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[1. Open Meeting.]
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, 2021.AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL
[2. Roll Call.]
CITY.WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME MATT GEELAN GLORIA HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS HARNICK, MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY ROSS PRESENT MAYOR CHRISTINE SEROQUEL HERE.
[3. Receive a transit demand analysis update from The Goodman Corporation, and an update from City Staff on other related matters.]
NUMBER THREE, RECEIVE A TRANSIT DEMAND ANALYSIS UPDATE FROM THE GOODMAN CORPORATION AND AN UPDATE FROM CITY STAFF ON OTHER RELATED MATTERS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR GOODMAN.UH, WE HAVE THE GOODMAN CORPORATION HERE TO PROVIDE A UPDATE.
SO JUST AS A REMINDER OF SOLICITATION NUMBER AS 21, 0 36 WAS AWARDED BACK ON SEPTEMBER 22ND TO CONDUCT A TRANSIT DEMAND AND SERVICE ANALYSIS.
THE GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS MADE STEADY PROGRESS.
THEY'VE COMPLETED A BOARDING AND LICENSE PLATE SURVEYS.
SO THEY'RE HERE TO REPRESENT THE RESULTS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE IN THE BACK.
I'M LEE NICHOLS WITH THE GOODMAN CORPORATION.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE STUDY HERE AND I'VE GOT A QUICK PRESENTATION.
WE'LL GO, GO THROUGH WITH YOU, UM, WHILE I KEEP IT INFORMAL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK.
AND WE DO, I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS.
WE HAVE SOME TIME FOR SOME Q AND A AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON IS THE BOARDING SURVEY, THE LICENSED SURVEY, UH, THAT HAVE ROBERT MA MCCANEY HERE WITH ME AND HE'LL GIVE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE OTHER TECHNICAL TASKS THAT WE'RE DOING AND WHERE WE'RE AT, AND THEN OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AT THE END.
SO OUR BOARDING SURVEY, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE, THE TWO, UH, ROUTES THAT SERVICE THE LEANDER STATION, THE METRO EXPRESS, 9 85 COMMUTER BUS, AND THEN THE RED LINE OF METRO RAIL.
UM, NOTE THAT OCTOBER WAS A FREE FAIR MONTH.
SO I BELIEVE DUE TO JUST CUSTOMER APPRECIATION CAP, METRO DECIDED TO OPEN THE WHOLE MONTH FOR NO FAIRS.
UM, SO WE'D LOOKED AT OUR SURVEY DAYS WERE 20 DAYS FROM OCTOBER 2ND TO NOVEMBER 3RD INCLUDED 14 WEEKDAYS.
WE FOCUS ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAYS AND THURSDAYS.
UH, WE DO THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOLID COMMUTER DAYS, MIDDLE OF THE WEEK, MONDAYS, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF HOLIDAYS.
SOME PEOPLE DID GO IN THE OFFICE FRIDAYS.
THEY MAY DRIVE TO LEAVE THE OFFICE A LITTLE EARLY.
SO REALLY FOCUSING ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY IS KIND OF INDUSTRY STANDARD WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH A TRANSIT SURVEYS.
UH, WE ALSO INCLUDE FIVE SATURDAYS AND ONE SUNDAY, WHICH THERE WAS A SPECIAL EVENT FOR AN MLS GAME ON SUNDAY.
UH, SO OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS A PRETTY BUSY MONTH SPECIAL EVENT WISE.
WE HAD TWO WEEKENDS OF ACL, OCTOBER 2ND AND NINTH.
ALSO OCTOBER 2ND, THERE WAS A WOMEN'S MARCH AT THE CAPITOL.
WE GOT FOUR AND GAMES, THE WORLD CUP QUALIFIER IN A TEXAS HOME FOOTBALL GAME.
SO REAL QUICKLY, AGAIN, THE, WE LOOKED AT THE METRO EXPRESS 95.
UM, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE, THE ROUTE HERE GOES FROM LEANDER STATION IN THE DOWNTOWN UP NEAR TO, UH, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
AND THIS ROUTE JUST HAS DRY PICKUPS IN THE MORNINGS, FIVE 30 TO EIGHT AND IN THE EVENINGS OR DROP-OFF, DROP-OFF ONLY.
SO WHEN THEY COME BACK TO DROP OFF THE BUSES STATICALLY OUT OF SERVICE, SO THAT PICKING UP ANY ADDITIONAL DRIVER WRITERS IN THE EVENING, SECOND, UH, IS THE RED LINE.
AND AGAIN, IT GOES FROM, YOU KNOW, LANDER DOWN TO DOWNTOWN AT THEIR CONVENTION CENTER WITH SEVERAL STOPS IN BETWEEN, UM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UM, YOU KNOW, PRETTY HEAVY IN THE MORNING FROM 5:00 AM TO 9:00 AM, AND THEN THERE'S A BREAK IN THE AFTERNOON.
AND THEN THEY HAVE RUNS STARTING AT TWO 30 TO FIVE 30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
NOW THIS IS THE STANDARD MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY DO HAVE SOME SPECIAL EVENTS SERVICE.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WEDNESDAY, YESTERDAY THERE WAS AN MLS GAME.
SO THEY RAN PICKUPS TILL, UH, SEVEN, ABOUT SEVEN 15 LAST NIGHT TOO.
CAUSE IT WAS AN EIGHT O'CLOCK, UH, KICKOFF FOR THE SOCCER MATCH AND THEN SATURDAYS, UH, AND THEN THEY START RUNNING AT 10 IN THE MORNING AND THEN THE LAST RUN IS AT 1109 AND THEY DO DO A SPECIAL EVENT SERVICE FOR SATURDAYS AND IT REALLY KIND OF TRUNCATES THAT SCHEDULE IN THE EVENINGS.
SO HISTORICALLY, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE, SOME OF THE TRENDS WITH THE RIDERSHIP, UM, THE METRO RAIL STARTED IS A RED LINE AND STARTED IN SPRING OF 2010 AND THE 9 85 STARTED IN THE SPRING OF 2012.
AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF A STEADY INCREASE, UM, IN THE RIDERSHIP, UM, UNTIL SPRING OF 2020.
AND THEN AS WE ALL KNOW THE PANDEMIC KIT AND, UM, THERE WAS A PRETTY STEADY DROP, BUT THE, THE RIDERSHIP IS SLOWLY STARTING TO COME BACK.
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THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, WE COUNTED 2,582 PEOPLE BOARDING THE BUS AND THE TRAIN, WHICH AN AVERAGE FOR BOTH MODES ABOUT 129 PEOPLE A DAY.AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPH HERE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PEAKS HERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY STEADY OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE GETTING.
UM, BUT NOTICING THE SPECIAL EVENTS SERVICES REALLY BRINGING THE PEOPLE OUT TO, TO TAKE IN, ESPECIALLY IT'S THE WORLD CUP QUALIFIER AND THE MLS GAMES IS REALLY ATTRACTING THE PEOPLE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR COUNT SHEET AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A CAPTURE ONE WEEK.
UM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY STEADY A HUNDRED, 907 ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE WORLD CUP QUALIFIER.
THAT WAS AN EVENING KICK-OFF I BELIEVE WITH A SIX O'CLOCK KICKOFF, UH, START FOR THAT MATCH.
UH, THE LAST TWO BOARDINGS 48 AND 31 PEOPLE.
UM, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 191 BOARDINGS FOR THAT DAY AND 162 ON THE RAIL.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT TREND OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS IS REALLY ATTRACTING THE PEOPLE TO THE STATION.
SO THE 9 85, UM, THE BUS, THE COMMUTER BUS WE HAD ABOUT, UH, 407 PEOPLE BOARDING THE BUS DURING THE SURVEY PERIOD WITH ABOUT 29, UH, PER DAY ON AVERAGE.
AND YOU CAN SEE PRETTY STEADY, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, THE RIDERSHIP LITTLE PEAKS HERE AND THERE.
UM, AND REALLY WHAT I WANT TO LOOK AT THE TIMES HERE.
UM, SIX 30 WAS OUR TOP DEPARTURE TIME WHERE WE HAD THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP.
SO IT WAS PEOPLE GETTING DOWNTOWN FOR 7 30, 8 O'CLOCK JOBS OR SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE FOR THEIR JOBS AND THEN THE RAIL.
UM, AGAIN, UM, I NOTED THE SPECIAL EVENTS, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PEAK THROUGHOUT THE MONTH WHERE WE'RE OUR RIDERSHIP IS PEKIN IS A SPECIAL EVENT SERVICE.
UH, WE HAD OVER 2000 BOARDINGS FOR THE SURVEY PERIOD, WHICH IS ABOUT 109 A DAY.
UM, AND SPECIAL EVENT DAYS AVERAGED ABOUT 160 FIRST SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND OUR NON EVENT DAYS WAS 83.
SO A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BETWEEN SPECIAL EVENTS AND NON SPECIAL EVENT DAYS ON OUR AVERAGE RIDERSHIP.
NOW WITH OUR SPECIAL EVENT BOARDINGS IT'S ABOUT A 94% INCREASE OVER THE NON-EVENT DAYS, A 90% INCREASE ON BOARDINGS OVER NON EVENT WEEKDAYS AND A 46% INCREASE OVER NON EVENT WEEKENDS.
UH, ONE THING WE NOTICED ON THE WEEKENDS, THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES COMING OUT AND IS TAKING THEIR KIDS ON THE, ON THE TRAIN.
UM, ESPECIALLY BEING A FREE, FAIR, IT'S A FUN ACTIVITY.
YOU KNOW, THEY'LL JUMP ON HERE, LEANDER RIGHT DOWNTOWN AND RIDE IT BACK.
UM, MY SON WAS BUGGING ME ABOUT RIDING IT AND, UH, WHEN HE CAME OUT WITH ME A COUPLE SATURDAYS TO DO COUNTS.
SO NOW I HAVE TO TAKE HIM ON A RIDE ON THE TRAIN SOON, UH, WEEKDAYS, UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE, UM, ON OUR WEEKDAYS OVER 1200 RIDERS THAT WE COUNTED ABOUT 91 ON AVERAGE WEEKDAY.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE TREND IS PRETTY STEADY, BUT OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ON A, YOU KNOW, TUESDAY, THIS WAS THE WORLD CUP QUALIFIER.
AND THEN LAST WEDNESDAY WAS AN MLS GAME.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PEAKS ARE, WHAT THE SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THEN OUR WEEKENDS, UM, A LOT OF EVENTS HERE ON THE WEEKENDS, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST THREE WEEKENDS WAS A SPECIAL EVENT, BUT YOU CAN REALLY NOTICE THE DROP-OFF ON THE 23RD WHERE THERE WASN'T A SPECIAL EVENT.
UM, AND THEN SUNDAY, SUNDAY WAS ONLY RAN IN THE AFTERNOON AND THEN THE 30TH, THERE WASN'T A SPECIAL EVENT.
SO THE FIRST THREE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY HIGH RIDERSHIP ON THE, ON THE ROUTE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BOARDING SURVEY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH OVER TO THE LICENSE PLATE SURVEY HERE.
UH, WE COLLECTED DATA FOR THREE DAYS, UH, TWO WEEK DAYS, OCTOBER 13TH AND 14TH, AND THESE WERE NOT DAYS.
AND THEN ALSO SAY SATURDAY, OCTOBER 16TH.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE KEPT, THERE WAS A TEXAS HOME FOOTBALL GAME THAT KICKED OFF AT 11 AND THEN AN MLS GAME THAT KICKED OFF, I BELIEVE AT SEVEN OR EIGHT O'CLOCK I THINK IT WAS SEVEN O'CLOCK THAT EVENING THAT IT KICKED OFF.
SO OVERALL WE COUNTED 201 VEHICLES, 48% OF THOSE CAME FROM THE CITY OF LEANDER.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BREAKDOWN HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, 7% FROM AUSTIN THAT WERE PARKED THERE FOR CEDAR PARK, GEORGE IS 6% AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, 21% OF OTHER CITIES AND THIS KIND OF GENERAL LIST OF SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE OBSERVED, YOU KNOW, BENRA BERTRAM, HARKER HEIGHTS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN HALF OUR PEOPLE PARKING THERE FROM THE CITY OF LEANDER, DCIS ARE A WEEKDAYS, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, UH, AGAIN, 110 TOTAL VEHICLES.
UH, 47% WERE FROM LANDER ON THESE TWO DAYS.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SAME, SAME CITIES, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN, CEDAR PARK, GEORGETOWN, AND AGAIN, 21%
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FROM A CONGLOMERATION OF OTHER CITIES.AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THOSE FOLKS ARE COMING FROM.
AND THEN SATURDAY, UH, 91 TOTAL VEHICLES.
I WENT OUT TWICE TO COLLECT PLATES BECAUSE I WANTED TO CAPTURE, SEE WHAT KIND OF RIDERSHIP WE'RE GETTING FOR THE TEXAS FOOTBALL GAME.
AND THEN WHAT KIND OF RIDERSHIP WE'RE GETTING OR BOARDINGS WE'RE GETTING FOR THE, UM, THE MLS GAME.
SO I WENT OUT ABOUT A 12 O'CLOCK AND IT WAS 11:00 AM KICKOFF FOR THE TEXAS GAME.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS LIKE 14 VEHICLES PARKED IN THE LOT, UM, CAME BACK AT, UM, ABOUT 8 30, 8, 8 30 IN THE EVENING.
UM, SO WHATEVER 91 MINUS 14 IS ABOUT 70 SOME ODD VEHICLES, 77 VEHICLES.
MY MATH IS RIGHT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS THERE FOR THE SOCCER MATCH.
SO YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF FOLKS COMING IN FOR THOSE SOCCER GAMES.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 49% FROM LANDER, UM, AND A GOOD MIX, YOU KNOW, 11% FROM GEORGETOWN, CEDAR PARK, UH, LIBERTY HILL, UM, WE'RE GETTING SOME FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE.
THERE WAS A CAR FROM EL PASO, PFLUGERVILLE, DECATUR.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, A GOOD MIX OF FOLKS COMING IN FOR THOSE GAMES.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I DO, YES.
UM, SEVERAL TIMES WE'LL SEE WHERE ADDRESSES ARE IN LEANDER, BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN THE CITY LIMITS.
WE HAVE A PRETTY LARGE ETJ DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY SORT OF BREAKDOWN ON THAT? WE DON'T IS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BASICALLY GOT, YOU KNOW, THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND THE CITY.
UH, WE DO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, FROM EL PASO THAT COULD BE SOMEBODY WHO RECENTLY MOVED HERE TO LANDER, BUT HASN'T CHANGED THE REGISTRATION.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MARGIN OF ERROR IN THERE.
UH, WE DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH RELEASE.
THAT'S GOING TO SWING THAT PERCENTAGE TOO MUCH.
UM, I THINK, I BELIEVE I SAW TWO DEALER PLATES WHEN I WAS DOING THE SURVEY.
THOSE CANNOT, UH, THEN IN A COUPLE OF OUT-OF-STATE PLACE, I THINK ONE FROM ARIZONA, ONE FROM FLORIDA.
UM, AGAIN, THOSE FOLKS COULD BE LIVING HERE IN LEANDER NOW.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO SWING THE NUMBERS TOO MUCH FROM WHAT YOU OBSERVED.
I THINK YOU HAD A DIFFERENT POINT THERE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THAT IT COULD BE ACTUALLY SOMEBODY LIVING IN THE EIGHTIES.
I THINK IT, AND YOU MAY EVEN HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY THAT ARE, UH, LIBERTY HILL THAT ADDRESS WE AND, OR, AND VICE VERSA.
SO I DO KNOW WHEN A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN LIVE IN LEAGUE CITY AND HAVE A CAME ADDRESS AND THOSE KINDS OF VARIANCES.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT, THAT ARE, I DON'T KNOW, Y'ALL PROBABLY CAN'T PULL ALL OF THAT TO THAT DETAIL.
WE, WE FEEL PRETTY COMPETENT IN OUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGEMENTS IS I WOULD SAY AS A RULE OF THUMB, ABOUT HALF OF THE WRITERS ARE FAMILIAR VENDOR GIVE OR TAKE A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, AND WE FEEL, WE FEEL REALLY CONFIDENT IN THAT, GIVEN THAT WE SURVEYED DIFFERENT DAYS AND WE'RE COMING UP WITH THE SAME PERCENTAGES.
IF WE HAD DIFFERENT FLUCTUATIONS IN THE DIFFERENT DAYS, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO REEVALUATE THAT.
BUT SINCE WE WERE COMING UP WITH 48, 50% ON ALL THREE OF THE DAYS, WE FELT PRETTY, PRETTY CONFIDENT ON THAT NUMBER.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES, OUR SIZE, HOW MANY OF THEIR RESIDENTS ARE USING TRANSIT COMPARED TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE COMING IN USING IT? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT AT THIS TIME.
UM, IT'S HARD TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR CITIES COULD BE LIKE THE WOODLANDS.
UM, YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIVED IN DALLAS I WROTE OR PLAYED, I LIVED, I TOOK DARDEN.
AND IF YOU ARE PLAYING A RESIDENT, I COULD GET A SPECIAL STICKER AND PARK CLOSER TO THE STATION.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO, UM, IF THAT DATA IS AVAILABLE.
CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF AGENTS DO DO LICENSE PLATE SURVEYS, BUT LOT OF THEM ARE THE, YOUR LARGE DARTS VIA, UM, HOUSTON METRO.
SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE THAT WITH THE CITY, THE SIZE OF LANDER DO AN EQUAL COMPARISON.
I CAN JUMP IN ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE IN A PARKING RIGHTS, SUCH AS YOURS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ABOUT A SIX MILE SHED, SIX TO EIGHT MILES, MEANING FOLKS WILL DRIVE SIX TO EIGHT MILES DOWN UPSTREAM TO THEN PARK AT THE PARK AND RIDE AND THEN DRIVE IT DOWNSTREAM.
NOW THAT THAT DISTANCE CHANGES AS YOU GET CLOSER TO TOWN.
AND SO FOLKS, MOST FOLKS IS AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY IS.
RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE JUST USING THAT SERVICE.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE USUALLY SEEING IS ABOUT A SIX TO EIGHT MILE CORD AND ABOUT TWO TO THREE MILE EAST, WEST, OR NORTH, SOUTH, WHICHEVER DIRECTION IT'S GOING.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S A PARABOLA X SHAPE IS WHAT IT IS.
SO JUST PUT THAT ON TOP OF A MAP AND YOU COULD JUST KIND OF PICK WHEREVER YOU WERE WHEN IT, YOU KNOW, IN WHATEVER GEOGRAPHIC AREA, WHICH ACTUALLY PROBABLY SHOWS PRETTY CLOSE TO THIS.
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WE DID, WE THAT'S AN A IN ANOTHER, THE NEXT POWERPOINT.I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT LEAST ONCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE TIME TO DO IT, BUT AT LEAST FROM THE NTD TO COMPARE, I GUESS, AS APPLES AND APPLES, YOU CAN PULL FOR PURE CITIES JUST IN TOTAL RIDERSHIP, SUBURBAN RADIAL, SUBURBAN 25 MILES, THOSE TYPE OF, OR EVEN LIKE YOU SAID, WOODLANDS IS WHAT 40.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER EXAMPLES, DFW AND HOUSTON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU KIM A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE.
WELL, I ONLY HAVE ONE SLIDE, SO I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE CLICKER.
UM, SO WE ARE COMPLETED WITH ALL OF THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS.
AS OF NOW, WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF RESOURCES.
I THINK SOMEONE SAID, ARE YOU SCARED OF THE TIMELINE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED? OR WHICH COUNCIL? I THINK IT WAS A COUNCILWOMAN ROSS, MAYBE.
UM, AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THAT SERIOUSLY AND SAID, LET'S PUT SOME RESOURCES TO THIS.
AND PLUS WE KNOW THIS IS A REALLY HIGH PROFILE PROJECT.
UM, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE GET THAT, NOT JUST FOR LEANDER, BUT IN THE, IN THE TRANSIT COMMUNITY AND IN THE CONSULTING COMMUNITY.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO GIVE THIS A LOT OF ATTENTION, A LOT OF DETAIL.
AND SO OVER THE LAST 60 ISH DAY, OR I GUESS 45 DAYS, UH, WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF, OF STAFF RESOURCES, ET CETERA.
SO WE HAVE, UM, SO IN TASK TWO, THE PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE ANALYSIS WERE COMPLETED WITH THAT TECHNICAL ANALYSIS.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH A QA QC PROCESS RIGHT NOW, REALLY PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT.
CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH STAFF, UH, I THINK LATE NOVEMBER OR MID NOVEMBER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL COMFORTABLE AND WE'RE ALL ON BOARD AND THE SAME, SAME SHEET MUSIC BEFORE WE COME BACK IN DECEMBER WITH, WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
SO IN THAT PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE ANNOUNCED ANALYSIS, AS RICK JUST MENTIONED, WE'VE DONE A DEEP DIVE INTO THE NATIONAL TRANSIT DATABASE.
WE'VE HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY CAPITAL METRO BUDGET SINCE 2010 IN DETAIL, AND REALLY KIND OF PULLED TEASE SOME THINGS OUT THAT ARE RELEVANT TO LEANDER, WHICH WE THINK IS PART OF THIS, WHICH IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A TASK IN THERE OF LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL EXPENSES.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT HERE IS, UH, RIDERSHIP AND, UM, VARIOUS OTHER CITIES, RIDERSHIP, ET CETERA.
AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE LAND OR STATION BOARDING, YOU JUST GOT THE UPDATE ON TASK THREE TASK FORCE TRANSIT DEMAND.
WE'VE WORKED WITH CAMPO AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THE MODELING CREW TO BUILD AN OFF MODEL, WHICH ALLOWED US TO.
NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CREATED A MODEL THAT ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT THE TRANSITS MAN, NOT JUST A DOWNTOWN, BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT IT TO DELL.
WE'VE LOOKED AT IT TO ARBORETUM, TO, TO, UM, THE NEW APPLE CAMPUSES TO, UM, WHERE ELSE, UH, THE DOMAIN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAJOR, MAJOR SPOTS THAT SOME OF THE LAND ARE FOR.
AND, AND THEN WHAT WE DID WITH THE TRANSIT DEMAND ANALYSIS AS WE'VE TAKEN THE CELL PHONE DATA, AND WE'VE, WE'VE ANALYZED EVERYONE LEAVES LEANDER OR STAYS IN LANDER.
SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 80,000 TRIPS ARE ORIGINATING EVERY DAY AND GOING ACROSS THE REGION AND WE'VE, WE'VE BROKEN THAT ALL DOWN KIND OF SHOW YOU LIKE WHERE ARE FOLKS GOING? RIGHT.
AND THEN, AND THEN DO WE CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS IN TRANSIT? THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSIT DEMAND ANALYSIS.
SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME RESULTS ON THAT.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH AREA DEVELOPERS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, SOME OF THE AREAS, STAKEHOLDERS, JUST ABOUT WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF TRANSIT TO YOUR GUYS'S COMMUNITY? JUST FROM A QUALITATIVE STANDPOINT, WE'VE ALSO COMPLETED A NATIONAL ANALYSIS WHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT ABOUT, I WOULD SAY 15, I'M LOOKING BACK, I THINK IT'S 15, RIGHT? 12 TO 15, UH, NATIONAL STUDIES OF WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF PARTICULARLY RAIL LINE? UH, WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT TO A, TO AN AREA? AND, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR AN AREA SIMILAR TO LEANDER? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CASE STUDIES, BUT THERE'S A FEW OUT THERE BECAUSE EVERY CITY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, EVERY TAXING, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU TAX AND WHAT KIND OF INCENTIVES THE CITY GIVES, ET CETERA, OR JURISDICTION GIVES US IS DIFFERENT.
SO, SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ECONOMICS, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THE ECONOMY, NOT JUST, IS THERE A RAIL LINE.
AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AS WELL, THE ALTERNATIVE TO THIS IT'S IN PROGRESS, IT'S ACTUALLY THE COMPLETE, THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSIT SERVICES.
UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT, I WOULD SAY SCENARIOS.
I WILL NARROW THOSE DOWN BEFORE WE COME TO YOU BECAUSE I ALWAYS, I TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE TO COME TO COUNCIL WITH LIKE SIX DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
CAUSE IT JUST, IT JUST GETS TOO MUCH.
SO WE'LL NARROW THAT DOWN TO A COUPLE.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE OPTIONS IN THE IS ESSENTIALLY THE WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SERVICES.
YOU HAVE SO MANY COINS AND WHAT KIND OF SERVICE DO YOU KNOW? AND YOU GUYS KNOW THIS WITH YOUR TRADE OFF ANALYSIS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT TASK SIX IS ABOUT.
UH, TASK SEVEN DRAFT AND FINAL REPORT IS IT'S PRETTY, SELF-EXPLANATORY, WE'VE STARTED THAT, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY WRAP THAT UP, COME TOWARDS DECEMBER AFTER WE GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL, ET CETERA, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY AND, AND DRAFT PRODUCTION OF A DOCUMENT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO HIT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON WHERE WE ARE ON THE, ON THE PROJECT UPDATE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, MAYBE I MISSED THIS, BUT THE ON-DEMAND
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SERVICE IS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR, OH, SORRY.SO WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE, ON DEMAND SERVICE ONE, WE, UM, WE HIRED, UH, ON OUR TEAM.
WE HAVE A FIRM THAT, THAT ALLOWS US TO MODEL WHAT KIND OF TRANSIT, UM, OPERATIONS YOU WOULD NEED IF YOU CHANGED YOUR GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES RIGHT NOW, YOUR GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY ON THE, ON THE MICRO, THE PICKUP SERVICES, IT'S LIKE FIVE SQUARE MILES, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF THE CORE AREA OF THE CITY.
BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE MODELED DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.
SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
WELL, WE MAY NOT COME BACK HERE WITH THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, WE HAVE THE PICKUP AND THEN WE KIND OF HAVE A MEDIUM AND THEN WE HAVE THE WHOLE CITY.
AND SO WHAT WOULD THAT COST YOU ALL TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE? YOU ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT LEVERS IN THERE, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW YOUR AVERAGE, WAIT, TIME IS SEVEN MINUTES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY OUTSTANDING, UH, SEVEN MINUTES.
CAUSE TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR THOSE PICKUPS OR THOSE ON-DEMAND IS 15 MINUTES OR SO.
SO YOU CAN CHANGE THOSE LEVERS.
AND IF YOU CHANGE IT TO 15 MINUTES, YOU NEED LESS BUSES, WHICH MEANS LESS OPERATING DOLLARS, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN, THERE'S THESE LEVERS THAT YOU CAN MOVE AROUND.
AND SO WE'VE MOVED SOME OF THOSE LEVERS AROUND AND IT KIND OF GETS INTO ANALYSTS AMOUNT OF ANALYSIS.
BUT WE, WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO KIND OF CAP IT AND SAY, HERE'S SOME SCENARIOS THAT YOU GUYS COULD THINK ABOUT IF YOU WERE TO DO ON DEMAND.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE AND THE EFFICIENCY OF THE CURRENT SERVICE AS WELL.
SO YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AS TWO COINS, CURRENT SERVICE, AND IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THE SERVICE AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
I GUESS I'M NOT ALLOWED TO
SO FOR THE, FOR THE, YEAH, THE BOARDING SURVEY WAS JUST OCTOBER.
SO DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE A HISTORY OF DOING FREE MONTH OF OCTOBER OR IS THIS THE FIRST TIME TO DO THIS? IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT ACTUALLY IS REALLY GOOD FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE RIDERSHIP FROM CAPITAL METRO THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED.
AND SO WE CAN SEE WHAT RIDERSHIP IS WHEN FAIRS WERE CHARGED.
AND NOW WE CAN SEE WHAT RIDERSHIP IS WHEN FARES ISN'T CHARGED, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT'S CALLED A FAIR, LAST DENSITY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS REALLY HARD TO DO BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF MODEL WHAT YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL, WILL, HOW THEY WILL RESPOND TO FAIRS.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO IT ON THE GROUND, YOU HAVE TWO KNOWN DATA POINTS.
AND SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE LIKE, OKAY, FAIRS, PEOPLE RESPOND TO FAIRS IN THIS WAY.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOSE A LITTLE RIDERSHIP OR YOU GAIN A LITTLE RIDERSHIP.
IF YOU BRING THE FAIR DOWN, WHICH IS REALLY EXCELLENT FOR Y'ALL.
CAUSE YOU COULD SAY, WELL, IF WE CHARGE NO FAIRS, THIS IS THE KIND OF RIDERSHIP WE WOULD GET.
IF WE DECIDED TO CHARGE $7 OR $3, THIS IS THE KIND OF RIDERSHIP WE WOULD GET.
AND WE COULD SEE THAT NOW, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US.
THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE REPORT AT ALL.
IT'LL BE REFLECTED IN THE FINAL REPORT.
THIS IS, THIS IS JUST THE BOARDING SURVEY TO SHOW US.
AND WE DID SEE A LITTLE, I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PROBABLY THE SPECIAL EVENTS, FRANKLY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN AND I THINK, HM.
YOU KNOW, IF I START ADDING ENDED UP, IT ENDS UP BEING $28 FOR MY FAMILY TO GO DOWN SOUTH AND BACK, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF MONEY.
SO JUST THE RIGHT ATTORNEY KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF METRO THEY MAY HAVE, BUT I'M NOT FOR SURE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK IS IT IN THE FINAL REPORT AND THIS, I GUESS WE CAN DO THIS AS WELL, BUT I WANT TO KNOW THE COST PER BOARDING OR THE, THE TRANSLATION OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING INTO IT.
LIKE IF WE CAN TAKE THIS MONTH THAT WE HAVE WHAT OUR SALES TAX PAID FOR AND WHAT DID WE DO? YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S THE CORE OF THE STUDY, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
AND SO WE LOOK AT THAT, THAT'LL BE IN YOUR, IN THE, IN THE DECEMBER.
I THINK WHATEVER IT IS, THE 17TH OR 16TH, WE'LL PRESENT THAT WE'RE UP TO ABOUT 60 SLIDES RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF CUT BACK.
SO I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO SIT THROUGH 60 SLIDES.
IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN, THAN WHAT'S ON THE SURFACE OF IT.
UH, BUT ABSOLUTELY THE COST PER RIDER IS, IS WE LOOK AT COST PER RIDER FOR CAP METRO AND HOW THEY'RE DOING AGAINST THE NATIONAL SYSTEM.
WE ALSO LOOK AT COST PER RIDER, WHICH IS REALLY YOUR INCREMENTAL COST PER RIDER, MEANING, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR SALES TAX PAYS FOR ALL BOARDINGS.
AND THEN ALSO FOR CITY OF LANDER, THAT'S WHAT THIS, THIS BOARDING SURVEY WAS.
BECAUSE REALLY, IF YOU'RE ONLY SERVING 50% GIVE OR TAKE, THEN THIS IS WHAT YOUR COST IS PER CITY RESIDENT NOT RIDER.
SO YOU KIND OF GET THAT AND THEN HE, AND THEN WE CAN GO UP ANOTHER LEVEL WHERE IT'S OKAY FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT'S A SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T JUST WORK IN ISOLATION.
HERE'S WHAT YOUR COST PER RIDER IS.
AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DIFFERENT METRICS THAT THE CAP METRO AND, AND OTHERS, UH, PROVIDE THE, THE, UM, THE NATIONAL TRANSIT DATABASE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE FEDS, WHAT THEY HAVE TO REPORT.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I'VE ALREADY DONE THE MATH ON THAT NOW KIND OF WANTING YOU TO PUT A NUMBER OUT IN PUBLIC.
I'D BE HAPPY TO IN DECEMBER, IF THAT'S OKAY.
TALK TO WHEN YOU GUYS LOOKED AT NATIONAL STUDIES, WHEN I SAY HALF, THE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN LEANDER, THOSE FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY PROBABLY SPENDING MONEY IN LEANDER.
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THING THAT YOU GUYS CAN EXTRAPOLATE FROM THAT? FROM LOOKING AT NATIONAL STUDIES TO SAY, I MEAN, CAUSE I LIVE IN LANDER AND I USE A RAIL.BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE GOING TO RESTAURANTS CAUSE I'M JUST GOING TO GO HOME.
BUT THERE'S AN ECONOMIC IMPACT THERE ISN'T THERE.
CAN YOU TRY TO TRY TO HELP ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT IF THAT'S OKAY.
PEOPLE GO INTO MOUTON'S THAT ARE PARKED AND USING THE TRAIN OR PEOPLE WHO KNOW.
SO, SO NO, WE, WE CAN'T ISOLATE IF THAT PERSON HAS SPENT DOLLARS IN LEANDER.
UM, BECAUSE NATIONAL KIND OF TRENDS.
I MEAN, WHAT WE SEE, SO WHAT WE SEE IN A, IN A, IN A CITY OR A, OR A STOPLIGHT THIS, RIGHT.
IT'S A DESTINATION STOP BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING HOME.
SO, SO IT'S AN ORIGIN STOP IN THE MORNING.
SO MOST FOLKS WILL BUY A COFFEE, RIGHT.
OR MAY THEY MAY DROP OFF THEIR DRY CLEANER AT A PLACE LIKE A STOPLIGHT, THIS CAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT COMMUTERS, RIGHT.
SO IF YOU'RE COMMUTING DOWNTOWN, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU GET ON THE TRAIN IN THE MORNING, ONE, I COMMUTED ON THE TRAIN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
I WANT TO GET THERE ABOUT SIX MINUTES BEFORE THE TRAIN SHOWS UP.
THAT'S ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THINGS TO DO IN THE MORNING, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, IF THERE WAS A SERVICE THERE, LIKE A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING, BUT THEN YOU GOT TO WAIT FOR THE LINE.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO TIME THAT OUT.
AND PEOPLE COMING FROM HARKER HEIGHTS SOME WAY THAT'S PRETTY FAR TO COME, BUT THERE'S NO OTHER TRAIN SERVICE, SO THEY NEED TO GO TO YEAH.
AND WHEN YOU COME BACK, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU GET OFF THE TRAIN? RIGHT.
DO YOU KNOW? YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE A, A DINING OPTION, BUT LIKELY WHEN YOU GET OFF THE TRAIN, MOST FOLKS ARE WANTING TO GO HOME.
BECAUSE THIS IS MORE OF A COMMUTER STOP, NOT SO MUCH LIKE A MIDLINE STOP WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S, LET'S KIND OF PARTY, IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN, AND THEN WALK HOME, RIGHT.
IT'S IT'S, THIS IS MUCH MORE OF A, OF A, KIND OF A COMMUTER DRIVEN STOP.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE ECONOMICS OF, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, LIKE IN A, IN A, MAYBE A LARGER, MORE DENSE CITY IN THE MID LINE.
DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
WE'LL, WE'LL PLAY THIS SEVEN MILES DOWN.
THE ROAD IS LIFE-LONG STATION, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WE USE ARE FOR PEOPLE IN HARKER HEIGHTS TO GET TO, THEN IT HAS TO GET TO OUR STATION.
AND THE LAST TIME I SPENT A $9.2 MILLION WITH WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO PAY THIS YEAR FOR HOW MANY, HOW MANY DAILY BOARDINGS?
40 LEANDER RESIDENTS GIVE OR TAKE.
SO I'VE ALREADY DONE THE MATH PER RIDER ON, WELL, I'VE DONE THE MATH ON THE, ON THE BUS.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS COMING FROM ANOTHER CITY AND THERE'S BEEN IN THAT MUCH, NO AT ATV, COME ON, BUT THERE'S NO WAY.
THERE'S NO WAY PEOPLE ARE PROPPING UP OUR ECONOMY BY USING CAT, METRO AND LANDER.
AND WE'RE TALKING, WE NEED TO KEEP THEM SPREADING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN MILES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM OUR STATION TO LAKELINE.
THE DATA IS OBVIOUS HERE, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? SO, UM, DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A QUESTION.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE, UM, YOU RECORDED ALL OF THE BOARDINGS, BUT DURING THAT TIME, DID YOU SEE ANYBODY COMING INTO, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RECORD THE ALLIANCE BECAUSE WE KNOW IN A STATION LIKE THIS, PROBABLY ALL WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO SAY ABOUT 98% OR A HUNDRED REALLY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.
ANYBODY THAT GETS ON HERE IS COMING BACK HERE.
AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T REALLY A DESTINATION AS OF NOW, RIGHT.
COMING UP TO LEANDER, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I DID SEE SOMEONE ON A BICYCLE COME OFF AND RIDE THEIR BIKE.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GOT ON, BUT THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AGAIN, ONE OF, OF VERY FEW, UH, FOR, FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY THAT GETS ON HERE IS COMING BACK.
WELL, THE ARGUMENT IS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT IT BRINGS PEOPLE UP FOR EMPLOYMENT.
AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE SAW ANY EFFECT OF THAT ONE.
WE DID, WE DID NOT SEE MUCH OF THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A QUALITATIVE STATEMENT.
AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN A STATION LIKE THIS, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN MUCH.
I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF FOLKS BEING DROPPED OFF HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY RIGHT UP IN THE MORNING, THE COURT MEN WILL PICK THEM UP.
THEY GO TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE AND THEY'LL DROP THEM OFF BACK IN THE EVENING.
I SAW THE SAME PERSON PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY FOR THE MONTH.
SO TWO TO THREE PEOPLE, UM, LOTS OF THINGS WE DID SEE A FEW TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAY HAVE PARKED AND TOOK THE TRAIN OUT IN THE MORNING, THEN HAD SOMEBODY COME IN AND, AND DROVE BACK WITH SOMEBODY AND THEY DROPPED THEM OFF TO PICK UP THEIR VEHICLE TO GO HOME.
UM, BUT YEAH, VERY MINIMAL WHEN IT COMES TO EMPLOYMENT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT TIME, A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE TRANSIT DEMAND, RIGHT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH TRANSIT DEMAND A PERSON, WHEN THEY WALK OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY HAVE A UTILITY OF, OF MEANING.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE TRADE OFF DECISIONS TO GET TO POINT A, TO POINT B
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AND WHAT ARE ALL THOSE DECISION POINTS TO GET THERE? WE DO IT INSTANTLY.BUT WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS BACK UP AND DO IT KIND OF HOLISTICALLY WHAT A, WHAT A COMMUNITY WOULD DO.
AND YOU THINK ABOUT NORTHBOUND, RIGHT? IF I HAVE A VEHICLE, THEN YOU'RE LIKELY GOING TO TAKE A VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE FASTER, LIKELY IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT CHEAPER, BUT TO THEM IN THEIR MIND, IT IS CHEAPER.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE FOLKS DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH A CAR TRULY COSTS.
IT'S JUST A PERCEIVED COST, BUT SO FOLKS WILL GET IN THEIR CAR.
MOST OF THE TIME WE'LL PICK CARS.
SO WHY WOULD, AND THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE THE AVERAGE TRANSIT, MODAL SPLIT, MEANING HOW MANY FOLKS USE TRANSIT IS USUALLY ABOUT LESS THAN 10%, 5, 3, 2, YOU KNOW, IN OUR REGION.
IT'S LIKE, IF YOU TOOK ALL OF THE TRIPS, IT'S, I THINK IT'S ABOUT ONE OR 2%.
SO, SO YOU'RE ONLY WORKING WITH A SMALL SLICE AS IT IS.
AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A TRAVEL TIME BENEFIT.
YOU GET OFF AND THERE'S A STATION.
YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TRANSPORTATION FROM THE STATION, MAYBE THE PICKUP.
AND IT BECOMES A PRETTY LONG RIDE AT THAT POINT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT RIDERSHIP DROPS OFF PRETTY QUICKLY.
ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON DISABILITIES? SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BOARDING THAT HAVE DISABILITIES? BECAUSE ONE THING WE WOULD HAVE TO COVER IS IF WE GOT OUT OF CAP METRO, YEAH.
WE WOULD HAVE TO COVER THAT WITH THE LOWER OKAY.
ANY SERVICE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE, IF YOU WERE TO LET ME BACK UP, IF THE CITY CHOSE TO PROVIDE THAT ANOTHER SERVICE, YOU WOULD WANT TO BE ADA COMPLIANT.
MA'AM AND I'LL LET THE LEGAL COUNSEL RESPOND TO THAT WHEREVER THEY ARE.
I THINK SHE'S ASKING, WAS THERE ANY NOT DO WE NEED TO BRING YEAH.
WE'VE SEEN SOME FOLKS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY WHEELCHAIRS OR, UH, FOLKS OF THAT, BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO COULD BE TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED DISABLED THAT WERE TAKING THE TRAIN AND, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT ON THE PICKUP SERVICE THAN YOU WILL ON THE TRAIN AND THE, AND THE, UM, CAUSE WHEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DISABLED AND YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR, IT'S THE MOBILITY AS YOU GET TO DOWNTOWN OR TO YOUR STOP, IT NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING DOWNTOWN.
WE DID DO AN ANALYSIS OF WHERE FOLKS ARE GOING ALONG THE LINE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET THERE, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING AFTER YOU, YOU KNOW, YOUR MOBILITY AFTER.
SO WHAT WE SEE A LOT IS MORE OF THE, THE, THE DISABLED COMMUNITY ON THE PICKUP SERVICE, OR WHAT'S CALLED DEMAND RESPONSE SERVICE, WHERE IT'S DOOR TO DOOR.
HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHERE THEY'RE GOING? OH, WE LOOKED AT CELL PHONE DATA.
SO WE CAN TRACK, WE CAN TRACK WHERE POCKETS OF FOLKS ARE GOING.
AND SO, I MEAN, ALL YOUR LOCATIONS ARE, BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO'S ON THERE? YOU ARE.
YOU'RE CORRELATING THAT WITH THE LICENSE PLATE TO THEIR PHONE NUMBER.
SO THE CELL PHONE DATA, WE CAN LOOK AT ABOUT A HUNDRED METER BY A HUNDRED METERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT FEDERAL LAW ALLOWS US TO BREAK DOWN TO CELL PHONES.
SO WE CAN WATCH PROBABLY THIS WHOLE GROUP LEAVE HERE AND GO SOMEWHERE, BUT A HUNDRED METERS.
BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE THE FOLKS AT THE, THE RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER A HUNDRED METER IS BY A HUNDRED FEET OR I DON'T KNOW, 300 FEET.
AND SO WE CAN SEE THAT GROUP GO IN, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE WHEREVER, YOU'D LIKE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MARGIN OF ERROR IN THERE, BUT YOU'RE PAYING A CELL TOWER.
AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS.
WE LOOKED AT TWO WAYS OF LOOKING AT THIS.
WE LOOKED AT WHERE FOLKS ARE GOING FROM THE CAPTURE AREA, THAT PARABOLA SHAPE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WHEN WE SAW OKAY, WHERE, AND THEN WE CUT DISTRICTS BY THE STATIONS AND WE SAID, OKAY, WHERE ARE Y'ALL GOING? AND IT, AND IT, AND IT MATCHES UP WITH THE RIDERSHIP QUITE NICELY, WHICH IS GOOD.
CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES BECAUSE WHEN YOU USE DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIMILAR, RIGHT.
CAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN SOMETHING'S OFF.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE, THE COMPANY THAT WE USE TRACKS, TRANSIT USERS MUCH MORE CLOSELY, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT TRANSIT USERS.
SO WE LOOKED AT BOTH OF THOSE SOURCES TO TELL, UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO REQUESTED, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE RECEIVED THE BOARDING, A LIGHTING SURVEY, WHICH SHOWS US WHERE SOMEONE GOT ON AND WHERE SOMEONE GOT OFF FROM CAP METRO.
AND THAT WILL BE A THIRD DATA SOURCE.
IT WILL TELL US THAT AS WELL, BUT SINCE THE TWO KIND OF MIRRORED UP, I'M, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIRD ONE WILL AS WELL, WHERE EXACTLY WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING OFF WHEN MAJORITY, UH, 40% DOWNTOWN AND THEN IT KIND OF, AND THEN IT CHANGED, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT AT MLK THAT WOULD BE THE UNIVERSITY.
AND THEN YOU GET SOME THAT ARE GOING TO THE, UH, THE DOMAIN, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF, BUT MOST, I WOULD SAY 40 TO 45% IS DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S JUST MORE OF A Q AND A, WE'VE GOT A, THERE WE GO.
WE HAVE A MUCH LARGER PRESENTATION TO PROVIDE IN DECEMBER.
WITH PROBABLY ANSWERS TO MOST OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOT DEBATE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
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MARIN COUNCIL.I WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES JUST TO PUT SOME INFORMATION ON YOUR RADAR, AS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PROVIDED TO YOU BY THE GOODMAN CORPORATION, WE PROVIDED YOU SOME WRITTEN INFORMATION FOR YOUR PURPOSES.
UH, KIND OF RE UH, JUST TO RECAP, UM, IF THE CITY WERE TO DECIDE TO, UM, CALL AN ELECTION ON THE QUESTION OF WITHDRAWING FROM CAP METRO, AS A REMINDER STATUTE SETS WHAT THAT BALLOT LANGUAGE WOULD BE, AND THAT'S PROVIDED TO YOU.
SO CITY DOESN'T HAVE DISCRETION.
WHAT THAT BALLOT LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE.
UM, A YES, VOTE MEANS THE CITY STAYS IN CAP METRO AND NO VOTE MEANS THE CITY WITHDRAWS.
UH, WE PROVIDED YOU SOME INFORMATION REGARDING WHAT THE EFFECT OF A VOTE TO STAY IN A VOTE TO WITHDRAWAL WOULD BE THE, THE MAIN THING THAT WE WANT TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR IS THAT THAT 1% SALES TAX THAT IS, UM, ASSIGNED TO THE CITY THAT IS ALLOCATED CURRENTLY ALLOCATED TO CAP METRO THAT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY BECOME REASSIGNED TO THE CITY AFTER THE ELECTION IS, UH, GOES THROUGH.
AND AS YOU AWARE, AS YOU ARE AWARE, CAP METRO WOULD CERTIFY THE NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION THAT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO PAY BACK TO CAP METRO FOR ANY CAPITAL AND RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY FOR THE SERVICES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SO FAR.
BUT ONCE THAT AMOUNT IS, AND THE SALES TAX HAS CONTINUED TO BE COLLECTED AND PAID TO CAP METRO UNTIL THAT NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS PAID OFF.
BUT AFTER THAT TIME, UM, UNLESS THE CITY TAKES SOME AFFIRMATIVE ACTION TO PUT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS IN ALTERNATIVE USE OF THAT 1%, THAT 1% PAID TO CAP METRO WOULD GO, WOULD GO AWAY.
SO PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO PUT IN YOUR MINDS AT THIS TIME FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MAKING THE DECISIONS YOU THINK ARE, ARE RELEVANT, IS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF YOU WANT TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE OR ADDITIONAL SALES TAX THAT WOULD REPLACE THE CAP METRO SALES TAX, UH, SHOULD THE VOTERS APPROVE A WITHDRAWAL? AND THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF SALES TAXES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, AND THE CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THE FIRST DECISION POINT THAT YOU WOULD MAKE IN RELATION TO ASSUMING YOU WERE TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH CALLING AN ELECTION ON THE QUESTION OF STAYING IN CAP METRO, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS FOR YOU WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT TO ALSO INCLUDE ON THAT SAME BALLOT, AN ALTERNATIVE SALES TAX FOR THE VOTERS TO CONSIDER PUTTING INTO PLACE SHOULD THAT, UH, ELECTION MEASURE BE APPROVED.
SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST DECISION AS A COUNCIL.
DO YOU WANT TO PUT THAT FORWARD AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU PUT THAT CAP METRO BALLOT PROPOSITION FORWARD? UM, IF YOU DO SO THEN IT'S A CONTINGENT MEASURE.
IT'S IF THE VOTERS APPROVE WITHDRAWAL FROM CAP, METRO, THEN VOTE ON THIS SALES TAX, DO YOU WANT THIS SALES TAX TO BE IN EFFECT AS EFFECTIVELY HOW THAT PROPOSITION WOULD LOOK TO THE VOTERS? SO, AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, WOULD ELECT THE NEXT DECISION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IS WHAT SALES TAX OR WHAT COMBINATION OF SALES TAX DO WE WANT TO PUT FORWARD TO THE VOTERS? THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS.
UM, THERE IS A GENERAL PURPOSE SALES AND USE TAX, AND THAT, UH, IS CAPPED OUT AT 1%.
THAT IS, UH, GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND AND CAN BE USED FOR ANY LAWFUL PURPOSE.
THE CITY ALREADY HAS THAT, THAT IN EFFECT.
SO THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU ARE THERE THE REST IN THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH, WHICH IS, UH, SEE-THROUGH I, THE, THE MOST COMMON SALES TAX THAT YOU SEE D C CITIES CONSIDER ARE THE FORAY FOR B ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SALES TAXES.
THOSE ARE, UH, YOU CAN ADOPT THOSE IN VARYING INCREMENTS FROM AS LITTLE AS 0.1, TWO, 5% UP TO 1% TO THE FULL 1% THAT'S AVAILABLE.
YOU CAN ADOPT A COMBINATION OF SALES TAX.
SO THIS INFORMATION PROVIDES YOU, UH, THE INCREMENT, THE SMALLEST INCREMENT THAT YOU CAN ELECT TO, UM, UM, PUT FORWARD TO THE VOTERS UP TO THE MAXIMUM, UH, THE FOUR AND FOUR B SALES TAXES PROVIDE YOU REVENUES THAT YOU WOULD USE TO YOU TO ESTABLISH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
IT IS A, UH, NOT A NON-FOR-PROFIT ENTITY AND NOT-FOR-PROFIT ENTITY.
UM, AND IT ADMINISTERED THE FUNDS THAT GO TO THE, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT USES THAT, UH, ENTITY
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APPROVES PROJECTS, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE HAS OVERSIGHT.YOU POINT THE BOARD, YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET AND YOU, UM, COUNTERSIGN AND APPROVE THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE APPROVED BY THAT BOARD.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
AND THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOUR AND FOUR B IS THE FOUR B HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH EXPENDITURES.
IT CAN, AND PROJECTS IT CAN FUND.
IT CAN ALSO FUND PUBLIC PARKS.
WE'RE GIVING YOU A BROAD OVERVIEW AT THIS TIME, SO THAT YOU CAN, UM, ALSO INDICATE WHEN AND HOW YOU'D LIKE TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL, MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THESE OPTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
A MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS ANOTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.
IT'S USED MORE TOWARDS, UH, MORE SOCIAL PROGRAMS. AS YOU CAN SEE, JOB TRAINING, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, ONE THAT'S USED MORE FREQUENTLY AS A MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF ENTITY IS THAT YOU CAN, UM, CHOOSE THAT TO THE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT BE LOCATED ONLY IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.
IT DOES, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
YOU CAN ELECT TO, UM, HAVE THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT DISTRICT TO BE SOMETHING SMALLER THAN THE CITY.
YOU CAN ALSO EXPAND THE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT INTO THE ETJ THAT ASSUMES THAT THERE IS SALES TAX AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO CAPTURE OUT THERE.
UH, LOCAL TAXING JURISDICTIONS HAVE, UH, A 2% SALES TAX THAT, THAT YOU CAN ADOPT.
UM, BUT IT'S A FIRST IN TIME, UM, TYPE OF A PROPOSITION WHERE IF THE SALES TAX HAS ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED BY ANOTHER JURISDICTION AND THE SALES TAX THAT YOU TJ IS AT 2% ALREADY, THE CITY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT THROUGH A MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.
IT'S TRUE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE CURRENTLY MAXED OUT AT, UH, YOUR SALES TAX WITHIN THE CITY IS BECAUSE OF THE CAP METRO SALES TAX.
THE MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS VERY SIMILAR TO A FOUR B AND HAS THE SAME AUTHORITY, UH, THE DIFFERENCES, THE FOOTPRINT, YOU CAN CONTROL THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE TAX IS MAXED OUT AT, AT, AT 50 CENTS.
THERE'S A STREET MAINTENANCE SALES TAX THAT, UH, HAS TO BE READOPTED EVERY FOUR YEARS, AND IT WILL EXPIRE FOUR YEARS UNLESS THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT.
SO IF YOU DO APPROVE THE STREET MAINTENANCE SALES TAX, BE AWARE THAT HAS A SUNSET ON IT, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE ACTION EVERY FOUR YEARS TO RE ADOPT.
UH, THE REVENUE FROM THAT TAX CAN ONLY BE USED TO MAINTAIN EXISTING STREETS.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU CAN NOT USE IT TOWARDS NEW ROADS.
UH, THERE'S A MUNICIPAL SALES TAX FOR PROPERTY RELIEF, AND THAT IS, THOSE FUNDS ARE DEPOSITED IN THE CITY'S GENERAL REVENUE FUND, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO REDUCE YOUR EFFECTIVE ENROLL.
IT AFFECTS YOUR TAX, THE TAX RATE THAT YOU WOULD ADOPT.
YOU'VE GOT TO LOWER YOUR PROPERTY TAX IN CONNECTION WITH THE, THAT SALES TAX THAT YOU ADOPT.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS THERE THEY'RE LESS COMMON THEY'RE NOTED THERE.
SO THAT IS THE LIST OF SALES TAXES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER EITHER ONE OR A COMBINATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT? UM, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, I GUESS, HAVE A WORKSHOP OR HOW ARE YOU RECOMMENDING? WE MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE COALESCING AROUND SPECIFIC ONE TO CHOOSE.
AND WHAT IS THE TIME I THINK OF THAT? A WORKSHOP WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD FIT THAT INTO YOUR PROJECT SCHEDULE AND YOUR DECISION SCHEDULE.
AND SO I WOULD, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT WITH THE STAFF ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED FOR TIMING OF A WORKSHOP, OKAY.
DECEMBER I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE NEXT SECTION IS KEY DATES.
AND SO THAT'S RELEVANT TO THAT.
SECOND QUESTION YOU HAVE, WHICH IS THE DEADLINE FOR CALLING THE KENT.
METRO ELECTION IS FEBRUARY 6TH, 2022.
UH, WE RECOMMEND TARGETING JANUARY 20TH.
THAT'S THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY FOR THE COUNCIL, JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT CAN'T BE ADOPTED FROM THE DIOCESE, MORE QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION YOU NEED, THAT GIVES YOU ONE MORE MEETING TO CALL THE SELECTION BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
THE GENERAL ELECTION IS FEBRUARY 18TH.
THAT'S THE DEADLINE TO CALL THE GENERAL ELECTION, UH, THAT IMPACTS YOUR CHARTER WHEN YOU, THE TIMING OF YOUR CHARTER ELECTION, JUST AS AN FYI.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO COMBINE A S A SALES TAX WITH A CAP, METRO ELECTION, YOUR DEADLINE FOR THOSE THAT COMBINED BALLOT IS FEBRUARY 6TH.
SO WE RECOMMEND TARGETING JANUARY 20TH.
AND I THINK THAT PUTS YOUR WORKSHOP
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IN, IN DECEMBER, IF NOT EARLIER, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO HAVE ONE CURRENT PAGE.SO THE, IN THE PROJECT SCHEDULE, THEY'RE COMING BACK ON THE 16TH WITH THE PRELIMINARY FINAL, AND THE ONLY PART THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CINCH UP IS REALLY WHAT Y'ALL'S PREFERENCES ARE ON HOW IT WILL BE FINALIZED ON IF THERE ARE SOME LOCAL TRANSIT OPTIONS, OR IF YOU WANT A LOCAL TRANSIT OPTION.
AND THEN THE FINAL FINAL IS REALLY JUST DELIVERY IN JANUARY, JANUARY 10TH.
WE WILL PROVIDE ALL OF THE INFORMATION BY DECEMBER, DECEMBER, AND THEN, AND THEN REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BETWEEN MID DECEMBER AND JANUARY IS JUST WRITE UP A REPORT FOR Y'ALL AND FOR RECORD KEEPING.
SO THAT AT THAT POINT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, ANSWER, WE PROBABLY COULD NOW ON AD-LIB, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, CAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE REALLY TIGHTEN THIS UP CAUSE WE WANT TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE AND GIVE YOU THE BEST DATA POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST NEED ANOTHER FEW DAYS THE ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE PIECE OF THE DATA NOW THAT'S THE SECOND PIECE, RIGHT? THERE'S THE TWO MAIN PILLARS, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, SO WE'LL HAVE THE, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL MEET WITH STAFF AS WELL, AND WE CAN PROVIDE, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVES.
I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TELL ME HOW MANY ALTERNATIVES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOW, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, JUST A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
WE CAN PROVIDE A PREFERRED GIVEN OUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE.
CAUSE THAT NUMBER IS, CAN BE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO MAYBE LIKE A, UH, A LOW WHERE WE WERE THINKING IS LOW COST, MEDIUM COST AND SUPREME.
AND THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, NOT ONLY THE COST ASPECT OF IT, BUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PIECE OF IT.
BECAUSE IF, IF THIS, IF WE DO END UP PULLING OUT OF CAP METRO, THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE GROUND LIKE YESTERDAY, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A PIECE OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE ALONG WITH THAT.
AND I THINK FOR IMPLEMENTATION, I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION WILL BE PRETTY SIMILAR, NO MATTER WHICH KIND OF CAUGHT, IT'S JUST MORE, HOW MANY SERVICE HOURS DO YOU WANT TO PUT OUT THERE AND HOW MUCH, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GOES TO QUALITY OF SERVICE, NOT QUALITY AS IN THE BUS WILL STILL BE NICE REGARDLESS.
RIGHT? WE WANT TO PUT OUT A NICE PUBLIC ASSET, BUT IT'S MORE JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN DOES THE BUS COME WHEN, WHEN, WHERE, HOW ET CETERA, SO WE CAN DEVELOP, WE'VE ALREADY SOME SCENARIOS OR JUST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN NARROW THOSE DOWN AND PROVIDE SOME THREE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, PRICE IS REALLY THE BEST, BEST WAY TO LOOK AT THAT.
I ASSUME ON THE BALLOT, UM, CAP METRO AND THEN SALES TAX CORPORATION, OR WHATEVER ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THE COUNCIL DECIDES THE ORDER OF THE BALLOT.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHERE DOES IT COME COMPARED TO LIKE CHARTER AMENDMENTS? SO THAT'S PERFECT.
THE COUNCIL DECIDES, AND YOU'LL HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE ABOUT ALL OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? ALRIGHT.
ARE WE, IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN DECEMBER? CAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CAPTURE EVERYTHING.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SCOPE AND YOU'VE SEEN OUR SCOPE.
IS THERE ANYTHING, MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN THE SCOPE, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE A BURNING QUESTION THAT YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS THIS.
IT'S NOT IN THE DATA COLLECTION, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW IF IT'S LEGAL TO CONTRACT RAIL SERVICE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? I DO HAVE ONE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE COLLECTING SALES TAX IN THE, IN THE EXTRA, IN THE TJ, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN HOW THAT WOULD WORK? BECAUSE I KNOW WE, WE DON'T, SO YOU HAVE TO CREATE A JURISDICTION TO COLLECT SALES TAX AND THEN WE'RE, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DEBT OR WHATEVER THE PENALTY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY AND WOULD THAT BE A PORTION? AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THE OTHER PORTION TO APPLY TO, UH, WHATEVER WE CHOOSE, WHETHER IT'S 40 OR 40, I NOTED THE MDD IS AN OPTION.
THE REALITY MAY BE, IT MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PURSUE, WE WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM WHETHER THERE'S ANY SALES TAX AVAILABLE IN THE TJ.
WELL, THERE IS, I KNOW, I KNOW IN SOME AREAS IT'S NOT, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IT'S, YOU'VE ALREADY MAXED OUT 2%.
ALL THE LOCAL TAXING JURISDICTIONS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN UP ALL THAT 2% INCREMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ESD IS OUT THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO I'M, I'M AWARE OF SOME AREAS IN THE ETJ WHERE THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT ALL OF THE TEACHERS.
SO THAT'S A INFORMATIONAL QUESTION.
AND THEN YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW, HOW YOU DO IT, UH, WHEN YOU, THE BALLOT LANGUAGE HAS TO STATE, UM, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO APPLY IN THE TJ OR NOT.
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THERE'S A MAP THAT ACCOMPANIES THE ORDINANCE, CALLING THE ELECTION FIBER.IF I RECALL THIS CORRECTLY, DONE IT BEFORE FOR, FOR AN ENTITY THAT DID AN ETJ, YOU HAVE A MAP THAT ACCOMPANIES THAT ORDINANCE.
AND THEN IF THE ELECTION IS SUCCESSFUL, THAT GOES TO THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
SO THEY KNOW WHO NEEDS TO BE COLLECTING THAT TAX.
I ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT UP TO A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER.
AND AT THAT TIME, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF OUR ETJ THAT HAD COMMERCIAL.
AND LIKE THE BIG ONE OF THESE WEEK THAT'S LIBERTY HILDY TJ THEY'RE ALREADY COLLECTING.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO THE, THE PENALTY PART WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
AND I, AND MAYBE YOU CAN PRESENT THIS LATER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DETAIL NOW, BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE PENALTY PART, HOW THAT GETS PAID AND HOW WE STILL HAVE ANYTHING LEFTOVER TO DO THIS.
I'M ASSUMING NOT THE WHOLE 1% WOULD GO FOR THE PENALTY.
A PORTION OF IT WOULD BE FOR THE PENALTY.
AND THEN WE STILL KNOW THE 1% IT CONTINUES TO BE PAID.
SO IT'S THE ENTIRE 1% UNTIL IT'S.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE CAN'T, THIS CAN'T BE IMPLEMENTED.
THE OPTIONS CAN'T BE IMPLEMENTED UNTIL THAT PENALTY IS PAID.
IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE VOTERS HAVE APPROVED IT.
AND IT WOULD JUST GO INTO EFFECT ONCE THE DENTIST OR THE PENALTY IS PAID, HOW THE COMPTROLLER MESSAGES, MESSAGES THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO PAY THE SALES TAX THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
UH, WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP.
PLEASE BE BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR A MEETING.
[4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, 2021.
THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL, TIM SCOTT CHAPLAIN FOR POLICE AND FIRE, AS WELL AS ASSOCIATE PASTOR OF VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH IN CEDAR PARK, WE'LL BE PROVIDING OUR INVOCATION.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PASTOR SCOTT LET'S PRAY HEAVENLY FATHER.
GOD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE MAYOR, ALL THE ONES THAT ARE REPRESENTED HERE, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT CITY.
WE LIVE IN THIS, PRAY THAT YOUR HAND WILL BE UPON THE MEETING TONIGHT AND EVERYTHING DISCUSSED AND EVERYTHING VOTED ON.
AND GOD WE KNOW THAT, UH, UH, YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING.
WE PRAY FOR ALL THE FIRE AND THE POLICE AND EVERYONE THAT KEEPS US SAFE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR, UH, THERE'S THE PRIVILEGE TO LIVE HERE, PRAY THAT YOUR HAND WILL BE UPON THIS MEETING AND UPON OUR COMMUNITY.
AND AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY.
AMEN STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE IS EXCESS SLACK BUDGET ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE.
THANK YOU, PASTOR CITY, SECRETARY
[5. Roll Call.]
CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER HERE.COUNCIL MEMBER
QUORUM IS PRESENT IN THE CITY COUNCILS ELIGIBLE DO BUSINESS ITEM SIX NON-AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I WILL CALL AND SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
I DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS AGENDA? ALL RIGHT.
[7. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. Proclamation issued for 2021 Small Business Saturday Recognition of Glenn High School Boy's Basketball Team]
ITEM SEVEN.UM, A PROCLAMATION WAS ISSUED FOR 2021 SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2010, SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY PROUDLY BACKED BY AMERICAN EXPRESS HAS ILLUMINATED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SUPPORTING SMALL INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BUSINESSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, FALLING BETWEEN BLACK FRIDAY AND CYBER MONDAY.
IT'S A DAY DEDICATED TO SUPPORTING A DIVERSE RANGE OF LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT HELP CREATE JOBS, BOOST THE ECONOMY AND KEEP COMMUNITIES THRIVING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO IN LEANDER, WE ARE HOPING THAT AS YOU'RE GOING OUT AND DOING YOUR HOLIDAY SHOPPING, YOU'RE
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REMEMBERING TO COME BACK AND SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES HERE IN TOWN.NEXT, WE HAVE A RECOGNITION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.
WE HAVE A RECOGNITION BY THE CITY OF GLEN HIGH SCHOOL BOYS, BASKETBALL TEAM, UM, FOR THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
AND LAST YEAR SEASON TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE SEASON STATS, THE GLEN HIGH SCHOOL, A BOYS' BASKETBALL TEAM, THEIR TEAM RECORD WAS 23 AND FIVE FOR UIL STATE SEMI-FINALISTS.
THEY MADE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR.
THEY WERE DISTRICT 25, 5 8 CHAMPIONS.
THEY WERE BY DISTRICT CHAMPIONS, GLEN 59 AND KERRVILLE TAVI 47.
GLEN HAD 93 AND SAM HOUSTON HAD 58.
REGIONAL QUARTER FINAL CHAMPIONS, GLEN 74 AND BERNIE CHAMPION, 60 REGIONAL SEMI-FINAL CHAMPIONS, GLEN 61, VICTORIA WEST 59, REGIONAL FINAL CHAMPIONS, GLENN 57, MEK ALLEN 50.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TEAM SPORT IN SCHOOL HISTORY TO MAKE IT TO STATE SEVEN PLAYERS ON THE ALL'S DISTRICT AND ACADEMIC ALL DISTRICT TEAMS. THERE WERE TWO PLAYERS ON THE TABC, ALL REGION TEAM, ONE PLAYER ON THE TABC ALLSTATE TEAM, AND ONE PLAYER ON THE ACADEMIC ALLSTATE TEAM.
THE CERTIFICATE OF COMMENDATION READS, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT GLEN HIGH SCHOOL BOYS BASKETBALL IS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF LANDER, TEXAS FOR OUTSTANDING ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
DURING THE 2021 SEASON, AS A TEAM, THEY EXCELLED ALL SEASON LONG.
THE CITY SINCERELY APPRECIATES THE COUNTLESS HOURS OF HARD WORK AND EFFORT SHARED AMONG ALL THE GLAM HIGH SCHOOL GRIZZLY TEAM MEMBERS, STAFF, VOLUNTEERS, AND THEIR FAMILIES.
THIS CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED IN RECOGNITION THEREOF ON THIS DAY, NOVEMBER 4TH, 2021
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.UH, AGENDA ITEM 21 CONTAINED A SCRIBNER'S ERROR.
AND THE NEW PROJECT TOTAL IS $14,842,229, NOT $14,096,230.
UM, COUNCIL WILL NOW CONSIDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EIGHT AND TO 13 THROUGH 22 COUNCIL.
THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR MOTION PASSES, UH, FOR ITEM 21, THE ONE WITH THE SCRIBNER'S ERROR.
IS THERE A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CORRECTIONS? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[23. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Comprehensive Plan Case 21-CPA-006 to amend the Comprehensive Plan land use category from Neighborhood Center, Multi-Use Corridor and Neighborhood Residential to Transitional Residential and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-013 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban), LO-2-A (Local Office), and LC-2-C (Local Commercial) to adopt the Enclave at Crystal Falls PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base zoning district of TF-2-A (Two-Family) and LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on three (3) parcels of land approximately 14.452 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R559253, R031342, and R031341; and more commonly known as 10959, 10965, and 10981 E. Crystal Falls Parkway, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Case 21-CPA-006 as described above. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-013 as described above. ]
ITEM 23, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE 21, CPA 0 0 6.TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER MULTI-USE CORRIDOR AND NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL TO TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 1 3.
TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN
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A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OFUM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A PUDS ZONING CHANGE.
UM, THE, THE FIRST ITEM THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION ON IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, CURRENTLY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE EASTERN PORTION IS WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND IN THE WESTERN PORTION IS WITHIN A MULTI-USE CORRIDOR.
UM, THESE LAND USE CATEGORIES HAVE A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ALLOWED.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 40% AND, UM, THEIR PROJECT INCLUDES MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY PERMITTED.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO, UM, CHANGE THE LAND USE CATEGORY TO TRANSITIONAL, UM, AS PART OF THEIR REQUEST, UH, THEY'RE DOING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THAT INCLUDES TWO BASED ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, ARE INCLUDING THE TF TWO FAMILY AND LC LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
THE REASON THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS TO ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE LOT.
SO, UM, YOU COULD DO TWO FAMILIES ZONING WITHOUT A PET, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD A STREET NETWORK AND THEN YOU WOULD PLOT OUT DIFFERENT LOTS TO HAVE THE DUPLEXES.
UM, THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL PIECE IS LOCATED ON THE FAR EASTERN SIDE HERE, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT, UM, TO ALLOW FOR MORE COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THE REQUESTS DURING THE OCTOBER 14TH MEETING.
UM, THE COMMISSION DID NOT TAKE ACTION.
UM, THEY HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REQUEST.
UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORIES WITH REGARDS TO THE MIXTURE OF USES AS WELL AS CHANGING THE DISTRICT FROM A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THIS PROJECT DOES INCLUDE 120 UNITS, UM, AS WELL AS I THINK IT'S PUSHED TO 6,800, MAYBE I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT, UM, SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU.
AND, UH, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS PROJECT.
UH, AS, AS ROBIN TOLD YOU, HER, HER EXHIBITS ARE ACTUALLY BETTER THAN MINE.
SO KIND OF BLAST THROUGH SOME OF MINE, BUT HERE'S OUR, HERE'S OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL.
UH, AS SHE SAID, WE DID EXPAND THE RETAIL PORTION OF OUR PROJECT SLIGHTLY.
UH, AND THAT WAS AT THE, AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED THERE, THIS IS WHAT THE, UH, FRONT ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSES WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND I WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, THEY HAVE A PROPOSED HUNDRED AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UH, I'VE BEEN DOING LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR 38 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
THEY THEY'VE GOT THEM ALL PRE-SOLD AND A WAITING LIST THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH DEMAND THERE IS FOR, UH, WHAT I'LL CALL MIDDLEMISS A MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IN THE, IN THE LAND OR CORRIDOR.
UM, SO AS I STATED, UM, WHEN WE STARTED OUR, OUR PLAN WAS WHAT WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
WE HAD 6,800 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL PROPOSED.
UH, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE, WE HUDDLED UP AGAIN AND WE EXPANDED THAT IT'S, UH, 220% OF WHAT WE STARTED OUT WITH.
UH, WE WENT FROM 6,800 TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE DON'T HAVE MORE RETAIL ON THERE.
SO THE, UH, THE FOLKS THAT I'M WORKING FOR BESIDES BEING DEVELOPERS ARE ALSO BROKERS.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN MARKETING THEIR PROJECT AND DONE QUITE WELL ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, OBVIOUSLY ON THE COMMERCIAL PORTION, THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN IS THAT, UH, ANY RETAIL TENANTS HAD COME IN ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING SUPPORTED BY EXISTING ROOFTOPS IN THE AREA.
THEY SAID, THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE DRIVE BY TRAFFIC AT THIS TIME.
SO THEY'RE FRANKLY NOT COMFORTABLE.
I MEAN, THE DILEMMA THEY HAVE IS THERE'S SUCH DEMAND FOR THEIR RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THEY FEEL LIKE ANY OF THEM, THEY TAKE OUT IS GOING TO BE, THEY'RE TAKING LITERALLY TAKING A HOUSE AWAY FROM SOMEBODY THAT REALLY WANTS IT.
AND THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT THE RETAIL UNITS, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE TO EXPAND THIS TO SAY DOUBLE THE,
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THE CURRENT SIZE GO UP TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET TENANTS IN THERE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THE CORRIDOR MATURES A LITTLE BIT MORE.UM, WE DID A STUDY, UH, ALSO THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ON WHETHER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS INTENDED TO BE ON A SITE BY SITE BASIS OF 40% OR WHETHER IT WAS ON A LARGER CORRIDOR BASIS.
SO WE DID A LITTLE STUDY, JUST THE, THE BLOCK BETWEEN RIDGE MAR AND RONALD REAGAN, BOTH SIDES.
WE WENT 500 FEET DEEP, AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, UH, 41.5, 8 41 0.05 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND 38 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL.
NOW THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA, COINCIDENTALLY ARE TWO REZONING CASES IN THIS CORRIDOR.
AND IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE, IT WOULD BE 61% COMMERCIAL AND 28% RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL WILL AGREE THAT THE, THE RETAIL THAT WE HAVE IN THERE IS BENEFICIAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UH, TH UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU CAN APPROVE OUR PROJECT.
UM, I DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL HERE.
I'LL, I'LL BE KIND OF QUICK, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, LEANDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I, I READ THROUGH IT TO SEE HOW, HOW WE STOOD IN COMPARISON TO THE PLAN.
AND I LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE REALLY DOING WELL ON GOAL NUMBER 10, WHICH IS YOUR HOUSING LONG-TERM NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY AND BALANCED, DIVERSE MIX OF HOUSING.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY BRINGING THAT TO LEANDER WITH, UH, THE MIX OF HOUSING THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS THE TRANSITIONAL LAND USE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THIS IS OUT OF, UH, THIS IS AGAIN, OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON PAGE 26, THE TRANSITIONAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY PROVIDES A MORE COMPATIBLE TRANSITION TO LOWER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BEHIND US FROM, FROM CRYSTAL FALLS.
AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH A SLIGHTLY GREATER DENSITY AND HOUSING TYPES IN THOSE ALLOWED AND NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING A PRODUCT THAT I THINK WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY OF LEANDER, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT OUR REQUESTS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HI, I'M DAVID CAVALIER WITH CAPILLARY REAL ESTATE.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS.
AND I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM, UM, THE, UH, FOUNDER AND CEO OF, UH, KANG SHAN CUTLERY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING A, UH, 400,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH, UH, 300 PLUS EMPLOYEES ON, UH, UH, HERITAGE GROVE ROAD.
AND, UH, THE CEO HENRY LUCE, UH, WROTE A LETTER, UH, BASICALLY, UH, TO THE, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, SUPPORTING THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS.
AND I JUST LIKE TO READ IT IF THAT'S OKAY.
UH, DEAR MAYOR, AND EXCUSE ME, DEAR MAYOR AND LEANDER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY READING GLASSES.
UH, I WISH TO ISSUE, UH, MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS DEVELOPMENT AS A POTENTIAL MAJOR EMPLOYER BRINGING 300 PLUS JOBS TO THE CITY OF LEANDER.
I AM COUNTING ON, UH, THIS KIND OF RESIDENCE TO BE AVAILABLE FOR MY FUTURE EMPLOYEES AND OTHER RESIDENTS NEEDING MISSING MIDDLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WITHOUT THIS LEVEL OF HOUSING, I'M AFRAID IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR SOME ENTRY-LEVEL EMPLOYEES AND YOUNG GENERATION RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
SINCE THERE ARE SO FEW RESIDENTS AS AVAILABLE IN THE LOW THREE HUNDREDS IN LEANDER, I AM ASKING YOU TO THINK AND SUPPORT THIS KIND OF PROJECT FOR LONG-TERM AND FOR THE CITY'S FANTASTIC GROWTH.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS TO THE CITY BEST HENRY LOU.
WAS THAT ALL FROM Y'ALL? OKAY.
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HEARING IS NOW OPEN.I WOULD CALL AND SPEAKERS WHO SUBMITTED CARDS.
UM, I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED CARDS, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S THE TWO OF YOU.
SO THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, UM, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WHO DID NOT SIGN UP? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE 21, CPA 0, 0 6 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? UM, WE HAD, UH, TWO CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THE STAFF WANTED Y'ALL TO CONSIDER IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT.
UM, IT'S THE REGARDS TO, UM, WATER CONSERVATION AND LANDSCAPING.
UM, THESE WERE AMENDMENTS WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING TO THE ORDINANCE IN THE FUTURE, SO WE THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO INCLUDE IT IN THE PUD.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIMITING THE TURF GRASS AND THE NARROW STRIPS ADJACENT TO STREET CURBS BEHIND THE SIDEWALK OR BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND STREET PAVEMENT.
UM, NOT ALONG TURF GRASS THERE.
AND, UM, ALL HOA LANDSCAPE, LOTS ARE LIMITED TO 50% ARE FOR GRASS.
SO IF YOU DO CONSIDER IT, WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOSE AS WELL.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT HERE, SO THIS CURRENTLY DOES NOT THE BIG OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE JUST GOT DONE DOING.
UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY, UH, PRETTY IMPORTANT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND CRYSTAL FALLS RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHAT'S COMING OFF OF.
AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS THE EXACT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
AND I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU THOUGH.
WHY, SINCE YOU GUYS BROUGHT IT UP, PRE-SOLD TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.
PRE-SOLD IN THIS AND THE SITUATION ON THIS PROJECT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I BELIEVE THAT, UH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY BE ANSWERING THIS QUESTION.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, BECAUSE I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY TOLD ME, AND THEN DAVID CAN TELL ME, HE CAN TELL YOU IF, UH, IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, HENRY LOU ACTUALLY HAS SPOKEN FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE HOMES.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S, I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S SPOKEN FOR ALL 120 OF THEM, BUT HE'S BASICALLY SAID, HEY, I'LL TAKE THEM BECAUSE I WANT MY EMPLOYEES TO BE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FOUND A RENTAL COMMUNITY TO, SO I KNOW IT WILL BE IN THE OWNERSHIP COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE EXACT SITUATION THAT WE JUST SAID.
WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO ANY MORE IN THE CITY IS THE EXACT SITUATION WHERE WE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY LIKE THIS.
UM, I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR FOR A CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE ZONING AT THIS POINT, UM, WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND I, I, I, I, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. SO I GUESS IF THIS WAS, IF THIS HAD YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE BUFFET, RIGHT? IF YOU WERE PUTTING THE TOWN AT THE TOWNHOMES OR WHATEVER, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING WAS TO ACTUALLY BUFFER JUST THE STUFF THAT'S BEHIND IT, WHICH WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO HERE TOO, BUT YOU'RE TAKING UP THE MAJOR FRONTAGE OF ALMOST THE WHOLE PROPERTY, UM, AND CHANGING THAT TO RESIDENTIAL FROM COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE GOALS THAT WE, THAT YOU JUST, UM, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING GOALS AND WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THE FIRST THREE OF THEM WERE, UM, WERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL GROWTH, AND, AND, AND, UH, JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE IN TOWN.
AND SO THIS WAS THAT THAT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY'RE, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE.
AND SO I JUST DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW, HOW THAT WORKS THERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE'D DONE FOR A LONG TIME.
WE HAVE, UH, AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS COMING.
I THINK THE NUMBER WAS SOMETHING LIKE 14,000, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY PRINTED, THAT ARE ALREADY, UM, APPROVED.
AND WE HAVE A LOT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THAT GROWTH.
SO THE MOST RESPONSIBLE THING FOR US TO DO IS ACTUALLY STICK TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT BREAK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, FOR, FOR, UH, FOR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.
CAUSE IT'S GOING TO SET A TREND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP ON DOING TOO.
SO IN FROM THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, MY OPINION IS WE NEED TO STICK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IS THAT SIMPLE? MAY I MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT, SIR? UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS I HAD PREVIOUSLY STATED, JUST IN TERMS OF THIS BLOCK, WE'RE WAY, WAY OVER 40% COMMERCIAL IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S ALREADY OVER 50%.
AND AFTER YOUR VOTES IN THE NEXT TWO CASES, I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
OH, OUR, OUR PROJECT AS A, A STANDALONE DOES NOT MEET 40% RETAIL, BUT THE DEMAND IS NOT THERE FOR 40% RETAIL ON THIS TYPE OF RETAIL, SMALL TENANT RETAIL.
IT'S NOT, AND THIS IS A LONG-TERM PLAN.
THIS ISN'T JUST A RIGHT NOW THING.
LET ME DO, WAS THAT A MOTION? I MEAN, YOU DON'T EVERYBODY ELSE A CHANCE TO TALK TO, YOU KNOW, SO I'M GOING
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TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY, BOTH, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.AND I HEARD PLEASE ONE SECOND.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL OPPOSED PASSES OR A DENIAL PASSES SIX TO ONE WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 20.
DO WE, DO WE STILL READ IT? OKAY.
WELL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 0 1 3 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL, IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 1 3.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[24. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-028 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban) and Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to GC-3-A (General Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 5.352 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031250; and more commonly known as 10935 E. Crystal Falls Parkway, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-028 as described above.]
ITEM 24, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 0 2 8 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN AND INTERIM SFR, ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL, UH, TO GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 5.352 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONING REQUEST TO CHANGE FROM INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY TO A GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY WITH, UH, AN EXISTING USE.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED BELL DRILLING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S CONSIDERED GRANDFATHERED AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO A
THEY COULD ADD, UM, RETAIL, USE A COMMERCIAL USE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT BRINGS THEIR CURRENT USE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THE OCTOBER 14TH, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE MEETING AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
THE APPLICANT IS JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS, NOT A PRESENTATION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
NOBODY HAS SUBMITTED CARDS FOR THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 0 2 8 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[25. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-029 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban) and Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to GC-3-A (General Commercial) and GC-5-A (General Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 2.92 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R051556; and more commonly known as 10948 E. Crystal Falls Parkway, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-029 as described above.]
ITEM 25 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 2 9.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN AND INTERIM AS A FAR ONE, BE SINGLE-FAMILY RURAL TO GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND GC FIVE
UM, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY, SUBURBAN AND SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO
THIS IS, UM, A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL.
UM, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED PROPERTY AND IN ORDER TO ADD MORE BUILDINGS AND TO EXPAND THEIR USE, THEY NEED A ZONING CHANGE.
THEY ARE REQUESTING THE TYPE FIVE SITE COMPONENT ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN TYPE THREE CLOSER TO THE STREET.
THIS MEANS THAT THEY COULD HAVE UNLIMITED STORAGE, UM, ON THE TYPE FIVE PIECE.
AND THEN IN THE TYPE THREE, YOU CAN'T.
SO IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE IT TRANSITIONED THAT WAY FOR AESTHETICS.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, OCTOBER 14TH AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR QUESTIONS, CORRECT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ROLLING ALONG THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 2 9 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY
[26. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-003 and Subdivision Case 21-CP-003 to adopt the Kauffman Loop Townhouse Concept Plan and to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to create the Kauffman Loop Townhouses PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the SFT-2-A (Single-Family Townhouse) base zoning district on one (1) parcel of land approximately 13.8 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R430223; and generally located to the northwest of the intersection Kauffman Loop and CR 267, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action on the First Reading of an Ordinance regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-003 as described above. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-003 as described above.]
ITEM 26 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 0 3 AND SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 0 3 TO ADOPT THE KAUFMAN LOOP TOWNHOUSE CONCEPT PLAN AND TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR, ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO CREATE THE KAUFMAN LOOP TOWNHOUSES PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SFT TO A SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE BASED ON DISTRICT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 13.8 ACRES IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN, YOU'RE GETTING IN YOUR STEPS.[01:20:01]
THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF KAUFFMAN LOOP.THEY ARE REQUESTING A PLANT DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE KAUFFMAN LOOP TOWNHOUSES.
UM, THIS, THIS REQUEST ALSO INCLUDES THEIR CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THE TOWNHOUSE BASED DISTRICT IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR TOWNHOMES.
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE ATTACHED STRUCTURES.
THE PUB WOULD ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES ON ONE LOT.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, DURING THEIR MEETING IN AUGUST WAS AUGUST 12TH.
UM, THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 2ND, BUT THEY DID REQUEST TO POSTPONE THE REQUEST.
SO NOW IT'S, BEFORE YOU TODAY, UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE REQUEST.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN AN ACTIVITY CENTER.
THEY DID START, UM, THEIR REQUEST BEFORE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED.
SO IT WAS UNDER OUR PREVIOUS PLAN.
UM, THE CONCERNS THAT THE, THE COMMISSION HAD INCLUDED, UH, HAVING RESIDENTIAL DISLOCATION CAUSE COFFIN LOOP WILL ULTIMATELY EXTENDED TO CONNECT TO 29.
AND THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS MORE OF AN AREA THAT COULD BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
UM, SO THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT WOULD IMPACT OTHER USES GOING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
MY NAME IS BRAD WALTERS AND I'M WITH LONESTAR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, THIS, UH, PROJECT WE STARTED, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, TRYING TO, UH, SORT OF LOOK AT THIS LAND PARCEL AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE USE.
WE, UH, YOU KNOW, MET WITH STAFF, UM, CONSENSUS IS SORT OF REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANYTHING THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT.
AND SO, UH, IT'S AT THE TIME IT SEEMED LIKE A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT OF, YOU KNOW, HIGHER DENSITY, BUT NOT AS DENSE AS MULTIFAMILY WOULD REALLY SORT OF MEET THAT MISSING IN THE MIDDLE KIND OF, UM, HOUSING TYPE.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED HERE ARE OUR SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS THAT ARE FAIRLY NARROW.
UH, THE GARAGES ARE IN THE BACK AND SO YOU'D HAVE A NICE WALKABLE SIDEWALK IN THE FRONT AND, UH, STREET TREES.
AND SO WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT MADE SENSE.
IT'S A PRETTY RURAL AREA RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU KIND OF GO BACK, NOT, NOT A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DRIVE BY TRAFFIC.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A SMALL PARCEL, 13.8 ACRES.
AND SO RELATIVELY SMALL, WE REALLY DON'T THINK THAT COMMERCIAL WOULD, WOULD WORK RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND JUST LOOKING TO, UM, TO DEVELOP IT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, WHICH WOULD THEN SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL THAT SOME PROBABLY TO COME.
AND SO A PROJECT WE'VE DONE SORT OF WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS IN LEANDER IS KIND OF WHERE THE STAR IS, AND THAT IS THE TRAIL SIDE OAKS TOWNHOMES.
AND IT'S A SIMILAR PROJECT AND IT'S SORT OF HIGHER DENSITY, BUT NOT AS DENSE AS APARTMENTS, BUT MORE DENSE THAN JUST A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS AN ACTIVITY ZONE, BUT IT HAS SOME THINGS IN COMMON WITH THIS IS DOWN BY HERO WAY.
AND OF COURSE, A 180 3 AND WHERE THE HPV IS NOW.
AND I FOUND IT INTERESTING TO SEE THE MIX OF USES THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE A CHECKERBOARD AROUND WITH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S NEW THAT, THAT, NO, UM, OH, HERE WE GO.
SO THAT
THIS IS A PLANNED MULTI-FAMILY, THIS IS THE EXAMPLE.
WE, UM, THE TRAIL SIDE OAKS TOWNHOMES WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MEDICAL OFFICE GOING HERE, OF COURSE, COMMERCIAL THEY'RE COMMERCIAL AT THE HEB, BUT THEN RESIDENTIAL.
SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW AN AREA CAN DEVELOP AND HAVE A, UM, A MIX OF USES THAT THAT REALLY OFFER CONVENIENCE FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS.
OF COURSE, IT'S ALL JUST A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF THE NORTH LINE PLANS WITH THE PARK AND RIDE STATION.
AND SO THIS IS THE SITE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT.
UH, YOU CAN SEE OF COURSE THAT THE HEB CENTER ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF 29 AND, AND RONALD REAGAN IS STARTING.
AND THEN I THINK A PROJECT YOU ALL APPROVED RECENTLY IS ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER.
AND SO WE WOULD JUST BE KIND OF BACK IN THE BACK WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TRANSITION ALSO KIND OF BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE, TO THE WEST, THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, AND SO AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE BELIEVE IT COMPLIES WITH THE PUD.
THAT WAS MY I'M SORRY, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AT LEAST AT
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THE TIME, UH, WE'VE SET IN SOME HIGHER STANDARDS, UH, WITH THE ONLY WAIVER BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY BY HAVING THE HOMES CLOSER TOGETHER, WHICH AGAIN, WE THOUGHT WAS CONSISTENT WITH SORT OF THE GOALS OF, UH, THE ACTIVITY CENTER.UM, SO, UH, SORT OF WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS BOTH DESIRABLE AND MEETS KIND OF THE NEEDS, UH, IS IMPORTANT TO US.
A IT'LL JUST BE A SORT OF TIMELESS ARCHITECTURE THAT WE THINK WILL REALLY FIT IN.
THERE'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT, WHAT THE STREET FRONTAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE BACK.
UM, THEY IMPORTANTLY, ON, AS FAR AS WATER USE, WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE THE HOA MAINTAIN ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL OF THE IRRIGATION.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE OVER-WATERING AND WATER RUNNING DOWN THE CURVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'D BE FULLY PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED AND MOSTLY DRIP IRRIGATION.
AND JUST AS A QUICK EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE IMPORTANTLY, ALSO THE PARKING IN THE BACK, WE WILL HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THEN TWO GUESTS SPACES PER HOME.
SO NOW THERE'S FOUR SPACES PER HOME ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE WILL ALSO BE THE PARALLEL PARKING IN THE FRONT IS, UH, IS KIND OF THE PLAN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST SORT OF SUMMARIZES AND MARK BAKER HAS BEEN, UH, WITH SCC PLANNING HAS BEEN HELPING, UM, TREMENDOUSLY WITH SORT OF ALL THE PLANNING AND DOING THIS AND MAY HAVE A FEW THINGS TO ADD, OR WE'RE BOTH AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN HELP WITH.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK OR NO? OKAY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 0 3 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL, DID YOU WANT A CLARIFICATION? OKAY.
UM, SO I REALLY ENJOYED MEETING YOU, AND I THINK THAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP A GREAT PROJECT HERE AND MY ATTITUDE AND MY TONE IS NOT THE SAME AS IT EVEN.
UM, IN MY, IN MY OPINION, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WILL DO VERY WELL.
MY, MY QUESTION IS MORE SO TO COUNSEL ON THIS ONE TOO.
UM, AND THAT'S THAT, UM, IN, IN APPROVING WHAT WE APPROVED BEFORE, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THEIR PRESENTATION ABOUT ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS SOME MULTIFAMILY AND SOME COMMERCIAL STUFF WITHIN A GIVEN AREA OF, UM, OF OUR COMPANIES IS THE PLAN.
IT SAYS THAT WE WANT 30% OR LESS OR 70% OR MORE TO BE COMMERCIAL 30% OR LESS TO BE, TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO IF MY CALCULATIONS WITH STAFF ARE KIND OF CLOSE, UM, THEN I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THEN AT SAYING, THERE'S NO MORE RESIDENTIAL FOR US AND I'M GETTING HEAD NUTS.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS IF WE WANT TO STICK TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
SO IF SOMEBODY COMES AROUND WITH A PROJECT THAT HAS MAJOR COMMERCIAL, OR THAT THEY SAY, WE NEED THIS TO COME INTO TO, TO COME TO YOUR CITY, AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS, WE DO GIVE UP THAT OPPORTUNITY UNLESS WE WANT TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION AND BREAK OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO DO.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN HERE.
IF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF SOMETHING CAN, SOME THERE'S OTHER COMMERCIAL STUFF COMING ON CLOSE, UM, AND WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S LIKE A LANDOWNER THAT'S CLOSE BY YOU OR NOT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS THAT, UM, WE LOSE ALL LEVERAGE WITH RESIDENTIAL, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I THINK, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PART? OKAY, THAT'S MINE, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I SAID, I WOULDN'T SPEAK, CAN I SPEAK, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL THAT EVEN MARK BAKER WITH SEC PLANNING? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH THIS TRACT IS JUST THE ADJACENCY TO THE EXISTING, LARGER LOTS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.
AND SO I KIND OF ENVISIONED THIS OUTER LOOP OR THE OUTSIDE OF THE KAUFMAN LOOP, BEING MORE OF A TRANSITION TO THOSE LARGER LOTS.
CAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF I LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF I'D WANT COMMERCIAL INTENSITY BACKING UP.
THAT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT GIVES A TRANSITION STEPPING TO THAT MORE TRADITIONAL, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO LOOK AT, CAUSE I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THE SAME, SAME DISCUSSIONS YOU GUYS ARE HAVING ABOUT COMMERCIAL.
AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A MAJOR NODE RIGHT AT 29 AND REAGAN IS HUGE.
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THAT FOR COMMERCIAL, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IN THE LEAST.SO I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE FOUR CORNERS AND JUST SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPARISON FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.
AND SO I LOOKED AT WHAT WE HAVE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF THIS TRACT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TRACKS IN YELLOW, THERE'S ABOUT 850 FEET OF DEPTH FROM OUR TRACK TO 29.
AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THAT'S POWER CENTER DEPTH AND THAT SINGLE TRACK TO OUR NORTH IS ABOUT 52 ACRES.
AND FOR A COMPARISON, IF YOU'RE, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR, THE WOLF RANCH SHOPPING CENTER, THAT'S ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 29 AND 35 IS AROUND 84 ACRES AND THE HEB SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S GOING IN NOW, THAT'S THE WAR ZONE OVER THERE.
AND SO JUST FOR A SENSE OF SCALE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
AND SO INSIDE THE KAUFMAN LOOP ADJACENT TO US.
SO IF YOU GO ACROSS KAUFFMAN LOOP, UM, THAT SOUTH, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER, THERE'S ABOUT 77 ACRES OF LAND WITHIN THAT CORNER ITSELF.
AND THEN ALSO WORKING ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS INTERSECTION FOR DIFFERENT CLIENTS, ABOUT 125 ACRES ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 29 AND REAGAN, UH, THAT IS ALSO PLANNED FOR MORE COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THE UNDEVELOPED LAND AND ADMITTEDLY, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S IF ANYBODY HAS PLANS FOR THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OR NOT, BUT THAT'S AROUND 143 ACRES.
SO YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL THERE.
AND I LOOK AT THINGS FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDPOINT.
SO I LOOK AT RAW ACRES THAT CAN BE CONVERTED TO COMMERCIAL.
AND A RULE OF THUMB IS A POINT FAR ON SINGLE SURFACE PARKED COMMERCIAL FAR FLOOR AREA RATIO.
SO THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING THAT YOU CAN GET.
UM, SO YOU CAN GET A POINT TOO FAR ON THIS LAND.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU APPLIED THAT NUMBER TO THE 77 ACRES INSIDE THE LOOP ON JUST THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT EQUATES TO OVER 600,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW I KNOW THERE IS A MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT THERE THAT I BELIEVE WAS APPROVED FAIRLY RECENTLY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ACRES THAT WAS.
THERE WAS LIKE A WRAP OR SOMETHING WASN'T THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD, GOOD STUFF TO SAY THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A RECENT PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED INSIDE THE LOOP.
THAT WAS SO, SO ON THE CORNER.
SO MY POINT IS JUST IF THAT WHOLE 77 ACRES WITHIN THAT LOOP WAS ALL COMMERCIAL.
YOU'RE TALKING OVER 600,000 SQUARE FEET AND THE HEB CENTER, YOU KNOW, YOUR 400 PLUS THOUSAND FEET.
AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY STILL A MILLION AND A HALF, 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET AT THIS INTERSECTION, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND SO, UH, I JUST SAY THAT JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CALMS YOUR FEARS ANY AT ALL, BUT I KNOW I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP COMMERCIAL AT THIS CORNER.
UH, JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE POINT HOW REMOVED THIS IS FROM 29 AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON ON DIRECT HARD CORNERS THAT ARE MUCH MORE VISIBLE.
THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO GET THE MOST TRACTION.
UH, AND THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST MARKETABLE TO FUTURE RETAILERS ARE THOSE VISIBLE CORNERS CLOSER TO THOSE ROADWAYS.
AND THAT'S, UH, AS YOU GET A THOUSAND FEET OFF OF MAJOR ROADWAY, IT GETS A LOT HARDER TO FILL THOSE COMMERCIAL SPOTS.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THANK YOU.
AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT 800 SOMETHING FEET JUST NORTH OF YOU, THAT'S GOING TO BUILD THROUGH, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF KAUFFMAN LOOP AND THAT'S GOING TO CREATE THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU NEED FOR COMMERCIAL COMING THROUGH THERE.
I THINK THE MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL TRANSACTION IS ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
AND NOT THIS ONE THAT FRONTAGE IS THE KAUFMAN LOOP.
HONESTLY, LIKE I THINK THAT IT IS A GOOD COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ONCE THAT ROAD GETS PUT THROUGH.
AND THERE'S ALREADY DEVELOPERS LOOKING AT THAT LAND BECAUSE OF THE 29 FRONTAGE THAT ROAD'S GOING TO GET BUILT.
THIS, THIS HATCH TRACT RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WOULD ENVISION IS BEING RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN YOUR COMMERCIAL TRACK BECOMES ALL OF THE, WELL, I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, THAT HATCHED ON IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT TRANSITION.
IF WE APPROVE THIS ONE, AS IT IS.
AND AS YOU'RE SAYING THE TRANSITION, THEN, UM, THEN THAT NEXT ONE JUST AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES HOUSING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT COMMERCIAL THERE,
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YOU CAN'T PUT HOUSING AND THEN COMMERCIAL AND THEN HOUSING AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TRANSITION AND THEN IT BREAKS AND THEN WE GO BACK TO IT.DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT THAT I THINK THAT ENTIRE OUTSIDE OF THAT LOOP IS A TRANSITIONAL POINT TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY CARS.
WE'RE THAT YELLOW RECTANGLES 13.8 ACRES.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING HUGE MASSES OF LAND, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S A NICE LITTLE POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD FEED INTO THE COMMERCIAL INSIDE THE LOOP.
ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD JUST WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE ALL THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.
I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED VERY HARD AT THIS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
THE LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR OUTREACH AS WELL.
MAKE A MOTION TO DENY SECOND FOR THE ZONING CASE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO TABLE AND AT ALL AMEND OUR PUD RATHER THAN STARTING THE PROCESS OVER, ALONG THE LINES OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL THAT MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING WE WEREN'T.
YOU DON'T WANT TO COME BACK WITH HIGHER DENSITY.
I THINK THAT LIKE, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE LIKE COMING BACK LATER, IF, IF, WHETHER YOU HAD THAT OTHER TRACK OR WHETHER YOU WERE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ANOTHER TRACK AND THERE WAS A WAY TO LAND COMMERCIAL IN AN AREA LIKE THAT, AND SOMEHOW THOSE PROJECTS WERE TOGETHER OR WHAT I, MY, MY, THE ONLY THING ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS MIGHT MAKE PERFECT SENSE IN SEVEN OR 10 YEARS.
I THINK I MIGHT'VE EVEN SAID THAT WHEN WE MET, WHEN WE MET BRIEFLY.
UM, BUT, UH, I'VE SAID ENOUGH, I THINK ON THIS ONE TOO, THAT, YEAH, I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND USE DECISIONS AND YOU HAVE A LOT MORE PRESSURES WE'VE BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, MADE AN EFFORT TO WHEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR.
AND SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE PURCHASED THE PARCEL KIND OF BASED ON THIS PLAN.
AND SO NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST, UM, JUST HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO SORT OF BE BACK WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH AN AMENDED REVISED PUD RE YOU KNOW, AF AFTER A TABLE DECISION, RATHER THAN SORT OF STARTING THE WHOLE PROCESS AND BEING BACK IN 2022.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THE RESIDENTIAL AND BRING UP THE COMMERCIAL.
AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO IF WE WERE TO TABLE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO A DATE, CERTAIN, I BELIEVE.
UM, ARE THEY ABLE TO WITHDRAW AT THIS POINT? OKAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WITHDRAWING REALLY ACCOMPLISH, SO IF, IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE REQUEST TO SOMETHING WITH MORE COMMERCIAL, IT'S A NEW REQUESTS THAT GOES BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, IF THEY, IF YOU DENY IT, THEY HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS ASK FOR THE SAME THING AGAIN, IF YOU WITHDRAW IT, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK WITH THE SAME REQUEST AGAIN.
OH, SO IT'S THE SAME REQUEST WITHOUT CHANGES OR RIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY RISK THEN IF, IF YOU DENY IT, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS ONLY IF THEY WEREN'T MAKING CHANGES.
BUT IF YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES, THEY COULD COME BACK SOONER.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? YEAH, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE SAME.
WAS THERE A SECOND ON THAT DENIAL? OKAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST THAT I THINK WE NEED TO SKIP TOO.
I MEAN, STICK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR GUIDANCE.
EMOTION AND A SECOND ON DENYING THE ZONING CASE.
I'LL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CPA 0, 0 3 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THERE TO, TO DENY THE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[27. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-008 to adopt the Hampton Park Concept Plan on one (1) parcel of land approximately 17.302 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032337; generally located on the north side of CR 264, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-008 as described above. ]
ITEM 27, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0, 0 8 TO ADOPT THE HAMPTON PARK CONCEPT PLAN ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 17.302 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL.
UM, THIS OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE RECHARGE ZONE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO COMING BACK WITH THE CHANGE TO THE WHOLE
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CENTER.UM, THIS REQUEST DOES INCLUDE 17 SINGLE FAMILY THOUGHTS.
UH, IT'S DONE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, SO THOSE WILL BE ACREAGE SLOTS.
UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWED THE REQUEST, UH, DURING THE OCTOBER 28TH MEETING AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO ACTION ON SUBDIVISION CASE 21.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[28. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-009 to adopt the Leander Estates Concept Plan on three (3) parcels of land approximately 210.6 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R560185 and R560184; and Travis Central Appraisal District Parcel 905245; generally located at the northwest corner of CR 280 and the future extension of Lakeline Boulevard, Leander, Williamson and Travis Counties, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-009 as described above. ]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 0 9 TO ADOPT THE A STATE'S CONCEPT PLAN ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 210.6 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.SO THIS IS, UM, A PELVIC HEARING FOR THE LANDER ESTATES CONCEPT PLAN.
IT'S LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF LAKELINE AND
UM, THIS REQUEST DOES INCLUDE 158 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS.
UM, THESE LOTS ARE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, SO THEY'RE ALL ACREAGE SLOTS.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.
WE HAD AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAD TWO CONCEPT PLANS IN THE SAME AREA COMING FORWARD TOGETHER.
THE OTHER CONCEPT PLAN HAD AN AMENDMENT TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
SO THE MASTER PLAN INCLUDES A, UH, EXTENSION OF TWO 80 DOWN HERE, AND TWO 80 EXISTS UP HERE.
UM, SO THEY'RE DEBATING ABOUT WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO.
THAT'LL COME TO AT A LATER MEETING.
STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT A NOTE IS ADDED TO THIS CONCEPT PLAN STATING THAT IF THAT AMENDMENT OCCURS TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THIS DEVELOPER WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PARTICIPATING IMPROVEMENTS TO TWO 80, CAUSE IT WOULD BE THE COLLECTOR ROADWAY LOCATION.
WE DID HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS SHOW UP TO DISCUSS THE REQUEST.
UM, A LOT OF THEM WERE RELIEVED BECAUSE THEY WERE AROUND FOR THE CHAPMAN PARKS REQUESTS THAT INCLUDED A LOT OF FUN THINGS ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH TWO 80 STORE MANAGEMENT ISSUES AS WELL AS HERITAGE TREES.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THERE'S NO APPLICANT PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MARY RICHARDSON, 2,500 COUNCIL SPRINGS PASS LEANDER.
UM, I'M IN THE GREAT WOOD DIVISION.
I FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL BECAUSE IN THE PAST YOU HEARD US THAT IT WASN'T A GREAT PLACE TO PUT HIGH DENSITY.
AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE, UM, ONE ACRE, LOTS.
I THINK THE CONCERN WAS MENTIONED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE.
WE ALSO HAVE WATER ISSUES STILL THERE, SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR US.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS ONE THING TO, I HAVE HEARD THAT THERE WAS POSSIBILITY OF TWO 80 BEING MOVED A LITTLE BIT, SO IT WOULD COME OUT WITH COLLABORATIVE WAY AND THERE COULD BE A LIGHT BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME A CHALLENGE JUST TO GET OUT OF OUR OFF OF TWO 80 ONTO 2 79.
PLEASE FILL A SPEAKER CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY.
WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON WHO SUBMITTED THEIR POSITION IN ADVANCE.
UM, LISA SIMMONS AND SHE IS FOR THIS ITEM.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL KNOW WHAT WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 0 9 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY WITH WHAT RECOMMENDATION? YES.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND A SECOND, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO USE SEPTIC.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[29. Discuss and consider action on the Second Reading of an Ordinance regarding Special Use Case 21-TOD-SU-003 on an amendment to the Wildfire Park Special Use Permit to allow for a Farmer’s Market and Open Air Vendors on one (1) parcel of land approximately 0.53 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036038; legally described as Lots 7-12, Block 7 of the Original Town of Leander Subdivision and addressed as 209 Broade Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING SPECIAL USE CASE 21 T O D S U 0 0 3 ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE WILDFIRE PARKS SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A FARMER'S MARKET AND OPEN AIR VENDORS ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 0.5, THREE ACRES PLUS OR MINUS[01:45:01]
IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.SO THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THE REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE WILDFIRE PART PROJECT.
UM, THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING.
IT'S ON THE REGULAR AGENDA BECAUSE THE VOTE WAS NOT UNANIMOUS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK COUNSEL THE SAWYER'S MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND MOTION A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED PASSES FIVE TO, TO, UH, AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
IT'S 7 56, PLEASE BE BACK AT 8 0 6.
WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 8:08 PM.
[30. Discuss and consider action on the presentation of Bryson Farmstead Preservation Plan prepared by Fisher-Heck regarding two (2) parcels of land approxiamtely 6 acres ± in size; more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R032212 and R500771; generally located to the northeast of the intersection of E. San Gabriel Parkway and 183A Toll Road; addressed at 10200 183A Toll Road; Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE PRESENT PRESENTATION OF BRYSON FARMSTEAD PRESERVATION PLAN PREPARED BY FISHER HEC REGARDING TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE.MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS ARE 0 3 2 2 1 2 AND ARE 5 0 0 7 7 1 GENERALLY LOCATED TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY.
AND 180 3, A TOLL ROAD ADDRESSED AT 1 0 2 0 0 180 3, A TOLL ROAD, LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS CIP, PROJECT MANAGER, BETTIS.
SO VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
I AM THE CIP PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.
WE'RE EAGER TO REALLY SHOW YOU THIS.
THIS IS, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE HISTORIC BRETT BRYSON FARMSTEAD.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SAY IS THIS IS, UM, THE BRYSON FAMILY IS ONE OF THE IMPORTANT FA FAMILIES WITH REGARDS TO THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AND TELL THE STORY TO BOTH OUR CURRENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
UM, IN 1870, THE BRYSON FAMILY HAD PURCHASED THE LAND FROM, OR SHOULD SAY JOE AND NANCY BRYSON PURCHASED LAND FROM JOE'S FATHER.
UH, THEY ORIGINALLY BUILT, UH, FIRST A, UM, A CISTERN AND A CORN CRIB.
AND LATER THEY BUILT THIS HOUSE IN 1872, ALONG WITH A BARN SURROUNDING THE CORN GRIP.
AS WE CAN SEE WITH REGARDS TO THE HOUSE AND THE LAND IN 1970, THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNATED A, UH, RECORDED STATE HISTORIC PROPERTY FOR WHATEVER REASON THE HOUSE WAS LOST, I GUESS, FORGOTTEN ABOUT.
AND WHEN THE CTR MA AND THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION CHOSE TO BUILD THE 180 3 TURNPIKE, THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN FOUND, IT SAID, WHOA, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO PROTECT.
AND SO THEY SET BACK WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, WHO WAS THE SHIP OUT AT THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND THE TXDOT AND THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY HISTORIC ADMINISTRATION COMMISSION.
THEY SAID, WE NEED TO PROTECT US.
SO THEY DEVELOPED A NEW MOA AND WHERE THE CITY OF LEANDER, THEY DEVELOPED A, A PLAN, SHALL WE SAY TO PRESERVE THIS HOUSE AND HOW TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE CALL ADAPTIVE USE FOR GENERAL, UH, REUSE OF THE PROPERTY TO FURTHER EXPAND ON ITS HISTORIC CHARM AND CHARACTER.
SO WE, FIRST AND FOREMOST AS THE PART OF THE MOA IS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A PRESERVATION PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE TONIGHT IS THE PRESERVATION PLAN.
PRESERVATION PLAN BASICALLY TELLS US WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO REHABILITATE THIS PROPERTY, THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND SITE, AND HOW DO WE MAINTAIN PROTECT IT FOR YEARS TO COME ONCE WE HAVE THIS AND WE REVIEW IT AND WE ACTUALLY, UM, APPROVE IT AND MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO SEND IT FURTHER ON TO THE SHIPPO, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UH, SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU ON WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT AND WHAT WAS AGREED IN THE 2008 MOA WAS THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY SIX ACRES HERE WITH REGARDS TO THE ORIGINAL FOUR ACRES, WHICH HAS THE HOUSE, THE SISTER OF BARN AND A SHEEP BARN.
UH, OH, HOW LONG WITH, IF YOU CAN SEE THESE, THESE ARE HISTORICAL WAGON TRAILS UP THROUGH A PROPERTY HERE, ALONG WITH AN OLD QUARRY AND UPON OF INDETERMINATE AGE, IN THE AGREEMENT IN 2008, THERE WAS TWO ACRES, WHICH WAS THIS RIGHT HERE THAT WAS SITTING.
THERE WE GO, WHICH WAS SET ASIDE AND SAID THAT THIS MUST REMAIN AS IS, CANNOT BE MOVED, CAN NOT BE MANIPULATED, BUT THAT'S BE PROTECTED AND REHABILITATED AS THE OTHER AGREEMENT.
THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FOUR ACRES
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BACK HERE, WHICH IS RATHER A MORPHOUS, WHICH PER THE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THIS FOUR ACRES CAN ADJUST AROUND THIS CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY, OR IT CAN REMAIN AS IS DEPENDING UPON HOW THE CITY CHOSE USES TO KEEP IT AND DETERMINE ITS BEST USE.HECK A VERY WELL-RENOWNED, UM, CONSULTANT WHO'S DOES A LOT OF THE REHABILITATION AND REUSE OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE ALAMO IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, AND THEY'VE DONE THE, UM, PRESERVATION PLAN, WHICH THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO US, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR REVIEW.
AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE LEGEND, THEY IDENTIFIED THE 1870 CORN CREDIBLE, WHICH WAS THE CENTER PART OF THIS BARN HERE IN THE MIDDLE NUMBER ONE AND THE HOUSE, THE CISTERN AND THE SHEEP BARN, ALONG WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AS THE HISTORIC SITE, THERE IS A GARAGE HERE, WHICH IS A DEARMOND B A CIRCA 1970 GARAGE, AND THEREBY NOT REALLY CONSIDERED HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
WHAT FISHER HECK WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THEY'D LIKE TO PRESENT AND REHABILITATE THIS FARMSTEAD BACK TO WHAT THEY CONSIDER THE, UM, SIGNIFICANT PERIOD FOR WHICH WOULD BE 1870 TO 1939.
SO WE WOULD GO THROUGH UPON APPROVAL, OF COURSE, AND REHABILITATE AND REFURBISH, THIS SITE, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, BACK TO A, AN INTERPRETIVE VIEWPOINT OF WHAT IT WAS DETERMINED, WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS POSSIBLY LOOKED LIKE IN THAT PERIOD.
UH, WE FISHER HECK HAS HIRED SOME REALLY GOOD SUB-CONSULTANTS ALONG WITH, UH, COX MCLEAN, A WELL-RENOWNED ART ARCHEOLOGICAL AND, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO HELP GUIDE THEM AS TO HOW BEST TO DO THIS.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT THE RYAN'S ORIGINAL 264 ACRES IS NOW SURROUNDING OUR HISTORIC SITE.
AND AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL THAT THIS SITE CAN BE OVERWHELMED WITH DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ALREADY APARTMENTS HERE.
WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF FAMILY HOMES HERE.
THE POTENTIAL FOR RETAIL IN THIS AREA, AS WELL AS NORTH LAWN ACROSS THE WAY THE HOSPITAL AND THE POINT THAT BOTH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, ALONG WITH THE CTR MRA AND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION SAID, DO FIND A WAY TO FIND A REUSE OR AN ADAPTIVE USE OF THIS HISTORICAL SITE, WHERE WE REHABILITATE IT, USE IT, BUT CONTINUE TO USE IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT PROMOTES BOTH THE, AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE HISTORIC, BUT ALSO PROMOTES FOR THE CONTINUED MAINTENANCE AND CARE OF THIS FACILITY AND THIS SITE.
AND WE LOOK AT THIS THE WAY IT IS SET UP RIGHT NOW WITH THE ORIGINAL OR AS AGREED TO SIX ACRES, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE HISTORIC FARMSTEADY, THERE'S THE BARNS.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS AREA BACK HERE.
AND IF YOU CAN GO TO THE SITE, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT STANDING ALONG THAT HOUSE AND LOOKING NORTH EASTERN ALL THERE, YOU'VE GOT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS RIGHT THERE.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, OR MIGHT'VE LOOKED LIKE IN A FARM SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT FISHER HECK WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY TO HIM.
OUR CHILDREN TO WHOMEVER GOES OUT THERE, OUR GUESTS, ANYONE WE SO CHOOSE TO TEACH THE STORY AND THE INTERPRETIVE STORY TO THIS INVOLVES GOING BACK INTO THE ORIGINAL TWO ROOM HOUSE AS IT HAD BEEN IN THE EARLY PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY, LATE PART OF THE 19TH CENTURY, THE EXISTING BACK PART OF THE HOUSE, AS YOU CAN SEE BACK HERE IS NOT ORIGINAL.
THIS WOULD BE REMOVED ALONG WITH THE COVERED PATIO, UM, AND OTHER LITTLE ITEMS THAT ARE BACK HERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO FIND OTHER HISTORICAL ITEMS THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN COVERED UP AT THAT TIME.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES THE REHABILITATION AND REFURBISHMENT OF THE BARN, WHICH DOES INCLUDE THE 1870 CORN CRIB AND THE 1890 BARN EDITION AND THE SHEET BARN AS WELL.
WITH REGARDS TO THIS, THERE ARE A GENERAL PHILOSOPHY AND GUIDELINES.
WE MUST FOLLOW BASED UPON, UH, FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE GOAL HERE FOR US AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IS WE HAVE THE PRESERVATION PLAN.
WE NEED Y'ALL TO HOPEFULLY HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO REVIEW.
UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO FURTHER STATE THAT CURRENTLY THE SIX ACRES, AS IT IS SAID IS THE CONFIGURATION WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT TELLS THE STORY BEST AND PROVIDES THE BEST INTERPRETATION OF THAT SITE.
SO WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THE APPROVAL OF
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RETAINING THE SIX ACRES AS IT IS ANY EXISTING CONFIGURATION WITH THIS MEETS AND BOUNDS.WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, WE WILL FURTHER MOVE FORWARD TO RECEIVE COMMENTS AND REVIEW FROM THC AND THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
WE ESTIMATE THAT'LL TAKE US BETWEEN 60 AND 90 DAYS.
IT'LL COME BACK TO OUR OWN LANDERS DORK PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW.
AND THEN UPON ALL FORMAL APPROVAL, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WOULD BE THE, UM, OF COURSE WE'LL REPRESENT THEM, OF COURSE, WHAT WE'VE HAD, BUT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE ADAPTER REPURPOSING PLAN FOR THE SITE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST USE FOR THIS SITE.
AND FOR THE YOU NOW IN THE FUTURE, I'D LIKE TO NOW OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.
SO MAYBE ROBIN, WHEN ON THIS WENT TO SHOCKER, SHE GOES, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT JOINING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THEY WANT TO PUT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S AN ACTIVITY CENTER RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS THAT CORNER NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE I KNEW THEY WERE THERE'S SO IT SHOULD BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
AND THAT HAS A LIMIT ON RESIDENTIAL.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PUT HOUSING ALL UP AROUND THAT HOUSE.
THERE'VE BEEN ON, I'M NOT BEEN ON THE NEW CONVERSATIONS, BUT I'VE MOVED IN A TON LAST YEAR ABOUT HOW THEY WANTED TO TAKE THAT, THAT SIX ACRES AND REARRANGE IT AND GIVE, UH, SO, UM, WE JUST, I MEAN, I I'M OKAY WITH THE SIX ACRES STAYING THE WAY IT IS.
IT'S JUST, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THAT.
I THINK THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY ALREADY WITH THE SIX ACRES STAYING THE WAY IT IS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CONVEYED SO THAT THERE, CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY, HEY, CAN I GET A MEETING? CAN I GET A MEETING? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO WHAT KIND OF CHALLENGE THAT'S GOING TO PRESENT? LEAVE IN THE ACREAGE THE WAY IT IS WHEN EVERYTHING BUILDS UP AROUND IT.
IS IT REALLY GOING TO LOOK AT THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU IMAGINE WITH REGARDS TO WHERE THE LANDS MEETS AND BOUNDS ON THE PROPERTY, THE SIX ACRES, OF COURSE, A DEVELOPER THROUGH APPROVAL THROUGH THE CITY, OF COURSE, HAS THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IT WILL SAY THAT THERE'S BACK BEHIND THAT EXISTING ROADS.
THEY BUILD A FOUR-STORY HOTEL.
THERE ARE WAYS TO SOFTEN THE EDGES OF THAT.
YOU, WHETHER WE PLANT TREES THERE OR WHERE YOU HAVE SETBACKS THROUGH PARKING LOTS AND MOVING THE BUILDING FURTHER BACK, UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT SCENE AND SADLY, WE REALLY CAN'T STOP THAT, BUT WE CAN SOFTEN IT THERE.
ISN'T THERE A GRADE CHANGE TO, TO THE, IS IT TO THE EAST WHERE IT DROPS OFF AS WELL, SIR.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT CORRIDOR IS.
AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOFTEN THE HEIGHT PIECE ALSO.
ANY CHANCE TO EXPLAIN IT? THE WAGON TRAILS? YEAH.
WELL, WE'RE HOPING THAT WITH REGARDS TO HOW IT IS IN THIS CONFIGURATION, WE CAN UTILIZE THE WAGON TRUSSES LET'S TRAILS, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN, THE IDEA TO WHOMEVER THE DEVELOPER OR WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO DO BACK HERE, THAT THEY INCORPORATE THE, THE TRAILS AS WELL.
AND WE WOULD HAVE A TRIAL SYSTEM HOPEFULLY TO THE PARK AND BACK TOWARDS JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE WAY, WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT OR NOT REALLY CAN'T FORCE, THEY'VE GOT A TIGHT BUDGET TOO.
WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID, ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOOKS, PROBABLY SOMETHING MOST OF US READ, IT'S CALLED THE LITTLE HOUSE AND IT'S LIKE THIS CUTE LITTLE COUNTRY HOUSE AND THE CITY JUST BUILDS UP ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
AND THIS REMINDS ME SO MUCH OF THAT.
SO IF WE COULD DO ANYTHING TO PRESERVE THOSE SIGHT LINES AND, AND KEEP THE HEIGHTS LOW AROUND IT, UM, JUST TO NOT HAVE THAT, THAT CROWDING FEELING WHEN YOU'RE THERE, THAT THAT CITY HAS ENCROACHED ALL AROUND YOU.
UH, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION USUALLY SUGGESTS I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY STRONG OR TELL ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING, BUT THEY SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU START AT THE EDGES, YOU STARTED SINGLE-STORY, YOU MOVED BACK, YOU WERE MAYBE TWO STORY YOU'D BE FOR BACK OF YOUR HEART.
SO THAT WAY YOU CHANGE YOUR SIGHT LINE AND IT SOFTENS THAT EDGE.
HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? WELL, WE NEED TO PASS LIKE AN ORDINANCE OR DESIGNATED SOMETHING.
SO THE, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS PART OF THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR.
SO THAT MEANS WHEN THEY COME IN FOR REQUEST, THEY HAVE TO DO A PUD.
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SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR THAT.THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO THIS RATE, THAT'S USING IT TO STORE THE HAY BILLS.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD STILL CONTINUE BECAUSE THAT'S ON HIS LAND OR WOULD THAT BE MOVED TO, AND YOU CAN MOVE THE HAY BELLS OFF TO HIS LAND BECAUSE ONCE WE SAY THIS IS THE SUB-SECTORS WE'RE TAKING, WE WANT TO KEEP IT THIS WAY.
HE WAS SUPPOSED TO MOVE BASED UPON THE SIX ACRES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, LET'S GO BACK HERE AND TAKE A LOOK.
IT'S VERY TRICKY AND I'LL TRY TO SHOW, HOPEFULLY IT DIDN'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO SHOW THE OTHER DAY, IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE HOUSE IS, THAT SIGHT LINE, THAT LINE RIGHT THERE WAS REAL TIGHT IN THERE.
AND A LOT OF HIS BAY, UH, BALES, HAY RIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LINE.
HE BRINGS HIM RIGHT UP TO HIS LINE, BUT, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING RIGHT UP TO THE LINE, BUT, UM, YES, HE DOES HAVE TO REMOVE ALL HIS, HE STILL HAS, UH, AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS OUT THERE, UH, WHICH HE HAS TO REMOVE, UM, AND ANYTHING THAT HAS ON THAT OTHER PROPERTY HE HAS TO REMOVE.
AND THAT'S IT? THAT IS PER THE, THE MOA.
AND ONCE WE SAY YOU'RE OFF THERE, YOU'RE OFF THERE.
SO, SO FROM US TONIGHT, YOU JUST NEED US TO ACCEPT THE PLAN AND THEN GIVE ANY GUIDANCE OR YES, WELL, EXCEPT THE PEN, BUT ALSO AGREE THAT THE SIX ACRES AS IT IS IN ITS CONFIGURATION AS OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WELL THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE PLAN, UH, AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SIX ACRES.
AND THE SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[31. Discuss and consider action on an interlocal agreement between the City of Leander and Williamson County regarding city/county participation in right-of-way acquisition costs related to the expansion of RM 2243 (Hero Way), with a total amount of Thirteen Million Nine Hundred Thousand dollars ($13,900,000.00) to be paid by the City; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]
DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LANDER AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY REGARDING CITY COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION COSTS RELATED TO THE EXPANSION OF RM 2243, HERE, WE'RE AWAY WITH A TOTAL AMOUNT OF 13 MILLION, $900,000 TO BE PAID BY THE CITY AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE GRIMSBY.MAYOR COUNCIL, DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TONIGHT IS ABOUT, UH, APPROVING A INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPANSION OF HERO WAY AND FOR THE CITY.
IT'S THE, UH, FIRST PART, WHICH IS THE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL THE, UM, I'M GONNA GET THEIR EXACT WORDING HERE, FRONTAGE ROAD.
UM, I THOUGHT I HAD CIRCLED RIGHT HERE.
SO ANYWAY, IT'S THE FIRST OF YOU, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE DRAWING, IT'S GOING TO BE FRONTAGE ROAD, THEN FRONTAGE ROAD, AND THEN THE CENTER PART OF THE OTHER FREEWAY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS PART IS THE BUYING THE RIGHT OF WAYS.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE, OR EASEMENTS FOR THE FIRST FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WILL BE BUILT AS PART OF THE EXPANSION.
AND OUR PART WILL BE 13.9 MILLION TO BUY THE RIGHT AWAY FOR THE THREE MILES THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
THEY INTERRUPT TOTAL PROJECT IS EIGHT MILES FROM 180 3 A TO, UM, SOUTH WEST BYPASS.
SO OUR FUNDING WILL BE RELATED TO WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
SO STANDING BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS, NO SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, BUT IT'S GOOD SEEING
[32. Discuss and consider action on a Resolution casting its votes for the Board of Directors of the Williamson Central Appraisal District.]
ITEM 32 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION CASTING, ITS VOTES FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS COULD EVENING NOW FOR AN EXCITING, YEAH, SO NO, NO, NO, NO SLIDES.UH, EVERY TWO WEEKS, EVERY TWO YEARS, UH, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICTS, UH, REELECT OR BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS THIS YEAR.
IT'S THE WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
THERE WERE FIVE DIRECTORS ON THE BOARD.
UM, THE SLATE IS BEFORE YOU LEANDER HAS 95 VOTES OUT OF A TOTAL ALLOTMENT OF 5,000.
UH, THE COUNCIL CAN, UM, SPREAD THOSE VOTES.
HOWEVER YOU WISH ONE CANDIDATE GET ALL 95 OR YOU CAN SPREAD IT OUT.
UM, UH, WE'LL POINT OUT THAT THE CANDIDATE YOU RECOMMENDED, UH, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING IS ON THE, ON THE BALLOT.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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THANK YOU, COUNSEL.ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS MONEY CAST ALL THE BOATS FOR, DOES ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT? I DUNNO.
UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT IT IN ALL AT ONE PLACE OR NOT, OR INCLUDING MORE THAN ONE.
SOMETIMES WE'VE SPLIT IT BETWEEN TWO.
SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT IT? HE'S I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU.
I KNOW FOR ME, THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S REACHED OUT HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT WE NOMINATED.
IT'S BEEN SILENCE FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.
DOES EVERYBODY ELSE ASSUME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET BACK ON THE INCUMBENT? THAT'S PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.
WAS THAT HOPE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPLIT VOTES BETWEEN MORE THAN ONE CANDIDATE? ALL RIGHT.
MR. SHAW, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE AN EMOTION MONEY BUTTON? YOU SAID 95 95 TO MS. BROOK PIPER, PIPER, PIPER, PIPER.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[33. Discuss and consider action on a Resolution establishing a Boards, Commissions and Committees Rules of Procedure.]
ITEM 33, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION, ESTABLISHING A BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES RULES OF PROCEDURE, CITY, SECRETARY CRABTREE.SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK TO Y'ALL AND WE TOOK IT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
WHAT Y'ALL RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE MADE THOSE CHANGES AND WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A SECOND SECOND SHOW.
UM, AND JUST A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO STAFF.
I THINK THAT THAT THE AMENDMENTS TO IT ARE GREAT AND IT LOOKS VERY GOOD.
UM, THERE'S A FIRST AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[34. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to: (1) Section 551.072 and 551.087, Texas Government Code, Deliberate the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property and deliberate proposed economic development incentives for one (1) or more business prospects that the governmental body seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting development negotiations; and (2) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding jurisdictional boundary matters with neighboring cities. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding: (1) one (1) or more business prospects; and (2) jurisdictional boundary matters with neighboring cities.]
I AM 34 CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ONE THAT'S SECTION 5 51 0.072 AND 5 5 1 0.087 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY AND DELIBERATE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS.AND THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE STATE OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENT OF BODY.
AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENT OF BUDDY IS CONDUCTING DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND TO SECTION 5 51 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY MATTERS WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES.
WE ARE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8:30 PM.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK AT 8:52 PM.
RECONVENING, UM, ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS, MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION.
WE DON'T PUT IT ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION.
AND ON JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY MATTERS WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES, MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION.
[35. Council Member Closing Statements.]
ON TO ITEM 35 COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS, PLEASE, HUH? YES.AS IF YOU NEED TO TELL ME, I MEAN, AS IF YOU NEED TO TELL ME, YOU NEED TO TELL ME AS IF I NEED TO TELL YOU, UH, SET YOUR CLOCKS BACK, UH, THIS WEEKEND, UH, NOVEMBER 11TH, THURSDAY, BE SURE AND COME OUT AND JOIN US AT THE, UH, VETERANS PARK PARK.
ALWAYS WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
VETERANS PARK, UH, 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING FOR A, UH, AN EVENT.
THAT'S IT HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY PLEASE.
T OH, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT YOU GOT IT.
SO I ALSO WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE VETERAN'S DAY.
I KNOW I'LL BE HONORING MY HUSBAND AND MY FATHER WHO SERVED SO NEXT WEEK, IF YOU CAN ATTENDED LEANDER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY HAPPY DEVALE TO OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN LANDER.
SO TODAY IS DEVALE AND HOPEFULLY YOU CELEBRATE.
AND THEN I WAS GOING TO MENTION THE MASON HERITAGE, BARBECUE, BUT I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE WILL HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
GOOD NIGHT, PLAY SIX, GOING TO HEIGHT MY TURN.
SO, UM, ON SATURDAY FROM 11, UNTIL THE MEAT RUNS OUT, PLEASE COME AND SUPPORT THE MASON HERITAGE FOUNDATION.
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1, 1, 3, 2 7 HERO WAY WEST, I THINK IS WHAT SHE ALWAYS SAYS HERE.A WAY WEST, UM, $20 FOR ADULTS, $15 FOR CHILDREN.
THIS IS A BARBECUE FUNDRAISER COME AND SUPPORT, UM, AN AWESOME, AWESOME FOUNDATION.
AND THANK YOU, CAT, AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
PLUS FOUR, I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATS TO LEANDER HIGH SCHOOL BAND AND TO ROUSE HIGH SCHOOL BAND ON THEIR PERFORMANCES THIS WEEK, THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB AND THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN THEIR PARENTS FOR THE SCHOOLS, FOR EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THEIR PERFORMANCES.
WE JUST WANT TO THANK HARDINESS FOR DINNER TONIGHT.
AND, UM, AS WE GO INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, OKAY, SORRY.
AS WE GO INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, WE WOULD LOVE EVERYBODY IN LEANDER TO REMEMBER THREE THINGS, SHOP LOCAL, SHOP LOCAL AND SHOP LOCAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR RETAILERS, OUR RESTAURANTS, THEY ARE PREDOMINANTLY LOCALLY OWNED AND THE ECONOMY IS HURTING PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
FOOD COSTS ARE GOING UP AND LABOR COSTS ARE GOING UP AND THINGS ARE TAKING LONGER TO GET HERE.
SO AS YOU'RE GOING INTO NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, PLEASE REMEMBER TO EAT AT OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS, SHOP AT OUR LOCAL STORES.
AND IF YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING IN LEANDER, ORDER IT ONLINE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HELP KEEP MONEY IN OUR LEANDER ECONOMY AND KEEP YOUR TAXES DOWN.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:56 PM.