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
SO 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, THEY'RE PAYING A RATE THAT'S BELOW WHAT THE COST IS, BUT IF IT GOES UP TO TWO TO 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THEIR RATE'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT YOUR COST IS.
SO REALLY A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH WATER THEY TAKE FROM YOU.
SO FINAL CHART, OH, SECOND TO FINAL CHART.
THIS IS A SUMMARY OF YOUR CASHFLOW.
YOUR CASHFLOW IS VERY HEALTHY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF YOUR CONTINGENCY BALANCE TO OFFSET YOUR DEBT, AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP YOUR LONG-TERM RATE PLAN.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A RETAIL WATER RATE INCREASE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SO, UH, JUST THE HUNTER, MY LAST CHART, UM, JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS PRESENTED IN THIS AS, AS, UH, MR. POWERS INDICATED AT THE OUTSET OF THIS, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A LOT INFORMATION TO, TO, UH, PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DIGEST ALL OF THIS AND DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST POLICY FOR THE CITY IS.
BUT INITIALLY OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
WE WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING A THREE YEAR WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE PLAN WITH NO CHANGE IN YOUR WATER RATES, BUT A FIVE TO 7% ANNUAL RATE ADJUSTMENT
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IN YOUR WASTEWATER SIDE.UM, YOU COULD, WE ALSO WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THE CONSERVATION ALTERNATIVE, DON'T HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT.
UH, BUT, UH, IT IS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, WASTEWATER EFFLUENT RATE.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT.
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO, BUT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, IT'S A GOOD THING TO REPLACE TREATED WATER WITH WASTEWATER EFFLUENT.
I MEAN, IT'S GOOD FOR THE IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
UM, THE, UH, THE OUTSIDE RATE PREMIUM OF 10% IS PERFECTLY REASONABLE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH RAINMAKING METHODOLOGY.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BELOW WHAT YOU PROBABLY COULD JUSTIFY CHARGING IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO, UM, CONTINUE YOUR LIBERTY HILL INFLATION ADJUSTMENTS.
AND THEN IN 2023, REVIEW THE RIGHT PLAN AGAIN AND SEE WHAT THEIR COST OF SERVICE RATES SHOULD BE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO KICK UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT MAINLY BECAUSE OF YOUR BIG WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OR YOUR BIG WATER TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION, AND THEN OF COURSE MAINTAIN YOUR GEORGETOWN RATE.
SO THAT'S A SUMMARY OF THE, A RATE STUDY WE'VE, UH, COMPLETED THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE REPORT, UH, WHICH PRESENTS AN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL, EVERYTHING I TOLD YOU TO YOU TONIGHT.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.
I HAVE MORE OF A COMMENT THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME HERE TOO, BUT YOU A MACHINE, I DON'T KNOW.
CAUSE I HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GO OVER SOME OF THIS THING, BUT I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE WHEN WE CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THIS AND GO BACK AND FORTH ON IT.
WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT WAS A LOT REALLY FAST.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO JUST A COMMENT WHILE THIS IS FRESH.
SO WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY BASED ON THE, UM, THE FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OUR CURRENT RATES AND WHERE THEY ARE, UH, IN RELATION TO SAY IT OUT LOUD, WHAT'S HERE IN FRONT OF US, WHERE IT STANDS IN THE, IN RELATION TO THE, THE SURROUNDING CITY, YOUR CURRENT RATES ARE ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE, OKAY, YOU'RE HIGHER THAN SOME YOU'RE LOWER THAN OTHERS.
YOUR RATES ARE CERTAINLY NOT DISPROPORTIONATE TO WHAT OTHER CITIES IN THIS AREA OF THE STATE OF TEXAS CHARGE FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE.
THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY NOT NOW LOOK, PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL BILLS VARY BASED ON A LOT OF FACTORS.
ONE IS HOW MUCH USAGE THEY HAVE.
IT'S VERY COMMON FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I GOT A BROTHER-IN-LAW WHO LIVES IN, UM, PFLUGERVILLE AND HE DOESN'T PAY ANYWHERE NEAR AS MUCH FOR WATER SERVICES.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HOW MUCH WATER IS THAT PERSON USING? RIGHT.
UM, AND SECONDLY, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT 30 TO 40% OF WATER UTILITIES, CHARGE RATES THAT DON'T COVER THEIR COSTS.
IS IT GOOD? I MEAN, IS IT BENEFICIAL TO A COMMUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO PAY A BELOW MARKET RATE FOR A PRODUCT? YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S NOT VERY GOOD BUSINESS.
I DON'T THINK TO SELL A PRODUCT FOR LESS THAN WHAT IT COST YOU TO PRODUCE IT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SELLING IT FOR, WHAT IT COSTS YOU TO PRODUCE IT.
YOU ALSO HAVE A WATER RESOURCE IT'S GUARANTEED FOR THE FUTURE.
MANY OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE THAT HAVE THAT OPTION, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOUR RATES ARE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHERE YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE.
OF COURSE WE WANT TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
SO YOU MENTIONED ON THE CONSERVATION PLAN, UH, AND, AND FORGIVE ME, MY NOTES MIGHT BE A LITTLE OUT OF LINE, UM, OR OUT OF WATER THAT THE SCALE, UH, LOWER VOLUME RATES OR LOWER VOLUME USERS, A LOWER RATE AND HIGHER USERS EQUAL HIGHER RATE.
NOW YOU HAD ALSO SAID PRIOR TO THAT, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOU ON THIS.
I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.
THE, UM, THAT WE, THE MORE WE SELL, THE MORE, THE MORE WE BENEFIT FROM IT.
RIGHT? SO IN THAT LOGIC, I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING BEHIND CONSERVATION AND, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO NOT BE BEHIND, BUT IN THAT, IN THAT SCENARIO, WHY WOULD WE PENALIZE HIGHER USERS? IF WE BENEFIT FROM SELLING THE COMMODITY, UM, WHEN WE SELL MORE, WHY WOULD WE PENALIZE THEM FOR BUYING MORE? AND THE ONLY CITIES THAT DO THAT ARE CITIES THAT ARE, HAVE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT FUTURE SUPPLIES.
SO IT'S A SUPPLY ISSUE SUPPLIER.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE I, I I'M, I UNDERSTAND THE CONSERVATION.
IT'S JUST, WHEN YOU TAKE THE NUMBERS AND ELIMINATE THE SUPPLY, RIGHT.
WHERE YOU JUST TAKE THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT, WHAT THE INTENT IS, WHAT THE MOTIVATION IS BEHIND IT.
SO THE, UM, AT WHAT POINT? WELL, THIS IS KIND OF IN RELATION TO THIS.
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DISCUSSION LATER.WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT WITH THAT.
OUR BRIEFING WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED AT 6 51.
WE WILL COME BACK TO OUR REGULAR MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
[5. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
IS THURSDAY, JULY 15TH, 2021.AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDER CITY COUNCIL.
UM, PASTOR MARK BROWN WILL BE PROVIDING OUR INVOCATION TONIGHT.
UM, BEFORE THAT THOUGH OUR, UM, CITY MANAGER'S GRANDMOTHER PASSED AWAY THIS MORNING.
SO WE'LL BE OBSERVING A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION.
AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WE THINK IT'S AN IDEAL, BUT GIVE YOU ALL THE GLORY.
WE GIVE YOU ALL THE HONOR, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT NATION, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT STATE, THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT CITY, THE CITY OF THE ENDO.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHOICE BLESSINGS OVER THIS COUNCIL AND MAYOR, WE INVITE YOU HOLY SPIRIT TO INVADE THIS ATMOSPHERE.
LET YOUR PRESENCE REST RULE, REMAIN AND ABIDE IN THIS HOUSE.
FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU TO GIVE WISDOM AND CLARITY TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AND THIS GREAT MAYOR MAY HAVE SET A QUEST SCOTT MAY OR MAY YOUR PRESENCE OVERSHADOWED THIS COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND LET THEM LEAVE.
NO, THEY HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
WE PRAY BLESSINGS OVER CHIEF MITTEN AND CHIEF WATSON.
AND AS THEY LEAD THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU SAID IN THE WORD WHATSOEVER, WE BIND ON EARTH WILL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN, WHATEVER, BUT LOOSEN OUR SUBWAY, LOOSEN HEAVEN.
AND WE BIND EVERY DEMONIC SPIRIT.
THAT'S OPPOSITE AGAINST YOUR WHEEL, YOUR WAY, YOUR WISDOM IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
AND WE LOSE UNITY WITH ALL THEM AND WISDOM AND YOUR WHEEL AND YOUR WAY, LET THIS COUNCIL A MAYOR BE UNITED FOR YOUR WHEEL AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR THIS CITY.
FATHER LETS EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR KNOW THEY ARE LOVED.
WE DECLARE DECREE AND PROCLAIMED US THAT YOU ARE THE CENTER, THE SARCOPHAGUS, THE BASE, THE BOUNDARY, THE SUM AND THE SUBSEQUENT LIFESTYLE ABOUT IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU.
WE DECLARED THE COMMUNITY IN JESUS' NAME AND THE HOUSE SAID, AMEN.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THE TEXAS FLAG.
[6. Roll Call.]
CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER CARE.COUNCIL MAYOR ASKED ME, MET MATT KEY LONGORIA HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON HERE.
COUNCILMAN CHRIS ARNETT, MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY ROSS HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE.
QUORUM IS PRESENT IN THE CITY.
[7. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda. Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council. [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.]]
ITEM SEVEN NON-AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
SO FIRST UP WE HAVE MOHATTA RANCH BAR.
AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
LET US THAN AN AVERAGE US 35 32.
AND HE'S A VIEW, UH, LEANDER, TEXAS, UH, LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TERESA NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST DOWN THE ROAD, UH, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I'LL KEEP THIS UNDER THE THREE MINUTES, UH, AS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY LANDER AND A REGISTERED VOTER RESIDING INTERVIEW.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE CONTINUED WATER OUTAGES TWO DAYS IN A ROW NOW, UH, NO WATER, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, NOT ALL OF HOMES, BUT A SIGNIFICANT
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NUMBER.UH, NOT ONLY WERE THERE WATER ISSUES DURING THE FEBRUARY FREEZE, BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUES TO HAVE THESE OUTAGES, RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE OVER 1000 HOMES CURRENTLY OCCUPIED, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE PROJECTED TOTAL OF 2,900 HOMES, UH, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMPLETED, UH, WE'RE A VERY LARGE VOTER BASE, RIGHT? UH, WE EXPECT THAT YOU, THE MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, I TAKE OUR NEEDS.
WATER IS AN ISSUE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
I RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY PART OF ANDREW, UH, BUT WE ARE AT A POSITION AND HEIGHT-WISE WHERE THERE IS SOME REMEDIATION NECESSARY, RIGHT? YOU SHOULD CONSIDER CONSTRUCTING A WATER TOWER.
OUR ELEVATION IS HIGHER THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, UH, THAT COULD POSSIBLY, UH, UH, FIX THE PROBLEMS. UM, OVERALL YOU NEED TO IMPROVE YOUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, YOUR SOFTWARE, YOUR CONTROLLERS, YOUR SUBSTATIONS, AND, UH, LOOK FOR AN ALTERNATE WATER SOURCE.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A TOPIC OF YOUR AGENDA, UH, PRIOR TO NIGHT'S MEETING, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE OUR COMMUNITY INTO PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE ARE BEING AFFECTED NOW ON A DAILY BASIS AND IT'S FOR SYSTEM SYSTEM FAILURES.
AND WE WILL HAVE A WATER UPDATE ON OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
MY NAME IS
SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY, UH, COMMUNITY, UM, OAK CREEK COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE BEEN DEALING, UH, WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUE FOR SO LONG.
I'VE BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING FOR OUR ISSUE.
IT'D BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION, THE NUMEROUS EMAIL AND CT ENGINEER, UH, WITH AVERA OF DEATH AND ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE BASICALLY IS THE WATER IS COMING FROM THE HOA AREA AND COMMON AREA OFF OF THE SAN GABRIEL FROM THE NORTH OF THE, UH, UH, MS.
AND ALSO THERE'S NOT PROPER DITCH AS IT'S DESIGNED AND ON THE PUBLIC RECORD OF THE CITY, IT SHOWS THAT HE'S A DITCH OVER THERE, BUT THIS DITCH HADN'T BEEN BUILT AT ALL.
SO ALL THE WATER, ALL THAT THERE, FUNGUS ALGAE, AND LOTS OF MOSQUITOES.
AND THIS IS A SAFETY HAZARD, THIS AND IS MATI SLOSH ALL THE TIME.
IF HE CANNOT USE OUR BACKYARD AND WE ARE REALLY SUFFERING FROM THAT AND IT HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG, UH, LAST YEAR, SEPTEMBER, I WAS HERE AND THANKS TO MR. JASON SHAW.
HE ALSO HAD A VISIT AT THE, AT THE SIDE.
WE, UH, UH, INSPECT THE SEVERAL HOUSE, INCLUDING MY HOUSE AND HIS SOM WHENEVER HIS RAIN IS FLOODING INTO OUR BACKYARD.
AND WE WOULD BEEN PROMISED BY CITY ENGINEER AT THAT TIME, MR. WAYNE WATSON, AND WITH THE LEGAL TEAM, MS. BARBARA, IF I'M NOT MISTAKING THAT THEY SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND $80,000 TO FIX THE ISSUE BECAUSE THEY SAID THE MEGA TELL THE BUILDER HAD THE PROPOSAL, BUT APPARENTLY IT DOES A DIFFERENT CITY NAME OF TEXAS FOR THE CITY OF THE ENDER INSTEAD.
SO THEY SAID ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
SO LOTS OF PEOPLE HERE, THE RAZOR OPERA, OKAY.
THIS ISSUE HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED YET.
THE FINAL DECISION WAS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER AND MAKE HOTEL.
SO I'LL SEE HIM BACK ON FEBRUARY.
PARTIALLY HAD BEEN FIXED BEHIND THE FIRE STATION A LITTLE BIT.
UH, TEACHERS HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, FIXED, BUT, UH, THE REST FROM THE MUSTANG TO THE, UH, BROADWAY HASN'T BEEN FIXED AT ALL.
SO WE'RE REALLY HERE TO GET THE ANSWER FROM Y'ALL TO SEE WHEN Y'ALL GONNA FIX IT.
WE WERE BEING REALLY SUFFERING FROM THAT.
AND AGAIN, LOTS OF, OF THIS, UH, UH, UH, CITY MEMBER BEEN IN THE LOOP WITH THE, UH, EMAIL AND IN PERSON.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. GRIMSBY IS GOING TO DISCUSS THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
OH, DID THAT MESSAGE NOT CAME BACK? OKAY.
UM, HE'S GOING TO DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE AT
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IN THAT PROCESS AND NEXT STEPS WITH YOU, IF YOU WANT TO JUST COME OVER HERE.THOMAS PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS FRANKIE THOMAS 1801 BUFFALO SPEEDWAY, LEANDER, TEXAS.
SO I SENT AN EMAIL TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT A FREE FEW CONCERNS.
I TOUCHED ON THE ADDITIONAL HIGH DENSITY HOUSING THAT WAS APPROVED.
THE IMPACT HIGH-DENSITY HOUSING HAS ON THE CITY WATER SHORTAGE ISSUES, THE WOMEN'S SHELTER, THE NEED TO ATTRACT MORE BUSINESSES AND THE AGENDA ITEM RELATING TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PLACE THREE AND SIX.
UH, BECKY ROSS, YOUR COMMENT, MY EMAIL WHERE'S BECKY, UH, WAS QUOTE AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH THE MEETING AND HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING MY VOTES.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO DISCUSS, TO DISCUSS UNQUOTE, THIS SNARKY COMMENT AND YOUR OWN WILLINGNESS TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR WHY YOU VOTED THE WAY YOU DID CONFIRMS MY SUSPICIONS THAT YOUR DESIRE TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL WAS MERELY A MOVED ENHANCER RESUME.
HOWEVER, BASED ON YOUR ATTITUDE, I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS CHECK MARK FOR YOUR RESUME.
FURTHERMORE, YOU WENT ON TO SAY, QUOTE, I SERVED WITH COMMISSIONER STYLES IN MAY ON P AND Z.
I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE AGENDA ITEM, NOR COULD I DISCUSS ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM.
HOWEVER, THE ASSUMPTIONS BEING MADE ARE FAULTS.
UNQUOTE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE FALSE? YOUR COMMENTS ARE CONTRADICTORY, BUT I HOPE YOU ENJOYED WRITING YOUR EMAIL RESPONSE IN THE MOMENT, CONSIDERING IT REPRESENTED A COMPLETE LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND PROFESSIONALISM, CHRIS AND KATHERINE, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ALSO RESPOND.
AND YOU BOTH EXPRESS THAT YOU OPPOSE THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING PROJECT.
ADDITIONALLY, CATHERINE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GOING THE EXTRA STEP IN CLARIFYING AND EXPLAINING TO ME THE RESEARCH THAT YOU DID THAT LED YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE WOMEN'S SHELTER.
UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WOMEN'S SHELTERS DO NOT OFTEN LEAD TO ADDITIONAL FIRST RESPONDERS SPORT EASE MY MAIN CONCERN AS I HAD STATED IN MY EMAIL.
UM, CHRISTINE, UNFORTUNATELY, I FELT THAT YOU PROVIDED SOMEWHAT MISLEAD A SOMEWHAT MISLEADING STATEMENT IN YOUR EMAIL RESPONSE THAT SEEMS TO INDICATE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE IN FAVOR OF THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING WITH YOUR STATEMENT QUOTE.
I GAVE COUNCIL EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE HOMES OVER THE APARTMENT AND NOBODY CHOSE IT.
UNQUOTE, PERHAPS YOU FAILED TO READ MY EMAIL IN ITS ENTIRETY, AS MY INTENT WAS NOT TO ADD HOUSES OVER HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.
MY POINT WAS WITH HOUSING PRICES, REAL ESTATE IS VERY COSTLY AND AS SOON PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD APARTMENTS AND MANDER WAS A STRETCH LUXURY OR OTHERWISE, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY POINT.
ADDITIONALLY, YOUR STATEMENT QUOTE, IT'S A MAJOR INTERSECTION, WHICH IS WHERE DENSITY SHOULD GO.
UNQUOTE IS SHORT-SIGHTED AT BEST AND MAJOR INTERSECTION WOULD BE BEST USED FOR STRICTLY COMMERCIAL WITH HIGH DENSITY HOUSING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OFFSET FROM THE MAJOR INTERSECTION, BUT NOT PLACED IN A PRIME LOCATION, AS YOU INDICATED.
AND THAT'S ASSUMING WORD HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IS EVEN NEEDED.
WHAT INFORMATION DEMONSTRATED NEED FOR LUXURY ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
THAT'S EVERYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY.
[8. Staff Reports Monthly Water Report]
ITEM EIGHT, STAFF REPORTS, MONTHLY WATER REPORT, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, GINA ELLISON.THIS IS THE REPORT FOR THE WATER USAGE FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE CITY.
SO I USUALLY START WITH THE LCRA GRAPH THAT SHOWS THE LAKE STORAGE LEVELS.
UM, AS OF JULY 1ST, THE LAKES WERE AT 1.6, 6 MILLION ACRE FEET, WHICH THEY CONSIDER LIKE THE TWO LAKES COMBINED AT 2 MILLION AS FULL.
SO THAT WOULD BE 83% FULL, UH, COMPARED TO A YEAR AGO, WE WERE, THEY WERE AT ABOUT 1.7, 5 MILLION.
I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 87% FULL WHERE THEY DECLINED UP UNTIL THE RAINS OF MAY.
AND THEN THEY PROJECT FORWARD FOR SIX MONTHS.
IF WE CONTINUE TO STAY WHAT WE'LL END UP ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN DRY WOULD BE ABOUT 65%.
FOR THE DAILY WATER USE IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF LITTLE MINOR ERRORS HERE.
I IN THE MONTHLY REPORT THAT YOU GUYS GOT LAST FRIDAY, I HAD THIS AS 13.65.
IT'S ACTUALLY 13.995 FOR THE PEAK FOR LAST YEAR.
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AND THEN THESE TWO VALUES RIGHT HERE FOR THE AVERAGE ON THE TAKE POINTS WERE AT ZERO.SO JUST SOME LITTLE TYPE, EXCUSE ME, TYPOS IN THERE.
SO, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE FOR THE TRENDS, UH, FOR JULY, SORRY FOR JUNE, WE WERE WELL BELOW, UM, THE USAGE FOR LAST MONTH BY ABOUT, UM, 78 MILLION GALLONS.
UM, WE STARTED OFF PRETTY WET, SO IT WAS PRETTY LOW.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THESE OTHER DIPS WHERE IT RAINED AGAIN.
AND THE PEAK WAS ALMOST 2 MILLION LESS THAN THE PEAK FOR THAT LAST YEAR.
SIMILARLY WITH THE MONTHLY USAGE, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THE MONTHS, WE WERE TRENDING ALONG KIND OF AT OR ABOVE, UM, THE USAGE FOR THE YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAD THE RAIN, THE AMAZING, UH, SORRY, THE RAINS IN MAY, AND THEN WE'RE, UM, RIGHT HERE, EVEN BELOW THE THREE YEAR AVERAGE.
SO WE'RE STILL TRENDING, TRENDING PRETTY GOOD.
BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM LAST YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH, TO GET, GET THROUGH THESE PEAKS.
AND THEN THE PEAK DAY, AGAIN, WE WERE KIND OF AT, OR ABOVE THE PEAK FOR 2020, WE DIPPED PRETTY GOOD IN MAY.
AND THEN WE'RE RIGHT ON LIKE THE THREE-YEAR AVERAGE, UM, FOR JUNE ALWAYS COMING UP WITH FUN WAYS TO SHOW YOU COMPARISONS TO LAST YEAR.
SO, UM, THIS ONE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE THE BLUE IS THE WATER FROM SANDY CREEK AND THEN THE GREEN IS OUR OR WATER.
AND THEN WE ADDED IN HERE IN THE PEAT PINK OR RED, UM, WOULD BE WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER ALMOST EVERY DAY, LAST YEAR.
UM, THIS LINE YOU CAN SEE, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRENDING UP THE KIND OF DARK BLUE DASH LINE, AND THEN THIS ONE'S A LITTLE HARDER TO SEE, BUT THAT'S THE TREND AND THERE'S ABOUT A FOUR TO 5 MILLION GALLON DIFFERENCE FROM LAST YEAR OVER THIS YEAR.
THIS ONE SHOWS THE AVERAGE OR THE KIND OF THE YEAR OVER YEAR AVERAGE.
UM, THE DARK BLUE IS OUR SANDY CREEK WATER AND THE LIGHT BLUE IS IT'D BE CREI WATER.
AND THE ORANGE IS THE COMBINED.
IT'S ABOUT A 70, 30 SPLIT RIGHT NOW WHERE SANDY CREEK IS DOING ABOUT 70% OF THE WATER USAGE OR THE WATER PRODUCTION AND USING ABOUT 30%, UM, AS WE START TO GET HOTTER AND DRIER, UM, HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, PROBABLY CAUSE THE RAINS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SLOWING DOWN.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ACTIVATE THAT INTERCONNECT AND TRY TO TRY TO SMOOTH THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT AND TAKE SOME OF THAT DEMAND OFF OF SANDY AND, AND START TO UTILIZE MORE.
ARE YOU AT WATER? THE FINAL CHART FROM MY GRAPH IS THE CONNECTIONS YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THE PAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
UM, THERE'S A, LET'S SEE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO READ 24,500 CONNECTIONS.
TOTAL IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ABOUT 3,700 CONNECTIONS MORE THAN LAST YEAR, ABOUT 3,500 OF THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS THAT WE'RE AT KIND OF SLIDE.
HERE ARE SOME OTHER WATER UPDATES
SO IT GAVE US ABOUT 4 MILLION GALLONS, MORE IN TREATMENT CAPACITY TO OUR OVERALL SYSTEM AND PROJECTS THAT IMPACT THAT, OR ARE IMPACTED BY THAT USAGE.
UM, OUR, THE BAGHDAD INTERCONNECT AND THE SAN GABRIEL WATER LINES.
SO THE SAN GABRIEL WATERLINE, AS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, ALLOWS US TO TAKE ABOUT A MILLION TO A MILLION AND A HALF MORE GALLONS PER DAY FROM BCR WAY.
IT TAKES KIND OF THIS DARK PINK AREA OFF OF SANDY CREEK.
AND THEN THE INTERCONNECT DOWN HERE ALLOWS US TO PUT ABOUT TWO TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS STRAIGHT INTO OUR CRYSTAL FALSE SYSTEM AND THEN KIND OF IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO USING THOSE TWO PROJECTS HELPS US TO MOVE THIS
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE PHASE TWO TO PHASE ONE QUESTION QUESTION, MARK, BECAUSE WE ARE STILL KIND OF IN THAT SAME SITUATION, WE WERE LAST SUMMER, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE SAME CONNECTIONS IN PLACE OR NOT IN PLACE AS THE CASE MAY BE.
SO, UM, IT'S CRITICAL TO GET THESE, THESE TWO PROJECTS ONLINE TO UTILIZE THAT VCR WATER.
UM, SO WE'D STILL WANT TO LOOK AT OUR DEMANDS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS WE GET HOTTER AND DRIER.
UM, AND I KNOW WE TALK A LOT ABOUT PEAK DAY, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE CHART.
UM, PEAK HOUR FOR US IS REALLY CRITICAL.
SO THE STAR CRYSTAL FALLS TANK, WHICH IS REALLY PRETTY MUCH THE HEART OF THE CITY.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WE GAINED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUSHING WATER, MAKING WATER, ONCE IT HITS ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT AT NIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WORK COVERING W W YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND
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IS SOMEWHAT HARD ON THE SYSTEM.AND SO WE GET DOWN HERE, 6:00 AM AFTER EVERYBODY'S DONE WATERING AND SHOWERING AND EVERYTHING.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR TANK LEVELS ARE AT SEVEN FEET OR SIX FEET.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MONITOR IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS WE GET HOT AND DRY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OURSELVES IN A BAD SITUATION.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, OH, COMPLIANCE AND IRRIGATION.
I TALKED TO JOSH HE'S OUT OF TOWN, BUT, UM, BEGINNING NEXT WEEK CODE, ENFORCEMENT'S GONNA REACH OUT TO SOME OF OUR HIGH END USERS, UM, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND JUST TALK TO THEM, KIND OF SURVEY THEM, UM, SEE WHAT THEIR WATERING SITUATION IS, POTENTIALLY GIVE THEM POINTERS LOOK FOR ANY RED FLAGS, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE CAN START TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT, UM, COMPLIANCE FOR THE IRRIGATION.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAD, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO I GUESS YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO STAY IN PHASE TWO UNTIL, UH, AROUND SEPTEMBER WHEN THE OTHER PIECES COME ON LIFE.
I WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
UM, I MEAN, WE, WE ALWAYS SEE OUR PEAKS IN AUGUST AND, AND IT'S, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP OUT AND THEN HAVE TO GO BACK AND THEN SOMETIMES WE GO BACK AND IT'S TOO LATE, YOU KNOW, SO I I'D HATE TO JUMP AROUND AND I'D RATHER WORK ON GETTING COMPLIANCE AND GETTING PEOPLE EDUCATED.
AND, AND THEN THANK YOU BETTER NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN, UM, COULD YOU BRIEFLY GO OVER THE SITUATION IN TRIVIA, SO, AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE ISSUES.
UM, TWO DAYS AGO WE HAD IN THE MORNING, UM, A FAILURE IN THE SCADA SYSTEM.
SO THE COMPUTER AT THE PUMP STATION WAS INCORRECTLY READING THE PRESSURES.
SO IT THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I READ AT 80, BUT PRESSURES WERE ACTUALLY MORE LIKE 30.
AND SO IT DIDN'T TELL THE PUMPS TO KICK ON AND BOOST THE WATER AND GET IT OUT INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF IT.
IT DIDN'T ALERT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE PRESSURE WAS AT 80 PSI.
SO, UM, UNTIL WE STARTED GETTING CALLS ABOUT 5:00 AM, WHEN PEOPLE STARTED NOTICING THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE WATER, SO WE WERE ONSITE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET IT KIND OF BACK AND GOING AGAIN.
UM, AND THEN I THINK ALSO THAT IS THE ISSUE FROM TODAY WAS ALSO PROBABLY HAPPENING YESTERDAY AS WELL, BUT WE WEREN'T AWARE, SO YET TODAY, SAME THING HAPPENS AGAIN OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING SIMILAR OR PRESSURE STARTED DROPPING.
AND I MEAN, THE ONLY THING IT CAN BE AS THAT 24 INCH THAT GOES INTO TERESA.
SO WE KNEW SOMETHING AND THERE'S SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE.
WE FIGURED SOMETHING HAD TO BE CLOSED OR PARTIALLY CLOSED.
AND SO SURE ENOUGH, WE FOUND A VALVE THAT WAS MAYBE THREE QUARTERS CLOSED, UM, THAT WE THOUGHT WAS OPEN, OR WE DON'T KNOW WHO CLOSED IT.
SO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO OPEN THAT PRESSURE'S RESUMED, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A LOCKING MECHANISM MECHANISM ON THAT VALVE, SO IT DOESN'T GET CLOSED AGAIN, INCORRECT.
THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE.
SO, UM, THERE'S NOT, NOT ANY WAY TO TELL WHO CLOSED IT OR WHEN IT WAS CLOSED.
SO WE THINK THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY CLOSED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AS WELL, CONTRIBUTING TO THE ISSUES THAT WERE TWO DAYS AGO.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE SKATER GOES, WE'RE GETTING SOME STAGNANT, SORRY.
I WAS TOLD NOT TO SAY STAGNANT AROUND WATER.
SO STABILIZING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE PRESSURE'S READ AT EXACTLY 80 FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, SEND US AN ALARM.
SO WE CAN, WE HAVE SIMILAR ALARMS IN OUR TANKS, UM, WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TANKS FLUCTUATE AS WELL.
SO IF THE TANK STAYS AT EXACTLY 20 FEET FOR MORE THAN FIVE OR 10 MINUTES, SOMETHING MIGHT NOT BE WRONG.
SO WE'RE PUTTING A SIMILAR ALARM FOR PRESSURES ON THE PUMP STATION AT, AT TR EXCUSE ME AT TREVISO, UM, SO THAT WE CAN AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU'VE UPDATED THE, THE, UM, ALARM SYSTEM THAT GIVES YOUR SYSTEM THAT CONTROLS THAT DONE TOMORROW.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE DONE YET, RIGHT? WE HAVE STAFF ON SITE.
UM, WE HAD THEM OUT THERE TODAY, UM, THIS MORNING AROUND 3:00 AM, BECAUSE THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHEN THE ISSUES START HAPPENING, RIGHT.
EVERYBODY'S IRRIGATION KICKS ON, UM, SAME THING.
SO THE VALVE WAS OPEN ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN PRESSURES UNTIL THE IRRIGATION KICKED ON, AND THEN IT STARTED, IT STARTED TO BOTTOM OUT.
SO, UM, WE HAD STAFF ONSITE THIS MORNING AT 3:00 AM AND WE'LL HAVE THEM AGAIN, UM, THIS TOMORROW MORNING AT 3:00 AM TO ASSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS OPERATING PROPERLY AND SOMEONE CAN THE ONSITE.
SO WE EXPECT AN ALL CLEAR SOMETIME TOMORROW.
SO SOMETIME TOMORROW, SO WE'LL KNOW TOMORROW.
WELL, THE PLC IS OPERATING PROPERLY TODAY.
THE COMPUTER, SORRY, THE COMPUTER, THE PUMP STATION WAS OPERATING PROPERLY TODAY, BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO MONITOR IT UNTIL WE CAN GET THE SCADA AND THE ALERTS PUT IN, UM, TO LET US KNOW, SO THAT THAT'LL BE DONE TOMORROW.
AND THEN, UM, THE VALVE IS, THE VALVE IS OPEN.
SO IT'S EVERYTHING, AS LONG AS NOBODY CLOSES IT, BUT WE'LL GET THE LOCKS PUT ON.
I'LL, I'LL GET A TIMELINE ON THAT.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION IT'S REALLY MORE OF A, A REQUEST, UM, BASED ON THE, WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE PHASE TWO, OTHER THAN THOSE OF US IN THE ROOM OR ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING, I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE IF WE CAN HAVE OUR WEBSITE UPDATED TO SET EXPECTATION,
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BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S LIKE EVERY DAY, WHEN IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE, THEN IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN.AND THAT RAN INTO RESISTANCE AND ROLLING THERE, AND WE IGNORE IT.
SO IF, IF MAYBE YOU COULD GET WITH MIKE AND SURE.
NOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO THE TRIGGERS AND THIS TAKE PLACE BEFORE WE CAN DO THIS AND JUST SET THAT EXPECTATION.
SO PEOPLE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE MORE WILLING TO COMPLY WHEN THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY.
SO HOW MANY VALVES, OTHER BELLS AROUND THE CITY, CAN SOMEBODY JUST HAVE ACCESS TO THE MAIN WATER LINES? I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND DAN FROM, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO.
WE PUT LOCKS ON THEM BECAUSE ARE THEY UNLOCKED? SO IF BREAKS, BUT RIGHT.
HOW DOES, WHO HAS ACCESS TO THEM? I'VE I ASKED MY SUPERVISOR THE SAME THING AND HE SAID THAT THEY'VE NEVER PUT, HAD TO PUT LOCKS ON VALVES.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN WATER, 24 INCH EVEN.
SO, I MEAN, I SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE.
I CAN JUST GO TURN A KNOB AND WRITE 80 TURNS, BUT YEAH.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT REDUNDANCY IN THE SOFTWARE AS FAR AS MONITORING? IS THERE NO REDUNDANCY? WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT LAPTOP GOES DOWN THERE? SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT SYSTEM AT THE BOOSTER PUMP AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE SYSTEM AT OUR OFFICE.
SO IF THE OFFICE IS NOT READING OR NOT GETTING THE SIGNAL FROM THAT, IT SENDS AN ALERT AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE SIGNAL FROM THE ON-SITE SCADA.
IT'S ALSO THE, THE MASTER AND ALERT TOO.
SO IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE ON-CALL PHONE, WHICH IS 20 MAN, TWENTY FOUR SEVEN.
IF THAT SENDS AN ALERT TO OUR UTILITY SUPERVISOR, TO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, AND THEN I'M ON THE FOURTH ONE.
SO IF, IF NONE OF THOSE, IT HAS FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPETENT.
THERE WAS NO ALERT THAT GOT ME BACK TO THE REDUNDANCY.
BUT THAT, I MEAN THAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAIN WATER LINE, RIGHT? SURE.
SO THOSE, I THERE'S, THERE'S A MILLION COMPONENTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ANYTHING WITH THAT MAIN WATERLINE, BUT THE WATERLINE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SKATER CONNECTED TO IT.
WATERLINES DON'T HAVE SCADA CONNECTED IT, THE PUMP STATION HAS THE SCADA WITH THE PUMP PRESSURE.
SO WE'LL GET THERE AND I GET IT.
WE CAN'T, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY LEVELS OF REDUNDANCY, SO WE'LL GO BACK.
SO WE THINK IT WAS SOMEBODY WENT AND TURNED THE VALVE OFF.
THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE WHOLE THING.
WE SHOULD REALLY TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND THEN, UH, I WANT TO GO TO PEAK DAY.
IS THAT STILL WEDNESDAY NIGHTS? HAVE WE SEEN ANY EQUILIBRIUM ACROSS ANY OF THE DAYS? IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL WITH ALL THE RAIN, HONESTLY, SO NO WAYMO.
SO WE WATCH, WE WATCH THE WATER USAGE, RIGHT.
IS IT STILL MORE WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THURSDAY MORNING.
SO IT'S NOT CHANGING, IT'S NOT EQUILIBRIUM BETWEEN THE OTHER SIX DAYS OF THE WEEK.
SO WHAT IS, AND THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FROM MIKE, WHAT HAS BEEN THE PR CAMPAIGN BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S IRRIGATION, RIGHT? AND I SAY THIS, I THINK EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, I GO TO MY NEIGHBORS AND THEIR SPRINKLERS.
I JUST, EVEN IN THIS WET SEASON, WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A CITY, RIGHT.
TO COMMUNICATE FOR PEOPLE, HEY, THIS IS THE CAUSE.
AND SO WE'VE HAD THAT ORDINANCE INTO PLACE FOR MONTHS, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, ANY CHANGES STILL WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WHAT'S KILLING US WHEN DAN GAVE HIS PRESENTATION YESTERDAY, WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
SO WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO RAMP UP THAT COMMUNICATION BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT ON PURPOSE.
THEY DON'T KNOW THAT SEEMS, I KNOW YOUR SPRINKLERS ARE ON.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT THAT PR CAMPAIGN IS ESSENTIAL.
ESPECIALLY LIKE DAN WAS SAYING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE THE WATER IF WE JUST COMMUNICATE AND EDUCATE OUR POPULATION.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO GET ON THAT.
YOU KEEP ARGUING, NOT DIRECTING.
DRINKING, RICK AND ROBERT CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
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CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 11 COUNCIL.AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF, UM, JUST WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, ELPAC, IF, IF THEY HAD SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO SAY OR SHARE, OR JUST GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY JUST TO, FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY AND GREAT JOB ELPAC.
THE SCULPTURE GARDEN LOOKS AMAZING.
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ALL RIGHT.[12. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 20-TOD-Z-010 to amend the current zoning of T6 Urban Core within the PUD/TOD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development) to create the Leander Marketplace PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning district GC-3-A (General Commercial); and to adopt Subdivision Cases 20-TOD-CP-002 Concept Plan and 20-TOD-PP-010 Preliminary Plat on a portion of a parcel of land approximately 8.459 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031600; and generally located to the northeast of Hero Way and US 183, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 20-TOD-Z-010 and Subdivision Cases 20-TOD-CP-002 and 20-TOD-PP-010 as described above.]
ITEM 12, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 20 T O D Z 0 1 0 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OFUM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF US 180 3 AND HERO WAY.
UM, THIS REQUEST INCLUDES CREATING A PUD WITH THE GC THREE
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES APPROVING THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE PROJECT.
THIS REQUEST WOULD REMOVE THE PROPERTY FROM THE TOD STANDARDS AND WOULD COMPLY WITH CONVENTIONAL ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THEY HAVE A FEW WAIVERS AND A FEW HIGHER STANDARDS INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST.
THEY ARE REQUESTING TO ALLOW PYLON SIGNS ALONG 180 3 AND TO, UM, REDUCE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS ALONG HERE AWAY.
UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING HIGHER MASONRY STANDARDS AS WELL AS SCREENING.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST DURING THE MAY 27TH MEETING.
AND THEY DID RECOMMEND TO NOW THE REQUESTS WITH THREE TO F TWO VOTES, THE APPLICANT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR JUNE 17TH, BUT THEY REQUESTED TO POSTPONE IT TO TODAY.
AND WE DID MAIL NEW NOTIFICATIONS AND, UH, POSTED SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A RED LINE COPY OF THE NOTES IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THERE WAS MO ONE MINOR TO THE PUD NOTES THAT, UM, IT WAS LEFT OUT AN ERROR.
SO IT'S JUST A SCRIBNER'S ERROR THAT WE CORRECTED.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCILMEN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M AN URBAN PLANNER WITH STANTEC CONSULTING, WHICH IS A MULTI-DISCIPLINARY FIRM DESIGN FIRM.
I'M THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE APPLICATIONS THAT ROBIN JUST MENTIONED FOR THE PROPERTY AT HIRO WAY.
AND 180 3 DUE TO THE FLOOD PLAIN ACROSS THE, TO THE SOUTH OF THIS INTERSECTION, ONLY TWO CORNERS AT THE INTERSECTION ARE ACTUALLY DEVELOPABLE.
ONE IS THE HEB LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND THIS PART OF THE PARCEL ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER FOR THAT NORTHEAST CORNER, WE HAVE REQUESTED THE PUD ZONING WITH A GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING TO RESPOND TO MARKET NEEDS AND TO ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY EQUALITY DEVELOPMENT WITH A UNIQUE MIX OF YOU LOCAL REGIONAL AND NATIONAL TENANTS THAT OFFER CHOICES TO THE LANDER COMMUNITY.
THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU ENVISIONS SMALL TO MEDIUM SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, AND POTENTIALLY OFFICE, THE FIVE BUILDINGS ON SITE TOTAL, APPROXIMATELY 38,000 SQUARE FEET, LOTS, A D AN E.
THE BUILDINGS ON THOSE LOTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE SINGLE TENANT BUILDINGS.
WHEREAS THE BUILDING ON THAT C IS EXPECTED TO BE A TWO TENANT BUILDING.
THEIR LARGER BUILDING ON THE BACK HERE, UM, COULD BE A SINGLE TENANT, BUT IS EXPECTED TO BE A MULTI-TENANTS.
ALL BUILDINGS WILL BE LESS THAN 35 FEET IN HEIGHT AND FACE HIRO WAY.
AND THE FUTURE EAST STREET WHERE POSSIBLE APPROPRIATE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING WILL ALSO BE PROVIDED AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED VEHICULAR CONNECTION FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE CURRENTLY VACANT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH SHOWN RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS, OR TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO ENTER THE PROPERTY VIA HERE, AWAY BY A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY, LOCATED HERE OR, UM, FROM EITHER DRIVE ON EAST STREET.
ONCE IT'S BUILT HERE AND UP HERE, THE PORTION OF EAST STREET SHOWN, WHICH IS NORTH OF HERO WAY IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW WITH THE CITY ONCE BUILT.
IT WILL ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING EAST STREET RIGHT OF WAY, SOUTH OF HERO WAY, AND WILL EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO OLD TOWN.
THE ONGOING PANDEMIC HAS PUSHED TENANTS TO WANT MORE OUTDOOR SPACE.
WE EXPECT THAT ALL THE RESTAURANTS WILL HAVE OUTDOOR DINING AREA, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE AN OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN THIS PHOTO, SUCH AMENITIES.
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THE MIX OF TENANTS ARE EXPECTED TO ATTRACT FAMILIES FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, ALONG WITH VISITORS TO LEANDER THE TENANTS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAVE SPOKEN TO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN LOCATING INTO LEANDER, AND THEY REALLY WANT TO BE NEAR AN HEB SUCH AS THE ONE TO THE WEST ACROSS 180 3 TENANT TENANTS, SUCH AS HAT CREEK BURGERS AND SHERWIN WILLIAMS. TORCHY'S SPECS, PLUCKERS MARTY'S WALK ONS, AND MORE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE ARE THE ADDITIONAL TENANTS THAT THE DEVELOPERS TALKING TO.AND MANY OF THESE TENANTS ARE INTERESTED IN A MORE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT LIKE THE ONE PROPOSED AND ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LOCATING IN A DENSE WALKABLE COMMUNITY LIKE THE EXISTING ZONING REQUIRES.
UM, OUR INTENT IS TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS REQUIRED OF THE BASE ZONING CATEGORY.
HOWEVER, WE REQUEST THAT WE ARE ALLOWED ONE PYLON SIGN ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY MIDWAY BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH BOUNDARIES PROPERTY LINES, ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND RELIEVE FROM THE DRIVEWAY SPACING ALONG HERO WAY.
THE CURRENT PROPERTY FRONTAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 630 FEET, AND THERE ARE REQUIRED DRIVEWAY.
SO EVEN IF THE DRIVEWAY IS PLACED IN THE MID POINT OF THAT FRONTAGE, WE CAN'T POSSIBLY MEET THE STANDARD.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION OF THAT SPACING REQUIREMENT TO, UM, NO LESS THAN 300 FEET FOR THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SHOWN AT APPROXIMATELY 210 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED THE HIGHER STANDARDS THAT ROBIN MENTIONED, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN COORDINATION WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE INCLUDED A 10 FOOT MINIMUM PAVED TRAIL THAT WOULD CONNECT WITH THE SIDEWALK AT EURO WAY, AND THE RAILROAD CONTINUE NORTH ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PROPERTY.
ALSO WE'VE PROPOSED A 15 FOOT MINIMUM LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THAT SAME PROPERTY LINE TO HELP SHADE THE, UM, PATH FOR THE PEDESTRIANS THAT MAY USE IT OR BICYCLISTS OR WHOMEVER.
UM, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL INCLUDE A 90% MASONRY REQUIREMENT AND TYPE A ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT.
WE BELIEVE WE CAN ASK FOR THESE CONCERNS OR CONSIDERATIONS FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
THE FIRST IS IN MARCH OF 2020, COUNCIL VOTED TO ALLOW PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE PROPERTY ARE CURRENT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED UNDER THE SMART CODE TO REQUEST THAT THEIR DEVELOPMENTS BE REVIEWED UNDER CONVENTIONAL ZONING.
SECONDLY, THE CURRENT TOD ZONING COVERS ALMOST 2300 ACRES, AND THIS TYPE OF ZONING REQUIRES TENANTS WHO WANT TO LOCATE IN A DENSE WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS WANT TO LIVE THERE AND SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL LOCATED THERE IN TURN LOCATE, LOCATION, AMENITIES, AND QUALITY D.
AND THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT NEED TO BRING IN RENT AND LEASING TERMS THAT SUPPORT THE HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
OTHERWISE THE DEVELOPER CAN NOT AFFORD TO DO THE PROJECT IF IN THIS CASE, IF THIS CASE IS NOT APPROVED, THEIR PROPERTY OWNER EXPECTS THE PROPERTY OF HER REMAIN FOR REMAIN VACANT FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS OR MORE.
AND THAT TIME TENANTS LIKE THOSE, THE DEVELOPERS TALK TO WILL LOCATE, COULD LOCATE FURTHER NORTH ON 180 3, UP TO 29 AND MAY SKIP LEANDER ALTOGETHER.
NEXT, WE BELIEVE THE DEMAND FOR A DENSE WALKABLE COMMUNITY WILL BE MET BY THE RECENTLY APPROVED PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, JUST NORTH OF THIS ONE FURTHER, THERE ARE EXAMPLES NEARBY WHERE A WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT STRUGGLED UNTIL A MORE CONVENTIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WAS BUILT ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO IT.
LASTLY, THIS PROJECT WILL RESULT IN ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE AVERAGE ANNUAL SALES TAX FOR SEVERAL OF THE POTENTIAL TENANTS, WHICH REPRESENTS A REALISTIC MIX OF TENANTS THAT ARE EXPECTED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THEIR COMBINED ANNUAL SALES ARE TWO ARE ESTIMATED AT $24 MILLION.
AND THE CITY COULD IN TEST ANTICIPATE ABOUT $240,000
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IN SALES TAX REVENUE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT DEVELOP A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS FOR TWO REDUCES THAT RETAIL LEAKAGE THAT I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HEARD ABOUT TO PLACES LIKE CEDAR PARK GEORGETOWN AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.AS ROBIN MENTIONED, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS PROJECT IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS A, WHAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF THEM.
THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS THE REVISED, UM, THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UH, DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, JUST TO HELP YOU OUT HERE.
I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND OVERLAY THE REVOLVE USED LOT LINES OVER, UM, THE PREVIOUS LOT LINE PROPOSAL.
AND BY REVISING THESE LOT LINES, WE HAVE REDUCED, OR AS A RESULT OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, THE LOT LINES WERE, WERE REVISED.
THIS ALSO REDUCES THE REQUIRED PARKING.
IT ALSO REDUCES IN TURN THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, ON THE PROJECT IN CONCLUSION, WE BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPMENT RESPONDS TO THE CURRENT MARKET DEMAND IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, COMPLIMENTS THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS HERE AWAY IN 180 3 AND PROVIDES A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT TO SERVE LANDERS RESIDENTS' NEEDS.
WE'RE REQUESTING THAT YOU WERE APPROVED THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
I WANT TO THANK ROBIN AND MICHAEL FOR HELPING US THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND AT ASSEMBLING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THE LANDOWNER FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS IS TRANSIT VILLAGE INCORPORATED.
JEFF ROSS GROVE IS HERE TO REPRESENT TVI ALONG WITH A PROPOSED DEVELOPER CLO WHO, WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY MICHAEL DABNEY.
WE'RE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION ITEM REGARDING ZONING CASE 20 T O D Z 0 1 0 AND SUBDIVISION CASES, 20 T O D C P 0 0 2 AND 20 T O D P P 0 1 0 AS DESCRIBED ABOVE COUNSEL.
UM, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE I THINK A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, WHERE THEY WERE, WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC AREA.
MY CONCERN HERE, UM, REGARDLESS OF THAT IS WE DID INTENTIONALLY MAKE THIS AN OPTIONAL THING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS, IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THAT EVERYTHING SURROUNDING THIS IS GOING TO END UP BEING APARTMENTS AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BUILD UNDER THE UNDER THE TOD GUIDELINES WOULD BE MORE, MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M LESS INCLINED TO MAKE SURE, I JUST THINK THAT'S SUCH A TOUGH CORNER WITH THE RAILROAD TRACKS RIGHT THERE AND EVERYTHING TO, TO, UM, TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO, I REALLY BELIEVE LIKE SOMETIMES.
SO WHERE'S MISS, THAT WAS PRESENTING SOMETIMES WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE, I THINK, UM, I, WHERE I COME FROM THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD TOO.
AND I THINK, MAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU HOLDING US HOSTAGE? YOU KNOW? LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU THAT WE CAN'T WAIT IT OUT? YOU THINK ON THIS ONE? I THINK WE CAN'T WAIT IT OUT.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE PIECES FOR ME.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY OPINION.
I THINK THAT, UM, IF THOSE PLACES ARE TRULY, I KNOW NOBODY'S GOING TO SIGN ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE AN APPROVED PROJECT.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT OUR BODIES HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, AN AREA.
UM, LIKE IF IT WAS GOING TO GO ANYWHERE IN THAT TOD, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE SOMEWHERE WHERE I'D MAKE THAT EXCEPTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE, UM, THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WE WERE WANTING TO SEE HERE THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN ASKING US FOR.
AND THAT, THAT, UM, OUR CONFERENCE, A PLAN JUST SHOWED.
SO, UM, WE CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY OVERALL SENSE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR EMOTION? UM, I DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR ROBIN, YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THEM.
UM, I, I DO WANT TO SEE THE 210 FOOT DRIVEWAY.
UM, TH I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THERE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
SO IN, IN OUR OWN NETS, WE HAVE A PROVISION THAT REQUIRES A DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION.
AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING A DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE TO THE
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INTERSECTION.IT WAS REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING AND, UM, OUR CITY ENGINEER DID AGREE TO THEIR PROPOSAL.
UM, THE 2300 ACRES IN THE TOD THAT'S BEEN REDUCED, CORRECT? YES.
I JUST, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS OKAY.
THAT INCLUDES THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR, WHICH ISN'T THE ACTUAL OF COURSE, UM, THE SALES TAX PROJECTIONS THAT YOU LISTED DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR THE HALF THAT WE GIVE TO CAP METRO OR DOES THAT THE FULL 2% AND I'LL HAVE MORE ROBYN.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PORTION NOT.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE AND THIS IS REALLY A COMMENT.
SO I SEE THAT, UM, SINCE THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE THE CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCES REGARDING THE SMART CODE, THE PREVIOUS STANDARDS SHOULD APPLY.
SO I JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT, I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE CHANGED TO THE OPTION OF BUILDING UNDER THE SMART CODE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD BE HELD TO THAT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GIVING THAT, LIKE, Y'ALL KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT SMART.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY, YOU SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE HELD TO THAT.
SO THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT ON THAT.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT THERE ARE, BUT THAT'S NOTED IN HERE, THIS SECTION IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO WE WERE SAYING THEY WOULD FALL INTO THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT HAVE TO AMEND THE NEW ONE TO MAKE THEIR CHANGE.
SO THEY WOULD NOT BE HELD TO THE NO.
NO, THIS IS JUST SAYING, WE RECOGNIZE YOU TURNED IT IN BEFORE WE MADE A MAJOR CHANGE AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO MAKE THEM MISINTERPRETED.
ALL RIGHT, JASON, I KNOW Y'ALL HAD SOMETHING YOU'D GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, I KNOW THESE ARE JUST TENTATIVE TENANTS, BUT SPECS, THERE SEEMS TO BE A SPECS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF LEANDER AND CEDAR PARK JUST ON RONALD REAGAN.
SO IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR ANOTHER SPECS? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A BACKUP? THERE ARE SEVERAL TENANTS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS SPEAKING TO, SO IT'S REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR IT.
YEAH, IT'S JUST CAUSE I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE SO THAT SPECS, THE OTHER SPECS IS CLOSER TO ME.
WE JUST SEND SOMEBODY OUT FOR YOU.
USUALLY IT'S UP TO THE TENANT IF THEY, SO THESE FIVE THAT YOU HAVE HERE, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU SWITCH OUT FOR SPECS IF THAT WASN'T, I'M GOING TO LET THE DEVELOPER, UM, TAKE A STAB AT THAT ONE.
NOT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF KAREN, UH, SO, UM, THE SITE PLAN AND THE TENANT PROSPECTIVE TENANTS IS FLUID AT THIS POINT.
UM, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF CHICKEN AND THE EGG BEFORE THERE'S A PLAN DEVELOPED AN ACTUAL PLAN, UH, APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TENANTS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH.
UM, SOME ARE FURTHER ALONG THAN OTHERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GROCERY SMALLER GROCERY USES, UM, FITNESS USERS, UM, BANKS, DENTISTS, HEALTHCARE USES, UM, KIND OF ALL OVER THE BOARD.
SO IT'S HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.
IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE SPECTRUM OF, OF PROSPECTIVE TENANTS.
I THINK THAT, UM, JUST, I THINK THOUGH THAT THE EXCEPTION COMES WITH SOME OF THE PLACES THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED AND THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO HOLD ANYBODY TO IT OR ANYTHING TOO, BUT LIKE BE SPECIFIC ABOUT LIKE, IF LIKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THIS TYPE OF YOUR, IF YOU'RE AS A DEVELOPER, YOU, YOU, YOU SURE THE MARKET IS MARKET, RIGHT.
THE NEEDS OF THE NEEDS FOR THE CITY HERE TOO.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION AND WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING EXCEPTIONAL THEN, LIKE, IS THERE, UM, SO YEAH, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A FOCUS, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FOCUS, UM, ON REGIONAL LOCAL, UH, TENANTS, AND THEN WE BELIEVE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, DESIRABLE TO THE CITY OF LANDER.
UM, NO, THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES, UH, SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, FAST CASUAL RESTAURANTS THAT, UM, PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD BE A DRAW, UM, LOTS OF OUTDOOR SEATING, UM, AND KIND OF A MAGNET FOR, FOR THAT, UM, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DICTATES WHAT CAN HAPPEN THERE.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY TRADITIONAL POWER CENTER WITH SEVERAL ANCHORS, UM, BUT MORE OF A MINI, UM, YOU
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KNOW, LIKE A SPECS WOULD BE KIND OF A, UH, A MAGNET FOR, FOR THAT.BUT AS WELL AS THE RESTAURANTS UPFRONT IN ORDER TO SIT DOWN AND USER WITHDRAWAL, DRAW THE USER BECAUSE THE PEOPLE SIT DOWN RATHER THAN A FAST FOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TOO.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A MIX OF, UH, KIND OF TENANT DRIVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY REQUIRE AND WHAT WAS, WHAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH COVID OBVIOUSLY, UH, PEOPLE'S NEEDS TENANTS' NEEDS RATHER HAVE SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT KIND OF EXISTING TRENDS HAVE BEEN ACCELERATED, UM, LOTS OF PICKUP OUTDOOR SEATING, UM, UH, AS WELL AS DRIVE-THROUGH.
SO I IMAGINE THERE'LL BE A, UH, A MIX OF ALL THAT WITH A PRIMARY FOCUS OF I'M SORRY.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU WANT TO BE AS SIT SIT-DOWN OR HOW MANY BUSINESSES ARE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS VERSUS DOCTOR'S OFFICES OR DENTISTS, OR IT'S JUST WHOEVER WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE DRIVEN ON TENANT INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS A SITE PLAN SHOWS CERTAIN, UH, FRONTAGES AND, AND, AND LOTS WORK BETTER FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS, UM, YOU KNOW, A DENTAL USER, FOR INSTANCE, GOING IN THIS LOT SCENE NEXT TO A, ANOTHER RETAIL USER, OR EVEN A RESTAURANT ON AN END CAP WITH SOME PATIO, UM, THAT'S REALLY SLIDES INTO PLACE AS WE KEEP CONTINUE DISCUSSING WITH TENANTS THAT ARE INTERESTED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTION IS TO BRING A, A PROJECT THAT, UM, THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL WILL LIKE, UM, IN ADDITION TO IT BEING FEASIBLE.
SO WOULD YOU HAVE ANY, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO US AS A COUNCIL MAYBE REQUIRING THAT THERE'S ONE OR TWO SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IN THERE, OR, OR, UM, AS PARTY, WE'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, IT'S GOTTA BE WITH THIS COMPANY OR THIS COMPANY.
PLUS TO PUT THAT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS, HEY, WE JUST TOLD THEM YOU GOTTA BE IN HERE.
IT GIVES THEM QUITE AN ADVANTAGE, I THINK IN GENERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A STRUGGLE TO HAVE, UH, ENCUMBRANCES LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS STAGE, UM, OBVIOUSLY AS ALL THAT COMES INTO FOCUS, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO LOOK SOMEWHERE TO THIS, BUT IT WOULDN'T MAN, I'D BE A FINAL NOTE.
SO THAT'S WHY I JUST DIDN'T, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO OVER COMMIT TO THAT RIGHT NOW AT THIS STAGE.
UH, I THINK IN GENERAL, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR INTENTION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SELF STORAGE HERE OR, OR OTHER UNDESIRABLE USES.
SO, UM, BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING NONCOMMITTAL, BUT IT WOULD BE AN ENCUMBRANCE, OUR ABILITY, THEY KIND OF SORRY IF YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR A PRETTY BIG COMMITMENT FROM US THOUGH.
I THINK DIRECTOR GRIFFIN HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PUDS IS, UM, LISTING SOME USES THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE PUB, THEY COULD DO THINGS LIKE OFFICE WAREHOUSE.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ANTICIPATING OR WE'RE ANTICIPATING, BUT WE HAVE KIND OF A STANDARD LIST WE'VE USED IN THE PAST, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD BRING BACK WITH THE SECOND READING.
I MEAN, BECAUSE OF COURSE I WANT THE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IF WE KEEP CARVING OUT THINGS THAT WE SAID AND WHETHER YOU LIKE THE SMART CARD OR YOU DON'T, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IN-BETWEEN THAT CAN HAPPEN.
UM, AND WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M AFRAID HERE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A BIG PARKING LOT AND THEN BANK THAT COMES IN AND THE BUILDING'S EMPTY IN SIX MONTHS AND WE'D JUST HAVE A LARGE PARKING LOT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF NOT, I'M FINE WITH IT, NOT TOTALLY BEING UNDERNEATH THE SPARK CODE, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SORT OF, UM, MIDDLE GROUND HERE, UM, THAT WOULD MAKE A BETTER PROJECT AND STILL ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING SO THAT THE LAND OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER CAN ALSO MAKE A PROFIT HERE.
BUT UNDER YES, I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP MULTI-FAMILY ON THAT CORNER OF THERE TOO.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROBABLY GET SOME COMMERCIAL IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE.
UM, UH, DURING THAT, I MEAN, WE JUST, WE JUST ALLOWED, UH, I MEAN, WE JUST MADE A DECISION AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY OUT OF CHARACTER AND THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE THERE TOO.
SO IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A DECISION TO DO SOMETHING OUT OF CHARACTER, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO DO IT TOWARDS ALLOWING SOMETHING TO DEVELOP COMMERCIALLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, RATHER THAN THE OTHER.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE WHO TO ADDRESS IT, BUT THE LAND OR MARKETPLACE IS THAT, IS THAT A BRAND? IS THAT THE NAME? THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU'RE USING NOW.
WE'RE JUST, WE WERE JUST USING THAT AS
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A REFERENCE NAMES SO THAT WE COULD, THERE IS A, THE FORMER FLEA MARKET IS NOW THE LAND OR MARKETPLACE.I JUST REALIZED THAT ON MY WAY HERE.
I THOUGHT, OH, THEY'RE GOING TO DO INSIDE.
AND I REALIZED, THIS IS NOT THE MARKETPLACE OF JUST A COINCIDENCE.
I MEAN JUST, WE JUST GOT TO MOVE IT ON, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO TAKE THE ADVICE OF, UM, A PLANNING DIRECTOR, GRIFFIN, WHICH WE WILL WORK ON SOME, MAYBE SOME TYPE OF, UH, PROHIBITED USES THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, I WILL SECOND THAT JUST TO CONFIRM WHERE WE CAN HAVE THOSE CHANGES AT THE SECOND READING AND OKAY.
AND THEN I WILL SECOND THAT YES.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED PASSES FIVE TO TWO.
[13. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-017 to amend the current zoning of Conventional Development Sector within the PUD/TOD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development) to create the POINTE 183 Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of GC-3-A (General Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 22.252 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032233; and generally located between US 183 and 183A Toll Road to the south of CR 276, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-017 as described above.]
ITEM 13, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 T O D Z 0 1 7.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR WITHIN THE PUD T O D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE THE 0.1 83 MINOR PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 22.252 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POST AGENDA PLANNING DIRECTOR GRIFFIN.
SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED, UM, BETWEEN 180 3 AND 180 3, A THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR OF THE TOD.
THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO AMEND THE PUD, TO ESTABLISH THEIR BASE ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST DURING THE JUNE 24TH MEETING.
AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
MY NAME'S PHILIP WONKY WITH, UH, PLACE DESIGNERS AND I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO ADD.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT UP THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN AND JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT THIS PLAN IS, IS BASICALLY LOOKING AT ADDING 90,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL IN THE MIX THAT, UH, COMES IN FROM THE MARKET AND THEN MEDICAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WITH A HEAVY EMPHASIS ON MEDICAL.
WE SEE THAT AS BEING A MAJOR FACTOR OUT HERE WITH THE MEDICAL CENTER DOWN BELOW TO THE SOUTH.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND RON EVANS WITH THE OWNERS HERE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM, THANK YOU.
I LIKE THE LENGTH OF THAT PRESENTATION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, MR. CONLEY, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND FILL OUT A CARD AFTER, OKAY.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY OPPOSE THIS.
WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS, IS WHERE IS OUR, OUR, UM, COMMUNITY CENTER OR YMC GOING? UM, WE'RE GIVEN LAND AWAY OUT THERE IN THAT AREA.
AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SENIOR CENTER AS WELL.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF WONDER WHERE, WHERE THAT IS IN EVERYBODY'S MINDS IS WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION ITEM REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 T O D Z 0 1 7 AS DESCRIBED ABOVE COUNSEL.
I MENTIONED MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
MR. CONLEY, I'LL TALK WITH YOU OFFLINE ABOUT SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.
[14. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-019 to amend the current zoning of Conventional Development Sector within the PUD/TOD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development) to create the RM 2243 Retail Center Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with base zoning of GC-3-A (General Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 4.03 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031255; and more commonly known as 9800 RM 2243, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-Z-019 as described above.]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 T O D Z 0 1 9.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR WITHIN THE PUD T O D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE THE RM 2243 RETAIL CENTER, MINOR PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE ZONING OF GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND ONE
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PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.03 ACRES IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA PLANNING DIRECTOR, GRIFFIN.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 2243 AND 180 3, A TOLL ROAD.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR OF THE TOD.
AND THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO AMEND THE PEG TO APPLY THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY ARE REQUESTING THE GC THREE AGE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST DURING THE JUNE 24TH MEETING, UM, A COMMISSIONER MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AND THE MOTION DID FAIL.
THAT COMMISSION DID NOT PROVIDE STATEMENTS REGARDING HOW THEY VOTED OR WHY THEY VOTED AGAINST THE REQUEST, BUT THEY DID INDICATE DURING THE DISCUSSION, THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THE PROPOSAL DIDN'T MEET THE INTENT OF THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PLAN DOES CALL FOR URBAN MIXED USE AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAVE SOME STUFF FOR Y'ALL BEFORE I START.
UM, SO I'M SARAH CORONA, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN SUPER FUN LATELY, BUT IT'S GETTING BETTER.
UM, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE RM 2, 2 43, A RETAIL CENTER WITH YOU SO WE WANTED TO NOTE FIRST THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED THE PROJECTS LAYOUT IN RESPONSE TO THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND WE WERE EXCITED TO SHARE OUR NEW PLANS WITH YOU FOR THE RM 2, 2 43 RETAIL CENTER.
UM, LET ME PULL IT UP HERE TO BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
OUR CLIENT IS PLANNING TO DEVELOP THREE SEPARATE SPACES, A MIXED USE URBAN LOFT BUILDING WITH PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND A RETAIL SPACE, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUELING SALES AND A MIXED USE URBAN LOFT BUILDING WITH A DINE-IN RESTAURANT WITH THIS, HE HOPES TO CREATE A COHESIVE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, BENEFICIAL TO BOTH RESIDENTS AND CUSTOMERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE BUILDINGS.
WE PLAN TO UTILIZE NATIVE STONE, MASONRY ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS WOULD BE SMART, GOOD COMPLIANT, AND HELD TO THE HIGHEST STANDARD.
WE PLAN TO CREATE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HARMONIOUS WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS IS THE REVISED LAYOUT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HANDS WITH YOU.
WE'VE ADDED, UM, LANDSCAPING TO IT, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PARKS, UM, AND WALKING TRAILS AS WELL.
UM, WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE BALANCE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USAGE.
IT WOULD BE ABOUT 70% RESIDENTIAL AND ABOUT 30% COMMERCIAL THE FIRST BUILDING, UM, WOULD BE THE MIXED USE URBAN LOFT WITH OFFICE SPACES AND THE RETAIL SERVICE.
UM, THE FIRST BUILDING WOULD BE A MIXED USE URBAN LOFT BUILDING, WHICH WOULD FEATURE A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT ON THE FIRST FLOOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND MODERN RESIDENCES ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC RETAIL DISTRIBUTOR LINED UP, WE ENVISIONED THE GENERAL RETAIL SPACE MAY INCLUDE A CLOTHING BOUTIQUE OR OTHER SPECIALTY SALES.
UM, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF OUR WORK.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE APARTMENTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OFFICE BUILDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL.
AND THIS IS A CLOTHING BOUTIQUE THAT WE HAD HELPED WITH AS WELL.
UH, THE SECOND BUILDING WITHIN THE CENTER WOULD BE A CONVENIENCE STORE BUILDING ACCOMPANIED BY SIX FUELING STATIONS.
THIS BUILDING WOULD OFFER LATE NIGHT ESSENTIAL ITEMS, AS WELL AS PROVIDE A PATIO SEATING AREA AND COLD BEVERAGES TO COOL OFF DURING THE DAY.
THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE CONVENIENCE STORES THAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY AS WELL.
THE FINAL BUILDING WOULD BE A MIXED USE URBAN LOFT BUILDING, WHICH WOULD FEATURE A DINE-IN RESTAURANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND MODERN RESIDENCES ON THE UPPER FLOORS.
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RESTAURANT.WE HOPE IT MAY FOSTER A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND GIVE FAMILIES A CHANCE TO CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF OUR MIXED USE BUILDINGS THAT HAS A BAKERY ON THE BOTTOM, AS WELL AS A RESTAURANT THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON IN THE PAST.
UM, I WAS ALSO WANTING TO POINT OUT THAT THIS ONE HAS A ROOFTOP RESTAURANT AS AN EXAMPLE, WHICH MIGHT BE AN OPTION FOR THOSE TWO TWO OUTDOOR PARKS, BUT ACCOMPANY TO MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND WOULD FEATURE PICNIC TABLES, BENCHES, A PLAYGROUND, PLENTY OF SHADE.
ALTHOUGH WE BELIEVE RESIDENTS OF THE URBAN LOFTS WOULD PRIMARILY USE THE SPACE THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
UM, SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE HIRING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF WORK THAT HE'S DONE AND RENDERINGS THAT HE'S PROVIDED OUR CLIENT ALSO PLANS TO INCLUDE SIDEWALKS WITH STREET TREES RUNNING ALONG THE PATH TO ENHANCE THE DEVELOPMENT'S BEAUTY AND NATURAL CHARACTER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ACTIVE, SAFE SPACES WHERE CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS CAN MEET, RELAX AND ENJOY THE FRESH AIR.
TWO SIDEWALKS WOULD WRAP AROUND THE FRONT OF THE RETAIL CENTER WITH BENCHES, PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, AND SHADE TREES PLACED STRATEGICALLY ALONG THE PATH.
AND A WALKING TRAIL WOULD WRAP AROUND AROUND THE BACK.
SO THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TRAILS THAT HE'S DONE AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
FINALLY, WE WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, WE HAD NOTICED THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT IS PLANNED IS THE, UH, URBAN MIXED USE.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO COMPLY WITH.
WE THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD FIT WELL WITHIN THE VISION FOR THE URBAN MIXED USE.
AND IN PARTICULAR, BELIEVE THE MIXED USE URBAN LOFTS OFFICE SPACES, RESTAURANT RETAIL, ESTABLISHMENT, AND PUBLIC RECREATIONAL AREAS WOULD BE BOTH APPROPRIATE AND BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE ALSO BEEN COORDINATING WITH TXDOT AND THE 180 3, A TOLL ROAD ENGINEERS FOR THEIR FEEDBACK AND INSIGHT FOR OUR M 2 2 4, 3.
WE PLAN TO PROVIDE A DECELERATION LANE AS WELL AS A CENTRAL LANE FOR LEFT TURNS.
WE ALSO PLAN TO REMOVE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND TO CONSTRUCT A NEW DRIVE RATE.
THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION FOR THE 180 3 8 TOLL ROAD.
WE PLAN TO MODIFY THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND TO PROVIDE ANOTHER DECELERATION LANE.
WE BELIEVE THESE MODIFICATIONS WILL ENHANCE THE TRAFFIC SAFETY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND WILL ALSO ACCOMMODATE ANY INCREASED TRAFFIC.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION ITEM REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 T O D Z 0 1 9 AS DESCRIBED ABOVE COUNSEL.
I GOT SOMETHING BECAUSE ROBIN'S COMING UP.
SO I KNOW YOU SAID YOU COMMUNICATED WITH A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS.
DID YOU COMMUNICATE WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? THIS IS ONE WHERE WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON THE CURRENT REQUESTS BECAUSE IT WASN'T PART OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
CAUSE IT'S ADDING MULTIFAMILY TO THE REQUEST.
IT'S, IT'S JUST COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN OUR PACKET AND WHAT WAS REPRESENTED.
NOT THAT IT'S SOMETHING, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LISTENED TO WHAT MAYBE AND HAD TO SAY TOO.
UM, BUT ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASED OFF SOMETHING ELSE TOO, SO, SO WE CAN MAKE IT MOTION TO POSTPONE.
SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLAINS, ZONING COMMISSION AND HAVE A NEW PUBLIC NOTICE.
SO THAT COULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION, UM, WE WOULD HAVE IS TO DO THE NEW PUBLIC NOTICE THAT REQUIRES, UM, NEW FEES TO BE PAID.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WANTS TO WAIVE AND SENDING THEM BACK OR ARE THEY JUST STARTING OVER WITH THEIR APPLICATION? THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR QUESTIONS.
I JUST, I'M CONFUSED HOW WE HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL WHEN WE JUST SAW THAT MOST OF THIS PROJECT IS MULTI-FAMILY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS, THIS IS A COMPLETELY CHANGED, RIGHT? THIS IS NEW.
SO THEN I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF US WAIVING FEES.
IF THE WHOLE THING HAS CHANGED, WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT LIKE, SO AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, MY CONCERN IS I'M TAKING THE PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND OUR STAFF.
AND IF THEY WEREN'T, IF SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING, THEN WHAT WAS THAT COMMUNICATION LIKE? W W WE'RE A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M, I'M JUST MAYBE HOW DID IT CHANGE? WELL, THE INITIAL MEETING WE HAVE AT PLANNING AND ZONING, WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S A NEW COMPOSITE CODE IS COMING ON THIS ONE.
SO BASED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEY DENIED THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MIXED USE ON THIS ONE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE FULL COMMERCIAL.
SO BASED ON THE FUTURE PLANNING OF THE CITY OF HALSTON,
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URBAN MIX USE, WE CHANGE OUR PLAN IS STILL, WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL PROJECT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH AT LEAST MORE THAN 40% RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU NEVER TALKED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR ANYTHING TO YOU JUST, YOU JUST BROUGHT IT BACK TO US.AND IT WASN'T, I MEAN, WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ANYWAYS, BUT THAT THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT YEAH.
THINK BASICALLY MISTAKE ON OUR PART.
I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT CHARGING THE EXTRA FEES OR WHATEVER, BUT I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN THERE TOO.
I WOULD JUST SAY WHATEVER IS FAIR.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD LEAN ON WHATEVER STAFF'S DECISION WAS ON THIS.
SO, SO WHAT SHE NEEDS, SHE NEEDS SOMETHING SHE NEEDS TO DO.
SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS AN UPDATED APPLICATION WITH THE NEW REQUEST FOR REVIEW.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP FOR THEM TO RESUBMIT.
WE'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS HERE AS A CITY TOO.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THAT ANY FEES BE WAIVED.
LIKE, AS FAR AS LIKE DIRECTION FROM US THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION COMMUNICATION IS EVERYTHING ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOO.
UM, WE, WE CAME HERE TO VOTE ON ONE THING AND THEN, AND IT WAS COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
UM, AND WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS EVEN GOING TO BE THAT, SO, YEAH.
AND I WILL ASK YOU, IF YOU DO PLAN TO BRING THAT BACK, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THESE ALL AND BRING THEM TO US WHEN IT IS PRESENTED TO US? OKAY.
CAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD ON TO IT AND I'LL FORGET TO BRING IT.
SO I JUST ASSUMED YOU BRING IT BACK TO ME WHEN I NEED TO SEE IT.
[15. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-016 to amend the current zoning of SFU-2-B (Single-Family Urban) and LC-2-B (Local Commercial) to create the Haven at San Gabriel Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with base zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 4.995 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R501146; and generally located north of San Gabriel Parkway and east of Bagdad Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-016 as described above.]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM 15, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 0 1 6, TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF SFU TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN AND LLC, TO BE LOCAL COMMERCIAL, TO CREATE THE HAVEN AT SAN GABRIEL, MINOR PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF LC TO A LOCAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.995 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA PLANNING DIRECTOR GRIFFIN.
SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF SAN GABRIEL AND TO THE EAST OF BAGHDAD ROAD.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MINOR PUD, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
UM, THE COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST DURING THE JUNE 24TH MEETING.
UM, DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING, THEY, THEY DID POSTPONE ACTION SO THAT THE APPLICANT TO DO MORE PUBLIC NOTICE, WE HAVE THAT, UH, OUTREACH REQUIREMENT.
AND I THINK THEY MAY HAVE MISSED A HOA TO THE SOUTH.
SO THEY RE NOTIFIED AND THE REQUEST IS REVIEWED AGAIN ON JULY 8TH AND THE COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE REQUEST.
AND, UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
HI, MY NAME IS WILL DAVIES WITH DFD ARCHITECTS AND I'LL BE REPRESENTING THIS TONIGHT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS.
IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PROJECT AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO USE THIS THING.
UM, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WITH MEMORY CARE COMPONENT, A TOTAL OF 70 UNITS ADJACENT TO THE TOM GLENN HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, THERE'S A REAL NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF, UM, OUR SENIORS AS THE COMMUNITY HAS GROWN.
WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD FIT WELL IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, RIGHT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S LOW TRAFFIC, LOW IMPACT.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD WORK REALLY WELL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, WE CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, I MEAN, WE HAVE, THERE'S THE SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE.
UM, PRELIMINARY ELEVATIONS WITH THE RENDERING ACTUALLY SHOWS UP BETTER.
AND I'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN I CAN.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FIRST UP IS TIM BARSOL.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I GOT TIM BARCEL 9 0 5 TABERNASH DRIVE LEANDER.
UM, I OPPOSED THIS, UM, ZONING CHANGE.
UM, I WAS UP HERE LAST MONTH AND TALKED TO YOU ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING GOING ON.
I THINK WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN ON ALL
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THE ZONING CHANGE STUFF.I MEAN, ZONING WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON AND WE JUST, THIS BOARD HERE JUST SEEMS TO JUST BE RUBBER STAMPING THESE THINGS, PUSHING THEM ON THROUGH.
I SEE YOU LOOK JASON AT ME WITH SOME CONCERNED, OKAY.
YOU GUYS RUBBER STAMP THAT THING IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS STILL TO THIS DAY, NEVER CONTACTED ABOUT THE INFLUX OF POTENTIAL STUDENTS COMING IN.
NOBODY SAID A DARN WORD ABOUT THAT.
OTHER THAN NICOLE, SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WHO, WHO OBJECTED THAT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THESE, UH, ZONING CHANGES AND TONE THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THANK YOU, JEFF WINKELMAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M STARTING TO GET USED TO TALKING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AND I'M STARTING TO GET USED TO BEING ANGRY EVERY TIME I COME IN, UM, WHICH IS SAD.
UM, SO NOW WE WANT TO PUT APARTMENT TYPE HOUSING IN.
WE WENT FROM HAVING STORE FRONTS, GYMS, BANKS, THAT TYPE OF THING, AND WE COMPLETELY CHANGED EVERYTHING AND WENT TO, WELL NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT AND PUT HOUSING HERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T GET WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
UM, THE ZONING WAS BUILT FOR A REASON AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE TIME, UH, TO TALK ABOUT OTHER STUFF GOING ON.
UH, SO I'M JUST GONNA ADD THAT IN REAL QUICK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S STINKS AND YOU'RE TAKING REALLY GOOD PEOPLE WHO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION.
YOU NEED TO STICK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.
I WANT TO SAY MY PIECE AND THEN I'M GOING TO LEAVE.
THANK YOU, MELISSA WALSH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES MELISSA WALSH.
I'M GETTING TIRED OF BEING IN HERE AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE TIRED OF SEEING ME AND HEAR ME, BUT, UM, I LIVE AT 9 0 5 ARVADA DRIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I LEFT THAT OUT.
UM, YOU GUYS ALREADY APPROVED THE REZONING FOR HOPE ALLIANCE.
NOW YOU GUYS ARE APPROVING THE, OR HERE TO DECIDE ON THE, UM, REZONING OF THIS FACILITY AND WE HAVE A SERIOUS WATER PROBLEM HERE IN LAND, OR YET A MONTH AGO, YOU GUYS APPROVED 300 APARTMENTS.
YOU APPROVED A 94 BED, A WOMEN'S SHELTER.
THAT'S PHASE ONE PHASE TWO IS ADDING 94 MORE BEDS.
AND NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE A 65,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY WITH MORE PEOPLE, MORE WATER.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING, WE SPEND 20 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT OUR WATER PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT A PROBLEM CAUSE WE'VE HAD RAIN WHEN WE NORMALLY DON'T, BUT OUR GROWTH IS TOO MUCH.
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT HANDLE IT.
AND OUR, OUR SAVANNAH RANCH IS BACKED UP AGAINST SAN GABRIEL.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT NOW WILL AFFECT US AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
AND NOW IT'S TRYING TO BE REZONED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE YOU GUYS ALREADY APPROVED THE OTHER ONE.
CAUSE YOU GUYS KEEP APPROVING THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE APPROVED.
SO PLEASE DO YOUR JOB TONIGHT.
THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 1 6 AS DESCRIBED ABOVE COUNSEL.
OKAY, LET ME, LET ME GO GUYS, PLEASE.
I DON'T RUBBER STAMP ANYTHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, I TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY, SO I'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE LAST ONE, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M TELLING YOU, I'VE ALREADY TOLD PEOPLE IF THAT WAS AN EMOTIONAL THING FOR ME, FOR WHAT MY EYES HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE, I FELT FOR THE RESIDENTS, I FELT THE WAY THAT THEY WERE MEN BLASTED.
IF THEY WERE BAD PEOPLE THAT SHOULD HAVE NOT HAPPENED FROM NOBODY.
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WITH THEIR HOUSES.SO, BUT FOR ME, I WANTED TO SAY THIS LAST TIME, I BARELY GET ANY SLEEP.
ANYWAY, I WOULDN'T HAVE GOT ANY SLEEP IF I'D HAVE VOTED AGAINST THAT.
SO THAT'S THAT ONE HAVING SAID THAT THE DOMINO EFFECT, THIS IS HOW THE DOMINO EFFECT HAPPENS.
AND I AGREE IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO THERE.
YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP STACKING THAT AREA.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE HOMEOWNERS BACK OVER THERE.
IF WE KEEP DOING THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANTS AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS ACROSS THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, WE NEED TO FIND, WE NEED TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PUT THIS.
THAT'S NOT THE PLACE WE DID HOPE THAT WAS A HARD, IT'S HARD.
AND A LOT OF TERMINAL AND A LOT OF HEARTACHE HEADACHE MAKING THAT DECISION.
SO, BUT THIS ONE I DON'T, WE NEED TO STOP THE DOMINO AND WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE ELSE FOR THIS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THOSE CITIZENS OVER THERE.
SO WHAT SO AGREEING WITH MOST, EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID THERE, UM, THIS SAYS THE ALLOWABLE USE SHALL BE LIMITED TO ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
SO IT'S NOT CHANGING EVERYTHING TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
IT'S SAYING THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN GO THERE.
AND IT'S A ONE-STORY BUILDING RATHER THAN I KNOW SOMEBODY THERE.
THERE'S JUST SOME, THERE WAS SOME MISINFORMATION, I THINK IN THE COMMUNICATION OF WHAT COULD ACTUALLY GO HERE.
IT'S LITERALLY JUST THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN OUR POD NOTES.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CAN GO THERE.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY THE LOWEST IMPACT OF ANYTHING THAT CAN GO THERE.
AS FAR AS IF I WAS A NEIGHBOR, WHAT WOULD I WANT BEHIND ME? AND SO, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK THIS WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY MAYBE THE SIX O VOTE FOR SOME KIND OF ZONE CHANGE.
I THINK THERE'S STILL EMOTIONS FROM PRIOR THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT PRIOR AGENDA ITEMS AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THERE'S, EVERYTHING'S STILL BURNING AND EVERYTHING'S STILL THERE.
AND I, A HUNDRED PERCENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, THIS IS ALSO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT I'M READING AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, RESPECTFULLY LIKE WITH MOST OF IT THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S FUNNY IF THEY CAN GET BOTH OF US IN THE PICTURE.
UM, SO ANYWAYS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, CON I SAID, IF HE CAN GET BOTH OF US IN THE PITCHER, COME ON, LIKE, YEAH, SORRY.
UM, THAT'S FUNNY ANYWAYS, THIS IS, THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS WHY THIS WAS AN EASY DECISION FOR THEM BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GO THERE.
UM, THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF AREA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET, UM, SOME OF THE RETAIL THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING HERE, THIS ISN'T, THIS, THIS MAYBE ISN'T THE LOCATION FOR THAT EITHER IF IT WAS ON THE CORNER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
UM, SO IT FURTHER, I MEAN, WE'RE FURTHER DEVELOPING THAT STREET TOO.
I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT EVEN SIDEWALKS WITH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO WALK DOWN THAT STREET, I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE TOO.
AND, UH, AND IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, THIS IS A LOT OF, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC WITH A, WITH A, WITH A ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
I MEAN, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
LIKE THEY CAN GO THERE FROM WHAT WE'RE, IF WE WERE TO PROVE THIS TIME, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER THING THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE WITHOUT A WHOLE DIFFERENT SEMINOLE PROCESS.
SO, UM, I'M RESPECTFULLY DISAGREEING WITH THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE BOXES ARE CHECKED.
SO THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT ROBIN, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD PUT THERE OR WHAT THE, THE LAND OWNERS AND THE APPLICANTS, OR ANYBODY COULD PUT THERE WITHOUT ZONING CHANGES WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION, WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES, WHAT COULD GO THERE NOW? SO IT'S OWNED, UM, LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
SO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR OFFICE RETAIL RESTAURANT, UM, SERVICE USES LIKE DRY CLEANERS, COFFEE SHOPS.
UM, IT HAS A LIMIT ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND ON THE BUILDING SIZE.
SO THAT DISTRICT IS, UM, INTENDED TO BE NEXT TO, UH, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, WITH THIS REQUEST, THEY'RE NOT AMENDING THE HOURS OR THE BUILDING SIZE, BUT STILL KEEPING IN LINE WITH THAT.
URBAN, CURRENTLY THIS PROPERTY IS LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
THE BACK PART OF IT IS SINGLE FAMILY URBAN.
IT SAYS THE CURRENT ZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN AND LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST THE LITTLE PIECE IN THE BACK.
IT'S NOT THE LARGER PART, CORRECT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD MAKE IT TIGHTER FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO HOW MANY HOMES COULD BE PUT THERE IF, IF IT WAS OKAY, CHANGING FORMS, IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET TO IT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY.
THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD AND YEAH.
IT'S A 60 FOOT LOT ZONING DISTRICT, SO,
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OKAY.JASON, YOU HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR RESPECTFUL, DISAGREE AS THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT.
LIKE THERE'S THE RIGHT IS YOU GOTTA LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS, TO THEIR RIGHT.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMETHING ELSE COULDN'T GO THERE, CHRIS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU YOU'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, WAY MORE THAN I AM, BUT I MEAN, OUR CITIZENS, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THE LAST ONE WAS HARD.
I MEAN, IT WAS, WE HAD TO DO THE RIGHT, WHAT WE DID WAS THE RIGHT VOTE.
BUT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DO RIGHT BY THOSE HOMEOWNERS RIGHT NOW, TOO.
NO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE, NO, PLEASE, PLEASE.
BECAUSE A HOMEOWNER THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND DOESN'T EVEN BACK TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S THE TYPE OF BIT.
I REALLY DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF BUSINESS.
UM, IF THIS WAS AN OPEN ZONING CHANGE, THE DRUNK COMMERCIAL, I THINK WE WOULD BE HAVING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BY THE WAY.
I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS A, THERE IS A MISUNDER, THERE IS NOT, THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY FACTUAL.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS I WANT TO OPEN THIS OVER HERE AND BECAUSE YOU AND CATHERINE I'LL PICK ON CATHERINE, CAUSE YOU GUYS LIVE OVER HERE ON THE CORNER.
YOU DON'T LIKE THAT THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
SO I CAN'T DO IT CAUSE IT'S MY PROPERTY.
NO THERE, BECAUSE IT'S MY PROPERTY.
AND BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE SINGLE USE THAT WORK.
RIGHT? KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW THOUGH.
IT IS KINDA, ARE THEY ASKING, YOU'RE ASKING THE BILL ONE.
WELL, THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ASKING TO DO ONE THING AND THAT'S BUILT THIS ONE FACILITY HERE.
DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? WITH ONE STORY, SINGLE STORY.
SO I'M SAYING LIKE, WHAT IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS A USE THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF IT WAS GOING TO IMPACT WHEN HIGH SCHOOL, IF IT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THEM, THEN I'M LIKE, WELL, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THAT.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, BECAUSE IT LITERALLY IS IT BORDERS THEM.
I CAN'T THINK OF A LEAST IMPACT USE THAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THAT IT DOESN'T BACK UP TO THE HOUSES THERE'S LAND BETWEEN THEM.
UM, ALSO ON OUR STAFF CONCLUSIONS.
DOES THE PROPOSAL COMPLY WITH THE INTENT STATEMENTS OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE? YES.
DOES THE PROPOSAL COMPLY WITH THE GOAL STATEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES.
DOES IT WARRANT ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS? NO.
UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO GO THERE.
MY OPINION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
UM, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCHOOLS IN OUR AREA THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF FACILITY LIKE THIS NEAR THE SCHOOL.
UM, AND I DO THINK IT'S THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL AND TO THE CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING THERE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF FACILITY, AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, THAT COULD BE.
UM, SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I HAVE A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I SHARE WITH SOMEONE AND THIS MIGHT SOUND ODD, BUT I, I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE IF ANYTHING IS EVER BUILT ANYWHERE EVER AGAIN HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT REASONABLE.
UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO, TO FIT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT IS ALLOWABLE AND WHAT IS NOT, UM, AND MAKE, TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS THAT WE CAN.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, WE, WE CAN'T RISK.
I'VE HEARD SO MANY HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, OURSELF BEING HOMEOWNERS, UM, EXPRESS CONCERNS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THINGS GOING IN.
AND, UM, MOST OF THE TIME IT IS IT'S EMOTIONAL.
UM, AND THE, THE, UM, THE THING TH THE, THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED NEVER REALLY COME TO LIGHT.
IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
UH, SO I IT'S, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND HARD TO EXPRESS THAT.
AND IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT SOUND A LITTLE HARSH AND I DON'T, I DON'T INTEND IT TO SOUND THAT WAY, BUT WE DO HAVE TO RESPECT THE LANDOWNERS AND THEIR RIGHTS TO, TO BUILD.
AND, YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS LIKE I SAID, IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT AN EXTREME, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PUTTING, WE'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR APARTMENTS.
THIS IS A VERY LOW IMPACT, UM, PROJECT ON THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S IT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
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I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.[16. Discuss and consider action on Tree Removal Case 21-TRP-001 regarding removal of two (2) Heritage Trees associated with the East San Gabriel Waterline extension generally located on the north side of the future extension of San Gabriel Parkway, east of CR 270, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON TREE REMOVAL CASE 21, TRP 0 0 1 REGARDING REMOVAL OF TWO HERITAGE TREES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EAST SAN GABRIEL WATERLINE EXTENSION, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY, EAST OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 70 LANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS PLANNING, DIRECTOR GRIFFIN.SO THIS IS A REQUEST, UM, BY THE CITY TO REMOVE, UM, A HERITAGE TREE THAT, UH, IS IN THE PATH OF A WATER LINE LOCATED ALONG THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY.
THERE IS A TYPO IN THE AGENDA SUBJECT.
IT'S ONLY ONE HERITAGE TREE, NOT TWO HERITAGE TREES.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, DURING THE JULY 8TH MEETING.
AND, UM, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM ENGINEERING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE WATERLINE ITSELF, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION, MOTIONS, MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
WE'RE BACK IN SESSION AT 8 41 ITEM 17,
[17. Discuss and consider appointments to fill unexpired terms on the Planning & Zoning Commission and the Library Foundation.]
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO FILL UNEXPIRED TERMS ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION.SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT RICHARD CARPENTER, HIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION, SINCE WE HAVE OTHERS, UM, IS IT OKAY TO ASK THOSE APPLICANTS THAT MAYBE DIDN'T REQUEST LIBRARY, NOT CHANGING YOUR MOTION, BUT IN ADDITION TO, SINCE THERE'S TWO OTHERS, WE ONLY DID.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE, BUT WE HAVE TWO OTHER VACANCIES, WHICH WE CAN APPOINT IN OCTOBER.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE, WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF THERE WERE OTHER APPLICANTS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THAT, IF WE COULD DO THAT, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE P AND Z POSITION, THAT'S HOW LONG UNTIL THE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE APPOINTING RIGHT NOW, HOW LONG UNTIL IT EXPIRES JUST TO LOOK NUMBER WELL, I WOULD RATHER APPOINT SOMEBODY.
THAT'S GOT EXPERIENCE IN DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING TOO, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
SO I JUST, I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT.
UM, BUT, UM, I ALSO, UM, I HATE THE, I REALLY DON'T LIKE DOING THIS FROM, I HATE THIS PART OF, ONE OF MY, ONE OF THE THINGS I DISLIKE MOST ON COUNCIL WAS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY LIKE THIS AND SAYING, HEY, RICHARD, I LOVE YOU.
YOU'RE A GOOD GUY TOO, BUT THERE'S ALSO THAT I'VE SEEN SOMEONE ELSE DO A VERY GOOD JOB IN THIS POSITION AS WELL.
SO ANYWAYS, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO SAY, LIKE I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE, I WOULD ALSO WANT SOMEBODY.
I WOULD ALSO WANT TO RECOMMEND SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THIS THING TOO.
IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THE WE'RE TRYING TO BE COURTEOUS, BUT IT'S THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY A NAME OUT REAL LOUD.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S, UH, NED HAS ACTUALLY SERVED THERE IN, ON OUR COUNCIL AND SHE KNOWS THE CURRENT EVENTS OF OUR CITY RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S FOR TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE GO BACK AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS THING TOGETHER.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT THAT TO BE SAID, YEAH, I AGREE.
WHAT, WHAT THIS DOES, IT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF WE HAVE TO VOTE, BUT WE DON'T GET TO SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT.
I MEAN, EITHER WOULD BE FABULOUS AND ACCEPTABLE, UM, EVEN, YES, SO THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A WRONG DECISION THERE, BUT IS THERE A BETTER DECISION AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE SHORT TERM INVOLVED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED REGARDLESS.
SO I THINK IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS'S SEAT THAT WE'RE FILLING.
AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY COOL THAT SHE MADE THE MOTION AND HAS A SAY IN THAT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, OPPOSED PASSES SIX TO ONE
[18. Discuss and consider action to set future strategic planning workshops to occur semiannually in January and July, and generally on the last Friday and Saturday of those months.]
ITEM, 18, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION TO SET FUTURE STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOPS TO OCCUR.SEMI-ANNUALLY IN JANUARY AND JULY AND GENERALLY ON THE LAST FRIDAY
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AND SATURDAY OF THOSE MONTHS.UM, SO THIS CAME UP IN SCHEDULING THE RETREAT THIS YEAR.
UM, EVERY YEAR, I THINK IT'S CHAOS, JUST KIND OF TRYING TO SCHEDULE A MONTH OR SO OUT.
UM, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO JUST SAY THE LAST WEEKEND IN THESE TWO MONTHS, HAVE IT SET ASIDE STAFF, HAVE IT SET ASIDE COUNCIL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN RETREAT.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF OUR DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF SENDING OUT ALL OF THESE REQUESTS FOR WHAT DAYS EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE.
UM, AND THAT IS THE GENERAL THINKING OF THIS.
WE'LL ALL JUST SORT OF MARK THAT ON OUR CALENDARS.
DON'T MAKE PLANS THAT WEEKEND.
WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THE LAST WEEKEND OF JANUARY? FIRST THING, SORRY.
I THINK THIS IS A FABULOUS PLAN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? EXCELLENT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[19. Discuss and consider action on an appointment to the Central Texas Clean Air Coalition of the Capital Area Council of Governments.]
I DON'T REMEMBER 19 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN APPOINTMENT TO THE CENTRAL TEXAS CLEAN AIR COALITION OF THE CAPITAL AREA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.UH, WE PAY INTO THIS TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE THERE, AND OUR CURRENT REPRESENTATIVE HAS NOT BEEN ATTENDING MEETINGS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT COUNCIL MEMBER MACKEY LONGORIA INTO THAT POSITION.
I'M FINISHED WITH EMOTIONS, BUT I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
NOPE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IF THAT'S OKAY.
CATHERINE, DO YOU WANT TO SAY WHY? SURE.
UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MAYOR SET, OF COURSE, FOR CALLING ME AND OFFERING ME THE OPTION OF STEPPING DOWN.
UM, HOWEVER, I WAS ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETINGS THAT WOULD BE IN PERSON FOR A CHANGE THAT WE HAVE NOT MET IN PERSON, UH, SINCE LAST YEAR.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND, UM, THE ATTENDANCE ISSUE IS, I MEAN, I HAVE TO OWN THAT.
NO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T ATTEND ALL THE MEETINGS.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONFUSION.
IT WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AS FAR AS THE TIMES IT WAS INCONSISTENT.
UM, AND I REALLY WAS NOT AWARE OF, OF THE, UM, MISSING THE, WAS IT TWO OR THREE MEETINGS IN A ROW THAT, THAT WAS GROUNDS FOR REMOVAL OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ON ME.
THAT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT IT CLEAR THAT I'M NOT STEPPING DOWN, I'M BEING REMOVED FOR LACK OF ATTENDANCE SO THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
AND I THINK, UM, AS MAY, WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, I THINK YOU'RE FRIENDS WITH ANDREW FROM THE, FROM CALC COG.
SO, I MEAN, I'M SURE HE WOULD BE THRILLED TO HAVE SOMEBODY OF LIKE-MIND TO SERVE THERE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[20. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to Section 551.074, Personnel, and Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding the appointment of Planning & Zoning Commission Place 3 and Place 6. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding appointment of Planning & Zoning Commission Place 3 and Place 6.]
ITEM 20, UM, THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THIS PERTAINS TO HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT TO DO THIS IN OPEN SESSION, UM, WE ARE DISCUSSING PERSONNEL AND SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT OF PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION PLACES THREE AND SIX.UM, SO THE WAY THIS HAS COME UP IS WE HAVE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
TWO OF THEM LAST YEAR WERE COUNSELED BY STAFF ABOUT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
AND SINCE THAT COUNSELING, THE CONFLICTS HAVE CONTINUED, UM, WITH THESE SAME TWO COMMISSIONERS, UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOT A WAY WITH OPEN MEETINGS LAWS FOR US TO DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT AN AGENDA ITEM, UM, TREATING IT LIKE A PERSONNEL ISSUE.
THERE'S ALSO NOT ANY POLICY ABOUT STAFF LETTING COUNCIL KNOW WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH ANY COMMISSIONER, NOT JUST P AND Z, BUT ANY COMMISSIONER.
THERE'S NOT A POLICY ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT COUNSELING COMMISSIONERS AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO GUIDELINE TO FOLLOW ABOUT WHAT WE DO WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM.
DO WE GIVE A WARNING? DO WE CENSURE? DO WE REMOVE, UM, ALL OF THAT IS ON THE TABLE? UM, SO HERE'S, WHAT'S GOING ON.
STARTING OUT WITH COMMISSIONER MAY, HE'S BEEN COUNSELED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, HE'S VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S COMMENDABLE HOW MUCH HE LOVES THE COMMUNITY.
UM, HE IS NOT ONLY ON OUR PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT HE'S ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF HIS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
AND HE HAS REPRESENTED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO
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THE CITY, WHICH HE HAS BEEN COUNSELED NOT TO DO.BUT YOU ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM HIM ON JUNE SIX ABOUT TRANSFERRING BLUEBONNET PARK TO THE CITY.
UM, THIS WAS AFTER HE WAS COUNSELED ABOUT NOT DOING THAT.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE CONFLICT COMES INTO PLACE.
WE HAVE RULES WITHIN THE CITY ABOUT REPRESENTING OTHER ENTITIES AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
NONE OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, ANY FINANCIAL MALFEASANCE, NOTHING THAT WOULD COME UP IN OUR ETHICS ORDINANCE BECAUSE ETHICS ARE ORDINANCE ONLY DEALS WITH IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL IRRESPONSIBILITY.
AND THERE'S NONE OF THAT, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF REPRESENTING ANOTHER GROUP TO THE CITY, WHICH CANNOT HAPPEN.
AND IT'S A LIABILITY, ANYBODY CARE TO DISCUSS.
SO ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BOTH RIGHT NOW? WE'RE GOING TO GO ONE AT A TIME AND WE CAN, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS, BUT WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION.
SO LET'S HEAR THE COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN KEEP TALKING.
WE'LL DO COMMENTS AFTER WE TALK ABOUT EACH ONE.
SO, BUT I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD FOCUS ON OUR THOUGHTS ON REPRESENTING THE HOA TO THE CITY.
WHEN YOU SAY REPRESENTING THE HOA TO THE CITY, WHAT EXACTLY DID THAT ENTAIL? SO ON THIS ONE, IT WAS AN EMAIL ABOUT, UM, TRANSFERRING OVER THE PARK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE OWNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, A FINANCIAL TRANSACTION.
AND, AND HE HAD HAD, UH, I THINK HE HAD HAD A LOT OF EX BECAUSE HE WAS HOA PRESIDENT AND HE HAD A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE, UH, AS THAT WENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT IN OUR ORDINANCES, YOU HAVE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY TO BE THAT REPRESENTATION FOR YOU.
YOU CANNOT REPRESENT ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE IT'S AN ANNUITY.
SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE EXCEPT FOR HIM SENDING THAT ONE EMAIL.
I MEAN, THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE OVER THE YEARS.
I'M GOING TO, WHAT OTHER ONES WE RECEIVED ONE JUNE 18TH OF LAST YEAR AND THEN JUNE 6TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, IS IT ALL RIGHT TO ASK? WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THE WARNING PREVIOUSLY? UH, COMMISSIONER MAY WAS REQUESTING, UM, HE WAS APPROACHING THE CITY ABOUT AN HOA PARK, MAYBE THE CITY TAKING OVER THAT PARK.
AND SO WE JUST ADVISED HIM TO, UH, GO THROUGH, USE A DIFFERENT PERSON TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, MR. MAY WAS ADVISED TO USE A DIFFERENT PERSON, A DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HOA TO, UH, INTERACT WITH THE CITY ON THE ISSUE OF THE HOA, POSSIBLY CONVEYING A PARTY TO THE CITY.
WAS THAT THE MOST RECENT ISSUE OR A PREVIOUS EMAIL? THAT'S THE SAME THING? UM, IT STARTED, UH, I GUESS IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT IT, AND THEN THE ISSUE CAME UP AGAIN WITH A DIFFERENT PART.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME PARK, BUT THE ISSUE CAME UP AGAIN, YEARS LATER.
WELL, THE TRANSACTION HASN'T CONCLUDED.
AND SO APPARENTLY THERE'VE BEEN SOME FOLLOW UP EMAILS.
CAN, CAN MR. MAG SPEAK TO US ABOUT HIM AS FAR AS WHAT HE'S BEING ACCUSED OF? OR IS IT OKAY FOR HIM TO COME SPEAK NOW? OR, I MEAN, IS THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING GUYS, SO NONE OF US DO, AND THAT'S THE THING IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF PROCESS FOR THIS.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PROCESS FOR US TO BE NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE.
SO, SO WHY ARE WE, WHY DON'T WE SEND THAT FOR DOING THIS? IF WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS, SO WE'RE GOING TO ATTACK TWO PEOPLE AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS.
I MEAN, THIS IS, WE'RE NOT ATTACKING TWO PEOPLE.
I MEAN, WE CAN DANCE ON THAT ONE ALL DAY, BUT WE ARE THE ITEM CLEARLY STATES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THEIR APPOINTMENT.
IT DOESN'T SAY WE'RE REMOVING ANYBODY.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THERE'S, THEY'RE HORRIBLE PEOPLE WE'RE DISCUSSING THEIR APPOINTMENT BECAUSE WHAT WE MIGHT END UP DOING IS SAYING, HEY, COMMISSIONER MAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
DO NOT CONTINUE TO CONTACT US ABOUT THE PARK.
SO HERE'S ANOTHER THING WITH THAT.
THURSDAY NIGHT, WE GET AN AGENDA ITEM TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PLACE THREE IN PLAY SIX, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY AND CITY COUNCIL
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MEMBER.I'M PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M GOING TO GO FIND OUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WE WOULD GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, DO OUR LITTLE RUAHA COME BACK OUT.
MAYBE SAY, YOU KNOW, SYNDROME OR, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU GOT TO GO BECAUSE SOME OF US DON'T LIKE IT.
WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? WHY DID WE NOT HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION ON IMPLEMENTING OR EVEN COME OUT HERE AND DEFINITELY IN PROCESSES TO DEAL WITH THIS? I'VE ALREADY TOLD EVERYBODY JUST STAY THE HECK OFF OF FACEBOOK.
AND DON'T, IF YOU'RE ON A BOARD, JUST STOP, STOP.
BUT NOW HERE WE ARE IN PUBLIC ATTACKING TWO PEOPLE AND JUST CHANGE THE NAMES BECAUSE IF YOU CHANGE THE COUNCIL, THEN SOMEBODY ELSE, I MEAN, THIS IS PRECEDENT, MAN SET.
NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THIS.
IF WE DON'T LIKE SOMEBODY WE'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO, NOT ME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND GET THEM.
WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING AFTER ANYBODY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS WARNED PREVIOUSLY AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE WANT TO DEAL WITH IT GOING FORWARD.
SO THIS WAS SECOND, CATHERINE, GO AHEAD, THEN 10 THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE SITTING.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DISAGREEING.
ARE YOU TARGETED TO PEOPLE FOR CONDUCT UNBECOMING, UNPROFESSIONAL, WHATEVER.
THEY'RE SUPPOSE I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT FIVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT HAD THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A RAVING LUNATIC OUT THERE.
I SAID THAT IN PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE'S A PERSON THAT THIS IS THEIR PERSONAL AGENDA AND NOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE CLIMBED ON BOARD.
AND IT'S SETTING A BAD PRECEDENT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROCESSES, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT PROCESSES, NOT ABOUT GOING AFTER TUBE INDIVIDUALS.
CAUSE WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAID.
NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING.
THEY SAID, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIABILITY AND I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF ANYBODY THINKS THAT IT'S OKAY TO JUST WAIVE THE RULES FOR ONE PERSON AND NOT SAY ANYTHING.
I SAT AND LISTENED TO DISHONESTY FOR TWO YEARS AND I DIDN'T GO AFTER SOMEBODY IN PUBLIC.
I WATCH DISHONEST POST AFTER DISHONEST POST AFTER DISHONEST POST.
SHOULD WE GO FOR THAT PERSON TOO? IS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONLINE POSTINGS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT PUTS US AT A LIABILITY.
SO COULD WE ASK MS. SIGNS TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE LIABILITY THAT, UM, MS. PRESUMED RELY, UH, RELIABLE LIABILITY THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED? THE ETHICS ORDINANCE CONTAINS A PROVISION THAT TALKS ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS APPEARING THROUGH A THIRD PARTY REPRESENTATIVE ON MATTERS THAT COULD BENEFIT THEM TO AVOID ANY ISSUES.
AS A MEMBER OF THE HOA PRESIDENT OF THE HOA, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST ADVISED THAT, UM, A THIRD PARTY WAS USED IN THAT CASE TO AVOID ANY ISSUES WITH ETHICS ORDINANCE.
SO IF THE EXACT SAME EMAIL WERE SENT TO US BY, UH, SOMEONE ELSE ON THE HOA, OTHER THAN THE PERSON THAT IS SITTING ON P AND Z, THAT SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THING WE WOULD NOT BE SITTING HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, I GUESS, CORRECT.
THE CONTENT OF THE EMAIL, IT'S THE PERSON THAT SENT IT.
IT'S YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVE AN ETHICS ORDINANCE.
AND SO WHEN SOMEONE ASKS THE QUESTION OF, SHOULD I INTERACT WITH THE COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE? THEN THE ANSWER IS IT'S BETTER NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THIS PROVISION AND THE ETHICS ORDINANCE.
AND THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN BY COUNCIL ON THAT, THE NATURE OF THAT EMAIL, FROM WHAT I, I MEAN, I DON'T RECALL US TAKING ANY, ANY ACTION ON THAT.
SO THERE WAS NO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, OKAY.
LIABILITY WHERE, WHERE IS THE LIABILITY FOR DAMAGE HAS BEEN? SO FOR US, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH YOUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS ARE VOLUNTEERS AND THEY'RE LIKE TO HELP THEM AVOID ISSUES.
AND SO WITH RESPECT TO SOMEBODY WHO'S REPRESENTING A GROUP THAT WANTS TO CONVEY PROPERTY TO THE CITY, THAT THE GROUP OWNS THAT THE ADVICE IS TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY REPRESENT THAT ORGANIZATION, AS OPPOSED TO THE PERSON WHO ALSO SERVES ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, BECAUSE THE ETHICS ORDINANCE IS BROUGHT IN AND ALSO ADDRESSES AVOIDING APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT ADVICE WAS GIVEN.
SO THEN AS FAR AS IT WAS NOT A, IT'S NOT A LAW, IT'S NOT A ROAD WAS JUST ADVICE.
IT WAS NOT, I THINK IT'S CHANGED.
NOTHING HAPPENED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE PERSON AFFECTED DIDN'T BRING ANY LAWSUIT, BUT THEY COULD HAVE IS THAT FAIR? IT'S MORE EXPOSED, MORE EXPOSES THAT INDIVIDUAL TO AN ETHICS COMPLAINT.
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SO REALLY THIS COULD APPLY TO ANYONE THAT HAS COMMUNICATED TO US ON, WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, CAN WE LISTEN TO WESTERN BAY AND SEE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? THAT YOU, YOU DETERMINED THAT AS A COUNCIL, YOU DETERMINE WHEN YOU WANT TO HEAR, I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO ANY, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF OR IF THEY WANT TO, IF ONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON HIS OWN BEHALF, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LISTEN TO THEM NOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE TO SAY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SPECULATING ON EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO DETERMINE, UM, GRAY LAW.WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER DISCUSSION, BUT I'M FINE WITH MR. MAY COMING UP, IF YOU ALL ARE.
UM, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I WAS WARNED BY LEGAL COUNSEL, NOT TO COMMUNICATE ON BEHALF OF MY HOA.
I APPOINTED THE VICE PRESIDENT TO HANDLE ALL COMMUNICATIONS WITH PLANNING AND ANYBODY ELSE ON CITY COUNCIL.
WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THE PARK TO THE CITY.
WE HAD AGREED ON THAT AND EVERYTHING WAS SET TO HAPPEN.
WE WERE TOLD BY PLANNING THAT WE HAD TO PAY ABOUT $2,000 AND, UM, FEES SO THAT WE COULD TRANSFER THE PARK TO THE CITY AND OUR VICE PRESIDENT COMMUNICATED WITH CITY COUNCIL.
CAN YOU HELP US OUT HERE? THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
WELL, APPARENTLY THERE WAS A DECISION MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.
LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR PARK.
IT COSTS TOO MUCH, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT NOBODY TOLD US, NOBODY TOLD US WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT ANYWAY, MY RESPONSE WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T LIKE THE WAY CITY COUNCIL HANDLED THIS.
I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER ANYTHING.
I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
I ASKED YOU ONE SIMPLE THING OR I MADE ONE SIMPLE STATEMENT.
I SAID, THIS WAS MISHANDLED CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO COMMUNICATE.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE EMAIL.
YOU HAD MY VICE PRESIDENT VIRTUALLY IN TEARS BECAUSE SHE WAS TURNED DOWN FOR THIS.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE WERE WORKING ON FOR TWO YEARS TO GIVE THE CITY APART FOR T-BALL FIELD.
WE WEREN'T ASKING FOR ANYTHING.
HE'S HE'S PROBABLY GONNA, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA MAKE YOU WAIT FOR ONE MINUTE, AS FAR AS LIKE, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I MEAN, TH THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENT THAT THERE'S, THIS IS ONE, LET'S TAKE THE WHOLE REMOVAL THING OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THIS SITUATION.
AND I WAS PART, I SAW THOSE EMAILS, SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD COOL.
AND THAT WOULD CALM THE AIR A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW, TOO.
UM, YES, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IN INSTANCES LIKE THIS, IF LIKE MAYBE THERE'S BEEN A FORMAL WARNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND SET IN AND SET SOMETHING UP OR TALK ABOUT THAT AS A COUNCIL OF PROCEDURES, BUT THAT THIS PROCEDURES OF NOT JUST COUNCIL, BUT COMMISSIONERS OR WHATEVER, AND YOU WANT HELP WORKING ON A FAIR WAY WITH THAT.
UM, BUT, UM, I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND MULTIPLE PEOPLE'S FRUSTRATION WITH THIS ONE, BUT ALSO I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE RIGHT WAY.
UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE COULD HANDLE THIS ONE.
WELL, I THINK WHEN IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IT, IT'S ABOUT HAVING THE LEVEL OF EXPECTATION FOR ANYBODY THAT'S IN AN APPOINTED POSITION AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FROM A REPRESENTATION STANDPOINT, FROM A, UM, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA, BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE ALL TRY TO SAY, JUST DON'T DO IT, IT HAPPENS.
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THOSE THAT ARE ACTIVE IN THOSE ARENAS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE OTHER APPOINTED FOLKS THAT ARE ACTIVE IN, UM, IN THE HOPES THAT THEY'RE DOING IT IN A POSITIVE MANNER MANNER TO PROMOTE THE CITY.
BUT IF WE CAN SET A STANDARD CODE OF CONDUCT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PHRASE IT, UM, OF HOW WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO ACT, THEN IF PEOPLE DO CROSS LAWN, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THIS IS A DISMISSIBLE ACTION.
UM, HOWEVER, EVEN COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE DID HIS OWN EMISSION, RIGHT? HE, HE, HE WAS WARNED, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.
AND YET HE CHOSE TO DO IT AGAIN.
UM, SO I JUST, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY FOR US TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BECAUSE COMPLETELY ACCURATE WHAT HE WAS SAYING THOUGH.
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THAT'S THE WAY I TOOK IT.UM, BUT IF WE CAN SET SOME, TAKE THESE SORT OF THINGS TO, TO LEARN FROM THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
YEAH, I THINK, SORRY WE NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING.
WE NEED POLICY PROCEDURE, CODE OF CONDUCT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, I, I DO THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY TO SOMEONE, UM, I TOLD YOU TO DO SOMETHING, DON'T DO IT, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTED RECORD OF IT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE VERIFICATION OF HERE'S THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE WE'VE ASKED YOU TO FOLLOW AND YOU'VE CONTINUED NOT TO DO IT.
AND HERE ARE THE DATES THAT YOU CONTINUE NOT TO DO IT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR ME.
AND SO I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE US WORK TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE, IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR ALL THE BOARDS AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY 2 CENTS.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UM, FOR MR. MAYS, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT HE, HE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE NOTIFIED, I WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS.
HAD HE NOT SAID IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HEAR IT FROM STAFF UNLESS I'M FORGETTING.
UM, SO IT'S NOT MY, IT'S NOT MY FEEBLE BRAIN.
UM, SO WITH THAT, LIKE HOW WE DIDN'T THERE'S YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS, THIS SHOULD, THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE OTHER THAN SAY YEAH, GET SOME RULES TOGETHER, BECAUSE IF YOU MENTIONED SOCIAL MEDIA YEAH.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO GO BYE-BYE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN GONE BY, BY A LONG TIME AGO.
AND THAT SHOULD NOT BE APPOINTED ON ANY FUTURE COMMISSIONS BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE POSTED IN THE PAST.
AND, UH, QUITE HONESTLY, SOME OF US SHOULDN'T BE UP HERE EITHER IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HELD TO THAT STANDARD.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON WHERE THE GROUND THAT WE TREAD ON HERE AND BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPECTFUL TO THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO SERVE WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT.
UM, THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL SPEND THEIR TIME WITHOUT ANY HIDDEN AGENDAS TO DO SOMETHING TO SERVE THIS CITY SHOULD BE COMMENDED AND BE APPLAUDED NOT TO BE DISCIPLINED IN A MANNER LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I DON'T THINK THE INTENT WAS TO PRORATE PEOPLE.
I THINK IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE DO NEED PROCEDURE CHANGES.
SO IS IT, IS IT, UH, WE HAVE THE ETHICS ORDINANCE? DO WE NEED A CRISPR SOCIAL MEDIA? YES.
SO LET'S DO THAT AND THEN DEFINE WHO IT APPLIES TO.
IS IT JUST THE P AND Z, OR IS IT ANYONE WHO SERVES ON ANY COMMISSION? YOU HAVE A SOCIAL POLICY THAT APPLIES TO STAFF AND TO COUNCIL, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ONE THAT APPLIES TO REGULAR BOARDS, OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE A DECORUM POLICY FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT NOT FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
YOU ALSO, THIS PROCESS OF IF ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL IS THE ONE WHO OVERSEES THE BOARDS AND THE COMMISSIONS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPOINT AND REMOVE.
AND SO I THINK STAFF FEELS LIKE THEY'RE IN A POSITION EDUCATING, URGING ADVISING, BUT AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF WARNING ABOVE THAT, THAT EITHER THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT'S REALLY A COUNCIL ROLE.
AND IF YOU HAVE A POLICY THAT ADDRESSES HOW THAT GETS ADDRESSED, THEN YOU CAN NAVIGATE THIS A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
AND WITH LESS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS GRAY AND THERE'S THE, THE TERM SUGGESTION IT IS.
THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING SOLID IN THERE.
AND IT'S REAL EASY FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, JASON,
IT'S REAL EASY TO SAY, JUST DON'T DO IT.
JUST DON'T GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S ANOTHER STORY FOR SOME PEOPLE NOT TO DO IT.
AND W AND WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE TO GO THERE? SO TO ME, AGAIN, COMING BACK TO HAVING TWO PEOPLE'S NAMES MENTIONED, OR PLACE PLACES MENTIONED, AND THEN FILL IN THE BLANKS, UH, AND TO DO THIS WHEN WE NEED SOMETHING, A POLICY IN PLACE TO DO, THIS IS JUST NOT VERY REALISTIC TO, TO DO THIS, TO, TO, TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF WE ARE MAKING A MOTION, IF WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON ANYTHING, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING EXCEPT OKAY.
HOW ABOUT WE GET A COMMITTEE TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS, AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHY DON'T WE, INSTEAD OF US GOING ROUND AND AROUND, AROUND, UP HERE ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA, WHY DON'T WE JUST ADD THAT TO THE STRATEGIC PLANNING OF THE RETREAT OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED,
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AND THEN GO ROUND AROUND THERE INSTEAD OF ON COUNCIL NIGHT, TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA.THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO THAT.
RON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
STYLES LAST YEAR IN NOVEMBER, UH, HE HAD GONE ONLINE AND ADVOCATED FOR PEOPLE TO CONTACT SPECIFIC MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL ON A PENDING CASE, UH, TO FLIP THEIR VOTES.
UM, THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT WARNING ABOUT THAT.
THERE WAS A TRAINING, WHICH HE DID NOT ATTEND.
AND, UM, NOW THE POSTINGS ARE NOT ONLINE, BUT HE HAS STILL ADVOCATED, UH, PRIVATELY FOR PEOPLE TO FIGHT ZONING CASES THAT HE'S NOT IN FAVOR OF.
IS THAT AGAINST THE RULES PAGE? IF I'M AGAINST SOMETHING, IF I'M ON A BOARD, I CAN'T SPEAK OUT AGAINST IT BECAUSE I'M IN TROUBLE AND COUNCIL.
WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A RULE, BUT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THE RISKS OF, OF THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT A POLICY.
SO HE'S SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER THAT DOES THE SAME THING, OR GIVE US FALSE INFORMATION TO LEAD ONE TO A CONCLUSION THAT MAYBE A FALSE CONCLUSION WOULD FIT INTO THAT SAME CATEGORY.
WOULD IT NOT COME ON, PAY THE ANSWER'S YES.
IT'S THE SAME EXACT SAME THING.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A STANDARD, IT SHOULD BE IN A POLICY.
AND AGAIN, THE STAFF CAN ONLY ADVISE AND EDUCATE.
AND THEN THE COUNCIL SETS THE POLICIES ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT STANDARDS YOU WANT HELD AND ENFORCED ON SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WEEK IS A POLICY THAT, UH, YOU CAN'T A PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBER CANNOT SPEAK ABOUT A CASE THAT STILL HAS NOT GONE TO COUNCIL.
THEY'VE ALREADY VOTED IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION AT THAT TIME.
ANYBODY CAN GO AND WATCH WHATEVER THEY WANT.
UM, THERE IS THE, IT'S NOT PRIVILEGED INFORMATION.
IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, DO YOU WANT TO COME HERE? WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET TRASHED BY A PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSIONER AND WHOA, I'VE BEEN TO PLENTY OF PNC MEETINGS WHERE THERE'S A CERTAIN COMMISSIONER THAT GOES AFTER DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME, CALLS THEM LIARS ALL THE TIME.
AND SOMETIMES THEY AREN'T ALONE IN SOME OF THESE RIGHTS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE LYING, BUT I MEAN, HE DOES THAT IN PUBLIC BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN NOT SIT HERE AND START DOING THIS WAS, THEY HAVE A RIGHT.
IF I'M AGAINST SOMETHING, WHAT AM I JUST SUPPOSED TO BE QUIET AS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR NOT? YOU SHOULD ACCEPT WHATEVER'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE THIS TO OUR PLANNING SESSION? OR WE'RE JUST DECIDING TO DO THAT.
WE CAN'T DO A MOTION UNTIL AFTER PAUL, THIS IS COLLECTIVELY, BUT THIS ONE, LIKE EVEN FURTHER IS THERE, THERE'S NOT EVEN LIKE A, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS LIKE A WARNING OR IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ACTUALLY IN OUR ETHICS OR AN ENDS, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY NOTHING, EVEN IN OUR ETHICS ORDINANCE REGARDING THIS.
WELL, AND THAT WAS SORT OF WHAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IN CLOSE SESSION AND COMMUNICATING BACK AND FORTH IS HERE ARE EXPECTATIONS FOR YOU, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK LESS THAN, LET ME, HOW ABOUT THIS, LIKE LESSON LEARNED ON THIS ONE TOO.
I HEAR WHAT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
I HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC REACH OUT TO ME ON FRIDAY TO SAY LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? AND I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I KNOW, I KNOW WE CAN NEVER HAVE A BACKUP TO THEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE, I DO AGREE WITH THIS THING AS FAR AS LIKE LESSONS LEARNED, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, IT WAS NECESSARY FROM WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TO ACTUALLY WE COULD COULDN'T WE HAD NOT OBTAINED WHERE'S PAGE.
CAN WE HAVE NOT JUST SAID LIKE PERSONNEL MATTER OR SOMETHING? LIKE, DO WE HAVE TO WRITE PLACE THREE IN PLACE SIX ON THIS NAME OR THE POSITION YOU HAVE TO GO? OKAY.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NOT JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PROCEDURES AND WENT IN AND TALKED ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS RULES AND PROCEDURES.
WHY DID WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY PUT IT ON THERE? WE'VE GOT A GROUP OF PEOPLE RILED UP BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GOTCHA.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT BEHAVIOR THAT WAS BROUGHT TO SOMEONE'S ATTENTION.
SO IT WASN'T JUST OUT OF THE BLUE.
SOMEONE MADE A COMPLAINT AND BROUGHT IT TO MAYOR'S ATTENTION.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR US TO DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE IF WE WANT POLICY AND PROCEDURE.
UM, AT THIS POINT WHERE WE CAN'T REPRIMAND SOMEBODY OR WRITE THEM UP WHEN THERE'S POLICY AND PROCEDURE IN PLACE, THERE WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DO WHAT THAT GENTLEMAN DOES.
THEN IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE AND IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUN FOR ANYBODY IN THE CITY, SERVING ON COUNCIL
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STAFF WISE.I MEAN, A LOT OF WASTED TIME FOR, FOR WHAT WILL TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I'M TOTALLY, I MEAN, I THINK WE WERE PART OF THE FIRST COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO AS FAR AS INCORPORATING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AMEN, BLACK AND WHITE, LIKE LET'S ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
BUT, UM, LIKE ALL THIS IS GOING TO DO IS IT'S GOING TO FUEL OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO WHAT THAT GENTLEMAN DID AND IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING TO SERVE THE CITY.
IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
AND IT MAKES YOU THINK, WHY THE HELL DID I JUST DO THIS? SO I JUST SAID, HELLO, DR.
I THINK YOU'D LIKE TO DEFEND YOUR OR SURE.
AND THEY'RE ALMOST CALLED YOU, MR. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU LIKED THAT.
NOT EVEN THE MINISTER, WE WERE NOT INFORMED ABOUT WHAT THIS WAS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION.
THERE WAS NO WAY TO PREPARE FOR THIS.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON OR WHAT WE HAD BEEN ALLEGED TO DO.
NOW, THE ONLY COUNSELING THAT I RECEIVED WAS THAT YOU CANNOT DISCUSS ITEMS ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT HAVE TO DO WITH P AND Z WHILE THEY'RE BEING DISCUSSED.
AND WE CANNOT COME UP AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHY WE VOTED CERTAIN WAYS.
I ADVOCATED VERY FIERCELY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE DOING CERTAIN THINGS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE LEAVE THOSE MEETINGS AND GO, WHY DIDN'T I SAY THIS? I'VE BEEN INVOLVED UP HERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'M GOING TO TELL EACH AND EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL THAT IT WAS A LOT WORSE.
30 YEARS AGO, I'VE GOT A SUICIDE NOTE FROM A BOY THAT WAS PUSHED THAT WAY BY A POLICE OFFICER.
WE'VE GOTTEN MAGNIFICENT POLICE.
NOW WE'VE MADE A HECK OF A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I HAVE BEEN CALLED ALL KINDS OF NAMES AND I'VE BEEN TOLD NOT TO RESPOND.
THE ONLY THING THEY TOLD ME ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA WAS THAT IF I DID DISCUSS THINGS ON THERE, THE CITY COULD NOT REPRESENT ME.
IF THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THAT I WAS NO LONGER UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY AND TO USE DISCRETION.
IF YOU EXPECTED ME TO GET UP HERE AND BE A SHRINKING VIOLET, YOU KNEW BETTER.
AS FAR AS BAD MOUTHING DEVELOPERS.
WE HAD A COMMISSIONER LAST MEETINGS SAY THAT THE LAND OR MARKET CAN I SAY THAT COUNSELOR IT'S IN THE RECORD.
HE SAID, IT IS THE WORST PROJECT HE'S EVER SEEN IN HIS LIFE.
HAVE I REPRESENTED SOMEBODY ELSE UP THERE WHILE I WAS REPRESENTING THE CITY? NO, I HAVE NOT.
BUT I DID FOR 10 YEARS SERVE AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE 48 85 CHAPTER OF THE LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN CITIZENS HERE IN LAND, OR BECAUSE IT WAS AT ONE TIME.
I GIVEN THAT IF YOU LOOKED A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN ME, YOU'RE A TARGET.
AND WHEN MY MOTHER HAD A SCHOOL NAMED AFTER HER ROSA, ROSA WALLACE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN CITIZENS, THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES SHOWED UP FOR THE DEDICATION OF THAT SCHOOL.
ELLA MENDOZA SHOWED UP FOR THAT MEETING AND THE DEDICATION OF THE SCHOOL.
AND THEY CAME WHEN RAY SAYS RODRIGUEZ, OR I CALLED HIM WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT THE CITY WAS DOING THINGS THAT WERE NOT ON THE UP AND UP AND BELIEVE ME, YEARS AGO, THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF THAT.
I WANT YOU TO PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK THAT WE'VE COME THIS FAR.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW IN SOCIAL MEDIA, AND I REALIZE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF I'D SHUT UP, GOT TWO MORE MONTHS ON THIS.
I REALIZED I'M NOT GOING TO BE REAPPOINTED.
BUT I FEEL VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TOWN.
I'M ON THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
YOU WANT ME OFF OF THAT TO I SERVE AT YOUR DISCRETION.
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AT ANY TIME, BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING THAT I HAVE DONE BECAUSE I HAVE STOOD UP FOR PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO BE STOOD UP FOR.AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE FINE WITH A REALLY, REALLY SHORT DECK GOING UP AGAINST CITY HALL AND IS THE MOST FLATTENING THING I HAVE EVER SEEN.
BUT WHEN I'M CALLED ANTI-SEMITIC ON THE LINES, WHEN I'M CALLED HOMOPHOBIC ON THE FACEBOOK, WHEN I'M CALLED RACIST THERE, I'M GOING TO SHOOT BACK.
I DID NOT GIVE UP MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS WHEN I TOOK APPOINTMENT ON THE P AND Z.
AND NO ONE ELSE SHOULD EITHER.
I ASKED THAT WE COME UP WITH A PAGE WHERE WHEN PEOPLE ARE BLATANTLY, BLATANTLY LYING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING UP HERE, AND THEY'VE DONE IT TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THEY'VE DONE IT TO ME.
THEN THE CITY, I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO BE A REFEREE ON FACEBOOK.
I T I DON'T HATE THE STAFF TO THEN MAKE THEM DO THAT.
BUT WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WE PUT A PROJECT IN AND IT'S GONNA EAT UP EVERY BIT OF WATER THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO MAKE EVERY DAY, AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
THE CITY IS, YOU'D SAY, ACTUALLY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 5 MILLION GALLONS TO FILL THAT THING.
AND ABOUT 500,000 A DAY, MAYBE IF THEY DON'T USE THEIR OWN WATER, WHICH YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND MAYBE I'M IN TROUBLE FOR THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW I COULD CARE LESS ANYMORE BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO BE HEARD.
THERE'S A LOT OF LIES GOING ON.
IT AFFECTS NOT ONLY ME, BUT IT WILL AFFECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AS WELL.
I AM NOT DEFINED BY IF I'M A P AND Z COMMISSIONER, YOU WANT TO TAKE ME OFF? I'VE GOT SO MUCH OTHER STUFF TO DO.
I CAN USE MY TIME MUCH BETTER.
AND I REALLY WANT TO NAP RIGHT NOW, BUT ONE OF THE PEOPLE, AS YOU SAID, THAT HAS BEEN TORMENTING US.
I'VE ALREADY TOUCHED THAT ENOUGH.
DON'T, DON'T GIVE HIM OCCUPANT.
I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT HE TORMENTED YOU AS WELL.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU FILED A POLICE REPORT ON HIM.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID ON FACEBOOK, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN HE DID TORMENT YOU, AND IT GETS TIRESOME.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERS ME THE WORST IS WE'RE SITTING UP HERE WASTING THIS TIME RIGHT NOW.
AND I WAS GOING THROUGH STUFF BECAUSE A NOTORIOUS PACK RAT.
AND THIS WAS WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING ZONE BEFORE PLACE SEVEN.
AND RIGHT HERE, IT SAYS WATER WOULD BE THE DEFINING RESOURCE FOR TEXAS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AND WE NEED TO AGGRESSIVELY PLAN FOR IT.
THAT'S MY WORDS, 15 YEARS AGO.
AND WHILE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE 11 YEARS AWAY FROM RUNNING OUT OF WATER.
AND I THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DISAGREE ON THINGS IN YOUR CAMPAIGN FOR MARY, YOU SAID WE WERE GOING TO COME TOGETHER.
WE WERE GOING TO FIND WAYS TO AGREE TO DISAGREE.
YOU HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKES, JUST LIKE I HAVE, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY HAS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT THE CHARTER YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO RESIGN.
ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER, WHEN YOU RAN FOR MAYOR, YOU DID NOT.
YOU STAYED TO THE HILL COUNTRY NEWS THAT, UH, YOU HAD TO VIOLATED, UH, THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND YOU WERE SORRY, AND YOU WOULD NOT DO IT AGAIN.
DO I WANT YOUR HEAD ON A PLATE FOR THAT? NO, YOU'RE HUMAN AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, IF YOU DO YOUR JOB RIGHT, ARE GONNA MAKE THESE MISTAKES TOO.
BUT I'VE REPRESENTED THIS CITY HONORABLY FOR DECADES UPON DECADES.
AND IF I'VE HURT YOUR FEELINGS, IT'S BECAUSE I'M FRUSTRATED, PROBABLY THE SAME AS YOU IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
AND I'LL CLOSE THIS WITH SOMEBODY SAYING THAT I'M A DOUBLE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALLED.
I HOLD TWO DIFFERENT BOARD POSITIONS.
AT ONE TIME, I HELD FOUR I'VE HELD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THROUGH THE YEARS.
AND IT SAID, AND UNFORTUNATELY OF ALL THE DOUBLES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED.
IF WE HOLD MORE THAN ONE POSITION, NINE OF THE 10 IDENTIFY AS MALES, I WAS LIKE, FIRST OFF, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO IDENTIFY.
AND WHO CARES IF WE LOOK UP HERE AT THIS COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, FIVE OUT OF THE SEVEN POSITIONS ARE HELD BY WOMEN 70%
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AND WHO CARES? WE WANT THE BEST PEOPLE OUT THERE, BUT MAKE SOME CHANGES TO MAKE THIS TOWN BETTER.ANY OF US GIVE UP OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY LYING, WE SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIT UP THERE AND SAY, YOU'RE A LIAR, COMMERCIAL REAL QUICK DIRECTED AT YOU TOO.
FOR 15 YEARS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS TOWN TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS THE BIRTHPLACE OF BILL PICKETT, 15 YEARS.
THERE'S FIVE, FIVE CITIES THAT BECAME LEANDER BAGHDAD.
BLOCKHOUSE WHITE STONE PLEASANT HILL.
AND I'LL ALWAYS FORGET ONE YEAR AGO AND MILLER COMMUNITY.
THE FRIEDMAN'S COMMUNITY, EVERY ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, EXCEPT THE MILLER COMMUNITY HAS A SCHOOL NAMED AFTER IT.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT DONE AND I NEED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOURS HELP TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BILL PICKETT, MY GRANDMOTHER USED TO TAKE HORSES TO HIM, SAID HE WAS THE BEST MAN SHE EVER KNEW.
HE PERFORMED IN MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.
HE PERFORMED FOR THE KING AND QUEEN OF ENGLAND.
HE DID THINGS THAT NOBODY ELSE IN LEANDER HAS DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED WAY MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE HAS.
AND HE DID IT IN THE 19 HUNDREDS WHEN HAVING A BLACK SKIN WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO HELP YOUR CAREER.
AND YET HE WAS EXTRAORDINARILY WELL LIKED.
HE ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN I HAVE TIME TO GO OVER.
AND HE HAS BEEN HONORED IN EACH AND EVERY PLACE THAT HE HAS SPENT ANY TIME OF HIS LIFE.
AND IN THE IMPACT HERE, IT SAYS BILL PICKETT WAS BORN IN TAYLOR.
HE WAS BORN IN JINX BRANCH, THREE MILES AWAY FROM THIS CHAMBER.
AND IT'S TIME WE RECOGNIZE HIM AS WELL.
I'VE TAKEN UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
I'LL TRY TO BEHAVE A LITTLE BETTER.
I'VE ONLY GOT TWO MORE MONTHS, BUT IF YOU WANT ME GONE, YOU IT'S WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHT TO REMOVE ME.
WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS, TIM BARCEL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, LIKE A BROKEN RECORD HERE AT TIM SELL 9 0 5 TABERNASH DRIVE.
UM, TO ME, INSTEAD OF REMOVING THESE TWO GUYS, THEY NEED A PAT ON THE BACK FOR THEIR SERVICE THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
STYLES, CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE GUY.
I MEAN, LOOK HOW LONG HE'S BEEN HERE.
NOT ONLY, UH, IN TWO MONTHS, HE SHOULD NOT BE GONE.
YOU OUGHT TO HIRE HIM BACK ON.
YOU OUGHT TO PUT THEM BACK ON MR. MAY HERE.
HE GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY.
UM, TO ME, I DON'T, I REALLY SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.
LIKE YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR OWN PEOPLE IN CHARGE, RIGHT? I LIKE THE DIVERSITY.
I LIKE THE DIVERSITY OF THESE TWO GUYS.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE REINSTATED AND THEY SHOULD GET AN EXTENDED TERM.
THANK YOU, MELISSA WALSH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MELISSA WALSH, 9 0 5 ARVADA DRIVE.
UM, AT THIS PETTY TONIGHT, SERIOUSLY, THESE TWO GENTLEMEN HAVE DONE NOTHING, BUT DO THEIR JOB.
THEY'VE DONE THEIR JOB MORE THAN OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
STYLES, SERIOUSLY, HE'S THIRD GENERATION HERE.
AND DURING HIS LIKE DEFENSE SPEECH, HE'S TRYING TO FIGHT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO BE RECOGNIZED HERE IN OUR CITY.
SO I THINK THE PETTY DIFFERENCES NEED TO BE PUT ASIDE.
AND MR. MAY EVEN SAID HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WAS ACCUSED OF DOING TONIGHT, THAT HE JUST RESPONDED.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD JUST LET IT GO MOVE ON THIS WHOLE, LIKE NEW REGIME ISSUES, DRAMAS NEEDED, MOVE ON AND FIND PEACE IN OUR CITY BECAUSE OUR TIME SHOULD BE SPENT ELSEWHERE.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, WHAT IS THE DIRECTION? NO ACTION.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SAID IT.
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TO COME UP WITH RULES THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN SEE IN BLACK AND WHITE.SO THERE'S NO, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
ANYTHING ELSE? PAIGE? DO YOU NEED ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT? OKAY.
DO YOU NEED, DO YOU NEED A SECOND? YEAH, I JUST HAVE IT LISTED ON
I THINK THAT IT'S NOT INAPPROPRIATE TO SAY YOU'VE BEEN SPOKEN TO TWICE NOW ABOUT, UM, REPRESENTING THE HOA.
DON'T EMAIL US AS THE BOARD PRESIDENT, EVEN IF YOU'RE JUST COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU'VE GOT TO LEAVE IT SEPARATE.
I DO THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH STAFF AS A DIRECTION THOUGH.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN SAD.
YOU'RE JUST KIND OF REITERATING IT.
WELL, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T LISTEN TO STUFF, THEN WHAT DO WE DO? THAT'S THE THING.
SO JUST LISTEN TO STAFF THE FIRST TIME.
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WE ARE ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER, CLOSING COMMENTS, PLEASE.ONE, I THINK WE'VE SAID ENOUGH TONIGHT, BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN TO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
WELL, I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT TO, UM, TO SUPPORT THEIR COMMUNITY, TO SUPPORT PEOPLE, TO SUPPORT US, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU'RE HERE FOR.
UM, I THINK ANYTIME WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE, ESPECIALLY STAYING THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT IS TO BE YOU'RE YOU'RE TO BE RECOGNIZED AND COMMENDED.
UM, BUT I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE, UM, ALL OF P AND Z REALLY.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, THE FOCUS IS ON, ON TWO OF THEM THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE OTHERS HERE AT NIGHT.
SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE SERVED PRIOR, UM, SOME THAT WILL SERVE IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UH, SOME THAT SERVE NOW THAT ARE NOT, NOT BEING IN QUESTION THAT, UM, IT, IT, WE, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE THESE ISSUES COME UP.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT, BUT THANK YOU.
AND PLEASE KNOW YOU HAVE SUPPORT.
UM, AND I'VE PERSONALLY APPRECIATED AND SHARED WITH YOU.
A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID TO CORRECT MISINFORMATION, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO, UH, WHO DID WHO'S SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK IF WE START TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW THIS IS CLOSING COMMENTS, BUT IF WE START TALKING ABOUT, SHUT UP, JASON, WE START TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE COMMITTEE JUST TO WATCHING POLICE SOCIAL MEDIA AND HAVE FACT CHECKERS FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER.
SO ANYWAY, HAVE A LOVELY EVENING, EVERYONE, PLEASE, TOO, TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN JOIN THE LEANDER ACTIVE ADULTS CLUB, AND YOU CAN GET INFORMATION ON FACEBOOK IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT.
GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY PLAY SIX.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO RUN A NEW BUDDY.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GOLFING, THE, UM, FALL GOLF TOURNAMENT FOR LAND OR CHAMBER HAS OPENED UP AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 13TH, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR AND ALSO THANK YOU TO WORK AND MARK WHO HAVE AGREED TO SERVE ON OUR COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS.
AND THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT DO SERVE BECAUSE I DO IT IS A LOT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
NOTHING HAVE A GREAT NIGHT, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
I WANT TO WELCOME OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, UH, RICK, UH, CONGRATULATIONS.
AND, UH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PASSION IN THE CITY.
IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING MEETING AND, UH, THANK YOU TO BLUE CORN HARVEST TONIGHT WHO PROVIDED DINNER.
PLEASE REMEMBER WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR DINNER OUT TO SHOP LOCAL AND SUPPORT THE LEANDRA ECONOMY.
THAT IS ALL WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 9 33.