Sep 23, 2021 P&amp;Z Commission

ORDINANCE WILL TAKE PLACE.

SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, UH, AND APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

THE UPDATED PLAN DOES INCLUDE THE PROPERTY WITH THE GREENWAY LAND USE CATEGORY.

IN THIS CASE, THE OLD TOWN A LAND USE CATEGORY WOULD ALSO APPLY THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT AS THE REQUESTED SUP AMENDMENT CONTINUES TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY EATING ESTABLISHMENT, CENTRAL GATHERING SPACES AND CIVIC CONVERSATION SITE INFORMATION.

SO TO THE NORTH IS GC GC C ZONING IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED TO THE EAST IS ALSO AN UNDEVELOPED TRACT, UH, AS LONG ALONG WITH A SMOOTH VILLAGE AND THEY ARE ALSO GC THREE C UH, THE SMOOTH VILLAGE IS ANOTHER, UM, UH, MOBILE FOOD VENDOR PARK TO THE SOUTH IS ALSO A ZONED .

IT IS A RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD AND TO THE WEST IS AN OLD COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

UH, IT IS ALSO PHYSICAL FEATURES.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS WHOLLY WITHIN THE BRUSHY CREEK, UH, FLOOD CLAIM.

THE CURRENT PROPERTY USES THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A RETAIL FOOD TRUCK PARK.

THE SCHEDULE, UM, FOR THE, UH, THE NOTICES ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 2ND PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE HILL COUNTRY NEWS.

UH, SEPTEMBER 8TH STAFF MAILED OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS OF THE 200 FOOT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

UH, ALSO ON THE EIGHTH PUBLIC HEARING, SIGNAGE WAS POSTED ON THIS PROPERTY TONIGHT WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND THE, UH, IN THE RECOMMENDATION ITEM ON THE 23RD ON OCTOBER, THE 21ST CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THEIR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON NOVEMBER THE FOURTH, THE CITY COUNCIL IS SECOND AND FINAL READING OF THE

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THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION OF VENDORS NOT OPERATING OUT OF A FOOD TRUCK AND ALLOW THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD IN RENEWING THE EXISTING HEALTH PERMIT.

THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN THAT'LL END STAFF'S PRESENTATION, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A SHORT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

I BELIEVE MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE GO ON, COULD I ASK A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION? SURE.

DID, DID YOU SAY THAT THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN? A GOOD CHUNK OF IT? LET'S SEE.

I DIDN'T SEE A FLOOD PLAIN MAP ON MY, NO, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE ANY AREAS IN THERE.

THEY'RE REALLY DELICIOUS TACOS.

BUT NOT THE WHOLE PROPERTY, THE BACK PORTION OF IT, ISN'T IT? OR IS IT I BELIEVE SO.

IT MIGHT BE THE WHOLE I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL DO THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

OKAY, PERFECT.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JEANNIE SNYDER.

UH, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF WILDFIRE PARK, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR TWO YEARS NOW.

SO WE HAVE A CURRENT SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING THERE.

SO I KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE OPERATING AND DOING CURRENTLY, AND THEN WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE.

AND SO WE HAVE, UM, THIS IS JUST A, A GENERAL PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND TO YOUR QUESTION, AND SIR, THE IT'S MOSTLY THE BACK HALF OF OUR PROPERTY, THAT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE.

SO ALL OF THE TRAILERS AND FOOD, UH, THE FOOD TRUCKS AND THE AIRBNBS ARE, ARE NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE.

SO THIS IS THE PARK AND I WILL SHOW YOU, THIS IS OUR STORES.

SO WE HAVE A WILDFIRE ARTISANS, WHICH IS A RETAIL STORE.

IT IS A GIFT AND BOUTIQUE SHOP, AND I'M A POTTER.

AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER IS, UH, AN ARTIST AND WE SELL LOCAL ALL KINDS OF LOCAL, UM, HANDMADE ITEMS, SOME VINTAGE ITEMS AS WELL.

SO HERE ARE OUR AIRBNBS, UH, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

WE HAVE, UH, THREE AIRBNBS, THEY'RE ALL VINTAGE AIRSTREAM.

SO WE KIND OF HAVE THAT THEME GOING FOR, UH, THE PARK.

SO WE HAVE THREE OF THEM.

THEY'RE RENTED OUT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TIME.

UM, IT'S BEEN A GREAT BUSINESS FOR OLD TOWN.

AND THEN WE NOW HAVE, AS OF LIKE FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, OUR OWN FOOD TRUCK, UM, TACOS DID PRESET AND SHE IS OPEN SIX DAYS A WEEK, UH, MAKES HER OWN SALSA AND OWN TORTILLAS.

SO SHE IS CURRENTLY OPERATING THERE.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A BAKER.

HER BUSINESS IS CALLED THE CORNERED MARKET.

SHE IS ACTUALLY UNDER COTTAGE LAW.

SO SHE HAS MY PERMISSION TO, UM, OPERATE THERE.

UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, SO THAT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO AMEND OUR PERMIT FOR SHE'S CURRENTLY FINE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHICH BUSINESSES ARE CURRENTLY HERE.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR COFFEE VENDOR, IT'S STITCHING TOAD COFFEE, AND HE'S HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

THIS IS HIS, UM, CART THAT HE SELLS HIS COFFEE OUT OF.

UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING ON OUR PROPERTY.

UM, SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS OUR CURRENT, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A FOOD AND RETAIL PARK.

AND THEN AS WELL AS OUR B AND BS.

UM, SO ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UM, WE HAD OUR COFFEE VENDOR WHO, UH, OPENED UP.

HE WENT THROUGH QUITE A LONG PROCESS, ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY OF LEANDER AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF PERMITS WERE NEEDED.

UM, AND SO THEY TOLD HIM THAT HE, UH, WAS FINE.

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UH, THEY TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS, HE COULD JUST FILE FOR A, UH, FOOD PERMIT IS WHAT THEY CALLED IT.

AND SO WE, WE WERE FINE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF UNTIL A COMPLAINT WAS FILED.

UM, AND WHEN HE WENT TO RENEW HIS PERMIT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY, UM, INFORMED HIM THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR AND THAT HE WOULD NEED TO, UM, BE UNDERNEATH A FARMER'S MARKET.

SO THEY TOLD US, I SPOKE WITH, UM, THE DIRECTOR OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND SHE TOLD US THAT WE HAD TO ADD THE LANGUAGE OF FARMER'S MARKET AND OPEN AIR VENDORS IN ORDER FOR HIM TO RENEW HIS PERMIT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A BIT OF A PROBLEM WHEN HE HAS BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO OPERATE BY BOTH THE CITY AND THE STATE.

AND THEN A YEAR LATER SAY, YOU KNOW, NO, YOU CAN'T OPERATE.

SO HE HAS INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS BUSINESS.

IT'S HIS LIVELIHOOD.

UM, ANY BRINGS A LOT OF BUSINESS TO OLD TOWN, TO THE, TO THE, UM, WILDFIRE PARK.

AND SO ANYWAY, IT'S, HE'S MADE A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN HIS BUSINESS AND WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO OPERATE.

AND SO NOW HE'S BEEN TOLD HE CAN'T OPERATE BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

AND SO THEY'RE REQUESTING US, THE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS REQUESTING THAT WE HAVE THIS LANGUAGE ADDED.

SO I'VE GONE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO CONFIRM WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR OUR VENDORS TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

SO I THINK THAT FEELS ONLY, YEAH, THAT'S THE END OF THE END OF THE SHOW.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION IN LETTING US CONTINUE TO, UH, WE, LIKE, I SHOWED YOU, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE FUNCTIONING HERE AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.

THANK YOU.

NEXT.

WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THEY WANT TO SPEAK OR NOT.

SO I'LL ASK AS I CALL FOR YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

EXCUSE ME.

IF I MISPRONOUNCE, UM, ROBERT, BELLA, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

NEXT DOOR COMES IN BOTH PLACES LIKE THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

MY NAME IS ROBERT VELA.

I LIVE AT 101 9 CALISTOGA HERE IN LEANDER.

I AM HERE TO SUPPORT, UH, THE PETITION AND THAT AS A LONG TIME CUSTOMER OF THAT AREA, AS WELL AS A SMOOTH MARKET NEXT DOOR, WE'VE PROBABLY SPENT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AT EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS, IN SOME CASES, PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT.

SO, UH, WE TEND TO GO TO THE MARKETS EVERY SATURDAY.

WE ENJOY THE TIME THAT WE GET TO SPEND THERE AND NEXT DOOR, UM, VISITING WITH VENDORS AGAINST SPENDING MONEY AND BEING REALLY ACTIVE THERE.

UM, THE FOOD TRUCK, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, DITCH AND TOAD ARE JUST PART OF OUR, UH, OUR ROUTINE.

IT'S JUST, UH, HOW MY WIFE AND I GET TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER.

WE GET TO, UH, INTERMINGLE OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY COME ALONG TO MEET THERE.

AND LOTS OF PEOPLE PARK AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL.

AND THEN THEY WALKED NEXT DOOR, OR SO IT'S A NICE AREA TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE COME TOGETHER.

SO AGAIN, I'M JUST SUPPORTING THIS GROUP AND I LIKE YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND THERE'S ALSO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ANGEL MAXWELL.

YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE.

HI, MY NAME'S ANGEL MAXWELL AT 2 4, 5 0 4 FOND DRIVE, LEANDER, TEXAS.

I AM THE OWNER OF, UM, SMOOTH VILLAGE, AS WELL AS THE OLD TOWN LEANDER FARMER'S MARKET.

WE STARTED IN 2017.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SO MANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RENDITIONS AND UPDATES, AND SUCH TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR VERBIAGE IS PROPER.

UM, WE HAVE AN ISSUE, A STRONG ISSUE WITH THEIR REQUEST BECAUSE IT HAS MADE A HEAVY IMPACT ON SEVERAL OF OUR VENDORS WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET.

AND SO I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THEM.

WE HAVE 35 PLUS VENDORS AND IT CONTINUES TO GROW EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

WE HAVE HAD A BRAND DISILLUSION HAPPENING.

WE HAVE, UM, HAD QUITE A FEW ISSUES THAT I'VE BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION CODE ENFORCEMENT'S ATTENTION.

AND, UH, I JUST REALLY THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF CRAZY TO HAVE TWO FARMER'S MARKETS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

IF THIS WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, I WOULD A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT IT, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.

AND IT IS SO, SO SIMILAR THAT YOU CANNOT THE DIFFERENCE.

AND THAT IS I THINK MY BIGGEST ISSUE, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

AND SO AS THE GENTLEMAN, PRIOR TO ME SAID, HE PARKS

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BUT WHEN I FIRST SPOKE FOR THEM, I SAID IN BEHALF OF THEM, WHENEVER THEY ORIGINALLY GOT THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND I WAS FOR ANYTHING THEY DID, AS LONG AS IT DID NOT COPY ANYTHING WE CURRENTLY WERE DOING.

AND THEREFORE WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.

SO I AM STRONGLY AGAINST IT.

MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT.

THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT.

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND THIS IS MY ONLY, ONLY ACTION.

I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.

SO IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.

SO THANK YOU.

CHAD MAXWELL, HE'S NOT HERE.

HE LET IT SHOW THAT HE WAS AGAINST THIS AND THAT SPAWN SELLER.

HI, MY NAME IS ANNETTE SPAWN SELLER.

I LIVE AT 4 0 2 HERNANDO SLOOP, LEANDER, TEXAS.

I AM AGAINST THIS ITEM, UM, BASICALLY FOR WHAT ANGEL SAID, IT'S, THEY'RE TRYING TO MIMIC THE EXACT SAME BUSINESS NEXT DOOR.

UM, AND THE FARMER'S MARKET THAT THEY HAVE IS, IS AMAZING.

UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT, I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE, UH, IT'S AMAZING AND YOU SHOULD CHECK IT OUT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD BE APPROVED NEXT DOOR, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE VIOLATIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD AGAINST THEM.

THANK YOU.

DID ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE? THEM, IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION MR. BAGAN.

SO, SO MY, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE WHAT, WHAT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE FROM A SNYDER.

SO NO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK UP.

I'M SORRY.

YOU GUYS SPEAK INTO THE MIC.

UM, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU PLAN TO DO DIFFERENT TOMORROW? IF YOU GOT THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEN YOU'RE DOING TODAY, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT TOMORROW.

WE, WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE A COMPLAINT WAS FILED AGAINST US.

AND IN, WHEN WE TRIED TO RENEW OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT, THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE OPERATING.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, UM, FOR YOUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT NOW, IT TALKS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A RETAIL FOOD PARK, UTILIZING MOBILE AIRSTREAMS OR SIMILAR STYLE TRAILERS AND OR FOOD TRUCKS AND THE REASON.

SO I, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THAT, WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT DOESN'T COVER WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY.

SO YOU'RE COMING IN TO TRY TO COVER THAT.

AND I GET THAT THE CITY MIGHT'VE TOLD YOU SOMETHING AND SOMEONE MIGHT'VE TOLD YOU SOMETHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, TH THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS IN YOUR ORIGINAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE FOR STAFF.

SORRY.

UM, SO, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S BEST TO ANSWER THIS, BUT, UM, GIVEN THE CONCERNS OF THEIR NEIGHBORS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO ALLOW, UH, THE GENTLEMEN WITH THE DITCH AND TOW COFFEE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITH, UH, AND TO BE ABLE TO RENEW HIS PERMIT WITH OUT, HAVING TO DESIGNATE THEM AS A FARMER'S MARKET? LIKE, IS THIS THE ONLY OPTION THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE REALLY GIVING THEM TRY TO TACKLE THAT, OR I'LL TAG IN ROBIN, BUT, UM, SO THE GENTLEMAN'S ON A TEMPORARY PERMIT RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE SUP GOES ON.

SO HE'S DOING, UH, BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY.

I THINK THE ISSUE IS IN HOW COUNTY DEFINES WHAT HE'S DOING VERSUS WHAT'S ALLOWED PER THE SUP.

SO IN ORDER TO MAKE, I GUESS, BOTH WORK, UH, WE HAVE TO PASS THE SUP, UH, TO GET THE HAND CARD, I GUESS.

UM, SO I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, COULDN'T WE COULDN'T, WE MODIFY IT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, TRAILERS, FOOD TRUCKS, HANDCARTS LIKE WE HAD J WE AMENDED, WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR SMOOTH VILLAGE WHEN THEY WANTED TO DO, UH, WHEN THEY WANTED TO ADD IN THE, THE, THE ALCOHOL, YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR, THEIR BAR PIECE ON THAT, WHERE WE DIDN'T JUST DO A COMPLETE AMENDMENT.

WE ACTUALLY MODIFIED IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PIECE.

I THINK THE ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE CITY, IT'S THE COUNTY'S REGULATION, BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS SAYING TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF USE AND GET A PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, FARMER'S MARKET, RIGHT? YEAH.

CAUSE WE WE'VE ALLOWED A TEMPORARY PEDDLERS PERMIT TO LET THEM CONTINUE, BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE COUNTY'S RULES.

FOR THAT PEDDLERS PERMIT.

HOW LONG CAN WE LET A TEMPORARY PERMIT GO? IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD EXTEND? THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

SO THE COUNTY'S WORKING WITH THEM ON THE TEMPORARY PERMIT AND THEY'RE ALLOWING IT UNTIL THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FINISHED.

SO WE EITHER HAVE TO DO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR NOT.

IT'S EASY, IT'S AN UP AND DOWN THING.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN GO HERE AND SAY, THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE WE, I THINK THEY'RE THEIR TERMS AND HE'LL JUST HAVE TO KEEP REAPPLYING

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UM, BUT THE, THE COUNTY WOULD ACTUALLY LET THEM HAVE A PERMIT.

IF THEY HAD A FARMER'S MARKET, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RENEWAL PROCESS.

DO WE HAVE A FARMERS MARKET PERMIT OVER ON THE OTHER HALF OF THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY? SO SWEET VILLAGE IS APPROVED FOR FARMERS.

SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A FARMERS MARKET PERMIT FOR PART OF THE PROPERTIES DOWN THERE, BUT NOT FOR THE WHOLE AREA THAT THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.

WELL, THEY ARE TWO PEOPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT TO THE UNTRAINED EYE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ALL ONE BIG THING.

SURE.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S STANCE IS ON THIS? YES.

IT HAS TO BE A FARMER'S MARKET FOR THEM TO OPERATE.

UM, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

UM, WELL I, OKAY.

SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT THIS IS WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING TO GO TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST.

I, UM, I THINK THAT THIS PART OF TOWN GROWING THE WAY THAT IT HAS AND HAVING THIS VERY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HOME SPAWN, INCREMENTAL SORT OF, UM, IMPROVEMENT OVER TIME HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC FOR A SENSE OF PLACE IN LEANDER, SPECIFICALLY IN OLD TOWN.

UM, I WAS HERE FOR THE FIRST SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT MRS MRS. MAXWELL CAME IN AND ASKED FOR, WAS ENTIRELY IN SUPPORT OF THAT HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF EVERY SINGLE, UH, AMENDMENT, UH, THERE'S ONE OR TWO OF THEM THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH.

YOU CAN BASICALLY ALWAYS COUNT THAT I WILL BE VOTING FOR IT.

AND I WAS, I WAS FOR THIS OTHER ONE WHEN IT CAME IN.

I MEAN, MY, MY PERSONAL INTENTION WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY FOOD, ET CETERA, THAT IT, I MEAN, FOOD AND CARTS, YOU KNOW, TH TH THE INTENT IS THAT THIS PLACE IS KIND OF THIS SPROUTED OUT OF THE GROUND, LOW INTENSITY, LOW BARRIER TO ENTRY FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES KIND OF PLACE.

AND, UM, THOUGH I DO HAVE THE GREATEST RESPECT FOR MRS. MAXWELL.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS OUR POSITION TO SAY, IF YOU'RE FIRST TO THE PARTY, YOU GET TO EXCLUDE EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND I, I DO BELIEVE THAT LEANDER IS A BIG ENOUGH AND GROWING ENOUGH COMMUNITY THAT THIS, AND IN FACT MORE CAN HAPPEN IN THIS AND SIMILAR PLACES AND THERE'S A MARKET FOR ALL OF IT.

SO, I MEAN, MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THIS WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY SORT OF PREJUDICE.

AND I'D BE INCLINED TO REALISTICALLY, I MEAN, WHEN THIS GOT STARTED, IT WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A FUNCTIONAL PART OF THE CODE TO JUST ALLOW THIS WHERE IT MADE SENSE.

AND WE TRIED AND WE ITERATED AND WE CHANGED OVER TIME AND IT SORT OF COALESCED AROUND A SERIES OF THINGS.

I MEAN, MY SUGGESTION HERE WOULD BE THAT WE APPROVE THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND THEN WE BRING BACK BOTH TO THE COMMISSION AND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT WE CAUTIFY THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MORE EASILY REPLICATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THIS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO START AS A PERSON WITH A DREAM AND A TENT AND GET STARTED IN THIS CITY.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE LOWEST BARRIER TO ENTRY FOR ANY PERSON STARTING A BUSINESS.

SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE OF IT.

NOT LESS.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT MR. HAMPTON THIS WHOLE TIME.

I WAS CURIOUS WHAT WAS IN THOSE, THOSE SILVER TRAILERS.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AIRBNB.

SO NOW I KNOW I CAN TELL THE WIFE NOW SHE KNOWS.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS.

I, I WISH YOUTUBE CAN COME TO A CONVERSATION, KIND OF MAKE ONE BIG FARMER'S MARKET.

THAT WOULD BE COOL.

ONE THING I WAS, I'VE BEEN THERE MAYBE LIKE ONCE OR TWICE BY HAVE BEEN DURING THE WEEKDAY, IS THE COFFEE THERE DURING THE WEEKDAY AS WELL? OR IS IT ALL IN THERE DURING THE WEEKEND? OKAY.

THERE ARE LIKE TWO OTHER COFFEES THAT SHOW UP THERE AS WELL.

COYOTE COLLAR.

ASKING US HERE IS BASICALLY TO RESTRICT HER NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO NOT HAVE THE SAME BENEFITS SHE DOES.

UM, UH, YEAH, I REALLY JUST KIND OF WISH YOU TWO CAN KIND OF FIGURE THIS ONE OUT.

UM, IF I'M KIND OF LIKE COMMISSIONER, UH, HIGH, AND I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS TWO SEPARATE LAND.

I THOUGHT ONE PERSON OWNED EVERYTHING AND YOU'RE JUST YOU TAKING YOUR TIME.

SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

MY FIRST THOUGHTS ON THIS IS JUST LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS SAYING THERE.

UH, IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR BOTH PARTIES TO SIT DOWN AND WORK SOMETHING OUT, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE A COFFEE BUSINESS ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT A COFFEE BUSINESS ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE HURT BY IT.

AND WE DON'T WANT DIRECT COMPETITION KILLING OUT THE, UM, NICE THING THAT WE HAVE THAT THAT BEING SAID.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH LANDOWNERS RIGHTS HERE WHERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT, UH, ANGEL AND IS

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UM, AND THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.

SO MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE TO MS. GRIFFIN, IS THERE ANY WAY GIVEN THAT THEY'RE ALREADY OPERATING WITH, WITH THE COFFEE SHOP THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD RESTRICT THE SPECIAL USE FARMER'S MARKET TO, UH, MAYBE ONLY INCLUDE CERTAIN, CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS WAR STARTED HERE, ONE, THE COFFEE GUY TO STAY SWEPT, WHAT SHE'S BASICALLY ASKING FOR.

AND HE'S BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT I THINK YOUR, YOUR ISSUE IS IF YOU, IF YOU DO IT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE COFFEE VENDOR, THAT DOESN'T HELP THE COUNTY, CAUSE THEY'RE SAYING HE'S ALLOWED TO BE THE COFFEE VENDOR.

IF IT'S A FARMER'S MARKET.

WELL, I'M SAYING YOUR FRUITS, WE MAKE IT A FARMER'S MARKET, BUT LIMITED TO COFFEE.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT JUST LIMITED TO COFFEE, BUT NOT, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT DIRECTLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE WE DO STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO WE DON'T SEND THEM DOWN A PATH THAT DOESN'T WORK.

YOU KNOW, LET ME, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

LET'S ASSUME SOMETHING MUCH SIMPLER HERE.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY THEY COME IN, THEY ASK FOR A ZONING CHANGE.

THEY SAY, HEY, I WANT A PIECE OF, I WANT TO SEE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE TO BE ZONED COMMERCIAL.

AND WE LOOK AROUND, WE GO, YEAH, COMMERCIAL MAKES SENSE IN THAT PLACE.

SOMEBODY COMES IN THE NEXT WEEK AND THEY SAY, LOOK, I'VE GOT THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS.

I ALSO THINK IT SHOULD COMMERCIAL.

AND WE SAY, SURE, OF COURSE THE LAST ONE MADE SENSE.

THIS ONE MAKES SENSE.

IF PROPERTY ONE DECIDES TO BUILD A STARBUCKS AND PROPERTY TWO DECIDES TO BUILD A DUNKIN DONUTS, WE DON'T GET TO SIT UP HERE AND SAY, SORRY, YOU CAN'T BUILD A DUNKIN DONUTS.

CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A STARBUCKS THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE SORT OF TENANTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, LARGELY TO BE HONEST.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 10 DISCUSSION REGARDING THE ACTIVITY CENTER LOCATED ALONG ROUND W REAGAN BOULEVARD, INCLUDING THE INTERSECTIONS WITH ZERO WAY IN OUR 2243 WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY'S TEXAS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

IS THIS AN ACTION ITEM? OKAY.

AND SO I'LL, I'LL GO BACK, UM, TO KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF WE COULD MODIFY THE EXISTING, UM, PERMIT, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR.

BUT I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HINES ON THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS, WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOBS RIGHT.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IF WE DIDN'T ALLOW THE FREE MARKET TO DECIDE THE COMPETITION AND, AND, UM, GO IN THERE AND DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHO WHO'S GOING TO BE, THE WINNER AND LOSER.

THAT'S NOT ART.

THAT'S NOT GOVERNMENT'S PLACE TO DO THAT WHEN WE START PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS, EVERYBODY WINDS UP LOSING SO WELL ON THAT NOTE, I'LL MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HINES.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[10. Discussion regarding the Activity Center located along Ronald W. Reagan Blvd including the intersections with Hero Way and RM 2243; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. ]

GOOD EVENING.

SO THIS IS, UM, A DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT A CENTER THAT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING.

UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE COMMISSION ASKED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME, SOME IDEAS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY UPFRONT, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO AN APPROPRIATE PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CENTER.

SO I WANT TO KEEP THAT IN OUR MINDS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO TAKE SOME TYPE OF ACTION, UM, STAFF WANTS TO BE ABLE TO NOTIFY ALL THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CENTER.

SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEND A NOTICE RIGHT AFTER P AND Z AND THEY GET IT THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING.

CAUSE THAT'S SUPER FRUSTRATING.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

UM, THE, THE STAFF DID LOOK AT THE AREA, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBIT WE'VE, UH, IDENTIFIED THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE.

SO THAT IS THE, THE LIGHTS, UH, GREEN AREA THAT WAS IN QUESTION PREVIOUSLY, THIS A HEAVY RED LINE.

UM, THAT'S THE FUTURE HERO WAY REALIGNMENT.

UM, SO SOMETHING WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS CENTER IS, UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL HIGHWAY.

UM, ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT THE STAFF CAME UP WITH, UM, WE, WE, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXISTING LAND USES.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS EXHIBIT ON THE LEFT, UM, THE GRAY IS THE, THE INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY USES THIS, UH, LIGHT BROWN COLOR THAT'S AREA.

THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

AND FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EXERCISE, WE CONSIDERED THAT TO BE INTERIM RESIDENTIAL, THE REDS COMMERCIAL,

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THE YELLOW IS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY AND THE BLUE ARM, SORRY, IT'S RESIDENTIAL.

THE BLUE IS, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO INSTITUTIONAL, SO ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE ZONING CASE.

IT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA, THE M RANCH.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SAID THIS ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HERE AND THE COMMERCIAL HERE.

AND THEN THIS AREA UP HERE, WE WERE USING THIS COUNTY ROAD KIND OF AS A DIVIDING LINE.

UM, AND OUR SUGGESTION IS TO NOT CHANGE THE CENTER TO ELIMINATE IT OR REDUCE IT, BUT TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE CENTER.

SO WE WERE SUGGESTING THAT WE CHANGE THE TEXT TO STATE THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL IS PERMITTED AT THE LOW DENSITY ZONING CATEGORY WITHIN THAT RECHARGE ZONE DUE TO THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITATIONS, UM, BUT NOT REQUIRING IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

SO IF PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY TO STILL THE OPTION TO COME IN WITH THAT REQUEST, UM, I'M NOT VERY WELL VERSED IN THE RECHARGE ZONE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, I THINK WITH LIKE ANY ENTITY, THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD GO VERTICAL.

THERE MIGHT BE WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE IT.

I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE DETAILS.

SO I DIDN'T WANT TO RESTRICT IT IN A WAY WHERE WE HAD NO OPTIONS GOING FORWARD.

THESE NEXT SLIDES KIND OF SHOW, UM, HOW THE, THE MIX CHANGES.

SO THE, THE UPPER LEFT THAT IS THE EXISTING MIX.

SO 79% IS THE INTERIM CATEGORY.

THE 6% THAT WOULD BE THE INSTITUTIONALS OF THE SCHOOL.

AND THEN, UM, THAT'S THAT 10%, 10% IS A COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN THE 5% THAT IS A ZONED OR DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL WITH PURPOSE.

SO IT'S LIKE PART OF A PLOTTED SUBDIVISION AND THE UPDATED CENTER, UM, THAT WOULD ASSUME, UH, THE AREA I SHOWED YOU PREVIOUSLY.

SO IT ASSUMES THAT RESIDENTIAL COULD BE PERMITTED AT THAT LOCATION.

AND I WENT THE WRONG WAY.

HERE WE GO.

AND IN THE BOTTOM, UM, THAT INCLUDES THE NEXT STONING CASE.

SO EVEN WITH CHANGES TO THE MAKEUP OF THE CENTER, THE NEXT ZONING CASE STILL WORKS WITH THE PERCENTAGE CAP.

UM, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 30% RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM, BUT IF PEOPLE DO WANT TO ASK FOR IT, THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM.

SO WE'RE KIND OF STILL WITHIN THAT, THAT THRESHOLD.

UM, SO I GUESS, UH, WITH THAT, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO SOME, SOME QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION MRS. GRIFFIN, A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

UM, SO, SO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE CENTER WITH NO MODIFICATIONS RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE THE ZONING RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES THAT ARE ALLOWED? I BELIEVE IT'S JUST TOWNHOUSE.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THE LAST GUY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T THE OTHER, SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS ONE SEGMENT OF IT, WHERE WE HAVE THE RECHARGE ZONE, WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE INTENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE HERE.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING, OR IS THAT THE EXTENT OF FUTURE? THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

CAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF THE ISSUE WE WERE TASKED WITH, BUT THE IDEA WAS YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SINGLE FAMILY RURAL WHERE THE RECHARGE ZONE EXISTED.

IT WOULDN'T ALLOW COMPACT.

CAUSE THAT TO BE THE WHOLE PURPOSE AND PRESERVING IT.

AND THIS MEANS THAT IF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS CAME FORWARD AND WANTED TO DO A ZONING CHANGE OR DO A SUBDIVISION, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE IF THAT'S LISTED AS AN OPTION.

THANKS.

SO, MS. GRIFFIN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE UPDATED CENTER WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING FOR THE NEXT CASE, UM, THAT, THAT PUTS US AT 26%, UH, DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL AT THAT POINT.

SO THAT MEANS THAT PRETTY MUCH THE MAJORITY OF THAT 45% THAT'S LEFT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S UH, IN INTERIM, RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO COMMERCIAL.

CORRECT.

ABOUT THAT IS LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM.

SO WE GO BACK, WE GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING LAST TIME, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN AND, BUT, BUT WE'RE ALMOST DOING, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST TO THE TABLE WINS, RIGHT.

WHEN WE DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE PIGEONHOLING THEM INTO HAVING TO COME BACK AND DO COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT.

I THINK THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME THAT LIKE, SORT OF GENERALLY SPEAKING, I CAN'T THINK OF A MUCH BETTER WAY TO COME UP WITH IT THEN FIRST TO THE TABLE.

BUT THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING SITUATION BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO WITH THIS ONE BY ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, IS THAT YOU CREATE THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST, THE SIMPLEST CHEAPEST KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES IN, RIGHT? LIKE, UM, THERE'S A S THERE'S SORT OF A BARRIER TO ENTRY THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL WHEN YOU HAVE A MORE INTENSE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO HERE.

LIKE THIS IS THE SMARTEST MOVE ANYBODY COULD MAKE IF WE MAKE THIS CHANGE, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO GET ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL RIGHT OFF THE BAT, AND THEN NOBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.

NOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, THE WEIRD QUESTION

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LET'S JUST ASSUME FOR A MOMENT THAT THEY GET ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO WIND UP LARGELY BEING COMMERCIAL.

IS THAT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M ASKING BECAUSE I'M MAYBE, WELL, I'M NOT THE LANDOWNER, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT LANDOWNERS PLANS ARE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS WE'RE JUST FORCING THEM TO THEN ZONE A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING A, UM, A LANDOWNER WHO'S ALREADY READY AND PREPARED, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, TO, TO KIND OF TAKE UP WHAT WE'VE SAID, WHERE, WHERE THE, UM, UH, APPROPRIATE USES FOR THE LAND AND THE PERCENTAGES.

WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT? I'M TRUE.

I DON'T KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, LAST TIME, THE OTHER THING YOU COULD DO IS YOU COULD SAY, WELL, IF YOU OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOUR ENTIRE PROPERTY HAS TO MEET THESE PERCENTAGES.

SO YOUR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY CAN HAVE MORE THAN 30%, BUT THAT'S NONSENSE.

IF YOU'VE GOT PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT ON ONE OF THE HARD CORNERS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT.

OR YOU GOT AN ACRE OR THREE ACRES, RIGHT? YEAH.

I GET THAT.

THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES BOTH WAYS, BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME DOING THE MENTAL GYMNASTICS HERE OF KNOWING THAT WE ONLY HAVE 4% OF A PROPERTY THAT IS ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED RESIDENTIALLY IN THIS.

NOW THE CITY DOES CHOOSE, UM, TO ALLOW MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THE CENTER.

YOU CAN AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO IT'S NOT FINAL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT CAN CHANGE IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING IN.

ABSOLUTELY.

I WAS IN AN ESPORT AND SOME OF IT, I AGREE WITH MARSHALL AND THIS IS INCREDIBLY HARD TO TRY TO SAY EVERYTHING IN THAT CIRCLE, OR IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN WAY.

AND SOME OF IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO SENSE TO PUT COMMERCIAL OUT IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THAT GRAY AREA THERE WHERE THERE'S MY ACCESS TO IT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S A NEW ROAD COMING THROUGH THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE FACE OF THE WORLD.

AND WE MAY BE AMENDING STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENS ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO ESPECIALLY THE ROAD YOU'RE LOOKING AT, PUTTING IN THERE WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED WAS THE FACT THAT, UH, HERE AWAY GOING TO BE AT SPENDED, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THIS CORNER, FOR THIS ACTIVITY THOUGH.

SO THEN I GO AND I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.

WE SPENT ALL THIS TIME TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND NOW WE'RE COME BACK AND WE PIECEMEAL AND PIECEMEAL AND PIECEMEAL UP TO DEATH, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HODGEPODGE OF THINGS ALL ACROSS THE CITY TODAY BECAUSE WE KEEP MESSING WITH THE PLAN THAT WE SPENT MONEY FOR CONSULTANTS TO COME IN AND PAY AND GIVE US GUIDANCE AND TO DO THAT.

THEN WE HAD CITY COUNCIL COME IN AND APPROVE THAT PLAN.

WELL, BUT IF, IF WE FOLLOW THE PLAN, THE PLAN SAYS THE MIX IS THE MIX.

AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND TAKES UP 30% OF IT, WHY DON'T THEY GET TO DO THAT? AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING THE HARD TIME OF YEAR, BECAUSE NOW I'M, I GO, YOU KNOW, I'M PIGEONHOLING FOLKS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

RIGHT? SO, SO I GET THAT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M AGAINST, UM, THE NEXT ITEM AT ALL, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE EFFECTIVELY DOING THAT.

AND, AND THAT JUST KIND OF HURTS MY HEART A BIT AS WELL.

ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE WAY THAT WE SET UP EVERY OTHER CENTER, THE CIRCLES ARE BASICALLY CENTERED AROUND A BIG, GIANT CORNER, LIKE AN ARTERIAL AND ARTERIAL.

THIS ONE, THEY DID A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT PRESUMES, OKAY, WE'VE GOT WE'RE AWAY BEING EXTENDED, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT, UM, UH, WAS THAT 2243 DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE? YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF LIKE MOVED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY CENTERED AROUND THE ONE.

SO, I MEAN, THIS IS A WEIRD CENTER TO BEGIN WITH.

I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR CENTER, BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, AN INTERESTING AND NEW UNIQUE CASE THAT IT DESERVES A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER CENTERS.

AND YOU COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THAT.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS ABOUT THIS ONE IS THAT REALISTICALLY FOR THAT EDWARDS AWKWARD AT EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE, I MEAN, I WOULD ARGUE, WE DON'T REALLY WANT ANYTHING OTHER THAN VIEW, LOWEST INTENSITY STUFF TO GO ON IT.

I LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE COME UP WITH, BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT, THAT THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL IN THAT SPACE USING THAT COUNTY ROAD AS A, AS A LINE GIVEN WHERE THE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD IS, IS A GREAT IDEA.

WE WANT GIANT ESTATE, LOTS ON IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A BUNCH OF IMPERVIOUS COVER.

SO MAYBE GETTING SOMEONE TO DO THAT FOR US, BY COMING IN HERE AND REQUESTING THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT AS A BAD THING.

AND THEN WE SHOULD BUILD IN THE CAPACITY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME TO BE PART OF IT AS WELL.

AND WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST ADD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PERCENTAGE FOR THE, WHATEVER, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT CIRCLE.

THAT'S IN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE.

THAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE, UH, THAT WE AIM FOR FOR, UH, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU BEFORE THE POLICE COME WITH THE ALARM HERE.

UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOME COMPETING THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME VERY TOUGH CHOICES AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT FOLKS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IT'S GOING TO IMPACT EITHER OUR NEXT APPLICANT OR IT'S GOING TO IMPACT FUTURE APPLICANTS.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE CHOICES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE AND THE COMPETING THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, I LIKE THIS PLAN.

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UM, I JUST THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A RIGHT ANSWER AND DON'T KNOWS THERE'S GONNA BE A WRONG ANSWER WHEN WE HAVE ZONING CASES COMING UP, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE BASED ON THIS.

QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN WE GOT THE SONY OVERLAY AND THEN WE SAW THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY CENTER, LIKE YOU GUYS, I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS THINKING WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I'VE GOT FIVE ACRES AND IT'S OFF BY ITSELF AND I'VE GOT ACCESS TO A COMMERCIAL ROAD AND I'M WORKING WITH 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER, EVEN IF I'M PAYING A LOT FOR THAT LAND, IF I GO A VERTICALLY, WELL, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE I COULD PUT A COMMERCIAL USE, BUT IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE'S NOTHING THERE BUT HOUSES.

I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YES, WE PAID A CONSULTANT, A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THIS PLAN, BUT THEY DO A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS.

AND NOBODY'S CAPABLE OF TAKING EVERY SINGLE BIT OF INFORMATION INTO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY SINGLE LITTLE NUANCE DECISION.

AND TO ME, THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE A COMPLICATED ONE THAT NOT EVERYBODY HAD ALL THE FACTS FOR, AND WE'RE TRYING TO COME.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE THIS ISN'T US SAYING THAT THE COMP PLAN IS BAD OR WAS WRONG.

IT'S JUST SAYING, HEY, WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH NEW INFORMATION.

LET'S COME UP WITH A UNIQUE SOLUTION FOR THIS.

I MEAN, ALL I'M SAYING, HONESTLY, COMMISSIONER MAN, IT'S LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE HEARTBURN ABOUT CORRECTING WHAT IS OTHERWISE AN ERROR? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A, SO WE NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT SOLUTION.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF LEANDER TO WHERE AT WHAT TWO, 216 SQUARE MILE.

WHAT'S THE, I DON'T KNOW IT.

I CAN, I CAN LOOK IT UP FOR YOU A HECK OF A LOT OF LAND AREA.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP HOLISTICALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE CIRCLE LIKE THIS, IT'S, IT'S A SMALL PART OF IT.

AND WE'RE EVEN TAKING A SLIVER OFF OF THAT SMALL PART.

AND TO SAY THE, UM, WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT CAN THEY PICK UP EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING, EVERY LITTLE NUANCE IT'S OUT THERE? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY, THEY COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I AGREE THAT WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE HERE.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE LOT, LOTS THERE.

SO YOU CAN HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LIKE SAN ANTONIO, IT'S OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE STONE OAK.

I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY AND WE HAD ZONING CASES ALL THE TIME WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THE PERCENTAGES.

SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD HERE.

AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THE ENTIRE AREA OF YELLOW HAS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY RURAL.

SO WE JUST, WE USE THAT TO KIND OF ESTABLISH AN ESTIMATE FOR A PERCENTAGE.

WE KIND OF GUESSED LIKE HOW IT WOULD WORK AND WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE TO DOING LIKE A REALLY SIMPLE TEXTUAL THING TO JUST SAY, IN THIS ONE CENTER, SINGLE FAMILY RURAL IS ALLOWED.

IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE JUST BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD DO IT EVERYWHERE IN THE SAME? UM, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PHRASE IT IN A WAY WHERE IT'S TARGETED TOWARDS THE RECHARGE ZONE.

SO IF YOU'RE IN THE CENTER AND IT'S PART OF THE RECHARGE ZONE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING THE RURAL IT'S THAT THAT'S A PRETTY EASY CHANGE OR SOMETHING MAYBE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PERCENTAGE.

SO I THINK PART OF OUR POINT WAS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT ACTIVITY CENTER.

YES, WE DID HAVE A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

UM, AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, JUST REMEMBER, UM, WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION.

UM, THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR THE COMMISSION TO SAY, UH, YES, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC NOTICE TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE OR NO, WE DON'T.

GOTCHA.

AND I THINK IF WE DO MAKE THE CHANGE, WE NEED TO DO IT WITH ONE FELL SWOOP LIKE THAT.

I DON'T LIKE HOW MANY CASES WOULD WE HAVE IN THERE THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 10 OR 15? UM, SO, UH, JOE WILLIAMS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS JOE WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 1801 REAL WIND COVE, AUSTIN, TEXAS, NOT REALLY AN OUTSIDER.

I'VE BEEN A BROKER HERE IN AUSTIN FOR 45 YEARS.

UM, I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THE GIN TWO GENTLEMEN BACK HERE THEY'RE LIKELY TO SPEAK AS WELL.

WE HAD PLACED ONE OF THE, UH, CALL THE SAC LOTS UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE LCRA TO PURCHASE IT.

THEIR WHOLE CONCEPT WAS TO TRY TO PUT TWO OR THREE HOMES.

THAT'S A SEVEN ACRE TRACT, AND WE JUST HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY MEETINGS WITH ROBIN.

HER STAFF WAS VERY HELPFUL.

UH, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT WE ARE INDEED THE, UH, RECHARGED.

SO THAT GIVES US A 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER.

BUT MORE THAN THAT, UH, WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN TO 64, WHICH IS OF COURSE THAT UPPER CALLED A SAC THERE, ALL YOU HAVE ON THAT STREET ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE PURCHASED THE LOTS, BUILT THEIR HOUSES MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND INDEED ON THE SEVEN ACRE PARCEL, UH, TO THE LEFT OF US, TO THE RIGHT OF US, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND SO

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AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE GENTLEMEN WHO PURCHASED THE 17 ACRE PARCEL, THAT WAS THE CASE YOU HAD IN YOUR LAST MEETING, WHERE HE'S TRYING TO GO RURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH AS A BROKER, DRIVING DOWN THAT STREET MAKES COMPLETELY LOGICAL SENSE.

EVERYBODY IS DOWN THERE WITH A HOUSE AND COMMISSIONERS.

I WOULD TELL YOU THIS.

IF I HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME, A CITY HIRED A PERSON TO COME IN AND DO THEIR OVERLAY WHO MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW THEIR CITY, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, I'D BE A VERY RICH MAN BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UH, I HELPED START KELLER WILLIAMS. WE HAVE 700 OFFICES ACROSS THE NATION.

BELIEVE ME, I'VE BEEN BEFORE A FEW P AND Z COUNCILS WONDERING WHEN THEY DID THIS OVERLAY, WHY DID THEY LAY THAT THERE? BECAUSE ALL YOU'VE GOT IS HOUSES TO ME THAT WHOLE CUL-DE-SAC WILL BE FINISHED OUT WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN SOME TYPE OF A ROLE SCENARIO.

IT'S AS GOOFY AS, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IN A DEROGATORY SENSE, BUT LEANDRA CHANGED THE RULES THAT SAYS, IF YOU'RE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SEWAGE LINE, YOU CAN'T USE A SEPTIC TANK.

YOU HAVE TO HOOK UP TO THE SEWAGE LINE.

WELL, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IF THEY BOUGHT THIS SEVEN ACRES, THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO DROP A LIFT STATION IN TO GET IT TO THE ROAD.

WELL, THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE EITHER.

SO ANYHOW, I WOULD SAY IN THIS CASE, WHEN THEY DID THE OVERLAY, PROBABLY THEY JUST DIDN'T LOOK AT IT THAT CAREFULLY, BUT HAVING THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IN THE RECHARGE SET UP SUCH THAT YOU'VE GOT ACCESS AND SOME OPTIONS FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL JUST MAKES SENSE.

THANK YOU, MOHAMMED MOHIT.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MESSED UP YOUR NAME.

RESIDENTS WILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR A ZONE CHANGE AGAIN, OR WILL THIS KIND OF PROPOSAL WITH THE LIMITATION THAT YOU SAID ALL THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREA IS CONSIDERED NOW AS THE SINGLE FAMILY ROOM.

THANK YOU FOR COMING SHERIFFS.

THANKS FOR GIVING US TIME.

I HAVE FEW QUESTIONS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I CAN PREACH MY 2 CENTS.

UH, MY PROFESSION, I AM AN CIVIL AND ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER.

I STARTED MY CARRIER HERE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS WITH TCEQ USED TO BE TNRCC.

AT THAT POINT, I USED TO WORK ON EDWARD SOCCER FOR ZONE AND AS PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL.

SO I DO UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY BEHIND IT.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS JOE MENTIONED, AFTER WE PUT THE CONTRACT IN, UH, I DID TALK TO TCQ AT LENGTH.

SO WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS OR THE ZONE.

HOWEVER, THE CITY, I THINK IF I'M OBSERVING AS AN OUTSIDER, THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF IT'S HERE IN THE LAST MEETING TOO.

SO MS. GRIFFIN, THE WAY SHE PRESENTED, PROBABLY SETTING THE PERCENTAGES, HOW ARBITRARY THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE.

HOWEVER, IF, IF I HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN, DRIVE DOWN THAT CUL-DE-SAC CR 2 64, WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE SET A VISION OF ACTIVITY CENTER ACTIVITY CENTER REQUIRES I'M PREACHING THE CHOIR HERE, DIFFERENT FACTORS.

AND ONE OF THE MAJOR FACTOR IS THE ACCESSIBILITY ITSELF.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED FROM THE CITY IS THAT PARTICULAR CUL-DE-SAC FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE CAN HAVE IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC CANNOT EXCEED MORE THAN 30 SINGLE FARM FAMILY, RURAL RESIDENTS.

SO THAT THAT'S A CAP IN ITSELF, RIGHT? SO IF I HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN, IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A CASE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ANY KIND OF ACTIVITIES ENTERING THAT AREA.

NOW, HAVING SAID ALL THAT, KNOWING THE FACT THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SIERRA 2 64 ARE SINGLE FAMILY RURALS, I BELIEVE IT MAKES SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST CONSIDERING A HOLISTIC FACTION AS YOU ALL DISCUSSED LAST TIME.

THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE RATHER THAN PIECEMEALING, YOU KNOW, AND ASKING THE PEOPLE TO COME BACK FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF APPROVALS.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE NOW IS THE YELLOW THING.

IF I HEAR, UH, MS. GRIFFIN, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, IS IT STILL THE FACT THAT FOR OUR SEVEN ACRES PARCEL RIGHT THERE IN WHICH IS IN A TRIANGULAR SHAPE, UH, IF WE HAVE TO BUILD THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RURAL

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SO THEN SHE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AFTER.

SO TH TH TH THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU.

CAUSE SEE ALI KHAN THEY'VE BEEN COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS CASA ALICON.

THE ADDRESS IS 27 37 LAKE FOREST DRIVE.

UM, I'D REALLY WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK ROBIN.

WE'VE BEEN AN EMAIL COMMUNICATION AS WELL.

WE JUST CAME HERE TO GET SOME CONFIDENCE IN A FORMATION THAT WHAT THE COMMISSION HAD RECOMMENDED LAST TIME IS JUST LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND PRETTY MUCH MAKE A CALL SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

AND AGAIN, THE FLAG LORD, THERE IS A LOT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S ABOUT EIGHT ACRES AND IT'S ON THE EDWARDS AQUIFER ZONE AS WELL.

AND THAT HAS THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE RESTRICTIONS.

SO WE JUST WON'T EVEN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THE NEED TO BE FIRST TO WIN, UH, TYPE OF STRATEGY.

IF WE DELAY, THEN WE ARE LOCKED OUT AND HAVING THIS LIGHT COULD NOT BE, IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR US AS WELL.

SO MY HUMBLE APPEAL TO THE CITY AND THE COMMISSIONERS IS WHEN WE DOING THIS CHANGE, IF WE CAN MAKE IT HOLISTIC AND AT LEAST ADD THE STATEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HINES WAS SAYING IS, CAN WE MARK THESE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CATEGORY THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DID YOU, DID ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THE, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? SO, SO ROBIN HELPED ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

SO THE, THE YELLOW THAT YOU HAVE UP AT THE TOP, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, SO THE, THE ACCEPTABLE USE CATEGORIES FOR, FOR HOUSING FOR THE ACTIVITY CENTER IS MULTI-FAMILY AND TOWN HOMES, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR THAT TOP PORTION, CORRECT? YEAH.

THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE DISCUSSION WHEN IT'S OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, UH, THE ISSUE WAS THE LIMIT ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AND SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT.

UM, THE REASON WE HAD THIS ISSUE WITH HAMPTON PARK IS THEY WERE ASKING YOU TO ADD MORE LOTS.

SO THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE BIG LOT AND MAKE IT INTO A BUNCH OF LARGE, LIKE ONE ACRE, LOTS, BUT IT'S ADDING MORE LOTS.

SO IF THEY CAME IN TODAY ON THEIR LOT AND WANT TO PUT ONE HOUSE ON THE EXISTING LOT, IT DOESN'T TRIGGER A CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING AND CREATING MORE, MORE LOTS ON THE PROPERTY.

SO F SO FOR THE PART THAT'S OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A LOWER DENSITY CATEGORY AS AN ACCEPTABLE USE FOR THIS ACTIVITY CENTER.

SO IT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL USE FOR OUR ACTIVITY CENTERS.

IT WOULD BE THE RURAL CATEGORY, RIGHT.

THE SFR.

UM, THAT KINDA MESSES UP NUMBERS TOO.

UM, I'M A, I'M A MATH GUY.

SO IT MESSES ME UP A LITTLE BIT WHEN I'M TRYING TO DEAL WITH NUMBERS HERE AND TRYING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND KIND OF DO WHAT'S RIGHT.

UM, I LIVED IN ENCINO PARK, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE EDWARDS AQUIFER ZONE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT'S THERE RIGHT OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE.

UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT'S RIGHT HERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN EASY.

THEY DID A LOT OF IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY PUT 2 81 IN THERE AND THE EXPANSION ON THAT.

UM, YEAH, I'M, I MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ONES IN YELLOW HAVE TO BE SINGLE FAMILY RULE.

I IMAGINE THE ONES THAT ARE NEXT TO THE, THE NEW ROAD COMING IN, PROBABLY WON'T BE SINGLE FAMILY.

BECAUSE IT HAS THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE IN IT.

THAT'S PROBABLY A SAFE ASSUMPTION.

JUST TALKING ABOUT AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT, UH, RECHARGE ZONE THAT THEY, UH, CAN YOU BASICALLY BUILD A NON-CONFORMING? WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE OKAY.

I I'VE GOT, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A SUGGESTION.

WHAT IF ALL WE DID WAS WE SAID THAT INSIDE THE AREA, THAT'S PART OF THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE.

YOU, IN ADDITION TO THE STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING ACTIVITY CENTER, YOU ALLOW A LOWER INTENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL AT UP TO 100% OF THE RECHARGE ZONE AREA.

AND THEN THE PERCENTAGE THAT FOR WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING 30% OF IT CAN BE TOWNHOME AND 40% OF IT CAN BE THIS AMOUNT.

WE CALCULATE THAT SEPARATE FROM THE RECHARGE ZONE.

SO YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL THOSE PERCENTAGES OUTSIDE OF THE RECHARGE ZONE.

SO IT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST THE 30% LIMIT.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THE MATH.

BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THAT PART OUT, IT REDUCES THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER TO BEGIN TAKING IT OUT.

I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING YOU BASICALLY JUST CREATE LIKE, SORT OF A SUBSET WITHIN THIS ONE ACTIVITY CENTER THAT'S SPECIAL

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I'M NOT EVEN SUGGESTING TAKING IT OUT OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

AND WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN IS THAT YOU COULD STILL PUT COMMERCIAL OR TOWNHOME IN THAT AREA IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO AND MAKE IT CONFORM TO THE RECHARGE ZONE, IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS.

BUT IT GIVES SOMEBODY A, A SIMPLER PATH FOR THEM TO COME IN HERE WITH A STANDARD ZONING CHANGE IN REQUEST SFR.

AND WE COULD SAY, WELL, IT DOES CONFORM TO THESE RULES THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.

SO IF IT'S IN THE EDWARDS OR EDWARDS, BUT IF IT'S IN THE RECHARGE ZONE, THEN IT JUST DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL AS A TOTAL PART OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

I DON'T SEE WHY NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO EXIT IT OUT FROM THE ACTIVITY CENTER BECAUSE THAT REDUCES WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE REST OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

UM, THIS ACTUALLY, YEAH, I LIKE THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET EARLIER WHEN I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE NUMBERS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK, BUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

SO WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE SUGGEST TO, UH, MA MAYBE WE'LL IF MRS. GRIFFIN THINKS THIS IS RIGHT, WE MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT STAFF BRING THAT BACK TO US IN A CODIFIED WAY, ALONG WITH NOTIFYING THE RESIDENTS SO THAT WE CAN DO THIS IN A FORMAL IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D PROBABLY TAKE TO THE COUNCIL AND THE 12TH TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE DO A PUBLIC NOTICE AND START THAT PROCESS, BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO DO A NOTICE.

SO WE'VE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL WITH THIS SPOKEN OF RECOMMENDATION.

NUMBER 11, DISCUSS CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 27 TO AMEND THE CO-OWNER ZONING OF IN-TERM S F R ONE DASH P SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO GC TO THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON THE SFT TWO DASH B SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME ON 13 PARTS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 183.4, ONE FIVE ACRES IN SIZE AND MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 3 3 4 5 3 5 4 9 3 9 1 9 3 9 5 7 HERO WAY 8 3 3 0, UH, 2243 AND 17 5 0 1 ROAD W REAGAN LEANDER WILLIAMS, GALLEY, TEXAS.

SO MOVED SECOND.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY, MOVE ON TO ITEM

[11. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-027 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to GC-2-B (General Commercial) and SFT-2-B (Single-Family Townhouse) on thirteen parcels of land approximately 183.415 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R555235, R031351, R031347, R462377, R555246, R031298, R031398, R473651, R555247, R031280, R031279, R031286, R031297; and more commonly known as 3345, 3549, 3919, 3957 Hero Way, 8330 RR 2243, and 17501 Ronald W Reagan Blvd, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MICHAEL CHANESKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

DIDN'T CHANGE.

UH, SO AS WE MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS, UH, APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY, UH, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND I WANTED TO CORRECT THAT TYPE OF THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE HAD MENTIONED LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, IS 129.6, THREE ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND 53.785, UH, ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF RONALD REAGAN AND HIRO WAY, UH, WITH A PORTION THAT EXTENDS DOWN TO RM 2243, UH, THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST ARE MAJORITY, UH, LOCATED IN THE, UH, EMPLOYMENT CENTER WITH THE PROPERTIES LOCATED TO THE EAST, LOCATED WITHIN THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

THE SUBJECT AREA CONTAINS UNPLANTED PARCELS, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE PLANTED AS THE AREA DEVELOPS.

A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY DOES EXTEND INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN.

AND AS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, MANY OF THESE PARCELS WERE PART OF A PREVIOUS ZONING CASE, UH, WHICH ASKS TO CHANGE FROM SFR ONE B TO A PUD, UH, WITH THE BASE ZONING OF SF E A T F OR SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE TO FAMILY COTTAGE, HOUSING NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

UM, ONE THING WE DID WANT TO BRING UP AS WELL.

UH, THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION STAFF DID NOTICE A DISCREPANCY IN THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BOUNDARY.

SO WE ASKED THAT THE APPLICANTS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO THOSE, UH, MISSING, UH, OWNERS BETWEEN NOW AND THE CITY COUNCIL DATE ON OCTOBER 12TH.

UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CURRENTLY DESIGNATES, UH, THIS AREA AS EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND ACTIVITY CENTER.

AND THE ACTIVITY CENTER DOES HAVE A, DOES THAT DESIRED LAND USE DISTRIBUTION OF 70 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT COMMERCIAL AND ZERO TO 30% RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO SUGGESTS THAT LAND WITHIN THE ACTIVITY CENTER BE IMPLEMENTED USING A STRATEGICALLY PLANNED FRAMEWORK, TYPICALLY A PUD.

THIS CAN HELP BALANCE THE APPROPRIATE LAND USES WHEN MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS EXIST IN AN ACTIVITY CENTER, UH, WITHOUT A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, THE ACTIVITY CENTER ALSO INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL IN THE FORM OF VERTICALLY INTEGRATED MIXED USE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL USES ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, AND WERE TOWNHOUSE STYLE OR MID DENSITY.

RESIDENTIAL IS PERMITTED.

IT SHOULD ALSO BE INTEGRATED INTO THE BROADER DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE ACTIVITY

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CENTER.

THE PROPOSED SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOUSE USE COMPONENT IS INTENDED TO BE UTILIZED AS INFILL OR BE PART OF A PLANNED COMMUNITY GREATER THAN A HUNDRED ACRES.

IN THIS CASE, THE PLANNED COMMUNITY FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE COMPONENT WOULD COMPRISE LESS THAN 10% OF THAT COMMUNITY.

AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THIS REQUEST W UH, WOULD INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL PERCENTAGE FROM 10% TO 23% AND INCREASED THE RESIDENTIAL FROM 5% TO 13%.

AND THE ACTIVITY PRESENTER ENCOURAGES THAT 70 TO 100% COMMERCIAL.

AND DOES ALLOW CURRENTLY UP TO 30% RESIDENTIAL THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE JUST, JUST A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE HAVE A APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

HOW DO I LIVE? NO, IT'S THE POWERFUL, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE WERE HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

UM, TOOK ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED TO, UH, CONTEXT AND HOPE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE TONIGHT.

UM, LAST, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM TWO CITIZENS THAT WERE LIVING IN THE RIDGE MAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, MR. UH, MOHAMMAD, UH, WHO JUST SPOKE JUST NOW CONCERNING HIS ITEM.

SO WE HAD THREE CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS THAT, UH, SPOKE TO US.

THE REST OF THEM WERE, UH, QUESTIONS AND THE QUESTIONS WERE OVERLAPPING QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL IN THIS ACTIVITY CENTER AND WE JUST STARTED CHANGING IT RIGHT NOW.

SO HOW DID IT CHANGE? AND, AND APPARENTLY IT'S ABOUT TO CHANGE AGAIN.

AND, UM, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

HOW ARE THE ROADS GONNA LOOK? UM, HOW IS TRANSPORTATION GOING TO BE DEALT WITH, WHAT ABOUT WATER QUALITY? WHAT ABOUT THE EDWARDS OFF FOR, WHAT ABOUT TCEQ? WHAT ABOUT, UH, UM, WATER SUPPLY? UH, WHAT ABOUT THE NAME OF THE ROADS AND WHO WAS NOTIFIED AND, OH, BY THE WAY, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HOSPITAL, THE HOSPITAL WHERE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, OR, AND, UM, IS THIS ONLY GOING TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOUSES AND NO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? SO I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT, UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

UH, WE WERE HERE A YEAR AGO AND FELT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAD A REALLY, REALLY COOL PROJECT THAT WAS GOING TO BE HERE AND NOW WE'RE BACK AND WE REALLY WANT TO GET SOMETHING ON THE GROUND SO THAT WE CAN START DEVELOPING THIS INTO A REALLY COOL, A REALLY COOL PROJECT.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING, UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE PROPOSING THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSES.

THAT'S HOW IT LAYS OUT IN THE FUTURE.

UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OR THE, I GUESS IT'S CALLED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD WAS, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE ROADS? THERE'S A LOT OF ACCIDENTS.

UM, YOU GUYS ARE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT AGAIN, THE DESIRED MIXES UP TO 30% RESIDENTIAL.

SO A BIG QUESTION WAS, WELL, HOW MUCH ARE WE TAKING? HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO PREVENT SOMEBODY ELSE FROM, FROM USING, I'LL GET TO THAT.

BUT, UM, I WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AT LEAST IT WAS IN THE 2015, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, THIS CORNER WAS ILLUSTRATED IN THERE AS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT ON THIS CORNER.

THAT IS THE ACTUAL CORNER.

THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE IS, UH, THAT'S THE HERO.

AND THIS IS, UH, RONALD REAGAN.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, AND THEN DOWN THE MIDDLE IS WHERE WE'RE DOING THE TOWN HOME CENTERS.

AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WHOLE THING WAS AN IDEA.

THE IDEA IS, HEY, LET'S PUT SOME RESIDENTIAL USE IN HERE, AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE LINING THE ROADS.

SO WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? UM, WITH THE REDUCTION OF THE CHUCK THAT JUST GOT REMOVED, I, OR WILL, I GUESS, WILL BE REMOVED BY CITY COUNCIL COMING UP.

WE ARE, AND THIS IS HOW IT WORKS OUT.

WE ARE 12% OF THAT ZONE IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL AND 7%.

SO 7% OF THAT WHOLE ZONE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOUSE.

THIS IS HOW AMERICA WORKS OUT.

WE HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ALL, ARE WE 50 50? OR WHERE ARE WE? SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS WE ARE 71, 6, 8 VERSUS 29% RESIDENTIAL.

SO THAT'S HOW THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR WHOLE, THE ZONING CASE SPLITS OUT.

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AND, UH, WE WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THAT RIDGE MAR ROAD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN NAME IT, WHATEVER WE NEED TO NAME IT, BUT IS PLANNED TO BE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT NEXT TO THE TOWNHOMES.

AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A ROAD THAT WILL COME THROUGH THE MIDDLE RIGHT HERE THAT WILL CONNECT TO RIGHT AWAY.

AND OF COURSE, EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE OTHER ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING.

THIS IS HOW IT KIND OF LOOKS.

UM, AND WE HAVE ILLUSTRATED WHAT WE THINK WILL BE OTHER ROADS THAT ARE NOT ON YOUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF HOW WE THINK THE ROADS WILL COME THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE CAN BRING, UM, ACCESS TO TRACKS OF LAND AS THIS, UH, PROJECT MATURES.

UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE WATER, UH, THE WATER SYSTEM MAP AND INSIDE YOUR UPDATED JULY, 2021, UM, WATER, UH, PLAN IS THE PROJECT.

SO THEY, THOSE LITTLE NUMBERS ARE SHOWING UP RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE, THE PROJECT WITH F WHICH I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

AND THAT IS OUR PROJECT.

SO OUR PROJECT IS PLANNED IN YOUR WATER USE PLAN.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN IT'S THE CITY STAFF IS DESIGNING AND WORKING ON PLANS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY THE WATER FOR THIS PROJECT.

NOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GET DONE.

I, I THINK IT WILL.

I THINK ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU GUYS, YOU'RE A GROWING CITY, YOU GUYS HAVE GOOD TAX BASE.

UH, YOU GOT THE ABILITY TO GET THESE THINGS DONE.

AND OF COURSE THERE'S OUR WASTEWATER.

I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE WASTEWATER IS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.

AND IT'S READILY AVAILABLE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, EDWARDS AQUIFER.

YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THEY HAD WAS THEIR OFFER IS, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LINE AND THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

UM, WE NOTIFIED EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FEET THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED.

IN ADDITION, I GUESS WE HAVE TO, UM, GET WITH, UH, WITHIN 500 FEET, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, THERE ARE A FEW NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON RIDGE BAR, UH, KISS.

I CAN'T HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE IT'S WHITE.

UM, THERE'S ABOUT FIVE HOMES ON THE VERY BOTTOM THAT, UH, WE WILL, UH, GET WITH AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE ZONING CASE, BUT I, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW IF I, UM, EVERYONE WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IS THIS GOING TO BE TOWNHOMES ONLY? UM, I MENTIONED LAST OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DIVULGE POTENTIAL CONTRACTS, BUT, UH, UH, THIS IS WHAT IT WILL BE.

WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY.

SO WE HAVE A, UH, MAJOR HOTEL BRAND IT'S GOING TO BE HERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT ON RONALD REAGAN.

AND THEY'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, SOME RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE READY, ADJACENT TO IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A REAL DEAL, I MEAN, BUT IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

AND IT DOESN'T EVEN UNLESS THE ZONING OCCURS.

OF COURSE.

AND, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ANSWER WAS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HOSPITAL.

SO, UH, THERE'S, LEANDRA'S FIRST SURGICAL SURGERY CENTER IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE SITE PLANS WILL BE PRESENTED TO STAFF SHORTLY.

THIS IS NOT IN OUR ZONING CASE, UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAD TO GET GOING.

SO WHAT, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED IS ON THE, UH, WHAT IS IT SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY ON THE INTERSECTION OF 22, 43 AND, AND RONALD REAGAN.

SO THESE, THESE THINGS ARE REAL.

THIS WILL HAPPEN ONLY IF WE GET TO ARIZONA, BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE PRESENTED AND MY INTENTION WAS THAT I HOPE THAT I WAS ABLE TO ANSWER THEM.

I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

AND, BUT, UH, WE FEEL LIKE, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP FOR US TO START GETTING SOMETHING ON THE GROUND AT THIS MAJOR INTERSECTION.

AND MAYBE WE CAN REALIZE THAT BIGGER GRAND PICTURE THAT WE HAD PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

THANK YOU.

A, I WANT TO SAY WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL PARTS OF IT THAT, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GIFT.

UH, NOPE.

NOBODY UP HERE IS AGAINST ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL.

UM, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO ASK, WAS THERE A PURPOSE BEHIND THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL MIX? UH, I MEAN, IT ISN'T, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT NO, THERE WAS NOT, IT, IT BASICALLY IT FOLLOWS, UM, EXISTING PROPERTY LINES, SO THAT, SO THAT IT WAS EASILY DEFINED.

UM, SO THAT PERCENTAGE IS

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LIKE 7% OF THE TOTAL NODE.

THAT THERE'S NO MAGIC NUMBER.

I MEAN, I WAS PLEASED TO FIND OUT THAT IT WAS ABOUT ONE, IF YOU'VE SPLIT IT IN QUARTERS ARE QUARTER OF THAT QUARTER, THAT QUARTER, OR THAT QUARTER, THAT IS LESS THAN, THAN YOUR SHARE OF THE 30%.

HOWEVER, THAT NUMBER IS ABOUT TO CHANGE.

I BELIEVE SO, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO MAGICAL NUMBER TO IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSION IS AGAINST SINGLE FOUNDED TOWNHOMES, W WE JUST NEED TO KNOW, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A DEAL KILLER, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PHASING OF THE, FROM THE TIME IT'S APPROVED TO THE TIME THINGS ARE BELTS, UM, DID YOU HAVE A TIMELINE AT ALL ON THOSE, UH, IF I'M GOING TO EXTRAPOLATE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF I EXTRAPOLATE YOUR QUESTION, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LIKE BUILD CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL BEFORE WE CAN BUILD ANY SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOMES.

WELL, MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVED IT TODAY, SAY TOMORROW, EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED.

YES.

ARE, ARE, IS THE TIMELINE, UH, SIX MONTHS TO THE COMPLETION OF ALL OF THE ABC OR D I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, EVERYONE KIND OF HAS A GOOD FEEL ABOUT THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.

UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE STUFF THAT WILL CONSUME THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AWAY, BUT IS IT GOING TO CONSUME ALL 190 SOMETHING ACRES? NO.

UM, IS IT LIKELY THAT THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOMES IS GOING TO KICK CONSUME QUICKER? YES.

I MEAN, CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.

THE MARKET IS FOR FINDING PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I HEARD THIS FROM A CLIENT TODAY, UH, RETAIL FOLLOWS ROOFTOPS AND, AND THAT IS A REALITY.

NOW THE ROOFTOPS ARE GOING TO BE FURTHER NORTH OF US, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ROOFTOPS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE GOING TO DRIVE SOME RETAIL, BUT THEY, THEY REALLY LIKE RETAIL IN PROXIMITY TO THE ROOFTOPS.

MR. HAMPTON.

WELL, WE DEFINITELY GOT A LOT OF ROOFTOPS HERE, SO WE'LL LOVE SOME, SOME OF THOSE RETAILS, UH, IS MY MICROPHONE ON, I DON'T THINK SO.

MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.

ANYWAYS.

UH, HOW, HOW SOON ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE THOSE ROADS PUT IN OR ANY ROADS UPDATES? ARE THERE DATES PUT IN PLACE YET? ARE YOU ASKING ME ABOUT THE LIKE INTERNAL ROADS OR? UM, WELL, I GUESS, UM, WHAT'S THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING ON THAT.

I THINK THAT'S LIKE, I KNOW TEXTILE HAS THAT IN THE WORKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE INTERNAL PART, THE ROAD THAT WOULD GO ALONG THE TOWNHOMES, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THAT? YEAH.

AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO, TO PAY OR BE PART OF ANYTHING.

THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT TOUCHES THEIR PROJECT.

ARE THERE MANY TREES IN THIS AREA FOR THE DEVELOPER OR I GUESS WE'RE AT A CITY COULD ANSWER THAT ONE TOO.

UH, THERE ARE, UH, THEY HAVEN'T DONE A TREE SURVEY JUST YET AND THAT'LL BE ONCE THEY GET TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT STAGE.

UM, BUT THEN WE'LL FIND OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT ANY OF THESE TREES ARE.

AND THEN FOR THE DEVELOPER, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF ON THE TOWNHOMES PART? DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, WE'LL WE'LL DO LIKE A, A STYLE OF HOMES THAT YOU WANT TO DO? TELL HIM HOME, TAKE ON TO DO IT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA YET.

NO.

NO, I DID WANT TO ADD THOUGH WITH RESPECT TO THE LOCATION, THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT WITH RESPECT TO THE LOCATION, AND THAT WAS THE FUTURE RIDGE.

MY ROAD MAKES A NATURAL DIVIDER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PORTION.

SO WHAT WE SEE IS YOU HAVE THE HIGHWAY, A MAJOR HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, THE RIDGE MAR ROAD COMING THROUGH IT AND COMMERCIAL ON THIS SIDE.

AND, UH, BECAUSE HONESTLY COMMERCIAL A CERTAIN DEPTH TO IT.

ONCE IT GETS TOO DEEP, IT'S THAT STUFF IN THE BACK TAKES A LONG TIME TO CONSUME.

THIS, THIS, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE THAT GOES DOWN AND CONNECTS TO THIS KIND OF STRANGE CORNER.

ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. ROBBINS, I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I DID ABOUT THIS LAST TIME.

SO NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

MR. CARPENTER, HOW MUCH REAL ESTATE, THAT'S A GOOD MAP TO HAVE UP.

HOW MUCH REAL ESTATE SURROUNDING THAT AREA DID YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR PART OF THIS PROPOSAL? YES.

D DOES MY CLIENT HAVE, UM, WHERE WHERE'S THE POINTER? THANK YOU.

UM, THEY HAVE

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THIS IS WHERE THE SURGICAL CENTERS GOING IN, AND THEN THEY ALSO OWN, UH, THIS TRACK LAND OVER ON THIS SIDE, OUT OF NOT SURE HOW MANY ACRES THAT IS.

IS THERE ANY REASON YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR WHAT YOU OR YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A MORE COMPREHENSIVE AREA FOR ALL THE PROPERTY YOU OWN IN THAT AREA? OH YEAH.

WELL OF THIS, WHAT, WHAT, I GUESS I HAVE TO AFTER PUT, PUT A DIFFERENT CAVEAT ON THERE IN YOUR, MY ANSWER, MY CLIENT RIGHT NOW HAS OWNERSHIP OF THIS.

HE'S ALSO PARTNERS IN OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY AND THEY'RE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT YET.

GOTCHA.

PARDON? FAMILY PARTNER.

SO, OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD.

SO MR. JANESKY, UM, BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOMES ACTUALLY CROSSES INTO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER, THIS IS REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS SINCE IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE USE CATEGORY FOR THE FUTURE LENS.

SO I THINK THAT'S ONE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, TYPICALLY THE INTENTION OF THE ACTIVITY CENTERS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS IS MEANT TO BE A FUZZY LINE WHERE IT CROSSES OVER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

UM, SO WE LEAVE THAT UP TO INTERPRETATION, WHETHER IT CAN JUST BE PART OF THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, UM, OR IF YOU WANT THAT HARDWARE AND I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I DON'T WANT TO, I WANT YOU TO GET ME WRONG.

I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH IT.

I JUST DID.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE APPLICANT AND HE'S NOT GOING TO RUN INTO HURDLES.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS IT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY LINES DON'T END ON THE NICE CIRCLE THAT WE DREW FOR THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

SO I TOTALLY GET THAT.

UM, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE MAJOR QUESTION THAT I HAD.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT I WANTED TO, UM, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE APPLICANT SHOWING, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE LARGER PICTURE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE TOTAL PROPERTY SIZE, THE LAST TIME IT CAME WAS ABOUT 300 ACRES AND THIS IS JUST UNDER 200 ACRES.

SO THERE IS SOME MISSING PIECES.

SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SURGICAL CENTER, UM, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, NICE AND BIG LIKE THAT, THAT WILL BE COMING TO US.

IT'S GREAT TO GET A, UM, A HEADSTART ON THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER MAY HAS ANYTHING, BUT I WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED PASSES THREE TO TWO, MOVING ON TO NUMBER

[12. Discussion regarding updates to the Composite Zoning Ordinance with regards to landscaping; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. Applicant: City of Leander.]

12, DISCUSSION REGARDING UPDATES TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING, WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS.

I HAVE TO HAVE MY PEN TO TALK.

UM, SORRY.

SO, UM, THE STAFF IS WORKING ON UPDATES TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SO THIS'LL PROBABLY BE COMING THE NEXT MONTH TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.

AND, UM, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH AN UPDATE WITH THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO IN THIS CHART, UM, IT PROVIDES A COMPARISON OF WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS AND BLACK AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS IN RED.

ONE THING I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY OF IS, UH, WE DID MAKE UPDATES TO THE STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL IN, UM, 2016.

AT THE TIME WE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVE SUBDIVISIONS THAT DID NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY WERE INVESTED.

SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR CONCEPT PLAN, THAT'S THEIR VESTING DATE.

SO THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.

SO IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE STARTED TO SEE MORE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THE REDUCED TURF.

UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, WE'VE MADE THAT CHANGE AND IT'S JUST NOW HAPPENING.

SO OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY IS YOUR, YOUR LOT IS LIMITED TO TWO THIRDS TURF GRASS.

AFTER YOU SUBTRACT THE IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY.

UM, WE ALSO ESTABLISHED A NONDISTURBANCE ZONE.

SO WHEN YOU, YOU BUILD A HOUSE, UM, IF YOU'RE SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT, YOU CAN ONLY DISTURB FIVE FEET AROUND THE HOUSE ITSELF.

AND THE POINT WAS TO NOT DISTURB THE ENTIRE LOT, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESTART IT SO YOU CAN USE THE NATIVE LANDSCAPE.

SO THERE'S LESS, UH, IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS.

PART OF THE FLAW IN THAT ONE IS THE LOTS HAVE GOTTEN SO SMALL.

UM, YOU'RE TAKING ALL ANYWAY, UM, BUT ON LARGER LOTS, IT IS HELPFUL.

THERE'S A GREATER DISTURBANCE ZONE WHEN IT'S A RURAL LOT.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UM, WITH COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE A LIMIT THAT, UM,

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50% OF THE, THE LANDSCAPE AREA, UM, MAYBE TURF GRASS.

AND, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING STANDARDS TO STATE THAT A TURF GRASS IS NOT PERMITTED IN STRIPS, LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE IN PARKING AREAS AND BETWEEN SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENTS.

SO THE GOAL IS TO NOT ALLOW THE TURF IN AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE THE OVERSPRAY FROM YOUR, YOUR SPRINKLER, AND IT'S A REAL NARROW AREA THAT'S NOT GONNA SURVIVE WELL.

UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, CHANGING HOW WE EVALUATE COMMERCIAL SITES WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

SO TODAY, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE, THE PROJECT AT 1 8, 3 8 AND CRYSTAL FALLS, THAT'S WHERE POPEYE'S AND THE GAS STATION AND WENDY'S IS LOCATED.

UM, THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOTS HAD A LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT PER LOT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, LIKE HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES AND, UM, IT'S CUMBERSOME, AND IT'S A LOT OF LANDSCAPING WHERE YOU'RE BUFFERING COMMERCIAL USES FROM EACH OTHER.

UM, THE POINT IN THE BUFFERING, UH, IS TO BUFFER FROM RESIDENTIAL TO KINDA TO ADD, UH, TO ADD THE SPACE.

UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THAT REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS, UM, WHEN THEY'RE NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND THEN CALCULATING LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN OVERALL CENTER.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF EACH SLOT WITHIN THE CENTER.

AND, UM, W WE THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES IN THE TURF GRASS AND ALL OF THAT FUN STUFF THAT THEY'RE ADDING THERE.

UM, ANOTHER ITEM WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF LIKE, LIKE TREVISO, UM, THEIR ENTRANCE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF SOD, UM, AND A BIG GRAND ENTRANCE WITH LANDSCAPING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A LIMIT IN THOSE LANDSCAPE, LOTS TO 50% TURF.

UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH LANDSCAPING.

UM, THE HOS ARE ONE OF OUR HIGHER WATER USERS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, LANDSCAPING.

SO IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD WORK WITH THEM ON, UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A LIMITS, UM, TO REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE USE DRIP IRRIGATION INSTEAD OF SPRAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, RECLAIMED WATER PROGRAMS THAT ONE'S A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST INSTALL PURPLE PIPE IN A SUBDIVISION.

IT HAS TO ACTUALLY COME FROM SOMEWHERE AND CONNECT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY, BUT IT'S, UM, SOMETHING NORTH LINE IS WORKING ON AND TREVISO ALREADY HAS.

SO WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES IT'S JUST HARD TO JUST SNAP YOUR FINGERS AND SUDDENLY EVERYBODY'S DOING IT.

SO WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.

UM, AND THE LAST THING WAS REQUIRING SEPARATE IRRIGATION METERS FOR SCHOOLS.

UM, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING DURING THE DROUGHT IS WE'VE BEEN AT THE DROUGHT, OUR WATER ISSUES.

UM, WE'VE BEEN TURNING OFF METERS FOR IRRIGATION IN SOME CASES FOR LIKE THE HOS AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO FOR THE GRASS AREA AROUND SCHOOLS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, NOT ON THE LIST IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR, YOUR FRONT YARD, YOU HAVE YOUR CURB, AND THERE'S LIKE THE TWO TO THREE FEET THAT'S GRASS BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB.

UM, TODAY WE HAVE OPTIONS OF, UM, CAN HAVE A WIDER, WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE CURB.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT EITHER ENCOURAGING THAT OR OFFERING, UM, RIVER ROCK IN THAT, THAT AREA TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT TYPE OF, UM, STRIP, LIKE AT MY HOUSE, IT'S A FOOT AND A HALF, SO IT'S NOT VERY, VERY DEEP.

SO THE GRASS DOESN'T LIVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY IDEAS OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, SO HOW DO YOU DEFINE TURF? UM, TURF IS A BERMUDA.

UM, IT MAKES THAT TURF LOOK, IT'S NOT A NATIVE GRASS.

SO LIKE THE NATIVE GRASSES ARE CLUMPING GRASSES.

I COULD BRING YOU ALL, SOME, SOME PICTURES, BUT LIKE, FOR ME TO GRASS IS A TURF GRASS, NOT ARTIFICIAL TURF, CORRECT? CORRECT.

IT'S NOT ARTIFICIAL.

I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY THAT BECAUSE I'M LIKE, ARE YOU LIMITING OFFICIAL GRASS? THEY COULD PUT THEIR, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE COSTCO IN CEDAR PARK? YES.

THEY HAVE TURF IN THEIR ISLANDS.

I SAW LAST WEEK, WEEKEND.

I HAD TO TAKE A PICTURE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT, IT'S ARTIFICIAL TURF.

IT'S NOT REAL GRASS.

AND IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.

CAUSE THAT'S, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT WE, AS A CITY, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THINGS LIKE ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT LOOKS LIKE ARTIFICIAL GRASS, NOT THE FLAT TURF THAT YOU WOULD SEE LIKE AT A FOOTBALL FIELD, BUT, UH, OR SOME OF THE OLDER FOOTBALL FIELDS, BUT THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THEM LIKE THAT WOULD USE THE ZERO WATER.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY WITH THAT TOO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE YOU IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU JUST PUT DOWN TURF, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT GOES INTO IT.

THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WITH LIKE DOGS AND THEY'RE ALL KINDS OF, YEAH.

I MEAN, WE, WE FOUND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, BLEDSOE, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS LIKE, UM, ON THIS ONE WHERE YOU'VE GOT UNDER COMMERCIAL, YOU SAY PROHIBIT TURF GRASS IN STRIPS, LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE AND PARKING

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LOTS.

AND BETWEEN SIDEWALKS AND PAVEMENT.

NOW I UNDERSTAND THE IMPETUS BEHIND THIS, RIGHT? IF IT'S LESS THAN 10 FEET, IT'S DIFFICULT TO WATER, AS YOU MENTIONED, OVER-SPRAY, WHICH I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF ALL VERY GOOD POINTS.

WHAT I'M WORRIED IS THAT WOULDN'T THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THIS BE THAT YOU GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, MID EIGHTIES, EARLY NINETIES, ERA PARKING, LOTS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO LANDSCAPING AT ALL, OR THIS WOULD BE YOU USE MOLTEN STEAD OR CRUSH.

GRANTED IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL.

I MEAN, LIKE WHAT DO YOU KNOW? A LOT OF PLACES WE SEE TREES AND PARKING LOTS THAT LIKE SORT OF LINE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF IT, THAT, AND WE HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT TODAY.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREE WITHIN 50 FEET OF EVERY PARKING SPACE.

SO THAT KIND OF THING WOULD, WOULD HAPPEN.

YOU JUST WOULDN'T BE PUTTING DOWN, WOULDN'T BE TURF GRASS.

AND IT'S SOMETHING LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT HEB, THEY TOOK OUT THEIR TURF AND REPLACED IT WITH CRUSHED GRANITE BECAUSE PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS FOR KILLING THE TURF.

BUT IT'S NOT MEANT TO CREATE THE CONCRETE HEAT ISLANDS AND CAUSE GREATER ISSUES.

IT'S JUST NOT HAVING TURF THAT WE'RE.

I HAD SOMETHING ELSE I MIGHT, I FORGOTTEN NOW.

UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, UM, WITH THE PURPLE PIPING TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

I KNOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S REAL CLOSE TO NORTHLINE AND WOULDN'T BE MUCH TO RUN A PIPE THERE, UH, UGLIES GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO CONNECT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED TO DO SO.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS WORKING ON A PROGRAM AND TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT IF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT, AS WELL AS, UM, POSSIBLY SOME INCENTIVES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE TURF GRASS.

OH, QUICK QUESTION.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, UNDER IRRIGATION ON RESIDENTIAL, YOU WROTE LIMIT IRRIGATION TO DRIP IRRIGATION, UM, WAS YOUR THOUGHT WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN THERE THAT LIKE WE'RE TALKING, WE WOULD LIKE YOU OWN A HOUSE.

YOU WANT TO PUT AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM FROM WHATEVER.

IF THIS GOT APPROVED FORWARD, THOSE WOULD ONLY BE DRIP IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. THAT'S COOL.

BUT DOES JAPAN IRRIGATION, I MEAN, DOES IT WORK FOR YOUR ENTIRE YARD? I DON'T THINK IT DOES.

YOU GOT TO HAVE PERFECT.

AND IT WAS JUST AN IDEA.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO IMPLEMENT.

I THINK WE GOT TO THINK BIG.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE AT NOW, BUT COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE MAKES A GOOD POINT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THAT IS AT A, BUT IF THE POINT IS TO GET LESS TURF, WHICH SUCKS UP SO MUCH WATER, MAYBE YOU, I MEAN, BECAUSE ISN'T THE IDEA WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT LIKE NATIVE GRASSES AND STUFF, THESE TALL FLOWER AND GRASSES AND ALL THAT.

YOU DON'T MOM AS OFTEN OR EVER, AND THEY TAKE, THEY REQUIRE A LOT LESS WATER.

SO YEAH.

IT'S NOT THE SAME PRETTY LUSH LAWN PEOPLE ARE USED TO LOOKING AT.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE RIGHT.

IT'S LIKE A WHOLE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN ENTIRE SORT OF PARADIGM SHIFT IN WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT FOR THEIR YARDS.

I'VE LIVED IN TWO BIG TIME, DIFFERENT AREAS, LAS VEGAS AND OHIO IN LAS VEGAS, THE AVERAGE, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE ALL WE HAD WAS WE DIDN'T CUT THE GRASS, WE RAKED THE ROCKS.

UM, I, WASN'T A BIG FAN OF THAT.

UM, AND I'VE ALSO LIVED IN OHIO WHERE, UM, THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO WAY TO KILL THE GRASS.

SHE DIDN'T NEED TO WATER IT EVER.

WE HAD AN, A AFRAID, UM, AND WE DON'T LIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT HERE EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

AND I, I LOVE GREEN GRASS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WHEN 20% OF OUR DRINKING WATER IS GOING INTO LAWNS, UM, AND WE'RE FACING 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, UH, PEOPLE'S FAUCETS GOING DRY, UH, W W WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGE.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO TO REIKI MY ROCKS AGAIN.

UM, BUT I DO WANT TO SEE IF WE, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD SYNTHESIZE NEIGHBORHOODS, DO YOU USE THE PURPLE PIPING TO USE, UM, ZEROSCAPING OF SOME KIND, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY CAN DO WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO WRITE CHECKS TO NEIGHBORHOODS THOUGH.

SO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, THE INCENTIVES WOULDN'T BE A ZONING REQUIREMENT.

UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES THROUGH WITH UTILITIES.

WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED INTO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE THE RAIN BARREL PROGRAMS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME CITIES IN THE PAST THAT, UM, HAD, UH, IT WAS LIKE AN INCENTIVE TO REMOVE THE TURF GRASS.

I THINK EL PASO DID THAT.

UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD LOOK AT FOR SURE.

NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPER AND THE FIRST SET OF AN HOA GOING TO MY, UH, PEOPLE AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THE ASSESSMENT OR ISSUE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.

CAUSE I, I DID LIKE MOST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SUGGESTED, I JUST SAW A GLARING EMISSION IN EXISTING

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THAT'S ONE SURE.

WAY TO NOT GET REELECTED.

WELL, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT IS KIND OF THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO PUT IN THE ROCK.

AND THE OTHER MATERIALS TURF IS CHEAP.

BUT THAT'S, UM, NEW, NEW PLACES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THEN WHERE WE HAVE A 10, 20, 30 ACRES OF PARKLAND.

UM, DID OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD LIKE SOME WAY TO HELP REDUCE THAT 20% OF OUR WATER GOING BACK INTO THE GROUND BEING WASTED.

SO INSTEAD OF, UH, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THIS TOO.

AND YOU KNOW, NOT THAT IT IMPACTS ME BECAUSE I'M ALREADY IN MY HOUSE, BUT YOU KNOW, I, AND I HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, BUT YOU KNOW, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DRIP IRRIGATION TOO MUCH.

BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT A DRIP IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO USE A GRAY WATER SYSTEM FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE PLANS AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ANYWAY, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RECLAIM WATER PROGRAM.

IF WE START GETTING THE DEVELOPMENTS TO PUT IN RECLAIM WATER, SO YOU HAVE DUAL PIPELINES GOING INTO THE RESIDENCES, THEN YOU ALLOW, UM, YOU ALLOW HOMEOWNERS TO ONE, BE ABLE TO WATER THEIR YARDS WITHOUT OUR DRINKING WATER AND STILL, UM, BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL COST.

IT'S GOING TO BE PASSED ON THE HOMEOWNERS.

I GET THAT.

BUT IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY SAYING.

WHEN YOU SAY YOU CAN ONLY USE THE DRIP IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

SO NOW WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN, HOWEVER, IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXTRA COST BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO USE A GRAY WATER SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO TIE INTO THAT LINE INSTEAD OF THE MAIN WATER LINE, JUST THE PHONE.

ARE YOU SAYING, UM, PRODUCE THE GRAY WATER FROM YOUR OWN HOUSE? OR DO YOU MEAN LIKE A CITY-WIDE SYSTEM? MY LITTLE HEAD WAS REALLY A LITTLE IT'S LIKE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

SEQUINED CALIFORNIA DOES IS FORCING GRAY WATER ON INDIVIDUAL HOMES.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR, FOR THAT.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NON PERSONAL USE, YOU KNOW, UM, WATER USAGES.

SO WASHING YOUR CAR, UM, WATERING YOUR LAWN, EVERYTHING THAT TIES INTO YOUR OUTSIDE SYSTEMS WOULD BE GREAT WATER, RIGHT? YOU SHOULDN'T, AND THEN YOU JUST WARN PEOPLE NOT TO GO OUT AND DRINK OUT OF THE HOSE.

BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD GET BY THAT.

UH, I MEAN, I WORKED AT USAA AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A 288 ACRE CAMPUS.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO TO WATER THEIR GRASS IS ALL GRAY WATER.

SO I MEAN, THEY, THEY FIGURED OUT SOMETHING, UH, AND THEY GET SOMETHING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

I'M SURE FOR THAT.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO INSTEAD OF JUST CAUSE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATING IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. WHEN WE SAY DRIP IRRIGATION, UNLESS YOU WANT TO DO YOUR FLOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR FLUTTER, PANT, UH, PLANTS, UM, UH, YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR TREES, YOU CAN GET SOME DRIPS THERE.

UH, ANY, ANY LIKE VEGETABLE GARDENS YOU HAVE, YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT YOUR GRASS, NO, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK WITH DRIP.

BUT I MEAN, I WONDER, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT THOUGH, ISN'T IT, LIKE, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO IS THAT LIKE TURF IS ONLY A VERY TINY BIT OF WHAT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEW RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE GOING DRIP IRRIGATION MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT'LL WATER TREES, IT'LL WATER SHRUBS, IT'LL, IT'LL WATER, NATIVE GRASSES, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO DO A BIG, YOU KNOW, FLOWING LAWNS AND ALL THAT.

AND MAYBE IT'S NOT AN EITHER, OR MAYBE IT'S A BOTH.

AND LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A GREAT WATER SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN TIE INTO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET PERMITTED FOR AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

THAT'S GOING OUT OF THERE.

OTHERWISE IT'S DRIP IRRIGATION ONLY IF YOU'RE TYING INTO THE MAIN WATERLINE, YOU'RE ONLY APPROVED FOR INTERROGATION UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT GUY WHO WANTS TO RUN, WHO WANTS TO WATER AS LONG.

SO HE JUST TURNS ON HIS TOP AND LETS IT RUN FOR HOURS SO HE CAN FILL UP AS GRAY WATER SYSTEM.

UM, HERE'S A QUICK QUESTION.

I'M BEING FACETIOUS.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN THAT OFTEN.

UM, BUT HERE'S A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UH, LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU MENTIONED IN THERE UNCOMMERCIAL WE ARE STARTING TO REQUIRE, IS THAT CORRECT? EVERY COMMERCIAL HAS A SEPARATE METER FOR THEIR IRRIGATION THAT WE CAN THEN JUST SAY WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT THEY DO THAT.

THEY JUST DO THAT BY DEFAULT.

AND THEN WE GO AROUND AND SHUT THOSE OFF.

WHEN WE GET INTO HOT, BAD STATE, WE CAN, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE IT TO ALL THE COMMERCIAL.

I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY'VE DONE IT TO.

I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HOS THEY WOULD SHUT OFF THE WATER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE WATERING RESTRICTIONS.

PERSON YOU HEAR ABOUT ON YOUR NEXT DOOR PAGE OR YOUR FACEBOOK PATRIOT, LIKE THIS DUDES WATERING FOR HOURS AT TWO IN THE MORNING.

SO THEN THEY GET IN TROUBLE AND WE TURNED IT OFF.

UM, NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT A WATER METER COSTS, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY SMART THING BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THIS IS PURELY ANECDOTAL, BUT WHEN IT COMES, WHEN WE START TALKING, WHEN WE'RE IN HIGH, UH, WATER RESTRICTION SYSTEMS, THERE'S ALWAYS LIKE THAT ONE

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IT'S LIKE THIS ONE, GUY'S RUINING IT FOR EVERYBODY.

LIKE, IS THAT NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DO IN RESIDENCES TOO? SO WE COULD JUST GO KILL SOMEBODY IRRIGATION SYSTEM OR IS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE IRRIGATION METER.

YOU HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE TAP AND THAT'S A SEPARATE IMPACT PHASE.

SO IT MAKES IT MORE EXPENSIVE.

AND I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE GUY WEARING IT TOO.

AM I WORRIED ABOUT THE GUY WATERING AT 3:00 PM FOR SIX HOURS AT A TIME? YEAH.

THEY HAVE MUCH SMARTER IRRIGATION DEVICES TOO.

I SWITCHED OVER MY WATER.

BILL WAS DOWN BY 50%.

IT CONNECTS TO THE INTERNET.

AND THOSE, WHEN IT RAINS, IT KNOWS WHEN IT'S FORECAST TO RAIN WATERS MORE IN THE SUMMER AND LESS IN THE WINTER.

UM, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE ALL THAT.

IT DOESN'T, IT RUNS ON A SMARTPHONE.

AND, UH, I CAN EVEN IF, UH, IF SOMEBODY CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT MY IRRIGATION IS GOING OFF, I'M GO WITH SMARTPHONES, TURN IT OFF RIGHT HERE.

UM, AND THE DIFFERENCE IN COST IS A STANDARD.

ONE IS ABOUT $150, 130 TO $150.

IT'S LIKE 180 FOR THIS INGENIOUS THING.

AND ALL YOU HAVE TO HAVE IS WIFI IN YOUR HOME.

IF THERE WAS SOMEONE I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET THE CITY'S WRONG BECAUSE OF WHEN I BOUGHT THE MINE AND I RESEARCHED THE INNER DIDN'T DO IT.

BUT I THINK IT WAS ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN BOTH OFFERED A REBATE OF 50 OR A HUNDRED DOLLARS FROM THE HOMEOWNER TO GET THE, UM, COMPUTERIZED VERSION.

UM, AND IT'S A SUPER EASY INSTALL.

IT TAKES LIKE FIVE MINUTES.

YOU JUST SWITCH THE WIRES, BASICALLY.

HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE TO ACTUALLY REQUIRE PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS ON A SEPARATE METER WHEN IT WOULD BE AN EXTRA COST AND EXTRA IMPACT FEE? IT'S AN EXTRA COST TO WHO? I MEAN, I MEAN, THEY WOULD PASS IT ON TO THE HOMEOWNER WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOUSE, YOU'RE BUILDING THE $600,000 HOUSE.

ARE YOU GOING TO NOTICE THE COUPLE OF HUNDRED BUCKS AT A COST FOR THE IMPACT FEE? AND IT'S REALLY MORE THAN A COUPLE HUNDRED AND IS IT WORTH IT? IS IT WORTH IT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LITERALLY, LIKE YOU SAY, I MEAN, I WALKED THROUGH RHOA AND THERE'S PEOPLE WATER AND AT FOUR IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE, MY WIFE'S TIRED OF HEARING ME SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CRAZY.

AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO JUST GO CLICK YOU DON'T GET TO WATER.

SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO RESEARCH AND FIGURE OUT THE COST AND WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD LOOK WELL, EVEN THE COST.

I MEAN, WE, WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD TO SAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE COST IS GOING TO BE WELL WORTH IT WHEN WE DON'T WANT TO CAP GOES DRY.

AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY, I, EVEN IF WE STARTED DOING IT NOW, THINK DOWN THE ROAD IN 15 YEARS, HOW HARD IT'S GOING TO BE TO GET PEOPLE, TO STOP USING IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. IF WE DON'T START NOW MAKING SURE THAT WE GOT THE ABILITY TO TURN THEM OFF, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE.

WHAT YOU SAY IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYBODY TO CONFORM OR DON'T CHARGE AN IMPACT FEE FOR IT.

I MEAN, I JUST HEAR ME OUT FOR JUST A SECOND.

THE THING IS LIKE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A COST FOR THE METER ITSELF.

IT'S A PHYSICAL PIECE OF HARDWARE THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO INSTALL.

SO, OKAY.

EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THAT.

BUT LIKE IMPACT FEES ARE DESIGNED TO COVER THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT ROADWAY, ADEQUACY, FECES, ADEQUACY FEES ARE FOR ET CETERA.

THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON EVERY SINGLE HOUSE, IF YOU WERE TO DO IT IS TO SAVE BOTH US MONEY AND THE HOMEOWNER MONEY, ARGUABLY IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WHY WOULD YOU CHARGE SOMEONE A FEE IT'S A DISINCENTIVE TO DOING THE RIGHT THING? IS IT NOT? WE LEGALLY HAVE TO CHARGE THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.

AND THAT GOES INTO A SOON LINES, LIKE WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR INCENTIVES, WE CAN NEVER WAIVE AN IMPACT FEE.

DO WE DETERMINE WHAT THE AMOUNT OF THOSE IMPACTS? YES.

SO WE MAKE IT A DOLLAR FOR THE SECOND ONE, BUT FOR THE IRRIGATION METER IMPACT FEE, WE MAKE IT LIKE A DOLLAR BECAUSE CAUSE GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER HEINZ'S POINT, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THE ABILITY TO, TO HAVE SOME CONTROL, TO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO MONITOR WHO'S WHO'S BEING GOOD ACTORS AND WHO'S BEING BAD ACTORS.

AND SO IF IT'S A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO DO IT, BUT WE SET THE FEE, WE JUST SET IT SO LOW THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.

WE'VE EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATED THE IMPACT FEE.

HAVE TO DIG NEXT YEAR'S ZONE CONTROL BOX, INSTALL A METER AND, AND HAVE YOUR, YOUR SUPPLY GO THROUGH THE METER.

HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.

DON'T WE HAVE A PERMITTING PROCESS FOR INSTALLING WATER SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW.

HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SAY PEOPLE IGNORE THOSE AND JUST DO IT WITHOUT IT? IS IT COMMON OR UNCOMMON? I WOULD SAY WE GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR IT.

NO WAY TO REALLY KNOW HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL, UM, IS THAT THE SOURCE? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WATER METERS, BUT LIKE, IS THAT THE SORT OF THING THAT LOGICALLY COULD BE INSTALLED WHEN SOMEONE'S GETTING A NEW SYSTEM PUT IN? OKAY.

SO LIKE YOU CAN GO BACK AND RETROFIT ALL THE EXISTING LAWN SYSTEMS. NOW THEY ALL HAVE HIS OWN CONTROL BOX.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU MIGHT

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BUT MECHANICALLY, ALL THAT COULD HAPPEN VERY EASILY.

I, I CAN'T, I MEAN, THE, THE PROBLEM ULTIMATELY IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING TO ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO COME IN FOR A PERMIT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, BUT ANYBODY WHO HAS TO COME IN FOR A PERMIT, I WOULD THINK YOU COULD SAY FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, YOU'VE GOT TO INSTALL A SEPARATE TAP FOR IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA TO TURN AROUND AND GO, UH, CAME FROM WICHITA FALLS.

THEY PUT IN SMART METERS AND WATER METERS, EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE, EVERYONE IN THE CITY, THEY, THEY CHANGED ALL THE WATER METERS.

NOW THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVE, BUT IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF TO THINK ABOUT SAYING, AND THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME FEDERAL MONEY FOR, YOU KNOW, STUFF AROUND FOR, UH, THE CLIMATE.

I MEAN, COME ON, JOE, GIVE US SOME MONEY.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

FIND SOME GRANT OR THAT LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT LOOKED INTO A LITTLE BIT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW RADICAL DO WE NEED TO GET HERE? BUT I MEAN, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE WATERING THEIR LAWNS AND HOW GIVE MINE UP EASILY IF IT MEANS THAT THE WATER IS GOING TO GO ANOTHER 10 YEARS.

I IMAGINE THE LAST TIME WHEN WE RAN OUT OF WATER DURING, YOU KNOW, WHEN EVERYBODY WAS FILLING UP THEIR BATH TUBS AND ALL, IF ALL YOU COULD DO WAS JUST ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WERE ON, THAT YOU COULD JUST RUN AROUND AND CUT ALL OF THEM OFF.

WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD THAT YOU CAN DO IT ELECTRONICALLY WITH CERTAIN METERS AND YOU GO, AND PETER HAS THE THING WHERE YOU CAN, UH, GIVE A WATER PROVIDER PERMISSION.

AND THEY, WHEN THE CITY SAYS WE'RE IN WATER RESTRICTIONS, IT TURNS BY BEAT MY ERASER UP THEN.

SO THAT THAT'S A LOT LESS THAN, UH, I'D BE INTERESTING.

DO YOU NEED TO TAKE A BOX? YOU CAN GET THE BOX.

AND IF THE CITY PUTS IN THAT SOFTWARE, WHEN THE CITY SAYS SHUT IT OFF, THAT TAKES CARE.

AND YOU COULD MAKE EVERYBODY PUT IN THOSE CYSTS, THOSE CONTROLLERS IN THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT, I, I IMAGINE IT'D BE LESS THAN A METER FOR ALL RIGHT.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

IT WOULDN'T BE SIGNIFICANT, FINE AND NO NEW PIPE TAKE ONE BOX ON IT.

BUT THE NEW ONE IS, REMEMBER WHEN I MENTIONED WICHITA FALLS, WE HAD POTABLE REUSE WATER UP THERE FOR YEARS WHEN WE WERE IN OUR, WHEN WE HAD THE DROUGHT AND WE WERE LITERALLY DRINKING THE SEWAGE, THE RECLAIMED SEWAGE WATER, AND NOBODY DIED.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE ANYWAY.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE CRAZY, BUT SO YOU DON'T NEED US TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS OTHER THAN SAY SO WE'LL, WE'LL BRING BACK, UM, UH, ACTUAL ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND, UM, I'LL DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE OTHER OTHER ITEMS AND SEE WHAT WOULD BE A ZONING ITEM.

AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A UTILITY INCENTIVE AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND I DO KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE TRIED TO SAVE WATER.

SO I THINK ROUNDROCK HAD SOME GOOD THINGS ON THEIR WEBSITE.

CAN WE HAVE AN APPOINTED BODY OR COMMISSION THE CITY THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH UTILITIES? WE DON'T DOING LIKE A PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION.

WELL, THERE IS ONE FOR THE, LIKE THE STATE, RIGHT.

BUT NOT, I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS A COMMISSIONER.

DO WE HAVE A GRANT WRITER ON STAFF? NO.

13, DISCUSS, CONSIDER EXTRA REGARDING THE CHANGE OF THE START TIME FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE? MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[13. Discuss and consider action regarding a change to the start time for the Planning & Zoning Commission meeting; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. ]

SO THIS, THIS ITEM WAS ON THE AGENDA.

UM, AT THE LAST MEETING AND THE COMMISSIONERS HAD ASKED ABOUT, UM, DOING THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

I GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY SECRETARY.

UM, IT'S IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, BUT BASICALLY WAS ALLOWED WHEN THE GOVERNOR RELAXED THE ORDERS DURING COVID.

AND THEN WHEN HE CHANGED, UM, CHANGED IT BACK.

WE CAN NO LONGER DO IT.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS WHERE CITY COUNCIL CAN DO IT WHEN THEY'RE ON.

UM, THEY'RE ON A, LIKE A CITY EVENT WHERE THEY CAN'T BE HERE.

THEY'VE MADE PROVISIONS FOR THAT.

UM, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST COULDN'T DO IT THIS TIME.

UH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, WHILE I'M I'M PERSONALLY, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO ME.

IT DOESN'T IMPACT CAUSE I HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN MY WORK AND DO KNOW THAT IT IS, UH, ROLLED INTO TIME BACK, DOES CREATE, UH, A BARRIER FOR SOME AND, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER COSTCO I'VE EVEN SAID THAT IF, IF IT WAS THAT WAY, THEN HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE ON SERVE ON THE COMMISSION ANYMORE.

SO I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE LIKE HIM FROM BEING ON THE COMMISSION.

SO I'M THE SAME WAY.

I, UM, I'M REALLY FLEXIBLE WITH MY WORK SCHEDULE.

UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE MEMBERS

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ON THE COMMISSION THAT WORK IN AUSTIN AND MAKE, MAKE IT HERE FIVE MINUTES BEFORE STAR.

I'M NOT PICKING ON THEM, BUT, UH, I, I DO ADMIRE THAT.

AND I THINK IF WE DID ROLL IT BACK, WE WOULD BE EXCLUDING THEM.

WE COULD BE EXCLUDING SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY NOT, UH, ISN'T THE MAIN INCENTIVE FOR THAT TO BE FOR THE CITY STAFF.

WELL, IT'S THAT.

AND UM, THEN THE MEETINGS DON'T LAST TILL NINE AND 10, IT WOULD BE EIGHT AND NINE, BUT IT IT'S IT'S OKAY.

IT WAS JUST AN OPTION THAT WE WERE PRESENTING BEFORE WE GOT NEW COMMISSIONERS.

SO IF YOU'RE GETTING NEW PEOPLE ON, YOU COULD MANAGE THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY REVISIT IT AGAIN AT THE END, WHEN WE'RE ABOUT TO GET NEW COMMISSIONERS AGAIN.

BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK AT THIS TIME, THAT'S FINE.

WHO'S GOT GREG ABBOTT'S NUMBER BECAUSE REALLY ALL THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS WE REQUIRE AN, UH, A QUORUM TO BE HERE IN THE BUILDING.

AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE COULD RE I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS DOING THAT IS, UM, HOW YOU INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I THINK IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO COMMUNICATE WHEN YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE AND TALK TO THEM.

LOTS OF PEOPLE FELT THAT THERE WAS BETTER CONNECTIVITY WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO DO REMOTE CALL THEM, I THINK, UM, FOR THEM TO CALL IN IT, IT WAS OKAY, BUT WHEN Y'ALL WEREN'T HERE, IT WAS HARDER.

I TURNED MY BACK TO YOU A LOT.

WHEN YOU WERE ON THE SCREEN, I WAS LIKE, I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE, BUT I WAS MORE MOTIVATED WHEN YOU WEREN'T ACTUALLY, OH, AGAIN MAKES IT W WHEN YOU'RE A PRESENTER, UH, APPLICANT, THE CITY PRESENTING, OR A COMMISSIONER, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT HAVING A PERSON REMOTE AND DID, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMUNICATIONS, ABOUT 15% VERBAL AND 85% BODY LANGUAGE AND FACIAL, AND YOU DON'T GET A REMOTE.

UM, REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE FREEZING, FREEZING UP WHEN YOU WERE DOING, I WATCHED THAT VIDEO AFTER THE FACT, CAUSE, YOU KNOW, FROM MY END, I DIDN'T SEE HOW BAD IT WAS.

I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, LIKE EVERYBODY PUT A NICE SMILE ON AND TRIED TO PRETEND LIKE THEY WERE HEARING ME, BUT I COULDN'T HEAR MYSELF.

SO CAN WE READ YOUR LIPS? I NEED TO TAKE, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS? YEAH.