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[1. Call to Order.]
IS SEVEN O'CLOCK AND THIS IS THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE LEANDRA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.[2. Roll Call.]
THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER MOSS AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.[3. Director’s report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on actions taken by the City Council at the March 17, 2022.]
TO ITEM THREE DIRECTORS, REPORT GRIFFIN.I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE MARCH 17TH MEETING, UM, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE SECOND READING OF THE LAND OR FOOD TRUCKS, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE DROP TEENY ZONING CASE ON HERO WAY, THE GAS STATION CASE ON MOST VISTA DRIVE.
THEY ALSO COMPLETED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE MASON TRACK SUBDIVISION, THE LEANDER SPRINGS CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE GATEWAY 29 SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND THEY COMPLETED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVED THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE M RANCH ZONING CASE, UM, OFF OF HERO WAY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A MINT, AND THEN THAT'S IT FOR MY REPORT.
[4. Review of meeting protocol.]
I DON'T FOR REVIEW OF MEETING PROTOCOL, I'LL REFER YOU TO THE WALLET, SHOWS YOU HOW WE RUN OUR MEETINGS.IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD FILL OUT A SPEAKER REQUEST FORM AND TURN IT IN.
AND RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON YOUR AGENDA, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES SEEING NONE.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT CONSENT AGENDA.I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY A SECOND, SECOND BY VICE CHAIRMAN ALL IN FAVOR OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
[9. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Special Use Case 22-SU-001 to allow for the temporary residential use of a travel trailer or recreational vehicle for use by an ill, convalescent or otherwise disabled friend or relative needing care from the occupant of the primary residence, or a friend or relative providing necessary care for an ill, convalescent or otherwise disabled occupant; on one parcel of land approximately 0.3856 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036092; and more commonly known as 107 Bagdad Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Special Use Permit Case 22-SU-001 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SPECIAL USE CASE TWO, TWO DASH S U DASH 0 0 1 TO ALLOW FOR THE TEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL USE OF A TRAVEL TRAILER OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE FOR USE BY AN ILL CONVALESCENT OR OTHERWISE DISABLED FRIEND OR RELATIVE NEEDING CARE FROM THE OCCUPANT OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR A FRIEND OR RELATIVE PROVIDING NECESSARY CARE FOR AN ILL CONVALESCENT OR OTHERWISE DISABLED OCCUPANT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 0.3 5 3 8 5 6 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCEL ARE 0 3 6 0 9 2 AND MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 1 0 7 BAGHDAD STREET LEE, ANDREW WILLIAMSON COUNCIL, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.UH, SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SPECIAL USE PROJECT.
WE HAVE AN APPLICANT, UH, THAT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PER COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, SECTION TO ALLOW A TEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL USE OF AN RV TO CARE FOR ELDERLY RELATIVES.
UM, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN LAND USES IN A GIVEN ZONING DISTRICT, AND GENERALLY REQUIRES MORE REVIEW BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED USE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.
IN THIS CASE, THE TEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL USE OF AN RV IS NOT CURRENTLY A PERMITTED USE.
THIS USE IS CONSIDERED TEMPORARY AND WILL NEED TO MEET THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS.
SO IN YOUR PACKET, UH, MS. FAITH WIKI HAS SUPPLIED ANSWERS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX, AND WE CAN COVER THEM IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, THE REMAINING ITEMS WILL BE HANDLED WHEN, UH, SHE COMES THROUGH WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT THERE IS ALSO AN ACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE ON THIS SITE.
UH, THE DEVELOPER ON LANDOWNER WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, UH, SUBMITS THIS REQUEST TO BRING THE PROPERTY UNDER COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODES, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS A COMMERCIAL, UH, ATTRACT IT'S.
THE CASSA KOSTA TO THE EAST IS CITY HALL, UH, ZONE CIVIC USE TO THE SOUTH IS ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT WILL BE SFU TO BE, UH, TO THE WEST IS A T4.
AND IT'S ALSO A RESIDENTIAL SITE, UH, PULLED UP THE AERIAL VIEW.
SO WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE PHYSICAL FEATURES.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A FLOOD PLAIN, UH, IS CURRENTLY USED FOR A HOMESTEAD AND CONTAINS A FEW TREES ON THE SITE.
UM, THE SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN PLANTED AS PART OF THE TOWN OF LEANDER FINAL PLAT, UH, VERY OLD PLAT, UH, EXISTING UTILITIES EXIST FOR BOTH SEWER AND WATER LINES WITHIN WILLIS RIGHT-OF-WAY.
UH, AGAIN, THE CURRENT, UH, LAND USE IS A RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD ARE OTHER ITEMS OF NOTE.
UM, THERE WERE NOTIFICATIONS MADE TO THE PAPER AND MAILED OUT BY, UH, CITY STAFF TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET TONIGHT WILL BE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING.
AND FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE WILL BE, UH, APRIL 21ST.
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THEN THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND, OR THE SECOND MEETING IN THE FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE WILL BE IN MAY.UM, NOTICES WERE MAILED BY CITY STAFF TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FELL WITHIN 200 FEET.
THERE WAS ALSO ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH, UH, INFORMATION PER APPLICANT WITHIN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT EIGHT, UH, AND THEIR CORRESPONDENCE.
THIS REQUEST REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF OLD TOWN AND CURRENT ZONING OF SFU TO BE THE PROPOSED TEMPORARY RESIDENCE OR USE OF AN RV FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 0 7 BAGHDAD ROAD KEEPS THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.
PLEASE NOTE, IF THE PROPOSED RV USE IS APPROVED, A PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED.
SUCH PERMIT WILL EXPIRE ONE YEAR FROM THE ISSUANCE DATE.
THE PERMIT MAY BE RENEWED ANNUALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND WITH THAT, UH, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, OR WE CAN JUMP TO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. DALE, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS MA'AM, IF YOU, YOU CAN COME UP SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, IF YOU WILL FILL OUT A CAR, YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE FRONT.
HI, PEGGY, BELLBIRDS GUYS THRILLED, THRILLED TO WESTBOROUGH.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HER.
THEY, THEY DON'T MAKE ANY NOISE.
YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT UGLY UNSIGHTLY.
I HELPED THAT YOU GUYS ISSUE THE PERMIT FOR THEM.
ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, HEARING NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION PLACE.
SO IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD THAT ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW AND ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, AND IS IT, UM, IS IT IN OUR DISCRETION TO, UM, EITHER GRANT FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME OR TWO EVEN BETTER YET, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY, BUT TO RECOMMEND THE GIVE STAFF APPROVAL INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT PROCESSES, UM, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO MAKE THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THIS ALL MY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MAY.
CAN YOU MAKE YOUR LUNCH YET? I'M GOOD.
AND I AM ALSO GOOD COMMISSION.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION THINKS, BUT I'D LIKE TO GRANT IT FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND GIVE IT BACK TO STAFF.
UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A COST TO REQUESTING THESE PERMITS, RIGHT? MS. SCRIPT.
SO, UM, I THINK TWO YEARS AGO WHERE YOU PRODUCED IT FOR EXTENSIONS.
SO IT'S A REDUCTION FOR EXTENSIONS, CORRECT.
THEN I'M OKAY WITH THE ONE YEAR, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET A RECOMMEND THAT STAFF BE ABLE TO, UM, REVIEW AND APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIRMAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ELANTRA, ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL OPPOSED CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-TOD-Z-004 to amend the current zoning of SFU-2-B (Single-Family Urban), GC-3-C (General Commercial), and T4 Transect (General Urban Zone) to T5 Transect (Urban Center Zone) on twenty-one parcels of land approximately 6.652 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036035–R036040, R036043–R036046, R036072, R036074, R036078–R036080, R036087–R036089, R036104, R036105, and R097401; and generally located on the east side of N Brushy Street between W Broade Street and W South Street, and located along Broade Street between Brushy Street and N West Drive, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-TOD-Z-004 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
ON TO ITEM 10, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE TWO, TWO DASH T O D DASH Z DASH 0 0 4.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF SFU GAS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN C THREE C GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND T4 TRANSECT GENERAL URBAN ZONE TO TRANSECT KEITH FIVE URBAN CENTER ZONE ON 21 PARCELS OF APPROXIMATELY 6.652 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE.
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
CAUSE PARCELS ARE 0 3 6 0 3 5 THROUGH R 0 3 6 0 4 0 ARE 0 3 6 0 4 3 THROUGH OUR 0 3 6 0 4 6 ARE 0 3 6 0 7 2 ARE S 0 3 6 0 7 4 ARE 0 3 6 0 7 8 2 R 0 3 6 0 8 0 ARE 0 3 6 0 8 7 THROUGH OUR 0 3 6 0 8 9 ARE 0 3 6 1 0 4 R 0 3 6 1 0 5 AND OUR 0 9 7 4 0 1.
AND GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH BRUSHES STREET BETWEEN WEST BROAD AND SOUTH WEST SOUTH STREET, AND LOCATED ALONG BROAD STREET BETWEEN BRUSHY STREET AND NORTHWEST DRIVE LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.
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GOOD JOB.THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE CITY HAS INITIATED A LARGE AREA ZONING CASE TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF 22 PROPERTIES FROM T4 TRANSIT GENERAL URBAN ZONE TO THE
THIS CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR HIGHER DENSITY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT INCLUDE COMMERCIAL OFFICE RESTAURANT USES AS WELL AS ALCOHOL SALES.
IN ADDITION TO THE USES ALSO ALLOWED IN T4 ALL PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED WITH THIS CASE HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE REZONE AND HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THEIR OPTIONS TO BE INVOLVED, INCLUDING INFORMATION REGARDING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO ZONINGS.
THE CITY INITIATED THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF OLD TOWN AND THE TRANSITION TOWARDS MORE ENTERTAINMENT BASED USES THE EXISTING T4 TRANSACT IS MORE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
UPDATING THE ZONING ALONG BRUSHY STREET AND BROAD WILL ALLOW FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE VISION OF OLD TOWN, PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A VIBRANT MIXTURE OF USES WHILE MAINTAINING A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, THE ZONING CASES VOLUNTARY, AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS MAY REQUEST TO NOT BE INCLUDED.
THIS CHANGE DOES NOT IMPACT THE EXISTING USE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WILL IMPACT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
OUR REDEVELOPMENT, ALL SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN OLD TOWN MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
THIS AREA IS SURROUNDED BY MORE, UM, OLD TOWN PROPERTIES, UM, WITH A MIX OF CURRENT ZONINGS OF GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND SFU, SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN, AND SOME PROPERTIES HAVE ALREADY TRANSITIONED TO THE SMART CODE ZONINGS OF, UH, CB CIVIC, BUILDING T4 AND T FIVE TRANSECT ZONES, UH, ALONG US 180 3.
AND HERE OUR WAY WEST ARE GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES RIGHT HERE.
UM, S ESTABLISHED TREES EXIST ON MOST OF THE PROPERTIES, SORRY.
AND, UH, MANY OF THE PROPERTIES, I THINK, 15 ALTOGETHER LOCATED IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN IN THE SITES, UH, THE SITES ARE, UH, SOME OF THE SITES ARE UNDEVELOPED, NO DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD, BUT 200 FOOT AND 500 FOOT NOTIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MAILED OUT BY THE CITY.
IN ADDITION TO LETTERS, MAIL DIRECTLY TO THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, NO CONCERNS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
UM, AND I ATTACHED THE FULL REPORT IN THE PACKET.
SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN OLD TOWN AND IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE OLD TOWN MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROPERTIES WITHIN OLD TOWN, HAD THE OPTION TO DEVELOP UNDER THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING OR THE SMART CODE.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
UM, AND JUST AS A LOOK, HERE'S THE SMART CODE ZONING UNDER THE APPROVED OLD TOWN'S ZONING THAT THEY HAVE SOME HAVE ALREADY TRANSITIONED TO SOME, HAVE THE OPTION TO STILL, UH, AND THEN HERE IS THE CURRENT ZONING THAT IT IS UNDER, AND YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF MIX OF USES, UM, AND ZONINGS, I SHOULD SAY.
AND THEN HERE IS THE PROPOSED ZONING.
UH, THE CITY INITIATED CASE WOULD CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO SMART CODE WITH THE T FIVE URBAN CENTER ZONE.
THE CHANGE WILL PROVIDE A VARIETY OF LAND USES AT A HIGHER INTENSITY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT TO COMPLIMENT THE EXISTING HISTORIC FABRIC OF OLD TOWN.
THE PAN, THE PLANT ENCOURAGES A MIX OF USES, INCLUDING OFFICE RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS.
OLD TOWNS SHOULD BE EXTREMELY WALKABLE PROVIDING FOR A SAFE AND CONVENIENT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
UH, THE
THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS CASE CITY STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING SINCE THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WAS PEGGY ROBERTS 3 0 2 WEST BROAD.
IF YOU COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION IS I THINK CURRENTLY I'M ZONED, UH, THE GREEN SINGLE FAMILY.
I CAN'T, BECAUSE I'M IN THE CENTER THERE AT THE SECOND SECTION WHERE THE GREEN IS, IS ACTUALLY THE FAMILY.
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OKAY.AND, WELL, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DOES THIS MEAN IF YOU DO THAT WHILE MY TAXES GO UP, THAT, THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ON IF YOU MOVE THE ZONING UP AND THEN I GUESS THE SIDEWALKS TOO.
I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS, CAUSE I KNOW THAT MY YARD IS ITTY BITTY TINY, AND IT HAS A HUGE DITCH.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE WATER LIKES TO COME UP INTO THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES GO SWIM IN THERE, BUT YEAH, ONLY IF IT RAINS A WHOLE LOT OF GUESTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU, WOULD THEY JUST USE THE, UM, THE, UH, RIGHT AWAY THERE, CAUSE THERE'S A BIG, HUGE RIGHT AWAY.
WOULD THEY USE THAT FOR SIDEWALKS OR WOULD THEY TAKE MORE OF THE FRONT YARD OF MY, OF MY FRONT YARD? THAT'S IT? PROGRESS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE NEED MORE PARKING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION.
I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS HAS ANYBODY CONTACTED THE CITY ABOUT OPTING OUT OF BEING INCLUDED IN THE CHANGE? WE'VE DEFINITELY HAD, UH, OUTREACH ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT NO ONE HAS TOLD US THAT THEY WANTED TO OPT OUT.
THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE COMMISSIONER ELANTRA.
I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ANSWER HER QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ISSUE, UM, WOOD, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE TRANSITIONED INTO THIS WALKABLE AREA.
CAN WE HELP HER WITH THAT QUESTION? YEAH.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST CHANGING THE ZONING.
WE'RE NOT INSTALLING SIDEWALKS TODAY, BUT IF WE DID ADOPT A PLAN TO DO SO, TYPICALLY IT STAYS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
UM, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH HER ON THAT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE COMMISSIONER MAY MY TYPICAL PET PEEVE ABOUT PARKING, UH, BUT THE, THE ZONING CHANGES ARE GOING TO FIX OR BREAK THAT, BUT, UH, WE DO NEED PARKING DOWNTOWN.
I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS HERE, BUT I'LL START WITH ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED AS WELL.
ONE WAS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, THE, AS SHE ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY QUESTION IS CURRENT AND, AND RESALE VALUES.
IS IT GOING TO INCREASE THE CURRENT VALUE, WHICH WOULD THEN INCREASE OUR PROPERTY TAXES? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE RESELL VALUE AS WELL? IF A PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES TO SELL IN THE FUTURE, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE COUNTY, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
BUT ARE WE, ARE WE ZONING TO A HIGHER CLASSIFICATION, WHICH WOULD THEN, UM, HAVE THE WILCO, UH, OR WCAB WANT TO THEN INCREASE THE PROPERTY? SO THE WAY THE COUNTY DOES IT, AS THEY ASSESS TAXES BASED ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY TODAY, UM, AND THE ZONING WE'RE ADOPTING ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THEY COULD STILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
SO IT SHOULD HAVE NO, AND THE IMPACT TO HER TAXES OTHER THAN WHAT WCAB IS GOING TO DO.
AND IT PROBABLY WOULD HELP WITH RESELL VALUE.
SO SOMEONE COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SHE COULD PROBABLY SELL IT AT A HIGHER VALUE.
UM, SO THEN MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS THEN EAT? IF THEY DON'T OPT OUT, ARE THEY STILL GRANDFATHERED IN FOR THEIR CURRENT USES SO THAT THEY NEED TO PULL A PERMIT? NOTHING'S GOING TO BE DENIED BASED ON THE, AN INCOMPATIBLE USE? YES.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO APPROVE I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ELANTRA, ALL IN FAVOR, OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY MOVING
[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Ordinance Case 22-OR-001 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance to adopt regulations for Mobile Food Establishments, update accessory structure requirements, updating definitions, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Ordinance Case 22-OR-001 as described above. Staff Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
ON TO ITEM 11, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.AND HE SAYS ACTION REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE 22 DASH OH DASH 0 0 1.
TO AMEND THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADOPT YOUR REGULATIONS FOR MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, UPDATE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, UPDATING DEFINITIONS, AND TO PROVIDE FOR RELATED MATTERS, WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTIES, STAFF PRESENTATION.
SO THIS IS, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AS MOST OF THE COMMISSIONER'S AWARE, OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR FOOD TRUCKS BY RIGHT.
UM, SO TO DO IT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME EXTRA PROCESSES.
UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE KIND OF BRAINSTORMED CAME UP WITH A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER THROUGH THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE SPOKE WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, WE CAME UP WITH, UH, TWO TIERS OF, UM, MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
UM, ONE WOULD BE WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND, UM, YOU WANT TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK COME TO YOUR BUSINESS.
AND, UM, LIKE IF YOU'RE HAVING SOME KIND OF EVENT, UM, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE CALLING THE MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT
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TEMPORARY USE, THAT WILL BE PERMITTED BY RIGHTS ON ANY PROPERTY THAT IS LOCAL OFFICE, LOCAL COMMERCIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, HEAVY, INDUSTRIAL, AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL.AND IT ALSO IS ALLOWED IF YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, AN AMENITY CENTER WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE IT CAN GO, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF ESTABLISHED A FRAMEWORK FOR WHEN YOU DO A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
SO IT'S NOT ON THE OWNER TO TRY TO FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT.
UM, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A PARK.
UM, CAUSE TYPICALLY YOU'RE CHANGING THE ZONING AND IT'S NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STILL GET THE FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IF THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE REGULATIONS WE PROVIDED THAT DOESN'T WORK THROUGH THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU COULD ASK FOR A TWEAK TO IT.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE INNOVATIVE WHERE YOU COULD DO A DIFFERENT, UM, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE ORDINANCES, UM, SINCE, SINCE COVID WE HAD AN INCREASE IN REQUESTS FOR LARGER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, I THINK MORE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING TIME AT HOME AND HAVING LIKE A OFFICE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T EXCEED 10% OF THE SIZE OF YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, CHANGED THAT TO INCREASE IT SO YOU CAN GET A LARGER STRUCTURE.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED SEVERAL DEFINITIONS.
UM, RIGHT NOW OUR CODE DOESN'T DEFINE A LOT OF THE TERMS WE USE.
SO WE ADDED SOME COMMON DEFINITIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING AND, UM, THAT'S KIND OF IT FOR MY SUMMARY OF THE AMENDMENTS.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH WITH THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ITEM 11, MS. ROBINS, I GO TO A T STATE YOUR NAME AND IT'S STILL THREE WESTBROOK.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT MY LITTLE PLAYS COULD QUALIFY FOR A FOOD TRUCK WITHOUT A SPECIAL PERMIT? IF I HAD LIKE A SMALL WEDDING OR SOMETHING, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT FROM THE DIYERS, BUT I'M SURE STAFF WOULD FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT FOR YOU.
NO ONE ELSE WILL WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH VICE CHAIRMAN.
YEAH, I DID SEE IN YOUR NUANCES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN REALLY THE MAIN QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION AND I C I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU SEE FOLLOW THE BASIS, OWNING WHAT THE QUESTION MARK THERE.
UH, I, I WOULD ALMOST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLINED TO, UH, MAKE IT THE LOWEST BASIS OWNING POSSIBLE, WHICH IS THE 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
UM, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THE LOCAL OFFICE OFFICE HOURS THAT WAY, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCAL COMMERCIAL THAT MIGHT BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND I DON'T WANT GENERATORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT CRANKING UP AT 5:00 AM BESIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO I THINK SEVEN O'CLOCK IS PRETTY FAIR FOR ALLOWING IT BY, RIGHT.
IF THEY NEED A SPECIAL USE AFTER THAT, THEN THEY COULD COME IN AND REQUEST TIME CHANGES.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE TEMPORARY USE WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO SOMEONE ELSE'S LOCATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M GOING TO MENTION IN THE LECTURE.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WILL, UH, WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DUMPSTER ON SITE? IT MENTIONS THAT TRASH WON'T BE LEFT ON THE PROPERTY AND, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THE ORDINANCE? I DIDN'T SEE IT THAT REQUIRES THEM TO GET A DUMPSTER OR, OR YOU COULD, UM, USE ROLLOUT CONTAINERS IF YOU'RE DOING A PARK, UM, WHERE YOU FENCE THEM AND HAVE A BAY FOR YOUR ROLLOUT CONTAINERS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DUMPSTER REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THOSE TEMPORARY, UM, BUILD IT YOURSELF, LITTLE TRASH CONTAINER THINGS WITH NO LID OR ANYTHING.
UM, THE OTHER THING IT MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY COULD BE PARKED, IT TALKED ABOUT PARKS AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARKS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS READING, I GUESS IT WAS A QUESTION SAYING, SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED ON CITY HALL PROPERTY? AND I WOULD THINK ONLY WHEN CITY HALLS CLOSED, LIKE AGREED.
SO WHAT WE WERE DOING IS THINKING ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT PEOPLE COME UP WITH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS AND WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, IF THEY WERE DOING IT ON CITY PROPERTY, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO IT.
UM, SO WE'D HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SAY IT CAN'T BE DURING CERTAIN HOURS.
AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT CURRENT SITUATION BEING THAT THERE'S A PARKING PROBLEM ALREADY HERE IN OLD TOWN.
AND SO, UM, BUT I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE ON THERE ON THE, UM, ON THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURES,
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BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURES IS GOING TO BE IS GOING TO INCREASE WELL, THE SETBACKS STAY THE SAME OR WILL IT INCREASE AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A LARGER STRUCTURE.WELL, YOU HAVE TO SET BACK FARTHER FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE OR THE SAME AMOUNT.
SO WE WERE KEEPING THE SAME SETBACKS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER IF WE NEED TO.
I THINK WE MIGHT JUST MY OPINION.
I MEAN, I, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE ARE, THESE STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED AND THE HOA WAS GOING TO ALLOW ONE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP AGAINST SOMEBODY'S FENCE ALMOST UNTIL THE CITY STEPPED IN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DID THE SETBACK, AND WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY LARGE ONES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO FROM 10% TO 20%, PERHAPS INCREASE THE SETBACK BY A SMALL AMOUNT.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT DAY? IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, UM, LOTS THAT AREN'T LIKE YOUR LAW.
LIKE IF IT'S A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT, UM, THE BIGGER WE MAKE THE SETBACK, YOU KNOW, THE LESS SPACE THEY HAVE, BUT IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, WE DEFINITELY CAN.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE PERMISSION TO CARPENTER.
UH, FIRST ONE I HAD ON THE HOUR, SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFYING THE HOURS.
SECOND ONE IS, WILL THIS COVER HELP THE USE OF ALCOHOL SALES THAT GOES THROUGH TABC? SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT PERMIT ENTIRELY THAN THIS PARTICULAR USE.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS ON THE DURATION OF HOW LONG WOULD THESE PEOPLE APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO DO THIS? IS THIS A SPECIAL USE SHORT-TERM PERMIT? SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A PARK, THEN IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE JUST DID WHERE YOU DO IT FOR A TERM LIKE FIVE YEARS ON THE OTHER ONES ARE MORE OF A, A TEMPORARY USE, LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO AN EVENT.
AND THE EVENTS HAVE A SHORTER TERM.
WELL LIKE OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL LIKE THAT.
I REALLY WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR, FOR ASHLEY.
THIS IS A BIG SWING AT A, UM, AT AN ISSUE THAT'S BECOMING MORE PREVALENT AND IN EVERY COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD'S CHANGING A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH THE VICE CHAIR ON, ON THE HOURS FOR THE TEMPORARY SPECIAL USE, I THINK, UH, I, I DON'T WANT MY NEIGHBORS OR MYSELF BEING WOKEN UP AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ELANTRA, UM, PERHAPS MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT SIZE WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
SO ON THE SMALLER LIGHTS, IT IS, IT IS AT LEAST FIVE FOOT AND THEN HIS LIGHTS GET BIGGER.
THE SETBACK MAYBE COULD INCREASE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, I COULD TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN BRING AN UPDATE TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH SOME IDEAS.
I'M NOT SURE MR. GRIFFIN, WHAT, HOW WHAT'S THE COST OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A FOOD FOOD TRUCK? YOU DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT GOING TO BE ADJUSTED BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE BY RIGHT.
ISN'T GOING TO BE ADJUSTED DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S LESS PROCEDURAL THINGS THAT HAS TO GO WITH.
SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO, TWO THINGS TO LOOK AT.
UM, WE HAVE TO TEMPORARY USE, THAT'S NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YOU'RE JUST GETTING, UH, PERMITTED THROUGH THE COUNTY, UM, TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE MET ALL THE CRITERIA.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE, UM, THE PARK, THE PARK WOULD HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK, RIGHT.
YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE, UH, COMMISSION BECOMING QUITE A COMMON THAT THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PARKING BY THE AMENITIES CENTER.
DO THEY NEED SPECIAL USE PERMITS TO DO THAT, OR IS THAT HOW'S THAT HANDLE? WE INCLUDED THAT ONE IN THE LIST, UM, FOR THE, THE EVENT, LIKE FOR THE TEMPORARY USE.
SO IF IT'S A HOA PARK, UM, YOU COULD HAVE A FOOD TRUCK FOR THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY DO THE EVENTS WITH THE TACOS AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDED BY.
I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE QUESTION.
UM, DO THEY HAVE TO MIM, UH, MATCH THE, UH, BUILDING MATERIAL OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE? SO, UM, WE, WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE WHEN IT CAME TO MASONRY IN 2019 AT THAT HOUSE BILL.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PROVISION WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SIMILAR, SO WE LIKE SIMILAR PINK COLOR.
UM, BUT, UH, IF YOU EXCEED CERTAIN SIZE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MASTERY.
SO IT'S LIKE ONCE YOU EXCEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT, SO IT WOULD MATCH WELL SINCE IT'S BEEN INCREASED, WOULDN'T THAT KICK IN, UM, AND BE A FACTOR IT SHOULD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, IF YOU'RE
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GOING TO COME BACK WITH CHANGES, WOULD YOUR STABLE, UM, YOU COULD, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO HEAR IT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND LIST THE CHANGES YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.SO TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING AT, CHANGING THE HOURS FOR THE TEMPORARY USE TO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A SOLUTION FOR SETBACKS, FOR THE ACCESS RESTRICT AND UP TO SEVEN TO SEVEN, THE, THE LOCAL, YEAH, THE LOCAL OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TAKE US TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA
[12. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-003 to amend the current zoning of PUD/TOD-CD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development – Conventional Development Sector) to adopt the San Gabriel Industrial Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning district GC-5-A (General Commercial) on two parcels of land approximately 86.9312 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031599 and R449731; and more commonly known as 9880 183A Toll Rd, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
ITEM 12, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE TWO, TWO DASH ZERO DASH 0 0 3.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF PUD SLASH TOD DASH CD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR TO ADOPT THE SAN GABRIEL INDUSTRIAL MINOR PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT, GC FIVE EIGHT GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 86.9312 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIGNS.
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS ARE 0 3 1 5 9 9 AND ARE 4 4 9 7 3 1 AND MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 9 8 8 0 180 3, A TOLL ROAD, LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS, MR. HUNT.
THIS IS PART OF THE REGULAR AGENDA AND IT IS, UH, THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING A PUBLIC HEARING LAST MEETING IN AN ATTEMPT TO ALLOW FURTHER DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND THEN AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE OPPOSITION IS STILL IN PLACE FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, BUT NOW IS ALSO YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND TAKE ACTION ON THE CASE.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE AVAILABLE.
AS MR. HUNT HAS POINTED OUT, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD AT THE LAST REGULAR SCHEDULED COMMISSION MEETING.
I DO HAVE SOME CITIZEN COMMENTS THAT I WILL READ INTO THE RECORD.
HOWEVER, I THINK YOU CAN LET HIM SPEAK BECAUSE I SIGNED UP.
THIS IS GRIFFIN SAYS I CANNOT LET YOU SPEAK.
THE FIRST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM IS MR. DENNIS ELLISON, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
I LIVE AT 1390, SO I GAVE YOU A PARKWAY.
I HAVE TWO HOUSES ON MY PROPERTY.
THIS IS VERY PEACEFUL PLACE THAT WE LIVE IN.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, VERY RELAXING.
THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND WATCH THE HORSES GRAZE.
BUT I THINK THIS IS IN JEOPARDY IN JANUARY, I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM A CONSULTING ENGINEERING COMPANY, REFERRING TO THE LEANNE LANDER OR FEDEX FACILITY.
THE LETTER IT SAYS, CALL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CALLED SEVERAL TIMES NOBODY CALLED ME BACK.
SO THE INFORMATION WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY.
WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE FOR MY IDEA OF A FEDEX FACILITY IS 86 ACRES OF TRUCK TERMINALS, SEMI TRUCKS, DELIVERY VANS, THE BOY VEHICLES, PROPERTY LIGHTS, WHICH IS NOT WHAT I WANT IN MY BACKYARD, NOT WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND THAT IN THIS PART OF THE TOWN, I THINK IT BELONGS IN AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY SOMEPLACE.
MY DAUGHTER HAS A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
SHE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE AND HOPE WE GET SOME ANSWERS.
NEXT IS DEBORAH EBNER IS EVERYWHERE.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY ADDRESS IS 1390 SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY, AND ALSO 1444 COUNTY ROAD, TWO 70.
I HAD PREPARED THIS WRITTEN DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE FOR EACH OF YOU.
I'M REQUESTING THE COMMISSION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 98, 81 83, A TOLL ROAD, LEANDER, TEXAS, TO CHANGE THE PROPERTY FROM CONVENTIONAL SECTOR ZONING TO A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING.
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WOULD CHANGE THIS PROPERTY TO GC DASH FIVE DASH A.ALTHOUGH I AM IN FAVOR OF FURTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, I'M REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION DENY THIS REQUESTED CHANGE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AS ENVISIONED BY THE CITY OF LANDER IN THIS COMMISSION, THERE ARE AMPLE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OF LEANDER ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS TYPE OF USE BY THIS COMMISSION THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR SKIN NELL PROPERTIES AND FEDEX TO PURCHASE AND USE FOR THIS PROJECT.
I RAISED THREE POINTS FOR MY AND REQUEST.
MY FIRST POINT IS THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE LEANDER PLANNING ANALYSIS FOR THIS ZONING CASE.
FIRST UNDER GC AS WRITTEN UP BY YOUR, BY THE CITY, GC GENERAL IS FOR WHOLESALE ACTIVITIES, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
NOW PROPERTIES IS PLANNING TO BUILD MULTIPLE WAREHOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND JUST ONE OF THESE WAREHOUSES IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 337,000 SQUARE FEET WITH APPROXIMATELY 178 TRUCK BAYS.
MY SECOND POINT IS THAT UNDER TYPE FIVE, THE CITY'S ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT THIS SITE COMPONENT FOR A TYPE FIVE COMPONENT IS DISCOURAGED ALONG ANY MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND IS INTENDED TO BE UTILIZED WITHIN INDUSTRIAL PARK DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PROPERTY THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE ZONING CHANGE IS LOCATED ACROSS FROM THE CURRENT ZONING MAP CITY CENTER, URBAN CORE AND URBAN CENTER.
IT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF NEARLY 5,000 ON 5,000 HOME MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
AND THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE REZONED IS NOT WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK REGION OF THE CITY OF LEANDER.
THIRDLY, UNDER THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER INITIATIVES FOR THE CITY, THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS INCONSIDERATE SYSTEM WITH THE CITY'S EMPLOYMENT CENTER INITIATIVES, AND THAT IT WILL NEGATE THE CITY'S ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND ATTRACT BUSINESSES TO COMMIT TO HEADQUARTERS WITHIN THE CHORD OR, AND AROUND THE CITY'S PLAN CITY CENTER, URBAN CORE AND URBAN CENTER BECAUSE COMPANIES THAT REQUIRE CLASS A OFFICE SPACE WILL NOT PLACE HEADQUARTERS WITHIN OR AROUND AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT I'VE I'VE I'VE UH, OH, CAN I FINISH? OKAY, WELL, I'VE ATTACHED PHOTOS OF THE FEDEX FACILITY THAT'S, UM, DOWN IN SOUTH AUSTIN, THIS FACILITY, THIS WAREHOUSE THAT I'M SHOWING YOU IS 62 TRUCK BAYS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A VISUAL IDEA OF HOW BIG THESE WAREHOUSES ARE GOING TO BE.
DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE? I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO, OH YES, SIR.
IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS CHARLES KNOWLTON, A WHISKEY AND ALL PROPERTIES.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE TIME I HAD A BEER TODAY.
IT'S MY SLIDESHOW AND A SHOW IT'S ACTUALLY ABSOLUTELY.
MR. HUNT FIRE UP AND I'LL START OUT, JUST PUT THE QUICK, UH, OR STARTING THE PRESENTATION AS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHO SCOUT PROPERTIES IS.
I WAS A PRIVATELY HELD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY BASED OUT OF INDIANAPOLIS.
UM, THAT'S WHERE OUR, OUR, OUR, UM, ATTORNEYS PARALEGALS CAPITAL MARKETS, PROPERTY MANAGERS SAID THERE'S EIGHT SATELLITE OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE US.
UM, I'M IN THE DALLAS OFFICE, THERE'S FOUR OFFICES IN EUROPE.
UM, OUR HIGH FASTBALL IS, UM, 90% OF OUR, OUR BALANCE SHEET IS A CLASS, A DISTRIBUTION DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER 10% IS A MULTI-FAMILY AND GARDEN-STYLE OFFICE.
UM, LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT SCANDAL IS WE'RE WE'RE PRIVATELY HELD AND WE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE PARTNERS ON ANY OF OUR PROJECTS.
SO WE DON'T GO OUT AND RAISE MONEY TO FUND OUR EQUITY.
SO ALL THESE PROJECTS HAVE OUR REPUTATION, OUR NAME ON THE LINE, WHICH HELPING SHARE A QUALITY PROJECT.
I JUST BLEW THROUGH THE, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST FOUR SIDES OR A COUPLE SLIDES ON OUR COMPANY.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE CLIENTS WE WORK WITH THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
WE'RE ACTIVE IN 48 OF THE 50 STATES.
UH, THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS OUR, OUR, OUR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
UM, WELL, YOU SEE HERE AS FOR DISTRIBUTION BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, UH, ARE BIFURCATED BY A HIGH POWER LINE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE POWER LINE IS THREE, UM, SHALLOW BAY LIKE DISTRIBUTION BUILDINGS ARE THREE FRONT PARK OR READER LOAD, SHALLOW BAY DISTRIBUTION BUILDINGS, MEANING ALL
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THE OFFICE GLAZING AND GLASS IS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, ANY UNLOADING LOADING AND THE TRUCK CORKS ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.TYPICALLY THESE BUILDINGS, UH, CATER TO SMALLER TENANTS.
THEY HAVE A SHOWROOM IN THE FRONT, UM, STORAGE IN THE BACK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, THE, THE POWER LINES AND BIGGER BUILDING, UH, TOLD HER ABOUT 337,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, BEING ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SIDE, WE'RE SHOWING A LARGER BUILDING THAT CAN HANDLE ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE FRONT AND ADDITIONAL PARKING AND THE TRUNK COURTS TO CATER TO THE BIGGER, TO BIGGER TENANTS.
UM, NEXT POINT ON THE, ON THE SIDE PLAN IS WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WE WILL BE, UH, IMPROVING AND FINISHING AUTO-PARK DRIVE, UM, WHICH HAS SHOWN TO STOP KIND OF THREE OR FOUR.
SO WHERE THE PENSKE SLASH HAUNTED DEALERSHIP SHOPS, THIS IS GOING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE THE, THE EXPANSION OF, UH, RUINED WAY TO 69.
WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT SITE LOCATION FOR, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE THING IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THAT THE SITE FITS WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, CITY OF LEANDER, AND HAS GREAT ACCESS TO HIGHWAY 180 3.
IT'S GOT, WE'RE SHOWING SIX CURB CUTS ON SITE TO EFFICIENTLY FACILITATE TRAFFIC FLOW AND WHAT THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC WANTS TO BE GOING EFFICIENTLY TO.
AND FROM THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, THIS AS FAST AS I CAN, UM, THEY, THEY WANT TO STRAY AWAY FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC TRAFFIC AND AS LONG AS IT HAS, UH, IT'S BEST TO HAVE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS WE, WE VOLUNTARILY POSTPONED THE VOTE FOR THIS, UH, MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO TO, UM, TO FURTHER TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM OUR, THE SOUTHERN LANDOWNER, THE HONDA PENSKE DEALERSHIP.
UM, WE HAVE SINCE MOVED THE MAIN, UH, ORDERING THE MAIN DRIVE TO THIS MIDDLE CURB TOUCHDOWN HERE.
UM, WE'RE PLANNING A 40 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S WHERE ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO WANT TO COME IN, AS WELL AS THE NORTHERN DRIVE.
UM, THE PUBLIC ROAD ON PARK DRIVE IS NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE TO, UH, ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING TO ELIMINATE ALL.
I HAVE NO TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THAT DRIVE JUST TO BE AUTOS AND HIT POTENTIAL FANS.
SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE JUST RENDERINGS AND BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE PAST.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE FRONT PARKWAY A LOT OF BUILDING.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CLASS, A I IN A WALL, UM, A, OF GLAZING, A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL BUMP-OUTS PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THESE TYPE OF BUILDINGS OR, YOU KNOW, PENSION FUNDS, UM, UH, RATES LIKE BLACKSTONE OR PENSION FUNDS LIKE CALSTERS, THIS IS ANOTHER RENDERING LOOKING BACK INTO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, LOOKING AT THE TRUCK COURT.
AND IN CLOSING, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS TO LEANDER AND A LONG TIME AND EXCITED ABOUT A SPARING ECONOMIC GROWTH.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY SINCE THE START, SINCE THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR.
UM, AND EVEN BEEN TALKING TO YOU, CAMERON AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ABOUT PROSPECTIVE TENANTS FOR THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, OVERALL THE TOTAL INVESTMENT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT INTO THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT $80 MILLION.
UM, AND LOOKING TO ARABS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE ABOUT $16 MILLION, UM, UH, PROPERTY TAXES OVER 10 YEARS.
I APOLOGIZE IF YOU WERE CALLING.
UM, AND I W I NEVER GOT A CALL UP.
SO WE APOLOGIZE IF SOMEBODY WAS NOT GETTING BACK TO YOU ON THAT NUMBER WAS WRONG OR WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN NOW.
UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONER.
WE'LL START WITH PERMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL QUESTIONS.
OTHER THAN YOU SAID YOU WERE ABLE TO SOLVE YOUR ISSUE WITH THE AUTO DEALERSHIP.
HOW DID YOU SAY DID THAT? UH, WAIT, WE POSTPONED IT TO FURTHER ADDRESS COMMENTS AND ABOUT, ABOUT AUTO PART DRIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL BOYS ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR BEST TO LIMIT THE MAJOR, NO TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THAT PUBLIC ROAD AND LIMIT THE CENTRALIZED ACCESS POINT TO OUR PARTY.
SHOW ME HOW TO SHOW ME HOW THE, UH, TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING ON TO THIS SITE.
RIGHT OFF OF 180 3, THE THAT'S RIGHT.
ALL THE, ALL THE TRUCK TRAVIS GONNA COME RIGHT OFF.
THE MAJORITY OF THEM, THEY COME OFF AT 180, BUT I SEE YOU HAVE DRIVES UP ON SAN GABRIEL AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, THERE THERE'LL BE NO TRUCK TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THERE IS ONE DRIVE THAT WILL FACILITATE TRUCK DRIVING, BUT PRIMARILY THESE TRUCKS ARE COMING FROM AUSTIN
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35 MIL PACK TO 180 3 EXITING AND GETTING ON ENTERING THROUGH THOSE, THOSE TOP TWO UP 180 3.SO I HAD TO ASK YOU ELANTRAS, I GUESS.
UM, SO HAS, HAS THE, UH, AUTO DEALERSHIP WITHDRAWN THEIR PROTESTS TO THE NO, THEY'RE STILL NOT A FAVOR.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING STATING THEY WITHDREW.
I GUESS THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAD WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS IS IT IS, IT DOES APPEAR TO BE MORE SUITED TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK THAN THIS AREA THAT IT'S IN, ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL, ACROSS THE ROAD FROM RESIDENCES AND ESPECIALLY THE, UM, SITE COMPONENT TYPE FIVE.
I KNOW THAT PROBABLY TYPE FIVE WAS REQUESTED FOR OUTSIDE TRUCK PARKING.
AND THAT, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRUCKS, TRUCK PARKING, BUT OUTSIDE STORAGE, I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, UM, OUTSIDE STORAGE IS ACTUAL TRUCK PARKING, THE ACTUAL 53 FOOT CAT STORE OVERNIGHT.
NO OTHER OUTSIDE STORE WAS NOT LIKE ANY KIND OF, AND SINCE IT'S A PET, WE CAN SPECIFY THAT.
SO WE WANT TO BE THAT SPECIFIC WE NEED TO, SO THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE PUD THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING STORED OUTSIDE WOULD BE THE TRUCK PARKING.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD PREFER IT WAS IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UM, IF, IF, UH, IF THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, CONCERNS COULD BE ADDRESSED ABOUT THE TR I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF TRUCKS COMING IN AND OFF OF SAN GABRIEL AT ALL WITH, UH, AND SO I'M ON CAMERA, GIVEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH CHARLES SINCE ABOUT LAST AUGUST.
SO WE'VE BEEN SCOURING THE CITY FOR DIFFERENT SITES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WE DON'T HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THIS IS KIND OF OUR FIRST ONE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE EXCITED TO WORK WITH.
UM, CHARLES ON, WE ARE WORKING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROSPECTS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD GO INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, I KNOW THEY ALL ARE SHOWING SOME SPECULATIVE SPACE.
I KNOW YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S SHOWN.
THERE MAY CHANGE ON SOME OF THE SMALLER USES TO SOMETHING LIKE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, IF WE HAVE A PROSPECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF NOTE THAT, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE EXCITED TO WORK WITH CHARLES ON THIS.
MY BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN PUT IT IN THE POD, UH, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WOULD BE LIMITED TO 180 3.
I MEAN, 180 3, A AND SOON TO BE HERE AWAY GOING EAST IS THE TWO MAJOR THOROUGHFARES OF OUR CITY.
UH, YOU PUT INDUSTRIAL PARKS WHERE YOU CAN GET TRUCKS IN AND OUT, AND IF THEY WERE GOING, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THIS AND THEY BUILT IT IN LIBERTY HILL, THOSE TRUCKS WOULD BE GOING DOWN 180 3, 8, 2 LIBERTY HILL, THOSE TRUCKS AREN'T GOING TO GO AWAY.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT DENYING IT BASED ON THE, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH THE CITY IS A VALID, UM, THING.
AND W I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY, BUT LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED ON SPACE.
I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED WITH THE TRUCK BAYS BEING HIDDEN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN PUT SOME LANDSCAPING UP TO BEAUTIFY THE PROPERTY.
UM, I WAS SLIGHTLY CONFUSED ORIGINALLY.
I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ADMIT THAT ON, ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THE ECONOMIC, UH, BENEFITS THAT IT COMES, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE HERE ON THE DIETS, THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPED IS NOT OUR ROLE THAT'S CAMERON'S ROLE THAT'S COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ZONING AND WHAT'S RIGHT, AND WHAT'S WRONG FROM OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCES FROM OUR, UM, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
IT DOESN'T MEET WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, RIGHT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS ACTIVITY CENTER AND MULTI-USE CORRIDOR ON THE ROUGHLY 87 ACRES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REALLY CHANGE THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS AN INCOMPATIBLE USE WITH THOSE LAND, UM, WITH THOSE, UM, SCARRED, BUT THOSE LAND USE COMPONENTS, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH EMPLOYMENT CENTER OR INDUSTRIAL.
CAN I INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND? UM, WHEN WE DID THE UPDATE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, JUST RECENTLY, IT CHANGED THIS AREA TO EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
AND I THINK WE CREATED OUR MAPS BEFORE THE CHANGE HAD BEEN
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COMPLETED.IT WAS THE ONE THAT GOT DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER ISSUE.
IT'S NOW EMPLOYMENT CENTER AT THAT LOCATION.
CAUSE I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY THAT THIS, THIS DOESN'T FIT, SO THERE'S NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT IT.
AND I WOULD'VE, AND I WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT.
HAD HAD THAT, UH, HAD I HAD THE RIGHT COLOR MAP ON MY, ON MY IPAD HERE.
UM, WELL THEN YEAH, NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
UH, OKAY THEN I'VE GOT NO QUESTIONS, SO I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE.
UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE RESIDENTS RAISED SOME VALID CONCERNS.
I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER MAY'S POINT THAT, UM, DENYING THIS WON'T ALLEVIATE TRUCKS AT ALL.
I THINK THAT I, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT THOSE TRUCKS WILL JUST MOVE NORTH.
UM, I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UM, IN THE PUD NOTES, IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT INTO PUTTING ON SET, THEY PROHIBITED TRACK AND TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING IN THROUGH AUTO-PARK DRY.
SO, SO ACTUALLY I'LL GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE BEFORE I THOUGHT I MESSED UP, BUT I REALLY DIDN'T MESS UP BECAUSE THE MAP WAS WRONG.
SO THAT THE ONLY REASON THIS IS A PUD IS BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LIMITING THE USES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING HERE.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER HAS BETTER WE'LL USE FOR THE, FOR THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH MY QUESTION IS WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR HEAVY COMMERCIAL BASED ON IT'S BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, UH, IN THE TOD.
AND SO THEY'RE REQUESTING WE REMOVED, SO YOU HAVE TO DO A MINOR PUD AMENDMENT.
AND WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THEM, WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC AND MAYBE RULE OUT SOME USES THAT WEREN'T COMPATIBLE.
SO REALLY YOU'RE JUST DOING BASIS ONLY OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND YOU'RE ADDING IN THE ONE FROM THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, LET'S TALK, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT, THAT, UM, CHANEL WOULDN'T BUILD CLASS A FACILITIES.
UM, YOU STATED THAT THAT YOUR ENTIRE DISTRIBUTION PORTFOLIO IS ALL CLASS X, CORRECT.
WOULD YOU WILLING TO PUT THAT IN THE FOOTNOTES? THANK YOU.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I, I WANT TO, UM, PHRASE SOMETHING HERE.
I GOT INVOLVED WITH EVERYTHING HERE BECAUSE I BOUGHT A HOME HERE IN LEANDER THAT'S OVER NEAR THE HEB AND THEY BUILT THAT NICE BIG HOTEL, RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD.
IT'S 50 FEET FROM MAYBE A LITTLE BIT 60 FEET, UH, REALLY CLOSE TO A LITTLE GIRL'S BEDROOM WINDOW.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF SCUTTLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT GOT ME INVOLVED WITH THE CITY POLITICS IN THIS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT I DO NOT, UH, HAVE ANY SYMPATHY TOWARDS, UH, INDIVIDUALS BUILD A HOUSE HERE IN TOWN AND SOMETHING CHANGES.
UM, BUT, UH, I REALLY THINK THAT THAT WHATEVER GOES IN THERE IS GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT.
UH SIZE-WISE I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S A FEDEX DISTRIBUTION CENTER, UM, I DON'T WANT TO DROP NAMES ON BIG BOX STORES, BUT THEY PUT A BIG BOX STORE THERE.
I MENTIONED THERE'D BE EVEN MORE NOISE AND POLLUTION FROM THAT.
UM, AND THAT, THOSE SEEM TO BE THE OPTIONS AT THAT CORNER.
AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO ACT LIKE I WAS DISMISSING YOUR CONCERNS ON THAT.
I, I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, THAT ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, THESE THINGS ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT.
THESE THINGS ARE ALWAYS THERE.
THESE ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT CHOICES.
CHANGE IS DIFFICULT, YOUR GROWING PAINS ARE DIFFICULT.
SO, UM, I GUESS I'LL BE, I'LL BE THE BAD GUY AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTIONS.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ADDED TO THE POST NOTES ARE THAT ONLY TRUCKS MAY BE STARTED OUTSIDE TRUCK ACCESS TO 180 3 TOTAL ROAD TO IT TO ONLY 180 3 TOLL ROAD, UM, SCREENING OF THE BAYS WITH LANDSCAPING PROHIBIT ACCESS FROM
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AUTO-PARK DRIVE, AND THAT ALL BUILDINGS BUILT ON THE SITE MUST MEET CLASS A STANDARDS.I MIGHT NEED HELP WITH CLASS A STANDARDS, SUCCESS, NOT IN OUR, OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, IS THERE A, JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE NINE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO KEEP.
SO I KNOW THAT REALLY MAKES IT AN ENHANCED, THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
THAT IS ONE THING THAT WAS, UM, STRUCK.
SO WE COULD, BECAUSE WE CAN REINSTATE THAT REPLACED THE WORDS CLASS A WITH THOSE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
UM, THEN I WILL ENTER THAT MOTION AND I'LL SECOND IT, I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LANTRIP ALL IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY
[13. Receive a presentation on the Roadway Impact Fee study maximum impact fee and discuss policy items for a roadway impact fee ordinance.]
BRUISES TO ITEM 13, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE STUDY, MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE, AND DISCUSS POLICY ITEMS FOR A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.UM, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME AGAIN TONIGHT AND, UM, BECOMING A REGULAR, UM, BUT, UH, I HOPE TONIGHT WILL BE A GOOD INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH, UH, SOME POLICY RELATED THINGS TONIGHT.
I REALIZED I CLOGGED UP YOUR AGENDA WITH A BIG FAT REPORT, BUT I HOPE THAT'S THE LAST TIME I HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST, THE FINAL DRAFTS, UM, WITH THE MAXIMUM FEES IN IT.
SO I DON'T INTEND TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL.
AND NOW IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT POLICY.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME INTERACTIVE STUFF, SO GET YOUR PHONES OUT.
WE HAVE SOME COOL POLLING QUESTIONS TO GO THROUGH TONIGHT.
SO FOR THAT ALL TECHNOLOGY WON'T, UH, KNOCK ON WOOD, UH, HURT US THIS EVENING, BUT REAL QUICK, THIS REMINDER OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE PROCESS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE I GET TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA HAVE DONE AS FAR AS, UH, THE POLICY SIDE OF THIS AS A BACKGROUND FOR TALKING THROUGH THINGS.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO TALK THROUGH KIND OF A FRAMEWORK THAT WE INTRODUCED LAST TIME, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY, UH, RELATED TO ROADWAY IMPACT FEES.
UM, AS I SAID, WE'RE KIND OF DONE WITH THE, THE REPORT STAGE OF THIS PROCESS.
UH, WE ALSO STARTED THE ENGAGEMENT.
WE, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WENT WITH Y'ALL, I KNOW SOMEBODY OVER THERE, WE, UH, DID MEET WITH THE, UH, STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
UH, WE'LL ACTUALLY SHOW YOU SOME OF THE SAME, UH, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THAT THEY HAD AND KIND OF COMPARE AND CONTRAST WITH THIS BODY TONIGHT AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION AND THEN WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
UM, THERE WAS A COUNCIL MEETING, UH, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE STUDY ASSUMPTIONS LAST WEEK.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THEM ON APRIL 7TH WITH A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THOSE OFFICIALLY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE MAXIMUM REPORT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT ARE THE, THE, THE FULL REPORT TONIGHT.
UH, WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL, UH, TENTATIVELY ON JUNE 2ND, ALONG WITH THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL WORK TO CRAFT BASED ON THE POLICY DELIBERATIONS HERE WITH THIS GROUP.
UM, SO JUST A REMINDER ON THE STUDY PIECE, THAT'S ALL, ALL IT DOES IS DETERMINE THE MAXIMUM.
UM, BUT WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO REMIND IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE POLICY DECISIONS, THEY ARE ADJUSTABLE, UH, AT ANY TIME, UH, THAT STUDY IT'S ADOPTED IS VALID FOR FIVE YEARS.
UH, AND SO IT SETS THOSE MAXIMUMS AND THEN IT'S AT THE LEISURE AND DELIBERATION OF, UH, THIS GROUP AND PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL DETERMINING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AT ANY TIME AFTER THAT.
SO, UM, JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT NOTE, THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS, BUT THEY ARE ADJUSTABLE.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE, MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THE FINAL, UH, MAXIMUM FEES.
THIS IS ACTUALLY WITH A CREDIT CALCULATION FOR AD VALOREM TAXES INCLUDED.
SO THESE ARE THE LAST TIME THESE NUMBERS SHOULD NOT CHANGE.
UM, THE NUMBERS ON THE LEFT IS THAT, UH, THAT VEHICLE MILE RATE.
SO IT'S FOR EVERY VEHICLE TRAVELING ONE MILE, THEN WE HAVE A BIG FANCY CHART TO CONVERT THAT FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, KIND OF WHERE THE NUMBERS FELL, NOT TOO DISSIMILAR FROM LAST TIME, BUT, UH, AND THAT KIND OF MORE DENSE AREA.
AND HE, UH, THE, THE MAXIMUM FEE WOULD BE JUST UNDER 1200 PER HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 3,400 TO ABOUT 8,800 WITH, UH, AREA IN THE NORTHWEST BEING THE HIGHER ENDS BD AND SEE BEING MORE UNIFORM ABOUT 3,500 TO 5,000 AS A MAXIMUM FOR HOUSE.
BEFORE I GO INTO THE REST OF THIS, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STUDY THAT'S ATTACHED TO TODAY'S AGENDA? KEEP GOING, NO QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO SHOW MY ONE QUESTION.
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YES.IF WE ESTABLISH THE MAXIMUM RATES FOR ALL OF THE, UM, AREAS, UM, ONE OF THE IN RESEARCHING ALL THIS, MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THIS, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, LET'S SAY I WANTED TO BUILD A NICE SIT-DOWN FAMILY RESTAURANT.
UM, THE CITY OF LEANDER CAN'T GIVE ME ANY REAL INCENTIVES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TAXES ARE STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
AND SO WE ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE WITH MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND IF WE SET THE MAXIMUM RATE FOR THEM, NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT GOING TO GET ANY INCENTIVES, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GET HIT WITH A HUGE BILL FOR ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO MY QUESTION IS HERE IS WHY WOULD ANYBODY BUILD IN LEANDER THEN THAT THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN.
AND IF WE SET THESE MAXIMUMS, ARE THOSE WRITTEN IN STONE? UM, CAN, CAN THEY BE ADJUSTED COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL? AND YES, AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD TONIGHT ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT, DO YOU DO DIFFERENT RATES FOR THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS? SO THESE MAXIMUMS, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE MAXIMUMS THAT ARE IN THE STUDY, THAT IS A CAP ON WHAT YOU CAN SET THE RATE AT.
AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT COLLECTION RATES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SET, AND THAT CAN VARY, HOWEVER YOU WANT ACROSS LAND USE ACROSS GEOGRAPHIC AREA, UM, AND EVEN OFFERING, UH, DISCOUNTS AND REDUCTIONS FOR CERTAIN THINGS IS ANOTHER PART OF THE POLICY THAT COULD BE PUT IN PLACE.
I HAVE, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS AND CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CONSIDERED DESIRABLE, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING HERE.
SO, UM, AS A QUICK REFRESHER, UH, EFFECTIVE DATES, SO THIS IS KIND OF HOW THE, ONE OF THOSE POLICY CONSIDERATION PIECES IS HOW, IF THIS WERE ADOPTED, HOW WOULD YOU ROLL IT OUT, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW IT AFFECTS PREVIOUS PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS HOW IT AFFECTS, UH, NEW PROPERTIES COMING IN AND DEVELOPING AND PLOTTING AND DOING BUILDING PERMITS AS A REMINDER AT A VERY BASELINE MINIMUM, UM, IF THIS WERE ADOPTED AND LET'S JUST SAY THE EFFECTIVE DATE WAS SET AS THE DATE OF ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW IT'S TENTATIVELY JUNE 16TH, UH, ANYBODY WHO HAS A APPROVED AND RECORDED FINAL PLATS IN THE COUNTY OR WITHIN THE CITY OF LEANDER, I WOULD HAVE ONE YEAR TO PULL BUILDING PERMITS WITHOUT PAYING FEES.
AND THEN AFTER THAT TIME BUILDING PERMITS, EVEN ON THOSE PLOTS COULD INCUR THIS FEE.
YOU CAN EXTEND THAT BY DOING DIFFERENT THINGS, SUCH AS SAYING, LET'S JUST HAVE THAT BE THE PROCESS, BUT SET IT OUT.
YOU COULD SAY, LOOK, WE'LL JUST SOME COMMUNITIES.
I'LL GO THROUGH ALL THESE IN A MINUTE.
I WOULD SAY YOU CAN EXTEND AND SAY, LET'S NOT WORRY ABOUT PLAT STATUS.
WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO COLLECT FOR A YEAR.
SO WE'RE STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW, BUT AFTER A YEAR, WE'LL START COLLECTING SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE 18 MONTHS, TWO YEARS DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, BUT WITH THAT DECISION JUST IMPLICATIONS, IT'S JUST THE LONGER YOU'VE EXTENDED THAT AND THE BROADER THE COVERAGE, THE LONGER IT TAKES FOR COLLECTIONS TO START COMING IN, TO PAY FOR PROJECTS.
UM, THAT'S JUST THE, THE KIND OF THE BRASS TAX PIECE OF THIS.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT THAT IS.
AND THEN SOME COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY WILL SAY THAT LET'S DO A PHASED IN APPROACH.
WE KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO A NUMBER, BUT GIVE IT SOME TIME.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE FOUND THAT AN ATTRACTIVE, UH, APPROACH TO IT SO THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO WHERE YOU WANT TO HIT RIGHT AWAY.
SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL, SOME OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
UH, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE ONES AROUND YOU, ALL THAT HAVE ADOPTED IMPACT FEES FOR ROADWAYS.
UM, ROUND ROCK WAS THE FIRST IN MARCH OF 2019.
UH, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY BASICALLY WANTED TO WORK WITH A CALENDAR YEAR SYSTEM.
THEY WANTED TO DO PHASED RATES.
UH, SO THEY BASICALLY STARTED WITH ONE RATE AND ARE SLOWLY INCREASING IT.
UH, THEY DID IT IN A THREE PHASE MANNER.
SO THEY STARTED IN 2021 COLLECTING ONE RATE.
THEY'RE GOING UP TO ANOTHER RATE IN 2023 AND THEN ANOTHER EIGHT IN 2020, SORRY, 20, 22.
AND THEN ANOTHER RATE IN 2024.
UM, SO THEY BASICALLY STARTED OUT WITH, UH, HOUSES AT 30% OF THE MAXIMUM AND THEY'RE WORKING THEIR WAY UP TO ABOUT 50 OR 60% OF THE MAXIMUM.
AND THEN, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL IS ALSO RATCHETING UP 20, 30, 20%, 30%, 40%.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE WAY THAT THEY DECIDED TO DO THAT.
AND THEN TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, THEY JUST SAID, WE JUST WON'T COLLECT REGARDLESS OF YOU'VE PLOTTED OR NOT BEFORE THIS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, BUT FOLKS GET TIME TO FINISH UP THEIR DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING SPOKEN TO, IF YOU ALREADY HAD AGREEMENTS IN PLACE OR AN EXISTING TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST HOW THEY HANDLED IT.
UM, PFLUGERVILLE HAD ONE OF THE MORE AGGRESSIVE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULES.
UM, THEY BASICALLY SAID WE'RE GOING TO GIVE FOLKS A FEW MORE MONTHS TO GET THEIR PLOTS IN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THEM, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN GET INTO THAT GRACE PERIOD OF ONE, ONE YEAR TO GET BUILDING PERMITS.
THEY JUST TOOK THE GRACE, THE, THEY TOOK THE STATE LAW MINIMUM AND JUST ADDED THREE MONTHS FOR FOLKS TO GET PLOTS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
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THERE SHORTLY THEREAFTER IN DECEMBER OF 2020, AND THEY SAID THEY WANTED THAT TO BE, UH, AN 18 MONTH PERIOD, UH, BASICALLY OF NO COLLECTIONS.SO THEY SAID, WE'LL WAIT TILL JUNE OF 2022, WHICH IS COMING UP IN A FEW MONTHS.
THEY ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE FOR FOLKS THAT HAD DONE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OR TIA, UM, THAT HAD DEFINED TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS OR COSTS FOR SITES, GIVE THEM THREE YEARS TO PULL BUILDING PERMITS.
UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT TIME THEY COULD BE SUBJECT TO AN IMPACT FEE, UM, AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN GEORGETOWN HAD PROBABLY THE, UM, THE MOST, UH, THE LEAST AGGRESSIVE, UH, FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, UH, SET UP ON THIS.
THEY ALSO WANTED TO DO PHASED RATES TO HAVE TWO PHASES, UH, ROUND ROCK-HARD THREE IN PFLUGERVILLE HAD TO, SORRY, I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT.
UM, AND THEY BASICALLY WANTED TO EXEMPT OR GRANDFATHER AND PROPERTIES AT THAT HAD ALREADY DONE THE TA AND EXEMPT THEM FROM IMPACT FEES.
AND JUST SAY, GO BY THE, THE TERMS OF THOSE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR TIA, YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, AND THEN THEY ALSO TIED THE, UM, GRACE PERIOD TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD SUBMITTED A COMPLETE PRELIMINARY PLATS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, IN, IN PFLUGERVILLE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A DEVELOPER COULD HAVE HAD HAVE A TIA AND IT'S DISREGARDED IN, IN TERMS OF IMPACT FEES.
THE LONGER ANSWER IS IF THERE WAS DEFINING FREEMANS AND THEY HAD POSTED FISCAL OR PUT MONEY, THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE DELTA AND THEN THE FEE WOULD BE RESULTING DELTA.
THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
YEAH, DEFINITELY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AND IT WAS A LOT TO GO THROUGH.
THESE ARE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND Y'ALL HAVE DONE IN THEIR, THEIR ORDINANCES.
UM, THERE ARE OTHERS, OBVIOUSLY IN TEXAS, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NEARBY.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING FUN.
SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO, CAN YOU GET YOUR PHONE OUT? UM, IT'S NOT THE EASIEST, UH, HYPERLINK ON THERE.
IT'S GOT MY NAME AS THE BASIS FOR IT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO TEXT THAT LONG STRING 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, OR PULL UP THIS WEBSITE@POLEEVIE.COM SLASH MY LOVELY NAME WITHOUT A T IN 1 62.
UM, LET ME EXPLAIN THE QUESTION AND GIVE Y'ALL A MINUTE OR TWO ON THIS ONE.
AND THEN ONCE YOU'RE IN, IT SHOULD BE QUICKER FROM HERE.
UM, SO THE FIRST QUESTION GETS AT THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO SHOULD IT, SHOULD THAT GRACE PERIOD BE EXTENDED AS YOU SAW ON THE OTHER SIDE, EVERY COMMUNITY HAS DONE SOME SORT OF EXPANSION, BUT IT'S QUITE DIFFERENT IN THE DEGREE TO WHICH THEY'VE DONE IT.
SO THE FIRST OPTION, UM, WOULD JUST BASICALLY BE KIND OF THE I'LL CALL IT THE, THE PFLUGERVILLE CASE THEY JUST SAID, HEY, IF YOU'RE PLOTTED, GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE SAYING, UH, HEY, LET'S JUST NOT COLLECT FOR A YEAR, BUT NOT WORRY WHETHER OR NOT THE PLOTS ARE IN THIS WOULD BE MORE APPLICABLE TO SOME SITES THAT MAYBE GET THEIR FINAL PLAT AND PULL A BUILDING PERMIT IN A SHORTER TIMEFRAME.
SO LIKE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF TIME WE'LL SEE, WILL COME IN, DO THEIR FINAL PLOT.
AND THEN, UH, WITHIN COUPLE MONTHS MAYBE PULL ONE PERMIT FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE OR A COUPLE OF BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, THE THIRD OPTION IS, UH, TO, TO MAKE IT LONGER AND ALSO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE PLOT STATUS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S MORE OF A CITY OF AUSTIN OR CITY OF ROUND ROCK APPROACH WHERE IT'S AN 18 MONTH OR A LONGER PERIOD THAN ONE YEAR, UM, D IS TO STICK WITH A STATEWIDE MINIMUM AND IS SOMETHING ELSE I'M ALSO HAPPY TO HELP WITH ACCESS IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY TROUBLE AS IT IS THAT WORKING FOR ANYBODY.
OH, YOU MISSED THE S RIGHT THERE BEFORE THE 1 62, ONCE YOU'RE IN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEANER, SORRY FOR THE CLIQUINESS.
SO SOMEONE'S GOT IN, THERE WE GO.
IF IT'S NOT WORKING ON THE OTHER ONE, YOU CAN ALSO TEXT AND IT SHOULD ALLOW YOU TO RESPOND THAT WAY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO DO TEXTS, YOU'RE GOING TO TEXT TO THE FIVE DIGIT NUMBER UP THERE.
2, 2, 3, 3, 3, AND THEN IT'S THAT ALL CAPS STRING THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IN ALL CAPS.
JUST THE, THE NAME WITH 1 62 AT THE END.
UH, AND THEN IT'LL PROMPT YOU TO RESPOND WITH THE ABC D R E UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO DO YOU HAVE SOME COMPARATIVES IN THERE NOW TO LOOK AT, UM, WHAT EXISTING PROPERTIES HAVE PAID EITHER WITH A TIA OR FEES IN LIEU OF VERSUS WHAT THEY WOULD PAY WITH THE, WITH THE NEW? YEAH, SO THE SIMPLICITY ON THAT, I WILL, WE WILL GET SOME SAMPLE DEVELOPMENTS AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.
BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS, UM, FOR THE ONES THAT, UH, DO THE
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FEE IN LIEU OF TIA, IT'S 250 PER HOUSE, THAT'S THE VERY SIMPLE BASELINE OR 250 PER PEAK HOUR TRIP, WHICH IS PRETTY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.UH, AND THEN I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ROAD ADEQUACY FEES, BUT SOMETIMES, UH, UM, THE TA WOULD ALSO DEFINE DIFFERENT APPROVALS, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PULL SOME SAMPLE DEVELOPMENTS AND COMPARE THEM.
I THINK THE COMPARATIVE WOULD BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY PASSING ON TO THE CUSTOMERS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT GOING TO EAT THAT COST.
SO THE INTENT WAS GOING TO BE TONIGHT JUST TO SEE, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, MAYBE AN INITIAL THOUGHT OF WHERE WE MIGHT LAND IN TERMS OF THE RATE, AND THEN WE CAN APPLY THAT AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
UM, BUT YES, WE CAN BRING THAT NEXT TIME.
I THINK WE HAVE TWO OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE STILL WORKING ON IT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES? SORRY.
AND THEN IF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET, YOU CAN, WE CAN SPEAK OPENLY.
SOMETIMES THE ANONYMOUS IS NICE, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING EVERYBODY'S RESPONSES AND INFLUENCING EACH OTHER, BUT ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TO THEIR DISCUSS WHY THEY VOTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
YEAH, I'M A C IT JUST SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE THAT, UH, LET'S LET DEVELOPERS GET THEIR PROJECTS DONE.
LET'S GIVE THEM A ENOUGH LEAD TIME TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
UM, WHEN THEY COME HERE TO DEVELOP PROJECTS AND I VOTED C AS WELL, AND I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD THROW OUT THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO THE DEVELOPERS TOO.
LIKE THE TIA, LIKE IF THEY'D DONE THE TIA, LIKE, LIKE WAS ASKED EARLIER IF YOU'D DONE THE TIA.
NO, WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING RID OF THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HONOR THAT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH YOU, ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO SAY WHY THEY PICKED ONE YEAR.
SO ON EACH OF THESE QUESTIONS, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL WHAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE, PROBABLY THE, THE SIMPLEST OF ONE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MORE INTERESTING ONES AS WE GO.
UM, BUT SO KIND OF REAL QUICK.
AND, UH, THERE WAS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UH, THE MAJORITY WAS ALSO KIND OF IN LINE, BUT JUST INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE THAT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE THERE.
I THINK FOR THE SOMETHING ELSE CATEGORY AS PEOPLE WHO JUST DIDN'T WANT THEM AT ALL, UM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE AS A THEME ON SOME OF THEM.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS KIND OF SOME VARIATION THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, I THINK FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE PLOTS A LOT, A LOT OF THE CRAB IS PROBABLY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CATEGORY.
AND SO FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LONGER BUILD TIMES ARE MORE, MOSTLY INTERESTED IN TRYING TO PRESERVE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENTS.
SO LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN, AND IF YOU CAN'T GET IN IT'S OKAY.
WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THE NEXT KIND OF QUESTION WE HAVE RELATED TO POLICY ON THE FRAMEWORK IS, UM, KINDA WHAT Y'ALL WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, BUT HOW WOULD YOU APPLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO EXISTING PROPERTIES? UM, BASICALLY KIND OF THE OPTIONS ARE, UH, EXEMPTIONS.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT OPTION A FOR, FOR FOLKS WITH DELHOMME AGREEMENTS OR SITES WITH CIS OR, UM, OR A SPECIFIC KIND OF PLOT STATUS, UH, OTHER ONES WOULD BE NO EXEMPTIONS, BUT DO A LONGER GRACE PERIOD.
UH, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE KIND OF MORE OF THE PAY.
LET'S JUST GO WITH THE STATE LAW AND DON'T DO ANY EXEMPTIONS AND APPLY QUICKLY.
I CAN IMAGINE MAYBE WORRYING ABOUT LAND, BUT LET'S SEE.
SO YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY EASY.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT DIDN'T GET TO PUT THEIRS IN WITH A DIFFERENT THOUGHT ON THAT? GOOD EXEMPT FOLKS? COOL.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HEARD, UH, THE LAST TIME AS WELL.
UM, IT IS INTERESTING THAT SOME FOLKS DID SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO EXEMPT.
I WISH I COULD HAVE THEM HERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED IT TO BE MOST OF THEM.
I THINK THE ONE THING THERE THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME THOUGH, IS WHEN YOU MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH SOMEBODY, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO SEE IS A YEAR LATER, THEY SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, HERE'S ANOTHER FEE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY.
THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE TIMELINE AND THE FEES UPFRONT AND MAKE THE DECISION.
DO I WANT TO COME TO LEANDRA OR NOT? SURE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT COLLECTION RATE.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTATION
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SCHEDULE? THOSE ARE KIND OF JUST SOME BASIC ONES ABOUT EXEMPTIONS AND, OKAY, GREAT.UH, SO FOR THE COLLECTION RATE, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S JUST LIMITED BY THOSE MAXIMUMS, WHICH IS KIND OF, WE WENT TO THE FIVE SERVICE AREAS STRUCTURE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS COULD BE A FLAT OPTION, A PERCENTAGE, OR YOU CAN ALSO VARY IT BY LAND USE OR CATEGORY.
I'M ABOUT TO PUT A BIG CHART UP THERE.
SO, UM, EVERYTHING IN BLACK, JUST TO BE CLEAR OR OTHER CITIES ON WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ADOPTED AS COLLECTION RATES, THE BLUE IS YOUR CAP IN LEANDER.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT WOULD BE THE COLLECTION RATE, BUT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE WHAT YOU CAN GO UP TO.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S A BIG RANGE, UH, FROM THAT SMALLER SERVICE AREA, YOU IN THE NORTHLAND AREA AND THEN THE OTHERS, UM, JUST KIND OF WALKING THROUGH THESE, UM, FROM RIGHT TO LEFT IS KIND OF THE AGE OF ADOPTION.
JUST, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT OF PROGRESSION OVER TIME.
UM, BUT, UH, SO NEW BRAUNFELS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A DOWNTOWN AREA AND IT WAS KIND OF A LOWER OR HIGHER DENSITY, LOWER NEED ON TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT REALLY LOW NUMBER REPRESENTS FOR THEM.
UM, ON THE SINGLE FAMILY, I'LL JUST START WITH THAT ON THE TOP ROW.
UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, IN THE AUSTIN METRO AREA, A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE ACTUALLY ADOPTED RATES KIND OF NORTH OF THE $3,000 MARK, WHICH IS KINDA INTERESTING CAUSE Y'ALL ARE FOR THE MOST PART, EXCEPT FOR ONE AREA Y'ALL ARE KIND OF KEPT, UM, IN A LOT OF AREAS IN THE MID, MID THREES TO ABOUT FIVE.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE HERE A FEW TIMES AGO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THAT IS JUST BECAUSE OF Y'ALL'S VERY INTENSE GROWTH RATE.
UM, JUST IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH IS EXPECTED IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT KIND OF GROWTH RATE IS VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE, THE MAXIMUMS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN LEANDER, UH, THAN OTHER PLACES, BUT, UM, FOR A LOT OF AREAS OF YOUR CITY, EVEN IF YOU ADOPTED THE MAX, YOU WOULD BE BELOW, UH, SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORING CITIES BASED ON WHAT THE RATE SCHEDULE THEY ADOPTED.
SO THAT'S JUST A GENERAL OBSERVATION AND REALLY GOING TO SINGLE FAMILY FOR THAT, UM, FOR APARTMENTS.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOSE ARE ABOUT, UH, 50 TO 60% OF THE FEE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
AND THAT'S JUST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THEY GENERATE ON AVERAGE.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS ON THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS DOWN BELOW, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABILITY IN THOSE, UH, FROM OTHER CITIES, A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE APPROACHED THAT DIFFERENTLY.
SOME HAVE GONE EXTREMELY LOW IN TERMS OF THE PR LIKE ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS AND OTHERS HAVE GONE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
UM, AND, UM, IN, IN MANY CASES WE'VE SEEN IT AS LOW AS 20% AND UP OF AS HIGH AS 50 OR EVEN 70% OF THE MAXIMUM, UH, FOR A LOT OF THESE THAT, UH, HAVE ADOPTED RATES FOR THE NON-RESIDENTIAL.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? I DO WANT TO ALSO MAKE A NOTE.
I DID BRING SOMETHING FOR THE END TONIGHT, IF Y'ALL WANT TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT, UH, IMPLEMENTATION SCHEMES, WHERE WE HAVE SOME COMPARATIVE GRAPHS AND CHARTS WHERE WE CAN DO SOME LIGHT EDITING AND PLUGINS AND SCENARIOS AND SEE HOW IT COMPARES.
W WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, THE ONE APARTMENT BEING LOWER, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF JUST FROM THE FOOTPRINT THAT IT CREATES, BUT YOU MEAN ONE APARTMENT UNIT, NOT, NOT COMPLEX.
I MULTIPLY THAT BY THREE TO 400 FOR A TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON IT.
SO JUST LOOKING AT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR GEORGETOWN, IF YOU DID THAT A 300 UNIT COMPLEX, UH, ON THE LOW END, THEY WOULD BE, UH, IN THAT FIRST PHASE OF RATES, IT WOULD BE IN THE ORDER OF ABOUT $650,000, ROUGHLY FOR ONE OF THOSE IS THE RIGHT STATE ADOPTED.
HOW WOULD YOU CALCULATE FOR LIKE TWO FAMILY? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF, I DON'T WANT TO SAY COOL.
UM, THERE WAS FOR, FOR TWO FAMILY, IT'S ABOUT FOR ATTACHED LIKE A DUPLEX.
SO THERE WAS A RECENT ADDITION TO THE TRIP RATES, UH, FOR TWO FAMILY, OR IT'S NOT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS WHAT THE CATEGORY IS.
IT'S ACTUALLY VERY COMPARABLE TO AN APARTMENT IN TERMS OF THE TRIP GENERATION.
THAT'S ACTUALLY DETERMINED TO BE ABOUT 60% OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AS A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSE.
UM, SO IT'S MUCH MORE COMPARABLE TO THAT SECOND LINE FOR A TWO FAMILY UNIT THAT IS, BUT THAT'S PER UNIT.
SO IN THEORY FOR THAT, YOU COULD, IF YOU DID A SIMILAR RATE STRUCTURE AND JUST THAT WE WANT TO DO A FIXED AMOUNT PER RESIDENTIAL, IN THEORY FOR THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE BUILDING FOR TWO UNITS, SO IT ACTUALLY MAY SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE POLICY DIFFERENTLY, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU READY FOR? NEXT POLL? HERE WE GO.
SO FIRST QUESTION, WE'RE GOING TO START SIMPLE.
UM, DO YOU ALL THINK THAT THE RATES SHOULD VARY DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY? UM, YEAH.
UH, WOULD IT BE FLAT OR NOT? I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT HE IS MUCH LOWER.
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PURPOSE OF THIS QUESTION TO CLARIFY, LET'S SAY EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF E BECAUSE THAT IS A BIT LOWER.WHAT SHOULD IT BE FLAT ACROSS THE REST? AND IT'S PART OF, KIND OF OUR STRATEGY WE TALKED ABOUT THROUGH ABC AND D OKAY.
I GUESS EVERYONE SAYS THAT IT SHOULD VARY.
DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN LIKE YOUR THINKING WITH EACH OTHER? I MEAN, IT'S FAIRLY UNANIMOUS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, SO THAT'S, THAT'S EASY, BUT THEN WE WANT TO SHARE WHAT I THINK OR WHY I THINK IT GIVES THE ABILITY TO, AND INCENTIVE, INCENTIVIZE DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN, AS WELL AS, UM, GIVEN THE, THE NORTHLINE PLUNGES.
IF YOU MAKE ONE FLAT RATE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE.
IT, IT SEVERELY LIMITS ANY ABILITY TO COLLECT YEAH.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MAY.
A LOT OF THAT, IT GIVES, I THINK WHEN YOU VARY THE RATE, UM, IT ALLOWS YOU TO INCENTIVIZE, UM, PLACES THAT WOULD PERHAPS OTHERWISE BE UNDERSERVED.
AND ALTHOUGH I'VE VOTED FOR A, BECAUSE I STILL THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER MANN WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT.
WE COULD DO ONE FLAT RATE FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR YES.
SO, SO HE HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT WE MAKE THE FLAT RATE ON THE OTHER 14.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SAID IS THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT A VIABLE OPTION WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE EXTREMELY LIMITED FOR THE REST.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, SO I THINK THE, MAYBE THIS, AND THIS IS ALSO FROM PAST EXPERIENCE, I'M READING BETWEEN THE LINES HERE, BUT I THINK FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, UM, AND SORT OF SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS GOING ON AT THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING, PEOPLE LOVE PREDICTABILITY.
AND I THINK THAT THERE IS ALSO KIND OF A FEAR OF, WELL, I'M GOING TO BUILD A SITE AND I'M LOOKING AT PROPERTIES, THAT'S GOING TO INFLUENCE MY DECISION OF WHERE I FIT MY PROPERTY.
IT IS VARIABLE AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING, I THINK THE COMMENT WAS, SO WHAT IF I LIVED ON A DIFFERENT SIDE OF ONE, ANY THREE, IS IT REALLY GOING TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT ACROSS THE STREET? SO THE ARGUMENT THAT IS THAT THAT'S JUST PART OF YOUR DILIGENCE ANYWAY, SO SURE.
SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT THE STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE WAS SAYING, BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW WE TALKED ABOUT HERE.
UH, SO MOVING ALONG IN THE FRAMEWORK OF, OF COLLECTION RATES, I THINK THIS WAS ASKED A FEW MINUTES AGO, UM, SHOULD THEY VARY BY LAND USE? LET ME EXPLAIN THESE REAL QUICK.
UM, SO, UH, A WOULD JUST BASICALLY MEAN LET'S NOT EVEN, WELL, WE'LL KEEP A UNIFORM RATE, BUT IT WILL STILL BE A DIFFERENT COLLECTION AMOUNT.
BASED ON THAT CONVERSION CHART, B WOULD BE, UM, REDUCE, UM, YOU COULD GIVE REDUCTIONS TO INCENTIVIZE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR THINGS THAT ARE DESIRABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
C WOULD BE, UH, YES, LET'S DO IT AND LET'S DO IT BY RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DIAZ.
I WANT TO GET EVEN MORE GRANULAR THAN THAT.
LIKE, LET'S TALK ABOUT INDUSTRIAL OR I WANT TO TARGET OFFICE SPACE OR OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE, UM, DESIRABLE ARE NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO DO YOU WOULD JUST BE TO GO FURTHER, SEE AS SIMPLE AND THEN, UH, BE AS DON'T DO IT, BUT YOU CAN REDUCE CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, THE PERSON WHO SAID JUST RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL ONE ON SAY WHY, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE REST.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT THOUGH.
THAT'S HOW HARD DOES IT MAKE IT ON STAFF WHEN WE START GETTING SO GRANULAR DOWN IN THE, IN THE IMPACT FEES? I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT, BUT I MEAN, CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BY VERY, MORE THAN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL, SO THE POTENTIAL IS THERE TO VARY THE FEES BY EVERY LAND USE CATEGORY AND BE DIFFERENT FOR EVERY SECTOR WITHIN LEANDER.
SO I, I CAN ACTUALLY ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR COMMENTARY OVER HERE BY MAY.
SO JUST KIND OF SPEAKING, JUST FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE, IF YOU HAD A UNIFORM RESIDENTIAL RATE, YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE CATEGORIES OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL, THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THEY PAY WILL VARY IF IT'S A TWO FAMILY, A SINGLE FAMILY APARTMENT OF A CERTAIN SIZE.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE VARIABILITY REGARDLESS ON THE COLLECTION SIDE.
UM, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A SYSTEM OF, FOR THIS BODY AND COUNCIL UNDERSTANDING HOW, WHEN YOU, THE MORE GRANULAR YOU GET AND YOU MAKE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, WHAT ARE YOU CHANGING AND HOW IS IT CHANGING? IT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT TO
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UNDERSTAND, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BETTER, MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT UNFOLDS IN AN IMPLEMENTATION SCHEME.UM, ONE COMMUNITY SOUTH, LIKE LITERALLY DID A DIFFERENT RATE FOR EVERY LAND USE IN THE, IN THE TABLE AND KIND OF CHERRY PICKED.
I, BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO, UM, YOU CAN GET MORE GRANULAR THAN JUST RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT GOING DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE.
I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT ITEMS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE RUN OUT OF TOWN.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF GETTING TO, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT OVERLY BURDENSOME ON THE STAFF SIDE OF IT WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO TARGET SPECIFIC TYPES OF LAND USES THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE.
I MEAN, THE END OF THE DAY THERE WILL BE A CHART AND AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS IT LAID OUT.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
I PROMISE, I PROMISE A LITTLE INFO QUESTIONS THEN.
UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS AN OPEN-ENDED ANSWER.
I DIDN'T GIVE YOU MULTIPLE CHOICE HERE.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND JUST CAUSE THAT'S A COMMON DEVELOPMENT TYPE.
THAT'S BECOMING THE LENA FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE, THE, THE TOUGH QUESTION.
DO Y'ALL HAVE A FEELING, UM, IF IT WAS A FLAT RATE IN THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF E OFFERING WITH THAT WAY, WHAT WOULD THAT NUMBER BE OR WOULD YOU RATHER MAKE IT A PERCENTAGE OF THE MAXIMUM AND EACH OF THE AREAS IT'S KIND OF, AS YOU ALL JUST SAID IN A MINUTE, IF IT DOES VARY, IS IT 50%, 20% SOMETHING ELSE? SO EITHER A PERCENTAGE OR A, UM, OR A FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, PICK ONE OF THE TWO AND ENTER IN, THEN WE CAN TALK A LOT.
AND DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT THE, UM, THE SURROUNDING CITIES WHERE THEY ALL DO IN PERCENTAGES OF THE MAXIMUM OR DID SOME ADOPT FLAT RATES? NO.
SO I'LL GO THROUGH ON THIS LIST HERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE, ON THE POLL QUESTION, BUT, UM, FOR THAT REASON, SO, UH, THE, UH, FLAT RATE WAS, UM, BROWN ROCK.
THEY WENT WITH A FLAT RATE ACROSS THE CITY.
THAT ONE WAS EASY BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR THREE AREAS WERE WITHIN FIVE TO 10% OF EACH OTHER.
UM, AUSTIN KIND OF DID AN INTERESTING STRATEGY WHERE THEY SAID THEY HAD A, THEY HAD A LOWER LIMITING AREA IN THEIR DOWNTOWN, BUT TO STAY UNDERNEATH IT, THEY JUST SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO, UM, IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE A 35% OF THE CITY AVERAGE AND THEN JUST MADE IT FLAT FOR THAT.
AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY HAD AUSTIN'S COMPLICATED.
THEY HAD A DIFFERENT TRIP LENGTH OUTSIDE OF THEIR MAJOR HIGHWAY SYSTEM ON THE OUTSKIRTS AND KIND OF SUBURBAN AREAS BECAUSE THEY, THEIR TRIBAL PATTERNS WERE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU GOT OUTSIDE OF 180 3 AND 360 KIND OF FURTHER OUT OF THE CITY IN 71.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S VERY, BUT IT WASN'T, IT WAS, IT WAS FLAT, IT JUST HAD TWO DIFFERENT TIERS IN THE SYSTEM.
UM, AND THEN MOST OF THE REST OF THESE WERE, UH, UH, VARIABLE RATES.
UM, SO GEORGETOWN WAS VARIABLE.
UH, PFLUGERVILLE WAS VARIABLE, BUT IT WAS, UH, BECAUSE ONE AREA WAS ABOUT HALF THE OTHERS.
SO THEY SET THE OTHER TWO THE SAME AND THAT MADE ONE HALF THE OTHERS.
SO, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS A PERCENTAGE BASIS.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO FOR IT.
SO WE GOT ONE TO ADVOCATE FOR PERCENTAGE THAT COME UP SLOWLY, SORRY.
I'LL LET, Y'ALL HAVE THE FLOOR TO TALK AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID FROM THAT STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY.
GIVE ME EXPLAIN WHAT I THINK 50% JUST, UM, YEAH, I, I, I THINK FOR ME IT PROBABLY, UH, I THINK IT GENERATES ENOUGH DE INCENTIVIZING DEVELOPMENT AND IN PARTICULAR PLACES.
I THINK IT'S ENOUGH CARROT AND ENOUGH STAFF.
YEAH, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT WAS EASY ONCE AGAIN, IT'S SIMPLE.
BUT THE OTHER THING WAS IS THAT SOME OF THOSE, LIKE THE NORTH WEST SECTION OF TOWN, THAT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE OUT THERE.
AND IF YOU GOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR $8,000, THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY.
50% OF THAT IS STILL A LOT, BUT IT MEETS THE NEED OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO GO IN UP THERE.
I WILL SAY FOR THAT AREA, THAT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY DANG CLOSE TO IN LINE WITH THE AVERAGE OF THE REGION.
UH, HAVE YOU GOT 50% OF THAT AREA? IT'S ABOUT 4,400.
SO THAT WOULD BE PRETTY, PRETTY COMPARABLE WITH, UM, OTHER AREAS AROUND Y'ALL HARLAND SIDE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN OTHERS, BUT, UM, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.
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UM, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT A LITTLE BIT LOWER NUMBERS, UM, THANKS.SOMEONE SAID, MIGHT'VE SAID TWO 50 TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO FOR THAT TA FEE.
AND LOU THAT'S KIND OF A, A KNOWN COMMODITY.
AND JUST FOR CONTEXT, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THAT CHANGED.
IT USED TO BE 126 PER HOW, UH, PER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ANNOUNCED THAT THE TWO 50, UM, AND ANOTHER FOLKS KIND OF SAID SOMEWHERE AROUND 1000 OR 2000, WHICH THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE 50% IN A COUPLE OF THE AREAS WOULD BE AROUND THAT KIND OF ONE TO 2000 RANGE.
AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMENTS.
UM, SOMEONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WELL THEY SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS RELATIVE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE, WERE LOWER AND LANDER.
AND THEN THEY ALSO, UM, SAID THAT THEY SHOULD, LEADERS SHOULD BE THE LOWEST STRIVE TO BE THE LOWEST.
UM, AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, MAKING IT A FLAT RATE BASED ON SIZE OF LOT.
SO SOME JUST OTHER OPINIONS THERE, INTERESTING KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, OR 100, AT LEAST.
UH, SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE, IT'S EASIER AS A PERCENTAGE JUST TO BE FRANK.
I MEAN THE, THE DOLLAR PER VEHICLE MILE IS REALLY HARD TO SAY.
UM, BUT IF YOU DID WANT TO GO FLAT, THAT WOULD BE A FLAT THAT WAY, OR YOU COULD DO A FLAT PERCENTAGE, RIGHT.
UM, SO FOR NON RESIDENTIAL, WOULD YOUR ANSWER BE THE SAME AS 50% OR SOMETHING ELSE SINCE WE KIND OF GOT RELATIVELY, UH, UNANIMOUS AND THE LAST ONE, THOSE ARE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ARE, THOSE ARE PRETTY HIGH NUMBERS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF 50% WOULD, UM, IT WOULD STILL BE HIGH NUMBERS.
I'M AFRAID IT WOULD HURT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE.
HERE'S WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE PERCENTAGE BY USE, RIGHT.
DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE WHEN THEY GO UP HERE, I PUT 25% BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE IT, UM, SHOWN THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USAGES IN OUR CITY.
AND I THINK WHEN WE DO THE COMPARISON DEVELOPMENTS, THAT WILL BE REALLY ENLIGHTENING TOO, FOR SOME OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE PAYING.
I DO SEE SPECIFICALLY WITH NON-RESIDENTIAL JUST FOR Y'ALL'S BENEFIT IN MOST COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HAD TIA POLICIES BEFORE IT IMPACT FEE.
IT DOES, DEPENDING ON THE NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SOMETIMES IT ACTUALLY IS, UM, LOWER FOR THE, UH, FOR AN IMPACT FOR YOU.
BUT IF IT WAS CLOSER TO THE A HUNDRED PERCENT MARK AND OTHER TIMES IT'S THE OPPOSITE.
SO IT'S KIND OF JUST DEPENDENT.
THE MOST COMMON EXAMPLE IS, UM, GAS STATIONS ON THE CORNER.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE PASSING BY THAT ON THEIR WAY HOME AND IT IMPACTS THE SYSTEM, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PAY LESS.
SO THAT'S JUST A COMMON EXAMPLE THAT SOMETIMES IT'S SURPRISING.
UM, AND THEN OTHER KINDS IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE USE.
SOMETIMES THE, UM, HIGH TRAFFIC INDUSTRIAL USES, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND AN IMPACT FEE SYSTEM.
SO IT DOES VARY IT'S 25%, 10%, 25 AND 30.
SO ALL KIND OF IN THAT LOWER, LOWER THIRD RANGE SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO WE CAN PROBABLY TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE GET INTO EXAMPLES AND START PLUGGING THE NUMBERS, SEE WHAT THAT WOULD DO.
AND THEN THAT'S PRIZES ZERO, ZERO AND 20%.
SO, SO WHEN SOMEONE WAS IN LINE, RIGHT, 20% WAS KIND OF AROUND WITH THE SIDE AND THEN, AND THEN SCRATCH IT.
SO, UM, SO HERE WE ARE AT THE POLICY DISCUSSION.
UM, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR SLIDES.
SO, SO ON THAT ONE, SO I SEE THE $0.
IF WE ADOPT A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE LIKE THIS, COULD WE SAY THAT RESIDENTIAL HAS ONE, BUT NON-RESIDENTIAL AS ZERO, CORRECT? YEAH.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT, YEAH.
UM, THE LOCAL EXAMPLE OF, UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY CITY OF GEORGETOWN, UH, THEY DID IT GEOGRAPHICALLY AS OPPOSED TO FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY HAD THEIR DOWNTOWN AT ZERO AND THEN THEY SET AN AREA THAT WAS MOSTLY OWNED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AROUND THEIR LAKE GEORGETOWN.
IT WAS SET AT $0 FOR EVERYTHING.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE, WHEN YOU HAVE THE, UM, THOSE MAXIMUMS ON THE STUDY, YOU COULD SET IT AT ZERO AND THEN COME BACK LATER AND SAY, NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO, NOW WE DO WANT TO CHARGE SOME MONEY FOR THAT.
BUT YEAH, YOU COULD, UH, CITY OF AUSTIN, ACTUALLY, THEY TARGETED THEIR EASTERN CRESCENT WHERE THEY WERE LACKING A CERTAIN LAND USES.
SO FOR GROCERY STORES AND BANKS, THEY MADE IT $0 ON THE EASTERN SIDE TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT KIND.
SO THAT'S A, IT'S A COMMON STRATEGY.
COULD YOU COULD FACE, SO YOU CAN FACE THAT, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL ZERO AT THE BEGINNING TO TRY AND LIVES.
AND THEN AS, AS WE'RE GETTING THAT FIELD,
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RIGHT.UM, ONE THING I WOULD SAY ON A, ON A PHASING STRUCTURE, THAT'S KIND OF THE, UM, SOMETIMES MISUNDERSTOOD UNTIL IT ACTUALLY GETS IMPLEMENTED.
IF YOU DO HAVE A GRACE PERIOD IN PLACE, UM, JUST KNOW THAT IT IS EFFECTIVELY ZERO FOR, AT A TIME DURING THAT.
SO JUST, JUST NOTE THAT, RIGHT.
I THINK TOO, HAVING THE PHASE, A RATES LIKE THAT, IT INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO BUILD NOW, UM, WHERE I, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS, UH, WHERE SOMETHING IS BEING BUILT NOW.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED IN 2012.
IT'S 10 YEARS LATER AND WE, WE NEED THIS, UH, TH THERE THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE COME IN NOW.
IT SHOULD BE, UH, A REWARD FOR PUTTING IT ON THE GROUND FIRST.
UH, I WILL MAKE A POINT ON THE PHASING.
THAT IS ONE THING THAT DOES MAKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED JUST TO BE FRANK.
UM, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE HAVING TO CHECK THE PLAT DATE OF EACH PROPERTY AND SEE WHEN THEY COME IN.
SO THAT, YEAH, I, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE LIKE 10 DIFFERENT STEPS.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, THAT IS THE ONE THAT DOES COMPLICATE A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, IT'S BETTER IF THEY KNOW THAT IT COULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MAXIMUM IN FIVE YEARS, IF THEY DON'T GET THERE, UH, WHERE IT'S AT, YOU KNOW, THE GRACE PERIOD OF TIME, NOW THAT'S A HUGE INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO START NOW.
AND, AND YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN CUT THIS AND PLAY THE NUMBERS.
IF WE WERE GOING TO GO UP TO LIKE A 25%, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO A 10 TO 20 THEN TO 25, BUT THAT'S OVER A PERIOD OF TIME OF LIKE THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
AND SO IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, MAN, UM, COMMISSIONER CROSSROAD WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO BUILD NOW.
SO WE DON'T WAIT 5, 10, 12 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THEY'RE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
WE NEED THAT MORE THAN WE NEED THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO I WOULD BE SUPER INCLINED TO DO THAT.
AND I'M SORRY, ROBIN, FOR SAYING THAT IF THAT'S GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, STAFF SHOP HARDER, I, I TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED, WE NEED, WE NEED THE DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN.
IF THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEN WE HAVE THE REVENUE TO HIRE MORE STAFF.
AND THAT KINDA, THAT KIND OF RELIEVES THE QUESTION.
I ADDRESS THAT ON THE NEXT ITEM.
THAT, THAT, THAT RELIEVES THE PRESSURE ON THE STAFF WHEN WE CAN HIRE MORE STAFF.
CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE HAVE MORE, MORE REVENUE COMING IN.
I DON'T EVER THINK IT SHOULD BE 100% OF THE MAX, NOT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
I JUST THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE WAY TOO HIGH FOR EVEN A SMALL, FOR A SMALL OR A LARGE BUSINESS.
EVEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, I THINK THAT'S A BIT HIGH.
I MEAN, WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN IT'S A HOUSE THAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING, IF TO MAKE MATH SIMPLE, IF THEY'RE SAYING IT'S $10,000 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE DEVELOPER MAY BE FINANCING THAT $10,000, BUT IT'S THE HOME BUYER, THE PATIENT.
I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOO, TO RECOGNIZE IT.
IT'S A PASS THROUGH COST, RIGHT? IT'S A PASS THROUGH CAR, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS, IT IS UPFRONT TO THAT BUSINESS.
AND IF I'M BUILDING A RESTAURANT AND I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN GEORGETOWN AND LEANDER AND LEANDRA IS GOING TO COST ME $80,000 IN ROADWAY, IMPACT FEES, AND GEORGETOWN IS GOING TO GIVE ME INCENTIVES AND ONLY $10,000, WHERE DOES THE RESTAURANT OPEN? I CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU BUILD HERE ON THAT COMMERCIAL SIDE.
IF YOU Y'ALL WANT TO HUMOR ME, I HAVE A FUN LITTLE CALCULATOR I CAN PLUG IN KIND OF WHAT DOES JUST THE INITIAL, JUST TO SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE 50 AND 25, JUST FOR KICKS AND GIGGLES, AND I'VE GOT SOME REVENUE, PROJECTION COMPONENTS TO THAT, AND THEN WE CAN BE DONE IF Y'ALL WANT FOR THE NIGHT.
SO, UM, AND THEN REALLY FROM HERE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL BEFORE THE JUNE 2ND COUNCIL MEETING, JUST THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
SO FOLLOW ME, LET ME FIRST SHOW YOU THE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF YOU WERE IN CHARGE OF THE KNOCKS BESIDE, I KNOW WE'VE ALL ADVOCATED THAT FOR THAT.
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UH, BUT JUST SAYING IF, IF, IF YOU WERE TO COLLECT THE MAXIMUM, LET'S JUST WALK THROUGH THAT CASE REAL QUICK.UM, AS A REMINDER, THESE WOULD BE THE, THE FEES AND THEY CHART FORM FROM 83.
SO IT WOULD BE THE, TO THE, UM, 1160 UP TO THE 88 0 4 AND THEN DIFFERENT ONES FOR THE DIFFERENT ONES ON THAT.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SHOW IS FULL SIZE HERE, UM, AS A COMPARISON TOWARDS OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEIR MAXIMUM WERE IN GRAPHICAL FORMAT, HOW Y'ALLS WERE AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THAT SIDE.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF, UH, REVENUE PROJECTIONS AT MOST, UM, IF YOU WERE TO CHARGE THE MAXIMUM, THE MOST, THE REVENUES THAT WOULD COME IN WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 191 MILLION OVER 10 YEARS.
AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M JUST USING THAT AS A BASELINE.
UM, ONE THING THAT I LIKE TO ALSO DO IS DO A REDUCTION TO THAT.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS THAT FIRST YEAR OR HOWEVER LONG, THE GRACE PERIOD WOULD BE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT ANY THINGS.
WE ALWAYS DO DISCOUNT FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER KIND OF INCENTIVES OR REDUCTIONS YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO OFFER.
WE CAN APPROXIMATE THAT AND TALK THROUGH THAT IN FUTURE MEETINGS.
UM, BUT ON THE ORDER OF THAT, ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS A ONE YEAR GRACE PERIOD, IT COULD BE LONGER, UM, CHARGING THE MAXIMUM WITH DEAL AT ABOUT 17 MILLION PER YEAR OVER THE LIFE OF THE NEXT 10 YEARS, ASSUMING THAT THE POLICY STAYS THE SAME.
UM, AND THEN JUST AS A PROPORTION OF THAT COLLECTION, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT, UM, AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT LEVEL, UM, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT EXPECTED IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS AT 93 MILLION FIGURE THERE, UH, THE, UH, APARTMENTS WOULD CONTRIBUTE APPROXIMATELY 12 TO 15%, AND THEN THE REMAINDER WOULD BE COMING FROM THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IF IT'S AT THE, AT THE MAXIMUM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AT THE MAXIMUM, IT IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY A 40%, MAYBE 35 TO 40% OF THE TOTAL, BUT THAT'S AT THE MAXIMUM WHEN YOU WOULD CHANGE IT TO 50 AND 25, YOU'LL SEE THAT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH SMALLER PROPORTION OF THE EXPECTED REVENUES.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME PIE CHARTS, UM, AND I'LL SHOW REAL QUICK.
SO AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE FEE, UM, YOUR TOTAL NEED IN THE CITY REAL QUICK.
SO YOUR TOTAL NEED IN LEANDER.
AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT I EXPLAIN THIS.
I THINK WE SHOWED IT A WHILE BACK, BUT I WANT TO REFRESH ON THIS AS THAT CIP AND THE COST TO FINANCE IT FROM DEBT.
SOME OF IT BEING THAT FUNDED THROUGH THINGS LIKE BONDS OR OTHER TYPES OF SERVICES, IT'S JUST SHY OF 400 MILLION, 392.6 MILLION OF THAT.
WE HAVE TO DISCOUNT WHEN WE COME UP WITH A MAXIMUM FEE FOR THE BLUE, RED, AND PURPLE AREAS ON THIS CHART.
SO YOU'RE STARTING AT THE, JUST THE GREEN PIECE OF THE PIE LEFT.
SO THE COST TO MEET EXISTING NEEDS ON THE ROADS THAT ARE THERE, THAT YOU'RE WIDENING.
THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF THIS TOTAL OF THE NEED.
UM, THE CREDIT THAT WAS CALCULATED AS FOR THE FUTURE PROPERTY TAXES THAT WOULD COME FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT ANOTHER 17%, UH, AND AROUND 70 MILLION.
AND THEN THERE'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, ONLY ABOUT 3 MILLION, UH, THAT WOULD BE LEFT OVER FROM THESE PROJECTS AFTER ALL THAT GROWTH COMES.
SO YOU'RE STARTING OFF AND SAYING THAT IF YOU WERE TO CHARGE MAXIMUM FEES IN THIS PROGRAM, YOU WOULD ONLY BE FULFILLING ABOUT 48% OF YOUR TOTAL NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY.
AND SO EVERYTHING FROM THERE IS A CUT ON THAT.
UM, SO NOW I'LL GO BACK TO THE 50 AND 25% AND WALK YOU THROUGH HOW THAT CHANGES REAL QUICK.
SO AT 50% OF THE TOTAL AND 25% FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, YOU'D BE LOOKING IN THE LOWEST AREA IN THE MIDDLE, UH, ABOUT 580 PER HOUSE FELLOW WOULDN'T EXPECT A WHOLE LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY AND THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE AREA, OR ABOUT 300 PER APARTMENT UNIT THREE 14 THERE ON THE BOTTOM, RIGHT.
AND THEN UP TO KIND OF ANYWHERE FROM, UH, KIND OF THE UPPER TEENS, UH, UP TO THE 4,400 IN THAT NORTHWEST AREA AND SERVICE AREA FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN ABOUT 60% OF THOSE NUMBERS FOR MULTI-FAMILY OR TWO FAMILY PER TWO FINLAND UNIT, UH, AND THAT AREA, UM, FOR THE, UM, THE RESTAURANTS, THE RETAIL AND THE OFFICE.
UM, SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT RESTAURANT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
UH, THOSE DEFINITELY WOULD BE AT 25% ON THE LOWER END OF THE SPECTRUM.
UH, I CAN PULL UP THEIR CHART BACK UP IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, BUT, BUT THEY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
AND AGAIN, WE CAN WALK THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL EXAMPLE DEVELOPMENTS WITH THIS NEXT TIME WE CAN ADD SOME OF THOSE TO THIS IS IN LIEU OF THESE KINDS OF JUST TOKEN ONES THAT WE HAVE UP HERE.
UH, AND THEN FOR OFFICE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, FOR 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT A THREE OR FOUR STORY, UH, A KIND OF BUILDING, UH, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM, UH, ABOUT 18,000 UP TO THE HIGH END ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE, 130.
UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME QUICK NUMBERS.
I CAN WALK YOU ALL THROUGH ON CHARTS,
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HOW THAT COMPARES.SO, UM, SORRY FOR THE SCALE ON THIS, THIS IS A SETUP FOR, FOR, UM, SOME BIGGER ONES, BUT I YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CHART, LIKE I SAID, YOUR, YOUR HIGHEST ONE IS REALLY KIND OF FALLING IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN OTHER ONES ARE KIND OF, PROBABLY ON THE LOWER ENDS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES AROUND Y'ALL.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL JUST SAY FOR THE 20, THE TEENS, THOSE AREAS THAT ARE IN THE TEENS IN THE MID TWO THOUSANDS, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE, UH, ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE, IN THE REGION AT THE 50% RATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
JUST, JUST TO BE FRANK EXCEPT FOR THAT NORTHWEST AREA.
SO JUST, JUST AS A COMPARISON AROUND NUMBERS HERE, UM, MULTIFAMILY, THAT WOULD ALSO BE THE SAME, UM, AT 50% OF THE MAXIMUM, NO, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT IT WOULD BE.
I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE REAL, THE REAL RESULTS AND HOW IT WOULD COMPARE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AT THE 50% LEVEL.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, MULTI-FAMILY SHOULD BE HIGHER ANYWAY.
UM, FOR RESTAURANTS, AGAIN, AT 25%, YOU WOULD BE, UH, ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE REGION, UM, AGAIN ON THAT ONE FOR, AND THIS IS NOT A, UM, YEAH, THIS IS JUST WHAT IT IS.
YOU'D BE ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE REASON AT 25%.
UM, AND THEN THE SAME GOES FOR RETAIL.
YOU WOULD ALSO BE, UM, YOUR, YOUR HIGHEST AREA WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, LOWER THAN ANYBODY IN THE AREA.
AND THEN FOR OFFICE, UM, YOU'RE ON THE LOW END, BUT NOT THE LOWEST PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, I MENTIONED THAT THING ABOUT ADDING THE TWO FAMILY EARLIER.
SO THERE'S NEW TRIP RATES AND THE TRIP RATES FOR OFFICE ACTUALLY INCREASED OVER 30%, UH, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS BASED ON JUST NEW DATA THAT'S COMING IN FOR PER OFFICE SPACE.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S CHANGED RECENTLY.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UM, REVENUE PROJECTIONS SIDE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY THAT NUMBER WAS KIND OF SOMETHING ON THE MAXIMUM ABOUT 17 MILLION YOU'D BE COLLECTING, UH, OR SORRY, 17 MILLION PER YEAR.
IT'D BE ABOUT 7 MILLION PER YEAR, ROUGHLY THAT COULD BE COMING IN FROM THAT.
I DO ALSO WANT TO MAKE A REALLY IMPORTANT CAVEAT THAT, UM, I SAY 7 MILLION PER YEAR, BUT THAT COULD BE IN CONTRIBUTIONS OR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO FOLKS WHO ARE BUILDING STUFF AS CREDITS TOWARDS THEIR FEE DOES NOT NECESSARILY EXPECT THAT TO COME THROUGH YOUR, YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE NUMBERS ON THAT, THAT BIG, BOLD NUMBER IN THE YELLOW BOX, AND I CAN BRING THIS TOOL BACK AND WE CAN GO THROUGH OTHER SCENARIOS IN THE FUTURE OR TODAY, IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, BUT WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS THAT OF YOUR NEED THAT 392 MILLION, WE WOULD EXPECT THROUGH INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT OR COLLECTIONS, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 80% OF YOUR TOTAL NEED.
SO WITH THE 1525, JUST GIVEN JUST A SIMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF EITHER REVERSAL 50, 20, CORRECT.
AND WE CAN RUN THROUGH OTHER SCENARIOS, INNOVATIONS THAT CAN SLEEP ON IT.
WE CAN COME BACK, WE CAN TALK MORE.
AND THAT'S ONLY TALKING ABOUT ROADWAY, IMPACT FEES AS, AS A PERCENTAGE OF OUR INCREASED REVENUE, NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ADDITIONALLY THROUGH, UM, TAXES AND SALES AND LAND TAXES, BECAUSE IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED IS GOING TO INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE REVENUE AS WELL.
SO INCENTIVIZING MAY ADJUST THAT NUMBER A BIT.
AND D DE-INCENTIVIZE, THEY MIGHT PROBABLY HAVE PROBLEMS BEING ON THE LOWER END FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER BEING HIGHER ON THE MULTI-FAMILY AND, AND, UH, MOVING FORWARD LIKE THAT.
INTERESTINGLY, YOU BROUGHT UP THE PROPERTY TAX, IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL, SO IT'S 68 MILLION EXPECTED FOR PROPERTY TAX AND THEN 69 FOR THAT SCHEME.
SO I JUST EXACTLY, SO THE FASTER WE CAN GET THERE, THE BETTER, WE'RE GOING TO BE SURE.
ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE AUSTIN, UH, IMPLEMENTATION.
THEY DID, THEY DID AN AVERAGE RATE THEN DID YOU SAID 35%, 35% OF THE CITYWIDE, AVERAGE CITYWIDE, AVERAGE OF ALL OTHER RIGHTS.
IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED, BUT IT MAKES SENSE WHEN IT'S A SINGLE NUMBER, BUT HOW THEY GOT THERE.
DID THEY, DID THEY BREAK THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, ANOTHER INCENTIVIZE, SOME BANKS AND SOME, YEAH, SORRY.
THE 35% WAS THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AND THEN FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE SORRY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, THEY ACTUALLY WENT HIGHER ON THEIR NON-RESIDENTIAL.
THEY WENT TO 50% CITYWIDE AVERAGE.
THEY WANTED A DISCOUNT RESIDENTIAL.
THEY ACTUALLY ALSO HAD A PROVISION IN THERE FOR REDUCTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND BASICALLY ELIMINATED THE FEE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS QUALIFIED.
IT WAS 80% OF THE MEAN HOUSING COST IS HOW THEY DEFINED THAT.
SO YEAH, THESE PROGRAMS CAN BE VERY CUSTOMIZED.
SO PLEASE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS TODAY? COMMISSIONER ANDREW, SOME QUESTIONS.
[14. Discuss and consider action on recommendations from the Planning & Zoning Commission for the FY 2022/2023 City Budget and CIP Plan. Staff Presentation Discussion Consider Action]
US TO ITEM 14, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS[01:50:01]
FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 22, 20 23 CITY BUDGET AND C I P PLAN STAFF PRESENTATION.SO, UM, AFTER THE, THE LAST PLAINS ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, I TOOK THE PROPOSED LIST OF ITEMS AND, UH, TRIED TO FIND HOW THEY WOULD RELATE BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE, UM, A PLANNING ANALYSIS THAT HAS EACH ITEM AND IN WHICH GOAL STATEMENT, UM, I FELT LIKE IT, IT MATCHED.
UM, AND THEN ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE ANALYSIS, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A PRINTED, UM, LIST.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, EACH PROJECT LISTED IN A PLACE TO RANK IT.
UM, SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW FROM THE COMMISSION, WHAT THE PRIORITY IS, SO WE KNOW WHAT TO PRESENT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO YEAH, WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY AND WE COULD TALLY THEM UP OR YOU COULD VOTE IT'S HOWEVER, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS EVERYBODY VOTES AND THE MANUAL WILL TELL YOU THAT AND GO FROM THERE.
THAT SOUNDS, AND I COULD BRING IT BACK AGAIN NEXT TIME WITH THE TALLY.
AND YOU, AND, UM, MR. BRADLEY, COULD YOU ALSO SEND IT TO THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT AREN'T PRESENT SO THAT THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT AS WELL? AND THEIR, THEIR VOICES BE HEARD.
SO IS THIS ONE WHERE YOU WANT TO SEND IT TO ME? ARE Y'ALL GONNA PROVIDE ME, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT TO THE COMMISSIONER SETTING, FILL IT OUT TODAY, RIGHT.
HANDS IT IN, AND THEN WE'LL GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, YEAH, BUT FOR COMMISSIONER MOSS IN HAMPTON, THEY CAN EMAILS.
THERE WAS A BACK END BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
I THOUGHT YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TAKING ALL OUR SUGGESTIONS.
AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
AND ONCE AGAIN, KUDOS TO, FOR DOING THAT, IT MADE IT A LOT EASIER WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.
SO, UM, THEN WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, HI, HI.
UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHEN WE HAVE THE TALLY OF ALL THE RESULTS.
I'LL SECOND THAT I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MAY ALL IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH THAT.
THE TIME IS 8 53 AND WE STAND ADJOURNED.