Apr 28, 2022 P&amp;Z Commission

ALIGNMENT OF THE ROADWAY AND WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING NATURE OF LIVE OAK ROAD.

MICHAEL CHANEL SKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

UH, SO THIS, UH, REQUEST IS, UH, DUE TO STAFF COMMENTS DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW.

UH, SO THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS APPROVED BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.

AND THE NEXT STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

UH, DURING THIS REVIEW, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RECLASSIFY LIVE OAK ROAD, UH, SHOWN HERE ON THE MAP MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE.

UM, BUT IT'S THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE HIGHLIGHTED THE REQUEST IS TO RECLASSIFY LIVE OAK ROAD FROM A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

UH, THIS CHANGE WOULD REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE ROADWAY AS WELL AS ALLOW FOR, UH, HOMES TO FRONT ONTO LIVE OAK ROAD.

THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY PROHIBITS RESIDENTIAL LOTS FROM FRONTING ONTO COLLECTOR CLASS ROADWAYS AT THE APPLICANT AND STAFF HAVE MET REGARDING THE RECLASSIFICATION OF LIVE OAK ROAD FROM A RESIDENTIAL, UH, FROM A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

AND STAFF AGREES THAT THE PROPOSED RECLASSIFICATION IS APPROPRIATE CONSIDERING THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINES, UH, THE EXISTING RIGHT AWAY ALIGNMENTS AND THE PROPOSED LAND USES IN THIS AREA.

UH, THE RESIDENTIAL STREET WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE

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AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? GOOD EVENING.

IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

THIS IS THAT ERIC VAN WITH, UH, JONES CARTER.

UM, JUST TO REITERATE A COUPLE POINTS THAT, UH, MICHAEL MENTIONED, I THINK WE'RE JUST INTERESTED, UM, AND HAVING THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE.

UM, I THINK LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE, THE EXISTING LIVE OAK HAS DRIVEWAYS FRONTING ONTO IT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THE SAME.

UM, I THINK THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKING THE COLLECTOR ROAD THROUGH IT IN THE FUTURE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK, UH, IT SHOULD BE ALL FAIRLY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, I'LL HEAR IT NOW, SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH VICE CHAIR, MAN.

SO I DON'T HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH IT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MR. CHOMSKY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, GREAT WOODS IS TO THE SOUTH OF LIVE OAK, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY HOUSES FRONTING TO THAT.

I THINK THEY'RE FRONTING OFF OF MONTE TRAIL.

UM, AND, AND I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIVE OAK GOING RIGHT THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING THROUGH, WHICH PRESENTS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

UH, BUT ARE WE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS, BUT ARE WE INHIBITING THE TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THAT AREA BY MY, UM, LESSENING, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE OR REQUIRE, UH, AS A RESULT, WHICH IS GOING TO IMPACT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF THIS.

SO I THINK, UH, ORIGINALLY WHEN SOME OF THESE, UH, LARGER PROPERTIES WERE, UH, UNDER REVIEW FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WE WERE EXPECTING MAYBE A DENSER RESIDENTIAL, UM, A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE, AND I CAN HIGHLIGHT THEM OVER HERE.

SO WE HAD, HERE'S THIS ONE, THE LEANDER ESTATES, AND THEN WE HAVE THE HILLTOP.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE OVER HERE, THAT'S KIND OF IN DISCUSSION, UM, WHERE THEY'RE ALL DOING LARGE, ONE ACRE, LOTS.

UM, SO THAT TRAFFIC COUNT PROBABLY WASN'T AS GREAT AS IT, AS WE WERE EXPECTING.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT AND THE, AND THE, UM, DEMAND IS FOR THE LARGER LOTS, AND THIS SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.

I'M GOOD.

COMMISSIONER MAY, UH, WE HEARD PREVIOUS CASE TO THAT WAS TO THE ROAD, TO THE SOUTH, THE DOTTED LINE.

THAT'S JUST IN THE SOUTH OF IT.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE COMMISSIONER BOSS, UM, HE ANSWERED, HE ASKED MY QUESTION AND YOU ANSWERED IT.

NO QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

I'M GOOD.

AND I AM GOOD.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY VICE CHAIRMAN.

I SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MOSS, ALL IN FAVOR, OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY

[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-008 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban) to GC-3-C (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 2.3 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032240; and more commonly known as 50 High Gabriel East, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-008 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

THAT MOVES US TO ITEM 10, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO DASH 0 0 8.

TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, SUBURBAN TO GC THREESY, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 2.3 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AS PARCEL R 0 3 2 2 4 0 AND MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS 50 HIGH GABRIEL EAST LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL JANESKY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL.

SO THIS PROPERTY FRONTS ONTO 180 3 A AND IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE COTTAGES AT BRYSON AND THE BRYSON SUBDIVISION THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.

UM, IT ALSO IS ADJACENT TO, UH, SOME LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL, UH, JUST NORTH OF IT.

AND, UH, THIS PART IS ETJ.

SO THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANT TREE COVER AND THE, UH, THE TREES WILL BE, UH, WILL NEED TO BE LOOKED AT DURING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UM, AND FOLLOW ANY OF THE, UH,

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CITY MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.

THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED, UH, BACK IN 2005, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY PREVIOUS ZONING CASES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY.

UM, THERE IS ACCESS TO UTILITIES AND, UH, SO THIS PROPOSED, UH, REVIEW OR PROJECT WAS, UH, BROUGHT TO STAFF BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2021.

UM, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PLAN SINCE THEN.

UM, YOUR ATTACHMENT NUMBER SEVEN SHOULD BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH DURING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION ALONG WITH NOISE.

UH, THE DEVELOPER DID PROPOSE SIDING, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE SITE, UH, TO ALLOW THE BUILDINGS TO BACK THE RESIDENTIAL, TO HELP REDUCE THE NOISE, UM, UH, SHOULD JUST BE NOTED THAT WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED ANY OF THE SITE PLANS JUST YET.

UH, THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP IDENTIFIES 180 3, A AS A MULTI-USE PRIORITY MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND IT BECOMES COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, RETAIL OR OFFICE OR, UH, PROFESSIONAL USES AS WELL.

AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL IN ALL JUST HAPPY TO HOPEFULLY PROPOSE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE MEDICAL OFFICE AND MAYBE SOME RETAIL, UH, HERE IN LANDER, SO WE CAN MOVE OUR COMPANY HERE.

WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.

MY NAME IS SHAY KIRKMAN.

UM, I AM THE APPLICANT AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, ONE OF THE OCCUPANTS OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO I JUST WANT TO, I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKSTORY.

UH, STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR AWHILE.

UH, ON THIS PROJECT, WE IDENTIFIED THIS PROPERTY, UH, OR THE NEED FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THIS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PUT MY ENGINEERING COMPANY HERE IN LEANDER AND THE OFFICE, THE DEMAND AND SUPPLY ARE NOT ACTUALLY ACTUALLY MATCHED UP RIGHT NOW.

SO, UM, I'M CURRENTLY, MY AUSTIN TEAM IS IN CEDAR PARK.

UH, I'D LIKE TO RELOCATE THEM TO THIS LOCATION.

WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, AT MOST A FIVE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE PAD AND POTENTIALLY A RETAIL RETAIL SLASH OFFICE FOR THE FRONT PAD, UM, AS A, AS A MULTIPACK DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE FULL PICTURE.

AT LEAST THAT'S OUR PLAN.

I WOULD LIKE TO OCCUPY OWNER OCCUPY ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

UH, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS WHO OWNS A TITLE COMPANY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

AND, UM, WE THINK WE'VE, UH, TALKED TO THE MARKET AND BROKERS OUT THERE, AND WE THINK THERE'S A HIGH DEMAND FOR MEDICAL OFFICE FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

AND LIKE I SAID, ON THE FRONT BUILDING, WE'D LIKE SOME, UH, RETAIL FLEXIBILITY IN CASE A RESTAURANT OR SOME NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COME IN.

UM, QUICK, QUICK UPDATE.

I'VE MET WITH THE, UH, THE BRYSON COMMUNITY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE ME A SPOT ON THEIR AGENDA.

WE HAD A GREAT MEETING, HAD A BUNCH OF GREAT QUESTIONS AND REALLY FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT, ONCE I EXPLAINED THAT WE HAVE HIGH GABRIEL AS OUR ACCESS DRIVE, THAT WILL BE OUR NORTH ACCESS DRIVE, UH, THAT ALONG WITH BACKING THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDINGS TO THE RESIDENTIAL MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO OUR BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED, THE FRONT BUILDING WOULD FACE 180 3, A, UH, THE REAR BUILDINGS WOULD FACE NORTH, UH, BACK INTO BRYSON.

UM, AND OUR TRAFFIC WOULD ACTUALLY USE HIGH GABRIEL ROAD AND WE ALREADY HAVE A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FROM TXDOT TO IMPROVE THAT DRIVEWAY WHERE HIGH GABRIEL INTERSECTS THE SERVICE ROAD.

AND WE'RE, UH, WE'VE AGREED TO INSTALL A DECELERATION LANE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES TO GET THAT TRAFFIC.

IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE SERVICE ROAD, I USED TO SAY DURING TRAFFIC NOW, IT'S JUST, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT SERVICE ROAD IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD, JUST PAST BRYSON, IT'S PRETTY FAST AND PRETTY SCARY.

SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT IN A DECEL LANE, YOU KNOW, GET THOSE PEOPLE SLOWED DOWN OFTEN TO SAFETY AND THEN INTO OUR PROPERTY, UM, AND WORKING WITH STAFF, I APPRECIATE THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHTED THE, I THINK IT WAS CALLED THE COTTAGES PROJECT, UH, BEHIND US OR, OR NEXT TO US, UM, THAT ACTUALLY IS PROVIDING A STREET STUB, UH, MIDWAY THROUGH OUR PROPERTY OR, OR TWO-THIRDS, OR A THIRD INTO OUR PROPERTY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A SECONDARY POINT OF ACCESS, BUT, UH, WHAT I EXPLAINED TO THE, TO THE BRYSON COMMUNITY WAS IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T BENEFIT US.

UH, OUR, OUR PEOPLE HAVE NO INTEREST IN DRIVING THROUGH THE BRYSON COMMUNITY.

IT WOULD TAKE A LOT LONGER, A LOT OF TURNS AND STOP SIGNS AND, AND SO HAVING HIGH GABRIEL ROAD, UM, AND THE ABILITY TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD AND THEN THE ACCESS TO 180 3, UH, IT MAKES IT ARE PRETTY CLEAR PRIORITY ACCESS.

SO I THINK THEIR, UH, THEIR RESIDENTS WERE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.

AND THEN WE DID MEET WITH THE, UM, WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY OWNER TO OURSELF OR TO OUR EAST WHO STILL LIVES OUT THERE AND, UM, HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATIONS IN, IN, UH, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN FAVOR, UM, OF, OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND I, I, HOPEFULLY I CAN WORK WITH THEM ON SOME STUFF THAT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING.

SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE TRACK OF THE NORTH IS REALLY JUST UNDEVELOPED.

UH, WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THAT OWNERSHIP.

I THINK IT'S A, UH, AN INVESTMENT GROUP.

SO WE JUST HAVEN'T REALLY FOUND SOMEONE TO TALK TO YET, BUT, UM,

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SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, I WILL HEAR THE MAP SEEING YOUNG, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

THE DEVELOPMENT IS MORE THAN JUST THAT PIECE, THAT YOU'RE REZONING, CORRECT? YES.

THE NEXT W WE'RE DOING IT IN TWO PHASES.

THIS IS THE FIRST ZONING REQUEST BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

SO WE WANTED TO HEAD GO AHEAD AND GET THIS PROCESS GOING.

OUR PLAN IS TO ANNEX THE BACK PORTION AND GO FOR THE SAME ZONE.

AND WHAT WE DID IS, UH, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNICATION, I PROVIDED A LETTER WITH TWO CONCEPT PLANS, ONE THAT MATCHED THIS EXACT ZONING REQUEST AND THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT FIT WITHIN THIS ZONING REQUEST, AND THEN THE REMAINING THREE BUILDINGS BEHIND IT, WHICH IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING UPFRONT.

SO, UM, TRY TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYBODY KNOWING THAT OUR FULL PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT THAT'S THE FIVE PAD THAT I MENTIONED, ULTIMATELY IT'S FIVE PADS THAT AT MOST.

SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, IT DOES.

THAT'S ALL.

I HAD COMMISSIONER ELANTRA.

SO FIRST HALF IT'S THAT SMALL PIECE OF RETAIL HE'S WANTING THAT, UH, KNOCKS HIM OUT OF THE, UH, OFFICE ZONING LOCAL OFF.

NO, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO HE'S REQUESTING GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

SO HE'D BE ABLE TO DO OFFICE SPACE THERE AS WELL.

BUT, BUT HE COULDN'T GO TO A LESSER ZONING.

UH, HE COULD, BUT THE MULTI-USE AT THE PRIORITY MULTI-USE CORRIDOR ALLOWS FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MOSS.

I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS QUESTION TO GO TO, BUT MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT ALL THOSE TREES AND EVERYTHING, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT? SO WE, WE DON'T KNOW YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED OUR LAYOUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO, THE INITIAL CONCEPT PLAN WE PROVIDED, UM, HAS SOME TREES BEING REMOVED, SOME BEING PRESERVED, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE GOT THE ZONING FIRST, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP US DEFINE THE BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UM, WE DO HAVE A SURVEY COMPANY THAT, UH IN-HOUSE AND SO, UM, WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND STARTED THE SURVEY, THE TREE SURVEY PROCESS.

SO I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT, UM, WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE, AND WE'VE DONE LEANDER PROJECTS BEFORE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ACTIVE.

UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE, OF THE TREE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND I BELIEVE I'VE GOT TO SEE WHAT THE TREE SURVEY SHOWS.

I THINK WE ONLY HAVE ONE OR TWO HERITAGE THAT ARE ON THERE.

UM, A LOT OF, UH, I WILL TELL YOU DURING THE WINTER TIME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, A LOT OF UNDERBRUSH GOT CLEARED OUT AND YOU CAN SEE THE SITE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THE WINTER THAN, THAN IN THE SUMMER, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING, UM, ON OUR LIST.

THAT'S KIND OF OUR NEXT PREDESIGN ITEM.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MAY.

I'M GOOD.

VICE CHAIRMAN.

SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

SORRY, SIR.

NOPE.

SO I I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN YOU SAID, UM, YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY.

NO, I'M SORRY.

I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL.

SO, UH, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, UH, FOR YOUR NEXT, FOR YOUR NEXT PROPERTY, AND YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE ONE BEHIND HIM, I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE TO THE EAST.

CORRECT.

SO IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THAT'S CORRECT.

IN TALKING WITH A LOT OF THE BROKERS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AND IN MATCHING WITH THE CORRIDOR THAT IT'S DESIGNATED, THAT'S WHAT WE WENT WITH.

DOES THAT BRING MY HOME? UM, OKAY.

SO JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, AND THEN BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER ELANTRA WAS GETTING TO, MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, I KNOW YOU CAN DO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BUT IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU REQUEST A GENERAL COMMERCIAL WHEN LOCAL COMMERCIAL SEEMS TO ALSO BE AN APPLICABLE USE CONSIDERING WHAT YOU SAID THAT THE, UM, THE PLANS ARE FOR THAT PROPERTY? YEAH, IT, IT KIND OF MORPHED OUT OF A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY AND SOME OF THOSE BROKERS WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE, THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL FLEXIBILITY, UM, SEEMS TO BE APPEALING TO THE RETAILERS RIGHT NOW, LOOKING UP AND DOWN 180 3.

UM, IT'S WHEN I FIRST ASKED, I SAID, LOOK, IF I, IF I WANT RETAIL, MAYBE SOME RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THAT FLEXIBILITY.

SO THAT, THAT FRONT BUILDING CAN REALLY BE MARKETED AS SUCH.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

IF YOU, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, IT'S KIND OF ELEVATED.

SO RETAILERS, I THINK WOULD, WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT VIEW CORRIDOR, EVEN IF IT'S PUSHED BACK OFF THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT WITH THE SETBACKS.

SO IT GAVE US THE MOST FLEXIBILITY FOR MARKET.

MY PERSONAL BUILDING WOULD BE BEHIND THAT ONE.

SO I DON'T, I'M, I'M FINE WITH ALL PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OWNING, BUT, UM,

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WELL, AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT, AND IT'S MAYBE MORE FOR A STAFF THING IS BECAUSE LOCAL COMMERCIAL ALLOWS RETAIL, SALES, RESTAURANTS, BANKS, NURSERY, GREENHOUSE, GROCERY STORES, PHARMACIES, FITNESS CENTER, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE FRONTING TO 180 3, 8 SERVICE ROAD.

BUT WHAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL ALSO ALLOWS AND WHEN WE ZONE IT THAT WAY, WE HAVE NO SAY AT THAT POINT, IT'S BY RIGHT.

UM, BAR NIGHTCLUB, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, VENUES, LIQUOR STORE, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT WANT FRONTING 180 3 SERVICE ROAD.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I I'M ASKING WHAT THE NEED IS AND, AND THE REASONING, UH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE COMMISSIONER LANSFORD WAS GETTING TO AS WELL AS WHY THE COMMERCIAL, WHEN I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING TO DO IS MORE FIT AND DESIGNED AND KEEPS US PROTECTED WITH A LOCAL COMMERCIAL ZONING.

AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.

IT REALLY JUST GAVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY.

IT, I CAN TELL YOU A BUILDING I OWN IN DALLAS FORT WORTH, WHERE WE OPERATE OUT OF DALLAS, WE ARE NEXT TO A RESTAURANT AND TWO BARS.

AND I DON'T LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THOSE RETAIL OPTIONS WITHOUT LIQUOR STORE, WITHOUT BAR.

UM, I EVEN HAD ASKED, AND I WASN'T SURE THE COMFORT LEVEL ON RESTRICTIONS IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BUT THEN EXCLUDE ALLOWABLE USES AS THIS, THIS AND THIS.

IF, IF THE COMMISSION HAD SOME OBJECTIONABLE USES, CAUSE I'M, I'M HAPPY TO AGREE TO THOSE.

IT JUST, IT WAS A FLEXIBILITY THING MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

CAN YOU DO THAT WITHOUT A PUD? OKAY.

BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, I, I JUST GO BACK TO, IF YOU WANT TO EXCLUDE THOSE THINGS, THEN WHY DON'T WE GO BACK TO LOCAL COMMERCIAL? AND THAT'S KIND OF JUST WHERE I'M LEANING TO ANYWAY, I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT BECAUSE IT IS AN ACCEPTABLE USE.

I JUST THINK THAT, UM, WITHIN, WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, I JUST ALSO THINK THAT FOR YOUR FUTURE PROJECT AND BEING ABLE TO PASS THAT A LOCAL COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO GIVE YOU MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF PASSING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL ZONED IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE OR NOT ZONE, BUT, UM, IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, WHEN THAT'S LOCAL COMMERCIAL, ISN'T AN ACCEPTABLE USE EITHER, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A GENERAL COMMERCIAL PASS IN THAT SPACE.

SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL.

I JUST THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU BE SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD.

I THOUGHT THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL WAS, WAS IN LINE WITH KIND OF THE, THE FLOP AND, AND THE OVERLAY AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO MATCH THAT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT DID GIVE US THAT FLEXIBILITY, BUT IT WASN'T AN ATTEMPT TO THAT WASN'T THE INTENT.

BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND IT IS BY THE WAY, IT IS IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

SO, AND IT'S IN LINE WITH OUR COMP PLAN.

UH, ABSOLUTELY.

I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU BE SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR NEXT ZONING CASE AS WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU COME BACK FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN AN AREA DESIGNATED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.

I GOT YOU.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL.

WELL, IN THAT ONE, THAT ONE I CAN SEE WE, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER THING.

UM, IT WAS EITHER IN OUR PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING OR ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WITH STAFF, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE FRONT ZONING AND WE START THE PROCESS ON THE BACK, LIKE I KEEP SAYING FRONT AND BACK, I APOLOGIZE, THE CURRENT CASE.

AND THEN THE TRACK TO THE EAST, I WOULD, I WOULD EVEN DOWN ZONE OR BE FINE WITH DOWNLOADING THAT BACK HALF IN, IN THE, AT THE TIME.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE ONLY, OR IF LOCAL COMMERCIAL WAS THAT DESIGNATION.

SO IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT WHEN I BRING THAT CASE, IT, IT MAY HAVE AN LC ON IT, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S, IF IT'S, IF I'M SAYING THIS RIGHT.

GC UPFRONT LC IN THE BACK, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PLANS WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHEN YOU SAY LIKE A MULLET, INSTEAD OF YOU SEEING IT IN FRONT, YOU DON'T SEE IN THE BACK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

THAT'S MINE.

YEAH, I HAVE, I CRACK MYSELF UP.

IT'S AMAZING.

SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE IT WAS ON THE SIDE OF THIS HOUSE.

UM, I, I WILL, WILL ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF COMMISSIONER'S LAND SHIP AND VICE CHAIR, MAN.

UM, I, I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT GC BEING CLOSE, SO CLOSE TO, UM, BRYSON AND THE EAST TRACK BEING, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT IS NOW.

UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT, UM, I WOULD REALLY, REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT THAT BACK OR THAT BACKSIDE DOOR.

UM, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS AN ACTION

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ITEM.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I THINK A MOTION TO APPROVE, HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY.

SO I HAVE A SECOND ON SECOND EMOTION.

THAT SECOND TRUCK, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER MOSS, ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL OPPOSED YOU POSE HYPOS THREE OPPOSE MOTION.

TY THREE, THREE MOTION FAILS.

UM, YOU STILL GO ON TO, THIS GOES ONTO TO COUNSELING.

UM, EVERYBODY LIKES YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THE RECORD ABOUT THEIR, I COULD.

AND YOU WANT TO WISH YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR, OKAY.

WELL, I'VE SPOKEN ENOUGH ALREADY ON THIS ONE.

SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SWITCH TO MINOR PUD WITHOUT REALLY NOTIFYING? SO IF THEY COULD SWITCH TO MY APART AND NOT HAVE TO BE NO.

I CAN GO CHECK THAT IT'S ONE WHERE, UM, YOU WOULD JUST BE PROHIBITING USES, WHICH MEANS IT'S, UM, A REDUCTION IN INTENSITY INTENSITY.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE ATTORNEY, SO WE DON'T MESS SOMETHING UP, BUT YOU COULD TABLE THIS AND BRING IT UP AFTER I TALKED TO HER REAL QUICK.

MAY DO THAT.

NO, NO YOU CAN'T.

YEAH, IT'D BE NICE THOUGH, BUT YOU CAN, COULD WE, UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION.

I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

COULD WE, UH, ROBIN, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A LESSER ZONING THAN WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? YEAH, WE COULD DO.

HE COULD POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND I COULD DO MY GOOD RESEARCH AND IT WOULD STILL KEEP HIM ON TRACK FOR COUNSEL AND MAKING BETTER DECISIONS TO POSTPONE.

YES.

I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE BY VICE CHAIR, MAN, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.

LANTRIP ALL IN FAVOR, OPPOSED THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND MS. GRIFFIN, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR US THAT WE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO CONFIRM WITH OUR ATTORNEY, IF WE HAVE THAT ABILITY WITHOUT MAKING THEM START OVER, RIGHT? YES, DEFINITELY WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.

AND IF WE DO HAVE THAT ABILITY, WE MIGHT WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH SOME NOTES TO PRESENT TO ALL.

SURE.

PERFECT.

11, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ASHEN REGARDING HIS OWN CASE.

MA'AM THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER

[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-010 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to HC-4-D (Heavy Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately seven acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R620745; and approximately 1,200 feet south of the intersection of CR 269 and Hero Way on the south side of Hero Way, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-010 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

22 DASH Z DASH 0 1 0.

TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR.

ONE B SINGLE-FAMILY YOUR RURAL TWO HC FOR THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AS PARCEL ARE 6 2 0 7 4 5, APPROXIMATELY 1200 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF CR 2 69 AND HERE AWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERO WAY, LEANDRA AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

MR. HUNT, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION JUSTIN HUNT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY FROM SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR THE ANTICIPATION OF MANUFACTURING, LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES FOR THIS PROPERTY AND INCLUDED AS ALLOWABLE USES UNDER THE EMPLOYMENT AND FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF HIRO WAY WEST INTO THE EAST OF 180 3, A TOLL ROAD.

THE SURROUNDING PARCELS HAVE A MIX OF INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY, ZONINGS AND COMMERCIAL, BUT MOST OF THE PARCELS ARE USED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR ARE UNDEVELOPED.

THIS PROPERTY CONTAINS SCATTERED TREES, UH, BUT AS MOSTLY AN OPEN AREA AND THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, NO DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF AND NOTICES HAVE BEEN MELD ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

THE AGENT REACHED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY OR ANY PROPERTIES USED AS SINGLE FAMILY USES WITHIN 500 FEET AND NO CONCERNS HAVE BEEN FILED.

UH, THE FULL REPORT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

THIS ZONING REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ALL A LOOK OF THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH IS THE INTERIM SFR DASH ONE DASH B.

THEN YOU HAVE OUR FEATURE LAND USE OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER.

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THIS IS THE NOTIFICATION BOUNDARIES.

UH, THE 200 IS THE BLACK LINE.

YELLOW IS THE 500 FOOT.

AND THEN HERE'S THE PROPOSED ZONING OF THE HC, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HAS HEAVY COMMERCIAL ON BOTH SIDES, EAST AND WEST, AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

THEN HERE'S THE AERIAL EXHIBIT AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE CASE.

IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING STAFF.

MY NAME IS SPENCER FILMER AND THE OWNER OF THE SEVEN ACRE TRACK AND ALSO THE, UM, TRACK TO THE WEST THAT 10.6 ACRES, WHICH IS, WHICH DOES HAVE A HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

OUR INTENT, OUR INTENT IS TO LOCATE OUR OFFICE IN GEORGETOWN.

WE HAVE, UH, 45 EMPLOYEES TO THE, UH, RE ALONG HERO WAY.

YEP, PERFECT.

SO THERE'S A 400 FOOT SETBACK.

UM, SO WE'LL BE PUTTING, WE'D LIKE TO PUT OUR OFFICE IN THE, ON THE, ON THE ADJACENT TRACK.

AND THEN IN THE, WITH THE ROAD, THAT EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 70, THE USED THE, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE USED FOR EMPLOYERS AND IT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAS, UM, THE ZONING IS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE AREA AND BOTH NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES, UM, ALREADY HAVE SIMILAR, UH, ZONING.

I'LL BE STANDING BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

APPRECIATE YOUR APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND SERVING THE PUBLIC.

THANKS FOR THANKS.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC, HEARING YOU OUT.

IF THERE IS ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SEEING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH FIRST YEAR, MAN.

MY ONLY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT ACCESS TO THAT TRACK, BUT YOU COVERED IT SERVE JUST SINCE YOU OWN THE TRACK TO THE WEST.

COMMISSIONER ELECTRIC.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. FILLMORE AND IT'S REALLY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING AT ALL.

I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY UNDERS UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY THAT MENTIONED MANUFACTURING, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL.

BUT THEN THE LETTER THAT I SAW THAT NOTIFIED THE PROPERTY OWNERS JUST MENTIONED OFFICE WAREHOUSE STORE INTENDS TO BUILD OFFICE WAREHOUSE.

SO, SO THAT, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT, AND THEY REALLY ARE THERE, UM, AND THEIR CENTERS.

I MEAN, THERE REALLY ARE THEY'RE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS BETWEEN TWO TO THREE TENANTS, TWO TO THREE OFFICES, BATHROOM, AND THEN AN AREA, IF YOU THERE'S A THERE'S, THERE'S ONE ON LEANNE.

THERE'S SEVERAL AROUND IN THE AREA, BUT, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 17 TO 20 SMALL EMPLOYERS WITH FIVE TO 10 EMPLOYEES EACH.

YEP.

APPRECIATE YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

I'M OKAY WITH IT.

AND I, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOTION THAT MOTION APPROVED BY COMMISSIONER LANTRIP SECOND, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS

[12. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-013 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to adopt the 805 S. Bagdad PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning district of GC-2-A (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 2.26 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R035153; and legally described as Lots 2 & 3, Block B of the Falcon Oaks Sec 1 Subdivision, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-013 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

ITEM, NUMBER 12, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 DASH Z DASH 0 1 3.

TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM F R O N D SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO ADOPT THE 8 0 5 SOUTH BAGHDAD POLICE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT Z A G C TWO, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AS PARCEL R 0 3 5 1 5 3, AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS, TWO AND THREE BLOCK B OF THE FALCON OAKS, SECTION ONE, SUBDIVISION LEANDRA, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

MR. HALL.

THANK YOU AGAIN, JUSTIN HUNT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THEIR DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY FROM INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO A MINOR PUD WITH GC DASH TWO A AS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE AND EXPAND THE USE AS A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

THE EXISTING USE ON THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT PRIOR TO THE ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

UH, THAT ANNEX WAS IN 2017.

THIS REQUEST WOULD BE THE CURRENT USE AND, UH, WOULD BRING THE CURRENT USE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S ZONING REGULATIONS PROVIDE ENHANCED ENHANCEMENTS TO THE EXISTING USES AND EXPAND THIS SELF STORAGE USE A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION ON THIS CASE IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS A SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE, THE DEVELOPER WISHES TO ADD ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS.

THE FACILITY

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EXISTED PRIOR TO THE ANNEXATION AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED WITH AN INTERIM RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH THE ANNEXATION.

UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING WILL ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE USE.

WELL, NOT EXPANDING THE PERMITTED USES THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT, A QUADRANT, UH, SOUTH BAGHDAD AND FALCON OAKS DRIVE INTERSECTION TO THE NORTH IS A LOCAL COMMERCIAL PARCEL INTO THE SOUTH IS THE CENTRAL TEXAS SPCA.

UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO SOUTH BAGHDAD ROAD, WHICH SEPARATES RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND IN TO THE EAST IS THE FALCON OAKS SUBDIVISION, WHICH IT IS A PART OF.

AND THEY ARE ZONED TO SFE DASH TWO DASH B WITH THE, UH, CONTINUATION OF USE OF SF YOU DASH MH DASH TWO DASH B UNTIL 2027.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THE LIGHT TREE COVERAGE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT.

UM, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS SELF STORAGE AND OUTDOOR STORAGE.

A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2021 TO EXPAND THE SELF STORAGE USE AND NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THAT MEETING.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICE THAT THE CITY MAILED OUT, UH, TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, THE APPLICANT ALSO MELD OUT THE 500 FOOT NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH NOTICE, NO CONCERNS HAVE BEEN FILED.

UM, AND THEN THE APP, UH, THE, THE REPORT IS IN THE PACKET.

THIS ZONING PROPOSAL WOULD BRING THE CONTINUED USE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE IN IS COMPATIBLE WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP THROUGH THE MINOR PUD.

UH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS CASE.

AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? YES, IT IS.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THANKS JUSTIN.

MY NAME IS, UH, NEIL NICK I'M WITH THE DRAENOR GROUP.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER WHO IS MONT FORT, UH, ON THIS MINOR PUD, EXCUSE ME.

YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME.

THE ALLERGIES ARE KILLING MY VOICE.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET FOR YOU.

UM, AS JUSTIN MENTIONED, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR MINOR PUD.

THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THE MINOR POD IS THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL DOESN'T ALLOW FOR SELF STORAGE.

SO THIS IS BEING ADDED IN AS, AS AN ALLOWED USE.

HERE'S AN OVERALL AERIAL OF THE SITE, AND I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN ONE MORE TIME.

AND AS JUSTIN POINTED OUT, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH VEHICULAR STORAGE, UH, IS, IS PRESENT ON THE SITE.

OUR INTENT IS TO RETAIN THE TWO BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH, UH, AND REALLY GET RID OF ALL THE VEHICULAR STORAGE AND CREATE A BUILDING ON, ON THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THIS WOULD BE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED AND MOST OF IT WOULD BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED.

UH, IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT NSFR THE CURRENT HEIGHT LIMIT IS 35 AND WE ARE, UH, WE'LL BE ADHERING TO THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ANTICIPATING WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 35 AND 40 FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, IF YOU GO INTO THE SITE RIGHT NOW, THERE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CHAIN LINK FENCING WITH BARBED WIRE, PRETTY MUCH ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.

WE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A FENCE THAT WORKS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT'S SECURE.

AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FENCING ALONG THE STREET SIDES ARE ALSO BROUGHT UP TO CODE LOOK NICE.

UM, KIND OF ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT IN A, IN A SELF STORAGE FACILITY TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SECURE.

THIS IS THE VIEW FROM FALCON OAKS AND THE VIEW FROM SOUTH BAGHDAD, OBVIOUSLY NOT TOO GREAT.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, WHAT MONT FORT DOES.

SO BASICALLY THIS WAS A SELF STORAGE FACILITY IN MELISSA, TEXAS.

UM, THIS ONE WAS AN OFFICE THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE UPGRADED, BUT, UH, SIMILAR TO THIS PROJECT, THERE'LL BE SOME REFURBISHING REPAINTING OF ALL THE DOORS PANELING ON ANY OF THESE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO REMAIN.

UM, DEFINITELY BRING UP THE SITE TO FIRE CODE, COMPLIANCY, LIFE SAFETY, COMPLIANCY.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A NEW BUILD, BUT IT WAS IN KYLE, TEXAS.

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AND REALLY JUST IN CONCLUSION, UH, AS JUSTIN SAID, NOTIFICATION LETTERS WERE SENT OUT.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, ANY, UH, FEEDBACK BACK, BUT WE WANT TO HELP BEAUTIFY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAJOR CORRIDORS, BUT STILL RETAIN THAT STORAGE NEED.

UM, AND REALLY JUST REMOVE THAT DILAPIDATED VISUAL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A QUALITY PRODUCT.

UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS AN PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE ONE CARD FROM A CITIZEN WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AND IT IS BERNADETTE.

IS IT MY VASE? LET US WAIT.

VISA NARS, GET ALL MESSED UP.

IF YOU WOULD, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

UH IT'S BERNADETTE MADISON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, MY QUESTION IS, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? NEIL? SO I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE TREES BECAUSE THAT, THAT FALCON OAKS AREA HAS HAD SO MANY TREES AND WILDLIFE DISRUPTED FROM THE ANNEXATION THAT Y'ALL DID.

SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO TREES THERE.

SO THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

IS THAT IN THE FUTURE, ALL LEANDER, IF YOU COULD JUST, IF THEY COULD DO IT ECO WISE AND NOT TAKE SO MANY TREES OUT, BECAUSE WE DO WANT OUR CITY TO BE BEAUTIFUL WITH EVERYTHING, ALL THE GROWTH THAT'S GOING ON, BUT THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN.

SO YES, YOU WILL MAKE SOMETHING UPGRADING, BUT I HOPE YOU DO IT WITH THE WORLD IN MIND, PLANT MORE TREES OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE PRETTY TAKE AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT CONCRETE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, THAT'S ALL CANCELED MEMBERS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SEEING NONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP CORRECTLY, YOUR PROPERTY LINE GOES THROUGH THE END OF THE MOBILE HOME THAT'S TO THE WEST OF YOU.

SO I WILL SAY THAT BASED ON THE ARIEL, WE DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ENCROACHMENTS.

EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, AT LEAST BASED ON THE AERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT BUILDING CHEATS INTO OUR PROPERTY.

AND AFTER AN ON THE GROUND SURVEY, WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS NOT, NOT THE CASE.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS AN AERIAL SKEW.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE ENCROACHMENTS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE PROPERTY.

SO YOU WON'T AFFECT THE MOBILE, THE MOBILE HOME THAT'S RIGHT TO THE WEST OF YOU BASED ON OUR CURRENT PLAN.

NO.

OKAY, THOUGH, ONE OTHER QUESTION, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, YOUR ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF FALCON OAKS.

I'M ASSUMING NOT OFF A BAG DEAD.

SO CURRENTLY THERE IS ONE ACCESS OFF OF FALCON OAKS.

AND ONE OFF OF BAGHDAD.

OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO RETAIN EACH OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS.

I DON'T THINK THE ONE THAT'S OFF OF BAGHDAD EVER GETS USED THOUGH, DOES IT? NO, I, I, I AGREE.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT MAY HAVE A GATE IN THE FENCE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER ANY ACCESS IN AN OFFICE GOALIE, IN FACT, ON THE SIDE OF THE SITE, WELL, THEY ACTUALLY SHOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE AERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A, UM, THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A RAMP OR SOMETHING THERE, BUT ACCESS OFF OF BAGHDAD IS NOT EASY IN THAT SECTION OF TOWN.

TO SEE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.

OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO NOT REMOVE ANY OF THE DRIVEWAYS THEMSELVES, AS FAR AS WHICH, UM, STREET SIDE GETS MORE ACCESS OR IS THE MAIN POINT OF ACCESS.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

ONE WITH THE OFFICE BEING ON THE BAGHDAD SIDE AND ONE WITH THE OFFICE BEING ON THE FALCON OAK SIDE.

SO IT IS, IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT FALCON OAKS COULD BE THE MAIN ENTRY.

THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TOO, AT LEAST MY OPINION ON THIS.

BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL INSTEAD OF LOCAL COMMERCIAL? SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER CASE FROM BEFORE AFTER RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, THEY FELT THE GENERAL COMMERCIALS SEEM TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE, PARTICULARLY FOR SELF STORAGE.

AND SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT.

SO THREE OF THE STAFF WOULD LIKE

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UM, CAUSE IT WAS THE MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL THAT WORKED IN THAT CORRIDOR.

AND THE MINI STORAGE IS SEEN AS MORE OF AN INTENSE USE.

SO I GUESS IF YOU'RE CONCERNED AND YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO LOCAL COMMERCIAL, THE THINGS WE'D WANT TO THINK ABOUT WOULD BE HOURS OF OPERATION.

THAT'D BE MY CONCERN FOR THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS.

I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG.

I DIDN'T AT THE TIME.

NO, THEY WERE, THEY HAD SUCH A, UH, A WELL-DEVELOPED PLAN FOR A BUILDING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

SO THAT CHANGES MY A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY STILL WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.

WELL, MY ACCESS IS THE BIG THING, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE COMMISSIONER ALANDRA, NO QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER TOMORROW.

MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT TO ACCESS TO COMMISSIONER MAY A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS.

SO CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UH, YOU WERE SAYING 35 TO 40 FEET AND THAT THAT'S PRETTY TALL FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IN MY OPINION.

UM, I DRIVE PAST THERE QUITE OFTEN AND, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW DID THIS WOULD BE A WELCOME CHANGE.

UH, BUT, UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HIGH.

WOULD YOU MIND IF I SPOKE TO THAT? SURE.

UM, SO AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THE FENCING IS, IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST EYESORE FOR THE RESIDENCES THEMSELVES.

SO NOT JUST FROM THE STREET VIEW, BUT FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES.

SO WE KNOW THAT UPGRADING THAT FENCE WILL BE A BIG COMPONENT.

WE STILL ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, NOT ONLY FROM THE ROADWAY, BUT FROM THAT SINGLE FAMILY AREA.

ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER? NO, THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIRMAN.

SO MY QUESTIONS ARE REALLY FOR STAFF AND I JUST NEED SOME HELP WALKING THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS.

CAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE AND CATEGORIES, ZONING CAPABILITY, CHEAT SHEET THAT YOU GUYS LOVE TO HAND OUT AND I APPRECIATE, UM, EXPLAIN TO ME, UH, IN, WHEN IT LOOKED AT THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, IT SAYS GC, BUT IN PARENTHESES IT SAYS PRIORITY CORRIDOR.

SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT GC IS ONLY COMPATIBLE IN A PRIORITY CORRIDOR ON A MULTI-USE CORRIDOR? IT DOES STATE THAT, AND WE ALSO JUST PASSED, UM, THAT GC CAN BE USED IN MULTI-USE CORRIDORS AT INTERSECTIONS.

AND THIS IS NEITHER A PRIORITY CORRIDOR NOR AN INTERSECTION.

IT'S AN INTERSECTION WITH FALCON OAKS AND BAGHDAD, RIGHT.

THOSE TWO ROADS.

BUT I WOULDN'T, YES.

THERE'S AN INTERSECTION TO A ROAD THAT'S CLOSE BY, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY CONSIDER THAT WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER AN INTERSECTION.

I WOULD CONSIDER AN INTERSECTION, A MAJOR INTERSECTION, LIKE BAGHDAD IN HERE AWAY VERSUS IT'S JUST TEEING IT'S RIGHT BY, YOU KNOW, A ROAD THAT GOES BESIDE IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY.

UH, COMPONENT, WHICH IS, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS ALL THE USES OF GC.

SO I, I PERSONALLY DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT, THAT IT, UM, AND, AND I DON'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST DISAGREE WITH IT THAT, THAT IT MEETS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

CAUSE I DON'T THINK GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS COMPATIBLE AS A COMPATIBLE USE DOWN THE BAGHDAD MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, UNLESS YOU GET TWO INTERSECTIONS, LIKE MAJOR IN WHAT WE CONSIDER MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, LIKE THE BAGHDAD IN HERE AWAY OR BAGHDAD AND CRYSTAL FALLS, ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S IT.

I AGREE WITH A BUNCH OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD, BUT I'M CONFLICTED BY THE FACT THAT THERE'S ALREADY STORAGE ON THE SITE AND, AND IT IS A PROPERTY THAT WAS PART OF INVOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY, THEY ASKED TO COME INTO TO THE CITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN VOLUNTARILY.

UM, AND WITH THE ZONING, AS IT SITS NOW, THEY CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH HER, WITH THEIR PROPERTY TO OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, SINK MONEY INTO PROBABLY TO PUT NICE FENCES IN OR MAKE SOME PAVING BE NICE.

UM, CAUSE IT, IT DOES NEED WORK, BUT I'M NOT SURE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE THE WAY IT SITS NOW, DID THEY, CAN THEY, THEY, THEY CAN ECONOMICALLY DO THAT TO MAKE IT BENEFICIAL TO THEM ONE OR TWO.

I'M NOT, I'M ALSO NOT SURE THAT A MINOR PUT IS WHAT WE NEED.

UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT A MINOR POD IS SUFFICIENT TO, TO, UM, BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE ZONING TO GC.

I HAVE A TYPE TWO AND A TYPE A,

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NO, NO.

CORRECT ME.

I LIKE TO THINK CORRECTLY, HOW'S GC WITH THE EXTENDED USE OF AN HC USE COMPONENT, WHICH IS THE STORAGE, RIGHT.

SO, SO IT'S ALL GC PLUS STORAGE.

I'M LOOKING AT THE, I PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK IT UP MYSELF, BUT YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT, THE PUD, THE ALLOWABLE USES SHALL INCLUDE ALL USES PERMITTED IN GC USE COMPONENT WITH THE ADDITION OF A SELF SERVICE STORAGE FACILITY.

I DON'T LIKE THAT.

MS. MR. MARSHALL QUESTION STATEMENT OR A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD PLEASE.

SO, SO IF IT'S UNDER GC GENERALLY, UM, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR STORAGE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE EXCEPTION TO THE GC RULE THEN.

EXACTLY.

THAT'S WHERE THE MINOR POD CAME IN.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO, I HAVE TO THINK ON THIS FOR A SECOND.

SO, UM, THAT CREATES AN ADDITIONAL PROBLEM FOR ME IN THIS CASE BECAUSE GC IS GC IS ALREADY, AGAIN, MY OPINION, NOT APPROPRIATE HERE, BUT NOW YOU'RE EVEN GOING FOR A MORE INTENSE USE WITHIN THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITH THIS MINOR PUTT, THAT'S ACTUALLY A HEAVY COMMERCIAL USE.

AND SO THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT ONLY GOING PAST WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD BE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING PAST WHERE THE COMP PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE THE ONLY COMPATIBILITY MAPS SO THAT IT SHOULD BE, WHICH AGAIN IS WHY WE'RE HERE WITH THE PUTT.

SO YOU GUYS KNOW HOW I'M DOING.

NO, NO.

I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN HERE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE EXISTING USE WITHOUT JUST BLANKET APPROVING A ZONING WHERE ANYTHING CAN, CAN, ANYTHING GOES, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, UM, PLEASE W W WE'D BE WILLING TO LIMIT SOME OF THE OTHER USES IF, IF THE COMMISSION HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, W WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

YES, OF COURSE YOU CAN.

UM, THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN FOR ME TOO, IS THE HEIGHT, AND YOU'RE SAYING 35 TO 40 FEET AND I'LL LIVE ON BACK THAT ROAD.

I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL.

IT'S, IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS I WOULD JUST HAVE TO SEE A VISION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE BECAUSE OF IT'S 35 TO 40 FEET, THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY TALL BUILDING AND THEN YOU GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE.

SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

DO YOU MIND IF I SPEAK TO THAT? SO AGAIN, WE'RE STILL IN A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGE.

UM, YOU KNOW, TH TH THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD CREATE A VISUAL FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, JUST SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT THINGS AND, AND LOOK AT IT ON A SCALED BASIS, BUT REALLY WE ARE STILL IN DESIGN TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE RENDERINGS, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY ELEVATION COMPONENTS THAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU TO, TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

IS IT GOING TO LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED US OF THE ONES IN OTHER LOCATIONS? IS IT GOING TO LOOK CLOSE TO THAT OR SIMILAR TO THAT FROM A QUALITY PERSPECTIVE? ABSOLUTELY.

YES, MA'AM.

I GUESS, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE TALKING SO MUCH ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS IS YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GLEASON FOR HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE TO THE WEST OF THAT, THAT WHEN THEY LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOWS, THEY SEE A 40 FOOT TALL BUILDING.

UM, I CAN KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT IN THAT, UH, I'M IN BEHIND THE HEB.

AND MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS LOOK OUT AT THE HOTEL THAT'S, UH, WHAT'S THAT A 40 FOOT ABOUT, OKAY.

YOU CAN SEE IT FROM VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, UM, I W DID YOU INFORM THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU MAILED OUT TO, THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT 35 TO 40 FEET FOR THE HEIGHTS? UH, I'LL NEED TO GO BACK AND REFERENCE THAT LETTER.

SO THAT THIS COMMUNICATION WENT ON WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO ANY APPROVALS.

AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY NO ON THIS, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF IT GETS APPROVED AND WE BUILD A 40 FEET, THERE COULD BE A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS THAT STORM CITY HALL AND SEE, WHY DID YOU APPROVE A 40 FOOT BUILDING IN OUR BACKYARD? THAT THAT'S A CONCERN, AND THAT IS WE PUT THE OUTREACH

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YES, SIR.

AND IF I CAN SPEAK TO ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT, AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WE STILL WANT TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF CODE.

SO CITY CODE HAS THOSE SETBACKS IN PLACE, AND WE WILL REQUIRE WITH ALL OF THOSE, UH, COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE YEAR.

SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS, AREN'T DOING YOUR RENDERINGS, BUT ONCE WE MAKE A MOTION, ONCE THE CITY PASSES, THE ZONING IT'S DONE, THERE'S NOT A COMING BACK AND GOING THROUGH AND TAKING A LOOK AT THAT.

SO NOT HAVING THE INFORMATION IS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HELP THE CASE, ESPECIALLY IN, IN MY PARTICULAR ASSISTANT.

YOU'VE HEARD THE THINGS I'VE SAID ALREADY.

UM, I, I DO THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

HOWEVER, UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COMMISSIONER ELANTRA ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS SO THAT THE CHAIR DIDN'T SEE THAT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE'S AWARE, BUT, UH, PRIOR TO THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE, BUT I STILL WANT TO HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER BLANCHARD, MR. CARPENTER SAY, HOLD YOUR MOTION AND SUSPENSE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF ON A, ON A MINOR IS TRYING ON A MINOR PUD LIKE THIS AND THIS GOING TO SOUND LIKE STUPID QUESTION.

CAN YOU GO DOWN TO LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND THEN ALLOW THE STORAGE? YEAH.

IF THAT'S A, IF THAT'S AGREED UPON, SO WE'LL, WE'LL WANT TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PARTS.

SO THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE OTHER CONCERN IN LOCAL COMMERCIAL.

IT WOULDN'T BE IN PAINT, BEAT LIMITED.

SO, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW AND SEE IF IT WORKS FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE LAID HOURS WITH STORAGE OR NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE A RESTAURANT OR A BAR.

SO AT 24 HOURS, OR IS IT, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, SIR, JUST SO YOU HAVE SOME REFERENCE LOCAL COMMERCIAL HOURS AS WHAT COMMISSIONER LANCER IS TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, 5:00 AM TO 10:00 PM, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 5:00 AM TO 11:00 PM, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

WE, WE WON'T BE A 24 HOUR FACILITY.

WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, GET THIS ZONING AS COMPATIBLE.

WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOUR RENOVATION AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE WANT IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UM, AREAS JUST LIKE THIS THAT WERE ANNEXED IN.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE USE WAS ALREADY THERE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD THAT CAUSE ONCE WE ZONE IT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY CAN COME DO WHATEVER IS ALLOWED IN THAT.

SO, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, MY CONCERN IS, IS MAYBE IF YOU COULD DO THE MINOR PAD WITH, UH, WITH THE LC AND THEN ALLOW THE STORAGE, SO THEY STILL CAN, CAN DO THEIR STORAGE FACILITY.

AND THEN, UM, Y'ALL COULD HAVE THE PUD CAN ADDRESS THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS AND SO FORTH.

COMMISSIONER D DO YOU MIND IF I SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS? IS THAT OKAY? SURE.

UM, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WANT TO REPRESENT THE CLIENT'S INTENT.

MY CLIENT'S INTENT THAT WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

AND SO I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, IF, IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S WILL THAT WE SHOULD POSTPONE IT AND COME LOOK AT THAT LLC, THEN I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

I GUESS WHEN I FIRST STARTED, UH, THE QUESTIONING OR THE, MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS, IT SAID IT ALLUDED TO ME BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF SMALL LITTLE BUILDINGS THERE THAT ARE NOT SMALL, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHORTER, THEY'RE LOW PROFILE.

AND YOU TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS.

I DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A GRANDIOSE 40 FOOT BUILDING, AND THERE'S NO MENTION OF THAT ANYWHERE IN ANY OF THIS, THAT THERE'S ANY, THAT TYPE OF A BUILDING GOING ON THIS PROPERTY.

SO TO ME, THAT CHANGES DRAMATICALLY THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY FROM AN OUTDOOR PLACE WHERE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HAVE BOATS AND CAMPERS PARKED, WHICH IS WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND I GO BY THERE AT LEAST TWICE A DAY.

I'LL TELL YOU I LIVE RIGHT OVER THERE.

AND IT'S, IT'S LIKE TO A BIG BUILDING, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE NICE.

I, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STOP YOU FROM DOING THAT, BUT, OR, OR BE ANY HINDRANCE WHATSOEVER, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS FOR SETBACKS FROM THE ROAD ACCESS TO THE ROAD.

I MEAN, I GO UP AND DOWN BAGHDAD ALL THE TIME.

I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OFF OF BAGHDAD AND THINGS OF THAT.

SO I WOULD WANT A LOT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.

SO I'M ALL FOR YOUR YOU'RE DELAYING AS A, AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR WITH THE STAFF, WE CAN, WE CAN TABLE THIS AND KEEP THEM ON, ON SCHEDULE.

MINOR PUG, UM, AND, AND GET YOU HOPEFULLY WHAT IT IS YOU NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN TABLE THIS, COME BACK WITH A, WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER RECEIVED,

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU MIND IF I COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS? SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID, SIR.

UM, PART, PART OF OUR, UH, INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING AS CLEAR AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE.

AND EVEN IN THESE PRELIMINARY STAGES, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THE HEIGHT.

I DIDN'T HIDE IT FROM YOU.

I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE ARE PROBABLY COMPONENTS OF THE LC THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE STILL WORK FOR US.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO TABLE THIS FOR THE MOMENT AND, AND WORK ON THAT WITH STAFF.

SO MY MOTION TO POSTPONE STILL STANDS, BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE LAST STATEMENT TO YOU, SIR, DOING WHAT COMMISSIONER, UM, LANTRIP SAID, I THINK REALLY COVERS BOTH.

IF WE CAN MOVE IT DOWN TO AN LLC WITH THE EXISTING USE COMPATIBILITY, I THINK THAT COVERS WHAT THE CHAIR'S CONCERN WAS AS WELL.

UM, YOU'RE YOU REMOVED THE MOST, THE LARGEST STOMACH BOUGHT FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN, I WAS PRETTY VOCAL AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THAT, THAT REMOVES A LOT OF THE CONCERN THAT I SHARED UP FRONT JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

ALRIGHT.

I DO HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE BY THE VICE CHAIR.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

ALL IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13 BEFORE I MOVE ON.

I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS THERE, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A FORMAL LETTER THAT YOU MOVE MAIL OUT, JUST REACHING OUT TO THEM AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THAT THERE COULD BE A 40 FOOT BUILDING.

UM, THAT THAT FEEDBACK WOULD REALLY SHAPE HOW, HOW I FEEL ON THAT.

UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ITEM 13, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES STUDY MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AND PROVIDE COMMENTS TO COUNCIL REGARDING THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE STAFF PRESENTATION.

I'LL BE STOPPED TONIGHT.

SO ARE ONE SECOND.

I THINK GOT THE WRONG PRESENTATION ON HERE.

MY BAD FOR THE SLIDES IN THERE, ROBIN FROM LAST TIME OR THE SLIDES IN THE PACKET FROM LAST TIME, BECAUSE I CAN JUST RUN OFF OF THOSE LET'S CHECK.

NO, I THINK IF IT'S IN HERE, NO.

WE ARE ON ITEM 13, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES STUDY MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE AND PROVIDE COMMENTS TO COUNCIL REGARDING THE ROADWAY ROADWAY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE.

WELL, WE GET THIS THING SORTED OUT.

WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE LEANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

[13. Discuss and consider action regarding the Roadway Impact Fee study maximum impact fee and provide comments to council regarding the roadway impact fee ordinance. Staff Presentation Discussion Consider Action]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APOLOGIES FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.

UM, SO THIS, THIS COULD BE MY LAST TIME HERE FOR AWHILE.

WE'LL SEE.

DEPENDS ON IF WE HAVE ACTION TONIGHT.

NO, NO, I AM ALREADY DOING THAT.

UM, WELL, I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT FOR, UH, FOR COUNSEL DEPENDS ON WHAT IT DEPENDS ON

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IF WE DECIDED TO ACTION TONIGHT, SAY THAT.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO WALK US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF OUR DISCUSSION A MONTH AGO, UM, AND KIND OF ALSO SHOW KIND OF SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF, OF SOME OF THOSE, UM, DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE WERE MOSTLY UNANIMOUS ON A LOT OF THINGS, WHICH IS GREAT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE THINGS THROUGH THINGS TONIGHT.

WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW, UM, THE KIND OF CRAFTED COLLECTION RATES AND WHAT THOSE WOULD DO TO ACTUAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE FOR Y'ALL.

SO WE HAVE THOSE TONIGHT TO SHARE, UH, AND THEN ALSO JUST HAVE SOME TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND REFINEMENT AND THEN POTENTIALLY ACTION, UH, ON THE ITEMS TONIGHT AT THE END.

UM, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE ARROW, UH, WHICH IS GREAT.

UM, AND ONCE THIS GROUP MAKES DECISIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT THE MAXIMUM FEE IN THE STUDY AND HAS COMMENTS FOR COUNCIL ON THE ORDINANCE THAT IT MOVES INTO THEIR COURT FROM THERE.

UH, SO THERE'S THAT, UH, THE RED STUFF IS RED FOR A REASON.

UM, WE WERE GOING TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, PENDING ACTION TONIGHT, UH, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S AN ELECTION HAPPENING.

AND SO IN CASE OF A, UH, RUNOFF OR CHANGES TO THAT, WE WERE TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WAIT AND, AND DO THAT.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAD SET THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 5TH.

UM, IF THERE IS A RUNOFF, IT WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY THE NEW COUNCIL WOULDN'T HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN SWORN IN BY JUNE 2ND.

SO IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO SLIDE A FEW WEEKS, BUT UM, THOSE DATES ARE, ARE, ARE ON THERE.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

SO IT'LL PROBABLY SLIDE A LITTLE BIT JUST FOR Y'ALL'S BENEFIT.

UM, SO WE'RE DONE WITH THE STUDY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY TONIGHT AND WE COULD FINISH TODAY.

SO THERE'S THAT.

AND THEN, UM, SO JUST AS KIND OF A QUICK RECAP, UH, ON EFFECTIVE DATE, THE MINIMUMS, A ONE-YEAR GRACE PERIOD FOR PREVIOUSLY PLOTTED PROPERTIES, GENERALLY WHAT WE HEARD WAS MAKE IT LONGER THAN A YEAR.

WE DIDN'T SAY HOW LONG, SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO TO MAKE THAT A GRACE PERIOD, IRRESPECTIVE OF PLOT STATUS, AND THEN EXEMPTS PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS APPROVED, I FINAL PLOT RECORDED, UH, AND, UH, AGREEMENTS LIKE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WAS IF THAT EXEMPTION APPLIES DURING THE OTHER GRACE PERIOD, OR IS THAT JUST BEFORE THE ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT? SO ONE OF DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND I ALSO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS AND DECISIONS.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL FOR Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY DO? UM, SO HAVE YOU EXTENDS, UH, THE GRACE PERIOD BEYOND THE STATE? THIS IS BEYOND THE STATE LINE MINIMUM.

UH, IF YOU SAY REGARDLESS OF PLOT STATUS FOR ONE YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE THAT'S ABOUT A, PROBABLY 25% LOSS IN REVENUES AND THE FIRST YEAR, UH, ROUGHLY.

AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE, UH, THE BASEMENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES, UH, SOME OF THEM WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN AN IMPLANT AND THEN PULL BUILDING PERMITS WITHIN THAT YEAR TIMEFRAME.

AND SO, UH, FOR THE LARGER SINGLE FAMILY STUFF THOUGH, VOLUN TIMES, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT AND ON AVERAGE, UM, IT DOES MAKE IT SIMPLER BECAUSE FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE, YOU JUST DON'T COLLECT FEES FOR A YEAR, BUT YOU COULD LOSE OUT ON THAT ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION IN REVENUE.

THIS IS WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT DECISION IS.

UH, IF YOU GO LONGER THAN ONE YEAR, UH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA ROUGHLY BE ABOUT 500,000 PER MONTH IN LOST REVENUE.

AND THAT'S BASED BACKING INTO IT BASED ON ABOUT A SIX TO $7 MILLION PER YEAR IN COLLECTIONS.

ROUGHLY ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE THOUGH, TO BE, TO BE CLEAR AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT IS, UM, WE HOPE THAT IT'S NOT COLLECTIONS AND THAT SOME OF THAT'S BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S THE, THE CUMULATIVE VALUE OF THE BUILT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE, THE COLLECTIONS AS WELL.

SO, UM, AND THEN, UH, FOR THE EXEMPTING, THE TIA PLAT AND FINAL AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, UH THAT'S, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE, THE REVENUE DIFFERENCE IN THAT IS.

IT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAYS AND WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE PAID UNDERNEATH AND IN FACT, THE PROGRAM.

SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO OPEN IT A LITTLE BIT FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO TO COLLECTION RATE.

I CAN GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE TWO THAT HAS THE, UH, REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT IS, UH, IF Y'ALL WANT TO MAKE IT LONGER THAN ONE YEAR, HOW LONG DO YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL THAT THE GRACE PERIOD LASTS AND THEN FOR THE EXEMPTIONS, WOULD THAT BE, ONCE THE ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT, YOU HAD TO HAVE THESE THINGS IN PLACE PRIOR, OR IS THERE ALSO TIME FOR THAT AS WELL BEYOND THE EFFECTIVE DATE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE DECISION FRAMEWORK.

WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR TYPICAL FOR GRACE PERIODS THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS A YEAR? PRETTY STANDARD.

ONE WHERE THEY WAITED TWO YEARS AND THEN, UH, EXEMPTED EVERYTHING UP TO THE TWO YEAR MARK FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT, NOT FOR FINAL PLAT.

SO, UM, THAT'S HOW I'M GOING TO PULL UP THE LAST SLIDE REAL QUICK FOR YOU.

THAT THAT'S WHERE I HAD ALL THE OTHER, UH, PLACES.

IT'S A HIDDEN SLIDES.

LET ME GO INTO THAT.

SO FOR OTHER CITIES, COME ON PRESENTATION.

UM, SO THESE ARE THE ONES NEARBY ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE RECENTLY.

UM, THE GRACE PERIOD FOR ROUND ROCK IS 21 MONTHS.

THEY WANTED TO ALIGN WITH THE CALENDAR YEAR.

SO THAT'S HOW THEY KIND OF BACKED INTO THAT.

UM, PFLUGERVILLE DID NOT HAVE A VERY LONG RACE PERIOD.

IT WAS, IT WAS THREE MONTHS BEYOND THE STATE LAW.

AUSTIN HAD ABOUT 18 MONTHS WHERE THEY ALSO SAID, IF YOU HAD A TIA, THEY MADE IT EVEN LONGER.

UH, BUT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, THEY SAID AS THEY WOULD START COLLECTING, EVEN IF YOU HAD A TIA APPROVED AFTER THREE YEARS, UH, AND THEN FOR GEORGETOWN, THEY HAD THE MOST EXPENSIVE

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SO ROBIN DOES THE CITY HAVE A STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AT ALL? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ROSS.

ROSS DOES THE NO, WE DID NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE GRACE PERIOD.

IT'S MORE A MATTER OF, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT ONCE THE GRACE PERIOD HAS BEEN DETERMINED.

SO THERE'S VARIOUS MECHANICAL ITEMS. WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS AND BEING USED TO KNOW WHAT THE GRACE PERIOD IS GOING TO BE.

SO THEN WE CAN APPROACH IT.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE, CAN YOU BE READY IN A YEAR TO IMPLEMENT, YES, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

CAUSE I WAS THINKING A YEAR AS WELL, AND THIS WAS ON, I REALLY THINK THE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE THE ONE YEAR IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE AT THAT.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE FACING WITH WATER SHORTAGES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE DON'T NEED TO ENTICE MORE RESIDENTIAL TO COME IN.

UM, HOWEVER, ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, UH, I I'VE DEBATED BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, DO WE KEEP IT AT ONE YEAR TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME IN QUICKER? OR DO WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BRING FORTH THEIR PLANS BEFORE THEY GET HIT WITH THESE FEES? BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL PAYS SOME PRETTY HIGH FEES IN THERE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS LIKE IT WAS A 50 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A RESTAURANT.

IF WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT GRACE PERIOD FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A PERCENTAGE OF THE MAXIMUM, YOU KNOW, WHICH I KNOW IS A LATER DISCUSSION IN THAT MEETING, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE A DIFFERENT GRACE PERIOD FOR Y'ALL Y'ALL WOULD BE SPECIAL IN THAT REGARD? IF YOU HAVE THAT? I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHERE THAT GETS COMPLICATED IS IF YOU HAVE A MIXED USE SITE.

SO THEY COME IN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE FEES OF THE BUILDING PERMIT? AND YOU'RE OUT THE TERM OF EACH BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT SITE.

AND IT WAS RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL BASED ON WHEN THEY GOT IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I WAS THINKING MORE JUST STRAIGHT LINE COMMERCIAL, BIG BEING, GIVEN A LONGER GRACE PERIOD.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU MAKE IT TOO LONG.

THEY SAY, WELL, WE CAN WAIT FIVE YEARS TO GET INTO LEANDRA.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, I THINK, WAS INCENTIVIZING COMMERCIAL BY GIVING THEM A LOWER PERCENTAGE OR IF EVERYBODY STILL THINKING THAT, BUT YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR INCENTIVE TO COME HERE IS THAT SURROUNDING CITIES HAVE, HAVE THESE FEES AS WELL.

AND IRISH IS LOWER.

AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, RAISING THAT PERCENTAGE OVER TIME.

SO WE STARTED OFF LOW AND WHEN THEN WE INCREASED THAT OVER THE NEXT, HOW MANY EVER YEARS WE DECIDE, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCENTIVIZE, I MEAN, TO GET YOU TO COME IN, BECAUSE IF YOU COME, IF YOU, IF YOU HOLD, IT'S GOING TO COLLECT THEM, CORRECT.

COME ON IN NOW.

SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY I DO.

I DO, UH, APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE ON SLIDE 13.

UM, I LIKE EXTENDING THE GRACE PERIOD FOR A YEAR AS WAS DISCUSSED, BUT I ALSO THINK IT SHOULD BE REGARDLESS OF PLAT STATUS.

UH, I DON'T THINK IF WE MAKE IT, IF WE MAKE IT LONGER THAN A YEAR, I THINK, UM, OPPORTUNITY COST IS JUST TOO GREAT.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO SAID, UH, EXEMPT AND TIA FINAL PLAT AGREEMENTS.

I, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE ALREADY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM, SO WITH THE TIA, THEN THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE EXEMPT, RIGHT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT TIME PERIOD THEY ARE WHEN THEY COME TO, TO, UH, PLATTING.

BUT, UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, FINAL AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

SO YEAH, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION AND THE STAFF, UH, HAVING TO IMPLEMENT THIS.

AND I'M NOT SAYING KEEP IT SIMPLE.

CAUSE NONE OF IT'S REALLY SIMPLE.

I KNOW THAT IT'S IT'S COMPLEX, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, THE MORE STANDARD NIGHTS WERE ALREADY SHORT-STAFFED WE ALREADY MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, IN OUR BUDGET RECOMMENDATION.

UH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO NOT ADD ALL THESE DIFFERENT LAYERS AND, YOU KNOW, COMPLICATIONS TO IT FOR THEM.

AND JUST A REMINDER, WHEN, IF YOU, IF YOU RECOMMENDED ONE YEAR, IF YOU HAVE A FINAL PLAT BEFORE THIS GOES EFFECTIVE, THAT'S THE STATE LAW ANYWAYS, IT'S REALLY FOR THAT PIECE OF PEOPLE THAT COULD COME IN AND PLAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO JUST MAKE IT CLEANER ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THAT'S WHAT THAT HELPS WITH.

UM, SO YOU CAN'T MAKE

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IT ANY SHORTER FOR PEOPLE WITH FINAL PLATS BEFORE THERE'S THAT? OKAY.

IS THERE ONLY GENERAL AGREEMENT AROUND THAT SOUNDS LIKE, SO WE'LL GET TO THE ACTION AT THE END AND I CAN FILL OUT, I'VE GOT A SLIDE FOR THAT.

UM, SO COLLECTION RATES, UH, WHAT'S UH, COMMISSIONER LANTRIP WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, SO LAST TIME IT WAS A UNANIMOUS, UH, TO DO PERCENTAGES AND VARY BY LANE USE, UM, WHICH WAS RESIDENTIAL BEING AT 50% AND, UH, 25% FOR NON RESIDENTIAL.

THERE WAS, UM, A DESIRE TO LOOK AT, UH, SPLITTING COMMERCIAL UP INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND DOING DIFFERENT RATES FOR THAT.

LET ME GO THROUGH, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE COLLECTION RATES.

WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.

UM, AFTER I SHOW YOU KIND OF HOW THIS SHAKES OUT, UM, SO JUST KIND OF BRASS TACKS, THIS WILL BE A LITTLE HANDY TEMPLATE, A TABLE FOR YOU TO SEE.

UH, THESE ARE SOME KIND OF BASIC RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LAND USE TYPES, AND THIS CONVERTS IT INTO A COST PER LOT DWELLING IN IT.

AND THEN I TRIED TO MAKE IT CLEAN.

A LOT OF FOLKS KNOW COST PER SQUARE FOOT IN THE COMMERCIAL WORLD.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT IS BASED ON, UH, KIND OF HOW MANY SQUARE FEET EACH BUILDING WOULD BE.

UH, AS YOU ALL MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HIGHEST END OF THAT'S GOING TO BE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY GENERALLY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

UH, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S, IT'S HARDER THAN THE OTHER ONES.

UM, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THOSE, HOW THOSE VARY ACROSS THOSE DIFFERENT, UH, USES.

UM, AND REALLY THIS IS JUST, UM, APPLYING THOSE PERCENTAGES OF 50% FOR RESIDENTIAL AND TWENTY-FIVE FOR COMMERCIAL TO THE MAXIMUM.

SO THE STUDY GIVES YOU THESE RANGES.

SO THESE ARE SOME SAMPLE DEVELOPMENTS.

APOLOGIES.

IF YOU HAVE TO SQUINT, I'LL TRY TO BE READING READING CLEARLY.

UM, SO GOT, FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOPMENTS I WALK THROUGH AND QUICKLY HERE, THE FIRST ONE IS A 124 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SO KIND OF A MEDIUM SIZED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

UM, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ROADWAY, ADEQUACY FEES, AND THE ORDINANCE HERE, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PAID.

UM, THEY WERE ABOUT $500 PER LOT IS WHAT THEY PAID, UH, AND THE ACTUAL SYSTEM.

UH, THEY WERE IN SERVICE AREA A, WHICH IS OF COURSE THE HIGHEST OF THE FIVE SERVICE AREAS.

THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE PAID ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 TIMES THAT, UH, UNDER THIS PROPOSAL FOR 50%, JUST, JUST BRASS TACKS, UM, WHICH WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE 4 4400 BUCKS A LOT, WHICH WAS AT THE HIGH END, UM, COMPARATIVELY WITH OTHER CITIES IT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF FROM WHAT THEY ARE.

UM, ROUND ROCK IS GOING TO BE GOING UP TO HIGHER RATES IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS HERE.

UH, THAT'LL BE FAR IN EXCESS OF THAT.

UH, IN GEORGETOWN IT'S, IT'S COMPARABLE, UH, WITH, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE HIGHER END ON THEIRS AS WELL, WHICH THIS WOULD BE YOUR HIGH END AS WELL, JUST FOR REFERENCE POINT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN AUSTIN.

UH, AND THEN DEFINITELY LOWER THE PFLUGERVILLE, UH, THEIR ENTIRE CITY THAT'S LARGER THAN THE WHOLE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU LAND FOR THAT, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, NOT THE COMPARISON WITH OTHER CITIES IS THE SAME BECAUSE THIS IS ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU FALL, BUT IN TERMS OF MAGNITUDE, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD ABOUT 500 HOMES.

UH, THEY PAID ABOUT 1200 A LOT, ROUGHLY WHEN YOU DO THE MATH THERE FOR THAT.

UH, AND, UH, THIS ISN'T A DIFFERENT SERVICE AREA, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF, HALF THE FEE, UH, AS, AS, AS A AND D.

UM, SO THEY WOULD BE PAYING CLOSER TO, UH, BELOW 2000 RANGE.

UM, SO IN THAT CASE, I MISSPOKE A MINUTE AGO, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOWER THAN PRETTY MUCH EVERY CITY AROUND OR IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RANGE FOR, OR LOWER TO THE RANGE FOR AUSTIN AND IN GEORGETOWN, UH, IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT LANDS FOR, FOR D UM, UM, SO, UH, AND BE AS COMPARABLE TO D BY THE WAY.

SO B AND D WOULD BE ABOUT THE LIMIT RANGE OF OTHER PLACES FOR THE MIXED COMMERCIAL.

UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, I'M NOT USING ANY NAMES OF DEVELOPMENTS INTENTIONALLY JUST TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT CLEAR, BUT THIS IS A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL THAT HAD SOME FAST FOOD PAD SITES, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION, AUTO CARE FACILITY, UH, ABOUT 30 SQUARE FOOT OR A STRIP CENTER THAT KIND OF HAD MIXED RETAIL AND OFFICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE STILL STILL BEING BUILT OUT.

IT'S NOT DONE YET.

UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING FOR THAT SITE.

UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY PAID, UH, IN THE LOW 200,000 RANGE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S PURE GAIN THAN WHAT YOU DON'T GET TODAY.

SO THAT, THAT DOES HAPPEN.

THIS IS NOT AN ANOMALY, THERE ARE SITES AND BLENDER THAT DOESN'T PAY ANYTHING TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION.

UM, AND THEN THIS ONE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETIMES WITH SMALLER SITES, THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON.

UM, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING.

UH, THEY PAID 20,000, BUT UNDER THIS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PAY LESS, ALMOST A THIRD.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S MORE COMMON ON, ON SMALLER COMMERCIAL.

UM, ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S KIND OF SURPRISING IS, UM, UH, GAS STATIONS OR PLACES THAT HAVE A LOT OF TRIPS THAT YOU TAKE ON THE WAY HOME FROM WORK.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING HOME.

SO YOU'RE GETTING, THAT'S WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GETTING COLLECTED AND THE GAS STATIONS JUST TO STOP OVER POINTS.

SO IT'S NOT GENERATING A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON ITS OWN.

SO THAT'S A COMMON ONE WE SEE THAT'LL ACTUALLY PAY LESS SOMETIMES.

THAT WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO PHRASE IT, UM, THAN WHAT WE COULD.

SO OUR, THE COST IN THE, IN THE SECOND COLUMN IS THAT UTILIZING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MAX RATE AS DISCUSSED, OR IS THAT USING THE 50 AND 50? SHE IS 45.

YEP.

THAT'S EASY.

1525.

SO I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT, THIS IS WHAT NO.

AND, AND I, AND I LIKED THAT AND KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN UNDER COLLECTING ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE ANYWAY, AS WELL, NOT NECESSARILY UNDER COLLECTING, BUT COLLECTING LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD UNDER THIS PROGRAM.

CORRECT.

[01:20:01]

I STILL GO BACK TO THE, WANTING TO INCENTIVIZE COMMERCIAL SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO I WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO GO DOWN TO LIKE A 10% FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEN A 20%, AND THEN NOT FIND LIKE MAYBE A FIFTH YEAR GO UP TO THE 25, RIGHT.

TO WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND THAT AGAIN, INCENTIVIZE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY ON DEVELOPED LAND, PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAXES THAN WE ARE ON THESE, UM, THESE, UH, RATES THAT WE HAVE HERE.

AND I'LL JUST NOTE, I SHOULD, SHOULD'VE SAID THE COMPARISONS WITH OTHER CITIES, YOU ACTUALLY ARE LOWER ON COMMERCIAL.

UM, IN FACT, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT FOR BOTH OF THESE, YOU'RE ANYWHERE FROM A THIRD TO A HALF OF YOUR SISTER CITIES AROUND YOU, SO JUST POINTING THAT OUT IN TERMS OF SOMEONE'S EVALUATING SITES IN DIFFERENT CITIES FOR THIS PARTICULAR FEE, IT'S ALREADY ABOUT A THIRD TO HALF AT OTHER SITES.

OH.

AND, AND YEAH.

I MEAN, I, I SEE THAT DEFINITELY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I'D STILL WANT IT TO BE EVEN LOWER.

I WANT IT TO BE A NO BRAINER.

I WANT TO GO TO LEANDER.

I WANT TO BUILD IN LEANDER.

AND CAUSE ALL OUR COMPETING CITIES ALSO TYPICALLY HAVE INCENTIVES WITH THE, UM, CORPORATIONS SET UP BY THE STATE OF TEXAS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GET ALL THESE FEES.

SO IT MAY END UP BEING A WASH.

BUT RIGHT NOW I, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PAPER THEY'RE BUILDING AND CEDAR PARK, THEY'RE BUILDING AND ROUND ROCK, THEY'RE BUILDING IN GEORGETOWN, THEY'RE BUILDING IN LIBERTY HILL AND, UM, NOT SO MUCH IN LEANDER.

AND UM, WE WANT TO RAISE THE BAR TO GET THAT COMMERCIAL ENTITY INTO LEANDRA.

LET ME WALK THROUGH LIKE TWO OR THREE MORE SLIDES AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A OPEN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT COLLECTION RATE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT I THINK I SHOWED A WHILE AGO, BUT THIS IS THE ACTUAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE 50 AND 25 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

UH, AND THEN WITH THE STICKING WITH THE ONE YEAR GRACE PERIOD.

SO, UM, WHAT'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN, THAT WOULD COME IN IS VALUED AROUND 65 MILLION.

UH, THE TOTAL NEED, AS YOU CAN SEE IS 392.

UH, AND SO I THINK IF I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT, WHAT THAT PROPOSAL REALLY REPRESENTS IS ABOUT ONE SIX OF YOUR NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD COME FROM THIS PROGRAM.

AND FIVE, SIX HAVE THAT'S COME FROM OTHER PLACES, WHETHER THAT'S FROM TAXPAYERS OR BONDS OR GRANT FUNDS OR THE REVENUE PROGRAMS. SO, AND I WILL SAY THIS TOO.

ONE THING THAT IS HELPFUL TO KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPTION OF NOT BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAFFIC'S JUST GETS WORSE.

THAT, THAT IS WHAT TO SAY THAT SOMEHOW SOME WAY $392 MILLION IS GOING TO COME UP IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND THEY ENDURE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, BUT JUST MAYBE THAT THE PROJECTS DON'T GET BUILT, WHICH IS OKAY.

UM, AND THEN IN GENERALLY SPEAKING IN WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS, A LOT OF TIMES, UM, PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THOSE.

SO THEY USUALLY GET FUNDED A DIFFERENT WAY.

UM, BUT WITH TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S, IT'S PART OF THE REALITY OF THE BUSINESS HERE.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THAT REPRESENTS THOUGH.

IT'S ABOUT A SIXTH OF THE SIXTH OF THE NEED FROM THIS, UH, AND WITH THAT WE CAN TALK THROUGH, UH, BUT I ALSO THINK SO, I'M SORRY.

I, I, I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS FROM THE IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO BE X VERSUS Y, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING IT SEEM LIKE THAT ONCE WE COLLECT THAT FEE, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM THAT PROPERTY.

BUT LIKE I SAID, ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED PROPERTY TAX GOES UP, SO THAT THAT'S INCREASED, THAT'S THE BLUE PART.

AND THEN ONCE, ONCE, UH, ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, ESPECIALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THEN WE HAVE SALES TAX REVENUE COMING IN AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE.

SO THERE'S NO WAY TO TRULY ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE MAY ADD ON TO A PROPERTY, WHICH MAY PUSH THEM TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT'S WHY I GO BACK TO CHURN, INCENTIVIZING THEM TO BUILD SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, THAT WAY WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, INCOME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THE EVENTUAL NUMBER BEING 25.

AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GRADUAL PHASING FROM, I THINK YOU SAID 10.

I THINK, I THINK 10 IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.

I MEAN, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR FREE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING SOME, IT'S STILL WAY LOWER THAN IT.

I MEAN, EVEN AT 25, AS HE SAID, WE'RE STILL SUPER COMPETITIVE, BUT IT IS AN EVEN GREATER INCENTIVE TO COME IN EVEN SOONER.

AND OTHERS CAN TAKE AN UNGODLY AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE.

HOW MANY YEARS FOR IT TO GO UP TO THE 25 5? SO, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING.

SO I'LL JUST SAY IF IT IS FIVE YEARS, THE STUDY IS REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS ANYWAYS.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME AT THE FIVE-YEAR MARK.

UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PHASE IT, IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN FIVE IN THE ORDINANCE.

OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE CAUSE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO COME BACK AT FIVE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

HMM.

WHAT PRESSURE WOULD THAT PUT ON CITY STAFF TO CHANGE THE PERCENTAGES? IS THAT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW SOME UPGRADES ARE EASY, JUST PUNCH A COUPLE OF NUMBERS IN A COMPUTER

[01:25:01]

I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A MAJOR ISSUE.

IT'S MORE OF A MATTER OF IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TIMING AND CHANGING THE RATE AS TIME GOES ON IS MAKING SURE WE HIT THE RIGHT DATE AND CHANGE IT APPROPRIATELY.

I WOULD HATE TO CHARGE YEARS, ZERO DATE OR AMOUNT FOR FOUR YEARS, NOT REALIZING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPPING IT FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.

SO THAT'S MORE OF MY CONCERN.

THE RATE ITSELF SHOULDN'T BE DIFFICULT TO HANDLE, BUT, AND, AND INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSAL TO MOVE IT UP TO 25, SINCE WE HAVE TO RECONVENE THIS STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS, MAYBE IT'S SO GOING BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ROSS'S POINT THERE, UH, WE GET A ONE YEAR GRACE PERIOD, RIGHT? AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE 10% FROM THAT PERIOD UP UNTIL LIKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATER.

SO WE STARTED ON THE FIRST OF THE YEAR VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SOME WEIRD DATE THAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE THAT'S EASILY MANAGEABLE ON, YOU KNOW, 1, 1 20, 25.

WE, IT GOES UP TO 20% AND THEN THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE REVIEW, THEN WE CAN SEE, HOW IS THIS WORKING? WE HAVE THE DATA TO BACK IT UP.

DO WE NEED TO INCREASE IT TO THE 25 IS 20 GOOD.

DO WE NEED TO GO BACK DOWN? UM, I'M CLOSE TO THAT.

SO, SO ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY TO ADAM, A LITTLE COMFORT IS AT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES, EXCUSE ME, UM, THIS, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BE CONVENING EVERY SIX MONTHS TO REVIEW IF SOMETHING'S NEEDED TO BE CHANGED.

SO WHILE THE STUDY ITSELF HAS TO BE DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS, Y'ALL WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A KIND OF SEMIANNUAL REPORT.

IF IT PASSES TO TALK ABOUT HERE'S HOW THE REVENUES ARE COMING IN, DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS SOMETHINGS TO CHANGE TO COUNCIL? SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT REGARDLESS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND GIVE YOU THAT COMFORT.

UM, GENERALLY JUST HAVING SEEN THESE PROGRAMS IMPLEMENTED MY GENERAL ADVICE IS TO SET SOMETHING, SEE HOW IT'S GOING.

AND THEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS, THEN MAKE THE REDNECK, AND THEN YOU CAN ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.

YOU KNOW, THAT THE ORDINANCE CAN CHANGE AT ANY TIME, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T EXCEED THE MAXIMUM FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

SO YOU COULD EASILY PLAY WITH THAT PERCENTAGE ON COMMERCIAL THAN ANY TIME OR SPLITTING IT TO, WE WANT MORE OFFICE AND WE WANT MORE INDUSTRIAL AND CHANGE THAT.

SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

SO IF WE, IF WE DECIDE TONIGHT THAT WE SET IT AT 10 AND 50% WITH A YEAR GRACE PERIOD, AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE COULD ADJUST THAT IF NEED BE TO, UM, 25%, IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF, UH, CITY COUNCIL AT THAT POINT PERIOD, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE SAYING 10% NOW, DO WE HAVE TO, YEAH.

IF WE'RE, IF WE GO A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE START COLLECTING, SO IT ACTUALLY BE WHAT 18 MONTHS OUT.

AND IT'S NOT WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE IN.

WE'RE NOT SEEING THE GROWTH WE WANT TO BE AT 10%.

UH, WE, WE CAN ADJUST IT AT THAT POINT TO I'M MAKING UP NUMBERS 25% TO MEET, MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AT THAT POINT, CORRECT? YES.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THE CHANCELLOR WILL HAVE TO APPROVE ANY CHANGE, BUT SO, YEAH, BUT GOING BACK TO, TO ROSS'S POINT ABOUT THE VARIABILITY AND THE FLUX THAT THAT WILL CAUSE ON STAFF, CAN WE SET IN OUR OWN ORDINANCE LIMITING US FROM JUST CHANGING IT, WILLY NILLY, YOU KNOW, EVERY SIX MONTHS, CAN WE SAY THAT ONLY A CHANGE CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE FIRST OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WAY WE DON'T, EVERY SIX MONTHS WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT, WHICH IS MAKING STAFF HAVE TO GO BACK AND READJUST IT.

YOU CAN LEAVE THAT IN YOUR COMMENTS TO COUNSEL THAT YOU'D LIKE THAT.

BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE A RESTRICTED MECHANISM LIKE THAT PUT INTO AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOWED TO BE CHANGEABLE AT ANY TIME.

I TRIED ROSS.

SO WOULD YOU BE GOOD FOR 10%, FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE GRACE PERIOD GOING TO 15% FOR THE REST WAS AT WORK? YEAH.

WE NEED A MOTION IS 15 AFTER 50, 10 TO 50.

AFTER TWO, I TRIED TO RIDE OUT THE MOTION.

I CAN COPY IT ALL INTO ONE SPOT IF YOU WANT.

UH, BUT YEAH, I HAD TO PULL IT OUT.

SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN COPY THIS OVER.

IT'S TRYING TO MAKE THINGS EASY FOR EVERYBODY.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH,

[01:30:01]

NO, OF COURSE.

IT'S NOT GONNA PLAY BALL.

HOLD ON.

YEP.

CHANGE THE FONT SIZE.

IS THAT LEGIBLE? I CAN'T TELL.

I FEEL LIKE I KNOW LET'S DO THIS HERE.

THERE WE GO.

NOW WE'RE COOKING WITH GASOLINE ON THE FLY.

SO DO WE HAVE TO READ ALL OF THAT, THAT WAY? IT'S ON THE RECORD INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE BOARD, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY, YOU CAN SAY JUST, THIS IS REALLY CLEAN.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO QUESTION.

I MOVE THAT WE DO THIS ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS OLD LINE.

I'LL SECOND IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL IS 50%.

NON RESIDENTIAL IS 10 FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND 15% THEREAFTER WITH THE RECOMMENDED, UH, EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE.

ONE YEAR AFTER ORDINANCE ADOPTION, EXEMPTING, ALL PROPERTIES WITH THE FINAL PLAT APPROVED TIA OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT ADOPTION.

DATE OF ORDINANCE FOR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES.