Nov 09, 2021 P&amp;Z Commission

ON TO THE ELECTION OF THE SECRETARY.

UNTIL THE NEXT PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE

[6. Election of Secretary.]

OH, I, I, I NOMINEE, I NOMINATED ELLEN HERE FOR A, YET ANOTHER ILLUSTRIOUS YEAR AS CHAIRMAN.

EXCUSE ME, AS THE SECRETARY.

OH SECOND.

NUMBER SEVEN, THE DIRECTORS REPORT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND YOU'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM

[7. Director’s report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on actions taken by the City Council at the 11/4/2021 meeting.]

UM, GOOD EVENING.

I'M REPORTING ON THE ACTION TAKEN BY CITY COUNCIL DURING THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING, UM, THEY HEARD SEVERAL ITEMS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UM, THEY REVIEWED THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY DID DENY THAT REQUEST.

THEY APPROVED THE ZONING CASE FOR THE BELL TRACT AND THE ABSTRACT.

THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE LOCATED ON CRYSTAL FALLS.

UM, THEY DENIED THE KAUFMAN LOOP, TOWNHOUSES, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY APPROVED THE HAMPTON PARK CONCEPT PLAN AND THEY APPROVED THE LEANDRA STATE'S CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY COMPLY WITH ANY CHANGES MADE TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

AND THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING AT THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

UM, AND THEY COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE WILDFIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND THEY ALSO APPROVED THAT ONE.

UM, THAT'S IT FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THERE WILL BE A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, ON NOVEMBER 18TH, STARTING AT FIVE 30, WE'LL ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL AND THAT'S IT FROM OUR REPORT.

THANK YOU, MS. GRIFFIN, AT THIS POINT,

[8. Review of meeting protocol.]

WE WERE, UH, REVIEW THE MEETING PROTOCOL AND MOVED TO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEM OR ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM? NOT THE AGENDA.

AT THIS POINT, WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT

[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]

AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER 10 THROUGH 14 AS WRITTEN MOTION TO APPROVE A SECOND OF A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER HEINZ.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

MEHAN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE WILL

[15. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Special Use Case 21-SU-005 to consider action on a Special Use Permit to allow for a tattoo studio on one parcel of land approximately 0.155 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036105; and addressed as 106 W Willis St, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-TOD-SU-005 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 15, PUBLIC HEARING CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SPECIAL USE CASE 21 TO CONSIDER ACTION ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A TATTOO STUDIO ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 0.15, FIVE ACRES, MORE OR LESS THAN SIZE AND ADDRESS AS 1 0 6 WEST WILLOW STREET, LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

WE HAVEN'T STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS MICHAEL JANESKY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UH, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A

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SPECIAL USE REQUEST IN ORDER TO ALLOW A TATTOO BUSINESS TO OPERATE UNDER THE T4 ZONING ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, USES PERMITTED IN A ZONING DISTRICT ARE CLASSIFIED IN TWO WAYS.

THE FIRST TYPE OF USE IS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS A USED PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IS ALLOWED IN THE SPECIFIED ZONING DISTRICT PROVIDED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING AND SITE REQUIREMENTS.

THE SECOND TYPE OF USE IS WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS A SPECIAL USE, ESPECIALLY USE PERMIT ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN LAND USES IN A GIVEN ZONING DISTRICT, AND GENERALLY REQUIRES MORE REVIEW BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED USE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES IN THIS CASE, A TATTOO PARLOR IS NOT A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE SMART CODE.

THE INTENT OF THE SMART CODE IS TO PROMOTE GROWTH STRATEGIES, WHICH ENCOURAGE INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT IN PARODY WITH NEW COMMUNITIES AND THE T4 GENERAL URBAN ZONE DOES ALLOW FOR LIMITED RETAIL USES, UH, GENERALLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.

SO THE SURROUNDING AREA AS WE SHOULD BE FAMILIAR IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, IT'S AT THE CORNER OF NORTH BRUSHY STREET AND WEST WILLIS STREET.

UH, THE PROPOSED BUSINESS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TENANT IN THE BUILDING, WHICH CURRENTLY HOUSES THE LEANDER BEER MARKET.

THIS PROPERTY WAS ALSO PART OF THE ORIGINAL INCORPORATION OF THE CITY OF LEANDER.

THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT INCLUDES A WAIVER TO THE SMART CODE TO ALLOW THE TATTOO BUSINESS WITHIN THE T4 DISTRICT.

THE TATTOO BUSINESS TYPE IS NOT REFERENCED AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE SMART CODE.

AND IN REVIEWING THIS REQUEST, STAFF IDENTIFIED THE EQUIVALENT ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOES ALLOW TATTOO BUSINESS IN THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE AS HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

IN THIS CASE, THE T4 DISTRICT IS NOT MEANT TO OPERATE AS HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

SO USE IS PERMITTED IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL, UH, SHOULD BE EVALUATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHEN REQUESTING OPERATE UNDER THE SMART CODE.

THE REQUEST ALSO INCLUDES THE WAIVER TO THE LIMITATION THAT ALL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE T4 DISTRICT, WE LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

UH, THE TIMEFRAME FOR EXPLORATION OF THIS SPECIAL USE REQUEST HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED, BUT THE INTENT IS FOR THIS TO BE TEMPORARY.

THE NEXT STEP FOR THE APPLICANT IN THIS APPLICATION IS RE, IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BY P AND Z WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT TO RECEIVE AN APPROVING VOTE FROM CITY COUNCIL.

AND AFTER THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO OBTAIN ANY AND ALL APPROPRIATE PERMITS FROM THE CITY.

AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT? WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

DID ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AT THIS POINT? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION MR. MAN, NO QUESTIONS, MR. KYLE'S GROVE.

UM, ONE QUICK ONE FOR STAFF.

IT IS THIS LOCATION WHERE THE PETULA JOE'S BOOKSTORE WAS? YES, I BELIEVE SO.

THANK YOU, MR. MOSS COMMISSIONER.

LANTRIP NO QUESTION COMMISSIONER HINES.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW THE, HOW THE FORM-BASED CODE APPROACHES THIS.

IT WAS STATED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT THIS HAS NOT SHOWN UP AS AN ALLOWED USE.

I THOUGHT THAT THE WAY THAT THE FORM-BASED CODE WAS GENERALLY SUPPOSED TO WORK WAS THAT IF A USE WASN'T EXPLICITLY DISALLOWED THAN THE FORM OF THE BUILDING WAS THE ONLY THING THAT WE WERE, WE WERE REGULATING.

ARE WE SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT EVERY SINGLE TRANSECT HAS A LIST OF USES, WHICH ARE ACCEPTABLE INSIDE IT? OKAY.

UH, SECOND QUESTION I'VE GOT IS ABOUT, THERE'S A COMMENT IN HERE ABOUT A WAIVER TO ALLOW ACTIVITY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT AS COMMISSIONER CASTRO GROVE JUST POINTED OUT, THIS IS FOR THE GROUND FLOOR.

SO IT'S SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT HAPPENING ON THE UPPER FLOOR.

SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TATTOO PROBABLY WAS TAKING THE MAGNOLIA SPOT.

IT'S UPSTAIRS, JUST ABOVE, JUST ABOVE WHICH WE WERE TRULY JOE'S WAS.

UM, SO WE ARE BEING ASKED TO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST INCLUDE THIS USE IN THE SMART CODE? LIKE, I MEAN, THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF A FORM-BASED CODE IS THAT WE ARE WITH SMALL EXCEPTIONS REGULATING THE FORM OF THE BUILDING AND NOT THE USE WITHIN THAT BUILDING.

AN AMENDMENT TO THE FORM-BASED CODE, GOING THROUGH I'M AN OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.

THAT'S WHY YOU CAN HAVE A GROCERY STORE IN THE T2 TRANSECT ZONE AND YOU HAVE A GROCERY STORE AND THE , THEY'RE JUST VERY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, RIGHT? WE DON'T DISALLOW A MIX OF USES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

SO I, I MEAN, AS, AS A SPECIAL USE, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS.

I THINK MY BROADER ISSUE IS THAT IT FEELS LIKE THIS SHOULDN'T BE THE SORT OF THING THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL ON.

IT SHOULD BE PART OF LIKE, THAT IS THE, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE INTENT OF THE FORM-BASED CODE.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THAT.

PERHAPS BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSS

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AND PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE OLD TOWN AREA AND THE SMART CODE.

SO OUR PLAN WAS TO UPDATE IT AT THAT TIME WITH THE HOLISTIC APPROACH, BECAUSE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS TO ADD.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT FOR YOU IN NORTHLINE, WHICH, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, NEARING VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT NOW.

UM, OF COURSE THERE WAS A, THEY HAVE SPECIAL LANGUAGE, BUT THE UNDERPINNINGS, THEIR FALLBACK, AS OPPOSED TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE ORDINANCE, IF SOMETHING ISN'T COVERED IS THE FORM-BASED CODE THAT WE HAVE ON FILE.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF SOMEONE IN NORTHLINE IN A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ON MAIN STREET CAME IN AND WANTED TO CREATE ANY BUSINESS, THAT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY LISTED IN THE LIST OF, OF USES IN THE FORM-BASED CODE.

AND IT WASN'T SPOKEN TO IN NORTH LINE'S INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW.

AND THE, THE NORTHLAND PET INCLUDES A PERMITTED LIST OF PERMITTED USES SLIP.

IS IT MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE PERMITTED USES LISTED IN OUR CURRENT FORM BASED CODE? IT'S LESS, IT'S LESS RESTRICTIVE.

AND SO DOES IF, IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A USE THAT IS ON THAT LIST, THAT IS MORE PERMISSIVE THAN IN THE CURRENT FORM BASED CODE, BUT THUS NOT ON THE CURRENT FORM-BASED CODE, THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO COME TO US FOR ANY ONE OF THOSE ENUMERATED USES THAT ARE IN THE NORTHLAND DOCUMENTS.

THERE WOULD BE NO DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE NORTHLINE DOCUMENTS EXP EXPLICITLY LISTED IN THE NORTHLAND DOCUMENTS.

WELL, I GUESS THAT MY POSITION WOULD BE, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I REALIZED.

AND I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT CODE FOR A LONG TIME.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT MISSES THE MARK ON THE ACTUAL GOAL OF A FORM-BASED CODE.

IF WE'RE OVER-REGULATING USES, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE WORST, MOST INTENSE USES.

WE DON'T WANT A CHEMICAL FACTORY NEXT TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, REGARDLESS OF THE FORM OF THE BUILDING.

BUT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN A BUILDING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE IN PLACE.

AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT, UH, CORRECT TO BE ADJACENT TO OTHER USES NOT ITS USE EXPLICITLY.

SO, UH, LAST THING I WANT TO ASK ABOUT IS THAT THERE IS NOT A TIMEFRAME DESIGNATED ON THIS.

ARE WE ABLE TO JUST MAKE IT A CARP LAUNCH TILL THE END OF TIME? SO YOU NEED TO DETERMINE A TIMEFRAME.

USUALLY YOU START WITH FIVE YEARS.

UM, BUT IT'S OKAY.

I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS WITH A 99 YEAR TIME LIMIT, OR IT NEEDS TO BE FIVE OR 10.

IT HAS TO BE LIKE A MORE REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.

THAT IS OUR TYPICAL PROCESS.

SO WE DON'T DO SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOREVER.

WELL, IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IF I GO BROWSE THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, IT'S GOING TO TELL ME THAT I CAN'T DO MORE THAN 10.

IT'S NOT OUR PRACTICE TO DO THAT.

BUT WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION HERE.

MAYBE I SHOULD PULL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING LONGER THAN THAT? OKAY.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT LONGER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD ADMINISTRATIVELY TO KEEP UP WITH IN 99.

BUT NOW THAT IT'S COME TO US AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON IT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

WE CAN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE.

CORRECT.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE FIXED WITH THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.

IT WOULD BE.

AND THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN WE FUNDED, SO WE HAVE THE BUDGET FOR IT.

SO THAT'S HAPPENING THIS YEAR EFFECTIVELY OR NEXT YEAR OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

WELL THEN IN THAT CASE, OH YEAH, ROBIN, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THEN.

SO IF THE, IF THE ALLTEL MASTER PLAN DOES GET AMENDED AND THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT ENDS, SO THEY NEED TO SEEK SOMETHING ADDITIONAL OR IS IT JUST GOING TO ROLL OVER SINCE NOW? THEY'RE IN, IT'S UP TO WE USE.

AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 16, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 32 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM S F R ONE DASH B SINGLE FAMILY RULE TO S F U TWO DASH A SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN AND S F C TWO DASH A SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 43.995 ACRES, MORE OR LESS THAN SIZE, AND ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH INTERSECTION OF JOURNEY PARKWAY AND PECAN PARK DRIVE LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND WELCOME NEW COMMISSIONERS.

THEN IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH A 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HEINZ SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

LANTRIP ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO

[16. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-032 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to SFU-2-A (Single-Family Urban) and SFC-2-A (Single-Family Compact) on one parcel of land approximately 43.995 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031542; and generally located to the north of the intersection of Journey Pkwy and Pecan Park Dr, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-032 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND ZONING, UH, FOR THE DESIGNATED PROPERTY.

IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL USES A SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS.

THIS PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO A, AN ANNEXATION DEVELOPMENT

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AGREEMENT.

SO WHEN IT DEVELOPS, IT GETS TRIGGERS, ANNEXATION, UH, ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY IS REQUIRED WHEN THE PROPERTY DEVELOPS, UH, THE ANNEXATION REQUEST 21 DASH EIGHT DASH ZERO SIX WILL BE REVIEWED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, FOR THE SURROUNDING USES TO THE NORTH IS ETJ.

UH, AND RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS THE CREEK MIDDLE STATES TO THE EAST IS ALSO ETJ.

IT'S UNDEVELOPED, UH, AG LAND AND FURTHER EAST IS RESIDENTIAL, UM, TO THE SOUTH ACROSS, UH, JOURNEY PARKWAY.

WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND THE CONCRETE SUBDIVISION.

UH, THERE'S ALSO INTERIM SFR, ONE B AND IT IS UNDEVELOPED INTO THE WEST.

WE HAVE THE JOURNEY BIBLE CHURCH.

I BELIEVE IT IS A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR I PUT, LET'S SEE.

SO A STAFF MET WITH THE DEVELOPER ON SEPTEMBER, 2001 FOR A DEVELOPMENT MEETING SINCE THEN NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, UM, NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE HILL COUNTRY NEWS ON OCTOBER THE 21ST, UH, MAILING NOTIFICATIONS ARE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER WHERE ON OCTOBER 22ND, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNAGE WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, ALSO ON OCTOBER 22ND.

UH, TONIGHT IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, DECEMBER 2ND WILL BE THE SECOND, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL IS TENTATIVE, UH, FOR THE FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON THE 16TH OF DECEMBER.

UM, LET'S SEE.

SO UTILITIES EXIST ON THE SITE.

UH, THERE IS A 12 INCH WATER LINE ON JOURNEY PARKWAY AND A 36 INCH WATER LINE RUNNING THROUGH NORTH SOUTH THROUGH THE, UH, THE PROPERTY THROUGH BRUSHY CREEK FLOOD PLAIN.

UH, THE FLOOD IS ONSITE HERE.

IT RUNS RIGHT ABOUT HERE, UH, BRUSHY CREEK.

SO YOU HAVE A FLOOD PLAIN AND A FLOOD WAY.

UM, JUST TO GET A LITTLE BEARINGS ON THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF THE PECAN CREEK SUBDIVISION ALONG JOURNEY PARKWAY, UH, AND EAST OF JOURNEY, UH, FELLOWSHIP CHURCH, STEVE, AFTER THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS MAILED BY THE CITY, WHICH IS THE 200 FOOT BUFFER NOTICES, THE AGENT REACHED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS OF PROPERTY ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY OR PROPERTY OWNERS USED AS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, AND THE H O S UH, WITHIN 500 FEET AS REQUIRED PER, UH, ARTICLE 10, SECTION THREE D OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.

ANY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET, UH, AGAIN WERE CONTACTED.

UH, MICROSOFT TEAMS MEETING WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2001 MEMBERS OF THE PECAN CREEK HOA PECAN CREEK HOA BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND HOA MANAGER ATTENDED IN WHICH NO CONCERNS WERE RAISED DURING THIS, UH, COMMUNICATION TO DATE, NO SPECIFIC CONDITIONS WERE ADDED OR MODIFIED FROM THE ZONING REQUEST BASED ON THE PECAN CREEK HOA AND NEIGHBOR COMMUNICATION.

UH, THE FULL REPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER EIGHT.

UH, THE ZONING REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND SEEKS TO PROVIDE A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING TYPES THAT WILL COMPLIMENT THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS.

UH, BOTH THE ESTABLISHED BASED OWNINGS OF SFC TWO, A AND S F C S F U TWO A WILL FOLLOW THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE CURRENT COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.

UH, WITH THAT SAID, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL BE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE AN AFTER THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

NICE.

SEE YOU ALL THIS EVENING.

PETER RADICCHIO STC PLANNING, TRY TO BE BRIEF THIS EVENING.

UH, STAFF SOUNDED GOOD.

GOOD JOB, A THOROUGH REPORT FOR YOU ALL ON THE CONTEXT OF THE PROPERTY AND DECISION PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH WITH THEM.

JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH Y'ALL.

IF I MAY, FIRST IS THE CONTEXT AND THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS ARIEL AND HAS BEEN NOTED TO YOU, THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED BY BRUSHY CREEK AND THE ASSOCIATED FLOOD PLAIN.

AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY ON BOTH EAST AND WEST ARE ESSENTIALLY FLAT PASTURE LANDS

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WITHOUT TREES, AS WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE KNOWN ME FOR A WHILE, WE'VE DONE SOME OTHER PROJECTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AND IN THIS AREA.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY MINDFUL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND AS WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN TWO, UH, LAND USE DISTRICTS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THE GREEN BEING GREENWAYS, AND IN OUR, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, WE WILL CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT CORRIDOR.

OF COURSE, THERE ISN'T A ZONING DISTRICT FOR GREENWAY.

SO IT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE TWO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, BUT WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE PARSHA CREEK FLOOD PLAIN.

AND WE'LL BE INCORPORATING THAT AS OPEN SPACE IN PARKLAND AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD, AND THE LIGHT YELLOW AREAS THAT YOU SEE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE'RE SEEKING YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A ZONING DISTRICTS CONSISTENT WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE PLANNING DISTRICT.

ANOTHER THING WORTH NOTING ON HERE IS YOU'LL SEE THAT YELLOW LINE FOR COLLECTOR EXISTING.

THERE ISN'T AN EXISTING ROAD THERE AND THAT'S COMING OUT CALM PARK, BUT WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT ROAD.

AND SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION DESIGN PROCESS, WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT ROADWAY MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR PROJECT, PICTURE'S WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

UM, SO JUST WANT TO GRAPHICALLY TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL GRAPHICALLY, THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND HOW THEY'RE PLACED, AND IT SINGLE-FAMILY COMPACT WITH 50 FOOT LOTS, AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY URBAN WITH 60 FOOT LOTS.

AND WE HAVE THAT DELINEATION AND THAT BOUNDARY, IF YOU WILL ORDER TO MEET THE, UM, DIVERSIFICATION REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE ZONING FOR X NUMBER OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL, LOTS OF BOTH DISTRICTS DUE TO THE SIZE PIECE OF LAND.

SO WE'RE ALSO MEETING THAT WITH THIS REQUEST, AND IT'S AN INTENTIONAL BOUNDARY DELINEATED FOR YOU THERE.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL WRAP IT UP AND BE AVAILABLE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE AND APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I THINK SO.

I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP ARE WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP, UH, JAMES PITTMAN.

IF YOU'LL STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'LL HAVE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

THANK YOU GUYS.

UM, YEAH, UH, JAMES PITTMAN.

UM, MY ADDRESS IS, UH, ONE 15 VALLEY VIEW.

UM, MY PROPERTY, UH, BASICALLY IS, UH, ADJACENT ON THE BACK AND THE, BASICALLY THE CORNER TOP, I GUESS, THE NORTH EAST CORNER, UM, OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT, UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED INTO THIS AREA, UH, ON FIVE ACRE, LOTS, UH, WITH THE PLAN OF, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN A MORE RULE, UM, ENVIRONMENT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND TIMES CHANGE THINGS CHANGE, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE CONCERNS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE CREEK HABITAT AND, UH, THE CHANGES THAT WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY AFFECT THE, THE FLOOD PLAIN ON THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY, WHERE BRUSHY CREEK RUNS THROUGH.

UM, AND SO, UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE ARE CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT AND UNDERSTAND, UH, REALLY WHAT THEIR USES ARE, WE REALLY CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

SO THANK YOU.

ONE QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

UH, THERE WAS A JONATHAN MCKEE THAT ALSO SIGNED UP.

HE WAS AT ONE 13, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO, YES, HE'S MY NEIGHBOR.

AND JONATHAN MICKEY ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK WITH THE ADD TO LEAVE.

HE WANTED, UH, TO SAY THAT HE WAS AGAINST THIS, AND I AGAIN MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NO OUTREACH BY THE APPLICANT.

WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THEM? IF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION, UM, START WITH COMMISSIONER IONS.

WELL, WE HAVE MADE IT A POINT ON THIS COMMISSION TO SAY THAT NOTIFICATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, DID THE NOTIFICATIONS GET SENT AND WERE THEY CERTIFIED? DO WE KNOW? SO THE, THE CITY MILLS NOTICE HIS TERRIBLE IN 200 FEET AND THAT'S NOT CERTIFIED, BUT THE APPLICANT IS SUPPOSED TO REACH OUT TO EVERYONE WITHIN 500 FEET.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR OUTREACH INCLUDING.

ACTUALLY, BEFORE HE SAYS ANYTHING ELSE, DO WE KNOW IF THE TWO FOLKS WHO LIVE NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BOUNDARY? EXCUSE ME, 200, 250 FOOT BOUNDARY.

I GUESS WE CAN, UH, AT THE APPLICANT UP HERE AND WE CAN ASK

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I'M SORRY, THE ONE FOR THE CITY MAILING.

OH YEAH, YEAH, SURE.

ROY SHRUBBY WITH MY HOMES.

UH, WE DID NOT, UH, REACH OUT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.

I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE 500 FEET, WE REACHED OUT TO THE CONCRETE.

I WOULD SAY, OF COURSE, I DON'T WANT TO STOP ANYBODY FROM SAYING THEIR PIECE HERE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, SINCE WE HAVE THAT ABILITY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAVE GENERALLY COME TO THIS AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS A BIG PART OF THIS PROCESS IS NOTIFICATION OF, OF NEARBY RESIDENCE.

SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT MOTION OPEN IF THE CHAIRMAN IS OKAY WITH THAT.

AND, AND I'LL SECOND THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A NON-STARTER FOR ME AS WELL UNTIL WE GET THAT RESOLVED.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DELAYING TO THE NEXT MEETING PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

17, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, ET CETERA.

AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 17.

AND JUST BEFORE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I THINK MRS. GRIFFIN IS LOOKING UP.

ARE YOU STILL, I JUST AM INTERESTED TO KNOW IF THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A LETTER FROM THE CITY OR NOT.

IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY, THE 200 FOOT BUFFER NOTICE THAT THE CITY SENDS OUT.

HE DID THE, GET THE NOTICE FROM THE CITY.

HE DID NOT HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM.

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[17. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-033 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to SFR-2-B (Single-Family Rural) on three parcels of land approximately 10.35 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Travis Central Appraisal District Parcels 354047, 354050, and 354048; and generally located to the south of the intersection of CR 290 and Hidden Mesa, Leander, Travis County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-033 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

ACTION.

REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 33, TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM S F R ONE DASH B.

SINGLE-FAMILY RURAL TO S F R TWO DASH B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 10.3, FIVE ACRES, MORE OR LESS IN SIZE, AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 90 AND HIDDEN MESA, LEANDER WINDS AND COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION JUSTIN HUNT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY TO SFR SINGLE FAMILY DASH TWO DASH B, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NINE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, ONE ACRE OR LARGER.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD, TWO 90, JUST NORTH OF CRYSTAL MESA COVE.

THE PARCELS ARE SOUTH OF LOT 35 AND 36.

I'VE HIDDEN MESA SUBDIVISION WEST OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN THE ETJ AND EAST OF TWO SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOTS LOCATED IN THE ETJ.

THE SITE CONTAINS MANY TREES ON THE SOUTHERN MOST PARTIAL, UH, SCATTERED TREES ACROSS THE TWO REMAINING PARCELS AND SLOPES TOWARDS COUNTY ROAD TWO 90.

THIS PROPERTY HAS ACCESS ONTO HIGH LUMP-SUM AND COUNTY ROAD.

TWO 90 A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON JUNE 21ST, 2021.

NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT.

SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HEAD HELD, A NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

THE AGENT ALSO REACHED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, OR HAVING SINGLE FAMILY USES WITHIN 500 FEET.

A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS NOT HELD, BUT A LETTER WAS SENT OUT.

THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANY RESPONSES TO THE LETTER FROM THE NOTIFIED OWNERS, BUT THE LETTER IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ALONG COUNTY ROAD, TWO 90 HIGH LONESOME WITH A SECONDARY TRAIL PLANNED ON THEIR SITE PER THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN.

THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE OF SFR DASH TWO DASH B IS AN ALLOWED USE PER THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF RURAL AND SATISFIES.

THE USE COMPONENT OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE IN IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.

THIS IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS CASE, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

I'M SHOWING FRIEND WITH CUNNINGHAM MOUNTAIN CIVIL ENGINEERS.

DID WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION?

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I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION.

I MEAN, THAT WAS A BELT THAT COVERED EVERYTHING, BUT I'M HERE FOR, OKAY.

AT THIS POINT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

I CALL YOUR NAME.

IF YOU'LL STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

ROBERT BUTTS, LIKE YOU APPRECIATE THAT.

AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

HIS NAME IS ROBERT BUTTS, UH, ADDRESS 200 RIDGE.

AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS, WANT TO SAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT? UH, BELIEVE THERE WAS A MENTION OF A LETTER SENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT WAS NOT RECEIVED BY MYSELF OR ANYBODY ELSE.

I SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THERE WAS NO NOTIFICATION OTHER THAN THE SIGNS THAT WERE POSTED TO MY KNOWLEDGE, A COUPLE OF MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE COUNTY ROAD TWO 90, WHICH IS THE MAIN FEED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY A ROAD.

THIS DETERIORATING IT'S ALREADY ROAD THAT'S OVERCROWDED HAS EXCESSIVE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON IT.

AND, UM, IT'S NOT A REALLY SAFE PLACE TO DRIVE.

AND SO ADDING MORE RESIDENTS DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE TO FIX THAT ROAD, WIDEN THAT ROAD.

I MEAN, THERE'S SECTIONS, I HAVE AT LEAST A FOOT OR MORE DROP OFF.

UM, IT'S JUST VERY UNSAFE.

AND, UM, EVER SINCE THAT ROAD WAS OPENED UP TO THE CRYSTAL FALLS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE TRAFFIC HAS JUST INCREASED AND INCREASED AND INCREASED.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN.

ANOTHER CONCERN IS, UH, IT'S HARD TO TELL HIM THIS, THIS MAP, BUT, UM, COUNTY ROAD, TWO 90, AS IT TURNS IN ONLY HAS A FEW FEET, AND THEN IT TURNS INTO A PRIVATE ROAD.

UM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT.

AND, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION WHERE THE COUNTY MAINTENANCE STOPS.

UM, SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT FRONT EDGE ON THAT NORTHERN SIDE, THERE IS NOT COUNTY ROAD, THAT'S PRIVATE ROAD THAT HIDDEN MESA MAINTAINS.

UM, YES.

THE YES, THAT CORRECT.

AND THEN, UM, IF YOU ALSO WERE TO BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN ON THAT, THAT SAME ROAD AND THEN HIDDEN MESA, WHICH COMES DOWN SORT OF TO THE SOUTH, UM, THIS PROPERTY, IF IT'S DEVELOPED THOSE, THOSE PROPERTY LINES ACTUALLY GO INTO THOSE ROADS ALMOST COMPLETELY COVERED THOSE ROADS.

SO OUR CONCERN IS WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO TO THE ENTRANCE, TO OUR, TO OUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT? UM, WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO THE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE? UM, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE NEW, IS THIS A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THIS PROPERTY HAS ALREADY DEED RESTRICTED.

UM, AND ANOTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE, AND MAYBE JUST SOMETHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT FOR EVERYTHING I COULD SEE IN MY RESEARCH, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE CITY OF LANDER.

I KNOW IT'S IN THE ETJ, UM, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF LANDER.

AND I DID NOT SEE ANY, UM, ANNEXATION REQUEST OR APPROVAL FOR THAT.

UNLIKE THE PIECES THAT WERE DONE, UM, JUST SOUTH OF THIS PREVIOUSLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WONDERING WHAT PART LEANDER HOUSING APPROVING ZONING CHANGES FOR PROPER DESK, NOT IN THE CITY.

AND, UM, LET'S SEE REALLY, THAT'S A LOT MORE I CAN SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE MOVED OUT THERE AND I KNOW THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIVE, WHAT I'VE HEARD TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT IS KEEPING THE AREA AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING USED THE SAME WAY IT'S BEEN USED.

UM, THESE ARE NOT ANYTHING LIKE MINIMUM OF THREE TO 10 OR MORE ACRE, LOTS.

THESE ARE SMALLER LOTS AND SET OF COMPLETELY CHANGE.

NEXT UP, LINNIE LOZANO.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MESSED UP YOUR NAME, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HELLO.

MY NAME IS LENNY.

VERY, VERY GOOD TRY.

UM, MY PROPERTY IS ON 200 HIDDEN MASON, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, HOW DOES THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU MAKE A RIGHT, I'M LIKE LITERALLY LIKE ON THE FIRST LEFT, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NOTIFICATION FROM ANYONE FROM THE CITY OR FROM THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THIS.

WE WERE NOTIFIED BECAUSE THERE WERE SIGNS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, WE MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SIX YEARS AGO.

UM, WE MOVED FROM ROUND ROCK TO, AND WE LIVED IN A VERY, VERY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COOKIE CUTTER NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE WASN'T A LOT OF LAND WHERE OUR NEIGHBORS WERE FURTHER AWAY FROM US.

AND IT WAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUIET.

UM, THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS THE ENTRANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WILL GREATLY AFFECT HOW WE RAISE OUR KIDS, HOW THEY WALK TO THE SCHOOL BUS.

UM, THE SCHOOL BUS JUST NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE ON A PRIVATE ROAD ACTUALLY GOES TO RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY CORNER OF, UM, THE OTHER CORNER.

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THAT'S WHERE MY KIDS GO AND WAIT FOR THE SCHOOL BUS, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE ON A PRIVATE ROAD AND WE MAINTAIN EVERYTHING, UM, OURSELVES LIKE LITERALLY MY HUSBAND AND SOME OF THE MEN THAT I THINK USE TONIGHT, GET UP AT LIKE SIX IN THE MORNING AND GO AND SHOVEL ASPHALT OR WHATEVER MATERIALS ARE USED TO DO THIS.

AND WE MAINTAIN THE ROAD OURSELVES AT OUR OWN COSTS FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY IN.

SO FOR ME, THIS IS NOT ONLY THE ISSUE OF THIS IS GOING TO DESTROY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW I LOVE, I WASN'T NOTIFIED THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE ROAD THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE PAID.

AND MY HUSBAND'S LITERALLY BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS ARE LAID ON THAT ROAD.

UM, THIS IS GOING TO RAISE OUR TAXES AND IT'S GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND AN AREA THAT IS PEACEFUL.

MY NEIGHBORS HAVE HORSES.

UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, YOU KNOW, CATTLE AND THIS IS GOING TO COMPLETELY CREATE A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD OR A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAN WHAT WE ENVISIONED, UM, FOR, FOR US.

UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO SELL AND TRY TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

UM, HAVING SAID THAT THIS WOULD COMPLETELY COMPLETELY CHANGE THE ENTRANCE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS WILL CREATE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE CITY OUTSIDE OF OUR VERY PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WILL VARY GREATLY DISRUPTED.

I HAVE ONE MORE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK L COOPER.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MA'AM THANK YOU.

I NAMED MY NAME IS LILITH COOPER.

MY ADDRESS IS 5 0 1 MESA OAKS LEANDER 7 8 6 4 1.

I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS IN, UM, PLANNING AND SEWING.

UM, PREVIOUS OCCASIONS.

I AM NOT COMPLETELY AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.

HOWEVER, I DO HAVE SOME VERY VALID CONCERNS THAT BOTH MYSELF AND MANY, PERHAPS SOME OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS DO.

I AM ON MESA OAKS.

WE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE 24 YEARS, PAID FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, PURCHASE MATERIAL, USED HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON OUR OWN TO MAINTAIN THOSE ROADS.

NOW WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING AT THE VERY CORNER OF MESA OAKS, AND LET'S SEE HIDDEN MESA COUNTY ROAD TWO 90.

THE QUESTION IS ONCE THIS IS DEVELOPED, WHERE IS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THESE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT? AND IF THEY'RE COMING OUT INTO THE SUBDIVISION OR PART OF THE ROADS, IS THAT DEVELOPER GOING TO, UM, PAY TO KEEP THE ROADS MAINTAINED AFTER ALL THEY'RE PRIVATE, IF THAT'S NOT GOING TO OCCUR IS THE CITY LAND ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THAT.

THAT'S MY, MY LARGEST CONCERN RIGHT HERE.

UM, LIKE I STATED, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHO'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE ALL ALONG IN ADDITION TO, UM, COUNTY ROAD, TWO 90 FALLING APART IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

AND I KNOW THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY CRISS CROSS, BUT, UM, THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

IF WE'RE BRINGING IN MORE TRAFFIC, WE NEED TO FIX THAT AND NOT JUST LEAVE IT ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT DO LIVE INSIDE A HIDDEN MESA.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MA'AM I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

DID ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THEM? YES, SIR.

FEEL STEP FORWARD TO THE IT'S.

IF YOU'LL FILL OUT A CARD AND HEADED TO THE SECRETARY APP AFTERWARDS, AS IT STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AGO, UH, GRANT HILL, UH, FIVE 18 MESA OAKS.

I LIVED JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM ALICE WHO JUST SPOKE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO HER OPINION ON THE INGRESS EGRESS.

UH, THIS REALLY DOESN'T TELL US A WHOLE LOT, YOU KNOW, WE SEE TEN ONE ACRE, LOTS, BUT WHERE THE STREETS GOING IN, WHERE THE STREETS GOING OUT, UM, IS IT GOING TO ENCROACH ON THE PRIVATE ROAD? UH, IN ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE WATER'S COMING FROM, BECAUSE

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WE'RE ALL ON WELLS.

UH, YOU DRILL 10 WELLS OUT THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO SUCK IT DRY.

UH, ALSO, WHEREAS THE SEPTIC IS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IS THIS IS A CITY GOING TO RUN SEPTIC TO THESE LOCATIONS AND, UH, OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM? UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, BUT, UH, WHAT IS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT SORT OF HOMES ARE GOING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO AFFECT US.

IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR PROPERTY TAXES.

UH, IN ADDITION, WE ENJOY THE NIGHT SKY.

I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STREETLIGHTS OR IF, UM, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR NIGHT SKY OUT IN THE COUNTRY.

OTHERWISE THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT, SIR.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF THEM AT THIS POINT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION MR. MAHAN.

UM, WELL, CAN SOMEONE FROM STAFF, LET ME KNOW IF ATTACHMENT FOUR, IS THAT THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY OR IS THAT THE 500 FOOT BOUNDARY? 200 FOOT.

SO IT'S THE CITY'S BOUNDARY.

BECAUSE THE FIRST GENTLEMAN'S WAY OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY, I'M SURE.

BUT THE SECOND, UM, UH, LADY WHO SPOKE, SHE'S GOTTA BE WITHIN THAT 500 FEET AND NOT BEING NOTIFIED.

I KIND OF GO BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HINES SAID WITH THE LAST ONE.

IT'S AGAIN, IT'S A NON-STARTER FOR ME.

CAN WE, CAN WE JUST VERIFY, DID THE PEOPLE INSIDE THAT PURPLE LINE GET ONE OF THE CITY NOTIFICATIONS? OKAY.

AND THEY SHOULD HAVE, UM, THE WOMAN THAT SPOKE SAYING SHE DIDN'T GET A NOTICE IS WITHIN 500 FEET NOT RIGHT OUTSIDE OF.

AND CAN WE JUST, CAN WE ESTABLISH IF THE APPLICANT SENT OUT THEIR 500 DID THEIR 500 FOOT COMMUNICATION, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T.

SO YEAH.

W RON, RON, WE, WE CAN'T, UH, HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER, MAN, I'M GOING TO SAY I'M WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, WHICH IS THAT, UNLESS WE CAN DEFINITIVELY SHOW THAT THEY'VE HAD SOME COMMUNICATION, IF EVERY PERSON IN THE BUILDING IS SAYING, THEY DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND JUST TAKE ONE PERSON'S WORD OVER ANOTHER.

WE HAVE TO EITHER GET PROOF OR THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COME OUT HERE SAYING YES, WE HEARD FROM THEM.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE FOUR FOR THE APPLICANT.

THEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DID YOU SEND IT CERTIFIED? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF THAT, THAT IT WAS MAILED AND YEAH.

WHICH OF COURSE YOU'RE WELCOME NOT TO, BUT IT PUTS US IN THIS UNFORTUNATE SITUATION WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING IT DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM YOU.

SO, I MEAN, YEAH.

AND, AND, AND WE DON'T DO WHAT HE SAID.

SHE SAID TYPE THING UP HERE.

OH, I GUESS MY TIME'S UP.

THANKS.

UM, WE DON'T DO THE, HE SAID, SHE SAID, BUT WE STILL WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.

POSTPONING, AS WE DID WITH THE PREVIOUS, UM, APPLICANT DOESN'T DELAY, YOU GETTING TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT DOES ALLOW YOU THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTS ARE NOTIFIED.

I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T MADE ANY MOTION, SO YEAH.

I ALSO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS TOO.

SO PLEASE, MR. IF I COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION FOR A SECOND, UM, CAN WE ADDRESS THE QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY IS IN THE CITY PROPER OR THE ETJ? CAN WE DISCUSS HOW THAT WORKS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M WRONG, BUT LAST, UH, MEDIUM, THE ANNEXATION THAT WAS APPROVED ON THIS, THEY APPROVED THE RESOLUTION THAT SET THE SCHEDULE.

SO THEY GO TOGETHER.

SO, SO, SO W WE'RE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY IN THE CITY PROPER, CORRECT? IT WILL BE ANNEXED ON THE SAME DATE OF THE SECOND.

UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SITTING WITH SFR.

WOULDN'T BE, AS IT IS BY, RIGHT.

CORRECT.

INTERIM ZONING.

SO ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS TO GO FROM SFR ONE B TO, TO BE CORRECT WITH NO OTHER CHANGES, SO, OKAY.

WHICH IS WHAT DOES THAT JUST ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASICALLY SHEDS AND OUTBUILDINGS AND, OKAY, PERFECT.

THAT'S THAT'S MR. ROSS.

COMMISSIONER ELANTRA.

A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THE ROADS.

UM, THEY SAY THAT, SO IT'S RECENT, JUST ANNEX.

THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE PRIVATE MAINTENANCE ON THE ROADS.

WHAT WILL BE THE ROAD SITUATION AS IT REGARDS? UM, THE SUBDIVISION COMING IN WELL, COUNTY ROAD TWO 90 IS PART OF IT'S IDENTIFIED ON THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS A SUBSTANDARD COLLECTOR.

SO THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF, UM, ADEQUACY FEES ASSOCIATED WITH MORE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROCESS AND FURTHER DOWN THE LINE THAT WOULDN'T BE LOOKED AT FOR SURE.

TO, UH, TO UPDATE THAT, THAT ROAD, UH, THAT'S RELATIVE TO THEIR PROJECT.

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WHAT'S YOUR, YEAH.

SO I, I WANT TO JUST ECHO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE SAID, WHICH IS THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED RIGHT.

THIS MOMENT, EVEN, EVEN IF THEY HAD NEVER ATTEMPTED TO ANNEX THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD IN THE COUNTY, THAT'S ALLOWED, THEY GO TO THE COUNTY FOR SEPTIC AND WELLS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

THEY GET APPROVED, THEY CAN BUILD.

SO WE, I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH THAT UPFRONT.

NOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, THEY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO 10, ONE ACRE LOTS.

WHEN, IF IT IS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, WHICH IT WILL BE WHEN IT GETS FINISHED, WHEN THE ANNEXATION COMPLETES, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD UNDER WHATEVER ZONING IS ASSIGNED TO IT.

BY DEFAULT, WE ASSIGN IT SFR ONE B, WHICH IS IN SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING HERE.

UM, AND THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY ABLE TO DO IT.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT DISCRETION.

IT'S JUST ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY SIMPLY HAS WRITTEN INTO THE CODES AND ORDINANCES TO ALLOW.

NOW I DO THINK THAT, UM, I DO THINK THAT JUST TO GIVE SOME CLARITY ON THE ROAD THING TO 79, THIS IS THE BACK ENTRANCE TO BASICALLY CRYSTAL FALLS, GRAND MESA.

ISN'T THAT? WHAT'S THAT 2 90, 2 92 90.

I'M SO SORRY.

UM, SO, UH, AS WAS POINTED OUT, UM, THIS ROAD IS IDENTIFIED AS ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.

THIS DEVELOPER WILL NOT BE, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT WILL NOT BE INDEPENDENTLY IMPROVING THE ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT WHAT THEY ARE FORCED TO DO IS PAY A PORTION OF THE TOTAL ROAD AS IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED THEIR PORTION OF IT EFFECTIVELY, THEIR LINEAR FEED AND THEIR HALF OF IT.

SO THAT GETS PUT INTO A POT SO THAT WHEN WE'RE READY TO UPGRADE THE ROAD, WE CAN DO THAT AS FOR ACCESS MRS. GRIFFIN OR MR. HUNT.

IF YOU CAN CLARIFY, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE ALL OF THEIR ACCESS ONTO THE COUNTY ROAD WITH NIGHT, OR IS THAT INCORRECT? SO I BELIEVE IT WOULD COME FROM TWO 90.

THE OTHER ROADS ARE PRIVATE, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO USE THEM RIGHT.

GET APPROVAL FROM THE LANDOWNER.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED, LIKE AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT STAGE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE CITY WATER.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

THERE'S A WATER LINE THAT THEY COULD CONNECT TO.

AND THEN THEY WOULD DO SEPTIC SYSTEMS FROM THE COUNTY.

THEY WOULD GET APPROVAL FROM THAT FROM WILLIAMS. THIS IS WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

OH, THIS IS IN TRAVIS.

SO THEY'D GO TALK TO TRAVIS COUNTY TO GET APPROVAL FOR THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, AS, AS, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER MAY, AND AS STATED, I THINK WE'RE ALL MOVING TO DELAY THIS, BUT FOR CLARITY SAKE, UH THERE'S THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE LOWEST INCREMENT OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ALLOWED INSIDE THE CITY.

AND SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NO LOWER THING THAT WE CAN REQUEST TO GIVE THEM.

THAT'S A FAIR POINT IN HISTORY ON THIS.

IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.

IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

SURE.

MY NAME IS BILL WARD.

I LIVE AT 9 1 2 DREAM CATCHER.

UM, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, UM, UM, REPRESENTED IN THE HYMAN FAMILY TO SELL THE CLOT 40, WHICH IS JUST, I GUESS, THAT'S SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY AND WE'D DEVELOPED, UH, SIX, SEVEN LOTS IN THERE AND THEY'RE ALL ONE ACRE PLUS LOTS.

IT IT'S GOT A SINGLE ROAD THAT COMES IN.

THE WATER COMES FROM THE WATER LINE RIGHT HERE AT THE GATE OF, UM, I HADN'T, I MEAN, KRISTA MESA, CRYSTAL MESA, AND, UM, UH, GRAND MESA.

SO THE WATER COMES FROM THIS CORNER DOWN HERE TO CRYSTAL MESA COMES INTO THE ROAD TO THE LIGHT.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE THE WATER LINE INTO THE CENTER LINE HERE THAT YOU SEE.

I CAN'T.

NINE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, JUST LIKE THIS.

SO WHAT, HOW DID I GET THE LITTLE ARROW THING AT THE TOP OF THE TOP BUTTON SPOTLIGHT? OKAY.

SEE THIS LINE RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S THREE LOTS HERE THAT COMPRISE THE 10 ACRES.

THIS LINE RIGHT HERE IS BASICALLY WHERE THE ROAD'S GOING TO COME IN.

IT'LL BE A CUL-DE-SAC JUST LIKE THIS ROAD CAME IN AND BE A CUL-DE-SAC.

IT'LL BE THIS IT'S CRYSTAL MESA TOO.

CRYSTAL MESA IS ALREADY DEVELOPED JUST ABOUT ALL THE HOUSES ARE SOLD.

IT'S DEVELOPED INTO LARGE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, IT'S GATED.

IT'S GOT, UH, A NICE ROCK WALL.

IT'S LANDSCAPED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE SAME ROCK WALL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CORNER AND TURN THE CORNER TO WHEREVER COUNTY ROAD, TWO 90, I MEAN, ENDS.

AND THEN, UM, BUILD A GATE RIGHT HERE AND BRING THE ROAD IN AND HAVE NINE LOTS, NOT 10.

AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE

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IF YOU GO INTO THIS SUBDIVISION, IT'S THE SAME BUILDER AND THE SAME STYLE HOMES WILL BE GOING IN HERE.

SO I REPRESENTED THE HYMAN FAMILY ON, ON THIS ONE AND THIS ONE, AND NOW I'M WORKING FOR THE BUILDER TO GET THIS APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY.

THE SAME, UH, RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE WILL BE UP ON THIS LIFE.

AND ALL THESE HOUSES WILL BE THE SAME CRITERIA.

IS THIS SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID ON CRYSTAL MESA THREE YEARS AGO, UH, IT WILL BE CRYSTAL MESA TO HERE, SAME, SAME DEVELOPER, SAME EVERYTHING.

AND THE WATER COMES FROM HERE ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE INTO THE ROAD.

AND THEY'LL BE FIRE HYDRANTS JUST LIKE THERE IS HERE.

THERE'LL BE A GATE RIGHT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GATES GOING TO BE CLOSED ALL THE TIME, OR IS IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S CLOSED.

SO THAT'LL BE A PRIVATE GATED SUBDIVISION, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO AFFECT THIS, THESE PRIVATE ROADS AT ALL IN THE BACK OTHER THAN PUT FENCES UP FOR THE HOMES.

SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NO TRAFFICS IS GOING TO COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE PRIVATE ROADS.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THAT WAS DEFINITELY A FORMER, ONE OF THE REASONS WE STARTED THE OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS MOST OF THE TIME WHEN A DEVELOPER PUTS SOMETHING IN FRONT OF OUR COMMISSION AND FROM IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT IDEAS.

THE DEVELOPER GENERALLY WANTS TO PUT FORTH A GOOD PLAN.

UM, BUT WE HAVE ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT, UH, SEE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THESE NOTIFICATIONS AND THESE PRE MEETINGS IS SO THAT YOU SIT DOWN WITH EACH OTHER AND YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS.

AND 99% OF THE TIME WE FIND THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE OF ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO HEAR WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS.

AND EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH IT.

UM, I KNOW THE SECOND THING IS A LOT OF TIMES THERE CAN BE A SIMPLE SUGGESTION OF MOVING A BUILDING 50 FEET, OR, UH, INSTEAD OF A, UM, WAS IT WROUGHT IRON FENCE? YOU GO WITH A MASONRY WALL, VERY SIMPLE LITTLE CHANGES, BUT IT, UH, PUTS A LOT OF PEOPLE AT EASE.

AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE MENTIONED THAT PRIVATE ROAD AND IS ON MY NOTES HERE ABOUT THE SEPTIC AND THE SEWER AND ALL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED EASILY.

AND THIS IS WHY WE'VE PUT THE NOTIFICATION WHY WE WANT THAT 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION, WHETHER WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS, MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY.

UH, SECOND, I'M SORRY.

IT WAS THE MOTION TO DENY.

OH, DELAY.

I'M SO SORRY.

YES, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER.

COSGRAVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

MEHAN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

THAT'S AS UNANIMOUSLY FOR THE APPLICANT.

IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DON'T MIND ME SAYING, SO NEXT TIME IT WON'T BE A VOTE FOR DELAY DELAY.

IT WILL BE A VOTE FOR DENY.

IF THERE ISN'T A CLEAR CONNECTION AND WITH EACH OF THE RESIDENTS, SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.

18, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 Z 0 34 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM S F S TWO DASH B SINGLE FAMILY, SUBURBAN TWO G C THREE C GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 1.37, SIX ACRES IN SIZE AND ADDRESS AS 1 0 9, 9 6 EAST CRYSTAL FALLS, PARKWAY LEANDER, TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, MICHAEL CHAPSKY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM.

NUMBER

[18. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-034 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban) to GC-3-C (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 1.376 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031219; and addressed as 10996 E Crystal Falls Pkwy, Leander, Travis County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-034 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

AND SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION AT THE SITE.

SO THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF, UH, RONALD REAGAN AND EAST CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY.

THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT SITE FEATURES TO NOTE THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF LEANDER IN 2005.

UH, THE PROPERTY DOES INCLUDE ACCESS ON TORONTO RAYGUN, WHICH WILL BE EVALUATED FOR ROADWAY, ADEQUACY FEES, BOUNDARY STREET IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TURN LANES, DIESEL LANES, ACCELERATION LANES IF NEEDED, UH, WITH THE SUBSEQUENT APPLICATIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE ACCESS TO WATER UTILITIES, BUT WASTEWATER UTILITIES WILL NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO THE SITE.

UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH FORM THAT WAS CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 20TH, STATING THAT MOST RESIDENTS WERE IN SUPPORTIVE

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THE ZONE CHANGE WITH ONE RESIDENT OR PROPERTY OWNER, GENERALLY NOT BEING IN SUPPORT WITH, UH, THE GROWTH IN LANDER.

AND THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR CHANGES TO THE ZONING REQUESTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

THE NAME IS THE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS INTENDED FOR AREAS THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED MOSTLY AS NON-RESIDENTIAL USES APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICE AND RESTAURANT USES AT HIGHWAY INTERSECTION INTERSECTIONS, SUCH AS RONALD REAGAN, HOTELS, GROCERY STORES, AND SIMILAR REGIONAL USES ARE APPROPRIATE.

THIS PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE INTER INTERCORE OF THE ILLUSTRATIVE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, WHICH IS A PRIORITY NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

THIS IS INTENDED TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND ALLOW FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL USE COMPONENTS AT MAJOR STREET LOCATIONS.

UH, WITH PROPER SITE DESIGN, THE ENTIRE CENTER IS ENCOURAGED TO BE EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL USES, AND THERE'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S RICK HATCH I'M WITH ODYSSEY SERVICES GROUP AND WE REPRESENT THE BUYER OF THE TRACT REFUEL OPERATING.

UM, REFUEL IS A CONVENIENCE STORE OPERATOR OUT OF, UH, MOUNT PLEASANT, SOUTH CAROLINA.

WE HAVE ABOUT 175, UM, CONVENIENCE STORES.

THEY RECENTLY COMPLETED THE PURCHASE OF THE WAG BAG, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE CHANGE, UM, AND THAT CHAIN IS BEING REBRANDED TO REFUEL.

IN ADDITION, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, DOING GROUND UP CONVENIENCE STORES IN THE CENTRAL TEXAS AREA.

SO THAT'S A RENDERING OF A TYPICAL REFUEL CONVENIENCE STORE AND FUELING, UH, THE, THE SITE RIGHT NOW, TYPICALLY REFUEL LIKES TO HAVE A CAR WASH AT THE LOCATION, BUT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS, UM, DOESN'T APPEAR THAT A CAR WASH IS GOING TO BE VIABLE AT THE LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE, UM, DETENTION REQUIREMENTS, UM, EACH STORE EMPLOYEES ABOUT 16, UM, ABOUT 18 TO 20 EMPLOYEES.

UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE WE COULD, UH, CALL YOU BACK UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, AS TO THE, UH, AS TO THE SEWER EXTENSION, IT'S ABOUT 800 FEET, UH, DOWN CRYSTAL FALLS.

AND, UH, SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY EXAMINING THAT COST AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, AND THEN WORKING WITH STAFF AS TO ANY REQUIREMENTS ABOUT AESTHETICS AND, AND, UM, BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.

JUST FOR ANYONE OUT THERE, THIS IS THE DETAIL THAT THE APPLICANT WENT THROUGH AND VERY HIGHLY DETAILED OUTREACH, UM, TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WAITED FIVE MINUTES.

AT THIS POINT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF NOT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER.

MR. CZARNOWSKI I, I APOLOGIZE.

I HAVE A FEELING YOU'VE COVERED THIS, BUT IS THE TYPE C ARCHITECTURE STANDARD FOR THIS ONE OUTSIDE THE NORM FOR WHAT WE WOULD SEE HERE? OR IS THAT THE EXPECTED ARCHITECTURE COMPONENT? UH, NO, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE EXPECTED AND LET ME DOUBLE CHECK.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DID COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, SO THAT'S GOOD.

I GUESS WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.

UM, YEAH, IT'S COMMERCIAL.

I JUST WANT TO RUN SOMETHING BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, UH, UH, RENDERING.

I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I REALLY FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GET RENDERINGS ON STRAIGHT ZONING CASES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS HASN'T BEEN ASSESSED BY STAFF OR WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE STANDARDS.

UH, AND I FEEL LIKE IT CAN SOMETIMES BE A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WON'T BUILD IT JUST LIKE THIS, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT LIKE THIS.

THEY ONLY HAVE TO BUILD IT TO WHAT THE STANDARD SAYS.

AND I SOMETIMES THINK IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION IF NOT TO US THAN TO THE AUDIENCE, THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF GUARANTEE THAT A ZONING CASE LIKE THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS EXACT DEVELOPMENT.

IN FACT, NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BUILD, UH, YOU KNOW, A GAS STATION HERE.

THIS IS ZONING IS JUST A USE BASED ZONING, SO YOU CAN GET OTHER THINGS IN.

SO JUST A THOUGHT, BUT I HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THIS.

NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER MAS, MR. COLLINS GROWTH.

I THINK THAT THE ZONING CHANGES FINE.

MR. MAHAN NOW, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE LAST TWO CASES, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT AND

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THEY NO ONE, NO ONE REPLIED, WE LEFT OUR INFORMATION.

SO THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE SATISFIED THAT REQUIREMENT OF REACHING OUT TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS.

EITHER MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THEN SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HEINZ SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ELANTRA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, MOVING

[19. Discuss and consider action on Subdivision Case 21-PP-004 regarding Cedar Brook Preliminary Plat on one parcel of land approximately 26.227 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032160; generally located east of Lakeline Blvd. and north of Stinnett Dr., Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Discussion Consider Action]

ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, DISCUSS CONSIDER ACTION ON SUBDIVISION CASE 21.

REGARDING CEDAR, CEDAR BROOK PRELIMINARY FLAT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 26.2 TO SEVEN ACRES, MORE OR LESS THAN SIZE, AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE EAST OF LAKELINE BOULEVARD AND NORTH OF STINNETT DRIVE LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

MICHAEL PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS REQUEST IS THE SECOND STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.

UH, THIS PRELIMINARY PLAN INCLUDES 113.

SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS FOR HOA DRAINAGE, LOTS, TWO HOA LANDSCAPE, LOTS, AND ONE HOA PARKLAND LOT.

UH, THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE REMOVAL OF A 28 INCH HERITAGE TREE WITHIN THE DETENTION POND LOCATED UP HERE ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THIS PRELIMINARY PLAN INCLUDES 109 INCHES OF PRESERVED HERITAGE TREES AND 2067 INCHES OF PRESERVED SIGNIFICANT TREES.

THE HERITAGE TREE REMOVAL FEE IS $8,400 OR $300 PER CALIPER INCH REMOVED.

AND THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO PAYING A FEE IN LIEU OF MITIGATION FOR THE HERITAGE TREES AT $12,600, WHICH IS $150 PER MITIGATION INCH, UH, AT THREE TO ONE FOR THE HERITAGE TREE.

AND THAT'S ALL FOR MY PRESENTATION.

I THINK WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION REALLY STRIPEY WITH 7,600 NORTH CAPITAL, TEXAS HIGHWAY.

WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION, BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, LET'S START WITH DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER, MAN.

UM, SO, AND, AND THIS WILL BE FOR, FOR YOU, SIR.

WAS THERE ANY, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO MOVE THE DETENTION BOND? I MEAN, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT OR DO THEY HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MOVE IT IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THAT LAST HERITAGE TREE? TYPICALLY THE POND IS PLACED DUE TO THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND AND THAT'S THE NATURAL, AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, SO, SO THAT PRETTY MUCH HAS TO BE THERE AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

SO THERE'S ALMOST NO MITIGATION POSSIBLE FOR THAT ONE.

NUMBER 20 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CASE 21, CPA 0 0 7.

I'M GOOD.

THANKS MR. COSBY WORLD, YOU I'LL JUST CONTINUE TO BEAT MY DRUM ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE, WE DON'T REALLY PRESERVE HARRY'S TREES WHEN WE STICK THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF LOTS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I, I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT FOR CONSIDERATION IS, IS MAYBE WE CAN GET, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW MANY INCHES ARE PRESERVED, HOW MANY SEEDS ARE PRESERVED THAT ARE WITHIN BUILDING LOTS AND HOW MANY INCHES ARE PRESERVED OUTSIDE OF BUILDING WALLS.

UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE GET A REAL SENSE OF, OF WHAT'S PRESERVED IN THE END.

UM, I KNOW STAFF HAS A LOT TO LOOK AT, BUT MAYBE IF THAT, IF THAT'S FEASIBLE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MR. MAS.

UM, NOW I'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GROVE, BUT COMMISSIONER ELANTRA, NO QUESTION COMMISSIONER HAS.

UM, YES.

I THINK THAT, UH, TO COMMISSIONER MAY HANDS POINT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE DO, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM ENGINEERING, DO WE? YES.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THIS.

I'M SURE THAT YOU DIDN'T COME PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THIS.

BUT THE THING ABOUT, UH, THE THING ABOUT DRAINAGE ON A PLACE IS THAT I WOULD THINK THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ARE PROBABLY THE MOST EXPERT PEOPLE ON DRAINAGE WHO ARE SORT OF BEHOLDEN TO THE CITY.

I WONDER IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY HERITAGE TREES TO THE EAST OF THIS, THAT IF IT COULD MOVE OVER FIVE LOTS AND YOU COULD GET BACK A COUPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAVE THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS

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SITE.

I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO JUDGE WHAT THE TOPOGRAPHY IS NOW.

THERE'S ALWAYS MULTIPLE ANSWERS TO ANY PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH PRINTING.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANT TO SPEND TO DO IT? YEAH.

AND SO A DETENTION POND COULD BE AT THAT LOCATION.

IT COULD BE SEVERAL LOTS OVER AND STILL BE VERY FUNCTIONAL.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY WANT TO DESIGN IT, HOW MUCH THEY WANT TO SPEND ON.

RIGHT? SO PRESUMABLY IN A CASE LIKE THIS, YOU ASSESS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO TEAR DOWN THAT TREE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO MOVE THAT DETENTION POND AND ANYONE WITH, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS SENSE IS GOING TO AIM FOR THE CHEAPER OF THE TWO, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT.

UM, ALSO JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE ABOUT HIS POINT.

WE'VE BROUGHT THIS UP A NUMBER OF TIMES, I WILL SAY, UM, IT LOOKS TO ME AS THOUGH, UM, TWO OF THEM ARE NEAR THE SPLIT LINE BETWEEN TWO PROPERTIES.

THAT'S USUALLY, I THINK WE'VE ALL TEND TO ESTABLISH A PRETTY GOOD SIGN.

THE ONES OFF TO THE EAST SIDE ON THAT SINGLE BLOCK, THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S RIGHT AGAINST THE ROAD.

THEY'VE HAVE MADE A NICE LARGE LOT FOR THAT ONE, WHICH I THINK IS QUITE GOOD.

IT IS REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD THOUGH.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT ONE, THAT ONE MAKES IT THROUGH.

BUT, UM, YEAH, IT MIGHT BE KIND OF NICE TO GET SOMETHING TO COMMISSIONER COST GROVES POINT THAT'S LIKE SOME DELTA, LIKE HOW FAR IT IS FROM A LOT LINE, BECAUSE THE CLOSER IT IS TO A LOT LINE, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN DOWN WHEN THEY GET TO BUILDING PAD DECISION TIME.

AND MRS. GRIFFIN, JUST REMIND ME ONE MORE TIME IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A HERITAGE TREE, BUT IT IS IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY WANT TO PUT DOWN.

DOES IT STILL COME HERE FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW? NO.

NO.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE.

IF EVER THERE WAS ONE IT'S BASICALLY THAT THEY GO, OH, WELL THE HOUSE HAS TO GO HERE.

WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.

AND THEN THEY CAN JUST TAKE THE HERITAGE TREE DOWN AND DO THEY PAY TO MITIGATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOTHING.

SO THAT'S WHY COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE AND I HAVE PUSHED ON THIS FOR SO, SO LONG, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN GET A PLACE IN A, IN A SPOT THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT A HOUSE, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S SAVED.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR PLAN, THEY DID DO A GOOD JOB OF SHOWING WHAT BUILDING ENVELOPES.

I THINK IT, IN, IN, IN THIS CASE, THEY, IT'S PROBABLY UNFAIR OF ME TO BRING UP THE POINT WITH, WITH THIS CASE, BUT BECAUSE THE TREE WHERE WE'RE TALKING HERITAGE TREES, I THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO, TO BRING IT UP.

BUT I THINK THAT THAT JUST AFTON HAS DONE A BETTER JOB THAN, THAN MOST IN TERMS OF GETTING THEM IN PLACES WHERE THEY MAY, AND WE SAVED THAT 29 69.

THAT ONE IS TO ME A LITTLE BIT DICEY IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CURB LINE, BUT WELL MAYBE, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH WOULD BE OKAY IF THEY WENT AROUND IT, BUT, UH, ANYHOW, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS.

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

UM, I'LL MOTION TO RECOMMEND, TO APPROVE SET.

IT WAS MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER HEINZ SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY GENDER ITEM,

[20. Discuss and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Amendment Case 21-CPA-007 to amend the Transportation Master Plan to allow an alternate alignment of CR 280 and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-010 to adopt the Hilltop Ranch Concept Plan on one parcel of land approximately 105.064 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R560473; generally located southeast of CR 280 and Council Springs Pass, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Amendment Case 21-CPA-007 as described above. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-010 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Discussion Consider Action]

TO AMEND THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN TO ALLOW AN ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CPA 0 1 0 TO ADOPT THE HILLTOP RANCH CONCEPT PLAN ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 105.06, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS THAN SIZE, AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 AND COUNCIL SPRINGS PAST THE COUNTY, TEXAS COMMISSIONERS, MICHAEL CHANEL CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UH, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THIS SUBDIVISION PROCESS.

B COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE CONCEPT PLAN BEING APPROVED.

IF AN AMENDMENT IS NOT APPROVED, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO UPDATE THE CONCEPT PLAN TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES 84 SINGLE FAMILY WATTS.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDES RELOCATING COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 RIGHT AWAY ALIGNMENT, UH, TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS WILL CHANGE.

THIS CHANGE WILL MOVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO A LOCATION THAT DOES NOT DIVIDE DEVELOPMENT AND PLACES THE ROAD ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2021 AND POST POST POSTPONED ACTION UNTIL TONIGHT, NOVEMBER 9TH, 2021.

THE COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT STAFF CONSULT WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE ALIGNMENT OF COUNTY ROAD.

TWO 80 STAFF AGREES THAT THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENT IS APPROPRIATE CONSIDERING THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINES EXISTING RIGHT AWAY, ALIGNMENTS AND THE PROPOSED LAND USES IN THE AREA.

IN ADDITION, OUR TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING EXERCISES CONFIRMED THE NEED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY IN THIS AREA AS PER TRAFFIC VOLUMES.

UH, THERE WAS NOT A SPECIFIC COUNT FOR COUNTY ROAD TWO 80, BUT THE MODEL, UH, VOLUMES ARE AS FOLLOWS, UH, FOR EXISTING BUILDUP.

AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE SHOWN ON THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM

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20 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, OR CITY MANAGER OR CITY ENGINEER.

SO MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER HINES.

SO, UM, JUST THE CR TWO 80 ALIGNMENT THAT THIS SHOWS HERE THAT IS NEARLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE WERE SAYING AS A REQUEST LAST TIME.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

WHAT'S NEW IS THAT WE'VE NOW GOT THIS, WE'VE GOT LIVE OAK ROAD EXTENDING OUT AND THEN ROUND MOUNTAIN RUNNING INTO IT OR WAS THAT PREVIOUSLY THERE AS WELL? SO WE UPDATED THE MAP TO ZOOM OUT AND TO LABEL ALL THE BIRD NAMES AND LABEL THEIR PROPOSAL VERSUS WHAT IS CURRENT? THE NEW INFORMATION IS THE DATA FROM OUR CONSULTANT ABOUT WHY THE ROADS NECESSARY AND TRAFFIC COUNTS.

THE IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON ROADWAY, ADEQUACY FEES AND HOW THAT SORT OF THING DEVELOPS THAT IS PROBLEMATIC.

NOW I, OKAY.

LET ME TRY AND PULL UP.

OH, I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I'VE FORGOTTEN.

NOT A PROBLEM.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

UM, IS VIRGINIA'S GROGAN'S SCOGGINS.

I APOLOGIZE.

IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS, I APOLOGIZE.

TALK TO YOU AND NOBODY WOULD TALK TO ME CAUSE GABBY STAY BACK THERE.

UM, VIRGINIA SCOGGINS, 1 24 MESA VISTA DRIVE LEANDER, UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO ARE NEW TO THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION.

UM, KEY WORD THAT I NOTICED DURING ALL THE SWEARING IN THAT I THOUGHT WAS STRANGE THAT I DIDN'T HEAR COMMUNITY.

UM, CLEARLY IT'S ALL ABOUT LEANDER AND THE COMMUNITIES IN LEANDER.

UH, I AM OFF OF, NOT OFF OF, UM, AT THE BACK END IN THE MESA VISTA SUBDIVISION.

I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THIS.

I REMEMBER THE GENTLEMEN LAST TIME ALSO MADE A POINT THAT HE DIDN'T GET ALL THE DASHES AND DOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, I AM ONLY ASKING WHILE WE TOO, LIKE THE OTHER FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT GROWTH HAS COMING.

I JUST ASK YOU FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT.

UM, AND BY COMMUNITY, I MEAN, WE ARE JUST A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE BACK THERE.

UM, IN REGARDS TO COUNTY ROAD TWO 80, THAT YOU REALLY TRUTHFULLY CONSIDER WHILE THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, 150 OR HOWEVER MANY HOMES THAT SOME OF US IN THE BACK HAVE BEEN THERE 15, 16, 18 YEARS.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE MOVED THERE, WE UNDERSTOOD CHANGE WAS COMING AND WE GET THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT COUNTY ROAD TWO 80, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE WIGGLES AND TURNS AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, THAT ALL THERE ARE A LOT OF US BACK THERE HAVE TRAILERS AND HORSES AND TWO AND TWO TO MAKE THOSE TURNS THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY AND THAT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE ON LAKE LINE AND NOW WE'RE CUTTING BACK.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT.

I DON'T.

UM, BUT I AM ASKING IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TAKE DEEP CONSIDERATION FOR THAT BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, 15, 16, 18 YEARS AGO, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU BE COMPLETELY THOUGHTFUL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU DECIDE TO DESIGN IT AGAIN.

I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE DASHES.

I KNOW ONE OF THEM IS NOW AND ONE OF THEM IS PROPOSED.

UM, AND REALLY THAT'S JUST IT.

AND I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO BACK TO YOUR COMMISSIONER, HANDS FOLDERS, NOT AT ALL, NOT AT ALL.

I'M GLAD YOU GLAD YOU CUT IN.

UM, WELL, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE, I'LL MAKE TWO POINTS BASICALLY.

UM, I APPRECIATE THAT WE GOT IN TOUCH WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.

I APPRECIATE THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS ROAD NEEDS TO BE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THE PRACTICALITY OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BUY UP ALL THE LAND TO ACTUALLY CONNECT THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE.

WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT HERE IS SHOULD THE ROAD STILL BE GOING THERE? AND I DO HAVE TO, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I HAVE TO LEAN ON THE KNOWLEDGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE EXPERT AT THIS SORT OF THING.

SO IF WE'VE GONE BACK TO THE, THE, THE, UM, UH, ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND THEY SAY THE ROADS NEED TO BE HERE.

EVENTUALLY I WILL TRUST THEM.

IF THEY ALSO SAY THAT THIS LITTLE JOG IN CR TWO 80 IS ACCEPTABLE FOR, UH, THE TRAFFIC, I WILL ACCEPT THAT, UH, WHAT I DO STRUGGLE WITH.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THIS IS OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT I THINK THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE, HAVE FAILED THIS KIND OF, UM, I THINK IT'S A RESULT OF THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE, THAT YOU GET INTO THIS SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN OUT HERE FOR A WHILE ON A LITTLE ROAD.

THAT'S FINE WHEN YOU'VE GOT 20 PEOPLE TRAVERSING IT IN THE COURSE OF THE DAY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FINE WHEN THE INEVITABLE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES OUT.

AND THE WAY THAT WE SORT OF STAGE, UM,

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WE GROW INCREMENTALLY.

SOMEBODY BUYS UP A PIECE OF LAND WHEREVER THEY WANT SOMETIMES WAY OUT PAST SERVICES, WAY OUT, PAST A REASONABLE ROAD.

AND THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IS TO FIX THE ENTIRE ROAD BETWEEN WHERE IT'S GOOD AND WHERE THEY ARE.

AND THAT'S NOT A REALLY SMART WAY TO DEVELOP, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT I GET TO DICTATE HERE.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS.

I'M GOING TO TRUST ENGINEERING ON THIS IN REGARDS TO THE REALIGNMENT OF CR TWO 80, ESPECIALLY THE PART THAT JOGS AROUND GREATWOOD.

UM, AND I AM GOING TO HOPE THAT THE STAFF AND THE COUNCIL ARE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE ROAD IMPROVED SO THAT THE EXISTING COMMUNITY AND THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY ARE NOT HINDERED BY A ROAD THAT IS NOT PREPARED, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT MANY PEOPLE TO TRAVEL.

IT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE CONDITIONAL AND TRIP.

IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT FOUR ADDITIONAL HOMEOWNERS WILL BE, OR PROPERTIES WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED C R TWO 80.

AM I, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CUTTING THROUGH FOUR PARCELS THERE.

YES, IT'S MOVING.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLACK LINE, THAT'S ALSO CUTTING THROUGH QUITE A FEW PARCELS.

IT'S JUST CHANGING MUCH PARCEL.

I THINK COMMISSIONER LANTRIP DID A COUNT ON HOW MANY, THE BLACK LINE TOUCHES AND HOW MANY OF THE YELLOW LINES.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, IF THEY MOVE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE CURRENT ROAD HAS BEEN THERE FOR IN ITS PRESENT STATE FOR SOME TIME.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE BUILT UP AROUND.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, SO THE, THE DASH LINES ARE TALKING ABOUT ROTATION PLAN ROAD.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE DASHED LINES.

SO TWO 80, THE CURRENT ROAD IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING ACCESS FROM, IS THE YELLOW DASH LINE.

SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO KEEP TWO 80 AT THAT LOCATION AND UPGRADE THAT AND TREAT IT AS THE COLLECTOR ROADWAY.

SO I'M ASKING IS HOW MANY ADDITIONAL, UH, PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THE CHANGE BY THE NEW ZEALAND? IT'S FEWER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLACK LINE, IT GOES TO THE CENTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THEY REDEVELOPED.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND BUILD A ROAD ACROSS IT.

THIS IS A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

MR. MOSS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.

NO MORE QUESTIONS.

UM, I TOO HAVE TO DEFER TO PEOPLE WHO DO THIS FOR A LIVING.

I LOOK AT THE MAP AND I, I, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE.

WE CAN'T FIGURE A WAY TO GET IT SOUTH OF GREATWOOD TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE UP NORTH.

BUT, UM, I WILL DEFER TO THE ENGINEERS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, MR. MAN, NOTHING FOR ME, ONE COMMENT I HAVE ON THIS IS SOME CITIES THAT NEED GAME.

YOU CAN DRAW STRAIGHT LINES AND MAKE PERFECT BLOCKS AND EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN YOU CAN EASILY UPGRADE AND NOBODY LOSES THEIR HOME.

UM, LEANDER GOING BACK 20 YEARS AGO, WAY BEFORE I WAS HERE.

UM, AND I HOPE I DON'T OFFEND ANYBODY WITH THIS, BUT, UH, EVEN, EVEN IN 2016, WHEN I MOVED HERE, PEOPLE KIND OF LAUGHED AT ME AND SAYS, YOU'RE MOVING OUT TO A COW TOWN.

UM, THEY SAW THE ANDREWS, THIS SMALL LITTLE CITY THAT, UH, WAS LITERALLY CAL PASTURES.

AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE IN 2016, THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM AND THEY'RE DISAPPEARING REALLY QUICKLY.

AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO PLAN THESE ROADS TO FIT.

WHEN DID YESTERDAY, THEY SERVICED SOME LONGHORN CATTLE, AND NEXT YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO BE 120 UNITS OF HOUSES.

AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THEM FIT? UM, DOES THE CITY ENGINEERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS HOW MANY CARS ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE? AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT LINE ESTABLISHED.

NOW THE, THE YELLOW DOTTED LINE, THE NORTHERN ROUTE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.

AND DID IT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT DOES NEED TO GO THROUGH BETWEEN, I BELIEVE THAT'S LAKELINE AND NAMELESS ROADS.

YES MA'AM.

THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT AS SHOWN BY OUR CONSULTANT WAS BASICALLY CONNECTING THE END OF 2 82, WHERE IT'S PROJECTED TO TIE INTO THE NAMELESS

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ROAD.

AND THEN WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME IN AND SAID, WE'RE PUTTING THIS PROPERTY HERE AND THAT'S GOING RIGHT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY, THAT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT A GOOD LOCATION FOR THIS COLLECTOR ROADWAY.

AND THEY MADE THIS SUGGESTION AND WE LOOKED AT IT AND FELT IT WAS VALID ALONG THE NORTH EDGE WHERE THE YELLOW LINE GOES NOW IS THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SO WE'RE WOULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THAT ALREADY BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC ENTITY AND THEN CONNECTING IT DOWN, PROBABLY SOMEWHAT ALONG THAT ALIGNMENT.

WHEN WE'RE ABOUT CERTAIN, UH, WHERE I GREW UP UP IN THE PANHANDLE, EVERYTHING IS SQUARED OFF SECTIONS.

YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED IT.

IT WAS GREAT.

EXCEPT ANYTIME WE RAN INTO A RIVER OR SOMETHING THAT MESSED UP THE WHOLE PLANT, THAT'S WHAT LEE ANDREW'S LIKE HERE.

WE CANNOT PREDICT EXACTLY WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY LAND IN THE FUTURE OR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP.

WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.

IT MAY NOT BE IDEAL, BUT I THINK IT'S A DECENT ALIGNMENT AND IT'S BASKETBALL.

IT'S A SUITABLE FOR THIS APPLICATION, THE SHERIFF.

WHY, WHY ARE YOU UP THERE? WAS THERE ANY, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF, AND THIS IS COMMISSIONER CUSTOMER, BY THE WAY, WHO'S POINTED OUT, BUT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IF IT GOES ALONG HERE, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T BISECT ANY EXISTING PROPERTIES, PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE THERE.

NOW THAT WAS MENTIONED AS WELL.

THE ONE THING THOUGH, IS THAT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR THE BEST DISTRIBUTION FOR OUR TRAFFIC LOADS, THESE ROADS NEED TO BE APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE APART.

AND THAT PUTS IT VERY CLOSE TO THE NEXT ROAD TO THE SOUTH FARTHER NORTH STILL KEEPS IT GENERALLY CENTERED AND THAT'S BETTER FOR OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

SO THESE ARE TWO LANE ROADS, OR EITHER TWO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LIKE 180 3 A OR WHATEVER.

UH, YELLOW IS GOING TO BE A COLLECTOR STREET.

THAT SHOULD BE A TWO LANE ROAD WITH A SIDEBOARD PARKING AND A BICYCLE LANES.

AND SO THOSE ARE GENERALLY 30 MILES AN HOUR.

IT'D BE 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, NOT THE MAJOR, UH, TRYING TO READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS FROM, UH, THE PERSPECTIVE OF MY NEIGHBORS.

THEY, THEY SEE COLLECTOR AND THEY THINK 180 3 AND, UM, WHERE I KEEP TELLING THEM BRODY IS A COLLECTOR ROW.

UM, BUT TH THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM JUST ONE QUESTION IF I COULD, WHICH IS, UM, REALISTICALLY, IF THE ALIGNMENT GETS MOVED TO WHERE WE HAVE IT SUGGESTED BY STAFF AND THE, AND THE, I GUESS, THE CONSULTANT AS WELL, UM, AND LAKELAND WHERE TO DEVELOP NORTH SOUTH AS IT IS EVENTUALLY INTENDED TO DO.

THE, THE ONLY THING THAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THAT LOGICALLY THE SORT OF SOUTHERN THE EXISTING PART OF TWO 80, THAT, THAT CROSSES THE, THE FUTURE LINE OF LAKELINE.

AND THEN WE SHOW TWO 80 HEADING DUE NORTH ALONG THE EXISTING SUBSTANDARD ROAD.

AND THEN WE SHOW IT MAKING A FULL TURN GOING WEST ONTO THE EXISTING SUBSTANDARD ROAD.

I MEAN, W WITH A FULL REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS ROAD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN SOME SORT OF INTERSECTION AT THE CORNER OF, YOU KNOW, TO GET US FROM HEADING EAST WEST TO HEADING NORTH SOUTH HEADING EAST WEST.

THIS IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE A ZIGZAG ROAD IN ITS FINAL FORM.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT FAR IN THE FUTURE, BUT A ZIGZAG ROAD DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOREVER.

I UNDERSTAND.

I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE.

I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT A GOOD WAY TO MAKE IT WORK YET, BUT I CONTINUALLY REMINDED OF DRIVING FARM TO MARKET ROADS OUT IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY FOLLOW PROPERTY LINES.

YOU'LL BE DRIVING ALONG ALL OF A SUDDEN HAD A 25 MILE AN HOUR, TURN THAT 90 DEGREES AND GOES, YEAH, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF, IT'S NOT USUAL FOR CITIES, BUT PRESUMABLY IF, IF, AND WHEN LAKELINE DEVELOPS FULLY NORTH, THAT NORTH SOUTH SEGMENT OF WHAT SHOWS AS THE NOW YELLOW DASH FUTURE , THAT WILL IN EFFECT BECOME A PART OF NORTH SOUTH LAKELINE, WILL IT NOT? NO, SIR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HEDGING OR YOU'RE JUST REALLY LIKE GOOD AT THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT'S GOOD.

UM, NO, THAT MAKES GREAT SENSE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND TYPICALLY, MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING TWO 80 FROM THE EAST SIDE OF LEANDER TO THE WEST SIDE USING MORE OF THE, UH, EITHER HERE AWAY OR SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

UM, WHERE COUNTY ROAD TWO 80 IS GOING TO BE MORE, I'M GETTING OFF LAKELINE AND GOING INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOBODY WANTS TO PUT THEIR NAME ON IT.

SO THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

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NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

MOTION TO VOTE.

I'LL I'LL MAKE THE MOTION SECOND.

YEAH, NO, I'M SO SORRY.

I WAS READING SOMETHING ELSE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

LET'S SEE.

WE'RE ON 21.

WE'RE ON THE AGENDA ITEM.

NUMBER 21, ELLEN IS SAYING, DO WE NEED TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN AS WELL? YOU HAVE TO TAKE BOTH.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER 21, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING CONCEPT PLAN CASE 21 T O D C P 0 0 7, TO ADOPT THE LLC HERE, A AWAY CONCEPT PLAN ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 21.8, SIX ACRES, MORE OR LESS THAN SIZE, AND GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTIONS OF HERO WAY IN MAIN STREET, LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

SO CAN I MAKE A, I IT'S THE SAME ITEM, RIGHT.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN.

I'LL SECOND THAT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AGAIN, PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

APPRECIATE THAT

[21. Discuss and consider action regarding Concept Plan Case 21-TOD-CP-007 to adopt the LC Hero Way Concept Plan on two parcels of land approximately 21.86 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031600 & R457677; generally located to the northwest of the intersection of Hero Way and Main Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 21-TOD-CP-007 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Discussion Consider Action]

SO THIS IS THE HERO WAY CONCEPT PLAN.

YOU SAW THIS, UH, LAST P AND Z.

IT WAS TABLED UNTIL THIS ARE POSTPONED.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.

UM, SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS.

UM, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONSIDERATIONS TO REQUEST.

UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF WARRANTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.

UM, I SEEN HERE THAT KIND OF BLOWN UP.

SO THE WARRANT NUMBER ONE WAS HERE AWAY, MAXIMUM BUILDING SETBACK PER SMART CODE TABLE SEVEN E A WAS TO BE 12 FEET AT THE PRIMARY FRONTAGE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN INCREASE OF BUILDING SETBACK TO 80 FEET DUE TO THE SITES, TOPOGRAPHY AND LOCATION OF THE ATTENTION AND WATER QUALITY POND.

UH, THE JUSTIFICATIONS WERE ON THIS EXHIBIT AS PART OF ONE, UH, ONE THROUGH FOUR.

UH, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING PRIVATE STREETS, WHICH IS, UH, THE DISCUSSION FOR TONIGHT.

UM, AND THE PRIVATE STREETS WOULD CREATE, UH, OF PRIVATE STREET DEVELOPMENT.

UH, NOT GATED ASIDE FROM, UH, EAST STREET, WHICH IS A REQUIRED, UH, NORTH SOUTH COLLECTOR PER THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, WAS PROVIDING WAS, WAS TO BE PROVIDING PRIVATE DRIVES, DESIGNATED TO MEET THE CITY'S, UH, STREET STANDARDS AND SMART CODE STREET TYPES, WHICH YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT, PRIVATE STREETS WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROJECT OWNER AND WILL NOT BE GATED.

THERE'S A NOTE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT SAYS THE PROJECT WILL NOT BE GATED IN THE FUTURE.

UH, THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO REQUESTING, UH, LIMITED PARKING TO BE PLACED IN THE SECOND LAYER OF THE MIXED USE BLOCK, UH, AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET.

AND HERE AWAY BOTH YOUR AWAIT AND MAIN STREET HAVE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE AND EASEMENTS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THEY DO NOT ALLOW FOR ON STREET PARALLEL PARKING.

UM, THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO REQUESTING A WAIVER, UH, TO THE MINIMUM 80% FRONTAGE BUILD OUT FOR THE NORTH EAST BLOCK OF THE SITE.

THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.

UH, THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS BLOCK CONTAINS, UH, AN EXISTING TRAIL SYSTEM AND TRAIL EASEMENTS, WHICH PRECLUDES PLACEMENT OF STRUCTURES IN THAT BLOCK, ALL OTHER BLOCKS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT MEET OR EXCEED THE 80%, UH, BUILD OUT REQUIREMENT.

SO SINCE THE TIME OF OUR LAST, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, WHERE WE HEARD THIS PROJECT, UM, THE POSTPONED ACTION, UH, UNTIL TONIGHT'S MEETING THE COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT STAFF WORKS WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE THE NEED FOR THE PROPOSED PRIVATE STREETS.

THE PRIMARY CONCERN WAS THAT THE STREETS COULD BE CLOSED AND NOT PROVIDE ACCESS, WHICH DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE SMART CODE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CREATE AN UPDATE, UH, STREET THOROUGHFARE FOR THIS PROJECT.

THIS IS PERMITTED AS A WARRANT THROUGH THE SMART CODE.

SO IT WILL BE A WARRANT NUMBER TWO, UH, BELOW, UH, FIND THE PROPOSAL IN THE UPDATE STREET SECTIONS, WHICH ARE PART OF THE AGENDA BACKUP MATERIALS.

SO THERE WAS GOING TO BE, AND I THINK I DID SOME SLIDES, SO HERE'S ONE OF THEIR PROPOSALS THROUGH THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS THE SMART CODE, UH, STREET TYPE TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

IS THERE

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HYBRID TO THAT? UH, AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH THESE IF YOU WISH.

I KNOW THE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT WITH A, UH, A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, SO MAYBE THEY'LL CALL HER COVER IT MORE THOROUGHLY.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH PROVIDING PUBLIC STREETS.

AS LONG AS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.

THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO SUBMIT ONE SITE PLAN FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS, EVEN IF THEY ARE SEPARATED BY A PUBLIC STREET, UH, WHICH IS OUR TYPICAL PROCESS.

THE DEVELOPER, UH, MAY MAINTAIN THE STREETSCAPES, INCLUDING THE SIDEWALKS STREET, TREES, IRRIGATION, LANDSCAPING, AND BINGES.

THIS REMOVES THE BURDEN FROM THE CITY AND ALLOWS US TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN AN ELEVATED STREETSCAPE EXPERIENCE FOR ALL USERS.

UH, THIS WILL BE PERMITTED THROUGH A LICENSE AGREEMENT.

UTILITIES ARE ALLOWED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH PEC ON THIS ITEM AND OTHER PROJECTS IN THE, UH, TRANSPORT, TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT TOD, UH, THIS MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL COORDINATION, BUT AS AN OPTION ON THE TABLE AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT, UH, SHOULD THIS CONCEPT PLAN, UH, GO THROUGH TONIGHT, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION WILL NOT ADD TO THE SETBACK AREA OR REQUIRE THAT BUILDINGS ARE PUSHED BACK FROM THE STREET.

UM, THE CITY REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THE SMART CODE, AND THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS ASIDE FROM WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.

UH, SO AT THIS POINT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANTS THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JURA FELL.

I'M A TRAINER GROUP.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UH, LEAH BO JO PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED THIS TO YOU ALL AT THE OCTOBER 28TH.

UH, SHE HAD A PRIOR ENGAGEMENT AND IS UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING.

UM, SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OUR TEAM HERE, UM, OUR ENGINEER AND ARCHITECT, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS QUICK.

AS STAFF HAS COVERED A LOT OF WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.

I JUST WANT TO FILL IN THE NEW COMMISSIONERS ON OUR PROJECT.

WE'RE LOCATED HERE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF YOUR WAY AND MAIN STREET ZOOMING IN.

YOU CAN SEE THAT TO THE WEST.

WE'RE RIGHT THERE, UH, BUDDING THE RIGHT AWAY OF THE RAIL LINE.

OH, WE HAVE A HUB TO THE WEST LANDER STATION TO THE NORTH AND THE, UH, TRAIL THERE IN THE EASEMENT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, WHERE THE GREENBELT IS WAY TOO FAST.

HOW DO WE GET INTO THAT? OH, THANK YOU.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS FOR A COMMERCIAL STREET TYPE.

OUR ZONING IS A T SIX WITHIN THE, UM, THE TOD, UH, OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS LANDER CENTRAL AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THIS LAST TIME, BUT THIS STRIPED YELLOW LINE IN THE CENTER OF A PARCEL IS THE PROPOSED, UH, COORDINATOR CONNECTOR FOR THE NORTHEAST AVENUE.

THAT WILL BE DEDICATED AS A PART OF THIS, THE CONCEPT PLAN.

UM, OUR REQUEST IS TO, UH, APPROVE THIS CONCEPT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY CITY STAFF.

UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUR TOD ZONING WITH THE T SIX DESIGNATION.

UM, OUR PROPERTY IS UNPLANTED.

AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, AND WE ARE ALSO INCLUDING THAT PROPOSED CONNECTOR.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS MORE OR LESS 22 ACRES IN SIZE.

UH, WE COVERED THAT IT'S UNDEVELOPED, IT HAS ACCESS TO HERO WAY AND MAIN STREET.

UM, AND IT IS WITHIN 1000 FEET OF HPV, AS WELL AS THE, UM, ADJACENCY TO THE GREENBELT AND THE TRANSIT STATION.

UM, THE MIXED USE PROJECT BREAKS OUT AS APPROXIMATELY 18 ACRES OF MULTI-FAMILY TWO AND A HALF ACRES OF MIXED USE.

AND 1.3 ACRES OF CIVIC AND OPEN SPACE, UH, WHERE THE TRAIL IS LOCATED.

UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR WARRANTS THAT WE REQUESTED AND TO BE CLEAR, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WITHDRAWN OUR, UH, WARRANT FOR INTERNAL THOROUGHFARES TO BE TREATED AS PRIVATE, PRIVATE THOROUGHFARES.

UM, AND WITH THAT, WE'VE REPLACED IT.

BUT, UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF, UH, THE HYBRID MODIFICATION OF THOROUGHFARE ASSEMBLIES WITHIN THE SMART CODE, UM, S T DASH FIVE ZERO DASH TWO EIGHT, TO BECOME A KNOWN AS S T DASH FIVE TWO DASH THREE SIX AND THOROUGHFARE TYPE CS DASH 80 DASH 54 TO BECOME KNOWN AS CS DASH 66 DASH 45.

UM, I WILL NOT GO INTO ALL THE DETAIL THAT WE COVERED LAST TIME ON THE OTHER WARRANTS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE, BUT I WILL VERY QUICKLY COVER THIS THOROUGHFARE, UH, WARRANT REQUEST.

UM, HERE IS THE MAP OF OUR THOROUGHFARE, UH, LAYOUT WITHIN OUR CONCEPT PLAN.

UM, WE'VE MADE IT AS, AS BEST AS SIM CITY GRIDS AS WE CAN.

WE HAVE THE TRAIL LINE CONNECTION THERE ON THE NORTHEAST.

UM, THE, A DESIGNATIONS ARE FOREST STREET TYPE, THE S T DASH 52 DASH 36 IS THE REQUEST.

AND THEN THE BE THERE, UM,

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AND THAT ASSEMBLY WOULD BE KNOWN AS CS 6, 6 45.

UM, HERE IS A DIAGRAM OF OUR THOROUGHFARES.

SO THE LEFT STREET ASSEMBLY S T DASH FIVE TWO DASH THREE SIX WOULD INCREASE THE TRAVEL WITH, FROM A TWO WAY 12 FOOT WIDTH TO A 20 FOOT WIDTH.

UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW EASIER FIRE ACCESS AND MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES WITHIN THE BLOCKS.

UM, THE DESIGN SPEED WILL BE MAINTAINED AT 20 MILES PER HOUR.

THAT IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, THOROUGHFARE TYPE THAT WE'RE MODIFYING IN THE SMART CODE S T DASH FIVE ZERO DASH TWO EIGHT.

UM, BUT THIS SHIFTS, THE YIELD MOVEMENT, UH, SHIFTS FROM A DESIGN SPEED OF A YIELD MOMENT TO A SLOW MOVEMENT.

UM, THE MODIFICATION ALSO REDUCES THE PLANNERS TO THREE FEET FROM SIX FEET, ALLOWING THE BUILDINGS TO BE KEPT CLOSER TO THE STREET AS INTENDED BY THE SMART CODE.

UM, THE ASSEMBLY ON THE RIGHT IS LABELED B ON THE PREVIOUS EXHIBIT.

UH, THIS IS JUST LOCATED ON THAT, UM, EAST SIDE OF OUR SITE WHERE THE, UM, HYBRID THOROUGHFARE ASSEMBLY IS BETWEEN THE CS 80, UM, THE CSAD, UH, EXCUSE ME, 45.

AND WE'RE, UM, MAKING THAT HALF CS, UH, 80 DASH 40 54, UM, CONVERTED OVER TO, I KNOW THAT THROWING OUT A LOT OF ASSEMBLY NUMBERS, C S DASH 66 DASH 45 MERGED WITH OUR HYBRID PROPOSAL OF THE STREET MODEL.

THE ONE I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL GO BACK.

SEE, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE.

SO THE, UM, PURPOSE OF HAVING THE MODIFIED COMMERCIAL STREET THOROUGHFARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS EXHIBIT IS THAT HYBRID, LIKE I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THIS IS CREATING AN ASSEMBLY KNOWN AS CS 66 45 WITH AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 66 FEET, AS OPPOSED TO 80 FEET AND THE SMART CODE ASSEMBLY AND A PAVEMENT WITH A 45, AS OPPOSED TO 54.

UM, THE FOUR BY FOUR TREE WELLS THAT USUALLY ACCOMPANY THE CSAD 54 WOULD BE MODIFIED TO BECOME THREE FOOT CONTINUOUS PLANNERS, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, MAINTAIN A STREET LINE, UH, STREET.

AND WITH THAT, I WOULD IN MY PRESENTATION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE OVER OUR THOROUGHFARE WARRANTS OR OTHER WORDS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER HEIGHTS.

I BELIEVE YOU'RE OFF.

UM, SO, UH, LET ME START BY JUST GETTING SOME CLARITY ON THE NEW CROSS SECTION.

SO 50, 28 IS WHAT WE STARTED WITH, AND NOW WE HAVE 52 36, SO JUST 52 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY, A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT AWAY.

AND, UM, AND I WOULD SAY SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER TRAVEL, UH, SPACE, YOU KNOW, CURB TO CURB HAS GOTTEN SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER.

SO WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M SORT OF PAP POPPING BACK BEFORE, BACK AND FORTH ON MY END, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, COULD YOU POP UP THE, UH, MATCHED SLIDE SECTIONS? YEAH.

AND 2 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.

I'M GOING TO PULL UP THAT SAME THING OVER HERE SO I CAN COMPARE, SO, OKAY.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, WHAT I THINK IS KIND OF NOTABLE ABOUT THE STREET SECTIONS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IS THOUGH IT IS IN THE T SIX TRANSECT I, BY MY READ WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING, AND HERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF, UH, PROBABLY IS MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED TO LIKE THE T4 OR FIVE TRANSECT, RIGHT? LIKE TH TH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THIS.

IT'S NOT LIKE I'M SUGGESTING THAT'S NOT OKAY.

IT'S JUST THAT, UH, IT'S NOT THIS, THEY ARE NOT BUILDING TO THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT THE TSX TRANSECT ALLOWS.

AND THE WAY THAT THE SMART CODE IS SET UP IS THAT YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THESE STREET SECTIONS IN THERE.

AND THESE STREETS SECTIONS ARE DESIGNATED, WHETHER THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.

RIGHT? SO, UM, C UH, CS 80 54 IS, IS REALLY ONLY APPROPRIATE IN THE HIGHEST INTENSITIES T FIVE AND SIX.

UH, AND THEN SEE US 50, 28 A IS A LITTLE BIT MORE WIDER BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALLER STREET.

IT, IT IT'S APPROPRIATE IN T4 FIVE AND SIX.

SO, UM, I ONLY BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK THAT UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT OF THE PLACE IS WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT ABOUT A FORM-BASED CODE.

AND SO WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THE ACTUAL CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE.

I AM A BIT CONFUSED ABOUT WHY IT IS NECESSARY TO WIDEN TRAVEL LANES ON WHAT IS TO BE A RESIDENTIALLY SERVED DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL, I THINK, I THINK, AND THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY, BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO ON THAT ONE WITH THE ANGLE IN PARKING AS MY PRESUMPTION IS THAT'S WHERE THE LEASING OFFICE AND THE AMENITIES CENTER IS GOING TO BE.

SO YOU WANT

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IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER ACCESS THERE, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE.

UM, I DO NOT LIKE THE WIDENING OF THE 50, 28.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT IF YOUR PRESUMPTION IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO LINE THAT STREET WITH PARKING SO THAT THERE IS ALWAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT FULLY PARALLEL PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.

LET'S DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, THAT'S GOING TO FORCE THEM TO BE A VERY SLOW, YOU'RE GOING TO TRAVERSE IT VERY SLOWLY.

AND OF COURSE, I THINK I PRESUME IF YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED WITHIN A FORM-BASED CODE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE INTENT OF THESE NARROW ROADS FOR EVERYONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT PARKING ON STREET.

IT SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN BECAUSE IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE AND YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

SOMEBODY COULD JUMP OUT FROM, IN BETWEEN A CAR.

SO THAT'S THE CONCEPT.

SO ANYTIME YOU'RE WIDENING THESE LANES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONVINCE ME WHY YOU NEED FASTER TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU DO FOR A PURELY RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THIS TYPE A, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE SECOND FOR THE, FOR THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON THE, UM, NEAR THE AMENITIES CENTER.

MY BASIC TAKE ON IT IS THAT YOU WANT SORT OF ONE STANDARD TRAVEL LANE WITH PARALLEL PARKING.

AND COMMISSIONER LAND TRIP.

AND THEN YOU WANT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT THE AMENITY CENTER ACTUALLY IS, AND THE LEASING OFFICE, YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP COMING OFF OF EAST STREET TO HAVE AN EASY PLACE TO PARK.

TOTALLY GET IT.

NOW WE HAVE WHAT IS NEARLY ALLOWED FOR THAT RIGHT HERE.

BUT OF COURSE, IT'S GOT ANGLE AND PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE KIND OF CLEAVE TWO STREET SECTIONS IN HALF, AND WE MAKE THE ONE HALF OF IT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE LOWEST INTENSITY.

THE ONE THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE ONE OF HALF OF, ONE OF THE ASSEMBLIES THAT WE HAVE ON A RESIDENTIAL ROAD.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE ABUTS THE AMENITY CENTER, WE HAVE THE ANGLE AND PARKING.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO COME TO TERMS WITH IS THAT THE, THE ACTUAL SETUP IN THE, THIS PARTICULAR IN CX, UH, IS BACK IN PARKING.

UM, AND YOU WANT TO GO HEAD IN PARKING IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT CONFUSES ME, UM, IS BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT THE BULK OF YOUR TRAFFIC FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE LEASING CENTER TO LEASE HERE, NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE EXISTING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ARE COMING TO HUMIDITY CENTER, WHO ARE LIKELY TO WALK, FIRST OF ALL, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING ARE GOING TO BE COMING OFF OF EAST STREET, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TURNING ONTO THIS ROAD, HEADED WEST.

SO IF YOU'RE HEADED WEST WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE HEAD IN ANGLED, PARKING WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE STREET, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU HAVE IT IF I'M READING IT RIGHT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.

SO THAT WOULD BE ACCESSED BY COMING THE OTHER DIRECTION, WHICH I THINK MAKES THE ROAD MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING AND GO, OH, WAIT, I WANT TO PARK OVER HERE.

LET ME POP A UIE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, OR YOU GOT TO COME IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

I THINK THAT'S A FAILING.

I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT YOU RUN INTO A BIT OF AN ISSUE HERE, WHICH IS THAT THE PRINCIPAL TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE LEASING CENTER IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM EAST STREET.

UM, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT, BUT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MERGE STREET TYPES TOGETHER AND YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT HEAD IN PARKING IS APPROPRIATE, THEN I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL STREET SECTION AND TAKE HALF OF THAT AND TAKE THE DIAGRAMS, SEE US 80, 54 WITH THE ALTERNATIVE FRONT END OPTION, DIAGONAL PARKING, AND JUST MERGE THEM TOGETHER.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO IT.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE I NEED TO BE TO, TO GET ON BOARD WITH THIS, MR. ELANTRA, HOW DO YOU FOLLOW THAT? UM, WHAT IS THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT? THEY WOULD THERE BE, UM, SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.

I'M A SMALL PORTION OF THIS.

SO IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, THE MIXED USE BLOCK, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE HARD CORNER OF, UH, HERO WAY AND MAIN STREET IS, UH, WHERE THE MIX OF USES IS PROPOSED TO RESIDE.

AND SO, UM, KIND OF FOLD TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER HINES, THIS QUESTION AS WELL.

UM, THE INTENT FOR KIND OF DOING A HYBRID FROM THE CENTER LINE, THERE WOULD BE TO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL, UH, STREET STYLE ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL USES, AND THEN HAVING THE RESIDENTIAL STREET STYLE ON THE NORTH SIDE, ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO MAINTAIN THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, FEEL OF THE STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE.

AND THEN TO ALLOW THE, UM, THE DIAGONAL PARKING ON THE SOUTH END, WHERE YOU'RE ADJACENT TO GROUND FLOOR RETAIL

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I JUST, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING I ALL THROUGH THAT WHOLE DIATRIBE THAT I WENT THROUGH, I KEPT SAYING EAST STREET, EAST STREET, EAST STREET, BUT WHAT I REALLY MEANT WAS MAIN STREET, MAIN STREET IS WHERE I BELIEVE THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE COMING FROM.

SO, WHICH IS WHEN THEY SHOW YOU THEIR LITTLE MAP WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THAT B ONE IS BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND THEIR VERTICAL, THEIR VERTICAL STREET.

SO MY, MY APOLOGIES, I WAS JUST INCORRECT REFERENCING ALL OF THE REST OF IT.

STILL STANDS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, AND HOW LARGE IS THE COMMERCIAL SECTION? HOW MANY ACRES THE COMMERCIAL SECTION IS? HAVE I WRITTEN DOWN THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE SITE IS I THINK, BUT TWO, TWO AND A LITTLE OVER TWO AND HALF ACRES.

COMMISSIONER MOSS, OKLAHOMA COMMISSIONER COSGRAVE UM, JUST TO TRUFFLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT, UM, THESE ASSEMBLIES, WHEN YOU, UH, WHEN YOU TALK TO THE DEVELOPER AND WE WENT THROUGH THESE CHANGES, IS STAFF COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, OR DO THEY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UM, NARROWER PAVING AS COMMISSIONER HINES JUST POINTED OUT? SO I THINK, UM, THE, THE CONCERN THAT WE WERE HAVING, UM, SO WITH THE WIDTH OF THE PLANTER STRIPS, UM, CAUSE THEY REDUCED HIM FROM SIX TO THREE AND I THINK THAT'S CHALLENGING FOR TREES, UM, WITH THE, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD.

IT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE COMMISSIONER HINES SAID THEY'RE ADDING PARKING AREA ON BOTH SIDES, SO IT COULD HAVE PARKING PERMANENTLY, UM, IT FUNCTIONS.

SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

I HAVE NO, I, I, THIS ONE, THE PLANTERS BOTHERED ME.

I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S THE PLANTERS, THE PLANTERS BOTHERING ME, THE THREE FOOT PLANTERS ARE, UM, A YARD WIDE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT GROWS THERE, SO THAT THAT'S MY, MY MAJOR CONCERN IS, AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT FOR, FOR PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER.

UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE I'M, I'M GOOD, MR. MAN, NOTHING FOR ME.

UM, THESE DIFFERENT BLOCKS, YOU, YOU HAD PRIVATE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS.

UM, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH THAT FIND, FIND, UH, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS PER YEAH.

SO THERE ARE, UM, A VARIETY OF PARKING, UH, SOLUTIONS ON THIS CONCEPT PLAN OR INTENDED A PORTION OF THAT WOULD BE THE INTEGRATION OF ON-STREET PARKING.

A PORTION OF IT WOULD BE GARAGE PARKING ON A PORTION OF IT WOULD BE, UM, PART OF SURFACE PARKED PARKING SPACES.

NOW, THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING ON THAT IS YOU HA YOU HAVE A CAP METRO TO YOUR NORTH, YOU HAVE ACC GER EAST, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIAL TO YOUR WEST.

UM, PARKING LOTS, FILL UP, AND WE'RE WONDERING WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK THE CARS.

UM, IF YOU CAN'T PARK, IF YOU RENT AN APARTMENT, YOU CAN'T PARK AND WHERE YOU'RE LAUDED, DO YOU END UP IN THE CAP METRO LOT? DO YOU END UP IN A STORE'S LOT? UM, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

UM, HOW ON THE GARAGE PARKING, HOW MANY SPACES PER UNIT WERE YOU LOOKING AT ON THOSE? UM, I BELIEVE AS OF NOW, I BELIEVE AS THE DEPARTMENT, NOW WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT ANSWER VERBALLY.

I BELIEVE IT'S PARKED AT 1.7 PER UNIT.

WHICH IS WHY THE WARRANT OF REQUEST IS FOR THE BUILDING FRONTAGE THERE, UM, BECAUSE THAT WILL TIE INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL TIE INTO OUR STREET TYPES, WHICH ALL HAVE PAVED SIDEWALKS, WHICH WILL CONNECT TO THE TRAILS AND ALLOW YOU TO, UM, MAKE YOUR WAY NORTH TO ACC OR THE LANDER STATION.

UM, AND THEN TO, TO ANSWER IT OR JUST RESPOND TO, UM, KIND OF THE ON STREET AND, UM, THE INTENT OF INCREASING THE PAVE, THEIR PAVED AREA IS TO, UM, MAINTAIN THAT FRICTION IN THIS, THIS STREET ENVIRONMENT SO THAT YOU ARE NOT SO MUCH IN A YIELD DESIGN FLOW, BUT YOU'RE IN A SLOW MOVEMENT TRAFFIC, WHICH IS MORE INVITING TO COMING IN AND TRAVERSING BETWEEN THE BLOCKS TO YOUR POINT OF, YOU KNOW, BEING BETWEEN THESE, UH, KIND OF COMMERCIAL CENTERS OR TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS OR INSTITUTIONS.

UH, WE ARE COMBINING THE, THE REQUEST FOR ALLOWING THE, THE PARKING IN THE SECOND LAYER AS A PART OF A, ONE OF OUR WARRANTS, SO THAT, UH, WE MAY ALLOW THAT, THAT LEASING PARKING, UM, IN THAT SECOND LAYER AND OFF OF THE STREET, UM, WHERE DOING THE ADDITION OF TH THE TRAIL EASEMENT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER,

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SO THAT WAS THE INTENT THERE.

AND SO THE PARKING FOR THE, THE MULTIFAMILY OR THE MIXED USES, UM, WILL BE CONTAINED, UH, WITHIN THE THIRD LAYER, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT WARRANT REQUEST.

AND THEN THE INTENT FOR THE THOROUGHFARES IS THAT IT'S ALL OPEN STREET PARKING.

UM, AND THEN THANKS TO ASSISTANCE FROM STAFF.

WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT THROUGH A LICENSE AGREEMENT, UM, IN A SITE PLAN PROCESS.

MAY I SAY I HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS, UNSURPRISINGLY.

UM, OKAY.

FIRST OF ALL, UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE, I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT CHAIRMAN MAY, WILL DISAGREE WITH ME ON THIS, BUT ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF THE WAY THAT THE SMART CODE IN THIS PART OF TOWN IS SET UP IS THERE, AREN'T A BUNCH OF PARKING MINIMUMS, RIGHT? PARKING RUINS PLACES.

IT JUST DOES.

IT SIMPLY DOES.

THIS IS DESIGNED TO BE A WALKABLE PLACE WHERE YOUR CAR IS NOT YOUR PRIMARY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.

AND SO YOUR TALKING ABOUT, WELL, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PARK YOUR CAR.

WELL, GOOD.

THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A PLACE LIKE THIS IS LIKE, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE A CAR AND YOU GET ON THE TRAIN.

THAT'S SORT OF, THAT'S SORT OF SEPARATE FROM THE BIGGER, BROADER POINT THAT I WANT TO GET TO, OR NOT RATHER THE MORE MICRO POINT, WHICH IS ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR STREET SECTIONS.

DO THE REAL QUESTION HERE IS, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED THE STREET PARKING TO MEET THE ACTUAL NEED OF THE PARKING OF THE RESIDENTS OF THESE AREAS? IF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, THEN THESE STREETS WILL BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO TRAVERSE IN A YIELD FORMAT BECAUSE YOU WILL BE LINING EVERY SQUARE INCH OF EVERY STREET WITH PARKED CARS AND YOU WILL BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT CUT IT DOWN TO 28 MINUS 16 FOOT, ABOUT EIGHT FEET AND EIGHT FEET OF PARKING.

THAT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH TWO CARS WILL TAKE UP ON EITHER SIDE.

AND SO THEN YOU'RE LEFT WITH 12 FEET OF TRAVEL SPACE, WHICH IS NOT MUCH, BUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A ROAD LIKE THIS.

THE REASON THAT THAT ROAD IS AN OPTION HERE IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T GENERALLY PARK THE STREET OUT COMPLETELY.

SO THE IDEA IS THAT PEOPLE KIND OF PULL OVER A LITTLE BIT AND THAT CAUSES THEM TO MOVE SLOWLY AND SAFELY IN A PLACE THAT'S GOING TO BE FILLED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SO I THINK YOU SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE GETTING READY TO SAY SOMETHING.

WE'D LIKE TO DO A SIMILAR CONCEPT HERE.

I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

UH, JUSTIN SCOTT LIFESTYLE COMMUNITIES AND WITH THE DEVELOPER.

UM, SO WE, WE, WE DEVELOP THESE COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

UH, WE'RE BASED OUT OF COLUMBUS, OHIO.

UH, WE'RE IN NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, WE'RE IN THE CAROLINAS.

UH, WE'RE BUILDING OUR FIRST PROJECT IN PFLUGERVILLE RIGHT NOW.

HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE SECOND PROJECT THAT WE BUILD HERE IN THE AUSTIN AREA.

UH, WE ARE ALL ABOUT NEW URBANISMS WE'RE ABOUT CONNECTIVITY OR ABOUT AN OPEN PLACE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

UH, THE, THIS PARTICULAR STREET SECTION, UH, THE TROUBLE IS THE WAY THAT WE, UM, UH, DESIGN OUR BUILDINGS IS WE'RE BUILDING THEM ALL TO THE STREET.

YUP.

PARKING IS IN THE INTERIOR.

UM, AND WHERE, WHEN PEOPLE COME GUESTS COME OVER TO VISIT, THEY USUALLY PARKED IN THE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES, UH, OVER BY WHERE I LIVE ON IN EAST AUSTIN, DOWNTOWN, THERE'S THIS PROJECT CALLED THE GUTHRIE AND IT'S THIS EXACT SAME SECTION, UH, CARS ARE PARKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

YOU HAVE TO YIELD.

IT MAKES IT A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT WHEN THERE ARE CARS PARKED TO YOUR POINT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

AND, YOU KNOW, TO FURTHER THE POINT, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS OR COMMERCIAL USES NEARBY.

IF THESE ARE GOING TO BE OPEN PUBLIC STREETS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT, WE WANT INVITING PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO COME TO VISIT.

UH, THAT'S THE INTENT.

UH, IT ONLY ADDS TO THE CONGESTION AND IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO COME HOME OR IT'S HAVE SOMEONE COME OVER AND VISIT, AND YOU HAVE TO, THAT'S A PRETTY LONG STRETCH OF ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SHOW, UM, THIS STRETCH HERE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE COMES TO THIS AND THEY HAVE THIS, WAIT UNTIL THIS PERSON COMES HOME.

NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

LET ME SAY, THE ONLY WAY THAT HAPPENS IS IF EVERY SQUARE INCH OF PARALLEL PARKING IS TAKEN, AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO PARK THE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY? SO THEN WHAT IS THE REAL LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU FILL EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPACE? I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY, RIGHT? BUT THE LIKELIHOOD INCREASES AS IT, AS WE, AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS AROUND US AND THEY BECOMES MORE OF A WALKABLE AREA.

SO IN, AND WE ALSO, WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE VISITORS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT.

AND ACCOMMODATING THAT SPACE.

THE OTHER THING TOO, IS WHAT IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TALKED MUCH ABOUT.

AND WE MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY, BUT THE COMMERCIAL USE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE AMENITY BLOCK.

IDEALLY WHAT WE'RE BUILDING IN PFLUGERVILLE IS AROUND 15,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, AMENITY FACILITY ON 9,500 SQUARE FOOT, FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT.

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WE ALSO HAVE SOME COWORKING SPACE.

THIS IS ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE, THESE PUBLIC STREETS, WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF PARKING WITHIN THAT AMENITY BLOCK.

SO WHAT WILL NATURALLY HAPPEN IS SPILL SPILLOVER OF COURSE.

RIGHT? SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY CONCERN, UM, WITH THE STREETS THAT WE'RE DOING IN PFLUGERVILLE.

UM, WE HAVE 12 FOOT LANES, UM, AND PARKING ON EITHER SIDE.

UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE STREETS THERE.

UM, AND THE BUILDINGS ARE, THERE ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET.

UM, THEN THEY ARE USING THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CODE AND, AND WE, WE HAVE STREET TREES, WE HAVE THE WHOLE THING.

SO WE, WE WANT IT TO MAKE A NICE, UH, LINING OF THE STREETS.

WE, WE DO NOT WANT TO SPEED UP TRAFFIC IN HERE.

UM, 12 FOOT TRAVEL LANES THAT, THAT P THAT IS FAST TRAFFIC, 12 FOOT TRAVEL LANES ARE FAST TRAFFIC.

AND, AND WE'VE DONE, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES.

SO YOU CAN PUT IN SPEED BUMPS, YOU CAN DO THOSE TYPES OF, OH, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

THE BEST WAY TO CALM THE STREET IS BY DESIGNING THE ROAD SO THAT PEOPLE WILL DRIVE SLOWLY, NOT INSERTING OBSTRUCTIONS FOR PEOPLE.

SO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT NICE STRAIGHT STREETS HERE, RIGHT? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU CHANGE THAT.

BUT, UM, THE, THE SECOND THAT WE HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT SPEED BUMPS.

IT'S A FAILURE OF DESIGN WHEN WE GET THERE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD EVEN DISCUSS THAT.

UM, WHAT, I'M, WHAT I'M WANTING TO LIKE, WE HAVE THIS OTHER STREET SECTION, WHICH IS A SMIDGE UP FROM 50 28, WHICH IS 52, 32, RIGHT? 52 32 GETS YOU SEVEN FOOT PARKING LANES ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH THAT MEANS THAT SOME REALLY BIG CARS WILL STICK OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER CARS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE LINING A LOT OF STREETS.

AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE 18 FEET OF PAVEMENT BETWEEN THE PARKING LANES IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE IT'S A FAIR POINT TO MAKE AS THE AREA DEVELOPS AND THICKENS, YOU'LL GET MORE AND MORE, UM, PARKING, UM, PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET.

NOW I WILL NOT GET INTO MY DIATRIBE ON PAID PARKING, WHICH I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT, BUT THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM TOO.

SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AT ANOTHER TIME.

UM, WHAT I DO THINK IS 18 FEET IS ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SLOWLY SCOOT BY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO STOP AT THE END OF THE STREET TO GET BY.

I MEAN, THAT WILL BE SNUG AND IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT'S SIMPLY IS ENOUGH, IF YOU'RE INCHING ALONG, IT JUST IS.

AND SO I, I REALLY HAVE, IT'S JUST 12 FOOT LANES IN WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE A WALKABLE URBAN PLACE.

10 WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

WE'RE NOT ASKING, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR 12.

THAT'S ME MISREADING SOMETHING THAT I WAS REFERENCING.

LET ME, LET ME, LET ME GET BACK.

I'M GOING TO LOOK BACK AT YOUR CROSS SEC.

I THINK I'LL SHOCK YOU ON THIS ONE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WENT TO, ONE OF THE CLASSES I WENT TO AT THE CONVENTION WAS ON PARKING.

TWO THINGS I LEARNED PARKING LOTS ARE TAXED.

VERY LOW.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU GET A LOT MORE TAX OUT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

YOU GET A LOT MORE OUT OF ANYTHING, RIGHT? YES.

PARKING LOTS ARE ALMOST ZERO IN TAX.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, THEY ALSO DID A STUDY IN DALLAS AND THEY DID, UH, 13 DIFFERENT PARKING LOTS.

AND THEY, THE GOAL OF THESE PARKING LOTS WERE TO BE AT 80% FULL 11 OF THE 13.

NEVER REACHED 80%.

SO WE OVER PARK, WE OVER PARK.

A HUNDRED PERCENT.

WE CAN AGREE ON THAT.

THEY'RE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE THE TWO PROBLEMS. ONE IS YOU DON'T DESIGN ENOUGH PARKING.

AND THE PEOPLE FROM THE APARTMENTS HAVE TO PARK IN, UH, ABC, WHATEVER BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET, OR THEY HAVE TO GO INTO ACC SLOT OR WHATEVER, OR VICE VERSA.

SOMEBODY GOING TO ACC PARKING LOTS FULL AT ACC AND A PARK.

SO TO JUSTIN'S POINT, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS LOVE YOU.

WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.

SO WE WANT TO DESIGN PARKING LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL VERSUS A PARKING LOT, WHICH IS NOT TAXED.

UM, W I DON'T THINK THE, THE CENTER STREET, THE CENTER GRID OF THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT, WHICH, UH, MAIN STREETS ON THE RIGHT.

AND IT'S EAST STREET ON THE LEFT.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE TWO STREETS THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE THROUGH, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO THE APARTMENTS THERE.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HUGE CONCERN AS TO A LOT OF MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC, OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVED THERE.

WELL, WAIT A SECOND.

NOW THAT THAT'S MAKING MY POINT, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVERSING IT, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW SLOW YOU MAKE THEM DRIVE.

NOW, I THINK TO HIS POINT, I'M SO SORRY, SIR.

WHAT WAS YOUR NAME, JUSTIN.

JUSTIN.

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HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PERHAPS A COWORKING SPACE AND WE'LL MIXED USE AREA OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT, UH, UH, NATIVE TO THAT LITTLE THREE AND A HALF, FOUR BLOCK AREA WHO ARE COMING IN AND YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THEM.

AND THEY HAD IN PARKING AND ALL THAT IS FINE, BUT I MEAN, THE PRIMARY USERS OF THIS LITTLE X, THIS LITTLE PLUS SIGN HERE IN THE CENTER OF THAT'S GOING TO BE PRINCIPALLY THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE.

AND THEY DON'T NEED TO GO FAST TO GET OUT OF THERE AND THEY DON'T NEED TO GO FAST TO GET IN.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO PREFER THAT PEOPLE DRIVE SLOW ON THOSE ROADS CAUSE THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE.

SO W W WHAT I WILL SAY IS 10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WITH 10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET BY WITH SEVEN FOOT PARKING LANES, BECAUSE THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU, THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE TO MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, LIKE, IF YOU GO, OH MY GOSH, YOU'RE GOT TO SLOW DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CARS ON THE ROAD.

I WISH I COULD GO FASTER THAT WE'VE DONE IT WRONG.

SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY, YOU WANT TO GET 10 FOOT TRAVEL LANES.

YOU WANT TO GET SEVEN FOOT PARKING LANES.

GREAT.

BUT YOU NEED TO GIVE US THE FULL PLANTERS AND YOU NEED TO GIVE US THE, THE SIDEWALK AS EXPECTED THOUGH.

I WILL ADMITTEDLY SAY THAT'S ONLY A TWO FOOT DIFFERENCE FROM CS 52 32, WHICH IT WOULD BECOME CS 54, 34, RIGHT? LIKE YOU WOULD GET FOR TWO EXTRA FEET OF RIGHT.

OF WAY SO THAT YOU COULD ADD AN EXTRA FOOT IN EITHER TRAVELING, IF YOU WILL.

UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, I THINK, THAN THIS WIDER PARKING AND WIDER LANES.

AND WE NEED OUR PLANTER STRIP FULLY.

WELL, WHAT WAS THE REFRESH? MY MEMORY I'VE SLEPT.

WHAT WAS THE ASSEMBLY THAT THE ORIGINAL WARRANT ASKED FOR WHEN IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD, 50, 28 .

AND THE REASON WHY I THOUGHT WE HAD POSTPONED THIS WAS TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND A WAY FOR STAFF TO WARRANT THAT THE SETBACK WAS, WHICH I THINK WAS THE ARGUMENT THE LAST TIME, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED BETWEEN NOW.

AND THEN IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR PRIVATE STREETS, NO ONE OF THEM TO BE PUBLIC.

SO WE WERE WORKING WITH THEM ON HOW TO MAKE THE STREET SECTION WORK.

SO THEY HAD CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT UTILITIES AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THEIR ISSUES WHERE PEC WANTS THEIR OWN EASEMENT.

AND SOMETIMES THAT CAUSES A GREATER SETBACK, BUT WE FOUND SOLUTIONS WITH PEC WITH NORTH LINE.

AND THEN THERE, YEAH.

I'M SO SORRY.

NO, YOU THREW ME OFF THERE.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE GATING, SO THEY HAD THAT COMMENT.

THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GATE, THEY WANT TO HAVE, UM, THEIR OWN STREETSCAPE WITH AMENITIES.

UM, SO WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT WITH A LICENSE AGREEMENT.

SO WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH ALL THEIR CONCERNS TO HELP THEM ADDRESS THEM SO THEY CAN DO THE PUBLIC STREETS.

AND WHY AM I SEEING A DIFFERENT ASSEMBLY? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE PART I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S THE PART THAT CONFUSES ME.

ANYBODY CAN EXPLAIN IT.

SO, SO, SO IF STAFF ADDRESSED ALL THOSE ISSUES THAT WERE PART OF WHY WE NEEDED THE ROWS TO BE PRIVATE AND FOUND SOLUTIONS FOR WHY THE ROADS NEEDED TO BE PRIVATE, WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A DIFFERENT ROAD ASSEMBLY TODAY? AND, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE.

I, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MISSED BEFORE, UM, THAT THE FACT THAT THE, THE, THE ROAD WAS NARROW, IT WAS GOING TO CAUSE THIS CONGESTION TYPE ISSUE.

SO WHAT WE HAD PUT IN HAD HAD IN THERE BEFORE WAS THIS THE S T 50 DASH 28.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, REALIZE THAT LOOK, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 28 FEET, UH, LESS PARALLEL PARKING ON EITHER SIDE.

IT WAS ONLY IN TO PROVIDE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT OR SEVEN OR SEVEN FEET OF TRAVEL.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO YIELD TO TRAFFIC, WHICH WAS GOING TO CAUSE THAT CONCERN THAT WE, WE ADDRESSED.

SO, UM, HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

YOU SAID THAT YOU DO HAVE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY INCLUDE BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE STREETS BUILT A SIMILARLY URBAN CROSS SECTIONS, PERHAPS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT SIMILAR.

WE TRY TO ACHIEVE A NEW URBAN ISM TYPE BLOCK LAYOUT.

AND ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS WITH A WALKABILITY IS SIMILAR TO EXACTLY WHAT THE SMART COACH TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.

AND, AND, AND IN THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE PRIVATE STREETS, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO PARK IN THOSE PARALLEL SPACES? UM, NO.

YOU DO NOT KNOW.

I RACKED MY BRAIN AFTER THE LAST MEETING.

THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I COULD COME UP WITH FOR WHY IT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO HAVE PRIVATE STREETS, OTHER THAN THE ABILITY TO CLOSE DOWN THE STREET, WHICH YOU SAID YOU WERE WILLING TO, UH, WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME YOU WERE WILLING TO SKIP OUT ON.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I COULD THINK OF WAS THAT IF, IF, IF IT'S A PRIVATE STREET, THEY GET TO DETERMINE WHO PARKS THERE.

SO, SO, I MEAN, I

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HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT, OKAY, MAYBE WE MISREAD 50, 28.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ENOUGH PAVEMENT.

I'M ON BOARD WITH YOU THERE.

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

I JUST THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OVERDOING IT.

YOU'VE JUST GONE A SMIDGE TOO FAR WITH BOTH THE WIDE PARKING LANES AND THE WIDE TRAVELING.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PICK ONE OR THE OTHER.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO MOVE AT A REASONABLE SPEED, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, I WOULD LET THAT GO FOR MY POSITION IF WE JUST GOT THE PLANNER SIZE BACK.

SO, UM, THE, THE, THE NARROWER PLANTER, I THINK, IS THE BIGGEST FAILING HERE.

SO BACK TO SIX FEET.

SO OUR, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE 10 FOOT FOUR, UH, IF WE'RE BASING THIS ON S T 50, 28, IT DOESN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY BASED ON S T YEAH, NO, YEAH.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SIX, SIX FOOT PLANTER LANES AND A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO THAT I COULD LIVE WITH.

SO THEN MY OTHER, MY OTHER THOUGHT IS ABOUT THIS LITTLE SECTION AT THE STREET TYPE B AS YOU SHOW STREET TYPE B, IF WE COULD POP OVER TO THAT ONE.

UM, SO THE PRESUMPTION HERE WOULD BE THAT THIS IS, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT YOUR MAP.

UH, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE OFF OF MAIN STREET TO THE NORTH SIDE OF YOUR AMENITY AND MIXED YOU CENTER.

SO, OKAY.

SO THEN, UH, JUST BACK ON THE STREET ASSEMBLY, YOU'VE GOT SET UP FOR THAT.

YOU'VE GOT PARALLEL PARKING ON ONE SIDE AT WHAT? EIGHT FEET.

CAN YOU JUST POP BACK OVER TO THAT ONE? LET'S SEE, YOU'VE GOT AN EIGHT FOOT PARKING LANE.

TWO 10 FOOT TRAVEL.

OH, NO, HERE WE GO.

AN EIGHT FOOT PARKING LANE, A 10 FOOT TRAVEL IN A 10 FOOT TRAVELING AND 17 FOOT DIAGONAL PARKING.

AND THE DIAGONAL PARKING IS GOING TO WIND UP BEING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, I GUESS.

SO IT WOULD REALLY BE ONLY ACCESSED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HEADED EAST.

I MEAN, IT'S YOUR PROJECT, I GUESS IF YOU WANT THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS SLIGHTLY PROBLEMATIC, YOU KNOW, AND WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHETHER TO HAVE IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, HAVING IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL, UM, ALSO ALLOWS FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE WORKING WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE TOD.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE AS PART OF A RESTAURANT, A, A COFFEE SERVICE.

SO WE DO MORE MORNING COFFEE WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, COME OUT AND WE DELIVER COFFEE TO THE CARS OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE TRAVELING TO WORK.

I SEE.

SO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING FROM THESE, PRESUMABLY THEY COULD EASILY COME OUT HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE ACCOMMODATING, UM, PARKING INTERNAL TO THE BLOCK AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A CURB CUT OFF OF HERE AWAY.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN, WE'RE EXPECTING THE TRAFFIC EITHER TO COME FROM THE MAIN FLOOR TO COME IN THROUGH, UH, THROUGH HERO INTO THE BLOCK.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT IDEAL.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

SO, SO THOUGH, I'VE JUST SPENT ALL THIS TIME TALKING ABOUT NARROW TRAVEL LANES.

I BELIEVE THAT THE DEAL WITH HEAD IN PARKING, THE PARKING USUALLY IS THAT YOU WANT A SLIGHTLY WIDER TRAVEL LANE BECAUSE OF THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE BACKING OUT INTO TRAFFIC.

IS THAT GENERALLY THE CASE, THE SECTION HE'S SHOWING IS THE BACK END SECTION.

SO IF YOU WANT TO DO FRONT END, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 12 FOOT TRAVELING SMART CODE SAYS.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT THOUGH, IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE BACKING OUT YOUR, I MEAN, THE BEAUTY OF BACK-END PARKING IS THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO PARK INTO IT, BUT IT'S VERY SAFE TO COME OUT OF IT.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT LIKELY TO MISS SOMEBODY WALKING PAST.

SO THE IRONY HERE, I WILL POINT OUT FOR MYSELF IS THAT IF HE WANTS TO DO HEAD IN PARKING, THE TRAVEL LANE NEXT TO THE HEAD IN PARKING, IF IT'S GOING TO MATCH THE STANDARD IN THE FORM-BASED CODE WOULD ACTUALLY NEED, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A SLIGHTLY WIDER LANE.

THE ONE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE, UM, TO THE PARKING DIAGONAL PARKING IS 17 FEET.

I GUESS THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT IT SHOWS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE FORM BASED CODE.

IS IT, IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU'D WANT TO SEE A 13 FOOT SIDEWALK, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE TO GET RELIEF BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING A 13 FOOT SIDEWALK.

AND THERE THEY'VE GOT PLANTS OR WELLS INSTEAD OF A STRIP.

CORRECT.

WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY.

ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE REASON THAT THERE'S A 13 FOOT SIDEWALK THERE IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ADJACENCY, RIGHT.

THE PUBLIC REALM IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING BECOMES MORE ACTIVE AND MORE USED.

AND SO, YEAH, ACTUALLY, MAYBE MRS. GRIFFIN, I WOULD SAY IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEIR MIXED USE STUFF, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE WIDER, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT COULD BE ON THERE IN THE, IN THE PRIVATE SPACE.

SORT OF A, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

ON THE, UH, MORE ON THE LOWER INTENSITY ROAD, AND THEN WHAT IS THERE THEY'VE ONLY GOT, AND THEN A WIDER PLANTER STRIP THEY COULD, YEAH, THEY COULD, THEY COULD TAKE THAT OUT OF THE SIDEWALK.

SO MY PERSONAL TAKEAWAY THEN IS THAT IF WE CAN GET THE PLANTING STRIP STREET WITH BACK, UH,

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COULDN'T THEY? WOULD THAT BE FAIR? DOES EVERYBODY THINK THAT'S REASONABLE? OKAY.

SO I, SO AT THIS, I'LL SPEAK TO ABOUT THE PLANTER STRIP.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE'RE REQUIRING ONE AT ALL.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WALKABLE TO SIX FOOT SPACES, NOT REALLY CREATING A WALKABLE SITUATION.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE ACTUALLY TAKING AWAY FROM THE WALKABILITY FROM THE STREETSCAPE.

SO WHY ARE WE REQUIRING A PLANTER STRIP AT ALL? THREE FOOT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US.

SO I GET THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT INSTEAD OF GOING TO SIX FOOT LET'S, LET'S ELIMINATE THAT ALTOGETHER.

SO I MEAN, THE D THE, THE PRIMARY REASON THAT YOU HAVE A PLANTING STRIP IS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE STREET TREES.

THE PRIMARY REASON THAT YOU HAVE STREET TREES IN AN URBAN PLACE IS BECAUSE IT CREATES A VISUAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY WALKING, RIGHT? SO LIKE IT PROVIDES A PHYSICAL OBSTRUCTION FOR PEOPLE SO THAT IF A CAR WERE TO RUN OFF THE ROAD, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO HIT A TREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THE SECOND BIG THING IS THAT IT NARROWS THE VISUAL ACUITY OF THE PERSON DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.

SO IT GENERALLY FORCES THEM TO DRIVE MORE CAREFULLY.

BUT, BUT I GET THAT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO 20 MILES AN HOUR.

I WAS GOING TO 55 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

THIS IS NOT 180 3 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT.

AND YOU EVEN SAID YOURSELF, THE SIZE OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO DICTATE THEM AND FORCE THEM TO GO SLOWER DOWN THAT THEREFORE WE ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR, FOR THAT, UH, TO BEGIN WITH.

WELL, PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE ROAD THAT CAUSES THEM TO DRIVE SLOWLY IS EXACTLY THAT THE STREET TREES, YOU TAKE THE STREET TREES OUT OF IT.

IT MAKES PEOPLE DRY FASTER.

SO I'LL JUST SAY ALSO THAT WE WENT DOWN TO THREE, UM, BECAUSE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SAID THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MINIMUM TO KEEP STREET TREES.

WE LIKED THE IDEA OF STREET TREES.

WE THINK IT ENHANCES THE ROADS, UH, STREET SKATE, UM, OTHER PROJECTS, WE'VE DONE SIDEWALKS UP AGAINST THE CURB AND THEN PUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING BEHIND IT.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE INTENT HERE.

SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THE STREET CHEESE, BUT SO THREE FEET IS KIND OF WHERE WE WENT TO BASED ON THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO TRY AND KEEP THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE, AS WELL AS KEEP THE BUILDINGS AS CLOSE TO THE STREET AS WE CAN.

AND I GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET TREES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE AESTHETICALLY APPEALING, BUT I'VE NEVER GONE DOWN THE STREET AND GO, OH, THERE'S NO TREES.

I'M GOING TO DRY FASTER NOW.

SO I DON'T REALLY WALK DOWN THE STREET.

WHY THAT ARGUMENT, YOU HAVE WALKED DOWN AN URBAN STREET THAT DOESN'T HAVE STREET TREES THAT HAS NO GAP BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK AND FELT THAT IT WAS MORE COMFORTABLE ON A ROAD THAT HAD THAT DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO THINGS YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WALKING DOWN A SIDEWALK THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A CURB IS JUST AS COMFORTABLE AS ONE THAT HAS A PLANTING STRIP BETWEEN IT.

ABSOLUTELY SO NOW YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE BUILD THE ROAD FOR GROWN MEN WHO ARE WATCHING OUT FOR TRAFFIC ONLY.

NO, NO.

I'M SAYING YOU, YOU ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY, YOU DIDN'T SAY FOR ME, FOR EVERYBODY, YOU SAID, WE SHOULD BE THINKING FOR EVERYBODY.

I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT YOU WERE ASKING ME SPECIFICALLY.

SO I ANSWERED IT, A VOLUME OF TRAFFIC GOING NORTH AND SOUTH.

I LIVED AT THE GALLERIA AND BK FIVE.

I FIRST MOVED TO TEXAS.

WE HAD LARGE APARTMENTS.

UH I'M I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET THIS NUMBER WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE 800 APARTMENTS IN EACH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

AND RIGHT NEXT TO US WAS THE GALLERIA.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, YOU COULD SIT AND LOOK OUT YOUR WINDOW AND COUNT THE NUMBER OF CARS.

ON ONE HAND THAT WENT UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD BY OUR APARTMENTS FROM 9:00 AM TO 4:00 PM.

AND THEN AS PEOPLE ARE LEAVING FOR WORK AND COMING HOME, A FEW CARS WENT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE, THE, THE STREETS NEED TO HAVE HUGE BARRIERS.

AND WHETHER IT BEING 20 MILES AN HOUR, I, I LIKE TREES, BUT I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'RE GETTING OVERLY PICKY FOR WHAT THIS DEVELOPER WANTS HERE.

UM, HE SAYS HE WANTS TREES.