[1. Call to Order.]
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AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF LEANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28TH, 2021.
THE TIME IS 7:00 PM AND WE ARE CALLED TO ORDER AT THE, UM, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER MEHAN.
[3. Director’s report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on actions taken by the City Council at the October 21, 2021 meeting]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DIRECTOR OF, UM, GOOD EVENING.I'M REPORTING ON ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
DURING THE OCTOBER 21ST MEETING, THEY REVIEWED TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WERE AFFORDED TO THEM BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE WILDFIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THEY HELD THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT CASE AND THEY DID APPROVE THE REQUEST AND THEY ALSO COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE M RANCH ZONING CASE.
UM, THAT'S IT FOR THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 21ST.
I ALSO WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON A TUESDAY INSTEAD OF A THURSDAY BECAUSE OF THE VETERAN'S DAY HOLIDAY.
[4. Review of meeting protocol.]
AT THIS TIME, REVIEW THE MEETING PROTOCOL AND GO WITH CITIZENS' COMMENTS.IF YOU HAVE TURNED IN A CARD AND WANTED TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS THE TIME DID ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
THEN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER SIX THROUGH EIGHT AS WRITTEN, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY,
[9. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-008 to adopt the Hampton Park Concept Plan on one parcel of land approximately 17.302 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032337; generally located on the north side of CR 264, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-008 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.NUMBER NINE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 0 8 TO ADOPT THE HAMPTON PARK CONCEPT PLAN ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 17.302 ACRES, MORE OR LESS IN SIZE AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED.
UM, GENERALLY LOCATED TO THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD, 2 64, LEANDRA WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION, EVEN IN COMMISSIONERS, MICHAEL CHANESKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NOW, SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 2, 1 2 0.005 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE APPROVAL BY THE MUNICIPALITY IS REQUIRED SINCE THE CONCEPT PLAN SATISFIES THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS WITHOUT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
IF NOT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF DISAPPOINT FRIED ITEM NUMBER NINE? OKAY.
AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED, IF YOU'LL FILL OUT A CARD AND HAND IT IN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 1 21 COUNTY ROAD, 2 64.
I AM ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, I'M GLAD THAT YOU MADE THE ZONING CHANGE TO MAKE IT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
I FIND THAT MUCH PREFERABLE TO COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE OUR LITTLE STREET CURRENTLY HAS SEVEN RESIDENCES ON IT AND IT'S, UH, KINDA NARROW KIND OF, UM, OLD DILAPIDATED STREET.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 17 HOUSES BASED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONE.
UM, PLUS ALL THE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF OUR STREET DURING THE PROCESS OF BUILDING.
SO I THINK THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR STREETS TO KEEP IT SAFE.
I HAVE A 16 YEAR OLD JUST STARTING TO DRIVE AND SAFETY IS A BIG WORRY FOR ME.
THE OTHER THING IS I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IN MORE UTILITIES, LIKE, UM, EXTRA WATER AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, MY OTHER CONCERN REGARDING SAFETY IS WE HAVE A FAIRLY DIFFICULT TIME TURNING OUT ON THE RONALD REAGAN AS IT IS NOW.
UM, AND I COMMEND THE CITY FOR REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT ON RONALD REAGAN IN THAT AREA BETWEEN HERE AWAY AND JUST, UM, OVER THE TOP OF THE HILL, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ENFORCED.
AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT IN FORCE AND ESPECIALLY AS A BRINGING IN, UM, ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS.
DID ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE AT THIS POINT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONER HINES,
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UM, MRS. GRIFFIN, THE ZONING THAT IS ON THIS PROPERTY HASN'T CHANGED OF LATE, HAS IT? IT HAS NOT.YOU DID REVIEW A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, BUT THAT'S THE DISTRICT THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
UM, I'M SURE SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS CAN CHIME IN ON THIS AS WELL.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, JUST TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE MEMBER, UM, THE UTILITIES THAT SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO PUT IN THERE, UH, THE, THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA, THOSE, THOSE COME IN AT DIFFERENT STAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO MEET BY GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE GOING IN FOR PERMITTING AND THAT SORT OF THING TO WORK THROUGH A NUMBER OF THOSE ISSUES.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS ABOUT AS CLOSE TO PROFORMA AS WE GET HERE, THIS IS A CASE WHERE THE ZONING IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND THEY ARE EFFECTIVELY TELLING US THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DEVELOP IT ACCORDING TO THE ZONING AND WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE.
THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE SEE AT THIS STAGE.
SO WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IS CHECK IN WITH STAFF AFTER OUR PLANNING STAFF, AFTER THE MEETING, OR SEND AN EMAIL, UM, AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT WILL HELP YOU ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT I, I, I DIDN'T TELL HER TO DO THAT FOR ME.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD START GIVING ME A TIMER AND IT WOULD BENEFIT ALL OF US.
I HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE, COMMISSIONER STYLES, ROBIN, UM, KENNY ROAD TO 6 64, PARTIALLY INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
AND PARTIALLY A COUNTY ROAD IS OVER, IT'S ALL INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
SO WHEN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WAS ANNEX, THEY ALSO ANNEX THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS IS ALL MAINTENANCES ON THE CITY NOW.
ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE ANY PLANS TO RENAME THESE ROADS NOW THAT THEIR CITY ROAD THAT'S TYPICAL? WHERE WOULD YOU COME FORWARD WITH A CHANGE TO THE NAME? I JUST THINK IT'S A SMALL ROAD AND WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT WHO WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS AND THE LADIES, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
SO WHO DOES TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS? WELL, IS THERE ANY, OR IS THERE ANY PLANS TO EXTEND THE, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER? SO IT IT'S A ROAD THAT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
SO THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME IN WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT THE NEXT STEP.
IS THAT GETS SHARED WITH THE, UM, PEOPLE WITHIN THE AREA OR NOT TYPICALLY.
SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS DO NOT HAVE ANY INPUT IN ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A CODE OR WHAT THE CITY BUILT IT UP TO CODE.
WE HAVE A, A STREET SECTION WE WOULD CALL UP.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON COMMISSIONER GIRL.
THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MOTION TO HER MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[10. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-009 to adopt the Leander Estates Concept Plan on three parcels of land approximately 210.6 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R560185 and R560184; and Travis Central Appraisal District Parcel 905245; generally located at the northwest corner of CR 280 and the future extension of Lakeline Blvd., Leander, Williamson and Travis Counties, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-009 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
MOVING ON TO ITEM, NUMBER 10, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 0 9 TO ADOPT LEANDRA STATES CONCEPT PLAN ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 210.6 ACRES, MORE OR LESS THAN SIZE, AND GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80 IN THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF LAKELINE BOULEVARD, THE ANDREW WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION, COMMISSIONER'S MICHAEL TENACITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.UH, SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS AND PURSUANT TO SECTION TWO AND 2.005 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE APPROVAL BY THE MUNICIPALITY IS REQUIRED SINCE THE CONCEPT PLAN SATISFIES THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS WITHOUT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES 158 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS AND 2.25 ACRES OF PARKLAND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, UH, WHICH IS IN REGARDS TO THE NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM THAT A NOTE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN WILL BE UPDATED TO STATE THAT THIS PLAN WILL COMPLY WITH THE UPDATED TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UH, ASSUMING THAT THE NEXT ONE IS APPROVED AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HERE.
DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? GOOD EVENING.
I'M UH, ERIC VAN WITH JONES CARTER
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ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT, UH, THE DEVELOPER.I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION TO SHARE.
JUST IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE, UM, AS A STAFF MENTIONED, WERE COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE SONY REGULATIONS, WE'RE PROPOSING A HUNDRED FIFTY EIGHT, ONE ACRE LOTS.
[2. Roll Call.]
THEY'LL ALL BE ONE.IT WILL BE A ONE ACRE LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THUS FAR.
AT THIS POINT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UH, I'M GOING TO READ OFF THE, UH, PERSON WANTING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THAT THEY WERE FOR THIS ITEM.
LISA SEMANS AT 2 0 6 5 COUNTY ROAD TWO 80, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU'LL STEP UP AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
FIRST UP IS KAREN HAYDEN HI, MY NAME IS KAREN HAYDEN.
I LIVE AT 1, 2, 3 MESA VISTA DRIVE, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM ACROSS FROM THIS PROPERTY AND THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO THE PLAN ITSELF.
MY CONCERN, AS WELL AS YOU'LL HEAR FROM SELLER, SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS IS AGAIN, THE ROADS, UH, THAT SECTION OF TWO 80, ESPECIALLY ONCE YOU PASS GREAT WOODS, IT'S BARELY ONE CAR LENGTH WIDE.
IF YOU CAN GET BOTH OF YOUR WHEELS ON THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME WITHOUT BEING IN A POTHOLE, BUT IT'S A GAME OF PLAYING, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN EVERY TIME YOU COME OUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AGAIN, 17 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, WHO'S LOOKING AT HER LEARNER'S PERMIT AND IT'S QUITE SCARY ME DRIVING ON THE ROAD WHEN THERE'S TRUCKS, FEDEX TRUCKS, UM, NOT A SAFE SITUATION.
SO I'M PRIMARILY THE ROAD ON TWO 80 IS JUST NOT ADEQUATE FOR EXISTING TRAFFIC, MUCH LESS, ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED HOMES IN CARS.
UM, IT'S GOT TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO FIT A CAR AND A HALF WITHOUT GOING INTO THE TREES EVERY TIME YOU PASS ANOTHER CAR.
UM, THE SECOND CONCERN THAT I HAVE, IT'S I THINK MORE RELATED TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
THERE'S THESE ARROWS ON THIS DRAWING AS WELL AS ON THE OTHER ONES THAT SAY ACCESS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
AND WHAT'S CONCERNING TO ME ON THE SUBSEQUENT ONE IS SOME YELLOW LINES THAT WERE DRAWN ON THOSE THAT APPEAR TO BE GOING THROUGH MY YARD OVER MY SEPTIC TANK, OVER MY NEIGHBORS, PLUS AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF TWO 80, UM, ACROSS OTHER NEIGHBORS YARDS.
UM, SO WHEN I CALLED AND TALKED TO SOMEONE AT PLANNING AND ZONING EARLIER IN THE WEEK, I WAS INFORMED THAT, UM, THAT WAS EXISTING CITY OF LEANDER TRANSPORTATION PLAN ALREADY APPROVED, NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPER'S PLAN.
AND MY POINT IN BEING HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, THAT I KNOW THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 10 OR 20 YEARS, UM, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A VIABLE ROUTE WHERE THOSE YELLOW LINES ARE RIGHT THERE, THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO GO AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED, UM, YET, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE GOING RIGHT ACROSS OUR, OUR SEPTIC TANKS AND WHATNOT.
SO ANYWAY, UH, PLEASE CONSIDER REWRITING THE ROADS AND MAKING THEM WIDER, I GUESS IS MY POINT.
IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT FOUR 12 MESA RODNEY DRIVE IN MESA VISTA STATES JUST ON THE ROAD ON TWO 80, UM, IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AS KAREN.
UH, WE SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS.
UM, I, I DO APPROVE OF THESE DEVELOPED TWO NEW DEVELOPMENTS, BOTH HILLTOP AND LEANDRA STATES, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING.
UM, THE BIG CONCERN IS COUNTY ROAD TWO 80, WHICH, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CHINESE AND CHAPMAN PARKS ITEMS THAT CAME THROUGH HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT'S THE SAME DISCUSSION.
UM, I KNOW IN THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT LEANDER HAS, UM, TWO 80 AS A COLLECTOR ROAD IN THEIR PLAN.
UM, SO ITEM YOU IN THE, IN THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, AND OUR CONCERN IS JUST THAT THE TIMING OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ROAD UP TO THE COLLECTOR STATUS, RIGHT? UM, IT IS THE ONLY ACCESS WE HAVE TO OUR HOMES.
UM, THERE, EXCUSE ME, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT.
UM, AND IT IS A ONE LANE ROAD.
SO, AND NOT ONLY THAT IT'S BOUNDED BY TREES AND SOME OF OUR HERITAGE TREES AND WHATNOT.
SO JUST THE CONCERN OF WHEN THE TIMING OF BEING ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD WITHOUT US LOSING ACCESS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE BIG CONCERN.UM, AND, UM, NOT SO MUCH THIS ONE, BUT I KNOW THE HILLTOP ONE THAT I'VE SIGNED TO SPEAK ON AS WELL, BUT, UM, HAS REROUTING OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 OFF OF THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO, UM, THESE ARE BOTH THIS PLAN AND THE HILLTOP ONE HAVE IT USING THE EXISTING RIGHT AWAY AND EXPANDING ON THAT.
AND I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT, UH, BUT I'M JUST MENTIONING THAT IT IS A DEVIATION FROM WHAT THE MASTER PLAN SAYS AND A QUESTION AS TO HOW THAT WOULD THEN EXTEND.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND OR BRING UP TO 80.
UM, I KNOW THE DEVELOPERS ARE GENERALLY ON THE HOOK FOR THEIR, THEIR BOUNDARY ROADS, BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR TWO 80 ALL THE WAY BACK TO BAGHDAD, WHICH ALSO NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP ACCORDING TO MASTER PLAN TO COLLECT THEIR STATUS.
SO THAT'S NEXT UP IS JENNY BURDEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M AT 2175 COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80, SO DIRECTLY, ALMOST ADJACENT TO THIS AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.
UM, SAME AS MY NEIGHBORS SHARING PRETTY GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE UNSAFE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.
I KNOW THAT LAND WILL EVENTUALLY BE EXTENDED THROUGH, UM, TO ME, IDEALLY THESE DEVELOPMENTS WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THERE WERE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS BECAUSE AS STEVE POINTED OUT, IF THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON ON OUR ROAD, WE'RE GOING TO GET STUCK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR STUCK OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S ALREADY SCARY ENOUGH WHEN A FEDEX TRUCK COMES AROUND THE CORNER, UM, MUCH LESS A ROCK TRUCK OR ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND THEN ALSO BEING A PROPERTY THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE.
ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, RIGHT NOW THESE PROPERTIES ARE GRADED A LITTLE BIT ABOVE OURS, JUST FROM THE NATURAL SLOPE OF THE LAND, BECAUSE IT'S NATURAL LAND.
IT ABSORBS ALL THE WATER, BUT I HAVE A PRETTY BIG CONCERN ABOUT ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, IF THEN THAT STORMWATER WILL BE COMING INTO MY PROPERTY AND THEN LISA SIMMONS HIS PROPERTY NEXT TO MINE.
UM, SO JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT AS CONCERN.
UM, AND THEN LET'S SEE IN MY NOTES, UM, AND ALSO JUST, I, THIS IS PROBABLY PART OF A DEVELOPER'S PLAN, BUT JUST PRIVACY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM MY HOUSE AND LISA'S HOUSE, UM, THE WIDTH OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
SO IF THERE'S HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT UP TO THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY THIS ACCESS POINT, THAT'S IN THE LOWER LEFT POINT THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM LISA'S DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO SHE WAS HOPING SOMEBODY WOULD BRING UP THAT THAT'S NOT COOL.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC CAUSE I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LIKE HEADLIGHTS AND EVERYTHING RIGHT INTO HER FRONT WINDOW.
UM, SO IF THERE'S POSSIBLY A WAY TO VARY THAT, PUT THAT ACCESS POINT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ALSO WITH POINTING OUT, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF HERITAGE TREES.
THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY BIG, NICE TREES.
SO JUST HOPING, EXPRESSING CONCERN AND HOPING THAT DEVELOPER WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND KEEP AS MUCH OF THAT GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE AGAIN FOR THE BIODIVERSITY AND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL THOSE NICE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE BENEFITS.
IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANYBODY ELSE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK TO, IS ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF, OKAY, IF YOU ALL STEP FORWARD, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU NEED TO FILL OUT THE CARD AND TURN THAT DOWN.
UH, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA SCOGGINS.
YOU'VE HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS.
UM, I DID, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, HAD MENTIONED BEFORE I HAD COME BEFORE YOU OTHER USE, UH, TO TALK ABOUT COUNTY ROAD TWO 80.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, AS I ASKED THE OTHER USE, HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN OUT TO COUNTY ROAD TWO 80? THANK YOU.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID THE FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN WE DID COME HERE AT THE TIME, THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, UM, THE SECOND PART OF THAT GREAT WOULD DEVELOPMENT, UM, SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE WAS GOING TO FALL ON THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX COUNTY ROAD TWO 80.
AND, UH, THAT NEVER HAPPENED AS YOU HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS.
SO MY QUESTION QUITE FRANKLY, IS WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT ON COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80? CAUSE YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT HOW NARROW IT IS, HOW BROKEN UP IT IS.
THOSE TWO OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN ON THERE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, WHO GETS IT, WHO, WHO WANTS TO CLAIM IT? DO WE KNOW WE CAN'T HAVE A TWO WAY CONVERSATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FIGHTING AND AT THIS POINT A LOSING BATTLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THEM? IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER COTTAGE GROVE.I THINK MOST OF US HAVE BEEN ON, ON TWO 80.
WE'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO YOU.
UM, IT IT'S BEEN A MESS FOR AWHILE, UH, BUT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED HERE WILL BE ADDRESSED LATER ON IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, IN TERMS OF THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKED TO DO.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THIS, I, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ASKING QUESTIONS ON THE NEXT, BUT IN TERMS OF THIS I'M GOOD COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I DO HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERNS AND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, I CAN SEE SOME REAL ISSUES WITH BEING OUT THERE AND HAVING WORK DONE ON THAT ROAD WHILE THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET ACCESS.
SO I'M SURE THAT THE CITY, IT TAKES ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU STAY OUT OF YOUR HOUSE FOR SIX MONTHS WHILE THEY DO THE ROAD URBAN.
OTHER THAN THAT, NO, I THINK IT'S CORRECT.
MR. HAMPTON, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS ONE COMMISSIONER STYLES.
I'D LIKE AGAIN, TO ASK ROBIN, THEY'VE RAISED SOME VERY VALID CONCERNS.
COULD YOU ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS FOR THEM? I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS JUST AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD.
UM, SO I TOOK A FEW, A FEW NOTES.
UM, FIRST THE, THE ARROWS SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE END LOCATION OF THE ROAD CONNECTIONS.
IT'S JUST SHOWING WHERE THEY WOULD EXTEND A ROADWAY.
SO WHEN THE ARROW GOES TO THE WEST, THAT DOESN'T MEAN A ROADS GOING ON, SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
IT JUST MEANS THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUNCH A ROAD OUT.
SO IF THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR DEVELOPS IN THE FUTURE, IT CAN CONNECT.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION, UM, MASTER PLAN.
I GUESS WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SIDE, WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE EXHIBITS.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO WHEN IT SHOWS A YELLOW LINE GOING THROUGH SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, THE CITY'S NOT PUTTING A ROAD THROUGH SOMEONE'S PROPERTY.
SO WHEN THAT PROPERTY REDEVELOPS, THAT'S WHEN A ROAD WOULD BE EXTENDED AS PART OF THAT, UM, THE CR TWO 80 IMPROVEMENT TIMING, I WAS HERE FOR THE GREAT WOODS SOUTH DISCUSSION, UM, WITH TWO 80, GREAT WITH SOUTH IS COMING BACK.
THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD SO THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THE ISSUE.
UM, WHEN THIS DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY HAVE TO DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY TO TWO 80 AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TOWARDS THE IMPROVEMENTS AND I'M GOING TO GET WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD ADDRESS AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, LIKE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.
CAUSE THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY ACCESS.
I THINK THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN HAVING A GOOD ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLATS AND THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAD ON MY LIST.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NOT JUST YET.
THAT'S A GOOD SHOT HERITAGE TREES.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PASSED TO SHOW ALL HERITAGE TREES AND Y'ALL GET TO REVIEW THAT AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE A PART IN APPROVING ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ASK THEM ON THE NEXT ONE, CONTINUE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
THEY'RE VERY, VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR AND PART OF HER CAMPAIGN WAS THAT SHE POINTED OUT SOME OF THE CRITICISMS OR PREDECESSORS, UH, WAS THAT, UM, PRIOR COUNCILS THAT APPROVED SUBDIVISIONS BEFORE BUILDING OR EXPANDING THE ROADS NEEDED TO SERVICE THEM.
NOW, THESE ARE ALL GOOD QUESTIONS.
AND ROBIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, MR. HINES.
I AM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED AND THERE WASN'T MUCH OF A LEGEND ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO I'M JUST WANTING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GREEN STRIP THAT RUNS AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS, DO WE KNOW SET A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, THERE'S A REQUIRED LANDSCAPE LOT ADJACENT TO TWO 80 AND THE ROAD ON THE EAST.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INTENT WAS FOR THE REST OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT OR AND THE, UH, THE VERTICAL HATCHED GRAY LINE THAT RUNS UP, UM, BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND GREATWOOD WHAT IS THAT? YEAH.
CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC? OKAY.
UM, SO I THINK MOST OF MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS ARE ALSO GOING TO BE PRINCIPALLY IN THE NEXT DISCUSSION WITH THE, UM, ROAD REALIGNMENT OR RATHER THE CONCEPTUAL REALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD.
UM, I WILL, I WILL ASK ABOUT THE TIMING IF YOU WILL, WHEN SOMEONE BUILDS A ROAD.
I MEAN, MY, ONE OF THESE THINGS ABOUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TRANSPORTATION
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PLAN AND IT GOES SMACK THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF YOUR PROPERTY, LIKE RIGHT SMACK THROUGH MIDDLE OF YOUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT I'M ASKING GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND YOU GO TO DEVELOP THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.YOU DON'T PAY A FEE, YOU BUILD THE ROAD.
SO THEN WE RUN INTO THESE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE OFTENTIMES WE HAVE STREETS GET, OR CONCEPTUAL STATE STREETS GET REALIGNED TO PROPERTY LINES.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I THINK THAT, WELL, ACTUALLY, UM, THE PREVIOUS CASE OVER HERE, CHAPMAN PARKS HAD SOME OF THAT, I THINK WITH LAKE LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ONE OF THE LAKELINE ALIGNMENTS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT LIKE HALF OF THE ROAD WAS GOING TO GET BUILT.
I THINK ACTUALLY THAT HAPPENED WITH THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF LAKELINE.
MAYBE IT WAS LIKE PART OF IT GOT BUILT.
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ANY PORTION OF IT IS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
WHEN YOU DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO BUILD WHATEVER PORTION OF IT IS ON YOUR PROPERTY, HALF OF THE LANE MILES OR WHATEVER, YOU HAVE TO BE PRACTICAL BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THAT WOULD BE ONE LANE AND YOU CAN'T BUILD A, A ONE LANE ROAD SUCCESSFULLY.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, COLLECTS ROADWAY, ADEQUACY FEES, UM, AND THOSE FEES GO TOWARDS THE EVENTUAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, I THINK YOUR TROUT LAKELINE, WHERE IT WENT THROUGH BY MASON HILLS, UM, RIGHT WHERE WE JUST DID TWO LANES, THAT WAS A JOINT PROJECT WITH KB HOMES AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
SO THERE'S TWO MORE LANES TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
WE HAVE HAD CASES WHERE THEY TAKE ALL THE FUNDS AND PUT IT TOWARDS, UM, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT TO GET A PIECE BUILT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'LL WORK THROUGH WITH ENGINEERING.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING LIKE ONE OF THE OPTIONS IF WE'RE JUST BEING COMPLETELY CLEAR HERE IS THAT IF IT DOESN'T RUN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE PROPERTY SO THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THE ENTIRE THING, IF IT'S ON A PROPERTY LINE, IF, AS YOU SAID FROM A PRACTICAL LEVEL, THEY WOULD ONLY BE BUILDING HALF OF IT.
THERE IS A SITUATION IN WHICH ENGINEERING MAY COME TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ONE LANE MAKES NO SENSE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FEE AND NOT BUILD ANYTHING UNTIL THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER SIDE COMES IN.
THAT IS A REALISTIC POSSIBILITY.
WE'RE NO, UM, IT COULD BE ON THIS ONE.
BOTH SIDES COMING IN FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK THAT HELPS A LOT, BUT THE ENGINEER HAS TO USE GOOD JUDGMENT WHEN MAKING THAT DECISION.
WE'LL TALK MORE IN THE NEXT ONE.
OH, MY CONCERNS WERE ADDRESSED.
SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE IN A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY, MOVE
[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Amendment Case 21-CPA-007 to amend the Transportation Master Plan to allow an alternate alignment of CR 280 and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-010 to adopt the Hilltop Ranch Concept Plan on one parcel of land approximately 105.064 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R560473; generally located southeast of CR 280 and Council Springs Pass, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Amendment Case 21-CPA-007 as described above. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-010 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
ON TO ITEM.NUMBER 11, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING COMPREHEND HINTS OF PLAN AMENDMENT CASE 21, CPA 0 0 7.
TO AMEND THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN TO ALLOW THE ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21 0
AND GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 AND COUNCIL SPRINGS PASS THE ANDREW WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION, MICHAEL CHANESKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
AND THERE'S A TYPO AFTER THAT.
UM, THE APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADJUST THE CONCEPT PLAN.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES 84 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT INCLUDES RELOCATING COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 THE RIGHT OF WAY, AS YOU HAVE HEARD IN THE LAST PREVIOUS CASE.
SO THE ORIGINAL, UH, LOCATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN RAN THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND THEN CONTINUED, UH, WEST.
AND THEN, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS ASKING TO KEEP IT ALONG THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT AND THEN BASICALLY MEET UP WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
UH, MY NAME IS JOSEPH I'M WITH, UH, REPUBLIC ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, THE BIGGEST ITEM ON HERE IS, IS GOING TO BE WITH THIS NEW ALIGNMENT OF THIS ROAD.
UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT WERE HAD WITH THE CITY AND THEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THROUGH EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS AND, AND WHERE TO MOVE THIS ALIGNMENT.
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ALIGNMENT, UH, DID NOT MAKE MUCH SENSE JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS NO, UM, AVAILABILITY TO PUT RIGHT AWAY THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES.UM, IF YOU LOOK, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS TO THE NEXT STREET OVER TO THE WEST, UM, YOU'RE KIND OF SPLITTING BETWEEN, AND I THINK A FEW OF THOSE EVEN GO THROUGH HOUSES.
UM, SO IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WAS VERY VIABLE SOLUTION.
SO, UH, MOVING IT TO THE NORTH ON THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, UM, WAS THE BEST THING WE COULD THINK OF, UM, AS COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80 MOVES FURTHER WEST.
UM, THE ALIGNMENT PAST THAT POINT, UM, IS, IS KIND OF OPEN A LITTLE BIT TO, UM, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE WAS JUST A PROJECTION OF, OF WHAT WE THINK COULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION, UM, WITH LOOKING AT SOME, SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA AND AVOIDING A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
THIS POINT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, LISA SEMANS WAS FOR THIS ITEM AND WE'LL THROW A LOOP TO THEM.
WE WILL GO IN OPPOSITE ORDER THIS TIME.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
JENNY BURDEN, 2175 COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80.
UM, I DID WANT TO JUST KIND OF REITERATE, SO THERE'S THIS PLAN, THE PREVIOUS PLAN WE JUST DISCUSSED AND NOW ALSO GREAT WITH SOUTH THAT'S OVER 300 HOMES GETTING ADDED TO THIS ROAD.
SO AGAIN, JUST GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DOING ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION BEFORE COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 HAS AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS SUCH AS LAKELINE OR ANY OTHER, UM, ALIGNMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE MEETING UP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW TRAFFIC IS ALREADY TERRIBLE GETTING OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S GLEN HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM BAGHDAD.
THERE'S ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM LIBERTY HILL.
SO ALREADY JUST OUR 15 HOMES PLUS GRAY WOOD.
IT CAN TAKE SEVERAL MINUTES TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, BIG CONCERN AGAIN ON TRAFFIC.
UM, AND ALSO JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED AND I'M PROBABLY SPEAKING FOR ALL MY NEIGHBORS ON THIS ALIGNMENT, CAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY STILL THROUGH PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, LIKE, UM, AND THE COUNTERINTUITIVE DEAD ENDS INTO A LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC AND THAT'S STILL PRIVATE RESIDENCES.
THERE, THERE IS NO LIKE RIGHT AWAY OPEN.
LET ME SEE WHAT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, STEVEN PROUD OF FOUR 12 MESA GROUNDED DRIVE LEANDER, TEXAS.
YEAH, THE BIG ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WITH THIS IS, UM, LIKE WHEN WE HAD THE FORMER CHAPMAN PARKS IN HERE, ONE THING THEY WERE DOING WAS, UM, WHERE TWO 80 COMES INTO THE LAKELINE INTERSECTION.
THEY WERE THEN REROUTING THROUGH WHAT IS NOW THE HILLTOP ESTATES AND CONNECTING BACK UP WITH THE EXISTING TWO 80 AT THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY, AS OPPOSED TO FOLLOWING THE EXISTING ROAD RAVE TWO 80.
THAT SEEMED TO MAKE MORE SENSE, WHICH WOULD MAKE TWO 80, A SIMPLE INTERSECTION, UM, ON LAKELINE, ONCE LAKELINE IS BUILT WITH THIS ALIGNMENT PLAN, WE NO LONGER WE HAVE TO GET ONTO LAKELINE TO GO SOUTH TO GO TO A LEFT TURN LANE TO GET OUT AND THE SAME THING COMING BACK IN.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DIRECT CROSSING OF LAKELINE TO GET ACCESS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONCE THIS PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE ALIGNMENT OF KEY, I'M NOT GETTING RID OF THE BOTTOM YELLOW LINE.
THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, MAYBE IT CUT THROUGH THE CORNER UP THERE THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
AND THAT MIGHT ALSO BE EASIER, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT NEW ROAD WHILE LEAVING THE EXISTING, ALBEIT CRUMMY SINGLE LANE ROAD WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING, WOULD CERTAINLY BE A BENEFIT AS WELL.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, UH, LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
IF YOU ALL STEP FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, IF YOU WOULD FILL OUT A CARD AND TURN THAT IN.
I, MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHANE GIRL.
UH, HUNTINGWOOD DRIVE IN GREATWOOD.
UM, JUST FIRST TIME SEEING THIS, UH, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BACK WITH SOMEONE WAS ALREADY SAID, UM, AS FAR AS THE REAL ALIGNMENT ON THE WEST SIDE THERE, I DON'T THINK WOULD MAKE SENSE WITH SPLITTING, UM, NOT HAVING A GOOD INTERSECTION AND A CONGRUENT ROAD GOING ACROSS A MAJOR ONE THAT WHAT LAKE LINE EVENTUALLY WILL BE, WOULD MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A TERRIBLE WAY FOR ANYONE LIVING BACK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
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I DIDN'T REALLY SAY MUCH, UM, AS FAR AS TYING INTO BAGHDAD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CASE THAT IT GETS LIKE, IT SHOWS HOPEFULLY WHAT I'M SEEING ON, ON THE SOUTHERN END, THEN THAT WOULD TIE INTO COLLABORATIVE WAY.AND HOPEFULLY, UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH AND, AND, AND START SEEING IF LIGHTS COULD BE DEVELOPED THERE BECAUSE OF THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE LATELY WITH THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH.
NOT ONLY IS IT HARD TO GET OUT, BUT THERE'S ALMOST AN ACCIDENT THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, UM, THAT BACKS AND WHEN IT GETS BACKED UP, YOU'RE OUT THERE FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME.
THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND IT.
UM, YOU'VE GOT HIGH S UH, YOU KNOW, HIGH SCHOOL KIDS COMING OUT OF THEIR PARENTS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE, WHICH USUALLY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC NOW COMING FROM ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NORTH OF THAT AND LIBERTY HILL.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY SOME THAT TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES ABOUT 10 MINUTES TO GET OUT OF THERE.
THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD AND TO JUST DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU LEAVE AND KIND OF WHEN YOU'RE UNFORTUNATELY HIT THAT PROCESS, BUT THE, BUT WHEN THE ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN AND THEN IT HAPPENED QUITE A BIT, I SEE HIM A LOT WHEN I GO HOME.
UM, YOU JUST KIND OF STUCK THERE.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LINE UP WITH COLLABORATIVE WAY.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH WARRANTS, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE, PROBABLY GOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO ALSO PUT A LIGHT THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A FOUR WAY STOP WITH DO THAT.
PRIVATE JUST MAKE THINGS WORSE, BUT IT WOULD A LESSON, A LOT OF PAIN AND SUFFERING, BUT SO I JUST HOPED THAT THAT WOULD BE IN CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN IF YOU GUYS DO GO TO THAT, AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO, ON THE CIP, UM, EXPEDITE IN ANY WAY, THAT'S IT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS POINT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION MR. HINES.
UM, SO I GUESS THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION BEST ASKED FOR MRS. GRIFFIN.
I MEAN, WE, WE DRAW THESE LINES WHEN WE'RE CREATING THOROUGHFARE MAPS, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT ONE POINT AND ANOTHER, RIGHT? THERE'S USUALLY LIKE AN EXISTING INTERSECTION OR SOMEPLACE ALONG A ROAD, WHICH ONE WE WANT TO CREATE ACCESS BETWEEN TWO, TWO PLACES.
AND WHENEVER IT WAS THAT THIS ORIGINAL LINE WAS DRAWN, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THAT STRANGE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL LINE, AT LEAST AS YOU GET DOWN TOWARD, UM, NAMELESS ROAD THAT, THAT VERY LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT EXITS ONTO NAMELESS ROAD THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR ABSOLUTE AGES.
NOW, WE ALWAYS DO SAY THAT PART OF THESE LINES ARE THERE UNDER THE PRESUMPTION THAT THINGS CAN REDEVELOP.
AND WHEN THEY DO, YOU EXTEND THE ROAD ALONG THAT, THAT WAY.
BUT I HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IT IS IMPRACTICAL TO BELIEVE THAT ANY, ANY ALIGNMENT HERE CUTTING THROUGH 12, LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT EVER CREATES A CONNECTION TO NAMELESS ROAD IN MY LIFETIME IS PRETTY SLIM.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I MEAN, WE STILL NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, BUT I'M, I'M FRANKLY WONDERING WHY WE DIDN'T START SAYING, HEY, LOOK, WE KNOW THAT LIVE OAK IS GOING TO GET EXTENDED TO THE NORTH.
WHY DIDN'T WE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET, UM, CR TWO 80 OR RATHER BE, I GUESS, AS A COLLECTOR CLASS ROADWAY, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GET IT BACK TO NAMELESS, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST TAKE IT NORTH WHERE THERE'S LARGER, LOTS OF LIKELY DEVELOPING PROPERTY, UM, AND CONNECT TO LIVE OAK TO PROVIDE OTHER ACCESS OUT THE OTHER DIRECTION.
WHY WAS THAT? NOT WHAT WE WERE THINKING? SO WE, UM, WE HIRED KIMBERLY HORN TO DO A UPDATE TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT THEY FINISHED IN MAY.
AND, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY EVALUATED, UM, A LOT OF THE ROADS AND THE CLASSES OF ROWS AND THEIR LOCATIONS.
UM, CAUSE IT DID FOLLOW THE PREVIOUS ALIGNMENT.
I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT WHY, BUT I DON'T MIND ASKING QUESTIONS AND TRYING TO FIND OUT, I GUESS I'M SAYING, I MEAN, OF COURSE I ALWAYS SAY THAT I AM NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, BASIC LOGIC THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THIS.
AND I'M NOT FEELING LIKE I SEE IT WITH EITHER ONE OF THESE LINES NOW THAT THAT SAID, UM, I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAD MADE COMMENTS ALONG THE LINES OF, OH, IT'D BE SO NICE IF CR CR TO 80 JUST BASICALLY CAME DOWN AND CONNECTED TO WHERE THE SORT OF EXISTING UNIMPROVED ROADWAY IS SO THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE A TURN.
I THINK THAT IS AN UNLIKELY AND IMPRACTICAL OUTCOME HERE, TO BE HONEST, SEE OUR TWO 80, THE NORTHERN EAST WEST SECTION OF IT NOW WHERE IT RUNS INTO THE FUTURE LAKELINE ALIGNMENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A ROUNDABOUT OR SOMETHING WOULD MAKE SENSE THERE SO THAT IT'S CONTINUOUS FLOW, BUT I DON'T REALISTICALLY SEE CUTTING THE CORNER OFF OF ANOTHER FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY, UH, AND MAKING THAT MUCH OF IT, LESS DEVELOPABLE, JUST SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF TURNS TO GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M MENTIONING THIS, NOT, UH,
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YOU KNOW, OUT OF UNKINDNESS, BUT LIKE, REALISTICALLY, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS A DOABLE THING.WHAT I WILL SAY THAT THE BIG CONCERN THAT I HAVE HERE IS ABOUT THE WAY THAT THE ROAD IS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED.
YOU HAVE SAID A GREAT WORD SOUTH IS COMING BACK BEFORE US AT SOME POINT, AND GREATWOOD NORTH, THEY ALREADY PAID THEIR ROADWAY, ADEQUACY FEES FOR THEIR HALF OF THEIR SECTION OF CR TWO 80, CORRECT.
BASICALLY FROM THEIR EASTERN BORDER TO THEIR WESTERN BORDER EFFECTIVELY, THEY WOULD HAVE PAID ABOUT HALF OF THE COST FOR THE ALIGNMENTS CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT ONE.
I THINK THEY HAD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAUSE THEY HAD LAKELINE AND TWO 80 AND THEY HAD A COST PER LOT.
THEY PAID, WHICH STILL GOES TOWARDS THE ROADS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TOTALS TO.
AND SOMETHING ELSE ON, ON THIS ONE, UM, IT'S SCHEDULED FOR THE COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 18TH, CAUSE IT WAS A, A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM ENGINEERING, WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT AND BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT IF, IF WE'RE JUST THINKING ABOUT THE WAY THE PROCESS NORMALLY WORKS, I MEAN, THEY HAVE PAID SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INTENTIONALLY FOR IMPROVING CR TWO 80 AND THE EVENTUAL, UH, LAKELINE PORTION THAT RUNS ALONG THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHEN GREATWOOD SOUTH COMES IN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ROADWAY, ROADWAY ADEQUACIES THAT SHOULD ACCOMPLISH FROM THAT EAST EDGE TO THE WEST EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY, THE ROAD ALIGNMENT, IT SHOULD COVER THEIR COST OF THAT HALF.
SO THEN NOW WE'VE GOT THESE TWO PROPERTIES IN AND WHATEVER THE ALIGNMENT ENDS UP BEING THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE THERE.
AS THEY BEGIN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THEY WILL BE PAYING THEIR ROADWAY, ADEQUACY FEES.
SO PRESUMABLY AS THESE THREE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS BUILD OUT, SEE OUR TWO 80 FROM THE EASTERN EDGE OF GREATWOOD TO THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE CASE THAT WE JUST SAW A MOMENT AGO SHOULD IN THEORY, ALL THE MONEY SHOULD BE THERE TO BUILD THAT ROAD.
IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE ASSESSMENT? UM, SO THEY'RE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR HALF OF IT.
SO THEN THERE, THERE IS SOME RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE CITY TO, TO PAY FOR PART OF IT.
BUT ON THESE FOUR ON THESE FOUR PROPERTIES, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SEGMENTS THAT THESE FOUR PROPERTIES OF BUTTS, WHAT THE EVENTUAL CR TWO 80, I MEAN THE MONEY WILL BE THERE FOR THAT SEGMENT OF IT.
IT SHOULD BE, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE COST AND WHAT WAS COLLECTED WHEN GREG WAS, BUT THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT.
AND I GUESS KIND OF THE POINT I THINK YOU'RE MAKING IS THAT IF YOU, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD, WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPROVE CR TWO 80 FROM THE EASTERN EDGE OF GREATWOOD TO THE WESTERN EDGE OF ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES AND NOT IMPROVE THE AREA FROM THE EASTERN EDGE OF TWO 80 OUT TO BAGHDAD.
AND SO THAT PORTION OF IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM CITY FUNDS.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN.
THIS ARE GOING TO NEED TO LEAN ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT THE FUNDING IS PROVIDED FOR.
IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? OKAY.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOT.
I WOULD SAY THAT I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT RUNNING SOUTH INTO NAMELESS.
I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT'S EVER GOING TO REALISTICALLY HAPPEN.
I REALLY ENJOY MAPS, BUT I REALLY ENJOY THEM A LOT MORE WHEN THEY'RE LABELED, WHAT ARE ALL THESE, THIS IS THE THOROUGHFARE PLANS THAT YOU CAN SEE OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.
SO WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN NICE IF THEY WOULD'VE GIVEN US THIS, THIS IS SIERRA TWO 80 HERE AND THAT'S RUNNING OUT TO BAGHDAD.
AND THEN THIS IS WHERE IT LOOPS BACK TO NAMELESS WAY DOWN, OFF THE SIDE OF THE MAP.
AND THEN THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION IS UP HERE.
DO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT OUT THERE? I REALIZED I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO.
SO I'M JUST TALKING TO MYSELF.
I'M NOT REALLY TALKING TO Y'ALL.
SO WHAT IS THE BOTTOM? WHAT IS THE BOTTOM YELLOW LINE? TELL ME THAT SOUTHERN MOST YELLOW LINE ON THIS MAP IS OF NUMBER OF VARIOUS ALIGNMENTS FOR
SO THIS HATCH THEM RIGHT HERE IS THE CURRENT THAT'S THE CURRENT, WELL, THE CURRENT PROPOSED EXTENSION, AND THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE SAYING WE SHOULD MOVE THE ALIGNMENT TO.
AND WHERE, WHERE IS THE TWO 80 AS IS EXIST RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN IT ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THIS LINE AND THEN IT DEAD ENDS RIGHT THERE.
MICHAEL DID POINTED OUT FOR THE AUDIENCE.
I THINK FOR MICHAEL AND WE HAD SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT SAID, LOOK, TWO 80 IS THE ONLY WAY WE GET OFF OUR PROPERTY, THIS GOING TO CAUSE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, SOME PROBLEMS I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT TOO.
AND I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS MAP NOW MARSHALL'S GOT THE COMPUTER THAT TELLS ME EVERYTHING.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST TALKING TO MYSELF, NOT TO Y'ALL, BUT IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SHAKY FOR, AT LEAST ME UP HERE.
EVERYBODY ELSE PROBABLY GETS IT, BUT I'M SURE A LITTLE BIT OFF ON IT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN MAY HAD COUNTY
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ROAD TWO 80 BEING REALIGNED AND FOLLOWING THIS ROUTE.SO THIS PROPOSAL IS ASKING FOR, UH, THE AMENDMENT TO FOLLOW THIS ROUTE, RIGHT? ARE WE MOVING THIS OR PROPOSING TO MOVE IT TO WHERE IT WILL CAUSE ANY OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE ACCESS PROBLEMS CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE NOW? WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE SITTING OUT HERE SAYING WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE ACCESS AND IT'S COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS ARE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOT THAT CONCERN IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED AND YES, I GET IT.
TWO 80 IS NOT THE BEST ROAD IN THE WORLD.
I'VE TRAVELED IT FOR YEARS AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THEM, BUT ARE WE GOING TO CUT ANYBODY OFF WITH THESE REALIGNMENTS? DO WE KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ENGINEERING QUESTION THAT WE CAN BRING UP AND, UM, PROBABLY FIND, AND IT, IT SHOULDN'T, UM, IT'S NOT GOING TO REMOVE ANYONE'S ROAD ACCESS.
SO IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, THAT MEANS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BUILD A ROAD THROUGH THE CENTER OF HIS PROPERTY AND WON'T PARTICIPATE IN AS MANY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG TWO 80.
SO BASICALLY IT WOULD GO THROUGH THAT MIDDLE SECTION INSTEAD.
SO IT WOULD NOT REMOVE THEIR ROAD.
IT JUST WOULDN'T IMPROVE THEIR ROAD.
BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS LOOKING AT THAT THING RIGHT THERE.
HOPEFULLY THE PEOPLE THAT I'M NOT TALKING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AS WELL, MR. HAMPTON.
SO THEY'D BUILD JUST A MIDDLE ROAD AND NOT HELP OUT ON TWO 80.
THIS STILL REMAINS A DEAD END ROAD.
SO THE, THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CENTER ROAD WHERE THE CURRENT PLAN? YEAH.
SO THE ONLY PIECE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD JUST GO TO THE EDGE AND END.
WHICH I JUST FEEL LIKE POINTING OUT IF YOU FOLLOW THE CURRENT TRANSPORTATION PLAN, AS YOU SEE IT NOW, AND THEY BUILT A SMACK FOR THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN ARIEL, BUT THAT DOES LITERALLY DEAD END INTO THE BACK OF AN EXISTING, LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE'S NOT A PRACTICAL WAY FOR THE ALIGNMENT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW TO CUT THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, 12 PEOPLE SELL OFF THEIR LOTS AND THEN SOMEBODY REDEVELOPS IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING A ROAD OR THE CITY DOES IT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT ALIGNMENT CAN, CAN GO THE WAY THAT IT'S SHOWN ON THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UM, THAT'S IT, WHERE'S YOUR CARPENTER NOW? Y'ALL GOT ME THROUGH IT CONFUSED.
NO, ACTUALLY, AH, I AGREE WITH WHAT MARSHALL WAS BRINGING UP BEFORE.
I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GO THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INTO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, UNLESS WE'RE READY TO GO THE WHOLE WAY TO NAMELESS WITH THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW.
IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO THAT NOW WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, BUT I ACTUALLY LIKE THE CHANGE TO GO BACK UP AND AROUND THE TOP.
IT'S GOING TO CREATE PROBABLY MORE TROUBLE LOGISTICALLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE TO DO IT WHILE THEY'RE LIVING THERE.
BUT, UM, THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
SO I MEAN, I LIKED THE PLAN AND I LIKED THE SUBDIVISION AND, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, UH, WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN AT ALL.
MR. COSGROVE, A LOT OF MY ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED HERE, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE, WE'RE FIXING THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DIDN'T LOOK AT TAKING THE REALIGNMENT OF TWO 80 DOWN ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WOULD BE A LOT FEWER ISSUES WITH RIGHT AWAY.
AND YOU COULD END UP WITH A FAR MORE CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION WITH BLAKE LINE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND UM, I JUST THINK I, I JUST DIDN'T TAKE IT NORTH IS AWFUL WONKY.
I JUST THINK, I THINK THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER ALIGNMENT THAN WHAT I'M SEEING ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER.
THAT THAT'S ALL I HAD CHAIRMAN.
UM, CAN I ASK THEM MRS. GRIFFIN? ANOTHER QUESTION IS ALL RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING LIKE A PLAN LIKE THIS, I MEAN, CLEARLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS I STATED ORIGINALLY IS JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH THE CITY EFFECTIVELY, I THINK.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT CR TWO 80 AND THE ORIGINAL YELLOW LINE AND PROBABLY THE ONE PRE ON THE PREVIOUS TRANSPORTATION
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PLAN BEFORE KIMBERLY HORN DID THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IT STILL WENT TO SEMI EAST TO WEST AND SOMEHOW GOT BACK TO NAMELESS.WHAT WOULD BE, IS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS THAT THE, THE OTHER WAY YOU CAN HANDLE THIS, I WAS TALKING A LOT ABOUT DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPING STUFF ALONG IT, AND THEN BUILDING OR PAYING FOR THE ROAD ALONG THE WAY.
BUT IF THE CITY WERE TO SAY, WE NEED A ROAD HERE, THEY COULD GO AND NEGOTIATE WITH A BUNCH OF LANDOWNERS AND BUY PROPERTY TO BUILD OUT A ROAD.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, UH, UH, A VAST NUMBER OF DIFFICULT PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS, BUT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, IS IT IMPERATIVE TO HAVE THIS ON THE MAP SO THAT IF WE EVER DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THERE IS A BEGINNING TO AN ALIGNMENT THAT SOMEBODY CAN START TALKING TO PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT.
I MEAN, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR IT HERE? IT FEELS LIKE IT WAS DRAWN WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP.
THAT THAT'S THE PART I'M GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT.
SO, UM, I AGAIN WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO KIMBERLY HORN ABOUT WHY, UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY KEPT THIS ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE PLAN BEFORE.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER, BUT THE GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE CONNECTIONS BACK TO NAMELESS ROAD.
YEAH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UM, SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY RUNS THROUGH A LOT OF VERY LARGE, THE FUTURE SAN GABRIEL, UM, PARKWAY, WHICH IS AN EAST WEST ROAD THAT RUNS FROM BAGHDAD TO NAMELESS.
UM, AND IT'S GOING TO BE, I THINK, A ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
UM, SO QUITE LARGE ROADWAY, UH, THAT WILL GET YOU FROM BAGHDAD TO NAMELESS.
YOU'VE GOT THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF LIVE OAK.
UM, AND THEN WHATEVER THAT BLUE, WHAT IS BLUE ON THE IS THAT THAT'S COLLECTING, IT'S LABELED AS A RURAL EXISTING ROADWAY, BUT WHAT DOES DASHED BLUE? RURAL.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A BIG ROAD.
SO THEN I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BUT I MEAN, YEAH.
EAST, WEST CONNECTIVITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN IS DIFFICULT AS IT STANDS NOW.
AND I'M ALL FOR MAKING THIS MAKE MORE SENSE, BUT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A PLANNING BODY THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.
AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY ATTEMPT TO COME UP WITH SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THIS ONE, ISN'T A GOOD ONE.
SO MRS. GRIFFIN, YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE TIME FOR ENGINEERING TO COME BACK AND TALK TO THEM.
SO, UM, THE, THE WAY THE SCHEDULE WORKS, WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, THERE'S A SECOND P AND Z MEETING BEFORE YOU GO TO COUNCIL.
SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE BRING BACK ON THE NINTH.
I COULD TALK TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSAL WE COULD LOOK AT.
UM, WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS, IF THAT HELPS.
I WILL SAY THAT PUTTING COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST ABOUT A NO-GO, UM, BRODY THAT, UH, WEST BRODY RUNS, UH, BY MY PROPERTY.
WE, WE HAVE A PARK THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND NOT A SINGLE RESIDENT USES THAT PARK BECAUSE WE HAVE A COLLECTOR RUNNING BETWEEN THAT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RUNNING COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80 AS A COLLECTOR TO THE MIDDLE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT THAT'S FINE, BUT I, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT A D I'M ASSUMING THE PURPLE LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE IS A LINK LINE IN THE TRUCK.
SO WE HAVE A NORTH AND SOUTH THAT GETS THROUGH AND THE GREEN LINE TO THE FAR RIGHT IS BAGHDAD.
AND WE HAVE SAN GABRIEL IT'S PROPOSED ALONG THE SOUTHERN, UM, THE PROPOSED COUNTY ROAD, TWO 80 ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WHAT, WHO WOULD BE ACCESSING THAT, THAT WOULD GO EAST AND WEST ON THAT.
ARE YOU SAYING ON THE PROPOSED TWO 80? SO THAT'S, UM, HANG ON, HANG ON JUST A SECOND, CALM DOWN.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS THE EXISTING ROADWAY, SO THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO USE IT AND THEN ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALSO USE IT.
THAT ROAD IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY REGARDLESS OF WHAT Y'ALL DO.
I MEAN, NOT BE ON THE PLAN, BUT IT'LL STILL BE I I'M, I THINK I'M WITH YOU HEINZ.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ENGINEERING COME IN HERE AND EXPLAINS SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THE MASTER PLAN IS WRITTEN, IT DOESN'T WORK.
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BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S ROUNDED AND DID IT ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING? AND, UH, SO I I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, HAVE COME BACK TO THIS IN TWO WEEKS.SO YOU POSTPONE IT TO NOVEMBER 9TH, NOVEMBER 9TH MEETING AND HAVE THE ENGINEERING, UH, SUPPLY US WITH ALTERNATIVES.
I'LL SECOND THAT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS IF YOU SORT OF PRIME ENGINEERING FOR ANSWERING THE FOLLOWING COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, NUMBER ONE, WHAT IS THE INTENT OF HAVING THIS, HAVING A COLLECTOR IN THIS APPROXIMATE LOCATION, RIGHT? IF WE'VE GOT SAN GABRIEL TO THE SOUTH AND WE HAVE LIVE OAK TO THE NORTH, WHAT IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF IT? AND THEN, UM, IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PROPOSING SOMETHING ELSE TO US, I THINK MOST OF OUR QUESTIONS ARE GONNA REVOLVE AROUND HOW PRACTICAL IS BUILDING THAT ALIGNMENT.
SO I'D LIKE THEM TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO A PRACTICAL ALIGNMENT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, A KNOWLEDGE OF THE CURRENT LAND USES AND PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
[12. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Concept Plan Case 21-TOD-CP-007 to adopt the LC Hero Way Concept Plan on two parcels of land approximately 21.86 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031600 & R457677; generally located to the northwest of the intersection of Hero Way and Main Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-TOD-CP-007 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
SO WE'LL ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING CONCEPT PLAN CASE 21 T O D C P 0 0 7, TO ADOPT THE LC HERE AWAY CONCEPT PLAN ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 21.8, SIX ACRES, MORE OR LESS, UM, AND LOCATED THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF HERE AWAY AND MAIN STREET LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
UH, THE TOP HALF AND THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE TRACK WAS ANNEXED, UH, IN NOVEMBER OF 2002, THE SOUTHERN PORTION WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2005, UH, AND THE ZONING WAS APPROVED FOR LEANDER STATION PUD, UH, IN 2005 AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT IS WGCI MR. IAN WILLIAMS. UH, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL ON BEHALF OF THE TRANSIT VILLAGE INVESTMENTS, LTD.
UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, UM, WARRANTS THAT WILL GO WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN, UH, AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE EXHIBITS, SEE IF I CAN GET, IT WAS A GENERAL CONCEPT LINE.
SO, UH, THE FIRST WARRANT IS, UH, FOR HERO WAY, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SETBACK, UH, PER SMART CODE TABLE SEVEN, HE WAS TO BE 12 FEET AT THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN INCREASE IN BUILDING SETBACK TO 80 FEET DUE TO SITE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE LOCATION OF DETENTION AND WATER QUALITY PONDS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A PRIVATE STREETS TO QUALIFY AS ROADS CREATING BLOCKS.
THIS WOULD ALLOW PRIVATE STREETS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, ASIDE FROM EAST STREET, UH, WHICH HAS REQUIRED A COLLECTOR PER THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
THE PRIVATE DRIVES WILL BE DESIGNED TO MEET THE CITY STANDARDS AND SMART CODE STREET TYPE S T 50 DASH 28.
THE PRIVATE STREETS WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR PROJECT OWNER, UH, AND WILL NOT BE GATED.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REQUESTING LIMITED PARKING TO BE PLACED IN THE SECOND LAYER OF THE MIXED USE BLOCK AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET IN HERO WAY.
UH, IT'S THIS BLOCK RIGHT HERE, BOTH HERO WAY AND MAIN STREET HAVE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE AND EASEMENTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT DO NOT ALLOW FOR ON THE STREET PARALLEL PARKING.
THE APPLICANT'S FINAL WAIVER IS A WAIVER TO THE MINIMUM 80 FOOT AIR, 80% FRONTAGE BUILD-OUT FOR THE NORTHEAST BLOCK OF THE SITE, WHICH IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN.
UH, THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE X SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS BLOCK CONTAINS, UH, AN EXISTING TRAIL AND TRAIL EASEMENTS, WHICH PRECLUDES PLACEMENT OF STRUCTURES IN THAT BLOCK.
OH, ALL OTHER BLOCKS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT MEET OR EXCEED THE 80% OF FRONTAGE BUILD-OUT, UH, REQUIREMENT, UH, STAFF WILL BE HERE AFTER A SHORT PRESENTATION.
SO TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT, HELLO COMMISSIONERS I'M EMILIYA BOCCIA WITH TRENOR GROUP HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM STAFF.
SO I'M HAPPY TO RUN THROUGH IT, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS AND
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SKIP AROUND TO EXHIBITS AS YOU'D LIKE, IT'S YOUR CALL, RON.IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO THEY CAN'T.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TO RUN THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, SO I ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM WTI, UH, THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND D TJ, THE ARCHITECT, AS WELL AS, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPER HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UM, HERE'S THE ZOOMED OUT AERIAL, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, THIS IS LOCATED ON HERE AWAY BETWEEN 180 3 AND MAIN STREET.
LET'S ZOOM IN A LITTLE CLOSER.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A VACANT SITE, UM, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE EXISTING TRAIL, UH, IN AN EASEMENT ON THE NORTHERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, HERE ON THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUR TRANSECT ALLOCATION OF
UM, AND OUR FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS LANDER CENTRAL DESIGNATED FOR A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL USES THAT STRIPED YELLOW LINE IS THE PROPOSED COLLECTOR, WHICH WE WILL BE DEDICATING AND BUILDING NORTHEAST STREET.
UM, WE ARE HERE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE EAST CREEK CONNECTOR AND EXPLORING THAT A LITTLE.
COULD YOU POINT THAT OUT TO ME, THE CONNECTOR TO EAST STREET NORTHEAST STREET, THIS IS BEFORE THAT'S THE PROPOSED COLLECTOR THAT YELLOW AND WHITE STRIPED LINE THROUGH THAT WE WILL BE DEDICATING AND BUILDING THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE DEDICATING AND BUILDING MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WHEN IT'S MY TURN.
UM, SO JUST SOME SORT OF OVERALL PROPERTY DETAILS.
IT'S JUST UNDER 22 ACRE SITE, UNDEVELOPED, LIKE I SAID, ADJACENT TO THE LEANDER STATION TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SERITA VALLEY GREENBELT TO THE NORTHEAST, UM, JUST UNDER A THOUSAND FEET FROM HEB AND THEN THE TOD.
UM, THIS IS HOW THE, THE PROJECT, UM, BREAKS OUT ABOUT 18 ACRES OF MULTI-FAMILY, UM, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF ACRES OF MIXED USE.
UM, AND ABOUT 1.3 ACRES OF CIVIC OPEN SPACE TRAIL.
UM, HERE IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN YOUR BACKUP.
UH, AND WE ARE REQUESTING FOUR WARRANTS.
UH, WE ARE, ONE IS RELATED TO BUILDING SETBACK.
UH, ONE IS RELATED TO INTERNAL DRIVES.
ONE IS RELATED TO A SMALL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND THE FINAL ONE IS RELATED TO BUILDING FRONTAGE ALONG THE EXISTING TRAIL.
UM, SO HERE'S THE FIRST WARRANT, UM, PROPOSING THE SETBACK FROM HERE AWAY FOR A PORTION OF THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE TO GO FROM 12 FEET TO 80 FEET.
UM, THIS IS DICTATED BY THE, THE REQUIRED POND LOCATION, UM, AND THE SITE GRADE, UM, OVER 50% OF THE WATER, UH, IS SPLIT TO GO TO THE DETENTION POND ADJACENT TO THAT REGIONAL TRAIL THAT YOU SAW UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UM, THE REMAINDER GOES OF THE PHOTOS TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UM, AND THIS IS DUE TO A REQUIREMENT TO TIE INTO EXISTING GRADES ALONG HERO WAY AND NORTH EAST STREET CONNECTION, UH, COLLECTOR.
UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THIS INCREASED SETBACK, WE'VE CREATED A PLAZA AREA WITH SEATING AND A DUAL SIDEWALK AND TRAIL, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STREETSCAPE THERE, UM, MEETS THE INTENT OF THE SMART CODE.
THE SECOND WARRANT IS RELATED TO THE THOROUGHFARES, UM, ALLOWING THE INTERNAL DRIVES TO BE TREATED AS PRIVATE THOROUGHFARES, CREATING THE BLOCKS, UM, THAT THE TOD ENVISIONS, UM, THESE THOROUGHFARES WOULD BE DESIGNED, OR THESE DRIVEWAYS I SHOULD SAY, WOULD BE DESIGNED TO CITY STANDARDS FOR S T 50 28 TYPE.
UM, THEY'D BE MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER AND THEY WOULD HAVE NO GATES.
UH, THE THIRD WARRANT IS ABOUT THE PARKING PLACEMENT.
UM, THIS IS JUST THESE VERY SMALL AREAS THAT ARE THERE IN RED, UM, WHERE THE PARKING IS TECHNICALLY IN THE SECOND LAYER.
UM, AND THEY ARE THE REASON THAT WE WERE ASKING TO PUT PARKING IN THE SECOND LAYER IS BECAUSE, UM, HERE AWAY IN MAIN STREET HAVE SIGNIFICANT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND EASEMENTS IN THEM, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW STREET PARKING.
AND SO IT KIND OF PUSHES THAT PARKING UP INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ISN'T IN THE SECOND LAYER, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE IN THOSE PERMITTED AREAS.
AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST WARRANT RELATES TO THE FRONTAGE BUILDOUT ADJACENT TO THAT EXISTING TRAIL AND CIVIC SPACE.
UM, AND IT WAS JUST A WAIVER FROM THE 80% FURNITURE REQUIREMENT.
UM, THERE IS A NEW EASEMENT PROVIDED ALONG MAIN STREET RIGHT HERE.
UH, IT'S JUST ON THAT, THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER THERE, THAT LIGHT BLUE AREA, UM, TO THE IS FOR THE CONNECTOR TRAIL.
UM, IT OBVIOUSLY THEN CONNECTS INTO THAT EXISTING TRAIL, EASEMENT AND EXISTING TRAIL, UM, AREA, UM, ALL THE OTHER BLOCKS MEET OR EXCEED THE 80% BUILD-OUT FRONTAGE.
AND WITH THAT, WE RE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO AT THIS POINT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO ANYONE WHO HAS TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THE, IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION
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MR. KYLE'S CARLSBERG.NOW, IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT PLAN I'M OKAY.
I'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME CONCERNS WHEN WE GET TO PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT AS A CONCEPT PLAN, I THINK IT'S OKAY.
JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THESE ARE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
HOW MANY DOESN'T SAY ANYWHERE IN HERE, UNLESS I MISSED, I REQUEST ON THE CONSEQUENCES FOR 430 UNITS, FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT, FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY AROUND 430.
ARE THOSE CONDO UNITS OR RENTALS? RENTAL RENTALS? YES, SIR.
WAS THERE MY, MY QUESTIONS IT'S HARD TIME HOME STYLE, RIGHT.
WHAT WAS THE DENSITY ON THOSE WHERE THEY 25 PER ACRE, APPROXIMATELY? YES.
I'LL WAIT FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT COMMISSIONER STYLES.
WHAT IS THE STORY LIMIT ON T SIX BUILDINGS? I ALWAYS LOVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION OF YOU.
I'M GOING TO GO TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION WHILE I LOOK IT UP.
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED THAT UP.
UH, HERE WE HAVE, UH, ASKED TO STATION SECTOR.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERO'S WAY, UH, AS IT BUTTS UP TO 180 3 ACROSS FROM THE LAND OR MARKETPLACE I'M, I'M NOT, UM, ROBIN, I WAS RACING YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE 14 STORIES IS T
I THINK IF I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 66 OF THE SMART CODE, SO ACCORDING TO PAGE 68 OF THE SMART CODE, UM, YOUR HEIGHT IS EIGHT STORIES.
AND HE WAS ORIGINALLY IN REVISION DEBATE.
YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORY OR WHICH ONE THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED THE T O D AND THERE WERE T 45 AND T SIX ZONES THERE.
AND I SIMPLY WANTED TO VERIFY HOW HIGH THEY GET BILLED AND T 40 FIVES AND T SIXES.
SO THE, THE T SIX IS THE EIGHT STORIES.
T FIVE IS FOUR STORIES AND T4 IS THREE STORIES.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS STATION SECTOR AS TO WHAT IS, ARE YOU LOOKING TO THE SOUTH? YES, MA'AM.
UM, SO THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY BEEN DEDICATED THE CITY AS PARKLAND.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE STATION SECTOR, YOUR NEXT STEP IS TO COME IN AND ESTABLISH TRANSECT ZONES.
SO THEY WOULD COME UP WITH A SIMILAR PROCESS IF IT WAS AN ACTUAL DEVELOPER, BUT THAT'S AN AREA WHERE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
HAS IT BEEN DEDICATED AS PARKLAND? YEAH.
SO WHEN THE MEDICAL OFFICE POD CAME IN, THEY DEDICATED THE EAST STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THAT PIECE.
AND THEN THE REMAINDER BECAME A PARKLAND.
THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR THE EIGHTH STREET CONNECTOR, THAT GOES, I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONNECTOR THAT GOES ACROSS HERO'S WAY THAT CONNECTS, UH, OLD TOWN TO THIS.
AND I WOULD ASSUME, AND THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF THAT.
SO TELL ME WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT.
WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT ARE APPROVED AND ALMOST READY FOR A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING FROM HEROIC NORTH FOR EAST STREET.
SO THAT CAME IN WHEN LEANDER MARKETPLACE STARTED.
UM, SO THAT'S ALREADY IN PROCESS.
UM, I THINK THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS HANDLING THAT PIECE OF IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT'S THE CITY'S PROJECT.
UM, WE HAD, UH, THE BOND ELECTION THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THAT.
SO THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SOUTHERN PIECE OF EAST STREET.
SO THERE WILL BE A BRIDGE ACROSS BRUSHY CREEK AT THIS CONNECTOR HERE.
WHEN YOU TALK TO ENGINEERING, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN OR NOT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET ACROSS BROCHURE WITH YOU? I JUST DON'T WANT TO ASSUME.
YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.
UM, MS. MOJO, IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
I DON'T, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THE STREETS TO THE 50, 28 STANDARD, AND YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT, WHY ARE THEY PRIVATE DRIVES? WE ARE BUILDING, UM, ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, HOW MANY? OKAY, THANKS.
SO MARSHALL, UM, WITH THAT, UM, WHEN,
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WHAT THEY'RE DOING SYDNEY, SORRY.SO, UM, IF THEY WERE TO DO PUBLIC STREETS, THERE'S A BIGGER RIGHT OF WAY TAKE THEN IF THEY DO PRIVATE, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF IT.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE A BETTER ANSWER, BUT THAT'S OUR TYPICAL, THE CIVIL ENGINEER.
I'M ACTUALLY THE ARCHITECT AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
UM, WE ARE DOING IT SO THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY CAN CONTROL THAT STREET RIGHT OF WAY BETTER.
SO THAT AGAIN, FROM, UH, THE STANDPOINT OF CREATING A, KIND OF THE BEST COMMUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS, THAT WE WOULD, AGAIN, FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, THAT WE WOULD BE ACTUALLY, UH, ACTUALLY DOING THAT.
UH, SO THE INTENTION WAS NOT REALLY THE, THE INTENTION WAS NOT NECESSARILY TO EXCLUDE ANYONE, BUT AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE THAT, EH, SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER KIND OF MASTER PLAN OR MASTER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THAT AGAIN, UH, WE HAD THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE STREETSCAPE WAS, WAS FULLY UP TO PAR WITH, UH, WITH WHAT WE WOULD WANT, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN AGAIN IN A, IN ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT, IS THAT CODE FOR GATED? OKAY.
BUT HANG ON A SECOND BECAUSE PRI PRIVATE STREETS, THEY CAN BLOCK OFF THE PRIVATE STREETS IF THEY WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAN THEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FLAT OUT, NO, GO FOR ME THAT I WILL ABSOLUTELY NEVER VOTE FOR ANYTHING IN THE TOD THAT IS SET UP LIKE THIS BUILD A STRAIGHT THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WALKABLE, RIGHT? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO GET FROM ONE END OF IT, TO THE OTHER ON YOUR FEET.
IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A PRIVATE PARTY FOR THEIR TOWNHOMES.
AND I CAN'T WALK ACROSS ANYMORE, THAT IS A BIG GIGANTIC NO-GO.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY THE INTENTION IS NOT TO BLOCK THE STREETS.
I WONDER IF THERE IS A WAY TO, UM, TO PROHIBIT US FROM BLOCKING THEM THE SAME WAY WE'RE BEING PROHIBITED FROM PUTTING GATES IN.
SO THAT, THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN.
I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE THEM BE PUBLIC STREETS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY OF WHAT THE WIDTH IMPLICATION.
IF ROBIN KNOWS, I MEAN, I DON'T, SO WHAT, SO LET'S FIX THAT FOR THEM.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT LIKE, WE WOULD OWN MORE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAN THEY WANT US.
USUALLY THERE'S LIKE AN EXTRA 10 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT'S USUALLY LIKE A 50 FOOT RIGHT.
OF WAY FOR LIKE A LOCAL STREET SECTION.
BUT IT, IS THAT THE SAME WAY THAT IT WORKS IN THE TOD VIA THE SMART CODE? UM, IT DEPENDS.
I I'D HAVE TO REVIEW IT WITH ENGINEERING.
I DON'T, I MEAN, SOME YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GIVE ME A MUCH BETTER EXPLANATION FOR WHY IT'S NECESSARY FOR ME TO GET ON BOARD WITH IT.
THE RISK OF HAVING THESE STREETS NOT BE 100% FULLY PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE FROM NOW UNTIL ETERNITY IS GOING TO BE A BIG NO-GO FOR ME INSIDE A TRANSIT ORIENTED AREA.
I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO DOCUMENT THAT.
LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE INTENTION.
UH, AND SO THE SAME WAY WE'RE BEING, WE ARE, I MEAN, VOLUNTARILY RIPPING GATES.
I JUST THINK THERE MUST BE A WAY FOR US TO, TO DOCUMENT THAT PROHIBITION AS WELL, SO THAT THERE IS AN ASSURANCE THAT WE COULD STILL MAINTAIN IT AND HAVE THE NARROWER RIGHT.
OF, YOU KNOW, THE EQUIVALENT TO A RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BUT HAVE THEM FUNCTION AS PUBLIC TREATS, WHICH HAS THE INTENTION, GRIFFIN, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE YEAH.
UM, AND WE COULD UPDATE THE WARRANT TO STAY.
IT WOULDN'T BE CLOSED FOR EVENTS.
AND THEN WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT A PLATINUM MAYBE, UM, I CAN INVESTIGATE THAT.
BUT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HINES, JUST PRIVATE WITHOUT ANY SORT OF CAVEAT IS, IS A NON-STARTER IN THE TV.
THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE TOD.
WHEN THEY CAME IN, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO HAVE THE LAST MEETING TO AGREE WITH MARSHALL ON THIS, I AGREE WITH HIM A HUNDRED PERCENT, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT WAS NOT THE INTENT OF THE TOD TO DO THAT, ANY STRETCH AND STRETCH OF THEIR IMAGINATION.
CAUSE I WAS THERE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THEY WERE DOING IT.
AND IT IS A NO-GO FOR ME AS WELL.
WELL, THE THING, THE THING IS IS THAT THE, THE STREET IS A PUBLIC SPACE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCEPTUALLY, RIGHT, IT'S A PLACE FOR EVERYONE.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WHO TRAVERSE THAT AREA AND ARE PART OF IT.
AND SO I GENERALLY, I MEAN, I'M SPEAKING PERSONALLY NOW I DON'T LIKE PRIVATE STREETS, PERIOD, REALLY.
CONCEPTUALLY, THEY'RE ALMOST, ALMOST ALWAYS INVOLVED IN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY.
THEY SEGREGATE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY CAN BE USED.
AND SO I HEAR YOU AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I WANT VERY MUCH TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO BELIEVE WHY YOU OR YOUR ORGANIZATION OR WHO YOU REPRESENT IS BEING DISHONEST.
BUT I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF WE DO NOT HAVE THINGS WRITTEN IN STONE, THEY CAN CHANGE.
NOW, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE WILLING TO GET IT ON THE BOOKS, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT I GUESS THE THING THAT I GET AT IS LIKE, I DON'T, I STILL DO NOT CONCEPTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GAIN OUT OF HAVING THEM BE PRIVATE.
YOU WANT TO CUT THE GRASS THERE BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT COMING BY FAST ENOUGH.
NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP YOU FROM DOING THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
MRS. GRIFFIN PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T CARE.
I MEAN, YOU WANT A WATER OVER THERE, YOU CAN DO THAT.
SO WHAT IS LIKE, I CANNOT THINK OF A LEGITIMATE REASON OTHER THAN FOR EXCLUSIONARY PURPOSES, WHICH YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T COME TOGETHER WITH
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AN IDEA FOR WHY IT WOULD BE NECESSARY.I THINK THE WIDTH IS ONE PART OF IT, THE MAINTENANCE STRIPS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO IF WE REALLY, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO WORK IN THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, ADDING ANYTHING IN THAT AREA THAT MAYBE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN PUBLIC.
RIGHT-OF-WAY LIKE, NO SOMETHING FURNITURES ALONG WE COULD DO.
MARSHALL IS THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO COUNCIL ON THE 18TH.
WE COULD TRY TO FLUSH IT OUT WITH THEM, LIKE EXACTLY WHY IT'S NEEDED AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT AS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO MAKE THAT ASSURANCE.
HERE'S THE ONLY BINDING FOR US AND FEED FOR FREE.
OF COURSE, ON THOSE PRIVATE STREETS.
I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S JUST A HANGUP OF MINE, BUT I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT GIVES THEM WHATEVER THEY BELIEVE THEY NEED OUT OF THAT OVERLY GIGANTIC SETBACK THAT WE SUPPOSE, EXCUSE ME, RIGHT AWAY, DEDICATION THAT WE HAVE FOR THEM AND KEEP THE STREET PUBLIC.
LIKE IF LET'S JUST SAY THE STREET AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT DO YOU CARE IF IT, IF THEY MAINTAIN IT OR THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN IT AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS WE ARE GUARANTEEING ACCESS AND WALKABILITY AND EVERYTHING THAT LET ME POSE A HYPOTHETICAL TO YOU, RIGHT? LET'S SAY NORTHLINE GETS BIG.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
IT TURNS OUT TO BE THE GREATEST PLACE ON THE PLANET AND THEY HAVE GOT IT AT THIS 50 28 CROSS-SECTION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY EFFECTIVELY TWO TRAVELINGS, I THINK ON STRIPED.
SO NARROW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LOW TRAFFIC ROAD WITH PARALLEL PARKING ON EACH SIDE.
IF FOR SOME REASON, THE CITY DECIDES THAT THE CITY WANTS TO HAVE A BIG AREA WIDE TO DO ON THE STREETS, IN THAT AREA.
LIKE WE MIGHT DO AN OLD TOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE CITY FOR A PUBLIC THING, WANTS TO MAKE USE OF IT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH THESE FOLKS WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY AT WHOMEVER TIME AND GET AGREEMENT FROM THEM TO MAKE USE OF THOSE STREETS.
WHEN WE, THE PEOPLE OWN THE STREETS WE GET TO DO WITH IT, WITH THE PURPLE WANTS.
I PERSONALLY FIND IT FAR MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE THAT YOU GO AND PEOPLE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT THIS IS A BIG, DIFFERENT THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THE NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET AND ASKING YOU, THERE YOU GO TO THE LAND OWNER WHO OWNS THE, OWNS THE STREETS THEMSELVES AND THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT IS A ONE-TO-ONE REPRESENTATION WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE IS I THINK UNLIKELY, OF COURSE, YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ST.
WE DECIDE THAT AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GONE OVER THERE.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE ON THE STREET RIGHT AWAY.
MAYBE WE WANT TO NARROW THE LANES AND HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WIDER SIDEWALKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT UP TO US ANYMORE WHEN WE DON'T OWN THE STREETS.
I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE, IT'S A REASONABLE POSITION TO TAKE.
IF YOU SAY ON THE 50, 28 STREET, CROSS-SECTION THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE MAKE YOU GIVE US, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE ARGUABLY FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED.
I MEAN THEN, THEN WE JUST SAY FINE, LET'S FIND A WAY TO GIVE YOU LESS RIGHT OF WAY, BUILD A STREET AS YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD THEM.
AND THE CITY MAINTAINS THEM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THEM.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO MOW OR WATER OR PRUNE THE TREES, NOBODY'S GOING TO STOP YOU FROM DOING THAT.
SO WELL, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUBLICLY DEDICATE AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP THE LAYOUT THAT WE WERE PROPOSING.
THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S REVIEWED LIKE A TURNING RADIUS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE PRESENTATION DOESN'T ACTUALLY INCLUDE A, UH, SET RIGHT OF WAY THE STE 50, 28 INCLUDES TURN RADIUS AS PART OF THE DESIGNATION.
SO IF THEY'RE BUILDING TO THAT, IT'S 10 FOOT, I THINK IT'S 10 FOOT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THE CROSS SECTION THAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO BUILD OR THE STREET SECTION.
I THINK, ARE YOU TELLING ME I'M WRONG? OKAY.
IF WHAT WE WANT TO SAY IS WE'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING ON THIS AND WE WANT TO COME BACK.
I'M TELLING YOU, I'M JUST NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S MORE VOTES HERE THAN ME.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS.
IF THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC STREETS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANYBODY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ANYBODY CAN DO WHERE I'M GOING TO VOTE.
IF THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC STREETS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS RIGHT AWAY THING.
IF WE'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH RIGHT AWAY FOR YOU TO GOOD.
I WANT THE STUFF RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE STREET.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR BIG SETBACK.
SO IF OUR RIGHT OF WAY IS SOMEHOW GOING TO MAKE THIS NOT A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED PLACE, TELL US WE'LL FIX IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF RIGHT OF WAY IS SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK.
I MEAN, IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE THEN THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND HAVE TO HAVE SPACE.
THERE ARE OTHER COMPLICATIONS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMEBODY COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S INCLUDED IN 50, 28, IF IT'S A PUBLIC STREET IS NECESSARY TO HAVE OPEN SO THAT PUBLIC WORKS CAN MAINTAIN IT CORRECTLY.
OR WE'D HAVE TO GET EASEMENTS ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TO PARK VEHICLES TO DIG HOLES.
NOT SAYING THOSE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT I'M WINGING IT.
SO I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS SMART CODE TO KNOW THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY TALKED TO PUBLIC WORKS THE LAST TIME AROUND TO DETERMINE THE RIGHT OF WAY ASSOCIATED
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WITH IT.I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS ANYWAY, I WON'T GET INTO THAT.
BUT MY POINT IS, I THINK THIS IS A SOLVABLE PROBLEM AND I TO VOTE YES.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THIS, IN THIS THAT I DON'T LIKE, IT'S THIS ONE THING.
SO IF WE WANT TO PUT THE PENCIL BACK IN TWO WEEKS, LET'S LET, LET'S LET THEM COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES AND SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOME LINES.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR ROBIN.
UM, AND IT'S ONLY BECAUSE I GET CRUCIFIED ON THIS ALL THE TIME.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY'S ALREADY, UH, HAS THE ABILITY TO BUILD APARTMENTS.
WE ARE NOT APPROVING A NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX OR CHANGING ZONING JUST SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD APARTMENTS, NOT A ZONING CHANGE.
I GET BLAMED FOR EVERY NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THE, THEY TEND TO BE A BAD WORD IN THE, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE DIDN'T GET IN TROUBLE FOR THAT INSTEAD IT WAS THAT WE WERE PROVIDING MORE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
WHAT A BETTER, WHAT A BETTER POSITION TO TAKE.
WELL, D THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS.
EVERYTHING FROM WATERING, UM, THE, THE PROBLEMS WITH WATER, UH, LAWNS TAKE UP A LOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFICULT PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE TO TASK, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
AND ON THE RECORD THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING TO BUILD NEW APARTMENTS HERE.
ROBIN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BACK IN YEARS BACK.
WHAT KIND OF A FIRE TRUCK CAPABILITY TO DO WE HAVE FOR BUILDINGS OVER FIVE STORIES? HIGH? I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.
I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK IT, BUT I THINK WE DO BECAUSE OF NORTH LINE, I THINK SOMETHING HAS CHANGED.
AND HOW MANY DO WE HAVE TO FIND OUT? BECAUSE THE LAST I HEARD IT WAS ONE AND, UM, THAT'S BEEN A WHILE.
SO THAT IS A CONCERN RIGHT THERE.
SO, AND ALSO IF THEY DO MAKE PRIVATE STREETS, DO THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY LATER ON TO GATE, THIS COMMUNITY SEEN AS HOW THIS IS THEIR ROADS? THAT'S PART OF THE CONCEPT PLANE SAYING IT'S NOT CADED, BUT CAN THEY CHANGE IT LATER ON? IT'S NOT GATED AT THIS TIME INCLUDE ON THE PLAT.
AS LONG AS THAT'S IN THERE, THEN I'M ON BOARD.
BUT LIKE I SAID, MARSHALL IS A RIDE ON THIS ONE.
THIS WAS INITIALLY INTENDED TO BE BIG, OPEN WALKABLE SPACES.
THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE T O D.
AND IF WE'RE CHANGING THAT WELL, THEN WE NEED TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT IT.
AND I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THAT EITHER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THOUGH.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT.
WE BRING THIS BACK AT THE NOVEMBER 9TH MEETING.
HOW SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.