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TAKE A SEAT, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE
[City Council Retreat]
GOOD MORNING.TODAY IS SATURDAY, JULY 20TH, 2022.
AND THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF COUNCIL RETREAT.
CAN YOU PLEASE CALL COUNCIL MEMBER OF KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER, COUNCIL MEMBER
CHRISTINE DULLA HERE AT QUORUM IS PRESENT.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CITY MANAGER, UPDATES, CITY MANAGER, BEVERLY THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
AND GOING FROM THE BULLET POINTS, UH, THE HERE'S THE FIRST THING WOULD BE KIND OF GOING OVER THE, UH, CITY HALL AND THE FACILITIES DISCUSSION WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO NEXT.
SO WE DID, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL THINGS.
WE, UH, WITH, UH, THE FOLKS THAT DID THE FACILITIES PLAN WITH LEGAL, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE ISSUES SUCH AS, UH, COULD YOU EAST PURCHASE TYPE OF THING.
COULD YOU DO A THREE P PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, UH, OR WOULD YOU NEED TO GO TO THE BUSH? SO AFTER, AFTER THE LAST FACILITY STUDY AND THE AMOUNT WE SPENT, TWO ITEMS ONE, AND THIS THE RFQ IS UNLESS ROBERT CORRECTS ME LOOKING LIKE AUGUST 14TH, ROUGHLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WHAT WE DID AND LEGAL ALSO SAID WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE LAST PROCUREMENT, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS ON THE STREET.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS THE SCOPE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVERED EVERYTHING.
SO WE'VE MET WITH, WE'VE MET WITH A VARIETY OF FOLKS, UH, INCLUDING TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE HOTEL MOTEL TAX, UH, LEGISLATION WE HAVE, AND ALSO THE OTHER PIECE OF IT.
AND THIS IS SEPARATE, BUT I DO THINK IT WILL COME INTO PLAY IS ALSO WORKING WITH ALEX AND NORTHLINE ON THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
SO ALL OF THESE FUNDING, POTS AND PIECES THAT COULD PAY FOR DIFFERENT DIFFERENT ITEMS. AND THEN I GUESS THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE RUNNING IN TANDEM WOULD ALSO BE THE, UH, THE SOLICITATION REGARDING BOTH THE 180 3 AND THE OLD TOWN AND, UM, NORTH LINE PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT ACCESS ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.
SO ANY OF YOUR SIDEWALKS STREET TREES, ADA RAMPS, ANYTHING TO PROVIDE ACCESS BETWEEN HERE AND THERE, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING.
SO WE'VE GOT KIND OF A DOUBLE TRACK ON THAT FILLING AT THE SAME TIME, NOT TO PICK A TRAIN REFERENCE.
SO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CITY HALL SCOPE OF SERVICES, THE RFQ.
SO WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND WE'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING FROM ALL OF OUR PRIOR DISCUSSIONS AND ALSO THE FACILITIES PLAN.
WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYTHING OUT.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUILD OUT.
IF WE WERE BUILT OUT AT TWO 50, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROCESS THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE NOT MAKE TWO OR THREE CUTS AT THIS.
WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER A PROCESS THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE, AND MOST OF OUR ESTIMATION, EVEN IF WE COULD DO SOME TYPE OF THREE P UM, WE LIKELY WOULD NEED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND REALLY GET THEIR INPUT AND POSSIBLY GO OUT TO THE VOTERS.
SO WE TRY TO BASICALLY BUILD A PACKAGE THAT WE COULD TAKE TO THE VOTERS, UH, FOR A BOND PACKAGE.
AND I REALIZED THIS MAY NOT BE THE OPTIMUM TIME FOR A BOND PACKAGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT AT THE ECONOMY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WHERE, AND I'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF OUR INTERIM THINGS WE'RE DOING AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH THAT, THERE WOULD BE FOUR FLOOR PLANS.
UH, ONE SCENARIO WOULD BE THE MIXED USE WITHIN NORTH LINE.
A, ANOTHER SCENARIO WOULD BE FOR THE GREENFIELD SITE.
THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, REALLY, SO IT'S FOUR TO SEVEN ACRES.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT.
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EACH SCENARIO IS ALSO GONNA INCLUDE A, UH, BOTH A UTILITARIAN OPTION AND A CLASS A SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE OF CITY HALLS, YOU HAVE MORE YOUR CLASS, A TYPE THINGS LIKE SUGARLAND, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHERS KIND OF LIKE A HUDDLE WHERE THE FRONT FACE IS KIND OF CLASS A AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC AREAS, BUT THEN YOU GET BACK IN IT.AND THEN IT'S BASICALLY MORE UTILITARIAN.
UM, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL, OTHERS ARE KIND OF A HYBRID, OBVIOUSLY IN THIS CONSTRUCTION MARKET AND YOUR COST PER FOOT ON COMMERCIAL IS ROBYN.
YOU PROBABLY, YOU PROBABLY GET, AND SO TO STAND SOME ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT GETTING ANY CHEAPER AT THE MOMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH SUPPLY CHAIN AND LABOR.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY FACTOR THAT IN, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE GOOD ESTIMATES, UM, WITH THAT.
SO YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE KIND OF TWO OPTIONS FOR EACH HOW THEY'LL LAY IT OUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, I GUESS YOUR, YOUR HIGH END ONE AND THEN YOUR BASIC ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE FOUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS AS WELL TO GO WITH THAT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO FOR THE NORTH LINE OPTION AND TWO FOR YOUR GREENFIELD, BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE AND WITH NORTH LINE, THEY'LL HAVE TO ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, UH ALEX'S AND NORTHLINE'S TECH ALL THEIR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
CAUSE THEY HAVE PLA DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ON TOP OF THAT.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU LIKE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE ONE OF THE EYE DOCTORS, WHO'S BETTER, ONE BETTER TWO, THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH STUFF THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE SO THEY CAN COST IT BECAUSE THAT'S A FACTOR.
UH, THE OTHER THING I'D THROW IN THERE IS THAT THEY'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT, UM, SAMPLE INTERIOR SPACES.
SO YOU'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR YOUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS, YOUR FRONT LOBBY, ALL THOSE MAJOR, UH, PUBLIC FACING AREAS.
THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT THERE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE PARKING OPTION, UH, FOR THE LEAD FOR THE NORTH LINE SIDE, SO THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT STRUCTURED PARKING.
WHEREAS THE GREENFIELD IS GOING TO LOOK AT SURFACE PARKING.
SO EVEN, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AN APPLES TO APPLES, THERE COULD BE SOME APPLES TO ORANGES IN TERMS OF, UH, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE STRUCTURES IN THERE AND THEIR COSTS.
AND SO THAT COULD ALSO BE A POTENTIAL TIPPING POINT IN A DECISION FOR Y'ALL AND FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE HOTEL MOTO LEGISLATION, THE REASON THIS, WE DON'T WANT TO REALLY DO THIS KIND OF IN A, IN A VACUUM.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY, UM, WHERE THEY COULD ALSO PLACE A FOOTPRINT OF A HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER TO PROXIMITY TO CITY HALL.
UH, ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE HAVE THE LEGISLATION, SO THAT'S THE STATE HOTEL MOTEL TAX.
YOU ALSO HAVE SOME POTENTIAL FOR SOME COMMON AREAS THAT COULD BE USED, UH, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME MEETING SPACE THAT THE CITY COULD BENEFIT FROM AND THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER COULD BENEFIT FROM, AND ALSO SOME COMMON OUTDOOR SPACE.
AND SO THERE ARE GOING TO, UM, LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL SITE SELECTION, LAND, AS WELL AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE OTHER FOUR OPTIONS OR OTHER REALLY TWO SITES THAT MENTIONED THE PARKING PIECE.
AND THEN I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS CRITICAL.
WE'VE ASKED THEM FOR A PRESENTATION PACKAGE WITH CONCEPTUAL IMAGES AND OPINION OF PROBABLE COST UPDATED OF THE SELECTED OPTION.
THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER Y'ALL WOULD DECIDE ON AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR THEM TO, UH, REFINE THE MOST, UH, FOR, FOR BOND ELECTION.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WOULD GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS PART OF THIS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST DEVELOPING FACILITY PLANS GOING AND GETTING THE INPUT OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO REALLY GET THEIR FEEDBACK AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN IS THE REASON FOR THAT, BECAUSE IF WE HAD TO GO OUT FOR A BOND PACKAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE IT JUST, WASN'T A WHOLE BUNCH OF CURRENT STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE A TOP TOP-DOWN THING WHERE THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT THEIR INVOLVEMENT THROUGHOUT.
AND SO IF, IF YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR CITY HALL, LET'S, LET'S USE
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THAT 80 OR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR ITEM, AND IT'S HELPFUL FOR THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO PROBABLY A MESS AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE OF IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE IT'S LIKE ASKING, LIKE IF YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS PARKS PLAN AND LET'S GET THE CITY INVOLVEMENT.CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE PARK ALL THE TIME, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO USE THE CITY HALL? THEY USE THE SPACE AND FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NEVER PARTICIPATED IN THIS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE REASON FOR IT.
UM, AND IT MAKES SENSE IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO BOND PACKAGE, YOU WANT TO BUY IN, RIGHT? SO MAYBE IT'S A VERY SELECTIVE GROUP WHERE LIKE, IT'S A, IT'S LIKE PEOPLE THAT WOULD, THAT HAVE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE OR HAVE MAYBE CITIZENS THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN IN A COUNCIL SEAT AND WORKED IN, WORKED IN MUNICIPAL SPOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAVE SOME CONTEXT OR SOME, SOME GOOD FEEDBACK THERE RATHER THAN JUST THROWING OUT CRAZY IDEAS, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY.
BUT, UM, THAT WOULD SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT THAT WERE WELL, WHAT THE, WHAT THEY'LL DO.
I DON'T WANT TO USE THE TERM CHARRETTE, BUT THEY WOULD LIKELY COME OUT WITH, OKAY, THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THESE ARE THE RANGE OF OPTIONS.
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THIS OR THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS LOCATION OR THAT LOCATION, BUT THIS KIND OF BUILDING FACADE, BUT WOULD YOU PREFER IT IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT VERSUS A SUBURBAN? AND THEN BY THE TIME WE BRING IT BACK TO Y'ALL ON COSTS, WHEN THEY REFINE IT, YOU'LL HAVE THAT INPUT, PLUS THE COSTS, PLUS THE COMMUNITY INPUT TO HELP MAKE A DECISION IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON A, ON FOR A BOX.
SO IT'S LIKE A CAN CONTROL QUESTIONS TO GET PREFERENCE RATHER THAN OPEN SLATE SAYING IF YOU COULD HAVE ANYTHING, WHAT WOULD YOU DO THAT? YEAH.
IT'S IT'S, IT'S NOT TO JUST GO AND SAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE NO CITY HALL 30 YEARS FROM NOW? OR WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR SEASONS? OKAY.
SO THAT IT WILL BE CONTROLLED LIKE THAT.
SO THE OTHER PIECE, THE PART OF THIS TOO, UH, DEPENDING ON WHO PROPOSES, WE SUSPECT THAT WE MAY GET POSSIBLY MORE THAN ONE THAT HAS EXPERIENCE AND, AND MULTIPLE TYPE OF, UH, FACILITY DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING THE ONES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A THREE P ON A HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER.
NOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
UM, YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT COST POINTS.
THERE IS A, AN INTENT TO MAKE MONEY WITH THAT.
AT LEAST IF THERE IS A, UH, PUBLIC, UH, PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNER, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER POTENTIAL STREAM OF BOND REVENUE THAT CAN COME FROM THAT PROFORMA, WHICH OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES THE STATE HOTEL MOTEL TAX.
AND WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THIS, THIS WILL GET INTO THE NUANCES OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUR AVERAGE DAILY RATE SHOULD FALL, GIVE THEM THE OVERALL HOTEL MARKET AND CONVENTION MARKET, OUR PROXIMITY TO AUSTIN, THE SIZE OF THE CONVENTIONS THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTED.
THAT'LL TELL YOU WHAT TYPE OF RANGE OF HOTEL FLAG, UM, YOU'LL HEAR TERMS LIKE THE PER KEY.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS IT 250, 300,000 PER ROOM EFFECTIVELY TO BUILD? AND THEN HOW MUCH OF THAT CAN BE BASICALLY SUBSIDIZED OFF OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES? I MEAN, EVERYTHING FROM NAMING RIGHTS TO, SO WE SUSPECT WE MAY GET, WE MAY GET A KIND OF HYBRID SUBMITTALS.
WE MAY GET ONE FROM YOUR TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE FIRMS AND WE MAY, AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME, SOMEONE LIKE A SUB THAT SPECIALIZES IN THAT, BUT BIG PICTURE AND DAN AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, ROBERT, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL, ROBIN AND ARE, ARE LOOKING AT IT.
IF YOU TAKE SUGAR LAND, IF YOU TAKE SEVERAL OTHER COMMUNITIES, THOSE IN DFW, OFTENTIMES IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD YOUR NEW TOWN CITY HALL, YOU'LL ALSO TRY TO DO YOUR HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER IN PROXIMITY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE IT HASN'T WORKED AS WELL WHEN YOU WENT AND DID IT.
AND IT WASN'T SURROUNDED BY, UH, THE DENSITY.
SO I'M THINKING OF THE ONE MAYBE IN, UH, SAN MARCUS, THAT'S KIND OF JUST, THERE STILL DOESN'T HAVE A LOT AROUND IT.
AND SO WHEN THEY BUILT THAT, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GENERATOR REGARDLESS, BUT WHEN THEY BUILT IT, THEY WERE EXPECTING A LOT OF ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT AT THAT TIME.
AND BY THE TIME THEY GET IT, IT'LL BE RATHER AGED AND PROBABLY READY FOR.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THE FACTORS THAT, THAT THEY'D LOOK AT IS THE MARKET VIABILITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NOVAK BROTHERS, OF COURSE, THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, TOWNHOMES AT NORTHLINE.
THEY WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT HOTEL,
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UH, DEVELOPMENT IN YORKTOWN AND THAT CONFERENCE CENTER.SO, AND THEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF HOTELS TO OUR SOUTH IN CEDAR PARK, BUT ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO COMPETE WITH YOU OR ARE YOU NOT GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH THEM DIRECTLY, ALL OF THOSE, THOSE ISSUES, AND THEN YOUR MEETING SPACE SIZE, AND THERE IS A SWEET SPOT IN THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT TOO SMALL THAT YOU CAN'T HOST THINGS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT TOO BIG WHERE BASICALLY THE HOTEL CAN'T SUPPORT THE SIZE OF THE CONFERENCES, SO, OR THE, AND THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
SO THAT'S, UH, ON, ON THAT ONE, UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ALSO ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT BURNER, UM, WITH, UH, WITH DAN'S PRESENTATION, WITH MARKS, UH, THE ONLY OTHER ONE I'LL ADD IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
WE WOULDN'T BE PROBABLY, AND I THOUGHT PEDRO'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HERE TODAY WOULD BE COMING BACK, UH, AT SOME POINT SOON, PROBABLY HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH ALEX AND STANDING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER VEHICLE MOVING FORWARD.
SO WHEN WE GOT THAT LEGISLATION, IF YOU LOOK AT LET'S TAKE UPTOWN HOUSTON GALLERIA AREA, THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR ENTITIES OVERLAYING THAT DISTRICT.
IT'S IT BASICALLY GENERATES WEALTH FOR OTHER PARTS OF HOUSTON, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE FUNDING FOR A LOT OF MEMORIAL PARK, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEM ANNEX THAT AND IN THEIR CASE, THEY HAVE A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, A PLA, AND A MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
AND WHAT THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT GIVES YOU WHERE THE TURKISH HELPS FINANCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
AND IT'S EASIER TO CREATE IT WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE NORTHLINE WHERE YOU HAVE ONE OWNER TO START WITH, BUT AS THINGS DEVELOP, THEY WILL BE ASSESSING THEMSELVES, NOT AS THIS, WON'T BE AN ADDITIONAL TAX ON CITIZENS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU CAN EVEN BUILD IT, YOU CAN EVEN DO, UH, SOME OF THE STRUCTURED PARKING AND BASICALLY CREATE PARKING DISTRICT TYPE AMENITIES, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT, GRAFFITI ABATEMENT HIRING OF YOUR, UH, OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS, UM, CAN BE FUNDED OVER THERE.
SO MOST OF THOSE SPECIAL DISTRICTS AND, YOU KNOW, DALLAS OR HOUSTON, THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO.
THEY WILL, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE WHITE GLOVE SERVICE IN TERMS OF UPKEEP, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, IN TERMS OF SECURITY THAT WAY.
AND IT ACTUALLY FALLS ON THE, I MEAN, YOU MAY HAVE A TIFFANY'S OR HERMES, A, A, AN OMEGA STORE, A PERRY'S RESTAURANT, ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, VERY NICE, BUT THIS CAN ALSO HELP PAY FOR THAT UPKEEP IF IN A DOMAIN LIKE ENVIRONMENT.
SO WE WILL ALSO BE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF, OF NORTH LINE.
UM, HOW DOES THAT DETER LIKE FOR THEM? HOW DOES THAT DETER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO LAND LIKE THE, LIKE THE, SAY A PERRY'S THAT HE JUST SAID THEY SHOULDN'T DETER THEM.
ACTUALLY, CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE GETTING SO IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY, WELL, WHAT'S, YOU'RE GETTING IS KIND OF A CERTAINTY THAT THAT AREA OVER TIME IS GOING TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION.
AND NOW MAYBE HOUSTON IS NOT THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT IT, IT PROBABLY IS A GOOD ONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT HAVE THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ALSO OVERLAYING THE TURKEYS, AND THEN YOU GO LITERALLY STRAIGHT PAST THAT LINE, IT IS, IT IS LIKE A DIFFERENT WORLD, OFTENTIMES IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE, IN TERMS OF YOUR SIDEWALKS OR, OR MAINTAIN YOUR STREET LIGHTS, UH, YOUR, YOUR GRAFFITI ABATEMENT, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
SO WHAT THIS REALLY DOES IS HELP INSURERS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE POA, THAT, THAT ALL THE TOOLS ARE THERE TO MAKE SURE THE NORTH LINE IS NICE LONG-TERM.
AND, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ONCE WE, WE PROPOSED THIS, THAT, UH, ALEX DID WORK WITH, UH, HIS LOBBYING EFFORTS AS WELL WITH, WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO HELP GET THIS DONE BECAUSE WE PROPOSED IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS AN APPLICABLE TOOL FOR THE TYPE OF CENTER THAT NORTHLINE INTENDS TO DO.
SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PARP? SURE.
MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
WHEN WE GET TO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JUST A VERY BRIEF HISTORY, JUST BULLET POINTS OF WHERE, WHERE WE STARTED,
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MEANING WHERE THE FIRST CITY HALL WAS, UM, AND THE POPULATION, THE POPULATION AT THE TIME.AND I MEAN, EVEN INCLUDE, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, THE REMODEL OF THIS BUILDING AND HOW THAT HAPPENED.
SO HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE NEED SOMETHING MAJOR NOW, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RAPID GROWTH THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU'VE BEEN HERE TWO OR THREE YEARS AND LIKE, WHY DO YOU WANT TO, WHY DO YOU WANT THIS? WHAT ARE YOU? CAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO CITY HALL.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND HAVING THE COMMUNITY I'M GOING TO CALL IT BUY-IN TO UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL NEED.
THIS IS NOT JUST A FRIVOLOUS DESIRE TO HAVE A HOTEL, THE COUNSEL, THE PERSON MEETINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO SOUND LIKE.
YOU KNOW? UM, MY THOUGHTS ON IT, UM, IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME FINANCIAL STRUGGLES WITH FUNDING.
ANYTHING, WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE IS A MORE DEFINED LONG RANGE PLAN.
SO WE HAVE A GOOD START WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOWING HOW MUCH SPACE WE'RE GOING TO NEED, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE IF IT'S GOING TO BE GREENFIELD OR NORTHLINE BECAUSE NORTHLINE NEEDS TO KNOW FROM US.
AND IF IT'S GOING TO GREENFIELD, LIKE WE NEED TO BUY THAT LAND NOW.
UM, BUT I WANNA SEE LIKE INTERIM PLANS, IF WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY, OR WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET BONDS PASSED OR WHATEVER, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT UTILIZING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE? UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH CAMERON AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING ONLINE WITH, UM, SOME FLEX OFFICE OR SOMETHING AND JUST SORT OF GETTING A ROUGH OUTLINE OF HOW WE GET THROUGH THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING, I'VE GOT A, IT'S ACTUALLY GLAD I BROUGHT THAT UP.
SO I'VE APPROVED WITHIN MY SIGNATURE AUTHORITY, A, UH, PHASE ONE FOR THE EMS BUILDING.
AND SO WHAT W WHAT THE PLAN IS, AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU ON THIS COMPLETE, THIS IS, SO WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE INTERIM THING WHERE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING AT ONCE.
AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IF WE'RE ABLE TO, OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE HOUSE BACK THERE TOO.
SO ONCE EMS WOULD MOVE TO THE FIRE STATION, IT'S GONE.
SO I HAVEN'T HEARD THEM YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS ASSESS IF WE CAN BUILD THAT OUT WITH CUBICLES AS AN INTERIM AND POTENTIALLY MOVE THE INSPECTION DIVISION, WHICH IS ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE CUBES, THAT WAY, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUT TO THAT BUILDING, EVEN IF IT'S FOR TWO, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, AND THEN BUILD OUT CUBICLE SPACE AND HOW MANY FOLKS I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE BIGGER WORKSPACES, ALTHOUGH I WISH THERE WAS OTHER SORT OF WORK IN A WAY, UM, YOU'RE ENVISIONING HOW MANY PEOPLE MOVING OUT VERSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING OUT 15 AND THE ASSESSMENT IS TO SEE HOW WE CAN CHANGE THE SPACE.
CAUSE WE CAN USE IT REGARDLESS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING WALLS.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT STRUCTURAL IT'S NOT.
SO, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE MOVING ABOUT 15 PEOPLE AND THEN WE COULD GET 10, UM, LARGER CUBES HOPEFULLY IN THAT SPACE.
SO THAT WOULD HELP US FILL MY PLANNING MANAGER PHYSICIAN, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ONES THAT ARE IN THE REQUEST FOR THE BUDGET.
UH, CAMERON HAS, UH, BEEN LOOKING AT AT LEAST SPACE OPTIONS.
NOW THERE IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY OF IT AWAY WITH SOME OF THE NEW OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE, I WON'T SAY EMINENT, BUT POTENTIAL THAT'S.
THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS START LOOKING AT, COULD WE BE ONE OF THE EARLY TENANTS FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS UNTIL THE CITY HALL WAS BUILT? AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON IF IT'S BUILT ON SPEC VERSUS IF IT'S, IF IT'S GOT A DEFINED END-USER AND I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS ON BOTH SIDES.
I MEAN, I KNOW CAMERA'S NOT HERE, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THINGS IN PROCESS OR THAT ARE ABOUT TO GOD, WILLING TO ECONOMY, NOT TAKE IT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
BUT, UM, AND I JUST HEARD RECENTLY, UM, ABOUT, UH, I THINK ALSO HAS EVEN STARTED GRABBING PROPERTY EVEN FURTHER TO OUR NORTH AND I MEAN, NORTH OF LIBERTY HILL.
SO THERE SHOULD BE, UH, THERE SHOULD BE THE DEMAND THERE.
SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE EVEN LOOKING EVEN FURTHER NORTH THAN LIBERTY HILL AT THIS POINT.
SO ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO PLAY A KIND OF A WORKFORCE NEXUS BACK TO DOWNTOWN AND HAVING A REAL STATION THERE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT FROM DAY ONE AND THEN ON THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT MASTER PLAN
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AND THE OLD AND BOTH WHOLE TOWN AND, UM, NORTH LINE AND THEN 180 3, OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CAP METRO WERE REALLY LOOKING AT, AND THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER, UH, AS BECKY CAN ATTEST.MOST OF OUR CONTACTS AT CAP, METRO ARE NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE STILL THERE, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO ISSUING THAT AS WELL.
AND WHAT OUR THOUGHT HAS BEEN RATHER THAN JUST LOOK AT AT ALL TOWN AND NORTH AND, AND THEN ONE PET CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO IS TO PROBABLY INTEGRATE THAT RFQ WITH THE 180 3 MONEY THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR.
UM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE AN OLD TOWN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HADN'T RAISED MEDIANS LOOK LIKE BRICK, PAVERS, PEDS SCALE OF LIGHTS ARE REALLY, SO WE HAVE A FRONT DOOR HERE AND MAKE IT WALKABLE THAT CONNECTIVITY BACK TO, UH, BACK TO, UH, LEANDER STATION IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CAP METRO, EVEN IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THEIR T O D DEFINITION AND RTO D DEFINITION.
AND THEN ALSO FTAS WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING THAT SCOPE, BASICALLY SQUARING IT OFF.
SO IT TAKES ALL OF UPTOWN, UPTOWN, ALL OF THE OLD TOWN AND INTAKES NORTH LINE ALL THE WAY TO 180 3 ON ONE SIDE AND KIND OF BLOCKED IT OFF AND THEN LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TOOK IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CITY LIMIT LINE OR IF WE JUST TOOK IT TO, UH, CRYSTAL FALLS, I'LL HAVE TO THAT PART.
I'LL HAVE TO, I CAN'T JOG LOOSE THIS MORNING.
SO THAT'S ALSO IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO ON CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT BILLS THAT ARE FLOODING OUT THERE IN THE FEDERAL SIDE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'D BE PREPARING FOR AS WELL IS TO NOT ONLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THE FUNDS FROM CAP METRO FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO TO, UH, CREATE A PLAN.
SO WHEN THERE ARE CALLS FOR PROJECTS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT EITHER US OR CAP METRO TOGETHER, KIDS SUBMIT AND THOSE ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS OR SPECIAL CALLS FOR PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S FTA FSW WAY, UH, OR WORKING WITH, UH, TEXTILE, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I HAVE ON THAT THIS MORNING.
AND IF YOU WANT ME TO ROLL TO COMMUNICATIONS, UM, NOT YET COUNSEL, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CONCERNS.
MARIJUANA, ME TO TOUCH, TOUCH ON THESE ITEMS TOO.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW, AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAD QUESTIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES ABOUT RETIREMENTS AND AWARDS AND BIRTHDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO LET ME JUST FIRST TOUCH ON THE ITEMS WERE REALLY AWARE OF WHAT I, WHAT I DO AND WHAT STAFF DOES RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATIONS.
SO Y'ALL GET THE WEEKLY UPDATES FROM ME.
I CAN USUALLY SEND THOSE ON FRIDAY.
I'LL BE SITTING TOGETHER WHEN TONIGHT PROBABLY, OR THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, WE HAVE OUR, UH, AGENDA STAFF REVIEW IS USUALLY TWO OF Y'ALL AT A TIME, UM, MOSTLY BY PHONE, BUT SOME IN PERSON, UH, DEPENDS ON AVAILABILITY WITH, UH, THE WEEKS OF, WE USUALLY DO THOSE ON THE TWO, ON THE TUESDAYS OF CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
THEN WE HAVE, UH, EMAILS THAT COME AND GO AND TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE WHEN THOSE COME UP.
AND THOSE CAN OFTEN BE TRIGGERED ALSO BY QUESTIONS FROM THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY SEND ALL COUNCIL, HEY, UM, I'M HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
AND SO MYSELF, MIKE, UH, THAI OTHERS WILL USUALLY DEVELOP A RESPONSE DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.
UM, I'M AVAILABLE AND STAFF IS AS WELL FOR OTHER MEETINGS AS THEY COME UP.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO MORE OF, UM, IF Y'ALL WANTED TO HAVE MORE OF A STANDEE MEETING OR WITH ALL OF Y'ALL EVEN INDIVIDUALLY OR UP IN THE MORNING COFFEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO ADD THAT TO THE, TO THE MIX.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS ABOUT PANDORA HAS, UM, DORIS HANDLED A LOT OF THAT COMMUNICATION TOO, BUT WHEN WE HAVE RETIREMENTS OR
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THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO BE NOTIFIED OR REWARDS IF PD OR FIRE, THINGS LIKE THAT.AND THEN HOW Y'ALL WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION PASSED ON THE ONE THING I WILL ADD THAT SOME STAFF MEMBERS AT DIFFERENT TIMES, WHEN THEY RETIRE AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY MAY ONLY EVEN WANT THEIR OWN DIVISION AND NOT EVEN A CITY-WIDE ONE.
UH, SO WE DO GET, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE NOT EVERYBODY IS AS AN EXTRA HURDLE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT MIGHT'VE WORKED 20 YEARS AND THEY'RE LIKE, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE THREE PEOPLE THAT I PROCESS BILLS WITH, UH, AND MY, AND MY SUPERVISOR GOT TO GO TO LUNCH AND THAT'S ALL THEY WANT TO DO.
UH, WE TRY TO DO, UH, DORA AND STAFF TRIES TO DO BIGGER RETIREMENT TYPE PARTIES IN HERE.
IT'S, DON'T LET US, BUT WE HAVE HAD, WE'VE HAD SOME THAT, THAT JUST, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT'LL SAY, I REALLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE.
SO WE KIND OF DO THAT JUST BASED ON THEIR, THEIR INPUT AND THEIR PERSONALITY.
THIS WAS MY ITEMS. SO DO YOU MIND IF I HOP IN HERE A LITTLE BIT? OH, I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO, WELL, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PUT ON THE SPOT.
SO, UM, SO THE WAY I SEE IT ON COUNCIL NOTIFICATIONS, THERE ARE, UM, THREE BROAD CATEGORIES.
THERE'S EMERGENCIES, EVENTS, AND ITEMS WE MAY BE CONTACTED ABOUT.
SO EVENTS, YES, RETIREMENT FALLS INTO THAT.
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE INVITED TO RETIREMENT PARTIES NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WORKING ON DAY TO DAY WITH EVERYBODY.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO JUST HAVE THEIR CORE PEOPLE THERE, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET NOTIFIED THAT LONGTIME STAFF, THAT WE'VE INTERFACED WITH A LOT ARE RETIRING.
THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WHERE I FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TINA, WHEN TINA LEFT, I DIDN'T KNOW TINA WAS LEAVING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN I HEAR SHE'S RETIRED.
I JUST WANT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE WORKED WITH PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SEND AN EMAIL BEFORE THEY LEAVE EVEN, AND JUST SAY, HEY, CONGRATULATIONS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO IN EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE TREVISO FIRE STATION, OPENING COUNCIL, WASN'T MADE AWARE OF THAT EXCEPT FOR A NOTE IN THE WEEKLY UPDATE THE DAY BEFORE IT OPENED.
AND, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE WOULD ALL SORT OF EXPECT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE HOW PARKS DOES WHERE THERE'S A NOTIFICATION SEVERAL WEEKS IN ADVANCE.
THERE'S SORT OF AN EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
WE'RE OPENING UP A CITY FACILITY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE GOING TO BE THERE TO SHOW THE STAFF AND THE RESIDENTS THAT WE CARE AND WE'RE INVOLVED AND, YOU KNOW, GET THE FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING TOO.
I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF US HAVE EVEN BEEN THROUGH THE, THE SO FIRE STATION.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS OUT THERE FOR THE OPENING, NOBODY ELSE WAS THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY EVEN KNEW, LIKE IF, IF THEY HADN'T READ THAT EMAIL FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS OPENING.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
CAUSE I SAW THE PICTURES OF IT, THE GRAND OPENING, RIGHT.
UM, AND PARKS DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING AND WE'RE INVITED, UM, AND IT'S NOT REAL CONSISTENT ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND SO LIKE, LIKE PD, WE USED TO, WHEN I FIRST STARTED ON COUNCIL, WE WERE INVITED TO EVERY SWEARING AND I'VE GOT GREAT PICTURES WHEN WE GOT K9 CODY AND THEY HAVEN'T SWEARING IN CEREMONY.
HE WITH LITTLE DOGGY COOKIES IS FABULOUS.
UM, BUT WE WERE ALWAYS INVITED TO THOSE.
AND NOW WE SEE THEM ON FACEBOOK AFTER THE FACT.
AND I FEEL LIKE, WHAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT'S BEING GIVEN TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THESE NEW EMPLOYEES THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T EVER SHOW UP FOR THESE THINGS.
SO I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE THERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES WITH EVERYBODY, BUT JUST TO BE THERE AS A SUPPORT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CARE ABOUT YOU WELCOME TO THE TEAM.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL UNDER EVENTS ON EMERGENCIES.
UM, WE USED TO GET AN OLD COUNCIL TEXT MESSAGE WHEN THERE WOULD BE A WATER ISSUE, WHICH LUCKILY WE HAVEN'T HAD IN AWHILE.
UM, SO I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD A FATALITY ON CRYSTAL FALLS THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS AN ALL COUNCIL TEXTS.
AND I THINK THE THINKING BEHIND IT WAS, WE DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING BIG GOING ON IN CASE SOMEBODY CONTACTS US ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SURPRISE.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE LAST CATEGORY, WHICH IS ITEMS WE MAY BE CONTACTED ABOUT.
SO JUST THINGS LIKE ROAD CLOSURES, YOU KNOW, IF, UM, SO WE HAD HAD THIS EMAIL EXCHANGE A WHILE AGO ABOUT, UH, TAMARACK TRAIL.
IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET A PART IN.
SO THE ROAD WAS CLOSED FOR A WEEK.
WELL, TIME TAMARACK TRAIL IS IT'S NOT A HUGE ROAD, BUT IT'S A ROAD THAT'S USED BY AT LEAST TWO NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET OUT TO BAGHDAD ROAD.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW WHY IT WAS CLOSED FOR A WEEK BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN THE WEEKLY UPDATES ABOUT THAT.
TO ME, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD, SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO REACH OUT TO US ABOUT.
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OUT ABOUT IT FROM FACEBOOK.I WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT FROM STAFF.
AND SO LIKE THAT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE AN EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION WITH LIKE AN ALL COUNCIL TEXT, BUT JUST SOMETHING IN THE EMAIL THAT SAYS LIKE, HEY, HERE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE CLOSED.
OR LIKE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE REHABBING, YOU KNOW, NOTE TO COUNCIL, HORIZON PARK IS GOING TO HAVE CLOSURES THIS WEEK.
YOU MIGHT GET CONTACTED ABOUT IT.
THIS IS WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT IT TO BE REOPENED JUST GENERAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WHEN THE PUBLIC COMES TO US, WE DON'T GET A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS LOOK AND SAY, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD A NEW FIRE STATION OPENING.
THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT KIND OF THING.
NOW OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT, AND NO, WE HAVE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A LOT OF ADDITIONAL WEIGHT ON THE UPPER END OF, BUT I WILL SAY THIS IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION.
UM, LET'S EVEN SAY THAT TAMARA WATERLINE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS BROKEN.
SO GIVING ME AN EXAMPLE, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH NO ONE I'D NEVER DONE SOCIAL MEDIA.
I DON'T, THAT'S NOT AN AREA I TRACKED.
I MEAN, IF YOU SEE ME WITH AN IWATCH, IT MEANS I PROBABLY LAYING IN THE BOX AT THAT POINT.
SO THE, I DO THINK, I MEAN, AND MIKE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AS WELL.
IF YOU DO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR COUNTERPARTS, UM, HOW MANY DID WE DETERMINE THAT THIS WAS EVEN A YEAR OR TWO AGO, CEDAR PARK AT SEVEN IN THE OFFICE PIO? UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE AND WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR OVERALL STAFFING IS THAT OUR POPULATION AND STUFF HAPPENING RATIO, WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE OUR COMMUNICATION.
BUT THE ONE THING WE CAN'T, THAT'S HARD TO DO IS THE BANDWIDTH.
AND I DO THINK THAT YES, IN SEVERAL AREAS WE ARE WITHOUT GETTING INTO ALL THE FTES PER DEPARTMENT ON TOP OF THE SALARY DIFFERENTIALS, WE ARE LIGHT.
SO IN TERMS OF THE THERESA FIRE STATION, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER IF I PUT THAT ON THE WEEKLY UPDATE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE HAD, IT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY MENTION OF IT.
IT WAS THE FRIDAY AND THEN SATURDAY MORNING IT WAS OPENING.
BUT, BUT TO BE HONEST, AND THIS IS JUST TO BE HONEST, WE'RE THE ONLY CITY IN THE AUSTIN REGION, OVER 80,000 THAT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE ACS ALSO.
I MEAN, AND I WOULDN'T EVEN TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER.
MOST OF THOSE OTHER CITIES WILL HAVE ONES THAT THEY WILL HAVE, UH, BOTH PD AND FIRE SANDED THEM.
AND THEY WILL OFTENTIMES HAVE EVEN A DEPUTY AND OR CHIEF OF STAFF AND AN ASSISTANT TOO.
THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO.
I GUESS THE FLIP OF THAT IS, AND I KNOW WHEN YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT ONCE BEFORE, I WAS LIKE, CAUSE I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO ADD BURDEN TO ANYBODY'S PLATE AND WE DON'T NEED AN EXTRA REPORT.
I DON'T WANT AN EXTRA UPDATE EMAIL.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO? IS THERE BECAUSE YOU AND I HAD SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT AS POSSIBLY HAVING IT, LIKE PUTTING IT ON THE FYI, I DON'T EXPECT TO BE SPOONFED ANYTHING I DON'T AT ALL, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN WHAT I DO GO LOOK AT DOES ON THAT FYI, I GO TO LOOK AT ALL THE DATES AND I GO, OKAY, CAN I MAKE THIS KINDA MAKE THIS KINDA MAKE THIS? AND I GO PUT IT ON MY CALENDAR OR POTENTIAL UPDATES AND I'LL PUT MYSELF REMINDERS, GO LOOK TO SEE IF THIS GOT PUT ON THE CALENDAR.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT WITH THE RETIREMENT.
IT'S LIKE WHEN I WENT TO HELEN RETIREMENT ACHIEVEMENT AND WAS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE NOT DOING A PROXIMAL.
I'M LIKE, I DON'T WANT A PROCLAMATION.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.
AND I WAS IN LEADERSHIP LEANDRA WITH HER AND I WANTED TO SHOW UP TO TELL HER HAPPY RETIREMENT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S NOT ABOUT ME.
AND SO, AND THAT'S WHERE I JUST HAPPENED TO SEE IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT EMAIL CHAIN I WAS ON, BUT I HAPPENED TO SEE IT.
SO I MADE A POINT TO GO TO HELLMANN'S RETIREMENT AND TO DEEP PD ASSOCIATION MADE SURE TO REACH OUT TO US ON THERE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING TO THEM THAT WE AREN'T INVITED TO THESE.
SO IF YOU KNOW, AND, AND THERE ISN'T ONE, DO ANY DARREN WANTS TO SAY, YEAH, YEAH, Y'ALL WERE GOING TO SORRY, EMAILS OR SOMETHING, BUT WE, WE SEND OUT A CALENDAR TO EVERY SINGLE DIRECTOR EVERY SINGLE FRIDAY FOR THE CURRENT MONTH AND THE NEXT MONTH AND ASK THEM TO REVIEW THE CALENDAR AND TO GIVE US UPDATES OF ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE CALENDAR.
WE HAVE TRIED TO BE BETTER TO INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT HEAD COUNT.
AND SO I THINK MAYBE THIS IS WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO POLICY AND EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT
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THE TREVISO FIRE OPENING, THAT WAS A HUGE EVENT.WE HAD PEOPLE FROM THE STATE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING A FIREWISE CERTIFICATION.
WE HAD ALL SORTS OF EXTRA FIRE PERSONNEL OUT THERE.
WE HAD A CERT TEAM MEMBERS OUT THERE.
ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO BE COORDINATED IN ADVANCE, BUT COUNCIL COULDN'T GET AN NOTIFICATION.
WE KNOW THAT THESE INTERNAL CALENDARS EXIST AND IT'S NOT INCUMBENT ON YOU TO GO OUT AND FIND THEM AND SEND US A SEPARATE EMAIL.
BUT I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CREATING THESE EVENTS TO HAVE AS PART OF THEIR CHECKLIST.
I NEED TO NOTIFY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
I DO THINK THAT, THAT I DO THINK IN THE PAST PROBABLY BEING HUMBLE, SMALL TOWN THINGS, IT WAS EASIER TO ASSUME TO, OH, HOW COULD THEY NOT KNOW? OR HOW COULD I HAVE TOLD HER SO-AND-SO THIS WAS, HOW COULD THEY NOT NOTICE THIS HAPPENING WELL IN THE TOWN OF 5,000 POLICY THEN CITY MANAGER, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS I WILL SAY THIS AND I WON'T POINT TO ANY DEPARTMENTS, BUT SOMETIMES I'LL FIND OUT BEFORE SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ON CERTAIN THINGS, LET'S SAY THE INCIDENT PIECE.
NOW I DO HAVE SOME EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BACKGROUND AS WELL.
UM, THAT I'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT DESIGNATION FOR A WHILE, MAYBE FOR NINE MONTHS, ONE PLACE.
BUT THE, THE, THE, UH, WE CAN'T KEEP DOING, I GUESS THE, NOW THE SHERIFF, WHAT IS IT CALLED? I'M NOT SURE IF ONE IS IT SHAREPOINT, BUT OFFICE 3, 6, 3, 6, 5, THAT'LL ALLOW US TO SHARE CALENDARS.
SO IT SAYS THE GUY WITH NO BATTERY IN HIS WATCH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO SHARE SOME OF THIS STUFF I DID.
UM, I'LL LET YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT BATTERED, BUT I, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE BOTH TECHNOLOGY, COMMON SENSE IN POLICY.
AND THAT'S THE EXPECTATION I THINK HERE IS TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A TOP DOWN THING.
AND I THINK THAT'S AT LEAST WHERE I COME FROM.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE IN WITH THE TREVISO AND IF IT WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE IT'S GOING TO THAT, AND IF YOU'RE FINDING OUT THINGS AFTER THE FACT, IT'S FIGURING OUT WHY YOU WERE FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT AND FIXING THAT FROM AN AND I HAVE TO EVEN LOOK, I THINK I HAD ANOTHER EVENT, SOMETHING THAT SAME DAY, THAT SAME DAY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT WHERE THE ISSUE IS AND FIXING THAT INTERNALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I DON'T, I DON'T PERSONALLY NEED TO BE INFORMED OF EVERY LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE ROLE OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY PUBLICLY WHEN WE CAN.
AND SO I TRY REALLY HARD TO SHOW UP AT THE PLACES THAT I CAN THINK OF.
IT SHOWS THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME, THAT I'M MAKING AN EFFORT TO DO THE JOB THAT THEY ELECTED ME TO DO.
AND I THINK FROM A STAFF SEEN POINT, EVEN THOUGH PROBABLY 98% COULDN'T CARE LESS THAN I'M THERE, BUT IT STILL SAYS, HEY, LOOK, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND IT'S, AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF IT.
AND SO WE JUST NEED, I NEED HELP.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT GETS SENT WHEN WE AREN'T AT THINGS IS THAT WE DON'T CARE.
WE DON'T SUPPORT YOU, WHETHER THAT'S TO RESIDENTS OR STAFF.
AND SO HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE AT ALL, I THINK IS A PRIORITY FOR COUNCIL.
I, I WILL SAY WHEN WE GET PAST THIS, THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR, UM, WE WILL DO, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SQUEEZE THE TURNIP IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY AND OUTPUT AT, I MEAN, ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND I REALIZED THAT THE OUTREACH PIECE, AND IT DOESN'T JUST BECAUSE I'M ADMITTEDLY MORE OF A OPERATIONS PERSON AND, AND, UH, NOT THE NEVER BEEN ON FAITH, I'VE NEVER, EVER HAD A FACEBOOK.
SO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THOUGH WE CAN BE, BUT TO BUILD US LONG-TERM, UM, ON SOME OF THE STAFFING, I DO THINK WHEN WE GET PAST THIS YEAR, ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE AND STUFF AND ALL THOSE ITEMS AND FTES, AND WHEN WE HAVE SPACE, YOU GUYS WERE ASKING, YOU GUYS ARE ASKING, CAUSE I, I I'M HEARING WHAT COUNCIL'S SAYING.
I THINK MOST COUNCIL PEOPLE WOULD FEEL THAT WAY.
I'M I'M I, MY, MY FEELINGS ARE DIFFERENT ON THE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE, THE, THE FEELINGS OF OVERALL COUNCIL IN GENERAL FOR THE HISTORY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST, HEY, WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S
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EVENTS OR WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, UM, CAN, IF IT, IF I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S AN F I WAS GONNA SAY BEFORE WHEN THIS CONVERSATION STARTED AND SAY, IF IT'S IMPORTANT AND STAFF OR WHATEVER ENTITIES HAVING THE ENGAGEMENT, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT NOW I THINK THAT YOU'RE SOME, SOME PEOPLE ARE EVEN SAYING, WE WANT TO KNOW, REGARDLESS OF THOSE THINGS, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S A PARTY FOR RETIREMENT, BUT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT WE INTERFACE WITH A LOT, LIKE IF, IF ROBIN WAS OLD ENOUGH TO RETIRE, RIGHT.I THINK IF ONE DAY WE CAME IN AND HEARD, WELL, ROBIN RETIRED LAST WEEK, WE WOULD ALL BE IN SHOCK, RIGHT? WE WOULD WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HAPPY, BUT WE WOULD WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, CONGRATULATIONS, GOOD LUCK.
IT'S STILL TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP WAS THE FIRE THING.
AND THAT'S MORE OF LIKE A PUBLIC EVENT.
LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE, THOSE ARE COMPLETE THINGS.
SO, UM, YEAH, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T CARE WHETHER, WHETHER WE LOVE ROBERT OR NOT EVEN THAT THEY REALLY SHOULD, BUT ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE, UM, A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN TO SEE US IN PUBLIC PLACES, ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY'S, UH, HAS, HAS ELECTED US TO SHOW UP WITH THOSE THINGS IN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THERE, BUT I KNOW, BUT WHEN WE DON'T SHOW UP, THEY NOTICE THE PUBLIC, IT WAS COMMENTED ON THE TREVISO THING.
I NEVER, I WAS JUST, I SAW A COMMENT THAT THE ONLY COUNCIL PERSON THAT WAS THERE WAS THE MAYOR AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN SPEAK WELL.
I LIKE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT LIKE 12 HOURS BEFORE AND SHOWED UP AND JUST SAID, HI, AND IS IT DIFFERENT OF OPINION ON WHERE, LIKE HOW, HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID ONE PERSON'S OPINION.
THAT'S VERY LOUD SOMEWHERE TOO.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT THOUGH.
IT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WE SEND WHEN WE DON'T SHOW UP TO THINGS, IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT WE ARE ELITIST AND WE DON'T CARE.
AND THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT'S GOING TO GET THROUGH TO OUR STAFF AS WELL.
WHEN WE DON'T SHOW UP ANYMORE TO POLICE EVENTS, THEY THINK WE DON'T CARE.
AND TRUST ME, THEY DO TALK TO THE ASSOCIATION.
THEY FEEL LIKE WE DON'T SUPPORT THEM.
UM, BUT WHERE I THINK THAT THERE'S, AND THERE ARE DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THAT CASE, IF THEY REALLY THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN THEY WOULD, THEN THEY WOULD ALERT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND THEY WOULD SAY, HEY, MAKE SURE THIS, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T, THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THEM.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A BIT OF A MISCOMMUNICATION HERE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR CITY MANAGER IS THAT HE FEELS IT'S A TECHNOLOGY ISSUE.
I FEEL, AND I THINK BECKY FEELS, IT'S JUST A TECHNOLOGY.
I'M SAYING IT'S A, IT'S AN FTE ISSUE.
WHEN I SAY YOU SAY MAN, HOURS AND HOURS, PEOPLE HOURS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S A POLICY ISSUE.
IF YOU ARE ABLE, IF A STAFF MEMBER IS ABLE TO COORDINATE A LARGE EVENT WITH ALL THESE OUTSIDE ENTITIES AND PLENTY OF NOTICE, THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO INCLUDE YOU IN AN EMAIL OR THE CITY SECRETARY IN AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, THIS IS AN EVENT THAT IS HAPPENING.
IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE INTERNAL CALENDAR.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PIO, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE PIO SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN.
AND YOU MENTIONED, AND, AND YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE ALL COUNCIL EMAILS, LAST TIME I CHECKED OUR PIO WAS NOT INCLUDED ON THOSE.
HAS HE BEEN ADDED? NO, HE HASN'T YET WHEN NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WHEN IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? I MEAN, WE CAN DO IT AT ANY TIME.
IT WAS HELPFUL WHEN YOU WERE PIO THAT YOU WERE ON THE EMAILS BECAUSE YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE WHEN WE STARTED GETTING IN MULTIPLE EMAILS ABOUT SOMETHING YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE IT AND HEAD IT OFF AND GIVE US A MESSAGE OF, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A HEADS UP WHAT'S GOING ON.
MIKE HAS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES NOW.
AND SO WE HAVE A PIO WHY ISN'T LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THE PIO SHOULD BE ON THERE.
I THINK WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I NEED TO DO WITH THAI AS WE GO THROUGH THESE THINGS, AND HE'S STILL FOLLOWING AND PIES BACK THERE IS HE CAN HEAR HIM.
HE'S STILL FOLLOWING OUR CONTACT DESK EMAILS.
HE'S TRACKING ALL OF OUR INFO AT LEANDER, TX EMAILS.
HE'S ON ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT EMAIL CHAINS THAT HE'S MONITORING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO FILTER THINGS TO HIM, THROUGH OUR ALL COUNCIL EMAILS.
WHEN WE HAVE MESSAGES THAT NEED TO GO OUT, I'M COPYING HIM, AFFORDING TO HIM WHEN I'M CRAFTING THOSE MESSAGES.
SO FOR ME, IT'S A, IT'S A CONTROLLED COMMUNICATIONS APPROACH.
AND I CAN ADD INTO THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT YET WHERE I, UM, I NEEDED TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM AS TO HOW HE RESPONDS TO THOSE WHEN THOSE THINGS STARTED HITTING HIS INBOX.
SO, UM, IT COMES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY FLAVOR, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CATEGORY WHEN WE CRAFT THOSE MESSAGES, THOSE ALL COUNSEL, EMAIL MESSAGES, UM, SOMETIMES WE CAN RESPOND FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SOMETIMES THOSE MESSAGES REQUIRE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, UM, INPUT TO RESPOND, BUT HE'S ABSOLUTELY A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO THE FACT THAT HE'S NOT ON THE EMAIL INBOX LIST DOESN'T MEAN HE'S
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NOT GETTING THOSE.LIKE, ARE WE ALWAYS COPIED WHEN, WHEN THERE IS A RESPONSE TO WHEN IT IS SENT TO ALL, ALL CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN TO ME, I KIND OF CONFUSING WHERE IT'S NOT THE QUESTION OR THE COMMENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE ON COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER PROPERLY, EXCEPT THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN.
UM, AND SOMETIMES WE GET, WE GET COPIED ON THINGS AND OTHER TIMES, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER RESPONDED TO WE, WE NOW WE'RE COPIED ON IT.
I USUALLY, UM, WHAT I DO IS CAUGHT WHEN I RESPOND, LET'S SAY I RESPOND TO THE, TO THEM.
I TYPICALLY WILL COPY DORA AND OR MIKE OR BOTH.
AND THEN I, THEY USUALLY WOULD THEN PUSH IT OUT TO ALL.
I TRY NOT TO PUSH IT BACK OUT TO ALL THAT WAY, UM, TO NOT HAVE ANOTHER RESPONSE.
THAT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU'RE GETTING NOTIFIED THAT OBVIOUSLY THAN THE ORIGINAL EMAIL OR SENDER WAS RESPONDED TO, BECAUSE WE'RE COPIED ON IT, BUT IF WE WERE NOT COPIED ON IT, DOES IT NOT EXIST OR WHERE THEY RESPONDED TO, AND WE JUST DIDN'T GET COPIED.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME, IN SOME CASES AND SOME CASES, AGAIN, PROBABLY WITH THE VOLUME, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THAT AFTER LET'S SAY I RESPOND AND COPY DARREN MIKE, THEY MAY NOT ALWAYS FORWARD IT.
W SO IF WE'RE RESPONDING AND FOR CRAFTING YOUR MESSAGE AND RESPONSE AND ALL COUNCIL, WE'RE COPYING ALL COUNCIL AND THOSE RESPONSES, UM, IF IT'S AND COUNCIL, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, JOE BLOW SENDS AN EMAIL AND SAYS, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THIS, AND CAN WE GET HER STOPLIGHT OR WHATEVER.
AND IS THAT ON THE, I DON'T KNOW.
SO IF I DON'T RESPOND AND YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT GOING TO KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS ALREADY RESPONDED, I JUST KNOW IT WENT TO AUSSIE COUNCIL.
SO, BUT YEAH, THAT'S ON THE PROJECT LIST FOR NEXT YEAR AND THAT'S IT.
AND ARE WE GETTING COPIED ON ALL OF THEM? YES.
UM, AND THAT'S OUR INTERNALLY THAT'S YES.
THAT'S CERTAINLY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IS, AND SOME OF THOSE, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A FEW THAT IT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR INFORMATION.
AND THERE MAY BE A FEW, LET'S SAY WE GET ON THE WEEKEND AND I RESPOND TO THAT.
I MEAN, MAYBE MIKE AND DORIS DON'T MAY NOT FOLLOW UP ON JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE IT.
CAUSE THEY GOT, BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE MONDAY IN STAFF, THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
CAUSE SOMETIMES RICK WARD WILL RESPOND VERY QUICKLY AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE STAFF WEEKENDS WITH, I ACTUALLY DO THAT.
I COPIED THEM FOR THAT REASON.
CAUSE I'M TRYING TO AVOID THE WHOLE CORE INFUSE.
AND THEN USUALLY, I MEAN, BUT THEY'LL STACK, I MEAN SURE.
MIKE OR DARRA WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 50 EMAILS BETWEEN THEM ONCE IN A WHILE IT HAD HAPPENED.
AND IN MANY CASES AS SOMETIMES THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY RESPONSES, I MEAN, IF IT'S JUST PROVIDING FACTS, THINGS THAT ARE ON OUR WEBSITE DOCUMENTATION, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET COPIED ON THOSE EVERY TIME, UNLESS WE KNOW THIS IS A, THIS IS AN ISSUE.
COUNCIL NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE MAY BE SENDING RESPONSES AHEAD OF A COMMUNITY MEETING OR A WORKSHOP ITEM OR, UM, YOU KNOW, A BIG PROJECT THAT COUNCIL'S TRYING TO TRACK AND FOLLOW IT.
TYPICALLY WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP COUNCIL LOOPED IN ON THOSE SECONDARY AND THIRD AND FOURTH RESPONSE THREADS.
UM, UM, I DID, I, WASN'T INTERESTED IN MAYBE HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM ALL THE MESSAGING THAT YOU ARE RECEIVING FROM THE COMMUNICATIONS YOU ARE RECEIVING FROM, FROM RICK, FROM MYSELF, FROM DARAA, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT JUST FROM WHAT YOU'RE GETTING, ARE YOU CHECKING ALL OF THE FYI'S FAR THE MONTHLY REPORTS AND ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE SENDING? IS IT TOO MUCH INFORMATION WE'RE DOING WEEKLY EMAILS TO, UM, AND CERTAINLY THE ALL COUNCIL TEXTS WHEN, AND WE CAN KIND OF CREATE CATEGORIES AS COUNSEL GIVES US FEEDBACK.
IF THERE'S A FATALITY AT AN INTERSECTION JUST SAYING THERE'S A FATALITY AND INTERSECTION WAR INFORMATION THAT COME, THEN WE FOLLOW UP IN A WEEKLY EMAIL, WE FOLLOW UP IN AN FYI WITH THAT INFORMATION.
SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER.
I MEAN, FOR ME, THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING THROUGH EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU GUYS HAVE.
UM, AND THAT'S MY BANDWIDTH OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND ALL THOSE THINGS TOO.
AND BEING ABLE TO DO SO HIGH LEVEL IS WHAT WE LEARNED YESTERDAY FROM ALL OF OUR PERSONALITY.
THINGS TO HIGH LEVEL IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SO THE WEEKLY UPDATE HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD FOR ME CAUSE IT TAKES EVERYTHING.
UM, I CAN GO THROUGH, UM, I LIKE WHEN EVERYTHING IS ON THE CALENDAR AND THE FYI AND THINGS ARE LISTED, SO I DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT BECKY DOES AND JUST
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TRY TO SEE AHEAD OF TIME, THE CHAMBER DID STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN THEY'RE DOING RIBBON CUTTINGS AND THEY WOULD SEND STUFF OUT.AND SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN I MAKE? WHAT CAN I NOT MAKE MOST THINGS I CAN'T MAKE, UM, WITH, WITH WORK SCHEDULES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, I DON'T NEED TO, I MEAN, I JUST, UH, I, I, IF IT'S A BIG THING, IF THE WATER'S GETTING SHUT DOWN, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING LARGE, I DON'T HAVE, UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE WELL, WE'RE WHERE I THINK WHY OUR NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT IS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR CONSTANT ENGAGEMENT, MOSTLY ON LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS TO BE ABLE TO INFORM PEOPLE.
AND I ALWAYS POINT PEOPLE BACK TO THE CITY AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL PUT THINGS OUT AND THEY'RE MORE FORWARD ABOUT THAT TOO.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET ARE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF NEEDING SOMETHING TO, UM, SO IF WE'RE, IF I'M SEEING SOMETHING ON THE CITY OR IF YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME SOMETHING, I'M JUST, I'M JUST FORWARDING WHATEVER YOU GUYS HAVE PUT OUT THERE.
SO IT'S ONE SOURCE AND I'M JUST ANOTHER SOURCE TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
BUT, UM, I THINK YOU'LL GET BETTER FEEDBACK FROM WHAT EXACTLY IS NEEDED BY MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM THEM.
I DON'T NEED ANY MORE THAN YOU CAN GIVEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND IF I DIDN'T GET AS MUCH, I WOULD BE OKAY TOO, AS LONG AS THINGS WERE GETTING TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THAT I THINK IN IMPROVEMENTS AND TO GETTING MORE PEOPLE FOLLOWING OUR CITY WEBSITE FOR ONE SOURCE WOULD BE AWESOME.
WE CAN'T MAKE ANYBODY GO THERE.
UM, IN ANY OTHER RESOURCES, ANOTHER SPHERE OF INFLUENCE THAT YOU HAVE IS GOOD TO PUT THINGS OUT THERE.
I JUST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AS ENGAGED ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO WHEN WE DO THOSE GROUP TEXTS TO YOUR COUNSEL PHONE, UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GETTING THOSE IN A TIMELY MANNER? IS THAT NO, BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP MY PHONE.
I CAN'T KEEP THAT WITH AS MUCH AS THIS PHONE GOES OFF.
I CAN'T KEEP THE PHONE ON ME ALL THE TIME TOO.
SO I CHECK MY EMAIL JUST AS MUCH AS I CHECKED MY PHONE.
SO LIKE THERE'S THREE INCH MORTAR LINES, RIGHT? TWO INCH THREE, WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A FEW TOO.
SO LET'S SAY IF THERE'S TWO INCH LINE BREAK OR SOMETHING, STAFF WOULDN'T UPDATE ME ON THAT.
IF THERE'S A 12 INCH LINE BREAK.
AND SO MAYBE IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG AGO.
SO I LOOK AT IT AS IF IT'S A 12 INCH, I WOULD BE NOTIFIED, BUT I NECESSARILY WOULDN'T.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT JEN.
AND BASICALLY WHEN I SAY BANDWIDTH, THERE'S KIND OF A, THERE'S KIND OF A DECISION TREE PIECE IN THERE TOO, WHERE THE STAFF IS, IS IT, IS IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN CLAMP IT IN AN HOUR? IS, IS IT MELVIN DAY OR, WELL, I THINK IT'S THE SCALE OF IMPACT, RIGHT? SO LIKE WHEN THE WATER MAIN BROKE OVER AT LEANDER HIGH SCHOOL, IF THAT WAS JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED IN A COUPLE OF HOURS, THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT STORY AND LEVEL OF NOTIFICATION.
LIKE I WOULDN'T REALLY EXPECT THAT TO COME TO US, BUT WHEN THE SCHOOL IS BEING CLOSED DOWN AND EVERYBODY IS GOING HOME, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALL GOING TO HEAR ABOUT.
AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
I'M SAYING I'M AGREEING WITH YOU ON LIKE A TWO OR THREE INCH WATERLINE.
I DON'T EXPECT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
UM, IF THERE'S A HUGE IMPACT TO AN AREA I EXPECT, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT'S GOING TO COME TO US AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BE NITPICKY AT ALL.
UM, I'M JUST SAYING ON THE BIG THINGS WE SHOULD KNOW, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SOCIAL, THE FATALITY ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
I WAS IN STARBUCKS AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED IT.
I WAS LIKE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I WASN'T ON SOCIAL BECAUSE PD IS PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK THAT OFTEN DESPITE BELIEFS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT THERE IS IF WE'RE PUTTING IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WE SHOULD BE.
AND I THINK ON THAT ONE, WE, WE SENT IT OUT LATER THAT DAY, WE COULD ALSO APPLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY'RE PUTTING OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THE SAME WAY THAT SOMEBODY WOULD FIND OUT IN THE PUBLIC, WE COULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC ON THAT TOO.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE, LIKE, IF IT'S, UH, FOLLOWING THE CITY PAGE OR BEING PART OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM LIKE THAT, THE APP THAT, THAT WILL CALL OUR PHONE OR WHATEVER, ALL THESE DIFFERENT, ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES.
I MEAN, I LIKE THE PARKS BEACH.
SO WHEN ANYTHING COMES UP, THAT'S THE SAME WAY ANYBODY ELSE WOULD.
AND, AND THE THING IS, IS I HAVE TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO LOG IN, IN TIME TO SEE IT BEFORE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
IF WE HAVE TIME TO PUT IT ON FACEBOOK, WE HAVE TIME TO JUST SHOOT OUT AN EMAIL AND SAY, HEY, COUNCIL, HERE'S, WHAT'S GOING ON.
PRETEND IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO KNOW BEFORE EVERYBODY ELSE ON.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I'VE RECOGNIZED FOR ME THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SOMEBODY EXPECTS TO RECEIVE FOR ME AND INFORMATION AND WHAT THEY EXPECT THE MAYOR TO KNOW.
SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SHE'S ATTENDING DIFFERENT EVENTS.
SHE'S BEEN CALLED UPON TO ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAN I NECESSARILY AM AND MY DAILY LIFE.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MIGHT FEEL LIKE YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE SHE'S IN A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN ME JUST BEING A
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COUNSELING.WELL, AND THE FATALITY I'M TALKING ABOUT HAPPENED TWO DAYS PRIOR.
SO I'M NOT SAYING LIKE, I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE THE PUBLIC, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE GET A COMMUNICATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC OF WE'RE INVESTIGATING A FATALITY WITHIN TWO DAYS, I EXPECT THERE'S SOME KIND OF COMMENT TO COUNSEL OF, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HEAR ABOUT THIS.
WELL, LET, LET ME, AND MAYBE IT'S ALSO A FUNCTION OF HAVING BEEN IN OTHER PLACES.
ONE THE RESPECT PIECE, THE PROPORTIONALITY PIECE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE ONE.
UM, IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF FATALITIES AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND PD HAS BEEN THE ONE TO, TO PUSH THAT OUT.
UM, IF Y'ALL WANT US TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, UM, IT'S NOT THE JADED THING FROM HAVING ALSO BEEN IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE FATALITIES, BUT, YOU KNOW, PD PUSHES IT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT DIFFERENT SITUATION, IF WE HAD A, AN ACTIVE SHOOTER, UH, AND THEN A FATALITY RELATED TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY EVEN AT A SMALLER SCALE.
UM, BUT DAVID, YOU MIGHT HAVE, I WAS THINKING YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT BECAUSE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO TRAFFIC SIDE ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR DPS, UH, THE TECH STOCK SIDE ON WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF NOTICE.
AND THEN WHAT'S ALSO THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN TO DO IT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS FATALITIES.
IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S IT? THAT IS SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
IF IT'S GOING TO IMPACT A LARGE AMOUNT OF OUR COMMUNITY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW AS WELL, BECAUSE THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPEN A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE, LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, I'M FINDING OUT ABOUT THINGS THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, SO IF IT'S NEWS WORTHY, I MEAN, I THINK THERE JUST SHOULD BE A POLICY THAT CERTAIN THINGS, IF THEY MEET THIS CRITERIA, IT DOESN'T HURT TO NOTIFY US.
DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
WHAT IF WE JUST, IF WE JUST HAD THEM KNOWLEDGE, THAT DEFINITELY HELPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I LIKE AROUND IT, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS.
OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT A SMALL COMMUNITY ANYMORE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, BUT I'LL SAY THIS.
I MEAN, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I DID BEFORE THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GO AND BE AT A GRADUATION CEREMONY, KNOWING THE STRESSORS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME ACROSS AND THE IMPACT.
CAUSE IT JUST DOES NOT IMPACT THAT PERSON THAT JUST GRADUATED ACADEMY THAT AFFECTS OUR FAMILY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THEIR LIFE.
SO JUST BEING ABLE TO BE THERE AND SUPPORT THEM.
UM, THAT'D BE NICE BECAUSE I KNOW IT MEANT A LOT TO ME WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY SHOW UP.
CAUSE THEN YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S THAT ENGAGEMENT.
SO I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A DISCONNECT, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING GOOD.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ME RECTIFY SOME THINGS AND ACTUALLY GET A POLICY IN PLACE ABOUT IF IT MEETS THIS CRITERIA, THEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS.
UNDERSTAND THE BANDWIDTH ISSUE AS WELL.
NOT TRYING TO ADD WORD, BUT IF THERE'S ALREADY AN PRE-POPULATED EMAIL DISTRIBUTION LIST, YOU JUST ADD THAT ONE.
THAT'S NOT A LOT OF WORK IN MY OPINION, UM, FATALITIES, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, MOST TIMES THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOVIES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND.
DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT RIGHT THEN? I KNOW, UNLESS MAYBE I'M HEADING THAT WAY.
WELL THAT'S, IF THERE, IF YOU HAVE THE CLOSURE FOR THE INVESTIGATION, THAT'S, THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY SEVERAL OF OURS THAT CLUSTERED HAD BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, LIKE TWO IN THE MORNING TYPE ONES.
UH, BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TECHNOLOGY ARE WE USING TO HELP MITIGATE THAT? RIGHT? SO WE CAN GET THAT FASTER BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE NEWS INSIGNIFICANT, IT SHOULD BE A PROCESS WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW IMMEDIATELY, BUT MAYBE I JUST WANT TO KNOW IT'S A TELL MEMBER.
WHAT, UH, WHAT FORMAT, I MEAN, EMAIL IS, IS PRIMARY FOR YOU CHECKING EMAIL.
CAN I ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN A MINUTE? SURE.
FIRST OF ALL, SO I'M WONDERING TO NEW THINGS AS WELL.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A TEXT GROUP.
MAYBE THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED, BUT ALSO DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A CALENDAR.
I COULD GO LOOK AT EITHER EMAILED TO YOU.
SO I'M SEEING THAT, NOT THAT THERE WAS A SEPARATE EMAIL IS MY PREFERRED CHOICE, JUST BECAUSE, AND CAUSE I CAN ADD THAT TO MY PERSONAL PHONE BECAUSE I WORK FROM NOT THE COUNCIL FOR PERSONAL PHONES.
LAST THING I NEED IS ANOTHER TEXT MESSAGE TO CHECK ANOTHER DUBAI.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF WANTING TO GO INDIVIDUAL BASIS HERE BECAUSE INFORMATION SATURATION IS GOING TO
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ANYTHING.IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT STRATEGICALLY, YOU'LL MISS IT.
ARE WE GOING AROUND? WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY NOW.
I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE'RE ON INFORMATION OVERLOAD QUITE HONESTLY OUT, BUT I ALSO JUST, JUST LIKE, I TELL PEOPLE THAT MY CHARGE OF SOMETHING, YOU NEED PEOPLE TO BRING FOOD.
IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR ME TO BRING FOOD, BUT I WILL BE THERE AND HELP YOU AND I'LL DO OTHER THINGS.
SO SAME THING WITH THIS, IF YOU ARE EXPECTING, YOU KNOW, A 24 7 NEWS UPDATE FOR ME, YOU'RE GOING TO NOT BE HAPPY BECAUSE I SHOULD NOT BE THE NEW SOURCE.
UH, I MEAN LIKE CHRIS, I DIRECT PEOPLE TO, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE CITY, GO BACK TO THE CITY WEBSITE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE INFORMATION SHOULD BE.
AND IF THEY GET, WE WERE ALL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
SO TO ME, I THINK WE GET ENOUGH OUR UNDERSTANDING THE, THE EVENT CALENDAR.
UM, I ALSO, SOMETIMES THOSE DON'T GET UPDATED AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT GETTING UPDATED, BUT THE INFORMATION WASN'T GIVEN TO THE PERSON THAT UPDATES IT.
SO WITH THAT AGAIN, THAT COMES BACK TO MY SCHEDULE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO I HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DO? AND THEN I ADDED IT TO MY, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR ON THAT BY CALENDAR? LIKE WHAT, WHAT DO YOU EITHER CHECK OR FLY? WHAT CATCHES YOUR ATTENTION TYPICALLY AND WHICH KIND OF LEADS ME TO, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE MISSING ON THOSE CALENDARS? SOMETIMES? I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S MISSING ON THE CALENDAR.
AND I'VE, I'VE NOTIFIED, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME IF SOMETHING CHANGES LIKE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST BEING THE LIAISON, I WOULD KNOW IT'S CHANGED LIKE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PERMISSION OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY CHANGED THE SCHEDULE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T GET UPDATED, BUT THAT'S NOT TRAGIC BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT'S ATTENDING GOT THE EMAIL, IT JUST WASN'T THERE.
BUT SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S NEW WANTED TO ATTEND THAT MEETING AND IT GOT CHANGED.
HE WOULDN'T BE ON THE EMAIL AND YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT SHOW IT CAUSE IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT WHERE'S THE MEETING.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY REASON WHY THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, WHICH IS VERY RARELY GOING TO GO.
WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN TWO OR THREE TIMES.
IT'S JUST IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
A DIFFERENT BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS HAD CHANGED OR FORMS DIDN'T MAKE.
AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE.
SO I, I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT, THAT I'M GETTING WHAT I CAN HANDLE.
I MEAN, WITH THE CHAMBER EVENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE GROUP TEXTS, THE GROUP TEXTS ARE FINE.
THE GROUP TEXTS ARE VERY HELPFUL.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE FRIDAY, I'M NOT THE FYI, BUT THE UPDATE THAT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT IS, I MEAN, YOU'VE BROKEN IT DOWN.
LIKE THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT THAT MAY NOT BE EVERYTHING, ALL THE MINUTIA, BUT IT IS THE, THE HIGH LEVEL.
AND THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME.
THE OTHER THING IS LIKE ALL OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT STUFF, I MEAN, THAT IS OVERWHELMING.
I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING TO, SHE ACTUALLY DOES IT THAT I KNOW, BUT SOME OF THEM I LOOK AT, WELL, IT'S COMPLETE, IS IT? OR I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF SCANNING OVER IT.
AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE A FEW THAT, OH, THEY MOVED HERE.
THEY MOVED HERE, WHICH THERE'S NO RIBBON CUTTING OR, OR NO GROUNDBREAKING.
SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO SEE THAT.
BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THAT THAT BUSINESS MOVED HERE.
BUT IF I DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, I WOULDN'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
YOU DON'T HAVE, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN.
SO IT'S OUR CHOICE TO GO THROUGH THERE AND SEE WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
BUT I WOULD SAY IF THERE IS, IF THERE IS SOMETHING MONUMENTAL THAT MAYBE YOU WANT TO POINT OUT EITHER, I HOPE THEY SEE THIS ON THE LIST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUT A LITTLE THING THERE AND IF IT'S NOT THERE, THEN YOU KNOW, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGING TOO.
UM, WITH INNER GOV, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTIER REPORT.
UM, CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A EXCEL DUMP, LIKE THE RAINBOW COLORS YEAH.
HOPEFULLY IF IT LAUNCHES, IT WILL LOOK SO WHERE YOU DONE.
I THINK SO IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT I, SO YOU EMAIL DEFINITELY WORKS.
YOU'RE CHECKING EMAIL ON A REGULAR BASIS, REGULAR ENOUGH FOR ME YES.
SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS WITH DIFFERENT THINGS ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT
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TO US, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE HAVE CRITICAL INCIDENTS OR, YOU KNOW, POLICE OR FIRE INJURED, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE IMPORTANT I THINK, TO SOME OF US THAN OTHERS.UM, BUT IF WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT DECISION THAT WE CAN MAKE, IF WE WANT TO DO THE ONE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH GETTING THAT INFORMATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER.
SO ON THE GROUP TEXTS, I APPRECIATE WHEN WE DO GET THOSE, I'M HAPPY THAT WE DON'T HAVE MORE OF THOSE BECAUSE THAT MEANS THERE'S AN INCIDENT.
BUT, UM, FREQUENTLY I'LL BE HONEST FREQUENTLY.
MY PHONE IS ON SILENT IN THE BOTTOM OF MY PURSE, SO I'LL SEE IT LATER.
WHEREAS, UM, IF THERE'S AN EMAIL ABOUT IT, I GET BUZZED ON MY WATCH AND I'VE ACTUALLY TOLD A NUMBER OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
IF YOU NEED A BREAK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING, SEND ME AN EMAIL BECAUSE I'LL HAVE MY PHONE ON DO NOT DISTURB, BUT I LET THE EMAIL COME THROUGH TO THE WATCH.
UM, AND SO THAT IS A WAY THAT I GET A LOT OF QUICK NOTIFICATIONS.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT, THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, UM, ON THE EMAILS AND STUFF.
UM, SO I'M TELLING YOU THOUGH, IT'S GREAT THOUGH, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ALERTS THAT I DON'T SEND TO IT THAT I CAN JUST IGNORE NOW.
UM, WE'RE NOT DOING TRANSPLANT SURGERY AND I'M NOT GETTING A TRANSPLANT.
UM, FOR THE REPORTS AND STUFF THAT WE GET.
UM, I LOVE THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION.
I THINK SOMETIMES I WORRY THAT WE ARE ADDING ANOTHER BURDEN, UM, TO STAFF.
SO I THINK ON SOME THINGS I HATE TO SAY YOU CAN OVER-COMMUNICATE, BUT AT THE POINT THAT IT INTERRUPTS YOUR PRODUCTIVITY FOR YOUR ACTUAL JOB.
I, I WORRY SOMETIMES THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE MONTHLY REPORTS, WHICH YOU LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY TIME CONSUMING.
I DON'T USUALLY READ THEM WHEN THEY COME IN.
IT USUALLY TAKES ME LIKE A WEEK BEFORE I CAN GET THROUGH.
CAUSE THEY'RE LIKE 80 PAGES, RIGHT? UM, THE WEEKLY ONES ON THE FYI, UM, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THE WEEKLY EMAILS NOW, THE UPDATES USED TO BE FYI.
UM, SO LATELY THE FYI IS JUST A QUICK SCAN.
WHAT'S LISTED AS UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY CHANGE TO THE CALENDARS? AND THEN I LOOK THROUGH THE COLOR CODED SECTION FOR JUST WHAT'S NEW, THAT OTHER PIECE THAT GOES IN THERE.
THAT'S THE SAME AS WHAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, I ONLY EVER LOOK AT THAT THROUGH OUR WEBSITE WHEN I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC, UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE I DON'T THINK IT'S HELPFUL.
I THINK IT'S JUST ONE MORE STEP THAT'S BEING TAKEN AND PUT INTO THAT EMAIL.
UM, I LOVE THE WEEKLY UPDATES THAT WE GET NOW FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
BUT, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES WHERE I WORRY ABOUT BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH INFORMATION AND NOT NECESSARILY STEP BECAUSE IT'S VERY DETAILED OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WAS ALREADY PUTTING FORWARD TO YOU AND IT'S JUST A COPY PASTE.
IF THAT'S AN EXTRA STEP, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO, LET ME, LET ME TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I DO IS ASK THEM FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE SUMMARIZING THINGS THAT EVEN MEETINGS I'VE BEEN IN NOW, I WRITE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF IT OR EXPAND ON CERTAIN PARTS OF IT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE JUST BASED ON WRITING STYLE, BUT WE ALSO HAD HAD AT DIFFERENT TIMES THERE HAD BEEN COMMENTS.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT'S REALLY DOING, OR WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STREETS DOES DURING A TYPICAL WEEK OR, AND SO IT'S HYBRIDS.
AND I DO THINK AT LEAST GIVES YOU ALL AN IDEA WHAT FOLKS ARE WORKING ON, WHAT PROGRESS WE'VE MADE.
SO I KNOW SOMETIMES WE'LL GET PICTURES OF SEWER PLANTS AND WATER PLANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THROWN INTO, WHICH IS VERY QUICK.
PART OF THAT IS JUST CONTEXT ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S AN END OF THE WEEK THING.
IT'S LITERALLY EVERYBODY WRITE DOWN THEIR BULLET POINTS AND THEN IT HELPS US KIND OF, KIND OF ALL OF US KIND OF TRACK.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED.
CAUSE AT THE END OF SOME OF THE WEEKS, THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS SOMETIMES SUCH, YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHED, DIMINISH, ACCOMPLISHED A LOT.
UH, ROBIN'S ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY SHORT, UM, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT BECAUSE SHE JUST CAN'T.
BUT A LOT OF HERS COMES IN THE VOLUME PIECE AND THE FYI.
SO, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL, IT HELPS SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE INCLUDING IN THOSE UPDATES.
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WE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T, IF NOT FOR COUNCIL GETTING AN ALL COUNCIL EMAIL, MAYBE FROM SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC OR FROM A DEVELOPER APPLICANT OR SOMETHING, WHICH THEN NOW THAT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, HERE'S OUR FOLLOWUP TO THAT.HERE'S AN UPDATE, HERE'S SOME MEETINGS WE HAD IN RESPONSE TO XYZ AND THAT'S ALWAYS, YEAH, ALWAYS GREAT.
UM, I THINK YOU JUST HIT ON SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REALIZE TOO, THE WAY I'M READING THROUGH THINGS, HAVING BEEN HERE AND THEN I'M GOING INTO MY FIFTH YEAR IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY DAVID IS READING THROUGH THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, WHEN WE FIRST, WHEN I WAS FIRST ON COUNCIL AND WE WERE GETTING THE, THE FYI'S, I WOULD READ THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE COLORED LINES AND SEE LIKE WHERE EVERYTHING WAS, LIKE, WHAT PROCESSES UPDATED.
LIKE I WOULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN THAT COLUMN TO SEE WHO WAS IN SECOND AND THIRD.
UM, AND NOW I'M LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WHAT'S NEW, THAT'S COMING TO US.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS DOING THAT CAME FROM A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER LAST YEAR, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET TO INTERACT WITH EVERYBODY VERY OFTEN.
AND SO THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY DO DAY TO DAY.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THEY'RE BUSY ALL THE TIME.
WELL, I KNEW THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE OF AN INFORMATION NEED IN THE BEGINNING, BUT I THINK LIKE CHRIS AND CATHERINE AND I LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE KNOW IT'S FINE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? LIKE PERMISSION TO SUMMARIZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? TOTALLY SUMMARIZE THAT IS A SUMMARY THAT THE DETAIL IS, AND WE'VE GOT TO BE DISCREET WITH CLICKING THE ACCOUNT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S, DOESN'T SAY LIKE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE AN IKEA IS COMING AND THEN OUR KEY IS NOT COMING.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY VERY KNOW THERE'S A PROSPECT THAT'S X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S THAT, THAT THAT'S A RETAILER AND THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING I'LL JUST ADD THIS ALLERGY CHAN, SORRY.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST THROW THE KITCHEN SINK AT YOU AND LET YOU TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THIS, I MENTIONED THIS YESTERDAY, LOTS OF BAR CHARTS, LOTS OF TABLES, LOTS OF LISTS.
IT'S ALL IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO US AND WE TRY TO PRIORITIZE THOSE AND KIND OF GIVE THEM TO YOU WITH SOME CONTEXT, BUT AGAIN, THROWING TOO MUCH AT YOU, IT'S LOST MAY GET LOST IN SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
AND THERE'S, SO THERE'S A, THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN GIVING YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION FOR YOU TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, AND THEN MAYBE NOT, NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL YOU, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT STAFFINGS YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW, OR WE COULD BASIS.
I THINK SOME OF IT COULD JUST GO INTO THE MONTHLY REPORTS EVEN.
BUT, UM, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I LOVE THE COMMUNICATION.
UM, IF IT'S STRESSING STAFF OUT THAT IT'S TOO MUCH SENDING US ALL THOSE BULLET POINTS, LIKE I CAN SEE THAT PULLING BACK TO LIKE MONTHLY IT'S, IT'S THE HIGH-LEVEL THINGS.
BASICALLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET CONTACTED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WHERE I'M LIKE, WELL, I EXPECT THAT SUPER TIMELY.
EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE Y'ALL HAVE A JOB TO DO.
I'M OKAY WITH FINDING OUT LATER, THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE, AND AGAIN, I WISH I WISH I HAD THE CRYSTAL BALL TO LOOK IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S MINDS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT AND CONTACTING YOU AS INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT CAUSE YOU'RE ALL GETTING INDIVIDUAL MESSAGES THAT WE ALL SEE TOO.
RIGHT? BUT SO SOMETIMES THAT FEEDBACK WOULD COMES TO US WHERE YOU'RE TELLING US, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? AND WE MAY NOT EVEN END UP WHERE WE MAY BE.
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING FOR A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR GROUP OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY IT'S PRIORITY ONE FOR US.
AND BECAUSE WE, WE PUT IT IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS, IT MAY BE DOWN AT PRIORITY 30 FOR US.
WE NEED TO BUILD IT TO KIND OF COMMUNICATE THAT.
SO YOU GUYS TO, WE HAVE THIS GIFT OF, OF, OF AN UNREALISTIC PERCEPTION OF WHAT COUNCIL DOES BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UNFORTUNATELY, AND THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A REFLECTION OF INTELLIGENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST A, NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR ROLE IS.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET A QUESTION LIKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY THAT I WOULD NOT POSSIBLY KNOW.
AND THEN THE REACTION, WELL, HOW, HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THAT? AND BECAUSE I'M NOT A STAFF MEMBER AND THIS IS NOT PART OF MY DAILY ROUTINE, AND IF YOU REALLY GET, I DON'T WALK AROUND KNOWING WHAT EVERYONE I'M GOING TO ENCOUNTER IS INTERESTED IN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS INTERESTED IN ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY, AND DAVID'S, AND NEIGHBORHOOD IS HYPE.
THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE GOING ON AND, AND, UH, YOU HAVE TO, SO I CAN'T KNOW THAT, BUT IF THEY REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT DO THEY DO, THEY CAN EMAIL US AND WE CAN FIND OUT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US SHOULD, SHOULD CARRY THAT PRESSURE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY IS, BUT, BUT FEELING LIKE WE HAVE TO BE THE PERSON THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.
ONE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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WHAT I JUST SAID.I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS DOING THAT, BUT, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOES, RIGHT.
SO THAT IS NOT REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ON US.
SO WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS OF OURSELVES AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US TO CONVEY WHERE YOUR LIFE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN MINE AND YOUR AVAILABILITY AND YOUR POSITION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND YOU ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE INFORMATION OUT THERE TO WHAT, JUST LIKE I SAID, DO NOT RELY ON ME FOR INFORMATION.
IF YOU CAN'T MANAGE YOUR DAILY LIFE, WITHOUT ME GIVING YOU INFORMATION, THEN WE'RE IN TROUBLE BECAUSE I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE IN YOUR LIFE.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOURS COULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR DIFFERENT INFORMATION THAN I AM.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S NEWSWORTHY WEANING TO KNOW IF IT'S NOT NEWSWORTHY, WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO KNOW, UM, UNLESS IT IS AFFECTING OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST OR HOW WE GOT HERE, WHATEVER, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT IF WE'RE MAKING A DECISION.
BUT AGAIN, THAT COMES DOWN TO THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT COUNCIL DOES.
SO WHEN WE GET THE QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WE'LL JUST SAY, LSD, WE DON'T OVERSEE L I S D AND NOT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M GETTING KIND OF BROAD PERSPECTIVE HERE, BUT IF IT'S NOT NEWSWORTHY, UM, IT JUST BECOMES WAIT.
AND I THINK THAT TOUCHES ON SOMETHING TOO, THAT WHEN THERE IS A STORY IN THE NEWS, THAT'S IMPACTFUL ABOUT US, WE SHOULD RECEIVE THAT NOTIFICATION.
SO THAT TEXAS OBSERVER ARTICLE HAS BEEN OUT FOR TWO WEEKS AND IT HASN'T BEEN SUCH A COUNCIL.
UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S AN EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, I, I WILL TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE BIG PICTURE, THINGS LIKE THINGS IN THE WORLD, AND I DON'T SEND YOU ALL THIS, BUT I TEND TO TRACK, I'M MORE LIKELY TO TRACK WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OIL.
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH JOBS NATIONALLY, THE STOCK MARKET WHAT'S HAPPENING ON, ON DEFENSE, UH, INTERNATIONAL ISSUES, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO THAT REAL ACTUALLY PROBABLY AFFECT US AT THE END OF THE DAY, MORE WITH WHERE WE'RE AT, BECAUSE WE'RE BUILT, WE'RE BUILT ON GROWTH.
AND SO I DON'T READ THE TEXAS OBSERVER.
I READ, I READ THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
I MEAN, I'M LOOKING MAYBE BIGGER PICTURE BECAUSE IF THAT FALTERS, THEN I KNOW I CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS.
WELL, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON THAT, ON THAT IN PARTICULAR, AND I DO HEAR YOU ON THAT ONE.
WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP PROBABLY THIS WEEKEND WITH COUNCIL IN EMAIL, UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ON THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT INVOLVED.
WELL, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT US.
WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE, WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE THAT AND THERE'S DIFFERENT PARTS TO IT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE IT SOME CONTEXT.
UM, WELL NICOLE SAID BEFORE SHE LEFT HER EMAIL IS HER FAVORITE FORM OF COMMUNICATION, BUT SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO DO DIFFERENTLY.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO GET MORE DETAIL FROM HER, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID, THAT SHE WAS LEAVING, UM, PERSONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I MADE SURE EVERY FRIDAY I READ THE FYI AS SOON AS IT COMES OUT.
UM, AND I'LL, I DO LIKE THE CITY UPDATES.
AND I THINK GOING BACK TO WHAT CHRIS SAID, THE HIGH LEVEL HIGHLIGHTS, A COUPLE OF SENTENCES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS THE WAY IT IS OR YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S JUST ABOUT GETTING, IT JUST SORT OF GIVES YOU AN OVERALL FIELD BECAUSE THAT'D BE THE SAME THING.
IF SOMEBODY ASKS ME SOMETHING SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I WILL BE.
AND IF IT IS AROUND MY, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I'M COMING BACK TO ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANT TO, IF SOMEBODY EMAILS TO ALL COUNSEL, I GENERALLY, I DON'T RESPOND TO IT A BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT AND WE'LL CRAFT AND ALL, AND I FIGURED IF SOMEBODY HAS GOT A QUESTION TO ME, THEY'RE GOING TO ASK ME SPECIFICALLY AND WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.
SOMETIMES IF SOMEBODY GOES AND SENDS INDIVIDUAL EMAILS TO ALL SEVEN OF US, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL I SEE IS WHAT COMES TO ME AND GENERALLY I'M COMING BACK TO THE CITY, HEY, HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THIS? AND SOMETIMES THE RESPONSES DON'T WE'RE HANDLING IT, OR SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE ANSWER.
AND I GO BACK AND GO LOOK, HERE'S KIND OF WHERE IT IS FOR MY SEAT, BUT HE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CITY IF YOU WANT ANY ADDITIONAL DETAIL.
UM, THE PHONE, I USUALLY CHARGE IT ONCE A WEEK.
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REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT I REALLY WANT TO STAY IN THE LOOP ON IS THE CAP METRO STUFF ONLY BECAUSE I'M DOWN HERE THREE OR FOUR TIMES A MONTH.AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING I NEED TO CHECK ON OR WHISPER IN SOMEBODY'S EAR ABOUT, OR, UM, SEE ABOUT PUTTING ON AN AGENDA ITEM THAT I JUST ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME PAGE.
CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO NETWORK WHEN I'M DOWN THERE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
UM, SO THAT I AM IN YOUNGER THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE, BUT, UM, TH THAT I DO WANT TO BE, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE VERY BEST I CAN FOR THE CITY.
AND I CAN'T, IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHERE OUR PRESSURE POINTS ARE ON THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY ANYTHING MORE ONCE THE REC STARTED DOING THE WEEKLY UPDATES BETWEEN THAT AND THE FYI, UM, PEACHY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S MARGARET ATTENDED EVERYTHING I HAD.
I TOLD MY SISTER, THEY KNOW, DO I HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE? KNOW WHAT I WANT AHEAD OF TIME? IT'S MY JOB TO ASK I'M SURE.
AND, UM, COUNSEL MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THERE'S BEEN SOME, SOME TURNOVER WITH THE MAJORITY OF OUR POINTS OF CONTACT AT METRO RECENTLY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WHICHEVER ONE WE TALKED TO ON A REGULAR BASIS IS NO LONGER THERE.
SO WE'RE, RE-ESTABLISHING THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE NEW PEOPLE.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT, I THINK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING UP THAT FIRST MEETING IT'S AUGUST 12TH.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE DOWN IN THE PLANNING GROUP THAT ARE STILL THERE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM.
IT'S MORE, I THINK THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL THAT IS TURNED OVER.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, I JUST MET LAWRENCE LAST WEEK.
UM, SO AS THEY'RE BRINGING PEOPLE ON BOARD, SO HE'S HE'S GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THAT STARTED THE BALL ROLLING TO GET THAT MEETING SET UP.
UM, AND THEN, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW TRAIN GUY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HIRED HIM YET.
CAUSE DAVE, DENNIS LEAVING THE CENTRAL FLORIDA, SOMEBODY ELSE DID THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
I THINK I'M PROBABLY, CAUSE I'VE HEARD THIS FROM MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL PERSON ABOUT WANTING TO BE UPDATED, MORE HEAR ABOUT METRO ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS.
UM, AND OF COURSE COUNCIL NOTICE THAT WE'VE GOT THE HIGHWAY FUNDS, THE 50% PAYMENTS SO WE CAN INITIATE SOME OF OUR PROJECTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OPERATION SIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT THE PASSENGER TRAINS KIND OF CRAWLING THROUGH OUR INTERSECTIONS ON A INFREQUENT BASIS.
UM, AND THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK WE'LL LEAN INTO WHEN WE DO MEET WITH, UH, BORIS TREVINO AND THEN WE CAN UPDATE COUNCIL ON THE PROGRESS OF THOSE MEETINGS.
UM, AS WELL AS THE REPORTS, WE'RE STILL ASKING FOR RIDERSHIP DATA SPECIFIC TO LANDER STATION.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET.
SO AS WE GET THAT INFORMATION, WE'LL PROBABLY ESTABLISH WHETHER IT'S IN OUR WEEKLY EMAILS OR MAYBE IT'S EVEN A STAFF REPORT TO COUNCIL AND A MEETING, UH, GETTING COUNCIL THAT INFORMATION ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT? NO.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S COMING, I JUST ASKED, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS AND IT'S BETTER THAT WE DON'T GO SPECIFICALLY INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, IT ASKS YOU TO JUST ASK IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH WHERE HE'S ABOUT TO GO, I'M OKAY WITH NO, SHE SAID DON'T RUN.
UM, AND THERE'S, UH, THERE'S OTHER FRIENDS TOO, UH, THAT NOT FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT OTHER FRONTS WITHIN THAT WE'LL, WE'LL ENGAGE THE COUNCIL ON AND WHEN WE GET NEW INFORMATION, WE'LL UPDATE YOU.
SO CAN WE NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT I KNOW WHAT I WANTED THE SALES TAX? YEAH.
IS THAT FOR LATER? OR DO YOU KNOW JUST, THIS IS NOTIFICATIONS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S NOT, SHE'S ASKING ABOUT SALES TAX AND US INCORPORATING CAT METRO'S 1% INTO WHEREVER WE DO PRESENTATIONS.
LIKE EVERY TIME WE GET THE SALES TAX REPORT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT, WHAT DID WE GET? WHAT YOU HAVE METRO GET? AND BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, THE, THE SALES TAX REBATE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE.
AT SOME POINT, THERE WILL BE A REPORT THAT SHOWS THE CAP, METRO RECEIVED MORE SALES TAX THAN WE DID IF THAT IS SHOWN IN THE REPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REBATED THIS AMOUNT OF SALES TAX.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE IN THE REPORT.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE RIDERSHIP BROKEN DOWN.
AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN HELP FACILITATE THAT.
HOPEFULLY THE RIDERSHIP BROKEN DOWN FROM THE TRAIN AND, UH, UH, THE, UH,
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I WANT TO SAY ON-DEMAND, BUT THE PICKUP SERVICE AND THE, UH, WAS IT 9 95 OR SOMETHING, WHATEVER THE UNIVERSE SEPARATELY AND TOGETHER.AND THEN THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT DID THAT COST IN THE SALES TAX PER RIDER? ONE WAY, NOT BOTH WAYS, ONE WAY, BECAUSE IF AUSTIN WAS DOING THE SAME THING, THEN IT'S BOTH WAYS.
SO WHAT DID IT COST TO GET ON THAT TRAIN AND RIDE TO AUSTIN? WHAT DID IT COST TO GET ON THAT BUS, TO RIDE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER AND JUST THE AVERAGE OUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THE ILA WE NEED TO INCORPORATE, WHAT DID WE GET THAT? WHAT WERE THE OVERPAYMENTS AND WHAT DID WE ACTUALLY GET THAT BECAUSE NEXT YEAR COULD LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN, THAN WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE DONE ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
WHAT COULD BE QUARTERLY, QUARTERLY? SO WE, WE, UM, BASED, BASED ON OUR, IN A LOCAL RENO, WE BASICALLY WE'VE WORKED WITH CAT METRO ANNUALLY TO ESTABLISH THE NEXT YEAR'S PAYMENT OR THE NEXT YEAR'S, UM, UH, REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNTS THAT'S DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE QUARTERLY UPDATES FOR THE ILA, FOR THE ILA.
SO THE, I THINK IT'S EXHIBIT EIGHT IN THE ILA PROVIDES SORT OF AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT THOSE POTENTIAL REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNTS WOULD BE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ANNUAL QUARTERLY SALES, TAXES, SALES TAX.
AND NO, I, AND I, I HEAR KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THAT THE RIDERSHIP, ONCE WE ESTABLISH A REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH METRO AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GIVE US THE LANDER STATION SPECIFIC INFO, WE CAN DO THAT.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE WHAT YOU NEEDED FROM US ON THIS ITEM? YES.
COUNSEL, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THIS ITEM? I'LL RECAP REAL QUICK.
UM, I THINK WHAT I'LL DO IS, IS, IS WORK WITH RICK AND EXECUTIVE TEAM ABOUT CRAFTING WITH EMAIL IN MIND, UM, A COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR COUNCIL AND EXACTLY HOW WE DO IT, HOW FREQUENTLY, WHAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED.
AND I DO WANT TO MAYBE EXTRACT SOME OF THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL THAT KIND OF OVERLOAD SOME OF THESE MESSAGES, MAYBE MAKE THAT MORE OF AN INDEX FOR COUNSELING.
WE DO THAT LESS FREQUENTLY, BUT YES, I'LL WORK ON THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PD POSTINGS, UM, IF IT'S JUST AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, HEY, PD IS WORKING A THING FOR MORE INFORMATION, THAT'S ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.
LIKE PERSONALLY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I JUST WANT A HEADS UP BEFORE SOME RANDOM PERSON WALKS UP AND SAYS SOMETHING TO ME TWO DAYS LATER.
AND, AND, AND THERE'S SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ENTIRELY ON HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING TO OURSELVES BEFORE WE START PUSHING INFORMATION TO COUNCIL.
SO YEAH, LIKE I DON'T MIND GOING AND READING ABOUT SOMETHING ON SOCIAL, AS LONG AS I KNOW TO GO AND LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALL.
SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ITEM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
UM, DO YOU NEED A BREAK? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WE WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AT 10:55 AM.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL DISCUSSION, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION TO INCLUDE LOTS OF THINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER FROM WHAT'S IN OUR EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH RULES OF PROCEDURE COUNCIL REVIEW AND DISCUSS PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE.
IS ANYBODY GUIDING THIS OR ARE WE DOING THIS HONOR? OKAY.
SO, UM, BACK IN ONE OF OUR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS BACK IN MAY, WHEN WE LEFT THAT EXECUTIVE DISCUSSION SESSION, UM, CHRIS AND I VOLUNTEERED TO WORK WITH PAIGE OR CITY ATTORNEY TO PUT TOGETHER SOME RULES AND PROCEDURES ON HOW WE WOULD GOVERN OURSELVES.
AND SO WHAT YOU WILL FIND IN YOUR PACKET IT'S PAGE SIX, SIX.
YEAH, IT'S SORTA IT'S AFTER THE, JUST TO BE ADDED TO RULES YES.
AND STARTS WITH CHARTER ENFORCEMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE WORKED OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS WITH PAIGE TO CREATE.
UM, WE WANTED A DOCUMENT THAT GAVE US GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE COULD DO THAT ALSO GAVE US OPTIONS AND DID NOT PULL US IN A CORNER.
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AFTER AND COINCIDES WITH THE, UM, ETHICS, COMMISSIONS, RULES, AND PROCEDURES, AND ALSO COINCIDES WITH, UM, PRECEDENT WITH SIMILAR CITIES.AND SO IF YOU HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO QUOTE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND IS WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH THAT WE DO, UM, THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDED THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ADDING IS SOME DEFINITIONS, UM, AROUND, UH, MALFEASANCE, DIRECTION OF STAFF AND MISCONDUCT.
UM, BUT WE'D LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS.
IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE FYI, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS AS, UM, AN AGENDA ITEM FOR NEXT WEEK.
AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FORMAL DISCUSSION AND VOTE AROUND IT.
BUT IF, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE'D LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON, UM, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
ARE THERE ANY THINGS THAT GIVE YOU HEARTBURN OR ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THAT WE HAVE MISSED THE MARK ON THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADDRESS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS? WELL, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER WHAT THE AMENDMENTS ARE? THE PROCESS? SO AS A SUGGESTION, SO SINCE I HAVEN'T READ IT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE'S HAS READ IT.
UM, CHRIS LIKES TO READ OUT LOUD, SO I'LL GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER.
AND LIKE CHRIS, READ OUT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
OR YOU WANT ME TO DO YOU NEED TO READ IT? I MEAN, IF WE STOP AND READ IT, YOU'RE GOING TO READ OUT LOUD AND I'LL BE DISTRACTED IF YOU WANTED TO JUST READ IT OUT LOUD FOR US.
UM, WELL, I CAN SUMMARIZE WHILE W WANT ME TO DO A QUICK SUMMARY AND THEN WHILE WE READ IT OR DO YOU REALLY WANT IT TO BE READ RIGHT NOW? UM, IF YOU CAN SUMMARIZE IT, THAT'S FINE.
OR IF YOU WANT TO READ IT, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE I'LL BE, I WILL READ IT SEPARATELY.
BUT THIS WOULD GIVE US THE CONTEXT FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, WHY DON'T I GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY? UM, SO YOU CAN DO THIS AND THEN WE'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO READ IT.
UM, AND I WON'T SAY ANYTHING WHILE YOU READ IT.
SO, UM, I THINK SUMMARIZING THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING, HEY, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN PART OF OUR COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES.
UM, WE HAVE RECENTLY, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER IN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER A SURVEY THAT CAME BACK THAT WAS PRESENTED BY A CONSULTANT.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT IF WE ARE OUR OWN, IF WE ARE, WE ARE GOVERNING OURSELVES AS A CITY COUNCIL, WHEN YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UM, DOCUMENTATION OR SOME TYPE OF PROCEDURES TO MAKE THIS A VERY SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE PROCESS, IF WE ARE FOLLOWING THE CHARTER OR YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE CHARTER, THERE'VE BEEN SO MANY THINGS OVER OVER YEARS, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE AND PROBABLY PRIOR, AND WE JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO CONTINUE TO HAVE TO GO ON.
WE WANTED TO HAVE CLEAR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OURSELVES AND BETWEEN OUR STAFF.
AND WHEN WE GET TO THIS, NOT TO GO TO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FEEDBACK, UM, FROM, FROM OUR STAFF.
SO THAT SAYS THAT THERE IS A BREAKDOWN HERE, RIGHT? AND SO RATHER THAN GOING AND GOING THROUGH ANY OF THOSE THINGS, UM, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS NOT LIKE A, HEY, WHERE WE ARE.
THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANYBODY, MYSELF, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.
THIS IS, HEY, LET, THIS IS VERY SERIOUS.
LET'S HAVE, LET'S HAVE A VERY CLEAR POLICY AND LET'S FOLLOW THIS THING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT VERBALLY.
AND NOW IT'S TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE SPIRIT BEHIND IT IS NOT AN ACCUSATION.
IT'S MORE OF, SO HERE ARE OUR GUIDELINES AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ONE FOR IT, BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS DOCUMENT SAYS.
AND THIS DOCUMENT BEING OUR CITY CHARTER, AND IT'S BACKED UP BY OUR COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE ALSO SAYING, THESE ARE THE WAYS THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING OURSELVES.
AND THIS IS THE WAY THE COMMUNICATION SHOULD WE GO IN, UM, IN THE CITY AS WELL, TOO.
SO, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS YOU HAVE, UM, A PROCESS IN WHICH, UM, IF SOMEBODY HAD, UH, THERE WAS A VIOLATION OF PROCESS IN WHICH, UM, THINGS WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, THERE'S EVEN A PROCESS OF IF THESE THINGS WERE NOT, UM, IF THESE THINGS WERE, WERE BASELESS AND ANYBODY WHO WAS TRYING TO PLAY GAMES OR DOES ANY KIND OF POLITICAL STUNT, THERE ARE WAYS FOR THAT PERSON TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS, THIS IS A SERIOUS PROCESS.
SO EVERYBODY'S PROTECTED HERE.
UM, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE BECKY SAID, THIS IS MORE SO IT'S, IT'S OUTLINED SIMILAR TO, UM, UH, AFTER THE ETHICS COMMISSION DOCUMENTS.
AND, UM, THE BIGGEST THING HERE WOULD BE JUST IF THERE'S COMPLAINTS, THINGS ARE FOUND TO BE, UH, PRESENTED THE RIGHT WAY TO THE CITY, TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, OUR CITY SECRETARY, IT WOULD COME BEFORE OUR COUNCIL.
AND WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DECIDE HOW YOU DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UM, DO WE, ULTIMATELY, WE WERE, WE ARE, WE ARE GOVERNING OURSELVES.
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UH, DO WE TAKE IT ON OURSELVES? DO WE REFER IT TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS IN HERE THAT WOULD SPECIFICALLY SAY, THIS IS HOW IT WOULD GO? UM, THERE ARE OTHER THING FROM, UH, LIKE AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT OR KIND OF, WHAT WOULD WE CALL THEM? WE CALLED THEM COURSES OF ACTION.SO THAT WAY THAT'S NOT, UH, OFFENSIVE WORD TO ANYBODY TOO, BUT COURSES OF ACTION, IF SOMETHING WAS VIOLATED AND IT WAS FOUND TO BE VIOLATED, UH, WE CAN DO ANYTHING FROM REFER SOMEBODY TO TRAINING A CABINET CONVERSATION, UM, DOING A SIMPLE LETTER SAYING, HEY, WE KNOW THIS WAS UNINTENTIONAL, BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE.
SO PLEASE REFRAIN FROM THIS, UM, TO GETTING A LITTLE BIT THERE'S LIKE, I WOULD JUST CALL THEM MORE FORMAL HAND SLAPS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE CENTER.
AND THEN ALSO REFERRING EVERYBODY BACK TO WHAT OUR CITY CHAIR CHARTER SAYS, WHICH IT SAYS THAT THERE'S HABITUAL, HABITUAL VIOLATIONS HERE.
AND THESE CERTAIN THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SAID, UM, IT WAS MALFEASANCE AND, AND, UH, ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UH, UH, DIRECTING, UH, DEFINITION OF DIRECTING STAFF OF ON THERE.
BUT IF THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, AT SOME POINT, IT SAYS, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TOO.
AND SO I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO EVER BE THE CASE WITH US, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING FOR US AND FUTURE COUNCILS TO JUST HAVE A VERY CLEAR PROCEDURE IN HERE, I'M SAYING, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
AND SO WE'RE WHAT, IN ADDITION TO THIS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS POSSIBLE DEFINITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S EVEN BLACK AND WHITE AND THERE'S NO VAGUENESS BETWEEN, UM, WHAT SOMEBODY INTERPRETS SOMETHING TO ME.
AND BASICALLY, I GUESS, TO GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF THAT, THAT, UM, IF SOMEONE, WHETHER IT'S A CITIZEN OR ONE OF US THAT HAS A COMPLAINT COMPLAINT HAS TO BE A SWORN STATEMENT, SUBMITTED TO THE CITY SECRETARY IN WRITING WITH AND BACKUP OF WHATEVER IS BEING THE ACCUSATION IS.
AND THEN THAT ACCUSER ALSO HAS 10 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS, TO PULL IT OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
SO THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO FILE A COMPLAINT, NOT FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO FIND, IS THAT NORMAL THAT A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND FILE A COMPLAINT THAT SOMEBODY IS VIOLATING CHART, BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHARTER IS, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S A PROCESS OF MAKING SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY IS A VIABLE, LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO FIND IT, IF IT IS, UH, IT IS ACTUALLY A LEGITIMATE CLAIM HERE.
UM, AND THERE'S IN THE, IN THE SECOND PART OF THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO READ THE SECOND PORTION AS WELL, TO TWO MORE START TO THE, TO THE MAYOR.
UM, IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WAS EVER AN INSTANCE WHERE SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IS JUST TRYING TO, TO THROW STUFF AROUND HERE, LIKE THERE IS A COURSE OF ACTION TO, UM, TO, UH, LIKE THERE'S EVEN CRIMINAL PROSECUTION IS EVEN WHAT I THINK THERE'S WHAT WENT INTO, IF WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE, UM, IF THERE WAS EVER AN ISSUE ON THAT SIDE TOO.
BUT WE HAVE THAT FOR ETHICS AND NOBODY EVER DOES THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE WITH ETHICS IS PEOPLE USE IT.
WE'RE SICK OF THINGS, GETTING DISMISSED.
THAT'S I GOT, I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE SICK OF THINGS GETTING DISMISSED.
SO THAT'S WHY WE THAT'S THAT THAT'S THE SPIRIT BEHIND US, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM.
WELL, NO, I MEAN LIKE THE BASELESS COMPLAINT, RIGHT? LIKE IT IS JUST MISSED THE COMPLAINT ITSELF IS, BUT THERE'S NO, NOBODY GOES AFTER THE PERSON WHO MADE THE BASELESS COMPLAINT.
I THINK HE'S SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE, AND IS THERE ALSO SOME SOMETHING IN HERE FOR STAFF TO REPORT BECAUSE IT ISN'T LIKE WE WOULD ALWAYS SEE IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T SAY WHO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT EVEN SAYS IN HERE TOO, THAT, UM, ONE OF THE PAGES RECOMMENDATIONS WAS IF IT WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO LET'S SAY IT WAS, UH, DAVID, UH, BELIEVES I DID SOMETHING WRONG.
IT TURNS IT INTO THE CITY SECRETARY.
WHAT, WHAT THEN HAPPENS IS, UH, DAVID IS REPORTING THAT AS A CITIZEN OF LEANDER, RIGHT.
HE'S TAKING HIMSELF OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION.
AND THEN I'M ALSO REMOVED FROM THAT DISCUSSION.
AND THE FIVE-YEAR MEN IN COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
I GUESS WHAT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
IF I SAY, HEY, ROBERT, I, I NEED YOU TO DO THIS REPORT FOR ME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT THIS REPORT.
I WANT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, I'M DIRECTING HIM TO DO THAT.
WELL, TO ME, I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT IF I HAVE, IF I'VE DONE THAT.
AND IT IS OUT OF THE SCOPE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ROBERT WOULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, HEY, JUST SO YOU NEVER COUNT IN IS DIRECTING ME AND ASKING ME TO DO THINGS.
AND, UM, DID SHE GO THROUGH YOU FIRST? AND IF HE SAYS NO, THEN THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A REASON THAT ROBERT COULD SAY NO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, HOW WOULD WE NOT THAT'S EXACTLY, EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO I GUESS IN THERE, THERE'S THAT EXPECTATION THAT THAT STAFF WILL HELP US BE ACCOUNTABLE AND HELP US FOLLOW NOT TO GET SOMEBODY IN TROUBLE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDURES.
THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S TRUE.
AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN AS WELL TOO IS BECAUSE THERE'S THERE.
UM, WE'RE SEEING A REPORT BACK THAT SAYS THAT ON THE HIGHER MANAGEMENT
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LEVEL HERE AT OUR CITY, THAT THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A BREAKDOWN THERE.SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO HELP BY BRINGING IT BACK TO ELEMENTARY CONCEPT OF THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS, THIS IS HOW WE DO IT.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO DECIDE IF ANYTHING ELSE, IF THERE'S ANY LENIENCY IN THAT, OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
BUT, UM, FOR MY TIME HERE AND SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS, ONLY THREE YEARS, BUT REALLY, REALLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S JUST, THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS FLYING AROUND ABOUT HE, SHE, WHATEVER, THIS AND THAT, AND IT ALWAYS PUTS EVERYBODY IN A, AND THIS IS MULTIPLE PEOPLE HERE, MULTIPLE SITUATIONS, STAFF WISE AND COUNSEL WISE.
AND IT WOULD BE JUST BETTER FOR EVERYBODY IF WE WENT BACK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, RON'S THING ABOUT THE FULCRUM, IF IT, IF WE DON'T RESET THAT, AND EVEN WHAT EVEN THE TRAINING WENT THROUGH YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, ON OUR, ON OUR LUNCH BREAK, IF WE DON'T RESET THAT AND, AND START ON A CLEAN SLATE AND MOVE FORWARD, THEN IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS FOR THE HEALTH OF THE CITY.
I THINK THAT WE WOULD GET SUPPORT FROM STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT IN THEIR RESPONSES.
AND I THINK WE ALSO DESIRE TO, TO HAVE CLEAR COMMUNICATION AND EXPECTATIONS.
WELL, AND I THINK THIS REALLY, I MEAN, YES, THE DIRECTING STAFF IS A PIECE OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S MUCH BROADER THAN THAT.
AND WE ALL AGREED WHEN WE WERE SWORN IN PART OF OUR AGREEMENT IS BEING CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE IS THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW THE CITY CHARTER AND WHAT IT OUTLINES, BUT WE SUPPORT IT.
BUT, BUT WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT'S REALLY MORE THAT STATEMENT.
THERE'S NO MECHANISM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.
AND, AND TO CHRIS'S POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE, WELL, HE DID THIS, OR THEY DID THAT OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S NO BASIS.
AND SO IT'S, SO NOW WITHIN US, IT'S LIKE, IF YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR NAME ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL.
AND IF IT'S, AND IF IT'S BASELESS, THEN THERE'S, THERE'S AN AVENUE FOR US TO DO THAT.
IF IT'S NOT BASELESS, THEN COUNCIL HAS, HAS IT IN WRITING THAT, THAT, UM, AND IF IT IS TO COUNSEL PEOPLE, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE REMAINING FIVE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT CAN DECIDE WHAT THAT BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS.
IT MAY BE TO DO SOMETHING AND THAT THEY'RE IN, THEN THERE'S NO, HARD-PRESSED, YOU KNOW, FIRST DEFENSE IS THIS SECOND OFFENSE IS THIS.
IT ALLOWS THE COUNCIL, THE DISCRETION TO FIGURE OUT HOW BIG OF A SCREW UP WAS IT AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH IT.
AND SO YOU TAKE THAT ALL THE, HE SAID, SHE SAID, IT'S, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROVED.
IT HAS TO, IF WHEN YOU READ IT, IT SAYS IT HAS TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
YOU KNOW, DAVID JUST CAN'T TELL ME SOMETHING THAT I GO GO WELL, DAVID SAID SUCH AND SUCH.
IF I HAVE TO HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF IT, TO BE ABLE TO REPORT IT OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND TO ME, THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND IT WAS ALSO IMPORTANT TO ME THAT IT FALLS IN LINE WITH ETHICS.
WE COULD ALSO DECIDE AS THE, THE FIVE REMAINING THAT ARE LEFT, WE COULD DECIDE IT'S BETTER REFERRED TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT REFERRAL TO YOU.
SO ON THAT THE FIVE THAT ARE LEFT, TYPICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THINGS, BUT NOT BREAK QUORUM, YOU CAN TALK TO TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
CAN WE PUT A PROVISION IN HERE THAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT FIVE AND YOU'RE TALKING TO TWO OTHERS, YOU'VE NOW GOT, I COULD ACTUALLY REFRAIN IN HERE.
I THOUGHT WE PUT, I THINK PAIGE PUTS SOMETHING IN HERE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ABOUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT UNLESS THE WHOLE GROUPS TOGETHER OR SOMEBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I DID REMEMBER READING THAT IN THE MAYOR'S EXAMPLE THERE, YOU WOULDN'T BE, GO TALK TO ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
YOU WOULDN'T TALK TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU WERE TOGETHER.
UM, SO THAT IT WOULD BE ALL PROBABLY, UH, IT WOULD ASSUME THIS WOULD BE AN EXECUTIVE, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION, UH, BETWEEN THE REMAINING FIVE COUNSELORS.
WELL, DOES IT, UM, WOULD, WOULD THEY HAVE THE SAME OPTION THAT LIKE A STAFF MEMBER WOULD HAVE OF, I WANT THIS IN PUBLIC, SO YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE IN SECTION FOUR, THERE'S A LIMITATIONS PROVISION AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, OH, I SEE.
MAY NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ARE THERE.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEAK ABOUT, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE COMPLAINT EXCEPT AS THE BODY TOGETHER.
UM, THE SECOND, SECOND PART OF THIS WILL BE THAT, UM, AS FAR AS EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION GOES, THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THERE'S TWO MECHANISMS TO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION.
ONE WOULD BE TO TAKE LEGAL ADVICE.
AND THE SECOND WOULD BE TO, UM, IT'S THE PERSONNEL OFFICIAL EXCEPTION.
UM, IF YOU'RE TAKING LEGAL ADVICE, THEN THAT CAN BE HELD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT IT'S JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF TAKING LEGAL ADVICE,
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BUT DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF THE ISSUE THAT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE 5 51 0 7 4, WHERE YOU CAN DELIBERATE ABOUT A PUBLIC OFFICIAL OR AN EMPLOYEE.AND THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL, WHO IS THE SUBJECT OF THE COMPLAINT CAN CHOOSE THAT IT'D BE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE CHOICE OF INDIVIDUAL WHO'S COMPLAINED ABOUT.
AND DOES THAT THEN OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YOU HAVE TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA UNDER CURRENT STATE LAW.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS OR CITIZENS CAN FOLLOW THEM IN PLATE AND EVEN HOLDING THE CITIZEN ACCOUNTABLE.
IF THERE'S, THAT'S A BASELESS COMPLAINT, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST BEING A BIG ADDICTIVE AS THE WAY THEIR COMPLAINT FORM IS SET UP.
WHEN A SWORN STATEMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE TEETH TO MAKE THE PERJURY CHARGES THAT IT'S AS BASELESS COMPLAINT, IT WAS JUST COMPLETE SURGERY.
THIS, THIS TRACKS, THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, AS FAR AS PROCESS GOES, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS THAT YOU USE.
UM, AND THAT'S ESTABLISHED THE SWORN COMPLAINT IS SUPPOSED TO ESTABLISH THE BASIS FOR IF IT IS, IF IT IS FALSE, THAT THERE IS A PERJURY, A POTENTIAL PERJURY, UM, ISSUE THAT'S RAISED.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? I'M NOT SURE IF I'M, AS I'M HEARING THAT.
YES, IT IS A PROSECUTOR PROSECUTED IN CASE, UM, BECAUSE WE WE'VE MET THAT REQUIREMENT WITH THE AFFIDAVIT THAT THEY FILLED OUT, THE, THE BASELESS CHARGE PROVISION THAT APPLIES TO THAT STATES THAT ANY PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY FILES A FALSE SWORN STATEMENT UNDER THIS CHAPTER IS SUBJECT TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION FOR PERJURY UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS PENAL CODE 37.02.
AND SO THE, IT TRACKS WHAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED FOR AN ETHICS VIOLATION.
IN SOMETHING ELSE THAT PAIGE HAD MENTIONED WAS ANYTHING THERE ON THAT BC AND D AT THE VERY, THE LAST PAGE THERE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE, YEAH, I'D HAVE TO BE DONE BY ORNAMENTS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUBJECT TO ALL THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AT THE TIME.
AND WHETHER, IF THE COUNSEL REFERS A MATTER TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE DA WOULD VIEW THAT AND PURSUE IT, IT WOULD, IT'D BE UP TO THE, TO THEM, HOW THEY PERCEIVE, WHAT IF IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT, CAUSE IT SAYS YOU CAN FILE A COMPLAINT UP TO TWO YEARS AFTER THE VIOLATION.
WE HAVE THREE YEAR TERMS. SO WHAT IF IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS GONE OR ON THEIR WAY OUT, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK THE WAY YOU'D BE LIKE A PUBLICLY SENSOR, SOMEBODY THAT'S GONE, WE TALKED TO THEM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TYRO TIMEFRAME.
BUT THE REASON WHY IT'S TWO YEARS IS BECAUSE IT FOLLOWS WITH THE ETHICS.
SO I THINK IF IT'S CHANGED, IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED GLOBALLY.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON, BUT WE DID, I WANTED A MUCH SHORTER TIMEFRAME AND BY CITIZEN CAN DO IT.
IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF SOMEBODY WAS IN COUNSELING, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY COULD FILE A COMPLAINT AT ANY TIME.
SO HOW DO WE HANDLE IT? IT WOULD BE THE SAME WAY, EITHER NOT IN COUNSELING OR NOT.
I GUESS THAT'S ONE PERSON THAT ONE PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DISMISSED FROM A MEETING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY HAS LEFT FILES A COMPLAINT AGAINST SOMEONE THAT'S STILL IN RESIDENCY, SORRY, HOW ABOUT THIS? AND WE CAN DECIDE WE HAD THE, WE HAVE, SO LET'S JUST SAY LET'S, LET'S SAY, UM, HE WON'T MIND ME USING HIM.
SO LET'S SAY WE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER SHOT HAD JUST LEFT MOST RECENTLY AND SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC BRINGS UP SOMETHING AND IT WAS, UH, HERE'S, THE ISSUE.
HERE'S THE VIOLATION SAYS UP TO TWO YEARS, THIS IS WHAT I WANT.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO SUBMIT.
WELL, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO.
WE'LL WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK THAT OVER.
CAUSE IT'S CAUSE IT IS A COMPLAINT AND IT'S REALLY, IF IT'S VALID, IT'S VALID.
AND THEN WE DECIDED AS THE COUNCIL, WHAT WE DO THERE IN OUR, AND OUR DECISION MIGHT BE, OH YEAH, WE, WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SHOW THAT THE SHOW, THE PUBLIC, THAT WE DO NOT CONDONE THIS BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND WE SAY, WE WANT TO HAVE, HAVE AN ACTUAL LETTER AND WE WANT IT TO LIKE PUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUBLISHED.
AND WE WANT, PUT IT ON A WEBSITE WHERE WE CAN SAY, THIS PERSON OBVIOUSLY NOT LIVE WITH US ANYMORE.
AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
LET'S LET'S THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT TO DO.
OTHERWISE THE COURSE OF ACTION WOULD PROBABLY BE THIS.
SO WE HAVE COMPLETE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING WE WANT WITH THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE PEOPLE NOT, UM, SUBMIT A VIOLATION, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TREAT IT HOWEVER WE WANT TO TREAT IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IN THAT CASE, LIKE I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY ELSE'S OPINION,
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BUT IN THAT CASE, I MEAN, COMMON SENSE WOULD TELL ME IT DOES NO GOOD FOR US TO GO, TRY TO MESS WITH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT IF SOMEBODY IS NOT HERE, IT DOES GET TO US TO EDUCATE OURSELVES ON.IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED TO SET EXPECTATIONS WITH OUR CURRENT COUNSEL OF WHAT IT CAN SHED LIGHT ON A BIGGER ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND AS THAT PERSON AND I, AND THIS IS NOT, UM, UH, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO FOR US RIGHT NOW.
CAUSE AGAIN, IT GOES WITH THE ETHICS.
THIS IS NOT A TIMELY THING TO SAY, OH, WE BETTER HURRY UP BECAUSE TWO YEARS AGO THIS HAPPENED, THIS IS GOING FORWARD, CLEAN SLATE.
THAT'S MORE FOR SAYING LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S DO THINGS APPROPRIATELY HERE.
THAT, THAT IS THE SPIRIT BEHIND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH PAGE.
AND THAT WAS WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD OUR, WHAT WE WERE VOLUNTEERING TO DO WITH SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SORT OF CREATING THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING IN.
THAT WAS THE SPIRIT IN WHICH WE DID THIS.
SO KATHERINE DID FREE FOR YOU.
YOU'LL READING IT, BUT WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALMOST EVERY MAIN POINT.
I'M JUST SAYING ALMOST EVERY MAIN POINT HERE, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
THAT THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF REALLY WHAT'S IN HERE TOO.
WELL, I THINK I'M HEARING BACK TO IS LIKE DEFINITIONS OF TERMS. SO THERE'S NOT A GREAT AREA.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THAT'S, IF IT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE DAD TO A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS, SO THAT WAY THERE'S, THERE'S NO GUESSING.
UM, THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE HEARD.
SO YOU SAID NOT GOING BACK, THIS IS JUST GOING FORWARD.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, WE'RE NOT THIS, IT SAYS THAT THIS IS THE DOCUMENT SAYS THIS TWO YEARS IS WHAT IT SAYS.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE LINING IT UP WITH WHAT THE ETHICS DOCUMENT SAYS.
AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE BOTH.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF, UM, THE, THE INTENT IS NOT TO WORK THIS ISN'T, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, HOW ABOUT, LET ME JUST BE VERY ABOUT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO A BIG GOTCHA ON SOMETHING OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND WE THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TIME TO, TO, TO COME TOGETHER ON THIS.
I DON'T AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I THINK THAT IF THERE IS A COMPELLING CASE THAT SOMEBODY HAS VIOLATED THE CHARTER, IT SHOULD BE A SWORN STATEMENT.
BUT IT SHOULD BE FILED BY ONE OF US BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THE CHARTER THAT WE ARE THE JUDGES OF IT, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING THIS BIG SHOULD BE A COUNCIL PROCEDURE.
I'LL LET PAIGE ANSWER FIRST BECAUSE, CAUSE I WOULD, CAUSE I SAID IF I HAD TO PROP, SO I HAD AN ISSUE WITH, IF I HAVE THE PROBLEM, IF I'M THE ONE WHO'S SAYING THAT DAVID DID THIS AND SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
AND I HAD THE PROBLEM, I ACTUALLY HAD A PROBLEM WITH MYSELF BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW? UH, BUT I, I THINK BECAUSE NOW I'M A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND I'M, AND I'M TAKING MYSELF OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, AND NOW DAVID'S OUT OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.
I JUST WANT PAGE'S OPINION ON, UM, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR IS, IS IT IMPORTANT FOR US, FOR ALL CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS UP? BECAUSE IF I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS IN THIS DOCUMENT.
I'M LIKE, I'M NOW SAYING I'M MAKING THIS CLAIM AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
I MEAN, SOME OF THIS IS COUNCIL'S CREATING ITS RULES AND DECIDING WHAT YOU THINK WILL WORK BEST TO CAUSE THE CHARTER TO ENFORCE APPROPRIATELY FOR THE COMPLAINT TO BE FILED IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE PERSON HAS TO HAVE A PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.
SO THEY CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE A RUMOR.
IT CAN'T BE, I HEARD IT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A, THEY HAVE TO HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT.
UM, AND SO THAT IS ONE LEVEL OF WE NEED YEAH, WEEDING, WEEDING OUT THE COMPLAINTS.
THE SECOND THING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S, IF INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FILE THE COMPLAINT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT COUNSEL CAN'T FILE COMPLAINTS AGAINST EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU MAY BE THE ONES THAT'S MORE DIRECTLY SEE THE ISSUES GOING ON.
WHEN WE SAY IN HERE THAT THE COUNCIL INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER IS A CITIZEN AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, WHEN THEY FILE A COMPLAINT, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S TRACKING THE LANGUAGE IN THE ETHICS ORDINANCE.
AND THAT'S JUST REALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OKAY, IF YOU'RE FILING THE COMPLAINT, YOUR ROLE NOW
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IS NOW AS THE COMPLAINANT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE BOTH COMPLAINANT AND VOTE AND DELIBERATE BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE SOME, YOU MAY HAVE LOST SOME OBJECTIVITY THERE.AND SO YOU NEED TO JUST KIND OF STAND BACK, BRING IT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
I LET THE COUNCIL DECIDE WHETHER THE FACTS ARE CORRECT OR THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUE GOING ON.
SO AS FAR AS YOU BEING A CITIZEN, CALLING YOU A CITIZEN AND THEN SAYING, IT'S NOT OPEN TO CITIZENS, THAT WOULDN'T BLOCK A COUNCIL MEMBER FROM MAKING, MAKING THE COMPLAINT.
UM, SO THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS IS AS FAR AS WHETHER YOU OPEN IT UP TO THE FULL CITIZENSHIP, I, I SUSPECT THAT WHAT IS A CONCERN WOULD BE WHY SOMEONE MAKING THE COMPLAINT IS, IS THERE, ARE THERE POLITICS INVOLVED? ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED? AND SO WHAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO DECIDE IS OKAY, IT BEING A SWORN COMPLAINT AND HAVING TO BE A SWORN COMPLAINT AND THERE BEING A PROVISION FOR BASELESS COMPLAINTS, IS THAT ENOUGH TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT.
THERE'S TWO OTHER KIND OF GATEKEEPER FUNCTIONS ON THESE COMPLAINTS.
ONE IS IF, IF THE SWORN COMPLAINT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION TWO A, THEN IT, IT GETS KICKED BACK AND THAT PERSON HAS TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN IT'S NOT GOING FORWARD.
BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, IS THIS A VIOLATION OF THE CITY CHARTER THAT'S BEING ALLEGED? AND IF IT'S NOT, AND IT KICKED OUT ALSO, SO THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF GATEKEEPER FUNCTION THERE, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH GATEKEEPER FUNCTIONS IN HERE THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE MORE OPEN? UM, DO WE HAVE AN, A PROTECTIONS AGAINST BASIS COMPLAINTS OR OTHER KIND OF OTHER THINGS MOTIVATING THE COMPLAINTS TO KEEP IT OPEN? I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO DO SOME DEFINITIONS TOO, BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN, LIKE HAVING TO DO THE CHARTER REVISIONS, UM, SOMETIMES THE WORDING OF THE CHARTER AND THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARTER ARE IN CONFLICT.
AND SO LIKE GOING TO THE OBVIOUS EXAMPLE OF, UH, DIRECTING STAFF, WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT COUNCIL LIAISONS.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME BOARDS WHERE WE'VE GOT A COUNCIL LIAISON AND A STAFF LIAISON, AND THE STAFF LIAISON IS NOT THE CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER HAS BETTER THINGS TO DO.
AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE YOUR COUNCIL LIAISON IS TALKING ABOUT ACTION ITEMS WITH THE STAFF LIAISON, TECHNICALLY UNDER THE CHARTER, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, THAT'S A VIOLATION BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PUT THAT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT GOES ON IN YOUR MEETING, UM, OR LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UH, APPROVING THE AGENDA EVERY OTHER WEEK, THAT'S SOMETHING DARREN, I WORK OUT, UM, AND RICK HAS FREQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, CC'D, BUT YOU KNOW, DARREN AND I ARE WORKING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND HOW WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING THINGS AROUND UNDER THE WORDING.
SOMEBODY COULD FILE THAT COMPLAINT AND SAY, LOOK, YOU JUST DIRECTED STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS AGENDA.
UM, BUT UNDER THE SPIRIT, WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THERE'S.
THAT'S, THAT'S MORE, THAT'S MORE THAN THAT.
THERE'S WHY ISN'T HE IN? WHY ISN'T HE DOING IT WITH YOU? LIKE FOR, SO FOR ME, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S THERE.
UM, RATHER THAN JUST THAT CONVERSATION GOING ON THERE TOO, IF IT'S SOMETHING AS BIG AS THAT, WHY WOULDN'T HE BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT IN TANDEM? SO WHAT THAT, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO, BUT I GET WEIRD.
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, THIS IS TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO PULL US TOGETHER AND TRYING TO, AND TRY TO GET US BACK IN LINE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT FREQUENTLY, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS JUST A DISAPPROVAL OVER AND OVER OF A LOT OF WHAT I DO.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFFLINE, BUT THAT IS WHAT I'M FEELING FOR ME.
AND I, AND I HEAR, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU HAD ISSUES WITH MY WANT OF COMMUNICATION.
YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH HOW WE WORK OUT THE AGENDA.
YOU HAD ISSUES WITH OTHER THINGS I SAID YESTERDAY, LIKE THAT I'M, THAT I SPEAK IN PUBLIC AS PART OF MY ROLE, THIS ISN'T A PERSONAL ATTACK, BUT THAT'S HOW IT'S FEELING.
AND YOU CAN, AND I CAN'T CHANGE THE WAY THAT YOU FEEL THERE.
UM, BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS SAY THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS DO HURT US AS A CITY.
AND SO I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THAT THAN HOW YOU FEEL ON A PERSONAL FEELINGS, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSONAL THINGS AND IT'S NOT INTENTIONAL AND I'M NOT TRYING TO HURT YOU.
I AM TRYING TO BRING THE CITY TOGETHER.
WHAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE IS SOME COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US, OF WHERE YOU SEE THE ISSUES.
I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE WHAT I DO AS WELL.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ME, RIGHT? YOU, YOU JUST, AS I AM MAKING A JUDGMENT ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU'RE ALSO MAKING JUDGEMENTS ABOUT WHAT I DO.
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IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE OR A CONCERN, JUST TALK TO HIM, I'VE DONE THAT.AND I WON'T SAY WHAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT WAS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I ASKED A VERY DIRECT QUESTION AND YOU, WHEN YOU WEREN'T WILLING TO DO WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE CITY, THAT'S WHEN MY OPINION GOT FORMED THERE.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, AFTER THE MEETING, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO TO GET US BACK ON TRACK AND, AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR POINT MAYOR IS BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE DIRECTING STAFF, I MEAN, BASED ON THE SURVEY THAT CAME BACK BASED ON JUST CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH SOME PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN I, CAUSE I KNOW WHEN CHRIS AND I HAD BEEN DISCUSSION OF ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT CAUSE PART OF ME IS LIKE, HOW CAN EVERYTHING GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGERS TOO MUCH? UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A PLACE.
AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AN HOUR OR SO AGO IS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO SET A POLICY.
UM, AND WHAT, AND WHAT YOU DO ABSOLUTELY WANT TO BE CC'D ON EVERYTHING.
IN FACT, I EVEN CCG ON A COMMUNICATION YESTERDAY THAT I WAS LIKE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY RICK NEEDS TO KNOW THIS, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU HAD SAID, RICK, IT'S EVERYTHING.
AND I REALLY HOPE RICK'S GOT HIS OUTLOOK SET UP THAT ALL BECKY STUFF GOES INTO SOME RANDOM FOLDER THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT READ.
BUT, UM, BUT IT'S, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF IT'S EITHER THESE TOPICS OR THESE THINGS, OR, YOU KNOW, I'M BLESSED THAT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY SECRETARY WHERE I DON'T NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE AGENDA SETTING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM WHERE YOU FOR THE CITY MANAGER IS TO DO THAT SO THAT WE ALL ARE OPERATING WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF, AND IF YOU WANT TO BE CC'D ON EVERYTHING, THEN BY ALL MEANS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LINED OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER SO THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND TO KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HEARD CHRIS AND I HAD TALKED, I GO, WELL, MAN, IF I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT X, Y, AND Z, YOU KNOW, I MAY PICK UP, CAUSE I DON'T THINK HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH ROBIN IS DIRECTING ROBIN A BIT OF ACID, ROBYN.
I WANT YOU TO DO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I WOULD NEVER, I WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I WOULD TALK TO YOU, BUT IT'S ABOUT FIGURING THOSE THINGS OUT.
CAUSE I'M LIKE, WELL WE HAVE, MAYBE ROBIN IS GOING MAN, WRECKING CALLS ME TOO MUCH.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO DO THAT, BUT I HAVE THAT EXPECTATION.
THEN THEIR PROBLEM GOES, BECKY EUROPE, I HEAR YOU.
AND HOW CAN YOU LIMIT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE TUESDAY CALLS? SURE.
AND THAT SOMEBODY ELSE MAY GET OFFENDED BY THAT.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS, IF YOU JUST HAVE IT SPELLED OUT, LIKE THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, THIS IS NOT SETTLED BECAUSE ACCORDING TO SURVEY, YEAH, THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS FOR YEARS, RIGHT? THE WHOLE THING.
SO THAT THE, THE INTENT OF THIS IS NOT ABOUT DIRECTING STAFF.
THE INTENT OF THE DESK IS ABOUT, IF SOMEBODY SAYS THAT WE'RE VIOLATING ONE OF US OR WHATEVER, THAT WE'RE VIOLATING CHARTER, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS TO THE END AND TAKE THE DRAMA OUT OF IT.
I USE THE EXAMPLE OF DIRECTING STAFF, BUT ALSO WE ARE, IF WE ARE MEETING WITH STAFF WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER THAT IS GOING OVER HIS HEAD AND GOING DIRECT TO DEPARTMENT HEADS OR WHATEVER, AND THAT IS AGAINST THE CHARTER.
UM, IF I RECALL, SO THAT IS, THAT IS SO EASY TO FIX.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE'RE NOT DOING A GREAT, DO YOU MIND IF I TALK TO CAMERON, WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S MY APPROACH ACTUALLY IS IT HAS BEEN EVEN WITH THE PRIOR COUNSEL, JUST STAFF OR COUNCIL, LET ME KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THE SUBJECT AND THAT'S IT BECAUSE SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THE COUNCIL WON'T WERE ASKED, OKAY, I WANT TO TALK TO PLANNING ABOUT THIS, BUT THEN THEY'LL ASK THE QUESTION AND I'LL GO.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INVOLVE DAN BECAUSE IT'S AT THIS PHASE.
SO I'LL JUST SUGGEST THAT, THAT HE'S ALSO INCLUDED AND THAT'S IT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GET BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS BECAUSE LIKE AT LIBERTY FEST, THERE'S STAFF THERE THAT WE DON'T INTERFACE WITH REGULARLY AND THEY'LL COME UP TO US AND START TALKING.
SO NOW IS THAT A VIOLATION? RIGHT? IF I'M WALKING THROUGH THE BUILDING AND I RUN INTO DARRA OR STEPHANIE AND THEY SAY, OH, HEY, DID YOU SEE THAT EMAIL THE OTHER DAY? DO WE HAVE TO SAY STOP? I NEED TO GO FIND THE CITY MANAGER, WHETHER OR NOT HE'S IN THE BUILDING AND MAKE SURE I HAVE PERMISSION TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS EMAIL.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT'S WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE PERFECT PATIENT, NOT DIRECTING, THAT'S HAVING A CONVERSATION DIRECTING IS GOING
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WELL.BUT CAN YOU PULL THESE REPORTS BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW THIS.
SO WILL YOU PULL THESE FOUR REPORTS FOR ME? THAT'S DIRECTING STAFF TO PULL REPORTS AND THERE'S, AND TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S THE DEFINING LINE, BUT ALL THINGS I THINK IT ALL COMES DOWN TO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A BIGGER ISSUE THAN DIRECTING STAFF.
UM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US IF RICK, IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO CREATE YOUR, HOW YOU WANT COUNCIL TO COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF AND TO SEND THAT OUT TO ALL OF US AND TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, I'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST AND I'LL DO IT.
AND IT MORE I'LL DO IN A MEMO.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE SENT OUT QUARTERLY.
AND I THINK GETTING THAT, JUST KNOWING WHERE THAT DIVIDING LINE IS, BECAUSE IN THE EXAMPLE YOU JUST GAVE FREQUENTLY, LIKE HISTORICALLY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, JUST ASKED DORA.
AND IF THAT IS JUST AS TARA, BUT DOUBLE CHECK THAT YOU'RE DOING A CC, THAT'S FINE.
BUT TYPICALLY, LIKE I SAT HERE YESTERDAY WHILE WE'RE IN SESSION AND JUST FIRED OFF A QUICK EMAIL, I WAS LIKE, HEY, CAN WE GET THIS? UM, AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, LIKE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
DIRECTING IS THE PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE D D DEFINITION OF DIRECTING STAFF.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A POLICY THING.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY SPECIFICALLY IS HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ADDING THESE RULES TO OUR, TO OUR RULES OF CONDUCT ON WAYS THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE THE WAY IT SITS RIGHT NOW, ANYBODY CAN SAY YOU VIOLATED THE CHARTER, BUT THEN WE ALL HAVE TO SIT AROUND ON EACH OTHER AND GO, OKAY, NOW WHAT, HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND SO THIS ALLOWS US JUST A FRAMEWORK AND IT DOESN'T PUT ANYBODY IN A CORNER.
IT TAKES OUT THE PEOPLE, THE PERSON THAT'S ACCUSING AND THE ACCUSED.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR IF THE CA IF THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO DO THE INVESTIGATION, IT ALLOWS FOR COUNSEL TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS OR TO GATHER ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR WHATEVER DOCUMENTATION THAT COUNCIL FEELS LIKE.
THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND, AND IT FOR ME, AND WHY I LIKED IT IS IT REQUIRED THE PERSON THAT IS ACCUSING YOU, GOING TO PUT YOUR NAME IN WRITING, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY EXACTLY, AND YOU HAVE TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.
I JUST, HEY, SHE CALLED ME UGLY.
AND THEN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT IS TOTALLY A WASTE OF TIME ON EVERYBODY'S PART, AND IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER, THEN THAT GETS ADDRESSED TOO.
AND THAT PERSON IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT PROSECUTED, BUT THERE'S WRITING IN HERE THAT SAYS, IF YOU, IF YOU TRY TO DO IT A SECOND TIME, LIKE YOU CAN'T EVEN FILE THE COMPLAINT ANYMORE.
SO IT, IT ALLOWS FOR THOSE THINGS TOO.
AND THAT'S WHY, WELL, AND I'M ALL FOR IT.
LIKE I AM ALL FOR KEEPING US HONEST.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE LENS OF IT'S GOING TO BE USED AS AN, AS A POLITICAL ATTACK.
AND SO LIKE ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROVISIONS FOR REMOVING US FROM YOU, CAN'T DO IT FOR SIX MONTHS BECAUSE THAT'S INTENTIONAL TO PUT THAT COOLING OFF PHASE IN THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE GET UPSET ABOUT THINGS AND JUST FILE A COMPLAINT.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE PASSIONATE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE LENS THAT THERE MIGHT BE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AND THAT CAN HURT A PERSON'S REPUTATION.
NO, IT WAS JUST WHENEVER YOU WANT ME TO STOP.
I JUST, I HAVE SOMETHING I FEEL LIKE, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RICK AND MIKE, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE A LITTLE EXCEPTION TO THIS GUIDELINE IS MIKE AND DORA BECAUSE, UM, THERE CAN'T BE, UNLESS HE READ TO THEM, WELL, THIS IS JUST FOR THE CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF I NEED A NEW NAME TAG, YOU KNOW, HEY DARREN, I, I NEED A NAME TAGS AND YOU DON'T CARE, BUT, BUT I CAN'T ASSUME THAT, BUT I CAN COPY YOU ON THAT EMAIL AND INCLUDE DARRA AND LET HER KNOW.
OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S THIS EVENT THAT I YOU'LL NEED TO KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EMAIL, YOU CAN INCLUDE YOU.
BUT MIKE IS REALLY THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
OR I WALK IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE I'M HERE TO PICK UP MY NEW NAME TAG, AND MIKE'S IN THERE THAT, HEY, MIKE, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS? THIS, AND IT'S A CONVERSATION.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO, OR IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A MEETING.
IT'S LIKE, HE HAPPENS TO BE THERE WALKING IN THE HALL, SEEING SOMEBODY OR WHATEVER.
I'M NOT GOING TO NOT SAY HI TO,
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UH, TO NANCY.I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO TALK, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO BE ANTISOCIAL OR COMPLETELY IGNORE STAFF, BUT IT'S JUST A CLEAR GUIDELINES ON WHAT YOU EXPECT OF US AND, AND ARE THERE EXCEPTIONS, UM, AND YOU JUST WANT TO BE CC'D ON IT BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAVE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MIKE HAS, CHIEF OF STAFF IS KIND OF THE, BUT HE WILL ALSO DIRECT ME AND SAY, YOU NEED TO TALK TO RICK ABOUT THAT.
SO HE'S VERY GOOD ABOUT REDIRECTING.
IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DOES NEED TO COME BACK TO ME, AND I KNOW WE WANT TO, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BLACK AND WHITE POLICY, BUT THERE'S, THIS IS WHY WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATION COUNCIL NOTIFICATIONS EARLIER.
IT, IF IT CAN BE IN WRITING, BUT THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A REALITY, RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE DOING IN PRACTICE? AND IF WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PRACTICE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S IN WRITING, THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WRITING, BUT IT'S, IT GOES BACK TO THE INTENT.
WHAT IS COUNSEL'S INTENT? WHAT IS YOUR INTENT AND ASKING FOR A NAME TAG? WELL, YOU'RE THE ONES BROKEN.
DOES RICK NEED TO BE THE GATEKEEPER FOR THAT REQUEST? BECAUSE YOUR INTENT IS TO ATTAIN YOUR NAME TAG.
YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT FOR ME TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HIM OR NOT.
AND THEN THE STAFF, EVERY STAFF LIVABLE, RICK HAS TO HAVE A TRUST THAT THEY NEED TO BE COMMUNICATING WITH RICK AS COUNCIL'S APPROACHING THAT.
COUNCIL MAY NOT THINK THIS ISN'T A BIG DEAL.
I'LL JUST GET ROBIN TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
I'LL GET THE PLANNING MANAGER XYZ TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
SO PART OF IT IS GO AHEAD AND I'LL JUST FINISH REAL QUICK.
UM, IT'S UP TO US AS STAFF, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE COMMUNICATIONS AND PRACTICE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNSEL'S LOOKING FOR, WHAT IS COUNSEL'S INTENT AND ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
RICK MAY KNOW US PASSING THAT BACK UP TO RICK.
SOMETIMES WE MAY BE OVER COMMUNICATING WHEN IT'S, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S UNNECESSARY.
IF WE'RE CONSISTENT, THAT FLOW WILL GET BETTER.
AND IT WON'T FEEL AS ONEROUS AND RICK WILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE AWARENESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SO WE'LL STAFF, SO IT WILL NOT BE PERFECT.
BUT IF WE UNDERSTAND IF BOTH SIDES OF THIS EQUATION, THE COUNCIL SIDE AND THE STAFF SIDE, UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S INTENT.
IF WE CAN COME TO AGREEMENT ON THAT AND TRUST THAT RICK IS HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AND KNOWS WHAT COUNCIL IS DOING AND FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
AND I THINK WILL BE, THIS WILL WORK IN OUR FAVOR.
EVEN IF EVERYTHING IN WRITING DOESN'T EXACTLY OUTLINE WHAT THOSE COMMUNICATIONS LOOK LIKE.
DAN ACTUALLY JUST HAD A REALLY GOOD SUGGESTION, I THINK IS THAT HE IN IT'S CITY, MANAGER'S OFFICE, NOT THE CITY MANAGER.
SO IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF MAILBOX THAT YOU WANTED TO CREATE, THAT MEANS HE KIND OF GOES THROUGH TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING IMPORTANT THAT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY BUBBLE UP THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH, OF COURSE, THAT WE WOULD CC THE CITY MANAGER.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CREATES JUST ANOTHER LEVEL, BUT I WAS, I JUST HAVE LIKE, UM, WORRIED ABOUT YOUR EMAIL BOX
SO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE I CONSTITUTE, UM, IS THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE CITY SECRETARY FALL UNDER THAT OFFICE AND THEN HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DELEGATION THAT THEY COMMUNICATE, UM, WITH IT.
SO IF THE CITY MANAGER IS DOING SOMETHING, THE CHIEF OF STAFF COULD TAKE OVER, I MEAN, THAT'S, SO THE TERM OFFICE IS KIND OF USED FOR A GROUP WHO, WHO HAS A KIND OF AUTHORITY TO KEEP THINGS MOVING BY NATURE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST DIRECTED AT THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTLY.
SO THE TERM OFFICE IS SOMETIMES KIND OF USE AS A DEFINITION TO EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE A LITTLE MORE, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN, AND I'M THINKING OF THE WATER CONSERVATION ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE LANGUAGE THAT, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT, WHERE THE CITY MANAGER CAN DELEGATE TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO'S DESIGNATED.
AND IF THAT DESIGNATED AS A TEAM OF PEOPLE OR DIVISION LIKE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THEN THAT CAN, THAT CAN GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY TO SAY, YEAH, NO, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THESE TEAM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAS ISSUES.
I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO REPORT BACK TO ME ON THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT CAN BE A, A GOOD COMPROMISE.
SO BACKING UP A COUPLE OF STEPS AGAIN, HOW, BESIDES MAKING A FEW MORE DEFINITIONS AND GIVING YOU A COMMUNICATION AROUND SPECIFICALLY IN THE CHARTER, HOW DO YOU, DOES ANYTHING IN THIS GIVE YOU PAUSE OR HEARTBURN OR THAT YOU'RE JUST ABSOLUTELY AGAINST, OR YOU FEEL LIKE BESIDES THE FEW THINGS THAT WE POWER WITH THE DEFINITIONS OF ADDING, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE ADDED OR TAKEN OUT BEFORE THIS IS PUT ON THE AGENDA? SO IT'S NOT ON THE, ON THURSDAY'S AGENDA CURRENTLY CAN BE BOLD, BUT WE'D LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT UP TO A VOTE ON THURSDAY,
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BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ON THURSDAY, IT HAS TO GO LIKE RIGHT OUT.WE, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S THEIRS, IT'S TIMELY.
I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SIT AND READ IT.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR FREE TIME, I CAN TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO READ IT AND GET FEEDBACK EITHER TO CHRIS OR ME, UM, IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH PAIGE TO HASH ANYTHING OUT.
CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING THE FINAL DOCUMENT TO YOU TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THURSDAY.
I JUST LIKE TO REQUEST SOMETHING.
MAYBE WE'LL PUT IT OFF UNTIL THE 18TH, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO TALK TO READ IT.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE, THAT WE HAVE TIME FOR GOING TO BE INCORPORATED AND TO REVIEW THOSE AS WELL.
CAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT EVEN SEEING THE SHED.
I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY ON THIS WEEK'S AGENDA.
IT CAN ALWAYS BE POSTPONED IF SOMETHING COMES UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND JUST PUSH IT OFF TO THE 18TH.
IF SOMETHING COMPELLING COMES UP IN DISCUSSION, DISCUSS IT ON THURSDAY AND DO A FINAL VOTE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A REASON AT THAT TIME TO TAKE NO ACTION, BECAUSE IT COULD BE THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT AREN'T HERE READ IT AND THEY'RE GOOD WITH IT, YOU KNOW? SO I SAY, GO AHEAD, YOU ALREADY HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA, GO AHEAD THIS THURSDAY.
AND IF YOU HAVE A REASON TO POSTPONE IT AT THAT MEETING, GO AHEAD AND BRING IT UP.
WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, LIKE WITH, IF SOMEBODY IS NOT HERE, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
SO, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD.
THAT IS GOOD TO TALK ABOUT THOUGH.
IF ANYBODY THAT'S NOT HERE AS AN ISSUE AND HASN'T HAD, THEY FELT THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THOSE THINGS AS FAR AS TAKING THEM.
BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM Y'ALL IS YOU WANT IT ON THIS THURSDAY, IT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
LIKE I WANT TO SUPPORT YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
I'M FINE WITH IT STAYING IF YOU GUYS WANT THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE JUST GOING TO RECAP WHAT I'M GONNA DO, I'M GONNA ADD, I'M GONNA ADD DEFINITIONS OF MALFEASANCE MISCONDUCT AND MAYBE IN COMPETENCE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME STATE LAW.
OH, THAT DESCRIBES WHAT THOSE ARE.
AS IT APPLIES TO GENERAL LAW CITIES FOR A GENERAL LAW CITY TO REMOVE SOMEONE FOR ANY OF THOSE PURPOSES.
UM, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH PROCESS THROUGH THE DA'S OFFICE AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING, BUT THERE'S ALREADY SOME, UH, BODY OF LAW THERE THAT HELPS DEFINE SOME OF THAT, THAT USE COUNSEL WITH IT'S YOUR HOME RULE CHARTER.
YOU'VE GOT SOME FLEXIBILITY ON EXPANDING OR, UM, PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO THOSE DEFINITIONS.
SO I JUST, I'M GOING TO DRAFT A DEFINITION BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE.
PRESIDENT'S STATE LAW, YOU REVIEW IT AND DETERMINE IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT OVER THERE ON THURSDAYS.
AND THEN I THINK THAT ON THE DIRECTION, THE DIRECTING STAFF FOR WHAT I'M HEARING, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT, THAT THAT SHOULD ALWAYS, THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO GIVE DIRECTION ON WHAT THAT, HOW HE WANTS THAT TO BE HANDLED.
AND SO A DEFINITION OF DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF WILL BE BASED ON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER'S PROCEDURE IS THAT HE HAS ISSUES IN WRITING, IN WRITING.
AND, AND, AND LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING JUST IN GENERAL, IT'S KIND OF, EVEN WITH THE STUFF WITH RON IN THE, AND THAT WHOLE GOVERNANCE THING.
IN REALITY, THERE'S SOME S THERE'S A LITTLE SQUISHINESS, BUT WHEN IT BECOMES TOO MUCH THAT WHERE THE STAFF, YOU SEE THEIR COMMENTS.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT I'VE, MY APPROACH HAS ALWAYS BEEN, JUST GIVE ME A HEADS UP, JUST GIVE ME A HEADS UP ON THE SUBJECT MATTER.
NOW I DO THINK, AND I'M ASSUMING Y'ALL ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS JUST IN GENERAL, BUT I DO THINK IF I'VE SEEN IT, I'LL USE EXAMPLES FROM OTHER PLACES.
WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT THIS WAY.
WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT THAT WAY.
WELL, MAYBE SO IF THERE'S CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE, LET'S SAY ELECTED TO SAY A DIRECTOR, AND THEY'VE HEARD THAT LIKE THREE TIMES IT'S, IT'S ALMOST IMPLIED.
IT'S WITH A QUESTION IT'S WITH MY OPINION.
IT'S NOT SAYING DO THIS, BUT IF THERE IS SOME, SOME IMPLIED THERE, SO WHEN THAT APPROACH IS TAKEN AND THEN THERE'S NOT THE CONTACT AHEAD OR SOMETHING THAT GOES TO CASUAL, ALL THE CASUAL, STUFF'S FINE.
I DON'T TAKE THE APPROACH THAT I'VE SEEN OTHER PLACES WHERE LIKE, OH, YOU RUNNING A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M SERIOUS.
OH, YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY GO WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU DISCUSSED.
NO, IT'S ONLY, IF YOU LITERALLY HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S THE
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REASONABLE TEST, ANY TYPE OF CITY BUSINESS OF TRYING TO INFLUENCE SOME BIG.SO THEN YOU HAVE SOME SCENARIO WHERE SOMETHING TRICKLES BACK UP, BE IT IN THE BUDGET, BE IT IN A PROJECT, BE IT AN ANYTHING.
AND THE REST OF THE STAFF GOES, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? AND THEN THAT'S MAYBE WHERE THE DIRECTOR OR STAFF MEMBER, THEIR COMFORT LEVEL MIGHT EVEN BE REFLECTED IN SOMETHING LIKE SURVEYS SAYING, WELL, I WAS KIND OF, IT WAS KIND OF HINTED TO ME KIND OF IMPLIED KIND OF, UH, SO, BUT THE INTENT IS REALLY JUST TO, SO IT WORKS ALWAYS COUNSEL AS THE, AS THE BOARD, MY OFFICE, CHIEF EXECUTIVE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SPENDING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REGULATION, THE REGULATORY PIECE, AND THE STAFF ALL MOVING FORWARD ON OUR CIP AND ORDINANCE AND EVERYTHING AND PROJECT PRIORITIES AND STRATEGIC PLAN AND EVERYTHING, ANY OF THAT, THAT'S ALL IT IS, BUT MAKING SURE THERE'S NOT EXPLICIT GRAY AREAS TO RUN THROUGH.
JUST SO CAN YOU GIVE US SOMETHING BLACK AND WHITE, SO THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE.
GIVEN THE CONTENT OF THIS, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THE RULES BE ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE.
WE NEED TO HAVE, WELL, IT'LL HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED APPROPRIATELY.
UM, SO I'LL GET DORA ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN, UM, IDEALLY THIS PROCESS WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST, THE FIRST STEP FOR ENFORCEMENT OF, OF A CHARTER VIOLATION.
IT WOULD START WITH THE CULTURE, THE TRAINING ONBOARDING OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND HOW THEY'RE, UM, EDUCATED ON THIS IS HOW THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS AROUND, HEY GUYS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF LINE HERE, LETS YOU USE THAT THROUGH YOUR CULTURE AND YOUR COMMUNICATION TO KEEP EACH OTHER, UM, IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CHARTER REQUIRES BEFORE IT GETS TO THIS POINT PROCESS.
BUT THEN IF IT'S NOT, IF THAT DOES NOT WORK THEN WHICH HAS BEEN EXPRESSED AND FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE, WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS.
SO THIS GIVES YOU THE WELL HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT DIDN'T WORK? I WOULD PREFER NOT TO EVER.
I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA SAY FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD HOPE THIS NEVER HAS TO BE USED.
THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE BROUGHT HER ON IN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE, THE LARGER CULTURAL GOVERNANCE DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PAUL, THE COMMUNICATION POLICY WOULD BE HELPFUL FROM YOUR, BECAUSE IN THAT WAY, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND STAFF'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
APPRECIATE IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL.
UM, I ALSO HAD SOME STUFF ABOUT RULES OF PROCEDURE, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD ANYTHING, JUST SOME, SOME OTHER REVISIONS AND REMINDERS.
IF Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE IN HERE, WE CAN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE ONES THAT I HIGHLIGHTED, UM, THAT I THINK JUST NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
SO, UM, GENERAL GUIDELINES, NUMBER SEVEN, WAIT FOR RECOGNITION FROM THE MAYOR, BUT WE'RE SPEAKING.
UM, I KNOW I'M FAIRLY LAX ON THINGS.
I TRY NOT TO SPEAK FIRST, OTHER THAN THE INTRODUCTION, OCCASIONALLY THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S BEEN WORKED OUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO DO A REMINDER THAT I'LL ALWAYS SAY COUNSEL AT THE END OF SOMETHING.
AND THEN JUST JUMP IN IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE A COMMENT ON, OR, OR I SUSPECT MOST EVERYBODY WILL, I'LL LET Y'ALL KNOW IN THAT INTRODUCTION THAT I'M AND GO DOWN THE LINE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S JUST ORDERLY AND WE'RE NOT JUMPING ALL OVER EACH OTHER.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DO THAT REMINDER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE NEED TO KEEP IT ORDERLY.
I WILL, I WILL GET TO YOU IF I'M STILL TALKING.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE STILL TALKING.
AND THEN UNDER AGENDAS, UM, NUMBER THREE, COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTED AGENDA ITEMS, UM, ON A, IT SAYS A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WISHES TO PLACE AN ITEM ON AN AGENDA MUST SUBMIT THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION B BELOW TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE BY 5:00 PM, THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING.
UM, FREQUENTLY THERE'S NOT MATERIAL SUBMITTED WITH IT.
I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I CAUGHT ON HERE IS USUALLY BY WEDNESDAY 5:00 PM, BEFORE THE MEETING, I HAVE THE AGENDA.
SO I WANTED TO CHECK WITH OUR CITY SECRETARY, IF YOU STILL LIKED THIS TIMEFRAME, OR IF YOU, IF IT WAS BETTER FOR YOU TO CHANGE IT, THE STAFF GOT OFFICE
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TUESDAY AT 5:00 PM.SO IF WE CAN MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THAT, THAT MAKES IT EASIER BECAUSE I DO TRY TO GET YOU THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO BEGIN YOUR REVIEW BY WEDNESDAY MORNING AND PREFERABLY BY NOON.
SO DO WE ADD THIS INTO NEXT WEEK'S OR DO WE WANT MORE TIME AND PUT IT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? I ALSO KNOW WE NEED TO GET THE AGENDA OUT.
SO HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO WORK ON THAT.
WHENEVER IT COMES TO US, IT COMES TO US.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POLICY IS FITTING FOR YOUR SCHEDULE, SO, OKAY.
IF YOU RUN INTO A TIE, A TIMING THING AND SOMETHING, CAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH THERE I'D RATHER BE RIGHT THAN, THAN RUSHED AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT COMES TO ME WEDNESDAY MORNING IS, UM, THERE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT GET MADE.
AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THROUGH THE EMAILS SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S A HECTIC WEEK AND THINGS ARE CHANGING.
UM, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT WEDNESDAY LOAD, UM, REQUIRING THAT THINGS KEEP GETTING AMENDED, JUST MAKE IT AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, IF THERE'S LIKE AN EMERGENCY THING OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME SENSITIVE AND YOU JUST MISSED THE CUTOFF, UM, I KNOW THAT'S COME UP BEFORE AND DORA HAS JUST TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER SO-AND-SO WANTED THIS, HERE'S THE CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, IF IT MAKES SENSE, IT MAKES SENSE.
IF IT'S JUST I'M DISREGARDING THE POLICY, THEN I WOULD SAY STATE FIRM.
BUT, UM, BUT I TRY TO BE LIKE, I TRY TO BE FLEXIBLE WITHOUT PUTTING TOO MUCH BURDEN ON STAFF.
SO, UM, AND THEN UNDER B UM, PROVIDING BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UM, IT'S, I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK IF YOU ARE PUTTING ON, UH, A TOPIC THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, PULL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF REQUIRING STAFF TO GO PULL IT WHEN POSSIBLE.
UM, IT HASN'T COME UP IN A WHILE.
SO THAT'S JUST A REMINDER, UM, ON C COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTED AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE IDENTIFIED AS COUNCIL DIRECTIVE IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGED WHEN WE ADOPTED THIS POLICY.
IT USED TO JUST GET OUR NAME ON IT.
UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NAMES ON IT.
IT ALSO LIKE WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER, RIGHT.
THERE'S SOMETHINGS THAT, UM, IF NICOLE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD CONSIDER SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THAN IF CATHERINE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD THEM TALK ABOUT IN A MEETING BEFORE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE THAT SORT OF BACKGROUND OF, OH, OKAY.
I KIND OF KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
I THINK IT'S GREAT IF Y'ALL ARE OPPOSED TO IT AND YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AS COUNCIL DIRECTIVE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT UP.
SO WHAT ARE OUR OPINIONS? OH, GO AHEAD.
I THINK IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR US.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT IT AS ABOUT TO, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT STRONG.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
I USUALLY HAVE TO ASK HER I'M LIKE, WHOSE IS THIS? BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT DISCUSSION ITEM, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S LEADING IT BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT NECESSARILY.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S EASIER TO KNOW GOING INTO IT MATTER.
I MEAN, I DON'T PROMISE I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT YEAH.
I MEAN, I FIGURED IF, IF I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, I'M FINE WITH MY NAME BEING ON IT TOO.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ELSE LABS, I KIND OF LIKED NOT HAVING THE NAME ON IT BECAUSE THEN IN THE PAST I KNOW IT GOT USED AS I PULL IT UP TO IT.
AND TO ME, IF IT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.
IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, IT SHOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ALL VISIT.
IT SHOULD NOT MATTER WHO BROUGHT IT UP.
IT MAY BE WHO LEADS THE DISCUSSION, BUT HAVING IT IN WRITING IS REALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE SUBJECT, BUT IT COULD BE A PERSONAL THING THAT GETS USED.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE MORE WE AVOID THAT, THE BETTER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T THINK I CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF I BRING SOMETHING UP, I DON'T MIND MY NAME BEING ATTACHED.
SO I ACTUALLY FEEL KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SAID.
I FEEL LIKE WHEN IT SAYS COUNCIL MEMBER DIRECTIVE, THE MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC IS WE ALL KIND OF AGREE WITH THIS AND ANYBODY, ANY ONE OF US CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER FOR THIS.
CAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS TOO, I DON'T CARES AND TO, UH, KEEP IT AS DIRECTIVE AND THEN TWO THAT ARE OUT.
SO MAYBE WHEN WE, MAYBE WHEN WE BRING BACK THE, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL TOGETHER YEAH.
WHEN WE BRING BACK THE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE TIMING, WE COULD DO THE OTHER TWO THINGS ON THAT.
LIKE IF I PUT SOMETHING ON THERE AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, CATHERINE, THIS WAS YOUR OWN COUNCIL MEMBER AND TONY PARKER, WHATEVER.
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ITEM.I MEAN, I DON'T MIND THAT, BUT IF THERE COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE I DON'T KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE USED AS A, OH, LOOK WHAT I DID, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED OR THE OPPOSITE.
SOMEBODY SAYS IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE IT'S DONE ANYTHING, NOBODY'S DONE ANYTHING BECAUSE NOBODY IS OWNING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T OWN IT, BUT IT, BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER BRINGS IT UP, IT SHOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.
AND I THINK THAT DISCUSSION WILL SHOW WHERE WE STAND ON THAT.
MAYBE THE COMPROMISE IS YOU BELIEVE IT ON THE AGENDA AS COUNSEL DIRECTIVE, BUT IN YOUR NOTES, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING TO START THE DISCUSSION EVEN ON THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
WHATEVER IT IS, BUT YOU'RE STUCK IN THE MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, BUT ON THE AGENDA PACKET, IT JUST, IT DOES SAY COUNCIL DIRECTORS, I CAN FIND IT.
THAT MAYOR HAS COMPROMISED POSSIBLY, UM, WHERE IT SAYS PRESENTER ON THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, WE CAN LIST THE NAME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER THERE THAT PUT IT WHERE WE PUT COUNCIL MEMBER DIRECTOR BEFORE.
AND JUST NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEM, PUT THEIR NAME OUT BESIDE IT ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITSELF.
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? AND IT ALSO GIVES THE OPTION IF IT IS, IT'S A COUNCIL DISCUSSION, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAVE BOTH BEEN WORKING ON IT, BUT I'M GOING TO BE THE PRESENTER, BUT IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE WORKED OUT TOGETHER THAT IT JUST ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF A STEP BACK FROM IT.
I MEAN, I'VE EMAILED THINGS TO BE AT IS, OH, THAT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
WELL THEN I KNOW NOTHING NEEDS TO CHANGE HERE, BRANDON.
I WANT TO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.
SO FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT AND I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH A COUPLE OF THESE ALREADY, A COUPLE OF THESE WERE ADDED AND ONE WAS TRAVIS SIGNAL.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS HOW WE WERE GONNA DO THE PILOT PROGRAM FOR.
AND, UM, THE DILEMMA WAS, THEY WERE KIND OF BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MINUTE AND STAFF WAS KIND OF EXPECTED TO COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT IT.
AND IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE WHICH DIRECTION IT WAS KIND OF GOING.
SO, AND THAT'S LIKE WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT HAVING SUPPORTING MATERIALS.
UM, AND SO YEAH, WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS SORT OF A SIMILAR CHAOS OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S DOING THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S LEADING IT.
CAN WE, COULD WE SAY TO THAT BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT IS THAT IF, IF I DID WANT TO BRING IT UP AND I WANT HER TO GO TO AGENDA ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC SIGNALS, RIGHT.
THAT IF, IF I'M NOT PROVIDING THAT BACKUP WITH A PACKET, OR I HAVEN'T SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO RICK AND DAN ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER THE CASE, THEN IT BASICALLY GETS REJECTED FROM THE AGENDA UNTIL WE HAVE THE BACKUP WITH IT'S LIKE, HEY, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS BE A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION THAT WOULD COME FROM STAFF, BUT AT LEAST STAFF IS PREPARED FOR WHAT IT IS THAT RIGHT.
WELL, OR YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT.
WELL, MAYBE WEDNESDAY, I ACTUALLY HAD THAT UNDERLINE BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE LAST COUPLE THAT IF WE DON'T KNOW BY WEDNESDAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK THE NEXT DAY, I ONLY HAVE A FEW HOURS TO TRY TO PUT A FLOOR TOGETHER.
WE DID THAT WITH THE TRAFFICS.
DIDN'T KNOW WE GOT STUFF FROM THE POLICE OFFICER, HOW MANY ACCIDENTS OCCURRED AND READ THROUGH THE WARRANTS AND WAS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE IT THE WEEK BEFORE, BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S THE WEDNESDAY OF THE WEEK BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY FOR THE REGULAR, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT TO TUESDAY, BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED IS IT, SO THE TUESDAY BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING IS 24, 48 HOURS.
SO MAYBE NEEDS TO BE BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY OF THE WEEK BEFORE THIS IS MAYBE WHERE THE, YEAH, MAYBE I READ IT.
CAUSE I WAS LIKE THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING, IT SHOULD BE THE WEDNESDAY PRIOR THE WEEK BEFORE, BECAUSE I READ IT AS I KIND OF, MAYBE I MISREAD IT, BUT I READ IT AS THE WEDNESDAY, LITERALLY THE DAY BEFORE WE MADE A NOTE, WE MADE A NOTE OF THAT.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE A COMPROMISE, UM, IS A CHANGE IN THE WORDING ON, UH, THE AGENDA SECTION B THREE AND THEN B, WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, IF MAYBE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WE SAY BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND, OR THE INTENT OF DISCUSSION, LIKE WHAT WE NEED FROM STAFF.
SO ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, I DON'T EXPECT A COUNCIL MEMBER PUTTING THAT FORWARD TO HAVE THAT DATA.
BUT IF THEY SAY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WE NEED TO KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS THE INFORMATION I'M LOOKING FOR.
THIS IS WHY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, THAT KIND OF THING.
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SO THAT WE KNOW WHO TO ASK AND WHAT TO ASK FOR.I ALWAYS TO JUMP INTO OUR CONVERSATIONS.
UM, THAT WAS ALL I HAD FOR REVISIONS.
DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
UM, THIS OTHER ONE, UM, ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS NEEDS TO BE A REVISION OR NOT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY POLITICS AT CITY EVENTS.
UM, WE HAVE THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT WE ALL KNOW FROM THE CAP METRO THING, THAT WE CAN'T USE ANY SORT OF CITY RESOURCE FOR POLITICKING, BUT IT'S COME UP BEFORE OF WEARING, UH, CAMPAIGN SHIRTS ON THE DAYAS LIKE DURING MEETINGS, IT'S HAPPENED IN A COUNCIL MEETING FOR A NON COUNCIL OFFICE.
IT HAPPENED IN A P AND Z MEETING FOR A COUNCIL OFFICE AND THAT'S CITY RESOURCES.
IT'S SU IT'S OUR MEETING ROOM.
IT'S THE LIVE STREAM, ALL OF THAT.
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME LEGAL GREAT.
AND THE PERSON THAT I HEARD ABOUT THAT AFTERWARDS UNTIL IT'S MONEY NOT TO DO THOSE THINGS, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
NO, NO, BECAUSE I ALWAYS WATCH THOSE.
I MEAN, IT JUST, THERE'S NOTHING, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARK STUFF YESTERDAY AND, AND POLITICS, YOU KNOW, IF ONE OF US IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE WHILE STILL SITTING IN OFFICE AND WE GO TO SOMETHING THAT IS A CITY ENDORSED EVENT AND WE'RE THERE IN OUR CAPACITY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IS IT OKAY TO WEAR A CAMPAIGN SHIRT AND BE CAMPAIGNING AT THE SAME EVENT? OR ARE WE THEN USING CITY RESOURCES SINCE THAT'S BEING POSTED ALL OVER CITY SOCIAL.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS HOPING PAGE, YOU COULD COME IN AND ADVISE, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, UM, YOU'VE GOT A FREE SPEECH ISSUE RIGHT.
RUNNING INTO A USE OF CITY RESOURCES ISSUE.
AND SO IF, IF YOU'RE ATTENDING KIND OF WHAT'S GENERALLY HANDS-OFF AND KIND OF THE PARK EVENT IS IF YOU'RE THERE WITH A SHIRT ON OR, AND MAYBE HANDING SOMETHING OUT, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT HAVING A RULE AGAINST THAT, UM, AGAINST A COUNSELOR, A PERSON RUNNING FOR OFFICE, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAME THING, APPLY TO WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER RUNNING FOR OFFICE PLUS THE WHOEVER'S RUNNING.
SO THE INCUMBENT AND THE CAN WE APPLY IT TO THE, THE CANDIDATE.
THAT'S NOT AN INCUMBENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN.
BUT THEY'RE IN A VERY DIFFERENT POSITION.
SO LIKE, IF LET'S SAY I'M MAYOR AND I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR AGAIN, RIGHT.
ACTUALLY AN INCIDENT, I THINK I WAS IN IT AT A PARK OF IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THERE WAS A PICTURE.
I WAS LIKE, I W I W I CAME FROM ANOTHER EVENT TOO.
I CAME FROM ONE EVENT TO GO TO A GRAND OPENING OF LAC.
I CAME TO THE THING, AND THEN I GOT ASKED TO BE IN A PITCHER, BUT I WAS WEARING MY STUFF FROM THE EVENT THAT WE JUST CAME FROM AND MY WHOLE FAMILY WAS ALL RIGHT.
I'M LIKE, I REMEMBER THIS HAPPENING.
AND SO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, LIKE I WOULD RATHER NOT BE IN THE PICTURE IF IT WAS.
I FEEL LIKE, UM, ORIGINALLY, BUT LIKE I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT, LIKE IF IT WAS, CAUSE I ALWAYS GO TO LIKE, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A RULE OR AT LEAST SOME GUIDANCE.
AND SO LIKE THINKING OF LIBERTY FEST, LET'S SAY I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR AGAIN, AND THERE'S A RUNOFF AND IT STILL HASN'T TAKEN PLACE BECAUSE IT'S JULY.
AND I'M UP THERE ON THE STAGE AS THE MAYOR, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE WEARING A VOTE FOR ME ON TUESDAY OR WHATEVER KIND OF SHIRT, LIKE I THINK WE WOULD ALL BE LIKE, THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY USING THE CITY RESOURCE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A MEMO ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE REALLY GETTING INTO FREE SPEECH.
LIKE, HONESTLY, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, I ALMOST DON'T CARE.
LIKE IF WE WERE ASKING ALL THE COUNCIL, LIKE WHAT SHOULD, LIKE IN THAT SITUATION, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE IT ALL OUT PERIOD, BUT I UNDERSTAND, WELL, ON THE ONE HAND, IT'S A BAD LUCK, BUT ALSO I'M NOT SURE THE LEGALITIES, IF YOU GET INTO ANY TROUBLE SPONSORED EVENT USING OUR RESOURCES.
SO, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE AN UPDATE TO PROCEDURE OR IF JUST A MEMO SUFFICES, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
THAT WAS ALL I HAD ON, UH, RULES OF PROCEDURE COUNCIL.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO STAFF.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT Y'ALL CAUGHT? ALL RIGHT.
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SO MUCH.MOVING ON TO YOUR GOOD BOARD AND COMMISSION LIAISONS.
UM, SO THIS CAME UP, LET ME FIND IT HERE.
UM, NOT EVERY CITY BOARD HAS A LIAISON.
SOME OF THEM HAVE ASKED FOR A LIAISON.
AND, UH, AND SO WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS.
AND WHAT I FOUND IN MY EXPERIENCE WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR COUNCIL LIAISON AND YOUR STAFF LIAISON.
AND WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT WHEN THE PARKS PERSON, THE STAFF LIAISON WOULD TELL THEM SOMETHING, THEY DIDN'T LIKE, EVERY HEAD WOULD TURN TO ME, LIKE I CAN OVERRIDE IT.
AND I DO NOT LIKE THAT FEELING.
IF STAFF SAYS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I'M NOT GOING TO UNDERMINE THEM.
AND SO ON THE ONE HAND, IT'S GREAT FOR THEM TO INTERFACE WITH US AND FOR US TO INTERFACE WITH THEM AND KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
YOU'LL NOTICE NOW IN YOUR MONTHLY REPORTS, YOU'RE GETTING ALL OF THEIR, THEIR BOARD MINUTES SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF KEEP UP WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CREATE THAT SORT OF SITUATION WHERE WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISREGARD STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, SOME OF THEM BEING LIKE ROTATING COUNCIL MEMBERS OR, UM, DARRA HAD THIS REALLY GREAT IDEA FROM ONE OF THE CITIES SHE USED TO WORK WITH AFTER THEY.
UM, AFTER THEY DO THEIR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, THEY BASICALLY HAVE A JOINT MEETING, LIKE AS A COUNCIL, THEY GO AND MEET WITH THE BOARD AND SET OUT THE EXPECTATIONS OF EACH OTHER AND WHAT IS LOOKING FOR.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT ALSO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH SOME OF OUR BOARDS WHERE THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEIR FUNCTION IS.
UM, AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE EITHER.
UM, AND SO WE DECIDED A WHILE AGO THAT WE WERE JUST GOING TO SORT OF BRING IT UP AS A TOPIC TO SEE WHERE Y'ALL WERE AT, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE ROTATIONS, DO WE WANT TO JUST HAVE A JOINT MEETING EVERY YEAR? DO WE WANT A LIAISON APPOINTED TO MORE OF THESE BOARDS? WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS? I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER, RIGHT.
JOINT ME WITH EVERY BOARD SEPARATELY.
IN A PREVIOUS CITY, WHAT THE BOARDS AND THE COUNCIL DID AFTER THEY DID THE APPOINTMENTS, THE BOARDS MET WITH THEM AND TOLD THEM WHAT THEIR MISSION STATEMENT WAS AND GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS FOR THE BOARDS AND THE BOARDS DISCUSS ONE ON ONE WITH, AT THEIR MEETING OF WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS WERE OF THE COUNCIL AND HOW TO GET TO THE SAME POINT.
AND THEN THEY FELT LIKE THEY HAD A VOICE WITH THE COUNCIL.
DID TYPICALLY THE WHOLE COUNCIL ATTEND OR WAS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER COULD MAKE IT IS THE WHOLE COUNCIL WHEN THEY COULD ATTENDED.
AND IF THEY COULDN'T ATTEND, THEN JUST THE ONES THAT WERE ABLE TO ATTEND DID ATTEND.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE MEETINGS WERE SCATTERED OUT.
THEY WERE OVER THE FIRST FEW MONTHS AFTER APPOINTMENTS.
AND TYPICALLY THE MEETINGS WITH THE BOARDS WENT 15 TO 30 MINUTES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A COUPLE OF BOARDS THAT MAYBE WENT 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
WE COULD ALSO DO THAT IN REVERSE WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WORKSHOP TIME THAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE BOARDS AND HAVE THEM COME TO US AND NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME, BUT CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
SO I, MY COMMENT ON THAT IS I THINK THAT WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES, THE DESCRIPTION IS GIVEN AND THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR, AND IT IS UP TO THE LIAISON, UM, TO, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR OR MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AS NECESSARY OR PROPOSE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, WITH STAFF AND ANY THAT DO NOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE ASSIGN GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS APPOINTED AS A LIAISON.
IF THE, IF IT'S, IF IT IS NECESSARY, WE'RE REALLY, I DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARY.
UM, AND I COULD BE WRONG ON THESE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER MEETING.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR IMPROVING COMMUNICATION BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT WERE THAT WERE ASKING TO HELP US TO GUIDE US TO MAKE DECISIONS.
UM, YOU'RE SAYING LIAISONS ARE GOOD.
WE'RE SAYING MEETING FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, W WHAT DORIS WAS SAYING AS THIS HAS WORKED, LIKE SETTING AN EXPECTATION MEETING ONCE PER YEAR, OR AT LEAST WHENEVER THERE'S SOMETHING, SOMEBODY CHANGES HANDS OR OTHER GROUP CHANGES, LOOKS
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LIKE OUR CHIEF OF STAFF HAS SOMETHING WE'VE.UM, SO ME PERSONALLY, I'VE, I'VE SAT IN WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FROM TIME TO TIME.
I'VE SAT IN WITH OUR COMMISSION FROM TIME TO TIME.
UM, PRIOR TO THAI, I WAS, UH, JOYFULLY BACK THERE, UM, SITTING THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS, UM, A BOARD, IT WAS GREAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETINGS.
UM, AND, AND I KNOW DARLA LOOKS AT MANY, IF NOT, ALL OF, NOT ONLY THE MINUTES, BUT THE AGENDAS OF ALL OF OUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS.
I THINK SOME, AND I'LL, I'LL USE THE PARKS BOARD.
THEY THEY'RE KIND OF A WELL-OILED MACHINE.
THEY'VE GOT DISCUSSIONS, THEY KNOW ALL THE PARKS PROGRAMMING GOING ON, AND THEY KIND OF WEIGH IN ON A REGULAR BASIS AND HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, WHAT PARKS AND RECREATION IS DOING.
UM, OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I MEAN, THEY KIND OF WANT DISCRETION AND FLEXIBILITY TO, TO BRING THINGS TO COUNCIL THAT THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT.
AND YOU MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO INDIVIDUALS AMONG THAT GROUP THAT TRY TO INFLUENCE, UH, EVERY TIME THE BOARD MEETS, THEY WANT TO INFLUENCE THE CONVERSATION MIDDLE WAY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING FOR MAYBE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, THROUGH THE STAFF LIAISONS ABOUT WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL WANT FROM US.
UM, IF THERE'S ONE OR TWO THINGS, ONE OR TWO TOPICS FOR EACH BOARD AND CONDITION THAT MAYBE COUNCIL CAN IDENTIFY OR DIRECTION IN PARTICULAR, THEY CAN IDENTIFY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THOSE BOARDS OF CONDITIONS DO IN GENERAL.
UM, I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A JOINT MEETING WITH EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION? I KNOW, AND I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD, THAT'S A HUGE BURDEN FOR COUNCIL.
HUGE, BUT, UM, MAYBE IT'S DURING THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS THAT HAPPENS IN OCTOBER WHERE COUNCIL, AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND OUTLINES, UM, HERE'S SOME THINGS TOP OF MIND, MAYBE COUNCIL CAN SAY, YEAH, THIS, MAYBE THIS YEAR, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT VEGAS HOUSE FOR HPC.
MAYBE WE LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
MAYBE THAT COULD BE A FOCUS STAFF CAN THEN TAKE THAT AND TURN THAT INTO SOME KIND OF REGULAR ACTIVITY AND COMMUNICATION.
WELL, AND ALSO THOUGH, I THINK NOT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS GOING TO BE INTERESTED, UM, OR HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ART, SO WHY WOULD YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT I EXPECT FROM YOU.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE THE ARTIST YOU COME TO ME.
RIGHT? SO MAYBE EVEN SOMETHING LIKE, AFTER WE DO THE APPOINTMENTS, JUST A NOTICE TO COUNSEL OF, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE NEXT MEETING AND THERE'S A TIME SLOT ON THERE, THEIR AGENDA, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THEM AND JUST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE INTERESTED.
AND IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, SEND AN EMAIL TO STATUS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING A MEETING, IF THERE'S MORE THAN IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING A MEETING, IF THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR OF US, THAT COULD BE THERE, DO WE HAVE TO POST SEPARATELY OR THAT ONE'S GOOD ENOUGH? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S AN ITEM ON THEIR POSTED AGENDA TO ALLOW TIME FOR COUNSEL, I WILL POST A POSSIBLE FORM FOR THE COUNCIL AUTOMATICALLY.
SO THAT WILL ALLOW THE COUNCIL.
IF THERE IS A QUORUM TO CAN GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS MOST OFTEN, I THINK IS STAFF BASED ON COUNSELOR THEN, BUT WE GET ON A REGULAR BASIS DURING OUR MEETINGS AND DURING AGENDA SETTING.
AND WE BRING THINGS TO THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO GET INPUT AND FEEDBACK ALREADY.
AND WE DON'T NEED COUNCIL TO SAY, YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO THE HPC OR GO TALK TO OUR COMMISSION.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THOSE THINGS INTO THEIR AGENDAS TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS BACK UP TO COUNCIL.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE GOING TO YOU AND NOT US.
WELL, NOTHING WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON IT.
THE, WOULD I LIKE ABOUT HAVING LAYS ON IS IT ALLOWS ME TO HAVE A PULSE ON WHAT'S SORT OF HAPPENING IN, IN WHEN I HAVE, UM, I HAVEN'T ATTENDED A LOT OF THEM.
CAUSE I GUESS KEVIN METRO TAKES UP A LOT OF TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN I DID SIT IN FAIRLY RECENTLY ON AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEETING, WHICH CATHERINE IS THE LIAISON FOR, BUT I JUST SAT IN THE BACK AND LISTENED TO ME AND SAID, HELLO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DIDN'T UTTER A WORD, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS JUST AN INFORMATION GATHERING SESSION.
TELL ME, AND HAD I BEEN ASKED A QUESTION, AN OPINION, I'D BEEN HAPPY TO GIVE BECKY'S OPINION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD HAVE REFERRED TO CAMERA NATIONALLY FOR EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SOMEBODY TO ASK ME.
AND IN MY EXPERIENCE LIKE, CAUSE I'VE DROPPED IN ON A COUPLE OF THESE BOARDS, THEY'RE ALWAYS SUPER HAPPY WHEN YOU SHOW UP BECAUSE MOST OF THEM NEVER SEE US.
LIKE WE INTERVIEW THEM FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN IF THEY REAPPLY IN TWO YEARS, WE INTERVIEWED THEM AGAIN FOR THREE MINUTES, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, IT'S THE WORST.
IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING FOR ME, BUT I MEAN, BUT I SAT HERE
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AND WENT, OH YEAH.CAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, OH, IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A COUNCIL LIAISON, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT IN ON THESE MEETINGS.
AND FOR ME IT'S LIKE IF I PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR, BUT IF I'M LIKE, HEY, MAYBE I'LL DROP DOWN.
IT'S, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT IF I KNOW, HEY, I'M THE LIAISON.
FIDESZ, THAT'S WHY I GO, I'M GOING TO SAY A LIAISON FOR THE CHAMBER.
SO I'M AT EVERY BOARD MEETING.
UM, AND IT ALLOWS ME TO GATHER FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND ALLOWS ME TO, YOU KNOW, THEY ALLOW FOR LSD AND, UM, AND THE CITY, WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WHERE WE, AND SO I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT, WELL, YEAH, IF YOU'VE SAT IN ON THIS OR WE JUST PASS THIS OR, UM, IF YOU DID NOTICE THIS IS OPENING OR WHATEVER, AND IT'S JUST A QUICK WAY FOR ME.
AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO GO, WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH X, Y, AND Z.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I'LL COME BACK AND FIND OUT.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BRIDGET, AN EMAIL, HEY, HERE'S THE INFORMATION IN THE LAST, OR TO BE ABLE TO PASS ALONG TO THE BOARD.
AND I THINK IT WORKS REALLY WELL.
AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE I GUESS LIAISON ROLE DO HAVE, IT'S NOT A CITY THING, BUT IT'S CLOSELY RELATED.
AND THAT'S HOW I KIND OF SEE, UM, SEE THE WORLD AND SEE THE BENEFITS TO IT.
SO DO WE WANT TO EXPAND LIAISONS INTO SOME OF THESE COMMITTEES THAT DON'T HAVE THEM THEN? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S REQUESTING THAT ANY, ANY BOARD OR COMMISSION THAT'S REQUESTED PARKS HAS REQUESTED IT? THEY HAD TWO LIAISONS LONG TIME AGO.
I HEARD THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DRAMA AND THEN IT WAS DISBANDED AND THEN IT WAS RECREATED WITHOUT LIAISON.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.
UM, BUT IT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BOARD THOUGH, TOO SURE.
UM, AND THEN LIBRARY SEEMED TO HAVE SOME INTERESTS, BUT I THINK THEY, MIGHT'VE ALSO JUST BEEN EXCITED THAT SOMEBODY SHOWED UP.
UM, BUT YEAH, PARKS HAS BEEN, BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WORKING ON THE PARKS ON IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO CONTINUE AND EXPAND AND LEARN WHAT WE NEED TO BE ON.
EVERY SINGLE ONE, WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE WELL.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE, YOU CAN'T REALLY LIKE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL.
WE SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM THAT ETHICS AND SHOULD STAY AWAY.
YOU'RE ALREADY IN, YOU'RE ON THE TOURIST, BUT AS A CHAIR, NOT NECESSARILY AS A LIAISON PLANNING AND SERVING SHOULD NOT HAVE ONE ON IT.
ANYTHING WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WE SHOULD NOT BE.
I THINK IF THERE'S AN INTEREST FOR, FOR THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE SHOULD MAKE AN EFFORT TO DO THAT IF THEY HAVE NOT REQUESTED THAT, AND IT'S NOT SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT SAYING WHO I WANT TO BE THE LIAISON THERE, THEN WE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PUT OUT TO THE BOARD CHAIRS TO PUT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM OF, DO YOU, AS A BOARD, WANT TO VOTE TO HAVE A LIAISON THAT WAY IT'S THEIR ACTION AND THEIR DECISION AND NOT JUST ONE PERSON WHO'S MAYBE THE CHAIR SAYING, WELL, I'M INTERESTED.
I THINK WE WOULD GET MAYBE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION SAYING WE DO VIDEOS ON FOR THOSE THAT DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.
UM, ALL OF THE MEMBERS KNOW THAT THEY'RE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE ALL EXPRESSED, UM, WHETHER IT'S HELP US, UH, GIVE US DIRECTION AND IN WHAT WE DO WITH OUR AGENDAS AND WHAT WE DO IS OUR MISSION WHEN WE MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN ACCOMPLISH, UH, IN IMPROVING OUR COMMUNICATIONS TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL BACK TO, UH, TO THESE BOARD FROM THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, I, I STILL THINK, UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE BOARD.
IT DEPENDS ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
THERE, THERE CAN ALWAYS BE TENSION WITH COUNCIL AND STAFF, UH, BEING REPRESENTED AT A BOARD COMMISSION MEETING DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS WANTING TO, UH, MAYBE INFLUENCE THE COUNCIL THROUGH THAT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PERSON BEING PRESENTED.
SO, UM, IT'S A GIVE AND TAKE IT'S, IT CAN GO GOOD OR BAD, NO MATTER HOW WE, UM, OR HOW COUNCIL DESIRES TO DO THIS.
I THINK THAT THE TRUST LEVEL BETWEEN THE COUNCIL PERSON AND THE STAFF IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE PRETTY IMPORTANT.
SO ARE WE ADDING LIAISONS ON, IT SOUNDS LIKE TWO PARKS, ACTIVE ADULTS AND LIBRARY, ADULTS ASK FOR IT.
WE CAN STILL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS AND HAVE THEM, UH, MAYBE DISCUSS THAT AS A TOPIC AND THEN DISCUSS MAYBE THE INTEREST AND THE WHY'S OF EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION, AND PROBABLY BRING BACK MORE TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL CAN DO AND WHAT THE BOARDS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FROM COUNCIL.
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I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, WHEN THESE, UM, COMMITTEES, I LOOK AT IT AS THIS IS NOT MY COMMITTEE, IT'S THEIR COMMITTEE.AND, UH, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS, I'M THERE TO DELIVER THAT MESSAGE AND VICE VERSA, BUT THEN WE SHOULD BE GETTING REPORTS FROM THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS, IF, IF THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S MORE OF A SUPPORT ROLE, NOT A, NOT A DIRECTIVE.
AND IN THAT WAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE NICE TO KNOW IF, IF THEY DO IN FACT, FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD BE BETTER SERVED WITH A COUNCIL LIAISON, OR IF THEY'RE DOING GREAT.
AND WE'D JUST BE IN THE WAY, WELL, WE COULD DO EVEN IS ALMOST A SORT OF HYBRID WHERE LIKE, LIKE PD THE WAY WE GET THE OFFICER IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND EVERY MEETING IS THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SIGN UP AND THEY SAY, THESE ARE THE, THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AND THEN SOMEBODY SIGNS UP FOR IT.
UM, WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGNATED PERSON THAT'S EXPECTED TO GO EVERY SINGLE MONTH, BUT HAS, YOU KNOW, JUST A SIGN UP OF HERE'S THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO SIGN UP TO GO TO ACTIVE ADULTS THIS MONTH.
SO THEY'RE GETTING FACE TIME WITH, WE TALKED ABOUT CONSISTENCY YESTERDAY THAT THAT APPLIES TO THIS TOO.
YEAH, I WOULD ALMOST, IF YOU WENT THAT DIRECTION, I WOULD SAY, IT'S THE COMMITTEE CHAIR THAT WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE SOMEBODY FROM COUNCIL, BUT I GOING FROM THE CONSISTENCY THING.
CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING ON.
AND YOU'RE LIKE, DID I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMITTEE WANT SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNCIL THAT YEAR? I THINK YOUR ASSUMPTIONS PROBABLY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT CONFIRMED, BUT IF IT WERE LIKE, I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WAS LIKE, IF THEY DO THAT ACTIVE ADULTS IN THE OLD TOWN OR TWO, THAT PEAK MY INTEREST, RIGHT? SO IF, IF THEY WANT SOMEBODY PUT ME ON THE SHORT LIST, RIGHT.
IF NICOLE WANTS THE SAME ONES, WELL THEN WHICH ONE OF US WOULD BE A BETTER FIT FOR IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND Y'ALL KIND OF IN THE, IN THE COMMITTEE, FIGURE IT OUT.
AND THERE'S OTHER, UM, NOT, NOT TO SPEAK TO THE MAYOR'S AD HOC, BUT THERE'S OTHER AD HOC COMMITTEES.
LIKE THE WHOLE TOWN MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE THAT ARE FORMED TEMPORARILY FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
WE CAN COME BACK AND MAYBE IDENTIFY A PROCESS FOR THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY MAYBE THE NEXT STEP FOR US, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE GO TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, MAYBE AS SOON AS WE CAN GET ON THEIR NEXT MEETING AGENDAS THAT HAS AT LEAST DISCUSSED THE IDEA, MAYBE OFFER EVEN FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE A COUNCIL LIAISON.
UM, MAYBE OFFER THE OTHER OPTION OF LET ME BACK UP.
SO WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, I WENT TO ALL THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONCE JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND SEE WHO WAS ON NC, WHAT, WHAT THEY DO.
AND SO I COULD BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH COMMITTEE DOES.
SO ON THE ONES THAT HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNED LIAISON, UM, I THINK THAT CONSISTENCY IS GOOD AND IT MAY BE THAT SOME OF THE COMMITTEES DON'T REALLY REQUIRE THAT CONSISTENCY.
AND THEN WE COULD DO THE SIGN UP WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOUR OF US DON'T SHOW UP AT, UH, AT THE PARKS AND RECS MEETING AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW.
UM, AND THEN SOMEBODY HAS TO LEAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR DISCUSSION BASED ON WHAT THE COMMITTEE FEELS LIKE.
AND, AND JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAT HAS, UH, BEEN, I THINK, MADE A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT DOORS OFFICE, ESPECIALLY OF MAKING SURE COUNCIL GETS THESE MINUTES, GETS THE MEETING MINUTES, UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE TOPICS ARE FROM THESE BOARDS AND CONDITIONS BEING DISCUSSED.
AND WE'VE LET EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION KNOW THAT.
SO THAT, THAT MAKES THEIR DISCUSSIONS ACTIONABLE.
A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE SOME OF THE BOARD AND COMMITTEES JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY FUNCTION ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SOME OF THEM JUST, THEY MEET AND THEY DISCUSS A NEW ACTIONS TAKEN.
THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNSELOR.
COUNSELOR HAS NOTHING, NOTHING TO WORK WITH.
WE KNOW THEY'VE TALKED, WE KNOW THEY'RE SPENDING TIME ON CERTAIN TOPICS AND ISSUES, BUT IT DOESN'T END WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
IT DOESN'T END WITH SOME DIRECTION AND STUFF.
UH, DOES TRY TO KIND OF FACILITATE THAT.
WHAT IS, IF HAVING A COUNSELOR HE IS ON IT IMPROVES THAT THAT COULD BE A, AN IMPROVEMENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, JUST KNOWING THAT THIS IS A PROCESS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO IMPROVE IT.
COULD YOU ALSO ADD THAT THE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT OUR ROLE IS THERE BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE NOW GONE TO ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT I'M NOT THERE I'M IN A SUPPORT ROLE.
I'M NOT REALLY THERE TO TAKE CHARGE AND TO DECIDE ON THINGS.
I MADE AN ORG CHART THAT WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU.
AND THAT, THAT MAY BE THE CORE OF THE DISCUSSION HERE JUST BY BEING PRESENT.
THERE, THERE TENDS TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON DISCUSSION, JUST BEING IN THE LEARNING THAT CAN INFLUENCE DISCUSSION.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF
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WHERE I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISNEY PERSON, BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE GET TO WITH HAVING A DESIGNATED PERSON IS IT CAN BECOME A SILO WHERE, UM, LIKE THERE'S BEEN A COMMISSION IN THE PAST THAT I WAS NOT THEIR LIAISON, BUT A COUPLE OF THEIR MEMBERS CAME TO ME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.AND THE COUNCIL PERSON ISN'T GIVING US INFORMATION, LIKE, BECAUSE IT CREATES AN AWKWARD POSITION OF, I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON YOUR LIAISONS TOES.
UM, AND SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE CYCLING THROUGH COUNSELORS, THEY'RE STILL GETTING THAT FACE TIME, BUT THEN WE'RE ALL SORT OF IN THE LOOP OF WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY CAN APPROACH ANY ONE OF US.
WE'RE NOT STEPPING ON EACH OTHER.
AND I ALSO FEEL ON SOME OF THEM, OUR PRESENCE, LIKE WHEN I WAS ON ARTS, SOMETIMES I FELT LIKE BEING AT THEIR MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE MONTH WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT FEEDS THAT FEELING OF, WELL, YOU'RE ONE OF US.
WHEREAS IF STAFF IS THERE ALL THE TIME AND I'M JUST A SPECIAL GUEST, SOMETIMES YOU CAN RELY ON ME FOR HELP WHEN YOU NEED IT, BUT YOU DON'T TURN YOUR HEAD AND LOOK AT ME WHEN STAFF TELLS YOU NO AND SAY, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMICS OF EVERYBODY THERE.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO STEP IN AND SAY, WHO SHOULD SAY WHAT, WHO SHOULDN'T SAY WOULD, WHO SHOULD BE DOING WHAT I, I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT YOU.
IF YOU NEED A CANCER THAT INVOLVES COUNSEL, LET ME FIGURE IT OUT.
OR HOWEVER I CAN SUPPORT STAFF.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT I FEEL I'M THERE TO DO.
AND JUST BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT DEPARTMENT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TO, UM, PROVIDE LIKE LEADERSHIP RELATED TO PEOPLE AND HOW THEY INTERACT ONE WITH ANOTHER.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOT COMMISSIONED POSSIBLE.
GO WITH WHAT MIKE WAS SAYING WAS GATHER THE INFORMATION AND BRING IT.
YEAH, I THINK IN A WAY IT'LL BE, UH, IT'LL BE WHERE TO SERVE AT HIS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ABOUT THEIR, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT.
SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
DID WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? ALL RIGHT.
LAST THING IS THE STAFF FEEDBACK FROM RON COX? UM, IT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER.
I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHO PUT THIS ON OR IF THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT IT OR WHO'S LEADING IT.
SO DID ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT OR DID WE ALREADY, I DIDN'T PUT IT ON, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT THE INTENT WAS TO GET IT TO WELL, IN CASE Y'ALL WANTED TO DISCUSS IT AT ALL.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON IT? WELL, I JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS VERY INSIGHTFUL.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY HELPFUL AND I MEAN, THERE'S SOME LITTLE COMMENTS IN HERE THAT ARE PRETTY CLEAR, AND IT IS A PERSPECTIVE FROM, FROM STAFF AND, UM, WE NEED TO LISTEN AND PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THESE BECAUSE THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE THAT THAT STAFF HAS OF US, WHETHER IT'S ONE OF US OR ALL OF US, TO ME, IF IT'S ONE OF US, IT REFLECTS ALL OF US.
SO I THINK THIS WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL, UM, IN, IN SEEING THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE SHARING WITH US.
AND SO, UH, AND I'LL KIND OF ADD TO MAYBE THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED THE STAFF DID PUT THIS ON HERE.
THIS WAS HOW WE INTENDED IT TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, NOT AT ANOTHER MEETING LATER.
UM, SO IF COUNCIL DESIRES TO DO ANYTHING, UH, FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, SEEING THIS INFORMATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE TO ADD SOMETHING TO AN AGENDA LATER OR DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE RECEIVING IT.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY DIRECTION OR INPUT, YOU CAN PROVIDE IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WAS PROBABLY THE RIGHT ONE TO DO THAT.
I WORKS COUNCIL ANYTHING FURTHER.
NAH, JUST IN SUMMARY, WE DID PROVE IT DID COME UP EARLIER AS THE PRIOR ITEM THAT WAS ON HERE.
BUT THIS IS JUST SAYING HOW IMPORTANT IT REALLY IS FOR US TO REALLY COME TOGETHER.
I WANT STAFF TO BE ABLE TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE WITH US ON ANY OF THESE THINGS, UM, AND FOR IT TO BE A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM TO DO SO.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, BUT LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I THINK IT IS OUR, IT IS OUR DESIRE AS A, AS A COUNCIL TO, TO, UH, WORK IN LINE.
AND SO, UM, I'M HAPPY THAT WE, WE ASKED FOR THIS, RIGHT.
WE ASKED FOR THIS AND, AND WE GOT WHAT WE GOT BACK.
WE GOT BACK AND SAID, HEY, WE CAN, WE CAN HELP OUR STAFF BY DOING THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT AS A COUNCIL TO, OKAY.
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ELSE? ALRIGHT.