Oct 12, 2021 City Council Regular Meeting

UM, SO TONIGHT I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.

UM, THE CITY IS WORKING ON AN RFQ FOR THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT AND SOLICIT, UH, AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE TO WORK ON THE PROJECT.

UM, THIS COMES FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UM, ONE OF OUR ACTION ITEMS IS TO DEVELOP A DETAILED MASTER PLAN.

UM, OUR GOALS ARE TO GET A VISION AND A COHESIVE DESIGN FOR THE AREA AND END UP WITH A MASTER SIGNED PLAN, UM, PREPARE A PARKING ASSESSMENT, AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH SOME REALLY GREAT IDEAS TO HELP RESOLVE OUR PARKING ISSUES.

UM, ANOTHER ITEM IS UPDATES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR OLD TOWN.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS IN OLD TOWN, UM, LIKE, UH, USING THE CONTAINERS.

AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS, A COUPLE OF INTERESTING IDEAS LIKE THAT, AND WE WANT, UM, HELP WITH ZONING CODE CHANGES TO SUPPORT THINGS LIKE THAT, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT THING AND NOT JUST UGLY SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A VERY BIG NEED FOR AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, SO WE HAVE SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.

WE COULD USE UPGRADES TO UTILITIES, AND SO THIS WOULD BE AN OVERALL PLAN SHOWING WHERE EVERYTHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

UM, AND ANOTHER THING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN, UM, OLD TOWN AND NORTH LINE.

UM, RIGHT NOW OLD TOWN INCLUDES BOTH SIDES OF 180 3.

SO THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE IS OFTEN FORGOTTEN AS PART OF OLD TOWN.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S REMEMBERED WITH THIS, UM, THIS MASTER PLAN.

UM, IN ADDITION, YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF OUR PARK PROJECT.

UM, THE PLANS ARE COMPLETED AND, UM, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH BIDS.

ONE OF THE THINGS STAFF WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS IF WE GET A PARKING ASSESSMENT, WILL THEY COME BACK AND SAY THAT THERE MIGHT BE ISSUES WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROPOSED WITH THIS PARK PLAN? UM, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT AND WE FEEL, WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PARK AND, UM, ENCOURAGING MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING ALONG BAGHDAD STREET AND THEN THE POTENTIAL OF UPGRADING SOUTH STREET TO ADD SOME PARKING.

UM, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL.

THIS, THIS PLAN WILL HELP US, UM, MAKE BETTER DECISIONS AND COME UP WITH OPTIONS FOR PARKING.

AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO FILL UP ANY QUESTIONS.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST.

UM, WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE PLAN YET.

SO ONCE WE GET A CONSULTANT, THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE ACTUAL OWNERS IN OLD TOWN AND KIND OF TAKE FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS IN SYNC WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

I THINK, UH, DO YOU HEAR ME? YOU GOT ME BY THERE.

I THINK COUNSELING NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING ABOUT PARKING.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S BEEN SOME VERY DETAILED CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX OF WHAT WE CAN DO FOR PARKING AROUND LOCUM.

IMPERVIOUS COVER THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS I'M PART OF THIS PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO GET, UM, SOME PROFESSIONAL HELP TO EVALUATE THE AREA AND SEE WHERE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES EXIST FOR PARKING.

UM, THIS WAY THEY COULD LOOK AT FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO ROADWAYS.

UM, CAN THE PARKING BE PUT IN FLOODPLAIN, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF HEARD FROM FROM DIFFERENT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS? I WAS, YES.

THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THIS IS ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES, CHRIS DIDN'T THEY GOT DOING ANYTHING.

NO, NO.

I THINK THE ENTIRE COUNCIL SHOULD BE BROUGHT IN ON THAT DECK AND WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION THAT LAST TIME.

AND SO, BUT NOT JUST THAT, MAYBE LIKE GETTING THE HOME, THE LAND OWNERS ON BOARD, UM, THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE PARKING LOT AROUND HERE.

SO YEAH.

SO WITH THIS, UM, THIS PLAN WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THIS COUNSELOR, THEY DON'T NEED IT.

SO COUNSEL NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED.

RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE COUNSELORS.

SO WE HAD CONVERSATIONS.

I DON'T HAVE THE, WELL, THIS WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC SESSIONS, SOME WORKSHOPS SESSIONS.

AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS WITH SOME OF THE VERY RECENT ACQUISITIONS OF SOME OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN DOWN THE STREET, I THINK CALCULATING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND IMPACTS ARE KIND OF HAPPENING IN REAL TIME.

SO, AND OF COURSE THE WATERLINE BREAK DID, Y'ALL JUST GOT TO, WE JUST EXPERIENCED A LOT.

WAS IT A WEEK AGO THAT KIND OF UNDERSCORES THE NEED FOR LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU ADD MORE

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SO IT COULDN'T BE BETTER TIMING.

AND I'M ASSUMING WITH RFQ RFP PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME PUBLIC SESSIONS, RIGHT.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMMITTEE OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN OLD TOWN.

SO THAT'D BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

COUNSEL, ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ROBIN, JUST A QUESTIONS.

OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GRIFFIN, WHERE THEY ALSO ASSESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, GETTING PEOPLE FROM NORTH LINE TO OLD TOWN.

SO PART OF IT WILL BE CONNECTIVITY.

SO YES, THEY WOULD READ.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS OR NO IDEA? I'M HOPING WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GREAT CONSULTANT WITH A LOT OF IDEAS.

SO YOU GET A PICTURE OF THAT, THE OLD DOWN, CAN YOU BACK UP ON THAT ONE? HERE'S A GRANDDAD AT 15, 20 YEARS OUT, RIGHT? YOU TAKING BRUSHY CREEK, YOU'RE DIGGING DOWN AND YOU MAKE IT INTO A REALLY NICHE, UH, RIVER WALL.

SOMEHOW YOU FIGURED OUT HOW TO RESEARCH, COLLATE THE WATER.

AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU HAVE A TREND-SETTER FROM MOTOWN THAT PEOPLE WOULD USE A NICE LITTLE, NICE LITTLE, IT WAS LIKE SHOPS.

AND THEN IT GOES ALL THE WAY INTO NORTH TOWN.

SO NOT A SAN ANTONIO CITY RIVER WALL, BUT, AND NOW THAT COUNTRY BURNED IT DELIVERABLE, BUT THERE'S YOUR CONNECTIVITY.

I PITCHED THAT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I GET TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

PROBLEM IS MONEY.

VERY TRUE.

I THINK THAT ALSO MADE IT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS. SO I THINK WE'LL KEEP THAT IN.

PEOPLE LOVE WATER.

LAST CHANCE FOR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.

MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO RECEIVE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS ROADWAY, IMPACT FEES, STUDY PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSIONER CHAIR.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR GRIFFIN,

[4. Joint workshop with the City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to receive presentation and discuss roadway impact fee study.]

MAY, CAN YOU PLEASE OPEN THE WORKSHOP FOR PNC AND CONFIRM QUORUM IS PRESENT.

THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, UH, IS CALLED THE ORDER AT 6:10 PM.

MAYOR SAID REQUEST.

I COULD FORM CONFIRM A QUORUM IS PRESENT AND SEEING ZERO ROSS.

THANK YOU EVENING AS A FOLLOWUP TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN WE ADOPTED LAST MAY.

WE REACHED OUT AND HIRED KIMBERLY HORN TO DO A ROADWAY IMPACT FOR YOU STUDY FOR THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT FEES WOULD BE AND HOW BEST TO APPROACH THEM.

AND JAKE , IS THERE A TEAM LEADER AND HE'S GOING TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW ROADWAY IMPACT FEES WORK AND HOW WOULD WE EXPECT TO HAVE THEM WORK FOR THE CITY.

IT GOES THROUGH, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE REQUIRED.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

UM, SO SOME OF Y'ALL I'VE MET BEFORE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT FOR THOSE THAT I HAVEN'T, I THINK THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBERS ON GLORIA THOMPSON AND ROSS.

NICE TO MEET YOU.

UM, SO I GAVE A VERSION OF THIS TO SOMEBODY ALL THAT WERE HERE BACK IN APRIL.

SO APOLOGIES THAT THERE'S SOME REDUNDANCY, UM, BUT OPEN TO QUESTIONS AND MAYBE NEW THOUGHTS.

SO WE, WE HAVE STARTED THIS STUDY AS OF A COUPLE, A WEEKS AGO, UM, IN SANTA ANA, I'M KIND OF GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE ONE-ON-ONE IS ROSS SET ON HOW IMPACT FEES WORK? UH, I'LL SAY THIS NOW AND THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE ARE STUDYING IMPACT FEES.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THEM NECESSARILY, BUT IF THAT'S THE DESIRED OUTCOME OF THIS AT THE END FROM COUNCIL AND FROM THE CAP, I'M GOING TO CALL YOU ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE STATE LAW CALLS YOU ALL THAT, BUT THE P AND Z, UM, UH, IF YOU ALL DECIDE THAT Y'ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN WALK THROUGH WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE, THE COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO START, I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT TO ABOUT 15 MINUTES AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END.

UM, SO CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACING CITIES TODAY IS, UH, INCREASING NEEDS AND DECREASING REVENUE STREAMS AND SOURCES OF THINGS.

UM, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE CRAZIEST GROWTH OF ANY CITY IN THE STATE OR THE COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER.

UH, AND SO, UM, IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN COMING UP IN A LOT OF SUBURBS OF THE AUSTIN AREA, UM, AND HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR ACTUALLY ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA IN TEXAS.

UM, I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF HOW GROWTH IS DEALT WITH TODAY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL A BACKDROP FOR THAT AND HOW IT COULD LOOK DIFFERENT.

UH, IF YOU DO AN IMPACT FEE SYSTEM, UH, AND AT THE END, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A DECISION POINT WITH BOTH P AND Z AND COUNCIL, UH, TO SELECT SOME BOUNDARIES FOR THE STUDY, WHICH I'LL EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE IN WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES TODAY.

UM, SO JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THE ROLES IN THIS PROCESS, UM, THERE ARE TWO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS TO ADOPT A FEE.

UH, ONE OF THOSE IS GROWTH PROJECTIONS ALSO KNOWN AS LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS.

IT LOOKS AT A 10 YEAR WINDOW OF GROWTH.

UH, AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND, UH, HEARING ON THE CIP AND THE, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

UM,

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UH, AND THEN FOR EACH OF THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE P AND Z OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND GET COMMENTS FROM YOU ALL ON THIS TO DELIVER TO COUNCIL AS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE LAW.

SO THOSE ARE THE ROLES, UH, GOBBLE, ADVISE COUNSEL ON WHAT SHE THINKS SHOULD BE DONE.

AND WE'LL TALK THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.

AND THEN COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THIS PROCESS, UH, WHERE ARE WE AT AND WHERE ARE WE HEADED? OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO HAVE MOST OF THIS PROCESS WRAPPED UP BY APRIL.

UM, WE JUST STARTED, LIKE I SAID, UH, THIS PAST MONTH, UM, TODAY I'M GOING TO OVERVIEW THE PROCESS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT BOUNDARIES.

UH, JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING WORK IN THE FALL, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AS WELL.

NOT JUST WITH THESE GROUPS, WITH OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, MAYBE LIKE HOME BUILDERS, ASSOCIATION AND OTHER GROUPS.

UH, AND THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, DIFFERENT KINDS OF ECONOMIC INTERESTS.

A LOT OF TIMES I GET REALLY INTRIGUED BY THIS AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO, UM, WE'LL TRY TO MEET WITH THEM UP IN THE FRONT, UH, AND AS WE CAN IN THIS STARTING IN JANUARY, UM, SO THERE'S GENERALLY TWO BUCKETS OF FUNDING NEEDS THAT YOU ARE FACING.

UM, ONE OF THOSE IS WHAT WE CALL THE EXISTING NEEDS.

UH, SO YOU GOT YOUR MAINTENANCE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW A LOT OF THE ROADS HAD SOME CHALLENGES AND A LOT OF PLACES DUE TO THE WINTER STORM LAST YEAR, UM, OPERATIONS.

SO JUST THINGS LIKE YOUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND MAKING THOSE RUN, UH, AND THEN ONE OF THE ONES WE CALL EXISTING IS SOMETIMES YOUR ROADS GET BEAT UP SO BADLY.

YOU'VE GOT TO REBUILD THE WHOLE THING AND WE CALL THAT A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION AND THAT KIND OF BECOMES MORE OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

AND THE OTHER IS YOUR, YOUR GROWTH NEEDS.

UH, SO THIS IS FOR THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING, EXPANDING LANES, NEW ROADS, UH, NEW TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

AND TRADITIONALLY THOSE HAVE BEEN FUNDED FROM BONDS AND THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE JUST WRAPPED UP THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THERE IS A 10 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN INCLUDED IN THAT WE IDENTIFIED OVER 300 MILLION AND NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS FOR COMPARISON TO SOME OTHER CITIES AROUND Y'ALL.

UH, GEORGETOWN HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND AREA, AND THEY JUST WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEY HAD ABOUT 550 MILLION THAT NEEDS A AND PFLUGERVILLE HAD SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT THE SAME, ABOUT 300 MILLION, UH, AND NEEDS AS WELL.

UM, SO JUST FOR SOME, SOME BACKDROPS ON THOSE, UH, FOR SIMILARITIES, UM, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY AN EXHAUSTED LIST OF OPTIONS, BUT I WILL SAY IN TEXAS, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITED ON HOW WE CAN FUND, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, SO THIS IS FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE.

THE ITEMS IN BLACK ARE THINGS THAT TRADITIONALLY ARE GONNA FUND YOUR MAINTENANCE OR THOSE EXISTING NEEDS.

UM, AND THE RED STUFF USUALLY HANDLES YOUR, YOUR GROWTH NEEDS.

UM, COMMON, COMMON ONES THAT YOU'LL HEAR OUR DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS, 3D AGREEMENTS AS ARE A COMMON WAY TO GET STUFF DONE.

YOU BASICALLY WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND COME UP WITH A, UM, AGREEABLE SOLUTION TO BOTH PARTIES TO HELP FIX THINGS THAT CAN BE FOR YOUR WATER, YOUR SEWER, YOUR TRANSPORTATION, OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE ONES THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN EXPLORED PREVIOUSLY IN THE ANDRES IMPACT FEES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT TODAY.

AND THE TRADITIONAL METHOD IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST THAT'S BEEN USED AS TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SHORTLY.

UM, SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT AND WHY HAS THIS BEEN A CHALLENGE AND WHY A LOT OF CITIES AROUND Y'ALL CONSIDERING THESE OR ADOPTING THESE, UM, HISTORICALLY A LOT OF YOUR BIG CITIES GREW AT LIKE AT A 1% RATE OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS ON THE EAST COAST AND OTHER ESTABLISHED AREAS FOR MOST PLACES AROUND HERE ARE DOING 10% PLUS.

SO YOUR TYPICAL GROWTH CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE.

UM, SO YOU'RE GRABBING IT MORE REVENUE STREAMS TO TRY TO DO THAT.

THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS THAT THE GAS TAX HASN'T REALLY FUNDED THE FEDERAL DOLLARS.

AND SO YOU'RE SEEING REDUCING DOLLARS COMING DOWN FROM FEDERAL TO STATE TO THE CITIES.

UM, SO, UH, PEOPLE ARE EXPLORING OTHER WAYS TO PAY FOR STUFF.

UM, AND THEN GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, MOST FOLKS WILL AGREE WITH GROWTH SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF OR GROCERY PAY FOR GROWTH IS PRETTY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE.

AND SO WE TRY TO KIND OF STICK TO THAT PARADIGM.

WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT IN THE STUDY OF WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACTS OF GROWTH ARE AND LET Y'ALL DECIDE WHAT THEIR APPROPRIATE SHARE SHOULD BE AND WHAT SHOULD BE THIS YEAR ON EXISTING TAXPAYERS.

THAT'S KIND OF THE DECISION POINT WE'LL LAND AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS.

SO THE CURRENT PRACTICE IN LEANDER, UM, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.

YOU CAN EITHER PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF A TA, UM, PEAK HOUR TRIPS, OR PROBABLY JUST FANCY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, JARGON.

I'LL SPARE YOU THAT EVERY HOUSE GENERATES A TRIP.

SO PER HOUSE, YOU'RE SEEING ABOUT 250 FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

THAT'S AN EASY COMPARISON POINT.

UH, THAT ACTUALLY CHANGED ABOUT A YEAR AGO BEFORE THAT IT WAS ABOUT HALF THAT UP UNTIL ABOUT 2019.

UH, AND SO, UH, ON AVERAGE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE GETTING, IF SOMEONE CHOOSES NOT TO DO A TIN PAY IS ABOUT $250 A HOUSE.

IF YOU DON'T DO THE FAMILY, OR YOU CAN DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, AND THESE ARE COMPLICATED, USUALLY DRAWN OUT STUDIES.

UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THESE AND I PERFORMED TIA IS BY THE WAY, I'VE DONE THESE FOR A LOT OF CITIES AROUND Y'ALL, UH, INCLUDING ONE IN LANDER.

AND, UM, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS YOU LOOK AT INTERSECTIONS AND ROADS AND SAY, IS, HAS IT BROKEN YET? IS IT FAILING? AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THE LAST PERSON IN.

SO IF YOU HAVE FOUR CORNERS OF AN INTERSECTION, THE LAST ONE TO DEVELOP USUALLY GETS HIT WITH A HIGHER SHARE OF THE COST.

SO IT'S USUALLY CONSIDERED LIKE UNFAIR AND PROPORTIONATE.

UM, THEY TAKE A LOT

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OF TIME.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HELPFUL ABOUT IMPACT FEES.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY KNOW BEFORE YOU EVEN BUY A PIECE OF LAND, WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH TODAY'S SYSTEM, UNLESS YOU, YOU DO HAVE THAT ACTUALLY, I SHOULD SAY, WITH YOUR, YOUR FIEND LIEU OPTION SO THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL THE END, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR.

UM, SO THIS IS JUST A HELPFUL GRAPHIC TO ILLUSTRATE HOW, UM, SOME SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY CAN BE UNFAIR.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

UM, SO EXAMPLE OF ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE ONE AND TWO ON THE MAP, UH, DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LEFT AND THE TOP LEFT OF THE SCREEN, UH, THESE ARE THE SAME SIZE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT ARE COMING IN.

LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE BOTH COMING AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, THE RED LINE DASH AT THE TOP IS AN OLD COUNTY ROAD WITH TWO LANES.

THAT'S GOING TO GET EXPANDED TO SIX, LET'S CALL IT CINDY RULE, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE FOR, FOR LOCALLY.

SO THE GUY, THE PERSON, OR MAN, OR WOMAN THAT'S DEVELOPING, NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE GOING TO GET STUCK WITH HAVING TO BUILD THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THEIR SITE, THE PERSON DOWN IN THE NUMBER ONE, THE ROAD'S ALREADY BUILT WHAT THE THIRD AIRPLANE SAYS THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR THAT ROAD NEXT TO HIS SITE.

SO SAME SIZE DEVELOPMENT, DIFFERENT IMPACTS JUST BY NATURE OF WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, DIFFERENT SITUATION WITH THREE AND FOUR IS YOUR FRONTAGE ON THE ROAD.

SO IF YOU'RE NEXT TO A THERAPY PLAN ROAD, YOU'RE HAVING A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AND POSSIBLY IMPROVE THE ROAD SITE THREE, JUST GOT UNLUCKY AND GOT THE SHORT STRAW.

THERE ARE FOUR TIMES THE FRONT EDGE OF SITE FOUR.

SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING FOUR TIMES THE IMPACT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BOTH BUILT 50 HOUSES.

AND THEN THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLE IS FIVE AND SIX.

YOU HAVE A FUTURE THERAPY PLAN ROAD THAT'S SHOWN AS BEING BUILT.

LET'S JUST CALL IT LAKE LINE.

IN THIS CASE, IN THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF TOWN.

AND ONE GUY, UNFORTUNATELY HAS THE LINE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

AND THE OTHER ONE, IT KIND OF WAS DRAWN ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE FUNCTION OF HOW THE PLAN CAME TOGETHER.

IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE AMOUNT OF ROADWAY THAT ARE HAVING TO BE BUILT BY FIVE AND SIX ARE THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT IN SIZE.

SO THIS IS HOW SYSTEMS CAN WORK TODAY.

UM, WHAT COULD BE HELPFUL WITH AN IMPACT FEE IS YOUR ACTUAL COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO INTO SOMETHING.

WE CAN SEE THAT AT THE FRONT END OF IT'S RE PROPORTIONATE TO WHAT YOUR IMPACTS ARE OF YOUR SITE.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

AND I CAN EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT LATER ON HOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY APPLY FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT.

UM, THE THINGS THAT WE USUALLY LIKE TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S IMPACT FEES OR ANYTHING ELSE, I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE.

UM, THESE ARE GENERALLY GOOD PRINCIPLES TO FOLLOW ON A SYSTEM FOR GETTING INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT, WHETHER THAT'S TRANSPORTATION OR OTHERWISE PREDICTABILITY IS KEY.

UM, THIS IS REALLY, UH, SOMETHING WE HEAR A LOT FROM THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY IS WE WANT IT TO BE PREDICTABLE, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.

UM, YOU WANT IT TO BE EQUITABLE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE THAT COMES IN AFTER SOMEONE ELSE, WILL YOU MADE HIM DO THAT? AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.

THAT'S A COMMON REFRAIN WE HEAR.

SO HOW IS IT EQUITABLE? UH, TRANSPARENCY IS KEY.

YOU DON'T WANT TO WALK IN AND NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, FLEXIBLE IS IMPORTANT.

AND THIS ONE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'LL HAPPEN IN A TIA TODAY IS YOU SAY, WELL, I'M CONTRIBUTING 10% OF THE TRAFFIC FOR THAT TURN LANE THAT'S NEEDED.

WELL, I'M GOING TO PAY YOU THE 10%.

WELL WHO COMES UP WITH THE OTHER 90%? IS IT THE CITY IS THE PROPERTY TAXES.

SO IT CAN JUST SIT THERE AND NEVER GET SPENT BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS EXPECTING THE MONEY TO BE PAID FOR THAT, BUT WHO'S GOING TO FOOT THE BILL FOR THE OTHER 90%.

UH, SO YOU WANT THE FUNDS TO BE FLEXIBLE, TO GO TO WHAT YOU NEED AND IN THE NEAR TERM, UM, YOU WANT IT TO BE LEGAL.

UM, THERE'S SOME STATE LAWS ALSO OUT THERE FOR PROPORTIONALITY.

SO YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY ILLEGAL, UH, COMPLIANT WITH THAT, AND THEN CONSISTENT WITH YOUR OTHER GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND THINGS LIKE YOUR COMP PLAN, UH, AND YOUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

SO, UM, HOW DO IMPACT FEES WORK? WHAT ARE THEY, UH, SO IMPACT FEES ARE A ONE-TIME FEE.

THAT IS AN, I'LL BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS TERM.

IT'S ALWAYS CAUSES CONFUSION.

ASSESS JUST MEANS THAT YOU, UH, LOCK IN A RATES, UH, WHEN YOU DO YOUR PLANNING PROCESS AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY PAY THEM AT BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, A LOT OF TIMES TODAY, UH, FEES OR THINGS ARE COLLECTED AT THE PLOT, BUT THIS SYSTEM WORKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHERE YOU ACTUALLY DON'T PAY ANY MONEY UNTIL IT, THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE.

UM, THERE'S SOME STATE LAW ON THIS.

IT'S REALLY BORING.

I WON'T MAKE YOU READ IT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, FOR, FOR LIGHT READING, IT'S CHAPTER 3 95 AND THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, AND THE ONLY TYPES OF IMPACT FEES IN TEXAS THAT ARE ALLOWED ARE WATER, WASTEWATER, ROADWAY, AND DRAINAGE.

OTHER STATES HAVE TAXES FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL.

BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE LIMITED TO IN TEXAS.

UM, OTHER CITIES AROUND Y'ALL THAT HAVE ADOPTED THEM, ALMOST ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, OUR AUSTIN PFLUGERVILLE ROUND ROCKY BRAUNFELS.

THERE'S A TYPO ON THE SCREEN.

GEORGETOWN ALSO DID, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, IN 2021 IN THE SPRING, AND THEN TAYLOR IN DRIPPING SPRINGS ARE ALSO CONSIDERING THEM.

SO THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE GUINEA PIG IN THIS PROCESS.

I'LL SAY THAT, UM, SOME OTHER FOLKS HAVE GONE BEFORE YOU, THERE'S A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS TO AN IMPACT FEE.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE QUICKLY, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO THEM IN FUTURE PRESENTATIONS, OR WE CAN GET INTO THEM IN Q AND A.

UM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, AN ACTION ON TONIGHT IS, IS DRAWING THE BOUNDARIES.

SO YOUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, THE STATE LAW ALLOWS THOSE TO BE CITY-WIDE OR EVEN OUT INTO THE COUNTY IN THE ETJ.

UM,

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BUT FOR ROADWAYS, THEY HAVE A WEIRD PROVISION THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T BE LARGER THAN SIX MILES, WHICH IS REALLY VAGUE.

WE GENERALLY INTERPRET THAT TO ME AND YOU CAN'T GO MORE THAN SIX MILES ON A ROAD INSIDE THE AREA.

UM, SO WHILE YOU CAN HAVE ONE AREA THAT COLLECTS MONEY AND GETS SPENT IN ONE AREA FOR YOUR WATER AND SEWER, YOU HAVE TO SPLIT THE CITY.

IF THEY INTERRUPT JUST BASED ON THE TRIP LENGTH.

UM, THE OTHER REALLY IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THESE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES IS THAT YOU CANNOT CHARGE IMPACT FEES IN THE ETJ.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RELY ON TA AS, OR SOME OTHER SYSTEM WHEN YOU CROSS OVER THAT LINE OF BOUNDARY OF JURISDICTIONS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR UP FRONT THAT YOU CAN'T CHARGE THESE IN THE ETJ.

UM, IF SOMEONE ANNEX IS IN, THEN YOU CAN CHARGE THEM.

BUT, UM, IF THEY DON'T AND THEY STAY IN THE COUNTY, BUT YOU'RE PART OF THE SUBDIVISION OR PLANNING PROCESS, YOU CAN'T CHARGE THEM OUT THERE.

UM, GEORGETOWN HAS A REALLY LARGE CITY LIMITS.

THEY ACTUALLY HAD NINE ROUND ROCK, HAD THREE PFLUGERVILLE, HAD THREE AREAS.

WE'VE GOT MAPS WITH THREE TO FIVE FOR SOME OPTIONS TO CONSIDER LATER TONIGHT.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, THE LANE IS ASSUMPTIONS WERE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS BASED ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THERE'S AN UPDATE TO YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE STUDY.

SO WE'RE ALIGNING OUR GROWTH PROJECTIONS WITH THEM, REALLY WHAT THIS DOES IS IT TELLS YOU WHAT'S THE NEEDS FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS RELATIVE TO THE PROJECTS.

SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, SERVICE UNITS ARE SOMETHING THAT BASICALLY IS USED TO COMPUTE, EXCUSE ME.

UM, WHAT, HOW DO YOU CONVERT A DEVELOPMENT INTO A FEE IS THE SIMPLE WAY TO SAY A SERVICE UNIT WITH WATER AND SEWER.

IT'S REALLY EASY.

IT'S A METER.

YOU HAVE A METER FOR THE SITE.

THAT'S ONE INCHES, INCH, AND A HALF.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH TRANSPORTATION, IT'S MORE NEBULOUS.

SO W HOW MUCH DEMAND AM I PUTTING ON THE SYSTEM? SO WE ACTUALLY DO, AS WE COME UP WITH A CHART THAT IS IN THE STUDY, AND IT'LL TELL YOU IF EVERY HOUSE GENERATES THIS MANY VEHICLES TRAVELING THIS MANY MILES, THIS IS REALLY ALL IT IS, UH, OR THIS MANY SQUARE FEET OF A RETAIL STRIP CENTER WILL GENERATE THIS MUCH TRAFFIC.

SO SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT, I WAS JUST SAYING, WELL, FUNNY, I WAS USING THE TWO EXAMPLES.

SO A HOUSE IS GOING TO GENERATE ABOUT ONE TRIP IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK AND AN AVERAGE LENGTH.

THIS IS GOING TO POSSIBLY CHANGE AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS STUDY, BUT THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES.

IF IT WAS FOUR MILES, WAS YOUR AVERAGE TRIP FROM YOUR HOME TO YOUR WORK.

UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND THEN MULTIPLY IT TIMES THE RATE.

AND SO IT'S FOUR VEHICLES TRAVELING ONE MILE OR ONE MUTE VEHICLE TRAVELING FOUR MILES FOR COMMERCIAL.

UH, IT'S SIMILAR.

UM, WHAT WE DO ACTUALLY ACCOUNT FOR IN THE STUDY THOUGH, IS IF YOU ARE CONSIDERED SOMETHING CALLED A PASS BY TRIP.

SO IF YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY HOME TO WORK AND YOU STOP AT A GAS STATION, THAT'S NOT ANOTHER TRIP YOU'RE JUST PASSING BY AND CONTINUING TO GO ON.

SO WE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED ON YOUR SYSTEM IN DEMAND FOR THOSE GROUPS WITH THE WRONG WAY.

UH, WHAT CAN YOU PAY FOR WITH THESE PROGRAMS? THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO, UH, YOU CAN PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE FOR THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING OR, OR, UH, IS HERE, UM, THAT CAN INCLUDE THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC, LIGHTS, BRIDGES, SIDEWALKS.

UM, YOU CAN ALSO INCLUDE THE, UH, SURVEY AND ENGINEERING FEES.

AND FUNNY ENOUGH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE COST TO DO THIS STUDY THAT YOU'RE PAYING US.

SO WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE AND YOU CAN REIMBURSE YOURSELF FOR THAT.

UM, THAT'S ALLOWED, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR BY THE LAW.

ONCE YOU CAN'T PAY FOR HIS MAINTENANCE ONLY PROJECTS, YOU CAN'T PAY FOR A STANDALONE BIKE SIDEWALK OR TRAIL PROJECTS.

THOSE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO BE PAID FOR.

I HAD A QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

UM, UNDER COMPONENTS THAT CANNOT BE PAID FOR THE PROJECTS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CIP, IS THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED AT THE TIME THAT THEY PAY IN, OR CAN WE ADOPT A PROJECT LATER THAT IS INCLUDED? YEAH.

SO, UM, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, STATE LAW REQUIRES IF YOU DO ADOPT AN IMPACT FEE TO REDO THE STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS AT A MINIMUM.

SO YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY FIVE YEARS NOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS LIKE A REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT THAT COMES UP, AND IT'S NOT IN THE, THE STUDY ITSELF, AND YOU WANT TO ADD IT, YOU CAN DO A SMALL UPDATE TO ADD THE PROJECT IN AT THAT TIME AT A MORE HIGHER FREQUENCY, BASICALLY, UM, SOME CITIES ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT, NOT FOR THE PROJECTS, BUT ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEIR CITY LIMITS STARTED GROWING AND GETTING MORE ANNEXATIONS, THEY WANTED TO UPDATE THE STUDY SO THEY COULD CHARGE THE FEES AND THE NEWLY ANNEX AREAS.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING MORE OF IN CENTRAL TEXAS, AS FOLKS ARE WANTING TO DO BEFORE FIVE YEARS.

FOR THAT REASON, I HAD A CORRIDOR THAT WAS GROWING AND THEY'RE PAYING AND, AND WE REALIZED HALFWAY THROUGH THAT, WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE ROADS WE CAN ALTER THAT AND THAT MONEY PAID IN CAN STILL GO TOWARDS IT.

CORRECT? YEAH.

IT MAY IMPACT THE FEES THAT YOU CAN CHARGE WHEN YOU UPDATE, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN YOU DO THAT.

UM, BUT TALK THROUGH THE POLICY DECISIONS OR HOW THIS PROGRAM COULD WORK.

AND THEN I'LL JUST GET I'M ON HERE.

THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OF STAFF, TIME TO ADMINISTER THIS CANNOT BE PAID FOR FROM THIS.

SO YOU HAVE TO FIND SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO PAY FOR THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR.

UM, REALLY SIMPLY PUT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS STUDY AND IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU LEGALLY CAN CHARGE.

I'M GONNA JUST SAY THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH WITH P AND Z AND Y'ALL IS WHAT SHOULD YOU CHARGE? AND,

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UM, AND REALLY, AGAIN, SIMPLY PUT, WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH NUMBER CALLED A MAXIMUM FEE PER VEHICLE MILE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

SO WHAT'S THE FEE FOR EVERY UNIT OF DEMAND ON YOUR SYSTEM.

IT'S SIMPLY WHAT WE CALL THE RECOVERABLE COST OF THE PROJECTS DIVIDED BY THE GROWTH THAT'S EXPECTED.

AND WHAT THAT REALLY IS SAYING IS WHAT THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS IS IN EACH OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LATER, HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO PAY TO DELIVER THE INFRASTRUCTURE YOU NEED FOR THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING? THAT'S A SIMPLE WAY TO TRANSLATE WHAT, WHAT THE MAXIMUM FREE REPRESENTS, AND THEN YOU DECIDE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, HOW MUCH WHAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT FOR DEVELOPMENT TO BEAR AS A PORTION OF THAT COST VERSUS NOT.

AND THAT'S THE DECISION POINT.

UM, I MEAN, IT'S EVERY FIVE YEARS UPDATES REQUIRED.

UM, AND THEN, UH, I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING FOR THE SECOND TIME.

SO WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW AN IMPACT FEE COULD BE APPLIED.

SO LET'S JUST SAY, AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT LENDER'S NUMBER IS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER UNIT OF DEMAND, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO IF YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT COMES IN AND IT'S 350 UNITS, EVERY UNIT GENERATES ABOUT TWO OF THOSE SERVICE UNITS ARE VEHICLE MILES, AND THEY WOULD JUST DO THIS MATH OUT REALLY SIMPLY.

AND IT WOULD BE 700,000 WOULD BE THE IMPACT.

IF THAT WAS THE NUMBER.

UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE THOUSAND LESS.

LET'S SAY THAT THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS IS WHAT THE STUDY SAYS.

THEN YOU CAN DECIDE AS COUNCIL, WHAT YOU THINK THE ACTUAL COLLECTION RATE SHOULD BE.

THAT'S JUST SAYING WHAT YOU COULD COLLECT UP TO, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN THE JANUARY TO MARCH TIMEFRAME IS WE'LL START TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHOULD THAT BE? SHOULD IT BE DIFFERENT FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL ALREADY, IF YOU WANT TO BREAK OUT LIKE INDUSTRIAL FROM RETAIL OR OTHER THINGS, OFFICE JUST KIND OF BASED ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND, USE PLANNING PRIORITIES.

SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT LATER.

UM, I MENTIONED THERE'S A DECISION POINT THAT COMES.

UM, SO THESE PIE CHARTS ARE PRETTY HELPFUL.

WE'LL PUT REAL NUMBERS TO, AND LATER IN THIS PROCESS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MAKE UP.

SO THE WHOLE PIE REPRESENTS THE COST OF ALL THE PROJECTS.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT GET CUT OUT OF THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO, UM, THE RED PIECE IS WHEN WE DO THE STUDY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ROADS THAT ARE GETTING WIDENED THAT HAVE TRAFFIC ON THEM TODAY.

SO WE HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USING THE ROAD.

THOSE ARE EXISTING TAXPAYERS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO JUST RIP THE ROAD UP AND BUILD FOUR LANES OR NEW LANES.

IF YOU GO TO LIKE A FOUR LANE ROAD, YOU HAVE TO DISCOUNT IT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY USING IT TODAY.

SO THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE TOTAL COST.

SO THAT'S ONE DISCOUNT.

WE ALSO LOOK AT THE FUTURE PROPERTY TAXES.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET ROUGHLY WE HAVE A FINANCIAL GROUP, NUGENT STRATEGIES.

THAT'S GOING TO HELP US WITH THAT.

THAT'S REALLY GOOD AT THIS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF THAT TYPE OF RATE STUDY WORK AROUND THE STATE.

UM, AND THEY DO, UH, WE DO A CREDIT BACK FOR THE, FOR THE AD LORNE TAXES YOU'RE GOING TO GET.

SO WE REALIZED THAT GROWTH IS GOOD.

IT'S BRINGING IN TAX DOLLARS.

WE WANT TO GIVE THAT CREDIT BACK WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS CALCULATION.

AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON WE FIND THAT, HEY, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE SHOWING ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING MORE CAPACITY ON THE ROAD THAT'S NEEDED BASED ON YOUR GROWTH.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO CUT THAT OUT AS WELL AND SAY, THAT'S BEYOND THE STUDY SCOPE.

IT'S FOR, EVEN BEYOND THIS, THIS 10 YEAR WINDOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.

AND THEN WHAT'D YOU DECIDE IS BASICALLY WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE IN THE GREEN AND THE YELLOW PIECE OF THAT PIE? IS IT TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT? IS IT 10%, 50% OF THE, WHAT YOU CAN COLLECT? AND THEN THE REST OF IT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I DIDN'T SHOW IT HERE, BUT SOMETIMES WE'LL ALSO SAY SOMETIMES THAT YELLOW, THE PIECE OF THE PIE CAN ALSO BE, WHAT'S NEVER BUILT.

UM, YOU CAN JUST CHOOSE NOT TO BUILD STUFF.

THAT'S, WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND WATER AND WASTEWATER IS YOU CAN'T REALLY LIVE WITHOUT WATER OR SEWER LINES, BUT YOU CAN LIVE IN TRAFFIC.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF SOMETIMES THE DECISION POINT COMING OUT OF THAT, TOO.

UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

UM, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY, IF YOU HAVE A CITY BUILDING GOING IN SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE ASSESSED A FEE, UM, POLICY DECISION ON Y'ALL SIDE, BUT THAT IS ALLOWED BY THE LAW.

THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY EXEMPT ARE PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDINGS CAN'T BE CHARGED FOR THAT.

THEY'RE GETTING A DIFFERENT KIND OF SHARE OF THE TAXES FROM PROPERTY TAXES, RIGHT? SO IT CAN'T CAN'T PLAY WITH THAT GAME.

UH, THE OTHER ONE IS IF YOU HAVE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S PROBABLY HARDLY ANY THIS LEANER, BUT, UH, WE CALL IT CAPITAL A AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS DEFINED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO THAT'S A REALLY LOW COST HOUSING.

THEY ARE ALSO EXEMPTS.

UM, BUT THAT'S, HASN'T REALLY COME UP A WHOLE LOT IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMS WE'VE SEEN, UM, IN TEXAS IN GENERAL.

UM, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES? SO WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE THE STUDY THAT TELLS YOU WHAT THE LEGAL AMOUNT YOU COULD CHARGE TO DO ALL THAT MATH FOR YOU.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE, WHICH THE LAW REQUIRES 40% BE REPRESENTED BY FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT TO MAKE SURE WE GO AN EXTRA STEP IS WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS THAT ARE GONNA BE MOST IMPACTED AND TALK TO THEM DURING THIS PROCESS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED AND WE'LL REPORT ALL THAT BACK TO YOU ALL.

SO YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON YOUR HANDS HERE, UH, IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO, TO,

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TO WORK WITH ON THE POLICY DECISIONS SIDE, UM, SOME THINGS THAT IN OUR EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DONE THIS FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS AROUND THE STATE, UH, CAN, CAN REALLY HELP PROJECTS BE SUCCESS.

UM, HAVING THAT MASTER PLAN RECENTLY DONE, WHICH HE DID A LOT OF TIMES, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE IS A FIVE-YEAR REQUIREMENT FOR THE STUDY.

SO IT CAN HELP YOU GET INTO A PATTERN OF, HEY, BEFORE WE REDO THE STUDY, MAYBE WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT OUR CIP, THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, GETTING GOOD STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT'S IMPORTANT THAT VARIES ON THE COMMUNITIES.

I WORK WITH.

SOME COMMUNITIES SAY, HEY, WE JUST WANT THE ONE PUBLIC MEETING AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

OTHER PLACES ARE LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO HAVE 30 MEETINGS.

SO I'VE DONE BOTH.

UM, IT'S UP TO, UM, UP TO THE COMMUNITY THAT I WORK IN.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL.

THE FOURTH BULLET POINT ON HERE IS, UH, WE WILL SHOW YOU COMPARATIVELY WHAT THE RATES ARE IN OTHER PLACES.

UM, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF WHERE DO WE FALL COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND COMPARED TO OTHER FOLKS AROUND THE STATE.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY GET INTO THAT LATER.

UM, THIS LAST ONE IS IMPORTANT AND IT WON'T COME UP UNTIL PROBABLY A YEAR OR TWO OR FOR NOW, UH, BUT, UH, IF THEY ARE ADOPTED, BUT THERE IS A NEED TO ACTUALLY MANAGE THIS FROM BOTH YOUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT ENGINEERING AND OTHER FOLKS THAT IT DOES CREATE OUR NEW STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, UH, THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE MOST LIKELY.

SO, UM, ALSO SOMETHING AT THE END OF THE PROCESS THAT WE FIND HELPFUL, AS AN EXAMPLE FROM ROUND ROCK, WE'LL ACTUALLY DEVELOP IN OUR SCOPE OF SERVICES, A WORKSHEET TO ESTIMATE FEES, UH, BASED ON WHATEVER'S DECIDED IF IT DOES GET ADOPTED.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPER COMMUNITY CAN PLAY WITH AND DECIDE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IF I DID XYZ, WHAT WOULD THE PHOEBE, OKAY, WELL, I WANT TO TRY THIS DIFFERENT COMBINATION.

ABC.

THAT'S BEEN USUALLY REALLY HELPFUL AND WELL LIKED BY THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WORKED WITH.

UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT THE RIGHT POLICY IS FOR Y'ALL.

UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICY TO PAY FOR YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, COMMUNITIES THAT AREN'T GROWING VERY FAST.

THESE DON'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT MUCH REVENUE.

SO WE USUALLY DON'T RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU'RE MOSTLY BUILT OUT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEW LANE AND YOUR CITY LIMITS TO DEVELOP, THEY MAY NOT MAKE SENSE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT SEEING A LOT OF BUILDING IN YOUR CITY LIMITS.

UM, WE WANNA CONSIDER THE POLITICAL AND DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL TO, UH, BOTH SIDES, BUT ALSO NOT DISRUPT THE MARKET FLOW, UH, IN THE PROCESS THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION OTHER FUNDING, IF THERE'S GRANTS OR OTHER TYPES OF MONEY OUT THERE, UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN FILL UP THAT PIECE OF THE PIE THAT WE SAID THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK DEVELOPMENT TO HELP PAY FOR? WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS? AND THIS LAST ONE IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT.

I FIND, AND WE WE'VE SEEN IT SUCCESSFUL WITH OTHER IMPACT FEE PROGRAMS, BUT WHAT YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT IS A PROGRAM THAT GENERATES A LOT OF MONEY IN YOUR POCKET.

THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND AND SPEND MONEY AND TIME AND RESOURCES TO GET SOMEONE TO BUILD IT.

HOW DO YOU GET THE COMMUNITY, THE DEVELOP COMMUNITY TO BUILD IT AND GET CREDITS TOWARDS THEIR FEES? UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO TO THE DECISION POINT, UM, SERVICE AREA BOUNDARIES.

SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON HOW BIG THESE CAN BE.

WE'VE GOT THREE OPTIONS.

UM, THIS FIRST OPTION WOULD BE A THREE SERVICE AREA, BOUNDARY, UM, KIND OF CONCEPTS.

UM, HOW DO I PICK MY BOUNDARIES IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IN YOUR MINDS.

SO THERE'S TWO REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS WE CONSIDER.

UM, ONE OF THEM IS WHERE YOUR NATURAL, WHAT I CALL, UH, TRAVEL AREA OR TRAVEL SHEDS.

THAT'S A FANCY TERM THAT BASICALLY SAYS, DO PEOPLE MOSTLY STAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF 1 93, A TO DO LIKE THEIR SHOPPING AND THEIR OTHER TYPES OF ACTIVITIES? DO THEY LIVE OVER THERE AND DO THEY STAY OVER THERE? UM, HIGHWAYS ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED A BARRIER THAT'S COMMON TO USE.

UM, THE OTHER, UH, IS IF YOU HAVE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON HERE, WE'LL TRY TO GO.

PERFECT.

SO HERE OUR WAY THROUGH HERE, UM, IN THAT SENSE, IF YOU HAVE A BOUNDARY AS A STREET, YOU COULD ACTUALLY COLLECT MONEY FROM THE RED AREA AND THE GREEN AREA TO PAY FOR PROJECTS ON THAT BOUNDARY ROAD.

SO THERE'S A HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS IN TOWN THAT MAKES SENSE AS A BOUNDARY, WE TRY TO INCLUDE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY COLLECT RESOURCES FROM MULTIPLE AREAS TO PAY FOR PROJECTS.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE CONCEPT.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS ABOUT AS BIG AS THEY COULD PROBABLY GET, UM, JUST BASED ON THE TRIP.

SO THE TRIP LIMITATIONS, THE SECOND OPTION, UM, WE ACTUALLY MOVED THE BOUNDARY OVER FROM 180 3, 80 TO 180 3.

UM, WE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY PROJECT FROM THE, THE MOST RECENT, UH, CIP EFFORT AND THE TMP, UM, AND, UH, KEPT THAT HERE OUR WAY AROUND IT, BUT THAT'S BROKEN INTO FOUR.

UH, WE ACTUALLY KEPT THAT, THAT SPLIT GOING TO THE EAST.

THAT'S A, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON RIGHT AWAY FOR THE FUTURE TEXTS, THAT RIGHT AWAY PROJECT, THAT COULD ALSO, UM, SOME OF THAT COULD BE PAID FOR POSSIBLY OUT OF THIS PROGRAM THAT WAS HIGH PRIORITY.

AND THEN THIS LAST ONE WAS MORE JUST LOOKING AT IF WE WANT MORE AREAS.

UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY KIND OF CUT OUT SOME OF THE, MORE OF THE, THE OLD, UH, OLD TOWN AREA, SOUTH OF THE KIND OF NORTH LINE, KIND OF MORE OF YOUR DEVELOPED AREA AND KIND OF MAKE IT ITS OWN BECAUSE THE AREA ON THE SOUTHWEST KIND OF GETS FURTHER AND FURTHER APART AND STRIPS GET LONGER AND LONGER ON THE SOUTHWEST QUESTION.

UM, IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT HAVING LESS AREAS WOULD, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE IT GIVES US A BIGGER AREA TO USE THE FUND? YES.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT NAIL ON THE HEAD, I DIDN'T GET TO THAT, BUT THAT'S GOOD INSIGHT.

UM, WE DO TRY TO MAKE THEM MAKE THEM LARGER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING TO COLLECT RESOURCES, TO PAY FOR ACTUAL PROJECTS.

SO,

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THAT THING I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE 10%, 90%, IF YOU'RE COLLECTING PIECES TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT THAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH AREA TO COLLECT IT, TO ACTUALLY START MOBILIZING PROJECTS.

SO, YEAH.

AND THE FLEXIBILITY JUST TO FLEXIBILITY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.

WE CAN DO QUESTIONS, BUT THE DECISION POINT WE'RE ASKING FROM BOTH PNZ AND COUNCIL IS, UM, IF WE CAN PICK ONE OF THESE OPTIONS OR MODIFY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS TONIGHT, THAT'S GOING TO HELP US BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF ALL THE MATH AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS, ALL OF THE MAXIMUM FEES AND THE METRICS, THE GROWTH, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SPLIT INTO THESE BUCKETS OR THESE AREAS.

SO, UM, WE WANTED TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT BEFORE WE GET DEEP INTO THE ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

OH, WAIT ONE.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE HAVE ABOUT 12 MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS.

IT'S OPEN TO P AND Z AND COUNCIL P AND Z.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU COME UP TO THE MIC EXCEPT FOR YOU, JOHN, YOU FLAG US DOWN AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL MIC FOR YOU AND I'LL RECOGNIZE A PROTON ROSS.

SO IF WE'RE THE, THE LINES THAT BEING CUT WITH THE SECTIONS, IF THE ROADS THAT BORDER THOSE, CAN YOU USE MONEY FROM ANY OF THE FORD TO GO IN THERE? LIKE IF IT WAS SOME, THE NORTH HALF, COULD YOU USE FUNDS FOR ME, THEY'RE PLACED FOR THE ROAD.

I'LL, I'LL USE THIS, LOOK AT THIS KIND OF LIKE ALMOST THE PERFECT QUADRANT WINDOW SHAPE.

UM, SO FOR THIS ONE, FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, THIS NORTH PART OF 180 3, RIGHT HERE, YOU COULD FUND IT FROM THE RED OR THE GREEN, AND THEN FOR LIKE HERO WAY DOWN HERE, YOU COULD FUND IT FROM THE BLUE OR THE GREEN ON THIS PIECE.

SO I WANTED TO CONFIRM AS LONG AS IT TOUCHES, THEN YOU'RE FINE.

UM, AND THEN WHAT'S A LITTLE BIT RISKY BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE MONEY AND THEN IF YOU HAVE MONEY, THERE'S ONE FOR ONE ROAD AND THEN YOU CAN SPEND ON ANOTHER ROAD WHAT'S TO SAY THAT OTHER ROAD WILL NEVER GET FIXED OR BUILT.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S MY FEAR OF PUTTING MONEY INTO A BUCKET AND BEING LIKE, OH, WE'LL USE IT OVER HERE AT ATTACHES.

IT'S LEGAL, BUT SHOULD WE NOT USE THE MONEY THAT SOMEBODY PAYS FOR A ROAD FOR THAT ROAD? YEAH.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT GETS BACK.

THAT'S A GREAT, UM, UH, COMMENT CUSTOMER SHOP.

UM, THIS GETS BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.

OOPS.

I MEANT TO GO THIS WAY WAS NOW, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE ONE ON THE, THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE IF Y'ALL, DON'T COLLECT A DIME FROM THE PROGRAM AND STUFF GETS BUILT, THAT'S BETTER.

UH, QUITE FRANKLY, CAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME TO HAVE TO CONSTRUCT, INSPECT AND DO ALL THAT STUFF.

AND THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE BUILDING, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, SO YES, TO YOUR POINT, COULD IT BE CONTROLLED TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING? SO YOU DON'T END UP WITH A LOT OF MONEY IN YOUR HANDS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING STUFF BUILT OR IT'S BEEN LIKE, CAUSE IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT, IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT THERE, IT'S GOING TO GET SPENT SOMEWHERE.

THEN BUILDING CONTROLS.

YOU'VE GOT THIS, THESE BEADS FOR THIS ROW.

SO, UM, YOU CAN, SO THE FLEXIBILITY IS BUILT INTO THE PROGRAM SO THAT YOU CAN SPEND IT WHERE YOU NEED TO, MAINLY BECAUSE LET'S, WELL, THE QUESTION BECOMES, IF A DEVELOPER PAYS, LET'S JUST SAY HALF TO MAKE IT SIMPLER.

THEY'D PAY, LET'S SAY IT'S A $2 MILLION ROAD.

THEY PAY A MILLION INSIGHT, SAY THAT YOU GOTTA BUILD IT.

YOU COULD TRY TO TIE IT TO THE ROAD, BUT THE IS WHERE'S THE OTHER MONEY GONNA COME FROM? MAYBE IT COMES FROM THIS BUCKET OF MONEY ON THAT AREA AND IT GETS PAID FOR.

UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE TRY NOT TO ADD THE, THE STRINGS ATTACHED BECAUSE YOUR PRIORITIES CAN SHIFT AND CHANGE.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEXT BIG CRYSTAL SPRINGS OR SOMETHING ELSE, THE REVISION OF THE CIP THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY DICTATE THAT TOO.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO WHEN A PROJECT GETS BUILT, THEN IT COMES OFF THE LIST AND THEN IT CHANGES THE FEET.

SO ANYBODY ELSE I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, COME ON UP.

CAN YOU JUST, UH, DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER OR MORE ABOUT WHAT A SERVICE UNIT IS, HOW IT'S GENERATED AND THEN HOW WE APPLY THOSE, THE WEEDS.

THAT'S GOOD.

UM, SO I THINK I WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WATER AND WASTEWATER IS EASY IF YOU BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND IT HAS THE TWO INCH METER, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR YOU'RE SERVICING AND THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED.

UM, SO ON THE SERVICE UNIT SIDE, LET ME GET BACK TO IT HERE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE AN, A CERTAIN AVERAGE TRIP, LENGTH AND LANDER.

SO ALL THIS DOES IS IT SAYS, HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A STANDARD? HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A STANDARD MEASURE TO ASSESS ALL DEVELOPMENTS? SO WHAT WE DO IS, IS SERVICING IT'S ARE MADE UP OF TWO COMPONENTS.

IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ASCITES GENERATING WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT, THE TRIP GENERATION RATES, HOW MANY TRIPS IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME ARE BEING GENERATED.

AND THEN HOW FAR ARE THOSE TRIPS GOING? SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL TRIP FROM HOME TO WORK,

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IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE, IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT TRIP LENGTH.

SO THESE THINGS HAVE DIFFERENT TRIP LINKS THAN THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TRIP RATES.

THE TRIP GENERATION IS BASED OFF NATIONAL STANDARDS.

THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL.

THAT'S, THAT'S NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AND USED IN THOSE TIAS.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

UH, AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO COME UP WITH THE RATES.

THE OTHER PIECE IS GOING TO BE BASED OFF OF, UH, LOCAL TRAVEL INFORMATION FROM THINGS LIKE YOUR, YOUR LOCAL MPO, THE MA THE CAPITOL AREA, METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES A HUGE REGIONAL TRAVEL MODEL.

AND THEY HAVE TRIPLE LENGTHS AND THAT, SO THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO COME UP WITH IT, APPLYING IT IS THE EXAMPLE WE SHOWED EARLIER OF, UM, ONCE WE KNOW WHAT YOUR EITHER MAXIMUM FEE OR COLLECTION FEE IS, WE MULTIPLY AT TIMES THAT I'LL CALL IT THE MULTIPLIER, UM, WHICH IS THE, THE SERVICE UNITS THAT TO YOU ON THIS SCREEN IS THE TWO FOR THAT.

SO FOR EVERY UNIT, YOU'RE GENERATING TWO UNITS IN THIS EXAMPLE, AND THEN YOU MULTIPLY IT TIMES THE RATE, AND THAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOUR FEE IS, BUT HOW GRANULAR CAN WE GET WITH THE NUMBER OF THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE UNITS AT A PARTICULAR HOUSING OR DEVELOPMENT TYPE CREATE? YEAH.

SO, UM, YOU CAN GET INTO, YOU COULD GET A LOT OF FOLKS WILL HAVE A, UM, LIKE SINGLE FAMILY RATE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE LIKE A DUPLEX QUADPLEX.

YOU COULD HAVE A, UM, WE CALL THEM THREE STORIES OR LESS APARTMENTS, NOT SURE HOW MANY HIGH RISE APARTMENTS WILL GET LANDER, BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET GRANULAR.

THIS IS THE SHORT ANSWER.

UM, MOST OF THE COMMUNITIES WE'VE WORKED WITH HAVE ABOUT 60 TO 70 DIFFERENT LAND USES, BUT WE CAN PLAY WITH THAT AND EXPAND, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEIR SPECIAL ONES, BUT THE PROCESS THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT AT ANY POINT, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY ASKING FOR A MICROPHONE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY, YOU CAN'T ASK FOR AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT RATE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

ONCE YOU HAVE THAT PROCESS DONE, YOU CAN, UM, UM, THE STUDY ITSELF HAS TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS TO SET THE CEILING ON WHAT CAN BE CHARGED, BUT AS A COUNCIL, IF YOU GET SIX MONTHS AND YOU'RE LIKE, WE GOT SOMETHING WRONG, YOU CAN COME CHANGE THE RATE.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY ADD A LANE, LIKE ANOTHER ROW ON THE CHART, WE MISSED A LAND USE.

THAT'S BEEN REALLY POPULAR.

LET'S SAY YOU GO INTO TO MICROBREWERIES AND YOU WANNA MAKE REALLY SPECIFIC TO THAT.

YOU CAN DO THAT AT ANY TIME.

UH, IN THAT FIVE-YEAR WINDOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO EVERY FIVE YEARS LOOK AT THE, THE CEILING NUMBER THAT YOU CAN CHARGE.

YOU CAN CHANGE THE COLLECTION RATE BASED ON LAND USE, AS YOU CAN ADD LAND USES.

SO, OKAY.

THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DOES THIS START? I MEAN, IS THERE A START DATE DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU KNOW, YEAH.

SO IT HAPPENS WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN PROCESS.

GREAT QUESTION.

TRICKY.

UM, SO STATE LAW, THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT AND EVERY COMMUNITY HANDLES THIS VERY DIFFERENTLY.

I'LL SAY THIS.

SO, UH, IF YOU DO ADOPT, UM, AT A MINIMUM, ANYBODY WHO HAS PLANTED IN IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS PRIOR TO AN ADOPTION DATE, THEY GET A MINIMUM.

AND I SAY MINIMUM BECAUSE MOST FOLKS MAKE IT LONGER A ONE YEAR GRACE PERIOD TO GET BUILDING PERMITS WITHOUT FEES.

IF YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY OR SOMETHING ELSE, AND THEY HAVE DOLLARS THAT ARE INVOLVED, YOU'LL LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE PAID OR CONTRIBUTED VERSUS WHAT THE NEW FEE IS.

AND THEN THE DELTA WOULD GET ASSESSED POTENTIALLY DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TOOK THEM TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ROUND ROCK THEY'D SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT ANYTHING FOR TWO YEARS.

SO THEY GAVE EVERYBODY TWO YEARS TO GET ALL THEIR PLATS AND BELLY PERMITS IN PLACE, GEORGETOWN TICKET, A STEP FURTHER, THEY ADOPTED IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, BUT THEY SAID, AS LONG AS YOU SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY PLAT BEFORE MARCH OF 2023, YOU WILL NEVER PAY A FEE.

SO THEY WENT, THEY WENT PRETTY HARD ON THE, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MOST EXTREME, UH, OR THE MOST SIGNIFICANT GRACE PERIOD AND THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD RANGE THERE.

AND SOME FOLKS WILL JUST SAY THAT THE STATE LAW MINIMUM, WE'RE GOING TO START COLLECTING IN A YEAR FOR EVERYBODY.

IT CAN'T BE INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY.

DR.

STYLES, COME ON UP.

WHAT OUR LIBERTY HILL AND CEDAR PARK'S PLANS, AS FAR AS THESE, THIS GOES, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING THEM RIGHT NOW.

THEY WOULD NOT BE COLLECTING THE CORRECT YOU COULD.

UM, BUT YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THEM YET.

WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT ACT ON HOUSING COSTS HERE IN LEANDER, AS OPPOSED TO LIBERTY HILL IN CEDAR PARK, IF WE ADOPTED SO TWO ANSWERS TO THAT PART ONE IS THERE IS A COST TODAY TO HOUSING FROM YOUR CURRENT POLICY.

IT'S WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE TA OR THE 250 PER HOUSE FEE.

SO IT'S NOT A NET ZERO GAME, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE, THE COST OF HOUSING WOULD BE WHATEVER THE RATE GETS SET.

SO Y'ALL IN AS P AND Z AND COUNCIL CAN DELIBERATE ON WHAT YOU THINK.

WOULD IT BE AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT TO CHARGE? ARE THERE, IF THERE ARE EXISTING ROADS, UH, ARE THEY GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THIS AS WELL? IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY EXPANSION OF THE ROAD AND THERE'S NO EXPANSION OF THE ROAD PLAN, THEN

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CITY MANAGER.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN LIKE OVER, I GUESS, REALLY YEAR AND A HALF PROCESS AT THIS POINT.

SO EARLY ON WHEN WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RACING TOWARDS A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE AND THERE NEVER HAD BEEN A MODELED, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC MODELED SYNCHRO OR SIMILAR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

PART OF THAT WAS ALSO, WE HAD THAT PIECE ON ONE SIDE.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAD THE, THE, UH, ADEQUACY PHASE, THE ONE AREA WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE IMPACT FEES.

AND SO FOR EVERYONE THAT IS SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE MASTER PLAN, REALLY, AND THIS IS WHERE THAT COST COMES IN.

I GUESS IT'S, WHO'S GOING TO BEAR THE COST.

SO THAT 10 YEAR, $325 MILLION DELTA, IT IS GOING TO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BE PASSED ON.

AT SOME POINT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S ALL LEFT ON THE TABLE FOR THE CITIZENS, THEN THEY PAY IT LATER ON, MAYBE AFTER THE L AND M IS NEEDED, MAYBE AFTER THE EXPANSION IS NEEDED.

AND I THINK AT LEAST BY GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AT FURTHER REFINES, WHAT THE, WHAT THE TRUE COST IS OF THOSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, CORRECT.

AND THEN ONE CLARIFYING POINT I'LL ADD IS I MENTIONED THAT NOT BUILT CATEGORY EARLIER, IN THEORY, YOU MAY NEVER ACTUALLY DO THE 300 MILLION IN PROJECTS.

SOME OF THAT MIGHT NOT GET BUILT, BUT IT JUST MEANS THAT CONGESTION IS GOING TO GET WORSE.

YOU, BUT YOU MAY HAVE, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, YOU MIGHT HAVE NUMEROUS FACILITIES OPERATED, I GUESS IT AT LEVEL F YEAH.

IF I MAY RECALL MY OLD LIFE.

SO THAT MEANS THERE'S A QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND THERE IS A, IN THE ITE JOURNAL, THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH SITTING IN TRAFFIC.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHAT ELSE YOU COULD BE DOING.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CITIES AND A FEW OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM IN OTHER PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET PAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE, WHEN AN EAST-WEST COMMUTE TO TAKE THE KIDS TO SOCCER PRACTICE, OR SOMETHING BECOMES A 45 MINUTE OR AN HOUR TRIP WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF YOUR CITY, WHEN IT USED TO BE A 15 MINUTE TRIP, AND THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS, THEN YOU GET THE COMPLAINTS AND THEN, OKAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIX IT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WIDEN THAT FACILITY? AND THIS WILL HELP IT, WON'T FILL ALL THE GAPS, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL HELP US GIVE AN IDEA IF WE'RE THAT FAR OFF THE MARK AND ACTUALLY QUANTIFYING THE, THE, THE TRUE IMPACTS AND REALLY WHAT THE WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT IN THE END, SOMEONE WILL END UP PAYING FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

ONE OF THE THING I'LL ADD IS WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER FOLKS DO THIS, THAT THEY ACTUALLY ADOPTED THIS STUDY JUST TO KNOW WHAT THEY COULD CHARGE, BUT THEN COULDN'T AGREE TO CHARGE THEM OUT.

SO THEY JUST SET THE RATE AT ZERO SO THAT IT, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS YOU COULD GET TO AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADOPT OR CHARGE ANYTHING NOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW MANY ZONES WE WANT.

I FORGOT.

THAT'S PRETTY QUICK HERE.

THAT'S INFORMED BY, BY WHAT PROJECTS ARE ON THE CIP.

I'VE RUN OUT OF TIME.

COUNSEL.

THOUGHTS.

DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? I LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY.

SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A BALANCE.

UM, AND, AND WE CAN CHANGE THE LINE TO, UH, AS FAR AS THE AREAS GO.

UM, THIS WOULD BE THE BIGGEST, WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND UPDATE IN FIVE YEARS, IF YOU START ANNEXING AT SOME POINT, IT MIGHT GET TOO BIG AND YOU HAVE TO SPLIT IT ANYWAYS.

SO THE SECOND OPTION, YOU DO HAVE SOME ROOM TO GROW INTO YOUR ETJ AND ALL THE AREAS WHERE YOU MAY NEVER ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADD SPLIT AGAIN.

WHEREAS WITH THIS OPTION THAT GREEN ONE MIGHT GET TOO BIG.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THIS.

WOULD IT BE LOGICAL TO ENSURE THAT THE PART OF TOWN WITH THE OLDEST WORST ROADS IN IT IS PART OF THE ZONE THAT IS LIKELY TO SEE THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF GROWTH? SO THAT, THAT, THAT AREA GETS MORE FUNDS FOR THE KIND OF STUFF THAT NORMALLY WOULDN'T.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING, I'LL CALL IT A DANCE OF SORTS BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS.

UM, SO IF YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS TO BE DONE, AND IT HAS A LOT OF GROWTH, THAT MEANS THE COST PER PER AMOUNT OF GROWTH IS REALLY LOW.

UH, IF YOU HAVE A TON OF PROJECTS AND NOT A LOT OF GROWTH, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY SKY HIGH NUMBER OF WHAT YOU COULD.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO TRY TO DO, IF WE CAN, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION BESIDES JUST THE TRAVEL AND THE SPLITTING UP THE GEOGRAPHICALLY IS CAN YOU TRY TO GET SOME SORT OF BALANCE? BECAUSE THE OTHER THING YOU CAN DECIDE TO DO IS YOU CAN CHARGE DIFFERENT RATES IN THESE AREAS IF YOU WANT, OR YOU CAN MAKE IT FLAT.

SO A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO TO GO WITH A FLAT RATE, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT'S REALLY A LOW IMPACT, CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH PROJECTS AND A LOT OF GROWTH, THEN THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT YOUR FLAT RATE.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AT LEAST, OR BAD ARE LOWER.

IT ISN'T THAT

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RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO, SO WE MAY HAVE A BUNCH OF OLD WORLDS THAT AREN'T ON THE CIP.

CORRECT? RIGHT.

SO, SO THEREFORE THERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, IF YOU PUT THEM IN THIS BIG ZONE OR NOT, BECAUSE SHE CAN'T, YOU CAN'T USE THE FUNDS FOR YEAH.

AND THAT'S THAT MAINTENANCE BUCKET THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT WAS THE EARLY ON.

SO, UM, REALLY QUICK.

DOES ANYBODY IN OUR ENGINEERING STAFF HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER OF YOU, YOU THINK FOR WHAT ABOUT YOU MR. FOR, UH, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW THE LINE THAT WE CAN, BUT WE CAN WORK OUT FOR HIM.

HE CAN PLAY WITH IT LATER.

FOUR SERVICE AREAS.

UH, MS. CRABTREE, I BELIEVE THERE'S NO VOTE ON THIS IS JUST INFORMAL DISCUSSION.

RIGHT? OKAY.

WE'LL BE BACK IN A FEW MONTHS BY THE WAY.

SO WE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF, HEY THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, CHAIR, MAY, CAN YOU PLEASE ADJOURN YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING? NOPE.

THE TIME IS, UH, 6 53.

THE PLAINTIFF WAS ON THE COMMISSION.

IS IT ALL RIGHT? I HAVE 6 52, BUT I'LL GO WITH 53.

WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP.

PLEASE BE IN YOUR SEATS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND WE'LL GET STARTED.

[5. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]

TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2021.

AND THE TIME IS 7:01 PM.

AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LAND OR CITY COUNCIL.

UH, PLEASE RISE.

WE WILL BE RECEIVING AN INVOCATION TONIGHT FROM PASTOR JAMES MACDONALD, FOUNDER OF DAMASCUS ROAD, CHRISTIAN CHURCH, AND ALSO FATHER OF OUR OWN COUNCIL MEMBER PLACED FOR NICOLE THOMPSON.

PRIOR TO THE INVOCATION, WE'RE GOING TO OBSERVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR RAMIRO HERNANDEZ, TIME CITY EMPLOYEE WHO PASSED AWAY THIS PAST WEEKEND OR MARROW SERVED AS THE JENN TRAIL SERVICES CREW LEADER.

HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY FOR 15 YEARS AFTER THE INVOCATION, PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

GOOD EVENING TO OUR MAYOR, TO, TO THE COUNCIL, UH, TO OUR, THIS GATHERED IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT.

GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY.

WE WANT TO JUST GO TO THE LORD, OUR GOD, AND THE WORD OF PRAYER.

AND IF YOU ALL WOULD BOW WITH ME AND BY YOUR HEADS, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND WE'LL GO TO GOD IN PRAYER.

LET US PRAY, DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER, LORD, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT JUST TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO GOOD TO US, LORD GOD, OUR FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNCIL.

WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT THEY ARE DOING HERE IN THE LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY AREA.

WE PRAY, DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER, THAT THE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE TONIGHT WILL HELP ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.

WE PRAY THAT WHETHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, OR IF THEY HAVE BEEN HERE BORN AND RAISED IN LEANDER, WE PRAY THAT THE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE WILL BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE HELP US A GOD, ALL FATHER, AS WE GO FORWARD IN THIS COMMUNITY, AS WE GO FORWARD IN THIS CITY, IN THIS STATE, IN THIS COUNTY, BLESS US IN A MIGHTY, TREMENDOUS WAY.

WE PRAY, DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER, THAT ALL THE DECISIONS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE.

AND WE'LL BLESS THE PEOPLE TREMENDOUSLY.

LORD GOD IS ONLY BY WHAT YOU DO THAT WILL BLESS US.

SO, AND THEN DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER, WE PRAY TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD BLESS ALL OF OUR ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

EVEN IN THIS AREA, OUR POLICE, OUR FIREMEN, OUR EMS, OUR DOCTORS AND LAWYERS HELP THEM.

DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER, TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE IN THIS TIME DURING THIS PANDEMIC, DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER, LORD, WE LIFT YOU UP.

WE THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A MIGHTY GOOD GOD.

WE KNOW THAT TONIGHT,

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THE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE WITH MY PLEASE, EVERYBODY, BUT OH GOD, OUR FATHER, WE PRAYED TO BE ABLE TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS THE DECISIONS WE'LL ALLOW, HELP US TO COME TOGETHER, HELP US TO WORK OUT OUR DIFFERENCES.

BLESS THIS COUNSEL AND LAW.

WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNCIL AND ALL THAT THEY'VE DONE EVEN THUS FAR THIS YEAR.

WE THANK YOU THAT THEY BROUGHT LEANDER A MIGHTY LONG WAY.

WE THANK YOU, DEAR GOD, OUR FATHER THAT AND HOPE AND PRAY THAT THROUGH THE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE LEANDRA WILL BE A CITY UPON A HILL THAT SHINES BRIGHT.

AND MAN WOMEN, BOYS, AND GIRLS, PEOPLE WILL SAY, I WANT TO LIVE IN LEANDRA.

I WANT TO RAISE MY CHILDREN THERE.

BLESS US, DEAR GOD.

OUR FATHER BLESS ALL THAT THIS COUNCIL IS DOING.

WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS THAT YOUR WILL BE DONE.

NOW, LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE ALREADY.

AND WE BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO EACH AND EVERY DAY BLESSED EACH AND EVERY PERSON BLESS EACH AND EVERY FAMILY THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT.

OH GOD, OUR FATHER, WE GIVE YOU ALL HONOR PRAISE AND GLORY.

FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

CONTINUE TO BLESS US, HELP US LEAD US AND GUIDE US IN CHRIST JESUS NAME.

WE PRAY AND ASK IT ALL.

AMEN.

AMEN OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AND THE VISIBLE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, PASTOR.

THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

[6. Roll Call.]

CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER, KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS HARDNETT MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY ROSS HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE SAID HERE, QUORUM IS PRESENT IN THE CITY COUNCILS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS ITEM SEVEN NON-AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.

AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.

ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?

[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW CONSIDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EIGHT THROUGH 21 COUNCIL.

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM TO APPROVE SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY MOVING

[22. Conduct a Public Hearing on granting non-exclusive franchises to provide temporary solid waste collection and disposal services within the City of Leander to one or more providers including Lossen Brothers, Recon Services, and Liberty Dumpster Rental. Discuss and consider action on granting non-exclusive franchises to provide temporary solid waste collection and disposal services within the City of Leander to one or more providers including Lossen Brothers, Recon Services, and Liberty Dumpster Rental.]

ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM 20 TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON GRANTING NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISES TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY OF LEANDER TO ONE OR MORE PROVIDERS, INCLUDING LAWSON BROTHERS, RECON SERVICES AND LIBERTY DUMPSTER RENTAL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.

POWER'S HERE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW.

THANK YOU, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS STATED THIS IS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF GRANTING A FRANCHISE TO THE THREE COMPANIES THAT HAVE APPLIED.

UM, SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, UH, THESE THREE COMPANIES, UM, HAVE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION AND IF APPROVED, THEY WOULD JOIN, UH, SIX OTHER COMPANIES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN ADDITION TO AL CLAWSON, WHICH HAS, UM, THE CITYWIDE FRANCHISE FOR SOLID VOICE.

BUT, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMPANIES ARE HERE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, I'M ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WE'LL BE, WILL WE BE TAKING THESE ONE BY ONE? LIKE WE DID LAST TIME.

SO WE WILL START WITH LAWSON BROTHERS.

DO THEY WANT TO COME SPEAK OR SORRY? UM, IF YOU WANT TO JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS AND THEN OKAY, THEN WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS.

SOUNDS GOOD.

UM, THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

UM, I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S SUBMITTED CARDS FOR THIS ITEM.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.

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WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING GRANTING NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISES TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY OF LEANDER TO ONE OR MORE PROVIDERS, INCLUDING LAWSON BROTHERS, RECON SERVICES AND LIBERTY DUMPSTER RENTAL.

WE'RE JUST DOING ONE AT A TIME.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE FOR LOCKING BROTHER.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

MOTION TO APPROVE RECON SERVICES.

SECOND MOTION.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE LIBERTY DUMPSTER RENTAL.

SECOND MOTION A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

I WILL HAVE ONE TO COMMENT TO SAY THAT, UM, STAFF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY ARE WORKING ON A, AN ORDINANCE TO BRING FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT THE NEXT MEETING REGARDING AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS.

SO STAY TUNED.

WE'LL HAVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR Y'ALL TO, UH, UH, EVALUATE AND GIVE US INPUT.

WONDERFUL.

I AM 27 DISCUSSION REGARDING THE ACTIVITY CENTER LOCATED ALONG RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD, INCLUDING THE INTERSECTIONS WITH HERO WAY AND RM 2243 WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY'S, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

I, 23 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.

WE'LL BE TAKING THE AGENDA OUT OF ORDER AT THIS TIME.

COUNSEL, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 27, NO OBJECTIONS.

[27. Discussion regarding the Activity Center located along Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard including the intersections with Hero Way and RM 2243; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. ]

GRIFFIN WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW GOOD EVENING.

UM, DURING OUR PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WE HAD A COUPLE OF REQUESTS FOR CHANGES FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN THIS CENTER.

UM, THIS CENTER INCLUDES, UH, RONALD REAGAN AS THE NORTHWEST STREET, AND IT INTERSECTS WITH HERO WAY AND 2243.

UM, THIS CENTER IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE HAVE, UM, REGULATIONS ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE CENTER AND HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED.

UM, IF YOU LET'S SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS EXHIBIT, UM, IT SHOWS YOU EXISTING LAND USES AND THEN, UM, CHANGES TO LAND USE BASED ON ZONING.

PART OF OUR ISSUE WE'VE SEEN WITH, UM, DEVELOPERS IS THE EDWARDS RECHARGE THEM.

THAT'S THIS, UH, LIGHT GREEN AREA IT'S KIND OF LOCATED TO THE NORTHEAST AND WE'RE GETTING, UM, A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT DEVELOPERS NOT BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP HIGHER DENSITY OR COMMERCIAL STYLE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

SO THEY'RE WANTING MORE LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CONTRARY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A MORE, A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH AND MAYBE MAKING A OVERALL CHANGE IF THAT'S THE WAY THE COUNCIL WISHES TO GO.

UM, WE HAVE A CASE PENDING ON THE AGENDA THAT WOULD INCLUDE THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE.

BASICALLY THESE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT STRIP ARE ALL CURRENTLY ZONED, INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY RURAL.

SO TODAY THEY COULD COME IN AND GET A PERMIT FOR JUST ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY WANT TO CUT IT UP INTO MULTIPLE LOTS, THAT REQUIRES THEM TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE YOUR SUBDIVISION HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE PLAN.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, UM, DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHICH WAY TO PROCEED, UM, DURING OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WE, WE DID SOME, SOME BRAINSTORMING AND, UM, I HAVE A FEW PERCENTAGES THAT SHOW THE MAKEUP OF THE CENTER.

SO THE TOP LEFT, IT SHOWS THAT 79% OF THE CENTER IS INTERIM RESIDENTIAL AND A 6% IS INSTITUTIONAL SETS AND BY THE SCHOOL.

AND THEN THE, I THINK THAT 10% IS COMMERCIAL.

SORRY, I CAN'T READ THAT ONE.

AND THEN 5% IS DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL.

WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, MAKING, UH, AN UPDATE TO THE CENTER TO CHANGE HOW THOSE PERCENTAGES WORKS, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WITH, UM, THE PROPOSAL IN CASE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, THE BOTTOM GRAPH WOULD APPLY.

SO IT'S STILL UNDER THAT THRESHOLD OF THE 30%.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO, UM, CONTEND WITH THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF HERO WAY.

THAT'LL KIND OF ENCROACH INTO THOSE PROPERTIES.

THIS EXHIBIT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO, TO SEE, UM, THE COUNTY ROAD IS THIS BLUE LINE.

IT KIND OF CUTS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

SO THE RECHARGE ZONE IS KIND OF THIS, THIS AREA, UM, UP HERE.

SO BASICALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE RECHARGE ZONE, YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT, UM, YOU CAN DEVELOP ON THE LOT.

UM, THERE, THERE ARE CASES, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE A HUGE PART OF THE CITY IS OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL.

YOU JUST HAVE TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE

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A RESTRICTION ON YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER.

SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE NEED TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT MAKE A, A DECISION ON, UM, OUR ACTIONS.

UM, SO SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE COMMISSION CAME UP WITH WAS, UM, WE, WE COULD CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE CENTER TO SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE RECHARGE ZONE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO DEVELOP IT AS THE LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL.

SO THE ACREAGE SLOTS AND, UM, THAT PERCENTAGE WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST THE TOTAL RESIDENTIAL PERMITTED IN THE CENTER.

THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS IS IF WE, IF WE CHANGE THIS, TO ALLOW EVERYTHING IN THE RECHARGE ZONE TO BE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, THAT MEANS NO ONE ELSE IN THIS CENTER CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES BASED ON THOSE, THOSE PERCENTAGES.

I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF, UM, INFORMATION, UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR I JUST HAVE AN ODD, AN ODD QUESTION, BUT HOW IS THIS TRAVIS COUNTY? IT'S WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

SO IT SAYS WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY JUST TRYING TO, YEAH.

THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IN BOTH COUNTIES.

SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT IN TRAVIS.

THIS IS WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

SO ROBIN, IN YOUR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU SAID SAN ANTONIO HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT THEY USE MOSTLY COMMERCIAL USES, I'D IMAGINE IT'S IN A DIFFERENT AREA THAN THIS.

UM, MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD CAMERON QUESTION TOO.

IS THERE, IS IT LIKELY FOR US TO HAVE COMMERCIAL USES? WELL, IT'S LIKE STONE OAK AND SAN ANTONIO.

THERE'S HUGE AREAS WHERE, UM, WHEN I, WHEN I WORKED FOR THE CITY, WE'D HAVE ZONING CASES OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE WHERE THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER.

UM, YOU END UP HAVING TO GO VERTICAL WITH USES.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO WAYS TO WORK WITH THE TCEQ.

THEY MIGHT HAVE, UM, ALTERNATIVES.

UM, I DO KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO LIKE A TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER OVER THE RECHARGE THEM BECAUSE OF THOSE LIMITS.

SO THIS MIGHT BE AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE SOME CHALLENGES.

UM, WHEN YOU LOOK UP HERE TO THE NORTHEAST, THIS IS, UH, REAGAN'S OVERLOOK.

SO IT'S, UH, A LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SMART TO SAY WE WANT, UM, LIKE HIGH RISE, HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THEM, BUT THEN YOU ALSO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS THAT HERE WE EXPANSION, DO YOU WANT LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL BACKING UP TO THAT? SO IT'S KIND OF A BALANCE OF WHAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.

UM, SO WHAT, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR IS FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE START A PUBLIC PROCESS OF NOTIFYING THESE PEOPLE TO GET THERE AND PUT ABOUT CHANGING THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND STAFF WAS THINKING, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE THE CENTER, TO ADD A STATEMENT THAT IF IT'S OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, YOU COULD DO THE LARGER LOT RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT PENALIZING.

YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND CHANGE THE PLAN.

UM, BUT WE WANTED FEEDBACK BEFORE WE STARTED ON THAT PATH.

SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.

DO WE KNOW IF THIS IS THE ONLY AREA OF TOWN THAT HAS THIS UNIQUE PROBLEM? THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS THAT ARE COVERED BY THE RECHARGE ZONE.

THIS IS THE MAIN AREA THAT HAS A CENTER OVER IT.

THE OTHER IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A CENTER OVER IT.

CORRECT.

SO LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAILS AT SHADY OAK, UM, VERY FAR EAST SIDE THAT HAS RECHARGED ZONE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, CAVES.

UM, AND THEN REAGAN'S OVERLOOK, IT HAS RECHARGED ZONE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER CENTER WITH THE RECHARGE ZONE.

SO THIS PROBLEM IS UNIQUE HERE.

I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, IT JUST WASN'T UP AT THE TOP OF THE LIST OF A CONCERN.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE SNAPPED TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT THERE.

UM, I THINK THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS ON LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL IS THE IRRIGATION BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT THE IRRIGATION ON THE LARGER LOTS TAKES UP MORE WATER THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO IF WE'RE ALLOWING THE LARGE LOT, AND THIS MIGHT BE OUT OF, OUT OF YOUR EXPERTISE, BUT DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE HOW MUCH WATER THEY WOULD DO? SO WITH OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGE LOT, LIKE A ACREAGE LOT, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DISTURB THE ACTUAL IMPERVIOUS COVER AREA, LIKE WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS GOING AND IN 10 FEET AROUND THE BOUNDARY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SCRAPE THE ENTIRE LOT AND THEN REPLACE IT WITH TURF GRASS.

UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT CAME INTO EFFECT IN 20 16, 20 17.

SO OUR NEWER SUBDIVISIONS ARE HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

UM, BUT THE, THE GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE THEM IRRIGATE THAT AREA.

GREAT.

AND THAT'S ONLY ON THE LARGER LOTS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RURAL.

NOW WHEN YOU HAVE A SMALLER LOT, IT'S ACTUALLY A FIVE FOOT DISTURBANCE ZONE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, THAT'S ALMOST THE WHOLE LOT.

CAUSE THE BACKYARD USUALLY ONLY 15 FEET.

SO YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY TIGHT.

SO WE WOULD, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT FEW FUTURE COUNCILS UNDERSTAND THIS SHOULD BE THOSE RURAL LOTS.

IF IT'S CHOSEN TO BE RIGHT.

STAFF, UM, FELT LIKE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY RURAL WOULD BE THE PERMITTED CATEGORY.

CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO COME IN AND THEN CUT IT UP INTO A BUNCH OF SMALL LOTS.

CAUSE THAT'S THE SAME AS COMMERCIAL AND GUESS HOUSING AND THEY GET A STATE LAW IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THEN WE'VE GOT ALL OF THE IRRIGATION, CORRECT? YES.

FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, SORRY, JESS, YOU WANT TO GO FOR IT? IT WAS FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.

THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

AND FROM PLANNING

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LIKE IT SEEMED LIKE THE MAJOR CONCERN THERE WAS THAT, HEY, WE JUST HAVE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOW WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, I FORGOT THE WORD THAT WAS USED, BUT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS HOTSPOT OR LIKE, YEAH.

SO WHAT TRIGGERED IT IS THIS, THIS LOT RIGHT HERE, THEY CAME IN AND DID AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HOLD ON, WE HAVE THIS EXACT SAME PROBLEM.

LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE WHOLE CENTER INSTEAD OF LITTLE PIECES.

AND SO THIS IS OUR ATTEMPT TO LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE, THIS ONE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING IT UP ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT PRIOR.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

CAUSE WE HAVE TWO CASES AFTER THIS THAT WILL IMPACT THIS, THIS CENTER.

SO ONE OF OUR CASES IS ADDING THIS PIECE OF RESIDENTIAL TO THE CENTER AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS CHANGING THE PLAN, UM, TO, UH, ALLOW FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL THERE.

IF WE ALLOWED BIG LOTS OVER THERE THAT SHOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT THE OTHER, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD AFFECT THE OTHER PROPERTY.

SO I LIKED THE STIPULATION THAT WAS PUT IN THERE ABOUT NAP COUNTING BECAUSE THAT'S A LARGE LANDMASS AND THAT WOULD BE ALL YOUR RESIDENTIAL.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT AS WE WOULD CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S TIED TO THE CENTER TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT PEOPLE THAT DO WANT TO TRY TO DO THE COMMERCIAL CLOSER TO THE HERO WAY EXPANSION.

SO ADD THAT AS AN OPTION, JUST OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE.

AND THEN THE COMMISSION WANTED TO ALSO ADD LANGUAGE STATING THAT THAT WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST THAT 30% LIMIT IN THE CENTER.

I'M AGREEABLE COUNCILOR AND MICHELLE, ARE YOU GOT SOMETHING? I THINK WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS.

I THINK I HAVE WHAT I NEED.

SO WHAT STAFF WILL DO IS WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT SECTOR AND GET STARTED.

[24. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Comprehensive Plan Case 21-CPA-005 to amend the Comprehensive Plan land use category from Activity Center to Neighborhood Residential on one (1) parcel of land approximately 17.302 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032337; and generally located 1,050 feet ± to the north east of the intersection of Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard and CR 264, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-CPA-005 as described above.]

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

ITEM 24, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE 21, CPA 0 0 5.

TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY FROM ACTIVITY CENTER TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 17.302 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

GRIFFIN IS STILL HERE.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE HAMPTON PARK, UM, UH, STATES.

UM, THIS IS THIS REALLY.

SO WE JUST DISCUSSED, UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN AN ACTIVITY CENTER.

THEY WANT TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY AND DIVIDED INTO MULTIPLE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL LOTS.

SO THAT'S MULTIPLE ACREAGE SLOTS AND TO DO SO, THEY HAVE TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

UM, THEY WILL BE FOLLOWING THIS WITH A CONCEPT PLANS THAT'LL BE COMING, UM, I BELIEVE IN A MONTH TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

UM, AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

NOPE.

I WILL CALL THEM SPEAKERS WITH SUBMITTED CARDS.

READ ANY POSITIONS RECEIVED AND ASK IF ANYONE OH YES.

IT'S ANDREA BAILEY ORTIZ.

I DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

LIKE FINANCIAL OR LIKE ECONOMIC, UM, ASPECTS WITHIN THE CITY OF LAND OR, UM, WE COULD USE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER, UM, OUR, UM, THE ASPECTS OF THE CITY OF LEANDER, BUT ALSO, UM, WE NEED TO CONTEND WITH THE EFFECTS OF THAT.

UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

PLEASE.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TO START.

HI.

UM, MY NAME IS ANDREA BAILEY ORTIZ.

I LIVE IN, UM, 10 19 HILL ROSE DRIVE, LANDER, TEXAS.

SO NATE 6, 4 1.

UM, SO I INITIALLY WAS, UM, AGAINST THIS AMENDMENT.

UM, NOT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I DON'T POST THE, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE, AND ON THE CONTRARY, I, I THINK WE'RE IN DARN NEAR HOUSING, HOWEVER, UM, IN THE PLANET AND THE PLANNING ANALYSIS, IT SAID, UH, THAT THE GOAL WAS MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING AFFORDABILITY AND DENSITY IN HEALTHY MARKET.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT WILL BE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO JUST DO SINGLE HOMES OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UM, AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN LEANDRA RAISED A DEVELOPMENT CITY.

UM, I THINK IT WILL, WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, MORE OF A NEW TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, LIKE MIXED, UM, AND PROMOTE BLOOD TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO LIKE IMPROVE, UH, HOUSING, BUT ALSO, UM, COMMERCIAL.

SO, UM, BUT UH, SHE EXPLAINED IT, UM, THAT AREA IN PARTICULAR IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION.

UM, SO, UM, AND THEN I JUST, I WAS READING THE PLANNING ANALYSIS AND IT SAYS THAT, UM, BASED ON THE GOAL, UM, HOW WOULD WE DO TO IMPROVE AFFORDABILITY AND DIVERSITY IN, BY USING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? THAT WILL BE MY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY I THINK, BUT, UM, IF WE USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, LIKE, UM, MIX USE THAT IMPROVES WALKABILITY, BUT ALSO

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SO, UM, HOW, WHA WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN ORDER TO LIKE MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF THAT? THAT, THAT WILL BE MY QUESTION.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO WE CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT.

UM, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21, CPA 0 0 5 AS DESCRIBED EARLIER.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM NUMBER 25 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 2 7.

[25. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-027 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to GC-2-B (General Commercial) and SFT-2-B (Single-Family Townhouse) on thirteen (13) parcels of land approximately 183.415 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R555235, R031351, R031347, R462377, R555246, R031298, R031398, R473651, R555247, R031280, R031279, R031286, and R031297; and more commonly known as 3345, 3549, 3919, & 3957 Hero Way, 8330 RR 2243, and 17501 Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-027 as described above.]

TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR, ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO GC TO BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND SFT TO BE SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE ON 13 PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 183.415 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

WELCOME BACK EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING GRIFFIN.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF, UM, HEROINE AND RONALD REAGAN.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MIXTURE OF ZONING DISTRICTS.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE GC TO BE, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION.

AND THEN ON THE FAR WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CENTER THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR A SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, THIS, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, DURING THEIR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, UM, THE COMMISSION DID MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.

IT WAS A THREE, TWO VOTES, UM, UH, TWO COMMISSIONERS OPPOSING.

UM, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, UM, THIS CENTER AND THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE CENTER.

UM, I'VE, I FEEL LIKE THAT THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING TO THE CENTER WILL HELP, UM, EASE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THIS TAKING UP THE MAJORITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, WITH THIS, THIS REQUEST, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS A, AN ALLOWANCE FOR HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED IN THE CENTER.

IT GIVES THEM UP TO 30%.

IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL.

SO THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ADDING MORE, MORE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE AREA.

UM, BUT THAT, I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT, UM, RESTAURANTS, UM, HOTELS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

THANK YOU, ROBIN ROBIN, CAN YOU GIVE ME MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME CONSIDERATION FOR THIS, UH, ITEM TONIGHT.

UM, I'M GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE WALKTHROUGH ON A PRESENTATION.

THIS IS BASED ON THE, THE OTHER HEARINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD.

UM, AND SO I'M HOPING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS IN ADVANCE.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ALL TOGETHER RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT.

WE ARE, UH, OPEN TO HEAR THE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, LET ME JUST START WALKING THROUGH THE EXISTING ZONING, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALL GREEN, IT'S ALL RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S SOME, UH, RESIDENTIAL DENSER, MORE DENSE.

THAT'S ALREADY ZONED RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS PREVIOUSLY, UH, ZONE YEARS AGO.

AND THEN IT WAS ULTIMATELY ANNEXED AND, AND BROUGHT IN AS KIND OF A RURAL RESIDENTIAL SITUATION.

OUR PROPOSED ZONING AS, AS ROBIN, UH, ALREADY REVEALED IS A GC AND SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE.

UH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.

IT'S BETTER EXEMPLIFIED IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE.

SO THIS IS OVERLAY OUR PROPOSED ZONING, WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

AND, UH, SO WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING HERE IS CREATING A, UH, LET ME SEE, THERE WE GO CREATING A, A HARD CORNER PER SE, UH, WHERE WE'VE GOT A NICE CHUNK OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

UH, OUR, MY APPLICANT, DR.

MAHINDRA AND MAHINDRA FAMILY ALSO OWNS THIS PIECE DOWN HERE AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING, THIS IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL DOWN HERE.

UM, BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS BRING IN SOME RESIDENTIAL ASPECT RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND THEN THIS TRANSITIONS INTO MORE OF AN OFFICE BUILDING TYPE, UM, PRODUCT.

AND SO YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR,

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AND THEN OVER HERE, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE BUSINESS, UH, OFFICE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WHAT I DID WAS I LOOKED AT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND HERE IT IS, IT'S, UH, IT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, UH, GOVERNED BY THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

AND SO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER, THEY HAVE THIS IMAGE AND, YOU KNOW, I LIVE REALLY CLOSE TO THIS INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE.

AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS LOTS OF, UH, COMMERCIAL ASPECTS HERE.

AND THEN RIGHT BACK INTO HERE AS A RESIDENTIAL ASPECT, THAT'S ALL ACTUALLY APARTMENTS, BUT THESE OVER HERE ARE TOWNHOUSES.

SO THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW IT PROXIMITY TO THE WHOLE CENTER IS IT'S JUST BEHIND IT KIND OF OFF THE INTERSECTION.

AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING WITH OUR PROJECT.

UM, ROBIN ALREADY ALLUDED OR ACTUALLY RECOVERED.

UM, THE GOAL, THE GOAL OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER NODE IS TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY 30% RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S RIGHT.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE.

UM, I WANTED TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT THIS PROJECT, THIS IS FROM YOUR ACTUAL, UH, IN THE, IN MY PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THEY SAID, NO, THIS IS NOT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THAT THAT IMAGE DOESN'T EXIST.

AND I LOOKED AT IT TODAY, IT'S IT'S RIGHT THERE.

IT'S STILL IN THERE.

THIS IS OUR CORNER.

THIS IS THE CORNER.

THE, THAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DEVELOP RIGHT NOW.

AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE, HERE'S SOME TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.

IT DOESN'T CON COME DOWN, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF BEHIND AGAIN, THE HARD CORNER PER SE, UH, COMMERCIAL ASPECTS.

WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS HARD CORNER IS, NEEDS TO BE DEEPER.

IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, MORE MASKS, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE HERO WAY EXPANSION CAUSE W W THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO PULL AWAY, UM, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DID WE PICK THAT LOCATION? SO THE LOCATION WAS PICKED, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A, UH, A DEFINED, UH, A TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT THROUGH HERE.

UM, IT'S CALLED RIDGE MAR ON YOUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, RICH MAR ROAD.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE SAID WAS, WELL, LET'S, LET'S MAKE THAT THIS HARD EDGE ON THIS SIDE.

AND THEN THAT'S A NICE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE HARD CORNER COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS THAT ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT, THAT CENTER ROADWAY, UM, WE'RE AWARE OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS JUST VOTED FOR.

SO IT JUST NOW CHANGED NOW HAPPENED.

AND SO THE QUESTION CAME UP, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WITH RESPECT TO THE PERCENTAGES? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? AND, UH, THE PERCENTAGE OF THIS WHOLE NODE RIGHT HERE.

SO THIS, THIS WHOLE NODE RIGHT HERE, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS 7% AND THAT'S BY LAND AREA.

AND THAT INCLUDES ALL OF IT, OBVIOUSLY.

SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SCHOOL IN THE FUTURE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE RIGHT AWAY, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW.

WE KNOW THIS CIRCLE AND WE KNOW THE AREAS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE, WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO IN OUR COMMERCIAL PART IS 12%.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT OF THE WHOLE THING.

AND THAT'S, AFTER YOU TAKE OUT THE PIECE THAT YOU, YOU JUST TOOK OUT NOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO EVEN, EVEN OUR DEVELOPMENT IS LESS THAN 30%.

SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ZONING, WHERE WE'RE UNDERNEATH THE WHOLE NODE GOAL, UM, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A BIG CONCERN ABOUT REX, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, UH, EVERYTHING, ALL OF THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL MAJOR CONCERN.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IS RIDGE MY ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.

WE THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL A PRETTY GOOD BACKBONE, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, FEEDING IT TO THE OTHER ROADS, BUT ALSO WE PAID HAVING TO BUILD OUR OWN ROAD NETWORK.

AND SO THE HERE'S JUST THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF WHAT WE WILL BE PROPOSING.

THIS ONE, OF COURSE, THE RIDGE MARK WILL HAVE TO BE PUT IN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, ROADS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT IN.

AND THEN THIS ROAD IS ACTUALLY, UH, PLANNED TO GO SOMEDAY OVER, OVER TO, AS IT CALLED RAIDER RAIDER WAY.

I THINK IT'S RIGHT AWAY.

UM, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WATER.

SO WATER, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT WATER LINE.

THAT'S ON THE, ON THE, UH, EAST BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WATERLINES A 42 INCH WATER LINE.

SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE BIG ENOUGH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN.

WE WILL HAVE TO BRING THAT WATER LINE INTO, WE WILL HAVE TO BRING WATER IMPROVEMENTS INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT TO, TO PROVIDE WATER SERVICES TO THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.

AND, UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY IN YOUR WATER SUPPLY MASTER PLAN, AND IT WAS UPDATED IN 2021, JUST NOT LONG AGO.

AND IT WAS BROUGHT INTO, UM, THE

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PLAN.

SO IT'S, IT'S PLANNED TO BE HERE.

UM, WASTEWATER IS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.

UH, THE MAHINDRA FAMILY DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AND WATER, THE WASTEWATER LINE EXISTS.

SO IT'S AVAILABLE AND READY TO GO.

A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WHERE'S, THE AWKWARD AQUIFER ZONE.

UM, SO, UM, WE'RE INTO CONTRIBUTING ZONE, SO WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR WATER QUALITY CONTROLS.

UM, AND WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT IN, UM, CONCEPTUALLY IN A, UM, IN A NATURAL WAY, SOMETHING THAT IT HAS SOMEWHAT OF AN AMENITY TO IT.

I LIKE TO USE A WET PONDS FOR MY DESIGNS.

UM, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WATER EVAPORATION AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE A, AN IDEA OR A FIRM PLAN AT THIS POINT.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL THAT GOES AROUND IT, THOSE SORT OF THINGS, BUT THESE DETAILS ARE DOWN THE LINE.

BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO THE PUBLIC IS THAT WE HAVE TO CLEAN THIS WATER AND WE WILL CLEAN THIS WATER.

SO THE FIRST FLUSH OF WATER WILL BE BROUGHT INTO QUALITY CONTROLS AND THOSE WATER QUALITY CONTROLS WILL REMOVE TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS AND OTHER POLLUTANTS BEFORE IT'S RELEASED DOWN INTO THE DOWNSTREAM WATER SYSTEM.

WE, UM, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO WAS NOTIFIED AND, UH, I DO APOLOGIZE.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, A YOUNG, A YOUNG LADY, OR HERE WOULD JUST RAISE HER HAND.

SHE CAME TO MY OFFICE, UH, TONIGHT THINKING THAT THE MEETING WAS AT MY OFFICE.

AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY ON, ON THAT NOTIFICATION, IT HAS THE APPLICANT'S ADDRESS AND THAT'S OUR ADDRESS.

SO, BUT WE DID NOTIFY EVERYBODY WITHIN 300 FEET, UM, THROUGH THE CITY SYSTEM.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE NOTIFIED EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 FEET WITH CERTIFIED LETTERS.

AND ALSO THE MAHINDRA HAS HAD PERSONALLY CONTACTED THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTACT, UH, THAT THEY KNOW.

SO BIG QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE ZONING.

I MEAN, ARE YOU REALLY GONNA DO SOMETHING? I MEAN, WE'RE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT CONCEPTS AND OUR IDEAS OF, WELL WHAT'S NEXT IS, UH, THE FIRST MAJOR, UH, CO-BRAND HOTEL THAT'S, UH, BRANDED NATIONWIDE, OR ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD IS GOING TO, THEY ALREADY HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT, BUT OF COURSE WE NEED TO ADVANCE THE BALL AND GET, UH, AND GET THE PROJECT MOVING BEFORE IT ACTUALLY CAN BE HERE.

UM, SOME PEOPLE WOULD ASK THE QUESTION WE HEARD ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE HOSPITAL OR THE SURGICAL CENTER AND WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT.

UM, WELL, WE'RE PLEASED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, DR.

MAHINDRA HAS STARTED, UM, DEVELOPING THAT CORNER, WHICH IS AT, UH, 22, 22, 22 43, AND RONALD REAGAN.

AND IT WILL BE A VERTICAL MIXED USE, UM, MEDICAL CENTER, MEDICAL, MEDICAL SERV SURGICAL CENTER, IT'LL OFFER A HIGH LEVEL OF MEDICAL SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE IN THE LEANDER AREA.

YOU HAVE TO GO OTHER PLACES, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET ALL YOUR IMAGING DONE HERE.

YOU CAN'T ALL GO.

SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ALL ARE, BUT THEY'RE THERE, BUT THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, AND THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ACTIVE.

IT'S GOING TO BE MIXED WITH SOME RETAIL ON THE FIRST LEVEL.

AND THERE'S GOING TO HAVE OFFICES, MEDICAL OFFICES ABOVE THAT AND MEDICAL MEDICAL DAY SURGERY, UH, EVENTS.

UM, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS THAT DR.

HENDRA HAS HERE AS WELL.

AGAIN, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, PROHIBIT US FROM BEING ABLE TO BRING, UH, SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS TO LEANDER.

UM, THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IN THIS MAJOR NODE.

AND WE THINK THAT, UH, BRINGING THE SOLID GROUND OF THE HOTEL AND THERE'S GOING TO BE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.

UM, WE JUST HEARD A YOUNG LADY TALK ABOUT HOW WE REALLY DO NEED TO BRING SOME MIX OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS.

ONE OF YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, PARAGRAPHS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE MISSING MIDDLE.

AND I WOULD ARGUE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO MIDDLE IT'S, IT'S ALL UP HERE.

I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BUY MY HOUSE TODAY.

IF SOMEBODY SAID, HERE'S THIS HOUSE, DO YOU WANT TO BUY IT? I WOULDN'T BUY IT.

YEAH, I CAN'T AFFORD IT.

SO, UM, I, AGAIN, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU AND, AND WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, DISCUSS, UH, WHAT, WHAT MODIFICATIONS WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE.

UM, I, I DON'T, I OBJECT TO IT BEING CALLED RIDGE MAR ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH OUR LITTLE ROAD IS NOW A COUNTY ROAD, IT CANNOT HANDLE, IT'S NOT BUILT TO HANDLE BIG TRUCKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

I'D LOVE A HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

I HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUBMITTED CARDS, SO PLEASE COME FORWARD 80 PAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I'M ED PAIN.

AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 4, A RIDGE MY ROAD, UH, IN LEANDER.

AND MY BIG CONCERN IS, IS YOU'RE NAMING ACROSS RIDGE MARR ROAD.

OUR DEVELOPMENT HAS RIDGE MAR ROAD.

SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY?

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AND PLUS IT'S A B A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND IT'S A VERY BAD LITTLE ROAD TO BEGIN WITH.

SO, UH, I DO OBJECT TO THE, UH, BEING CALLED RIDGE MY ROAD IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

AND IS THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT FROM 20 TO 43? OR IS THERE GOING, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UM, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT ON THE MAP THAT, THAT, THAT I SAW ANYWAY.

AND, UM, ANOTHER CONCERN IS, UM, THE WATER, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, A SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE AND THEY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT DOES GO INTO BRUSHY CREEK, WHICH RUNS RIGHT ACROSS OUR, OUR FRONT, UH, OF OUR, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IS THERE PLANS FOR ANOTHER WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND HOW, HOW HAS ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING? UH, HOW CAN THAT HANDLE ALL OF, ALL OF THE SEWAGE TREATMENT AND, AND, UM, ANOTHER CONCERN IS, IS I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A BIG WATER LINE COMING, BUT WHERE IS THE WATER GOING TO COME FROM? I'VE ALREADY BEEN ASKING OUR WATER TO CONSERVE WATER.

SO IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR FOR US OLDIES TOO, TO HAVE TO REALLY CONSERVE.

AND THEN OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE GIVEN OUT, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CAN HAVE ALL THE WATER THEY WANT.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO COME FROM.

UM, BUT THE MAIN THING FOR, FOR ME RIGHT NOW IS, IS THE RIDGE MAR ROAD.

UM, AND HOW IS THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING TO IMPACT OUR DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT'S FINISHED? I GUESS THAT'S IT.

UP NEXT.

OF VERY FANCY HANDWRITING.

IS IT TIGHTLY A SUMMERFIELD? I SAID, OKAY, SO SHE'S NOT SPEAKING.

DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.

MA'AM.

YOU'LL JUST SPEAK, SORRY.

YOU'LL JUST SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE.

MY NAME IS TYLER SUMMERFIELD.

I LIVE AT 1 0 1 WINDEMERE WEST LEANDER.

MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON RIDGE ROAD.

IT GOES ACROSS BRUSHY CREEK.

I OWN THAT TOO.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WORRY ABOUT, WE HAVE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN OUR PROPERTY.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND THEY HAVE ACREAGE, AND I WORRY ABOUT THE IMPACT WITH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T WANT TO LOSE WHAT VALUE I'VE HAD.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1980, AND I ENJOY THE WILDLIFE, THE SKUNKS, WHAT THE DEER, THE FOXES.

I ENJOY EVERYTHING THAT IS RURAL IN THE AREA COMING FROM CALIFORNIA.

THIS IS A BLESSING.

SO I WANT TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO PROTECT PART OF THIS.

AND I WORRY ABOUT RICH MY ROAD.

IF THE ROAD IS SO NARROW THERE'S TIMES, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING 30 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH MOST PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT, THEY RUN YOU OFF THE ROAD NEARLY.

IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD, AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR TWO PEOPLE TO GO ON.

IT'S CURVY AND EVERYTHING.

AND TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC ON IT WOULD BE A REAL DISGRACE AND THEY SPEED ANYWAY.

BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF OUR VALUE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.

THAT'S EVERYBODY.

I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION ON, ON THE ITEM REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 27, AS DESCRIBED EARLIER.

COUNSEL, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LETTER OF INTENT.

YOU YOU'RE EARNED.

SORRY THAT YOU MENTIONED.

UM, WHEN WAS THAT? HOW RECENT IS THAT?

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UH, DR.

MAHINDRA, DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? I'M NOT PRIVY TO THE DATE.

AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK, DO YOU HAVE ONE FOR, UM, THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING? OKAY.

I THINK HE'S, HE'S TAKING A LOOK AT IT.

SO IT'S JUNE 24TH OF THIS YEAR.

YEAH, THIS WAS WHEN WE, WHEN WE MADE APPLICATION.

AND THEN ARE THERE ADDITIONAL ONES FOR THE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU SO ON THE HARD CORNER AT FIRST GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, UH, AT 2243 AND RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD, UH, WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED, UM, UH, FOR A DEVELOPMENT SITE PERMIT FOR THAT, UH, UH, THE SURGICAL FACILITY, UH, WITH RETAIL.

SO OUR PLAN IS OVER THERE HAVING A THREE BUILDING COMPLEX, AND IT WILL BE AROUND 50,000 SQUARE FEET, APPROXIMATELY IN DENSITY.

AND ABOUT 10 TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.

WE HOPE TO ATTRACT SOME BARS AND RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN ACTIVATED LIFESTYLE BUILDING TWO AND THREE WILL BE A COMBINATION OF MOSTLY MEDICAL OFFICE AND OFFICE.

AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN ACTIVATE THE GROUND FLOOR AS RETAIL AS WELL IN THE REMAINING BUILDINGS.

SO WHY, WHY WE'RE DOING THAT THOUGH, TO ROB ROBIN, THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO US AS WELL.

SO HOW WAS IT SUBMITTED TO US? I'M TELLING YOU THAT? YEAH, THERE'S TWO THINGS.

LETTER OF INTENT WAS THERE.

AND THEN THERE WAS THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT YOU WERE DEVELOPING THE SURGICENTER WITH THE RE MIXED USE.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED? I KNOW THAT WAS WHETHER IT COULD GO HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE EXCITED TO HEAR IF IT WAS RECEIVED APPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTIES UP HERE, BUT I HAVEN'T ON THAT SITE YET.

DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT WAS TURNED IN? DOWN, DOWN SOUTH? KEEP ADVANCING ONE MORE.

IF I CAN ADDRESS, I JUST HAVEN'T GOT THOSE IN.

GOOD QUESTION.

UM, IT HAS, IT'S STILL IN DESIGN PHASE RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO, SO FAR THEY'VE GOT THE SURVEY DONE.

THEY'RE DOING THE LAND PLANNING, THEY GOT THE ARCHITECTURALS, UH, WORKING ON IT.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE.

IT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU AT THIS POINT.

THIS, THIS, THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR ZONING CASE.

THIS IS NO, BUT IT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP.

IT WAS USED IN YOUR EAR AND WAS USED IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN, SORRY, BUT YOU JUST SAID IT WAS SUBMITTED TO OUR CITY.

SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE, UH, HIRED, UM, STUDIO WADE, ARCHITECTS, WHICH IS THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL GROUP THAT HAS BEEN WITH, UM, DESIGNING THE APPLE CAMPUS.

WE'VE HIRED PAVED DAWSON, WHICH IS A CIVIL FIRM.

AND, UH, WE'VE HIRED A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AS WELL, WHICH IS DRIFTWOOD COMMERCIAL.

AND, UM, I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THE D DEVELOPMENT SITE PERMIT, BUT WE, WE, UM, THE CITY HAS BEEN INTERACTING WITH, UH, OUR CIVIL TECH STOCK, AS WELL AS, UM, UM, THE SURVEY FOR THE TREES.

SO IT IS A MATTER OF TIME.

WE ARE GOING TO BE REQUESTING, UM, A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, DEPENDING ON WHENEVER THE FORMALITIES ARE CLEARED WITH THE CITY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SUBMIT THIS TO THE CITY FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU'D LIKE, MINE WAS, MINE WAS JUST THE OP MINE WAS MINE.

WASN'T THE CONCERN THERE.

IT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT, THAT WAS, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

PARDON ME, SIR.

MA'AM IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE WERE OKAY WITH NOT HAVING THE ROAD NAME RIDGE MAR DRIVE.

AND SO, YEAH.

AND IF WE WANT TO ADJUST THAT TOO, SO I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE DRIVING DOWN YOUR STREET FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.

IT A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, HOW DO I BACK UP? OH, NO.

OH YEAH.

I JUST WANT YOU TO GET, I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THEIR HERD IS ABOUT TO, BUT THERE WAS ONE MAJOR THING IN THERE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANTS HERE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS AS A CITY, AS FAR AS DELIVERING THE WATER.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE KEPT IT.

BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION, WE, WE PURPOSELY MODIFIED IN THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE PURPOSELY MOVED THAT ARTERIAL AWAY FROM A HARD CONNECTION FROM BRIDGE MAR SO THAT THERE WAS NOT THE INCENTIVE FOR SOMEBODY TO DO A DRIVE THROUGH OUR, THROUGH WE, WE DISJOINTED THOSE INTERSECTIONS ON, ON PURPOSE TO, TO, UH, I GUESS, DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM MAKING THAT AS A, UH, A STRAIGHT DRIVE-THROUGH.

DID YOU HAVE SOME SURE.

SO ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE, THE SHIP, THE FORT TO KEEP LAND OR COUNTRY

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I WOULD HAVE KEPT IT AS REAL AS POSSIBLE.

THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AND WE'VE GROWN TO NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

WE HAVE TO GET COMMERCIAL TO CATCH UP.

UM, A LOT OF HOUSING COULD GO IN THIS AREA AND ALMOST DID GO IN THIS AREA.

SO HOW MANY UNITS, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE COUNT OF 530? SO THAT'S ALMOST WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, ALMOST 3000.

SO, UM, AND THAT WAS A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT BATTLE TOO.

UM, SO I HEAR THE LAND OWNERS HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, RIGHT? AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD HAVE KEPT IT COUNTRY I'D HAVE KEPT IT FARMLAND, BUT THAT SHIP HAS GONE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS KEEP DENSITY DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS FOR THE WATER, WHEN YOU USE THAT NASTY WORD PHASING, RIGHT.

YOU'RE ACCEPTABLE TO SOME OF THE FADING, RIGHT? AND SO ONE IT'S FAIR BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING NOT ONLY OUR IDENTITY, BUT ALSO OUR RESIDENTIAL NOW FOR SOME SORT OF AGENT NOW THE TOWNHOMES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE IRRIGATION THAT, UM, THAT SINGLE RESIDENT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WILL HAVE, SO WILL BE DIFFERENT TYPE OF BEIJING.

BUT WHAT IS, UH, WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THE BEIJING? CAUSE WE DO HAVE A WATER PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE A WATER PROBLEM PROBABLY TILL ABOUT 20, 28, 20, 29.

SO WE HAD TO BE RESPONSIBLE AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WORD DOES NOT BUTTON THE FLOOD GATES, BUT NO PUN INTENDED BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THE WATER LINES IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO PUSH THAT WATER WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SO WHAT NUMBER, I GUESS I'LL, UH, I'LL LET YOU ADDRESS THIS.

DR.

HINT, DR.

MANDARIN I'LL APPROACH THE MUMMY HERE.

I'LL I'LL CONFER WITH DR.

MAHINDRA IN THIS CENTER IN A SECOND.

HOWEVER, I DO WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE PHASING IT'S IF WE PUT A PHASING ON IT WITH RESPECT TO A TIMELINE THAT IS STILL NOT CONNECTED TO THE PROBLEM.

SO THE PROBLEM IS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND THE, AND THEIR CAPACITY.

SO, AND THAT, THAT WILL BE RESOLVED SOMEDAY BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING, YOU'RE MAKING PLANTS.

OH, OKAY.

SO YOU DO HAVE A, A DATE OR A TIME.

BUT AS A COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS, WE JUST SAID, GO GO.

BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD WE HAD, WE HAD DELIVERED CAPACITY WAS THAT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT CORRECT.

SO WE'RE ASKING EVERYBODY NOW FOR PHASING IN THE NORMAL PHASING FOR WHAT YOU CAN BUILD, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, YOU CAN BUILD EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YOUR SIOP.

RIGHT? YOU CAN, YOU CAN ONLY GET A CEO FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER YEAR.

AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I'M ASKING FOR.

AND WHAT'S THE YEAR YOU SAID AGAIN, WHENEVER YOU START HAMMERING NAILS PER YEAR, LOOK CONSERVATIVELY 20, 28, 20, 29.

BUT THAT'S, IF EVERYTHING GOES PERFECTLY, RIGHT.

AND SO IMAGINE BUILDING YOUR PRODUCT AND THEN YOUR IS GOING TO TURN ON THE TAB AND NOTHING COMES OUT.

I SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

WE CAN'T STOP IT.

AND TO Y'ALL'S CONCERN, WE CAN'T STOP DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE STILL HAD TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

WE HAD TO PAY FOR ROADS.

WE, WE JUST CAN'T CUT OFF DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN'T SAY NO MORE.

AND SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S THE ROCK AND THE HARD PLACE THAT WE'RE IN.

BUT AGAIN, I KEEP THE CITY COUNTRY AS COUNTRY QB.

DO THAT BY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GONE.

THAT'S GONE.

SO NOW WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

AND SO IF IT'S 300, IF IT'S THREE 50 AND YOU SAID, HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS KENYA SPLIT THAT IN HALF? IS THAT DOABLE? SPLIT THEM IN HALF FOR A YEAR, HALF AND HALF? NO, THIS RATHER THAN YOU AND I TRYING TO DO THAT RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.

I THINK I LIKE LETTING THE PROFESSIONALS HERE AND THE PROFESSIONALS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY OFFICE COMMUNICATE CLEARLY ABOUT THOSE THINGS TO SEE WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS RATHER THAN US.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT RIGHT.

LIKE THE OTHER APPLICANTS COMING BACK TONIGHT TO THEIR SEPARATE DEAL HERE, BUT WE ASKED THEM TO DO SOMETHING.

THEY WENT BACK TO THE CITY, THEY KIND OF IRON SOME THINGS OUT AND MADE IT WORK BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THE DEAL DONE.

WE LIKE THIS MUCH, THIS IS MUCH MORE PALATABLE SITUATION FOR OUR CITY THAN EVEN THE LAST ONE, EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER ONE LOOKED GREAT TOO.

UM, SO I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING.

THAT'S ALL.

SO IF, IF WE CHANGE THE INDU STREET ZONING HERE, DO WE EVEN HAVE THE OPTION OF THE PHASING OR WOULD THIS WHOLE PROJECT, BECAUSE ALL THE THINGS ARE BEING INCLUDED.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ANY OF THEM, BUT WOULD IT BE BETTER OFF PUTTING A PUD SO THAT WE CAN WRITE SOME OF THAT IN THE PUTNAM? SO FOR WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PHASING, WE COULD

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AND WHAT WE COULD DO IS WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND THEIR SECOND READING TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT AND A PHASING PLAN CURRENTLY WE'RE ON TRACK TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.

SO WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PUSH IT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

CAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THAT TOGETHER BY THAT MEETING.

AND THEN ALL THE, THE, THE GC PARTS BY THAT STREET ZONING, THEN IT'S WHATEVER BUILT IN THAT ZONING CATEGORY.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO, UM, GENERAL COMMERCIAL ALLOWS FOR A MIXTURE OF, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES.

UM, I THINK THE, THE ONE USE THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH WITH WHAT THEY'RE DESCRIBING WOULD BE LIKE THE OFFICE WAREHOUSE THAT'S WHEN THAT'S ALLOWED, UM, THINGS LIKE, UH, FUNERAL HOMES ASSISTED LIVING.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE, UM, THERE'S ZONING WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR A GAS STATION.

SO IT IS ONE THAT, THAT LEANS MORE TOWARDS THE RETAIL AND MEDICAL PART OF IT.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT RISK THAT IT COULD BE OFFICE WAREHOUSE.

WOULD YOU ALSO BE ABLE TO ADD A PLAN FOR WATER CONSERVATION? LIKE WE WERE DISCUSSING BEFORE MORE INTO THE ZONING AND THAT WOULD BECOME A, LIKE, WE COULD DO A MINOR PUD SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH MASON TRACT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK CAUSE IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

I HAD A QUESTION ACTUALLY ABOUT THAT SLIDE AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON OR I THINK YOU MIGHT BE THOUGH, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP AND IT'S GOT THAT STRIP OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT STRIP OF COMMERCIAL ALONG THE FRONT, UM, LET ME PULL THAT UP.

SO IN FRONT OF THE TOWNHOUSES, THERE'S A STRIP OF COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD MIGHT BE GOING RIGHT THROUGH IT.

DO WE KNOW THE SIZE OF THAT STRIP OF COMMERCIAL VERSUS THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S NEEDED? SO THE COMMERCIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S FOLLOWING THE LATEST TRIP ANNEXATION.

SO IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 500 FEET DEEP FROM HERE AWAY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ROAD WITS, YOU KNOW THAT ONE.

UM, SO IT'D BE RASA SAM, WE'LL BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE DEPTH OF THAT COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT COMMERCIAL WON'T EVEN BE THERE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A HARD PASS FOR ME.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, WHATEVER COMES HERE, PLANNING AHEAD FOR THIS BUILD-OUT BECAUSE WE KNOW FULL WELL THAT THIS BUILD-OUT IS COMING AND YOU'RE TALKING TO 2243.

BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS THERE WON'T BE ANY COMMERCIAL THERE.

THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY UP AGAINST 2243.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT OR MAKE A CHANGE OR DO YOU WANT US TO JUST ROLL WITH WHAT YOU'VE PUT IN FRONT OF US? YEAH, CERTAINLY WE'RE FLEXIBLE TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE IDEAS ON THIS, COME BACK TO YOU.

AND AFTER WE CONFER WITH STAFF, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS AND, AND IT'S A VALID CONCERN, UM, BECAUSE ONCE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TAKEN, UM, AND THERE WOULD BE A STRIP OF COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE BASIC LAND DEVELOPMENT.

SO YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT.

UM, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION AND UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, YOU SAID THAT THE RESIDENTIAL IS ABOUT 30% OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

UM, BUT SOMEWHERE IN OUR PACKET, I REMEMBER IT SAID IT WAS 90 SOMETHING.

THANK YOU 92 ACRES AND IT WAS LIKE 82 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL.

AND NOW I CAN'T FIND THAT.

SO CAN YOU PLEASE DEFINE FOR US EXACTLY WHAT THE ACREAGE IS? WAS IT 94? THANK YOU.

UM, WELL THIS IS THE, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE.

I DON'T KNOW.

ARE WE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE? MAYBE I'M HAVE AN ERROR.

SO IN 99, THERE IT IS.

IT'S ON OUR IT'S ON THE PLANNING ANALYSIS.

IT SAYS THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 82 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND 94 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES.

SO I WANT TO VERIFY WHAT IT IS EXACTLY.

SO THE WHOOP, OKAY.

I'M LEARNING.

THE RED IS 82.29 ACRES.

AND I MEAN, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL AND THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE IS 49.41.

THIS IS ONLY IN THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

OH, I'M SORRY.

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RIGHT? OKAY.

SO THAT ACREAGE WAS TRIMMED OFF HERE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S BEEN TRIMMED OFF, BUT EVERYTHING TURNED OFF AS COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT'S A TYPO ON OURS.

UM, MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RAIDER WAY.

IS YOUR PROJECT GOING UP TO WHERE RIGHT AWAY IT IS NOT.

UM, YEAH.

SO ON YOUR FUTURE LAND, YOU, I MEAN YOUR FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND I ACTUALLY WENT PAST IT.

THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.

SO, UM, IN YELLOW IS A PROPOSED COLLECTOR AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSAL IT'S IT'S YELLOW.

SO IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THAT PROPOSED COLLECTOR IS CONNECTING RIDGE MAR, WHICH WE WILL NOT NAME RIDGE MAR TO RIGHT AWAY.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHERE PLANNING SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR RAIDER WAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY, HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE MAKING AND HOW IT CONNECTS WITH YOU GUYS.

I'M NOT AWARE OF THOSE AND MAYBE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LOWER PART.

SO THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE CLOSER TO CRYSTAL FALLS.

SO IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO THIS WON'T AFFECT THAT.

DO YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT OR DO YOU WANT TO WORK OUT THE ISSUES FIRST AND COME BACK? OH, SORRY.

UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ABOUT PROCESS IS THAT YOU CAN TAKE ACTION TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN THE NEXT COUNCIL HEARING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY ATTEND.

I THINK ROBIN JUST SAID WE WOULDN'T BE READY FOR THE NEXT, AS LONG AS IT PASSES TONIGHT, THEN YOU WOULD GO ON.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN THE CONCEPT OF PASSING IT WITH SOME CONDITIONS SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND MEETING THOSE CONDITIONS, THEN WE WOULD BE, UH, AND WE'D HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE COULD PASS IT ON THAT SECOND HEARING.

BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DELAY AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE TWO MORE HEARINGS.

THAT'S I THINK WE SHOULD.

SO THIS, THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, SO THAT'S, THAT'S OVER.

SO NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

SO WE HAVE ONE MORE READING OF THE ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SO IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE ACTION, WE WOULD JUST POSTPONE THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

BUT IF WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO THE REQUEST TO, UM, ADD MORE COMMERCIAL TO IT, THAT'S A START OVER, LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND DO NEW NOTICE BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING THE ZONING REQUEST TO SOMETHING THAT'S A MORE INTENSE USE.

COUNCILMEMBER PENTIUM PARKER.

YOU HAD SOMETHING.

I WAS INCLINED TO SAY POSTPONE WITH WORK WITH ROBIN AND MAKE THE CHANGES AND PRESENT AT THE NEXT.

WE COULD DO THAT IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT PHASING.

I'M JUST, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD OTHER CONCERNS BESIDES JUST, YEP.

I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IF WE DO THAT, WHICH I DON'T, I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF RIGHT AWAY BEING TAKEN UP, THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL, THEN THAT SKEWS UP ALL THE PERCENTAGES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M NOT UP FOR HAVING MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN WE HAVE COMMERCIAL.

SO IS THAT ANOTHER, A NEW APPLICATION? RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU COULD EITHER DENY IT OR TAKE NO ACTION AND THEY COULD COME BACK.

WE COULD DO A, A MINOR PUD WHERE WE COULD ADD THE PHASING AND THEN ADDRESS THE USES AND WORK THROUGH THE PERCENTAGES OF COMMERCIAL.

IF WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FINALLY GET SOMETHING DONE AS WELL, TOO, AND THE LEAST, THE LEAST EXTRA STUFF THAT'S NEEDED SO WE CAN, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, CLEARLY COMMUNICATE.

THAT'S BEEN MY THING SINCE DAY ONE CLEAR COMMUNICATION WITH OUR STAFF.

LIKE THERE SHOULD BE AN EASY DECISION FOR US TO MAKE, AND WE WANT YOU TO DEVELOP YOUR LAND, BUT THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY DECISION FOR US TO MAKE TO.

SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE WOULD BE THE, THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO, ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS AND ALLOW YOU TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD SOMEHOW.

BUT THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN'T SAY THERE'S NO WAY I'M I CAN SAY YES, GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW.

UM, WITH THAT MANY THINGS UP IN THE AIR.

SO THE MINOR PEDS, THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SOMETHING SIMILAR, DIFFERENT SCALE OF PROJECT, RIGHT? DIFFERENT SCALE OF PROJECT.

WE JUST ARE, WE'RE GOING TO GET, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT MAYBE LATER IN, LATER IN THIS MEETING AND IT'S TWO SEPARATE DEALS, BUT IT'S THE SAME, SAME CONCEPT.

AND IT, AND I FEEL LIKE IT WAS ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED OR COULD MAYBE B WAS ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY WHAT I SAW.

SO KNOW.

SO IF WE JUST POSTPONE THAT GIVES THEM THE OPTION OF EITHER COMING BACK OR CREATING A MINOR PUD.

I MEAN, IF WE'RE POSTPONING, THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO IS COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT PHASING.

DOES THAT SOUND AMENABLE TO JUST POSTPONE?

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SO IT WOULDN'T ADDRESS, UM, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT ALL HAVE, UM, I MEAN TO TAKE NO ACTION, IF YOU TAKE NO ACTION, WE COULD, I MEAN, YOU COULD EVEN DENY IT EITHER WAY.

THEY WOULD START OVER WITH THE NEW REQUEST AND THE MINOR POPE WOULD BE DIFFERENT ENOUGH WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS.

WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT.

SO NO ACTION.

WELL, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU DENY IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE IT'S A NEW, IT'S A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT REQUEST.

YES, OF COURSE.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE SOME SIZEABLE INVESTMENTS IN THIS, UH, IN THIS WHOLE AREA, JUST A HARD CORNER ALONE AT 2243 AND OUR SURGICAL FACILITY AND RETAIL, UM, IS ABOUT A 20 TO $25 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE HOTEL.

THE DUAL BRAND HOTEL IS A FIRST OF A KIND IN THE COUNTRY.

IT IS DESIGNED FOR BUSINESS TRAVELERS, SOCCER, MOMS, AND WEEKEND WARRIORS.

HE DOES TWO HOTELS IN ONE, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER HOTEL IN ALL OF AUSTIN THAT IS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS IN PFLUGERVILLE, WHICH IS A BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY THAT, UM, THE LARGEST HOTEL GROUP IN THE WORLD HAS CHOSEN OUR SITE IN LEANDER.

AND I REALLY WOULD NOT LIKE TO DELAY THEM SINCE THE FACT THAT WE'VE SIGNED THE LOI BACK IN JUNE.

UM, THAT'S ON THE HARD CORNER THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SETBACK FOR RONALD REAGAN, RIGHT BETWEEN 22, 43 AND A YEAR AWAY.

AND WE'LL HAVE SOME RESTAURANTS IN THE FRONT AS WELL.

SO, UM, MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT, UH, IF POSSIBLE WITH OFF, IF WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

IF YOU WANT ME TO GET RID OF TOWNHOMES, I'LL GIVE HER A TON OF THEM COMPLETELY.

THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.

THAT'S NOT OUR FOCUS.

OUR FOCUS IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'D BE, DO BELIEVE THAT DENSITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO FEED THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THANKS.

SO CUTTING THAT IN HALF WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AND JUST LEAVING IT THERE OR ELIMINATING ELIMINATING THEM ALTOGETHER.

CORRECT.

BECAUSE WE ARE, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FOCUSED ON COMMERCIAL AND THAT IS THE ROUTE WE'RE TAKING, BUT DENSITY IS IMPORTANT.

WE NEED THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING BACK AGAINST RICH, MAR WE DON'T ANTICIPATE COMMERCIAL GOING BACK OF RICH, MAR MAYBE FURTHER BACK, THERE'LL BE MORE OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE AND OTHER STUFF IN THAT SECTION.

THAT'S FURTHER DEEPER, BUT WE WANT THAT DENSITY TO FEED THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, A STARBUCKS AND DUNKIN DONUTS.

SO THE GYMS, UH, VERIZON AND AT AND T CENTER.

SO THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

THE HOTEL, THE HOTEL WILL BE PLACED MIDWAY BETWEEN, UH, HERE AWAY AND 2243 FRONTING RONALD REAGAN WITH RESTAURANT PAT SITES IN FRONT OF YOU.

YES, BUT THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS, AND I KNOW THAT THIS GOES BACK, THERE HAS BEEN, THERE HAVE BEEN PRIOR, UH, PRIOR PROPOSALS, BUT EVER SINCE YOU ALL ADOPTED THE, UH, HERO WAY PROJECT AND THE PROPOSED, UM, DIRECT CONNECTORS AND THOSE FOOTPRINTS ARE, WE HAVE EVERY TIME THERE'S BEEN AN APPLICATION, UH, THIS AFRICA AND OTHERS WE'VE SAID, THIS IS WHAT THE PROJECTED FOOTPRINT IS.

SO WE WOULD WANT THAT RECOGNIZED ON THE FRONT END THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CROSS SECTION.

SO I JUST, I WOULD, NO MATTER WHICH DIRECTION Y'ALL GO TONIGHT AND MOVING FORWARD, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF A KNOWN AS BEST WAY TO PUT IT IF DAN OR ROSS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT THERE WASN'T THE RESOLUTION THAT Y'ALL Y'ALL HAD APPROVED AND ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE DIRECT CONNECTORS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK ROSS HAS MENTIONED IT'S, IT'S GOT A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UH, CROSS SECTION.

SO I'M CURIOUS, HERE'S A PROCEDURAL QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, WHEN WE KNOW ON A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF RIGHT.

OF WAY.

UM, WHY DOES THAT EVEN GO THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS AND NOT JUST LIKE, WHY ARE WE GIVING THAT AREA A HIGHER VALUE ESSENTIALLY? SORRY.

WELL, SHE'S THINKING THROUGH HER ANSWER.

BUT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SPACE, RIGHT? SORRY.

UM, THE, THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO JUST APPROVE THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE CASE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE THEM GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE JUST TAKING OUT THE TOWNHOUSE, BUT THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT 2243 IN THE WIDENING.

IT WOULD STILL HAVE PROPERTY WITHIN THAT AREA BEING ZONED.

IT WOULD AFFECT THE VALUE OF RIGHT.

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NO, NO PROBLEM.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

GOOD THING TO THINK ABOUT, UM, YEAH.

IF, IF DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED THERE AND THEN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS EVENTUALLY ACQUIRED, IT'S INCREASES THE COST OF ACQUISITION AND COULD IMPACT THE USES THERE IF THEY'RE ALREADY IN PLACE AND THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE AS FAR AS STRATEGIES FOR DEALING WITH THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE AWAY AND COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD THERE ON CASES LIKE THIS.

WELL, WE THERE'S SOME LEGAL ADVICE AROUND THAT THAT WE WOULD BEST BE DISCUSSED.

UH, I JUST, UH, CONFER THIS WITH, UH, WITH ROBIN.

WE CAN REMOVE TRACKS OF LAND FROM THE ZONING CASE, AND THEREFORE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND START OVER, UM, JUST TALKING TO DR.

MAHINDRA ABOUT THIS, AND WE ARE WILLING TO REMOVE THIS TRACT OF LAND RIGHT HERE.

THESE ARE TRACKS OF LAND BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT TRACKS, UH, THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, PURCHASED OVER THE YEARS OR WHATEVER.

SO THIS TRACT OF LAND RIGHT HERE, WE WOULD REMOVE AND THEREFORE IT WOULD NOT BE RESIDENTIAL.

WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING IN THE FUTURE.

SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS IT WOULD GIVE YOU, LET ME, NOPE.

WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW IT TO YOU THIS WAY.

I'LL HAVE TO SHOW IT TO YOU THIS WAY.

SO WHAT YOU WILL HAVE IS A COMMERCIAL TRACT OF LAND THAT IS THAT LARGE IN THE FUTURE.

WE WOULD REMOVE THIS TODAY AND IT WOULD BE AN ZONED, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND ZONE IT COMMERCIAL.

IS THAT THE TRACK WHERE THE, WHERE YOU HAD THE LOI, DOES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO TO THE WEST, I GUESS IT'S THE HOTEL WILL BE APPROXIMATELY IN THIS AREA, CORRECT? LIKE, SO HOW BIG IS THAT PARCEL? OH, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT WHY DON'T WE, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE LOI, THEN IF THERE WAS A WAY TO JUST TO ZONE THAT PIECE, THEN LET'S DO IT.

OH, JUST THAT ONE PIECE.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE PARCEL WAS THOUGH, SO THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S THE PERSONAL AND THEN WORK AND THAT, THAT DOESN'T SLOW YOU DOWN AND THEN WE CAN KEEP WORKING ON THE OTHER STUFF AND WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT IT DOESN'T SLOW YOU DOWN WITH YOUR LOI.

BUT WHEN WE ARE DOING, UM, SURVEYS, CIVIL ENGINEERING, REGIONAL DETENTION PONDS, NOT RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL DETENTION PONDS, WE HAVE TO FACTOR THAT ALL IN.

OTHERWISE JUST FROM THE DETENTION POND ALONE, IF WE DID INDIVIDUAL ONES, IT'S JUST GOING TO EAT UP A LOT OF LAND.

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, GRIFFIN, GRIFFIN.

I CAN'T TALK TONIGHT.

HOW LONG WOULD A MINOR PUG TAKE? SO, UM, THEY TAKE ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO TWO MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.

UM, WITH MINOR PUDS, THEY, UM, ARE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD, SO WE CAN DO THE REVIEW QUICKER.

AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD KEEP THIS APPLICANT FROM LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE DETENTION PONDS WOULD BE IN DOING ALL OF THE RESEARCH ON THAT.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS OR NICK, UM, IF WE WANT TO APPROVE JUST THE HOTEL FOR TONIGHT, SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO RATHER THAN AN ALL OUT DENIAL OF EVERYTHING.

UM, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT PARCEL THAT IS.

I CAN'T SEE THAT.

SO WHAT, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS THAT, UM, COULD BE YOUR EMOTION IN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TRADING.

WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE IT BETTER DEFINED THE WAY THEY DID THEIR ZONING REQUESTS.

THEY DID IT BY THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY PARCEL IDS AND DID NOT DO FIELD NOTES.

UM, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A CASE WHERE, UM, IT OVERLAPS, UM, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK THIS, UH, THIS SIGN RIGHT HERE, THAT'S A PARCEL LINE.

SO IT MIGHT BE KIND OF AWKWARD.

UM, THEY COULD DO IT WITH, WITH FIELD NOTES.

WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY IN OUR ORDINANCE TO ZONE BY MAP, WHERE THEY COULD DO A DIMENSION MAP WHERE YOU COULD PULL IT FROM THE CORNER AND COME UP WITH THE DIMENSIONS THAT WAY.

SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WAYS WE COULD DO IT.

HOW DO YOU NEED THIS MOTION TO SOUND? UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, DIRECT THEM TO WORK WITH STAFF, TO COME UP WITH THAT, THAT AREA.

IT ALL TOGETHER BY THEN WE'RE PRACTICALLY AT A MINOR PUD.

UM, WE COULD DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING, BUT THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A CASE WHERE WE HAVE TO PUSH THE SECOND READING TO THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING TO GIVE US TIME, TO GET

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AND THEN DR.

MAHINDRA IS WILLING TO REMOVE EVERYTHING AND BLUE, ALL THE TOWNHOME IS GONE.

WE'LL JUST GO COMMERCIAL FOR THE WHOLE THING, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE MIDDLE PORTION, BECAUSE WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT ZONING IT'D BE REMOVED IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO EVERYTHING THAT'S TOWNHOUSE ZONING WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE ZONING CASE TONIGHT.

WE'D ALL BE ZONED, THINGS THAT ARE IN RED.

CAN YOU RECONFIRM WHAT YOUR CONCERN WAS ABOUT, UM, COMING BACK LATER AND HAVING THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS IN, IN THE PART THAT'S RED, OR NOW WE'RE ADDING VALUE TO IT TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP PAYING FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BECAUSE THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE BUILT COMMERCIAL WHEN WE KNOW THAT THAT ENTIRE STRIP ACROSS THE TOP NEVER CAN BE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A ROADWAY.

SO ON THIS MAP, THE TOP PIECE THAT'S, UM, THIS RED, LIKE THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE, THAT LINE, THAT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL.

UH, MAYBE IT'S A CASE WHERE YOU CONSIDER LEAVING OUT THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO, TO HERO AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HELP, BUT THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE FIELD NOTES OR A SPECIAL CLASS.

SO REMOVING THE TOWNHOME ZONING AND REMOVING THE PARCELS THAT ALIGN WITH HERO WAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.

UH, DO YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD, WE CAN STILL HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT IF THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT OR Y'ALL GO WITH THAT.

I SEE NODDING, CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? WE ARE APPROVING THE COMMERCIAL ZONING WITHOUT THE TOWNHOMES AND WITHOUT THE PARCELS THAT, UH, BUT HERO WAY.

EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THIS.

SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING, YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE ZONING FOR WHAT, WHAT IS ON 2243.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY TOO.

I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T HATE TO GO THROW IT, THROW A WRENCH IN THIS THING.

WE GOT A PERSON IN A SECOND AND I'M AGREEABLE TO THAT STUFF TOO.

HE'S RIGHT.

TO ASK FOR WHATEVER HE WANTS.

HE OWNS THE LAND.

I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO, SO AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK LET'S, LET'S GET SOMETHING.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR THE MOTION CAUSE I WAS, I GOT YOU.

ARE WE ALL GOOD? ANY, YEAH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

SIX TO ONE WITH ROSS OPPOSING.

WE ARE GOING TO TAKE, DO YOU WANT FIVE OR 10 MINUTES? FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

IT IS EIGHT 18.

PLEASE BE BACK IN YOUR SEATS AT 8 23.

[26. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-005 to adopt the Garlock Concept Plan and consider Variance Case 21-VA-003 regarding including all land owned by the property owner with the concept plan on a parcel of land approximately 53.22 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R021708; generally located to the southeast of the intersection of Gabriel’s Horn and Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, East of the Valley Vista East Subdivision and addressed as 450 Bradley Ranch Road; Georgetown, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 20-CP-005 and Variance Case 21-VA-003 as described above. ]

WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 8:26 PM ON TO ITEM 26 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 0 5 2, ADOPT THE GARLOCK CONCEPT PLAN AND CONSIDER VARIANCE CASE 21 VA 0 0 3 REGARDING INCLUDING ALL LAND OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN ON A PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 53.2, TWO ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GRIFFIN EVENING.

UM, SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE GARLOCK PROJECT.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

UM, IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, DURING THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS, UH, REQUESTED IT'S ONLY THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

UM, SO IT WILL HAPPEN.

IS THIS A TOP PIECE? I KNOW I CHANGED THE ORIENTATION.

SO IT'S NOW FLIPPED FROM THE LAST MAP.

SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, THIS TOP PIECE UP HERE WOULD BE, UM, PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THEY WOULD LEAVE THIS REMAINDER TRACT, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.

THAT'S SELLING THEM THE LAND TO KEEP AS HER, HER HOMESTEAD SITE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, UM, THAT WOULD TRIGGER A REQUIREMENT FOR A VERY INSPIRE ORDINANCE.

WHEN WE DO A CONCEPT PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE ENTIRE TRACT OWNED BY THAT, UM, PROPERTY OWNER AS PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

UM, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE, UM, A CONTIGUOUS, UH, COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT ALL WORKS WELL TOGETHER.

AND THIS CASE, UM, STAFF HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE ACCESS BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON RIGHT AWAY.

AND, UM, THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS, THE, THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WHEN THEY DEVELOP THE SLOT, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO HER LOT.

SO SHE WILL HAVE FRONTAGE ONTO A RIGHT-OF-WAY AS WELL AS ACCESS TO THE UTILITIES.

UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING.

AND, UM, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL AS THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

UM, IF THE COUNCIL DOES SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH

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A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, YOU'LL MAKE A PRESENTATION AND HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JEFF GUERRERO AND I'M THE, UH, AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT MRS. GARLOCK.

UH, THANK YOU ROBIN, FOR, FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A VERY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY TONIGHT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF LITTLE COMMENTS TO, UM, SO THE, THE LAND ITSELF, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS AN INCLUDED ON THIS, UH, UH, VARIANCE REQUEST IS, UH, IS UNDER CONTRACT, UH, BY KB HOME.

AND, UH, THEY INTEND TO, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY, UH, UH, FILED OUR PRELIMINARY APPLICATION.

YES, OUR PRELIMINARY APPLICATION, UH, TODAY IN ANTICIPATION OF, UH, OF THIS, UM, UH, VARIANTS BEING APPROVED.

AND, UH, AND PART OF THAT, UH, PRELIMINARY DOES SHOW IN FACT, THE, UH, THE CONNECTION THAT WE INTENDED TO TRY TO RESOLVE THE, UH, THE ISSUE THAT THE VARIANCE WOULD BE PROVIDING, UH, UH, LENIENCY FOR, UH, KB HOME IS, UH, IS, IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THE, UH, THE, UH, THE 10 FOOT CONCRETE TRAIL.

THAT IS A PART OF THE SOUTH SAN GABRIEL, UH, TRAIL NETWORK, WHICH IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, THIS WOULD, UM, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD STAY OFF OF, UH, MRS. GARLIC'S REMAINDER PROPERTY, UH, BUT STILL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT SECTION THAT RUNS BETWEEN BLUFF VIEW AND, UM, THE, UH, VALLEY VISTA EAST, UM, UH, PUD TO THE, TO THE WEST OF THIS PROJECT.

BUT, UH, THAT, THAT WAS JUST THE, A COUPLE OF LITTLE COMMENTS THAT I HAD.

IN ADDITION, LIKE I SAID, ROBIN DID A GREAT JOB OF PROVIDING ALL THE EXPLANATION THAT, UH, THAT, UM, WE, I WAS GOING TO PRESENT AS WELL.

UH, BUT I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO IS SUBMITTED TO COURT TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

NOW MOVE INTO ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 20 CP 0 0 5 AND VARIANCE CASE 21 AS DESCRIBED EARLIER.

COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AT, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, UM, ON THE, THE ROMAN AT PEACE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, UM, WHEN SHE DOES DECIDE TO SELL THE FAMILY DECIDES TO SELL THAT PIECE, HOW DOES IT GET INCORPORATED INTO THE CONTINUITY OF, OF THAT AREA? SO IF SHE DOES SELL IT AND THEY WANT TO DIVIDE IT TO ADD MORE LOTS, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS OF PLOTTING IT.

UM, SO THIS SUBDIVISION WILL PROVIDE, UM, LIKE, UH, ACCESS TO IT THROUGH A ROAD.

SO THEY WOULD CONNECT THROUGH THAT.

UM, IT'S A LOT THAT I THINK WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ADD A BUNCH OF BLOTS TOO, JUST BECAUSE OF THE RIVER AND THE TREE COVERAGE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM 28, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 2 2 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR, ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO CREATE THE MASON TRACT CR 1 75 MINOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SFC TO BE SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT AND SFU TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN BASED ZONING DISTRICTS ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 111.56, NINE ACRES PLUS OR MINUS AND SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

[28. Discuss and consider action on the Second Reading of an Ordinance regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-022 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to create the Mason Tract – CR 175 Minor Planned Unit Development (PUD) with the SFC-2-B (Single-Family Compact) and SFU-2-B (Single-Family Urban) base zoning districts on one (1) parcel of land approximately 111.569 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032112; and generally located to the northwest of the intersection CR 177 and CR 175, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]

WELCOME BACK EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.

PERFECT.

SO THIS, UM, THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE MASON TRACK ZONING CASE.

UM, DURING THE LAST MEETING, THE, UM, COUNCIL DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SOME WATER CONSERVATION.

UM, WE, WE DID WORK TOGETHER AND CAME UP WITH SEVERAL, UM, CONCEPTS THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE, THE MINOR PUD.

UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ITEMS IS REDUCING THE TURF GRASS AREA.

UM, WE'VE ADDED LIMITS THE PERCENTAGE OF TURF GRASS FOR HOA LOTS AND REMOVE TURF GRASS FROM BETWEEN THE BACK OF CURB AND SIDEWALKS, LIKE IN YOUR FRONT YARD, THAT PIECE THAT'S BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB THAT THAT ALWAYS DIES.

UM, THEY, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO USE WATER SINCE IRRIGATION CONTROLLERS WHEN IRRIGATION IS PROPOSED, AND THEN ANY IRRIGATION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN HOA LANDSCAPE LOTS WOULD NOT BE SERVED BY MUNICIPAL WATER.

AND THEN THEY ALSO ADDED A PHASING PLAN THAT BROKE THE PROJECT INTO THREE PHASES.

PHASE ONE IS 130 LOTS PHASE TWO IS 130 AND PHASE THREE IS 70.

AND THE WAY THE PHASING WILL WORK IS YOU, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, TWO PHASES UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME.

SO YOU FINISHED ONE, THEN YOU CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE

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FOR QUESTIONS.

AND THEN THAT'S OKAY.

UH, BRANDON COOPER, UH, TOLL BROTHERS, UH, DIVISION PRESIDENT 38, 21.

DID NC VIEW LAND OR TEXAS, UH, APPRECIATE THE COUNSEL, LETTING US COME BACK AND, UH, PRESENT OUR, UH, OUR PROJECT FOR, UH, UH, FOR APPROVAL, HOPEFULLY, UM, ONE OR TWO, UM, DON'T HAVE TOO MANY SLIDES.

JUST WANT TO KIND OF POINT OUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, UH, THAT ROBIN TALKED ABOUT.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, BIG THANKS TO THE, UH, TO THE STAFF.

UM, WE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY OUR TEAM TO, UM, TO TRY TO, I THINK, COME UP WITH A GOOD PROJECT HERE THAT MET YOUR CONCERNS AND, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS OF LEANED OR ABOUT WATER.

SO WE WILL, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE PHASING REAL QUICK.

UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE HAD ANTICIPATING BREAKING THIS UP INTO TWO PHASES, UM, ORIGINALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WE, UH, WORKED WITH, WITH CITY AND, AND ROBIN'S TEAM TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE FEEL IS, IS, IS A GOOD, OKAY, IT'S PLAYING.

UM, I SAY, WE'D GO BACK.

STOP.

YEAH, WE'LL JUST LOOK AT THAT.

I CAN DO THAT.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN.

OH, THAT'S PERFECT.

SO, UM, SO REALLY OUR PHASING STRATEGY HAD TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY IS, WHERE THE W UH, THE REC CENTER, THE AMENITY CENTER LOT WAS GOING TO BE.

SO WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE FIRST PHASE AND THEN TRYING TO ENGINEER IT, UM, AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE WATERWAYS AND, UH, AND TRYING TO GET THE GRADE INCORRECT.

UM, SO THERE WAS SOME LIMITATIONS ON, ON HOW SMALL WE CAN MAKE THIS, THIS FIRST PHASE.

UM, THE THIRD PHASE WAS AN OBVIOUS, UH, UH, BREAKOUT WITH THAT BEING A SEPARATE, UM, KIND OF SECTION DUE TO THIS, UH, THIS NATURAL BREAK HERE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PHASE, REALLY FOCUSING IN, ON PICKING UP THE REST OF IT TO, UM, TO FOLLOW GRADING ON THIS, UH, THIS NORTHERN BOUNDARY, AND THEN CONTINUING THE, UH, THE, TO THE WESTERN BOUNDARY THAT WE SEE HERE.

SO THAT WAS OUR STRATEGY WITH PHASING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS ILLUSTRATES A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT ROBIN WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS LITTLE, UH, NUISANCE STRIP THAT THAT'S BETWEEN THE CURB AND, UH, THE CITY SIDEWALK.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT DOING THIS WITH NO IRRIGATION, UH, RIVERWALK, CRUSHED GRANITE.

UM, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO, UH, TO MINIMIZE ANY SORT OF OVER-WATERING THAT TYPICALLY OCCURS IN THAT SPOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY SEE IT IN MOST OF THEM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A MAIN CULPRIT FOR, FOR WHAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN, YOU KNOW, EARLY IN THE MORNING, YOU'LL SEE IRRIGATION, WATER RUNNING DOWN THE CURBS AND, AND INTO THE STREET.

SO TO ELIMINATE THAT, UM, ALSO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE WATER SENSITIVE, THE GROUND SENSITIVE WATER DEVICES FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS REALLY A FOCUS.

UM, MAYBE GOING BACK TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE HOA AREAS, UM, THAT ROBIN DISCUSSED, UM, EITHER UTILIZING THIS AS NATURAL VEGETATION THAT DOESN'T NEED IRRIGATION OR UTILIZING, UM, WELL, WATER TO IRRIGATE THE OTHER AREAS THAT THAT WOULD BE IN HERE.

UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY STAFF, UM, TO TRY TO, TO MEET EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS, PHASING IRRIGATION, UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING.

AND I, AND I THINK THAT THE INTERESTING NUMBER IS, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING IN ON THE 2016 LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, UM, WE FEEL LIKE WITH THE W WITH THE INSTITUTIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING OF THESE ITEMS, WE CAN SAVE ANOTHER 20% OF WATER USAGE ON TOP OF THAT 2016 LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PUT INTO EFFECT THAT, THAT YOU'RE ONLY NOW STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THE BENEFITS FROM IN, IN SOME OF THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND LEANDER.

UM, AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE.

SO AGAIN, OVERALL SITE PLAN, MILESTONES QUESTIONS, VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, THAT LITTLE STRIP THAT YOU WERE TALKING, DID YOU CALL THAT A NUISANCE STRIP NUISANCE STRIP? IS THAT REALLY WHAT IT'S CALLED? OKAY.

BECAUSE I LOVE IT.

AND I APPRECIATE, AND HERE'S THE THING I, WASN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT PHASING, Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT FAITH, SO Y'ALL OPENED THOSE DOORS AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID, BECAUSE NOW GOING FORWARD, WE CAN TALK ABOUT PHASING AND EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT.

THAT'S ALL.

SO IT'S EVEN AT MY HOUSE, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MOW TWICE, BUT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF GO UP AND DOWN.

SO IT'S NOT A BIG THING, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

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SO IT'S NOT 44, BUT RIGHT.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH US.

UM, I TALKED TO MIKE RAY AND HE SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE SURE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE GOING TO WORK THAT CONCEPT PHASE WITH, SINCE AFRICA.

COOL.

AWESOME.

AND WITH THAT, CHRIS, THAT NEEDS TO BE A FOUR, FOUR TIER PARTNERSHIP, RIGHT.

CITY DEVELOPER, SCHOOL AND ACCOUNTING.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE DOWN ON THE TABLE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE KEY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT HIM TO GET LOST.

GOTCHA.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

IS ONE OF YOU, MR. BOSWELL, MR. BOSWELL WAS WATCHING ONLINE.

SO MR. BOSWELL, UM, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND IT'S OKAY.

UM, AND JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT I RECEIVED A VERY NICE EMAIL TODAY FROM MR. BOSWELL TALKING ABOUT HOW AMAZING OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING GRIFFIN IS.

AND IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO, UM, GET GOOD FEEDBACK ABOUT OUR STAFF, AND I'M HAPPY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY RECOGNIZES WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU ARE AWESOME.

SO THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, MR. BOSWELL FOR SENDING THAT MESSAGE.

ALL

[29. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance amending Chapter 13, Utilities, and Appendix A, Leander Code of Ordinances, to modify Article 13.03, Billing And Payment of Charges, and Article A7.000, Utility Rates and Charges, providing for severability, an Open Meeting Clause, an effective date; and providing for related matters.]

ITEM 29, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 13, UTILITIES AND APPENDIX A LANDER CODE OF ORDINANCES TO MODIFY ARTICLE 13.03, BILLING AND PAYMENT OF CHARGES AND ARTICLE A 7 0 0 0 UTILITY RATES AND CHARGES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND OPEN MEETINGS CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING FOR RELATED MATTERS.

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.

WE'LL PROVIDE OUR OVERVIEW.

YOU'RE ALSO AMAZING.

I'M SURE THERE'S NO EMAIL ON THE RECORD.

NOT YET.

LET'S, UH, LET'S KEEP IT ABOVE BOARD.

SO TONIGHT BEFORE YOU, AS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CODE, ADDRESSING WATER RATES, AND IT HAS SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER, UH, THIS EVENING.

UH, ONE ARE THE PROPOSED TIERED RATE STRUCTURE, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, BRIEFLY, UM, SOME SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THE, UH, SENIOR AND DISABLED PERSONS DISCOUNT.

HOW WE, UH, APPLY THAT, UH, HOW THE WINTER, UH, AVERAGE FOR SEWER RATES IS CALCULATED AND, UH, CUSTOMER LAKE ADJUSTMENT POLICY.

AND THEN, UM, HOW THIS PROCESS WILL AFFECT OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT CUSTOMERS.

AS YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS PAST SUMMER, OUR WATER RATE CONSULTANT, UH, FINISHED THE WATER RATE STUDY.

AND IN THAT WE HAD ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO, UH, UH, ANALYZE A TIERED RATE, UM, STRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

UH, AND HE, HE DID THAT AND HE, AND HIS PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL THIS SUMMER RECOMMENDED THREE BLOCKS, UH, THREE TIERS OF, UM, ZERO TO 10,000 GALLONS BEING THE FIRST, ANYTHING ABOUT 10 TO 25, THE SECOND, AND ANYTHING ABOVE 25,000 TO BE, UH, THE THIRD BLOCK AND WITH TIERED RATES, THE MORE YOU USE ONCE YOU GET INTO THAT NEXT, UH, BLOCK, THE RATE PER THOUSAND GALLONS INCREASES, UH, AND HIS, AND HIS PROPOSAL, THE FIRST TIER USAGE BETWEEN ZERO TO 10,000 GALLONS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A DECREASE FROM OUR CURRENT RATE OF 4 91 PER THOUSAND.

UM, AND THEN YOU, YOU CAN SEE ON THE CHART THAT THE INCREASES ON THE NEXT TIERS.

UM, SO, BUT, UH, AFTER WE'VE LOOKED AT THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, CUSTOMER BASE AND THE USAGE WE USED THE, THE ENTIRE YEAR OF 2020, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE FIRST BLOCK BE ZERO TO 15,000 GALLONS.

UM, CAN I ASK YES, SIR.

I DON'T MEAN TO TRIP YOU UP.

WHY ARE WE GOING TO 15,000? ISN'T THAT NUMBER? OKAY.

IT CAPTURES THE LARGEST BLOCK OF CUSTOMERS TO, UM, BASICALLY, UM, WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR IS THE REALLY, TO, TO IMPACT THE, THE REALLY HIGH D USERS IN THE, IN THE SUMMER.

AND SO THE 15,000 GALLONS WILL COVER THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WHO AREN'T CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PROBABLY CAN FOR A CHANGE IN USAGE.

UM, WE, WE ARE WITH THE SECOND TIERS.

IF YOU WENT TO ZERO TO 15,000, RIGHT? YES.

BUT THAT WOULD BE 15,000 TO 25,000

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SO THAT'S RIGHT.

NO GOOD QUESTIONS.

AND, UM, UH, BASED ON THE ACTUAL CONSUMPTION IN 2020, UH, NEARLY 83% OF OUR CUSTOMERS WOULD SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THEIR WATER BILLS.

UM, SLIGHTLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED CUSTOMERS WOULD SEE AN AVERAGE INCREASE OF $50 OR MORE.

AND THESE ARE REALLY LARGE USERS, 40, 50, 60,000 GALLONS A MONTH.

UH, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A $250 BILL.

NOW IT WOULD BE A $300 BILL LATER.

NOT SURE IF THAT'LL IMPACT THEIR, THEIR USAGE.

SO I KNOW WE DID SOME OUTREACH ABOUT SOME OF THOSE HIGH USE, CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL HOMES, RIGHT.

THIS IS THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL HOME USING 30,000 AND ABOVE THAT'S IT IT'S IRRIGATION FREQUENCY.

AND YEAH.

SO, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO I, I MOVED INTO A NEW HOME IN THE WAY THAT THE BUILDER HAD IT SET.

UM, I LOOKED AT MY BILL WHEN I WAS FIRST THERE.

WHAT THAT DOES IS ANYONE USING LESS THAN 8,250 GALLONS A MONTH WILL SEE EITHER THE SAME DISCOUNT, OR IF THEY'RE A REALLY LOW USER, THEY'LL SEE A BIGGER DISCOUNT.

AND THAT NUMBER WAS COMING UP AND WHAT THE BUILDER WAS SET ON ON, LIKE, IF YOU HAVE HALF AN ACRE OR THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE SET THERE, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT SHOWS UP ON THERE.

SO RESETTING THOSE THINGS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT REFI, I HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ACTUALLY COMING FROM OKAY.

SO REGARDLESS OF THAT, THAT, THAT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EASY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, JUST TO TURN ON THE SPRINKLER ONCE A WEEK OR TWICE A WEEK AND GET THEIR SO D TO GIVE A GRAPHICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE, THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT USE 15,000 GALLONS OR MORE A MONTH, UH, THE, THE LINE REPRESENTS THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THE OFF SUMMER MONTHS, IT'S IN THE THOUSAND, UM, THOUSAND TO 1500 CUSTOMERS A MONTH IN THE OFF PEAK SEASON, AND WE HAVE 24 PLUS THOUSAND, UH, ACCOUNT.

SO, UM, BUT THE AVERAGE USE IS TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND AND ABOVE FOR THOSE, UM, FOR THOSE USERS.

AND OBVIOUSLY AS WE GET INTO MAY, JUNE AND JULY, UM, WE GO FROM A THOUSAND CUSTOMERS HITTING, UM, 15,000 AND ABOVE TO OVER NEARLY 8,000 CUSTOMERS.

SO IT IS A SUMMER IRRIGATION, UH, SITUATION.

UH, ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS 30% OF THE CUSTOMERS DURING THE SUMMER, UH, USE 60% OF THE WATER.

SO JUST A WAY TO LOOK AT THAT, UH, FOR THOSE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE USED MORE THAN 25,000 GALLONS DURING THE YEAR, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, LESS THAN A THOUSAND, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 500 IN THE OFF SUMMER, BUT IT DOES CLIMB TO WELL OVER 3000 IN, UH, JULY AND AUGUST.

AND AGAIN, ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THAT 12% OF OUR CUSTOMERS WHO USE 25,000 GALLONS OR MORE DURING THE SUMMER ACCOUNT FOR 35% OF THE TOTAL USAGE.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A RATIONALE FOR TIERED RATES, IS THAT I THINK THESE GRAPHS KIND OF SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, HOPEFULLY.

UM, SO THAT'S THE TIERED RATES.

UM, WE ARE NOT, WE ARE, UH, RECOMMENDING TO STAY WITH THE PRICING STRUCTURE ON TERMS OF THE PRICE PER THOUSAND, THAT THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED, BUT HAVING THE FIRST BLOCK BE ZERO TO 15,000 GALLONS, UM, THE NEXT, UH, SEGMENT IN THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE IN, AS IN HOW THE OVER 65 65 AND OVER AND DISABLED PERSONS DISCOUNT IS CALCULATED CURRENTLY SENIORS AND DISABLED PERSONS GET A 10% DISCOUNT ON, UH, WATER, SEWER AND TRASH SERVICES.

AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE SAME THEN IS, IS ONLY APPLIES TO WATER, BUT WITH THE WATER BILL, AS YOU KNOW, YOU GET A PORTION OF YOUR BILL AS IS THE FIXED MONTHLY CHARGE THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, UH, FROM MONTH TO MONTH, IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE YOU EVER MEET HER, BUT THEN YOU ALSO GET BILLED FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU USE.

CURRENTLY, THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THE 10% APPLIES TO THE BASE, THE MONTHLY CHARGE, AS WELL AS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR USAGE.

SO THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING IS TO CHANGE THE DISCOUNT TO 20% OFF YOUR BASE, AND NO, NO DISCOUNT OFF OF YOUR USAGE.

WHAT THAT,

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UM, THOSE THAT USE MORE THAN 8,000, WE'LL SEE LESS OF A, OF A DISCOUNT, BUT HERE'S A GRAPH OF THE 2,500 SENIOR ACCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, ON THE BOOKS, UM, IN 2020, AGAIN, UM, COUPLE OF HUNDRED, UH, ACCOUNTS IN THE, IN THE OFF, OFF SEASON.

SO TO SPEAK, UH, USE MORE THAN 8,250 GALLONS, BUT IT DOES INCREASE IN THE SUMMER, SUMMER MONTHS.

NOW THIS WASN'T SURPRISING TO ME WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, UM, UH, THESE PARTICULAR ACCOUNTS, THE AVERAGE USAGE, IT'S NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER 82, 50 IT'S IT'S TWICE THAT THE AVERAGE USAGE FOR THESE CUSTOMERS IS IN THE 15,000.

SO, UM, THEY'RE GETTING A 10% DISCOUNT, UH, FOR, FOR A LARGE, UH, WATER BILL OR WATER USE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THERE.

THE, THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, MORE ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT WE ALSO THINK OF THERE'LL BE A BENEFIT TO THE CUSTOMERS.

CURRENTLY, THE WAY YOUR SEWER RATE IS DETERMINED IS, UH, WE TAKE THE THREE MONTHS IN THE WINTER, TAKE THE AVERAGE OF YOUR USAGE AND MULTIPLY BY THE RATE.

AND YOU GET, WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE WINTER QUARTER AVERAGE, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE, THE WINTER ICE STORM EFFECTED, UH, OUR READING THIS, THIS PAST YEAR.

AND WHAT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO DO IS, IS TO DROP THE HIGHEST CONSUMPTION PERIOD BECAUSE OUR CONSUMPTION PERIODS WEREN'T EVENLY 30 DAYS.

SO IT REALLY MESSED UP THE CALCULATION.

SO WE DROPPED THE HIGHEST MONTH AND ACTUALLY THE RESULTS CAME OUT, UM, IN OUR OPINION REALLY WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THAT ONE MONTH THAT PEOPLE CALL THE OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, THAT WAS NOT TYPICAL.

OR YOU, YOU, THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

HOW DID MY BILL GO UP SO MUCH? SO BY DOING, TAKING, STILL LOOKING AT THE THREE MONTHS, DROPPING THE HIGHEST AND GETTING THE AVERAGE THERE, WE THINK, UM, WE WILL GREATLY REDUCE THE CALL VOLUME IN MARCH WHEN THOSE BILLS GO OUT.

UM, SO THEN THE LAST THING IS, IS MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S, IT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE INTO OUR CURRENT PRACTICE.

AND THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY DOES ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO, UM, APPROVE A LEAK ADJUSTMENT POLICY.

AND, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD, UH, THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

IT'S PRETTY GENEROUS.

UH, PRETTY MUCH IF YOU HAVE A LAKE, WE DO A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TIME YOU HAD THE LEAK VERSUS THE TIME YOU DIDN'T.

AND, UM, BASICALLY WRITE OFF THE DIFFERENCE.

SO YOU GET A LEAK ADJUSTMENT ONCE A YEAR, OR IS IT ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS, ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS, ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS, LAURA, OUR BILLING MANAGER IS IN THE BACK HELPING ME HERE.

SO, UM, BUT IT'S, UH, IT IS, IT IS GENEROUS IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT, UH, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, DO.

IT'S ALSO, UM, IN THE, IN THE SPIRIT OF, UH, CONSERVATION.

AND WHY, WHY IS WATER USE IT'S EXPENSIVE, UM, TO THE CITY TO BE, UM, NOT ENCOURAGING MORE PROMPT ATTENTION TO PEOPLE'S, UM, MONTHLY BILLS.

UM, I JUST LOOKED AT A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE, UH, FROM, UH, LAKE ADJUSTMENTS THIS SUMMER, AND THEY'RE IN THE 6, 7, 800 AND $900 CREDIT.

SO THE, UM, THAT'S A LOT OF WATER, UH, FOR CUSTOMERS TOO, TO HAVE TWO OR THREE MONTHS IN A ROW BEFORE THE LEAK GETS FIXED.

SO WHAT WE ARE, UM, PROPOSING TO THE CITY MANAGER, AGAIN, IT'S NOT OFFICIAL TONIGHT, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON SOME OF THE PARTICULARS, BUT, UM, ONE IS THAT WE WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF QUALIFYING EVENT.

UM, IF YOU HAVE A LEAKY FAUCET OR A, YOU KNOW, A RUNNING TOILET THAT WON'T COUNT ANYMORE, THAT SHOULD BE, UH, EASY ENOUGH FOR A HOMEOWNER TO PAY ATTENTION TO AND GET THAT ADDRESSED.

UM, THE OTHER

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CHANGE THAT IS, I THINK MORE SIGNIFICANT WOULD BE THAT, UH, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE CREDIT REGARDLESS OF THE LEAK WOULD BE KEPT IF YOU HAD A PLUMBER REPAIR THE LEAK.

CAUSE THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE, UM, MORE INVOLVED REPAIRS.

UM, WE WOULD CAP THAT CREDIT AT $250 IF THE HOMEOWNER OR THE RESIDENT, UH, UH, THEMSELVES MADE THE, MADE THE REPAIR, THE CAP WOULD BE, UH, $100.

SO TO PUT THAT INTO GALLONS, UM, TO GET A $250 CREDIT IS 50,000 GALLONS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A DECENT SIZE LAKE.

IN MY OPINION, UM, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS A 20,000 GALLON LAKE, SO STILL SUBSTANTIAL, BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING A MONTH IN A MONTH OUT, UM, ARE, UM, MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THAT.

SO IT'S NOT ENCOURAGING WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

AND THAT IS, UH, IF YOU SEE A LAKE, UH, OR, UH, A PROBLEM WITH YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE, UH, ONCE YOU SEE THAT BILL COME IN AND GET IT FIXED, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, THAT IS A POLICY THAT'S, UH, BY ORDINANCE ALLOWED FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE.

BUT, UM, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL A HEADS UP OF WHERE, WHERE, WHERE OUR THOUGHTS ARE, UM, JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT, UH, ARE TWO OF OUR NEIGHBORS DO.

UH, CEDAR PARK ONLY GIVES A 50% CREDIT.

THEY, THEY DETERMINED THE LEAK.

IF YOU, YOUR LEAK IS DETERMINED TO BE 20,000 GALLONS OFF OF NORMAL, THEY'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR 10,000, UH, GEORGETOWN DOESN'T GET, UM, RIGHT OFF ANY OF THE WATER.

THEY JUST SLOWER THE AMOUNT FOR THAT LOST WATER TO THEIR TIER TWO.

RIGHT? SO, UM, UH, LASTLY FOR INFORMATION, UM, STATE DOT STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE THAT IF YOU, IF UTILITY HAS OUT OF CITY, UH, CUSTOMERS, THAT WE ARE TO NOTIFY THEM OF ANY RATE CHANGES, AND THEN THEY, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL, UM, NOT TO YOU LEGALLY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN APPEAL TO YOU, BUT NOT LEGALLY THAT LEGAL APPEAL IS TO THE PUC, BUT WE WOULD, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT, ON THAT PROCESS.

BUT I WILL SAY AGAIN, THAT FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING IN AND OUT, UM, THE VAST MAJORITY, WE'LL SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THEIR BILL AT THAT LOWER FIRST TIER.

UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN THE, THIS ORDINANCE IS THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE BE JANUARY 1ST, UH, THAT GIVES US TWO MONTHS FOR, UM, PUBLIC NOTICE, AS WELL AS, UH, GETTING THE WORD OUT TO OUR OUT OF CITY CUSTOMERS.

AND THAT IS MY PRESENTATION FOR QUESTIONS INTO THAT SECOND, DO YOU NEED TO KNOW, DO YOU NEED IT WITH THE 15,000 CATHERINE IS THAT'S IN THE GRAVITY OF THE ORDINANCE? YES.

MOTION A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK YOU HIT EVERYTHING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[30. Discuss and consider action on seating arrangements for elected officials at public meetings.]

I DON'T REMEMBER 30 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON SEATING ARRANGEMENTS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AT PUBLIC MEETINGS, COUNCIL MEMBER, PENN TELLING PARKER, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

UM, SO THIS SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK AND EASY.

UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, I GUESS IT WAS MAYBE JUNE OR JULY OF LAST YEAR, UH, ON AND OFF, WE HAVE REARRANGED THE SEATING, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WAS GOING ON.

UH, AND IT WAS REALLY WEIRD AT FIRST AND, YOU KNOW, BUT UNDERSTANDABLY SO, UM, AND THEN WE WERE ALL UP HERE AGAIN, AND THEN WE SHOW UP AND WE'VE GOT SEATS DOWN HERE.

SO WE KEEP DOING THIS AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, HOW THAT DECISION GETS MADE.

WHAT'S THE CRITERIA.

UH, PERSONALLY, I'D LOVE TO ALL OF US JUST SIT DOWN THERE AND BE PART OF THE AUDIENCE OR ALL SIT UP HERE.

UM, I KNOW JASON WOULD JUST AS SOON SIT RIGHT THERE BY HIMSELF AND HE'D BE PERFECTLY FINE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW WE GET HERE.

HOW, HOW DOES THAT DECISION GET MADE? SO I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH THE DISCUSSION.

SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE UP HERE AND WHILE THEY WERE DOWN THERE, DID YOU ASK ANYONE? UM, I'M ASKING NOW IS A DISCUSSION.

SO THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW TO ME THE EXTRA SET UP FOR STAFF, MS. CRABTREE WILL NEVER COMPLAIN BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT COMPLAIN AND HE WILL COMPLAIN.

I KNOW

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YOU'RE FINE.

UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO ALL SIT UP HERE TOGETHER? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DECIDE ON TOGETHER? OR HOW IS THIS HAPPENING? SO I HAD THE SAME QUESTION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WHEN DELTA HAD, HAD KICKED UP THE INFECTION RATES IN OTHER COUNCILS, THEY'RE PUTTING UP PLASTIC PARTITIONS BETWEEN PEOPLE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ALL WE'VE EVER DONE IS THIS.

AND SO I ASKED, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? AND I WAS TOLD, WELL, DISTANCE, IT'S ALL GOOD.

UM, I MEAN, AS THE NUMBERS GO DOWN, I'M FINE WITH GOING BACK TO NORMAL, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S AN AGENDA ITEM AND WHY YOU DIDN'T JUST, WELL, I DID ASK AND IT WAS, IT WAS MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT SOMEBODY HAS REQUESTED THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN SIT ALL CLOSE TOGETHER AND DO INTERVIEWS LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE HOURS.

BUT THEN WE SIT UP HERE AND WE HAVE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE.

SO I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC.

AND THEN WE GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE'RE ALL IN A CLOSED ROOM, CLOSER TOGETHER THAN WE ARE OUT HERE.

SO IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE ODD, LIKE WHY DON'T WE JUST SIMPLIFY IT AND I'LL GET BACK UP HERE TOGETHER AND LOOK LIKE PART OF THE TEAM, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A PERSONAL ISSUE WITH IT.

AND THEN, THEN MAKE THAT DECISION FOR YOURSELF.

LIKE, IF I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND SAID, CAN I JUST SIT DOWN THERE? AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SIT THERE, BUT I DON'T.

SO I'M ASKING IF WHAT'S THAT PROCESS, DO WE NEED TO PUT IT ON AN AGENDA ITEM TO VOTE? OR DO WE, WHO, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? WHAT SHOULD WE DO GOING FORWARD? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM, WELL, COUNSEL, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE AT RIGHT NOW.

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A VERY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION FOR ME A MONTH AGO, BUT WHERE, WHAT DO Y'ALL FEEL? YEAH.

I THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE PAST MONTH, SO I'M FINE COMING TOGETHER.

I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY CARES WHAT WE DO AND HE AND I, AND HE, AND I DON'T REALLY WELL.

I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE DO THIS BEFORE EVERY TIME MARCY WAS DOWN HERE, I'M LIKE, I'LL GO SIT DOWN THERE.

SHE CAN SIT UP THERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTIL TODAY TOO, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T ASK, BECAUSE I FIGURED I'M ONE OF THE ONES SITTING DOWN HERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT.

WE COULD ROTATE.

I MEAN, OTHER PEOPLE COULD SIT DOWN THERE IF THAT'S AN ISSUE.

I MEAN TO KATHERINE'S POINT THOUGH, TOO.

I MEAN, WHAT'S THE POINT? NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I SAID WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, SORRY, I SAID, WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, I HATED THAT SET UP.

I SAID, ABOVE LOOKING DOWN, I THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE SITTING DOWN.

I'D BE HAPPY SITTING.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SAID, EVEN CAMPAIGN, I SAID THEY SHOULD DO DUGOUT AND NOT WAY TO PUBLIC.

AND SO I LOVE SITTING DOWN HERE WAS SAYING, HE WANTS TO COME UP HERE.

HEY, RICK AND DAR PROBABLY GOOD, BUT YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER ANYBODY WANTS TO DO.

I UNDERSTAND.

I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING TOGETHER AS WELL, TOO, JUST AS SITTING DOWN HERE.

UM, IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD AT MEETINGS HAVING TO GO BACK AND DO THAT.

SO THAT'S, IT IS TOUGH TO, TO PARTICIPATE AND DO THOSE THINGS.

SO, I MEAN, THIS IS AS FEEDBACK FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S DOWN HERE.

IT DOES MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT.

I MEAN, I'M WORRIED ABOUT BECKY ALWAYS MAKING FUN OF ME AND THEN NICOLE THROWING STUFF IN MY HAIR AND IT'S VERY TENANT TEMPTING TO THROW SOMETHING AT JASON'S HEAD.

AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.

I KNOW THE FACT THAT I AM BALDING.

YES, YOU ARE A GOOD, GOOD SHOT OF IT.

SO HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL? I HAVE NO PREFERENCE.

WE CAN SOCIAL DISTANCE AND ROTATE, OR WE CAN ALL SIT UP HERE.

IT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE.

PRETEND SAME, SAME.

I COULDN'T CARE LESS.

I THINK IT'S FINE.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE UPTICKS, IF PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE, I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE HAVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING THE SAME MEASURES AS OTHER CITIES.

AND I THINK THAT'S FINE.

AND WHOEVER DOES HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT SHOULD SELF SEPARATE, NOT FORCE OTHERS TO SEPARATE, BECAUSE I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE BACK THERE PRAYING TOGETHER AND HOLDING HANDS AND THAT, THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO OVER THERE.

IT JUST, LOGIC IS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SEE.

IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

SO IF, IF SOMEONE IS NOT COMFORTABLE, I COMPLETELY RESPECT THAT.

THEN ASK TO BE SEATED DOWN THERE.

THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

BUT IF WE'RE PUTTING SOMEONE DOWN THERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE SITTING UP HERE, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE COUNTER TO COUNTER INTUITIVE.

THAT'S ALL.

WELL, AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S CITY BUSINESS, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE TAXPAYERS.

SO IF YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE, JUST ASK, JUST ASK THE QUESTION I DO AND IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

DO YOU NEED A MOTION? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, THEN WE'VE DECIDED, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.

I JUST WANTED IT TO BE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF US, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT.

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UNLESS NOTIFIED OTHERWISE PER PERSON, IS THAT RIGHT? UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEONE SPECIFIES FOR THEMSELF THEN, AND I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF, IF WE DO HAVE THE TABLES AND MIKE'S STILL THERE JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO OPT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BE DONE IN ADVANCE BECAUSE THEN THAT, THAT PROHIBITS THE, THE NEED OF HAVING TO SET THIS UP WITH THE MICROPHONE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S ADDITIONAL WORK.

AND LIKE I SAID, SHE'S NEVER GOING TO COMPLAIN.

GOOD.

LET THE RECORD NOTE, JASON FEELS GUILTY.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE CITY SECRETARY IS IF YOU WANT TO DISTANCE, LET STAFF KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT THEY HAVE THINGS SET UP.

EVERYBODY.

HOW FAR IN ADVANCE AND IS THIS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS BEING IN A RED ALERT FOR COVID, WHAT AM I UNDERSTANDING? I THINK IF IT'S RED AND THEN WE SHOULD BE DISTANCED AND WE SHOULD BE DISTANCING.

THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WASN'T CLEAR.

RECEIVE PRESENTATION ON PILOT.

IT'S PERSONAL CHOICE.

THANK

[31. Receive presentation on pilot public education program regarding water conservation and irrigation systems.]

YOU.

ITEM 31.

RECEIVED PRESENTATION ON PILOT PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAM REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION AND IRRIGATION SYSTEMS, CHIEF OF STAFF, NEW TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW.

CHIEF OF STAFF.

REALLY CAN BE AUTHORIZED AS FAR AS AN EXPENDITURE BY JUST THE CITY MANAGER.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MIKE NEW CHIEF OF STAFF.

UM, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CALL ME CHIEF.

YOU CAN CALL ME MR. NEW MIKE, MIKEY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL ME.

UM, I WILL, I WILL RESPOND.

UM, TH THIS ITEM IS COMING FOR YOU TONIGHT, UM, BASED ON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS.

AND I CAN CERTAINLY LET THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, KICK THAT OFF, BUT I DID WANT TO GO THROUGH, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY AN EXTENSION OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, INITIATIVES.

WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERTAKE TO BATTLE OUR, UM, WATER CHALLENGE.

UM, THIS ONE IS MORE OF A POLICY BASE, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BE MORE PROACTIVE, UH, IN MAKING SURE WE ARE, UM, FOLLOWING OUR OWN PROGRAM OF WATER CONSERVATION AND ENCOURAGING OUR CUSTOMERS TO DO THAT AS WELL.

UM, WE DO KNOW THAT IRRIGATION IS WHEN THE LARGEST WATER DEMAND GENERATORS IN THE CITY.

UM, SOME OF THE CHARTS YOU JUST SAW EARLIER FROM, UM, MR. POWER'S PRESENTATION, I THINK REFLECT THAT.

AND THEN CERTAINLY THE SUMMER MONTHS DO INCREASE WATER USE.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT MANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS KIND OF THINK OF THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS SOMETHING YOU JUST SET AND FORGET.

UM, THEY MAY NOT KNOW OR CARE TO KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THOSE SETTINGS.

UM, IT CAN BE COMPLICATED.

I KNOW, I DO KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT IRRIGATION SYSTEMS OUT THERE THAT BUILDERS USE THAT CAN BE EXTREMELY COMPLICATED, UM, AND HARD TO SET, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE WEATHER SENSITIVE AND, AND MOISTURE SENSITIVE.

THOSE CAN SORT OF OVERRIDE SOME SETTINGS THAT PEOPLE EVEN THINK THEY HAVE.

UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO HELP CUSTOMERS DO THAT.

PROACTIVELY WE KNOW LCRA DOES HAVE A REBATE PROGRAM TO SUPPORT CUSTOMERS WHO TAKE THAT INITIATIVE THEMSELVES TO GET IRRIGATION EVALUATIONS, MAYBE EVEN DO SOIL TESTING AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS, UM, TO KIND OF, UM, MOVE TOWARD THAT WATER CONSERVATION EFFORT.

BUT, UM, RATHER THAN RELYING ON CUSTOMERS TO MAYBE MAKE THAT INITIATIVE, WE, WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

AND THIS PILOT PROGRAM KIND OF GETS US GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

UM, BUT OUR INTERESTS HERE IN, IN ESTABLISHING MAYBE A PROGRAM FOR THIS IS TO KIND OF TAKE OFF A SMALL BITE OF IT TO SEE HOW INTENSIVE IT WILL BE ON OUR END ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, IN DEALING WITH, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, IRRIGATION VENDOR, A LICENSED VENDOR, AND THEN, UH, ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH COLLECTING SOME OF THE DATA AND SEEING RESULTS FROM IT.

UM, RIGHT HERE, I'M JUST SHOWING YOU DETAILS OF WHAT THE CURRENT REBATE SET UP IS WITH LCRA.

YOU DO HAVE SOME, UM, CITIES THAT, UH, ALREADY SOME JURISDICTIONS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT THAT ARE LCRA FROM WATER CUSTOMERS.

UM, WE ARE NOT ON THAT LIST CURRENTLY.

UM, AND CERTAINLY CUSTOMERS ARE ALREADY ELIGIBLE TO LET ME JUST CHANGE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY ELIGIBLE TO, UM, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THEMSELVES.

ALTHOUGH I'M SPEAKING AS A CUSTOMER MYSELF, IF THIS WOULD BE A BURDEN TO ME, JUST GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND THEN SEEKING THE REBATE IS IT'S A, IT'S AN OBSTACLE.

SO WHAT WE WOULD LOOK TO DO, AND I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON THIS IN A MINUTE.

UM, ANY STANDARD WE WOULDN'T TRY TO, UM, PUT IN PLACE AS FAR AS A PROGRAM THAT WE INITIATE WOULD, WOULD FOLLOW THESE SAME STANDARDS THAT LCRA PROVIDES FOR, UH, IRRIGATION EVALUATIONS IN THEIR SYSTEM.

SO WE WOULD WORK WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TO, UM, TO FOLLOW THE SAME STANDARD, BUT KIND OF TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF THE CUSTOMER AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO AHEAD AND, AND TRY TO SEEK AN IRRIGATION EVALUATION RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE ARE SORT OF KIND OF PUTTING OUT THERE FOR COUNCILS, UH, CAN, UH, INPUT, UM, IS THAT WE START SMALL AND THIS CAN BE SOMETHING THAT

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IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL.

UM, WE MIGHT START WITH A HUNDRED OR SO CUSTOMERS AND THEY COULD OPT IN VIA A WEB FORM ON OUR WEBSITE.

IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM EVALUATION AND WE WOULD BENEFIT BY BEING ABLE TO COLLECT, UH, INFORMATION ON THE MANUFACTURERS.

WE DO NOT ALREADY DO THAT WITH OUR PERMITTING PROCESS.

WE DON'T CAPTURE THE MANUFACTURER TYPES OF THESE SYSTEMS WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEY APPLY, UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW US, AT LEAST WITH THE CUSTOMERS WHO OPT IN, THEY COULD TELL US WHAT THE MANUFACTURER TYPE IS.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE RELEVANT FOR ENTIRE SUBDIVISION AREA.

IF THOSE HOMES WERE ALL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH THEY TYPICALLY ARE.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT MANUFACTURER INFORMATION AND PUT TOGETHER SOME EDUCATION MATERIALS, UM, WE PER BUILDER.

UM, AND WE COULD SOLICIT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION SIMULTANEOUSLY FROM THE BUILDERS DURING THIS PILOT PERIOD TOO, AND GET SOME, MAYBE SOME VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE WITH THEM TO GIVE US EVEN MORE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE CAN ALSO LOOK FOR MAYBE COMMON ISSUES OR CONCERNS THAT CUSTOMERS HAVE, MAYBE THINGS THAT ARE COMMON TO THIS SUBSET OF A HUNDRED CUSTOMERS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PUT TOGETHER SOME OTHER INFORMATION PIECES THAT CAN REALLY TARGET SOME OF THESE, THESE HIGH USES AND ISSUES THAT WE SEE.

UM, AND REALLY WE WOULD LOOK TO INITIATE THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET A GOOD CONTRACT WITH AN IRRIGATION VENDOR TO KIND OF DO THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND WORKFORCE AND THEN EVALUATE AFTER THAT PERIOD, UH, AFTER WE KIND OF GET ENOUGH CUSTOMER INTEREST, WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT FOR POSSIBLY LONG-TERM USE AND EXPANSION.

UM, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE WHERE WE COME TO COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST, A BUDGET REQUESTS, UM, TO KIND OF COVER MORE OF A CITYWIDE, UH, FOOTPRINT FOR THIS KIND OF PROGRAM OR ANY QUESTIONS, BALLPARK OF WHAT THAT BUDGET REQUESTS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

NO IDEA AT THIS TIME.

UM, AND I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GUESS WHAT AN IRRIGATION VENDOR MAY CHARGE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS POT PROGRAM IS ASSESS POTENTIAL COSTS.

THE, THE, THE MANUAL TIME OF TALKING WITH THE CUSTOMER AND GOING THROUGH THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE FINER POINTS OF THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TIME AND THAT'S, THAT'S A LABOR COST.

SO, UM, I DON'T EVEN BEGIN TO ESTIMATE THAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS FOR COUNCIL.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO OPT IN WHEN WE'RE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THOSE MANUFACTURERS THAT WE HAVE? I, THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S JUST AFTER IT'S PERMIT APPLICATION TO, TO REQUEST THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL TOOK ONE STEP.

THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF OUR STRATEGY ON WATER MANAGEMENT, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE TIER GRADES, AND THIS IS TESTING SOMETHING ELSE AND I'LL BE GETTING SOMETHING MORE COMPREHENSIVE TO Y'ALL PRETTY SOON THIS WEEK.

ONE THING WE COULD DO, WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME, SOME RESEARCH INTERNALLY IS, IS THERE AN IDEAL, BEST PRACTICE, UH, TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S EASY TO PROGRAM INSTEAD OF THIS, IT'S SO COMPLICATED.

I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT PLUGGED IN.

THAT'S KIND OF THE THEME THAT WE GET RECURRING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD AT LEAST PROVIDE A SPECIFICATION OR RECOMMENDATION OR IF THERE'S ENOUGH VENDORS TO DO SO, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.

IT'S GOING TO BE COST AND AVAILABILITY RIGHT NOW WITH THE EVENT.

AND THEN I'M SURE THERE'S SHIPS MANY SHIPS FLOATING OFF SHORE THAT ARE ON THE SUPPLY CHAIN, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT TIME I GOT.

I HAVE ONE SUGGESTION JUST, UM, I'VE BEEN HERE NOW OVER ALL INSPECTIONS AND EVERYTHING TO, UM, NO ONE EXTRA THING TO, I MEAN, RIGHT.

I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL OF OUR PAST PROBLEMS AND KNOWING WHAT'S OUT THERE, BUT AS FAR AS ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GO IN, I MEAN, UH, AN INSPECTION, IT WOULD TAKE TWO SECONDS ON THE WAY OUT TO GO CHECK OFF WHAT, WHAT MANUFACTURING IRRIGATION SYSTEM WAS IF WE REALLY NEEDED IT.

AND WE, WE, WE, WE INSPECT OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS EVEN THAT, SO, SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF WORKS ON ADMINISTRATIVELY TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY PART OF OUR PROCESS, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION.

UM, FROM THE HOME BUILDERS, MAYBE, MAYBE A SURVEY CAN DO THAT.

WE'RE LIKE 15 PHONE CALLS TO THE DIFFERENT BUILDERS WOULD PROBABLY FIGURE IT OUT PRETTY QUICK TOO.

IT'S NOT WHAT THE BUILDERS ARE PUTTING IN, WHO ARE INSTALLING IRRIGATION OR MAYBE UPGRADING THEIR SYSTEMS TODAY ARE UTILIZING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT.

AND, AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING IF THERE'S A COMMONALITY AMONG THE MANUFACTURERS, MAYBE THERE'S ONLY AMONG THE BUILDERS, THERE'S ONLY FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT TYPES THAT DOES GIVE US OR THREE THAT DOES GIVE US, UM, NOW, UH, SORT OF A GROUND GAME TO ESTABLISH SOME PSYCHOEDUCATION SPECIFIC TO THOSE SYSTEMS. SO CERTAINLY THAT'S PART OF OUR GOAL TO, AND MIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE CHRIS CAN ANSWER THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY THAT NOW RUN OFF OF APPS AND THAT WOULD BE MAKING EVEN MORE TWO.

SO YES, NO.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE ABILITY TO PROBABLY NOT PUTTING THAT IN.

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I MEAN, THERE'S A DOZEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF SYSTEMS THAT PEOPLE CAN INSTALL AND EVEN THEN THEY MAY NOT BE PROGRAMMING THEM.

THEY MAY BE TRYING TO SET THOSE AND FORGET THOSE TWO.

SO, UH, THIS DOES COVER MORE THAN JUST WHAT THE BUILDS ARE DOING, BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US A MUCH LARGER VOLUME TO COVER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? NOTHING.

THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION.

I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH MORE INFORMATION.

IT MAY NOT BE AT A MEETING, BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE WANT TO PREPARE FOR MAYBE A LARGER REQUEST AND WE'LL BRING HIM BACK AT THAT TIME, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY KEEP COUNTING.

THE EDUCATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT EARLIER, BUT IT WAS NOT, THIS WAS THE ITEM YOU WERE SAYING.

I MEAN, WE HAD A VERY, VERY, VERY HIGH USAGE BECAUSE OF WHAT THE BUILDER SET IT ON.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S SATURATED AND EVERYTHING TAKES ROOT.

AND I WOULD SAY NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, NOBODY EVER CHANGES THAT THING OF WHAT I KNOW ABOUT HOMEOWNERS.

SO I HAD TO GO TEACH MYSELF AND I WAS INTIMIDATED BY IT.

AND I DO THIS.

MY CONSTRUCTION GUY USUALLY DOES, BUT I WAS INTIMIDATED BY IT TOO.

I LEARNED IT AND I CUT IT LIKE WAY LESS THAN HALF OF WHERE EVERYTHING WAS.

SO EDUCATION IS SUPER IMPORTANT ONE.

MOISTURE SETTINGS, RAIN, SENSORS, SEASONAL CHANGES.

SURE.

AND AS A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, WHO'S TINKERED WITH A ASSISTANT THAT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN IT FIRST WAS INSTALLED, I HAD MY OWN SETTINGS WERE OVERRIDING WHAT I WAS DOING.

I MEAN, THESE SYSTEMS CAN BE PRETTY SMART.

I'LL PUT THAT IN QUOTES SMARTER THAN ME.

AND, UM, I HAD TROUBLES NAVIGATING THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT I WAS FOLLOWING WHAT THE CITY STANDARDS WERE AND BEING CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

SO I COULD CERTAINLY SEE CUSTOMERS, UM, EITHER BEING CHALLENGED WITH THAT, OR MAYBE JUST NOT WANTING TO MESS WITH IT.

SO, UH, IF THIS, UH, AT LEAST HELPS A HUNDRED CUSTOMERS IN THIS PILOT PROGRAM, WE CAN COME UP WITH A GAME PLAN THAT MAY, MAYBE COULD HELP MORE IN THE FUTURE.

[32. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05 Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding the Parkside Peninsula project. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding the Parkside Peninsula project.]

ITEM 32.

CONVENIENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN SECTION 1.05, TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING THE PARKSIDE PENINSULA PROJECT.

WE ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE AT NINE 15.

GOING ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER, CLOSING COMMENTS, PLACE ONE.

THE COUNCIL WILL NOW RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION AT 9:31 PM TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING PARKSIDE PENINSULA, PROJECT MAYOR PRO TEM.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION.

[33. Council Member Closing Statements.]

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR CITY, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF, UH, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WAS ANOTHER GREAT SUCCESS.

THIS WAS MY THIRD, THIRD YEAR TO PARTICIPATE.

AND I HAVE TO SAY IT IS THE ABSOLUTE, MOST FUN THING THAT WE GET TO DO ON COUNCIL, IN MY OPINION, UH, IT, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER AND US TO SAY, THANK YOU AND MEET NEW NEIGHBORS.

THE ONLY THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT IS LEANDRA HAS GROWN SO MUCH.

WE CAN NOT GET AROUND TO ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THING I WISH WE NEED TO DO THIS TWO OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR, ONCE A QUARTER, JUST NATIONAL NIGHT OUT FOUR TIMES.

AND MAYBE WE'LL JUST TAKE IT IN SEGMENTS AND WE CAN GET OUT AND SAY, SAY HI TO EVERYBODY.

SO THANKS FOR EVERYBODY THAT PARTICIPATED.

SORRY IF WE MISSED YOU.

AND, UH, WE'LL TRY IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

UH, THANK YOU ALSO TO LPD FOR TAKING US AROUND ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

GOOD NIGHT, PLEASE.

TO, SO I THINK WITH COVID BEING DOWN AND HALLOWEEN, WE'VE HAD KIND OF TWO CANCELED HALLOWEEN.

SO JUST ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO GO TO PUMPKIN PATCHES LOCALLY AND LEANDER THERE'S PUMPKIN PATCHES.

I THINK THERE'S SOME HAUNTED HOUSES AT GLEN HIGH SCHOOL.

I'VE, I'VE HEARD, UM, IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN AND THAT'S COMING UP AND I BELIEVE TEXAS HUMANE HEROES ALSO HAS A PET ADOPTION EVENT IN LAKEWOOD PARK ON OCTOBER 23RD.

SO HAPPY HALLOWEEN PLAYS THREE PLAYS FOR GOODNIGHT.

EVERYBODY PLAYS FIVE.

I'M GLAD THAT, SO I GOT REALLY FIRED UP FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER.

THOMPSON'S DAD TO DO OUR PRAYER TONIGHT.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN AND TO HAVE YOUR DAD DO THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WAS, THAT WAS AWESOME.

I'LL PASS HIM THE MESSAGE.

EVERYONE NEEDS FOR, TO WONDER ABOUT THAT TOO.

I WONDER ALL OF US, ALL OF US.

ALRIGHT.

PLAY SIX.

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IT WAS GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY AND, UM, ALL THE FUN AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THANK YOU.