* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Open Meeting and Roll Call.] [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING. THE TIME IS 8:35 AM ON MONDAY, AUGUST 23RD. AND THIS IS A LANDER CITY COUNCIL RETREAT. ALL RIGHT, FIRST OFF, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ROLL CALL CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, COUNCIL MEMBER, KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER. NEW COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME MATT GEEK LONGORIA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON, PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS SURNAME, MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY ROSS HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE SAID REQUEST HERE. OKAY. QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FIRST UP ON OUR AGENDA IS GOING TO [2. Discuss Capital Improvement Program Projects and timeline.] BE DISCUSSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS AND TIMELINE OF IS MR. GRIMSBY. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR COUNCIL. HOW'S EVERYONE DOING GREAT. HOW ARE YOU THIS BRIGHT MONDAY MORNING. DOING GREAT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK CIP THIS MORNING, BY THE WAY, DAN GRIMSBY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THIS MORNING WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE FYI, UH, 22 CIP FORMAT, UH, PROJECTS IN COUNCIL DIRECTION, UH, LARGER CIP PROJECTS, UH, NEEDING ISSUANCE OF DEBT AND FUTURE FUNDING SOURCES. OOPS, WHAT AM I GOING THE WRONG WAY? THIS IS HOW WE WAKE EVERYBODY UP MONDAY. ARE YOU WITH DIFFERENCES? I GOT IT. I GOT IT. I'M UNDER CONTROL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I FIGURED IT OUT. UM, SO SLIDE THREE. UM, THIS YEAR WE HAVE CHANGED THE CIP FORMAT. UH, WE STILL HAVE FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT TWO YEARS FOR THE BUDGET ONLY. AND THEN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, OUR FUTURE PROJECTS CURRENTLY THE CIP IS IN DRAFT FORMAT. THEIR PROJECTS OR FUNDING SOURCES SUPPORTING THE PROJECT CAN BE CHANGED BASED ON DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. THIS CONCEPT OF A NEW FORMAT WAS TRIED, UH, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED WITH A FOCUS ON THE NEXT TWO YEARS. AND THEN MORE REVIEW ON THE OUT YEARS, AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE RE UH, READABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE. SO HERE'S A CONCEPT. THE CONCEPT WAS TO HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE FIRST TWO YEARS IN THIS CASE, FYI 22 AND 23, THEN A DISTINCT SUMMARY OR LIST OF FUTURE PROJECTS. THEN THE DETAIL SHEETS AS THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR EACH PROJECT FOR FY 22 AND 23, WE ALSO ADDED A SUMMARY MAP SHOWING LOCATION OF EACH PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY. AGAIN, THE DETAILED MAP WAS SHOW THE EXACT LOCATION. SO IN YOUR HANDOUT YOU HAVE THE CRP SUMMARY SHEET. AND SO I TAKE, I LIKE TO TAKE THIS TO LOOK AT IT FOR A MINUTE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A F F Y 22 AND 23. AND THEN, UM, AND IT SAYS SHORT RANGE, AND THEN IT'S BROKEN DOWN IN EACH OF THE AREAS. SO I'M GONNA USE AN EXAMPLE, UH, MR. PALITY AND THERE'S THREE PROJECTS THERE. IF YOU GO TO THE , YOU SEE THE THREE PROJECTS ADD UP THE 2 3500 AND THEN THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE LISTED BELOW THE THREE TYPES OF FUNDING SOURCES AND THEN AML. AND IF YOU SEE, WE HAVE MORE FUNDING THAN WE DO PROJECTS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEBT SHOWING, WHICH IS GREAT, AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE DEBT. AND BY THE WAY, ALL PROJECTS FOR FYI 22, UM, ARE, ARE BALANCED OUT EXCEPT FOR ONE. UNFORTUNATELY, I'LL GET TO THAT. UM, THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS A OF NON-FUNDED WOULD BE, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS THE THIRD SECTION DOWN IN THE SUMMARY SHEET, AND YOU LOOK AT FYI 23, UM, IF YOU SEE T 16 AND T 17, WHICH IS THE EAST STREET ROADWAY, AND THEN THE INTERSECTION YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROJECTS ADD UP TO AN AMOUNT, AND IT WAS ONLY THAT AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WAS MOVED OVER FOR FY 23. AND AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A DEFICIT OF 1.9 MILLION ABOUT $2 MILLION FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. SO THAT WOULD INDICATE TO THE COUNCIL THAT THERE'S A DEBT THERE. AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THAT, UM, W THROUGH WHATEVER, WHATEVER TYPE OF FUNDING SOURCES. SO, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, AT THE, UH, SUMMARY SHEET, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S, THAT THE INFORMATION IS FOCUSED ON TWO YEARS, IT HAS THE FUNDING SOURCES, AND THEN THE AMOUNTS AT THE, AT THE TOTALS, UM, ON BOTH THE PROJECT AND THE FUNDING SOURCE. SO HOPEFULLY IT'S A SHORT, CONCISE AND READABLE AGAIN. AND UNDERSTANDABLE. THEN IF YOU LOOK PAST THE, UH, INTO THE LONG RANGE, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ONE, AND YOU'LL SEE, IT'LL SAY LONG RANGE, FYI, 24 THROUGH 26, THOSE ARE FOR OUR FYI 24, 5 [00:05:01] AND SIX, UM, WITH THE TOTALS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC THREE YEARS. AND THEN BEYOND THAT IS JUST, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE BEYOND THAT. NOW WE SHOWED ALL THEIR PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE. AND MOST OF THEM, UH, THESE PROJECTS COME FROM THE MASTER PLANS, UH, TRANSPORTATION, UH, PARKS, WASTEWATER, AND WATER, AND SO FORTH. SO, UH, WE TOOK THOSE PROJECTS. WE ALSO, UH, THIS TIME AROUND, WE TALKED TO THE OPERATORS AND PEOPLE IN THE FIELD WHO SEE ACTUAL CONDITIONS AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS BASED ON LIKE WATER MODELING OR TRANSPORTATION, OTHER PROJECTS MIGHT HAVE MOVED UP, UM, INTO THE FYI 24, THROUGH 26, OR EVEN A 22 THROUGH 23. I'M A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE THE MASTER PLANS MIGHT SHOW. AND OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT A CIP IS SUPPOSED TO DO IS, IS ADJUST TO CHANGES. OKAY. UM, ONE THING, UM, IN THE, IN THE PAST THAT WAS DONE AND WE DIDN'T DO THIS YEAR IS THAT ALL THEIR PROJECTS WERE LISTED INTO SUMMARY AND YOU WERE LISTED IN, UM, UH, SAY PROJECT NUMBER, AND IT WAS SIX THROUGH WHATEVER. UM, IF A PROJECT IS GIVEN A NAME, THAT'S THE NAME, BUT IT MAY NOT BE IN THE EXACT ORDER, UM, OR THERE COULD BE A SKIP BEFORE YOU SAW OTHER PROJECTS LISTED IN THE SUMMARY SHEET, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN 22. THEN YOU SAW 24. THEN AT 26, IT WAS VERY, TO ME, IT WAS VERY CONFUSING. NOW YOU'RE JUST SEEING 22. AND THEN YOU'RE JUST SEEING 23. AND THE PROJECT NUMBER MAY NOT EVEN BE AN ORDER. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PROJECT NUMBER OR THE NAME IT'S ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE PRIORITY THAT IT HAS FOR THAT GIVEN YEAR. SO, UM, SO DON'T TRY TO PUT A, THE PROJECT NUMBER, ANY KIND OF SEQUENCE. UM, IT'S JUST THE NUMBER, SO WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF IT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THAT PROJECT COULD MOVE, AND IT COULD BE BASED ON THE COUNCIL COUNCIL MAY COME UP AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST GOING TO PICK ONE P 22. DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO THAT ONE? AND WE'RE SAYING YES, AND YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THERE'S A MORE IMPORTANT PROJECT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE P 22 OUT AND BRING IN P 24 SAY, SO THE NUMBER DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT WHAT PROJECT IS, IS BEING PRIORITIZED FOR COMPLETION. OKAY. UM, KIND OF ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO GO BEFORE WE MOVE OFF THE SUMMARY SHEET IS THAT WE ALSO DID LOOK AT THE FYI 20, UH, 20, 20 AND 2021. SO MANY OF THE PROJECTS, UM, FROM 2021 ARE ON FYI 2022. AND IN 2021 ALSO, UM, THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMITTEE PRIORITIZE CERTAIN PROJECTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE MISSILE QUALITY PROJECTS TO AMNON AND M 16 WERE FROM 2021 CARRIED OVER TO 2022. AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE THOSE PROJECTS ACTUALLY HAPPEN. UM, AGAIN FOR PARKS, UM, FOR THE PROJECTS, UH, CARRIED OVER, BUT TWO OF THEM WERE PRIORITY PROJECTS. AND 2021, YOU HAD A PRIORITY OF ONE, TWO AND THREE FOR PROJECTS. UM, I WASN'T HERE. I'M NOT SURE THE REASONING FOR THE, FOR THE 1, 2, 3, BUT ONE WAS CRITICAL TO A SEVERE AND THREE WAS HIGH. SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT THOSE PROJECTS AND TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE A PRIORITY IN 2021 WERE CARRIED OVER. SO EXAMPLE, UH, BRYSON'S UH, FARMSTEAD WAS A THREE, WHICH WAS A HIGH PRIORITY AND OLD TOWN PARK WAS A TWO, WHICH WAS A SEVERE PRIORITY FOR TRAFFIC. FOR EXAMPLE, RAIDERS WAY WAS A, WHAT WAS A ONE, WHICH WAS A CRITICAL PRIORITY AND 21 AND A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES ARE W 40, WHICH WAS THE SAN GABRIEL ELEVATED STORAGE TANK, WHICH IS MOVING FORWARD. BUT THAT WAS ALSO A ONE AND THE SANDY CREEK, UH, SLUDGE PROCESSING WAS A ONE. SO THOSE ALSO THOSE PROJECTS GOT CARRIED OVER BECAUSE THEY WERE A PRIORITY LAST YEAR. AND WE, AGAIN, THE, THEY HOLD TRUE THAT THEY'RE A PRIORITY THIS YEAR AND THEY NEED TO GET DONE AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THOSE PRIORITIES AND OTHER ONES LISTED ARE FUNDED. OKAY, NOW SEE IF I CAN OPERATE THIS CORRECTLY. SO SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION, UH, FOR SOME SPECIFIC PROJECTS, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS THAT WILL HELP TO DISCUSS, UM, YOU DID HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PARKS AND THE DECISION FOR THEM, IT WAS, UM, IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD, UM, WHETHER ADDITIONAL FUNDING WILL BE NEEDED. AND, UH, DOES COUNCIL WANT TO SUPPORT THAT FUNDING THROUGH VARIOUS FUNDING METHODS? UM, THE MISS THE PALLIATIVE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED, UM, THE FIRE STATION TWO AND RENOVATION. AND, AND BY THE WAY, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE DIRECTORS ARE HERE TO TALK. [00:10:01] SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC PROJECTS, UM, THEY CAN COME UP AND SPEAK TO THEM. UM, THE TWO MS. QUALITY PROJECTS, I THINK MYSELF ARE, ARE IMPORTANT. THEY'RE FUNDED AND THEY SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. THE THIRD ONE IS THE UTILITY ONE. NOW I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE. THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE, UH, AMR AMI THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE FOR THE CITY AND, UH, GEORGETOWN AND CEDAR PARK. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT RON ROCK SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY BOTH HAVE AMR SYSTEM AND CEDAR PARK REALLY HAS A, UM, A MATURE SYSTEM. UH, YOU GO ON THEIR WEBSITE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN IN THE REBATE SECTION, BUT THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM, UM, FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS. SORRY, MR. GRIMSLEY, CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND US WHAT AN AMR SYSTEM IS? OH, IT'S, UM, IT'S ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHAT THAT DOES IS, UM, YOU HAVE A METER IN YOUR YARD, KIND OF LIKE THINK OF THE ELECTRICAL. UM, EVERYBODY EQUATES ELECTRICAL, YOU NEVER SEE ELECTRICAL GUYS READING IT BECAUSE ALL THE ELECTRICAL METERS AT YOUR HOUSE ARE AUTOMATIC. THEY GO TO A CENTRAL DATABASE, UM, THEY GET COLLECTED. THEY SAY HOW MUCH, UM, ENERGY USED, AND THEN YOU GET BILLED FOR THAT. UM, YOU CAN GO ON THE AIR ON LINE. I'M SURE MANY OF YOU'VE DONE THAT, UM, GO ONLINE AND SEE YOUR ELECTRICAL BILL AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU'RE USING PER MONTH OR VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. WELL, THE WATER, UM, UM, ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE DOES SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH WATER ARE YOU USING. YOU CAN SET ALERTS, LIKE I ONLY WANT TO USE 5,000 GALLONS THIS MONTH, AND IT'LL ALERT YOU ON AN EMAIL SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE AT YOUR LIMIT, STOP WATERING YOUR LAWN OR FILLING YOUR POOL. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM. AND IT REALLY ALLOWS CUSTOMERS, ESPECIALLY WITH IRRIGATION AND POOLS, ET CETERA, TO WATCH HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE USING AND US. UM, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S THE BEST BIG BROTHER DEVICE EVER, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FOR WATER EVER CREATED. UM, IT REALLY ALLOWS US TO ALSO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO GOOD SYSTEM. SO, SO WE WANT TO, UH, UM, MAKE THAT PROJECT MOVE FORWARD AND KIND OF THE DECISION THE COUNCIL HAS TO KIND OF MAKE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE FEDERAL STIMULUS FUNDS. WHAT'S THIS CALLED A RPA AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS. AND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SYSTEM IS, UM, ONE OF THE ONES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED WITHIN THE, UM, THE INSTRUCTIONS AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, UNDER SECTION SIX, IT TALKS ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION AND EFFICIENCY. AND THIS SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE THAT. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, HOW MUCH OF THE FUNDS ARE WE GOING TO USE? WE'RE GOING TO USE ALL OF IT ALL $5 MILLION FOR THE SYSTEM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO INITIATE GETTING A AUTOMATIC METER READING SYSTEM ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT 25,000 CONNECTIONS. AND SO THAT'S A PERFECT USE OF THE PROJECT, UM, AND FUNDS. AND SO AS FAR AS THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THEY WANT TO GO. WE, THE STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING IT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF EFFICIENCY AND HOPEFULLY WATER CONSERVATION. AND LIKE I SAID, ALL THE SURROUNDING CITIES AND TO INCLUDE THE CITY, I CAME FROM CORPUS CHRISTI, ALL SWEAR BY IT. UM, YOU COULD TALK TO THE CITY MANAGERS AND EVERYONE WOULD SAY, YEP, ABSOLUTELY GET THE SYSTEM INSTALLED. AS FAR AS THE OTHER ONES, I WILL. UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THOSE, UM, WAS CERTAINLY BRINGING UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND TALK TO THOSE. SO BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, ANY QUESTIONS, I ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE AMR PROJECT. SO THIS IS THE FIRST THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THAT FOR THE ARPA FUNDS. UM, CAN WE GET SOMETHING ON THAT, THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT A DEPLOYMENT OF THIS LOOKS LIKE? UH, HOW LONG BEFORE THIS IS CITY-WIDE AND THEN WHAT THE COST SAVINGS ARE GOING TO BE? BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT IF WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY METERING THEM, WE DON'T EMPLOY SO MANY METER READERS TO GO OUT AND CHECK ON THINGS. YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE TRUCKS DRIVING BY, UM, ET CETERA. NOW WE HAVE MANUAL READS, SO YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE GOING OUT AND MANUALLY READING, ET CETERA. UM, SAN ANTONIO IS FINALLY FIGURING IT OUT AND YOU'RE SCROLLING DOWN A METER, READS SOME OTHER, ANOTHER LARGE CITY. UM, THEY ACTUALLY CALLED US ASKING US, HEY, CAUSE CORPUS CHRISSY'S BEEN ON IT FOR, LET'S SAY 10 YEARS, MAYBE EVEN 12 FOR AWHILE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY UPGRADING EHRS TO HAVE ALL THE NEW BELLS AND WHISTLES. SO CUSTOMERS CAN ACTUALLY GO ON WITH THEIR CELL PHONE AND SAY, HEY, WHAT AM I? AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT SAVED US WHEN A CUSTOMER CALLS AND SAY, I DIDN'T USE THAT MUCH WATER. RIGHT? UH, WELL, LET ME SHOW YOU THE GRAPH. RIGHT. WELL, AND I WOULD ASSUME YOU CAN DETECT LEAKS MUCH FASTER. YES. MA'AM, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS ABOUT IT IS PEOPLE CAN DETERMINE THAT THERE'S A LEAK. THERE'S ACTUALLY IT, AND ACTUALLY A THING THAT INDICATES ON YOUR CELL PHONE THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU MIGHT HAVE A LEAK BECAUSE YOU'RE USING SO MUCH WATER, YOU'RE USING MORE THAN YOU'RE NORMALLY USING. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. SO YES, YES. MA'AM, WE'LL LOOK, WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION AND YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IS A SURPRISE. AND I APOLOGIZE. UM, THE, UH, THE FUNDING KIND OF SORTA CAME UP NOT TOO LONG AGO AND BRAINSTORMING, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE CREDIT TO [00:15:01] ROBERT AND HE'S GOING TO HATE THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT, BUT ROBERT IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE AN AWESOME PROJECT FOR THIS FUNDING. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE AND ALSO TROUBLE. THIS ONE-TIME EXPENSE IS GOING TO SAVE US ON, UH, PERSONNEL AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE. AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT THAT SAVINGS IS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. OKAY. THAT'S UH, THAT'S UH, ABSOLUTELY A GOOD QUESTION. AND, AND WE'LL PROVIDE THAT. THANK YOU. UH, COUNSEL Y'ALL CAN JUMP IN WITH QUESTIONS TOO. SORRY. I'M BEING CHATTY, MR. PRINCE, BRO. IS THERE ANY CHARGE TO THE CUSTOMER, TO THE RESIDENTS OR THIS WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING THERE'S NO CHARGE OR ANYTHING? NO, THE, UH, WELL NOT, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, NO. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GET A CONSULTANT IN AND FIGURING OUT, UM, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, IT'S KIND OF A WIFI SYSTEM. SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, UM, UH, MODULES FOR, UH, RADIOS WHERE WE NEED TO PUT TOWERS AND SO FORTH THEN. UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THE, UH, THE GRANT MONEY WILL FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT WHERE, UH, PRETTY MUCH MOST OF IT. AND IF WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER PHASE AND ANOTHER PHASE, IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD GET THE WHOLE CITY DONE, BUT, UM, IT'S, WE'RE GETTING CONNECTIONS AND YOU'RE COMING PRETTY FAST EVERY, EVERY MONTH, EVERY YEAR. SO, UM, UM, MY PERSONAL OPINION, WE NEED TO GET STARTED NOW, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 50,000 CONNECTIONS, UH, THE COST OF JUST START GOING UP QUICK, MORE QUICKLY, THE 25,000 CONNECTIONS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THAT TAKING TO ACCOUNT OUR PROJECTED GROWTH FOR NEXT YEAR? NO, THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS JUST WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND DO YOU THINK THE MONEY FROM WHAT YOU'VE RESEARCHED WOULD COVER THE 25,000? UM, WE KIND OF DID IT BEHIND A NAPKIN, SO WE REALLY NEED TO PUT OUT AN RFP TO HIRE A CONSULTANT, TO GIVE US REAL, REAL HARD DATA. AND PART OF THAT, UM, WE CAN ANSWER AGAIN, KIND OF HIGH-LEVEL MAYOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT SAVINGS FOR PEOPLE, VEHICLES, ET CETERA. UM, BUT THE, WHEN WE HIRED THE CONSULTANT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE US LIKE REAL NUMBERS ON THE TYPES OF SAVING THAT WE WILL GET FROM THIS SYSTEM. UM, SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU KIND OF HIGH LEVEL AND THEN THE DETAILS WILL, WILL BE TO FOLLOW. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS IS REGARDING MR. POWERS MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BECAUSE HE KIND OF KNOWS EVERYTHING. DID WE NOT VOTE ON SOMETHING? THIS SOUNDS VERY FAMILIAR THAT WE VOTED ON SOMETHING TO RETROFIT. UM, TWO, IS THAT WHAT WE DID TO ALLOW THIS TYPE OF, OF SYSTEM? NOT EXACTLY. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE SYSTEMS. ONE IS THE, THE MANUAL SYSTEM WHERE THE METER READER GOES BY AND, AND MANUALLY READS THERE'S AMR, WHICH IS THE DRIVE BY WHERE THE UNIT IS IN THE VEHICLE. AND THE METER READER DRIVES THE SUBDIVISION AND IT PICKS UP ALL THE READINGS. AND WHAT MR. GRIMSBY WAS TALKING ABOUT AMI IS WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE, UM, INTERNET SPACE TOWERS READING THE WHOLE SYSTEM. SO THERE'S NO DRIVING AROUND. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A COMBINATION OF, UM, WE STARTED THE AMR AUTOMATED ON A MATED READING SYSTEM IN 2007, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME OLD MANUAL METERS. AND TWO YEARS AGO WE INCLUDED IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS BUDGET, UM, $1.8 MILLION TO RETROFIT ALL OF THOSE OLD METERS. UM, WE DID NOT PURSUE THAT AGGRESSIVELY BECAUSE OF MANPOWER AND SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT SINCE THEN, UM, WE'VE SHIFTED OUR PREFERENCE TO GO TO THE AMI SYSTEM AS, AS MORE CITIES HAVE GONE TO IT. AND IT'S NOT JUST THERE ARE COST SAVINGS, BUT I WOULD NOT SAY THAT AS WHY STAFF IS BRINGING IT FORWARD. IT IS MANAGEMENT OF THE WATER DEMAND. AS WE HAVE SEEN, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MANAGE, UM, PEAK DAY DEMAND, 30 TO 40 DAYS BEHIND, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S, THE RETROFITTING HAS BEEN COMPLETED. SO THIS IS, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT OKAY. THOSE FUNDS, THE 1.8 WAS NEVER SPENT. IT'S STILL IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND. UM, W AS WE CAN WITH MANPOWER, WE ARE SLOWLY RETROFITTING SOME OF THOSE OTHERS, BUT THAT JUST MOVES THOSE MANUAL METERS TO AMR SO THAT WHEN THE METER READER IN THE TRUCK IS DRIVING BY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYTHING IS GETTING PICKED UP, NOT 90%, SO, OKAY. UM, BUT WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT AMI IS THE [00:20:01] WAY TO GO. WE'VE HAD ROUND ROCK DOES HAVE THE SYSTEM AS WELL. SO OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE GONE TO IT. THEY'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH IT. AND, UM, AGAIN, IT'S ON THE, THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT SIDE. THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SAVINGS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, ONE OR TWO METER READERS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE, THE NUMBER OF SPIN OUT. SO THANK YOU CHECKING ON TO THAT. SO IF THAT MONEY IS STILL SITTING THERE, WOULD WE JUST DROP THAT PROJECT ALTOGETHER? EVEN THOSE ONES THAT HAVEN'T ARE STILL MANUAL, JUST LEAVE THAT ALONE. AND THEN SO POTENTIALLY THAT MONEY COULD BE MOVED TO SOMETHING ELSE, OR IF THERE IS EXTRA MONEY TO MOVE TO AMI, YES, WE ARE NOT AGGRESSIVELY SPENDING, UH, OR WE ARE NOT SPENDING THE 1.8 ON THE RETROFIT. WE STILL HAVE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, THE ABILITY TO DO A COUPLE OF HUNDRED A MONTH, EVEN THAT'S A STRETCH WITH OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PHYSICALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, DO THAT. UH, BUT THE $1.8 MILLION THAT WAS PUT IN THERE TWO YEARS AGO IS IN THE POT THAT MR. GRIMSBY WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, AND IN THE BUDGET SEATTLE. OKAY. I JUST HATED TO SEE US STILL SPEND MONEY THERE IF WE CAN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER OUT THERE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT MORE EFFICIENT. WE ARE NOT SPENDING MONEY UNLESS, UM, THOSE, UM, OLDER METERS NEED TO BE REPLACED OR IT'S CAUSING US PROBLEMS. AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, IT MAY BE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT WHEN, UH, THE CITY OF CEDAR PARK, UH, WENT TO ALL AMI, UH, THE NEWS REPORTS WERE IT, THEY WERE IN FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR RANGE. SO, UH, SOME OF THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO DO IT ALL, OR WHETHER YOU LIKE THE CITY AROUND ROCKET, BELIEVE THEY USE THEIR CITY STAFF TO DO SOME OF IT, BUT THEY'RE STILL AN EXPENSE TO BUY THE TECHNOLOGY. YEAH. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH ROBERT. UM, HE, HE'S CORRECT ABOUT THE WATER DEMAND CAUSE THE, THE SYSTEM ALLOWS LITERALLY IT'S BY THE MINUTE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NOW GET THEIR BILL AND THEN THEY DON'T SEE HOW MUCH WATER THEY USE UNTIL AFTER, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS. AND, AND IF THEY HAVE A LEAK OR A TOILET THAT STUCK, UM, IT IS AMAZING HOW FAST, YOU KNOW, WATER CAN, UM, BE DISPENSED THROUGH THAT. SO ROBERT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, THE SAVINGS WILL BE SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE PROJECT, BUT IT WON'T COVER THE ENTIRE PROJECT BY IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PEAK DEMAND AND CONSERVATION AND GETTING PEOPLE EDUCATED AND UNDERSTANDING HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING, BECAUSE IF THEY REALLY DON'T SEE IT, THEY JUST LET THE TIMER FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, JUST CLICK ON AND IT RUNS AT NIGHT AND THEY DON'T SEE IT OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND. AND, AND WATER CONSERVATION IS GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AS WE HAVE LESS AND LESS AVAILABLE WATER FOR EVERYBODY TO USE. THAT'S FOR YOU FOR YOU. UM, WHEN YOU MENTIONED, UM, 5 MILLION OR SO BUCKS FROM THE RPA FUNDS AND THAT COVERING IT, WERE YOU FACTORING IN THE SURPLUS OF THE ONE POINT IF IT'S STILL NO SILVER? OKAY. IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LEFT OVER, IT CAN COME FROM THERE TOO TO SUPPLEMENT. IS THAT ACCURATE? WELL, W W W WE, WHAT WE DID IS, UM, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, SO THIS YEAR, UM, WHEN WE DID THE CIP, UM, AGAIN, ROBERT, HIS STAFF KIND OF CAME UP WITH A GOOD WAY TO HIT ALL THE FUNDS KIND OF PUT, AND IF YOU WANT TO SAY BOXES, WHATEVER, WHATEVER FUNDS THAT WAS. AND THEN THE STAFF IN EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS WENT INTO EACH OF THOSE BOXES AND SAID, BASED ON PRIORITY FROM LAST YEAR AND OTHERS, AND THOSE MASTER PLANS, WHAT PROJECTS CAN BE PUT IN THOSE, IN THOSE PROJECTS. SO I'M GONNA USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE CIP. YOU'LL SEE IT, THE DOWNTOWN FIRE, UM, UPGRADE WATER SYSTEM, UPGRADE FIRE FLOW UPGRADE IS A SYSTEM THAT WE PUT INITIALLY IN THE, UM, WATER IMPACT FEE. WELL, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE WATER IMPACT FEE CAN'T COVER THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT. AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL KIND OF DISCUSS THAT. SO NOW WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT OUT OF THE WATER IMPACT FEE BOX INTO ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. WELL, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF, WHEN ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE WOULD SAY CIP FUNDING SOURCE, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH SAID, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS I CAN GO ON THERE. AND THEY MIGHT INCLUDE ONES THAT DON'T FIT IN THE IMPACT FEE. THAT COULD BE WASTEWATER. THAT COULD BE WATER. THIS IS ONE WHERE [00:25:01] IT DOESN'T FIT ANY IMPACT FEE. SO NOW WE HAVE TO FUND IT ANOTHER WAY. AND THAT'S TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU FUND CIP PROJECTS, THE IMPACT, THESE HELPED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FIF ROADS WILL HELP, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY UPGRADINGS OR, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HELP A SYSTEM WORK BETTER, ARE YOU IN A DEVELOPMENT, THEN YOU CAN'T USE AN IMPACT FEE. AND I HAVE THE EXACT WORDING ON THAT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE CHAPTER, THE TEXAS, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER. SO, SO WHAT WE DID WAS THAT 1.8, IT WAS IN, IN THE BOX WHERE SAY CIP. SO WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY SAID, HEY, ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE FUNDED WITH THAT FUNDS. OKAY. THE AMR OR AMI CAUSE PEOPLE USE THAT INTERCHANGEABLY REALLY WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY WITH THE GRANT FUNDS SO THAT WHEN THAT BOX WAS SHOWN AND IT SAID, UM, FEDERAL STIMULUS FUND, THE ONLY PARTY YOU'LL SEE IN THERE IS THAT ONE. AND IT TAKES UP THE WHOLE FUNDING. NOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT YET, WE CAN CERTAINLY USE, USE THAT FUNDING FOR OTHER PROJECTS. YOU CAN TURN YOUR HEAD. I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT I THINK WOULD MAYBE ANSWER COUNSELS IF EVEN THE CONSULTANTS ARE EVEN OUR WATER DEMAND CONSULTANTS, UH, COULD GIVE US A BALLPARK. WHAT WOULD THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED GROSS, UH, BENEFITS, LET'S SAY PER THOUSAND CUSTOMERS, IS IT 5% MAYBE JUST FROM GENERAL OVERALL WATER DEMAND MANAGEMENT, AND THEN KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD BE MAYBE ON THE LABOR SIDE, JUST TO PROBABLY A GROSS PERCENTAGE PER THOUSAND, AND THEN WHAT WE COULD EXTRAPOLATE OUT AND GIVE, EVEN BEFORE WE HIRE THE, THE DESIGN PHASE CONSULTANTS. SO, SO YES, WE COULD, WE CAN DO THAT. THE CONSULTANTS COULD PROBABLY FIGURE IT OUT MULTIPLE WAYS. ANOTHER WAY THEY CAN LOOK AT THIS IS SAY, IF YOU HAVE THIS SYSTEM, MAN, AND PEOPLE QUIT IN THE SUMMER, WE HAVE A PEAK DEMAND AND SAY WE'RE USING. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REBATES, I HAVE THE QUOTE FROM GEORGETOWN WHERE THEY HAVE ON THEIR WEBSITE, THAT DURING THE SUMMER 75% OF THEIR WATER, THAT THEY MAKE RETREAT IS USED FOR IRRIGATION. UM, IF WE COULD, ACTUALLY, OURS IS PROBABLY SIMILAR. IF WE COULD CUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER USED DURING THE SUMMER DOWN THAT NOT EXPANDS OUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE HAVE FOR YEARS. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD, UH, UM, ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS OR LARGER WATER LINES OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR YEARS DOWN THE LINE. SO THAT'S A SAVING IN AND THEN ITSELF. UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN LONG-TERMS, IF WE KEEP GROWING THE WAY WE ARE, UM, SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WE CAN DELAY, IT WILL THEN SAVE COSTS AS WELL. AND IF THIS AMI HELPS SUPPORT AND EDUCATES PEOPLE ON HOW THE WATER, THEIR LAWN, AND, UM, THAT WILL HELP WITH ALSO CAL SAVINGS DOWN THE LINE, AS WE CHEAT, AS WE START CHANGING THAT MINDSET OF HOW YOU USE WATER, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER, BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN WE DESIGNED AND WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, YOU ALWAYS DESIGN THINGS FOR PEAK, MEANING WHATEVER THE PEAK DEMAND IS, PEOPLE WANT TO SAY, I NEED THE WATER. AND IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, IT REALLY HOLDS TRUE BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE PEAK DEMAND AND INDUSTRIAL FOLKS SAY WHAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T RUN MY PLANT WITHOUT THE WATER. UM, SO YOU DESIGNED FOR THAT PEAK DEMAND. IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO CONTROL WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF HOUSEHOLDS BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN WATER LESS. UM, INDUSTRIAL FOLKS ARE KIND OF LIKE, WE NEED 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO ORDER TO FACILITATE OPERATING. SO A LITTLE TRICKIER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE SHOULD EXPECT IF THIS IS IMPLEMENTED? AND THEN ONCE IT'S BEING MANAGED THE SYSTEM? OKAY. OH, THE, THE, THE SYSTEM IS, IS TO GET PEOPLE EDUCATED, BUT I FIND, UM, MOST PEOPLE, UM, LIKE THE SYSTEM, LIKE THEY'RE ELECTRICAL, THEY CAN GO ON AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE USING AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS. AND, UM, WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WE'RE THE ONLY PROVIDER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD SWITCH THE PROVIDER IF THEY WANTED AND SO FORTH. UM, THAT'S WHY OUR JOB IS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE BEST QUALITY AT A, AT A PRICE THAT'S REASONABLE. I GUESS I MEANT SYSTEM CHALLENGES. WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM CHALLENGES SHOULD WE EXPECT WHILE IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED? WELL, THE INSTALLATION OF ALL THE METERS AND THE EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE IT'S MANUAL, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO IN, UH, THE METERS ARE KIND OF TWO AND WE'LL BRING ONE IN FOR, FOR YOUR, PROBABLY FOR THE C. UM, I HAD ONE WHERE IT WAS MILLED OUT. SO YOU COULD SEE THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE THE METER IS KIND OF THE HARD PART. IS THAT ON WHAT YOU WOULD SAY? THE BRASS PART, YOU LOOK AT IT AND INHERIT HAS COMPONENTS THAT SPAN MANUALLY AND ON TOP [00:30:01] WAS WHAT'S CALLED THE REGISTER. IT'S THE ELECTRONIC COMPONENT. THAT'S USUALLY THE PART THAT YOU SEE SPINNING, BUT NOW THEY ACTUALLY HAVE DIGITAL METERS. SO IT'S THINK OF IT AS YOUR CAR. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR CAR AND YOU SEE THE MILES SPINNING UP WITH A WATER METERS NOW THE SAME WAY, THEY'RE ALL DIGITAL. AND THEN THAT INFORMATION YOU CAN GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT. AND THEN THAT INFORMATION IS LITERALLY SENT BACK INTO A DATABASE AND TRACKED, UM, BASICALLY DEPENDING ON THE REGISTER, WHICH IS THE DEVICE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE INFORMATION AND ALSO SENDS IT, UM, MINUTE BY MINUTE. AND YOU CAN SEE, LITERALLY WE USED TO GIVE EXAMPLES OF, WE COULD SHOW SOMEONE'S HOUSE. WE USED TO SHOW COUNCIL SOMEONE'S HOUSE WHERE THE WATER METER CAME ON. THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEM CAME ON, LIKE AT 10 0 5 AND YOU WOULD SEE THE JUMP AT 10 0 6. AND THEN THE LINE WAS STAY STEADY FOR HOWEVER LONG, THE SPRINKLERS TO SOMEONE ON IT. AND IT WOULD JUMP BACK DOWN. AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO SHOW IF YOU SAW A JUMP AND IT NEVER GOES BACK TO ZERO, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT YOU'RE NOT USING ANY WATER. AND IF YOU GO BACK TO ZERO AND IF IT STAYS STEADY STATE, THAT INDICATES YOU HAVE A LEAK BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING BACK TO ZERO AND A HOMEOWNER CAN SEE THAT, THEY'LL SEE THAT, HEY, I'M, I'M STEADY STATE. WHY, WHAT, WHERE, WHAT, WHAT AM I USING? AND WE HAVE FOUND MANY LEAKS, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION YOU CAN SEND SOMEBODY SAYING, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CONSTANT WATER USE IS WHAT WE CALL IT. SO REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE THAT YOU SEE IS THE IMP YEAH, YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY. UM, THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE GETTING THE TOWERS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE SIGNALS ARE, ARE CAPTURED. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE IN A LINE OF SIGHT AND OTHER THINGS WILL BE, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TRICKY, BUT, UM, THERE'S SMART PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT SMARTER THAN I AM FOR SURE. SO I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING OUT LOUD JUST TO GET IT OUT THERE, AND THEN YOU CAN TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG. SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED LIKE HAVING THE, UM, TH THIS COULD ENABLE US TO NOT BUILD THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS AND IN THE LONG TERM BY REDUCING THE WATER USAGE. RIGHT. SO MY, MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I WANT YOU TO TELL ME, UM, I'M THINKING WRONG. CAUSE I'M JUST THINKING VERY SMALL. UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT WATER STORE AT WHILE YOU'VE GOT IT, OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO EVAPORATE. WHY WOULD WE NOT STORE IT BEFORE IT EVAPORATES? SO, SO A GOOD QUESTION. SO, UM, WATER HAS AN AGE CAUSE IT HAS CHLORINE RESIDUALS IN IT. AND A CLEARING POSITION WAS ONLY LASTS SO LONG. OKAY. AND IF YOU STORED FOR TOO LONG AND CORPUS HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THAT, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO TAKE SEVERAL STORAGE TANKS OFFLINE BECAUSE OF IT AND BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BOIL WATER NOTICE. SO IF SO, RIGHT, SO MOST, I THINK YOUR BOIL WATER NOTICE, I THINK HAPPENED BECAUSE OF PRESSURE JUST THERE'S LIKE FOUR WAYS YOU CAN GET A BOIL WATER. NOTICE ONE IS, WAS, IS LOW RESIDUALS, NOT BEING ABOVE 0.5 FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS LOW PRESSURE IF YOU'RE BELOW 20 PSI. AND THE REASON IS FOR THAT IS THAT, UM, GROUND WATER CAN SEEP IN WHEN THE PRESSURE IS TOO LOW INTO THE WATER LINE. IF THERE'S LEAKS ON YOUR COULD BE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CARS RUN OVER SPRINKLERS OR WHATEVER. AND THEN IF, IF THE PRESSURE DROPS OUT THE PRESSURE FROM THE GROUNDWATER, WHATEVER, IT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN, UH, THE PRESSURE INSIDE. AND THEN THE WATER CAN GO INTO THE LINE, WHICH IS NOT CLEAN WATER. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DO A BOIL WATER NOTICE ON LOW PRESSURE. UH, INFILTRATION IS IT'S CALLED INFILTRATION OF THE WATER SYSTEM. SO THAT'S A PRECAUTION. THE OTHER ONE IS RESIDUALS, OF COURSE. AND IF A WATER SITS TOO LONG IN A TANK OR A LINE OR ANYTHING ELSE, THE RESIDUALS DECAY WAY, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO SAY, AND THEN THEY GO BELOW THAT LEVEL. AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S PUTTING CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, IN A DANGEROUS SITUATION. SO, UM, YOU HAVE TO KEEP WATER MOVING AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE DEAD ENDS. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU TRY TO ALSO LOOP THE SYSTEM AND SAN GABRIEL WATERLINES. PERFECT EXAMPLE OF, OF LOOPING THE CITY SYSTEM IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT CIRCULATION OF WATER THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO KEEP IT MOVING. SO THERE'S A BALANCE OF HOW MUCH WATER YOU STORE TCQ REQUIRES 200 GALLONS PER CONNECTION FOR A COMBINATION OF ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS AND STORAGE TANKS. IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. SO SOMETIMES THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS NEEDED, MAINTAIN PRESSURE, NOT NECESSARY THE AMOUNT. OKAY. SO HE COULD HAVE THE ANSWER. SO THANK YOU. UM, YES. MA'AM I THINK CHRIS HAD A QUESTION. OH, SORRY. OH YES. THERE WAS, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF, UH, CHANGING OUT THE METERS. UH, IS IT MUCH LARGER THAN THE OTHER METERS? NO, IT'S, IT'S STILL FIT IN THE SAME, THE SAME BOX. LET'S SAY AT THE SAME AREA THAT [00:35:01] THE CURRENT METERS ARE AT. AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE METERS HERE. UM, SOME OF THE METERS ACTUALLY MAY BE ABLE TO USE LIKE, SO WITH THE AMR METER THAT'S INSTALLED, IT MIGHT BE JUST CHANGING OUT THE REGISTER, MEANING THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT PHYSICALLY TAKING THE METER OUT. YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE, THE MECHANISM ON A TOP. THAT'S READING IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AN ANTENNA, THAT'S CAN ONLY BE USED LOCALLY FOR A TRUCK DRIVING BY. MAYBE WE PUT THE UPDATED DIGITAL METER ON THAT. I WOULD CALL THE MECHANICAL DEVICE METER, THE BODY PART, AND IT'S JUST CHANGING OUT THE REGISTER. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT ON WHAT'S OUT THERE. WHAT TYPE OF METERS IS IT? IS IT A FULL METER CHANGE OR IS IT, UH, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE AGE, THE OLDER OF THE METER GETS THE MECHANISM INSIDE, START WEARING AND UH, PEOPLE REALIZE IT, BUT WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WEAR IT'S IN THE FAVOR OF THE CUSTOMER, UM, THEY GET KIND OF FREE WATER. SO AT SOME POINT YOU WANT TO CHANGE OUT BECAUSE THE IMPELLERS AND STUFF INSIDE WERE OUT AND, UM, THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO GIVE FREE WATER. SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO GO AND SEE SOME OF THE AGENTS, SOME OF THE METERS AND SO FORTH COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ALRIGHTY. UH, WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THE OTHER PROJECTS, UM, BECAUSE, UM, THOSE ARE ALSO IN, UM, NO, I GUESS REALLY NO DECISIONS STRICTLY SPEAKING TODAY, I GUESS. BUT, UM, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, I THINK, UM, FROM A STAFF POINT ARE KIND OF LOOKING FOR A GO NO-GO KIND OF, DID WE WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND NOT MOVE IT FORWARD KIND OF SITUATION. SO, UM, I THINK WE PROBABLY WANT A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE PARKS AND REC PROJECTS. UM, PERSONALLY ON THE MUNICIPAL PROJECTS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. DOES ANYBODY UP HERE HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I THINK WE'RE ALL JUST FOCUSED ON THE PARKS AND REC PROJECTS. SO DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK WITH ABOUT THOSE SPECIFICALLY OR JUST TRYING TO BE A MIXTURE OF MR. CUMMINS AND MS. AND THEN SO BETWEEN, BETWEEN FINANCE AND PARKS, I THINK IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO, WELL, LET MR. THOMAS DECIDE GOOD MORNING, MAUREEN BEGGAR COUNCIL MORNING MORNING GAVE US AN OVERVIEW ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UM, GO A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH TODAY WITH DIRECTION. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF IT AGAIN, UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT. YEAH. I W I WOULD NOT JUST REALLY ALLOW YOU ALL TO HAVE TIME TO, UH, UH, JUST TO THINK THROUGH ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS OPENLY AND TALK THROUGH THE, THE ISSUES. CAN I TAKE JUST A SECOND THOUGH, TO, UH, BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO GET OUT TO THE GOLF COURSE, BUT, UH, LARRY WARNER IS OUR NEW GENERAL MANAGER. AND I WANTED TO JUST TO INTRODUCE HIM, DO YOU MIND IF HE COMES UP AND JUST SAYS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIMSELF FOR A SECOND TO THE ELEVATOR SPEECH, SO THIS, SO TO SPEAK, WELCOME ABOARD MR. WARNER. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, MY NAME IS LARRY WE'RE. UM, JUST GOT YOUR LAST STARTED. LAST MONDAY, WE'D MET, UM, KIND OF GET MY FEET WET AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY CAME OUT. I WAS RAISED UP BORN AND RAISED IN TUCSON, ARIZONA, UH, JOINED THE MILITARY, GOT DROPPED OFF IN CALIFORNIA, AND NOW I'M HERE. UM, WIFE IS BEHIND ME BY ABOUT THREE MONTHS. SHE'LL BE COMING OUT. UM, I JUST REALLY GLAD TO BE HERE. I'VE MET A LOT OF FOLKS SO FAR, A LOT OF GREAT THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT GOLF COURSE. UH, PREDECESSOR DID A LOT OF GREAT THINGS ALREADY, SO, UH, REALLY GAVE ME SOMETHING TO, TO PICK UP THE BATON AND TAKE OFF WITH, AND, UH, SUPER GLAD TO BE HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. WELCOME TO LEANDER. THANK YOU. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH THIS MORNING? THAT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, THE SENIOR CENTER. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, UH, I DO WANT TO TAKE JUST A MOMENT. I KNOW A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, MS. SPAWN CELLAR, UM, HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE OLD, THE, UH, EXISTING SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, EXCUSE ME, SENIOR CENTER ON, ON BAGHDAD ROAD. UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT OR NOT, WHERE IT'S LOCATED. MOST OF YOU ARE. OKAY, GOOD. UM, IT DOES, AS, AS SHE MENTIONED, UH, CORRECTLY, IT DOES, UM, HOW'S THE, UH, MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM AND, UH, THE HEADSTART, THEY PREPARE THE MEALS THERE FOR THE HEADSTART. UH, SO THEY'RE SERVING APPROXIMATELY 200, UM, RESIDENTS, SENIOR RESIDENTS A DAY, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE HEADSTART, UH, CHILDREN WHO ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. THERE'S, UH, THREE PORTABLES THAT ARE NEXT DOOR. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING AND LEAVING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. UM, THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN ALL THE NEW PORTABLES THAT CAMACHO ELEMENTARY, UH, ALL THE ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL, ALTHOUGH UTILITIES AND WATER AND EVERYTHING ARE HOOKED UP, THEY'RE WAITING ON THE PLAYGROUND TO BE INSTALLED. UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY MOVING INTO THAT, THAT FACILITY, [00:40:01] THAT FACILITY, NEW FACILITY IN, UH, AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, UM, THAT LEAVES THE SMALL OLD 125 YEAR OLD BUILDING. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, TO ME PERSONALLY, IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO WHAT A TRUE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER IS AND SHOULD BE. UM, IT REALLY ONLY HOLDS JUST A FEW NUMBER OF PEOPLE IT'S VERY OPEN. UM, IT CAN BE, IT'S NOT VERY WELL LIT IN MY OPINION. UM, SO I KNOW SITTING ON, AS I SIT ON THE OH, WBC BOARD OPPORTUNITIES, BURN IT WAVES THE COUNTY. WE ALSO ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A, UH, A NEW ACTIVITY CENTER THAT CAN BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY. UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 300 PEOPLE ON OUR ROLE, UH, THAT WE SERVE IN SOME CAPACITY THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION, THROUGH TRIPS, FITNESS PROGRAMS, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO, UM, I, TO ME, I'M WANTING TO SHARE WAS OUR NEW ACTIVITY CENTER, SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE A MUCH MORE GREATER, UH, NUMBER OF OUR POPULATION AND MEET MORE NEEDS THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. SO, UM, THANK YOU. AND TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT ONE. THAT'S NOT A CITY FACILITY. IT IS NOT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. SO, UM, THERE SEEN SOME GAMES AND CARD GAMES AND DOMINOES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO REALLY ANYTHING ELSE. SO, RIGHT. SO CURRENTLY THE CITY IS AN OFFERING, UM, A PLACE FOR SENIORS TOGETHER. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO WHEN DO YOU THINK WE'LL HAVE AN ESTIMATE BACK OF WHAT THE SHORTFALL IS ON THE BUDGET FOR CONSTRUCTION IN OUR DISCUSSION LAST, LAST WEEK WITH PGL, THEY WERE, THEY WERE HOPING MAYBE AS EARLY AS TODAY, BUT SOMETIME THIS WEEK, FOR SURE. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOMETHING BACK IN THE NEXT, THIS WEEK. WOULD IT BE REASONABLE FOR US TO EXTEND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? UM, TO OUR SEPTEMBER 2ND COUNCIL MEETING? I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE PRUDENT SO WE KNOW WHAT THE APPROXIMATE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO COME IN. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE FACTOR FOR A LOT OF US IN HOW WE DETERMINE HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PARK CIPS. OKAY. SO, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD TALKED PRIVATELY, BEFORE YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN, YOU HAD SOME CREATIVE WAYS TO SORT OF FIND THE FUNDING TO MAKE UP, UM, WHATEVER THE SHORTFALL WAS. IS THAT STILL LOOKING AS LONG AS THE, THE SHORTFALL ISN'T OUTRAGEOUS, LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME FUNDING THERE THAT CAN BE SORT OF MANIPULATED AROUND TO GET THIS DONE. AND OFF THE BOOKS WE HAD, WE HAD RESERVED SOME PARKLAND DEDICATION DOLLARS, OF COURSE, QUITE A FEW OF THOSE ARE GOING TO OLD TOWN PART, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME, AND WE'VE GOT MORE COMING IN, UH, AS WELL DUE TO A LOT OF, UH, MULTI-FAMILY AND OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO USE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING LOT PARKING RECREATION OF PARKLAND, DEDICATION, FUNDS, EXCUSE ME. UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME TREE TREE MITIGATION FUNDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UH, WE HAVE, UH, A HEALTHY BALANCE ON OUR TREE MITIGATION FUNDING. SO A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPING, THE TREES, THE IRRIGATION, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN BE USED, UH, FOR THAT. AND WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING WELL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS USING TREATMENT, NEGATION MONEY. AND THEN, UM, UH, WE, WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, UH, THAT, THAT I APPLIED FOR, UH, FOR THE KITCHEN ITSELF, THE KITCHEN EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND, UH, WE HAD IT FOR OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS IN ANTICIPATION. AND, UH, BUT JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE WENT IN AND ENDED UP TURNING THAT BACK IN AND OUR DISCUSSION WITH MS. BARDWELL WITH THE COUNTY, THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THOSE DOLLARS IN A, IN AN IMMEDIATE NEED, BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SHE ASSURED ME THAT WE'D BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, NO GUARANTEES, BUT WE'D BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST WHEN WE REAPPLY AGAIN, IF WE DECIDE TO REAPPLY AGAIN, FOR SOME OF THOSE THOSE NEEDS, WHEN DOES THAT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY OPEN? USUALLY IT OPENS, IT'S USUALLY RIGHT AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR THROUGH ABOUT FEBRUARY. AND THEY'RE DUE, LIKE IN THE END OF FEBRUARY, 1ST OF MARCH, AND THEN THE AWARD WOULD COME. YEAH. USUALLY IT TOOK A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE WE WERE NOTIFIED. SO LIKE SUMMER. YEP. OKAY. HOW MUCH WAS THE AWARD? 150,000. WE REQUESTED A LOT MORE THAN THAT. I'LL, I'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU THOUGH. WE DID WITH THE SENIOR CENTER, I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, I WANT, I MEAN, I DEFINITELY WANT THIS PROJECT TO HAPPEN. I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE BANK DOING IT. UM, I DO THINK, AND I GUESS GOING TO CHRISTINE'S POINT OR THE MAYOR'S [00:45:01] POINT ABOUT BEING A LITTLE BIT, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MOVE SOME FUNDS AROUND, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SHAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF OFF THIS PROJECT. AND THEN WE ENDED UP NEEDING TO DO UPDATES TWO YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BUILD IT RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF MISSING PIECES HERE, AND IF WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT MONEY IS IN THE, IN THE SHORTAGE WE ARE, AND MAYBE SOME OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK WITHOUT SHORT CHANGING OR THE THINGS, OR SHORT-CHANGING THE SENIOR CENTER AT ALL. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME WORK TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN A HUNDRED PERCENT. YES. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE BUDGET. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PLANNED FOR 23 AND NOTHING IN 22. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION OR THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IF YOU GET THE BID THAT YOU NEED FROM THE COMPANY ABOUT WHAT OUR SHORTFALL IS, WOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT TO 22? YOU MAY. OKAY. UNLESS I MISSPOKE, MR. POWERS MIGHT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, BUT I HAVE THE SHORTFALL OR THE, WITH WHAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL OR KEY. RIGHT. SO, YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST SO I CAN SAY IT TOO, BECAUSE SO DIFFERENT COUNCIL THAT WAS HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO, IS THIS COUNCIL AT ALL? DID THEY WANT TO HEAR THE RESULTS OF THE FACILITIES? UM, THE FACILITIES REPORT THAT WAS COMING BACK IN NOVEMBER TO FIND OUT ABOUT, UM, THE NEED FOR FUTURE FACILITIES AND WHAT THAT CAN DO ONE AND TWO, ONCE WE GET THAT BACK, UM, IT WAS ONE OF THE PERSONS THAT'S THAT'S MOST INVOLVED WITH THE SENIOR CENTER WAS THE PERSON THAT AT FIRST BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF IT BEING IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAT WAS EASIER FOR THE SENIORS TO ACCESS. DO WE WANT TO HEAR THAT? OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST GO WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN? BECAUSE WHAT CAME ALONG WITH THAT, UM, WITH THE OTHER LOCATION WAS ALSO THE NEED FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND EXPANDED THEIR FACILITIES CURRENTLY, WHERE THAT WOULD BE. SO I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THAT TO SAY, IS THIS A DIRECTION THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO? SO THAT WAY WE CAN PUT THAT STUFF TO BED, OR THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCATION. CAUSE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ON THURSDAY, UM, RIGHT. THAT'S FAIR. SO MY 2 CENTS ON THIS PUBLIC WORKS, YOU CAN PUT PUBLIC WORKS ANYWHERE. IT'S, IT'S A LOT WITH SOME METAL BUILDINGS AND THEY PUT GRAVEL AND TRUCKS OUT THERE. IT'S PRETTY INDUSTRIAL TO EXPAND PUBLIC WORKS ONTO THE SITE THAT HAS ALREADY HAD ALL OF THE STUDIES DONE FOR THE SENIOR CENTER THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR FIVE PLUS YEARS, UM, TO THE, TO THE BETTER LOCATION FOR, I THINK THAT STILL SECONDARY TO THE BETTER LOCATION FOR THE ACTUAL SENIOR CENTER, IF IT COULD ACTUALLY GO THERE. SO, AS I WAS SAYING, THE PUBLIC WORKS EXPANSION WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO TURN THAT LAW INTO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. AND IT IS NOT CURRENTLY ZONED THAT WAY. UM, I DON'T THINK THOSE RESIDENTS RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO WANT THAT IN THEIR BACKYARD. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR THE CITY, UM, AS FOR MOVING IT, I THINK THAT WE ARE SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD THAT IT'S BEYOND EVEN HAVING A DISCUSSION ON, UM, THE FACILITIES STUDY IS GREAT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALREADY DOWN THIS ROAD AND I DON'T THINK THE FACILITY STUDY IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON A SENIOR CENTER. IT'S GOING TO HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR CITY OFFICES, THAT SORT OF THING. IF, IF WE THINK THE FACILITY STUDY IS GOING TO CHANGE BUILDING A SENIOR CENTER, THEN IT JUST THROWS THIS WHOLE PROJECT EVEN FURTHER OUT OF WHACK. I AGREE. I'D WANT TO GO WITH THE ORIGINAL LOCATION BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO SENIORS AND THEY SAID THAT THE OTHER LOCATION THAT WAS PROPOSED IS DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF WALKABILITY. SO THE LIBRARY, BUT THERE'S PARKING ISSUES, THEY BROUGHT UP. SO THERE'S PARKING ISSUES WITH THE MASON HOMESTEAD AND THE LIBRARY. SO JUST SOME FEEDBACK, I WOULD WANT IT TO GO TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION. WE'RE DISCUSSING MARK. I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WAS FROM WHAT I REMEMBER IS ALSO DISCUSSED IS WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, IT MAY BE CO-LOCATED THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE REC CENTER AND HAVE SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE WITH THAT EVEN, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME OTHER SHARED USES. I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. WASN'T THE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ROSS CAN SPEAK TO THAT OR, OR DAN WAS THE FACILITY STUDY GOING TO LOOK AT THAT? CAUSE I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS WELL. [00:50:01] THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE. COULD YOU DO EVEN MORE BASED ON OUR RATE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE DOING, AND THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF SENIORS THAT WOULD LIKE SOME ACCESS TO A WALKING TRAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU COULD DO THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AND SAVE SOME MONEY ON THE BUILDING DESIGN. WELL, I THINK THOUGHT ONE TO NOT UNDER BUILD ANYTHING, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUE ON EVERYTHING. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IF YOU DID A SENIOR CENTER AND IF YOU COULD DO A REC CENTER THAT HAD AQUATICS, SO THEN IF YOU COULD DO THE AQUA AEROBICS AND THOSE TYPE OF OTHER ACTIVITIES, KIND OF, DEPENDING ON THE AGE RANGE, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF US ARE GETTING CLOSER TO DOING IT THAN OTHERS. I THINK THAT THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS. IT WAS, IT WAS NOT TOO. IT WAS REALLY TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE MAXIMIZING WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THE SENIORS. I THINK THE TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. AND AT THIS POINT I WANT TO SEE THE FACILITY STUDY. I WANT TO GET A PLAN. I WANT TO GET SHOVELS IN THE DIRT AND GET THIS DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. LIKE, I JUST WANT IT TO STOP BEING A DISCUSSION ITEM. SO HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO PROCEED COUNSEL, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE ARE PROCEEDING AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. SORRY, THAT'S MY LITTLE SNAP. I AGREE. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT MONEY. I MEAN, THE VOTERS VOTED ON THIS FIVE PLUS YEARS AGO. WE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD. I AGREE. THE AQUATICS WOULD BE INTERESTING, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DECIDED THAT A YEAR AGO. SO THAT'S MY OPINION, THE FINANCING. AND THEN BEFORE ANY OF THIS STARTED, IT WAS ALREADY A MILLION BUCKS OVER BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WHAT STARTED THE DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH. SO I AGREED IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOON. IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THE RIGHT WAY AND SMART. AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING LIKE, IT WAS THE SAME REASON WHY WHEN, WHEN WE GO INTO THE NEXT THING REGARDING THE PARKS, IT WAS LIKE WHY THAT WAS HOLDING OFF. AND WHEN I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PERIOD, UM, IT'S, WE'VE COME TO THE POINT WHERE SOME THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN HERE. UM, I JUST, WHY GO, WHY GO FOR SOMETHING? JUST BECAUSE IT'S, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO DO THEIR DUE, TO DO THE RIGHT THING? THAT'S ALL, WAS THERE EVEN, UM, A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A REC CENTER AND THE SENIOR CENTER TOGETHER? WELL, AS I MENTIONED, THURSDAY NIGHT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SITE FOR THE REC CENTER AT THIS POINT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON PRETTY HEAVILY OVER THE NEXT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. OKAY. UM, BUT WE, WE, WE DID COME ACROSS IN ANOTHER FACILITY THAT NORTH RICHLAND HILLS JUST BASICALLY COMPLETED FAIRLY RECENTLY, UH, UH, A REC CENTER AND A SENIOR CENTER WITH SEPARATE ENTRANCES, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY ONE BUILDING. UM, I THINK IN A LOT OF WAYS, YES, THERE'S, THERE'S IN MY OPINION, UM, DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE HAPPENING IF THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, BUT HAPPENING QUICKLY. BUT, UM, UM, YEAH, ONCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AS I, SO THIS IS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE. I FEEL LIKE EVERY TIME WE START TO GET CLOSE TO HAVING THIS HAPPEN, SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP ANOTHER ISSUE, ANOTHER STUDY, WHATEVER. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP WAITING ON ONE MORE THING. AND THAT OPENS THE DOOR TO ONE MORE THING. LIKE I WANT THESE DISCUSSIONS TO HAPPEN NOW, GET IT DONE. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS COUNCIL LET'S BUILD ALL THREE AT SAN GABRIEL. YES. THERE, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITY TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT AT LEAST A REC CENTER. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SENIOR CENTER, BUT AT LEAST THE REC CENTER. SO, UM, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE. LET'S TALK ABOUT SAN GABRIEL. OKAY. UM, OKAY. THAT'S DEFINITELY IN, IN THIS YEAR'S, UM, CIP PROJECT. UH WE'VE. WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND INTO PLANNING, DESIGN, FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND MASTER PLANNING. SO, UM, THAT'S INCLUDED AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S INCLUDED, IT'S THE FOUR CLOVER OR THE, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE SIX CLOVER, THAT'D BE ADDITIONAL COST RATES. IT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PLANNING PROCESS, THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. SO, UM, WHILE I THINK WE LIKE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT, UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO ALL THE PLANNING WITH CITIZENS AND WE DO WITH OUR, UM, UH, OUR DESIGN TEAM, THE DESIGN FIRM THAT IS SELECTED EVENTUALLY, UM, THAT THAT'S CONDUCIVE ALONG WITH TYPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S STILL YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT I TH I LIKED IT FROM A STANDPOINT THAT YOU CAN, UM, BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF FIELDS IN A SMALLER AREA. SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, UM, WHAT THE DIRECTION IS GOING TO BE TO THE COMPANY THAT DOES THE MASTER PLAN, [00:55:01] AS FAR AS WHAT FIELDS YOU WANT, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE, OR DO THEY JUST COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS OR CORRECT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO OUT WITH AN RFQ FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE FIRMS TO SOLICIT, OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN ONCE THAT'S SELECTED AND APPROVED BY YOU, WE WILL THEN BEGIN THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. AND WE'LL LET, CERTAINLY YOU UTILIZE OUR PARKS AND RECREATION, BOARD PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF AND CITIZEN COMMENTS AS WELL, HOPE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, WORKSHOPS TO GATHER THAT INPUT AND THEN PULLED TOGETHER AT LEAST ONE, POSSIBLY TWO TYPES OF DESIGNS THAT WILL WORK REALLY WELL WITH THAT WHOLE SITE. UM, AND THEN BEGIN TO, YOU KNOW, HELP FOCUS IN ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY NECESSARY. IT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE A PHASED APPROACH AS WELL BECAUSE OF LIMITED DOLLARS, HONESTLY. SO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY BE PHASE ONE AND THEN PHASE TWO MIGHT BE IN FIVE YEARS OR THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING ON THOSE LINES. SO, UM, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE AND, AND, UH, EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE PLAN IN SORT OF MESSING PHILOSOPHY WITH THE SENIOR CENTERS. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE US DESIGN SOMETHING FOR THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE. AND A PHASED APPROACH IS OBVIOUSLY COMPLETELY FINE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE US CHANGE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RETROFIT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DECIDED TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY WITH THE PARK BECAUSE OF THE LAND. YEAH. GOOD POINT. YEAH. GREAT. I'M EXCITED TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD. AND THE, AND THE RIVER TRAIL IS A PART OF THAT SAME PROJECT. SO WE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE THERE HAND IN HAND, ESSENTIALLY. I HAVE ONE QUICK THING THERE TOO. ARE WE GOING TO SEE SOMETIMES LIKE, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SAY YOU GOTTA GO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, UM, WHICH WE ARE SAYING, YES, PLEASE GO PURSUE THIS. UM, ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE LAYOUT? ARE WE GOING TO, ARE WE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY SEE, WHAT'S COME UP WITH AS FAR AS HOW THE FIELDS LAID OUT AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ENCOMPASSED IN THE PARK BEFORE, LIKE, IS COUNCIL GOING TO HAVE A SAY AND, AND MAKING SURE WE'RE APPROVING THE PLAN? THAT'S ALL ABSOLUTELY LINKEDIN. YEAH. I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH LAKEWOOD, RIGHT? LIKE YOU HAVE A PLAN AND YOU BRING IT HERE AND COUNCIL PICKS IT APART AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, DO THIS, DO THAT. RIGHT. CORRECT. I THINK THAT HAPPENED AFTER, UM, COUNCIL MEETINGS STARTED BEING VIDEOED IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND SO THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A REFERENCE POINT THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH FOR THAT, LIKE 20 17, 20, EARLY, 2018. IT WAS A COOL PROCESS THAT I REMEMBER THAT. HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT DESIGN PROCESS TO TAKE FOR THAT PART. UH, ONCE WE SELECT THE, THE DESIGN WELL FROM, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S SAY IF, UM, APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET IS APPROVED AND THE PROJECT'S APPROVED THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WE HAVE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE. UM, WELL I THINK MR. POWERS MAY BE BETTER ANSWER THE BOND SALES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT A YEAR LET'S JUST SAY 12 MONTHS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, COUNCIL, LET ME, IF I CAN, I'D LIKE TO SHARE ONE MORE ABOUT THE RECREATION CENTER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THIS. YEAR'S, UH, I DID MAKE A MISTAKE THE OTHER NIGHT. WE, THE COUNCIL DID APPROVE BACK IN OCTOBER OF 20 18, 1 $0.8 MILLION FOR THE RECREATION RECREATION CENTER DESIGN. IT IS SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT IT'S NOT BEEN SPENT, SO I WAS SORT OF ACCURATE THERE, BUT, UM, I I'D SAID WE HAD NOT DRAWN DOWN ANY FUNDS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THAT. SO, UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S STILL THAT PROJECT, THAT REC CENTER PROJECT OUT THERE FOR HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THAT 1.8 MILLION THAT'S. WHOA, WE CAN'T REALLY SPEND THAT UNTIL WE HAVE A SITE, RIGHT? YES MA'AM. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. WERE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS RELATED TO THE CIP? UM, EITHER ON CURRENT OR ONGOING. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REC CENTER REALLY QUICKLY. UM, I'M CURIOUS ON ALL OF THE BOND FUNDS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED. WHEN'S THE EXPIRATION ON THAT? SORRY, THAT MIGHT BE A MR. POWERS QUESTION. MR. POWERS OR, OR, OR CITY ATTORNEY. SO IT WAS APPROVED FIVE YEARS AGO. A LITTLE BIT WAS ISSUED IN 2018. LIKE AT WHAT POINT DO THEY JUST EXPIRE AND WE HAVE TO PAY BACK WHAT WAS ALREADY TAKEN OUT OR W HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS IF WE NEVER GET THE LAND? SO, UH, THE CITY OF LANDERS CHARTER. SO THIS IS A CHARTER PROVISION CITY OF LANDERS CHARTER SAYS THAT, UM, VOTER APPROVED BONDS, BUT NOT ISSUED EXPIRE AFTER 10 YEARS. SO IF YOU, IF THE VOTERS APPROVE A BOND AND THE CITY DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT, THEN THAT AUTHORITY EXPIRES AFTER 10 [01:00:01] YEARS. IF YOU'VE ISSUED THE BONDS, UH, THEN YOU KEEP THE MONEY FOREVER. THE ONLY ISSUE YOU THEN HAVE ARE IRS REGULATIONS. AND, UM, WE'RE NOT IN THE INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THAT WOULD, UH, PENALIZE YOU. BUT SO THE EXPIRATION THAT IS FOR THOSE BONDS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED YET. SO THE BALANCE OF THE RECREATION CENTER, THAT $16.2 MILLION THAT HASN'T BEEN ISSUED IN 2026, THAT WOULD EXPIRE. AND THEN THE SAME GABRIEL BONDS, 11, $12 MILLION THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED, IF NOTHING HAPPENS ON THAT, THOSE WOULD EXPIRE IN 2026. SO YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE, SO WE STILL HAVE FIVE YEARS. YES, YES. BUT THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN BORROWED BOTH AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND NOT SPENT, AND THE 1.8 FOR THE RECREATION CENTER THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST STAYS IN THE, IN THE BANK ACCOUNT. GOTCHA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNSEL. ANYTHING ELSE ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, PROJECTS AND TIMELINE? YEAH. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE, UM, WATER PROJECTS IT'S ON W 32, UM, W 67 AND W 69. CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON THOSE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, IF IT'S OKAY. YES, I CAN. UM, BUT THERE'S A FEW MORE SLIDES TO GO THROUGH AND THAT'S ALL RIGHT. OH, THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD DISCUSSION GOING ON THERE, UM, AND NEEDED. SO, UM, SO, SO THE NEXT ONE, YEAH. SEE, SO HOPEFULLY A FEW MORE OF THESE SLIDES WE'LL ADDRESS SOME MORE, SOME MORE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. SO, UM, SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE LARGER REGIONAL CIP PROJECTS THAT WILL NEED ISSUANCE OF DEBT. UM, WE CAN DISCUSS ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, AS NEEDED AND, UM, AND ROBERT OF COURSE CAN DISCUSS THE MEANS AND METHODS FOR FUNDING THESE PROJECTS. BUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS SLIDE IS TO SHOW THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE THREE LARGE PROJECTS, UM, ONE FOR WATER, ONE FOR BASICALLY TRANSPORTATION AND ONE FOR WASTEWATER, BETTER, OUR REGIONAL AND IN CONCEPT. AND I ARE PRETTY LARGE IN FUNDING. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE, UM, WE'RE STANDING BY TO ADDRESS THEM. I JUST WANT YOU TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. UM, W 32, HOW FAR ARE WE IN THAT PHASE? I KNOW YOU HAD MET WITH, UM, KAREN BOND AND HAD SOME OTHER INFORMATION MAYBE TO SHARE ON THIS PROJECT WHERE WE ARE. SO THE, THE, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE AS YOU'RE RIGHT, IS STILL MOVING ALONG. UM, TH THEY HAVE THE DESIGN IT'S AT A HUNDRED PERCENT AND THERE IS A TIMELINE. I DON'T HAVE THAT ONE QUITE MEMORIZED YET, BUT, UM, IT'S AN UNDER REVIEW. I KNOW, UH, THE PARTNER CITIES HAVE BEEN MAKING COMMENTS ON IT, UM, TO INCLUDE THE, UM, UM, PART FOR THE COMMISSIONING OF THE SIDE PROJECT, UM, THE MANUAL FOR THE COMMISSIONING. AND, UM, I, I FEEL IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO UP FOR BID POSSIBLY THIS YEAR. UM, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. PLEASE. I CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK. YOU, I'M GOING TO I'LL, I'LL CERTAINLY BRING BACK THE INFORMATION. UM, MORE MIRACULOUSLY, I DID HAVE NOTES ON IT, UM, BUT IT WAS MORE ABOUT, UH, WHAT IT IS, AND THEN THE TYPE OF LOANS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TAKING, I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIMELINE RELATED TO THE ACTUAL MOVING IT MOVING AT FOR IT, SO, OKAY. I'LL I WILL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU ALL. OKAY. AND THEN, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE SLEDGE PROCESSING. YES. MA'AM. I KNOW IT'S NOT IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE, WE HAVE MORE FUNDING IN 2023 FOR THAT ONE. SO REALLY NOT IMMEDIATE IN 22. SO IS THAT THE, UM, WHICH ONE WERE YOU LOOKING AT? 69. YES, THAT'S THE SANDY CREEK, UH, SLEDGE PROCESSING. SO, UM, YES, THE, UH, 22, THE FIRST PART YOU'RE SEEING IS THE, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE THE DESIGN INSTRUCTION DESIGNED FOR THAT. UM, THEN THE ACTUAL PROJECT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, OCCURS IN, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, 20, 24, THAT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE, UM, PRETTY EXPENSIVE PROJECT, BUT WELL NEEDED SO WE CAN GET FULL CAPACITY AND THE DESIGN ALREADY STARTED FOR THAT. RIGHT. UH, I THINK THAT WE TOOK IS, UH, IS, UH, UH, SHE'S GONNA, SHE'S GONNA ANSWER. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, I THINK WE TOOK IT TO COUNCIL. YEAH. YEP. WE HAVE THE KICKOFF MEETING FOR THAT ON THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER [01:05:01] TO START DESIGN. THANK YOU. YES. SEE, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SUCH A GOOD STAFF, KEEP YOU ON TRACK. THANK YOU. SOMETHING SOME DAYS I NEED IT. WOULD SHE DO ME A FAVOR AND JUST GO AGAIN, THAT DEEP WATER INTAKE. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE YOU THINK TO COMPLETE THAT? UH, WELL, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, BASED ON THE SCHEDULE, UM, 20, 27 OR 2027 AND A HALF ISH IS THE, UM, KINDA THE LAST SCHEDULE THAT THEY KIND OF PUT OUT. OKAY. UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER THAT'S FOR SURE IS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, AS IT RELATED TO THE LARGER REGIONAL PROJECTS COST. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, KIND OF THE, UH, FUTURE AND HOW, HOW DO WE KIND OF MOVE FORWARD? BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, UM, SEVERAL PROJECTS, WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDING SOURCES. UM, YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT VOTER APPROVED FUNDING SOURCES AND, UM, THE TIMELINESS THAT'S NEEDED FOR USING THEM OR, OR MAKING DECISIONS WITH THEM. SO, UM, SO LET ME GO WITH THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY GROWS, OTHER TYPES OF FUNDING OR INCREASES IN DEBT MANAGEMENT OF DEBT WILL BE NEEDED. NOW, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN TEXAS. AND THEN I FOUND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE INTERESTING. UM, WE'RE ALSO THE FASTEST GROWING SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE AUSTIN, METRO AND ANDREW ISD NEEDS AT LEAST ONE NEW SCHOOL PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS, ACCORDING TO THE DISTRICT REPORT, WHY NOW THERE'S 4,000 STUDENTS ENROLLED IN A DISTRICT COULD ADD 10 TO 16,000 MORE THAN 10 YEARS. THEY ARE DOING A BOATER BOND FOR $770 MILLION THIS YEAR FOR THE, FOR THOSE SCHOOLS, WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY. AND FROM READING THE INFORMATION, THEY ACTUALLY STARTED AT 1.5 BILLION, WHICH IS THIS AN ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT. AND THEY GOT IT DOWN TO THIS AMOUNT. SOME OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER, UM, AS A CITY AND A COUNTY ARE BUILDING OUT IS THAT WE HAVE NORTH LINE 115 ACRES. THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT OUT. WE HAVE NUMEROUS DEVELOPMENTS, UM, SUCH AS THE 22 ACRE MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, 180 3 AND A 32 ACRE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE COUNCIL JUST APPROVED THIS PAST COUNCIL MEETING. UM, WE HAVE THE FIRST PHASE OF THE EXPANSION, THEY, THE HERO WAY FOR THE COUNTY. AND AS ALSO I'M READING IN THE, UH, IN THE NEWSPAPER, THE POSSIBILITY OF THE $17 MILLION SAMSUNG FACILITY IN TRAVIS COUNTY. SO MY POINT HERE IS THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER INDICATORS, OTHER THAN CITY POPULATION, UM, YOU'RE SEEING, UM, GROWTH THROUGHOUT BOTH COUNTIES AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL, UM, COMING TO THE CITY. SO, UM, THESE ARE INDICATIONS THAT, UH, THE AREA IS GROWING. THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND ROADS. TRAP IS SIGNALS ALONG WITH WATER SYSTEMS AND UPGRADE AND EXPAND THOSE SYSTEMS. AND AS I DESCRIBED BEFORE, UM, WE DO HAVE IMPACT FEES, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALL ENCOMPASSING. SO THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT, UM, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT MANAGING YOUR DEBT? IS IT VOTER? DO YOU HAVE IT EVERY THREE YEARS OR, OR SO FORTH BECAUSE MANY CITIES MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND I'M GOING TO LET ROBERT SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT BECAUSE HE'S MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT ON, ON MANAGING DEBT. UM, SO WHAT DO WE HAVE GOING ON? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE CITY FACILITY STUDY AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP ANY KATE, THE AMOUNT OF STAFFING AND SPACE NEEDED FOR STAFF TO SUPPORT THIS FUTURE GROWTH. MEANING WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE PEOPLE TO MANAGE ALL THIS GROWTH AND THE INTERACTION WITH THE COUNTIES. AND YOU ASKED YOU WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT INTERACTION WITH TXDOT ON HOW WE CONTROL TRAFFIC, ET CETERA, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, WE'RE WORKING ON A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE STUDY, WHICH WILL BE DONE IN APRIL THAT COULD BE USED TO SUPPORT FUNDING OF FUTURE ROADS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S LIMITED, UM, BASED ON, UM, THE CHAPTER 3 95, AND SPECIFICALLY THAT CHAPTER SAYS, UM, ITEM IS NOT PAYABLE BY A FEE IMPACT FEES, OR MAY NOT BE ADOPTED OR USED TO PAY FOR ARE UPGRADING, UPDATING, EXPANDING, OR REPLACING EXISTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO SERVE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS IN ORDER TO MEET STRICTER SAFETY EFFICIENCY, OR ENVIRONMENTAL OR REGULATORY STANDARDS THAT ALSO THE IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE USED FOR UPGRADING, UPDATING, OR EXPANDING OR REPLACING EXISTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS. SO THAT DOES LIMIT THE, WHAT IMPACT FEES CAN BE USED. UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE WATER [01:10:01] AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE STUDY. AND SO WE DO HAVE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE STUDY BEING UPDATED RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, ROAD IMPACT FEE STUDY BEING DONE. SO THOSE WOULD BE SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT, I WOULD SAY THE EXPANSION OF UTILITIES, BUT NOT THE EXISTING UTILITIES, MEANING KEEPING EXISTING UTILITIES UP TO SPEED UPGRADED, UM, WITH NEWER TECHNOLOGY AS THE CITY, UM, MATURES IN FUTURE YEARS. SO FOR ME, BOTTOM LINE IS A FUNDING SOURCES, OTHER THAN IMPACT FEES MAY BE NEEDED TO PRESERVE EXISTING, PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, UM, PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS FOR, WE HAVE VARIOUS IMPACT FEES THEN, BUT AS A COUNCIL DOES DISGUSTING HOW KIND OF LIKE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND COUNTIES AND OTHERS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GO ABOUT, UM, MAINTAINING FACILITIES IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT TYPE OF DEBT OR FUNDING DEBT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO USE FOR THAT? SO MORE OF THIS IS MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT, UM, AS PART OF THE MOVE FORWARD. AND IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS, UM, BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE PLEASE ADDRESS. BUT, UM, I'M GOING TO PROBABLY LEAN ON ROBERT A WHOLE LOT. COUNSEL, I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION AND THEN I'LL, I'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE. SURE. UM, THE SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY PHASE THREE, CAN YOU, UM, EXPLAIN THAT, THAT ONE IT'S UNDER TRANSPORTATION AND IT'S, UM, T 46. SO, UH, SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY IS, IS KIND OF THE SAME AS THE WATERLINE AND, UM, IT'S CONNECTING, UM, ROAD, INTERNET, UM, FROM, AND, AND I THINK, UM, ROSS CAN TELL ME THE EXACT, UH, ROADS. UM, I FEEL LIKE I KNOW A LOT, BUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, I STILL DON'T QUITE HAVE ALL THE NAMES QUITE DOWN YET. AND SO ROSS, IF YOU COULD, UH, OKAY. SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY HAS BEEN UNDER WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN THREE DIFFERENT PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE IS RIGHT ADJACENT BETWEEN PALMIERO BLUFF AND PALMER OR RIDGE PHASE TWO IS SUPPOSED TO GO EAST FROM THERE TO RONALD REAGAN. THOSE PLANS ARE JUST ABOUT COMPLETELY DONE. AND THEN PHASE THREE IS GOING TO GO FROM THE EXISTING PHASE ONE ALL THE WAY OVER TO COUNTY ROAD, TWO 70. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT A WATERLINE WORKING AT THE SAME TIME. GOT IT. THANK YOU AGAIN, THAT GOES TO, UM, INTERCONNECTING, UM, THE CITY, UM, THROUGH, UM, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC PLANS, ET CETERA. SO, UM, I THINK I'M ON MY, YES. SO WE'RE ON THE LAST ONE. SO FOR US, THE NEXT STEP IS BASICALLY TO FINALIZE THE PROJECT LIST, UM, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS HERE TODAY. AND, UM, UM, OF COURSE, UH, YOU, YOU HAVE THE, UH, BINDER AT HAND, UH, TO, UH, OVER THE, I GUESS NEXT WEEK OR SO JOT DOWN NOTES AND, UH, SEND OUR WAY, UH, FOR QUESTIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED, UM, THEN, UM, ISSUE OF DEBT, CERTAINLY FOR THE REGIONAL PARTIES IS GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, AND THEN, UH, FOR ME PERSONALLY, UM, UH, THIS NEXT PART IS ISSUE ANY OTHER DEBT FOR CIP PROJECTS. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT, UM, MAY COME UP, UM, THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY FUNDED. AND IF WE SAY, UM, ROBERT AND I HAVE TALKED, SAY WE DO A DEBT ISSUANCE OF THE HERO WAY FOR THE 13. THAT MIGHT BE A TIME TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, HEY, LET'S ADD ON TWO OR THREE MORE PROJECTS AND THEN TAKE OUT THE DEBT SINCE WE'RE TAKING OUT DEBT ANYWAY. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADMINISTRATIVE EFFORT IN THAT. AND SO SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT, UM, I, I, I, AND, AND THE TEAM WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVE FORWARD IS, UH, T 16 AND 17, WHICH IS THE EAST STREET ROADWAY. UM, THAT WAS THE EXAMPLE THAT I SAID THAT THOSE WERE NOT FUNDED. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND BE FUNDED, UM, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ON HERE. AND IT KIND OF CAME UP RECENTLY, UM, EVEN FROM A STANDPOINT OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN IS THE REUSE OF WASTEWATER WATER, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND, UM, GINA AND HER TEAM WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT CAME UP WITH, UH, A GREAT IDEA OF ACTUALLY CREATING A FIELD STATION AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WHERE TRUCKS WOULD COME IN AND FILL UP AND USE THAT WATER FOR IRRIGATION DUST CONTROL, AND WE CAN CHARGE FOR IT. AND THEN, UM, THAT CAN EXPAND TO THE LINE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH NORTH LINE, BECAUSE NORTH LINE IS GOING TO BE USING REUSE WATER AND BUILD THAT LINE OUT THERE WILL THAT COMBINATION OF THAT FILL STATION AND THAT LINE, UM, RUNNING OUT [01:15:01] TO NORTH LINE, WHICH DAN ALSO MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE USED BY. OTHERS CAN TIE INTO THAT. WE USE WATER, UM, IS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. WELL, THAT'S AN UNFUNDED PROJECT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS OF COURSE THE DOWNTOWN FIRE IMPROVEMENT. UM, I INDICATED THAT WE INITIALLY PUT IT ON THE, UM, WATER IMPACT FEE, HOPING THAT, UH, BUT I, I READ TO YOU THAT IT CAN'T BE USED FOR EFFICIENCY OR EXPANSION. WE WERE HOPING IT WAS KIND OF EXPANDED AT DOWNTOWN AREA. UM, BUT AGAIN, SMARTER PEOPLE THAN ME SAID, AH, GOOD TRY. UM, BUT NO, UM, IT CAN'T BE USED FOR WATER IMPACT FEE. SO TECHNICALLY, UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE KIND OF USED ALL THE OTHER FUNDS UP. SO RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE EXCESS MONEY IN THE WATER IMPACT FEE OF ABOUT PROBABLY 5 MILLION, WHICH WILL CARRY OVER, UM, WE CAN'T USE IT FOR THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER UNFUNDED. SO IN THEORY, WE HAVE ABOUT $4 MILLION IN UNFUNDED PROJECTS FOR TRANSPORTATION, WATER, AND WASTEWATER, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD, UH, THREE PROJECTS TO ADD ON POSSIBLY TO THE, UM, UM, HERE, AWAY, UM, UH, BOND, IF YOU WANT TO SAY, OR DEBT. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THAT THERE, THAT THIRD ISSUE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY OTHER OTHER CIP PROJECTS, UM, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO MOVE ON FOR 2223. I HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS MIGHT BE A MR. POWERS QUESTION. HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE FROM ISSUING THE HERO WAY THAT, CAUSE I THOUGHT THE, UH, THE COUNTY WASN'T EVEN DOING ANYTHING LIKE PURCHASING THE LAND YET. I THINK THEY'RE STILL WAITING ON THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. SO, SO THE HERO WAY, UM, WE HAVE AN INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN ON IT. AND SO WHAT TALKS ABOUT THE DEBT AND THEY SENT US AN EMAIL BECAUSE, UM, UH, THE CITY MANAGER ASKED US THE SAME ZANE QUESTION, WHICH IS A GOOD QUESTION. AND HE INDICATED, UM, THAT, UM, THEY WANT TO TRY TO FACILITATE MOVING OR PUTTING OUT FOR BID AT THE END OF 2020 FOR THE FIRST PHASE. AND IF YOU LOOKED ON THE VIDEO, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD ONLINE VIDEO, AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT KIND OF THREE PHASES OR THEREABOUTS, UM, THE FIRST PART IS GOING TO BE THE, WHAT I CALL THE ACCESS ROAD OR THE FURNITURE ROAD. UM, SO THEY INITIALLY PUT THAT IN AND THEN THE NEXT PART IS TO PUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD IN, AND THEN THEY PUT THE CENTER IN. SO THE 20, THE END OF 20, 24, IF THEY, OF COURSE, IF THEY GET ALL THEIR RIGHT OF WAYS, ET CETERA, WHICHEVER THEY WANT TO START WORKING ON, LIKE RIGHT NOW, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO PUT THAT CONTRACT OUT FOR BID AT THE END OF 2024. YOU SAID THAT'S A VIDEO. LIKE THERE IS AN ONLINE VIDEO THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT WHOLE HERO WAY. HOW WOULD, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN HOW IT'S GOING? IT'S REALLY GOOD. IT WAS, UM, FOR PUBLIC PUBLIC, UM, UM, COMMENT, I GUESS I THINK IT'S STILL IN LINE. UM, YEAH, WE CAN SEND YOU THE LINK PLEASE. YES, THAT'D BE GREAT. SURE. DAN, WHY YOU'RE HERE? I MEAN, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE T 16, WHICH IS THE EAST STREET ROADWAY PROJECT AND THEN NO COUNCIL MEMBER SHOTS NOT HERE. AND HE WAS PART OF THE CIP COMMITTEE AND WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT I HAD HEARD OF W Y W WHY WERE THEY SUGGESTION OR WHY WAS IT SUGGESTED BY THE COMMITTEE TO HOLD OFF ON THAT FRONT? JUST SO WE KNOW HERE, UM, I'LL HAVE TO, UH, GO TO EITHER ROSS OR, OR, UH, ROBERT, I WASN'T, I ATTENDED, I THINK ONE COMMITTEE MEETING AND, AND WAS IT IN ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS EITHER, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, WHY IT'S BEING SUGGESTED, AND WE'RE SAYING WHERE'S YOUR FORWARD SPEND MORE MONEY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSENSUS FROM THE WHOLE, FROM THE COMMITTEE IS OKAY. AND SOME OF IT, UM, UM, ROSS MAY CORRECT ME, BUT IT MIGHT BE ALSO INNER GAUGING AT ENTER THE INTERSECTION SO THAT, UM, THE WHOLE THING WAS DONE ALL AT ONE TIME, WHICH WOULD BE A SMART MOVE TO TRY TO FIX IT BY TEARING UP THE INTERSECTION OR SO FORTH. BUT I'LL LET ROSS EXPLAIN IT. OKAY. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S 16. YEAH. 16 IS THE STREET ROADWAY PROJECT. AND THEN YOU'RE 17 THAT YOU WERE ALSO SUGGESTED INTERSECTION OR WEST SOUTH STREET, RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN UNDER DESIGNED FOR THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH AND WEST FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, BUT IN THE T UH, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, IT ALSO INCLUDED A T A CIP PROJECT FOR IMPROVING SOUTH STREET FROM THAT INTERSECTION BACK TO 180 3. AND SINCE ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING TOO CLOSE TOGETHER TO IGNORE THEM. SO WE DECIDED TO COMBINE THEM INTO ONE PROJECT. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO ENGINEERING FIRMS DESIGN THEM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. OKAY. MAKE SURE IT INTEGRATES PROPERLY. THIS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH EAST STREET, THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT ENTIRELY BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP, RIGHT. THAT THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT IT SHOULD [01:20:01] EAST STREET AT SUFFERED FROM VERY BAD SCOPE, CREEP AS TIME WENT ON, PEOPLE KEPT ADDING MORE THINGS TO IT UNTIL YOU ENDED UP FROM A MONTEREY ROADWAY PROJECT TO A MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING A BRIDGE, WHAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET SOMETHING GOING THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED WAS TO BUILD THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, WHICH WAS JUST THE ROADWAY FROM EVANS BACK DOWN TO 2243, ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE BRIDGE AT THIS TIME AND SAVE $5 MILLION. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THOUGHT THE CONSENSUS JUST WAS THAT I WAS HEARING WAS THIS, THAT WAS MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO BE SPENDING RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CONSISTENT IN YOUR THOUGHTS. WELL, THAT WAS WHAT SORT OF THREW ME TOO. CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A ROAD DIDN'T KNOW WHERE, I MEAN, I KNOW EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP OUT, BUT IT'S LIKE, THAT'S, I COULDN'T, THERE'S NOWHERE, BUT IT'S ALSO WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED THE INITIAL PROJECT, WHICH IS TO PUT IN PAVEMENT FROM EVANS BACK DOWN TO 2243, AND THEN LATER ON, IT WAS DECIDED TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE OR AWAY, WHICH INCLUDED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BRIDGE AND THEN A SURGERY RIGHT AWAY TO MAKE THAT FINAL CONNECTION. THE BIGGEST PART OF THE COST OF THAT WAS THE BRIDGE ITSELF. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE WANTING TO SEPARATE IN TWO PHASES SO THAT THE SECOND PHASE WITH A BRIDGE COULD BE BUILT LATER ON WHEN THE CITY NEEDED IT OR PROVIDED A GREATER, PROVIDED BETTER RESULTS FOR US AND JUST DO THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS VOTED ON IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW SPENDING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVEN'T ACCOUNTED FOR YET, WE'RE ASKING TO, TO BE SUPPLEMENTED WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR NET LIKE IN THE SIMPLEST WAY FOR, FOR ALL OF US TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE OLD TOWN AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF 180 3 AND PROVIDE ACCESS FOR THEM AND IMPROVE THEIR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, THEREBY DEVELOPING IT FOR FUTURE GROWTH, BECAUSE PRETTY WELL, MY OPINION IS THAT ONCE WE GET EAST STREET CONNECTED DOWN TO 2243, THAT CORNER WILL DEVELOP VERY QUICKLY. ROSS, I THOUGHT THAT YOU, ANOTHER DRIVING ISSUE TO DO IT WAS Y'ALL WERE GOING TO BE THE WATERLINE PROJECT. THERE WE GO. LET'S GET INTO THAT. THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S ALSO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME, UH, UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, UM, WATERLINE WASTEWATER, AND, UM, A DECOMMISSIONING OF A LIFT SEAT, LIKE REALLY OLD LIFT STATION IN THERE. SO, BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS, HEY, WE'RE MAKING A SUGGESTION THAT STAFF TO, WE THINK THIS SHOULD BE PUSHED FORWARD. AND IF IT WAS JUST LIKE TO PUT A ROAD IN, SO PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ACCESS RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE OTHER NEEDS WE HAVE, THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH DEAL. IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HELPING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY WATER ABOUT THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. SO I WISH AGAIN, I WISH COUNCILMAN MICHELLE WAS ABLE TO BE HERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT BECAUSE HE HE'S MORE INTIMATE ON THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. WE ARE GOING TO BE ABANDONING THAT LIFT STATION BECAUSE WE'RE CONNECTED TO AN EXISTING SEWER LINE UNDER THE CREEK. OKAY. SO THERE THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS ALL TIED INTO ONE BENEFIT AND ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS INCLUDED IN THIS. YES. OKAY. AND, AND AGAIN, UH, WORKSHOP, UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTIONS AND, UM, WE CAN TAKE THOSE ON BOARD AND, UM, AGAIN, UM, ADDRESS SOME, SO WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH SAID PROJECTS. UM, ALL RIGHT. I THINK THE LAST ONE IS, UH, HOPEFULLY WITH YOUR INPUT OVER A SET PERIOD OF TIME, WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO COMPLETE THE CIP BOOK WITH THE BUDGET OR THERE ABOUTS. AND, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, I, I, I HOPE WE, AND THE TEAM DID, UH, DID A GOOD, GOOD, AT LEAST A GOOD PRESENTATION AND PROVIDED, UH, A NEW FORMAT IN A WAY THAT'S, UM, AGAIN, SHOOTING FOR THAT READABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE, UM, CONCEPTS. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WAS VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. MAKE SURE. YES. ALL RIGHT. OH, BUT I GET TO STAY. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL. [3. Discuss current and future water conservation initiatives.] UH, THIS NEXT DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE ALSO FAIRLY INTENSIVE, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THIS, I DON'T THINK, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE THE BIG ITEM FOR THE MORNING, REALLY. UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR FIRST 15 MINUTE BREAK OF THE DAY. THE TIME IS 9 59, PLEASE BE IN YOUR SEATS AT 10 15. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 10:15 AM. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS CURRENT AND FUTURE WATER CONSERVATION INITIATIVES. MISS ALISON. GOOD. I WILL SAY GOOD EVENING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. UM, WE WANTED TO KICK THIS OFF KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CURRENT WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. UM, AS YOU, MOST OF YOU WERE HERE OR SOME OF YOU WERE HERE, UH, MARCH OF THIS YEAR, [01:25:01] WE UPDATED OUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN TO DO YEAR ROUND CONSERVATION. SO, UM, BARE MINIMUM IS TWO DAYS A WEEK, UM, FOR, FOR A RESIDENTIAL AND ONE A DAY, A WEEK, COMMERCIAL WATERING. SO, UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, EACH OF THE PHASES GOES UP AND REDUCES THE OUTDOOR WATERING. UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN PHASE TWO, WHICH IS ONE TIME A WEEK FOR ALL CUSTOMERS, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DOESN'T MATTER. AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SUBSEQUENT, WE START HITTING, UM, OTHER PHASES WHERE THERE'S NO OUTDOOR WATERING OR AN ESSENTIAL USE ONLY, UM, IN THAT UPDATE, WE ALSO SPREAD THE WATERING DAYS. SO WE USED TO DO EVENS AND ODDS. UM, THIS ONE DOES, UM, BY THE LAST DIGIT OF YOUR ADDRESS. SO IT KIND OF TRIES TO DISTRIBUTE IT OVER SIX DAYS A WEEK. UM, INSTEAD OF, I THINK IT WAS, UH, FOUR OR FIVE DAYS BEFORE. SO, AND THEN I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. I KNOW. UM, BUT WE, UM, THE JULY COMPARISON, I THREW IN SOME 2019 NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL GALLONS PER CONNECTION, UM, FROM 2019 TO 2020 WAS HIGHER. AND THEN WE'VE ALMOST DOWN TO HALF OF WHAT WE WERE IN 2021. SO, UM, NOW WE KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN A LOT COOLER AND A LOT RENIER IN JULY THAN IT WAS THE LAST YEAR. AND EVEN INTO AUGUST, WE'VE SEEN, UM, I THINK TO DATE IN AUGUST, 2020, THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED DEGREES, 99.9. AND WE'RE AT, LET'S SEE, 91.2. SO IT'S CONSIDERABLY COOLER THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR. BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF 95, 89, I MEAN, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT WARMER IN 2019. SO WE'VE STILL SEEN SOME REDUCTION BETWEEN 2019 AND 2021, YOU KNOW, WAS THIS 20, 20 KIND OF AN ANOMALY. BUT AS I MENTIONED ON THURSDAY, IT SHOWS US THAT WE'RE TARGETING THE RIGHT THING. UM, WE'RE TARGETING IRRIGATION AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR BIGGEST USER RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD ON KIND OF CURRENT CONSERVATION. AND I THINK DAN'S GONNA JUMP IN HERE WITH THE NEXT, IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS. SO THE, SO THE NEXT PART IS, UM, YEAH, WE HAVE A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, UM, AND WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE OUT THERE AND START EDUCATING THEM AND LETTING THEM KNOW, UM, THAT THERE ARE REBATES OUT THERE EVEN IF THE CITY ITSELF DOESN'T OFFER ANYONE ANY CURRENTLY. UM, SO ACTUALLY GINA STARTED LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS WEBSITES AND FOUND THIS LCRA, UM, SHEET FROM ONE OF THE OTHER CITIES AND ACTUALLY, UH, AROUND ROCK, UH, CEDAR PARK AND GEORGETOWN ALL USE LCRA. AND SO, UH, ROBERT, UM, CONTACTED DOWN AND IT MADE SURE THAT THIS CITY COULD DO IT. SO, SO WE NOW HAVE THIS ON OUR WEB, OUR WEBPAGE AS WELL, UM, THAT THE CITIZENS, UM, HERE IN LANDER CAN ALSO APPLY FOR THE LCR RESIDENTIAL REBATES. AND BASICALLY THE PROGRAM IS, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING UP TO $600 PER RESIDENT PROPERTY FOR IRRIGATION EVALUATIONS, RETROFITTING, OR REPLACING IRRIGATION SYSTEM EQUIPMENT, NEW POOL FILTERS COVERS AERIATION COMPOST, MULCH AND SOIL TESTING. UM, SO IT'S 50% OF THE TOTAL COSTS ARE UP TO $600 FOR VARIOUS THINGS AND THEY CAN GO ONLINE AND APPLY FOR THAT. SO, UM, SO RIGHT FROM THE GET GO, WE ALREADY HAVE A REBATE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT. SO WHAT ARE THE, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DOING WELL? UH, GEORGETOWN HAS, UM, SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL REBATES AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTO WATER CONSERVATION. UM, I WOULD SAY PRETTY HARD. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS SEEN IT, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE COMMERCIALS ON TV ABOUT NOT USING WATER. UM, IT'S A GREAT COMMERCIAL. THERE WAS A ONE ON LAST NIGHT AND IT HAS A, THERE'S TWO OF THEM. UH, BOTH PEOPLE ARE SITTING IN THE CHAIR IN HER BACKYARD RELAXING, AND THE COMMERCIAL GOES ON TO SAY, BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE RELAXING, LET YOUR LAWN RELAX. AND IF IT TURNS YELLOW IT'S OKAY. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A REALLY PRETTY GOOD COMMERCIAL. UM, BUT GEORGETOWN IS PUTTING THOSE OUT. UM, THAT SAID HE ENCOURAGES WATER CONSERVATION AND EVEN STAYED ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY BOLD ABOUT IT, BUT THEY SAY THEY HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO SERVE YOUR CUSTOMERS THROUGH 2043. HOWEVER, IF THE CUSTOMER SAW CONSERVE THEIR WATER SUPPLY CAN LAST PAST 20, 50, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL SEVEN YEARS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER THAT IF WE HAD WATER CONSERVATION AND IT COULD, YOU [01:30:01] KNOW, MOVE THAT PEAK DEMAND DOWN THAT COULD OF COURSE SPREAD OUT THE AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, OF WATER, UM, OVER YEARS. UM, AND AGAIN, DURING THE SUMMER, MORE THAN 75% OF THE CITY'S TREATED WATER IS USED FOR LAWN IRRIGATION. UH, THIS IS A WAY THIS IS WHY THERE, UM, WATER CONSERVATION EDUCATION IS SO IMPORTANT TO THEIR CITY IS BECAUSE DURING THE SUMMER THEY USE THAT MUCH WATER. UM, THEY'RE TREATED WATER. UM, THEY HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED AQUA ALERTS, UM, THAT CAN SAY SEND CUSTOMERS AN AUTOMATIC MESHES WHEN THE CITY USES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WARNING DURING THE MONTH. FOR INSTANCE, IF A CUSTOMER SENDS AN ALERT FOR 10,000 GALLONS A MONTH, THE CUSTOMER WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL AND WHEN THEY REACH THAT AMOUNT. SO, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THERE ARE 150 RITA, UM, DOLLAR REBATE, AS YOU SEE, IS IF THEY, UM, GET WITH, UH, UM, CHANGE THEIR SPRAY, DRIP THAT THEY CHANGED TO A SPRAY DRIP OR HOLD ZONE, UH, CONSERVATION MULTISTREAM NOZZLES, OR A WHOLE ZONE, UH, CONVERSION, I MEAN, AND THEN SMART CONTROL REPLACEMENT, MEANING REPLACING YOUR EXISTING CONTROLLER WITH THE WIFI EMBEDDED, UH, WHETHER THE CONTROLLER. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET NEW TECHNOLOGY TO GET PEOPLE TO USE, TO REDUCE THEIR, THE THING. SO RON ROCK, UM, WAS ANOTHER ONE. THEY HAVE SOME, UM, SEVERAL GOOD REBATES. UM, THE $500 ONE IS FOR, UM, IRRIGATION UPGRADES, UM, AND TO HAVE A CUSTOMER IRRIGATION SYSTEM CHECKED BY A LICENSE. UM, THIS IS FOR CUSTOMERS WITH EXISTING IRRIGATION SYSTEM. UM, THAT'S GOING TO INSTALL A NEW ONE THAT WE PROVIDES FOR WATER SENSE, CONTROLLER PRESSURE, REDUCING EQUIPMENT CONVERTS AREAS TO DRIP, WEATHER, SENSORS, AND SO FORTH. UM, THERE ARE $600. ONE IS IF THEY PURCHASE AND INSTALL WATER COLLECTION MATERIALS, THIS COULD BE, UM, RAINWATER OR AIR CONDITIONER CONDENSATE THAT THEY THEN REUSE FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR LAWN. UM, THE REBATE IS 50% PER GALLON OF STORAGE OR 50% OF, UM, MATERIAL PUMPS, PIPES, PADS, UM, WITH A MAXIMUM REBATE UP TO $600 PER WATER ACCOUNT. SO PRETTY INNOVATIVE, UM, CEDAR PARK. UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY, UM, BUT THEY RELY ON THE LCR REBATE PROGRAM. UM, BUT THEY ALSO RELY ON THEIR DIGITAL METER AND THAT'S, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS CAN SEE, UM, WHAT THEY'RE USING, IF THEY'RE ON TARGET, HOW MUCH THEY'VE CONSUMED. UM, CURRENTLY, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS ONE, IT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, UH, OOPS, I DID IT AGAIN, UM, CURRENT AND THEN USE, AND THEN THEY HAVE TARGETS WHERE YOU CAN FOR BILLING AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF, UH, INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THEIR CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH IS THE AMI, WHICH THAT'S THE AMI. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. AND SO, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IS, UM, FOR THEIR DIGITAL METERS, WHEN IT'S NEW, IS THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRACK WATER USAGE AND INVESTIGATE POSSIBLE LEAKS. UM, THEY HAVE MORE FREQUENT METER READING AS OPPOSED TO MONTHLY READINGS, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE A NECESSARY ADJUSTMENT SOONER TO REDUCE AND MANAGE YOUR WATER USAGE. AND I LIKE THIS ONE, THEY HAVE A VACATION ALERT OR ALERT WHEN THIS HAS OCCURRED AT YOUR HOME WHEN YOU'RE AWAY. UM, SO I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER ALERTS, DAILY USAGE ALERTS ESTABLISHED BUILDING CYCLE THRESHOLDS, UH, BILLING CYCLE USAGE ALERTS. SO THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THEIR SYSTEM CAN DO, AND THEY HAVE ON THEIR WEBSITE, UM, FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS TO BE ABLE TO READ THESE AND SAY, OH, I CAN DO THIS. UM, SO THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, CEDAR PARK HAS SEVERAL WEB PAGES WITH A BUNCH OF TIPS ON HOW TO MULCH, HOW TO WATER YOUR LAWN, HOW TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR, YOUR, UM, EQUIPMENT. AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT GO FORWARD. I'M GOING TO LOVE THIS. WELL, I, I DON'T, I I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO SEE IF SOMEONE'S SMARTER THAN ME. YOU SEE, WHOOPS, YOU'RE CRAZY WITH THAT. I LOVE THIS THING. I'M NOT GOING TO BE EVERYTHING. I'M NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO USE THAT. I AM. THAT WAS ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE WHAT DIRECTION I'M SEEING, WHAT DIRECTION THE BULLETS ARE COMING FROM. IF WE, IF WE CAN'T SHOW THIS, [01:35:01] I WANT WANTED TO SHOW THIS, UM, BECAUSE HEART.ORG WATER SAVING TIP OF THE WEEK THIS WEEK WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL IN CEDAR PARK. SINCE JUNE, IT WAS FOLLOWED BY A MONTH OF HOT DRY WEATHER WITH CEDAR PARK. NOW ALLOWING TWO OUTDOOR WATERING DAYS PER WEEK, THIS YEAR COMBINED WITH AN EVEN DRIER WEATHER PATTERN SO FAR THIS SUMMER, IT'S NO COINCIDENCE. WE'D SEEN JULY PRODUCTION AT OUR WATER PLANT AT LAKE TRAVIS GO UP 28% COMPARED WITH JULY OF LAST YEAR, ACCORDING TO LCRA WATER CONSERVATION COORDINATOR, BRETT BRYANT, IT'S DUE TO OUTDOOR IRRIGATION. AND THERE'S AN EASY THING YOU CAN DO TO HELP KEEP YOUR WATER USAGE AND YOUR BILL IN CHECK THE ISSUE OR COMPLAINT THAT I SEE A LOT IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER IS WE'VE WENT THROUGH SO MANY MONTHS WITH RAIN AND COOLER TEMPERATURES THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TO RELY ON AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL WATER TO ARROGATION SYSTEM. SO WE GET THAT FIRST HIGH BILL WHEN WE'VE RAN OUR SYSTEMS. AND I MEAN, IT'S A SHOCKER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NO WAY WE COULD USE THAT MUCH WATER. AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. SO ONE SIMPLE THING A HOMEOWNER CAN DO IS LOCATE THEIR WATER METER, RUN THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM, AND JUST SEE HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER WENT THROUGH THAT COMPLETE. EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION SYSTEM, YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING TO SEE HOW MUCH WATER YOU'RE USING WITH A HOSE AND SPRINKLER. REMEMBER IF YOU INCREASE YOUR OUTDOOR WATERING FROM ONCE TO TWICE PER WEEK, YOUR WATER CONSUMPTION WILL INCREASE AND LIKELY RESULT IN A HIGHER BILL FOR MORE WATER SAVING TIPS AND TOOLS, VISIT WATER THRIFT THEATER, PART.ORG. REMEMBER A LOT OF WATER GOES A WRONG WAY, AND WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR DESIGNATED WATERING DAYS, THINK TWICE, THANKS PETER BART. NOW YOU GOT TO GO TO THIS. YEAH. YES, I DO. SO, SO, UM, SO THE POINT THERE IS, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUTTING OUT AND EDUCATING, UM, THEIR CUSTOMERS AND YOU CAN GO ON THERE AND WATCH VARIOUS VIDEOS ON HOW TO, HOW DO YOU SEE THEM AND WHAT YOU SAW THERE, THE ACTUAL METER WOULD, THAT WAS THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE REGISTER. UM, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT SENDS OUT THE METER IS ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH, UM, THE, THE DIAL DEVICE. UM, SO I WILL TURN IT OVER NOW. AND IF THERE'S ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I, FOR THE CITY, I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON SONOS REBATES. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE FOR LCR, BUT FOR COUNCIL OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT. AND I KNOW, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, WE CAN DETERMINE THROUGH, UM, OUR BUDGET, OTHER THINGS, MAYBE WHAT, WHAT WE AS A CITY CAN DO TO FACILITATE, UM, THAT EDUCATIONAL PROCESS AND GETTING PEOPLE TO HOPEFULLY MAYBE UPGRADE THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS BECAUSE, UM, ALL THE CITIES, AS YOU CAN TELL, UM, THAT'S A LARGE ISSUE OR A LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER FOR ALL FIVE CITIES IN THE AREA TO INCLUDE LIBERTY HILL. IS THAT IRRIGATION, UM, PROCESS. SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. SO ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, HOW TO COMBAT THAT ON THE FRONT END WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS IN DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERYTHING NEW THAT'S COMING ONLINE SO THAT THERE AREN'T SUCH HEAVY IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS? UH, I, I, I'VE SEEN NODS BEHIND YOU. THE NEXT, THE PERSON UP IS GOING TO HAS, UM, SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE ON OUR ORDINANCE. AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LET HER COME UP MS. ROBIN AND TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU GO. I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE REBATE. CAUSE WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CITIZENS REACH OUT ABOUT THIS REBATE AND WANTING US TO MAKE IT MORE PUBLIC ON OUR WEBSITE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF IT. WE'LL HAVE THE, UM, UH, WORK ON THAT. LIKE, UM, I THINK, UH, RON ROCK HAS A BIG, OH ONE WHOLE WEBPAGE JUST FOR LCR. I READ THAT, BUT I CAN'T TAKE THAT'S A, THAT WAS GINA. AND, UM, ROBERT AND MIKE GETTING OUT ON BOARD AND GETTING THAT GOING SO GOOD ON THEM. CAN WE KIND OF COMMUNICATE THAT AND TWITTER, SOCIAL MEDIA, FACEBOOK WHERE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE SHARING. SO I PROMISE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP, PROBABLY IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR CIRCULATION TO GET UP AND DOWN THE SIDES IN ADDITION TO THE LCRA REBATE, UM, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY DO WHAT, UH, SOME OF OUR OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, GOING THROUGH SOME OF OUR PERMIT DATA TO IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL IRRIGATION SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING INSTALLED AT A LOT OF THE NEW SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENTS. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT, I DON'T [01:40:01] KNOW, PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT IRRIGATION SYSTEM TYPES. SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL A LOT OF THE DIY, UH, MULTIMEDIA THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE AND THEN ACTUALLY CONTACTING SOME OF THOSE, UM, UH, THE COMPANIES THAT MAKE THOSE SYSTEMS TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO ACTUALLY ADJUST THEIR SYSTEMS. WE DO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO THESE HOUSES HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO, UM, REALLY WORK THROUGH THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM PANELS AND ADJUST ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE. SO, AND IT'S, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT EASY. I'VE GOT ONE THAT I USE THROUGH AN APP, AND IT'S MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE INTO THE HOME, THEY WILL NEVER ADJUST IT. SO WHENEVER THE BUILDER SENDS IT OUT, MOST PEOPLE WOULD JUST LEAVE IT THERE. IT'S INTIMIDATING. IT'S LIKE DIALS AND BUTTONS AND THE MANUAL IS HUGE. SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT WHATEVER IT'S SET UP, EVEN AT WHAT, WHAT YOU SAW IN THE VIDEO OF SOMEONE GOING OUT TO THEIR WATER METER, KNOWING WHERE YOUR WATER METER IS, UM, BEING ABLE TO OPEN THE PANELS, UM, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE DIALS AND KNOW WHAT THOSE MEAN. I MEAN, THOSE ARE SIMPLE THINGS AND A HOMEOWNER DOESN'T KNOW EVERY LITTLE BIT IN DETAIL ABOUT THEIR HOUSE AND HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. IT'S SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE COMPLICATED. SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE LCRA REBATE PROGRAM, WE ARE LOOKING INTO GIVING THEM SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, PERSONAL INSTRUCTION ON AS BEST WE CAN REMOTELY, UH, WITH SOME OF THESE IRRIGATION PANELS. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD A PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE, LIKE WHAT WAS REFERENCED WITH ROUND ROCK, WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE LCRA REBATE INFO THERE, BUT ALSO INFORMATION FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO HOW TO USE THOSE WATER METERS, UM, IN GENERAL, UM, HOW TO SET THE IRRIGATION AND, UM, AND HOW TO DO THINGS LIKE START A RAIN BARREL AT THEIR HOME. AND IF THEY NEED TO FILE ANYTHING WITH THE CITY LINKS TO THAT. YEP. ROBIN WILL SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TOO, AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT OPTIONS THEY HAVE. SO AWESOME. THANK YOU. UM, ACTUALLY I WAS, I WAS, UM, WRONG IN THE NEXT WAS GOING TO BE ROBERT AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WATER RATES AND I THINK, UH, THE TIERED MYTHOLOGY AND SO FORTH, ROBERT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START A CHEER. WE WANT ROBIN , I'VE HEARD SIMILAR CHEERS THROUGHOUT MY CAREER HERE. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S IT. SO, UM, CURED RATES ALSO KNOWN AS CONSERVATION RATES HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. WE ASKED OUR WATER RATE CONSULTANT THIS PAST YEAR. UM, ONCE HE WAS, UH, WELL DURING THE PROCESS, BUT, UH, UH, ONCE HE WAS THROUGH WITH THE WATER RATE COST SER SERVICE ANALYSIS, ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT IS WHAT, UH, GIVEN THE CUSTOMER BASE AND THE USAGE BASE AND LEANDER, WHAT, UM, WHAT WOULD BE AN OPTION, NOT A RECOMMENDATION NECESSARILY, BUT AN OPTION. IF THE CITY OF LANDER WERE TO LOOK AT TIERED RATES AND WHAT THE CONSULTANT PRESENTED WAS A, UH, THANKFULLY A SIMPLE, UH, LOOK OF BREAKING A USAGE INTO THREE TIERS OR BLOCKS, UH, HE RECOMMENDED OR LOOKED AT WHAT A RATE MIGHT BE FOR ZERO TO 10,000 GALLONS AND THEN 15 OR 10 TO 25,000 GALLONS. AND THEN A 25,000 AND ABOVE. AND THIS IS FROM THE, THE RIGHTS STUDY. HE LOOKED AT A 12 MONTH AVERAGE, UH, USAGE. SO I WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS IS A YEAR ROUND AVERAGE, UM, CUSTOMERS THAT FELL INTO THE 10 TO 25,000 GALLONS A MONTH, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR REPRESENTED ABOUT 25% OF OUR CUSTOMER BASE. AND THOSE THAT AVERAGE 25,000 GALLONS AND ABOVE YEAR ROUND, WE'RE LESS THAN A 7%. UM, BUT I WANT TO STRESS THAT THAT WAS A YEAR ROUND AVERAGE. AND, UH, AS WE KNOW, UM, ONE OF OUR ISSUES IS PRIMARILY IN THE PEAK IN THE SUMMER. SO, UH, BUT IN THE ANALYSIS, IT'S OKAY IF YOU'RE USING WATER IN THIS AND THESE TIERS, WHAT'S THE RATE, OUR CURRENT RATE, IT'S $4 AND 91 CENTS PER THOUSAND, WHETHER YOU USE ONE GALLON OR WHETHER YOU USE A MILLION GALLONS FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, NON SENIOR CITIZENS, THEY GET A DISCOUNT, BUT SO IN HIS RECOMMENDATION OR SUGGESTED TIER STRUCTURE, THOSE THAT USE LESS THAN 10,000 GALLONS A MONTH WOULD ACTUALLY SEE A SMALL, UH, DECREASED TO $4 AND 55 CENTS PER THOUSAND. UH, THOSE THAT [01:45:01] ARE USING 10,000 AND ABOVE WHEN THEY HIT THAT THEY WOULD STILL GET THE $4 AND 55 CENTS FOR THE FIRST 10,000 GALLONS. EVERYONE WOULD GET THAT RIGHT AT THAT TIME. AND THEN IF YOU GO INTO THE NEXT BRACKET, IT GOES TO FIVE 80. AND THEN IF, IF YOU'RE IN THE 25,000 AND ACCOUNT, UH, AND ABOVE THEN YOU HIT A DIFFERENT BRACKET. UM, I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER CITY WEBSITES AND THOSE THAT DO HAVE TIERED RATES, UM, THOSE TIERS GO UP PRETTY DRAMATICALLY. UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT LEANDER HAS IS OUR FIRST TIER IS HIGH. SO, UM, BUT, UM, THE, UH, OTHER CITIES AROUND US, ONCE YOU GET INTO THOSE HIGHER TIERS, UH, THAT $7 MAY BE MODEST. UH, BUT THE PROBLEM CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS THAT THE, THE, UH, $4 AND 91 CENTS TO START WITH IS, IS HIGH COMPARED TO OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT AND WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT, AT OUR CUSTOMER BASE IS THAT, UM, UM, RATHER THAN LOOKING AT 10,000 GALLONS, IT WAS LOOKING AT 15,000 GALLONS. AND WHEN YOU GET INTO, UM, SETTING RATES AND DIFFERENTIATE, DIFFERENTIATING RATES, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO LOOK AT IS, WHAT'S YOUR GOAL? ARE WE LOOKING TO REDUCE CONSUMPTION YEAR ROUND, OR ARE WE LOOKING TO SHAVE SOME OR PEAKS? YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO REDUCE YOUR ROUND, THERE'S A FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THAT. UM, THE LESS WATER YOU SELL, THE LESS MONEY YOU MAKE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO SHAVE SOME OR PEAKS, YOU'RE SAVING MONEY ON THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, OR EX EXTENDING THE LIFE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S REACHING ITS CAPACITY. AND THAT WAS WHAT A LOT OF THE CIP ON THE UTILITY SIDE IS LOOKING AT. BUT THIS SLIDE LOOKS AT, UM, FIVE, FIVE MONTHS KIND OF IN THE, IN THE HEART OF THE SUMMER, UM, PEAKING SEASON, MAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER. AND WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT OF ALL THE CUSTOMERS IN MAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER USING 15,000 GALLONS OR MORE A MONTH, UM, TAKE THE AVERAGE 25% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE USING 50% OF THE WATER DURING THOSE FIVE MONTHS. SO, UM, THAT MEANS, UM, 75% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE USING LESS THAN 15,000 GALLONS A MONTH. UH, DURING THIS TIME, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE USING 25,000 GUY POUNDS OR MORE, AND THESE ARE, THESE CUSTOMERS WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN IN THE 20 AND THE 15,000, BUT IT'S EVEN MORE DRAMATIC TO ME IN THAT. UM, 10 TO 15% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE USING 30 TO 45% OF THE WATER IN THESE FIVE MONTHS. SO IT'S A THREE TO ONE, FOUR TO ONE RATIO. SO, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SHAVING PEAKS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE THE, THESE ARE THE ACCOUNTS THAT, UH, UM, YOU MIGHT GET THE MORE BANG FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR BUCK. THIS GRAPH SHOWS THE NUMBER, THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS, UH, RESIDENTIAL ONLY USING 15,000 GALLONS A MONTH YEAR ROUND. UH, THAT'S THE THAT'S THIS LINE OR THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS. SO IN FEBRUARY OR FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, ABOUT A THOUSAND ACCOUNTS OUT OF 23, 20 4,000 USED, UH, OVER 15,000 GALLONS A MONTH. AND, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, SLOWLY, IT INCREASED TO 2000 CUSTOMERS IN APRIL, AND THEN IT STARTS TO INCREASE IN MAY, UM, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, AND THEN IT, THEN IT DROPS DOWN. UM, THE AVERAGE USE IS OVER HERE. SO, UM, IT'S NOT A YEAR ROUND ISSUE, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THAT ARE, ARE USING, UM, MORE THAN 15,000 GALLONS. AND HERE ARE THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS USING 25,000 GALLONS OR MORE. [01:50:02] AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL WE WOULD PRESUME IRRIGATION IT PEAKS, AND THEN IT DROPS. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE UP HERE, WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY THREE TO 4,000 CUSTOMERS AND THEIR AVERAGE IS OVER 35 TO 40,000 GALLONS. THAT'S THE AVERAGE OF THOSE THREE TO 4,000 CUSTOMERS. SO IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RAMP UP PEAK. AND THEN, UM, REDUCTION, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES. UM, IS THERE ANY WAY, OR HAS IT BEEN DONE ALREADY A SPOT CHECK TO SEE IF THOSE PEAKS ARE PEOPLE WITH POOLS MAYBE, AND ALSO IRRIGATION, OR IS IT, WE JUST ASSUME THAT IT'S JUST IRRIGATION, I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE IF PEOPLE THAT HAVE POOLS, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE A BIGGER USAGE, OR IS THE AVERAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, INCLUDING ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. W WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, THAT KIND OF DATA READILY AVAILABLE. WE HAVE ANECDOTAL DATA AND, AND THE CUSTOMERS THAT, UH, THAT DO HAVE POOLS, UM, DO CALL SOMETIMES TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO FILL THEIR POOL IN THE WINTER, THEY DO CALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT TO AFFECT THEIR SEWER AVERAGE. BUT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE HARD CORE DATA ON POOLS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY, BUT AWESOME. UM, AND I THINK WE, I MAY HAVE ASKED THIS AT ONE POINT BEFORE, BUT I THINK THAT WE, WE MAY HAVE TRIED TO PULL THE NUMBER OF POOLS WE HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED. AND I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TOO. ONE THING IS BECAUSE OF THE BEDROCK HERE, I THINK PROPORTIONATELY, WE PROBABLY HAVE FEWER POOLS BASED ON THE AGE OF THE CITY AND NOW WHAT THE COST IS, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD DATA FOR US TO PULL. AND SO THAT WAY Y'ALL CAN KIND OF SEE IF THAT IS AN IMPACT OR IF IT'S AN OUTLIER. AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO PULL. THANK YOU. AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE COMING FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I WANT TO JUST BE CLEAR THAT THIS HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH MY, UH, MY FELLOW DEPARTMENTS, BUT, UM, THE, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSIDERATION IS TO IMPLEMENT SUMMER CONSERVATION BLOCKS, UM, MAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER. AND THE, AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION IS TWOFOLD. ONE IS, UM, IF WE, IF WE AGREE ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, AND IF THE, IF, AND IF THAT IS SUMMER PEAKS, THEN HIT, HIT THE SUMMER PEAKS. THE OTHER REASON, AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS A FINANCE RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, THIS WOULD AN IMPACT, A LOT FEWER CUSTOMERS, AND ACTUALLY, UM, 75% OF YOUR CUSTOMER BASE WOULD SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE IN, IN THEIR WATER RATES. NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DRAMATICALLY SIGNIFICANT THAT YOU WILL GET, THANK YOU LETTERS. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN IS BETTER THAN GOING UP. AND, UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT FOR A NUMBER FOR NUMBER ONE, THE SECOND ONE IS A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT TO THE, THE TIERS THAT THE RIGHT CONSULTANT MENTIONED STILL USING HIS, UH, RIGHT ANALYSIS OF THE DOLLARS PER THOUSAND GALLONS. BUT, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION AND FROM FINANCE, UH, AND UTILITY BILLING WOULD BE THAT, THAT FIRST BLOCK GO UP TO 15,000 GALLONS. YOU'LL GET A LOT MORE CUSTOMERS WHO BENEFIT FROM A SLIGHTLY SLIGHT DECREASE. AND, UM, THEN, THEN THE LAST RECOMMENDATION IS CURRENTLY THE SENIOR AND DISABLED PERSONS DISCOUNT IS 10%, 10%, UM, CREDIT DISCOUNT ACROSS THE BOARD ON, ON THEIR WATER, SEWER AND TRASH. UH, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S GREAT ON THE, ON THE WATER SIDE, THERE IS A MONTHLY CHARGE DOESN'T CHANGE, WHETHER YOU USE ZERO GALLONS OR A MILLION GALLONS, IT'S, IT'S YOUR MONTHLY BASE CHARGE, 37 35 FOR, FOR LEANDER. AND THEN YOU HAVE A VOLUME CHARGE AND THAT'S THE 4 91 PER THOUSAND GALLONS. UH, IT MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING TO, UH, DOUBLED THE BASE DISCOUNT FROM 10% TO 20%. SO YOU GET 20% OFF OF YOUR BASE CHARGE [01:55:01] AND THEN ELIMINATE YOUR VOLUME DISCOUNT. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THE BREAKEVEN IS AROUND SIX TO 7,000 GALLONS. SO IF YOU'RE A CUSTOMER, IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE USING LESS THAN 6,000 GALLONS A MONTH, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BIGGER DISCOUNT USING 20% OFF OF YOUR BASE. BUT IF YOU'RE A SENIOR USING 45,000 GALLONS A MONTH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT DISCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE USING 45,000 GALLONS A MONTH. SO AGAIN, UH, IF THE, IF THE INTENT BACK IN 2003 OR FOUR, WHENEVER THE SENIOR DISCOUNT WAS, WAS IMPOSED, WAS A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO, TO, UH, UH, SENIORS AND DISABLED PERSONS ON, ON MODERATE AND, AND MODEST FIXED INCOMES. THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT THAT WORKS IF YOU'RE USING 45,000 GALLONS A MONTH. SO, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S A, AN IDEA TO THROW OUT THERE THE, THE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE, BUT THAT'S MY PIECE OF THIS PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK IT'S ALL FANTASTIC. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS COUNCIL. WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO THAT? WELL, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ALWAYS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH CHANGE. AND, UM, SO WHENEVER WE WOULD MAKE A CHANGE IN RATES, THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS. UM, THERE, THERE COULD BE THINGS WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT CIRCUMSTANCES. WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT, UM, THE, IF WE DO GO TO A TIER SYSTEM, IF THAT'S GOING TO, IF WE, IF WE ARE, THEN I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T TAKE THE FIRST STEP OF DOING IT JUST DURING THE SUMMER, BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, WELL, THAT DIDN'T WORK, BUT NOT ENOUGH. AND LET'S GO 12 MONTHS. UM, I DON'T KNOW A DOWNSIDE TO THAT. THERE'D BE A LITTLE ADMINISTRATIVE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU GOTTA GO IN THE BACKGROUND ON YOUR SOFTWARE AND CHAIN AND, AND CHANGE THE RATES AT THAT GIVEN TIME. UM, AND SO, BUT CHANGE HAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO, AND THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO VET THIS WITH, WITH THE GROUP, HAVE MORE, WHAT IF CONVERSATION, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANY REASON WHY WE, WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT VETTED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND TO CONSIDER GOING TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. OKAY. WHAT ARE THE ADDITIONAL SYSTEM UPGRADES OR CHANGES IF ANY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? EVEN IF IT'S NOT JUST THE SUMMARY, IF IT WAS THE YEAR, THE PROCESS WE CHANGED THE COMPANY, UM, YOU JUST GO INTO YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR BILLING SOFTWARE CREATE A FEW MORE TABLES AND YEAH, SO WE DON'T NEED TO BUY A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM AND DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO, NO. AND WE WERE OKAY. THE ONLY THING I WOULD, AND I THINK ROBERT IS KIND OF SAYING THIS TOO, IS I THINK WE WOULD, I'D RECOMMEND DOING A HEAVY PUBLIC INFORMATION CAMPAIGN ON THE FRONT END ALL THROUGH LIKE JANUARY THROUGH, BEFORE SCHOOL GETS OUT BECAUSE INVARIABLY AND I THINK IT WILL BE ROBERT SHOP THAT WOULD GET THE CALLS FROM EVERYBODY I'D SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AND WHY IS MY BILL THIS MUCH? AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PREPARE FOR. SO THE NEW WEBSITE AND ALL THAT UPDATE, RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT ALL PLAYS TOGETHER. BUT NO, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH NEEDS TO BE PRETTY HUGE. YEAH. DO YOU KNOW BY CHANCE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF SENIORS, UM, ARE RECEIVING THE DISCOUNT COMPARED TO ALL THE, THE BILLS THAT Y'ALL PROCESS? ARE YOU SURE? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT IS A SEPARATE BILLING CATEGORY. SO I COULD, UH, LATER TODAY SEND THAT TO YOU. I JUST WONDER HOW SIGNIFICANT THAT THAT CHANGE WOULD BE. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. WHAT AGE IS QUALIFIES AS A SENIOR AND YOU TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, RIGHT? UH, SO, UH, SENIORS ARE 65 AND ABOVE AND, UH, PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. THERE'S NO AGE, UM, REQUIREMENT IT'S, UM, THE, BOTH FOR THE SENIOR AND THE DISABLED PERSON, THEY HAVE TO BE LISTED ON THE ACCOUNT. UM, AND, UM, WE DO REQUIRE, UH, SOME PROOF OF A DISABILITY LETTER EITHER, YOU KNOW, FROM VA OR THE, UM, [02:00:01] SOCIAL SECURITY, UM, TO VALIDATE THAT THAT'S, UH, I'LL DO THAT, THOSE STATISTICS TODAY AND GET THAT TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK IT'S FINALLY YOUR TURN, THIS GRIFFIN. GOOD MORNING. UM, SO MY, UH, MY TEAM AND I WORKED ON, UM, A TABLE THAT SHOWS ALL OF OUR REGULATIONS THAT WE FELT RELATED TO WATER CONSERVATION. UM, THE ITEMS IN BLACK ARE EXISTING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THE ITEMS IN RED ARE, UM, IDEAS WE HAD TO, UM, IMPROVE THE REGULATIONS. UM, SOMETHING THAT, UH, I THINK, UH, IS UNCLEAR IS WE HAVE A VESTING ISSUE. SO WHEN A SUBDIVISION COMES IN UNDER A CERTAIN SET OF REGULATIONS FOR LANDSCAPING, THEY CAN STICK WITH THOSE REGULATIONS. SO WE HAVE CASES WHERE WE'VE LIMITED TURF GRASS, BUT WE'RE JUST NOW SEEING APPLICATIONS AND HOMES THAT HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE STANDARDS. SO OLDER SUBDIVISIONS CAN COME IN AND DO A HUNDRED PERCENT TURF GRASS, ALL IRRIGATED EVERYTHING. SO WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO SEE THE BENEFITS I THINK, FOR THOSE SECTIONS. UM, SO ONE THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, CHANGING IS RIGHT NOW IN COMMERCIAL, THERE'S A LIMIT ON TURF GRASS THAT, UH, YOU'RE LIMITED TO 50% OF THE LANDSCAPE AREA. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THAT LIMIT TO SAY THAT, UM, THEY CAN'T HAVE TURF GRASS AND STRIPS THAT, UM, ARE LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE IN PARKING AREAS AND BETWEEN SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENT, THOSE ARE AREAS WHERE I THINK YOU SEE A LOT OF WASTE FOR WATER BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE SPRAYING ON A 10 FOOT STRIP, YOU'RE ALSO WATERING A LOT OF CONCRETE. UM, SO I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA AND IT IS SURPRISING, UM, HOW MANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS WANT TO PUT IN TURF GRASS? UM, CAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT CRUSHED GRANITE AND RIVER ROCK, BUT THERE IS SOME MAINTENANCE THAT COMES WITH THAT, LIKE KEEPING THE WEEDS OUT OF IT. UM, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE. AND THEN WHEN IT RAINS THAT WASHES AWAY MULCH BEDS AND CRUSHED GRANITE AREAS, WHAT THEY DID, UM, TURF GRASS, BUT DID SEE POSES UNDERNEATH BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S LATER IN MY LIST. UM, NO, NO, IT'S OKAY. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUIRING A DRIP IRRIGATION WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING, UM, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. SO NEWMAR SPRAY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? EXACTLY BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT WATERING THE CONCRETE. YEAH, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, I GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I WAS CHRIS, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IN RESIDENTIAL. YOU'LL SEE LIKE THE BROWN HOSES THAT ARE PUT DOWN BEFORE. UM, AND SO USUALLY YOU'LL SEE THAT OLDER HOMES MIGHT HAVE SPRINKLERS THAT GO ACROSS, BUT ANYTHING NEW IN THAT WE CALL IT JUST LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LANDING STRIP OR LIKE A NO MAN'S LAND. AND WHAT A LOT OF HOME BUYERS WILL WANT TO DO IS THEY'LL WANT TO REPLACE THAT IN A LOT OF CASES, TAKE IT OUT AND PUT ROCKS IN. SO AS THE REQUIRED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT WE WOULD JUST NOT HAVE GRASS IN RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO I WAS SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO COMMERCIAL FOR THE 10 FOOT STRIP AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T PROHIBIT TODAY, BUT WE ALSO DON'T REQUIRE IT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER IDEAS. IF YOU DID THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT'S A HIGHER COST TO THE DEVELOPER. UM, WHICH THAT'S THAT I GUESS THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IS WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR THEM? UM, THE OTHER ITEM WE WERE LOOKING AT IS LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL. UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER COME IN, IF IT'S INDIVIDUAL LOTS, YOU'RE HAVING TO PUT LANDSCAPING IN THE SIDE SETBACKS AND THE REAR SETBACKS WHERE MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BUFFERING FROM ANOTHER USE. SO, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE CITY OF ROUND ROCKS ORDINANCES, AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY DO WHERE YOU HAVE THE HIGHER COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS WHEN YOU'RE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO IF IT'S TOO COMMERCIAL NEXT TO EACH OTHER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT REQUIRING THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THERE, CAUSE YOU DON'T NEED TO, TO BUFFER FROM EACH OTHER. UM, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CALCULATING THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS OF AN OVERALL CENTER. SO I FEEL LIKE OVER CALIBER COLLISION IS THAT, UM, WHEN 83 AND CRYSTAL FALLS, THERE'S A CALCULATED BY PAD. SO IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE MADE MORE SENSE TO DO IT FOR THE WHOLE CENTER. SO IT'S JUST THAT PERIMETER PART OF THAT ISSUE IS HAVING, UM, THE DIFFERENT OWNERS WORK TOGETHER, UM, BECAUSE THE ONE IN THE CENTER WILL HAVE A LOWER REQUIREMENT, SO THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MASTER PLAN. UM, AND THE OTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS LIMITING, UH, LANDSCAPE AREA TO THE PERCENTAGE OF, UM, REQUIRED LANDSCAPE. SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE A, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, 15% OF YOUR SITE IS TO BE LANDSCAPED AREA. AND OUR CODE SAYS THAT NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE LANDSCAPE AREA CAN BE TURF. IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REST. SO WE KIND OF HAVE A LOOPHOLE AND AN INTERPRETATION ISSUE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEANING THAT UP TO WHERE IT'S LIMITED TO SPECIFICALLY THAT REQUIRED LANDSCAPE AREAS, THE ONLY AREA THAT COULD HAVE TO THE TURF GRASS. AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT DETENTION PONDS. [02:05:01] UM, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE TURF GRASS IN THEM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A VIABLE OPTION NOT TO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON IT'S KIND OF A DESIGN ISSUE. AND WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE NATIVE AND ADAPTIVE PLANTS FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. AND, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE PLOT ALONG COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS, AND WE REQUIRED THEM TO HAVE TWO TREES IN FOUR SHRUBS. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT AREA, ADDING A LANCE OR A TURF GRASS LIMIT TO THE AREA. SO WE DON'T GET AS MUCH GRASS. UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE'RE PROPOSING THE DRIP IRRIGATION WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. UM, I THINK ENGINEERING'S WORKING ON, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF RECLAIMED WATER PROGRAM. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AUTOMATIC, UH, CAR WASHES, REQUIRING THEM TO USE THE RECYCLED WATER SYSTEM. I THINK THAT'S ALREADY THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT, UM, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. AND, UM, FOR ENTRY LANDSCAPE, LOTS FOR SUBDIVISIONS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TURF GRASS THAT IS ALLOWED IN THOSE AREAS, UM, AND REQUIRING OTHER MATERIALS LIKE ROCK AND CRUSHED GRANITE. AND, UM, THAT IS IT FROM MY, MY LIST. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY IDEAS? I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT ROBIN. I MEAN THAT WE'RE TACKLING THE COMMERCIAL FIRST BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO HELP WATER CONSERVATION COMPLETELY. I MEAN MAYBE THE NEXT TIME WE'RE APPROVING THE BUDGET. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL KIND OF WINS THAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS. SO YOU THAT ARE ON, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE FOR THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TWO TREES IN THE FRONT DOOR, I MEAN SORT OF RELATED, BUT DO WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S EXISTING TREES ALREADY? YEAH. YOU GET CREDIT FOR THE EXISTING TREES. OKAY. AT LEAST TWO CALIPER INCHES. YEAH. OKAY. AND WE DID CHANGE HOW WE MEASURE THEM TOWARDS THE FOOT FROM THE GROUND INSTEAD OF THE FOUR FEET. SO I KNOW WE'VE BEEN USING, WHAT IS IT? THE AUSTIN GROW GUIDE FOR PLANTS. UM, BUT EVEN THOSE, YOU KNOW, TEND TO TAKE UP A LOT OF WATER. IS THERE LIKE ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, THIS IS IT LIKE ANOTHER TIER THAT THERE'S, THAT'S MORE, UM, RESILIENT AND LESS WATER HEAVY. I DON'T WANT TO SAY LIKE, JUST ZEROSCAPE EVERYTHING AND PUT IN CACTUS, BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MAYBE AN IN-BETWEEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GARDENING. WE USED TO HAVE A, UM, PREFERRED PLANT LIST FOR CITY AND WE STILL HAVE THAT AND IT WAS A NARROWER LIST. AND THEN WE OPENED IT UP TO THE GIRL GREEN GUIDE BECAUSE OF OUTCRY FROM THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED MORE OPTIONS. UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE DO ALLOW IS, UM, THE, THE ANNUALS TO BE PLANTED. THOSE ARE THE PRETTY COLORFUL PLANTS THAT DON'T GROW BACK ALL THE TIME. UM, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD CHANGED, BUT IT WAS ALSO SOMETHING WE HAD RESIDENTS BEGGING FOR, CAUSE THEY WANT THE PRETTY, THE PRETTY PLANTS. RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WILL DRIVE THE STREETS AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE PLANTS IN YOUR YARD. LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT HAS A CEO AND NEW ONES, YES. BRAND NEW ONES AT ONCE, CEOS WILL TELL THEM YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE, THOSE PLANTS. WE WILL ACTUALLY SPEND TIME TO HAVE TO GO DOWN AN INVOICE AND HAVE SOMEBODY GO DOWN A WHOLE INVOICE TO MAKE SURE THEY EXACT NUMBER OF PLANTS. AND IF THERE'S ONE EXTRA PLANT, WE WILL ACTUALLY TELL THEM THAT THEY WON'T GET THE CEO, UM, IS HOW SPECIFIC IT IS. SO, WHICH I THINK IS THE HOA JOB. AND WE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT HERE TOO, SO. WOW. YEAH. WELL, AND I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE OF, IT TAKES ALL OF THESE PIECES THAT WE'VE HEARD TOGETHER WORKING TOGETHER THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ONE THING OR ANOTHER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE PANSY IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO IT'S ALL THESE PIECES PLAY IN TOGETHER. AND IF SOMEBODY DOES CHOOSE TO HAVE MORE ANNUALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY PAY A HIGHER WATER BILL. I MEAN, RIGHT. AND THAT'S A CHOICE THAT THEY MAKE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DICTATE IT TO THE NTH DEGREE. WELL, I'M THINKING ON THESE, UM, ON THE, THE LARGE SETBACKS FROM THE ROAD FOR LIKE RESIDENTIAL, THE, THE GREEN LOTS, UM, MAYBE THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, PICKING MORE OF THE PREFERRED PLANTS LISTS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT WATER USE. LONG-TERM BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE ON LAKELINE, YOU CAN SEE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF IT RIGHT AROUND MASON HILLS. UM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S SO GREEN AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S JUST, UM, THAT'S JUST A DRAIN ON THE WATER SYSTEM WHENEVER WE GET INTO ONE OF THESE SUMMER PINCHES. AND SO MAYBE THAT'S A PLACE WHERE WE CAN LEAN MORE ON BEING, UM, HEAVIER RESILIENCY. I'VE SEEN WHERE, WHERE CITIES HAVE, UM, LIKE A CORRIDOR PLANT LIST. SO YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS WHERE IT'S LIMITED TO SPECIFIC TYPES OF PLANTS THAT COULD LOOK AT, LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE [02:10:01] THAT. SO VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. ALL OF THESE ADAPTATIONS, IS THAT OKAY FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT OR LIKE TOO PROBLEMATIC? I THINK A LOT OF THESE WILL BE. YEAH, FOR SURE. A LOT OF THESE WILL BE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO APPRECIATE LESS LANDSCAPING WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY. LIKE WHEN THEY'RE SCREENING FROM OTHER COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, I THINK THAT'LL BE A HUGE ONE FOR RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ISSUES. THE ONE THING ROBIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TO TOUCH ON THIS IS WHEN THE GRANDFATHERING WOULD COME IN, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS. SO IF SOME THINGS ARE ENTITLED UP TO A POINT, THEY TECHNICALLY WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THIS. SO WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME VOLUNTARY THINGS WE COULD SAY, HEY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. EVEN YOU CAN, EVEN WHAT YOU'D HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON TO ENCOURAGE, UH, SOME OF THOSE ALREADY GRANDFATHERED ENTITLED PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T DEVELOPED YET TO ACTUALLY ENTER SOME OF THE CONSERVATION METHODS VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE OTHERWISE MANY OF THEM ARE JUST GOING TO STICK WITH MAYBE TO MAKE IT SIMPLE STICK WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED. AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT OR PAGE CAMP. IF WE HAVE, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HASN'T STARTED THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, LIKE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CONCEPT PLAN YET. UM, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW STANDARDS, BUT THE, THE CONCEPT PLANS CONSIDERED TO BE THE FIRST APPLICATION IN A SERIES OF APPLICATIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT STARTS THEIR, THEIR VESTING DATE. IF WE WANT WITH A CORRIDOR PLANT LIST, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING ON AND WE KNEW IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT THEIR PLANS FOR THAT QUARTER YET. WOULD THAT QUARTER PLANT LIST APPLY TO THEM? DO YOU KNOW? SORRY, THAT MIGHT BE A PITCH. I TEND TO ASK SINCE IT WOULDN'T BE SPECIFIC TO THEIR ZONING, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PLANS. WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VESTED IN THE LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS IN GENERAL. SO IT JUST WOULD DEPEND ON IF THAT WAS THE FIRST PERMIT. OKAY. IN THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS OR NOT, IF IT WAS THE FIRST PERMIT, THEN THE NEW REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY. OKAY. AND THEN IF NOT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO DEAL WITH, AS CITY MANAGER WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE DEVELOPERS CAN ELECT TO BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW REGULATIONS. SO THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME BENEFITS TO THEM DOING SO INDEPENDENT OF ANY OTHER WAYS. THE CITY MAY WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO COMPLY INCENTIVE. THANK YOU. WELL, AND I THINK IT'S THINKING THROUGH, AGAIN, THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE WATER CONSERVATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK WE WANT A CITY THAT'S ALL RIVER ROCK AND SOME CACTUS, RIGHT. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME VARIATION TO CREATE THE BEAUTY IN THE CITY. AND SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GO DOWN THIS PATH AND ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL, IF THAT, IF THAT DOES HELP, BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING SOMEPLACE THAT NOBODY WANTS TO DRIVE THROUGH. CAUSE IT DOES. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL GRAY AND BROWN, RIGHT. SO YES, WE NEED TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO VET IT OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. AND I THINK THE EXPECTATION THOUGH, TOO, IF, EVEN IF Y'ALL ADOPTED THESE, YOU MIGHT NOT SEE SOME OF THAT HIT THE GROUND FOR TWO YEARS. YOU MIGHT BE THINKING, HEY, THIS NEW THINGS COMING IN IT'S, IT'S NOT MEETING THOSE NEW STANDARDS JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED. SO IF WE CAN DO I THINK A HYBRID APPROACH, LIKE MAYBE GET THEM TO DO SOME THINGS VOLUNTARILY. AND I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO SAY FEES, ROBERT, BUT ON OTHER THINGS WE COULD DO TO STREAMLINE THEIR PROCESS, TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO IT VOLUNTARILY. AND IT'S A COST THING TOO. I AGREE. BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY ARE GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT DOWN THE ROAD. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEGACY WHERE WE ARE LEAVING TO THE CITY, UM, IS STILL CREATING A BEAUTIFUL SPACE THAT PEOPLE WANT. YEAH. RAINWATER HARVESTING ALOUD. I'M SORRY, JUST AS LONG AS WE CAN STILL GO BACK TO THAT. OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN, IN ONE OF THESE SPACES, CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IRRIGATION, IRRIGATION, IRRIGATION, AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE YEARS BACK, LIKE WE DIDN'T BUILD THIS WORK, PUTTING IN ALL THE AIR AT THE SAME IRRIGATION THEY ARE NOW. IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS, IT WAS MANDATED THAT WE MADE EVERYBODY LANDSCAPE THE FULL LOT. RIGHT. WE MADE THEM THAT WAS A TCEQ ISSUE PROBABLY FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE, WE, AS A CITY SAID THAT YOU NEED TO, ANYTHING THAT'S TOUCHED OR DISTURBED NEEDS TO BE, NEEDS TO BE COVERED. AND IT'S EASIER FOR THE BUILDERS TO GO PUT THE GRASS IN AS SOON AS. SO WE USED TO HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY COULD KEEP THEIR BACKYARD AND NATURAL, RIGHT. AND THEY CAN CLOSE ON THEIR HOUSE, [02:15:01] GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, COME IN AND DO SOMETHING, A STANDARD OR CUSTOM IN THEIR BACKYARD. UM, AS SOON AS WE SAID, EVERYTHING HAD TO GET TOUCHED. ONE PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED WAS EVERYTHING. THE EASIEST THING IS TO PUT SOD IN, RIGHT. AND THEN SOD, THE BUILDER'S NOT GOING TO STAND THERE AND HOSE THE YARD UNTIL THE HOME CLOSES. THEY'RE GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY PUT IRRIGATION IN. SO THAT KIND OF CATAPULTED A LOT OF THESE THINGS. MY, MY, THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE HERE IS, UH, ON, ON THE COMMERCIAL STUFF. UM, THAT, THAT MAKES THAT'S A NO, THAT'S A NO BRAINER ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, ON LANDSCAPE, LOTS OF THE LAST IT'S A LIMIT TURF GRASS IS HALFWAY DOWN THE LIMIT TURF GAS TO 50% OF LANDSCAPE LOT. SO IS THAT WHAT WE WOULD SAY FOR, FOR A BUILDER COMING IN DOING, UH, DOING THEIR SUBDIVISION AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE OF ALL AREAS, 50 ONLY 50% OF THAT CAN BE, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS SPEAKING TO THE 10 FOOT LOT ADJACENT TO COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS, SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE BUILDER. YEAH. AND, UM, FOR THE DISSERVICE ZONE COMMENT, UM, OR FOR REVEGETATING, WE DID ADD THAT, THAT RULING THAT YOU ONLY DISTURBED FIVE FEET OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. SO IF THE REMAINDERS UNDISTURBED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO PUT IN TURF. THAT PROBLEM WE SAW WAS BUILDERS WERE SCRAPING THE WHOLE, WHOLE LOT AND IT WASN'T REQUIRED TO BE SCRAPED. AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN, UM, MORE ATTEMPTS TO NOT DO THAT, ESPECIALLY ON BIGGER LOT, CORRECT. LIKE THE ACREAGE SLOTS. UM, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO 10 FEET AROUND WHERE THE HOME GOES. THEY CAN'T DO THE ENTIRE LOT. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED TO REVEGETATION IT, UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE MAJORITY OF, LOTS OF WE'RE SEEING 40, 50 SIXTIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DEFAULT AND MOST BUILDERS WILL DO THE WHOLE THING ALL AT ONE TIME RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL LOT SCRAPING. SO, SO IS THAT ALSO TRUE ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT IRRIGATION, WHICH IS THREE, THREE SECTIONS DOWN? UH, IT SAYS LIMIT IRRIGATION TO DRIP IRRIGATION. IS THAT FOR JUST THAT CERTAIN YEAR WE WERE SAYING FOR RESIDENTIAL, ALL RESIDENTIAL AND ALL COMMERCIAL, AND WE HAVEN'T FULLY VETTED ALL THESE ITEMS. THESE ARE JUST IDEAS THAT WOULD WORK. WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE TO ME TOO. YEAH, ME TOO. AND WE HAVE REACHED OUT AND I HAVE, UM, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND AN ARBORIST THAT, UM, DOESN'T DO WORK IN THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO HELP. LIKE THEY'RE NOT AN APPLICANT. SO I FEEL LIKE THEY WOULDN'T BE BIASED TOWARDS ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HELP REVIEW, UM, OUR ORDINANCE AND COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. UM, ON THE, UM, RAINWATER HARVESTING, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SAYING ANY CHANGES THERE, BUT I WAS CURIOUS, IT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. BUT A PERMIT IS REQUIRED, NO FEE. UM, WHAT SORTS OF THINGS ARE THEY HAVING TO COMPLY WITH FOR THE PERMIT? SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY WHEN YOU GET INTO A CERTAIN SIZE. SO WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE REALLY BIG BARRELS, THEY HAVE TO BE SCREENED. THAT WAS THE BIGGEST ITEM THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED. AND THEN, UM, IT'S CONFIRMING THAT THERE ARE NO CONNECTIONS WITH OUR WATER SYSTEM, WHICH WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THERE TO BE. UM, BUT IT'S REALLY THE BIG ITEMS. SO IT COULDN'T BE IN THE CENTER OF YOUR FRONT YARD AND A GIANT BARREL IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MINOR ITEMS. OKAY. AND I CAN, I CAN PULL THAT AND SEND IT OUT TO Y'ALL IF YOU WANT, JUST TO SEE WHAT THE, THE RULES ARE FOR. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING A PAGE ON THE WEBSITE AND HAVING INFORMATION FOR CONSUMERS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ONE TO HAVE ON THERE. UM, AND JUST HERE'S THE REGULATIONS. THIS IS HOW EASY IT IS. CLICK HERE TO APPLY. WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, SOLAR PANELS. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT, I THINK, BUT WE COULD DO A WHOLE THING ABOUT IT. IT'D BE AWESOME. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SO THIS ITEM IS ONE OF OUR IMMEDIATE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT WE PUT AT THE TOP OF OUR LIST. SO WE'LL PROBABLY BE COMING FORWARD, UM, WITH MORE INFORMATION SOON, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. DISCUSS CAT. METRO. MR. NEW. OH, WE STILL, OH, SORRY. NO, WE DON'T SEE NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO GET UP AND SIT DOWN MR. NEW. WE STILL HAVE MS. SIGNS ON THIS ONE AND THEN ROBIN DOES GET TO COME BACK AGAIN. OH GOODNESS. SHE'S GETTING HER STEPS IN. YES. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT TWO SLIDES GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ABOUT THE CITY'S CCN AND SPECIFIC DETAIL. AND SO I'M GIVING YOU JUST SOME BACKGROUND, SOME LEGAL BACKGROUND IN SUPPORT OF THAT. UM, SO IN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WATER SERVICE, THE SERVICE AREA COMES INTO PLAY. AND SO THAT, THAT IS THE CITY'S CITY HAS A WATER CCN AND A WASTEWATER CCN. WE'LL FOCUS ON THE WATER. A CCN, A CCN STANDS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY. AND IT, IT GIVES THE UTILITY THAT HOLDS IT THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO PROVIDE WATER SERVICE WITHIN THE TERRITORY WITHIN THAT CCN. BUT IT ALSO OBLIGATES THE UTILITY TO PROVIDE, TO SERVE THE CUSTOMERS AND TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS AND ADEQUATE SERVICE WITHIN THAT CCN. AND THERE ARE VARIOUS STATUTES [02:20:01] AND CASE LAW THAT TELLS US WHAT THAT MEANS. UM, THE CITY DOESN'T NEED A CCN TO PROVIDE SERVICE UNLESS YOU'RE PROVIDING SERVICE WITHIN ANOTHER JURISDICTION, CCN YOU LANDER HAS A VERY LARGE CCN THAT EXTENDS BEYOND ITS CITY LIMITS AND IN SOME CASES BEYOND ITS ETJ. UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE, AND YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS THE MAP, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE CITY TOOK OVER THE SERVICE TERRITORY, THE CCN OF LANDER WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION A FEW DECADES AGO, UH, WHEN THE CITY WAS, WAS FIRST STARTING OUT, IT TOOK OVER THAT SERVICE TERRITORY AND THAT, THAT CCN, AND IT WAS A RURAL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION THAT HAD A LARGE BOUNDARY. THE CITY HAS ADDED ADDITIONAL LAND TO THE CCN OVER TIME TO MAKE THE CCN MATCH UP WITH, UH, TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, BOUNDARIES, SPECIFICALLY CITY LIMITS AND ETJ AREAS. YOU'VE ALSO RELEASED SOME, IN SOME CASES IN RELATION TO BOUNDARY AGREEMENTS. AND IN SOME CASES YOU'VE GOT SOME OVERLAP WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AGREEMENT. UM, PRIOR TO THAT CHANGES IN LAW THAT DID AWAY WITH MOST INVOLUNTARY ANNEXATION POWERS, CITIES WOULD OBTAIN A CCN WITHIN THEIR ETJ FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING THAT GROWTH AREA AND PREVENTING OTHER UTILITIES FROM SERVING WITHIN THOSE AREAS AND DISRUPTING THE CITY'S PLAN FOR GROWTH, BECAUSE THAT WAS YOUR GROWTH CORRIDOR. IF ANOTHER UTILITY CAME IN TO THAT, TO THAT AREA, THAT WOULD DISRUPT THE PLANS FOR SERVICE AND SOME OF THE FINANCIALS, THE PLANNING THAT HAD OCCURRED, BUT THE REMOVAL OF THEM, PAUL AND TERRY ANNEXATION AUTHORITY, AS WELL AS THE CITY'S RAPID GROWTH WITHIN THE LAST DECADE AND CHANGES TO DIFFERENT FINANCING MECHANISMS THAT DEVELOPER'S REQUESTS OF CITIES. THEY USED TO BE MUD, HEAVY MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT, AND THE CITY GENERALLY WANTED TO DISCOURAGE THOSE. UH, BUT YOU'VE GOT OTHER TOOLS AVAILABLE SUCH AS THREE EIGHTIES AND PIDS. THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS MAY CHANGE THE WAY THE CITY VIEWS ITSELF ECN, UM, AND CHANGING A CCN REQUIRES AN APPLICATION TO AN APPROVAL BY THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION. YOU GOT TO NOTIFY NEIGHBORING UTILITIES AND IN SOME CASES, LAND OWNERS AND CUSTOMERS OF THE APPLICATION, THOSE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBJECT TO THE PROCEEDINGS AND PARTICIPATE. IF THE, UH, SOA JUDGE ALLOWS THEM DISPUTED APPLICATIONS THAT ARE NOT RESOLVED AT THE PUC LEVEL, GO ON, GO UP TO THE STATE OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS AND THERE'S A, A FORMAL HEARING PROCESS. AND SO THOSE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS CAN TAKE YEARS TO DISPOSE OF DEPENDING ON HOW COMPLICATED OR CONTESTED THEY ARE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT AND WE KEEP ON OUR RADAR AS FAR AS THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SERVICE, BUT UNLIKE THE OTHER, UM, THE OTHER TOOLS YOU'RE LOOKING AT TO MANAGE WATER SERVICE, UH, THIS ONE IS ONE THAT IT'S TAKES A LONG TIME TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER IN YOUR PLANNING COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. SO ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK, WE HAD A FAIRLY PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH THE CIVIC CITY OF LIBERTY HILL. AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, OUR ETJ, THEIR CITY LIMITS, THEIR ETJ, OUR CCN, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THEM AND PROVIDE A PROPOSAL FOR AN AGREEMENT FOR THE BOUNDARIES, FOR THE ETJ YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS SOME OVERLAP, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 29. AND THERE ARE A FEW KINDS OF AWKWARD, UM, POCKETS THAT ARE OUR ETJ THAT ARE KIND OF SURROUNDED BY LIBERTY HILL. AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, UM, LOTS THAT ARE DIVIDED BY THE ETJ AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A MORE DEFINED LINE. UM, AND I BELIEVE ENGINEERING IS SUPPOSED TO ALSO BE WORKING WITH THEM ON CHANGES TO THE CCN CAUSE OUR CCM BOUNDARY EXTENDS INTO, UM, LIBERTY HILL, BUT WE WILL KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS. AND IF WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON PROPOSAL, WE'LL BRING IT TO THE, THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS THE, THE LAST, UH, SLIDE ABOUT, UH, WATER CONSERVATION. AND, UM, THESE ARE KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS, UM, FOR THE CCN PROCESS, BECAUSE THERE IS, IT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF OVEREXTENDED MAYBE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE AND OVERLAPPING. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD HELP, UM, WITH WHO HAS WHAT WATER, BUT STRICTLY SPEAKING WITH OTHER THE OTHER CITIES, UM, I WOULD SAY LIBERTY HILL AND GEORGETOWN AND LEANDER ARE PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX, SEVEN YEARS OR [02:25:01] IN SIMILAR SITUATION. SO MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, I WANT IT NOW. EVERYBODY'S LIKE, I DON'T WANT IT. SO, UM, UNTIL WE GET SOME MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOME OTHER WATER SOURCES THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON NOW. UM, SO WITH THAT, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE END OF THE WATER CONSERVATION? NOT UNLESS THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, ANYTHING, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THAT WAS FANTASTIC. UM, WE HAVE 44 MINUTES UNTIL WE BREAK FOR LUNCH, MR. NEW, WAS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR YOUR ITEM OR SHOULD WE TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF ORDER? ALL RIGHT. THEN WE ARE GOING [4. Discuss Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority.] TO MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSING CAP METRO WITH EASTERN NOON. GOOD MORNING, COUNSEL, MIKE, NEW PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. UM, THIS, THIS PRESENTATION I WANT TO RUN THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE DATA GATHERING WE'VE, WE'VE COLLECTED TO DATE. AND THEN, UM, KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE GATHERED AND MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT TO DO OVER THE NEXT, UM, FOUR TO SIX MONTHS. SO, UM, JUST QUICK OVERVIEW, WE ARE A MEMBER OF CITY, A SERVICE MEMBER, CITY OF CAPITAL METRO, UH, FIRST ELECTION THAT FORMED, UH, THE AUTHORITY WAS IN 1995. UM, OTHER THERE'VE BEEN OTHER ELECTIONS SINCE, UH, TWO OF THEM OF NOTE I'VE LISTED HERE, UH, IN THE YEAR 2000, WE ACTUALLY VOTED IN FAVOR TO CONTINUE SERVICE WITH CAPITAL METRO. AND THEN IN 2004, THAT WAS A KEY VOTE TO ACTUALLY BRING RAIL, UM, INTO LEANDER. SO BEFORE THAT TIME, IT WAS SIMPLY COMMUTER BUS. NOW WE HAVE BUS AND RAIL HERE IS A MAP OF THE SERVICE AREA. WHAT DOES IT SAY? 62% RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL NUMBERS? UM, CAUSE I'D HAVE TO FIND THAT NUMBER. UM, IN MY RESEARCH, I DID NOT PULL A VOTE NUMBER FOR THAT. SO, UM, I'M STILL LOOKING INTO WHAT THE ACTUAL VOTE COUNT WAS, UH, THAT WASN'T A, UM, A CITY OF LANDER NECESSARILY REFERENDUM. IT WASN'T ON OUR BALLOT, BUT IT WAS FOR THE SERVICE MEMBERS IN THE REGION. UM, I WILL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS CAUSE THIS WILL COME UP IS, UH, GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK AND PFLUGERVILLE, NOT PART OF THIS SERVICE AREA, BUT THEY ARE, UM, UH, CITIES THAT WE HAVE PULLED SOME INFORMATION FROM TO GET KIND OF A COMPARISON OF WHAT CAPITAL METRO IS DOING IN OUR REGION. UM, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ROUTES, UH, BASICALLY THERE ARE TWO PRIMARY ONES, METRO RAIL AND METRO EXPRESS. UH, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR, UM, GOING INTO THE MIDDLE OF AUSTIN UP AND DOWN, THEY DO GO NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND. AND THESE ARE, UM, SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE PULLED IS THE RIDERSHIP, NOT ONLY FOR THESE ROUTES, BUT ALSO FOR OUR PICKUP SERVICE. AND I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS CHANGE WAS COMING, BUT, UM, JUST EARLIER IN THIS MONTH, UM, CAPITAL METRO DID EXPAND SLIGHTLY THEIR PICK UP SERVICE ROUTE THERE ZONE WITHIN, WITHIN LEANDER. WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS CHANGE, BUT, UM, THEY DID INCLUDE, UH, HILLS AND I THINK SOUTH BROOK APARTMENTS ARE ALSO IN HERE. YOU'LL NOTICE THESE TWO ARE, OR SOME OF THEIR EXTENSIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL MAP, AS WELL AS, UH, SORT OF ELIMINATING THE MATHIS BECAUSE OF THE NORTHLAND CONSTRUCTION. UM, AGAIN, WE'LL PROBABLY BE DISCUSSING SOME OTHER THINGS BASED ON THIS INFORMATION WITH CAPITAL METRO. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RIGHT, UM, EXTENSIONS OF OUR, UH, PICKUP ZONE? ARE THERE OTHER AREAS MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER THAT MIGHT BE EFFICIENT? WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT WITH CAPITAL METRO BUT COUNCIL DIRECTION. UM, AND THIS IS PRIMARILY WHAT OUR DATA GATHERING TO DATE IS, IS FRAMED AROUND JULY 1ST, UM, COUNCIL, YOU GAVE US DIRECTION TO GO, UH, GATHER INFORMATION, UM, AND BASICALLY FOLK ON FOCUS ON THREE THINGS IN OUR, IN OUR MIND, THAT'S, UM, IDENTIFYING OUR CURRENT TRANSIT USE AND POSSIBLE NEEDS, UM, ANALYZE OUR LANDSCAPE IN THE REGION, COMPARE SERVICES, UM, AND THEN KIND OF REVIEW, UH, ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT, THAT COME FROM THAT. IF THERE'S, IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING ANYTHING DIFFERENT, UM, WE NEED TO REVIEW KIND OF WHAT OUR LEGAL FOOTPRINT LOOKS LIKE. SO HERE'S A, UH, A RECAP OF OUR SALES TAX CONTRIBUTIONS, ALLOCATIONS TO CAPITAL METRO TO DATE AND GOING ALL THE WAY BACK. I WOULD SAY 1986 SINCE, UH, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN A YEAR THAT FIRST YEAR TO GET ESTABLISHED. SO THUS FAR, UH, WE'VE ESTIMATED THAT WELL OVER 60 MILLION, UH, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE AUTHORITIES, FOUNDING WE'VE CONTRIBUTED, UH, OR AT LEAST SALES TAX REVENUE AND LEANDER HAS CONTRIBUTED TO, UM, CAPITAL METRO SERVICE. AND I DID HIGHLIGHT WHEN WE DID TAKE A VOTE ON RAIL AND WHEN RAIL SERVICE WAS ACTIVATED IN 2010, UM, THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, UM, THAT WE SUBMITTED TO CAPITOL METRO DIRECTLY IN JULY, UM, FOCUSED ON A FEW THINGS, UM, PARTICULARLY WE WANTED THE DATE ONBOARDINGS TRAIN, [02:30:01] BOARDINGS BUS, BOARDINGS PICKUP SERVICE, AND WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY PARATRANSIT ELIGIBLE RIDERS. UH, THAT'S KIND OF A STICKING POINT FOR FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING AND SOME OF OUR, UM, BASIC REQUIREMENTS NOW THAT WE ARE THROUGH CAP METRO PROVIDING PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE, UM, HERE IS A SORT OF A CONSOLIDATION OF, UH, THE BOARDINGS OUTLANDER STATION THAT CAPITAL METRO PROVIDED TO US. UM, YOU'LL SEE THE TOTALS DOWN HERE, COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE, THOSE ARE TOTAL NUMBERS. SO 567 WAS PROBABLY A HIGH POINT FOR COMBINATION OF EXPRESS ROUTES AND OUR RAIL SERVICE. THOSE ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL. SO ONE THING I'LL, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF PUT IN CONTEXT FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS THIS IS THE INFORMATION THEY GAVE US. WE HAVE NOT TEASED OUT THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THESE NUMBERS NECESSARILY MEAN. RIGHT. LET ME TELL YOU THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OF BOARDINGS. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL BOARDINGS. SO TYPICALLY NOT ALWAYS BECAUSE SOMETIMES ONE, ONE MAY BOARD AND THEN A LIGHT DOWN, DOWN IN AUSTIN AND THEN GET A RIDE HOME WITH SOMEONE ELSE CARPOOL. BUT TYPICALLY YOU COULD PROBABLY DIVIDE BY TWO FOR ROUND TRIPS OR SOME SLIGHTLY LOWER NUMBER THAN TIP. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BOARDINGS. SO THAT'S A ONE-WAY BOARDING DOWN. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING BACK AND THEN THEY'RE ALIGNING ON THE OTHER END. BUT USUALLY WHEN IT'S USUALLY WHEN IT'S ROUND TRIP DATA, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST SHOWING BOARDINGS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, SO MY POINT IS, IS WHEN WE SEE 400 OR 500, UH, IN THE TOTAL CALL UP THERE, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY 400 PEOPLE. THAT'S SEVERAL USERS THAT ARE USING IT 25 DAYS A MONTH. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE ACTIVE USERS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO A HIGHER NUMBER. UM, SO TH THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNIQUE USERS IS KIND OF WHAT IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THEM. MAYBE IT COULD BE LOWER, IT COULD BE LOWER, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GETTING THIS INFORMATION WAS SORT OF A FIRST STEP AND THEN TEASING OUT THE MEANING OF IT, AND MAYBE IDENTIFYING SOME, SOME WAYS TO STRATEGICALLY LOOK AT IT AT THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT FOLLOWS, UM, HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS. UM, SOME OF THE DATA FROM OUR PICKUP SERVICE, YOU HAVE MORE MONTHS THAN THIS. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JULY 20, 20 AND 21. YOU DO SEE AN INCREASE IN USE BECAUSE THE SERVICE HAS BEEN PRESENT, UH, FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, UH, IN LEANDRA. SO MORE PEOPLE ARE BECOMING AWARE OF, OF THE OFFERINGS. HERE'S THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM CAPITAL METRO AND PARATRANSIT. UM, AGAIN, UH, RICK, YOU COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THE MEETING, UH, MORE THAN I CAN THERE THERE'S I CAN SEE 22 CLIENTS, MAYBE THAT MEANS THERE'S 22 UNIQUE RIDERS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR PARATRANSIT SERVICE, AND ONLY, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE FIVE HAVE ACTUALLY USED IT IN THE PAST YEAR. UM, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF COME BACK TO CAPITAL METRO AND HAVE, UH, SOME DISCUSSION AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BETTER AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR US, IF WE DECIDE IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE TO, UM, IMPROVE THIS SERVICE, CHANGE IT, UH, HAVE IT SOMETHING THAT'S THAT BECOMES HYPER-LOCAL FOR LEANDER. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'LL WANT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. MIKE, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SAY ON PARATRANSIT IS YOU HAVE THE FTA LEGAL DEVIN DEFINITION OF, OF COMPLIMENTARY ADA PARATRANSIT WITHIN HALF MILE OF THE, UH, THREE-QUARTERS A MILE OF THE FIXED ROUTE BUS SERVICE. SO WE DEFINITELY, PROBABLY HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE TECHNICALLY IN THEIR SYSTEM IDENTIFIED AS PARATRANSIT, BUT THAT IS A DIFFERENT, UH, CLASSIFICATION COMPARED TO THE PICKUP SERVICE, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS, THAT IS ADA PARATRANSIT CAPABLE IN TERMS OF HAVING A LIFT AND EVERYTHING. SO THOSE NUANCED ITEMS SUCH AS IF YOU HAD TO SERVE ADA PARATRANSIT CLIENTS, X NUMBER OF YEARS LATER DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE DEFINITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DRILL DOWN INTO BETWEEN THE TIP. ABSOLUTELY. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE ASKED FOR IN A LOCAL AGREEMENTS, UM, SPECIFICALLY AGREEMENTS, NOT ONLY WITH, UH, OTHER MEMBER CITIES, BUT EVEN NON-MEMBER CITIES. SO WE PULLED AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN ABOUT PAYING CAPITAL METRO, ACTUALLY MAKING PAYMENTS FOR A PRO-RATA SHARE OF ITS SALES TAX, AS WELL AS THE INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR SERVICES TO, AGAIN, THESE NON-MEMBER CITIES, WHICH WE HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER ROUND ROCK GEORGETOWN PFLUGERVILLE, AND HOW TO IMBUED ARE ALSO NON-MEMBER. BUT, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY, UH, IS A MEMBER. UM, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN OUR PACKET, BUT WE DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN IN PARTICULAR, IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. UM, WE THOUGHT THE INFORMATION PULLED SO FAR WAS, WAS INTERESTING, AND SOMETHING FOR US TO, TO DRAW MAYBE CONSIDERATIONS FOR, FOR THE [02:35:01] FUTURE. UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT, CAPITAL METRO MAKES ANNUAL PAYMENTS TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. THESE PAYMENTS ARE ADJUSTED FROM A PREDETERMINED THRESHOLD AMOUNT THAT IS IN THE EXHIBIT SECTION OF THAT. ILET, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? COULD WE INITIATE SOME SIMILAR AGREEMENT ARRANGEMENT WITH CAPITAL METRO SO THAT WE CAN FUND AND SUPPLEMENT, UH, IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, UH, THAT CAPITAL METRO MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT COULD SUPPORT REGIONAL MOBILITY. UM, AND WHAT WOULD THOSE QUALIFYING PROJECTS BE? WE HAVE NOT ANALYZED THAT, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT HAS PRECEDENT ROUND ROCK ILA. THIS ONE WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING BECAUSE ROUND ROCK CONTRACTS FOR LOCAL FIXED RATE AND COMMUTER TRANSIT SERVICES, THEY'RE NOT A SERVICE MEMBER CITY, THEY DON'T PAY SALES TAX, THEY DON'T HAVE ALLOCATED SALES TAX CAPITAL METRO. THEY STRICTLY CONTRACT FOR THAT SERVICE AND CAPITAL METRO. ALSO, IT HAS AN MOU TO ALLOW THE CITY TO OFFSET ITS COSTS, UM, WITH FEDERAL GRANT FUNDS. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO REALLY DRILL DOWN AND COMPARE SERVICE RELATIONSHIP BY CONTRACT AND BY-ELECTION TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE BEST INTEREST FOR LEANDER AS FAR AS HOW WE WORK OUT SERVICE? AND IS THERE SOMETHING COMPARABLE WITH A SERVICE THAT STRICTLY BY CONTRACT? UH, CERTAINLY ROUND ROCK IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP THAT WORKS IN THAT WAY. UM, GEORGETOWN, THIS ONE WAS INTERESTING TOO, BECAUSE, UM, THEY DID IN 2017 IS HOW WAS YOUR CONTRACT WITH CAPITAL METRO FOR LOCAL FIXED ROUTE SERVICE, AS WELL AS PARATRANSIT THROUGH CARTS? THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, JUST THIS PAST MONTH, UM, THE STAFF HAD PRESENTED TO THEIR COUNCIL THAT THEY LOOK TO MAYBE NOT CONTINUE FIXED ROUTE BECAUSE OF LOW RIDERSHIP, UH, WHICH IS INTERESTING. UM, BUT THEY ALSO USE FEDERAL FUNDS TO PARTLY OFFSET THEIR COSTS, UH, AT, IS NOT SOMETHING WE DO. I KNOW, UH, RICK AND CAMERON HAVE THROUGHOUT THE PAST YEAR DISCUSS, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN THE NORTH LINE AREA FOR FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING AND MAYBE GETTING SUPPLEMENTS TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES. THAT IS, THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD. UM, BUT ANOTHER TAKEAWAY FROM THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT, UH, OTHER SERVICES IS, YOU KNOW, PARATRANSIT ONLY SERVE AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A MINIMAL SERVICE FOR LEANDRA MINIMAL TRANSIT OPTION FOR US. AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE THRESHOLD FOR US TO EVEN CONSIDER FIXED ROUTE LOCAL FIXED ROUTE, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT METRIC FOR US TO EVEN CONSIDER THAT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO FINANCE, UM, AND LASTLY, GRANT REQUESTS, UH, CAPITAL METRO ENGAGES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GRANT PROGRAMS AND OPTIONS TO OFFSET THEIR OWN COSTS, TO SUPPORT A LARGE SCALE AND SMALL SCALE PROJECTS. THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT GRANTS, UM, THAT WE REQUESTED ONCE THE 53 0 7 IS ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORING CITIES, ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN, UH, UTILIZED TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS. BUT ALL OF THESE OTHERS, UH, GO TO OFFSET CAPITAL METRO'S COSTS IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. SO I HAVE NOT, UM, NONE OF US HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO DIG THROUGH THOSE. WE, WE DID GET THOSE IN OUR, UH, RESPONSIVE REQUESTS, BUT GOING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR US, MIKE, ON THAT FIRST ITEM ON 53 0 7 LARGE URBAN. OKAY. SO THE LARGE, THE LARGE URBAN AREA, THAT'S THAT CAPITAL METRO COLLECTS ON THEY'RE THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT FOR THE REGION FOR THAT UCA WHAT'S, WHAT'S TERMED THE USE EA UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A MEMBER. HOWEVER, EVERYONE THAT LIVES WITHIN THAT CENSUS DESIGNATED URBANIZED AREA CREATES SOME TYPE OF REVENUE GENERATION THAT CAPITAL METRO UTILIZES AT LEAST ON THE POPULATION SIDE, THE FORMULA ITSELF IS POPULATION. AND THEN THE OTHER HALF THAT'S HALF OF IT, THE OTHER HALF HAS ROUTE MILES PLUS MILEAGE. SO ADMITTEDLY ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN FROM A POPULATION PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS CON THERE'S IN THE FORMULA, SOME CONTRIBUTION BASED ON POPULATION. THEY, THEY ARE NOT MEMBERS OF FOR SALES TAX PURPOSES. LIKE WE ARE. SO JUST TO KIND OF ESTABLISH THAT, BUT OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE REGION THAT AREN'T SERVED, THEY WOULD CREATE SOME OF THAT REVENUE STREAM AND THE LARGE UCA AS WELL. AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY SERVICE. SO JUST FOR THAT CONTEXT. SO THERE THERE'S, AND ALL THAT TO SAY, I THINK, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPARISONS WE CAN MAKE AND WAYS TO, TO KIND OF SLICE THIS UP AND HOW WE EVALUATE WHAT OUR FUTURE TRANSIT LOOKS LIKE. UM, SO OUR NEXT STEPS, WE ARE LOOKING TO SOLICIT OUTSIDE SERVICES TO STUDY, UH, TRANSIT NEEDS. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE, UH, THERE IN THE GRAPHIC, UH, CEDAR PARK TRANSIT STUDY, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, UH, AND WE ARE [02:40:01] ANALYZING OUR LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR CONSIDERATION OF ANYTHING RELATED TO TRANSIT OPTIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS, AND EVEN REFERENDUMS IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR LONG-TERM FUTURE, UM, REAL QUICKLY FOREHAND. AND THESE TWO, UH, CAME FROM THE CEDAR PARK TRANSIT STUDY. THIS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR IN SCOPE, THIS OVERVIEW, UH, WHAT WE ARE LIKELY TO SEEK. AGAIN, WE STILL NEED TO DISCUSS A FEW THINGS ON THIS BEFORE WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL. UH, BUT THAT SCOPE IS WHAT WE WOULD LOOK, UH, AND JUST IN THE NEXT, I'D SAY MONTH TO BRING TO COUNCIL AS AN RFQ REQUEST, UM, FROM THIS IN CEDAR PARK, WE, WE DID FIND IT INTERESTING THAT, UM, SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS RULED OUT RIDE SHARING PARTNERSHIPS AND COMMUTER RAIL DUE TO COSTS. AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS MICRO TRANSIT AND CONTRACTED BUS SERVICE. UM, AGAIN, IN YOUR, UH, AGENDA SUMMARY, I DID LINK A LOT OF THE OTHER TRANSIT STUDIES FROM OUR NEIGHBORING TOWNS, AS WELL AS SOME CAMPO REGIONAL INFORMATION. SO A LOT TO LOTS OF DIGEST, BUT, UM, WE WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE COUNSEL. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, AND I KNOW JUST GOING FROM SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU HAD, UM, PUT UP THE BEGINNING WAS ACTUALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD SENT A NOTE AND REQUESTED MYSELF AS A METRO REP. UM, BECAUSE I THINK AS A SMALL CITIES REP, RIGHT, IT APPLIES TO OTHERS AS WELL. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, MAYBE BE BROUGHT IN TO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE MAY BE WAYS THAT I CAN, UM, ASSIST FROM THE POLICY STANDPOINT AND BEING A BOARD MEMBER, BECAUSE IN MY DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL THINGS THAT I MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED ON A METRO BOARD LEVEL. AND IT WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT IT, AND I THINK A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD WITH CAP METRO STAFF, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HIT IT FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ALSO. UM, AND IF I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STAFF LEVEL, THEN MAYBE I CAN, UM, FIGURE OUT HOW MY WORK ON A POLICY LEVEL TO ATTACK IT FROM TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. I THINK THAT'S ENTIRELY OUR APPROACH FOR THIS IS, UH, SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT WE KNOW INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED IT. UM, AND SO GOING FORWARD, UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION AT THE STAFF LEVEL WITH CAPITAL METRO, BUT ALSO WANTING TO HELP OUR REPRESENTATIVE YOURSELF, UM, PRESENT THAT TO THE BOARD AND MAKE IT A BOARD. RIGHT. AND MAYBE I CAN BRING IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD RECEIVED TOO, AND SORT OF SEE IF IT ALL HOLDS TOGETHER AND MAKE SENSE. CAUSE I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS ROLLING AROUND, BUT, UM, NOT KNOWING ALL THE HISTORY, YOU REALLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND VET IT OUT. SO IF THAT WORKS THAT MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT. YES, I WAIT. IF MY QUESTION WAS JUST GOING TO BE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BEST VETTED BY HAVING AN OUTSIDE WHOEVER AGENCY, WHOEVER COMPLETE THIS PROCESS FOR US TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION FROM CAPITOL METRO AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO SPEED THIS PROCESS UP? CAUSE I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TAKEN A FEW YEARS TO PULL INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TOGETHER. UM, SO WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION ABOUT HOW TO INCREASE USAGE OR WHATEVER WE DECIDE NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH CAPITAL METRO. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, PULLING SOME OF THESE AGREEMENTS AND COMPARING THEM TO WHAT, WHAT OUR TRANSIT SERVICE LOOKS LIKE AND THESE BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE PULLED THUS FAR, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DATA MEANS FOR US IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY SOMETHING AN OUTSIDE AGENCY WILL HELP US DETERMINE. UM, THERE'S MOST OF THE DATA I THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT FROM CAPITOL METRO IS, IS PUBLIC DATA. SO PULLING SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO, BUT GETTING AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO KIND OF ANALYZE THAT AND, AND GIVE US SOME, UM, UH, HAVING A NEUTRAL PARTY, SORT OF GIVE US A SENSE OF THAT OBJECTIVELY IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. I'D SUGGEST A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TYPICALLY WITH THAT, WITH, AT THIS, AT THIS LEVEL TO NOT JUST LOOK AT THE CURRENT DATA, POSSIBLY LOOK AT DAILY RIDERSHIP, DO SOME OTHER SURVEY WORK, LOOK AT OUR, OUR CURRENT GROWTH, OUR CURRENT CENSUS, UH, THE PERCENT OF GROWTH IN CERTAIN AREAS, INCLUDING ELDERLY, DISABLED, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND ALSO LOOK AT THE LARGER SYSTEM THAT [02:45:01] CAP METRO IS, HAS CURRENTLY THAT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BUILD THROUGH THE, UH, THE NEXT PHASES AND THEN COME BACK PROBABLY WITH THE TRULY THIRD-PARTY SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST IN TERMS OF, IF YOU STAY IN THIS SHOULD BE YOUR QUOTE UNQUOTE LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED ON THIS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO DO SOMETHING ON YOUR OWN, THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE SHOULD BE SOMEWHAT BASED ON DEMAND. I DO THINK MANY ENTITIES ENTERED INTO RAIL AND EVEN COMMUTER RAIL ALSO AS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER. AND I THINK THAT THAT DOES NEED TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A CONSIDERATION. AND PART OF THAT IS TO SNAPSHOT ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A TERRORS. YOU COULD SNAPSHOT, YOU KNOW, PRE RAIL, YOU COULD LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT TO DATE AND THEN PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO ISOLATE THAT OUT AS, YOU KNOW, AN ECONOMIC DRIVER LONG-TERM AND WHAT THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WOULD BE AS WELL. SO THAT WAY Y'ALL HAVE THE DECISION TOOLS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE. SO WE CAN MAKE IT AND HAVE MADE A LOT OF HEADWAY SO FAR ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE HAVE, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY BRINGING IN ANOTHER OUTSIDE PARTY TO CONFIRM WHAT WE NEED AND THEN HOW DO WE MEET THAT NEED? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MEET THAT NEED IF WE'RE NOT ALREADY OKAY. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS OUTSIDE COMPANY COMING IN SAYING TO PROVIDE THIS MANAGED SERVICE, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. UM, BUT IT'S VERY SIMPLE. I MEAN, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE'S SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF A STUDENT FOR ONE TO SEE TRENDS OR WHERE THINGS ARE GOING. THE OTHER MAP THAT SHOWED, UH, LIKE RIGHT BEFORE COVID HIT, IT WAS 567. BOARDINGS WAS THE TOP NUMBER THAT WAS ON THERE. ALL RIGHT. THE TOP NUMBER THAT WAS ON THERE. SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I DON'T THINK THE TREND IS GOING TO BEAT IT FOR MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO BE RIDING THE TRAIN ANYTIME SOON WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON HERE TOO. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE LIKE KILLER IN THIS WHOLE THING IS THE, THE, THE RAIL SERVICE COSTS SO MUCH MONEY. THAT'S ALSO CAP METROS AND THEIR BRIEF CONVERSATIONS WITH US. AND YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST THING. THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY'RE SAYING THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM 9.6, $1 MILLION IN 2021, 9.6, $1 MILLION, LET THAT SINK IN FOR A MINUTE. AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH TO COVER WHATEVER THEIR SERVICING IS LIKE THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS COMING BEFORE TOO. SO IF YOU DO THAT, EVEN IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE OTHER NUMBERS, NOT EVEN THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT IN DURING COVID, BUT IF YOU WENT BACK EVEN TO WHERE THEY WERE AT BEFORE THAT HAPPENED AT THAT VERY HIGHEST AMOUNT OF 567 BOARDINGS. AND EVEN IF THOSE WERE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD STILL BE JUST A COUPLE OF DOLLARS, SHORT OF $17,000 PER RIDER IS WHAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING. IF IT WAS REALLY HALF, LIKE IF IT WAS JUST FOR BOARDINGS, IT WAS REALLY HALF OF THE USERS AND IT WAS, AND IT WAS ONLY HALF OF 5 67, IT'S ALMOST $34,000 PER PERSON THAT'S USING IT IS WHAT WE WERE SUBSIDIZED. EVEN IF THAT WAS STILL HOW MANY PEOPLE PER YEAR? YES. PER YEAR. SORRY, NOT PER DAY PER, PER YEAR. UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE, I DON'T, WE NEED ALL THE, I THINK WE'VE AGREED AS A COUNCIL. WE NEED ALL THE DATA WE NEED. THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS IS NOT JUST, HEY, DO WE LET HIM, DO WE LET THE VOTERS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DECIDING. DO WE LET THE VOTERS DECIDE THIS? I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A VERY EASY DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED OFF THAT, THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IS IF WE DO THAT, WE BETTER MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO SUPPORT EVERYBODY ELSE. AS FAR AS THAT STUFF COMING THROUGH HERE. AND I AGREE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT WE BETTER BE, HONESTLY, WE BETTER BE IN THE BACK OF MY MIND KNOWING THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SAY ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO DO AS A CITY, MULTIPLE THINGS THAT WE'RE SHORT ON. WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY HERE. UM, EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE CONTRACTED RAIL SERVICE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY, IF, IF THAT, IF THE WHOLE TREND TURNED AROUND, BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEAL TO BEING STUCK IN IT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS AND GIVING MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE MONEY, WE ARE BLEEDING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO HOW WE SUPPORT AND HOW WE TAKE CARE OF OUR, OUR CITY THOUGH, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING OR NEED TO GO THERE ABSOLUTELY 100%. BUT THIS, THIS IS LIKE THESE NUMBERS TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN I WISH THAT WE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED TO PURSUE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM. AND THEN WE W YOU KNOW, WE, WE IT'S, UM, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, LIKE WITH THE PARKS AND WITH THE, AND WITH THE THINGS, AND WE'RE SICK TALKING ABOUT IT, LIKE, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST MAKE IT, LIKE, SOMETHING'S GOT TO GO ON. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS. DOES IT? ABSOLUTELY. ANOTHER ONE. YEAH. WELL, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS DISAGREEING WITH YOUR STANCE ON THERE. IT'S JUST, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, EVERY SINGLE TIME CAP, METRO HAS COME UP FOR AN ELECTION AND LEANDER, NO MATTER HOW MANY VOTERS WE HAD, THEY WON WITH 60% OF THE VOTE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT. WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THE DATA. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT [02:50:01] SERVICE LOOKS LIKE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. AND WE NEED TO HAVE EVERY, I DOTTED AND T CROSSED AND BE READY TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION THAT A RESIDENT HAS. UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING NOW. AND IT'S ABOUT TIME. I THINK I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I JUST DID, IT WAS SAID THERE THOUGH, THAT WE NEED TO BE UNIFIED AS A COUNCIL, AND THIS IS THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY. BUT THIS IS, I THINK IN TERM, IN, IN, IN YEARS PAST, I THINK WE HAVE BEEN SEPARATED ON OUR, ON OUR, UM, UH, DECISION OR IF WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO IN. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE UNIFIED ON THIS THOUGH. AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WE TALK JUST A COMMENT. SO IN MY MIND, I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT'S THE COST TO EXIT. SO ALL YOUR RIDERSHIP INFORMATION IS GREAT HERE, BUT WE NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THIS INFORMATION. AND I KNOW IT'S A MOVING TARGET, BUT, UM, THE COST TO EXIT AND, AND THE IMPLICATIONS OR IMPACT OF HAVING AN ELECTION LIVING IN FEAR, GUYS, ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS KEEP IT. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ON LIVING IN FEAR AND LETTING THAT BLEED AND BLEED AND BLEED, ETC. UM, I GUESS WE'RE ASKING FOR DATA IS NOT LIVING IN FEAR WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. WE, WE GOT IT. WE OWE IT TO THE PUBLIC. I KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT, BUT, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THAT'S BEEN USED AND THAT WAS USED TWO YEARS AGO, AS WELL, TOO, AS LIKE A THREAT, UH, IN FEAR LIKE, WHOA, THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS BIG NUMBER OF LAST. AT THAT POINT, IT WAS NINE OR 10 MILLION BUCKS, NINE OR 10 MILLION BUCKS WOULD BE ONE YEAR OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT. THIS WAS TWO YEARS AGO. AND I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING. I THINK IT IS. I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE GATHER THIS DATA. WE DEFINITELY NEED AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BIGGER THAN WE ARE. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE CONSIDERATIONS TO, UM, THE NORTHLAND PROJECT TO ACC AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE PIPELINE. UM, THAT CAME SPECIFICALLY FOR THE RAIL. WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND IF, AND IF THE NUMBERS AREN'T RIGHT, THE NUMBERS AREN'T RIGHT. WE, YOU TAKE IT TO A VOTE AND WE FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT. I'M JUST, I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA. AND I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE. UM, WE JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT HER ON FAST FORWARD TO GET TO AN END, AS CHRIS WAS SAYING, IT'S BASICALLY ALMOST HANDOFF TIME FOR AN RFQ FOR A THIRD PARTY AND FOR POTENTIALLY THE LEGAL AND TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AND FINANCIAL ANALYSIS ON THOSE TWO THINGS. YOU'VE GOT THE ONE ANSWER HERE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, BUT IT'S ALL NUMBERS AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY, UH, THE NEXT, BUT JUST A QUESTION. WOULD THAT CONSULTANT DO THIS REPLACEMENT? I GUESS PROPOSAL, BECAUSE IN MY MIND WE NEED A LIKE FOR LIKE SOLUTION, IF WE DO HAVE A REPLACEMENT. YEAH. I MEAN, I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING LET'S HAVE LIMOS DRIVE PEOPLE. I MEAN, GUYS, THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. I MEAN, PEOPLE GET ON THE TRAIN TO GET WIFI THERE. SO IN MY MIND, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING. THAT'S A LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT AND WE NEED TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT. IT HASN'T BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THAT YOU LITERALLY COULDN'T DO THAT. PEOPLE CARS. I KNOW THERE'S SOME SARCASM IN THERE, BUT YEAH, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER UNDERSTANDING OUR NEED, UM, THAT, THAT CONSULTANT COULD HELP US IDENTIFY WHAT THAT NEED TRULY IS WHETHER THE CURRENT SERVICE THAT WE HAVE IS COVERING THAT OR COVERING BEYOND THAT. UM, I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO THINGS REALLY QUICK BASED ON YOUR QUESTION. UM, JUST ONE TO EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SIX YEARS WE COULD BE DOUBLING THAT $64 MILLION ESTIMATE, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS HELPED US, UM, SO FAR KIND OF WAY, UH, SOME OF THE LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AND CERTAINLY NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS ONE THAT IF THERE WAS AN ELECTION, UM, TO CONTINUE SERVICE AND, AND THE VOTERS VOTED TO WITHDRAW WHAT WOULD BE OUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATION TO CAPITAL METRO THAT IS, UM, KIND OF ILLEGAL AND A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGISLATIVE QUESTION. SO, UM, UH, I'LL LET PAIGE SPEAK TO THAT KIND OF HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THAT FROM MIKE BEF BEFORE PAGE, UH, WEIGHS IN, ON THAT PIECE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS IN A PERFECT WORLD, UH, THE RESPONSE TO THE RFQ SHOULD INCLUDE THE CONSULTANT, LOOKING AT THE, THE JOURNEY TO WORK DATA, THE UPDATED CENSUS AT BOTH NOW AND EXTRAPOLATING INTO THE FUTURE AND NOT ONLY LOOKING AT, UM, REALLY WHAT THAT, THAT LATENT DEMAND IS. SO THE DEMAND THAT SHOULD BE HERE FOR TRANSIT, BUT YOU ALSO PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOU DO HAVE BOTH BUS AND RAIL THEORETICALLY OVERLAPPING AND QUASI COMPETING IN THE SAME CORRIDOR. AND WE ALSO, I THINK THAT IN MOST INSTANCES WHERE THERE IS COMMUTER RAIL, YOU'RE USUALLY NOT IN QUITE THE PROXIMITY TO A TOLL ROAD. SO ALL OF THE JOURNEY TO WORK DATA THAT'S OUT THERE, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE [02:55:01] COULD RIDE. AND AT POINT, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT WHEN CONGESTION GETS SO BAD, BOTH ON 180 3, AND THEN LATER AT 180 3, A AT WHAT POINT WOULD THAT ALSO POTENTIALLY DRIVE UP DEMAND ON VIA COMMUTER BUS OR RAIL. BUT WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION HERE WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS. UH, BASICALLY THE RIDER CAN MAKE A CHOICE UNLESS THEY'RE TRANSIT DEPENDENT. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE PUT IN THE RFQ. SO Y'ALL FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN ANALYZED WHEN CAN WE HAVE THAT? YEAH. SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO GET TO IS WE HAVE DEADLINES ON WHEN WE CAN CALL ON ELECTION. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE, WE NEED TO GET IT DONE VERY QUICKLY. CAN THAT BE ON THE SEPTEMBER 2ND AGENDA? IF NOT THE SECOND, THE 16TH WE DO NEED TO GET WITH PURCHASING. IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO HAVE ANSWERS BACK IN TIME FOR CALLING AN ELECTION IN MARRIAGE PAGE? WHAT'S THE, WE CAN'T DO IT. THAT WOULD BE JANUARY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO. YEAH. THE DEADLINE FOR CALLING THE ELECTION WOULD BE THE, IF YOU STAY ON A REGULAR MEETING CYCLE, IT WOULD BE THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY. YOU'VE GOT TO CALL THE ELECTION 90 DAYS BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE ELECTION DATE, IS THAT A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE CONSULTANT TO COME BACK WITH EVERYTHING? THEY PROBABLY, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY REPORT TOGETHER, PRELIMINARY FINDINGS. SO IF WE BROUGHT THE RFQ TO Y'ALL, LET'S SAY WE BROUGHT IT ON THE SECOND. BY THE TIME YOU FACTOR IT IN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE TRUTHFULLY THAT ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS PROBABLY TO GET THE CORE DATA THEY DID. WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE? JANUARY? IT'S FEBRUARY. OH, FEBRUARY 1ST. WELL, IT'S FEBRUARY 1ST, BUT THERE'S NOT ANOTHER MEETING. I THINK WE COULD CRAFT IT WHERE THEY COULD PULL ENOUGH DATA FOR Y'ALL TO BE AND PROVIDE A PRELIMINARY REPORT. SO THAT THEY'D HAVE A 60, 90 DAY WINDOW TO REALLY DO THE CORE WORK. THE, THE FINAL REPORT OBVIOUSLY COULD COME OUT, UM, BEFORE THE ELECTION, BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, STAFF, ONCE Y'ALL CALL THE ELECTION, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALREADY JUST STEPPING BACK FROM IT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN'T WEIGH IN ON. YEAH. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT ACCELERATED TIMELINE, UM, TO BE FIRM BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN TIME FOR A MAY ELECTION, ALL THAT DATA IS OUTDATED. BY THE TIME WE GET TO ANOTHER UNIT, W WE WILL, WE WILL WRITE IT AS SUCH TO MAKE SURE ANYONE THAT RESPONDS TO THAT TH THE CRITICAL TIMELINE ON THIS AND, AND, AND BRING THAT TO YOU. THANK YOU. BUT JUST A QUESTION, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, AROUND THAT TIME BEFORE CALLING THE ELECTION, ARE THERE, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CALL THE ELECTION, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER DECISION THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE AT THAT TIME. AND IT'S GOING TO BE WHETHER YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE BALLOT INITIATIVE THAT REPURPOSES THE FUNDS. YEAH. WE HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT? SO YOU DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO THAT REQUIRES A DECISION TO BE MADE BY COUNCIL. AND THERE ARE OPEN SESSION AND OPEN SESSION, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS AS TO WHAT THE SALES TAX COULD BE REPURPOSED TO. AND SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL AND TIME TO MAKE THE DECISION. I WOULD NOT EXPECT YOU TO MAKE THAT IN ONE NIGHT AT A MEETING. SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME LEAD TIME WHERE YOU GET INFORMATION, HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND WORKSHOP IT IN A WAY THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE DECISION YOU'VE MADE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE CAPTURE THE DATA THAT I THINK COUNCIL MAY BE LOOKING FOR IN TIME TO MAKE A DECISION ON AN ELECTION IF COUNCIL DESIRES TO DO SO? IT JUST DEPENDS HOW WE SCOPE OUR, OUR TRANSIT STUDY, HOW WE SCOPE OUR SOLICITATION. SO, UM, WE'LL TRY. AND, UH, WE ARE PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER ALREADY ABOUT WHAT A PROPER SCOPE AND WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN ACHIEVE ON OUR OWN, AND THEN WHAT A THIRD PARTY REALLY NEEDS TO BE DOING SO THAT WE DON'T EXTEND THIS OUT BEYOND, UM, THE DEADLINE THAT COUNCIL NEEDS. WE'VE SOME OF US HAVE WRITTEN THESE ON BOTH SIDES FOR THE PUBLIC ENTITIES, THE RFQ, AND THEN ALSO RESPONDED TO THEM AS CONSULTANTS. SO WE'LL GET TOGETHER, WE'LL GET DOWN TO THE CORE NEEDS, AND ALSO MENTIONED, WE'VE ALREADY PULLED A FAIR AMOUNT OF DATA. SO WE HAVE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE A HEADSTART ON. SO I THINK IT'S DOABLE. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN. COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THEM? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S COME? ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN HELPFUL? HELPFUL? NO. OKAY. SAME OLD. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, GOING TO THE PICKUP SERVICE, WHEN I SAT DOWN WITH THEM, I TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF TREATING US LIKE A PARTNER, LETTING US HAVE A SEAT AT THE [03:00:01] TABLE. AND I SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP THE PICKUP SERVICE AND THE NEED TO EXPAND THE ZONES. AND I WAS TOLD IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THAT COULD NOT EVEN BE A DISCUSSION UNTIL JANUARY. AND THEN, UM, LAST WEEK WE LEARNED THAT THEY DID EXPAND IT. AND NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT ENGAGE US FIRST, THEY DIDN'T EVEN TELL US. WE FOUND OUT FROM THE NEWS, RIGHT? THIS IS THIS, THIS IS VERY COMMON WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED. NO, NO, I'M JUST FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. LIKE, THIS IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS EXACTLY WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON HERE FOR AWHILE. RIGHT. AND IT'S JUST LIKE, IT JUST TREAT US LIKE A PARTNER. LET US HAVE A SAY IN THE SERVICE, WE ARE THE ONES HERE ON THE GROUND AND LEANDER THAT KNOW WHAT THE RESIDENTS NEED. WE CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S MORE OF A NEED FOR SERVICES WHERE THE PICKUP ZONE SHOULD BE. AND WE DON'T EVEN GET A SEAT AT THAT TABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT NOT EVEN A HEADS UP AS A COURTESY, WE GIVE THEM A HEADS UP AS A COURTESY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WHICH IS FAR LESS OF AN ISSUE THAN THEM EXPANDING SERVICE IN OUR TERRITORY. SURE. UM, AND WE CAN'T EVEN GET A PHONE CALL. OKAY. SO NO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, NOTHING HELPFUL. THAT'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION. ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. NEW WITH THAT. IT IS 1152, IF EVERYBODY'S ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST RECESS TO LUNCH. BE BACK AT TWO O'CLOCK. IT IS. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 2:05 PM. MOVING ON TO [5. Discuss park facility rentals.] ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSS PARK FACILITY RENTALS WITH MR. TIMMONS. THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR COUNCIL. UM, I'M GONNA START WITH THIS SHEET. I THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. IT STILL LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. WE DON'T HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE FEES AND CHARGES POLICY. UM, AND, AND, AND REVIEW OF ALL THAT OUR, OUR STAFF, UH, LED BY, UH, KELSEY HAYDN, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SITTING BACK HERE, DID A GREAT WORK, UM, AND REVIEWING AND LOOKING AT ALL THE, THE FEES THAT WE, WE CURRENTLY UTILIZE MAKING SOME CHANGES, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR UPGRADES. I KNOW THAT YOU'LL, UH, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, THERE WILL ALSO BE A, UM, AGENDA ITEM ON SEPTEMBER 2ND THAT WE'LL INCLUDE THESE, UH, AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE. SO, UM, WHETHER YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU AT THIS, THIS MEETING, AND THEN DETERMINING WHERE WE, UH, WANT TO GO FROM THAT POINT AND HOW WE APPROACH. SO THE FIRST ONE I WANTED TO LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CHART THAT I JUST OPENED UP, UM, IS LAKEWOOD PARK. UH, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY NON-RESIDENT FEES. WE MOVED INTO THIS LAST SEPTEMBER 4TH. AND, UH, WE JUST HAD A TYPE OF OVERALL RESIDENT FEE OR JUST A USER FEE FOR ANY, ANY PERSON, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING FROM CEDAR PARK OR GEORGETOWN OR WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN GENERAL OR OUR OWN CITY. AND OF COURSE OUR CITY SPENT, UM, UH, RESIDENT SPENT $8.2 MILLION ON THE PARK. AND, UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS. WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD FIGURE THAT 85% OF OUR RENTALS AT LAKEWOOD ARE NON-RESIDENT, IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WEAR AND TEAR, AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY ON THE RESIDENTS AND NOT ON THE NON-RESIDENTS TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS AND THAT DAILY UPKEEP AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE BEGAN LOOKING AT A NON-RESIDENT FEE AS WELL. WE GOT RID OF SOME FEES THAT WERE CROSSOVERS. UH, TYPICALLY ALL OF OUR FEES WERE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 40%. SOME MAY HAVE BEEN LITTLE AS 25% NOW ACROSS THE BOARD, ALL OF OUR FEES FOR NON-RESIDENTS AS COMPARED TO RESIDENTS, WE'RE RECOMMENDING 35%. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE. UM, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LIVE OAK FOR THREE, THREE HOUR WEEKEND IS 30, $35 FOR A RESIDENT AND 47, 25 FOR A NON-RESIDENT. SO, UM, ANYTIME YOU SEE THOSE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE AND AUTOMATICALLY THINK IT'S 35% AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD AND LOOKING AT OUR COUNTERPARTS ACROSS CEDAR PARK AND AGAIN, ROUND ROCK GEORGETOWN, OTHER, UH, FACILITY RENTALS OF SIMILAR NATURE. AND THERE'S, WE'RE ALSO IN THAT 35% FEE, UH, REALM. MR. THOMAS. YES. GOOD QUESTION. AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S BRILLIANT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. UM, BUT QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW, ON THE KAYAK RENTALS SOMETHING SIMILAR IF IT'S RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MACHINE PICKS THAT UP. WE CAN FIND THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CHECK INTO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SUPER DIFFICULT. I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT'S OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO INPUT A ZIP CODE WHEN YOU DO IT OR ANYTHING, YOU ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD. CORRECT. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT HAS ANY DIFFERENTIATION YOU'RE USING A COUPLE OF TIMES. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SCOTT MIGHT, OUR THIRD PARTY RENTAL. HE MIGHT [03:05:01] BE ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I BET YOU'RE RIGHT. I BET IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY GOOD. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. IT WAS JUST CURIOSITY. UM, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE THAT IT'S PREDOMINANTLY NON-RESIDENTS THAT ARE RENTING THE FACILITIES. SO NOW I'M CURIOUS IF THEY'RE ALSO RENTING OUR KAYAKS. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE FIGURES. I WON'T GO LINE BY LINE, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY ON, ON THOSE, UM, MASON HOMESTEAD AGAIN, AND LOOKING AT THOSE, WE, UM, WE FELT THERE WAS A S SOMEWHAT OF A SLIGHT INCREASE. MOSTLY IT WAS BASED ON THE NON-RESIDENT FEE, AGAIN, SAME WITH ROBIN BLOOD. SO PARK THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES, A LITTLE BIT ON THE PAVILION USAGE. WE DID GO UP FROM RESIDENT FROM 50 TO $75. IT'S IT'S HEAVILY USED, UH, NICELY USED, BUT THAT'S A RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT AS WELL FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT. UH, WE COME DOWN TO, UM, THE, THE POOLS. UM, WE, WE ONLY, WE ADDED A DAYCARE. WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING IN NEXT SUMMER INTO A DAYCARE, UM, OR ACADEMY TYPE SCHOOL DURING THE SUMMER WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SWIM, WE DO NOT HAVE A SEPARATE DAYCARE FEE. UM, AND THEY'LL BRING OUT ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO A HUNDRED KIDS AND THEY REALLY COME UNEXPECTED. AND SOMETIMES WE MAY NOT HAVE THE GUARDS SCHEDULED FOR THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN THEY COME. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH A LOT OF OUR TYPICAL NORMAL DAYCARES THAT WE SEE QUITE OFTEN, AND ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PRICE REDUCTION FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE, UM, AS COMPARED TO $2, THAT'D BE A DOLLAR 75 PER CHILD. SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THAT SAME, UH, UH, DIVINE LIGHT PAVILION, BENBROOK RANCH, UH, SOME OF OUR FIELD, THERE WAS REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE EXCEPT FOR THE NON-RESIDENT FEE FOR BENBROOK RANCH. I'LL ALSO THE, THE, THE INTERESTING IS THAT WE, IN 2017, WHEN YOU SEE BASEBALL FIELD 1, 2, 3, 4, THE 90 MINUTE RENTAL, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE AT. BUT WHEN WE SHIFTED TO CIVIC REC OUR NEW REGISTRATION SOFTWARE, IT WAS 60 MINUTES. AND SO NOBODY COMPLAINED THEY WERE BEING CHARGED THE SAME AMOUNT, EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WERE PROBABLY GOING FROM 90 TO 60 MINUTES. SO WE KEPT IT A 60 MINUTE. AND THEN YOU COULD RENEW THAT 60 MINUTES. SO, UM, THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION AND OPENNESS ON, ON WHAT THAT IS. AND THEN WE, UH, UH, COME DOWN TO OUR, OUR, UH, LAND OR PUBLIC LIBRARY AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE ANNEX. AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE GAVE YOU IN YOUR PACKET. UH, WE LOOKED AT, UH, LIBRARY, ANNEX USAGE AND HOURS. I THINK YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL. UH, COURSE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A STRANGE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, OBVIOUSLY. SO A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT, UH, SKEWED, BUT AS WE STARTED COMING OUT OF, OF, OF COVID, ESPECIALLY BACK IN MAY AND JUNE, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE, UH, HOURS THAT WERE ATTRIBUTED TO WHETHER IT BE CAMPS OR ACTIVE ADULTS. UH, AND EVEN ON OUR PUBLIC BOARDS, LA UH, WE HAVE OUR LIBRARY FOUNDATION, WE HAVE OUR PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. WE HAVE OUR, OUR PUBLIC, UH, OUR ART COMMITTEE. THEY ALL MEET AT THE, AT THE LIBRARY ANNEX. AND THEN WE ALSO USE IT FOR VARIOUS STAFF MEETINGS AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, THE NEXT, THE NEXT SET OF SHEETS THAT YOU HAVE ALSO SHOW A LOT OF THE CAMPS, THE SCHEDULE THAT WE DID IN JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER. AND THAT EVEN GOES THROUGH OCTOBER. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS, UM, BESIDES A LOT OF THE CAMPS, A LOT OF THE SCHEDULING DURING THE DAY FOR ACTIVE ADULTS AND, OR, AND THOSE CAMPS AND EVENTS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT, UM, STARTING, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SEPTEMBER 7TH, UH, THE CURATIVE WILL BE COMING IN AND FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, UH, AND DOING COVID TESTING. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY LIMITED ON, UM, OUR ABILITY TO USE, EVEN IN OUR OWN PROGRAMS, UM, THAT, BUT, UH, FOR THE GREATER GOOD FOR GETTING PEOPLE HOPEFULLY TESTED AND, UH, WHERE AND DIAGNOSED, AND THEN THE TREATED AT SOME, SOME POINT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CITIES FELT LIKE WE CAN USE AND, AND TO, TO UTILIZE. UM, SO TYPICALLY MOST OF OUR, OUR, OUR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS FROM THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE'LL BE PUT ON HIATUS. UH, WE'LL BE TRYING TO USE SOME OTHER FACILITIES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY, UH, WHEN IT COMES INTO OUR FACILITIES. UM, SO WE'LL PICK BACK UP AND IN, AND WE DID LOOK AT OUR, OUR, OUR LIBRARY, UH, FEES POLICY AS WELL. WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU ON THIS SHEET AGAIN, [03:10:02] IS, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAND OR PUBLIC LIBRARY OF THE ANNEX PRIOR TO COVID IN 2019, YOU SEE THE FEES. AND THEN WE BEGAN LOOKING AT IT SPECIFICALLY CEDAR PARK AND ROUND ROCK GEORGETOWN AND THEIR LIBRARY. AND IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE OP THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE POSSIBILITY TO REUTILIZE THAT ANNEX, UM, FOR OTHER OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS TO, UH, RENT THAT FACILITY, THOSE WERE THE FEES THAT WE CAME UP WITH. IT WAS BASED ON SIMILAR RATES OF NEAR, LIKE I SAID, IN NEARBY, UM, UH, LIBRARIES, ROUND ROCK, AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, THEIRS IS ALMOST BASICALLY IN LINE WITH THAT SAME WITH CEDAR PARK. SO WE HAVE A LIBRARY ANNEX NONPROFIT TO OUR RENTAL, THEN ADDITIONAL NON-PROFIT ADDITIONAL HOUR, THEN ANNEX FOR-PROFIT PRIVATE RENTAL, AND THEN THAT ADDITIONAL HOUR AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A MAJOR CHANGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO PART OF THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, IF, IF, IF THIS IS A DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO GO IN, WE'D BE GLAD TO PUT THAT INTO, UM, AN AGENDA ITEM, PART OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE AS WELL, TO, TO CHANGE THAT. I WILL LIKE TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED, UM, ABILITY TO HAVE OTHER INDOOR SPACE THAT WE LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO RENT TO OTHER OUTSIDE GROUPS. SO PRIMARILY A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, OR SUNDAY, FRIDAY EVENING, SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, BECAUSE WE UTILIZE THAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, UH, AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE IN TAKING KEEP IN MIND AS WELL. UM, THE ONLY OTHER OTHER OPTION ON THE LIBRARY WAS WE FELT LIKE WE COULD REDUCE OUR OVERTIME OVER OVERDUE FEES FROM A MAX OF $10 TO A MAX OF $5 OVER REDUCT, REDUCING OUR FEES ON, ON THAT. SO I'VE SPOKEN WITH MS. MS. PEGGY PARIS, OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PRETTY IN DEPTH ABOUT OPENING UP THE POTENTIAL TO OUTSIDE GROUPS. AND WE FELT LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THEIR HOURS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE AS WE MOVE INTO CALENDAR YEARS, WE, WE PRODUCE, UH, AN ANNUAL CALENDAR. WE PRODUCE A BI-ANNUAL AND A QUARTERLY, AND THAT WE WILL PRODUCE ALL OF OUR EVENTS AND THINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN THERE. AND IF THERE'S ANY GAPS, WHICH I SUSPECT, LIKE WE SAID, MOSTLY ON SATURDAY, SUNDAYS, PROBABLY FRIDAY NIGHTS, SOME FRIDAY NIGHTS THAT WE CAN PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE SOME GROUPS TO, TO COME IN AND RENT THAT IF THEY DESIRE. UM, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO PURSUE THAT OR NOT. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PREDOMINANTLY, UM, POSITIVE TIME FOR THAT. BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S MAYBE SOME POSSIBILITIES RENTALS ON WEEKNIGHTS AS WELL. UM, WE'RE HEARING FROM SCOUT GROUPS THAT ARE, UM, STRUGGLING TO FIND PLACES TO ME RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THOSE ARE USUALLY EVENING SORTS OF MEETINGS AND PERHAPS ON EVENINGS WHEN THERE'S NOT, UM, LIKE A, A BOARD ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY. WELL, I THINK CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT, I KNOW TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS ARE, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS HAPPENING IN THERE. SO IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ON ANOTHER NIGHT, THAT'D BE FINE TOO. NO. AND I THINK LOOKING FORWARD, I GUESS SPEAKING TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS THE FACILITIES GET INTERVIEWED AND EVERYTHING Y'ALL REALLY DO NEED A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE BIGGER ITEMS. CAUSE I THINK Y'ALL DO HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS YOU SORTA NEED TO SPREAD OUT AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO TALK. UM, BECAUSE I, I DO THINK THOSE ROOMS, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE AVAILABILITY FOR DAYTIME RENTALS AND EVENING RENTALS. I GET THE POSITION WE'RE IN NOW, BUT I'D LIKE TO MOVING FORWARD AS THAT'S BEING REVIEWED, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU ALL THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I THINK YOU DO NEED THE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT SO WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO WHAT THE FIRST INTENDED PURPOSE WAS. WELL, CERTAINLY LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. WE HAVE FITNESS CLASSES, OUR ZUMBA HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE IN THERE TOO OUTSIDE OF COVID THEN WHEN THEY FELT COMFORTABLE. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE DAY IN THE EVENINGS, BUT I THINK WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE AS WELL. YEAH. WE JUST NEED MORE SPACE. EVERY DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT YES, REX RECREATION CENTER MIGHT BE NICE JUST, JUST TO JUST PLUGS THERE, YOU KNOW, WENT OUT THERE WITH MULTIPLE ROOMS THAT CAN BE USED FOR MULTIPLE THINGS. YEAH. 100%. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. MY QUESTION IS BASED ON, UM, MAYBE NOT LAST YEAR SINCE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT INDICATIVE OF WHAT WOULD NORMALLY HAPPEN, BUT MAYBE BASED ON THE YEAR BEFORE, DO Y'ALL HAVE AN ESTIMATION OF WHAT THE INCREASE TO REVENUE WOULD LOOK LIKE. WOULD THEY INCREASE FEES? KELSEY, WE LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AT THIS POINT. SHE SAYS WE [03:15:01] CAN GET IT THOUGH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING MARK OR MR. TOLMAN'S D WITH THE CHANGE IN FEES? I MEAN, THIS ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT DOES THAT FROM A, UM, NON COVID YEARS, DOES THIS, ARE WE COLLECTING LESS MONEY? IS THIS GOING TO BE MORE WHEN YOU SORT OF DO AVERAGES FROM PRIOR YEARS? DOES IT, WELL, OF COURSE LAST YEAR WAS A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD SIZE DIP. RIGHT. UM, IN, IN A LOT OF OUR RENTALS, BUT THIS YEAR WE'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN LAKEWOOD IS ADDING TO THAT. UNBELIEVABLE. WE CAN'T EVEN OUTDOOR TOO. CORRECT. RIGHT. OUTDOOR, I GUESS I'M GETTING TO IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT THE CHANGE IN FEES THAT WERE, THAT WE'RE STILL COLLECTING THE F AND I KNOW IT DOESN'T TOTALLY OFFSET THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT MONEY BACK IN THE CAR FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CLEAN UP OR MINOR REPAIRS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE ARE RENTING OUT THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SCALING IT BACK. WE'RE JUST SORT OF REDISTRIBUTING AND MAYBE COLLECTING MORE FUNDS. I TH THAT'S THAT'S THE KEY IS COLLECTING MORE FUNDS, ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE THAT ARE NON-RESIDENTS, WHO ARE NOT PAYING OUR, OUR, INTO OUR TAX BASE BASICALLY. OKAY. YEAH. THEN I WOULD DEFER TO WHAT Y'ALL FEEL IS BEST ON THAT FOR SURE. AND I'D BE GOOD WITH HAVING IT ON SEPTEMBER 2ND. NO COMPLAINT FROM ME. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. IT WASN'T A TON OF MONEY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THERE WOULD BE STUFF THERE OR NOT BE STUFF THERE. UM, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A TON OF MONEY THAT WE WERE TAKING IN. IT, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS AT THE LIBRARY ANNEX. RIGHT. AND IT WAS, UM, I MEAN MAYBE, MAYBE COVERING OPERATIONAL OR CLEANUP COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT WASN'T, IT WAS NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. LIKE IT WASN'T LIKE A MONEYMAKER FOR THE CITY. ABSOLUTELY NOT. IT'S NOT AN ENTERPRISE TYPE FARM, LIKE GOLF COURSE OR REC CENTER MIGHT BE 1800. AND I DON'T REMEMBER IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T TREMENDOUS AMOUNT. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE WITH. RIGHT. AND WE DID. SO WE'RE NOW WE'RE GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, IN, IN A LIMITED CAPACITY TO GO BACK TO UTILIZING THOSE ROOMS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST CITY FUNCTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSS [6. Discuss process for board and commission appointments and rules of procedure for appointed and elected officials.] PROCESS FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. NO NUMBER SIX IS TWO 15 MINUTE BREAKS. THERE ARE TWO AGENDAS. OKAY. IT'S STILL THE SAME ITEM, DIFFERENT NUMBER, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. OH, ALL RIGHT THEN. OH, SORRY. I'M SPECIAL. OKAY. WELL THEN, UH, WE'RE STILL GOING TO TALK ABOUT BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS. UM, IS THERE A STAFF MEMBER FOR THIS OR DO I JUST START IT? I GET JUST START IT. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO REVIEW ON THIS. UM, THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO SORT OF, UM, REDO THE PROCESS. I THINK A LOT OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN GETTING ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND YOU KNOW WHAT CHAOS IT IS. WE DO THE SPEED DATING ROUND WHERE, YOU KNOW, 40 PEOPLE COME IN AND, UH, WE INTERVIEW EACH ONE FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE MINUTES. AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL CHECK OFF WHEN THEY WANT TO BE APPOINTED. THEY'LL CHECK OFF 10 DIFFERENT THINGS AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I BEST FIT IN. AND SO YOU TELL ME WHERE TO GO, AND WE'VE KNOWN YOU FOR TWO MINUTES AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU SHOULD GO. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE GET ON THESE BOARDS. THEY'VE NEVER ATTENDED A MEETING OF THEM BEFORE THEY WEREN'T SUPER INTERESTED IN IT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST APPLYING FOR SOMETHING AND THEN THEY DROP OFF OF THE BOARDS. AND SO THEN WE HAVE THESE MID-YEAR APPOINTMENTS IN APRIL. SO TO COMBAT THE PROBLEM, I WAS THINKING, MAYBE WE COULD READ YOU THE PROCESS OF APPOINTMENTS AND DO SOMETHING SORT OF LIKE A HIRING FAIR. UM, WE COULD USE THE LIBRARY ANNEX OR, UM, JUST DO IT RIGHT IN HERE OR SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY. OR WE CAN HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH OF THE BOARDS THAT CAN BE THERE WITH A LITTLE TABLE SET UP WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR BOARD. WHEN DO THEY MEET, WHAT DO THEY DO? AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND DECIDE WHERE THEY BEST FIT IN, WHO THEY CLICK WITH THAT KIND OF THING AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT, UM, WHICH ONE THEY WANT TO BE ON. AND THEN HOPEFULLY, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THIS, AND THIS IS WHERE I'LL NEED SOME HELP FROM THE SIGNS. UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT [03:20:01] TO JUST SORT OF HAVE AN OPEN DOOR, UM, MEETING SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST KIND OF COME IN AND DO THEIR INTERVIEWS THERE. UM, IN THE PAST COUNCIL HAS HAD JUST SELECT COUNCIL MEMBERS DOING THE INTERVIEWS AND THEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPOINTMENTS. AND THEN THE WHOLE COUNCIL COULDN'T SAY, YES, WE AGREE WITH THIS POSTED SLATE OF PEOPLE FOR, FOR BOARDS. UM, I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN DOING THE INTERVIEWS, SO I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE'S SOME FLUIDITY THERE WHERE WE CAN, UM, NAVIGATE THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET A FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE AND GET THEM PLACED WHERE THEY BEST BELONG. SO MS. SCIENCE, CAN WE ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT CONVERSATION, UM, ESPECIALLY THE SPECIFICALLY P AND Z, THIS WOULD MAYBE BE THE NEXT ONE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW, BUT HOW IN WHICH WE, WE AS A COUNCIL APPOINT. YEAH. SO I CAN I, YES, I DO. AND, AND I, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, THAT, UH, SO PREVIOUSLY LONG TIME AGO IN THE CITY, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN APPOINTMENT ON, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING. AND THIS IS HOW CEDAR PARK DOES IT. THAT'S HOW A LOT OF CITIES DO IT. AND SO YOU KIND OF HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, AND IT KEEPS MAJORITY RULE OUT OF IT BECAUSE EVEN IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE MINORITY, YOU STILL HAVE AS THE MINORITY, YOU'RE A MINORITY PERSON ON P AND Z. UM, AND YOU CHARTER REVIEW ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. NOW CHANGE THAT TO THE COMMITTEE PROCESS AND THEN AN ORDINANCE CHANGE A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER CHANGED IT. SO THAT COUNCIL IS THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE CHAOS THAT WE HAVE NOW. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO GO BACK TO HAVING, UM, HAVING IT SO THAT WE EACH APPOINT OUR OWN. UM, AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN'T DO THAT THROUGH A CHARTER OR ORDINANCE, I'M FINE. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MS. SIGNS, I'M FINE WITH HAVING SORT OF AN INFORMAL AGREEMENT THAT EVERYBODY JUST APPOINTS THEIR OWN FLORIDA NURSES. OH, I'M SORRY. THEY'LL SWITCH UP THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T CARE HOW IT GETS DONE. I JUST, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF OUR, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING AND SPECIFICALLY THAT ONE, I DON'T KNOW, THEN IT HAS TO BE EVERY SINGLE BOARD, BUT THAT SPECIFICALLY, THAT ONE IS A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF MAYBE HOW COUNCIL HAS MET UP MADE UP. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S SOME CONSISTENCY WITH THE DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY COMING BEFORE P AND Z AS WELL TOO. MAYBE I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN THE WAY THAT WE COMMUNICATE, I JUST, I LIKED THE IDEA OF, UM, AND THAT'S, I'VE BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A SENTENCE TWO YEARS, THAT OUR PROCESS HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY, REALLY FRUSTRATING FOR ME, AS FAR AS FIRST PERSON TO GET THEIR NAME YELLED OUT, THAT'S WHO WE'RE VOTING ON. AND THAT'S, THAT'S TOUGH, SO CHAOTIC AND AWKWARD. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU HAD JUST SAID THAT THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING THE INTERVIEWS AND THEN MADE THE, OR WHATEVER. SO WE WERE ALL DOING INTERVIEWS. DID I MISS SOMETHING I'M TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO THAT ORDINANCE? AND THAT'S A P AND Z, BUT JUST IN GENERAL. YEAH. I THINK THEY WERE DOING IT FOR PNC AS WELL, BECAUSE WHEN I INTERVIEWED FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, I INTERVIEWED IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE COUNCIL. RIGHT. THAT WAS AFTER IT WAS CHANGED. SO THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WENT INTO EFFECT SOMETIME AROUND BETWEEN 2015 AND 2017. I THINK IT WAS BEFORE ANY OF US WERE UP HERE. UM, BUT IT WAS AFTER THAT CHARTER REVIEW 10 YEARS AGO. UM, AND WHAT THEY SAID IS, UH, ALL OF COUNCIL IS NOW THE COMMITTEE AND THAT WAS WHEN IT WENT TO, UM, EVERYBODY INTERVIEWING LIKE HOW IT WAS WITH YOU AND WITH YOU AS WELL. UM, BUT FOR A FEW YEARS THERE, IT WAS A COMMITTEE. AND SO THEY WOULD SELECT CERTAIN COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THE INTERVIEWS AND THEN BASICALLY WRITE UP A REPORT THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET, I BELIEVE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I MISSED. I THOUGHT SHE RECENTLY, I THOUGHT WE'VE ALL BEEN INTERVIEWING. OKAY. YEAH. UM, I HEAR IT WORKED OUT WELL. I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT FROM, FROM THE TIME I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CITY ONWARD. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PANEL OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. UM, I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER. WELL, AND THEN IN THE MIDTERM, I MEAN, CAUSE THIS WHOLE SPEED DATING TWO MINUTES IN FRONT OF ALSO TO TOTAL WASTE OF TIME FOR EVERYBODY, YOU REMEMBER ANYBODY BY THE END OF IT. SO I HAVE A, SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT OR A RECOMMENDATION OR JUST FOR DISCUSSION. UM, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE HAD, WHEN WE HAD THE, THE APPOINTMENT FOR PLACE TOO, WE HAD THE ABILITY TO TALK TO ALL THE APPLICANTS ON OUR OWN TIME AND DO INTERVIEWS. AND I HAD MY LIST OF QUESTIONS AND I ASKED EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF HOW WELL I KNEW THEM, THE SAME QUESTIONS AND, UH, I, I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DON'T DO THAT FOR, FOR EVERYONE OR AT LEAST HAVE THE ABILITY IF THE PERSON THAT'S APPLYING IS OKAY WITH US CONTACTING THEM. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY AND GET TO KNOW THEM, [03:25:01] YOU KNOW, BEFORE I MAKE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, TWO MINUTES IS JUST NOT ENOUGH. AND PLUS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE OR, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION OR ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS, THEY MAY BE MORE APT TO OPEN UP AS OPPOSED TO IN FRONT OF THE WORLD, ALMOST LOOKING DOWN ON THEM. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO IF EVERYBODY APPOINTED THEIR OWN PERSON, BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CHRIS, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO OR, OR THE POINT I DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD, UM, IS I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT SOMEBODY THAT THINKS EXACTLY LIKE ME. I WANT THE PERSON ON PLANNING AND ZONING TO UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND UNDERSTAND THE CONFINES THAT THAT GROUP DOES HAVE TO OPERATE IN AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE MAKING, WHY THEY NEED TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE FOR, OR AGAINST SOMETHING. BUT WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH WITH EVERYBODY APPOINTING THEIR OWN IS I'M, I DON'T FOLLOW THE BENEFIT TO THEM. WELL, THAT'S THE COOL THING IS YOU GET TO CHOOSE. SO YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHO'S THERE. IF IT'S BEST FOR YOU TO, SORRY, I HAVE TO DO THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO YELL AT ME IF I DON'T. SO HOW ABOUT THIS I'M LOOKING AT, UM, SO A VERY AWKWARD, UM, SO YOU GET TO CHOOSE. AND SO IF YOU, LIKE, IF, IF FOR YOU HAVING SOMEBODY WITH THE OPPOSITE WAY, YOU THINK IS THE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR, SO WHEN THEY GO TO THE MEETINGS, DO YOU EVEN MAYBE TALKING TO THEM AND BOUNCING IDEAS OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS WHEN YOU'RE ON COUNCIL? AND LET'S SAY OPPOSITE OF THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT WAS MY, MY, MY STANCE, BUT LET'S SAY I WANT SOMEBODY WHO THINKS LIKE ME, BECAUSE I WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TYPE OF EFFECT ON, ON THE P AND Z, UH, COMMISSION AS WELL TOO. THE COOL THING IS THAT WE WOULD GET TO CHOOSE THAT. AND I THINK THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO HAVE A SAY IN WHO'S GOING TO BE MAKING OTHER REALLY CRITICAL DECISIONS ON GIVING US ADVICE ON WHICH WAY TO GO. AND WE CAN EACH CHOOSE INDIVIDUALLY WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE THE BEST REPRESENTATION OF US OR, UM, OR A WAY TO HELP US ON THAT, ON THAT COMMISSION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF ACCOUNTABILITY. I KNOW SOME OF MY FRIENDS IN OTHER CITIES ON COUNCIL, UM, IF AN ISSUE COMES UP WITH ONE OF THEIR COMMISSIONERS, SOMEBODY WILL GO TO THAT COUNCIL PERSON AND TELL THEM, AND THE COUNCIL PERSON WILL GO AND TALK TO THEIR COMMISSIONER AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, THAT KIND OF THING. AND SO THERE'S THAT, UM, I ALSO THINK TOO, IT GIVES YOU A VOICE BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO FEEL THE WAY THAT YOU FEEL ABOUT AN APPOINTMENT. SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT SOMEBODY THAT AGREES WITH ME ALL THE TIME, NOT SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT I WANT. AND IF YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY STRUCTURED, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY UP THERE THAT FEELS THAT WAY. SO WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR APPOINTMENT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. SO IT WOULD BE CONSTANTLY GOING THROUGH PICKING. IT'D BE EXACTLY THE SAME, BASICALLY THAT THE APPOINTMENTS LINE UP WITH ELECTIONS. SO, UM, SO MY SEAT TWO, FOUR, AND SIX WOULD BE UP IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN THE REVERSE ONE, THREE AND FIVE WOULD BE UP IN OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR. UM, IT'S, I THINK THAT'S A HOLD OVER FROM WHEN THEY USED TO DO THE APPOINTMENTS BY SEAT, BECAUSE IT LINES UP JUST PERFECTLY. SO THEN WALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHEN, UM, YOU'RE DOING THE OPEN, LIKE CAREER FAIR VOLUNTEER. FAIR. YEAH. WALK ME THROUGH THAT. SO, I MEAN, JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE THE CAREER FAIR, YOU'VE GOT YOUR TABLES SET UP WITH A REPRESENTATIVE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE CHAIR, BUT A CHAIR WOULD BE GREAT. AND, UH, TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY MEET. BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN HERE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. THEY'VE NEVER ATTENDED A COMMITTEE MEETING. THEY DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK IS INVOLVED. AND WE SEE IT SOMETIMES ON THE APPLICATIONS TOO. LIKE, YOU'LL SEE THIS A LOT FOR LIBRARY BOARD LIBRARY BOARD IS ENTIRELY FUNDRAISING. UM, BUT A LOT OF THE APPLICATIONS WE GET ARE, YOU KNOW, WELL, I'M REALLY INTO THE LIBRARY AND I LIKE BOOKS AND I LIKE GOING TO THE LIBRARY AND I WANT TO HELP WITH PROGRAMMING. YOU DO LITERALLY NONE OF THAT. UM, AND WE SEE IT WITH, UM, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS TOO, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT THAT BOARD DOES. SO I THINK HAVING SOMEBODY THERE THAT THEY CAN TALK TO AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A GOOD FIT FOR ME? DOES THIS FIT WITH MY SCHEDULE AND FIT WITH MY QUALIFICATIONS, FIT WITH MY INTERESTS, ALL OF THAT. AND THEN I THINK THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT TOO, IS WE ALSO GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T FIND THEIR PERFECT COMMITTEE WHEN THEY'RE THERE. UM, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THIS IS WHAT I WAS HOPING TO FIND, AND THAT CAN HELP US TO FIGURE OUT, [03:30:01] YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE ARE SOME NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH OTHER COMMITTEES. SO AFTER THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND SAY, WE NEED TO APPOINT THREE PLACES THEY BRING WHO IS BRINGING THAT INFORMATION TO US. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. THAT PERSON. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED US TO JUST SORT OF DISCUSS, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SET OUT AND SAY, THIS IS HOW EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE. I WANT YOU GUYS TO COME WITH ME, BUT I WANT TO SAY IS HERE'S SOME POSSIBILITIES. UM, WE ALL AGREE. I THINK THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? HERE'S MY THOUGHTS? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I DO AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO, UM, AN EASIER PROCESS AND A MORE FLUID PROCESS. AND BECAUSE IT, AND, YOU KNOW, A BIGGEST CONCERN IS PLANNING AND ZONING. UM, BUT WITH ANYTHING, I MEAN, I THINK ON LIBRARY NOW WE'RE STILL SHORT TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AND WE BARELY HAVE QUORUM ON LIBRARY. YEAH. YEAH. AND, UM, BUT TO HAVE THOSE PLACES WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO MATCH PEOPLE WITH, UM, WITH THEIR STRINGS, WELL, AND MAYBE FOR SOME OF THE MORE HEAVY DUTY ONES LIKE P AND Z AND CHARTER REVIEW, MAYBE WE YEAH. A LITTLE RIGOROUS VOLUNTEER POSITION, BUT STILL RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE WE DON'T PUT THAT THROUGH THE SAME INTERVIEW PROCESS. WE GIVE IT ITS OWN, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOP HERE WHERE WE INTERVIEW PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY SO THAT WE HAVE MORE OF A ONE-ON-ONE AND WE CAN COMPARE BACK TO BACK ALL OF US, ALL SEVEN OF US, THE WAY TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER. SO YOU COULD HAVE, UM, SORT OF HYBRID APPROACH AND SPECIFICALLY TO PROBABLY PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT WE'RE GET IT RIGHT HERE. SO YOU CAN HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS, BUT YOU CAN ALSO HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT OTHERS ARE HAVING TO, TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING SORT OF THE CAREER FAIR VOLUNTEER FOR YOUR TYPE THING. WELL, IF YOU HAD THAT HERE AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE CONSIDERING SAY PLANNING AND ZONING WERE ABLE TO COME AND TALK TO THE COMMISSIONERS OR TALK TO COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THAT TO GET A FEEL OF IF THEY REALLY WANT TO DO IT. AND IF THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN LEAVE, YOU KNOW, NO HARM, NO FOUL, BUT THEN AT THE END OF THAT DISCUSSION, I'M ABLE TO WALK AWAY AND GO, WELL, YOU KNOW, I LIKED A AND B YOU KNOW, AND THEN CATHERINE SAYS, WELL, I LIKE B, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY PERSON. I GO, WELL, COOL. THEN I'M GOING TO DO A AND THEN, SO WE'RE ABLE TO, SO WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. YEAH. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I JUST TURN IT OFF. I WOULD JUST SAY I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH CONSISTENCY. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY TAKE ON IT. ARE WE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS OF EVERYONE THAT WAS COMING UP HERE? BECAUSE ONE PERSON IS ASKING ONE THROUGH SEVEN, SOMEBODY ELSE'S ASKING A WHOLE SET OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. WHY ARE WE NOT ABLE TO JUST BE CONSISTENT AND ASK THE SAME, COME UP WITH WHAT WE AGREE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO GET ANSWERS TO THAT WILL HELP THEM SERVE THE CITY THE BEST AND ASK CONSISTENT QUESTIONS. UM, I THINK THE PROCESS, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT THEN ALSO THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP IN A PERSON'S INTERVIEW WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, OH, I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. LIKE BECKY, WHEN BECKY FIRST INTERVIEWED FOR PNZ, UM, SHE HAD TALKED ABOUT ON HER RESUME DOING PTA AND BOOSTER CLUB STUFF. AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS MY JAM. I'M GOING TO TALK TO THIS GIRL ABOUT THIS. AND WE WENT DOWN THIS WHOLE PATH, TALKING ABOUT VOLUNTEERING AT SCHOOLS AND HOW IT'S ALWAYS ALL THE PTA MOMS OUT THERE. NO, IT'S ALWAYS JUST THREE OF US DOING THE WORK. THAT'S ALL. AND I FOUND OUT BECKY WAS MY PEOPLE. LIKE WE WERE BOTH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THREE MOMS DOING ALL THE WORK. AND, UM, AND SO I WAS ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND GET TO KNOW HER AND HER THOUGHT PROCESS AND HER WORK ETHIC THAT WAY. AND I THINK YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE ABSOLUTELY ADD LIVING IS IMPORTANT. BEING ABLE TO PICK UP ON WHAT SOMEBODY IS TELLING YOU IN THE MOMENT, BUT AS ON PROCESS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE MORE STREAMLINED AND BE CONSISTENT AND HAVE EQUITY ACROSS. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING. THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US. I AGREE. IT'S A STARTING POINT. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER AT BATTALION PARKER SAID THE SAME THING. WE NEED TO BE ASKING THOSE SAME QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE STARTING POINT. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU CAN DRILL DOWN INTO IT TO ADD THOSE AD HOC QUESTIONS. YEAH. THAT'S FAIR. WELL, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR THE TWO MINUTES, IF WE EACH HAVE ONE QUESTION, IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS. SO THAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS ON OUR OWN ON OUR OWN TIME, IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO. AND IF THAT PERSON WILL CALL US BACK AND IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH SUPPLYING THAT INFORMATION TO BEGIN WITH, SO THAT'S FINDING THE RIGHT PERSON FOR [03:35:01] THE RIGHT. JUST ONE QUICK ADDITION COUNSEL, WE COULD, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL IS A GROUP KIND OF IDENTIFY, WE COULD WORK THAT INTO THE APPLICATION SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN THEIR APPLICATION. YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THEM IN WRITING. SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE, MIKE, MR. BEVIN, ALL THE ABOVE. BUT WHEN WE DO INTERVIEWS, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST FOR THE CITY, THROUGH THE HR PROCESS WE DEVELOP AND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, IT DEPENDS ON THE POSITION. WE DEVELOP A SET OF QUESTIONS, THE SAME SET OF QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY. HOWEVER, WHEN WE GET INTO SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE, SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT. WE BLEND THAT INTO THE PROCESS AS WELL. SO WE'RE NOT LIMITED BY IT, BUT WE TRY TO THAT'S IF THEY, THEY BRING IT FORWARD AS WELL. SO WE TRY TO HAVE IT BASICALLY THE SAME PLAYING FIELD, AND THEN YOU CAN EXPAND ON IT. WE USUALLY TRY TO SCHEDULE IT. SO IT'S NOT SO TIGHT. SO WE, WE LEAVE THAT OPEN AS WELL. SO IT KIND OF DOES EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE, BUT THAT'S OUR GENERAL APPROACH. AND, AND WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE THREE DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED WITH INTERVIEWING ONE PERSON BECAUSE THEY MAY OVERLAP. AND SO WE DEVELOP THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE EVEN GET DOWN TO THE LIST OF CANDIDATES THAT WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW. THANK YOU, MS. SCIENCE. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE NOW, AS YOU'RE FLESHING OUT THE DISCUSSION, THERE'S THREE THINGS, THREE MAIN LEGAL GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND, AND THAT IS FOR THE P AND Z IN THE CHARTER. SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE CHARTER THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE. SO IT CAN'T BE CHANGED BY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY MAJORITY VOTE OF COUNCIL. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. UH, BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WE CAN STRUCTURE IT WHERE IT'S, THERE'S KIND OF AN AGREEMENT WHERE THIS IS MY NOMINEE AND THE REST OF COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE AGREED TO THIS. WE'RE EACH GOING TO BRING FORWARD A, A NOMINEE THAT WOULD STILL WORK. IT'S JUST, WE HAVE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. ANYWAY. WOULD YOU BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE DID THAT THROUGH ORDINANCE VERSUS JUST VERBAL AGREEMENT? YES. YEAH. WE WOULD FLUSH IT OUT IN ORDINANCE. SO EVERYBODY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT LIVES ON BEYOND YOU AND IT'S SPELLED OUT. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AFTER RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD SELECTION COMMITTEE. AND SO THERE'S THIS CONCEPT OF A BOARD SELECTION COMMITTEE IN THE CHARTER. AND THEN YOU BUILD WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BY ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS BEEN THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS THAT, OKAY, SO THAT ORDINANCE HAS NOW IT SAYS THE BOARD SELECTION COMMITTEE IS COUNCIL. YES. YEAH. SO THERE, THERE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL THROUGH YOUR NOMINATION PROCESS, WE JUST HAVE TO SAT AS KIND OF CHECK OFF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS OPEN MEETINGS ACT WITH HOW YOUR WHO'S WHO'S INVOLVED IN THE, THE CAREER FAIR AND HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THERE. IF YOU'VE GOT PNZ MEMBERS, IF THERE'S A QUORUM, JUST POSTING REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING TO WATCH FOR AS YOU BUILD YOUR, YOUR APPLICATION PROCESS FOR PROTON, ROSS'S POINT ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO APPOINT? WHO ARE YOU GOING TO A POINT? IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, LIKE IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE, AS WE SEE HOW CHAOTIC IT GETS OUT HERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY OUT LOUD, WELL, I DON'T WANT THIS PERSON BECAUSE OF X. IT, IT FEELS LIKE A PERSONNEL MATTER. THAT SHOULD BE, YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MAKE FINAL DECISIONS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY P SO P AND Z P AND Z, AND THE BOA, MAYBE THE ETHICS COMMISSION WE'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK, BUT IT'S THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES AND OFFICERS HAVE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. SO IT'S ALSO AN UNEXPIRED TERMS FOR COUNCIL, RIGHT? WE DID THAT. RIGHT. YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL FOR THE LAST, THE LAST 12 MONTHS OF THE TERM, A PNC IS JUST ADVISORY THOUGH, RIGHT? THEY'RE ADVISORY FOR ZONING, BUT THEY MAKE FINAL DECISIONS FOR VARIANCES AND CONCEPT PLAN FINAL THAT FINAL FLAT. SO COUNSEL, I LIKE THE IDEA OF KIND OF NOMINATING SOMEBODY, BUT I LIKED WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS TOO, THAT YOU NEED TO VET THAT. SO I COME WITH TWO CANDIDATES, CHARLIE AND JOE, CHARLIE'S MY NUMBER ONE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE WHOLE COUNCIL. I MEAN, I LIKE THAT. THAT'S A BLEND OF THE DISCUSSION HERE. [03:40:01] IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'D BE THE MOST FAIR INSTEAD OF ME JUST APPOINTING SOMEBODY OR YOU OR ANYONE. WELL, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH IT AND TO CATHERINE'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO MEET WITH, OR TRY TO MEET WITH THEM. I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE IN ANYONE'S PURVIEW TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DISCUSSION IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULDN'T BE THE BETTER POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO HAVE MAYBE EVEN A COUPLE OF COUNCIL PEOPLE OR THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT THE SAME NOMINEE, IT'D BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO VET THAT OUT AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WHEN WE'RE MAKING A SUGGESTION, WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME DIRECTION. SO DO WE WANT TO DO OUR OWN APPOINTEES ON ALL THE BOARDS OR JUST P AND Z? I MEAN, P AND Z IS WHERE I'M AT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I THINK SO FOR THE REST OF THE BOARDS, WE CAN'T DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE CAN'T, OR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT APPOINTING OUR OWN PEOPLE. SO HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE HAVING ALL OF US UP HERE DOING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS? OR DO WE WANT TO GO TO A SELECTION COMMITTEE? I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF TELLING WHEN SOMEBODY'S CONSIDERING IT, WHAT THE JOB ACTUALLY IS. AND MAYBE, HEY, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE LIBRARY BOARD, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO A MEETING THAT IT WOULD ALL BE ON THE WEBSITE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CONVERSATION THAT'S HAD, BUT, AND THEN TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO REACH OUT TO MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOARD, UM, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, ARE WE ABLE TO, UH, LIKE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE PREFERENCE TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHOWN UP FOR MEETINGS FOR THE BOARD THAT THEY'RE RUNNING FOR. I DON'T KNOW THAT I NECESSARILY WANT TO DO THAT. OH, OKAY. GOTCHA. WELL THEN NEVERMIND. SO I, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE DO THE INTERVIEWS THAT'S WITH IT IS TYPICALLY, WELL RECENTLY IT'S BEEN BEFORE A MEETING BEFORE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. IF WE HAD A SEPARATE INTERVIEW MEETING, MAYBE IN THE SAN GABRIEL ROOM, IT'S JUST, UM, I MEAN, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ATTEND, BUT IT'S JUST NOT AS YOU KNOW YEAH. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE INTIMATE WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY. AND YOU KNOW, HER BUDDY JOE, OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HE'S OUR TROUBLE MAKER, JOE AND CHARLIE. I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T, I'M NOT AGREEING WITH THAT JOE AND CHARLIE. SO I, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHY, YOU KNOW YES. AND, AND IT NOT BE BECAUSE I DON'T EVER, EVER WANT ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO SERVE TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE OR CALLED OUT FOR ANYTHING, FOR ANY REASON THAT IS MADE PUBLIC, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THIS PERSON IS WHATEVER I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY. UM, AND, AND THESE ARE ALL HYPOTHETICAL PEOPLE, BUT THIS, THIS IS JUST A, WHAT IF, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL SINCE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT WITH EACH OTHER AND HOW THEY QUORUM. UH, IF IT IS A, IF IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, PEOPLE CAN ATTEND AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN AT LEAST DISCUSS IT OPENLY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS YOU'RE THINKING HAVE, UM, A SEPARATE DAY WHERE WE'RE JUST DOING INTERVIEWS AND WE DO THEM IN THE SAN GABRIEL ROOM AND KIND OF FLUSH OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO A POINT IN THERE DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. YEAH. I LOVE IT. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. WE COULD HOLD THE INTERVIEWS IN HERE, BUT NOT RECORD THEM, BUT OPEN UP WHERE YOU HAVE MORE SPACE AND WE CAN DO IT ON AN OFF NIGHT. THAT'S NOT A MEETING WHERE Y'ALL HAVE MORE SPACE IN HERE. UH, WE MOVED THEM AWAY FROM DOING THE SAME GABRIEL BECAUSE OF COVID AND DISTANCING, BUT WE COULD PUT THEM BACK IN THE SAN GABRIEL ROOM, OR WE COULD DO A SET UP IN HERE. THAT'S MORE SPACING. SO MAYBE WE COULD DECIDE AND NOT RECORD, NOT BE RECORDING OR ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL JUST HAVE THE INTERVIEWS AND WE CAN KEEP THE APPLICANTS OUTSIDE THE DOOR, IN THE FOYER. TED'S THIRD TURNED TO COME IN AND THEN WE CAN BRING THEM IN THAT WAY. IT'S JUST ONE-ON-ONE AND THE OTHER APPLICANTS AREN'T SITTING THERE LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND IF WE COULD JUST ALL BE DOWN THERE, SO IT'S VERY INFORMAL AND COMFORTABLE, WE CAN SET TABLES AND STUFF ON THE FLOOR AND MAKE IT AN OFF NIGHT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. MORE TIME EVEN FIGHTING WITH THE COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT, TOO. YEAH. YEAH. I MADE IT, I THINK I MADE MY ONLY POINT WAS ABOUT THE SELECTION OF PNZ. THAT'S THE ONE I WANTED. OKAY. I HOPE HE DIDN'T KNOW JOE AND CHARLIE. WELL, DO YOU, NOT REAL PEOPLE YES. WANT TO DO COMMITTEE [03:45:01] OR DO WE WANT ALL OF IT OR DO WE WANT TO JUST DAR OR SHOULD WE JUST POST IT? AND WHOEVER WANTS TO BE INVOLVED QUESTIONING CAN SHOW UP FROM US. OR, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT MAKING A FINAL DECISION, THEY DON'T NEED QUORUM. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THEN, AND THAT'LL ANSWER THE COMMITTEE OR NOT COMMITTEE QUESTION FOR US. SO THEN IN THAT SITUATION, SAY THREE PEOPLE DO THE INTERVIEWS. THEN WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION. THIS IS WHAT I DISCOVERED. THESE ARE MY FEELINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE. SO THAT WOULD BE SHARED AT THE SAME TIME. IS THAT RIGHT? CAN WE DO THAT? PERFECT. BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE PERFECT. YES. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS FOR THE OCTOBER APPOINTMENTS, OTHER THAN PNC, ARE WE GOING TO ADD, ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE UP THE APPLICATION PROCESS? ALSO? WE CAN GET TO THAT, BUT AS FAR AS INTERVIEWS, ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? THAT NIGHT? YES, EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. SO WE'LL DO THAT FOR INTERVIEWS. YES. ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY. UM, OKAY. APPLICATION, WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS? WELL, I'M JUST, UH, THAT I THINK IT WOULD, IT, I DON'T, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO MAYBE CHANGE UP THE APPLICATION A LITTLE BIT. AND I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EXPECTING A TERM PAPER FROM ANYONE, BUT JUST, OR A COUPLE OF, UM, THESE ARE SOME QUESTIONS YOU COULD BE ASKED. HERE'S SOME THOUGHTS, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE, MAYBE ONE, MAYBE TWO QUESTIONS. AGAIN, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO, UM, ANYTHING SUPER LONG AND DRAWN OUT. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME TWEAKS THAT WE COULD PUT IN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS THAT MAY HELP PEOPLE EITHER REALIZE THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO, OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THEY DON'T AND GOING TO THE THING OF, YOU KNOW, WANTING SOMEBODY THAT WOULD JUST WANTS TO SIT AND READ BOOKS OR DO PROGRAMMING THAT LIBRARY. BUT IT'S REALLY, WE NEED THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY FUNDRAISING TO TELL PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT AND WE COULD DRAW MORE PEOPLE IN ALSO. AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK, UM, AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE TREND THAT'S, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB, LETTING THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS. HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WE DO THAT? RIGHT. THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THEY'RE SMARTER THAN ME. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? SORRY. GET YOUR STEPS IN. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON CHANGING THE APPLICATION TO A WEB FORM ON OUR SITE THAT COULD HAVE THE LITTLE INFORMATION EYES ON THERE THAT YOU COULD HOVER OVER? CLICK ON TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT EACH BOARD AND, UM, AND IT WOULD BE DYNAMIC. SO AS WE ADD ON CHARTER REVIEW, OR IF WE TAKE SOMETHING AWAY, WE COULD JUST REMOVE THOSE BOXES. SO THE THERE'S PROBABLY TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT THE APPLICATION WHERE PEOPLE DOWNLOAD THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY APPLYING, I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME PAGE. IT ALSO HAS LINKS TO ALL OF THE BOARDS THAT THEY SHOW INTEREST IN. SO WE DO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY. IN FACT, WE CAN TAKE THE FORM THAT WE HAVE AND MAKE THAT A WEB FORM THAT'S THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY VERY EASILY DO THAT. UM, I DO, I, I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING MAYBE A VERY SMALL GROUP OF QUESTIONS, MAYBE HAVE YOU SERVED ON A SIMILAR BOARD IN THE PAST, OR HAVE YOU ATTENDED MEETINGS OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS SIMPLY JUST ADDING TO THAT FORM. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY FILL IT OUT, THEY CAN ALSO UPLOAD THE RESUME THE SAME WAY, UM, AND DELIVER IT ENTIRELY ELECTRONICALLY. UM, ONE THING WE CAN DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA RATHER THAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S ALL OF OUR BOARD OPENINGS, UH, DECIDE ON WHAT YOU WANT, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, ACTUALLY DO SOME MAYBE PROFILE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL BOARD GROUP AND SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, PUSHED FORWARD BY EACH OF THESE GROUPS IN THE PAST. SO TAKE MAYBE, AND NOW WOULD PROBABLY BE THE TIME TO DO IT SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPENINGS IN THE NEXT MONTH, BUT BASICALLY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, TAKE A DIFFERENT BOARD AND DESCRIBE IT, WHAT IT DOES. IT'S FOCUSED AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE BOARD ACTIONS AND ACTIVITIES. SO WE CAN ADD TO THAT CONNECTING, LIKE REAL-WORLD STORIES WITH IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, WITHOUT DIGGING INTO TOO MUCH OF EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS AND THERE, YEAH. I MEAN, I'M JUST, IT NEEDS TO, IN MY MIND IT NEEDS MORE THAN ANYTHING. IT NEEDS TO BE AT CATCHING, RIGHT. AND NOT GOVERNMENT EASE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY AND I KNOW WITH ALL THE CHANGES COMING UP, [03:50:01] I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, BUT WE NEED PEOPLE TO WANT TO STOP ON THAT POST AND CLICK ON THAT LINK, RIGHT. TO GO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT, AND, AND ALSO BRINGING FOCUS TO WHAT, UM, KIND OF COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE FROM THESE BOARD GROUPS. UM, WE KNOW P AND Z HAS, HAS A MISSION AND, UH, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY IRONED OUT. BUT AS FAR AS PUBLIC ART AND HISTORIC COMMISSION AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT ADULT ADVISORY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE DRIVEN BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND THE OBJECTIVES CAN BE VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE COUNCIL GROUP IN THE YEAR. UM, SO I KNOW I'VE HEARD THAT FROM, FROM MEMBERS ON OCCASION, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR DIRECTION, WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING? AND, AND HOW CAN WE WE'LL JUST BRING OUR OWN IDEAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THOSE TO BE IMMEDIATELY SHUT DOWN IF THAT'S NOT COUNCIL'S VISION. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, UM, IN THE LONGTERM, I THINK GENERATING INTEREST IS BRINGING FOCUS EACH OF THESE GROUPS AND, AND HOW WE CAN BETTER DIRECT THEM, UH, AT THE STAFF LEVEL, ESPECIALLY YOUR LIAISON. BUT I THINK HAVING KNOWN THAT WEB FORM, THOSE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, HERE'S THE MISSION AND HERE'S THE CADENCE OF MEETINGS IT'S ONCE A YEAR OR IT'S TWICE A MONTH OR SO YOU'RE PUTTING THAT BEFORE THAT PERSON. SO THEY'RE REALLY COMMITTING TO THAT. WE SORT OF SEPARATED THAT FROM THE APPLICATION. WE CAN ALWAYS COMBINE THOSE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IF IT'S A WEB FORM, WE'LL STILL HAVE THE LINKS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ENCOURAGING, WE DO THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. HAVE YOU READ THE AGENDA BEFORE YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN FOR A COMMENT ON AN ISSUE AND THEY HAVE TO OPT IN AND SAY, YES, I DID READ THE AGENDA. I KNOW WHICH AGENDA ITEM I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO IT CAN BE SORT OF A, UH, A CHECK BOX SAYING, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, YES, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THIS BOARD CONSISTS OF, WHAT THE BEATING DATES ARE. AND I CAN COMMIT TO, UM, TO ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATE. I MEAN, THE LIBRARY BOARD IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT IT IS, IT'S FUNDRAISING AND THERE'S CONFUSION THERE. RIGHT? SO I FEEL IT SHOULD POP UP A SECOND QUESTION UNDERNEATH IF YOU SELECT THAT, THIS SAYS, YOU REALIZE THIS IS JUST FUNDRAISING, RIGHT. RIGHT. ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS MIGHT BE FOR GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT THERE, SENDING SOMETHING WITH OUR ELECTRONIC OR MAIL UTILITY STATEMENTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE THAT WOULD BE, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD EVEN GET DONE. BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR REALLY DRIVEN BY THAT, THEY STILL MAY WANT TO VOLUNTEER IF THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION. SO WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE'RE GEARING UP TO DO NOW? AND OF COURSE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WATER OR UTILITY INFORMATION IN, IN THESE INSERTS. BUT, UM, BILL INSERTS ARE ONE OF OUR SORT OF CHARGES FOR THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE THIS NEXT YEAR. UM, IT WON'T JUST HAVE UTILITY INFORMATION THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A LOT TO SHARE, UM, WE'LL TRY TO INCLUDE SOME CALENDAR OF, UH, MEETINGS AND ACTIVITIES, AND THEN PROMOTE AT THE RIGHT TIMES, PROMOTE THINGS LIKE BOARDS AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS AND OTHER VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT WAS SORT OF ONE OF MY IDEAS BEHIND DOING LIKE A JOB FAIR STYLE EVENT IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE SORT OF THING THAT WOULD SPREAD WHERE PEOPLE WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT IN THE MEDIA AND FROM FRIENDS AND WHATNOT. AND THEY'LL GO TO AN EVENT VERSUS THEY MIGHT NOT BE INTERESTED IF THEY JUST READ THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR COMMISSIONERS. I FEEL LIKE IT CHANGES THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S SORT OF A LOW PRESSURE WAY TO EXPLORE. SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK COULD BE DONE FOR THIS NEXT CYCLE OF APPOINTMENTS IN TIME? I THINK SO. IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, EVERY COMMISSION COMING UP WITH JUST A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY PULL IT TOGETHER. IT'S LOW KEY. YEAH. WE COULD EVEN GET FROM EACH OF THE BOARDS, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON HOW TO RECRUIT BETTER FOR EACH OF THE BOARD GROUPS. YEAH. WHAT THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A COUNTERPART APPOINTEE. DOES OUR APPLICATION PROCESS CURRENTLY HAVE AN ETHICS AGREEMENT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ETHICS STATEMENT THAT THEY SIGNED OR ANYTHING FORMALLY. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WORKING INTO THIS NEW WEBPAGE APPLICATION, WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE GOING TO DO. I LIKE IT. I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED, SORRY, WITH THROWING A BUNCH AT YOU. UM, I'D BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE ONE OF THE CHECK BOXES HAVING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO. I JUST WANT TO VOLUNTEER BECAUSE I THINK EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW GATHERING THAT INFORMATION AND HAVING THOSE METRICS, WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING WITH THAT SINCE WE KEEP THE APPLICATIONS ON FILE FOR TWO YEARS. YES. UM, AND WHEN WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY, WE CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THEM. WE ACTUALLY, YEAH. WE COULD CREATE AN ADDITIONAL BOX MAYBE AS PART OF THE APPLICATION FILL OUT, UM, THAT IF YOU'RE UNDECIDED, YOU JUST CHECKED ON DECIDED BOX. WE DO KEEP THEM ON A LIST, ESPECIALLY, UM, ONES THAT MAYBE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. WEREN'T SELECTED. WE STILL MAINTAIN THOSE. AND WE DO REACH OUT TO THEM WHEN WE HAVE EACH SEASONAL ISSUE OF APPOINTMENTS, SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS? ARE WE ALL GOOD? OKAY. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON HERE? [03:55:02] UM, POSSIBLE ITEMS CONSIDERED FOR FORMALLY ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE COULD BE MEETING TIME LENGTHS. IS THAT FOR THE COMMITTEES THEMSELVES? YES. OKAY. CORRECT. RIGHT. THIS WOULD JUST BE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES. OKAY. SO THE THINGS WE COULD THINK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO HAVE RULES FOR ADVISORY COMMITTEES, MEETING TIME LENGTH, UM, THE CHAIR SERVING AS A ONE-YEAR APPOINTMENT, UM, PERSONAL BUSINESSES AND OR NONPROFIT WORK MUST BE SEPARATE FROM THE CITY. UM, AND THEN TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS MUST USE CITY ISSUED ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND EMAIL ADDRESSES, AND PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AGENDA ITEMS SHOULD NOT BE REDISCUSSED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR MEMBERS WHO DID NOT PARTICIPATE DUE TO ABSENCE LATE ARRIVAL. UM, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. UM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY WORK WITH VARIOUS CHAIRS OF THE BOARDS TO, TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE THAT THEY SEE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO ADDRESS OR WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? I THINK STAFF LIAISONS ARE A GREAT RESOURCE. HOW'S THAT FOR SAY THESE ROLES? THESE SEEM PRETTY BASIC TO ME. SO I DON'T, I THINK MOST EVERYBODY COULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING THIS AND IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS NEED SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC, I MEAN, WE COULD REACH OUT OR THEY COULD REACH OUT TO ADD SOMETHING, BUT THESE SEEM TO BE SOMETHING EVERYBODY COULD BENEFIT OF HAVING ADOPTED. YEAH. SO ARE WE THINKING, DOING ONE SET OF, UM, RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WOULD JUST APPLY TO ALL THE ADVISORIES, SORRY, DOTTED WEEK TO HAVE IT DONE BY ORDINANCE, AS PART OF THAT SECTION OF THE BOARD AND COMMISSION SECTION FOR GENERAL RULES. AND WE JUST MAKE IT IN THAT SECTION, WE COULD ADD IT. AND ONE ADDITIONAL THING PNC HAS REQUESTED TO CHANGE THEIR START TIME FROM SEVEN TO 6:00 PM. DOES THAT HAVE TO BE IN AN ORDINANCE FROM US? IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN AN ORDINANCE ANYWHERE. WE COULDN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE IN THE ORDINANCE. SO HOW DO THEY CHANGE THEIR TIME? THEY COULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS THE BOARD PAGE. DO YOU SEE ANY REASON THAT P AND Z COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION MOTION, MOTION TO CHANGE THEIR START TIME TO 6:00 PM? LIKE OTHER BOARDS DO THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A HAND IN HOW THAT GETS DONE, IT SHOULD BE BY ORDINANCE. IF THE BOARD AND COMMISSION HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE AND THEY WORK WITH THE STAFF ON IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE FINE TOO. EITHER ONE WORKS DO Y'ALL HAVE A PREFERENCE. CAUSE I, I DON'T CARE IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN OPERATE AT SIX. I'M GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. YEAH. HOW ARE Y'ALL WHAT'S THAT? ESPECIALLY ON THE LONGER NIGHTS, RIGHT? WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT P AND Z TOO, DID THE, DID THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM TO USE THE CITY ISSUED ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND EMAIL ADDRESSES? DID THAT COME FROM THEM? FROM US, FROM STAFF, FROM, OKAY. IT'D BE EASIER THAT WAY TOO. OKAY. GOT IT. COMFORTABLE IF, UM, THE STAFF LIAISONS WANT TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT THEY WANT SPECIFICALLY AND AN ORDINANCE I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH IT ALL. UM, YOU ALL ARE THE, THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND THAT SEE IT AND YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT THE LONGEVITY WHERE YOU'RE GOING BETWEEN DIFFERENT BOARDS IN DIFFERENT YEARS. SO, UH, WE'LL TRUST YOUR EYES. YEAH. OTHER STAFF LIAISON, SOME PAGE TO GET SOMETHING DRAFTED, TO BRING BEFORE Y'ALL, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL. COUNSEL, CAN WE INCLUDE THE ETHICS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON WAS TALKING ABOUT? YES MA'AM. OKAY. CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PERSONAL BUSINESS, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF DECLARATION OR THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ETHICS ITEM TO ME, BUT SO THIS JUST CAME UP AT CAP COG ON OUR ADVISORY BOARDS. UM, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE ADVISORY BOARDS REVIEW THE ETHICS ORDINANCE AND AFFIRM IT ONCE A YEAR. UM, THAT WAY WE KNOW THAT IT'S IT'S RECORDED, THAT THEY'VE BEEN REMINDED AND ESPECIALLY ON THESE BOARDS THAT DON'T MEET REAL FREQUENTLY. UM, IT'S JUST [04:00:01] A REMINDER TO KEEP THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS OUT. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, ANYTHING ELSE, ANYONE JUST TO COMMENT ON THE MEETING TIME LENGTH? I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE, UM, DEFINITELY INPUT FROM, UH, FROM US FROM THE STAFF. I, I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERY, UM, EVERY ITEM LISTED HERE WOULD APPLY TO EVERY BOARD. SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, UM, MAKING IT APPROPRIATE AND FITTING FOR, FOR EACH COMMITTEE. UH, AND AS WELL AS, UH, THERE MAY BE TIMES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT COMING UP AND THAT COMMITTEE IS PLANNING FOR THAT. SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD VOTE THEMSELVES LIKE, OKAY, THE NEXT MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE A THREE HOUR MEETING. UM, I MEAN THAT SOUNDS FLEXIBILITY. YES, YES. IT GIVES THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. NOT THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A THREE HOUR MEETING JUST TO SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT STUFF. UM, BUT IT'S, IT IS IT'S NECESSARY TO GET THE SPECIAL EVENT GOING OR WHATEVER THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON. SO I THINK THEY'RE JUST GIVING EACH COMMITTEE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO, TO MANAGE ITSELF WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE CITY LIAISON. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT HAVE HAVING SAT THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BOARD MEETINGS FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS. I THINK THAT THAT ALSO HELPS TO ESTABLISH SOME RETENTION FOR A LOT OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO MAY HAVE COMMITTED TO VOLUNTEERING AND ATTEND MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATE, BUT AREN'T NECESSARILY COMMITTED TO AN OPEN-END OF, YOU KNOW, FOUR HOUR, FIVE HOUR MEETINGS OF AN ADVISORY BOARD. SO, UM, JUST LIKE THE START TIMES MEETING START TIMES, WE CAN, OUR STAFF LIAISONS CAN KIND OF HELP FACILITATE, UH, SETTING SOME BOUNDARIES FOR EACH OF THE BOARDS AND THEY MAY BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE BOARD GROUP. UM, NOT NECESSARILY DICTATING THAT FROM A, FROM AN ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE OR I THINK IT HELPS WITH THE EFFICIENCY PART. CAUSE I THINK WITH, I THINK WE CAN ALL ATTEST TO THE NEVER-ENDING MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY SAID THE SAME THING 15 TIMES. IT'S LIKE, LET'S JUST MOVE ON. AND I THINK BY DOING THAT WELL WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT A LITTLE MAKE PEOPLE FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE. RIGHT. AND I DO THINK IT WILL ABSOLUTELY HELP WITH RETENTION FOR, FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE NO AWARENESS OF PARTICIPATING PRIOR TO COMING TO THEIR FIRST BOARD MEETING TWO. I THINK THAT IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THEIR OWN MEETING TIME, UH, BECAUSE YOU CHANGE THE BOARD, IF THE MAJORITY ARE, LET'S SAY THEY'RE ALL RETIRED AND THEY CAN MEET WHENEVER. UH, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE PERSON THAT CAN'T GET THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING THAT CAN BE FLEXIBLE BASED ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE COMMITTEE. I MEAN, NOT A DRAMATIC CHANGE, BUT JUST, JUST GIVE THEM SOME, SOME CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN COMMITTEE. I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THAT ORDINANCE ABOUT, UM, ABOUT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, CONTACTING STAFF, UM, AND JUST SORT OF ENSURING THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY GO TO THEIR CHAIR AND THE CHAIR GOES TO THE LIAISON OR HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO THAT. BUT I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN ISSUES WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS JUST CONTACTING RANDOM STAFF MEMBERS. EXACTLY. WE NEED THE, THE CHAIN. YES. UM, AND THEN WHEN, WHEN THERE ARE PROBLEMATIC MEMBERS OR PROBLEMATIC COMMITTEES, HOW DOES COUNCIL GET NOTIFIED OF THESE GOING FORWARD? HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT? BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE NOTIFIED. YEAH. SO SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE HIS COMPLAINT, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE A COMPLAINT IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WE ADOPT FOR THEM AND SOMEBODY ISN'T FOLLOWING THEM, HOW DO WE GET TOLD? SO THAT INFORMATION IS PROBABLY EITHER COMING FROM STAFF OR FROM THE COMMITTEE ITSELF. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THAT DYNAMIC LOOKS LIKE AS WELL. OKAY. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK, AND I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW THE ANSWER FAIR, BUT THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE SOURCE OF IT WOULD BE A STAFF OBSERVATION OR A, I THINK IT WOULD COME FROM STAFF PROBABLY OR A COMMITTEE OBSERVATION. RIGHT. SO, WELL, AND IF IT'S A COMMITTEE OBSERVATION, THEN THEY GO TO THEIR STAFF. LIAISON WOULD BE MY THINKING. SO IT'S STILL COME TO US THROUGH STAFF MOST LIKELY. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED A PROTOCOL FOR HOW IT GETS TO US. WOULD IT COME TO US TO DO WHAT, TO KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE AND THEN DO WHAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHOULDN'T REALLY FLOW FROM, I GUESS, THE MORE SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL BREACHES OF THE BYLAWS AND THE, AND THE OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR THAT COMMITTEE. [04:05:01] SO THAT WAY IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE UN POSSIBLY EVEN VETTED BY, UM, EITHER CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GET ALONG. ISN'T A REASON. SO WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT SITUATION TO ARISE EITHER. SO A STAFF MEMBER AND A COMMITTED MEMBERS, DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER, THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY, THAT'S NOT REASON ENOUGH. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES BECAUSE WHAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT IS EVERYONE THEN BEING AFRAID TO SERVE. IF YOU HAD ONESIES, TWOSIES ISSUES COME UP AND PEOPLE GET REMOVED, THEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT ARE VIOLATING THIS RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT REGULARLY. RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S A THRESHOLD OF CERTAIN TYPES OF ISSUES COME TO COUNCIL AND OTHERS EARN WHEN IT BECOMES RESOLVED ON THE COMMITTEE LEVEL BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE STAFF, THEY'RE USUALLY THE STAFF'S FIRST THING THEY'LL DO IS TRY TO GET COMPLIANCE RIGHT WITH THE COMMITTEE MEMBER. AND SO IT SHOULD BE, I WOULD THINK IT NEEDS IF IT, IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT CAN'T BE HANDLED INTERNALLY ANYMORE, MEANING WITH THE LIAISON OR THE COMMITTEE THEMSELVES, I MEAN, IT WOULD NEED TO GET PRETTY BAD FOR SOMETHING TO HAVE TO COME THROUGH US TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. BUT I WOULD TRUST THAT THAT WOULD BE HANDLED AMONG THE COMMITTEE IN THAT STAFF LIAISON. INITIALLY I THINK NINE OUT OF 10 PROBLEMS PROBABLY. BUT I THINK THAT AT THE POINT THAT SOMETHING GETS TO YOU AS OUR ATTORNEY, WE SHOULD KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE IN CHARGE OF THOSE APPOINTMENTS AND WE SHOULD KNOW WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM. UM, IF IT'S A DYNAMIC THING, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IF THEIR MEETINGS ARE RUNNING SUPER LATE AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL SHOULD KNOW ABOUT TOO, BECAUSE WE ARE IN CHARGE OF APPOINTING THEM AND, AND SORT OF GIVING SOME DIRECTION OF YOU CAN'T DO THIS SAT. IT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE THE STAFF LIAISON GOING, I'M TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS AND LOCKING THE DOOR. YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS MEETING ADJOURNED, WE, IT WAS TWO HOURS. IT'S EIGHT. THAT'S FAIR. Y'ALL NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE LEAVING. YEAH. I AM, TO ME, WE SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT ON ANYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ALL THE LITTLE INS AND OUTS. I MEAN, THAT SHOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO TO ETHICS. THAT'S NOT, UNLESS THERE WAS AN ETHICS HAD A SEPARATE ETHICS THAT WAS JUST OVER ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE INDEX. WELL, NOT, NOT OUR OFFICIAL ETHICS, BUT HAD A SEPARATE, JUST THAT, THAT IS OVER THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT. OUR, OUR ETHICS COMMISSION DOES IT ONLY FOR ETHICS ORDINANCE VIOLATION, ETHICS, ETHICS ORDINANCE. IF THE, THROUGH THE, IF THERE WAS A CON, IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF ETHICS ORDINANCE AND THERE'S A COMPLAINT MADE, THEN THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE ETHICS COMMISSION. OKAY. SO THAT IF THERE WAS A, JUST A LOCAL, I MEAN, JETSTAR, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONS WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE CITY STAFF AND WE'RE STILL HAVING A PROBLEM. YOU TURN THAT OVER TO OUR ETHICS BOARD. NO, WE WOULD, IF IT'S NOT AN ETHICS VIOLATION ULTIMATELY COMES TO COUNCIL WHO'S COUNSEL, BUT I'M SAYING WE'RE KIND OF YEAH. TRYING TO ADOPT, OKAY. JUST RULES OF PROCEDURE, NOT REALLY ETHICS, BUT I GUESS A RULES OF PROCEDURE COMMITTEE FOR ALL OF THEM BEFORE IT COMES TO US. OR IS THAT JUST DARK? THAT'S DARK. WHY DON'T WE, WE CAN, WE CAN BRAINSTORM WITH DAR DAR EVERYBODY GETS A DAR. I THINK IF WE'VE BRAINSTORMED WITH STAFF, THE STAFF LIAISON IS ABOUT, CAUSE THEY'LL KNOW WHAT KIND OF, WHAT ISSUES THEY SEE AND HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THEM. OKAY. THEN I THINK WE CAN HAVING REAL LIFE EXAMPLES WOULD INFORM OUR PROCESS THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION. ALL RIGHT. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? NO, JUST ONE. WELL, I GUESS YES. ONE RANDOM THOUGHT IS WITH THE CHANGING IN TOM, WITH P AND Z, WHICH I WOULD'VE LOVED FOR HER TO START AT SIX. SO, BUT, UM, I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST BUD, LIKE FOR THAT DECISION, I GUESS, TO BE MADE PRIOR TO THESE NEXT OF INTERVIEWS, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE AND ANYBODY THAT'S ON THE COMMISSION NOW TO BE OKAY WITH THAT CHANGE. UM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TO MAKE SOMEBODY HAVE TO REMOVE THEMSELVES BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE THAT TOM SHIFT BECAUSE OF OTHER COMMITMENTS. BUT AS THOSE COMING IN, IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO HAPPEN WITH OCTOBER AND THAT THE EXISTING COMMISSIONERS NEED TO BE ON BOARD WITH THAT, THAT'S FAIR. SO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE APPOINTMENTS. WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT IT WOULD CHANGE WITH THEM, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY IS, THAT'S NOT UP FOR LIKE SETTING PROPER EXPECTATIONS. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING IN SHOULD CHANGE BEFORE. RIGHT? HELLO. HI. WE'LL BRING IT UP AT OUR NEXT P AND Z MEETING. I'VE ONLY TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THEM, SO THEY HAVEN'T ALL UNANIMOUSLY AGREED, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW IF WE COULD DO IT SO I CAN, I CAN PULL THE GROUP. [04:10:01] YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T PUT AN UNDUE BURDEN ON SOMEBODY, BUT DEFINITELY THAT SHIFT WOULD BE GREAT. AND HOPEFULLY YOU GET TO GO HOME AN HOUR EARLIER THOSE NIGHTS. I WOULD LOVE IT. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DO NUMBER SEVEN REAL QUICK BEFORE OUR AFTERNOON BREAK. UM, DO I, OH GOODNESS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE. IT'S DID SOMEONE ASK FOR THIS ON HERE? LIKE, DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO LEAD THIS? NOBODY I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT. GOSH, WE WERE TUBING THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION. WHEN IT WAS SAID, IT WAS ALSO SAID THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE FROM EPIDIDYMIS AND THERE'S NO CHANGES TO IT THEN. THAT'S FINE. MILAN. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY APPLIES TO P AND Z AND IT ALSO APPLIES TO CITY COUNCIL. SO JUST KIND OF A REFRESHER FOR WHAT THOSE PROCEDURES ARE, SOCIAL MEDIA ENCOURAGING US ALL TO READ IT. YEAH. GOTCHA. YEAH. THAT'S FAIR. ALL RIGHT. DID ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS IT AT ALL? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON THEN. UM, SO NUMBER SEVEN, HOME RULE, CHARTER [7. Discuss conducting a Home Rule Charter review.] REVIEW, UH, HOME RULE CHARTER HAS TO BE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS. THAT WOULD, THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE WAS IN THE LATTER HALF OF 2017, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WOULD BE DUE TO COME UP AGAIN. THE LATTER HALF OF 2022, WHICH PUTS IT ANY CHANGES THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, WANTS TO PUT INTO PLACE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A BALLOT MAY OF 20, 23, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MUNICIPAL ELECTION IN MAY OF 2023. SO MY THINKING WAS, UH, WE'VE ALL FOUND ISSUES IN THE CHARTER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. UM, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND CONVENE THEM NOW AND GET IT ON THIS NEXT BALLOT AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS. THE MONEY HAVE AN ELECTION IN TWO YEARS, THAT'S GOING TO BE LOW TURNOUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY PEOPLE ON. IT'LL JUST HAVE PROPOSITIONS. SURE. WE'RE ALL ON BOARD. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION HAVING SERVED ON IT BEFORE, AND I'M SURE, UH, COUNSELOR PENN TILIAN PARKER WILL, WILL UNDERSTAND THIS TOO. UM, WHEN WE DID IT IN 2017, NONE OF US HAD BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY THAT MUCH LIKE ON COMMISSIONS AND WHATNOT. AND THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS NOW THAT I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CHARTER HAVING BEEN INVOLVED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS, BUT I SAID LIKE, OH, WE SHOULD HAVE CHANGED THAT. OR WE DIDN'T FORESEE THIS. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE THIS TIME THAT ARE ON IT THAT HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CHARTER IS AND HOW THE CHANGES TO IT. IMPACT CITY FUNCTIONS. JUST MY 2 CENTS. I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY ON THERE HAS TO BE, BUT MY 2 CENTS YEP. HAVING SERVED ON THERE BEFORE. UM, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT IN LIKE, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS, THE, UM, LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION SINCE IT WAS ELECTION SEASON WITH, UM, WITH REMOVAL OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND IT USED TO BE THAT WE HAD SUCH LOW TURNOUT THAT WE MADE THE THRESHOLD TO REMOVE LIKE 90%, WHICH NOW WITH THE TROUT NUMBERS WE HAVE, THAT'S CRAZY. IT'S THOUSANDS OF DOORS. UM, SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO BE REVISED. UM, AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE SOME CLEANUP ISSUES THAT WERE LEFT OVER FROM LAST TIME. AND, UM, MORE THAT HAVE COME UP WITH SOME, SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, THE WAY IT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY WAS, UM, JUST INTERVIEW, JUST LIKE A NORMAL, UM, BOARD AND COMMISSION. AND THEN WHEN WE WERE ALL SWORN IN, UM, MAYOR FIELDER, WHO WAS THE MAYOR AT THE TIME, AND I THINK A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, MS. SPONSLER MIGHT REMEMBER, I WANT TO SAY THEY ALL MET WITH US AT A TABLE RIGHT HERE AND TOLD US LIKE THEIR PRIORITY ITEMS, UM, FOR US TO LOOK AT. AND I DON'T THINK WE, UM, APPROVED ALL OF THEM IN THE END, BUT WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT THEY POINTED OUT TO US AS LIKE GUIDANCE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT AGAIN. SO IF YOU ALL WANT TO READ THROUGH THE CHARTER AND, AND GET A FEEL FOR WHERE YOU SEE PROBLEMS, UM, MAKE A LIST AND LET'S GIVE THAT, THAT TO OUR NEW PEOPLE. UM, SO CAN WE, I GUESS WE WOULD, UM, PUT THAT ON THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, UM, CAP MEETING, IT'S GETTING, I NEED MORE COFFEE [04:15:01] TO TAKE ACTION TO SET UP A CHARTER REVIEW. SO THEN WE CAN START TAKING, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR IN INTERVIEW THEM AND POINTING OCTOBER. OKAY. SOUNDS PERFECT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO ADD OR TALK ABOUT HERE? JUST, UM, SO IF WE REVIEW THIS FOR LIKE THE MAY ELECTION, THEN IT'LL BE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CHARTER. YOU CAN DO IT SOONER, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT ANY LATER. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME GOING FORWARD TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT IT ON A PEOPLE BALLOT YEAR, RIGHT. WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE AN ELECTION GOING. YEAH. I THINK WE WERE AT THE CHURCH WHEN THAT DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE. WE WERE ON THE STAGE MAYBE. OH, PRESENTED. YEAH. WE WERE ON THE STAGE. YES. AT THE END. I THINK OUR INTERFERENCE OVER HERE, THOSE BRIDGE, THIS CLOSED. YEAH. UM, SO JUST A THOUGHT, YOU, YOU MENTIONED HAVING SOMEBODY THAT HAS SERVED, I THINK THAT'S GOOD, BUT I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIMIT IT TO THAT. YEAH, NO, NO, NO. I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. AND PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT YEARS THAT HAVE SERVED, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE DID IT, WE HAD ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE CHANGE? WHAT WAS THAT CHANGE? UM, BECAUSE WE WOULD SEE THINGS AND THINK LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T NECESSARILY APPROVE OF THIS, BUT THERE'S NO BACKGROUND TO IT. UM, AND I THINK HAVING PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON THOSE PAST YEARS, UM, CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, LIKE THE WHOLE THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND APPOINTING OUR OWN PERSON, THAT WAS THE CHARTER CHANGE. AND I MET SOMEBODY WHO WAS ON THAT CHART REVIEW LIKE A YEAR AGO. AND I WAS LIKE, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME FINALLY THAT I WAS ABLE TO HEAR AND THEY HAD VERY GOOD THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT. IT JUST DIDN'T END UP WORKING. UM, BUT I THINK HAVING SOME OF THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, EVEN IF WE'RE JUST INVITING IN PEOPLE WHO PREVIOUSLY SERVED TO COME IN HERE AND THERE, AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, SO YOU CAN COME IN AND SPEAK AND OBSERVE, LIKE, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT. CAUSE THAT I THINK WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST STRUGGLES WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHERE CERTAIN RULES CAME FROM. WELL, I THINK AT THE SAME TIME THEY WERE WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SERVE ON ANYTHING WAS A CHALLENGE, DIFFERENT CITY IN 2017, NO QUESTION. IT WAS NO QUESTIONS, NO QUESTIONS. RIGHT. WELL, AND EVERYBODY THAT HAD APPLIED FOR CHARTER REVIEW, WE ALL GOT ON THERE JUST WITH ONE ALTERNATE, WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE PERFECT. WE SHOULD DEFINITELY WRITE THAT WITH ALTERNATIVES. UM, BUT YEAH, IT WAS JUST SUCH A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH ALTERNATIVES. JUST HAVING ONE, THE CHARTER REVIEW TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE OR TWO ALLOWED ON IT. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT TURNED OUT GREAT. WHEN WE WERE CLOSE TO NOT HAVING FORUM. ONE OF YOU I'M SO SORRY, YOU CAN ONLY AMEND THE CHARTER EVERY TWO YEARS. SO THAT'S IT. THAT'S ANOTHER LIMITATION ON THE LOW SIDE. OKAY. IF YOU, SO IF IT DOESN'T GET ON THE BALLOT IN MAY, YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT TWO MORE YEARS BEFORE YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT, THE VOTERS. OKAY. YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYBODY'S LISTS. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, IT IS 3 21. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR AFTERNOON. 15 MINUTE BREAK. PLEASE BE BACK AT ANY MORE COFFEE. 15 MINUTES, 3 37. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 3 39. WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER [8. Discuss creating a Youth Advisory Council.] EIGHT, I THINK, DISCUSS CREATING A YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL. UM, SO THIS HAS COME UP IN THE PAST. UM, IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES DO, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT LEANDER DOES. UM, AND I'VE HEARD THAT ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WAS ONE, UM, IT MIGHT'VE JUST BEEN INFORMAL, BUT I KNOW KIDS THAT SUPPOSEDLY SERVED ON IT. UM, YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN UP YOUR AGENDAS, THERE'S UM, THERE'S A WHOLE BIG WRITE-UP ABOUT YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSIONS IN GENERAL, BUT IF YOU SKIP FORWARD SEVERAL PAGES, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PAGES. IT STARTS WITH LEANDER YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL. AND UM, SO WHAT HAPPENED IS A RESIDENT APPROACHED US A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, LIKE TWO OR THREE MONTHS, RIGHT BEFORE COVID HIT AND SAID THEY HAD SERVED ON A YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL ELSEWHERE AND THEY LOVED IT AND THEY WANTED TO, UM, BRING IT BACK AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE ONE HERE. AND, UM, AND HE MET WITH A FEW OF US. IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND THEN COVID HIT AND THE WHOLE THING JUST KIND OF GOT SHELVED. AND SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD BRING THIS BACK AND TALK ABOUT MAKING IT OFFICIAL AND WE COULD, UH, LAUNCH IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND LET IT CORRELATE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD. SO [04:20:01] YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSION IS JUST A GROUP OF TEENAGERS, HIGH SCHOOL AGED KIDS THAT, UM, THAT SERVE JUST LIKE A COUNCIL. AND THEY'LL HEAR TEEN ISSUES. THEY'LL ADVISE ON, UM, THINGS THAT ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO THEM, WHETHER IT'S ORDINANCES OR SAFETY OR WHATEVER. UM, IT GIVES THEM A CIVIC UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THEIR PLACE IN SOCIETY, LIKE HOW THEY CAN GET THINGS DONE. UM, AND IT ALSO GIVES THEM NEEDED VOLUNTEER HOURS AND IT GIVES US FEEDBACK FROM THAT COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR WORLD. UM, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT A YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL IS NOT, IT IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT GOVERNING BODY, SO THEY WOULD BE LIKE ANY OF OUR OTHER BOARDS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHERE THEY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY CAN HAVE PROJECTS. UM, BUT THEY CANNOT MAKE FINAL DECISIONS ON ANYTHING. ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO CHANGE WITH AN ORDINANCE WOULD STILL COME TO US JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER BOARD. UM, THEY'RE ALSO NOT A POLITICAL ARM OF THE CITY, UM, OR ANY OFFICIAL. IT SHOULD BE LIKE THE REST OF OUR COMMISSIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH US AND JUST LEARN ABOUT CIVICS AND HOW TO GET THINGS DONE AND NOT LEARN ABOUT ANY ONE PERSON OR GROUP OF PEOPLE'S, UH, IDEAS THAT THEY WANT TO PUSH. UM, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TYPES OF YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCILS. SOME OF THEM ARE MORE FORMAL WHERE THEY SIT UP HERE ON THE DIOCESE AND THEY HAVE A MAYOR AND A PRO TEM. SOME OF THEM HAVE, UM, MORE OF LIKE A, ALMOST A PTA FIELD WHERE THERE'S LIKE A PRESIDENT, A VICE-PRESIDENT AND A SECRETARY. UM, SOME OF THEM, THEY ARE TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH ANY EVENT EVERY YEAR THAT THEY DO OR SOME KIND OF PROJECT, UM, OTHERS WILL, UM, WILL JUST HELP THE CITY IN A BIG EVENT EVERY YEAR. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN HERE, UM, TOWARDS THE END EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS FROM OTHER YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCILS, UM, AND COLLEEN, THEY DO ADOPT A ROADWAY, UM, IN GARLAND TEENS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPAIGN, THERE'S ASSISTANCE WITH CITY HOLIDAY EVENTS, INTERNSHIPS WITH CITY OFFICIALS, A TEEN TALK EVENT, YOUTH ENGAGEMENT AWARDS PROGRAM, A TEEN SURVEY, UM, ADVOCATE ON MULTIPLE ISSUES IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. UM, A CAREER FAIR, UH, HOSTS, A PROM FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, UM, CIVIC LITERACY EVENT ASSIST WITH WIDE CLEAN-UP AND OR RECYCLING EVENTS DEVELOP PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS ON ISSUES, IMPORTANT TO YOUTH AND IN SAN MARCOS, THEY EVEN DEVELOPED A YOUTH MASTER PLAN. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO TEST THE WATERS WITH COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING TEENAGERS ENGAGED HERE. AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME BULLET POINTS ON DECISIONS TO BE MADE ON STRUCTURE, BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON CREATION OF THIS. LIKE WHO'S INTERESTED IN, WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL FOR US TO HAVE TO DO WHAT WE DO TO DECIDE ON THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT WE WANT. AND THEN DO WE HAVE TO, AS WE'RE DOING WITH THE OTHER COMMISSION AND BOARDS HEAVILY, ISN'T, THAT'S ONE OF THE DECISIONS TO MAKE. WE COULD HAVE A LIAISON OR WE COULD HAVE ROTATING LIAISON. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEBODY GOES ONE MONTH, SOMEBODY GOES ANOTHER MONTH, WE CAN HAVE IT LEAN MORE TOWARDS, UM, THEM MAKING, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OR HAVE IT LEAN MORE TOWARDS IT BEING EDUCATIONAL, WHERE THEY'RE LEARNING ABOUT CITY DEPARTMENTS AND TAKING FIELD TRIPS. UM, REALLY, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL ONE IT'S, I MEAN, THE GATES ARE UP AND WE COULD DO WHATEVER WE WANT AND WHAT'S CONSIDERED A YOUTH WHAT AGE GROUP IT'S TYPICALLY HIGH SCHOOL AGE, HIGH SCHOOL. SO, UM, SO NINTH THROUGH 12TH GRADE, I'VE SEEN IT WHERE IT'S EXTENDED, ALLOWED FOR 18 YEAR OLDS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE STILL ENROLLED IN SCHOOL OR DOING A SCHOOL CURRICULUM BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE OPEN TO HOMESCHOOLERS AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. I'M OPEN TO, I MEAN, THEORETICALLY, I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO THE THOUGHTS THAT ROLL THROUGH MY HEAD IS, UM, HOW MUCH OF STAFF RESOURCES DOES IT TAKE? RIGHT? WHAT'S THE COST OF IT? BECAUSE IF, IF, IF I FEEL LIKE OUR S THE CITY STAFF IS STRETCHED SO THIN RIGHT NOW, I THINK TO GET THIS KICKED OFF, IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING, UM, TO DO IT RIGHT. I DO THINK IT'S NEEDED, ESPECIALLY, I KNOW WHY KIDS NEVER TOOK A CIVICS CLASS IN LSD. AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. BUT, UM, SO THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO SORT OF BRING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BACK. UM, BUT I JUST, BUT THE COST AND THE RESOURCES [04:25:01] IS A STRUGGLE WITH, SO A LOT OF THESE ARE RUN THROUGH CITY LIBRARIES AND THEY UTILIZE LIBRARY STAFF TO RUN IT BECAUSE YOU FIGURED THE LIBRARY STAFF IS THEY'RE WORKING LATE AND THEY HAVE TO DO TEEN PROGRAMMING ANYWAY. SO IT GETS ABSORBED INTO THEIR TEEN PROGRAMMING. SO THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING IT THAT WAY. UM, IN THEORY, THE KIDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MOSTLY RUNNING IT THEMSELVES. IN THEORY, THEY'LL NEED SOME GUIDANCE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR NICK, I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, STARTING SLOW INFORMAL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I LIKE, WHAT THE YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL IS NOT MAKING SURE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CLIMATE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING FOR US. UM, WE HAVE A TON OF BUSINESS. UM, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. WE HAVE A TON OF BUSINESS TO DO. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO GET ACCOMPLISHED, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. LIKE INVESTING IN OUR YOUTH IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT. UM, SO NOT DISMISSING IT, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS NOT, THIS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DOMINATE OUR TIME OR STAFF'S TIME TO START. UM, AND, AND JUST ENSURING THAT, SO STARTING OFF SOMETHING SMALL AND INFORMAL, I THINK IS BEST. UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS DIRECTION, SO HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? RIGHT. STARTING A SMALL AND INFORMAL, CAUSE IF IT'S INFORMAL, WE CAN'T RECRUIT THROUGH THE SCHOOLS. WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T. OKAY. HOW ABOUT, UM, WHAT WERE THE TERMS THAT YOU USED? UM, I THINK WASN'T THAT A TERM THAT YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THE, WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO SET UP HERE ON A DIOCESE AND DO I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE MORE EDUCATIONAL? HOW ABOUT THAT? THERE WE GO. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE MORE EDUCATIONAL. OKAY. YEAH. SOME MORE FIELD TRIPS AND VISITING LIKE CITY DEPARTMENTS, THAT WOULD BE THE VOLUNTEER ASPECT OF IT TOO. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE'RE FROM THE, UM, BEING ON THE OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OUR MOVIES IN THE PARK OR SOME OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE, UM, SOME TEENS THAT ARE PART OF THAT GROUP THAT WOULD BE THOSE VOLUNTEERS FOR THAT. AND THEN THEY COULD GET THEIR SERVICE HOURS RIGHT. NEEDED. I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST VOLUNTEER AT THINGS LIKE SOME KIND OF VOICE, UM, TO BALANCE IT. BUT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THEY COULD BE GREAT WITH THAT. UM, THEY COULD ALSO ASSIST WITH, UM, LIKE IF THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD LIAISONS THAT WENT OUT TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEETINGS, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE INFORMATION BETWEEN ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY IS DOING, AND THAT COULD BE A FUNCTION FOR THEM PUTTING TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, A SEMI MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER MONTH OF WHAT'S GOING ON, WHERE DOING A PROFILE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE SOME KIND OF PROJECT, NOT BUSY WORK, BUT LIKE DOING SOMETHING. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WITH THE OTHER YOUTH COUNCILS, YOU'VE BEEN AWARE OF HOW MANY KIDS PARTICIPATE ON AVERAGE? IS THERE A LIMIT? I DON'T KNOW THE AVERAGES, BUT THERE'S, UM, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROGRAM, BUT MOST OF THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, HAVE BEEN PRETTY POPULAR. I KNOW GEORGETOWN HAS WHEN WE CAN FIND OUT HOW MANY, I MEAN, THERE'S PICTURES HERE. LIKE THE ROCKWALL LOOKS LIKE WHAT, 20 KIDS, 15 TO 20, BUT I GUESS I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I JUST, I KNOW RESIDENT FEEDBACK HAS BEEN, THERE'S ONLY ONE CITY COUNCIL. SO IF WE COULD NAME IT COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION, THAT'S KIND OF MY ONLY FEEDBACK, BUT I'M HAPPY IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER TEXAS CITIES, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CITIES THAT DO THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THEM CALL IT COUNCIL, SOME CALL IT COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION. OKAY. SO CALL IT COMMITTEE. DO WE HAVE, WHAT OTHER ADVISORY COUNCILS DO WE HAVE AND IS THAT THEIR TITLE? ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE ADVISORY. THEY, BUT THEY SAY, OKAY, YEAH, COUNCIL, AT THE END, WE CAN SAY COMMITTEE WELL, AND THEN I GUESS, FIGURING OUT IF IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO RUN IT THROUGH THE LIBRARY, WHICH FROM WHAT YOU SAID DOES MAKE SENSE TO ME IS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE LIBRARY, LIBRARY, DIRECTOR, AND LIBRARY STAFF, TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT, CAUSE AS THEY'RE COMING ON AS A CITY, THEY'VE HAD A WHOLE BIG SHIFT TOO. RIGHT. AND TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING TO DO NOW, OR IS THIS SOMEBODY SOMETHING TO START THINKING ABOUT AND MAYBE LOOK TOWARDS A 20, 23 IMPLEMENTATION? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING, BE AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE KIDS THAT ARE, I MEAN, SCHOOL'S JUST STARTING, IT'S KIND OF A GOOD TIME TO START THAT FEE. IF IT'S NINTH THROUGH 12TH GRADE, I WOULD TAKE THEM THROUGH THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN PROCESS AND NO, WELL, NO LIKE, LIKE KIDS THAT WANT TO SERVE ON, LIKE EVERYBODY CAN BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. AND AS I, WELL, WHO ARE WE GOING TO GET TO BE THE MAYOR AND THE PROTESTS AND, AND SERVE ON THE COUNCIL? [04:30:01] YES, YES. NOT OUR CAMPAIGN. NOT, NOT, NO, NO. UM, JUST THEIR, LIKE THEIR OWN, LIKE, HEY, LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING FOR STUDENT PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, JUST KIND OF HOW LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS AND, AND HAVE IT MIMIC OURS WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST IN A, IN A SMALL, FUN WAY. AND THAT'S TERRIFYING TO YOUR POINT THERE, CATHERINE IS WE NEED OUR YOUTH TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS SO THAT THEY KNOW THE QUESTIONS TO ASK. AND THEY'RE NOT JUST READING WHAT COMES UP ON THEIR TWITTER FEED. THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO FOR RESOURCES. SO, AND THE MORE THEY KNOW, THE MORE THEY CAN GO HOME AND TEACH THEIR PARENTS HOW LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS BECAUSE WORKS ANYWAY, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE EXPERIENCED, UNLESS IT'S A PROBLEM. UM, AND THEN, THEN THEY LEARN THAT WE DON'T GET PAID OR, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. I LOVE TO HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND READING OUR AGENDA ITEMS AND THEN TELLING US WHAT THEY THINK. AND THEN THEY CAN GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE HORRIFYING PROCESS OF, WELL, WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND HAVE KIDS GO THROUGH THAT. HERE'S OUR AGENDA. TELL US WHAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. AND THAT'S A LITTLE MUCH, THAT'S WHAT CAFFEINE DOES. I LOVE IT. I HAVEN'T JUST STARTED MINE AND I'M SAYING NO, OH, YOU SHOULD HAVE MORE. SO EVEN WITHOUT, UH, THIS BEING FORMALIZED AND ADVERTISING AND ALL THAT, THERE'S ALREADY A FEW KIDS THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN IT. AND I THINK A FEW OF THEM Y'ALL WOULD RECOGNIZE FROM ATTENDING MEETINGS. UM, AND THOSE KIDS ARE, ARE VERY INTERESTED. UM, SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TO HAVE OFFICERS TO START OUT IF WE, IF WE GO FORWARD. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS, DO WE WANT TO LIMIT IT TO KIDS STRICTLY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? OR DO WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO THE ETJ OR TO ANYONE IN LEANDER ISD? THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS BY THE WAY THAT CEDAR PARK DOES NOT HAVE, AND WE'RE GOING TO BEAT THEM TO THE PUNCH. I THINK OPENING IT UP FOR LANDER EYES, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THEY WOULD GO TO ONE OF THE THREE HIGH SCHOOLS IN OUR CITY. SO IT WOULD BE ROUSE AND LEANDER AND GLEN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE THEN THAT COVERS THE TEACHERS PLUS HOMESCHOOL CHARTER SCHOOLS AND THEN SCHOOLS, SADLY, THERE WAS A FOURTH HIGH SCHOOL. SORRY. ABSOLUTELY NOT YET. GIVE IT A FEW YEARS. OKAY. SO OPEN TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS, HOME SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS. OKAY. WHETHER IT'S A LEADER, CAUSE THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I WON'T SAY ALL OF THEM, BUT THERE'S OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER SCHOOLS WITHIN LEANDER THAT WOULD STILL WORK FOR HOMESCHOOL OR PUBLIC SCHOOL LIVES. AND THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TOO. YEP. YEAH. PRIVATE SCHOOLS. YEAH. I KNOW ONE. AND THEN IS THERE SPECIFIC WE WANT TO TASK THEM WITH OR WERE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT US TO DECIDE THAT RIGHT, LIKE RIGHT OFF THE BAT OR DO WE WANT THEM TO, WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COLLABORATE AND YEAH. I WANT TO TALK TO THE LIBRARY. THAT'S TRUE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO START AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS AND LET THEM RUN WITH THAT BALL A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. I DO LIKE THIS IDEA THOUGH, ON PAGE FOUR OF YOUR PRESENTATION, THE CAREER FAIRS, THAT WOULD BE HUGE AND GIVE THEM REALLY SOMETHING TO HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS TO PUT TOGETHER. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHAMBER HAS BEEN WORKING ON. SO THIS COULD BE A GREAT WAY FOR THEM TO LEARN ABOUT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS WELL. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND TALK TO THE LIBRARY AND IT COMES WITH THE CHAMBER MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO KNOW LEADERSHIP LANDER, AND THEN THEY DID THE JUNIOR LEADERSHIP. THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BRIDGE BRIDGET. I CAN VISIT WITH BRIDGET AND SEE, UM, AT THEIR NEXT BOARD MEETING AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN PLAYING A PART IN THIS NOT CONDUCTED, BUT JUST OFFER SOME OF THE HELP WITH IT. SURE. MR. NEW. OKAY. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. CAN WE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE LIBRARY? SO YOU WANT MARK, MARK SUMMONS TO COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW THE LIBRARY MIGHT BE ABLE TO LIAISE FOR THIS GROUP TODAY. I'M JUST THINKING THAT IF THIS, IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, I DON'T WANT TO, ALTHOUGH IT'S ALL FUN AND EXCITING, I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN ANYTHING. CAUSE I DO THINK WE'VE GOT MORE IMPORTANT. NOT THAT OUR YOUTH AREN'T IMPORTANT, BUT I DO THINK WE'VE GOT BIGGER FISH TO FRY AT THIS POINT. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS, IF IT COULD FALL UNDERNEATH, WHICH FROM AN EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT AND YOUTH PROGRAMMING DOES MAKE SENSE UNDERNEATH THE LIBRARY SCOPE, BUT I'D WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THE LIBRARY HAS GOT ON THEIR AGENDA AT THIS POINT. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T [04:35:01] THROWING A MAJOR KINK INTO THINGS BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS GOING TO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO MAKE IT RIGHT. AND THAT THAT'S HOW I MEAN. UM, YEAH, I THINK TOO, THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S AT ITS INCEPTION, WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S LESS TAXING. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET EVERY MONTH TO START. WE CAN HAVE THEM MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH AND IT'S ONLY DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT FOUR MEETINGS JUST TO GET IT STARTED AND OFF THE GROUND. AND THAT MADE ME TOTALLY FINE. AND I MAY BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN AND THE LIBRARY STAFF MAY GO, OH, THIS IS EASY BREEZY, NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THEIR BEHALF. THAT'S ALL JUST GIVE THIS FEEDBACK. THAT'S OKAY. SO ARE YOU INTERESTED IN STAFF COMING BACK AND GIVING YOU SOME SCOPE OR PARAMETERS OF WHAT THIS GROUP MIGHT, WOULD THEY THINK HOW IT COULD HAPPEN AND WHAT THEY MIGHT DO TO GET IT? UM, KNOWING I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MOVE FORWARD, BUT HOW WOULD THEY SEE THAT? HOW WOULD THEY SEE IT COMING ONLINE IN A WAY THAT ISN'T BURDENSOME? LIKE WHAT WORKS FOR THEM AND, AND WHAT MIGHT BE OF USE TO COUNSEL FROM WHAT I KNOW OF SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS, UH, ON THAT TML LIST AND OTHER CITIES, I MEAN, TH THESE YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCILS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY BECOME SOUNDING BOARDS FOR YOUTH FEEDBACK. SO ON ISSUES, REGULAR CITY BUSINESS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING, IF THOSE GROUPS ARE, HAVE BEEN FORMED AND THEY'RE ESTABLISHED, THEY CAN BE A REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK TOOL. UH, IN A LOT OF WAYS, I KNOW THE CHAMBER IS ALREADY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON A, UM, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WORKER, UH, TYPE OF CAREER FAIR, SPECIFIC TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE STUDENTS COME TO THAT FAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT IDEA HAS BEEN TEASED OUT QUITE YET, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY THEY ARE ON TRACK WITH THAT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP CAN CERTAINLY ADVISE TO IF THAT COMES TO FRUITION. I THINK IT'D BE GREAT. I GOT TO SEE THEM ALSO DO TOURS OF THE WATER PLAN CENTER AND THE ACTIVITY CENTER THERE. I MEAN, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, BUT GOING ON SOME OF THOSE, THOSE SENIOR ACTIVITIES THAT THEY GO ON, JUST GETTING SOME EXPOSURE TO THE CITY AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HELPS US BUILD KIND OF A, UH, THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THIS. SO FIELD TRIPS THAT WOULD GO THROUGH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT WHERE WE'D HAVE A BUS DRIVER FOR THAT. I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE COORDINATED ACTIVITIES. OKAY. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE FIELD TRIPS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'VE GOT A BREAK FROM SCHOOL, THEY CAN GO OUT AND SEE COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND MEET THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO DOWN TO THE CAPITOL AT SOME POINT, AND I THINK ANYTIME YOU'RE GETTING YOUTH INVOLVED WHERE THEY'RE MEETING THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND GETTING THAT ONE-ON-ONE TIME WHERE THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT'S SO MUCH MORE ENRICHING THAN ANYTHING THEY'RE GOING TO LEARN IN, IN, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF SMALL CIVICS CLASS THAT THEY GET PUBLIC COMMENT TIME AT A COUNCIL MEETING. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, DO WE NEED TO TALK AT ALL ABOUT HOW THEY'RE APPOINTED OR, UM, AS FAR AS INITIALLY, LIKE, IF WE WANT LIKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK ALREADY WERE INTERESTED. THANK YOU. THAT TH THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE WANT TO STAND THIS UP IN OCTOBER? OOH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT IN OCTOBER, MAYBE NOVEMBER. SO I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S THE THING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTEREST WOULD BE. I KNOW FROM THE KIDS THAT COME IN HERE, WHAT SCHOOLS DO THEY GO TO? DO YOU KNOW? MS. HOMESCHOOL? OKAY. ONE OF THEM IS GLENN, BUT I'VE GOT ONE THAT'S A MAYBE AT LEANDER. OKAY. OKAY. LIKE PART OF THEIR DEAL COULD BE ACTUALLY GETTING THE WORD OUT AT THEIR SCHOOL. THAT'S ACTUALLY ON HERE IS ONE OF THE SUGGESTED THINGS THAT WE COULD DO IS HAVE THEM IN CHARGE OF OUTREACH AT SCHOOL. AND IF THEY, I MEAN, INITIALLY THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. AND THEN IT COULD TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE AT SOME POINT, BUT JUST INITIALLY WHY WE'RE APPOINTING SOMEBODY THERE. YEAH. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THEN WE VOTE ON IT, BE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN FIVE PEOPLE THAT SAY OR THREE PEOPLE, AND THEN WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE MORE THAN SEVEN OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE THEN SOME THINGS GET KIND OF CRAZY. YOU HAVE 15 PEOPLE IN A ROOM, NO MATTER WHAT AGE THEY ARE. GOOD LUCK HURTING. SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE JUST TRY TO STICK WITHIN A RANGE THERE AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. OKAY. WHAT IF WE JUST, UM, SET UP AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE LIKE AN INTEREST LIST? HERE'S THE PARAMETERS FOR BEING ON THE YOUTH ADVISORY? EXACTLY. LIKE, YOU KNOW, LANDER CITY COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING DOING A YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSION. UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, SEND YOUR INFO TO NOT YOUR INBOX, YOU, YOU HAVE ENOUGH STUFF, BUT, YOU KNOW, SEND YOUR INFO TO, TO THE CITY. AND, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, BECAUSE IF WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH 14 KIDS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN IF WE'RE DEALING WITH 75. UH, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT WEB FORMS EARLIER THAT COULD BE A WEB FORM, UM, TAILORED SPECIFICALLY TO THIS INTEREST. AND THEN WE KIND OF FILTER THAT THROUGH THE SCHOOLS AND LET, KIND OF SEE WHAT INTEREST IS GENERATED FROM THAT, AND THEN GO FROM THERE SO WE CAN, I THINK THAT'D BE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [04:40:02] IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSIONS? NOPE. I SEE MS. CRABTREE FOR THE WATER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR FINAL ITEM FOR [9. Discuss council goals and review process for city manager.] TODAY, DISCUSS COUNCIL GOALS AND REVIEW PROCESS FOR CITY MANAGER. YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO JUST TAKE A SECOND ON THAT BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE, UM, I REALLY THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FROM BOTH THE CITY MANAGER SIDE AND THE COUNCIL SIDE, UM, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP AND AS A COUNCIL, OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CORRECT CITY MANAGER AND AS THE CITY MANAGER, UM, THE PERSON THAT IS SITTING IN THAT ROLE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, HE OR SHE, UM, UNDERSTANDS THE ROLE AND THE EXPECTATIONS AND THAT IF WE SET SOMETHING IN PLACE AND MAKE IT POLICY AND SOMETHING THAT CAN TRANSCEND COUNCIL MEMBERS CHANGING, CAN TRANSCEND CITY MANAGERS CHANGING. AND THAT EVERYBODY SORT OF KNOWS WHAT THE PAGES THAT WE'RE EVERYBODY'S ON SO THAT WE CAN TAKE, UM, PERSONALITIES AND EMOTIONS AND POLITICS AND ALL THE YUCK THAT GOES OUT. AND THERE'S JUST A VERY CLEAR COMMUNICATION. UM, MOVING FORWARD, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. SO, UM, I WAS VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS YOUR ITEM. OH, OKAY. YEAH. AND SO, UM, AND I KNEW, UM, MR. REVLON HAD DONE A LOT OF WORK AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, AND DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS FROM DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND. AND SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, IS EVERYBODY READ THROUGH THIS AND THEN JUST TO REALLY HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD. I MEAN, AS I BRAINSTORMED THIS, I FELT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAS INPUT ON, UM, WHAT GOALS AND RESPONSIBILITIES WE SEE. I ALSO THINK THAT THERE IS, UM, DURING THE EVALUATION PROCESS THAT THERE WOULD BE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, OTHER DIRECTORS OR TEAM MEMBERS SORT OF A 360 APPROACH AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, BY COUNCIL WHOLLY, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE, UM, A THIRD PARTY COME IN TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT AND GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION AND THEN THERE'S COUNCIL INPUT TOO, AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO THIS. SO I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN HAVING THE DISCUSSION ON HOW WE WANT TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH HAVING SOMETHING FORMAL IN PLACE. COUNSEL. YEAH. I KNOW MR. RIFLEMAN SAID HE WANTED TO SPEAK. YEAH. AND I KNOW OF COURSE COMING OUT OF COVID TOO. THIS IS, THIS IS FRESH TOO, BECAUSE OUR OPERATING PARADIGM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS, BUT, UM, YOU'LL HAVE A BUNCH OF SAMPLES AS WELL. AND THEN PLUS SOME OF THE ONES FROM OUR EVEN ADJACENT, UH, PEER COMMUNITIES, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THIRD PARTIES. I KNOW SEVERAL OF THEM. I MEAN, ROUND ROCK, CEDAR PARK, UM, I BELIEVE PFLUGERVILLE ALSO GEORGETOWN, WHAT THEY TYPICALLY DO ONCE CITIES. AND THIS IS NOT JUST IN THE AUSTIN AREA, BUT I'VE SEEN THIS IN THE HOUSTON AREA AND I'M SURE THEY DO IT IN DALLAS AS WELL. UM, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING, SO ALL OF THE, KIND OF THE GOALS OF THE CITY, AND I THINK THE SAFEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THE FACILITATORS WHEN THEY COME IN, TYPICALLY COME IN IN THOSE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS AND TRY TO FIND THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ACTUALLY CAN AGREE ON AS GOALS, NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST DIVISIVE THINGS, BUT THE ONES THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR WATER, YOUR SEWER, YOUR ROADS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AND THEN DRILLS DOWN FROM THERE. SO YOU HAVE YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN. NEXT STEP DOWN BECOMES REALLY, THOSE ARE YOUR, YOUR COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY GOALS. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEN YOU'RE TYING THE EFFECTIVELY, THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, AND SOME OF THESE EVEN FLESH IT OUT, DOWN TO DEPARTMENTS, DIRECTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD REALLY EMBRACE. AND TYPICALLY YOU HAVE MEASURABLE METRICS. SO, YOU KNOW, BROKEN DOWN INTO TIME FOR INSTINCTS [04:45:01] THAT LIKE THREE MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, YEAR, YEAR PLUS. SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A BAR THAT YOU CAN REACH. AND ONE OF THE REASONS TO ALSO INCLUDE EVEN THE DIRECTORS AND STAFF AND ON A LARGER AND COUNCIL AND A LARGER SESSION, MAYBE A COUPLE OF SESSIONS IS SO YOU CAN SET THE BAR AND THE EXPECTATIONS WHERE EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE. SO WE MAY NEED AN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. WE MAY NEED, YOU KNOW, QUARTER STUDY TO BE COMPLETED ON ROADS. WE MAY NEED, UH, OTHER, IT MAY BE A REORG INITIATIVE, UH, MAYBE HIRING, FILLING OUT A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS OF, OF WHEN, WHEN YOU WENT AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, I KNOW THAT DAR DAR PULLED SOME OTHER INFORMATION AS WELL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PEERS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THEY DO IT. AT LEAST IN OUR REGION, I'D SAY OUR, OUR TRUE PEER CITIES MAY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE WOULD DO THIS OR WHAT YOUR, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT OVERALL. I JUST WANT TO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, UM, AND IN EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHATEVER IT IS. I DO LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER, I FELT LIKE OUR EVALUATION PROCESS THAT WE DID, I THINK IT WAS IN THE DECEMBER-ISH. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT. UM, EVEN WITH THE SURVEY, THE SURVEY OR THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE RECEIVED, I THINK THAT COULD BE REVAMPED A LITTLE BIT. I READ THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES TOO, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT MY MIND WORKS. AND WE JUST LEARNED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH LIKE A, UH, LIKE A NUMBER VALUE FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND THEN GIVING AN OVERALL DESCRIPTION, UM, OF LIKE, LIKE NUMBER THREE WAS ONE OF THE ONES EVALUATION THREE WAS IN HERE AND THERE WAS GRADES PER, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTICS AND FOR PROFESSIONAL SKILLS AND RELATIONSHIPS WITH ELECTED MEMBERS AND POLICY EXECUTION, STAFFING, CITY, , CITIZEN RELATIONS, REPORTING, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS, RIGHT. AND IT GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO ACTUALLY GIVE LIKE A IN PARAGRAPH FORM, YOU KNOW, SOME FEEDBACK THERE, IF IT'S, AS FAR AS OUR EVALUATION, I CARE ABOUT THOSE THINGS. BUT HAVING CLEAR CUT GOALS FOR CITY MANAGER TO GO THROUGH THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SAY, DID THESE THINGS GET ACCOMPLISHED OR DID NOT GET ACCOMPLISHED? I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD THAT, NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE CAME HERE TOO. IS THAT AN EVALUATION THAT SAYS 19 20, 19, 20 20, THAT'S THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT'S BEING USED FOR, FOR OUR CITY MANAGER. IT SAYS LANDER UP TOP. IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE JUST DID. OKAY. YEAH. CAUSE THIS IS PRETTY, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE SQUISHY. IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WHEN I SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME I LET THEM DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. ONE AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WAY TO EVALUATE IT FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANGLES BECAUSE WE AREN'T IN ON THE DATA AID OR INTERACTIONS AND ALL THE CITY MANAGERS, THAT'S WHAT WE RELY ON OUR CITY MANAGER TO DO. RIGHT. AND SO HOW, HOW DO WE KNOW HOW GREAT OF A JOB OUR CITY MANAGER'S DOING IF, IF WE HAVE NO WAY TO QUANTIFY THAT AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW DO WE, AS A COUNCIL GO INTO A SALARY REVIEW WITHOUT AN EVALUATION TO SAY HOW WELL SOMEBODY HAS DONE OR HOW NOT WITHOUT HAVING SOME CLEAR CUT THINGS. AND, AND BECAUSE WE AREN'T INVOLVED IN THE DAY-TO-DAY AND SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THE DAY-TO-DAY, THAT IS OUR CITY MANAGER'S JOB. UM, HOW DO WE GATHER OBJECTIVE DATA SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION? AND WE ARE, WHEN WE DO COME TO THE TABLE TO, UM, MAKE THOSE TYPES OF PERSONNEL DECISIONS THAT WE'RE BASING IT ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE AS A COUNCIL, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, WE'RE ABLE TO BASE THAT ON, UM, UNBIASED INPUT AND ANONYMOUS FOR THAT MATTER INPUT FROM OTHER SOURCES WITHIN THE CITY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU'RE ASKING THE VET STAFF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF TO, TO, TO BRING THOSE THIRD-PARTY FACILITATORS THEN TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL SETTING, BUT ALSO TO COME BACK OR BRING ANOTHER ONE IN AND DO THAT WITH THE DIRECTORS AND GET A GENERAL FEEL FOR HOW EVERYTHING'S GOING OF THINGS. WE WOULD HAVE THREE SIXTIES. SO YOU HAD, I MEAN, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A PIER RIGHT AT THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL. UM, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE DIRECTORS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UM, WE HAD [04:50:01] EVALUATIONS FROM OUR PEERS. WE HAD EVALUATIONS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR US, AND WE HAD EVALUATIONS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WORKED FOR. AND BECAUSE FROM ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT FEEDBACK. SOMEBODY MAY WORK REALLY WELL WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT NOT SO WELL WITH A DIFFERENT GROUP. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GATHERING ALL THAT, UM, ALL THAT INFORMATION. AND I'M NOT SURE THE ANSWER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HANDLING IT ON A CITY COUNCIL LEVEL. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD, UM, IT'S A PROTECTION FOR OUR CITY MANAGER AND IT'S A PROTECTION FOR OUR COUNCIL. IF WE'VE GOT SOMETHING VERY, UM, CLEAR CUT SO THAT THE PERSON SITTING IN THIS CITY MANAGER POSITION UNDERSTANDS THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL. UM, NO DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS WILL CHANGE AS THE CITY GROWS AND PROJECTS GET DONE AND NEW ONES GET ADDED, THOSE ACTION ITEMS CHANGE, BUT WHAT ARE THE OVERRIDING VIEWS AND WHAT ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS OF OUR, OF OUR CITY MANAGERS. SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH HOW WE EVALUATE AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT INTO POLICY? I FEEL LIKE THIS MEMORANDUM FROM 2013 IS PRETTY VALID. UM, AND IT WOULD NOT TAKE A WHOLE LOT TO GO THROUGH AND ASSIGN CATEGORIES TO THEM, UM, FOR THE PERFORMANCE REVIEW. SO UNDER ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, THIS IS WHAT'S LISTED. NOW WE MAY GO THROUGH AND TWEAK AND TAKE SOME THINGS OUT, BUT THEN ASSIGNING, DID THEY MEET EXPECTATION, EXCEED EXPECTATIONS? I THINK IT'S PRETTY, THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT. IN MY OPINION, IT'S LAID OUT IN DEFINITELY MORE DETAILED THAN THIS OTHER EVALUATION FORM. THIS OTHER EVALUATION FORM MAY BE BETTER FOR OTHER DIRECTORS OR DEPARTMENT HEADS PROVIDING FEEDBACK FOR YOU. BUT FROM A CITY COUNCIL STANDPOINT, WE MIGHT WANT SOMETHING A LOT MORE DETAILED. WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. IT'S RIGHT BEHIND NUMBER NINE. YEAH. IT GOES INTO QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL. YEAH. THE ONE THAT SAYS APPROVED. SO IN 2018, UM, WE WERE DOING THE CITY MANAGER EVALUATION AND ALSO CAME UP AGAINST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT VAGUE. AND, AND HOW DO YOU GRADE ON CERTAIN THINGS? AND SO WE, WE KIND OF TOOK TWO ROUNDS TWO AND ON THE SECOND ROUND, WE WERE GIVEN A COPY OF WHAT THE, THE COUNCIL GOALS WERE THAT HAD BEEN LAID OUT AT THE RETREAT. SO IT WASN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO WORDS PER GOAL, BUT IT WAS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS. AND THEN WE WENT FROM THERE AND THEN, UM, AT THE NEXT RETREAT THAT WINTER, TWO OF US GOT TASKED WITH CREATING GOALS AND TAKING A LOOK AT THAT EVALUATION PROCESS. AND THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 360 THAT WAS CREATED FROM THAT. OKAY. OF COURSE THINGS CHANGED. UM, WOULD, WOULD THERE BE ANY INTEREST FROM THIS COUNCIL IN CREATING ANOTHER LITTLE, TWO OR THREE PERSON SUBCOMMITTEE TO CREATE A REVIEW PROCESS. I'M HEARING LOTS OF INTEREST ON THE SIDE. THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE A THIRD PARTY TO CREATE A REVIEW. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? I MEAN, POTENTIALLY I THINK AS A, UM, COUNCIL, WE WOULD SET, UM, NO IN A THIRD PARTY WOULD WORDSMITH IT AND, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, A BAD THING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY DOES THIS FOR A LIVING TO, UM, PUT OUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS INTO 'CAUSE. I, I WANT TO SEE THIS, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW IN 2018 IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IN THAT THERE WAS A, UM, SORT OF A WORKSHEET PUT TOGETHER ON THAT. CAUSE THAT WAS JANUARY 25TH, I THINK, WAS THE DATA THAT WORKSHOP. UM, AND THAT IT WAS, IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND THEN IT SORT OF FIZZLED OUT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT TRANSCENDS THIS COUNCIL AND ANY, AND NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING, UM, THAT CAN BE MAINTAINED INTO THE FUTURE. AND IF THAT, AND THAT MAY BE HAVING, UM, SOMEBODY LOOK AT THIS FROM A THIRD-PARTY STANDPOINT, BUT I FIND THAT A KNOW WHAT WE WANT, IT'S A COMMITTEE, THAT'S GOING TO DECIDE THAT AND DO THAT 360 VIEW BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN THE CITY MANAGER MAY GET ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE UP HERE, BUT THEIR STAFF HATES HIM OR HER. RIGHT. OR SO HAVING IT LESS SUBJECTIVE AND MORE OBJECTIVE, CLEAR GOALS WHERE YOU TAKE THE EMOTION OUT OF IT AND YOU'RE RATING THE PERSON AND IT'S COMING FROM THAT 360 VIEW, THE PEOPLE ABOVE [04:55:01] YOU, THE PEOPLE, YOUR PEERS MORE THERE'S NO PEER HERE. RIGHT. BUT MAYOR, WHEN YOU, YOU DID THIS RIGHT BEFORE WE TOOK OFFICE WITHIN THE YEAR BEFORE WE TOOK OFFICE WITH ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, HOW WAS IT PRODUCTIVE? WAS IT JUST THE TWO OF Y'ALL THAT WORKED ON IT WAS, IT WAS THERE MORE THAN JUST THE TWO AGO. UM, SO WE WERE ASSIGNED TO IT. UM, AND YEAH, IT WAS JUST THE TWO OF US, BUT NO, NO, WE DIDN'T VOLUNTEER. WE WERE, I THINK, I THINK BECKY WAS THERE LISTENING TO THE MEETING. THEY WERE JUST CHARGED WITH IT. UM, BUT IT WAS FINE. UM, AND SO WE TOOK THE FEEDBACK THAT EVERYBODY HAD HAD AND WE PUT IT INTO GOALS AND THEN, UM, BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL AND JUST GOT IT APPROVED. I THINK THAT GOT EMAILED OUT DIDN'T OH, NO, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER SEEN THAT. OKAY. BUT, UM, IS THAT STILL EXIST? YEAH. LIKE, SO IF SOMEBODY WASTED, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMITTEE THAT WAS ALSO WORKING FROM THIS COUNCIL ON IT, THEY COULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY WORKED ON AND DISCUSSED TOO. THAT WAS THE GOALS. IT WASN'T THE REVIEW. WE TALKED ABOUT THE REVIEW PROCESS AND THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT REVIEW, BUT THEN THERE WAS NO EXTRA VIEW, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BUT YEAH. AND THE GOALS WERE VERY SPECIFIC, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SEND THAT TO YOU OR I CAN SEND IT TO DAR TO SEND TO EVERYBODY, BUT THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC FOR THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON THAT YEAR. CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. SOMETHING REALLY SPECIFIC AROUND THE ISSUES THAT ARE CONCERNING US NOW, WHICH ARE AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT KIND OF GOALS WE ARE LOOKING FOR OUR CITY MANAGER TO ASSIST WITH. SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T VOLUNTEER FOR MUCH, BUT I WOULD VOLUNTEER TO BE A PART OF THAT. IF YOU GUYS WANT SOMEBODY TO BE A PART OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. CAUSE I THINK YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOUR GOAL MAY BE TO STAY ON BUDGET OR TO, UM, COMPLETE CIP PROJECTS ON THE TIMELINE. RIGHT. BUT THEN UNDERNEATH THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE YOUR PRIORITY ITEMS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE GET, GET DONE. AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU GET UPDATED WITH AND WHETHER YOU MEET THE GOAL OR NOT, AND WHAT'S THE REASON WHY IS IT A VIRUS OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT INTERNALLY ISN'T WORKING, RIGHT. AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU DISCUSSED DURING, UM, AN ACTUAL REVIEW. AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AND AGAIN, I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER TO A THIRD PARTY, BUT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT, UM, IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE EVALUATION OR REVIEW AT THE END OF THE YEAR. UM, BUT THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY, UM, MAYBE TWO OTHER TIMES A YEAR THAT THERE'S A, UM, SORT OF AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE THINKING CHECK IN NOTHING SUPER FORMAL. BUT I THINK THAT JUST, I KNOW AS AN EMPLOYEE, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT SORT OF MID-YEAR FEEDBACK. SO I JUST, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PULL SOME VERSION INTO PLAY HERE, EITHER WHAT MID-YEAR OR QUARTERLY YEAH. EVEN DO A RUNNING SCORECARD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON THE PROGRESS. AND THEN THEY EVEN HAVE, IT THEY'LL EVEN PUT THE MANAGERS GOALS, WHICH FEED FROM THE COUNCIL GOALS, WHICH FEED FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SITTING OUT THERE ON THE WEBSITE AND AS THOSE THINGS ARE GETTING TICKED OFF AND COMPLETED DURING THE YEAR, EVEN HAVE THE DATES. YEAH. YEAH. I LOVE IT. AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO NOT ONLY, UM, CLEAR CUT ROLES, GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS, UM, FROM JUST THE EMPLOYMENT STANDPOINT, BUT IT ALSO SPEAKS, I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKS GREATLY TO CITY TRANSPARENCY. AND I'D SAY THIS JUST NOT BEING HERE, BUT FROM THE LONG RANGE PERSPECTIVE OR NEAR TERM, YOUR ABILITY, I THINK TO ATTRACT OTHER QUALIFIED MANAGERS OVER TIME, LONG RUN, LONG RANGE IS, IS ALSO IT FEEDS INTO THIS BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THERE'S A, I MEAN, NOT TO USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ME TOMORROW, WALK ACROSS THE STREET, COMING INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY KNOW THERE'S THERE'S POLICIES, PROCEDURES, AND OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IS GOING TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH EASIER. IT'S STABILITY. CORRECT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WALKING INTO AND WHEN YOU ACCEPT A JOB, YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING OBJECTIVE. SO IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE YOU, WELL, THAT'S OKAY. YOU STILL KNOW WHAT YOUR JOB IS AND YOU STILL, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS. SO ARE YOU ALL THINKING OUTSIDE FACILITATOR OR ARE YOU THINKING COMMITTEE? MAN? I WOULD THINK OF COMMITTEE TO PULL TOGETHER WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO DO. AND THEN FROM THERE POSSIBLY, UM, HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO TIGHTEN IT UP. OKAY. WHO'S VOLUNTEERING FOR THE COMMITTEE. I MEAN, OF COURSE I WILL. YOU SAID YOU WILL. I SAW YOUR HAND. I SAW YOUR HAND. [05:00:01] OKAY. AND EVERYBODY TO KNOW LIKE NO HARD FEELINGS, WHOEVER WANTS TO DO IT, I'M JUST WANTING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT. YEAH. AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SERVE AND DO THOSE THINGS AND YOU CAN EITHER APPOINT IT OR VOTE ON IT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT. AND THEN IT WON'T HURT MY FEELINGS AT ALL, BUT I JUST WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS TO BE THERE. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COMMITTEE DO. NOT JUST THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT THE, THE GOAL SETTING. CAUSE IT RIGHT. YOU NEED BOTH FOR THE GOAL IS IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT FOR PROBABLY US RATHER THAN THIRD-PARTY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE. RIGHT. SO IT COULD BE TWO PEOPLE. IF YOU THINK IT WAS EFFECTIVE, IT COULD BE THREE PEOPLE. UM, TWO PEOPLE IS PROBABLY GOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST THE ONE AND TWO, BUT IF THREE PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG, I CAN GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY HERE. SO, UM, I THINK LIKEWISE FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH. I HAVE FAITH IN YOU THREE, IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE NEED TO DO WITH IT? YES, EVERYBODY TO MY LEFT. JUST A QUESTION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER, BUT DO WE HAVE CLEAR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS FOR CITY STAFF? IS THAT CITY MANAGER QUESTION WE DID WE'D HAVE THE, THE, THE, WELL, WE HAVE THE CURRENT ONE THAT, THAT WAS ALSO IN PLACE AND THAT'S THAT'S EVEN SOMETHING I THINK WE, WE COULD LOOK AT TOO. I THINK OURS IS HAVING BEEN IN, YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNMENT REGIONAL IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT PERFECT. IT'S NOT BAD. BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS AND WE START REALLY FLESHING OUT THE GOALS, AT LEAST FOR THE DIRECTORS, AT LEAST IT GIVES MUCH CLEARER. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING SITTING IN THE CIP THAT MAY OR MAY NOT GET VOTED ON, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM DESIGN PHASE TO CONSTRUCTION PHASE OR IT GETS PUT ON HOLD. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU USUALLY TOTAL CONSENSUS Y'ALL HAVE TO DO. WE HAVE TO DO. AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT IT CAN ALL FLOW TOGETHER AND IT COULD HELP IMPROVE THAT PROCESS AS WELL. EXPECTATION SETTING. I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF OUR FIRST GOALS. YES. YEAH. BECAUSE ONE THING I DO LIKE ABOUT THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS HAD FOR 2019 AS THOSE HOW BEHAVIORS, UM, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY STAFF, EVEN, ARE THEY DOING THEIR JOB, BUT ARE THEY DOING IT WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE IN MIND? AND I LIKE THAT THAT'S ON THERE, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE EXTRAPOLATED TO CITY STAFF. LOVE IT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. UM, MS. CRABTREE, ARE WE GOING TO NEED A VOTE FOR THAT OR ARE WE GOOD? OKAY, GOOD. AND R D IS THERE ANY KIND OF EXPECTATION ON A, ON A TIMELINE FOR US? CAUSE I KNOW WE'LL BE GETTING TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING TOO, BUT IS THERE LIKE AN ESTIMATED, LIKE YOU WANT TO SEE IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU WANT TO SEE IT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS. SO THAT WILL BE TOUGHER, BUT UH, PRO TIMES ITEM I'M, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO HER, BUT I GUESS MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITHOUT WOULD BE, IS, UM, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT ALL FLESHED OUT TO GO FOR 20, 22. CAUSE I THINK WE'RE SORT OF LATE IN THE GAME FOR 2021. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ALL AND EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, FOR THE TOLD THE 20, 20, 21 REVIEW WHEN WE, UNTIL DECEMBER, DECEMBER. RIGHT. BUT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO, TO MAKE A GOAL THAT WE THE EVALUATION, WE SHOULD TOTALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. YEAH. YEAH, NO. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE, LIKE THE WHOLE SHEBANG, I WOULD THINK BY THE END OF THE YEAR. WOULDN'T I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. UM, IF Y'ALL WANTED TO LOOK AT SHORT TERM GOALS, LIKE I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO HANDLE IT. COOL. I TRUST YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE DONE. RIGHT. DOUBLE CHECKING BEFORE I ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 4 24. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.