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          [1. Open Meeting.]
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          GOOD EVENING TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 21ST, 2022. 
          AND THE TIME IS 5:30 PM. 
          THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LANDER CITY COUNCIL 
          [2. Roll Call.]
CITY. 
          SECRETARY CRABTREE. 
          WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL? OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, KATHERINE ITALIAN PARKER HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME MACKEY LONGORIA HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON, PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS, OUR NAME HERE, MAYOR PRETEND BECKY ROSS HERE MAY CHRISTINE DE LA HERE. 
          COUNCIL IS PRESENT 
          [3.  Staff Reports 	Water Update 	Parks and Recreation Department Update 	Election Update]
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS STAFF REPORTS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A WATER UPDATE FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ELLISON. 
          OH, SWITCH FROM MR. GRIMSBY. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. GRIMSBY. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND UM, SO I GUESS WE CAN, WE CAN START. 
          SO YEAH, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND OR WATER SYSTEM AND KIND OF GIVE AN UPDATE AND, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, EVEN SOME OF THE WATER REPORT SLIDES ARE GOING TO BE LIKE, I GUESS, UH, EASIER ON THE EYES. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SAY, UH, IT WON'T BE A MILLION LINES AND NUMBERS AND SO FORTH GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE KEY, KEY, UH, PERSONNEL STAFF PERSONNEL THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING OTHER SECTIONS OF, UH, OF THIS, UH, REPORT AS WE GO ALONG. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START. 
          SO THE IDEAL OF THIS UPDATE WAS TO KIND OF LET COUNCIL KNOW WHERE WE ARE AS RELATED TO THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT TO COUNCIL ON, UM, AROUND OCTOBER TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT HAD, UH, A WATER STRATEGY THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO FOLLOW AND IT INCLUDED VARIOUS THINGS AS THE CIP PROJECTS, UM, UH, WATER REDUCTION IN LANDSCAPING AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE OTHER CITIES AND WHAT WE COULD OR COULDN'T DO WITH THAT AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, AND SO YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FOCUSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TODAY, UM, AS IT RELATED TO THAT. 
          SO WE'LL START OFF WITH, UM, THE LAKES AND, AND, AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WE, WE GET OUR WATER FROM LAKE TRAVIS. 
          AND RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT BULK LAKES. 
          UM, WE'RE SLIGHTLY ABOVE WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE NOT ABOVE IS WITH LAKE TRAVIS AND LAKE TRAVIS RIGHT NOW IS AT A LEVEL OF 669 FEET ABOVE MAIN SEA LEVEL. 
          UM, IT'S MAX IS ABOUT 6 81, IT'S 65% AND IT'S DOWN 12 FEET FROM LAST YEAR. 
          SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO US? THIS PARTICULARLY WE GET OUR WATER FROM LAKE TRAVIS ON THE BARGES, ALL, UM, TAKE WATER FROM THAT AND WINDOW, WHEN THE LEGS OUT, UH, AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, IT PROVIDES, UM, HAVE YOU WANT TO SAY MORE HEAD TO THE PUMPS AND THEY CAN PUMP MORE SO AS THE LAKE GETS LOWER, THERE'S LESS CAPACITY IN THE, AND POTENTIALLY IN THE PUMPS. 
          UH, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE WILL HAVE SOME BEARING ON NAP, BUT, UH, THE LAKE AND GO MUCH LOWER FOR, FOR, FOR THAT SYSTEM, THEN IT CAN FOR THE BARGES. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S WHY THE LAKE LEVEL WAS A CONCERN FOR US. 
          THE LOWER IT GETS, THE MORE, THE MORE DRAMATIC IT CAN BE AS FAR AS WATER CAPACITY. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW? UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS RIGHT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, UM, SANDY CREEKS DESIGNED FOR 12 MILLION GOWNS GALLONS PER DAY, BUT AS WE'VE MENTIONED, THE BACK IT'S BECAUSE OF OPERATIONAL LIMITATIONS IS CLOSER TO 10. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THE BCR UA WE GET, UM, ABOUT 15 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          UM, THE TOTAL THAT CAN BE PRODUCED BY THAT PLAN IS 32 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          UM, WITH THE REST OF THE 15 MILLION GALLONS, ESSENTIALLY GOING TO, UM, WHAT NOT ESSENTIALLY, THEY ARE GOING TO ROUND ROCK AND CEDAR PARK. 
          UM, THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THEIR PERCENT CAPACITY THAT THEY GET. 
          UM, SO THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL TREATMENT FOR US, IF YOU TAKE THAT BACK DOWN TO 10 AND WE HAVE 15, IT'S ABOUT 25 IN THEORY, WE SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 27. 
          UM, AND ONCE WE GET THE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT ONCE WE GET THE SANDY CREEK, UH, TREATMENT PLAN UP TO SPEED, IT WILL BE CLOSER TO THAT. 
          ULTIMATELY WE WILL. 
          AND WHEN DOES B, SORRY, YOU HAD TO GIVE IT SPELT OUT. 
          WE'LL HAVE 50 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY COMING FROM THAT PLANT AND OLEANDER WILL BE AT A BLISTERING 62 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH WILL BE, UM, PRETTY AWESOME. 
          SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ALSO HAVE 24,000 ACRE FEET, UM, A YEAR FROM ON CONTRACT WITH LCRA. 
          AND I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IN AN ACRE FOOT IS A, AN ACRE OF LAND COVERED WITH A FOOT OF WATER. 
          AND THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. 
          MAYBE SOME FARMER WHO HAD A AREA FLOODED, BUT SO AN ACRE FOOT IS AGAIN, AN ACRE OF LAND COVERED BY A FOOT OF WATER AND WE GET 
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24,000 OF THOSE IN A YEAR. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF, THAT'S A LOT OF WATER, UM, PER DAY, PER MA. 
          THAT'S ABOUT 21 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, AND THAT WOULD SERVE A POPULATION OF ABOUT 180. 
          UM, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AND ROBIN CAN CORRECT ME, BUT WE'RE ABOVE THE 80,000, UM, IN POPULATION, WHICH IS AMAZING. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRACKING FOR THAT 180 PRETTY QUICK. 
          UM, WHAT WE REALLY NEED FOR BUILD-OUT IS CLOSER TO 30 AND THE LONG RANGE SUPPLY REPORT ACTUALLY INDICATED 37, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT'S, UH, UM, IN THE PROCESS AND IT WILL COME TO COUNCIL. 
          THE 5TH OF MAY, WE'RE SENDING AN APPLICATION TO LCRA TO GET 34,000 ACRE FEET. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION SO WE CAN GET IN LINE, UH, BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RUN ON WATER, AND THEY'VE ALREADY INDICATED THAT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN LINE. 
          UM, SO THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET CLOSER TO THAT, UH, COMP PLAN NUMBER OF 225,000 FOR A BUILD-OUT. 
          SO WHERE WE WERE, WE WERE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE WHOLE CITY, UM, YOU COULD SEE, UH, THE VARIOUS PLANES THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE STILL HAVE THE FIVE I KNOW ON THE CURRENT PUMP STATIONS. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAD THE ONE INTAKE FROM BCR UA, THE MAIN ONE, UH, WE HAD A SMALLER ONE, UM, FOR HERE, UM, MAKEUP, WATER, ESSENTIALLY FOR THE, UH, UM, USED FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND, AND, UM, UH, THE TRAVIS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S OVER THERE. 
          SO, UM, SO WHERE ARE WE GONE? WE HAVE ADDED A LOT OF CIP PROJECTS, UM, AND, AND THEN SOME, SEVERAL WE'RE IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO WE'VE ACTUALLY COMPLETED THREE LARGE ONES AT THE SAN GABRIEL BOOST BOOSTER PUMP STATION. 
          UM, THAT WAS ABOUT A $5 MILLION PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN THE 2 24 INCH WATER LINES, UM, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND THEY WERE BOTH ABOUT 1.2 MILLION WHAT'S HAPPENING IN 22 THIS YEAR. 
          UM, THE SAN GABRIEL ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY PUT OUT FOR BID HERE IN SHORT ORDER. 
          UH, DETERMINED IS PUMP STATION IS UNDER DESIGN. 
          AND CURRENTLY IT'S AT 25%. 
          UM, BY THE WAY, THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS ABOUT 4 MILLION AND A TERMINUS PUMP STATIONS ABOUT 10.7. 
          UM, THE AMI IS, UM, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD, IS UNDERWAY. 
          WE'VE HAD, UM, UH, DID THE EVALUATIONS ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED, UM, SOME OF THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE NEXT STEPS FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S A $5 MILLION PROJECT. 
          AND THEN THE TREVISO ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS, UM, NOT QUITE IN DESIGNED. 
          WE HAVE TO FIND SOME PROPERTY AND WE'RE IN A, AN, A PROCESS OF FINDING LAND FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE BIG ONE IS THE SANDY CREEK WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          AND WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS FOR THAT. 
          UM, ONE IS THE SLUDGE, THAT'S ABOUT $10 MILLION AND THAT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THE SLEDGE, WHICH IS THE LIMITATION RIGHT NOW WITH THAT PLANT. 
          UM, WE CAN'T GET RID OF IT FAST ENOUGH, ESSENTIALLY, AND THEN TO HAVE HER REDUNDANT TRAIN IN THERE. 
          SO THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, IS THAT RIGHT NOW, WHEN THAT PLANT HAS TO RUN FULL OUT, ALL SIX OF THE TREATMENT TRAINS HAVE TO RUN, AND THEN YOU CAN'T REALLY SHUT ONE DOWN AND DO MAINTENANCE ON IT. 
          SO YOU HAD THE REDUNDANT ONE TO HAVE BE ABLE TO SHUT ONE DOWN, DO MAINTENANCE ON IT, AND YOU'RE STILL RUNNING AT FULL CAPACITY WITH ALL SIX. 
          EACH TRAIN IS EQUIVALENT TO 2 MILLION GALLONS. 
          WE HAVE SIX THAT'S THE 12. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE REDUNDANT TRAIN WILL BE, UM, VERY HELPFUL IN KEEPING THE PLANT RUNNING AT FULL CAPACITY. 
          SO SOME OF THE FUTURE ONES WE HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN DESIGN AND THE  WE'RE GOING TO, UM, THE PLAN IS TO START CONSTRUCTION ON MANY OF THOSE VERY THINGS THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. 
          UH, THE LAST ONE BEING THE RONALD REAGAN PUMP STATION, UH, WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO START THE DESIGN IN THAT, AND THEN A FUTURE DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND, UM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, FROM A DEMAND STANDPOINT WITH THE, UH, REGIONAL WATER PLANT, THE RONALD REAGAN, A PUMP STATION PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE BUILT MAYBE SOONER THAN LATER. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER TWO, UM, THE WEST SAN GABRIEL WEST PUMP STATION, WHICH IS NEEDED. 
          AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, THE RONALD REAGAN IN 2025, MANY OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN MOVED UP BECAUSE OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN AT 12%, WHICH IS JUST AMAZING. 
          UM, THE COMP PLAN HAS, UH, ITS LIMIT FOR THE MAC. 
          WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD DO WAS SEVEN AND A HALF. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT SEVEN AND A HALF COMPARED TO THE, SINCE 20 15, 20 16, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING AT 12%, 
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UM, THAT THAT'S THIS BLISTERING. 
          SO IT WAS SO THE RONALD REAGAN DESIGN AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY MOVED UP BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THAT GROWTH AND, AND, AND THE DIRECTION, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S NEEDED. 
          SO HERE'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF AT NOW. 
          SO WE COMPLETED THIS, THIS LINE RIGHT HERE. 
          I WAS 24 INCH LINE. 
          UM, IT'S A 72 INCH LINE HERE, AND THAT WATER IS THE WATER. 
          IT COMES FROM BCR UA. 
          AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO THE OTHER TAKE POINT, WHICH WAS ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          UM, THE OTHER 24 WEEKS ON WAS THE SAN GABRIEL LINE. 
          AND THAT ALLOWS WATER TO COME FROM THIS DIRECTION THAT BCRA, UH, MUCH EASIER. 
          AND IT CAN TRANSFER OVER WHAT YOU SHOULD NOTICE IS THAT THIS WHOLE SECTION RIGHT HERE WAS THAT PINK, WHICH WAS THIS, UM, PRESSURE PLANE. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS NEW LINE IN WITH THE SAN GABRIEL PUMP STATION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LOCATED RIGHT HERE, AS WELL AS, UM, IS THIS ALL TURN NOW TO BLUE? SO WHAT DID THAT DO THAT TOOK A WATER THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BAGHDAD PUMP STATION. 
          AND IT WAS COMING FROM CRYSTAL AND IT'S HAS LIMITATIONS THERE BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT PUMP STATIONS ONLY GOT TWO PUMPS IN IT. 
          AND THE SIZE OF THE LINE, THIS WHOLE AREA WAS STRUGGLING. 
          AND I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM GREATWOOD. 
          UM, FOLKS WAS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE PRESSURE, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM. 
          AND THEN, AND WITH THIS LINE AND YOU SHOULDN'T, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS I'D HELP LIBERTY, LIBERTY HILL. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE JUST TOOK OFF A CHUNK OF WATER THAT WAS PROVIDING ALL THESE PEOPLE AND THE 1 MILLION GOWNS POTENTIALLY GOING TO LIBERTY HILL. 
          SO, UM, THAT WAS A HUGE, THOSE TWO PROJECTS ALONE WERE HUGE BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE NOW WE CAN GET WATER WHERE WE ONLY COULD GET IT FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PUMP FROM SANDY CREEK IN A DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS NEW CONNECTION, WE CAN GET WATER, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY EASIER. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE ADDING WELL TO HELP WATER GET FROM SOUTH AND NORTH? UM, WE'RE ADDING THIS LINE AND, UM, KENLEY ACTUALLY WAS OUT MEETING WITH THE ENGINEER ON SITE. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING THIS, WHAT WE CALL LAKE LINE 16 INCH WATER LINE PUT IN PLACE. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT THE TERMINUS, UM, AND WE JUST STAYED AT PUMP STATION AND, UM, GROUND STORAGE TANK UNDER DESIGN, AND HOPEFULLY IN CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE SAN GABRIEL ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS DESIGNED AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE OUT FORBID IN SHORT ORDER. 
          SO, UM, THAT WILL BE ADDED. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT THE TREVISO ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS, SO THAT'LL BE ADDED. 
          AND THEN AS WE SAID NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, BUT THE RONALD REAGAN, UH, GROUND STORAGE TANK AND PUMP STATION WE'LL START DESIGN, UM, AND F Y UH, 23. 
          SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THOSE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY THE TERMINUS PUMP STATION AND GROUND STORAGE TANK AND THE RONALD REAGAN, UM, NOT FAR BEHIND IT, UM, THAT IS GOING TO HELP, UH, CONTROL WATER DEMAND FROM THE BCR UA SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EXCEED, UM, POTENTIAL CONTRACT LIMITS. 
          I DON'T MEAN TO GET YOU OUT OF HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          YOU CAN ASK ME AS MANY AS YOU WANT. 
          THE LAKE LINE IS AT 16 OR 24. 
          THAT'S A 16 INCH LINE. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN 16 OR IS THERE A 24 OVER THERE SOMEWHERE? IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE SAT IN A MEETING AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 24 HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO LOOKING AT ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT WE EITHER HAVE IN PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN PLACE OVER THE NEXT, SAY FOUR YEARS, I WAS ABOUT $80 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND THAT'S JUST WATER THAT DOES INCLUDE THE 37 MILLION PROBABLY FOR WASTEWATER AND ABOUT THAT MUCH FOR ROADS AND A HUNDRED AND PLUS 150 MILLION PLUS FOR THE , UM, CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO, SO PRETTY, PRETTY DAUNTING AMOUNT OF, UM, WORK, UM, GOING IN, UH, THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, NOT ONLY IN WORK, BUT JUST THE SHEER AMOUNT OF, UM, FUNDING AND AS THE, WHAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THAT. 
          SO THE KIND OF THE SECOND PART OF THAT, UM, OUR SYSTEM, EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS REALLY SYSTEM CAPACITY, MEANING HOW TO MOVE THE WATER AROUND. 
          UM, SANDY CREEK PROVIDES US THE WATER, BUT IT IS LIMITED TO THE 12 RIGHT NOW, 10, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET IT TO 12, BUT THE OTHER BIG ONE AND IT'S, THIS IS, ARE GOING TO BE OUR PRIMARY PLAN IS THE BCR UA. 
          SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE, UM, ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT WE LOOK AT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR SIX YEARS THAT NEED TO GET COMPLETED. 
          UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THAT. 
          SO, SO YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE RAW, RAW WATER PARALLEL LINE, UM, AND THAT IT, YOU KNOW, COLLAPSED AT DECEMBER OF 2021, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, BEFORE I GOT HERE, 20, 20. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S 
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YEAH, I GOT HERE IN 2021, SO, YEAH. 
          UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS REPAIRED BY MONTHS LATER. 
          THEY DO HAVE SPARE PARTS FOR THAT. 
          IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, UM, IT'S STILL A POTENTIAL ISSUE. 
          UM, WE DID SELECT AND WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD. 
          COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONTRACT AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. 
          THE LIMITATION IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LINE THAT WE CHOSEN IN ORDER TO SAVE SOME COSTS, BECAUSE IT'S A THROWAWAY LINE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A REDUCTION AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET FROM THAT PHASE. 
          SO WE THOUGHT WE COULD GET PROBABLY CLOSER TO 5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FROM IT, UM, A 10 AS A TOTAL US GETTING ABOUT HALF, BUT IT'S GOING TO REALLY BE CLOSER TO PROBABLY SEVEN. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THREE AND A HALF. 
          SO WE'RE LOSING ABOUT A MILLION GALLONS THEREABOUTS, UM, OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THE DEEP WATER, UM, INTAKE IS PUT IN, UM, THAT'S NO, THE LINE WAS BADLY DESIGNED. 
          WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE 1300 LINEAR FEET OF THAT BAD DESIGN SECTION INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE LINE. 
          UM, IF YOU WERE GOING TO PLACE THE WHOLE LINE AND TO GET EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER THAT YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE ORIGINAL, IT WAS GOING TO BE PLUS $10 MILLION. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSER TO THREE TO 4 MILLION. 
          SO THAT'S A LOT OF, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SAY FOR A LINE THAT YOU'RE NOT ONLY GOING TO NEED FOR ABOUT SIX MORE YEARS, MAYBE FIVE. 
          SO THE NEXT PHASE IS THE ONE D AND M THAT'S UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE IN 2024, ALTHOUGH SOME GRAPHS KIND OF SHOW IT IN 2025. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE THE URGENCY AND, UM, AND, AND MAKING THESE HAPPENING MORE QUICKLY. 
          UM, THAT COST IS ABOUT, UM, 16, UH, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, IT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE GOING TO GO UP. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS AT 16 MILLION THEREABOUTS. 
          AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL WATER LINE IS PROBABLY AROUND FOUR OR 5 MILLION. 
          NOW, PHASE TWO IS THE DEEP WATER INTAKE. 
          UM, THAT'S THE ONE YOU SAW THE BID TABULATIONS COME OUT. 
          AND, UM, UH, WE HAD, UM, THE, WE DID THE EVALUATIONS. 
          WE HAD, UH, I THINK SIX, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 PEOPLE COME ON, WE EVALUATED THEM. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE WENT THE STEP FURTHER AND, UM, I KIND OF TALKED TO THE, TO THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO MIGHT BE THE ONE THAT CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          AND SO, SO I'M A COUPLE OF THINGS ON ESSEN, AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE TOLD AT THE 27TH, UM, MEETING THE BOARD MEETING. 
          UM, BUT THE BID CAME IN, UM, FOR THAT AROUND THE, THE BASE CONTRACT FOR THAT PHASE TWO, A OR A PHASE TWO WAS $215 MILLION. 
          UM, INITIALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE 200 PLUS A CONTINGENCY OF ABOUT TWO 20. 
          WELL, THE BASE BID CAME IN AT THREE 15, THE PUMPS CAME IN AT 8 MILLION, SO THAT'S TWO 15 PLUS EIGHT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS 1.5 ADDITIONAL. 
          SO THAT WAS A TOTAL OF $224.5 MILLION. 
          UM, FOR THAT, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CONTINUANCY, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER 20 TO $25 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT, BECAUSE THE CONTINUOUS, YOU ESSENTIALLY WAS EATING UP BECAUSE THE BASE BID CAME IN, UM, SO HIGH. 
          SO, UM, THE OTHER PARTS OF THAT, THAT CONTRACT THAT, THAT STILL HAVE TO GO FORWARD IS THE 25 MILLION ABOUT FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICE CONTRACT AND THE ONE TO $2 MILLION FOR THE ACTUAL CONTRACT TO DO ALL THE TESTING OF ALL THE MATERIAL THAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO BUILD THAT PROJECT. 
          SO, SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THE BCR UA AND KAREN IS DOING IS THAT, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT ON IT HAD ON IT ORIGINALLY, UH, $219. 
          AND WE WERE APPROXIMATELY, UM, 40, 40, WELL, ONE 20 ROBERT. 
          AND THEN, UH, RON ROCK WAS PAYING THEIR 75 AND THEN 75, I THINK FROM CEDAR PARK AND OUR, JUST THROUGH THE SWIFT LOAN. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          SO THE DILEMMA IS, IS THAT THIS CONTRACT HAS TO GET LEFT TO KEEP IT ON TIME BECAUSE WE LANDED NEEDED ON TIME, ABSOLUTELY NEEDED ON TIME. 
          SO THE, THE BOARD, THE, THE BCRA IS WORKING WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND WE HAVE $36 MILLION THAT CAN BE USED FOR PHASE ONE D WHICH I TOLD YOU ABOUT. 
          AND ALSO FOR THE, UH, PEC PERMANENT POWER, THAT'S THE 20 MEGAWATT INDEPENDENT LINE. 
          THAT'S GONNA POWER THE PUMP STATION. 
          WE'RE PUTTING A TEMPORARY LINE IN CURRENTLY. 
          UM, I HAD A MUCH LESS COST AND NOW IT'S GOING TO RUN THE EQUIPMENT, THE BORING EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED TO MAKE THE TUNNEL AND OFF THE DOTTED LINE WOULD GO AWAY. 
          THEN THE PERMANENT LINE WILL BE BUILT. 
          WELL, THOSE TWO PRODUCTS TOTAL ABOUT 36 MILLION, AND THAT MONEY WILL BE TEMPORARILY BORROWED 
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IN ORDER TO FACILITATE FUNDING THE, UH, DEEP WATER INTAKE, THE PHASE TWO. 
          SO THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD AND FACILITATE, UH, MAKING UP THAT DIFFERENCE OF, OF FUNDS. 
          AND SO THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING, UM, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE WORKS OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. 
          UM, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT THERE. 
          ONE QUESTION YOU SAID, I THOUGHT I HEARD, YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE 36 MILLION, BUT WHERE IS THAT? BUT THEN YOU SAID WE NEED TO BORROW IT. 
          SO WHAT'S OUR CURRENTLY, IF YOU WANT TO SAY WITH THE VCR, I MEAN, DAY ALREADY, AND ROBERT CAN TALK A WHOLE LOT SMARTER, BUT THE MONEY FOR THE, FOR THE PHASE ONE D AND THE PERMANENT POWER WAS ALREADY IN HAND. 
          SO BE SARAH, YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT IN HAND. 
          AND THEY WERE TAKEN OUT 28. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IN HAND. 
          THE PROBLEM IS IF WE HAD TO GO GET MONEY FOR THE CONTRACT, AND THIS IS SMART THINKING ALL THE WAY AROUND, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FINANCIAL. 
          UM, AGAIN, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO KEEP THINGS MOVING. 
          IT'S SMART THINKING. 
          AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT HAS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I JUST KNOW NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS ABOUT IT, BUT THEY HAVE THAT MONEY ON HAND AND CAN USE IT. 
          AND THEY TALK WITH THE TEXAS WATER BELT DEVELOPMENT BOARD. 
          AND SO FAR THEY HAVE A GREEN LIGHT TO SAY, YES, YOU CAN RE REPURPOSE IT FOR THIS. 
          AND KNOWING THAT YOU'RE COMING BACK TO FACILITATE REPLACING IT ESSENTIALLY. 
          SO WE'RE BORROWING IT FROM WHO, UH, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD THROUGH THE SWIFT LOAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOT AS ROBERT HAS OTHER PLANS AS HE SHAKING HIS HEAD LIKE THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER WATER PROJECT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAS A, THOSE, THOSE, UH, THERE'S A LOT TO THAT. 
          LET'S MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MOVE ON, BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE UPDATE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR THIS PART SO FAR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNSEL, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE SO FAR ON THIS PART? I HAD A QUESTION. 
          SO WHEN THE LCRA CONTRACT, YOU GUYS ARE GONE, YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO STAND IN LINE TO GO ASK FOR THAT WHO'S WHO'S IN FRONT OF US. 
          AND IS THAT A REALISTIC POSSIBILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT 34,000 ACRE FOOT? SO, SO, UM, YES, YES. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          ONE IS THE APPLICATION WILL PROBABLY, YOU NEED TO, WHEN YOU NEED TO DO THE APPLICATION AND THEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS NOT AN EASY, UM, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE, UH, UPDATE THE TCEQ PERMIT FOR INTERFACING TRANSFER. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PROBABLY HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, HOOPLA WITH THAT, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH ENSURING THAT WE CAN TRANSFER WATER FROM TRAVIS COUNTY TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY, BUT WE WON'T HIRE THE CONSULTANT UNTIL WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO NO, BECAUSE THEY, THEY PROBABLY THAT'LL PROBABLY WOULD BE, NEED TO HAVE ALL KIND OF OCCUR AT ONCE KIND OF THING. 
          CAUSE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE, FOR SOME REASON WE COULDN'T GET INTO TRANSFER BASED ON HER OR SOMETHING, HERS, OR THERE WAS LIMITATIONS ON IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, UH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BUY A BUNCH OF WATER THAT WE CAN'T SEND TO THE REST OF THE CITY OR FUTURE GROWTH OF THE CITY, UH, IN THAT CASE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS. 
          SO WE WENT TO JEAN AND I ARE GONNA ACTUALLY GO INTO THE NEXT OWNERS MEETING. 
          AND THE LAST ONE, THEY INDICATED SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER, THEY'RE LOOKING AT AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY. 
          THEY HAVE, UM, UM, A, A WHAT THEY CALL AN OFF, UM, OFF RIVER OR OFFLINE, UM, RESERVOIR THAT THEY'RE BUILDING AND IT'S ALMOST DONE, UM, WHICH, UH, SUPPOSEDLY IS GOING TO GET AN ADDITIONAL 90,000 ACRE FEET. 
          THEY DO HAVE A 50,000 ACRE FEET THAT THE BOARD ITSELF ARE KIND OF RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SOLD 5,000 ACRE FEET OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES ON LINE IN FRONT OF US. 
          SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY OWNERS ARE PART OF LCR IS, UH, I HAD THE CHART AND I SHOWED IT ONCE BEFORE, BUT IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY 30 OWNERS. 
          WE'RE LIKE THE SECOND LARGEST, UM, BUYERS OF WATER. 
          WE'RE THE THIRD LARGEST OF ALL THE GROUPS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF SEVERAL CITIES, SOME SMALLER ONES. 
          UM, BUT YES, WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM, THEY KIND OF SAID, UM, WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL YOU SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, I GET IT. 
          AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. 
          AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, UM, IN MAY, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH MANY NET APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PART? OKAY. 
          I DO. 
          UM, COULD YOU PLEASE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE FOR WATER NEEDS AND DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY? THANK YOU. 
          OOPS. 
          UH, I'M OUT OF CONTROL. 
          I KNOW I'M HAVING TOO MUCH FUN UP HERE. 
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ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, UM, ON THE NOTES ON THE BOTTOM, RIGHT? WHERE DO YOU GET THAT ASSUMPTION FROM OF 118? WHERE AM I LOOKING AT? OH, THE ONE 19. 
          UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THROUGH ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, WE, WE KNOW KIND OF ON AN AVERAGE HOW MANY, HOW MUCH PEOPLE WERE USING AND, AND THEN DALE PUTS IT INTO MODEL AND KIND OF GETS A FIGURE ON WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          AND, AND THE REASON THAT NUMBER AND THE SAME WITH THE PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, INSTEAD SET A SEVEN 50 AND THAT'S AN, UH, A FUTURE ONE, UH, TECHNOLOGY IS GETTING BETTER, RIGHT? WE HAVE LOW FLOW SHOWERS. 
          WE HAVE LOW FLOW TOILETS. 
          THE, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS THAT WE PUTTING OUT THERE HAVE RAIN, SENSORS AND TIMERS. 
          AND I MEAN, THIS IS ALL KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AND PEOPLE IN GENERALLY ARE JUST USING LESS WATER BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT. 
          UM, AND SO THE AMOUNT OF GOWNS THAT A PERSON USES PER DAY, UM, IS LOWER. 
          BUT I MEAN, THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION, BUT IT'S KIND OF BASED ON ACTUAL DATA THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR THIS. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THESE WERE THE NUMBERS YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT. 
          WHEN WE TALKED THE OTHER DAY, YOU TOLD ME WE WERE AIMING FOR 40,000 ACRE FEET A YEAR, AND YOU GAVE ME THIS GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE AVERAGE FLOW PER PERSON IS 83 GALLONS A DAY. 
          SO IN THE WINTER AND TWO 70 IN SUMMER, WHICH AVERAGES OUT TO 1 77. 
          SO I'M IN A PANIC RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO YOU HAVE TO SOMEWHAT TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A SHOT TO SHOW YOU THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WINTER AND SUMMER WITH THAT IRRIGATION IS, IS HUGE. 
          NOW I DON'T DISAGREE, UM, THAT WE PROBABLY, WE COULD HAVE HAD THE NUMBERS BETTER. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE SUPER COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE IRRIGATION, THOSE ARE KIND OF W WE TRY TO GET THE CUSTOMERS AND DO YOU NEED, DID A GOOD JOB AND ADD THE NUMBERS UP AS BEST WE COULD TO FIGURE OUT WHO USED OVER 20,000 AND WHO USED OVER 10,000. 
          AND IT, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE USING OVER 20,000 GALLONS A MONTH ON YOUR LAWN, THAT'S CRAZY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS A MONTH, UM, WHICH IS A TON OF WATER. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MORE OF A, UH, THE SHOW YOU, AND GINO'S, IT'S UNDER THE SLIDE IN THE FUTURE ON THIS PRESENTATION COULD KIND OF TALK TO IT, BUT IT WAS KIND OF A, UM, UH, A WAY TO SHOW. 
          AND IT WAS OUR FIRST ATTEMPT AT IT. 
          CAUSE WE SHOWED THAT FIRST AND I THINK I WAS ON BOARD ALL OF A MONTH AND A HALF, AND WE KIND OF BRAINSTORM WHAT, HOW CAN WE SHOW YOU SOME DATA THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEOPLE USING WATER IN THE WINTER, WHICH IS SOIL DRAMATICALLY LESS THAN PEOPLE IN THE SUMMER. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT IS. 
          THIS IS, THIS NUMBERS ARE BASED ON WORKING WITH DALE AND OUR WATER MODEL AND DATA THAT WE, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO USE TO FACILITATE PROVIDING NUMBERS. 
          I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF US TO BE SUPPLIED WITH THAT DATA AND THE METHODOLOGY TO PUT US AT EASE OF HOW WE CAN TAKE THAT ASSUMPTION AND, AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE LOOKING AT THIS 270 GALLONS PER DAY, IT'S YEAH, THAT'S TERRIFYING TO ME. 
          SO, UM, JUST TO SEE HOW THAT CAME TOGETHER AND GIVE US SOME CONFIDENCE, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, ALL I HAD COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SECTION? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ASIDE. 
          WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THE PRESENTATION AND, AND AGAIN, WHEN IT, WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT VARIOUS PIECES OF DATA TOGETHER AS BEST WE CAN. 
          UM, IF WE HAD AN AMI SYSTEM, WHICH BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, THIS DATA WOULD BE, UM, UM, MUCH EASIER TO COLLATE AND BE ACCURATE BY TRYING TO GET BILLS AND LOOK AT HOW MUCH EACH METER IS, AND THEN FIGURING OUT THE LARGE USERS AND SMALLER USERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE IT'S TABULATING ALL THAT DATA, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, THAT'S GONNA TAKE US A LONG WAYS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE BASICALLY STILL USING SPREADSHEETS AND PAPER AND PENCIL TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          SO, SO THIS GRAPH, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ON THIS, SO I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE AS KIND OF AS BEST BEST WE CAN. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WE, WE, WE HAVE SOME ASSUMPTIONS, UM, UM, DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM BASED ON, UM, AS BEST WE CAN HISTORICAL DATA THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE, HOW FAST THINGS ARE GROWING OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS AT A, UH, AT A RATE THAT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE. 
          SO THIS WAS THE ONE, UM, THAT, UH, WE PROVIDED A SUMMARY IN JULY AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          UH, AND I HAVE THAT WITH ME. 
          I BROUGHT THAT AND WE, AND WE TRY TO PROVIDE A GRAPH AND I MADE SOME BAD ASSUMPTIONS THAT, 
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UM, THE OTHER CITIES HAD LOTS OF WATER AND WOULD BE WITH SELLING, WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL US WATER AND SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY BEFORE I GOT A LOT SMARTER, UM, THE GRAPHS, MIGHT'VE NOT LOOKED AS NEARLY AS BAD, BUT THEN, UM, I WENT TO A COUPLE OSI MEETINGS AND I LEARNED A LOT AND, UM, AND WORK WITH DELL AND THE TEAM BACK HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT. 
          AND WE GOT SOME BETTER NUMBERS. 
          UM, AS WE KIND OF TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT GROWTH AND, UM, WE USED HISTORY IN THE PAST SIX YEARS. 
          IT'S BEEN AMAZING. 
          IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT, BASICALLY 12%, EVEN THOUGH THE COMP PLAN SAYS SEVEN AND A HALF. 
          SO OUR BEST GUESTS AT THAT TIME BASED ON GROWTH AND WHERE THE CITY WAS GONE, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT WE USE IN 2021, WE USE 12 AND 20, 22, WE HAD 12 AND SO FORTH. 
          WELL ACTUALLY IN 2021, IT TURNED OUT TO BE, AND I'LL SHOW THAT NEXT TURNED OUT TO BE 13.5 OR 13.3. 
          SO WE EXCEEDED IT BY 1.3%. 
          YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S A LOT, BUT THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT ONLY GROW BY 1%. 
          UM, SO PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. 
          AND SO IN OCTOBER, WHEN WE SHOW THIS, WHAT WE TRIED TO SHOW IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LIMITED OUR CAPACITY. 
          OUR TREATMENT CAPACITY IS 25 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          AND WE KIND OF POINTED THAT OUT BEFORE THAT IT'S 10 FOR SANDY CREEK AND 15 FOR THE . 
          AND THE NEXT UPGRADE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS SANDY CREEK, WHICH WE'RE ON TRACK TO TRY TO GET DONE. 
          AND 20, 24. 
          UM, AND, UM, I'M GOING TO SAY WE'RE REALLY GONNA WORK TO GET THAT DONE AND NOT INCREASE US BY 2 MILLION GALLONS. 
          SO YOU SEE 27 MILLION GALLONS THERE. 
          WELL, UNFORTUNATELY IF WE FOLLOW AND AGAIN, THIS IS WORST CASE SCENARIO, VERY DRY TEMPERATURES AT 110 DEGREES. 
          WE'RE, HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING, WHICH IS NOT TRUE. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MORE IS THAT, UH, AND THE GROWTH DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          IT DOESN'T GO DOWN. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T GO UP AGAIN, BUT IT DOESN'T GO DOWN. 
          THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE POTENTIAL PEAK DEMANDS OF THIS AMOUNT. 
          NOW I'M GOING TO REMIND FOLKS, UM, AND I HAVE THAT DATA WITH ME AND IT'S REAL DATA. 
          THE PAST SIX YEARS, THE HIGHEST PEAK DEMAND WE'VE HAD IS 16. 
          SO 16 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY IS THE HIGHEST, SO FAR TO DATE, THE HIGHEST LEVEL WE HAD. 
          SO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE HAVE 25 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY CAPACITY, THE HIGHEST WE'VE REACHED SO FAR, EVEN WITH THE GROWTH AND EVERYTHING WE'VE HAD IS 16. 
          AND THAT WAS, UM, AND IT KIND OF A DRY SUMMER, I WANT TO SAY 2020. 
          SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT, WE HAVE A BUFFER THERE, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WATER PROJECTIONS AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING A SYSTEM AND YOU NEED WATER CAPACITY AND ESPECIALLY CORPUS CHRISTI WAS VERY TRUE FOR THIS. 
          YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRY THAT COMES IN WITH SAYS, I WANT 20 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, AND BUILD THAT PLANT TO THAT BECAUSE A BILLION DOLLAR PLANT, A REFINERY PLANT, ISN'T GOING TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE WATER. 
          AND THAT'S A FINE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT TO ASSURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE WORST POSSIBLE DAY. 
          WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN EXXON OR A, OR A STEEL DYNAMICS DEMANDING, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN. 
          NOW WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO INTO WATER RESTRICTIONS. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN A INDUSTRIAL PLANT BILLION DOLLAR ONE, OR THERE ABOUTS. 
          SO, SO MIRA MEMBER, THESE ARE, THEY GET RELATIVELY LARGE BASED ON, UM, WHAT WE THINK IS THE GROWTH AND W AND WE HAVE IT KIND OF EXCESSIVE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN EXCESSIVE. 
          UM, I REGRADE IT THAT WENT DOWN. 
          AND SO THE NEXT ONE IS ONE D WELL, I, NOW I NEED TO EXPLAIN ONE D ONE D IS THE ONE WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET 10 MILLION GOWNS, BUT THEN WE HAD THE RAW WATER LINE INCIDENT. 
          AND NOW, INSTEAD OF GETTING 5 MILLION, WHICH YOU WOULD SEE, WE WOULD JUMP BY 1,000,027 TO 32, AND THEN WE DON'T LOOK SO BAD. 
          NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET CLOSER TO 3 MILLION GALLONS, PROBABLY. 
          SO INSTEAD OF HAVING 32 MILLION GALLONS THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 30. 
          SO NOW THAT GAP IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE GET ONE D THAT MIGHT BE CLOSER TO 30, 31 UNTIL WE GET TO PHASE TWO, A WHERE THEN WE DROP UP DRAMATICALLY AND WE HAVE 44 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE OTHER CAVEAT HERE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH LIBERTY HILL FOR A MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. 
          YOU SEE, AS SOON AS THE PINK'S THERE, THAT WE JUMP UP TO FOUR, WHERE DID THE OTHER THREE COME FROM? GEORGETOWN. 
          GEORGETOWN HAS A CONTRACT WITH US FOR SEVEN YEARS, FOR 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. 
          WE DO THEY'RE RIGHT AT THEIR PEAK DEMAND. 
          THEIR PEAK DEMANDS LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO OURS, UM, UNTIL THEY GET THEIR WATER PLANT, WHICH I'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          SO YOU SEE THAT 4, 4, 4 ALL THE WAY ACROSS UNTIL HERE, AND THEN THAT'S THE SEVEN YEARS. 
          AND SO THE GAP, BUT THEN YOU LOOK BACK HERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE 44 
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AND THEN OUR WORST DAY IS 38. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH SPACE WE HAVE. 
          AND REMEMBER PHASE TWO, EIGHT, ISN'T EVEN OUR LAST ONE, WE STILL HAVE A PHASE THREE THAT ACTUALLY GETS US ANOTHER 20 MILLION OR 15 MILLION GALLONS, TOTAL, TOTAL OF 50. 
          SO WHEN PHASE THREE GETS BUILT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT MUCH MORE. 
          AND THAT'S THE END GAME OF LEANDER IS TO HAVE THAT FULL 50 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH WILL TAKE US PRETTY FAR INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO, SO WHEN YOU SEE THE BCRA AND WE HA AND WE'LL GET DALE TO DO THIS, OOPS, OH, WE'LL GET DELL TO UPDATE THIS ONE, WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE, BECAUSE THE RAW WATER LINE WAS STILL BEING WORKED. 
          WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DECIDE HOW, WHAT WE WERE GOING TO FIX, HOW MUCH, WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS WOULD THAT BE. 
          AND I HAVE A REPORT RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, THE SHOWING ALL THE DETAILS BEHIND THAT. 
          AND SO WE FINALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT SO DELL HAS AN UPDATED IT, BUT THE BCRA, THEY USE OUR NUMBERS, WHICH ARE THESE NUMBERS, AND THEN INCORPORATED, UM, THAT CHANGED BECAUSE OF THEIR WALLET, WATER LINE, DAN. 
          SURE. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          I KNOW IT'S RECENT. 
          THE DISCUSSION OF IF THE COUNTY WOULD PUT ARPA FUNDS INTO THE RAW WATER LINE, THAT IS TRUE. 
          IF THEY DID, I KNOW OUR PARTNERS MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO THROW IN ADDITIONAL, BUT IF WE WERE TO PUT IN THE SAME AMOUNT WE WERE PUTTING IN WOULDN'T COULDN'T, WE THEORETICALLY BUILD IT TO THAT RUN TO THE, TO THE CAPACITY THAT IT SHOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A THROWAWAY, AND THAT'D BE A DECISION THAT OBVIOUSLY BCRA AWAY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, IF WE WERE WILLING TO KICK IN THAT DELTA. 
          YES, THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE. 
          ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DECIDED UPON QUICKLY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THE BCRA, UH, WE AS A TEAM AND PARTNERS, UM, WAS GOING TO HAVE, UH, THE GENERAL MANAGER, KAREN SEND A LETTER TO THE COUNTY STATING THAT W THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING THE POTENTIAL OF GETTING $6 MILLION TO MAKE THE REPAIRS SO THAT WHILE WATER LINE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT $6 MILLION, UM, UH, IS THERE DIFFICULTY GETTING IT? HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO TRACK ON IT? YOU KNOW, IT'S GOVERNMENT MONEY. 
          SO THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS INS AND OUTS OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT YES, WE COULD, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY BE MOVED PRETTY QUICK, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAVE APPROVAL FOR THE DESIGN JUST TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THAT LINE DOESN'T NEED TO GET REPAIRED BECAUSE IN THEORY, THE REPORT INDICATED THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION IT'S IN, IT COULD FAIL AT ANY TIME. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY THE ENGINEER WHO DID THAT REPORT INDICATED HE WAS SURPRISED IT DIDN'T FELL BEFORE IT DID SO. 
          UM, SO THERE YOU GO. 
          AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO THIS IS, UH, WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          SO, SO SOME OF THE CHANGES WE MADE NOT TO INCLUDE THE  IS THAT NOW WE SHOW, UH, 13.3% AND WHICH REFLECTED THROUGHOUT THE NUMBERS, MEANING IT WAS AN INCREASE. 
          SO THAT INCREASED KIND OF BETTER THROUGH THE NUMBERS. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FROM THE LAST ONE TO THIS ONE, THEY CHANGED VERY LITTLE. 
          NOW, THE OTHER CHANGE WE MADE WAS BECAUSE WE'VE INTERNALLY MADE SOME, UM, TIER RATES AND SOME OTHER THINGS WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, STEPS TO REDUCE WATER. 
          WE HAD TO GIVE PROJECTIONS TO LCRA FOR THEIR WATER REPORT THAT THEY SEND OUT. 
          AND SO, UM, AGAIN, THE TEAM GOT TOGETHER AND WE SAID, LOOK, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING STEPS. 
          SO A SET OF MAKING THAT 12% WE THINK, AND IT WASN'T MUCH, BUT WE LOWERED THAT FROM 12 TO 10, CAUSE WE WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE, UM, WE THINK A REALISTIC NUMBER TO THE LCRA. 
          SO WHEN THEY PUT IT IN THEIR WARD OR REPORT, THEY HAVE REAL GOOD PROJECTIONS AS BEST WE CAN. 
          SO THAT WAS AN UPDATE THAT WE, WE MET WITH THEM LAST MONTH AND, UM, WE MADE THAT CHANGE. 
          UM, AND WE HAD DELL WITH US. 
          SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW TO FACILITATE LOWERING GROWTH. 
          SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A, UH, ENGINEERING, EDUCATED GUESTS. 
          AND PERSONALLY, WE KIND OF ALL HOPE THAT THAT ACTUALLY OCCURS. 
          MAYBE BE EVEN LESS. 
          UM, BUT THE, BUT THE TIMELINE IS, UH, STILL THE SAME. 
          NOW WHEN WE UPDATE THE BCR UA AND THIS NUMBER IS GOING TO GET LOWERED, THEN THESE NUMBERS WON'T WON'T CHANGE, BUT THESE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE. 
          AND THEN THAT GAP WILL BE, UM, UH, WILL BE LARGER, UM, IN THAT AREA. 
          AND JUST LIKE IN THE LAST ONE, WHICH WAS, UM, THIS ONE HERE WE SHOWED AND, AND WE STATED IN THE SECOND EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE PINK BOXES AT FIRST, THIS, THIS SUMMER, WE'RE NOT WORRIED 
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ABOUT. 
          AND I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER IN A MINUTE, THIS SUMMER IS A 5 MILLION GALLON PER DAY DIFFERENCE, AND THAT STARTS TO GET TRICKY THAT'S FOR SURE. 
          UM, SO IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE DEEP, UH, THE RAW WATER, UM, THING, THEN INSTEAD OF BEING FIVE IT'S SIX, ONE 6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY IS QUITE A BIT OF WATER. 
          UM, I MEAN, IT IS GOOD DURING THE WINTER, WE USE ABOUT EIGHT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THINKING IN TERMS OF THAT, UH, 6 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER, THAT'S ALMOST THE ENTIRE CITY OF LEANDER AND DURING THE WINTERTIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE THAT THE NUMBERS DIDN'T CHANGE AND WE ONLY CHANGED A COUPLE OF THINGS ON HERE. 
          THE LAST THING WE HAVE TO CHANGE TO UPDATE THIS PARTICULAR TABLE IS THE BSR UA, THE RAW WATER LOUNGE THAT WE HAVE ACTUAL REAL NUMBERS. 
          AND I HAVE THE DATA THAT ERIN SENT, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND HE, UM, CAUSE I HAD ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS ON, WAS IT REALLY THAT MUCH? WHY WAS THAT MUCH? AND HE SENT ME AN EMAIL TO, UM, INDICATE YES. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WE CAN SEND THIS TO YOU AND I WILL, BUT IT SHOWS YOU, UH, THE VARIOUS LEVELS AND IT SHOWS YOU THE VARIOUS LEVELS THAT IT COULD BE BASED ON THE LAKE LEVEL, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED. 
          LOTS OF VARIABLES. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHY IS THIS SUMMER NOT GOING TO BE MAYBE AS BAD? SO I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS. 
          THIS WAS ALL, UM, MIKE RIGHT OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          HE SAID, WE LOOK AT THIS TO YEAR, DECEMBER, DECEMBER, WHICH IS TRUE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PROJECTING, YOU KIND OF LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. 
          SO WHAT WE SAID IS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE ONLY LOOK AT IT TILL THE WORST PART OF THE YEAR, WHICH IS THE SUMMER, THE WORST PART FOR LEANDER OR ANY CITY THAT'S CLOSE IS JULY AND AUGUST. 
          THAT'S WHEN IT'S THE HOTTEST, THE DRY, AND EVERYBODY WANTS A WATER LAWNS. 
          THAT'S WHEN YOUR PEAK DEMAND IS THE MOST. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY GEORGETOWN JUST STARTED TAKING HER WATER. 
          CAUSE THEY REALLY ONLY NEED IT FOR THE SUMMERTIME. 
          AND IN WINTER THEY PROBABLY WON'T TAKE ANY, I WOULD SUSPECT. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF VITON, SHE REALLY CHANGED ANYTHING. 
          UM, WE KEPT THE GROWTH THE SAME, BUT WE SAID, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GO LOOK FROM, FROM JUNE TO JUNE, FROM LAST JUNE, DID THIS JUNE. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT BE? WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CONNECTIONS FOR THE NEXT KIND OF SIX MONTHS. 
          IT DID LOWER, UM, ALL THE POTENTIAL NUMBERS A BIT, BUT THIS ONE IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT, UM, CAUSE IT GIVES US TIME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          AND I SAID THAT BEFORE, UM, WHEN I GAVE THIS BRIEF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TIME FOR SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'RE DOING TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE TIER RATES, WATER REDUCTIONS, AND SO FORTH. 
          SO NOW IF YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'RE ACTUALLY BELOW. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS NUMBER, WE'RE ACTUALLY BELOW OUR CAPACITY AMOUNT, WHICH WAS, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          SO QUESTION IF FOR HER DO RIGHT, BUT YOU SAID THAT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE AN ESTIMATE OF THE CONNECTIONS FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE THE CONNECTIONS TILL JUNE. 
          AND REMEMBER FOR JUNE AND JULY, WE MIGHT HAVE A FEW MORE, BUT WE'RE NOT COUNTING THE CONNECTIONS THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN. 
          THESE ARE THE ACTUAL CONNECTIONS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THE WATER PROJECTION GOES DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SHOWING THAT THAT LASTS FEW MONTHS AND SAY FIVE MONTHS WORTH OF GROWTH. 
          AND SO IT DID, IT WOULD LOWER THEM. 
          SO IF WE LOOK AT IT SUMMER TO SUMMER, UM, EVERY SUMMER, EVERY THE CONNECTIONS PAST THAT THAT SUMMER ARE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE COUNTED IN. 
          BUT IN MOST OF THE TIME YOU JUST LOOK YEAR TO YEAR AS THIS, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENT WAY. 
          UM, THIS WAY WAS KIND OF THIS A DIFFERENT WAY TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DATA AND KIND OF FOCUS IN ON WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBERS REALLY ARE UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE, UM, WE HAVE A HIGH WATER DEMAND. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          SO THIS IS THIS KIND OF THE SHOW YOU THAT IN THEORY, BY LOOKING AT THE, KIND OF THE NUMBERS, THAT WAY, THAT THIS SUMMER, UM, IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF NO, NO BROKEN PIPES, NO DOWN POWER LINES, NONE. 
          UH, NONE OF THOSE THINGS, I HAVE ONE LITTLE QUESTION JUST ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE CONNECTIONS VERSUS WHAT WE'VE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THROUGHOUT TIME WE SOMETIMES ASK WHAT IS APPROVED OR IN THE PIPELINE. 
          SO WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING. 
          SO NONE OF THIS INCLUDES EXCEPT FOR THE LEGS, THE NECK NEXT SIX MONTHS, WHAT WE EXPECT TO COME ON LINE. 
          SO, UM, SO, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTIONS AND, AND DELL'S LOOK, WE, WE KNOW, AND IF YOU'VE HEARD THE NUMBER, I THINK 14,000 AND ROBYN CAN KIND OF GO THAT THERE SOMEWHERE WE HAVE ABOUT THAT MUCH, SOMEWHERE IN THE LINE, IT COULD BE A PLAID OR IT COULD BE A CONCEPT THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY BE IN A REVIEW THAT MAYBE THE PLANS ARE ACTUALLY APPROVED AND ARE GETTING READY TO START, BUT, BUT THESE NUMBERS MEMBER OR THAT GROWTH IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT CHART AND THEN THE PROJECTED GROWTH IS YOUR, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY THAT THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN TO TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE'VE APPROVED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO 
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EVEN MORE SO, SO, SO WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING, SO IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT LOOKS, BUT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THE FIRST, THE FIRST LIFE SHOULD BE DON'T PANIC. 
          THIS IS ABOUT WORKING THE SOLUTION AND FIGURING OUT THE BEST WAYS TO DO WITH, TO INCLUDE WORKING WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS ON AND SO FORTH. 
          WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO PANIC FOR THIS SUMMER. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT I'VE LET YOU KNOW. 
          AND WE HAVE ACTUAL DATA THAT THE HIGHEST, UM, PROJECTED PEAK DEMAND THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD IS 16.79. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WAS IN 2020, AND IT WAS A DRY HOT YEAR. 
          AND I ACTUALLY HAD THE WEATHER DATA THAT IF YOU NEEDED TO SEE THAT, AND I COULD SHOW YOU BETWEEN 20 AND 21 AND THE TEMPERATURE WAS ALMOST ABOVE A HUNDRED DEGREES. 
          AND THEN LAST YEAR, IF YOU LOOKED THIS LAST SUMMER, IT WAS NICE. 
          AND JEAN AND I WERE LIKE RAIN AND LOW TEMPERATURES, GRAY. 
          UM, IT WAS SO THE PEAK DEMAND THIS PAST SUMMER, UM, WAS ONLY 14.74. 
          SO THAT WAS A DROP OF 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, JUST BECAUSE IT RAIN AND THE TEMPERATURES WERE 10 DEGREES ON AVERAGE, LOWER THAN THE SUMMER BEFORE WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. 
          UM, THOUGHT I THINK I SAW A QUESTION FROM PRETEND WELL, YEAH, SO WITH THE 16 MILLION GALLONS, IF, AND THAT WAS IN 2020, AND WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW SUES ARE AWAY. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU PROJECTING IN HERE WITH THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS TO HAVE A, A NEW POTENTIAL MAX? NO, THIS, THIS, THIS IS IT. 
          CAUSE REMEMBER THIS IS WHERE IT'S, THIS IS LIKE IF WE HAD NO RESTRICTION ON WATERING AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROLS ON, ON HOW MUCH PEOPLE PAY, LIKE TIERED RATES, WHICH WE GOT INITIATED THIS PAST JANUARY, AND WE ARE IN STAGE TWO OR PHASE TWO ONCE A WEEK WATERING, WE'RE NOT IN UNLIMITED, SO THAT'S BEEN ONGOING. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER THINGS, UM, THE COUNCIL THEMSELVES HAVE TAKEN PHASE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, STICKING TO THE COMP PLAN AND A FEW OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, ALL THAT IS, IT'S NOT IN THIS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT WATER PROTECTION AND WATER PROJECTS, IT SAYS, YOU'RE GONNA JUST GO INTO TOWN. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE WATERING YOUR LAWNS. 
          EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE BUILDING OUT THE YANG GANG AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ACT LIKE WE HAVE PLENTY OF WATER. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS KIND OF SHOWING. 
          SO WHEN YOU SEE THE PROJECTIONS, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT, BUT THAT'S THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE WORST KIND OF POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDER PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS MY POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO BASE THINGS ON NUMBERS FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THAT. 
          SO, SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION GROWTH AND IT'S ON THERE AND YOU LOOKED AT THE LAST SIX YEARS, UM, OR EVEN WATER CONNECTIONS, YOU KNOW, IN 2015 WE HAD 13,000 AND IN 2021, WE HAD 26,000. 
          THAT'S ALMOST A DOUBLE IN SIX YEARS WHERE THE POPULATION KIND OF DID THE SAME THING. 
          UM, THE POPULATION WENT FROM 43 AND NOW IN 2021, I GOT ON MY CHART HERE, 86, 1 OF THE NEXT SIX YEARS, WHICH WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, UM, AGAIN, WORST CASE SCENARIOS, WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 26,000 WATER CONNECTIONS TO 44,000 WATER CONNECTIONS, WHICH ISN'T QUITE DOUBLED, BUT PRETTY CLOSE. 
          AND THE POPULATION WILL GO FROM 86,000 TO ABOUT 148,000. 
          UM, WHICH IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS WITH THAT, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          UM, I JUST GOTTA REMIND EVERYBODY. 
          IT'S JUST, THAT'S ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER CONNECTIONS, THESE ARE JUST, IS IT CONSIDERING COMMERCIAL EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL IRRIGATION, IT'S WATER CONNECTIONS. 
          SO THERE'S WHERE I'M NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING THE PROJECTIONS BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THIS BREAKNECK GROWTH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, GOING UP AND UP AND UP. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT ON THE LAST TWO CHARTS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US, UM, STARTING WITH NEXT YEAR, A DROP AND THAT GROWTH TO 10%. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN 10% IN A HANDFUL OF YEARS. 
          UM, WHY ARE WE PROJECTING TO LOWER GROWTH THAT SOON INSTEAD OF BEING SO FROM HERE TO HERE, WE'RE SHOWING, UM, 20, 21 13 0.3% 2022, THAT WAS THAT 13 IS THE GROWTH FROM 20, UH, 20. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE, BUT THAT 13 IS SHOWING THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR OF 2021, MEANING THAT STARTING DECEMBER OF 28 THROUGH 2021, THAT'S THE GROWTH THAT WE HAD. 
          SO WHAT YOU GOT SEEING IS THE POPULATION HERE. 
          AND IF I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IT IS BECAUSE I JUST HAD IT UP AT SOME POINT, THE PERCENTAGE GOES DOWN JUST BECAUSE IT COULD BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ADDED TO THE CITY, BUT THAT THE POPULATION IS HIGHER. 
          SO IT SHOULD GO DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN 20 AND 2020, THE POPULATION WAS 76,000. 
          AND SO IT WENT TO 86,000. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING IT. 
          SO I JUST, WE, WE'RE JUST NOT, WE'RE ONLY SHOWING YOU FROM 2021, BUT MY GRAPH IS FROM 2015 WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE DATA BACK IS, YOU KNOW, SIX 
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YEARS TO SEE, SEE WHAT IT REALLY IS. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S A CHANGE IN THE PERCENTAGE. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE ADDED CONNECTIONS. 
          IT'S LESS WELL. 
          SO IN 2020, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SPREADSHEETS AND PAPER AND PENCIL HERE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING, NO, LET JUST A MINUTE, WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING AND TALKING ABOUT FINANCE, WE'RE ALWAYS PLANNING WORST CASE SCENARIO AS THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF COSTS. 
          WE TRY TO BE THAT CONSERVATIVE. 
          AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER, WHY WE AREN'T TAKING THAT SAME PRINCIPLE AND SAYING, OKAY, IF WE HAVE AT LEAST THE SAME GROWTH RATE NEXT YEAR, AS WE'VE HAD THIS PAST YEAR, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          LIKE. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR FAILURE. 
          IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WORST SCENARIOS, WELL, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WORST SCENARIO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR LOWERING, THE 10% IS WORST SCENARIO. 
          I DON'T HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC. 
          SO IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE I TELL PEOPLE, AND THIS IS, THIS IS MY EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I HAD TO DEAL A LOT WITH PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES. 
          THEY THINK THEY FLOOD GOBLET BY THE COAST, MY ENTIRE LIFE, JUST ABOUT. 
          SO THEY SAY, WHY DON'T YOU BUILD FOR A HUNDRED YEARS STORM, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ONLY BUILT FOR TWO YEARS STORM? UM, UM, I WROTE MY BILL FOR A 10 YEAR STORM. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGER TRANSMISSION OR A CHANNEL IT'S BUILT FOR 50 YEAR STORM OR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. 
          AND AS I SAID, IT GET BIGGER AND BIGGER. 
          SO THINK OF BIGGER, BIGGER LINES, BUT YOU'LL HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU BUILD MY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 100 YEAR STORM? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PIPING AND THE SIZE OF THE PIPING THAT WOULD BE TO SUPPORT A HIGH INTO YOUR STORM WOULD BE IMMENSIVE. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS? SO WE USE ROADS AND PEOPLE THINK, WELL, MY, MY, MY NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODED, WELL, NO, THE ROADS ARE CONVEYING THE WATER LIKE THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO. 
          AND THE WATER IS NOT IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          IT MIGHT BE IN YOUR YARD. 
          SO YOUR HOUSE IS NOT FLOODED PER FEMA STANDARDS. 
          SO THE WATER DISAPPEARS IN SHORT ORDER, BUT IF WE BUILT IT FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT. 
          WELL, THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR. 
          YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PICK THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM OR A THOUSAND YEAR STORM BECAUSE PERCENTAGE WISE, THEY ONLY HAPPEN EVERY A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          AND SO WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A 15% BECAUSE ONE, WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT. 
          BUT TWO IT'S SOMEWHAT UNREALISTIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BRING IN ENGINEERING AND EXPERTS. 
          THEY SAY GROWTH SHOULD BE. 
          NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AND THE LONG RANGE, UH, STUDY AND, UH, REGION CASE PROJECTIONS, WELL FOR LAND OR THEY'RE WAY OFF AND PROBABLY FOR SEVERAL OTHER CITIES FOR THIS AREA AND WHO KNEW THE SAMSUNG AND TESLA AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME HERE. 
          SO OF COURSE THAT, I'M SURE IT THROWS OFF CERTAIN PROJECTIONS, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          NOW, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY I WANT 15% ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE BECAUSE YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THESE WOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD BE BUILDING, PUTTING IN PIPE FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM THAT WE DON'T NEED. 
          THAT'S FAIR, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          15% ALL THE WAY ACROSS THERE. 
          I'M SAYING, WHY WOULD WE IN THE NEXT YEAR, DROP IT 2% WHEN WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DROP, REALLY 'CAUSE, WE'RE, WE'RE USING OUR EXPERTISE AND ENGINEERING, UM, EXPERIENCE FROM OTHER AREAS TO SAY, WE'VE INITIATED TO YOUR RACE. 
          AND WE KNOW THEY WORK. 
          OTHER CITIES WE'VE TALKED TO THEM. 
          UM, EVEN RON ROCK, CEDAR PARK, WE KNOW THEY WORK. 
          SO WE'RE, SO THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING OTHER, UM, IDEALS, UM, THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE. 
          SO WE'RE SAYING THAT'S GOING TO DROP, UM, WE'RE IN STAGE OR PHASE TWO ONCE A WEEK WATERING. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AN EFFECT, BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH RATE, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHERRY CALCULATING THE GROWTH, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION? WHERE'S IT COMING FROM WHAT'S THE FORMULA FOR THAT, THAT WE'VE PUT INTO MEASURES OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS CLAPPING ABOUT THAT 12% AND HIGHER. 
          AND WE WERE LIKE, THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WE OUTGREW THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS WHAT IS THE FORM OF A, HOW ARE WE GETTING, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GROW AT 10%. 
          HOW DID WE GET THAT NUMBER? AND I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT AND YOUR THEORY AND YOUR APOTHEOSIS, HOW WELL THE QUESTION IS WHEN YOU ALL CAME UP WITH 10%, WHAT MADE Y'ALL PICK THAT NUMBER? IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S NOT LIKE A, A PULLOUT OF A PHYSICS BOOK. 
          YOU KNOW, THE FORMULA FOR FAST, NO FORCE EQUALS MASS TIMES ACCELERATION AS A PROVEN THEORY, WE'RE USING OUR BEST GUESS. 
          THERE IS, YEAH, THERE'S AN ESTIMATE WHERE WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE COMP PLAN AND OTHERS USE SURROUNDING CITIES, THEY USE HISTORICAL DATA. 
          THEY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA THAT IT IS INDUSTRIAL COMING IN, OR FUTURE PLANS COMING IN. 
          AND THEY TRY TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT. 
          UM, AND CORPUS WAS THE OPPOSITE WAY. 
          THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET FOUR OR FIVE AND IT WAS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO ONE OR TWO. 
          SO IT GOES THE OTHER WAY. 
          SORRY, DAN. 
          YOU'RE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING SENSE. 
          RIGHT? WHAT IS THE GROWTH RATE FOR THE CITY AS A CITY? DO WE NOT KNOW WHAT OUR GROWTH RATE? 
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WELL, YOU HAVE YOUR HAVE YOUR ACTUAL, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR COMP PLAN GROWTH RATE, WHICH WAS PROJECTED AT SEVEN AND A HALF. 
          AND THAT WAS THE WORST CASE. 
          BUT LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SAY, JUST THROW IN ONE THING. 
          AND THIS IS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE STOCKS YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          YES. 
          YOU CAN HAVE A HUGE CLIMB, BUT USUALLY AT SOME POINT THERE'S USUALLY A BREAK POINT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A THOUSAND PER SHARE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THERE IS SOME TAPERING OFF. 
          THERE IS SOME EFFECT NOW. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU, YOU DO HAVE TO CONSIDER WE'VE BEEN AN OUTLIER. 
          WE HAVE BEEN AN OUTLIER IN MANY WAYS, BUT AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER PLACES AND OTHER REGIONS TOO, THAT GREW FAST, A LOT OF THE TAPERING OFF DOES HAPPEN INCREMENTALLY EVEN SOMEWHERE AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND POPULATION. 
          THERE'S USUALLY SOME TAPERING OFF. 
          NOW THAT USUALLY ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT OTHER THINGS SUCH AS ECONOMIC CYCLES. 
          UM, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT INTEREST RATES. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THE THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S MANY FACTORS. 
          SO THE COMP PLAN IN 2020, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN 21, HAD A SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT CORRECT. 
          THAT I KIND OF GO BACK TO THAT PAST PERFORMANCE. 
          ISN'T ALWAYS AN INDICATOR OF FUTURE PERFORMANCE WITH STOCKS. 
          I DO THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUPPLY CHAIN, UH, WE'VE EVEN HAD THE DISCUSSION ON, UH, PEC TRANSFORMERS THAT IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO SAY THAT YOU'D HAVE SOME TAPERING OFF. 
          IF YOU HIT, YOU KNOW, $4 GAS, UH, IF YOU START GOING 7% INTEREST RATES THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS. 
          WE JUST HAD A MEETING WITH PC WHO BASICALLY TOLD US THAT, UH, THE PARTS WE NEED TO FACILITATE IMPROVED. 
          SURE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TON OF STUFF THAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT 10%. 
          I THINK THAT'S HOW I SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          THERE WAS A CATCH-UP RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE WAS UNFETTERED GROWTH. 
          THEN THERE WAS A, HEY, WE CAN'T DO THIS. 
          AND SO KIND OF GATES WERE KIND OF CLOSED AND NOW THE 10, BUT WHAT, THE THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, AND THIS IS FOR FUTURE COUNCILS. 
          IF IT APPROACHES THAT 10, THEN Y'ALL NEED TO SOUND ALARMS AND LET THE COUNCIL MOST, AND Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM BEFORE IT GETS TO 10, EIGHT OR SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE, HEY, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, AND ROBIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO COVER THAT. 
          BUT SO THE 2020 COMP PLAN WAS FINISHED IN 21, I BELIEVE BY OUR ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW, IT APPEARS THAT RESIDENTIAL IN THE 2020 COMP PLAN IS ABOUT FIVE YEARS OUT. 
          AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT, UH, ONLY 12% COMMERCIAL. 
          SO I WOULD SUSPECT, AND ROBIN'S RUNNING THOSE NUMBERS TO THE COMPARISON. 
          HOW MUCH FURTHER IN YEARS ARE WE THEORETICALLY BEHIND IN COMMERCIAL? AND THAT'S ALSO, YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN COVID AND MORE PEOPLE AT HOME, THE TECH INDUSTRY NEXUS TO THIS REGION. 
          UH, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS. 
          SO I WOULD JUST GENERALLY SUGGEST AS Y'ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, STICKING TO THE COMP PLAN AND LOOKING AT REZONINGS ARE CONSIDERING THEM, JUST THE THOUGHT OF LETTING COMMERCIAL CATCH UP TO RESIDENTIAL AS A GENERAL CONCEPT, BECAUSE LET'S SAY WHERE WE ARE 200,000 PEOPLE AND WE'RE BUILT OUT. 
          YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO WAKE UP AT THAT POINT AND HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE INTENDED TO BE COMMERCIAL REZONED, TO RESIDENTIAL, EVEN IF YOU HAD THE WATER CAPACITY, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU'LL BE REBUILDING THINGS, UM, WITH GENERAL FUND. 
          AND SO I WOULD JUST THINK ABOUT HAT, LETTING THE COMMERCIAL PIECE CATCH UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND I WOULDN'T LET THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TELL YOU WELL, BECAUSE REMEMBER THEY TOLD YOU YOU NEEDED TO HIT 50,000 TO GET GOOD THINGS. 
          NOW THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU NEED TO GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO GET, GET THE GOOD THINGS, BUT THERE IS AN IMBALANCE RIGHT NOW WHERE RESIDENTIAL IS OUT AHEAD IN THE COMP PLAN SO THAT OTHER TAX BASE IS NOT THERE. 
          SO IF IT DOES SLOW, LET'S SAY IT SLOWS BECAUSE WE HIT 10% INTEREST RATES. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH, UH, FEE REVENUE COMING IN ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THAT COMMERCIAL TAX BASE. 
          I NEED ANOTHER THING WE CAN'T CONTROL IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SHIFT IN THE, IN PEOPLE MOVING TO VARIOUS STATES FOR VARIOUS REASONS. 
          AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S TOUGH. 
          THAT'S WHY ALMOST EVERY PERSON WHO DOES THE POPULATION PROJECTION, UM, INVARIABLY GETS IT WRONG. 
          IT'S EITHER TOO LOW OR TOO HIGH OR, OR, UM, SO FORTH. 
          THERE'S NOT A MAGICAL FORMULA THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT LIKE PHYSICS OR CHEMISTRY THAT YOU CAN JUST PUT THE TWO, CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAT CAN OCCUR TO INCLUDE LAND SPACE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, UH, CEDAR PARKS, A FINE EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY TELL US AND ROBIN WILL SHAKE HER HEAD UP AND DOWN. 
          BUT I THINK THEY TOLD US THEY HAD ALL OF FIVE PERMITS FOR RESIDENTIAL, LIKE THE LAST MONTH WHERE WE HAD LIKE 500, 
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UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILT OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANY MORE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ANYWHERE. 
          AND SO IT WAS ROBIN GOING LIKE THIS BECAUSE SHE'S NOT, THEN I'M IN TROUBLE. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK SHE WAS HOW MANY, HOW MANY APARTMENTS THAT, THAT WAS LAST AUGUST IS WIPED OUT. 
          SO I TALKED TO SAM WHO HE, AND HE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR GROWTH IS UNBELIEVABLE. 
          HE'S THE ACM FOR CEDAR PARK AND THEY'RE, THEY, THEY HAVE A HANDFUL OF PERMITS THAT THEY'RE DOING FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY LANDLOCKED. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. 
          BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH AVAILABLE USEFUL LAND IS OUT THERE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THIS. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, GEORGETOWN WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST THE OPPOSITE, THEY HAVE SO MUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, CHELSEA IS LIKE, I MEAN, WE GOT, AND AS YOU DRIVE DOWN SOME OF THE ROADS, THEY'VE GOT STUFF BEING BUILT EVERYWHERE. 
          BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS IF WE STICK TO THE COMP PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS, THAT'S GOING TO HELP AND THAT'S GOING TO KEEP US, TEND TO SUB SEVEN, MAYBE IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THE MARKET MAY BE PUSHING YOU PAST THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR AS THINKING, WHAT COULD YOU DO TO, WITH REZONINGS WITH EVERYTHING? WHAT COULD YOU DO? WHAT OTHER TRIGGERS COULD YOU DO TO GET CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL COMP PLAN ESTIMATES? UH, I WAS, I KNOW IT WAS THAT A 12% GROWTH OVER A SIX YEAR PERIOD. 
          IS THIS, I MEAN, I SHOULD, THAT WAS TONS OF RED FLAGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOING UP EVEN AFTER FOUR YEARS. 
          THAT'S THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. 
          I JUST KNOW EVERYBODY SAYS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, 12% GROWTH, THAT'S THIS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR ME, THE, MY CONCERN, I GUESS MAYBE IS MORE ELEMENTARY THAN WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THIS RATE, WE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 THROUGH 2021. 
          AND IF YOU TAKE THE PERCENTAGE OF GROWTH AND JUST AVERAGE EACH YEAR, WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS AND USE THAT AS A BASIS FOR GOING FORWARD, I STILL DON'T SEE HOW WE DROP JUST NEXT YEAR IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT PREPARING FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN. 
          THE SAME SITUATION THAT WE'VE BEEN IN IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON PAPER. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE THE ATTITUDE AND ABSOLUTELY GO FULL BORE AND SAY THE SKY IS FALLING. 
          AND THEN WHEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND YOU OVERBUILD, YOU THEN HAVE TO ANSWER THAT CALL BECAUSE YOU SAID THE SKY IS FALLING AND IT'S THE WORST, WORST CASE SCENARIO. 
          AND, BUT IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A S IT WAS A STORM, A HURRICANE SEAT, CORPUS CHRISSY, RARELY. 
          BUT WHEN THEY DO IT'S REALLY BAD, BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD EVERYTHING FOR THAT 100 OR 500 YEAR STORM EUSTON HAD A 500 YEAR STORM, MAYBE A THOUSAND, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO FIX SOME OF IT, BUT THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T DESIGN EVERYTHING. 
          THEY CAN'T SAY THE SKY IS FALLING EVERY SINGLE DAY OR EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING TO GET A, A 500 YEAR STORM. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TO BUILD TO THAT. 
          I RESPONSIBLY CAN'T I RESPONSIBLY AS AN ENGINEER AND, AND, AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EXPERTISE WITH IT. 
          I CAN'T RESPOND YOU TO SAY IT'S 10% OR 15% FOR FOREVER BECAUSE THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE. 
          THAT'S LIKE TELLING YOU ALL, YES, THIS IS BAD, BUT DON'T PANIC BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T. 
          BUT IF I'M PUTTING 15% IN THERE, THEN I'M BEING IRRESPONSIBLE BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THE SKY IS REALLY FALLING. 
          AND THEN WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, UM, WELL THEN YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE YOU? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? UM, KIND OF THING. 
          I WANT TO BE CLEAR. 
          I'M NOT SAYING 15%. 
          NO, I'M JUST SAYING FOREVER, BUT I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND EVEN TO GO, I JUST HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT EVEN TO GO 10, 10, 10, AND THEN EVEN KEEP IT AT SEVEN AND A HALF OUT, THE 20, 28 IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. 
          EVEN IN MY BOOK. 
          UM, I WOULD BE IMPRESSED THAT IT, IF IT ACTUALLY CONTINUED ON AT THAT RATE, UM, MYSELF, BUT THAT'S STILL PRETTY HIGH. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, AT SOME POINT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SAY THE SKY IS FALLING AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WERE 4% LESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS YOUR, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WERE THE OPPOSITE AND IT'S NOT HELPING US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 4% THE OTHER WAY AND HAVE BEEN FOR, FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          SO NOT AN EASY ANSWER. 
          AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO STAND HERE AND SAY THERE IS ONE. 
          AND JUST SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PRESENTATION, I THINK WHAT WAS CAUSING ALL THE QUESTIONS IS THAT IT LIKE THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF, UH, PROJECTED THE UNDERWATER CONNECTIONS JUST WENT DOWN BETWEEN 22 AND 23 BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THAT SWITCH. 
          SO IT WENT FROM 3,103 TO 28 96, THEN IT GOES BACK UP TO 31 85 AND THEN THE 35 0 5. 
          AND SO, BUT THERE WAS THAT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S SAYING THAT, WHY WAS, WHY WAS IT JUST THIS ONE YEAR WHERE THERE WAS A DROP WHEN IT, THAT IT'S LIKE, 
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ANYTHING ELSE WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CHECK. 
          I'M JUST EXPLAINING WHY WE, WHY WE WERE PROBABLY ASKING, I, YOU NEED TO OBVIOUSLY CHECK THE NUMBERS BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE GATHERING THE INFORMATION AND CAUSE THIS, I THINK I'M CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG TO THE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAME IN JULY, WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO BRING REAL NUMBERS AND HAVE BEEN, AND OF COURSE THEY'RE BEING ADJUSTED AS BEST WE CAN, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THESE NUMBERS WERE, WERE, WERE BROUGHT, UH, FORTHCOMING AND IN THIS MANNER. 
          AND SO, UM, GOOD, BAD OR INDIFFERENT, I'LL TAKE THE HEAT EITHER WAY, UM, WHETHER IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, UH, BETTER OR WORSE. 
          UH, BUT THEY'RE REALISTIC AS BEST WE CAN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE'RE GATHERING AND CONTINUE TOGETHER. 
          SO HERE'S A QUESTION THEN, BUT WE'LL DOUBLE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND FACT CHECK THE NUMBERS. 
          SO ON 2021, THEN HAS THAT BEEN ADJUSTED TO SHOW THE ACTUAL YES. 
          NOW WHAT IT'S NOT SHOWING, CAUSE IT'S, THIS IS A PROJECTION KIND OF TABLE THAT SAID IT DID SHOW THE ACTUAL 13% AND YOU WOULD HAVE SAW A BIT MORE. 
          CAUSE IF, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE BACK, SEE, UM, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 19. 
          WELL, UM, LET ME GO, LET ME GO BACK. 
          IT WAS SLIGHTLY LESS BECAUSE WE HAD 12% VICE THE 13, SO YOU GO FORWARD AND WE SHOWED, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTIONS, IT WAS SLIGHTLY MORE, BUT WHAT DID WE HAVE IN 2021? WE HAD ONLY 14 POINT. 
          UM, LET ME, LET ME GET MY NUMBER AGAIN. 
          WE ONLY HAVE LIKE 14.7 AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD A VERY MILD SUMMER AND IT WAS RELATIVELY WET. 
          SO THE, THE PEAK, THE PEAK DEMAND, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE. 
          WE, WE, WE GET SOME MADE IT 20. 
          THIS IS WHY IT'S HARD TO SAY THE SKY IS FALLING, BUT IN 2020, THE POPULATION NUMBERS. 
          YEAH, THE 2021, UM, IT WAS ONLY 14.7% OR A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AS A MAX. 
          NOW THE POPULATION HAS A CERTAIN EFFECT FOR ME, POPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR ME, I'M AN, I'LL BE HONEST. 
          I'M A WATER GUY. 
          I'M LOOKING AT WATER CONNECTIONS. 
          AND WE HAVE A, LIKE A NUMBER DOWN HERE THAT WE ASSUME THIS AMOUNT PER CONNECTION. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          PEOPLE WERE FUNNY IF SOMEONE MOVES IN, THEY MIGHT NOT PUT AN IRRIGATION IN. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO USE A LOT LESS WATER WHERE YOU MIGHT GET THE NEXT 10 PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY HAVE IRRIGATIONS AND THEY USE A TON OF WATER. 
          SO POPULATION IS HARDER BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN YOUR YARD OR HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE GOING TO USE, OR IF THEY GOT A SWIMMING POOL, WHEN THEY'RE FILLING A SWIMMING POOL UP, BUT WATER CONNECTIONS. 
          AND IF YOU USE A, A NUMBER OF, FOR WATER CONNECTIONS, THEN YOU'RE GETTING A, A REAL NUMBER. 
          I CONSIDER THEN POPULATION CAUSE POPULATION. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE CONSCIENTIOUS OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY I'M A WATER CONSERVATIVE. 
          I, I, I LIVED IN A DESERT OF ARIZONA AND I DON'T GET THESE PEOPLE WHO NEED GREEN LAWNS. 
          SO POPULATIONS FOR ME IS TRICKIER. 
          A WATER CONNECTION IS THAT'S THE WATER. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT THE METER AND SAY, THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY'RE USING EVERY MONTH. 
          AND THAT'S A REAL DATA. 
          AND WHERE DID WE, WHERE DID WE GET THE 750 FROM, IF I PUT NO SPOT, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT OFFLINE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THAT'S A, UM, THAT'S A NUMBER AGAIN THAT, UH, OUR WATER CONSULTANT KIND OF CAME UP WITH WITH HISTORICAL DATA AND SAID, BASED ON PAST YEARS AND STUFF, THIS IS HOW MUCH WATER WE'RE USING. 
          NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TCQ, THERE'S THIS, THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN MORE STRICT, MEANING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SO MUCH WATER GOING, UM, TO EACH PERSON. 
          UM, AND WE, WE KIND OF HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT BACK IN A DAY, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THE MAYOR HEARD THIS, UM, A PERSON INDICATED THAT IT SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 900. 
          WELL, AGAIN, I MAKE THAT ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE AND THE EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY HAVE COME A LONG WAYS AND THAT NUMBER WOULD BE AN UNREALISTIC NUMBER BASED ON, UM, HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED INTO. 
          SO, UM, BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA AND KIND OF WHERE THE WORLD IS TODAY, THAT THAT WAS A NUMBER OF WHAT WE'RE USING, UH, PER CONNECTION. 
          THAT'S STILL A LOT OF WATER AND THAT'S NOT 750 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY. 
          WELL, IT USED TO BE CLOSER TO LIKE 900, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, NOW THAT'S HOW, I MEAN AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          PER CONNECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE AVERAGE IS IN TEXAS AROUND 296 AND WHAT KATIE WILL SAY, THAT'S IN THE WINTER. 
          SO WE GOT TO ADD SOME FOR THE SUMMER. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE PUT IN MEASURES AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN, UM, TCEQ REQUIREMENTS AND, AND, UH, SO MANY GOWNS PER CONNECTION, UM, HAS TO BE PROVIDED. 
          AND OF COURSE IT HAS TO BE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER 20 PSI OR GREATER, AND ONLY 35 FOR FIRE FLOW. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, CHEMISTRY BALANCE WITHIN THE WATER. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF RAMIFICATIONS. 
          OR I PERSONALLY, IF, OF COURSE I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE TWO CHARTS, ONE WITH THIS ONE THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT WITH THE 750 AND ANOTHER ONE WITH 
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ACTUALS AND THIS ONE, BUT YOU SEE THE MOMENT. 
          WELL, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, UM, WELL, LIKE MORE, ACTUALLY MORE LIKE THE AVERAGE OF THIS AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S COMPANIES THAT DO THAT, THEY TAKE IN THERE'S PEOPLE MONITORING HOW MANY GALLONS PER DAY, A CONNECTION YOU USE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I'M NOT DAN, I'M NOT DOGGING OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING I WOULD PARTICULARLY SEE BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE THEM MORE COMFORTABLE NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I'M IN, WE CAN, WE CAN GET PROBABLY WHAT, LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF THINGS HAD BEEN PUT INTO PLACE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I'LL GO AND ASK THIS QUESTION NOW, HAVE WE SEEN ANY TREND DOWNWARD SINCE ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED ONLY HAD BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST YEAH, BUT LIKE, I'VE NEVER HEARD BACK ON, LIKE WE HAD THE PROGRAM, BUT WE WERE GOING TO HELP, WE HAD A TEST BED, WE WERE GONNA HELP PEOPLE SET UP THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEM. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT'S A THAT'S GINA'S UP NEXT. 
          SO, UM, BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH WILL BE, UM, HER, UM, WAS THERE, WAS THERE, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S NOT AN EASY, UM, IT'S NOT EASY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TRY TO MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING ALL CORRECT. 
          BUT, UM, UH, I THINK, UH, AS, UH, THE PAST, YOU KNOW, YEAR OR SO, TAKING A LOT OF THE RIGHT STEPS, BOTH FOAM, UM, UM, UH, WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, TO MOVE IT IN A DIRECTION THAT'S GOING TO HOPEFULLY GET LEANDER TO THE, TO THE PHASE TWO, A AND WHERE WE HAVE LOTS OF WATER AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO, UH, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          IT'S NOT FOR THE DEMOGRAPHICS, BUT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, SANDY CREEK HAS BEEN DOING MAINTENANCE. 
          WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE DONE? AND IT'S BACK. 
          IS THAT GOING TO BE PART OF YOURS TOO? OKAY. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          GINA. 
          WE'LL HANDLE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, SHE SHE'S GOT THAT. 
          WE WERE, WE DID SEND THAT OUT AS A WEEKLY, BUT SHE'S GOING TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL AND JUST THE SHEER NECESSITY OF WHAT A RELIEF IT WAS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THIS PAST WINTER. 
          AND IT WAS GREATLY NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER THEN. 
          I MIGHT BE BACK, I THINK, BUT I KNOW I AM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AS DAN MENTIONED, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE TO KIND OF CHANGE UP SOME OF THE WATER REPORTS THAT WE GIVE. 
          AND ONE OF THE ONES THAT I USUALLY GIVE IS THE CONNECTIONS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT CLEANER AND A LITTLE EASIER TO, TO READ. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE DID HERE WAS THESE ARE THE WATER CONNECTIONS EVERY MARCH FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS, AND THEN WE'VE TRENDED AND, AND ILLUSTRATED THE GROWTH. 
          SO PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE 9%, 10%. 
          WE DID A BIG JUMP FROM 2020 TO 2021 WITH 17, ALMOST 18%. 
          AND THEN THIS YEAR FROM 2021 TO 2022 MARCH, UM, WE ARE TRENDING RIGHT AT THAT 11 TO 12%. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE ON TRACK, UM, WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE DAILY USAGE FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          YOU CAN SEE, WE HAD, UM, THE, THE GREEN IS SHOWING OUR BCRA WATER AND THEN THE BLUE IS THE SANDY CREEK. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE AT ABOUT A 60, 40 SPLIT. 
          SO WE'RE ABOUT AVERAGE OF 5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FROM  WATER. 
          AND THEN, UH, ABOUT 3 MILLION FROM SANDY. 
          UM, AS DAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THESE DIPS, WELL, THIS ONE, NOT SO MUCH, CAUSE IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN THE SEVENTIES HERE AND THEN WE HAD A BIG, YOU KNOW, COLD SPELL KIND OF, BUT THEY DID START TO TREND UP AND USAGE. 
          AND THEN WE HAD A BIG DROP IN, IN USAGE, GOES DOWN. 
          AND THEN THIS WAS OUR HOTTEST DAY AT ABOUT 93 DEGREES AND ALSO OUR HIGHEST USAGE. 
          UM, YOU ALSO NOTICE IT COINCIDES WITH THE RAIN AS WELL. 
          WE HAD, YOU KNOW, AN INTER SO OF RAIN THAT DAY. 
          UM, AND YOU DO SEE THOSE BIG DROPS. 
          UM, OVERALL MARCH OF 2021 WAS ABOUT 200 MILLION GALLONS. 
          UH, WE DID ABOUT 274. 
          SO, UM, ABOUT 65 MILLION GALLONS MORE, OUR AVERAGE DAY WAS ALSO A COUPLE MILLION HIGHER AND OUR MAX DAY WAS A COUPLE MILLION HIGHER. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU SEE? WE ACTUALLY EVEN GOT MORE RAIN, UM, A COUPLE INCHES HERE, BUT ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS LAST YEAR IN MARCH, UM, THE  PIPELINE WAS STILL BEING REPAIRED. 
          SO WE WERE IN HAND WATERING ONLY STAGE RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO I THINK THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT LOWER USAGE, UM, THAT WE SEE, UM, GOING BACK TO THE 60, 40 SPLIT, UM, AND, AND TALKING ABOUT THE SANDY CREEK MAINTENANCE, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE WINTER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY, THAT SPLIT WAS MORE LIKE 80 20. 
          SO WE WERE ONLY DOING A MILLION TO 2 MILLION GALLONS AT SANDY CREEK, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF UPGRADES. 
          UH, WE REPAIRED VALVES, WE REPLACED BLOWERS, UH, REBUILT PUMPS AND MOTORS INSTALLED SOME VSP FDS, AND THE BIG ONE WAS A SCADA UPGRADE FOR US. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN, UM, 
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THE ACTUAL COMPUTER SYSTEM DO A LOT OF THE UPGRADES DURING THE DAY. 
          UM, AND THEN GET IT BACK ONLINE EVERY DAY. 
          UM, WE INSPECTED AND CLEANED ALL THE TANKS. 
          UM, THEY'RE STILL DOING SOME, UM, CLEANING OF THE LAGOONS. 
          AND I THINK ONE OTHER THING I CA OH, THE SCREENS ON THE, ON THE BARGE, THEY'RE GETTING THAT SCHEDULED AS WELL WITH THE MARINE INSPECTOR. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE USAGE, UM, YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED THIS, THIS GRAPH AND IT JUST ILLUSTRATES KIND OF THAT WINTER, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE IN THE SIXES AND 7 MILLION GALLONS AND ALMOST EVERYBODY IS, IS IN THIS GREEN, YOU KNOW, USING LESS THAN 10,000 GALLONS A MONTH. 
          AND THEN NOT THAT, THAT WINTER, OR I'M SORRY, THE SUMMER USAGE, YOU KNOW, WE GET ALMOST A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION USING OVER 20,000 GALLONS. 
          SO WHEN IT TURN IT BACK TO DAN FOR A COUPLE SIDES BEFORE I'M BACK UP HERE, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, SORRY, SORRY, GO BACK. 
          SORRY. 
          WHICH ONE YOU WANT? WHAT'S OUR MATCH DAY MAX DAY. 
          THIS YEAR, IT'S HARD TO TELL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ONE. 
          NO, I MEAN, WELL IT'S YEAH, WHAT'S THE MAX DAY OF THE WEEK. 
          IS IT STILL THURSDAY MORNING AT 2:00 AM? SO WE'VE SHIFTED A LOT OF THINGS AROUND, BUT WE ARE STILL PEAKING AT 2:00 AM. 
          SO WE'VE SHIFTED. 
          UM, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. 
          IT'S WE HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED IRRIGATING YET, SO I'LL CHECK ON THAT FOR YOU. 
          I WILL GET THAT OUT. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY SAY YES, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GET HIT YOU AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, MIDNIGHT, TWO O'CLOCK UNTIL ABOUT 8:00 AM. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S IT'S IRRIGATION, ESPECIALLY SPRINGTIME. 
          UM, ARE WE STILL GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE IT'S COMING CONSERVATION AND ALL THAT STUFF? YEP. 
          IT'S COMING NOW. 
          HE'S I GET UP AND RIGHT PAGE, SORRY FOR THAT LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, OUR PARTNER ENTITIES, UM, SO LCRA, UH, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WE GINA AND I HAVE MET WITH THEM AND CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THEM, WHICH I THINK IS SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND, UH, THEY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF LEANDER AS A WHOLE, UM, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION AND I'VE TRIED TO HINT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I GET TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE? AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ON THAT ONE, UM, LIBERTY HILL, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT. 
          UM, WHEN WE FIRST TALKED TO THEM, I, I FIRST GOT ON BOARD WITH, WITH GINA AND, UH, WE STARTED VISITING ALL THE WATER PLANTS AND, AND, UH, OTHER CITIES KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. 
          THE FIRST THING THEY TOLD US AS WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS ANOTHER 600 ACRE FEET OF, UH, KIND OF WATER THAT WAS PROMISED TO US. 
          AND WE'RE LIKE, NO. 
          AND SO THEY DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 600 ACRE FEET. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE GIVE THEM, UH, NOT GIVE, SORRY, WE SELL A 600 ACRE FEET A YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          UM, BUT THEY HAVE ON CONTRACT WITH LCR AND ADDITIONAL 600 ACRE FEET A YEAR THAT THEY WOULD LOVE FOR SOMEBODY TO TREAT AND SEND THEIR WAY, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT, THAT WATER THAT THEY CAN'T GET THEIR HANDS ON. 
          AND, UM, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, UM, TO THEM Y'ALL AT GEORGETOWN. 
          UM, WE AWARDED THAT CONTRACT AND, UM, APRIL OF 2020, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, THERE WAS, AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS AS, UM, I GUESS THE BEST WAY I CAN. 
          I THINK THERE WAS SOME RED FLAGS, UM, THAT WERE KNOWN BASED ON GROWTH AND, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WISH THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT'S 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WOULD BE HUGE. 
          UM, JUST A HUGE AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE FOR US, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THAT OCCURRED. 
          AND SO, UH, UM, LIKE ANY CONTRACT, YOU HAVE TO HONOR YOUR BEST, ALTHOUGH WE'RE IN GONNA, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, UM, WE'VE ALREADY CONTACTED THEM AND WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THE SAME THING. 
          YOU CAN'T EXCEED YOUR LIMIT. 
          AND IF YOU'RE REALLY GONNA GO OUT THERE, GIVE US A HEADS UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TRY TO CONTROL DEMAND NOT ONLY WITHIN OUR CITY, BUT FROM THE BCR UA, BECAUSE THEIR TAP IS OFF THE RONALD REAGAN WATER LINE, WHICH IS OF COURSE CONNECTED TO THE BCRA, WHICH IS THAT INTAKE. 
          I SHOWED YOU ALL THE ONE ON REAGAN, RONALD REAGAN. 
          AND UNTIL WE GET THE PUMP, THE STORAGE TANK AND THE PUMP STATION ON RONALD REAGAN PUT IN, UM, THE, THE CONTROL OF DEMAND ON THAT INTAKE IS, UM, CHALLENGING. 
          AND IT JUST CAN BE, UM, WHEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET A BIG ONE, THE OTHER ONES ARE CEDAR PARK AND RON WAQAR 
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OUR PARTNERS, OUR BCA OR BCR PARTNERS. 
          AND, UM, I, AGAIN, I, I WAS NEW AND I MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE COULD PROBABLY BE WORK WATER, BUT, UM, AFTER SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS AND, UM, FINALLY SAYING, YOU NEED TO KIND OF PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          AND IN WRITING, THEY DID, THEY SENT US EMAILS AND WE PUT IT IN THAT MEMO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY HAVE USED FOR THEIR, THEY HAVE FUTURE USES FOR THEIR WATER. 
          AND, UM, SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT STANDS. 
          AND THEN WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE LEANDER ISD. 
          UH, THE STAFF TALK WITH THEM. 
          WE TALKED WITH THEM ON MONDAY AT, UH, KIND OF AT THE MID MANAGER LEVEL. 
          AND THEN OUR STAFF GOT WITH THEIR STAFF, UM, AT THE GROUNDS LEVEL. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA WORK OUT SOME, UH, WAYS THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM CAN, UH, SHIP WATERING DATES AND TIMES AND AMOUNTS AND, UM, SOME OTHER THINGS TO FACILITATE. 
          CAUSE THEY WERE A VERY LARGE USER OF WATER IN THE CITY OF LEANDER. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING WITH THEM AND SEE IF WE CAN FACILITATE, UM, BEST WATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES WITH THAT. 
          HOW OFTEN ARE YOU EXPECTING TO GET A REPORT OR ANSWER SUGGESTIONS FROM THEM OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO CURB THEIR WATER USE? I'LL LET GINA TALK. 
          SHE WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT MET WITH HIM. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, UM, WE STARTED LOOKING AT PAST USAGE WITH LSD AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THEIR WATERING PATTERNS. 
          AND THEY'RE PRETTY, I WANT TO SAY CONSERVATIVE ALREADY THERE THEY'RE FINANCIALLY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON WATER IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY'RE ALREADY AT LIKE ONE TO TWO TIMES A WEEK WATERING. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE KIND OF, UM, EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW, FOR US, IT'S, IT'S SPREADING THAT OUT. 
          SO, AND ADHERING TO THE DAYS OF THE WEEK AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND SO THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT KIND OF WHAT ARE THEIR DAYS THAT THEY ARE WATERING AND CAN WE SHIFT SOME OF THOSE AROUND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ALL WATERING ON A THURSDAY AT MIDNIGHT OR SOMETHING, AND WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND SAY, OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GIVE YOU A VARIANCE ON YOUR DAY OF THE WEEK BECAUSE THAT HELPS US TO JUST SPREAD THAT OUT. 
          SO, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET US THAT DATA BACK IS, IS, YEAH. 
          AND I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK HIM SORT OF WHAT THE TIMELINE IS. 
          ARE THEY GOING TO TRY TO GET EVERYTHING LINED OUT? SO WHEN THE KIDS, CAUSE I'D IMAGINE IN THE SUMMERTIME THEY'RE NOT HAVING, SO YOU WOULD THINK I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW TOO. 
          I THOUGHT THAT THEIR USAGE WOULD GO DOWN A LOT, BUT THEY USE THEIR FIELDS A LOT IN THE SUMMERTIME FOR SPORTS. 
          UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ANY NEW TURF REBUILDS OR ANYTHING THIS SUMMER OR REALLY IN THE NEXT FEW SUMMERS. 
          SO THAT HELPS A LOT. 
          UM, WE WORKED WITH THEM ON, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT, DON'T DO IT IN JULY WHERE YOU HAVE TO JUST POUR WATER ON IT FOR IN THE WORST TIME FOR US AND FOR THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, THEY ARE DOING THE NEW SCHOOL WHEN BRYSON, THEY ARE GETTING SOME FIELDS ESTABLISH. 
          THERE'S JUST SOME COMMON AREAS, NOT REALLY LIKE A BIG TURF FIELD. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCELERATE THAT TO GET IT IN MAYBE IN MAY, INSTEAD OF IN THE SUMMER. 
          SO WERE YOU EXPECTING SOMETHING LIKE IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS FOR THEM? SO, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, WE'LL GET WITH THEM ON. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY OWE US KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT I DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE A, CAN THAT KICKED DOWN FOR US TO HAVE SORT OF A SCHEDULE OF, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU TO MOVE IN TO WORK WITH YOU ON THIS, BUT LET'S GIVE IT, THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL. 
          THEY HAVE A VERY SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM ACTUALLY. 
          UM, SO THEY CAN PULL A LOT OF DATA, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO AN AMI. 
          UM, AND SO THEY CAN PULL A LOT OF DATA PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          UM, SO WE'LL WORK WITH THEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN IRON OUT. 
          YES. 
          UM, MS. CRABTREE, WE ARE JUST ABOUT UP AGAINST TIME. 
          ARE WE ABLE TO PICK THIS BACK UP DURING THE REGULAR MEETING?  UM, IT'S JUST THAT EASY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BEFORE WE DEPART MAYOR AND GOOD CALL, UM, GINA BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, AND, AND I KNOW I COULD PULL THEM BACK UP, THE WATER DEMAND, THE OTHER REALLY IMPORTANT VARIABLE AND THE ANDREW'S KIND OF DONE THAT IS THAT, UM, WE CAN, CAN CONTROL A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT WATER DEMAND, MEANING THAT WE CAN PICK OUR MAX DAY AND MAYBE EVEN THE AMOUNT BY SPREADING OUT IF EVERYBODY IN LAND OR JUST SAID, I WANT TO GRAB WATER AT MIDNIGHT. 
          UM, THE PEAK DEMAND WOULD GO RIGHT OUT THE ROOF. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT PROBABLY WOULD EXCEED LIMITS, BUT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SPREAD OUT, THE MORE WE DO THAT, WE CAN ALSO CONTROL WHAT THAT DEMAND IS. 
          SO WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POWER IF YOU WANT TO SAY, TO CONTROL AND PREVENT THAT WORST CASE SCENARIO AGAIN, REMEMBER THAT'S EVERYBODY JUST WATERING EVERY DAY, ANYTIME THEY WANT WITH NO ORGANIZATION TO IT. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT WAS THAT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT SHE REMINDED ME THAT THE SCHOOL WAS GOING TO WORK AND WE CAN CONTROL, UM, THAT WATER DEMAND WHEN IT HAPPENS THAT PEAK, UM, BETTER THAN, 
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UM, THAN NOT HAVING ANY CONTROLS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GRIMSBY, WE ARE GOING TO RECESS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6:55 PM. 
          PLEASE BE IN YOUR SEATS AT 7 0 5 TO START OUR REGULAR MEETING. 
          [4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE LAND OR CITY COUNCIL. 
          REGULAR MEETING TODAY IS APRIL 21ST, 2022. 
          AND THE TIME IS 7:09 PM. 
          THIS EVENING, THE LANDER FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE PRESENTING THE COLORS FOLLOWED BY JOE BOB ELLISON, PROVIDING THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION. 
          PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SHALL WE PRAY, FATHER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, FATHER, THANK YOU SO MUCH LORD, FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN OUR CITY. 
          UH, LORD, I JUST WANT TO LIFT UP, UM, OUR, OUR MAYOR AND OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MAYOR CHRISTINE, UM, KATHERINE AS MAY JASON, NICOLE, CHRIS, BECKY, AND JUST FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT THEY HAVE, UH, NOT ONLY FOR OUR CITY, BUT FOR JUST EVERYTHING THEY DO IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          LORD, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER, RICK BEVERLY, AND, AND JUST THE TIRELESS EFFORTS THAT HE CONTINUES TO POUR IN DAY IN AND DAY OUT. 
          LORD FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE AMAZING DAR CRABTREE WHO KEEPS EVERYTHING RUNNING IN OUR CITY, UH, AT A HIGH LEVEL LORD, I'M THANKFUL FATHER FOR NOT ONLY WHAT THE CITY'S DOING, BUT FOR WHAT THE CITY IS DOING FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          LORD, I'M THANKFUL FOR EACH ONE OF THEM AND, UH, FOR WHAT THEY DO TO KEEP US SAFE DAY IN AND DAY OUT. 
          NOT ONLY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          LORD, I PRAY THAT OUR CITY CONTINUES JUST TO STEP UP LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE AND CONTINUE TO STEP UP YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT GOD I, FOR A SPIRIT OF ENCOURAGEMENT OVER EACH ONE OF OUR LEADERS, FAMILIES, UH, LORD THAT OUR, THE OURS, OUR COUNCIL CONTINUES TO SERVE VOLUNTEERING. 
          UH, LORD, JUST BY BRINGING THAT, UH, PRAY THAT YOU BRING THAT BACK TENFOLD TO THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR SPOUSES, THEIR KIDS, AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE COMING YEARS, UH, WITH OUR CITY, AMEN, TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          JAVA 
          [5. Roll Call.]
CITY, SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION 
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PARKER HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME, MATT KATELYN, GLORIA COUNCIL MEMBER, JASON SHAW, COUNCIL MEMBER, NICOLE THOMPSON PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS ARNETT, MAYOR PRO TEM, BECKY ROSS HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE DE LA HERE. 
          QUORUM IS PRESENT IN THE CITY. 
          COUNCIL 
          [6. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda.  Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council.  [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.]]
IS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER SIX, NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
          I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DURING THIS TIME THERE IS NO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN COMMENTERS AND THE COUNCIL. 
          IT IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ONLY. 
          I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING? NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO 
          [7. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. 	Air Quality Awareness Week (May 2-6) 	Firefighter Appreciation Day (May 4)]
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND VISITORS. 
          I WANT TO RECOGNIZE FORMER MAYOR. 
          JOHN KELMAN IS WITH US TONIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR KALMAN. 
          UM, WE ARE GOING TO START WITH A RECOGNITION FOR AIR QUALITY AWARENESS WEEK WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MACULA AND GLORIA CITY OF LEANDER PROCLAMATION. 
          WHEREAS AIR QUALITY CAN THREATEN OUR ENVIRONMENT, ECONOMY AND THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS OF LEANDER. 
          AND WHEREAS AIR POLLUTION LEVELS IN CENTRAL TEXAS WERE CONSIDERED MODERATE OR WORSE ON 36% OF THE DAYS IN 2021, ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL AIR QUALITY INDEX. 
          AND WHEREAS CHILDREN, OLDER ADULTS, PEOPLE WITH LUNG DISEASE AND PEOPLE WITH HEART DISEASE ARE PARTICULARLY AFFECTED BY POOR AIR QUALITY AND MAKE UP ABOUT TWO OUT OF EVERY FIVE RESIDENTS IN CENTRAL TEXAS AND WHEREAS GROUND LEVEL OZONE LEVELS IN THE AUSTIN ROUNDROCK GEORGETOWN METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA HAVE REMAINED CLOSE TO EXCEEDING GROUND LEVEL OZONE FOR NATIONAL AMBIENT AIR QUALITY STANDARDS AND WHERE WE'RE AS LEANDER SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS OF THE CENTRAL TEXAS CLEAN AIR COALITION AND THE US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY TO PROMOTE AIR QUALITY. 
          NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. 
          I MAY OR CHRISTINE DELIAH WILL CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE WEEK OF MAY 2ND TO MAY SIX AS AIR QUALITY AWARENESS WEEK IN LEANDER AND ENCOURAGES OUR RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT AIR QUALITY, INCLUDING VISITING CAP, COGS ERROR, CENTRAL TEXAS WEBSITE AT AIR CENTRAL, TEXAS.ORG AND PROMOTE AIR QUALITY AND AIR QUALITY AWARENESS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO RECEIVE THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CLAP FOR YOU. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ONE FOR FIREFIGHTER APPRECIATION DAY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, RIGHT? WHEREAS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY IS OBSERVED ON MAY 4TH TO HONOR REMEMBER FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES, SERVING THEIR COMMUNITIES TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE. 
          SO THOSE WHO LIVE SERVED TO SHOW SUPPORT AND APPRECIATION FOR THOSE WHO PRESENTLY SERVE. 
          AND WHEREAS THE FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE LAND OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, BOTH PAID AND VOLUNTEER ARE DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS WHO AT THE MOMENT NOTICE AT THE, AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE, I'M SORRY ARE QUICK TO RESPOND TO UNCERTAIN SITUATIONS, TO MITIGATE THE DANGERS AND COMBAT THE THREAT OF FIRE IN ORDER TO PROTECT INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, PETS, AND THE ECONOMIC WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHEREAS THE DEMANDS OF FIREFIGHTERS ARE ACCOMPANIED BY PERSONAL, PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND EMOTIONAL TOLLS THAT FIREFIGHTERS KNOWINGLY ACCEPT WHILE RISKING THEIR LIVES TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF OTHERS. 
          AND WHEREAS WE CELEBRATE THIS DAY TO ENCOURAGE AND MOTIVATE FIREFIGHTERS, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO AND TO REIGNITE THE FIRE BURNING IN THEIR HEARTS WITH FUEL THEM TO DO EVEN, I'M SORRY TO DO AN EVEN BETTER JOB NOW. 
          THEREFORE WE, THE CITY OF LEANDER, DUBAI HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 4TH, 2022 AS INTERNATIONAL FIREFIGHTERS DAY AND URGE OUR COMMUNITY TO JOIN US AND REMEMBERING THOSE FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE DIED WHILE PROTECTING OTHERS AND TO SHOW SUPPORT AND APPRECIATION TO THOSE FIREFIGHTERS WHO HAVE PROTECTED OUR LIVES AND PROPERTY EACH AND EVERY DAY. 
          AND WITNESS THEREOF. 
          I HERE IN TO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF LEANDER TO BE A FIXED ON MAY 5TH, 2022, UM, MAYOR DELISLE AND EARLY CHIEF. 
          DID YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS? YEAH. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE THESE MEN AND WOMEN BOTH PAID AND VOLUNTEER. 
          THEY GIVE EVERY DAY TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, THE OBVIOUS THINGS ARE THE RESPONSE TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING FIRES AND EMERGENCIES. 
          WE HEARD THE ALARMS GOING OFF JUST WHILE AGO WHILE PRESENTING 
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THE COLORS. 
          UH, BUT ALSO THIS PAST YEAR, WE STARTED A NEW PROGRAM THROUGH OUR OUTREACH DIVISION, UH, FOR A REDUCER REDUCTION PROGRAM WHERE THEY'RE CONNECTING INDIVIDUALS IN NEED WITH, UH, VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE ACTUALLY FIX THEIR PROBLEMS TO REDUCE THEIR DEPENDENCY THEN ON EMERGENCY SERVICES. 
          AND SO THAT LOOKS LIKE THINGS WHERE, WHEN THEY SHOW UP TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE WHO MAYBE IS NEWLY INTO A WHEELCHAIR, BUT YET DOESN'T HAVE WHEELCHAIR RAMPS INTO THEIR HOME OR MAYBE NEEDS SOME MODIFICATIONS IN THEIR HOME, GETTING THEM CONNECTED TO THOSE LOCAL RESOURCES YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE RECENTLY, A, A FAMILY THAT WAS HELPED OUT WITH, UH, MITIGATING SOME OF THE WILDFIRE THREATS ON THE OTHER TRIP HAZARDS AND, AND OTHERS, UH, ENVIRONMENT, UH, HAZARDS THAT THEY HAD THERE AT THEIR HOME. 
          AND SO IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T SEE AS MUCH THAT ARE HAPPENING EVERYDAY AS WELL. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, DOZENS OF NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE HELPING US OUT WITH LOVING ON THESE NEIGHBORS OF THEIRS. 
          AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE THAT. 
          AND, UH, IT'S JUST SO AMAZING TO BE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHERE NEIGHBORS LOVE EACH OTHER KNOW. 
          SO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE EFFORTS THAT YOU PUT IN EVERY DAY AND THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT. 
          WE ARE GOING TO RECESS OUR REGULAR MEETING AT 7:21 PM AND RECONVENING INTO THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP ALSO AT 7:21 PM. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE NOT HERE BEFORE SEVEN, WE WERE DOING A BRIEFING WORKSHOP. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TOPICS TO GO THROUGH. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL ON THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS A WATER UPDATE. 
          AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING BACK. 
          SO, UH, WHILE I WAS, UH, UM, SITTING DOWN AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF SMART PEOPLE, THE SMART PEOPLE REMINDED ME. 
          AND I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU MAYOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE PIE CHARTS. 
          LET ME GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK. 
          UM, WHY, WHY THOSE AVERAGES COME OUT? THE WAY YOU SAY IS BECAUSE WE ONLY TOOK A MONTH OF DATA FOR THE WINTER AND FOR THE SUMMER. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS A, UH, AN ILLUSTRATION TO SHOW KIND OF THE BEST TIMES IN THE WINTER WHEN WE USE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF WATER AND THE WORST TIME IN THE SUMMER WHEN IT'S, WHEN YOU CAN GET YOUR MAX DAY, IF YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO MITIGATE IT. 
          SO THAT THE AVERAGE IS BETWEEN TWO MONTHS, ESSENTIALLY ONE IN THE WINTER, ONE IN THE SUMMER. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S OFF. 
          IF YOU TOOK THE WHOLE YEAR, ALL THE MONTHS, THEN IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL NUMBER. 
          SO I THINK ROBERT AND GINA FOR SETTING ME ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW ON THAT ONE, AND THEN PROVIDING YOU AN ANSWER. 
          SO BACK TO, UM, WE GOT PAST THIS AND WE WERE COMING TO RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, THE NEXT PART. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN THE, UM, UH, WE'RE IN A PHASE TWO AND WE'LL CONTINUE A SINGLE WEEK WATERING. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY BASED ON YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR WATERING ON THE GIVEN DAY, THAT'S PROVIDED TO YOU, UM, BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP, UM, US, UH, MANAGE THE WATER SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS, UH, UH, NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AND I THINK, UH, UH, JODY AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS ON TWO DAYS AND I MET HER AND SHE SAYS, WE NEED AN AMI SYSTEM. 
          I'M LIKE, OKAY. 
          AND SO, UM, 
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YOU ALL WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING A AMI, WHICH STANDS FOR ALL, UM, AUTOMATIC METER INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, MUCH LIKE, UH, CEDAR PARK OR RUN-WALK OR EVEN GEORGETOWN, UM, HAVE AUSTIN IS PUTTING THEIRS IN, UM, IT'S HUGE PROJECT. 
          AND SO IT WAS SAN ANTONIO, WHICH IS SURPRISING. 
          YOU WOULD THINK OF THOSE CITIES WOULD HAVE THEM, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING THIS VERY SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE RECLAIM. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, I CONSIDER A GOOD NEWS. 
          OOPS, I'VE GOT TO GET THE HANG OF THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AND AGAIN, COUNCIL SUPPORTED IT, UH, $2 MILLION TOWARDS THAT PROJECT. 
          WE ARE BUILDING A BUILDING STATION, UM, AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          SO CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS CAN COME IN WITH THEIR CONSTRUCTION WATER TRUCKS AND FILL THEM UP WITH THE REUSE WATER AND USE THAT FOR CONSTRUCTION OR LANDSCAPING IRRIGATION OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO USE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING A 12 INCH LINE TO NORTH LINE, UM, INITIALLY BECAUSE, UH, THEY WERE OUR DESIGNING OUR SYSTEM FOR REUSE TO INCLUDE THE PONDS. 
          AND SO THAT'S A FOR MAKEUP WATERS. 
          THAT'S GREAT, BUT OTHER CUSTOMERS ARE THE HORIZON, UM, APARTMENTS. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, UM, THE KNIFE FACTORY AS INQUIRED ABOUT REUSE, AND IF THEY COULD USE IT FOR THEIR COOLING SYSTEM, THEIR COOLING TOWERS, UM, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON, UM, ANOTHER CUSTOMER. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, TRYING TO GO OUT AND, UM, UM, ATTAIN CUSTOMERS. 
          SO WE CAN FACILITATE, UM, USING THE PLANT. 
          NOW IT HAS LIMITATIONS THE PLANT SMALL, IT'S ONLY 2.2 BILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          SO WE GET, YOU KNOW, IN THAT HALF A MILLION GALLON RANGE OF REUSE, UH, FOR THAT SIZE PLANT, WE'RE DOING GREAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING WITH THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PLACES WE COULD USE IT. 
          SO IT ALSO HAS TO BE WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NIGHT FACTORY, CAN WE EVEN GO, YES, WE'VE LOOKED AND WE CAN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WITHIN, WITHIN THE DISTANCE OF THE, UH, OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UH, GOOD QUESTION. 
          YEP. 
          THAT IS A LIMITATION FOR KIND OF THAT, UNLESS YOU JUST HAVE A TON OF MONEY LIKE SAN ANTONIO, YOU CAN JUST PUT PURPLE PIPE EVERYWHERE. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE LIMITATIONS AND THEN, UH, THE TIERED RATES, UH, I STARTED JANUARY 1ST. 
          UM, I NOT SURE I'M THE SMARTEST PERSON TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY REAL DATA YET. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T GOT PEOPLE USING NEAR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND STUFF. 
          UM, ROBERT, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS? NOPE. 
          IT'S, WE'RE, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT KICKS IN OVER THE SUMMER. 
          UM, UM, AS WE GO FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE SEEING SOME IMPACT THAT PEOPLE WERE BEING CHARGED MORE AT HIGHER RATES. 
          WE'RE SEEING DATA RIGHT JANUARY. 
          SO THE MORE WATER THEY USE, THE MORE THEY GET CHARGED PER THOUSAND GALLONS. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          SO IS THAT A RUBBER QUESTION? ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASE IN, SORRY, SO WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT DATA. 
          I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT LOOKED TO SEE, UH, HOW MANY, UM, ACCOUNTS HAVE HIT EITHER THE SECOND OR THE THIRD TIER. 
          THE, THE RATES WENT INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY. 
          UM, THE FIRST BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN IN FEBRUARY, UH, FOR JANUARY USAGE. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A TWO AND A HALF MONTHS WHERE CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN BILLED THE, UM, TIERED RATE. 
          SO WE CAN LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY CUSTOMERS THUS FAR ARE HITTING EITHER THE SECOND TIER OR THE THIRD TIER AND GET THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO, SO NOW, UM, I'M TURNING IT BACK OVER TO GINA. 
          UM, AND, UH, I THINK SHE, AND, UM, AND ROBIN HAD THE, THE RECIPES AT THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO BEFORE I STEP UP ANY, ANY, UH, HANG FIRES, MISFIRES, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          PASSING THE BATON. 
          UM, YES, THE NEXT TWO ARE MINE. 
          WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A MID-YEAR HIRE, UM, FOR THE CONSERVATION COORDINATOR, UM, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN I'LL TALK SOME ABOUT THE PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE, UH, IRRIGATION THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO IF YOU REMEMBER LAST MARCH, WE UPDATED OUR WATER CONSERVATION PHASES. 
          AND, UM, TO, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TO SPREAD THEM OUT OVER DAYS OF THE WEEK, UM, MORE EVENLY ACROSS DAYS OF THE WEEK, BASED ON THE, THE, THE, UH, LAST NUMBER OF THE ADDRESS. 
          SO I ALSO HAVE VERY SMART PEOPLE WHO LIKED TO WATCH COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THEY TEXTED ME WHILE WE WERE ON BREAK AND SAID THAT WE ARE STILL SEEING OUR HIGH WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY USAGE DAY. 
          SO IT'S THAT, THAT TREND IS STILL CONTINUING AND THAT'S WHERE THIS PERSON WOULD, WOULD COME INTO EFFECT. 
          UM, THEY WOULD DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UM, TALKING WITH EVEN SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN HONESTLY ARE SOME OF THE BEST PEOPLE TO TELL, CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO HOME AND TELL THEIR PARENTS, MOM, YOU CAN ONLY WATER ON MONDAYS OR TUESDAYS OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. 
          SO, UM, SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL START GETTING THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE 
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BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST PEOPLE AREN'T, AREN'T USED TO IT, UM, AT THIS POINT. 
          SO, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          SO WE'RE PLANNING TO POST THIS POSITION TOMORROW, UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR, UH, APPLICATIONS AND THEN SOME INTERVIEWS WITH THE HIRING POTENTIALLY TOWARDS THE END OF MAY OR BEGINNING OF JUNE AND QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S AN AWESOME NUMBER OF JOB BOARDS. 
          ARE WE ALSO DOING ANY OUTREACH TO UNIVERSITIES OR ANYTHING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK CHRISTIE BACK THERE AND SHE'S NODDING HER HEAD, BUT SHE'S REACHED OUT TO KIND OF THOSE TOP FIVE, UM, UNIVERSITIES THAT ARE KIND OF GEARED TOWARDS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PERSONAL ASK, NOT JUST A BOARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TALKED TO IN THE PAST ABOUT, UM, GETTING THIS PILOT PROGRAM GOING WHERE WE CAN CONTRACT A LICENSED IRRIGATOR TO GO OUT AND ASSESS, UM, ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS, A HUNDRED OR SO VOLUNTEERS, UM, TO COLLECT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF IRRIGATION SYSTEMS ARE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HOW PEOPLE HAVE THEM SET, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY JUST SET HOW THE BUILDER LEFT THEM AND THEY'RE WATERING FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND THEY DON'T KNOW IT, UM, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND THEN, UM, ANY ISSUES OR CONCERNS ARE THEY ABLE TO RESET THEM? DO THEY KNOW HOW TO WORK? THEM KIND OF GIVE THEM THAT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, UM, ACTUALLY WENT TO THE TEXAS WATER, UM, CONFERENCE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO IN SAN ANTONIO AND SOMEONE SPOKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CITY, BUT THEY SPOKE ON IT AND THEY SAID THEY HAD 10 TO 12 OF THESE INSPECTIONS LINED UP EVERY DAY TILL JUNE. 
          SO PEOPLE, I MEAN, PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND REALLY LIKE IT. 
          SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I THINK NEXT WEEK WE'RE MEETING WITH THE, UM, IRRIGATION COMPANY PERSON GOING TO GOING TO DO THIS FOR US. 
          UM, SO WE'LL GET THIS FINALIZED HOPEFULLY, UM, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE SUMMER. 
          SO, AND THEN I'M TURNING IT OVER TO ROBIN IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DID HAVE A COMMENT ON THE, UM, THE HIRING OF THE CONSERVATION SPECIALIST AND, UM, BIG SHOUT OUT TO CHRISTY ON THIS ONE. 
          I READ IN OUR PACKET THAT, UM, I SAW WHAT YOU WERE DOING WITH THE PAY GRADES AND HOW WE LEANED TOWARDS BEING VERY COMPETITIVE ON IT. 
          AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND I'M SURE THE REST OF COUNCIL THAT WE ATTRACT SOME TOP TALENT TO HELP GET US THROUGH THESE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL ON KICKING OFF THE PROGRAM. 
          SO IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S BRAND NEW FROM THE START. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          FABULOUS. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, SO AS THE COUNCIL KNOWS, WE, UH, ADOPTED A MAJOR UPDATE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAST YEAR IN MAY OR SORRY, APRIL, AND THEN THIS MARCH, WE MADE SOME UPDATES TO IT, BUT THE UPDATES, WE ADDED MORE AREAS FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN HOPES WE WOULD HAVE LESS RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH, UH, THE WATER, UM, GOING FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE, UM, ZONING CASES, UH, STAFF WILL EVALUATE IT BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TRY TO HELP GUIDE YOU GUYS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR ZONING REQUESTS. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES GIVE A MAKEUP OF THE ENTIRE AREA. 
          THESE NUMBERS INCLUDE ALL OF THE ETJ AS WELL AS THE CITY LIMITS. 
          SO THE RURAL AREA KIND OF INFLATES THE PERCENTAGES. 
          THAT'S ALL THE AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN THAT WON'T HAVE AS MUCH A WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO IT'LL BE VERY CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP IN ANY OTHER WAY. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF A IDEA OF WHERE OUR NUMBERS ARE. 
          AND THEN, UM, COUNCIL RECENTLY ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE PHASING FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE COME IN TO REVIEW AND THEY'VE BOTH PROVIDED A PHASING PLAN. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE COMING TOWARDS THE, UM, COUNCIL. 
          SOON WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED IN 2021 WHERE A PET ESTABLISHED THE PHASING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE HE'LL HAVE ALREADY APPROVED ONE OF THOSE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE FIVE APPLICATIONS IN REVIEW TODAY THAT ARE, UM, PUDS THAT HAVE A MIXED USE COMPONENT. 
          SO THEY'RE PROPOSING COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND STAFF IS REQUESTING THE APPLICANT TO REDUCE THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL COMPONENT AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANT TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL FIRST. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH THAT. 
          UM, SOON JUST HAVING TO DEAL WITH THOSE TYPES OF REQUESTS. 
          UM, WE ARE WRAPPING UP OUR LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, UM, ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE LIST, UM, WE'RE, UH, ADDING SOME REDUCTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS ON SIDE LOT LINES AND REEVALUATE HOW WE BUFFER FROM RESIDENTIAL TODAY. 
          WE REQUIRE A WALL AS WELL AS TREES AND SHRUBS. 
          AND WE KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE WALL IS SCREENING THE TREES AND SHRUBS, MAYBE AREN'T NECESSARY ALONG. 
          SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT I THINK WILL HELP WITH WATER SAVINGS AS WELL AS, UM, SAVED MONEY FOR DEVELOPERS TO, UM, SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE REALLY PUSHING IS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TURF 
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GRASS WITH COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. 
          UM, WE'RE ENCOURAGING THEM TO USE ALTERNATIVE MEANS LIKE MULCH AND RIVER ROCK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S ADDED EXPENSE WITH THE INSTALLATION BECAUSE IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN TURF, BUT THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING WE'RE GOING THROUGH. 
          UM, WE'RE CHANGING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPE LOTS AND RESIDENTIAL TO REQUIRE THE TURF GRASS IS REDUCED. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE OTHERS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE OR THEY ALREADY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, BY GINA AND DAN AND I THINK THIS IS RICK MUDS AND PIDS Y'ALL Y'ALL HAVE PROBABLY HEARD ME, UH, IN SEPARATE MEMOS AND SOME IN THE, I GUESS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY MAY HAVE HEARD THROUGH SOME OF THEIR BOND COUNCILS IF THEY'VE CONTACTED US THAT, UM, IN GENERAL, UH, CREATION OF SPECIAL DISTRICTS, SUCH AS MUDS AND PIDS COULD CREATE A FURTHER RUN ON OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ALSO HAPPENED WITH MUDS AND PIDS. 
          SO WHEN I SAY MUDS MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS AND, UM, PIDS, UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU CAN END UP WITH A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TAX RATE FOR ALL OF YOUR CITIZENS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I HAVE SEEN, UH, IN SEVERAL COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THOSE DIFFERENT TAX RATES, UM, YES, UH, RESIDENTS OF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ANOTHER KIND OF FIELD, THERE'S AN, A LITTLE BIT OF A LACK OF EQUITY ON THAT OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MOVE IN AND, AND THAT KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS ONCE YOU FINALLY START GETTING THOSE FIRST BILLS. 
          UH, THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT KIND OF HOPSCOTCHING OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT IN A PERFECT WORLD, THE CITY STARTS IN THE MIDDLE AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ATTACHED TO IT, AND IT GROWS OUT, UM, MUDS AND PIDS CAN OFTEN LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD KINDA ON THE HINTERLANDS, UH, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS PAID FOR, UH, IN THE END, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S PAID FOR BY THE RESIDENTS. 
          AND SO YOU RATHER THAN HAVE THE NATURAL GROWING FROM THE MIDDLE, YOU CAN HAVE THAT, THAT OTHER PIECE, WHICH THEN LEADS TO THE QUESTION. 
          OKAY, NOW THERE'S NOW A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD OUT ON THE HINTERLAND WITH A TWO LANE OPEN DITCH, UH, FARM TO MARKET ROAD. 
          AND THEN THOSE RESIDENTS ARE CLAMORING FOR THAT N YOU KNOW, A NEW CROSS SECTION OF SAFER ROAD SCHOOL DISTRICT MIGHT BE DOING THAT AS WELL, HOWEVER, YOU DON'T HAVE THE TAX BASE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CENTER OF TOWN TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU DO A MOTOR, A PID ALSO TO ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY RUNNING BEHIND THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PACE YOU THEORETICALLY YOU COULD, UH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF THAT. 
          HOWEVER, UM, HAVING ENCOURAGED THAT IN SOME OF OUR DEVELOPER CONVERSATIONS, WHEN THEY HAVE PROPOSED THAT AS A WAY OF LESSENING THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT MUD, UH, GIVEN THAT KIND OF A RUN ON THE MARKET, THAT'S OCCURRING ON RESIDENTIAL, THE GENERAL ANSWER WE'VE GOTTEN AS WELL. 
          WE DON'T DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, SO JUST, I WON'T DWELL ON THIS SLIDE A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT IS IT, I WOULD DISCOURAGE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF ADDITIONAL BUDS AND PIDS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH RATE, IT PROBABLY WOULD ONLY, UH, FACILITATE MAKING THAT GO UP EVEN MORE. 
          IF YOU SAID, HEY, WE'RE OPEN TO IT. 
          AND, AND KEEP IN MIND, IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE HOUSTON AREA, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST BAD EXAMPLE IS YOU HAVE, UH, WITHIN HARRIS COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, OUT, TOWARDS, UH, OUT OFF OF TWO 90, JUST LITTERED WITH, UH, WITH MUDS, UH, OVER TIME FOR A CITY THAT CAN BE A LOT TO MANAGE. 
          AND SO THE ROBERT TYPE COUNTERPARTS ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS HAVING TO CRUNCH A LOT OF NUMBERS WHEN YOU HAVE, AND I BELIEVE HE'S EVEN WORKED IN ONE OF THOSE CITIES FOR A PERIOD THAT HAD ABOUT A DOZEN OF THEM, ONE THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL THAT I ACTUALLY WORKED AT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT IT DOES FEED INTO THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SEE A MANAGER AND THAT'S, UH, LEAVES US TO THE QUESTIONS THAT THE, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, COUNSEL, ANYTHING FURTHER. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM YES. 
          MOVING ON TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT UPDATE. 
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GOOD EVENING, MR. TOLMAN'S. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MARK THOMAS DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING TO SHARE A FEW, FEW THINGS, UH, THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STAFF AND PARK BOARD ARE WORKING TOWARDS AND WORKING ON, UM, WE ALWAYS LIKE YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND YOUR PARTICIPATION AND INSIGHT AS WELL. 
          UM, THINK MIKE'S GOT IT RIGHT HERE. 
          READY TO GO. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH THE, THE, THE FASTBALL. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT? UM, SO OUR, OUR SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE EVENING THAT WE, UH, WILL HAVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME FEDERAL FUNDING, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS. 
          WE ENGAGED OUR ARCHITECT ENGINEERING FIRM BACK IN 2017, SEPTEMBER, 2017, PJL P J L OUT OF DALLAS AREA, MASTER PLANNING, DESIGN ENGINEERING, GEO-TECH PERMITTING DOCS, AND WE'RE COMPLETED IN 2018 AND 19. 
          WE ISSUED AN RFP FOR CONSTRUCTION IN DECEMBER OF 2019. 
          THOSE CONSTRUCTION BIDS WERE, WERE RECEIVED FEBRUARY OF 2020. 
          AND, UH, WE TOOK THAT TO OUR C CIP COMMITTEE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND AT THAT POINT IN APRIL OF 2020, THERE MAY BE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WERE A PART OF THAT, BUT CONSTRUCTION WAS ACTUALLY PUT ON HOLD IN ORDER TO EXPLORE AND DISCUSS ALTERNATIVES TO DATE. 
          WE HAVE SPENT ABOUT $415,386 ON DESIGN ENGINEERING GEO-TECH AND SURVEYS, UH, ARE AVAILABLE. 
          MT IS JUST SLIGHTLY OVER $3.9 MILLION AND A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL KEY POINTS WE'RE SEEKING COUNSEL DIRECTION, UM, IN PURSUING EITHER THE LOCATION ON MUNICIPAL DRIVE OR ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. 
          UM, AND REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF DIVE INTO THAT TONIGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, IF IT IS, WILL THE COUNCIL TO ABANDON THE MENSTRUAL DRIVE SITE, WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO KNOW THAT AND, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN BE REDIRECTED TO WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS WILL BE, AS YOU'RE ALL, AS I MENTIONED, JUST A MINUTE AGO, WE'RE SEEKING COUNCIL APPROVAL TONIGHT TO APPLY FOR US CONGRESS COMMUNITY FUND, UH, PROJECT FUNDING ASSISTANCE FOR THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, UH, IN CORRELATION WITH EMERSON COUNTY CHILD ADVOCACY PORTION OF THE FACILITY. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, AT $500,000 AND MR. GOODMAN WILL BE PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION TO YOU ON THAT. 
          SO LOOKING FOR YOUR THOUGHTS, IDEAS, I LIKED THE PARTNERSHIP. 
          SO, UM, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT'S PART OF THE WORKSHOP PORTION COUNTS. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE DID GIVE DIRECTION, UM, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND IT CAME FROM SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UH, I THINK WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR AS FAR AS THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER WAS, UM, IS IT VIABLE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER, WHEN WE'RE DOING A FACILITY STUDY, THE ONE THING THAT WASN'T, WE DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WAS IF WE'RE BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL AT SOME POINT, UM, COULD THAT, COULD THE LIBRARY BE BUILT AS PART OF IT AND COULD THE LIBRARY CURRENT LIBRARY, UM, LOCATION POTENTIALLY BE AN EVEN BETTER SENIOR CENTER LOCATION THAN WHAT WE WERE GOING TO START BUILDING ON? UM, I THINK WE WERE EXTREMELY CLEAR ON THAT AND I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT WE WERE DOING IS WE WERE WAITING, WE WERE WAITING ON THAT INFORMATION. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, I THINK THAT WE DID GIVE THAT, SO SHARE A LITTLE BIT, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          I WAS GOING TO SAY I AGREE. 
          AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I BROUGHT UP TOO. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A TIMING ISSUE ON THIS. 
          SO, UM, I STARTED SAID, GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN GET THE ACTUAL ON THE 500,000. 
          SO I SAID, GO AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LET YOU KNOW EITHER WAY. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING WHERE THE REST OF THE INFORMATION FOR THAT FACILITY STUDY IS BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST WORKSHOP, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET OPTIONS FOR THE CITY HALL THING AND IT HASN'T COME BACK. 
          WHEN IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE BACK? AND WHERE'S THAT GOING? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS ON CITY HALL IN THE GREENFIELD, AS Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NORTH LINE. 
          WELL, YOU'VE ASKED US TO COME BACK ON, ON GREENFIELD AND THEN VET OUT THAT VERSUS NORTHLINE AS NEXT STEPS. 
          SO IN TERMS OF, UH, CO LOCATING SENIOR CENTER AT, LET'S SAY THE, THE LIBRARY WERE TO MOVE INTO A CITY HALL COMPONENT. 
          YES, THAT IS, THAT IS AN OPTION, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT OTHER DISCUSSION, UH, FIRST, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME, UH, PROPERTY THINGS TO DISCUSS, UH, TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
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WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS LATER OR NOT, BUT FOR THE, YOU MENTIONED THE 500,000 AS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW, TOO. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING. 
          WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE AND HAVING TO CALL, CALL THE SHOT THERE IS TONIGHT. 
          YEAH, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GO PURSUE FUNDS IN A FUTURE PROJECT CALL, UH, FOR DISCRETIONARY FUNDS FALLING FISCAL YEAR. 
          IF WE WERE TO PURSUE IT AND THEN GET DOWN THE ROAD AND DECIDE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I MEAN, IS THERE A MECHANISM TO REFUND IT BACK OR IS THAT A POSITION WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE IN? I, I WOULD FROM MINE, I W I'VE LET'S SAY THIS HAVING, UM, WORKED ON CONGRESSIONAL EARMARKS ON THE PRIVATE SIDE AND WORKING WITH, UH, COMMUNITIES, I, THEY REALLY WOULD PREFER IT TO BE SHOVEL-READY. 
          SO ONE REASON WE TH THIS WAS ACTUALLY THIRD ON OUR LIST. 
          UM, HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE DESIGN PHASE, UH, THE RE I GUESS RE-EVALUATION OF THAT EXISTING SITE, WE DID WANT TO HAVE IT CONSIDERED AT LEAST. 
          SO IT'S ON THE TABLE. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE SITE, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A NO STARTER, I THINK IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO LET, UH, THE CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE KNOW THAT WE'LL DEFER AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK. 
          AND THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR THAT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          MR. GOODMAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? YES, I THINK COVERED THAT, BUT THERE'S NO PENALTY REALLY. 
          I JUST THINK RICK'S RIGHT. 
          IT PROBABLY WOULD BE TO APPLY FOR THAT 20, 24 FUNDING INSTEAD OF 23, LIKE OUT OF RESPECT AND REPUTATION. 
          IF WE'RE NOT READY TO USE THAT MONEY LAST PROBABLY HURT OUR CHANCES IN THE FUTURE. 
          IF WE CORRECT, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET A FUTURE MONEY. 
          IF YOU HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD ON SPENDING IT ON, ON THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR IT. 
          MR. TIMMINS, CAN YOU REMIND ME, SO DID WE HAVE TO GET A NEW ARCHITECTURE IF WE PICK A NEW SITE? THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE UP THE COST. 
          WE'VE ALL SEEN THE COSTS ARE STILL GOING UP WITH COVID. 
          SO, IN MY MIND, I'M FOR PURSUING IT ON MUNICIPAL DRIVE, ESPECIALLY IF OTHERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME OTHER FACILITY OR SOME OTHER SITE PLAN WITH A CITY FACILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF WE, OH, SORRY. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IF WE DO END UP MOVING THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHER USES THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE TOO. 
          SO THERE'S THAT? WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. 
          I HATE TO SEE US SPEND MONEY ON THE SAME THINGS AGAIN. 
          AND SO IF, IF WE'RE THIS FAR IN THE PROCESS, THEN I'D BE OPEN TO STAY IN WITH MUNICIPAL, BUT I STILL WANT TO LOOK AT HAVING THE LIBRARY IN NORTH LAWN AND THE OTHER OBJECTS, BECAUSE I, I DO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE LIBRARY IS, IS A GREAT LOCATION. 
          AND WE HAVE, UM, SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR, AND AS WE'RE MOVING DOWN THE ROAD WITH THOSE PLANS, THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT. 
          I THINK TIMING FOR US IS AT THIS POINT BEING ALMOST SEVEN YEARS REMOVED FROM THE BOND ELECTION IS, WOULD HAVE ABOUT THREE YEARS LEFT, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, UH, SO UTILIZE THOSE DOLLARS. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN A CRITICAL POINT AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE WE NEED TO BE HEADING THAT'S FAIR. 
          AND I THINK PREVIOUSLY YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF GRANTS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR, FOR IT THAT WE STAND A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE. 
          I WOULD SAY THIS IS ONE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY, ANY CONTINUE COUNTING FUNDING AND THEN ALSO FUNDING FROM POTENTIALLY OPPORTUNITIES, WILLIAMSON BURNETT COUNTY. 
          OH, GOOD IDEA. 
          SO IN TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE COULD BE SOME TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE FUNDS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK COMBINED WITH THIS, THAT, THAT GIVES ME SOME COMFORT THAT WE CAN OFFSET THE OVERAGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO JUST THE INITIAL I DIDN'T, SO NOBODY UP HERE MADE THIS THING UP. 
          THIS ACTUALLY CAME FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY THE PERSON WHO RAISED THE MONEY AND OPENED THEN STARTED LIBRARY, UM, INITIALLY, AND THEN SHE WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER IT HER SENIOR SETTING, EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHO THIS THAT'S WHO THIS INFORMATION CAME FROM. 
          AS FAR AS THE IDEA OF GOING DOWN THERE. 
          UM, TO MY, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I WAS ACTUALLY THERE WHEN SHE SAID IT. 
          SO, UM, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, LIKE, UM, THIS ISN'T A PERSONAL THING HERE. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULD WE SPEND THE MONEY IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND MAKE IT IN A BETTER, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? SO WE WOULD JUST SPEND THE MONEY TO SPEND THE MONEY JUST CAUSE, OR DO WE TRY TO DO THE BEST THING? LIKE I WOULD WANT IT TO HAPPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          I THOUGHT WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THE DATA RIGHT NOW TO TELL US IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SO WE COULD MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE FOR US. 
          BUT, UM, I JUST HATE TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT TO, TO, TO MAKE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE PLACE, THE BEST POSSIBLE LOCATION THAT EVERYBODY DESERVES. 
          AND THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON FOR ASKING THE EXTRA 
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QUESTIONS. 
          SURE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR BECAUSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE UP HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT IMPRESSION OF WHAT BEST IS AND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED AND GONE DOWN THE ROAD OF IS A BEAUTIFUL CENTER. 
          WOULD THE LOCATION A DIFFERENT LOCATION BE BETTER MAYBE, BUT WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ALL DAY. 
          MAYBE THE LOCATION NEEDS TO BE ON REAGAN. 
          MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE ON HERE AWAY. 
          MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE THREE OF THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, OUR FACILITY STUDY EVEN SAID WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE. 
          SO I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S UNFAIR TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION. 
          THAT'S DEFINITELY BETTER. 
          THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. 
          AND I JUST SAID, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE INFORMATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WAITING ON. 
          THAT'S MY WHOLE POINT RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M LOOKING AT IT, A TIMING ISSUE. 
          THAT'S PART OF WHAT? YES. 
          UM, SO WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? DO YOU NEED OF VOTE LATER OR THIS WELL, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THE FEDERAL FUNDS FUNDING. 
          SO IS THAT GOING TO SIGNAL TO YOU IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE AT THE SAME LOCATION OR DO YOU KIND OF NEED EACH OF US TO SAY RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHERE WE'RE LEANING ON IT ON THE LOCATION? I WOULD PREFER. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE, WE, WE, WE TALK AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT AT RETREATS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'VE ACTED AS A BODY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          I HAVE NOT, IF WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THIS, I DO NOT RECALL IT. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          OTHER THAN THE CONCEPT OF, THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOCATION, THIS WOULD BE A BETTER LOCATION. 
          THAT'S ALL I'VE HEARD. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN WHY. 
          UH, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A, OKAY. 
          I DON'T WANT IT. 
          I DON'T WANT IT HERE. 
          I DON'T WANT IT THERE. 
          AND IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE BETTER OVER THERE. 
          HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON, THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOCATION OR THIS WOULD BE A BETTER LOCATION. 
          THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING SCIENTIFIC OR OTHERWISE THAT HOW CAN I MAKE THAT DECISION? YEAH. 
          THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION. 
          LET'S GO WITH IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET $500,000, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE THE DECISION, HOW, HOW DOES, HOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT DECISION? WE OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S ONE, ONE FACTOR WE OWN THE OTHER PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL. 
          WE OWN BOTH. 
          UM, I HEAR THAT ONE IS DANGEROUS AND ONE IS NOT WHY, WHY IS ONE DANGEROUS, MORE AND EASIER TO GET? I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          UM, I MEAN, I SEE IT ONE WAY AND SOMEBODY ELSE SEES IT ANOTHER WAY. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          WE'RE DECIDING ON $500,000 ON A HYPOTHETICAL LOCATION, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          SO LET ME JUST, AND I'LL TAKE ALL THE LUMPS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS OBVIOUSLY STALLED. 
          AND I KNOW THERE WASN'T, SINCE I ARRIVED IN DECEMBER NINE, 10 AND OTHER WASN'T TOTAL UNANIMITY ON, ON WHEN. 
          AND I THINK THAT IT DID GET STALLED IN PART BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL DELTA AS WELL. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE WENT THROUGH THE CIP. 
          MARK WAS ALREADY GOING THROUGH THE VALUE ENGINEERING REVALUE. 
          WAS IT REVALUING? CORRECT. 
          AND SO WE JUST TOOK, WE PUT IT ON THE LIST TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME POTENTIAL FOR A NEAR TERM OPTION. 
          WOULD THEY KICK IN SOMETHING ON THE CONGRESSIONAL SIDE? AND WOULD WE GO AFTER A COUPLE OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THAT GAP UP? THAT BEING SAID WITH THAT, THERE'S SOME ASSUMPTION THAT IF YOU'RE DOING DESIGN AND YOU'RE GOING, YOU GETTING IT READY TO BID THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME LEVEL OF SITE SELECTION ALREADY. 
          WE'RE NOT AS DEEP IN THE SITE SELECTION, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE LOOKING AT BOTH NORTHLINE AND GREENFIELD. 
          AND I THINK HOPEFULLY WHEN WE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'LL BE CLOSER TO THAT TO THEN NARROW THAT FURTHER, OR AT LEAST TO START, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME, SOME DIRECTION ON MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT THIS WAS JUST ONE OPTION. 
          I FELT LIKE IF WE AT LEAST DID NOT SHOW YOU THE OPTION THAT WE WEREN'T DOING OUR PART, JUST TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE. 
          SO AM I HEARING THAT IT'S FOUR LOCATIONS AS AN OPTION NOW? WELL, IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN PIECE WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY HAVE A FULLY BAKED DESIGN AND A RELATIVELY KNOWN COST, EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW THE COST ARE MOVING FAST, IF YOU MOVE TO ANOTHER SITE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW DESIGN COST AND POTENTIALLY HIGHER. 
          SO YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT DESIGN AND PUT IT ON ANOTHER PIECE OF LAND. 
          IT ONLY FIT RIGHT THERE. 
          NO, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT YOU'RE, BUT I, BUT I WOULD SOUND LIKE MR. GRIMSLEY, I MUST SAY, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT THE ONE THING I, I WOULD ADD EACH SITE, AND THIS IS WHERE THE ENGINEERS AND AGGIES COME IN. 
          EACH SITE HAS SOME SPECIFIC SITE RELATED IMPROVEMENTS, BE 
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THE DRAINAGE UTILITIES, UH, WATER WASTEWATER, UH, EVEN THE TYPE OF GROUND YOU'RE ON THAT HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN. 
          SO AN ELEVATION CHANGES. 
          AND THEN YOU MENTIONED, UH, ROADWAY, ACCESS, UH, SIGHT LINES. 
          DO YOU NEED TO ADD A SIGNAL? AND THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWN COSTS ON THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE DEEPER IN THAT PROCESS. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE LOCATION, IT COULD END UP BEING EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING, OR IT COULD BE LESS, IT JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THE FULL DROP THE FOOTPRINT ON, GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE. 
          YOU WOULDN'T KNOW. 
          MY GUESS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A CAR. 
          THEY NEVER SEEM TO GET CHEAPER THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DOWN. 
          IT COULD STAY EVEN OR GO UP, BUT THIS LAND WAS DONATED. 
          AM I RIGHT? SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE LAND. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO GO UP. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DOWN, GOING TO WORK. 
          CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PURCHASE LAND TO PUT PUBLIC WORKS EXPANSION. 
          WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THE EXPANSION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BY GENE AND LAND. 
          SO THEN YEAH, BUT WE CAN BUY THE CHEAPEST LAND FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THE LOT OF IT DOESN'T NEED. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING TO SPLIT UP PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID, BUT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          WHAT'S THE COST OF THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M SORRY, NICOLE. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU, WHAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR THAT GRANT AGAIN? WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DEADLINE? THE DEADLINE THAT THEY WERE TOLD IS WITH THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT HAD TO BE SUBMITTED TOMORROW. 
          SO THEY REALLY WANT THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOES ANYBODY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE A RUSHED DECISION LIKE THAT? WHAT'S THE PROJECT THAT RIGHT NOW TOTAL COST TOTAL COSTS. 
          WHEN WE ASKED PGL TO DO A STUDY IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR OF 2021, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID IT'S APPROXIMATELY $6 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WAS THE BOND? WHAT, WHAT, WHEN IT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND CAUSE I HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          WHAT DID, WHAT DID THEY TELL THE PUBLIC 4 MILLION, $181,000 BY THE COMMITTEE IN 2015 WAS ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          YOU SURE DON'T START? OR WHAT? WE'RE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 8:03 PM. 
          WELCOME BACK, MR. TIMMONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, MATT. 
          KEELEN GLORIA. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO THE VOTERS VOTED ON THIS SIX YEARS AGO. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR MR. POWER. 
          SO WE HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO USE A BOND, RIGHT? SO YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I KNOW THIS IS FOR HIM. 
          SO, AND, AND UH, MR. THOMPSON, I SPOKE ACTUALLY FOR THE SENIOR CENTER BONDS THAT A TEN-YEAR PROVISION DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, ALREADY BORROWED THE MONEY, THE TENURE, UM, USE IT OR LOSE IT PROVISION. 
          AND THE CITY CHARTER IS ONLY FOR, UH, BONDS THAT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE VOTERS, BUT NOT ISSUED. 
          SO THE, THE REC CENTER, I MEAN THE SENIOR CENTER BONDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED. 
          SO THERE'S NOT A, AND SO FAR WE USE 400,000 FOR THE ARCHITECTURE. 
          SO THAT'S ALREADY SPENT, OKAY. 
          TELL MR. TOMPKINS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          THAT WAS, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT AFTER, BECAUSE WE WERE IN DISCUSSION WITH LIKE ST GABRIEL, UH, ATHLETIC COMPLEX AND SO FORTH, AND WE KNEW WE ARE ON A LIMITED TIMEFRAME, BUT WE HAVEN'T DRAWN THOSE DOLLARS DOWN. 
          SO WANTING TO SHARE THAT. 
          SO KNOWING THAT WE HAVE JUST HISTORICALLY, WE'VE HAD THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO LOCATIONS AS OPTIONS, HAS ANYONE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER NOW AND THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO, DO THEY CARE WHERE IT IS OR DO THEY JUST WANT IT DONE? NOBODY'S ASKED, OH YES. 
          WAIT, WHAT DID THEY SAY? BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM ONE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT WE, WE KNOW THAT FULLY, THIS WILL TRIGGER. 
          YOU MIGHT HIT FOR MORE. 
          SO DO I, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL TRIGGER. 
          YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM MORE, BUT, UM, WHAT WE GATHER, UM, SORT OF UNOFFICIALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT SCIENTIFICALLY, BUT, UH, YES, THEY WANT IT DONE. 
          THAT'S FIRST AND FOREMOST, SECOND, MOST OF THEM DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH MUNICIPAL DRIVE AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO THEY HAVE A PREFERENCE ONE OR THE OTHER, OR ARE THEY JUST MAINLY JUST GET IT DONE? AND WE REALLY DON'T CARE THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY REASONING OR MY THOUGHT PROCESS FOR THEM OR FROM THEM. 
          MY ASSUMPTION IS LET'S GET IT AND IS 
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THAT CAUSE IF WE HAVEN'T WORKED ON IT AS A STAFF, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'VE GONE AND ASKED THAT QUESTION TO THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY GO THERE. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY SON, BUT PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GO, WHERE ARE WE HAVE ABOUT 300 ACTIVE ADULT MEMBERS? AND I CAN SHARE THAT MANY OF THEM HAVE SHARED WITH US PERSONALLY AND VERBALLY THAT ONE THEY WANT IT DONE. 
          AND TWO IT'S OKAY TO BE ADMINIS WE'LL DRIVE. 
          I WILL SAY ANECDOTALLY, EVERY TIME I VISITED WITH ACTIVE ADULTS, UM, THEY ALL HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT WHEN ARE YOU BUILDING THE SENIOR CENTER? I WANT IT DONE NOW. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND I THINK THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN UP HERE FOR A WHILE, WE'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS OVER THE YEARS FROM THE RESIDENTS, UM, SAYING, JUST BUILD IT, PUT THE SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AND BUILD IT. 
          AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS ABOUT MUNICIPAL DRIVE EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON. 
          I DON'T IT FOR ME, IT WASN'T ABOUT WHETHER IT'S THE BEST SIDE OR NOT THE BEST SITE. 
          IT WAS JUST THAT WE WERE TOLD ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS THAT WE WOULD BE GIVEN DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          SO WE COULD LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE, WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE BEST USE OF FACILITIES FOR OUR CITY AS A WHOLE. 
          AND SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND HERE WE ARE TODAY UP AGAINST A DEADLINE THAT'S DUE TOMORROW. 
          THAT WOULD BE SMART FOR US TO DO BECAUSE THEN WE'RE REALLY NOT OUT OF POCKET. 
          IF WE WIN THE GRANT, UM, FOR THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT ON DESIGN, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO HOPEFULLY CUT THE DELTA DOWN FOR WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ARE. 
          BUT I GUESS THE CONCERN IS NOT ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE BRINGING UP ABOUT THE SITE OF MUNICIPAL. 
          IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR WHAT ARE THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE IS WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO WE HAVE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE FACILITIES AT ONE PLACE, OR WE CAN USE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE. 
          WE KNOW WE ARE PLANNING FOR THAT ARE COMING UP. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND DIFFERENT SITES FOR FACILITIES. 
          AND HERE WE ARE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME NOW WE'VE MET AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION. 
          AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OFFICIAL INFORMATION FROM THE SENIORS THAT ARE IN THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE THE ACTIVE ADULTS, UM, WHETHER WE TOOK A FACEBOOK POST OR WHETHER WE ASKED THEM AT MULTIPLE, UH, EVENTS THAT WE HAVE JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF THEIR TAKE, INSTEAD OF ALL OF US GUESSTIMATING OR LOOKING AT EMAILS THAT WE GOT FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE REALLY COULD HAVE ASKED THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN USING THAT. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A BAD POSITION TO BE IN. 
          SO I, I WISH WE COULD GET THE GRANT AND THAT WE WOULD DO THAT. 
          BUT I ALSO WISH THAT THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE AGREED UPON WERE ALSO PROVIDED IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE PROVIDED, WHICH IS NO FAULT OF YOU. 
          NO, AND WE ACTUALLY, IN, IN, UM, JULY, JUNE, JULY OF 2020, WE REQUESTED THAT WE ALLOCATE $8,000 FOR A SITE SELECTION STUDY AND THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO PROVIDE THOSE TYPE OF INFORMATION. 
          AND IT'S SORT OF MORPHED INTO A FACILITY, A CITY FACILITY, WIDE PLAN. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S ALSO HELPING YOU HOPEFULLY WILL HELP YOU MAKE SOME DIRECTION IN TERMS OF THE TIMING AND THE MOVING PARTS AND KEEP IN MIND. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GREENFIELD THING BECAUSE WE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY BECOMES VERY COMPLICATED ONCE THEY THINK THE CITY'S LOOKING AT PROPERTY, I JUST TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE. 
          SO LET'S SAY THEORETICAL THAT YOU ALL SAY GO GREENFIELD. 
          IF WE GO FOR A GREENFIELD, WE THEN HAVE TO SECURE THAT GREENFIELD SITE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LAND PLANNING FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE CITY HALL, SENIOR CENTER, WHATEVER ON THAT LARGER SITE, BUT WE WOULD FIRST HAVE TO SECURE IT. 
          SO THERE THAT'S A DEGREE OF SITE SELECTION JUST IN WITH THAT, LET'S SAY, JUST WORKING DOWN FROM TO TWO SIDES, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER PIECE. 
          IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT IT AT A GREENFIELD OR YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF NORTH LINE, UH, WITH A LIBRARY COMPONENT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO REHAB THE LIBRARY. 
          THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSTRUCT, LET'S SAY IT WAS NORTHLINE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT A CITY HALL WITH A GROUND FLOOR LIBRARY. 
          LIKE SOME OF THE CITIES IN DFW IS FEED THAT HABIT LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THE SENIOR CENTER, A REHAB, THE LIBRARY FOR THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          SO JUST IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, THAT COULD EASILY BE. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, WE CAN, EVEN IF WE PUNT ON THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GO AFTER MONEY, UH, FOLLOWING YEAR OR, OR AFTER MORE MONEY, 
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WHICH WE COULD ALWAYS DO THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW, 36 MONTHS YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT 36 MONTHS BETWEEN DESIGNING A CITY HALL. 
          IF WE HAD A SITE, INCLUDING THE LIBRARY, THEN VACATING THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, AND THEN DESIGNING THOSE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, PROBABLY AT LEAST 36 MONTHS WAS PROBABLY EVEN AGGRESSIVE. 
          AND BASED ON THE FACILITY'S PLAN, THAT MEANS WE'RE BEHIND BECAUSE THEY RECOMMENDED TWO SENIOR CENTERS AND YOU'RE TELLING ME WE WON'T EVEN GET ONE IN THREE YEARS. 
          WELL, IF IT, IF IT'S A DOMINO THING WHERE YOU'RE, YOU WOULD THEN MOVE INTO AN EXISTING BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT USE CLEARED OUT OF THE LIBRARY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD RUN SOME THINGS CONCURRENTLY IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN PIECE, BUT YOU CERTAINLY COULDN'T OCCUPY IT FOR THAT UNTIL THE LIBRARY PIECE MOVED TO THE CITY HALL. 
          AND I THINK THE CITY HALL CRADLE TO GRAVE, WELL, ALEX IS HERE TOO. 
          IF WE WERE IN NORTH LINE FROM THIS MOMENT, WOULDN'T 18 MONTHS FROM DESIGN TO CONSTRUCTION TO PUNCH LISTS TO EVERYTHING ON CITY HALL, B SUPPLY CHAIN. 
          WOULD THAT BE, UM, AGGRESSIVE? SO PROBABLY CLOSER TO 24 JUST ON THE, ON THE CITY HALL. 
          SO HERE, MR. THOMAS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION HERE AND I THINK TO GET YOU TO WHERE YOU WANT TO BE GLOBALLY, THE MAJORITY OF US NEED TO SAY MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO, UM, AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE ALL GOT VARYING OPINIONS. 
          I WILL TELL YOU WHERE I STAND. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FACILITY STUDY AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO GO INTO MR. PREVALENCE POINT. 
          UM, THERE'S, UH, THERE CAN BE SOME DOMINO EFFECT HERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE FOR THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE WORK. 
          WE'VE GOT SO MANY AVAILABLE TO US. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET OFF CENTER AND USE SOME MUNICIPAL DRIVE SPOT AND GET THIS THING MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WILL BE, IT, WOULDN'T BE TOO FARFETCHED TO REPURPOSE THAT IF WE DID MOVE SOME STUFF AROUND DOWN THE WAY. 
          UM, BUT I THAT'S THE DIRECTION I FEEL WE NEED TO GO. 
          SO IF I CAN PULL UP THE NEXT SLIDE, IT JUST GIVES YOU IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. BEVERLY WAS JUST SPEAKING OF, I JUST TOOK A BASIC TIMELINE IF, AND I STARTED ON MAY 5TH AT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. 
          AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE SOME TIME TO DIRECTION, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW THE PERMITTING PROCESS WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS, UM, BID DOCUMENT REVIEW POSTING A BID NOTICE STAFF BID REVIEW RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          PROBABLY NOT EVEN UNTIL THIS FALL NOTICE PROCEED ISSUED SOMETIME AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR CONSTRUCTION PERIOD FOR US. 
          UH, THE SENIOR CENTER WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF NEXT YEAR, UH, 12 TO 15 MONTHS, PROBABLY OF A, BUILD-OUT MAYBE CLOSER TO 12, UH, AND THEN SENT OUR COMPLETION GRAND OPENING. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MAYBE EVEN LATE AS MARCH, DEPENDING ON, AS HE SAID, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND CONTRACTORS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE, WE COULD BE, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE OPEN EVEN IF WE HAD THE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD ON MAY 5TH. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT EARLY 20, 24 BEFORE WE'D MOVE IN, UH, TO A NEW SENIOR CENTER. 
          HOW DOES THAT COINCIDE WITH THE ACTIVITY CENTER THAT WE'VE ALREADY LEASED? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, IT COINCIDES REALLY WELL BECAUSE WE, WE TOOK OUT A THREE-YEAR LEASE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UH, FOR ME, I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, IT DOES SOUND LIKE IT WOULD BE A LONG WAYS AWAY IF WE WERE TO START LOOKING NOW AT OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, WE'VE DONE THE WORK HERE. 
          SOME COUNCIL BEFORE US DID MAKE THAT SELECTION AND, UM, AND THE VOTERS SPOKE ON IT. 
          SO I SAY, PUT THE SHOVEL IN THE GROUND, LET'S DO IT. 
          YOU CAN OFFSET IT WITH MORE GRANTS. 
          LET'S DO IT. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT OVERALL, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, NO MATTER WHAT IS YOU HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON IT. 
          SO I THINK THAT GETS YOU THE ANSWER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, WHETHER THAT'S MY OPINION OR NOT, I I'M, WHAT I'LL SAY IS, UM, NO MATTER WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT MOVE FORWARD, UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT I'M GOING TO STAND BY COUNCIL NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO. 
          UM, LIKE I, LIKE I WOULD DO ON ANY OTHER VOTE TOO. 
          AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO DO, TRYING TO BE RESOURCEFUL AND TRYING TO LIKE BE CREATIVE AND SAY, HOW DO YOU MAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE THING WORK HERE? WHY, WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE'RE UP AGAINST IT AND WE'VE JUST RUN OUT OF TIME, THEN WE RUN OUT OF TIME. 
          IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN SAN GABRIEL TO ME. 
          UM, I, I WON'T GO INTO MY THOUGHTS THERE, BUT, UM, I HAVE THOUGHTS THERE AND, UM, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE WHEN WE NEED THOSE FIELDS AND WE NEED TO GET THEM AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL DECIDES. 
          THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING THE BEST POSSIBLE THING HERE. 
          THEN I'LL STAND BEHIND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. 
          BUT, UM, THAT IS NOT THE WAY I FEEL RIGHT NOW, 
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OBVIOUSLY BY MY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES, IS IT MAJORITY, DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS, MR. THOMAS? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT THE DIRECTION YOU WANTED? I THINK I DID. 
          JUST, DIDN'T JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CONTINUALLY TAKING OUR STAFF TIME TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP PURSUING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE JOE CONSENSUS AND YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ANY OF THOSE APPROVALS. 
          SO, BUT THIS'LL HELP US MOVE DOWN THE ROAD AND AT LEAST THE BIDDING PROCESS, THE REVIEW PROCESS AND GETTING THINGS SORT OF BACK ON TRACK IN THAT WAY WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM AND OUR OTHER CITY STAFF. 
          THANK YOU, MR. THOMAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A FEW MORE SLIDES, BUT YOU MAY NOT WANT US TO GO THROUGH THAT, BUT, UM, JUST TO QUICKLY, UH, OLD TOWN PARK, UH, RECEIVED AN UPDATE FROM OUR ARCHITECT PLACE DESIGNERS ON FOUR 11, BASED UPON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, UH, CITY MANAGEMENT REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF A NEW CITY HALL AND THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR OLD TOWN, THE OLD TOWN PARK HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO A SOMEWHAT SMALLER SCOPE OF WORK WITH MOSTLY LANDSCAPING'S SHADE TREES, BENCHES, SIDEWALKS, KEEPING THE DESIGN ASSUMPTIONS FOR THOSE FUTURE ELEMENTS IN PLACE. 
          SO WE CAN WE'LL DO THOSE WATER TOWERS OR REDUCE SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT, UH, AS WE BEGAN LOOKING AT IT AS A CITY, UM, THE, THE, THE WATER JETS AND OUR, WE JUST HEARD A TWO HOUR WATER REPORT. 
          AND SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE'VE, WE'VE BACKED OUT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO THEM AT A LATER DATE, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT WE, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD BEAUTIFICATION. 
          WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, OF COURSE, A LOT OF THE ENTITIES THAT ARE COMING IN AROUND US RESTAURANTS PRIMARILY, UH, AND SOME OTHER, UH, RETAIL AND SO FORTH. 
          SO WE WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE A PR, A NICE PERSON. 
          UH, AND IT'S STILL GOT TO COME BACK TO YOU TOO. 
          SO IN PREPARATION FOR THE BAND, THE ARCHITECT IS CURRENTLY REVISING THE DRAWINGS, SHOW THE MODIFIED SCOPE OF WORK. 
          UH, HE'S LOOKING TO, TO, TO, UH, DO AS ADDITIONAL SERVICE REQUEST ACTUALLY TOMORROW. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT IN. 
          AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT UPDATED BID DOCUMENTS TO THE PROJECT MANAGER, BUT PROBABLY IN MID MAY TO GET THOSE OUT AND GET THOSE UNDERWAY BRYSON FARMSTEAD, UH, THE CITY TEAM SENT PROGRAMMING CONCEPTS TO THE CON THE CONSULTANT FISHER HECK ON APRIL 4TH, FISH REC IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE REPURPOSING PLAN ALONG WITH CONCEPTUAL SITE LAYOUTS AND FLOOR PANS PLANS TO BRING TO YOU PROJECT MANAGEMENT AS ANTICIPATING TO VIEW UPDATES AND CONCEPTS. 
          BY AGAIN, MID MAY, THE CONSULTANT WILL BE SENDING YOU THE CITY AND UPDATED PROJECT SCHEDULE TOMORROW, ACTUALLY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON BOTH OF THOSE, THE GOLF CLUB DRIVING RANGE. 
          UH, OUR CONTRACT WITH FLEET WOOD CONSTRUCTION WAS COMPLETED AND OFFICIALLY SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES. 
          EARLIER THIS MONTH, CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BEGIN ON JUNE 20TH AND BE FINISHED BEFORE AUGUST 20TH OF THIS YEAR, THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS OF GRASS GROW IN PERIOD, OR APPROXIMATELY SEPTEMBER 20TH. 
          WE EXPECT TO REOPEN AND WE'RE LOOKING AND ANTICIPATING A RIBBON CUTTING GRAND OPENING IN LATE SEPTEMBER, THE 1ST OF OCTOBER WITH EVERYONE. 
          SO WE'RE ON TARGET ON THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR UPCOMING EVENTS IS THE FUN PART. 
          UM, UH, FRIDAY, TOMORROW NIGHT WE HAVE IN CONSOLE, UH, THE MOVIE. 
          SO BRING YOUR FAMILY, BRING YOUR KIDS WONDERFUL MOVIE, UH, SATURDAY, APRIL 23RD. 
          THE NEXT NIGHT WE HAVE OUR OLD TOWN SUNSET OLD TOWN PARK, SUNSET MUSIC FESTIVAL FEATURING MATT, MATT CALDWELL, A VERY EXCELLENT SINGER UP AND COMING. 
          UH, TUESDAY NIGHT WE HAVE OUR FIRST TEEN FOCUS GROUP AT THE OR ACTIVITY CENTER, BUT THEN SATURDAY, MAY 7TH. 
          WE HAVE OUR MAJOR KITE FESTIVAL AT THE VINE LAKE. 
          AGAIN, WE COME BACK LATER IN THE MONTH. 
          WE HAVE OUR SUNSET MUSIC SERIES AT OLD TOWN PARK AND THAT'S FEAST FEATURING TREVOR HOLT. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER MOVIE IN THE PARK PAW PATROL ON FRIDAY, MAY 27TH, SATURDAY, JUNIOR 11TH, SWEETHEART DANCE. 
          Y'ALL BRING YOUR SWEETHEARTS. 
          UM, AND THEN SATURDAY, JUNE 18TH, WE HAVE, UH, THE SONS, THE FINAL SUNSET MUSIC SERIES, JUNE 10TH, JUBILEE AND OLD TOWN PARK FEATURING THE GREAT GROUP DYSFUNCTION JUNCTION. 
          SO THAT WILL BE VERY POPULAR. 
          SUMMER CAMPS WILL BE STARTING THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE THROUGH THE WEEK OF AUGUST THROUGH THE WEEK, THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT A GREAT SUMMER COMING UP. 
          WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. THOMAS. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ELECTION UPDATE WITH MR. NEW OKAY, GOOD EVENING. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL MIKE NEW CHIEF OF STAFF. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT QUICKER THAN OUR OTHER TWO REPORTS, BUT SINCE WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE WITH COUNCIL, WE WILL BE TWO DAYS AWAY FROM ELECTION DAY. 
          SO I WANTED TO 
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MAKE SURE THAT WE UPDATED YOU ON OUR PROGRESS PROGRESS THUS FAR, AND KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND THE PUBLIC, AN IDEA, AND THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM, UM, THAT THIS ELECTION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UM, COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THIS, BUT, UM, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP ON THIS BALLOT, THERE'S NINE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THREE DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          UM, PLAYS THREE IN PLAYS, FIVE PLAYS, THREE HAS FOUR CANDIDATES PLACED FIVE IS THREE CANDIDATES. 
          WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL FOR A RUNOFF. 
          UM, THAT'S, IT'S A VERY ACTIVE BALLOT, AT LEAST FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION. 
          WE ALSO HAVE 15 PROPOSITIONS, UH, ON THE SPECIAL ELECTION FOR THIS BALLOT, CAPITAL METRO SALES TAX, AND THEN 13 OTHER HOME RULE CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSITIONS. 
          SO A VERY, VERY BUSY, VERY, VERY LOADED BALLOT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THAT KIND OF COMPLICATED THINGS, UH, THIS YEAR THAT WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY, UH, THE PO OFFICE AND THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY ON WORKING THROUGH, UH, THIS, THIS YEAR'S ELECTION. 
          UNLIKE PREVIOUS ELECTIONS IS MANAGED BY BOTH WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY WILLIAMSON COUNTY USED TO COVER OUR TRAVIS COUNTY RESIDENTS, UM, AND MANAGE THE ELECTION, UH, FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTY LINE. 
          BUT THIS YEAR, UH, WE ARE, I KNOW, UH, DARREN'S TEAM IS DOING DOUBLE TIME WORKING WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY ELECTIONS AND TRAVIS COUNTY ELECTIONS. 
          AND, AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN AS DELAYED, OUR ABILITY TO KIND OF GATHER ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GET US, UM, THE INFORMATION WE WANTED TO GET THE GUIDES OUT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S DELAYED THE TIMING A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE THE GUIDES OUT AND I'LL, I'LL FOCUS ON THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM SORRY. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          DO YOU KNOW, LIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON WHY THAT CHANGED? WHY WILLIAMSON COUNTY ISN'T TAKING CARE OF TRAVIS COUNTY THIS YEAR, OR IF THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          SO THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AROUND THERE, SO WHICH CAN CROSS COUNTY LINES, BUT WILLIAMSON COUNTY TOLD US IN 2021, THEY WERE NO LONGER CROSSING COUNTY LINES TO TAKE IN, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WORKLOAD AND TIME AND JUST THE SIZES OF THE POPULATION THAT'S GROWING IN THE AREA. 
          SO THEY WENT BACK TO SEPARATE, THEY DON'T TAKE ANYBODY. 
          WE WERE THE LAST CITY THAT THEY TOOK IN. 
          SO THIS IS JUST OUR FUTURE REALITY NOW. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU, DORA. 
          WE ALSO HAVE FAQ'S, THIS IS UNLIKE OTHER ELECTIONS. 
          WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FOR GENERAL ELECTION CANDIDATES, EVEN FOR, UM, HOMEWORLD CHARTER AMENDMENTS. 
          TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE DESCRIPTORS, BUT, UH, THIS WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PROPOSITION NAME, PROPOSITION B HAVE A LOT, THERE'S A LOT PACKED INTO THOSE PROPOSITIONS, THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES FOR EACH ONE, HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED, HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WE PREPARED AND KIND OF VETTED, UH, THAT ARE ON OUR WEBSITE AND THAT, UH, OR AT LEAST MENTIONED, UM, IN OUR VOTER GUIDE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BACKGROUND INFO, UM, AND SOME OF THE OUTREACH FOR THIS, UH, A LITTLE BROADER THAN, THAN OTHER ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF PROPOSITION EIGHT OF THE CAPITAL METRO CONTINUATION IS, IS A NEWS ITEM IN OUR REGION. 
          UM, SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO UPDATES ON OUR WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, UH, GENERAL AWARENESS, AND IN THE PAST, INSTEAD OF A, INSTEAD OF A VOTER GUIDE, I'M AN UNFOLDED BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN IT INSTEAD OF THIS, IT'S A POSTCARD. 
          WE TYPICALLY DO A POSTCARD WITH VERY BASIC INFORMATION. 
          IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS, THIS TOP PANEL RIGHT HERE FOR THIS SELECTION, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE BALLOT AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED. 
          WE WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. 
          SO VOTERS COULD BE EDUCATED. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, JUST IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, UH, WE PARTICIPATED IN TWO COMMUNITY Q AND A FORUMS. ONE OF THEM FOR CRYSTAL FALLS, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INVOLVED, I THINK FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS REPRESENTED WITH, UH, RESIDENTS, I THINK ABOUT 30 TO 40 SHOWED UP. 
          UM, AND JUST YESTERDAY, UM, WITH, UH, A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY GROUP ORGANIZED BY ONE OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          UM, WE HAD ABOUT, I THINK, 15 TO 20 FOLKS SHOW UP FOR THAT VERY LIVELY CONVERSATION. 
          A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED, MANY OF THEM COVERED IN OUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND, AND REPEATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DO COVER IN THE GUY, BUT KIND OF HELPING PEOPLE THINK THROUGH, UH, WHAT THESE OUTCOMES ARE. 
          IF THEY'RE VOTING ON PROP A AND PROP B SPECIFICALLY. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE OF, UM, THIS PROPOSITION, A CAR CONNECTION, THE POTENTIAL FUTURE OUTCOME OF, OF CAPITAL METRO SERVICE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT MORE COVERAGE ON OUR ELECTION, UM, THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST. 
          AND I'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          UM, HERE AGAIN, THIS IS A, JUST A VISUAL OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR VOTER GUIDE. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER UNIQUE THINGS IS WE DID DO A COMPLETE SPANISH TRANSLATION OF ALL DESCRIPTIONS OF PROP A B, C THOROUGH. 
          UM, UH, TRADITIONALLY IT DOES LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT FRONT IMAGE THERE. 
          UM, WHERE WE DO SAY, UH, FIRST FOR SPANISH LANGUAGE, YOU CAN CONTACT CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. 
          WE TOOK IT ONE STEP FURTHER BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS A LENGTHY BALLOT, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND DID SPANISH TRANSLATION FOR THIS INFORMATION. 
          SO, UM, WE DID TAKE AN EXTRA STEP. 
          IT DID COST A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO DO THIS, BUT I 
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THINK I'M HITTING, UM, LET ME GO BACK HITTING ABOUT 39,000 REGISTERED VOTERS IS, IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. 
          YES, I WOULD LIKED FOR EVERYBODY TO GIVE YOU AND MS. CRABTREE AND ALL THE STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS BEDROOM, GOD AND THE Q AND A, AND THE COMMUNITY OUTRAGE IT HAS BEEN IS TREMENDOUS AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          SO GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'VE GOT TO GIVE CREDIT TO, TO MY TEAM. 
          AND I LIKE SAYING THAT NOW MY TEAM IN THE PIO OFFICE, TY MAN, HE'S BACK THERE, UH, RUNNING THE CAMERA SHOW, GIVING ME TIME TO TALK UP HERE, CAROLINE VASQUEZ. 
          SHE HELPED, UH, DARRA WITH SOME OF THE, THE TRAVELING TO THE COUNTY OFFICES AND WORKING THROUGH THE TRANSLATIONS AND JUST US DISCUSSING BOTH, BOTH THE FOLKS ON MY TEAM, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER CITY STAFF THAT AREN'T IN OUR DEPARTMENTS, UH, REVIEWED, UH, THE GUIDE THAT KIND OF, KIND OF BE EXTRA EYES AND TELL US, WELL, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, OR THIS MAKES SENSE. 
          SO THEY KIND OF VETTED INTERNALLY FOR US TO GIVE US A LITTLE ASSURANCE THAT IF, IF WE HIT 39,000 HOMES WITH THIS INFORMATION, THAT, THAT PEOPLE WILL ABSORB IT, NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND WE DON'T EXPECT THEM TO, BUT, UM, THEY'LL AT LEAST ACCEPT THE INFORMATION AND MAYBE IT PIQUES THEIR INTEREST TO, TO ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS. 
          SO IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST A REMINDER, PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THAT IN THEIR MAILBOX THIS WEEK. 
          YES. 
          UM, UH, IT STARTED HITTING ON MONDAY. 
          UM, I WOULD EXPECT MOST, MOST, UH, REGISTERED VOTERS TO HAVE A COPY OF THIS IF THEY DO NOT, WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL, UH, PRINTED COPIES AT CITY HALL AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO COME IN. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOTTEN ANY CALLS YET ABOUT SOMEONE ASKING ABOUT THE GUIDE IF THEY SAW THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY DIDN'T, BUT THOSE ARE AVAILABLE. 
          WE DO HAVE EXTRA COPIES, I THINK A COUPLE OF HUNDRED, UM, IN PRINT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY AT THE LIBRARY? UM, I DID TAKE SOME OVER TWO. 
          YES. 
          I DID TAKE SOME OVER TO THE CHAMBER OFFICE AS WELL. 
          AND WE'VE GOT SOME AT THE LIBRARY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU REAL QUICKLY. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL APPRECIATE THIS, UM, AMAZING COVERAGE, UH, FROM REGIONAL MEDIA, AUSTIN BUSINESS JOURNAL, UH, COVERED PARTICULARLY PROP BAY, BUT IT GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT OUR ENTIRE ELECTION, UH, IN THAT PROCESS. 
          AND WE ENGAGED THEM ON SOME OF THE POINTED QUESTIONS INVOLVED IN POTENTIAL ELECTION OUTCOMES FOR OPPOSITION, A, UM, COMMUNITY IMPACT AS WELL, GAVE US, UH, SOME GREAT COVERAGE ON THAT AND REALLY HIT ALL OF OUR ELECTION BALLOT. 
          AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY IMPACT DOES HIT ABOUT 20 TO 25,000 MAILBOXES, UH, IN LEANDER. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE THEY HIT SOME IN CEDAR PARK TOO. 
          SO THERE'S CEDAR PARK ELECTION COVERS THERE, BUT, UM, FOR US, AS LONG AS WE'RE PROVIDING THEM CONTENT, IT IS, IT IS NO COST TO US TO HIT THOSE MAILBOXES WITH COMMUNITY IMPACT INFORMATION THAT'S. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN A BIG PLUS TO KIND OF CURB SOME COSTS AND GIVE SOME VOTERS SOME EDUCATION THAT, UH, THAT MAYBE WE WOULDN'T OTHERWISE GET. 
          AND THEN JUST, UH, SOME OTHER EXTENDED NEWS. 
          SO COUNTRY NEWS POSTED SOMETHING TODAY ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S UP FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION TONIGHT ABOUT POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE TRANSIT SERVICES. 
          AND THEN WE'VE DONE. 
          I EXPECT TO HAVE, UH, PROBABLY A FEW MORE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH OUR BROADCAST MEDIA COVERING, PARTICULARLY PROPOSITION EIGHT, BUT ALSO, UH, GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON OUR BALLOT AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR VOTERS IN LANDER TO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO, UM, I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON THIS REAL QUICKLY AFTER THE ELECTION, WE WILL HAVE UNOFFICIAL RESULTS FROM BOTH COUNTIES, AND WE'LL BE KIND OF DOING SOME MANUAL WORK TO COMBINE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          UH, THAT WILL BE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE, AS IT USUALLY IS, UH, AFTER THE POLLS CLOSED MAY 7TH. 
          SO SOMETIME LATE THAT EVENING WE'LL HAVE UNOFFICIAL RESULTS ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          UH, WE WILL CANVAS THE VOTES TO DETERMINE OFFICIAL RESULTS A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT. 
          IT MAY BE THE NEXT WEEK, THE WEEK OF MAY 9TH, UH, AT THE VERY LATEST, IT MIGHT BE THE FIRST OR SECOND DAY OF THE WEEK AFTER, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN A FEW DAYS WE WILL HAVE OFFICIAL RESULTS FOR THE ELECTION. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, UM, SOME OF OUR EVALUATIONS AND OUR FOLLOW UP WILL BE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A ONE-OFF ELECTION, UH, IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY ON PLACE THREE AND FIVE, AND THEN WE'LL EVALUATE CERTAINLY THE RESULTS OF ALL OF THE PROPOSITIONS AND THEN CONSIDER WHAT FUTURE ACTIONS COUNCIL MAY NEED TO TAKE BASED ON THOSE OUTCOMES. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CANVASSING. 
          IS THERE GOING TO BE A CHANGE TO THAT SINCE WE'RE GOING THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT COUNTIES? THAT WOULD BE DARK QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION, UM, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO CANVAS. 
          WE RECEIVED THAT FROM PAUL YES. 
          FROM BOTH COUNTIES SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY COMBINE THAT INFORMATION. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE NOW, UM, EARLY VOTING AGAINST GOING TO START NEXT WEEK? UM, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO START NEXT WEEK. 
          IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, IT'S BEEN YEARS AWAY SINCE WE FIRST KIND OF STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTION, 
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BUT IT WILL START NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, AND ALL OF THE DATES AND TIMES ARE LISTED IN THE GUIDE AND THE PAPER GUIDE AS WELL AS ON OUR WEBSITE, IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE WE HAD THE VOTER GUIDE TRANSLATED SO THAT A GOOD MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY READ IT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT'S IN A LANGUAGE THAT'S FAMILIAR TO THEM. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. 
          SO, MR. NEW, THANK YOU. 
          UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN THE MOST CONFUSING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO OR THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? UM, I KNOW, AND, AND I'LL SHARE THIS WITH COUNSEL BASED ON JUST THE FEEDBACK AND THE TWO Q AND A SESSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY GROUPS. 
          UM, THEY ALL WANT TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH IN THEIR OWN MIND. 
          THEY WANT TO WALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES. 
          WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS, WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT, AND DRAWING THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN PROPOSITION AND PROPOSITION B, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, CONDITIONAL UPON A NO VOTE ON PROPOSITION A, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SALES TAX PRO, BUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS ASKING, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE HAVE A LOT OF LANGUAGE THAT EXPLAINS, BUT YOU STILL KIND OF WANT TO PUT IT IN, IN PLAIN TERMS AND DRAW SOME CONCLUSIONS ON THAT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A HARD TIME DOING BECAUSE WE NEED TO COVER ALL ANGLES. 
          WE NEED TO COVER ALL BASES AND WE DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD SOMEONE BY BEING TOO SIMPLE ABOUT IT. 
          SO, UM, IT JUST GETTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES THERE. 
          UM, AND I EXPECT WE'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS NOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THEIR MAILBOX. 
          IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'M MAKING OUR CITY ATTORNEY NERVOUS. 
          SO SHALL WE, DO YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW I ANSWER, RIGHT. 
          SHALL WE, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WE GET A LOT, SHOULD WE SEND THEM TO YOU SO YOU CAN UPDATE THE WEBSITE? UH, YES. 
          AND IF, AND WE'LL, AGAIN, WE'LL VET THOSE THROUGH OUR CITY ATTORNEYS SO THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, OBJECTIVE AND ACCURATE FACTS INFORMATION. 
          BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS WE WILL UPDATE OUR FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS GOING INTO THE EARLY VOTING PERIOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COUNSEL, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ELECTION? WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. NEW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN OUR BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 8:33 PM. 
          AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE BACK INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING. 
          WE ARE IN RECESS AT 8 33. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE ARE GOING TO RECONVENE BACK INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING AT 8:50 PM. 
          [ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
WE ARE ON CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW CONSIDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, 13, 17, AND 18 HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. 
          COUNCIL YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EIGHT THROUGH 12, NUMBER 14 THROUGH 16. 
          AND NUMBER 19, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND, I HEARD A MOTION FROM PRO TEM AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MACULA AND GLORIA. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [13.  Approval of Amendment 1 to Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. Task Order KH-04 for the Roadway Impact Fee Study, for four (4) additional meetings and related services; increasing the amount by $5,000.00 for new total not to exceed $120,000.00; and authorize the City Manager to negotiate and execute any and all necessary documents; and provide an effective date.]
ITEM NUMBER 13, APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT TWO KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES INC. 
          TASK ORDER. 
          K H ZERO FOUR FOR THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE STUDY FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND RELATED SERVICES INCREASING THE AMOUNT BY $5,000 FOR NEW TOTAL, NOT TO EXCEED $120,000 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          CITY ENGINEER, BLACK HETER. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING UP. 
          UM, I PULLED THIS ONE BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO KNOW TWO THINGS. 
          WHY THE NEED FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO KEEP FROM GOING OVER THOSE FOUR, THEY SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL FOR $115,000 TO DO THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING IT WAS GOING TO HAVE ENCOMPASS A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME AND IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE MEETINGS WITH A P AND Z AND THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THE ELECTION. 
          AND THE DISCUSSION WAS HAD WITH P AND Z THAT WE COULD PUSH IT TO TRY TO GET EVERYTHING DONE BEFORE THEN, BUT NOBODY REALLY WANTED TO RUSH. 
          THEY WANTED TO GIVE MEASURED THOUGHT TO THE IDEA OF DOING THE IMPACT FEES. 
          AND SO THEY OPTED TO GO UNTIL JUNE. 
          AND SO THAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING. 
          THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS IS GOING FROM THE ORIGINAL APRIL SCHEDULE TO GETTING EVERYTHING DONE IN JUNE AFTER THE MAY ELECTION. 
          AND THEY PROGRAMMED IN A MEETING JUST FOR JUNE 2ND, ONLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF UPDATING THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON WHAT THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES ARE. 
          SO THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE VOTE ON. 
          SO THAT'S, AND SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMMITTING TO THE FOUR ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IT. 
          AND IT'LL MEET WITH OUR SCHEDULE. 
          IF WHAT WAS PNC IS CONCERNED WITH THE ELECTION, THAT IT WOULD JUST BECOME AN ELECTION ISSUE. 
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I'M SORRY, LET ME, SORRY. 
          THE P P AND Z ACTS AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO, UM, KIMBERLY HORN WAS PRESENTING TO THEM WHAT THE PROCESS WAS GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE SCHEDULE WAS GOING TO BE IN THE CALENDAR. 
          AND SO THE DISCUSSION GOT INTO HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE MAKING SURE THAT THE NEW COUNCIL IS APPROPRIATELY INFORMED AND THEY VOTE IN A WISE MANNER. 
          SO IT WAS JUST DETERMINED. 
          IT WOULD BE BEST TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE TO HAVE THE VOTE ON THE IMPACT FEES. 
          AFTER THE NEW COUNCIL HAS BEEN ELECTED AND THE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE PROCESS AND WHAT IT'S MEANT TO DO AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ACHIEVED. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WERE. 
          FOUR AND $5,000 IS A MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR, JUST FOR FOUR MEETINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO ARE THE OTHER THREE MEETINGS WITH P AND Z THEN? WELL, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE ONE FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THERE'S A ONCE THAT'S GOING INTO AND INTO JUNE THAT WARRANT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          AND WE'RE ENDING UP WITH A FEW EXTRA MEETINGS IN THE PROCESS WHEN I WAS DOING, UH, IMPACT FEES FOR GALVESTON. 
          WE WERE MEETING WITH P AND Z, EVERY MEETING, EVERY SCHEDULED MEETING FOR LIKE FOUR MONTHS. 
          IT WAS RIDICULOUS. 
          THIS IS HOW THIS IS PROCEEDING MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. 
          UM, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IS RUSHED AND EVERYBODY'S FULLY INFORMED. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE POINT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE FOUR MEETINGS. 
          NO, MA'AM OKAY. 
          AND WAS P AND Z EVER MADE AWARE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRIGGER A, A CONTRACT AMENDMENT? UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, BUT LAST WEEK WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH KIMBERLY HORN, JAKE BROUGHT UP THAT HE NEEDED TO CHARGE US FOR A FEW EXTRA MEETINGS AND I TOLD HIM, PUT IT ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSEL. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [17.  Approval of Tree Removal Case 21-TRP-002 regarding removal of Significant and Heritage Trees associated with The Square at Crystal Falls Site Development generally located on the southeast of the intersection of Crystal Falls Parkway and S. Bagdad Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
ITEM 17 APPROVAL OF TREE REMOVAL CASE 21 T R P 0 0 2 REGARDING REMOVAL OF SIGNIFICANT INHERITED TREES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SQUARE AT CRYSTAL FALLS SITE DEVELOPMENT, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY IN SOUTH BAGHDAD ROAD, LANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          GRIFFIN, GOOD EVENING. 
          I PULLED THIS ONE AS WELL. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS AT P AND Z, AND I AGREE, UM, THAT SOME OF THESE TREES DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK LIKE THEY NEED TO BE CUT LIKE THE ONES IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND SO I WAS HOPING THAT COUNCIL, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          ARE THEY HERE? I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT HERE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, BUT I CAN TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT AS TO WHY THE TREES, THE LARGEST TREES THERE THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT ARE ALL BEING CUT WHEN THEY'RE NOT DAMAGED. 
          SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN GRAY? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          UM, I ASSUME THAT IT'S DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE, THE BUILDINGS THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE UP HERE, UM, THAT ENCROACHES INTO THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE FOR THE TREE, UM, THEY, THEY COULD MAKE THE BUILDING SMALLER, UM, TO SAVE THAT TREE. 
          UH, WE DID MAKE REQUESTS LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THEY HAD CERTAIN, UM, REQUIREMENTS THEY NEEDED TO MEET WITH THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL PROJECT AND HOW THEY MAKE MONEY AND RENTING THINGS OR LEASING THINGS OUT. 
          UM, THESE OTHER TWO, THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS WITH REDESIGNING THE PARKING LOT AND MAYBE DOING AN ISLAND, UM, FOR THE, THE HERITAGE TREE. 
          UM, I JUST THINK THEY HAD A, A SET DESIGN IN THEIR MINDS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF, UH, SOME OF THE TREES. 
          UM, THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, IT HAS A INTERESTING CUT LIMB WITH A HOLE IN IT. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN ARBORIST REPORT SAYING THAT IT IS DEAD OR DYING. 
          CAUSE IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IT WOULDN'T COME BEFORE YOU. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S MEANINGFUL. 
          I'M REALLY SORRY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER I'LL KNOW. 
          IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT AT ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN, UM, THIS ONE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAS ANY ISSUES IN THE PICTURES THAT ONE'S A LITTLE GNARLY, BUT YEAH, IN ALL MY TIME UP HERE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DENIED, UM, A TREE REMOVAL CASE. 
          BUT, UM, LOOKING AT THIS ONE, IT JUST REMINDS ME OF WHY WE, WE STARTED HAVING HERITAGE TREES IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE EVERYBODY USED TO JUST CLEAR CUT WHEN THEY PUT THINGS IN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE ZERO TREES. 
          UM, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO VOTE EITHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M THERE, THEIR SITE PLAN UP HERE. 
          THEY'VE SAVED TREES ON THIS SIDE. 
          THEY'VE SAVED THESE TREES AND THOSE ARE SUBSTANTIAL TREES. 
          THEY'RE NOT LIKE TWO-INCH 
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AND THEY SAVED THIS ONE. 
          UM, AND THESE ALONG THE FRONT, UM, WE COULD HAVE THE OPTION. 
          IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WANTED TO LAY THE ACTION TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE COULD HAVE THEM COME IN AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          CORRECT? YEAH. 
          I W I MEAN, FOR A CITY THAT'S DESPERATELY SEEKING COMMERCIAL GROWTH, UM, TO SPLIT IT ON LIKE A, A TREE OR TWO IN THE MIDDLE LIKE THAT TOO, IF THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE DIFFERENT AND IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER TREES AND THERE'S THE ONLY TWO TREES ON THE PROPERTY, I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULDN'T LIKE TO DELAY IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GOTTA MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          OOPS, I'M GOING TO SECOND IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WOULD PARK AND I THINK WE WOULD, MOST OF US WOULD TRY TO GET THAT PARKING SPOT UNDER THE TREE. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO REEVALUATE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M DISAPPOINTED THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE. 
          I'M KIND OF WITH CHRIS. 
          I HATE TO SEE IT DELAYED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE, IF THERE IS A WAY, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT. 
          IF IT'S THE ONE BY THE BUILDING TO GIVE HIM THAT FEEDBACK AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THEY COULD DO AT THE BUILDING ENCOURAGES ON THE CRITICAL ROUTES ON, CAN WE NOT CUT A WAIVER AND BE LIKE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO KILL THIS RAINY WAY, CAN WE NOT JUST WAIVE THAT AND BE LIKE, I THINK, UM, IT'S SO CLOSE TO THAT PAVING. 
          LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER POINT, THAT'S THE CENTER OF THE TRUNK AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONCRETE'S TOUCHING. 
          SO IT'S PROBABLY CUTTING THE TREE. 
          TWO OF THE, THREE OF THOSE IN THE GRAY ARE ABSOLUTELY A NET RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE THAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED WITH. 
          MOST THAT PARKING LOT THAT ONE'S PRETTY EGREGIOUS. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT JUST COME AND TELL US, OH, THIS IS WHY I PICK THESE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WANT THE PARKING LOT. 
          BUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE THOUGHT THAT I PUT INTO IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE FEELING THAT I GET LOOKING AT THIS ONE HAS JUST BEEN, WELL, THIS IS FOOTPRINT THAT WE WANT AND THAT TREES IN THE WAY, AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, DID ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO Y'ALL WANT TO JUST VOTE? YEAH. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DENY, I'D RATHER POSTPONE IT TO, TO TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, AND DELAY THIS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE SOME OPTIONS. 
          HOW DOES THAT GROW UP THE PROCESS? UM, THERE ARE PLANS ARE STILL IN REVIEW, SO THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THE PROJECT YET. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE APPROVING THE PLANS TOMORROW, SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO DELAY THEM IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          IF WE DELAY THIS, IT DEPENDS. 
          THEY, MAYBE THEY FINISHED EVERYTHING NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO WEEKS, SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNCIL, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE THAT EMOTION. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DELAY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT ONE. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND GIVE HIM A REASON SO WE CAN HAVE OUR ANSWERS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD. 
          WE HAVEN'T BEEN MAKING, MAKE A DECISION. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          AND IS THERE A SECOND FOR THIS? ALL RIGHT. 
          I SECOND HIS AMENDED MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ARE WE ALL GOOD ON THAT? ALRIGHT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND OPPOSED I DIDN'T WILL YOU ON FAVOR? SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. GRIFFIN, 
          [18.  Approval of the Second Reading of an Ordinance regarding Zoning Case 22-TOD-Z-003 to amend the current zoning of PUD/TOD-CD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development – Conventional Development Sector) to adopt the San Gabriel Industrial Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning district GC-5-A (General Commercial) on two parcels of land approximately 86.9312 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031599 and R449731; and more commonly known as 9880 183A Toll Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 18 APPROVAL OF THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 T O D Z 0 0 3. 
          TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF PUD, T O D C D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR TO ADOPT THE SAN GABRIEL INDUSTRIAL MINOR PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT, GC FIVE EIGHT GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 86.9312 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          GRIFFIN, YOU ARE HERE, BUT WE HAVE, UH, SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS AND TO LET YOU KNOW THE APPLICANTS HERE, AS WELL AS PEOPLE MAKING COMMENTS. 
          SO I'M HERE. 
          IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE FIRST PERSON THAT I HAVE IS TERRY BRAY. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. BRAY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS TERRY MURRAY. 
          I LIVE IN AUSTIN. 
          UH, I'VE GOT A MAILING ADDRESS OF A PO BOX, BUT MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 1 CONGRESS. 
          UH, THE FROST TOWER. 
          UH, I REPRESENT PENSKE. 
          I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM SINCE THEY FIRST DECIDED TO, TO EXPAND THEIR CENTRAL TEXAS OPERATIONS WITH ME TONIGHT ARE THE, UH, GENERAL MANAGER FOR PENSKE AND ALL OF THE TEXAS OPERATIONS, WHICH 
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PRIMARILY ARE HERE IN AUSTIN, ROUND ROCK C, UH, LEANDER, AND ALSO IN THE VALLEY. 
          UH, ALSO JIM BOSE IS HERE. 
          HE WAS THE REAL ESTATE GUY THAT BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER AND HELPED US GO THROUGH THE PROCESS INITIALLY. 
          UM, I RECOGNIZE, AND I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL, UH, ALLOW US TO COME LATE TO THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK, BUT WE THOUGHT THIS MATTER WAS RESOLVED. 
          WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT EARLY ON WHEN WE FOUND, UH, WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AND EXPLAINED THE CONCERNS WE HAD ABOUT AUTO PARK DRIVE, WHICH IS A, UH, UH, UH, CONNECTION BETWEEN TO BE BUILT TO 69 AND THE 180 3 FRONTAGE ROAD. 
          UH, WE DID BUILD THAT CONNECTION, UH, AT OUR EXPENSE, DONATED THE RIGHT-AWAY AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, WE GENERALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT ROAD ULTIMATELY MIGHT BECOME A COMMERCIAL ROAD. 
          BUT IF SO, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS UP FOR TONIGHT, UH, WE'D LIKELY, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY AND BUILD A TRUE COMMERCIAL STREET, NOT JUST THE 25 FEET OF PAVEMENT, THAT'S THERE NOW WITH MEDIUMS AND TURN LANES AND OTHER APPROPRIATE DEVICES TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC, UH, AT P AND Z, THERE WAS A DECISION MADE THAT THE ACCESS TO THAT PROJECT PRIMARILY SHOULD COME FROM THE, UH, THREE ROADS OTHER THAN AUTO PARK, 2 69, WHICH WILL BE BUILT AS A CONNECTION NORTH, SOUTH SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY, AND THE 180 3 FRONTAGE ROAD AND THE MOTION AT P AND Z THAT CARRIED WAS TO DENY ACCESS ON AUTO PARK DRIVE. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER IN DUE TONIGHT. 
          UH, I'VE ASKED DONNA TO SHARE WITH YOU AND YOU FOLKS, I DON'T MEAN TO BURY YOU IN PAPER, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH OUR PROCESS, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY, UH, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC PROPERTY CONCERNS, BOTH ON OUR PROPERTY AND OUR ADJOINING PROPERTIES. 
          UH, THOSE CONCERNS, UH, WE FEEL REALLY ARE CONCERNS THAT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS VERY LARGE TRACT AND VERY LARGE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME, NOT HERE TONIGHT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU ADOPT THIS, THIS LONG PIECE OF PAPER THAT I GAVE YOU. 
          UM, BUT RATHER TO SAY, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF CONCERNS THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE TO BE INCLUDED IN A PUD. 
          UH, AND, UM, I, I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE FINAL BITE AT THE APPLE, BUT OUR REQUEST WOULD BE THAT YOU DENY ACCESS ON ALL THE PARTIES. 
          UH, KURT WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY ONE QUICK THING TO YOU, IF THAT'S OKAY AND JIM WILL NOT, UH, HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, OH, MR. BALL'S, YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SAY THAT HE'S TOLD ME HE DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK TO HIM. 
          HE HAS ASKED HE WANTS HIS, HIS, UH, THING READ INTO THE RECORD, HIS POSITION HE IS AGAINST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UH, KURT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? UH, NO, AND THIS IS NOT BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UH, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          INCURRED EMBER PENSKE AUTOMOTIVE GROUP, A 1 0 9 CABO DEL SOL COURT, AUSTIN, TEXAS. 
          UH, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF HONDA LEANDER. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU, MAYOR THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. 
          IT'S BEEN AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE TO LAUNCH THIS DEALERSHIP AND WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT MR. BRAY, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT A GOOD DETAILED DOCUMENT FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER, UH, OUR POSITION. 
          UM, I'M AN OPERATOR OF DEALERSHIPS. 
          I CONCERNED. 
          UH, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT, UH, MY PEOPLE, MY EMPLOYEES, AND OUR CUSTOMERS, BECAUSE WE'RE USING THAT ROAD ON THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, BIG TRUCKS, VANS, CONSTANT GOING, UH, IF IT GOES THROUGH AND I JUST WANT TO PROTECT OUR PEOPLE AND KEEP THE FLOW GOING OF OUR OPERATION, WE LOVE LEANDER. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO MORE GROWTH AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOBODY ELSE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? OKAY. 
          UM, SHOULD I TURN IT OVER TO YOU MS. GRIFFIN OR TO THE APPLICANT? SORRY. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK, OF COURSE. 
          AND SINCE YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          YOU CAN JUST SPEAK, YOU GOT IT THOUGH. 
          IT'S NICE TO KNOW YOU ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          DID I HAVE ANY, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST FOR THE RECORD? 6, 4 41 HAGGAI LINE, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UM, ON OUR DEVELOPMENT WHEN ONE, IT WILL BE BRINGING TO THE CITY, UM, AND JUST AUTO PARTS, FIVE, SEVEN, WHAT A PARK DRIVE IS IT A PUBLIC ROAD? 
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UM, WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. 
          AND IT'S CURRENTLY BUILT TO CITY TO CITY STANDARDS AND CITY CODE STANDARDS, UM, THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE'LL BE DEDICATING 48 FOOT, UH, 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, UH, ON OUR PROPERTY AND DEDICATING IT TO THE CITY AND EXPANDING AND EXTENDING AND PINAL ARE COMPLETING AUTO-PARK DRIVE, UM, TO, TO LOOP OR TO, UM, THE FUTURE COLLECTOR ROAD TO 69. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, YOU'RE DEDICATING 48 FEET OF RIGHT-AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY BUILT OF AUTO PARK DRIVE THAT CONNECTS IT TO 2 69. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO AN EXTENSION, NOT A WIDENING EXTENSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S AN INSANE, THE SAME THING WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT AND THE SAME WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S THAT'S FOR OUR USE, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC SEES, UM, AS IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD. 
          ANOTHER COMMENT WE HAD IS I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE GOING TO, OR HOW TO ENFORCE RESTRICTING CERTAIN TRUCKS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE AUTO DRIVE AND OTHER TRUCKS, NOT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEM. 
          I BELIEVE THE OPPOSITION DOES HAVE TRUCKS THAT POTENTIALLY DROPS OFF CARS, UM, ON THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD DICTATE, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES COME IN AND WHICH ONES GO OUT. 
          WE COULD ALSO MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT, SAME ARGUMENT, UM, UNPLEASANT RUN, PLEASANT RUN ROAD, PLEASANT RUN ROAD AS THE, THE PUBLIC ROAD IN BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS, UH, AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT RECOMMEND REQUIRED TO PAY AND EXTEND THAT TO 180 3. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T LIKE TO HAVE, UH, RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY CUTTING THROUGH OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT, ADDING TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING TO GET AROUND TRAFFIC. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEAL WITH. 
          UM, THAT'D BE, WE CAN'T CONTROL AND DEAL WITH ON ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS. 
          LASTLY, UM, I DON'T FORESEE THIS BEING A BIG ISSUE. 
          UM, WE DID WORK WITH PENSKE AND HONDA, UM, TO, TO READJUST OUR SITE PLAN. 
          THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO OUR DEVELOPMENT IS THAT MIDDLE CURB CUT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE A 40 FOOT WIDE, UH, BOULEVARD WITH SIGNAGE. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE THE MAIN ENTRY. 
          UM, TRUCKS WANT TO GO THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO THE, TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS CO-MINGLE THROUGH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY AT A CAR DEALERSHIP. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE ALSO DEVELOPING THAT THIRD CAR, GOT TO THE NORTH, THERE'LL BE A 36 FOOT WIDE, 36 FOOT WIDE ROAD. 
          AND IT'S ALSO MORE CONDUCIVE FOR TRUCKS AS WELL. 
          AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP THIS ONE TO INVITE HALLS UP THERE TO JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT ON OUR YEAH, HALA, SCHEFFLER, UH, PACHECO COOK ENGINEERS. 
          I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT, UM, OUR ENGINEERING FIRM DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN TERMS OF A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          UM, WE ANALYZED HERE AWAY IN 180 3, UM, SAN GABRIEL AND 180 3 AND, UM, AUTO-PARK DRIVE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND, AND FOUND THAT ALL OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS IN A FULL BUILD-OUT CONDITION WILL STILL OPERATE AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF C OR HIGHER, WHICH IS STEADY FLOW. 
          UM, SO JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNSEL QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT OR STAFF. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROBIN AND ACTUALLY MAYBE FOUR FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UM, REGARDING THE, THE PICTURE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE THAT WAS NOT IN THE PRESENTATION LAST TIME. 
          WAS IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH THAT MIDDLE ROAD, WITH YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ROBIN DON'T GO FAR. 
          THAT WASN'T. 
          IT WAS, YES. 
          MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW WE D WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THE VISUAL OF SEEING THAT ACTUAL ROAD. 
          WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE, CORRECT? THE ONE THAT THE LITTLE, THE CENTER ONE, THE CENTER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AUTO PARK DRIVE. 
          I DON'T SEE ACCESS TO YOUR PROPERTY ON AUTO-PARK DRIVE. 
          AM I CORRECT? IT'D BE IN THIS TOP SOUTHEAST CORNER, WE'VE ACTUALLY REMOVED ONE LEG OF THE WASN'T, RIGHT. 
          WASN'T WRONG. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I'M SEEING THERE IS IF SOMEONE TURNS ON TO AUTO PARK DRIVE, THEY CAN'T GET ONTO YOUR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE DRIVE THAT YOU ACTUALLY INTENDED THEM TO USE. 
          AM I CORRECT? THEY COULD GET IN THROUGH THE BACK WHERE THE, THIS, 
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THIS, UH, DRAG RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I CAN'T TELL THAT THAT'S A DRIVE. 
          UM, I JUST SEE GREEN, MAYBE IT'S THERE. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE IT. 
          SO ROBIN, UM, SO WHEN, AND, AND I GUESS WE HAVE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT BOTH PROJECTS. 
          WE COULD DO THAT, RIGHT. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN, UM, THE DEALERSHIP WAS BUILT, WAS THAT THE ROAD WE REQUIRED THEM TO BUILD THAT ROAD, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT YOU MEET THE PERIMETER BLOCK LENGTH REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT HELPS CREATE A NETWORK OF ROADS TO GET TO THE MAIN ARTERIALS. 
          SO AUTOPARK DRIVE WAS KIND OF THE FIRST PART OF CREATING THAT BLOCK. 
          SO IT WILL BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST, UM, TO THE COUNTY ROAD ON THE EAST. 
          NOW I CAN SEE THAT ROAD. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR REQUIREMENTS AT THAT TIME TO, TO WIDEN THAT ROAD WHEN FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE? NO, IT'S JUST A LOCAL ROAD, LIKE A COMMERCIAL CLASS ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDING THE, SAY ANOTHER HALF OF THE ROAD, HE'S SAYING I'M NOT RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I CAN GO LOOK AT THE PUD. 
          UM, THEY DID PUT IN THE STREET TREES ON BOTH SIDES, BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT REAL QUICK. 
          OH, WE MADE HIM PUT IN STREET TREES. 
          THAT'S CUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          HAD TO SAY THAT. 
          UM, SO THEN, SO THAT'S RESTRICTING THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE STREET TREES. 
          AND IN THEORY, LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ON STAFF THAT CAN SPEAK TO THE MATERIAL USED ON AUTO-PARK DRIVE? CAUSE I HEARD A RUMOR EARLIER THAT, UM, IT WAS DONE WITH LIKE THICKER CONCRETE OR SOMETHING TO WITHSTAND MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          SORRY, CAMERON, I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE LIKE THE AUTHORITY ON THAT OR IF WE SHOULD DEFER TO SOMEONE ELSE. 
          DEFINITELY NOT THE AUTHORITY, BUT IF YOU DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND JUST CONFIRM, WOULD THIS CAUSE ANY NORMAL OR OUT OF THE NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR US, BUT, UM, I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS THIS, THIS IS A NORMAL COMMERCIAL GROWTH. 
          THAT'S BUILT A CITY STANDARDS, SO IT'S NOT REALLY A CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          ROSS HAS COMING UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AUTO PARK DRIVE IS BUILT JUST AS WELL AS ANY OTHER CITY STREET IN THE CITY OF LEANDER UP UNTIL WE CHANGED OUR REQUIREMENTS WITH THE TMP WHERE WE IMPLEMENTED SLIGHTLY STRONGER DESIGN CRITERIA FOR THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTIONS. 
          AND THIS IS BEFORE THIS WAS BEFORE THAT. 
          SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC ON IT? I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY ALSO THOUGH, IS THAT THAT NEW ROAD THAT'S IN THE CENTER, THERE IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED EVEN STRONGER BECAUSE OF THE NEW YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WHEN THE, UH, CT RMA HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THESE DRIVEWAYS AND NOT EVERY DRIVEWAY WILL BE ABLE TO BE BUILT AT THE LOCATION SHOWN BECAUSE OF THE INTERACTION WITH THE FRONTAGE ROAD TRAFFIC OF THE TOLL ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, WE'LL MAKE AN END UP, UH, MAKING A DIFFERENCE ON WHERE THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO REBUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME, THE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE WHEN, WHEN YOU BUILD THESE FACILITIES AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS COMING IN, OR IS THERE A SPECIFIC PATTERN THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED? AMANDA, YOU'VE GOT YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT IT IS THAT WHEN ALL THE TRUCKS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          AND SO COMING IN, EITHER THAT FURTHER NORTH ENTRANCE TO THE ONE ON AUTO-DRIVE WOULD BE SECONDARY OR TERTIARY, IT WOULD BE MORE OF A SECONDARY MET THAT DRIVE OR THAT THAT ENTERING THE BACK IS ACTUALLY WE'VE SLATED IT FOR MORE OF A VEINS ARE OUR BOX TRUCKS, BOX TRUCKS. 
          WHEN IT'S NOT THAT ALL THE 18 WHEELERS, I DON'T WANT TO GO IGNORE THEIR TWO DRIVES. 
          GOOD COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR ARE WE JUST WAITING ON OH, MS. GRIFFIN, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE MAYBE CLOSE. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHILE WE'RE WAITING ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M SORRY. 
          NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE SHOULD DO SOME MORE RESEARCH BECAUSE THE PUD CALLS FOUR TO 48 FOOT, UM, RIGHT AWAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING WAS DEDICATED. 
          AND THEN IT HAS A 
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TWENTY-FIVE FOOT PAVEMENT WITH THEM SAYING THAT'S WHAT WAS BUILT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED, I DIDN'T SEE A DIFFERENT STREET SECTION. 
          YEAH, YOU MAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. 
          IT'S ON THE RECORD. 
          THIS TERRY BRING HIM, UH, THE DISCUSSION. 
          WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT A COMMERCIAL STREET AND THE DISCUSSION ENDED UP WITH US PROVIDING ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY, BASICALLY FOR HALF OF A COMMERCIAL STREET AND BUILDING HALF OF THAT STREET TWENTY-FIVE FEET, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE PUD THAT REQUIRED ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. 
          BUT THE UNDERSTANDING WE HAD WAS WHEN THE PROPERTY CAME IN NORTH OF US, WHICH IS THIS PROPERTY, THERE WOULD BE A SIMILAR REQUIREMENT THAT THAT ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED. 
          AND LIKEWISE, WE PROVIDED RIGHT AWAY FOR 2 69 AND THAT 2 69 RIGHT AWAY WOULD BE, UH, GRANTED BY THAT PROPERTY OWNER SO THAT IT COULD BE COMPLETED, UH, WITH CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO MAJOR ROADS, WHICH IS DESIRABLE. 
          SO THOSE HAVE BEEN THREE DIFFERENT ROADS AROUND THE EDGE OF THAT BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, VAGUELY SOUNDS FAMILIAR WHEN I WAS SITTING ON P AND Z AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO STAKE A CLAIM TO ANY OF IT, BUT THAT DOES SOUND VAGUELY FAMILIAR. 
          I WAS SITTING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH THE FIRST TIME WHEN Y'ALL WERE PULLING THAT ROAD. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SOUNDS FAMILIAR. 
          OKAY. 
          WAS THERE MORE MS. GRIFFIN OR, SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          I AM. 
          I THINK, UH, ROSS WASN'T HERE. 
          UM, WHEN WE DID THIS THE FIRST TIME, THEN I'M ASKING HIM QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T FAIR, UM, FOR HIM TO FIGURE OUT ON THE FLY. 
          UM, SO IT MIGHT BE A CASE WHERE WE WOULD LOOK FOR IT TO BE A WIDER STREET SECTION THAN 25 FEET OF PAVEMENT. 
          UM, IF IT BECAME A COMMERCIAL STREET, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO EVALUATE AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IT. 
          SO YOU NEED US TO POSTPONE THIS. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, YES, WE WOULD NEED, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND CORRECT ME. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS PROPERLY REPRESENTED BOTH SIDES, UM, THAT WE HAVE WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE MADE OF ONE THAT IS FAIR TO BOTH. 
          AND IF, IF, UH, THE, THE SECOND PARTY THAT HAS TO BUILD WHATEVER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS PROPERLY. 
          AND THAT, THAT INFAMOUS EVERYBODY'S HAPPY THAT WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET TO ALL THE TIME. 
          VERY RARELY DO GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TIME TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO, TO COME BACK TO US. 
          IS THAT YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE TO EVERYONE? CAUSE WE WANT EVERYBODY TO, WE WANT A GOOD PRODUCT FOR BOTH. 
          WE WANT YOU TO BE HAPPY. 
          WE WANT YOU TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND POSTPONE. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THAT ALL RIGHT? SORRY, HANS. 
          BETTER THAN A NO, MR. GOODMAN. 
          WELL, WELL, WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE THOUGH, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ANSWERING THE QUESTION THOUGH, WAS IT EVER SET OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO NEED TO DO THAT WHEN THEY WERE OKAY? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, UH, SAID IT. 
          SO I THINK THAT IS SOME NEW INFORMATION, BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A TIMETABLE THEY'RE DEALING WITH FOR CLOSING ON PROPERTY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD DELAY, UM, HAVE SOME IMPLICATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE OF A SCARY PROPOSITION, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO DO, UM, A CONTINGENCY WHERE IF THEY DO NEED TO EXPAND THE ROAD TO THE 25 FEET, THEY COULD USE IT IF IT'S EXPANDED AND IF NOT, THEN MAYBE NOT USING THE ROAD. 
          SORRY TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CONTINGENCY. 
          IT'S JUST, I THINK THE, THE DISCUSSION REVOLVES AROUND HOW WIDE THE ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. 
          SO, UM, IT FIELD DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT. 
          WE CAN JUST EVALUATE IT DURING SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S FAIR TOO, BUT IF THAT'S NOT A KEY PART OF THE CASE, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          IT'S JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, AND I THINK FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TRUCKS DRIVING DOWN THIS ROAD. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OF, UM, SO I MEAN, IN MY OPINION IS I'M OKAY APPROVING THIS AGAIN, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT THE TOM AND THE PARTIES GET TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROAD IS WHAT IT IS AND IT NEEDS TO BE WITHOUT ANY HIDDEN, WITHOUT ANY SURPRISES. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, I THINK THE BIGGEST SURPRISE WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING THE OTHER HALF. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE 
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OUT SOMETHING AROUND THAT, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF WHATEVER HAPPENED AND WE MISS SOME OF THAT, WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND I'M, I'M FINE WITH, WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, BUT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AN AGREEMENT THAT GOES BACK THAT SAYS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO MORE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HONOR OUR PART ON THAT. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO JUST APPROVE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY AND YOU ALL DO THE RESEARCH, LIKE, DOES THAT KEEP YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE WHAT WAS PROMISED BEFORE? OKAY. 
          A MOTION TO POSTPONE. 
          I'LL RESEND THE MOTION TO POSTPONE TWO SECONDS AS WE SEND THE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE ALL SECOND WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING MOTION A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          UH, CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION? BUT WE'RE SAYING NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME AS IT'S THE SAME AS WHAT IS STATED ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'RE HAVING STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS PROMISED TO YOU IN THE POD AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS EQUITABLE. 
          AND WE DO WHAT WE PROMISED. 
          NO IT'S APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED, BUT STAFF IS GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE POD NOTES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENFORCING WHAT WE AGREED TO WITH YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY. 
          THE NOTES THAT ARE UP TONIGHT OR THE ARE, ARE PUT NOTES AND, AND TO THE EXTENT THERE NEED TO BE CHANGES IN THE PUD THAT'S BEING APPROVED TONIGHT. 
          HOW WOULD THAT BE DONE? IT'S A CONTINGENCY. 
          THAT'S A CONTINGENCY. 
          THAT WAS OUR CONCERN. 
          YOUR ACTION TONIGHT THEN DOES NOT ALLOW, I'M SORRY TO CLARIFY. 
          I THOUGHT MS. GRIFFIN, YOU MADE IT COME ON UP BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE IN THE NEXT PROCESS THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. 
          SO ELEMENT APPROVE THE PET NOTES TODAY. 
          WE'RE SAYING YES, THIS ZONING WORKS. 
          SO THEN THE NEXT STEP IS TO COME FORWARD WITH A CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT'S WHEN THEY PRESENT THEIR ROAD NETWORK. 
          SO IF WE SAY, HEY, THIS ROAD NEEDS TO BE WIDER, WHO WOULD SHOW THAT DIFFERENT? WHY? RIGHT AWAY THERE, IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LIMIT IT BECAUSE THE PUD NOTES DON'T LIMIT IT. 
          SO IT'D BE A PUBLIC ROAD THAT USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT LIKE THE WIDENING THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD COME IN, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL STILL HONOR WHAT WE AGREED TO WITH YOU WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN 20 18, 20 19. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY ON COUNCIL IS SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THEM ACCESS THERE. 
          WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE TO YOUR POINT, SIR, THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY ACCESS THERE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S BUILT CORRECTLY. 
          I THINK THAT WAS YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT IT WAS GONNA, IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS THERE, THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT CORRECTLY. 
          I THINK YOU'RE ALSO SAYING WE JUST DON'T WANT THEM DRIVING ON THAT ROAD, WHICH THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK WITH US. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE S W TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IS WHY WE'RE ASKING MORE QUESTIONS AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S SAFE AND IT'S BUILT TO THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT STANDARDS AND THE RIGHT WIDTH. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS 18. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          [20.  Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Ordinance Case 22-OR-001 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance to adopt regulations for Mobile Food Establishments, update accessory structure requirements, updating definitions, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas.    	Discuss and consider action regarding Ordinance Case 22-OR-001 as described above. ]
MOVING INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM 20 CONDUCT, A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE 22 OH R 0 0 1. 
          TO AMEND THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADOPT REGULATIONS FOR MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, UPDATE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, UPDATE DEFINITIONS, AND TO PROVIDE FOR RELATED MATTERS. 
          WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY'S, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          GRIFFIN, WE MIGHT GO EASIER ON YOU AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS A AMENDMENT TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADD MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, UM, AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, AS WELL AS MAKE CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND WE ALSO ADDED SOME DEFINITIONS OF TERMS. UM, THE BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE INCLUDE INFORMATION ABOUT MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, WHICH ARE FOOD TRUCKS. 
          SO WE USE SIMILAR TERMINOLOGY AND DEFINITIONS TO THOSE, UM, ORDINANCES TO MAKE IT CLEARER. 
          WE HAVE, UM, TWO TYPES. 
          THERE IS THE TEMPORARY MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, IF YOU HAD, UM, AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND YOU WANTED A FOOD TRUCK TO COME TO YOUR BUSINESS, UM, YOU WOULD GET A PERMIT THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO DEFERS TO THE HEALTH DISTRICT, UM, FOR REVIEW, AND THEY COULD COME TO THE SITE. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT. 
          IF 
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YOU WANT TO DO A FOOD TRUCK PARK, IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR PROCESS WHERE YOU GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND YOU'RE ESTABLISHING, UM, PAD SITES. 
          AND WE HAVE, UM, PROVIDED SOME PROVISIONS TO HELP. 
          UM, WITH THAT PROCESS, UM, WE ALSO MADE CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          WE'VE NOTICED A CHANGE, UM, IN HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR, THEIR PROPERTIES AS RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS, MORE PEOPLE ARE HOME AND ARE WANTING MORE SPACE AND HAVING, UM, OFFICES IN THE, IN THE BACKYARD OR EXTRA STORAGE AREAS. 
          UM, CURRENTLY OUR ORDINANCE LIMITS THAT TO 10% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SIZE. 
          SO IT'S THIS CHANGE WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE IT 20% TO ALLOW FOR A LARGER STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WE DID LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND WE'RE KIND OF ON TRACK WITH, UM, WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND, UM, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THEIR MEETING LAST WEEK. 
          AND THEY DID MAKE SOME CHANGES. 
          THEY DID REQUEST THAT THERE'S AN INCREASED SETBACK. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S LARGER. 
          SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S FIVE FEET OFF THE FENCE. 
          IT WOULD BE 15 FEET OFF THE FENCE IF IT WAS BIGGER THAN 10%. 
          AND THEN, UM, THEY ALSO REQUESTED THAT WE UPDATE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE TEMPORARY MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS TO MATCH THE LOCAL OFFICE HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE FROM 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM. 
          UM, MONDAY THROUGH, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE MAKING ME YAWN. 
          THAT WOULD BE, UM, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THEN, UH, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY COULD BE OPEN UNTIL 11, UM, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. 
          WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY THAT SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED COUNCIL INTO ACTION REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE 22  AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY. 
          SORRY, MOTION TEMPORARY, SECOND MOTION. 
          AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS THAT WITH THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. GRIFFIN. 
          THIS IS FANTASTIC. 
          [21.  Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Special Use Case 22-SU-001 to allow for the temporary residential use of a travel trailer or recreational vehicle for use by an ill, convalescent or otherwise disabled friend or relative needing care from the occupant of the primary residence, or a friend or relative providing necessary care for an ill, convalescent or otherwise disabled occupant; on one parcel of land approximately 0.3856 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036092; and more commonly known as 107 Bagdad Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.    	Discuss and consider action regarding Special Use Permit Case 22-SU-001 as described above.]
ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM 21 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SPECIAL USE CASE 22  TO ALLOW FOR THE TEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL USE OF A TRAVEL TRAILER OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE FOR USE BY AN ILL CONVALESCENT OR OTHERWISE DISABLED FRIEND OR RELATIVE NEEDING CARE FROM THE OCCUPANT OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR A FRIEND OR RELATIVE PROVIDING NECESSARY CARE FOR AN ILL CONVALESCENT OR OTHERWISE DISABLED OCCUPANT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 0.3856 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          GRIFFIN, WELCOME BACK. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR AN RV THAT WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY A FAMILY MEMBER THAT, UM, IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF BY THE PERSON WHO LIVES ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. 
          UM, THEY WERE CITED CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO OCCUPY AN RV AS A RESIDENCE. 
          SO THEY ARE TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ISSUE. 
          THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER TRAILERS ON SITE THAT, UM, ARE BEING DISCUSSED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MARCH 24TH. 
          THEY DID RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL AND THEY INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO GRANT EXTENSIONS AT THE END OF THE TERM. 
          AND WE DID GET A DETERMINATION FROM LEGAL THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          UM, SO WHEN THE TERM ENDS, IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND, UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. 
          NOBODY HAS SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON IT? ALL RIGHT. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. 
          WE WILL NOT MOVE INTO ACTION REGARDING SPECIAL USE PERMIT CASE 22  AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY HERE OR NO? OH, OKAY. 
          MS. FAITH, IS THAT RIGHT? YOU WANT TO COME ON UP? OKAY. 
          I HAD A COUPLE OF, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          DOES SHE NEED TO GIVE NAME AND ADDRESS? I KNOW. 
          NO, NO, NOT FOR THAT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          UM, SO FOR, SO IT SAYS IN HERE I GOT YOUR LETTER AND IT SAYS IT IN HERE, THIS IS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, IS THAT RIGHT? SO YOU LIVE AT THIS, YOU LIVE AT THIS ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN LIKE HOW, HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THAT PROPERTY? 12 YEARS. 
          12 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS FOR, YOU SAID IN HERE, THIS IS FOR, UM, FOR YOUR PARENTS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE AS WELL, TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT THINGS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK ALL THOSE THINGS OUT. 
          UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT YOU DIDN'T LIVE THERE. 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION 
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ON THAT. 
          I, NOW I DO LIVE THERE. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          I'M GONE IN THE SUMMER FOR A FEW MONTHS CAUSE I GO UP NORTH FOR MY WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, YES, I DO LIVE THERE TO WORK UP THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IN MICHIGAN OR UP THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, SO YOU SAY SAYING HERE THAT YOU'RE CARING FOR THEM, ARE YOU NOT WORKING IN MICHIGAN ANYMORE? OR I GO, I, I GO TO MICHIGAN BECAUSE I'M AN ARTIST AND I DO ART FAIRS. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I KNOW, I JUST KNOW THERE WAS A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THEM BEING THERE IN THIS PLACE FOR YOU TO TAKE CARE OF THEM TOO. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS THAT, DOES ANYTHING CHANGE NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIVING ON SITE WITH YOU, RIGHT? NO. 
          NO. 
          AND IN FACT, WE TAKE THE, WE'LL BE TAKING THE MOTOR HOME WITH US FOR A FEW MONTHS. 
          THEY WOULD TAKE IT WITH YOU TEST. 
          AND ACTUALLY IT'S ONLY MY MOM, MY DAD, MY DAD PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR. 
          SORRY. 
          I DID NOT KNOW THAT. 
          SO SORRY TO HEAR THAT. 
          UM, CAUSE NORMALLY LIKE FOR ME, UM, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THIS INVESTMENT IN EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS AREA. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING STUFF SPECIFICALLY HERE. 
          AND I THINK YOUR PROPERTY IS LIKE RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE TOO. 
          UM, NOPE. 
          I WISH THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, IF THEY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE MAYBE REACHED OUT TO. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, I'M MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS THAT THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES HERE TOO. 
          AND UM, I HAVE A HARD, I GUESS A HARD TIME SAYING, YEAH, LET'S GO DO THIS. 
          AND THEY'RE STILL LIKE, IF THERE'S STILL OUTSTANDING STUFF WITH THE, WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO THAT'S MY, I GUESS THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT IF, WHETHER YOU DID OR DID NOT, UM, ACTUALLY LIVE HERE AS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          CAUSE I THINK YOU'VE KIND OF LIKE SOMEBODY HAD EVEN DONE A, UH, RE RESEARCH TO GO SEE WHERE YOUR, UM, LIKE YOUR TAX BILL WAS SENT AND IT WASN'T HERE. 
          IT WAS LIKE ACTUALLY TO MICHIGAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, USUALLY THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THAT WAS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          THAT'S WHY I ACTUALLY ASKED YOU ENDED UP THERE BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN THEY SENT IT, WHEN THEY SENT IT LIKE EVERY YEAR OR SINCE 2010. 
          YES. 
          I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH 20 YEARS. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GOING TO ASK THE STAFF SOME QUESTIONS, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE FOR YOU. 
          SO, UM, MS. GRIFFIN, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US THE NATURE OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ON THE SIDE? UM, SO I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS THE OCCUPYING THE RV, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER WAS, UM, STORAGE OF, UH, WHAT WE CALL SPECIAL VEHICLES. 
          SO IT'S LIKE TRAILERS OR RVS YOU'RE LIMITED, UM, WHERE THEY CAN BE LOCATED AND HOW MANY YOU CAN HAVE PER PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S STILL AN OPEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK THAT I DEFINITELY AM NOT PERSONALLY COMFORTABLE APPROVING ANYTHING WHILE THEY'RE STILL CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. 
          UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THOSE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT, UM, THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT RESIDENCY. 
          UM, AND I THINK MAYBE IF WE WERE TO DELAY FOR THE, FOR CLEANING UP THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, WE COULD ALSO ADDRESS THE RESIDENCY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, SO THE MOTOR HOME WORKS IT'S DRIVABLE OUT TO MICHIGAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS A YES. 
          WHAT'S THAT. 
          SO W COULD, DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET INFORMATION AS FAR AS I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT NOW, TOO, AS FAR AS THE OPEN, WE, WE WE'VE HAD A CASE SIMILAR WHERE THERE WAS WHERE THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT WE WERE, UM, HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH AND WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD ON THAT AGREEMENT UNTIL EVERYTHING WAS CLEARED UP. 
          AND IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE OLD TOWN AREA TOO. 
          SO THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SIMILAR, THAT WHAT WE'D DONE BEFORE TOO, IS DO YOU THINK THAT WE CAN GET INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE OPEN CASE OR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD AS FAR AS THE OPEN, THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET WITH STAFF ALSO TOO, AND JUST PROVIDE SOMETHING TO JUST SHOW THAT. 
          SO ANYBODY WHO HAD, WHO HAD SECOND GUESSED YARD OR ANYTHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY CAN JUST SEE, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          AND CAN WE GET UTILITIES TO PULL THE WATER BILLS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S BEEN USAGE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR FOR THE LAST SEVERAL? NO. 
          AND TO INTERESTING, THE LETTER IS CONFLICTING INFORMATION. 
          DID, WHEN DID YOUR FATHER PASS AWAY THIS MARCH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN YOU APPLIED FOR THIS, THEY WERE STILL GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I GUESS ONE OF THE, UM, FLAGS THAT I JUST HAD ON THE RESIDENCY WAS WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY A SNOWBIRD, THAT MADE SENSE, BUT 
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WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE TAX BILL HAS ALWAYS MAILED TO MICHIGAN, UM, I GET MY TAX BILL AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHEN IT'S COLD. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE NOTIFICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE WANT TO POSTPONE AND YEAH, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHO DID, WHAT, WHO WOULD WE DIRECT THAT STAFF, BUT STAFF IN GENERAL, WHOEVER WOULD GOOGLE FOR, COULD PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR US. 
          AND THEN DO WE THINK THAT THE, CAN WE GET THAT BY THE NEXT MEETING? OKAY. 
          IF IT'S THE LIST YOU JUST STATED. 
          YES. 
          I COULD DO THAT BY MAY 5TH. 
          DO NEED MORE TIME THOUGH, TO CLEAR UP THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES THAT ARE NOT THIS PARTICULAR TRAILER. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S UP TO THE, THE APPLICANT. 
          MAYBE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. 
          DO WE DO? I THINK WERE STORAGE TRAILERS OR SOME OKAY. 
          AND THREE OF THEM, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          UM, MA'AM CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY. 
          WOULD I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GOTTEN ANY NOTIFICATION ABOUT THOSE FROM ANYBODY? OH, DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? WE DON'T HAVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HERE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          WE CAN JUST POSTPONE UNTIL THE FIFTH AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          SO WE HAD, YOU MADE THE MOTION, RIGHT? SECOND. 
          WHAT? YEAH. 
          I'M DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TOO? BECAUSE I DON'T DISAPPEAR. 
          I STRUGGLED BECAUSE I GET THE FAMILY PIECE OF IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE EVEN IF THOSE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED, IF I'M GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND ON, BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE DO WANT OLD TOWN LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, IF WE WANT OLD TOWN TO BE THE, WHAT ARE OUR PLAN IS I, I THINK WE MAY BE CREATING A PROBLEM THAT, AND I'D HATE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH ALL THE EFFORTS IF, IF THE ANSWER IS NO, WHICH I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE NO FOR ME EITHER WAY. 
          IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL FEELS THAT WAY, AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW Y'ALL FEEL, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY IF, IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY, I THINK THE FAIR THING TO DO IS ADDRESS IT. 
          WELL, SO MY, MY THOUGHT IS, I MEAN, TO TWO THINGS, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT IN A, AN OBLIGATION AND IN THE WORLD THAT I LIVE IN TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PARENTS. 
          AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND THAT MAY LOOK DIFFERENTLY TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          UM, SO WHAT I, I, I SEE THIS AS AN OPTION, UM, YOU HAVE AN RV THAT SHE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOM IS STILL LIVING, UH, CAN LIVE IN, BUT COULD ALSO LIVE IN THE HOME. 
          SO WHY WOULD WE DO A SPECIAL USE FOR, TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT HAS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY IF IT'S JUST MOM, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE HOMELESS 16 HUT, SO THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT FLAT UP IN PROPERTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. 
          AND IT'S A ONE BEDROOM AND I WORK AT HOME. 
          SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH BUSY FOR ME, MY VOTE HINGES ON WHETHER OR NOT EVERYTHING IS CLEAR BECAUSE IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT CASE. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'M PURCHASING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT ZONED FOR ANYTHING. 
          AND I WANT TO LIVE THERE. 
          AND WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT COMMERCIAL TO ME, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR COMPASSIONATE USE, UM, ORDINANCE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, UM, TEMPORARY, SORRY. 
          IT IS TEMPORARY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT USE. 
          AND I THINK THAT AS LONG AS IT HAS BEEN USED AS RESIDENTIAL FOR ALL THIS TIME, I THINK THAT FOR ME, I BELIEVE IN APPROVING IT AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS GOOD, FAITH AND HONEST AND ABOVE BOARD AND ALL THE BOXES ARE CHECKED. 
          I THINK WE DO NEED TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION IF WE GOT ALL THAT INFORMATION TOO, IF WE DID DO IT, IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR IF, IF IT WAS GOING TO GET BUILT, IS IT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO BE SCREENED IN SOME WAY? SO IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE IT PARKED THERE AND YOU'RE NOT IN MICHIGAN, UH, WELL, IT'S GOING TO GO WHEN THEY GO TO MICHIGAN. 
          OH, WHEN YOU'RE NOT, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY PARKED THERE FOR THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET, THE BUSINESS, THEY'RE THE WHOEVER LIVES BEHIND YOU FROM THE CITY HALL, FROM THE BUSINESS, THERE'S A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING HERE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM. 
          UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE IF IT, IF IT DID GO, UM, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL VOTED FOR AFTER THAT, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT DID GO, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME 
          [03:35:01]
TYPE OF SCREENING, I GUESS EITHER ONE STAFF AND OR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE, I MEAN, SHE IT'S A, AN RV. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD DO LIKE A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT I FEEL LIKE RVS ARE TALLER THAN A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. 
          AND IF IT'S PULLED INTO LIKE A DRIVEWAY, YOU DON'T WANT TO FENCE THE DRIVEWAY. 
          CAUSE THEN SHE COULDN'T USE IT. 
          LET'S TAKE A TEMPERATURE ON HOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? UM, I'M SIMILAR WITH, UM, PROTIME ROSS. 
          UM, MY THOUGHTS ON OLD TOWN IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK OLD AND HAVE ALL THESE BUSINESSES AND HISTORICAL HOMES, BUT IT REALLY IS A BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL FOCUS. 
          AND WHILE WE DO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL HOMES THERE, WE EVEN HAVE ACTION TONIGHT. 
          THINGS ARE GETTING REZONED. 
          SO I'M WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, DIRECTOR GOODMAN OR WHO COULD ANSWER THAT, IS THIS PROPERTY AT SOME POINT, GOING TO BE A PART OF A REASON LIKE THESE OTHERS THAT WE SEE? UM, CAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN THAT THE OVERALL, UM, DESIRE FOR OLD TOWN WAS FOR IT TO BE COMMERCIAL. 
          AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE LOOK OF HAVING AN RV IS, IS NOT WHAT OTHER COMMERCIAL, UM, FOLKS OR BUSINESSES WANT TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE, THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE COMING IN. 
          BUT I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR HOME AND YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR, YOUR PARENTS THERE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING IS AT SOME POINT, THIS PROPERTY, A PART OF A REZONING THAT WOULD BE COMING UP ANYTIME SOON, OR DO WE EVEN KNOW THAT IT IS, NO, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING HER PROPERTY, BUT UM, IF SHE EVER CHOOSE TO REDEVELOP, SHE COULD REQUEST IT AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE REEVALUATE, BUT IT'D PROBABLY BE YEARS IN THE FUTURE. 
          OH, QUICK QUESTION. 
          WHY WASN'T IT INCLUDED IN THE NEXT ONE FOR REDEVELOPMENT? UM, WHAT WE DID IS, UM, WITH C5, IT'S A MORE INTENSE DISTRICT. 
          SO WE PLACED IT ALONG THE HIGHER USED ROADWAYS. 
          CAUSE YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE THAT MIXTURE OF USES. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO STRIP EVERYTHING OUT WITH, WITH BARS. 
          SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE THAT HIGHER USE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE IT AND FIND OUT THE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND I THINK SO FAR YOU AND I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE LEANING THAT WAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO POSTPONE IT BECAUSE THERE IS SOME AMBIGUITY ON CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          A LOT OF THINGS CAN BE SHOT. 
          I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SCREENING OPTIONS. 
          I GET IT ON BUSINESSES HERE, BUT I JUST DON'T MEAN SHE'S TAKING CARE OF HER MOM AND I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S COMMENDABLE AND I MEAN, I GET IT. 
          JUST MAKE SURE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST CAN'T DENY THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE PEOPLE MAY HAVE, BUT I JUST CAN'T HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT A DENIAL IF IT'S A POSTPONEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD POSTPONE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND DID WE SAY SPECIFICALLY TO MAY 5TH? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS COUNSEL? ALRIGHT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S A WEIRD NIGHT. 
          LOT MORE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          [22.  Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 22-TOD-Z-004 to amend the current zoning of SFU-2-B (Single-Family Urban), GC-3-C (General Commercial), and T4 Transect (General Urban Zone) to T5 Transect (Urban Center Zone) on 21 parcels of land approximately 6.652 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036035–R036040, R036043–R036046, R036072, R036074, R036078–R036080, R036087–R036089, R036104, R036105, and R097401; and generally located on the east side of N. Brushy Street between W. Broade Street and W. South Street, and located along Broade Street between Brushy Street and N. West Drive, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.   	Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-TOD-Z-004 as described above.]
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 20 TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 T O D Z 0 0 4. 
          TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF SFU TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN GC THREE C GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND T4 TRANSECT GENERAL URBAN ZONE TO T FIVE TRANSECT URBAN CENTER ZONE ON 21 PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 6.652 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          GRIFFIN, WELCOME BACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A LARGE AREA REZONING IN, UM, OLD TOWN IN, UH, 2005 WHEN THE TOD WAS ADOPTED, IT CREATED THIS, UH, SPECIAL DISTRICT, UH, CALLED OLD TOWN. 
          AND IT'S BASED ON THE ORIGINAL PLOT OF THE CITY OF LEANDER WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED. 
          UM, THE, THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT REMAINED AND THEN, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS HAD THE RIGHT TO SWITCH TO THE SMART CODE IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          SO THEY COULD SELECT A T4 DISTRICT OR  ALL OF THOSE BOUNDARIES WERE IDENTIFIED. 
          UM, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THEY EVALUATED THE AREA AND THE HIGHER DENSITY TRANSECTS WERE LOCATED ALONG 180 3, UM, AND, UH, PARTS OF BROAD. 
          SO, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND WE'VE KIND OF PAID ATTENTION TO THE RECENT PATTERNS THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, WITH NEW PROJECTS COMING IN AND WE'RE SEEING MORE REQUESTS FOR THE T FIVE DISTRICT. 
          UM,  HAS 
          [03:40:01]
MORE OF A COMMERCIAL NATURE THAN T4, T4. 
          YOU COULD DO A MIXTURE WHERE YOU COULD DO ALL SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UM, T FIVE WILL ALLOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN EXISTING USE TO REMAIN WITH THEIR CURRENT USE OR WHEN THEY SWITCH IT, IT WOULD BE MORE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. 
          UM, WE DID CONTACT ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, GAVE THEM THE OPTION TO OPT OUT OF THE, THE REQUEST. 
          UM, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE ASKED TO BE REMOVED. 
          UH, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLENTY OF ZONING COMMISSION DURING THE MARCH 24TH MEETING AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND, UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. 
          I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. 
          WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. 
          WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22, TOD 0 0 4 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THIS IS FANTASTIC. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING 
          [23.  Discuss and consider action regarding solicitation #S22-009B to select Kimley Horn to complete the Old Town Master Plan, authorizing the City Manager negotiate and execute any and all necessary documents.]
INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 23, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SOLICITATION NUMBER S TWO TWO DASH 0 0 9 B JUST SELECT KIMLEY-HORN TO COMPLETE THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. 
          EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN, ONCE AGAIN. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE STAFF, UH, ADVERTISED FOR AN RFQ FOR AN OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL RESPONSES AND WE SELECTED KIMBERLY HORN. 
          UM, AS THE CONSULTANT, UM, THEIR PROPOSAL INCLUDES A COST THAT TOTALS 130, $130,000. 
          OUR BUDGET IS $75,000. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. 
          UM, WE CAN PROCEED WITH, UH, OUR BUDGET AND DO THE FIRST THREE PHASES THIS YEAR AND THEN BUDGET FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT AFTER, UM, THE BUDGET CYCLE. 
          SO THAT WOULD ADD PROBABLY TWO TO THREE MONTHS, UH, TO THE, THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, OR WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE COMPLETE PROPOSAL AND AMEND THE BUDGET, UH, FOR THE MISSING $55,000. 
          UM, KIMLEY-HORN WAS OPEN TO THAT, THAT OPTION TO DO, TO EITHER DO EITHER ONE. 
          UM, THEY BROKE IT OUT FOR US TO SHOW WHAT WOULD BE PART OF THE FIRST PHASE. 
          AND THEY WOULD DO A LOT OF RESEARCH AND STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND THEN THEIR FINAL DOCUMENTS, UM, AND DETERMINATIONS WOULD BE PRODUCED IN THE FINAL PHASE. 
          AND I'M AVAILABLE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I NEED YOU TO PICK AN OPTION PLEASE, OR I CAN DO BOTH OPTIONS. 
          I HAD THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE FIRST OPTION IS TO BREAK IT INTO PHASES. 
          SO THE BUDGET IS 75,000 AND THEIR TOTAL CAME BACK AS 130,000. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 55. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT OUR, OUR BUDGET? I MEAN, IT'S JUST $55,000, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT ROBERT. 
          HE'S NOT OKAY. 
          UH, OPTION ONE. 
          WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE? WELL, IT DEPENDS. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE THE FASTER OPTION CAUSE WE WANT TO GET A PLAN DONE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP, BUT I RECOGNIZE BUDGET CONSTRAINTS SO WE CAN DO FACE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S APPROVED. 
          SO IT'S NOT MAJOR. 
          SO OPTION TWO. 
          THAT'S THE FASTER ONE. 
          YES, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON IT. 
          SO WHAT THERE'S A NO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND OPTION. 
          SECOND, SECOND OPTION. 
          HOW MUCH ONE IS THE SECOND OPTION? THAT'S THE BUDGETS? THE 55. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION HAD A SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED PASSES SIX TO ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [24.  Discuss and consider action on K. Friese and Associates Task Order KFA-58 for the Water System Capital Improvement Plan in an amount not to exceed $98,354.00; authorize the City Manager to negotiate and execute any and all necessary documents; and provide an effective date.]
OKAY. 
          I HAVE A 24 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON K FREEZE AND ASSOCIATES TASK ORDER. 
          KFA F FIVE EIGHT FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $98,354 AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          CITY ENGINEER, ROSS WEIGHTY EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. 
          WE PREVIOUSLY HAD ALREADY APPROVED WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES, AND THEY NEED TO BE REDONE EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          THE WATER IMPACT FEES WERE LAST DONE IN 2017. 
          AND SO WE SOLICITED 
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A PROPOSAL FROM K FREEZE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF OUR WATER SYSTEM. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WOULD JUST COST A LOT MORE FOR THEM TO COME IN, LEARN THE SYSTEM AND THEN PROPOSE WHAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE. 
          AND SO WE SOLICITED A PROPOSAL FROM K FREEZE TO DO THE CAPITAL, EXCUSE ME, THE IMPACT STUDY FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE WATER SYSTEM AND THEY US A PROPOSAL $98,000. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE HAVE TO REDO EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          SO THANK YOU COUNCIL TO APPROVE MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          [25.  Discuss and consider action on the proposal from Parkhill for professional services for the Leander Municipal Athletic Center at San Gabriel Park for master planning, design, and construction phase services in amount of $1,861,400.00, and authorizing the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]
THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 25 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON THE PROPOSAL FROM PARK HILL FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR THE LAND OR MUNICIPAL ATHLETIC CENTER AT SAN GABRIEL PARK FOR MASTER PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES IN AMOUNT OF $1,861,400 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, CIP MANAGER, BETTIS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING, HONOR, COUNCIL. 
          UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVE THE AR UM, THIS, THIS, UH, AGREEMENT WITH PARKHILL FOR US TO GO THROUGH ARE GOING TO MASTER PLAN DESIGN AND DO THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION FOR OUR PARK. 
          AS WE CAN SEE UP HERE, WE HAVE 77 ACRES. 
          LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THAT 1 77 ACRES HERE, UH, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED UNDER THE 2016 BOND. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITE. 
          IT, UH, THE BOARD IS RIGHT ON THE SAN GABRIEL, THE SOUTH SAN GABRIEL RIVER. 
          IT HAS A CREEK WHICH IS SPRINGFIELD RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND IT WAS A ONE-TIME FARM. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN PASTURE. 
          THE LAND ITSELF DROPS ABOUT 40 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE NORTH END DOWN TO THE SOUTH END, JUST ABOVE THE RIVER. 
          SO THERE'S TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TOPOGRAPHY TO IT. 
          PART OF THIS AGREEMENT WILL COVER, WHAT'S CALLED AN H AND H STUDY HYDRAULIC AND HYDROLOGY STUDY. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO THE PRECURSORY REVIEW OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE ANY CONCERNS, WHETHER CULTURALLY SENSITIVE OR NATURALLY SENSITIVE, UH, THERE'LL BE THE MASTER PLANNING, MASTER PLANNING, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH AND LOOK AND DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT IS DETERMINED AND NEEDED BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECREATION AND ATHLETICS. 
          UH, WE WILL GO ON ONCE WE GET PAST THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS TO GO INTO DESIGN, AND ONCE IT'S DONE, WE'LL GO INTO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION THROUGH BID, UH, DESIGN BID BUILD. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW THE, UM, PROPOSAL, WE DID GO THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS IN JANUARY WHERE WE FOUND AND RECEIVED SIX PROPOSALS FROM, UH, SIX INDIVIDUAL, UM, RECIPIENTS OUT OF THOSE SIX, WE WENT THROUGH OUR DUE PROCESS OF WE REVIEWED THEM. 
          WE CAME DOWN AND WE FOUND THE TOP THREE, WE INTERVIEWED THE TOP THREE, AND NOW THAT'S OUT THREE. 
          WE DETERMINED THAT PARK HILL WAS THE MOST QUALIFIED TO, UH, HANDLE THESE SERVICES FOR US. 
          AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH WE'VE REQUESTED A PROPOSAL PROPOSAL COMES IN AT ONE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED SIXTY ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR A PROJECT THAT'S BUDGETED AT $11,895,000, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 15.6% OF THE PROJECT BUDGET. 
          UM, BASED UPON OUR GENERAL RULE OF, UM, THE WORD GO DESIGN USUALLY GOES ABOUT BETWEEN 12 TO 18% OF THE COST. 
          UH, THIS DOES NOT JUST INCLUDE DESIGN, BUT ALSO INCLUDES ALL THE MASTER PLANNING AND ALL OF THE ENGINEERING STUDIES. 
          SO WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD VALUE FOR THE CITY. 
          AND SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, ON THIS PROJECT, THIS INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES, WHICH IS ABOVE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION, WHICH HOW THE LAKEWOOD PARK, UH, PROJECT WAS, WAS HANDLED FROM WHAT I RECALL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SOME OF THOSE ONGOING TYPE QC THINGS THAT HAD OCCURRED WITH LAKEWOOD THAT, THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES WILL GIVE YOU A HIGHER LEVEL OF EYES ON THE GROUND DURING THAT IN THEIR CONTRACT. 
          THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT? I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. 
          WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE THAT YOU HAD TO CLICK IN FOR EVERYTHING. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T SEE AND I GET THAT THIS WAS DONE BASED ON A SCORING SYSTEM. 
          YES MA'AM AND WHOEVER WAS THE MOST QUALIFIED, BUT THERE'S NOT A COMPARISON 
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OF WHAT THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED BIDS OR SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, WHAT THEIR PRICING WAS. 
          SO DID WE NOT GATHER THAT INFORMATION LEGALLY? WE CAN'T DO THAT INSTEAD OF TEXAS, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH NORTH QPR OURSELVES. 
          WE CANNOT ASK FOR DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE HAVE THOUGH THE ESTIMATE FROM PARK HILL, BUT NOT FROM ANYBODY ELSE TO COMPARE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELCOME TO GAVIN. 
          IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BRING US SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR FIELD CONFIGURATIONS? OH YES. 
          MA'AM OF COURSE BY ALL MEANS THAT WILL BE THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND WE WILL HAVE A CERTAIN PART OF THAT WILL BE, UM, PUBLIC. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT ONCE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO IT, WE'LL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND IT'LL GO THROUGH PARKS BOARD AS WELL, RIGHT? YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAS SOME PHOTOS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT IT TO GO WELL, IF I KNEW HOW TO WORK THIS PROPERLY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S BEEN OUT THERE TO THE SIDE. 
          IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL SIGHT. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLY, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT UP ON THE UPPER LEFT. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH OF IT IS OPEN PASTOR GRASSLANDS IN THE VERY MIDDLE THERE. 
          IF YOU CAN SEE IT'S ACTUALLY A CREEK THAT'S CUT THROUGH THE LIMESTONE SHELVES, UH, PROBABLY THOUSANDS OF YEARS WORTH OF IT'S SPRING FED, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE, UH, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. 
          IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE AREA. 
          AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR UPPER RIGHT CORNER, THE ACTUALLY COMES DOWN TO THE SOUTH SAN GABRIEL RIVER. 
          UH, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE A CORRECT DESIGN FOR THIS? SO IF YOU ALL, CAN I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU'LL DO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE LAND BEFORE WE ACTUALLY BEGIN MOVING FORWARD. 
          THE ORIGINAL BOND AMOUNT FOR THIS ONE. 
          THIS WAS THE 2016. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM HOW MUCH? YEAH, IT WAS A 11 MILLION 848 95. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SARANAC THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL, THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS PROJECT. 
          YES. 
          ARE THERE, I SAID WE NEED TO MOVE ON IT, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU, YOU SAID TYPOGRAPHY, TEMPERAMENTAL, UM, STREAMED DOWN GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE IT'S LIKE THAT. 
          THE REASON THAT THIS HELD ON FOR AWHILE IS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WOULD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO BUILD BALL FIELDS, ANYBODY IN HERE, ESPECIALLY MARK WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WHAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL SITE? I DON'T KNOW, CORN FIELD, IF YOU COULD REALLY DO IT. 
          CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY KIND OF THERE. 
          THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY THING TO DO. 
          IT'S JUST, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. 
          AND SO WE FINALLY GOT TO THAT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD HERE. 
          SO WE NEED TO GO MAKE IT THE BEST THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO GET GOING. 
          BUT, UM, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE, BUT I THINK THAT, YEAH, I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE COULD AND I'LL DEFINITELY GO FOR IT. 
          I'LL SECOND MOTION. 
          AND A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED PASSES SIX TO ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [26.  Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 21-077-00 adopting the annual budget of the City of Leander, Texas for Fiscal Year 2022.]
ITEM 26 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 21 0 7 7 0 0. 
          ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF THE CITY OF LEANDER, TEXAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS IN PART RELATED TO THE, UH, PROJECT THAT MR. BETTIS JUST, UM, UH, WENT OVER. 
          WE INITIALLY, WHEN WE WERE PLANNING THE BUDGET LAST SUMMER, UM, ANTICIPATED A BUDGET OF 1.6, 6 MILLION. 
          UH, SO, UH, PART OF THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT COVERS THE 200, $1,000, UH, DIFFERENT. 
          THE OTHER PART OF THIS AMENDMENT ADDRESSES WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE BRIEFING, A WORK SESSION EARLIER, IT WOULD, UH, AMEND THE UTILITY FUND BUDGET TO, UM, ENABLE THE, UH, HIRING OF THE, UH, CONSERVATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR. 
          UH, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT JUST COVERS THE ANTICIPATED COSTS FOR THE REMAINING FOUR MONTHS OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          UH THAT'S WHAT WAS PREPARED BASED ON YOUR ACTION WITH, UM, THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN YOU COULD AMEND, UM, WHAT'S PRESENTED TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL $55 FROM A GENERAL FUND RESERVES, AND WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, I DO DO MS. GRIFFIN, A FAVOR SHE'LL OWN ME, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSEL. 
          UM, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE JUST VOTED ON THE PARK, GETTING GOING ON THAT THING, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND ALSO WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD ADD THE ADDITIONAL 55,000, UM, FOR THE, UM, WHATEVER WE JUST VOTED ON FULL TOWN MASTER PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SECOND, THE MOTION A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED PASSES SIX TO ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [27.  Discuss and consider action on an annual blanket agreement with PBS of Texas, LLC to provide janitorial services pursuant to a piggyback clause in City of Round Rock Contract No. R-2018-5767 in an amount of $88,539.00; and authorize the City Manager to execute all necessary documents.]
ITEM 27. 
          DISCUSSING 
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CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ANNUAL BLANKET AGREEMENT WITH PBS OF TEXAS LLC TO PROVIDE JANITORIAL SERVICES PURSUANT TO A PIGGYBACK CLAUSE IN CITY OF ROUND ROCK CONTRACT NUMBER ARE 2 0 1 8 5 7 6 7 IN AN AMOUNT OF $88,539 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS, GENERAL SERVICES MANAGER. 
          WENZEL. 
          DID I MISPRONOUNCE THAT? I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY, GOOD EVENING. 
          I'VE BEEN WONDERING WHY YOU WERE HERE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THEY'LL JUST SEE US FOR THIS. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          IT'S ALL GOOD. 
          WELCOME TO COUNCIL THING. 
          YES. 
          IT'S NOT ALWAYS THIS EXCITING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          WELL, THAT'S ALL GOOD. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, UH, BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE'RE USING PBS OF TEXAS RIGHT NOW FOR PAT BRYSON AND THE LIBRARY. 
          AND, UM, WHEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT PRESENTED THE COST PROPOSAL FOR THE LANDER ACTIVITY CENTER, UM, THAT INCREASED THE CONTRACT THRESHOLD, UH, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET COUNCIL APPROVAL. 
          UM, SO OKAY. 
          WE LOVE THEIR SERVICE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE USING IT. 
          SO THAT'S THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'VE GOTTEN SICK SECOND. 
          I THINK I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MACULA, GLORIA FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          THERE WERE, THERE WAS A CHORUS OF THEM. 
          YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT HERE. 
          UM, SO MOTION A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          [28.  Discuss and consider action on adopting a Resolution of support for the City of Leander’s Community Project Funding request to Congressman John Carter.]
ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM 28, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON ADOPTING A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE CITY OF LANDERS COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING REQUEST TO CONGRESSMAN JOHN CARTER, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR GOODMAN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. 
          SO IT'S A NEXT STEP IN THE GREEN APPLICATION. 
          I SAY GREEN APPALACHIAN, BUT FEDERAL FUNDING KIND OF APPLICATION PROCESS, UH, JUST SHOWING THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS. 
          SO AS THE ELECTED LEADERS OF LANDER OFFICE, WE SHOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BEHIND THIS PROJECT, WHICH HELPS GIVE US ANOTHER POINT TOWARDS, UH, THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, BUT I CAN GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. 
          THIS IS FOR THE $500,000, IT WOULD BE USED IN AWARDS, UH, BUILDING SPACE FOR THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER IN A SECOND. 
          IS THERE FURTHER ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [29.  Discuss and consider action on award of Solicitation #S22-021 for Interim Transit Services to Star Shuttle, Inc.; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents. ]
ITEM 29, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON A WARD OF SOLICITATION NUMBER S 2 2 0 2 1 FOR INTERIM TRANSIT SERVICES TO STAR SHUTTLE, INC. 
          AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, BEFORE YOU COME UP, DIRECTOR GOODMAN, WE DO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          UH, FIRST UP IS CARL NORMAN. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. NORMAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          CARL NORMAN, 1821 CROSS DRAWING LEANDER. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. 
          I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR THE EFFORTS IN PUTTING THIS CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR THE CITY SHOULD PR PROPOSITION AFL. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IT IS AN ACCEPTABLE INTERIM SOLUTION THAT PROVIDES COMPATIBLE LEVELS OF THE CURRENT ON-DEMAND AND COMMUTER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES IN LEANDER WHILE SAVING MONEY AND PROVIDING MORE FLEXIBILITY AND CONTROL. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT WITH THOSE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS, I HAVE TALKED TO, WE HAVE FAITH AND TRUST IN OUR CITY LEADERSHIP, MUCH MORE THAN WE DO IN AN AUSTIN-BASED CAP. 
          METRO WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED OVER THE YEARS THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN THE BEST PARTNERS FOR LEANDER. 
          THE LACK OF FLEXIBILITY, LIMITED LEVELS OF SERVICE AND THE HIGH COST OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM ARE OF GREAT CONCERN. 
          TO MANY OF US ORGANIZED SUPPORT FOR PROPOSITION A HAS ATTEMPTED TO PORTRAY ANYONE OPPOSING PROP A AS BEING AGAINST PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THE TRAIN. 
          THIS IS A FALLACY AS NOBODY HAS OPENLY STATED THAT THEY ARE AGAINST PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND LEANDER OPPOSITION IS AGAINST THE CURRENT CAP METRO PROGRAM. 
          THE CURRENT SPECIFIC PURPOSE COMMITTEE IN SUPPORT OF PROPOSITION, A SUPPORTS CAP METRO'S PROGRAM ONLY AND REFUSES TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS THIS INTERIM PLAN. 
          WE WANT THE LEANDRA SOLUTION FOR OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, NOT AN AUSTIN SOLUTION. 
          THERE'S MUCH RHETORIC, HYPE, AND UNTRUTH ABOUT THE TRAIN BEING ELIMINATED, BEING CONVEYED BY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS. 
          THE INTERIM PLAN SUPPORTS A SHUTTLE BUS SERVICE FROM LEANDER TO THE LAKE LINE STATION WHERE COMMUTERS CAN STILL UTILIZE THE METRO RAIL SERVICE. 
          ABOUT HALF OF LEANDER RESIDENTS ARE CLOSER TO THE RELATE LINE STATION THAN THEY ARE TO THE LEANDER STATION. 
          PERSONALLY, I DO NOT WANT TO TRAVEL 12 MILES NORTH TO CATCH A SOUTHBOUND TRAIN. 
          THE TRAIN IS NOT BEING ELIMINATED. 
          WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT A SMALL NUMBER OF LEANDER WRITERS UTILIZE THIS INTERIM PLAN TO ACCESS CAP, METRO RAIL AT THE LAKE LINE STATION, THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION PAYMENTS 
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DUE TO CAP MAKE METRO, SHOULD WE EXIT ARE CALCULATED USING A COMPLEX AND CONFUSING ALGORITHM CAP. 
          METRO IS THE DECIDER ON WHAT THE VALUE IS THAT GO INTO THIS EQUATION. 
          IT IS A POISON PILL AND BEING USED AS THE BOOGEYMAN LEANDER WILL FOOT THE CAP METRO BILL, WITHOUT HAVING ANY SAY OR OPTIONS. 
          I SAY WE TAKE THEM TO COURT AND DISPUTE THE AMOUNT AS OTHER CITIES HAS, HAS SIX SUCCESSFULLY DONE IN THE PAST THE COST OF THE CURRENT CAP NATURAL PROGRAM COMBINED WITH THE LACK OF OPTIONS AND CONTROL FOR LEANDER IS WHY THERE IS OPPOSITION TO CONTINUE WITH CAP. 
          METRO. 
          THE MONEY SAVED WILL PROVIDE NEARLY IDENTICAL SERVICE WHILE ALLOWING LEANDRA TO ACCESS THE FUNDS TO USE ON A VARIETY OF MORE PRESSING AND URGENT NEEDS FOR OUR CITY WHILE GIVING LAND OR COMPLETE CONTROL OVER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. NORMAN. 
          UP NEXT IS JAMES LARSON. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. LARSON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES LARSON AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT MY NEW ADDRESS AS OF YESTERDAY IS 2 61 6 PINE BRANCH. 
          I'M NOW A PROUD HOMEOWNER IN LEANDER, TEXAS AFTER YOUR LONG BUILD. 
          UM, HERE ARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAIN SPECIFICALLY AS DISCUSSED BY MR. NORMAN. 
          UM, FIRST IN AN EXTREMELY ABBREVIATED RFP TIMELINE. 
          SECOND, THE LACK OF MULTIPLE BIDDERS, THIRD, THE UNSPECIFIED, UH, COMMUTER SERVICE PICKUP AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS FORTH. 
          UH, THE LACK OF ASSURANCES FROM THE BIDDER THAT THE SERVICE WILL BE SUFFICIENTLY STAFFED AND THE OPERATORS WILL BE CERTIFIED TO MAINTAIN CURRENT SERVICES IN LIGHT OF THESE DEFICIENCIES. 
          THE CITY SHOULD AMEND ITS RFP PROCESS AND OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES TO THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN CURRENT TRANSIT SERVICES SO THAT VOTERS CAN BE BEST INFORMED TO CAST THEIR BALLOTS IN THE UPCOMING SPECIAL ALEXA. 
          FIRST THEY ABBREVIATED RFP TIMELINE. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT THE RFP WAS RELEASED ON MARCH 24TH, 2022 WITH THE LAST DAY TO SUBMIT RESPONSES ON APRIL 7TH, 2022, EXACTLY ONE MONTH BEFORE THE INTERIM TRANSPORTATION SERVICE A PROJECT, THE CITY'S UNFORTUNATE SUBSTITUTION SERVICES WOULD NEED TO COMMENCE TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF TRANSIT SERVICES FOR LEANDER CAP. 
          METRO IS SPENT YEARS BUILDING THE EXISTING TRANSIT SYSTEM, SERVING THE AD, OR THIS CANNOT BE ADEQUATELY REPLICATED AND IMPLEMENTED IN A MATTER OF WEEKS. 
          SECOND, THE LACK OF MULTIPLE BIDDERS, THE SOLE RESPONSE TO THE RFP, A BID BY STAR SHUTTLE WAS RECORDED ON APRIL 7TH, 2022. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO ASSURE LEANDER RESIDENTS THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING THE BEST REPLACEMENT SERVICE, MULTIPLE BILLERS, UH, WOULD BE DESIRABLE. 
          THEN THE UNSPECIFIED COMMUTER SERVICE PICKUP AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS, UH, PARKING RIDE OF THE COMMUTER SERVICE ELEMENT OF THE INTERIM TRANSPORTATION SERVICE PROJECT IS CONTINGENT ON CAPITOL METRO, ALLOWING THIRD-PARTY USE OF ITS PARKING RIGHT FACILITIES AT BOTH THE EXISTING LEANDER AND LAKELINE STATIONS OR DESIGNATION OF A NEW LEANDER LOCATION IN A SUITABLE LOCATION IN THE PROXIMITY OF THE LAKELINE STATION. 
          UH, THE TRANSIT DEMAND ANALYSIS PREPARED BY THE CITY BY THE GOODMAN CORPORATION, 2021 SPECIFIED THAT A $6 MILLION PARKING FACILITY WITH 300 SPACES WILL BE NEEDED IF CAP METRO'S COMMUTER RAIL AND COMMUTER BUS SERVICES WERE A PLACE WITH A THIRD-PARTY ALL BUS SERVICE. 
          THE RFP DOES NOT SPECIFY SUCH A FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIAL FOR OPERATING THE SERVICE. 
          UM, I, I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER ALL THIS IN, IN INTEREST OF TIME. 
          UH, THE RP DOES NOT SPECIFY WHETHER CAP METRO WILL ALLOW COMMUTER BUSES OR VANS OPERATED AS PART OF THE ISP TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO LIKE LINE STATION. 
          AND THIS CANNOT SIMPLY BE ASSUMED. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO HAVE THE OTHER, UH, REMARKS PREPARED, BUT IN, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, OUT OF THERE'S A THREE-MINUTE LIMIT HERE I'LL, UM, I'M JUST GONNA SKIP DOWN SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT HAVE, UM, THE CITY'S RFP PROCESS HAS NOT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT TIME FOR A VENDOR TO DEVELOP TRANSIT SERVICES THAT ARE EQUIVALENT TO THE CURRENT SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED, UH, BY CAP METRO, UM, DEBRIEF AT A TIMELINE LIMITS, THE ABILITY OF VENDORS TO RESPOND. 
          INDEED ONLY ONE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, THE UNDERDEVELOPED NATURE OF THE RFP LEAVING KEY DETAILS, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT UNFORTUNATELY, UM, UH, IT SEEMS THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, REPLACING ONE TREE THAN THEY ARE ABOUT, UM, ALTERNATIVE TRANSIT SERVICES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR STUDENTS, SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND OTHER VULNERABLE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO DEPEND ON CAP, METRO SAFE, RELIABLE, AND AFFORDABLE SERVICE TO HAVE THAT. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE PUBLIC SAFETY IS TO SUPPORT PROPOSITION A ARE VULNERABLE COMMITTEE MEMBER, COMMUNITY MEMBERS DEPEND ON IT. 
          UH, LEANDER NEEDS TO KEEP CONNECTED WITH THE REST OF AUSTIN. 
          LET'S KEEP OUR PROMISES TO OUR TAXPAYERS WHO VOTED TWICE NOW TO CONTINUE ITS PARTNERSHIP WITH CAP. 
          METRO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. LARSON. 
          I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. 
          WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS  I'M AT 5 1 5 TALON GRASP ROAD IN A SOMERVILLE AND LEANDER. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO NOT SUPPORT STAYING WITH CAT METRO AND REALLY SUPPORT THE CITY'S IDEA TO MOVE AWAY FROM CAP METRO. 
          I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE MORE PROPONENTS WHO WANT TO STAY WITH CAP METRO, BELIEVE 
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IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I BELIEVE THE CITY COULD DO MUCH BETTER GOVERNING THEMSELVES MANAGING THEIR OWN BUDGETS AND, UH, REALLY OFFERING MORE SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS OF LEANDER. 
          UM, SOME WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN IN CAB METRO FOR 35 YEARS OR 25 YEARS, AND THAT STAYING IN MEANS A COMMITMENT. 
          WELL, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT STAYING IN A BAD RELATIONSHIP IS NOT A GOOD THING. 
          YOU SHOULD EXIT IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT BEING SAID AGAIN, I FULLY SUPPORT LEAVING CAP METRO, AND I WISH YOU GUYS WOULD VOTE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LEAVE CABINETRY AS WELL, OR, UH, SUPPORT THE IDEA OF ALLOWING THIS RFP TO GO THROUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, COUNSEL. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          MR. GOODMAN. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH A TIMELINE IT'S TO TALK ABOUT THE RFP PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS. 
          UH, AS YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, WE HAD THE COUNCIL VOTED TO PLACE PROPOSITION A, UH, ON THE BALLOT, UH, DURING THE JANUARY 25TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          UH, YOU'D LET THE STAFF KNOW THAT CONTINUING SERVICE IN SOME FORM WAS IMPORTANT. 
          SO THAT WAY A TRANSIT DEPENDENT INDIVIDUALS CAN STILL BE SERVED IN THE EVENT THAT PROPOSITION FAILS. 
          WE ISSUED THE RFP, WHICH IS A S 22 0 2 1 ON MARCH 24TH TO SOLICIT PROPOSALS FOR AN INTERIM TRANSIT SERVICE. 
          THAT WOULD GO BETWEEN SIX, EIGHT MONTHS. 
          THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE IS FOR SEVEN MONTHS. 
          SO IF IT'S WITHIN THAT RANGE AND WE EVALUATE THE INFORMATION RECEIVED, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, UH, WHAT'S THE GOAL OF THE RFP WAS TO IDENTIFY A QUALIFIED TRANSIT PROVIDER. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ANYONE WITH A TAXI OR A CAR. 
          THESE ARE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD A BACKGROUND CHECKS, UH, SPECIAL TRAINING, UH, AND HAVE THEIR QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED TO MOVE PEOPLE SAFELY. 
          UM, WE DID RECEIVE THE, SORRY, WHEN YOU ARE ENVISIONING ISSUING A SEPARATE RFP FOR MORE LONG-TERM. 
          SO WE KIND OF CALL IT MEDIUM TERM. 
          UH, AFTER THIS YEAR, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD END ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2022 TO GET US KIND OF FROM THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WHILE THAT, UH, NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS BEING PAID DOWN, WE ENVISIONED MORE ROBUST SERVICE. 
          AND WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PICKUP ZONE. 
          UH, SO STAR SHUTTLE IS WHO WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO THEY'RE AN EXPERIENCED TRANSIT PROVIDER THAT PROVIDES ADA EQUIPMENT VEHICLES. 
          SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY TRANSIT DEPENDENT, OR IF THEY'RE DISABLED, THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THESE VEHICLES AND BE MOVED AROUND SAFELY. 
          UH, RECENT CONTRACTS FOR SERVICE FROM STAR SHUTTLE INCLUDE THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UT AUSTIN, UT SAN ANTONIO, UT RIO GRANDE VALLEY, AND THE UNIVERSITY HEALTH SYSTEM, SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, BIG CLIENTS THAT, THAT SERVED AND WE CHECK THE REFERENCES AND THEY ALL HAD VERY GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT STARS ON THEM. 
          UH, THEY HAVE A STRONG HISTORY OF PASSING FDA AUDITS AND US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSIT, FEDERAL MOTOR CARRIER SAFETY ADMINISTRATION COMPLIANCE REVIEWS. 
          SO THEY ARE KIND OF HELD TO A HIGH STANDARD AND THEY'VE MET THOSE STANDARDS. 
          UH, THEY ALSO PASS BACKGROUND CHECKS AND IF COMPLETED FEDERALLY REQUIRED TRAINING, UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A SEVEN MONTH CONTRACT FOR SERVICES STARTING ON MAY 16TH. 
          UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM MIKE'S PRESENTATION, THAT'S WHEN THE CANVASSING HAPPENS. 
          AND IF VOTERS ELECT TO EXIT THE MEMBERSHIP, HEPA METRO, UH, SERVICE WOULD STOP, THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SERVICE AVAILABLE THE NEXT DAY. 
          I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          IF THAT CANVASSING DATE CHANGES, IS THERE WIGGLE ROOM IN THE CONTRACT TO ADJUST OUR START DATE? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM, CAUSE I THINK THE 16TH IS THE LAST DAY THAT IT CAN BE CANVASED. 
          AND I THINK USUALLY WE CANVAS BEFORE THE LAST RIGHT. 
          IT WAS THE LAST, LAST TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WILL CHECK ON THAT FOR YOU. 
          I KNOW. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GETTING A GAP IN SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          AND UH, SO WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS A PICKUP SERVICE SIMILAR TO CAPITAL METRO. 
          SO IT'S THE TWO ON-DEMAND VEHICLES THAT YOU SEE KIND OF GOING WITHIN THAT PICKUP SIGN. 
          AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN A SECOND. 
          UM, AND THREE COMMUTER BUS RUNS IN THE MORNING AND THREE IN THE AFTERNOON, THAT'S CONTINGENT UPON A ONE OR TWO SCENARIOS. 
          SO EITHER CAPITAL METRO LETS US USE, UH, THE LANDER PARKING RIGHTS STATION. 
          UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE THOSE PEOPLE. 
          IF CAPITAL METRO WILL LET US DO THAT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER SCENARIO COULD BE FUNDING A THIRD PARTY PARKING LOT. 
          WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS GOING ON BECAUSE IT'S A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION. 
          WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AND IDENTIFY THEM BECAUSE SOME NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING, BUT I CAN'T SAY WE HAVE MULTIPLE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          WHAT'S AN MOU DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT OUT. 
          UH, THE PROPOSED TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT IS $520,520. 
          IT'S BASED ON A SEVEN MONTH CONTRACT PERIOD. 
          UH, AND IF YOU BREAK THAT DOWN PER MONTH, THAT'S ABOUT $74,360. 
          I KNOW WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THE MOST OR THE MAJORITY OF THAT FUNDING COMES FROM ON-DEMAND PICKUP SERVICE WITH THE 458,000 
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AND THE COMMUTER SERVICE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE LIMITED SERVICE, UH, IS ABOUT $62,000. 
          UH, SO THIS IS, UH, AN IDEA TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PICKUP SERVICE. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE BASED OUR RFP ON IS THE SAME PICKUP SERVICE ZONE. 
          AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT PICKUP SERVICE ZONE COVERS IN LEANDER, UH, THIS IS, UH, WHAT'S COVERED BY A COUPLE OF METRO RIGHT NOW IN THE FUTURE. 
          IF WE DID WANT TO EXPAND THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT IN A FUTURE RFP, UH, TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS OF LANDER, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY NOT COVERED. 
          UM, SO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, WARDEN A CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $520,000 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. 
          AND IT, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. 
          SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS CONTRACT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S ONLY IF A PROPOSITION IS SUCCESSFUL OR, OR, SORRY, I'M EXPLAINING WRONG. 
          IF PROPOSITION A FAILS CAPTURE, UH, SERVICE ENDS, THEN IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT AND WE'D HAVE SERVICES AVAILABLE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, THIS IS AWESOME. 
          SO THANK YOU, UH, REALLY BIG TEAM EFFORT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE ON STAFF WORKING ON THIS. 
          AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I KNOW THIS WAS NOT EASY TO GET RESPONSES. 
          AND SO I, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, JUST A MINOR QUESTION, BUT STILL IMPORTANT. 
          SURE. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE IS A, UM, THERE'S A, A COST FOR SAFER CAP METRO TO USE THE SERVICE, EVEN THOUGH WE PAY FOR IT. 
          WHAT IS THE COST TO THE CONSUMER OR TO THE USER FOR THIS SERVICE? DO WE HAVE THAT OR WILL THERE BE A COST? UM, THAT'S FLEXIBLE. 
          I, THIS IS ENVISIONING NO COST RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IF WE DID WANT TO, IN A STUDENT COST, I BELIEVE WE COULD DO THAT. 
          AND RICK MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME MORE TRADITIONAL HAVING ACTUALLY RUN TRANSIT BEFORE FOR A PUBLIC ENTITY. 
          IF WE GET INTO FAREBOX, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. 
          IT MAY BE THAT YOU, YOU WANT SOME TYPE OF PASS. 
          IT MAY BE VERY NOMINAL JUST TO CONTROL TRIP DEMAND. 
          UH, I HAVE SEEN A FEW AND EVEN BEEN IN PLACES WHERE THEY WERE RUN FOR A TOTALLY FOR FREE, AND THERE CAN BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. 
          SO EVEN IF IT'S A DOLLAR FAIR, UH, IT MAY BE A DOLLAR PASS FOR THE DAY. 
          MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, WE CAN GO FURTHER IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT USING FTA FUNDS IN THIS CASE, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE SAME TYPE OF ISSUES WITH FAREBOX RECOVERY, BUT HOW THEY WOULD ACCOUNT FOR IT OR HOW THAT WOULD BE NETTED OFF THE TOTAL. 
          SO WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT IN FAIRLY SHORT ORDER. 
          NO SECOND, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION STILL DISCUSS I'M JUST SECOND. 
          SO THE LAKELINE STATION WE ARE ABLE TO DROP OFF, OR YOU SAID THAT WAS STILL IN QUESTION. 
          SO WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION CAPITAL METRO'S BASICALLY SAID THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DISCUSS THAT UNTIL THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. 
          AND WE WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE OF CAPITAL METROS. 
          LET'S LET'S DO THAT. 
          WE WANT TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. 
          MY QUESTION WAS AROUND THE COMMUTER SERVICE. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT, WHAT EXACTLY SERVICES AT INCLUDING COMMUTING FROM OUR STATION POTENTIALLY DOWN TO THE ONE IN AUSTIN, IF IT'S ALLOWED FOR US TO GO THERE OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT REPLICATING THE EXACT SAME COMMUTER ROUTE? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          IT'S ENVISIONING GOING TO LAKELINE STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT REPLICATING THE EXPRESS BUS. 
          NO. 
          UH, JUST BECAUSE THE INTERIM SERVICE PERIOD, I WOULD SAY BETWEEN THE SEVEN MONTHS, WE'VE REALLY ENVISIONED IT FOR GOING INTO LAKELINE STATION SO THEY COULD USE THE WHOLE NETWORK, BUT IN THE FUTURE VERSION, THAT'S MORE OF A LONG-TERM OPTION. 
          UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS. 
          UM, IF CAPITAL OF METRO DECIDES THAT WE CANNOT USE THAT STATION, WHAT DOES COMMUTER SERVICE LOOK LIKE THEN? UM, SO WE ARE ABLE TO CHOOSE WHICH OPTIONS WE WANT IN THE CONTRACT. 
          SO THEY'RE SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR COMMUTER UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO USE IT. 
          UM, SO YOU COULD JUST DO THE PICKUP SERVICE UNTIL CAPITAL METRO. 
          UM, EITHER MAKES A DECISION OR, UM, WE USE A SEPARATE LOT AND CHOOSE A DIFFERENT DESTINATION. 
          MY CONCERN WOULD BE WHERE WANTING NOW TO APPROVE 520,000, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          UM, IF THEY DECIDE THAT WE CAN'T USE DROP OFF AT THAT STATION, WE STILL NEED TO PROVIDE SERVICE IN THE INTERIM, WHICH IS WHAT WE AGREED TO DO, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO, NOW WE NEED TO KNOW NOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO REPLICATE. 
          ARE WE GOING TO BE SITTING HERE AGAIN, GETTING A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN A FEW MONTHS? UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT NOW. 
          SO IS THERE A WAY THAT 
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WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION WELL, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, IF WE'RE GETTING THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT IN A FEW MONTHS, THAT MEANS WE'RE LEAVING PEOPLE STRANDED FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          LIKE WE CAN'T, THAT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BE OPTION. 
          WE HOPE CAPITAL METRO WORKS WITH US ON THAT BECAUSE, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR EVERYONE. 
          I THINK FROM A COST STANDPOINT AND SURFACE STANDPOINT IS TO MOVE THEM TO LIKE LINE STATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK I PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN WHAT'S BEING STATED HERE, BUT MY THOUGHT IS IS THAT IF, IF THE BALLOT, IF A PROPOSITION A FAILS, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE WE JUMPED INTO A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT AND FIGURE OUT WHO ELSE IS OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A LONGER-TERM PLAN INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF THIS BANDAID ACTION. 
          AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER SERVICES GRANTED, THERE'S GOING TO BE SMALL, SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION THAT IS GOING TO BE LEFT IN A LITTLE BIT OF ALERT. 
          BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THE, AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE CITY AND BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THOSE DOLLARS, I JUST, ALTHOUGH I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD COMPANY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. 
          UM, ONCE WE HAVE, ONCE OTHER COMPANIES ARE WILLING TO TALK TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEFINITELY, I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I RECOGNIZE, OH, SORRY. 
          I THINK ONE OPTION COULD BE TO ONLY ACCEPT THE COMMUTER SURFACE. 
          IF THAT'S A CONCERN, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO A SEPARATE RFP FOR I'M SORRY, SORRY. 
          ONLY ACCEPT PICKUP. 
          DO A SEPARATE RFP FOR A MORE ROBUST COMMUTER SURFACE. 
          IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST SAID, WE, WE MADE THIS CLEAR THAT WE, OUR PREFERENCE IS TO NOT HAVE AN INTERRUPTION IN SERVICE. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS OUR WAY TO, TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          AND IT IS INTERIM SERVICE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S CLEAR IT'S INTERIM SERVICE. 
          I THINK HAVING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT WE KNOW OF FOR SIX MONTHS WHILE WE DO EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, BUT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO THAT AND, AND STILL OFFER THE PROPER SERVICE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE JUST FIND THEM AND THAT'S THE MAJORITY OPINION. 
          THAT'S SOME DO ANY OPINION. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE ONLY WAY, THE WAY, THE WAY I SEE TO GET THERE IS TO HAVE SOMETHING NOW. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THAT RELIEF TO GET TO WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO BE COUNCILMEN. 
          LONGORIA IS NEXT. 
          UH, IT WAS JUST SAYING, I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THIS IS A STOP GAP, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT OTHER COMPANIES. 
          I MEAN, NOTHING AGAINST THIS COMPANY, BUT I GUESS IN MY MIND, IF WE KNEW RIGHT NOW THAT WE COULD DROP PEOPLE OFF, I WOULD SAY, LET'S DO THIS, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME UNKNOWNS AND CAP. 
          METRO IS NOT GOING TO WORK WITH US UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION. 
          SO WHAT TIME IS IT? SO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN INTERIM PLAN RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WITH THAT, I'M JUST WANTING, I'M ASKING FOR, TO CLEAR UP. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SO FAR IS THAT WE WOULD RATHER, RATHER THAN DO THIS AND HAVE OUR BEST INTERNET PLAN FOR RIGHT NOW THAT WE'D RATHER WAIT, SEE WHAT IT IS, AND THEN GO, TRY TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE DEAL FOR WHAT WE NEED. 
          THAT'S WHAT, OKAY. 
          WHAT IS IT, IF IT'S HELPFUL? WE DID HAVE, UM, SOME PRETTY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER BIDDERS WHO DID NOT BID ON IT. 
          UM, THEY DID KIND OF HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT STAFFING LEVELS. 
          UM, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BUS WHERE THEY WOULD PUT THEM, UH, SOURCE SHUTTLE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BUS DRIVERS. 
          THEY DID HAVE THE VEHICLES ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO HOUSE THEM, UM, WHILE THEY'RE HIRING OTHER PEOPLE. 
          SO THIS REALLY WAS WHAT WE SAW AS THE BEST OPTION FOR INTERIM PERIOD. 
          OH, I JUST THOUGHT I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS CHIMING AND EARLIER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OKAY. 
          CAUSE YOU, AND THEN CITY MANAGER, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU, CAN YOU ALSO CLARIFY FOR, UM, ANYBODY THAT NEEDS ADA, UM, GUIDELINES LIKE THIS BUS SERVICE IS GOING TO PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY, ANYBODY THAT IS DISABLED OR WHEELCHAIR BOUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. 
          SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US TOO. 
          I KNOW YOU WOULD ALL HAVE MADE THAT AN IMPORTANT, UM, SO EVERY VEHICLE THAT'S AN OPERATION WILL BE ADA ACCESSIBLE. 
          SO THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO BE SERVED MANAGER. 
          I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT PUTTING TOGETHER, LET'S SAY A MORE ROBUST COMPUTER PIECE. 
          IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER THE ROAD, COACHES, A MULTI-YEAR AMORTIZATION ON EVIL, WHETHER IT'S A CAPITAL LEASE OR CAPITAL PURCHASE, THOSE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE VEHICLES. 
          AND THEN THE STAFFING FOR THAT. 
          SO THAT PIECE FOR MOST OF THOSE BITTERS PROBABLY WOULD BE MUCH EASIER IF THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE, SAY A THREE-YEAR DEAL OR A FIVE-YEAR DEAL. 
          JUST THAT'S. 
          THAT IS PART OF THE, THE ISSUE, THE UNKNOWN PIECE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY AN INTERIM PIECE NOW THE OTHER, THE FLIP SIDE WOULD BE, AND CAN YOU, I GUESS CAMERON ARE, THOSE IS THE COMMUTER PIECE HERE. 
          THE SAME TYPE OF VEHICLE BASICALLY DID HAVE THEY SPECIFIED, I BELIEVE IT'S A CUTAWAY VEHICLES. 
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SO THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY SHORT TRIP. 
          NOW, IF THEY WERE PROPOSING ON A STRAIGHT TO DOWNTOWN CIRCULATE THE STREETS AND MAYBE DROP OFF AT A COUPLE OF MAJOR EMPLOYERS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, UM, ACCESS TO LAKELINE, BUT THAT WOULD, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN USUALLY LARGER VEHICLES, UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT RIDE TYPE INSTEAD OF THE CUTAWAYS. 
          SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THEM A MULTI-YEAR COMMITMENT TO PROBABLY PROPOSE ON IT. 
          UH, AND JUST BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH PROVIDERS, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD SERVICE AFTER THAT DECEMBER 31ST DATE. 
          IT'S JUST, THIS INTERIM PERIOD WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRICKY BECAUSE THE UNKNOWN SURFACE, IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT OR NOT. 
          SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THINGS SET UP, THEY'D HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE AND HAVE THAT AVAILABLE PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THIS APPROVAL IS ONLY VALID DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          IF, IF I'M AFTER THE VOTE IN, IT DOES FAIL IN THE EVENT THAT CAP METRO IS WILLING TO, TO NEGOTIATE WITH US AND CONTRACT FOR SERVICE, FOR SERVICE. 
          UM, WE ARE STILL LOCKED INTO THIS FOR SIX MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S TRUE. 
          AND IF THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS TRUE. 
          UM, IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT ON THE COMMUTER BUS SERVICE, YOU COULD ACCEPT JUST THE PICKUP SERVICE BECAUSE IT IS VERY SIMILAR. 
          AND THEN YOU COULD CONTRACT WITH CAP METRO FOR THE COMMUTER SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE, ARE YOU ASKING FOR APPROVAL ON BOTH? AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT LATER. 
          I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS, UH, APPROVAL, UH, CONTINGENT UPON ACCESS TO A PARKING LOT FACILITY, BECAUSE THAT WAY, IF WE HAVE THAT ACCESS, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE COMMUTER SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOUR OPTION NUMBER TWO IS? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO IS THAT WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS, WHERE YOUR MO FIRST AND YOUR SECOND WAS IT BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY SAYS IN HERE A AND B IT SAYS, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE FOLLOWING SCENARIO, CAPITAL METRO PROVIDING ACCESS TO LAKELAND STATION AND LEANDER STATION FOR COMMUTER SLASH PARK AND RIDE OPERATION. 
          AND THEN B SAYS THE FINALIZATION OF A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH A THIRD PARTY OWNER, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW FOR RELIABLE SITE FOR COMMUTER SLASH PARK AND RIDE OPTIONS FOR A DURATION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, ONE EXAMPLE IS LEASING, UH, EXISTING LOT. 
          UM, I KNOW THE SPEAKER HAD MENTIONED THE $6 MILLION NUMBER THAT'S FOR CONSTRUCTING A LOT. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME PRETTY INEXPENSIVE WAYS TO LEASE PROPERTY AND IT'S ALREADY EXISTING AND, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT OPTION. 
          SO JUST TO PRETEND COMMENTS, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE WORK FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A MUCH MORE EXPANDED SERVICE THAT HAS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON IN THAT SHORT TERM. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE RIGHT PATH TO GO IS TO JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE FULL PLAN. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS BUYS US. 
          BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START, BUT I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, UM, THE EXPRESS BUS, BECAUSE I DO WANT TO SEE A FULL REPLICATION. 
          I DON'T, I AM NOT COMFORTABLE LEAVING ANYBODY STRANDED. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM. 
          THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, IN THE INTERMINGLE AND THEY WERE DOING IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE HEAR THAT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON. 
          UH, IF THE ELECTION DOES TURN OUT THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT'S AVAILABLE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, AS SOON AS THIS CONTRACT ENDS, SO WE CAN QUICKLY ISSUE AN RFP. 
          THAT'S GETTING THAT SERVICE STARTED AS SOON AS IT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. 
          SO IS THAT EXPRESS NOT, NOT AVAILABLE? UM, NOT TO A LEVEL CURRENTLY OFFERED, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE INTERIM NATURE OF IT. 
          I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKELY TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE LONGER-TERM OPTIONS. 
          I THINK THAT IF THE PROVIDERS, THE PRIVATE SECTOR PROVIDERS, OR EVEN SOME OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR ONES THAT HAVE PARTNERED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA, I THINK IF THEY KNEW WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH CAPITAL METRO WAS OR WASN'T, AND ALSO AGAIN, IF IT'S A MULTI-YEAR AND THEY CAN AMORTIZE THE VEHICLES OR THE LEASE, UH, AND THEN THE DRIVER AGREEMENTS, AND SOME OF THOSE DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT UNION AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH SOME OF THE CAP, METRO DRIVERS, AND EVEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE THAT WORKED FOR THEM, UM, THAT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR THEM TO BID AND, AND DETERMINE IF THEY'RE UPSIDE DOWN OR NOT IN THE PROPOSAL ON A SHORT TERM. 
          I THINK IT IS HARDER BECAUSE THAT'S A MORE INTENSIVE, UH, SERVICE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES IN THIS, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT WHAT I HEARD YOU ANSWER TO COUNCILMEMBER PENTANE PARKER A MINUTE AGO WAS NOT, NO, IT WAS 
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NOT TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          SO DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE THAT WE COULD MAYBE APPROVE THIS AND YOU COULD COME BACK LATER WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT ADDS SOME LEVEL OF EXPRESSING, WELL, I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION IS, COULD WE, AND LEGALLY, I GUESS WHERE'S KELLY AT PAGE, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, COULD WE ASK FOR, UH, AN ALTERNATE, UM, THAT WOULD MAYBE EVEN GO ALL THE WAY, LIKE ONE THAT GOT, LET'S SAY THAT TO LAKELINE AND THEN AN ALTERNATE THAT ALSO GOES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THREE BUSES STRAIGHT TO DOWNTOWN OR TO APPLE OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT AS AN ADDITION, OR IS THAT TOO LATE IN THE GAME? I MEAN, THEY ARE THE SOLE PROPOSER. 
          AND IF IT WAS BASED ON AN HOURLY RATE, A COMPARABLE, HOURLY RATE AND TAKE THOSE COSTS INTO A, AND WE'VE GOT THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS, SO WE CAN KNOW WHERE WE'VE GOT THE MOST PEOPLE ON THOSE ROUTES. 
          AND WE CAN MAXIMIZE THAT THE REGISTERED NUMBERS SHOW THAT WE'RE GENEROUS FOR DOING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY ANYBODY WHO IS RIDING IT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S ALSO, IF WE'RE TALKING TO THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS, I WOULD NEVER EXPECT US TO GO REPLICATE THE SERVICE IN THIS INTERIM. 
          NOW, AS FAR AS THE FULL, LIKE ONCE WE'RE THROUGH, LET'S SAY EVERYBODY THAT THE EMOTION OR SORRY, THE, THE PROPOSITION FAILS CITY DECIDES TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WE HAVE AN INTERIM SERVICE. 
          AND THEN THIS, THIS PROGRAM WITH, WITH STAR WILL BE OVER, UM, IN DECEMBER ESSENTIALLY. 
          SO WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE BID. 
          AND IT WOULD BE A MORE ROBUST SYSTEM AT THAT POINT THAT THERE WOULD BE BIDDING ON IT CAUSE WE'D BE TRYING TO REPLICATE SOMETHING, BUT THERE'S NO WAY THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING, UH, DOING EVEN EXTRA EXPENSE ON TOP OF THOSE THINGS RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE WOULD BE FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NIGHT NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION IS, HOW THAT THING IS GOING TO GO DOWN. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN THERE WHERE I THINK THAT NOW TO NOT TO PRO TIM'S POINT, NOW WE ARE NOW WE'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE WHAT WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE NO TWO. 
          AND THAT WOULD GIVE US AN SORRY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DETERMINE ACTUAL DEMAND. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, IN THE STUDY, THERE IS SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHO'S TRULY TRANSIT DEPENDENT IS IDENTIFIED AS NOT HAVING A VEHICLE. 
          IT IS A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT THAT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS LEVEL OF SERVICES SUFFICIENT TO SERVE THOSE PEOPLE WHO TRULY NEED IT. 
          BUT IF IT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST SERVICE, WE TOTALLY CAN WORK ON THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          LONG-TERM I AGREE. 
          AND SHORT TERM, I DO NOT, I DON'T THINK IT HURTS TO LOOK AT THE OPTION FOR SHORT TERM, JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE, SORRY, PAGE. 
          UH, SO IN THE, ON THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE ADDING ADDITIONAL SERVICE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO THIS CONTRACT, YOU WOULD ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT AND THEN EXPLORE THAT THROUGH A CHANGE ORDER. 
          AND IT COULD NOT EXCEED 20 THAT CHANGE ORDER COULD NOT EXCEED 25% OF THE TOTAL CONTRACT COSTS. 
          SO THAT'D BE YOUR LIMITATION WITHOUT REBIDDING. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER ADDING THAT BEFORE YOU ENTER THE CONTRACT, THEN YOU HAVE TO REDO THE BID AND GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME TERMS TO BID ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK MAYOR PRO TEM SAYING IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE, RIGHT? I MEAN THIS, AND JUST TO SOME EXTENT IT IS. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I JUST, AND BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THE PLAYERS IN THIS REALM DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE EFFORT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR CITY'S FUNDS AND OUR TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE AFTER THIS ELECTION. 
          AND IF, AND IF PROP A FAILS, THEN WE NEED TO REGROUP AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AND DO THAT. 
          WILL IT MEAN THAT THERE'S A GAP? YES. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STATEMENTS FROM THE DIOCESE ABOUT HAVING A CONTINUATION OF THE SERVICE. 
          I'VE NEVER FELT THAT WAY AND NEVER STATED THAT. 
          SO AF SO I HEAR WHERE SOME ARE COMING FROM TO WANT TO MAKE GOOD ON THAT. 
          I JUST, I JUST DON'T FEEL THE SAME WAY WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW THOSE TWO OPTIONS THERE. 
          IT'S KIND OF, IT COULD BE EITHER TOO. 
          I KNOW IF EITHER OF THOSE SITUATIONS HAPPEN AS KIND OF HOW WE ENVISIONED IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T REALLY NEED THE OPTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S BEEN AWHILE. 
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OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, OPPOSED? HOW'S THIS FIVE TO TWO. 
          THANK YOU, PLEASE. 
          NO APPLAUSE FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [30.  Discuss and consider action on the appointment of members to fill unexpired terms on the Active Adult Advisory Committee, Board of Adjustment, Economic Development Committee and Library Foundation Board.]
ITEM 30. 
          DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION ON THE APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO FILL UNEXPIRED TERMS ON THE ACT OF ADULT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND LIBRARY FOUNDATION BOARD. 
          MAY I IMAGE EFFORT OF SAVING A FEW MINUTES OF OUR TIME? UM, MAY I, UM, I GUESS MAKE A MOTION TO READ THE NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY FITS NICELY, UM, ON THE ACTIVE ADVISORY BOARD, THERE'S ONE WHERE WE HAVE FOUR APPLICANTS IN THREE VACANCIES. 
          NO IT ISN'T. 
          YES. 
          ONE OF THE POINT THAT ONE BOY IN HIS. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO, YES. 
          SO DO I NEED TO READ THE NAMES? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE GOT TO READ THE NAMES. 
          FIRST ON THE ACTIVE ADULT ADVISORY BOARD, THERE ARE FIVE VACANCIES IN FOUR APPLICANTS, CAROL DEL SASSER, L SASSER, CHRIS RENDERMAN, JEFF ANDERSON AND LINDA SMITH ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          THIS IS WHERE JEFF ANDERSON HAD SAID, BUT HE PREFERS THE ACTIVE ADVISORY ACTIVE ADULT ADVISORY. 
          SO HE WOULD NOT BE ON THAT LIST. 
          ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE ARE THREE VACANCIES. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE FILLED WITH JAMES OLIVER, JENNY AUSTIN, AND DIEGO BILL ALARA AND THEN NO APPLICANTS FOR THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION FOR AN EXPLANATORY UNEXPIRED TERMS, MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK 
          [31.  Discuss and consider action on ratifying the Mayor's appointments to the Ad Hoc Committee to promote beautification, conservation, volunteerism and community engagement in the City of Leander.]
YOU. 
          ITEM 31. 
          DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON RATIFYING THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO PROMOTE BEAUTIFICATION CONSERVATION, VOLUNTEERISM, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THE CITY OF LEANDER. 
          I AM APPOINTING ANNA SMITH, CHRISTIAN BOLDING, JAMES OLIVER, UH, JENNIFER HOWELL, JENNIFER WHITE, KRISTIN LYNCH, UH, CHRISTY PALM AND ZACH VOICE. 
          UM, MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK 
          [32. Council Member Closing Statements.]
YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS, MR. OLIVER, UH, ITEM 32 COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS PLEASE. 
          ONE TOMORROW. 
          WE HAVE THE GOLF TOURNAMENT FOR ANYBODY THAT'S COMING OUT, JUST WAVE AND SAY HOWDY. 
          THE OTHER THING COMING UP, THE LEANDER CHAMBER, UH, OLD TOWN FESTIVAL IS COMING UP ON JUNE THE FOURTH. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT IS, I THINK THIS IS THE SEVENTH YEAR IN A ROW FOR OLD TOWN FESTIVAL. 
          UH, AND SIX YEARS IN A ROW. 
          WE'VE HAD THE 5K, WHICH WAS MY ORIGINAL INTENT TO HAVE SOMETHING OF SPORTS OR FITNESS. 
          SO IT MAKES ME VERY HAPPY THAT WE DO THE 5K EVERY YEAR. 
          UH, SO IF YOU HAVE NOT REGISTERED FOR THE 5K AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUN, YOU CAN WALK, YOU CAN RUN BACKWARDS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. 
          UH, BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. 
          IT'S A LOT OF FUN AND THEN HANG OUT ALL DAY FOR THE OLD TOWN FESTIVAL. 
          AND WITH THAT, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU PLEASE. 
          TO MR. TOLMAN'S MENTIONED MOVIE IN THE PARK. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S FRIDAY. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW IN CONDO REALLY GOOD MOVIE. 
          AND NEXT WEEK WE HAVE A TEEN FOCUS GROUP FOR THE LEANDER ACTIVITY CENTER. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A TEEN AND THEY HAVE COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE FOR THE LEANDER ACTIVITY CENTER NEXT TUESDAY, COME OUT. 
          THANK YOU PLEASE. 
          THREE, I SPEND HOURS THINKING ABOUT THIS MOMENT EVERY OTHER WEEK. 
          GOODNIGHT, NICELY DONE. 
          PRETEND EARLY VOTING STARTS MONDAY. 
          GO BOAT. 
          ALRIGHT, PLEASE. 
          FIVE. 
          AGREED TO CONNECT PLEASE. 
          FOR GOOD EVENING. 
          MA'AM MAY I JUST ONE SECOND. 
          I'M SURE. 
          CAT HOWELL WAS HERE EARLIER AND SHE DID NOT GET TO DO HER PRESENTATION. 
          UH, I, SHE WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT SAN JACINTO DAY TO ECENTRA CENTO DAY. 
          SO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HAPPY SAN JACINTO DAY, TEXAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, IT'LL BE ON NEXT MONTH. 
          AND FINALLY, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO SHOP LOCAL, ALL OF OUR CATERING HAS DONE BY LEANDRA BUSINESS, EVERY MEETING. 
          AND SO TONIGHT WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO SUBWAY FOR OUR DELICIOUS DINNER AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN YOU ARE OUT AND ABOUT SHOPPING OR GOING OUT TO DINNER OR WHATEVER, PLEASE DO ALL THE SHOPPING THAT YOU CAN IN LEANDER BECAUSE KEEPING YOUR MONEY LOCAL KEEPS EVERYTHING RUNNING NICELY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          [33. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to: (1) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Rule 1.05, Texas Rules of Professional Conduct, to consult with legal counsel regarding the necessity for and to authorize condemnation of a .002 acre right-of-way tract and fifteen (15') foot wide (.017 acre) public utility and sidewalk easement on land located on Raider Way, Leander, Texas near Parkway Crossing for construction of a portion of the Raider Way / E. Woodview Drive Roadway Improvements (CIP T.12); and (2) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Rule 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct, to consult with legal counsel regarding Docket No. 53063, petition by outside city ratepayers appealing the water rates established by the City of Leander, Texas; and  (3) Section 551.072, Texas Government Code to deliberate the purchase, exchange, lease, or value of real property for possible municipal facilities; and (4) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Rule 1.05, Texas Rules of Professional Conduct, to consult with legal counsel regarding BCRUA contracts, water service agreements and management of water usage; and (5) Section 551.074, Texas Government Code, to discuss or deliberate the appointment, employment, evaluation, reassignment, duties, discipline, or dismissal of a public officer or employee: city manager. Reconvene into open session to take action as determined appropriate regarding: (1) Approval of an Ordinance authorizing condemnation of a .002 acre right-of-way tract and fifteen (15') foot wide (.017 acre) public utility and sidewalk easement on land located on Raider Way, Leander, Texas near Parkway Crossing for construction of a portion of the Raider Way / E. Woodview Drive Roadway Improvements (CIP T.12); and (2) Docket No. 53063 appealing water rates established by the City of Leander; and authorize the City Manager to execute engagement letter with Davidson, Troilio, Ream, and Garza, PC; and (3) Real property for possible municipal facilities; and (4) BCRUA contracts, water service agreements and management of water usage; and (5) City Manager.]
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ONE SECTION 5 51 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND RULE 1.05 TEXAS RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING 
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THE NECESSITY FOR AND TO AUTHORIZE CONDEMNATION OF A 0.002 ACRE, RIGHT OF WAY TRACT AND 15 FOOT WIDE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          POINT ONE SEVEN ACRE PUBLIC UTILITY AND SIDEWALK EASEMENT ON LAND LOCATED ON EAST RAIDER WAY. 
          LANDER, TEXAS NEAR PARKWAY CROSSING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A PORTION OF THE RAIDER WAY. 
          EASTWOOD VIEW DRIVE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, CIP T ONE TWO, AND NUMBER TWO, SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND RULE 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING DOCKET NUMBER 5, 3 0 6, 3 PETITION BY OUTSIDE CITY RATE PAYERS APPEALING THE WATER RATES ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY OF LEANDER, TEXAS, AND THREE SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.072 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY FOR POSSIBLE MUNICIPAL FACILITIES. 
          AND FOR SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND RULE 1.05 TEXAS RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING BCR UA CONTRACTS, WATER SERVICE AGREEMENTS, AND MANAGEMENT OF WATER USAGE AND FIVE SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.074 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DISCUSS OR DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER EMPLOYEE CITY MANAGER. 
          WE ARE CONVENING AT 10:44 PM. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE ARE RECONVENING INTO OPENING SESSION AT 1:44 AM TO TAKE ACTION AS DETERMINED, APPROPRIATE REGARDING NUMBER ONE APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING CONDEMNATION OF A 0.002 ACRE, RIGHT OF WAY, TRACT AND 15 FOOT WIDE 0.017 ACRE PUBLIC UTILITY AND SIDEWALK EASEMENT ON LAND LOCATED ON RAILWAY LAND OR TEXAS NEAR PARKWAY CROSSING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A PORTION OF THE RAIDER WAY EASTWOOD VIEW DRIVE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, CIP T 0.12 MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          THE APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING CONDEMNATION OF A 0.002 ACRE, RIGHT OF WAY, TRACT AND 15 FOOT WIDE 0.17 ACRE PUBLIC UTILITY AND SIDEWALK EASEMENT ON LAND LOCATED ON RIGHT AWAY. 
          LEANDER, TEXAS NEAR PARKWAY CROSSING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A PORTION OF THE RAILWAY EAST WOODVILLE DROP ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS CIPT 0.1, TWO RATIFICATION OF PRIOR EFFORTS AND ACTIONS TO OBTAIN SUCH LAND STATING WHAT'S THAT WORD STATING INTENT TO EXERCISE THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN, IF NECESSARY TO ACQUIRE THE LAND AUTHOR AS THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, PLEASE CLARIFY 0.017 AND I'M CLARIFYING TO READ IT'S 0.0 0.1 7.0. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S 0.017 ACRE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          ONE PLEASE. 
          TWO. 
          HI, PLEASE. 
          THREE, PLEASE. 
          FOR HI PLEASE. 
          FIVE PLEASE. 
          SIX. 
          I AM ALSO AN AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NUMBER TWO, DOCKET NUMBER 5, 3 0 6 3 APPEALING WATER RATES ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY OF LANDER AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH DAVIDSON TRIOLO, REAM AND GARZA, PC MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MOTION AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH DAVIDSON TRIAL, A RAYMOND CAR'S A PC, A SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NUMBER THREE, REAL PROPERTY FOR POSSIBLE MUNICIPAL FACILITIES. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION. 
          NUMBER FOUR. 
          BCRA CONTRACTS, WATER SERVICE AGREEMENTS, AND MANAGEMENT OF WATER USAGE. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION. 
          NUMBER FIVE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          DO YOU HAVE EMOTION? NO ACTION. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 1 47.
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