[1. Open Meeting.]
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GOOD EVENING TODAY IS THURSDAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2022.
AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT THE LANDER CITY COUNCIL CITY.
[2. Roll Call.]
WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER CARE COUNCIL MEMBERCOUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD, COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM, NICOLE THOMPSON PRESENT.
SORRY, A COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS SURNAME, COUNCIL MEMBER, BECKY ROSS HERE.
[3. Discuss City of Round Rock proposal of temporary transfer of its reserved treatment capacity in the BCRUA to the City of Leander.]
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSS CITY OF ROUND ROCK PROPOSAL OF TEMPORARY TRANSFER OF ITS RESERVE TREATMENT CAPACITY IN THE BCRA WAY TO THE CITY OF LEANDER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE GRIM SPOKE.MAYOR COUNCIL, DAN GRUBS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, AND YES, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK, UH, AND, UH, INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT RELATED TO THEIR 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, UH, CAPACITY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE, UH, GEORGETOWN.
UM, BUT, UH, GEORGETOWN IS NOT IN A POSITION WHICH WE'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT NOT IN A POSITION TO RECEIVE, UM, THAT CAPACITY, UH, CURRENTLY.
SO, UH, THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE, ARE ABOUT CONTRACTS THAT ARE KIND OF CURRENTLY IN PLACE AS A REMINDER OF WHERE WE ARE.
AND THEN, UM, SO, AND THE CONTRACT THAT WAS, THAT WAS INITIALLY ESTABLISHED BETWEEN GEORGETOWN AND RON ROCK.
SO YOU HAVE SOME, SOME KIND OF BACKGROUND OF WHERE THEY, WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING, UM, AT THIS POINT.
SO THEY ESTABLISHED A WHOLESALE WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT, UM, WITH, UH, BETWEEN GEORGETOWN AND ROD WALK AND MARCH OF 2020.
UM, IN THIS CASE YOU CAN SEE THEIR NAMES MAYFIELD AND THEN COUNTY ROAD, 71 75, AND CURRENTLY THEY ARE TAKING THE FIRST ONE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COST THAT THEY'RE CHARGING HIM FOR THE CAPACITY, UH, PER MONTH FOR, FOR THAT WATER, WHICH WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 4 MILLION GALLONS IF THEY TOOK IT ALL.
THE ONE THAT STARTED IN MAYFIELD STARTED IN JUNE, 2020, AND THE ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO START THE 3 MILLION ON COUNTY ROAD, 75 WAS SUPPOSED TO START JUNE OF 2022, WHICH WAS OF COURSE THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE A, A, A VOLUME METRIC RATE THAT THEY, UH, THAT THEY WOULD BE CHARGED PER THOUSAND GALLONS, WHICH IS INDICATED.
AND THE CONTRACT WAS FOR 10 YEARS.
AND BECAUSE, UH, GEORGETOWN DOES NOT HAVE THE WATER LINE BUILT TO ACCEPT THAT 3 MILLION GOWNS.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO AMEND THE CONTRACT TO NOT TAKE THE WATER UNTIL JUNE OF 2024.
SO THE 1ST OF JUNE OF 2024 IS WHEN THEY THINK THERE'LL BE READY FOR THE WATER LINE.
AND IF WE MET WITH, UH, RON ROCK ON THIS, UM, A COUPLE OF TIMES, UM, TO INCLUDE A PHONE CONVERSATION, UM, THIS PAST WEEK, AND WE ALSO MET WITH, UH, GEORGETOWN, UM, ABOUT THIS AND DURING THE MEETING WE HAVE WITH GEORGETOWN, WE, WE COME TO FIND OUT THAT THE WATER LINE'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST A CONNECTION.
YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IT TO A DIFFERENT PRESSURE PLANE.
AND SO, UM, WAS GOING TO NEED A PUMP STATION AND EVERYBODY'S STORAGE TANK SUPPOSEDLY.
SO A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY WITH THIS IS ON GEORGETOWN'S TAKE, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO GEORGETOWN IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RECEIVE THE WATER AND GET IT TO THE CITY THAT THEY WANT, THEY NEED TO ESTABLISH, RIGHT.
OUR CONNECTION WITH THEM THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT CONNECTION THROUGH A METER AND MUCH SIMPLER.
UM, SO LAST WEEK WE FOUND THAT OUT.
SO RIGHT NOW THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH GEORGETOWN, UM, CURRENTLY IS, UH, WAS ESTABLISHED IN APRIL, 2020.
AND THEY STARTED TAKING APRIL ONLY THIS YEAR, UM, AND APRIL TIMEFRAME.
UM, GINA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THAT ONE.
THE CONTRACT IS FOR SEVEN YEARS.
AND THEN, UM, PER THE CONTRACT, WE DELIVER THE 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AS A RATE.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF 1200 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY CAN TAKE OUT OF LAKE TRAVIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH LCRA FOR THAT RAW WATER AMOUNT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR BASICALLY BASE FEE IS PER MONTH AND ON OUR BARI METRIC CHARGE, UH, PER THE CONTRACT AND SOME CAVEATS HERE, WHICH, WHICH IS GOOD UPON GEORGETOWN TO HAVE IN PLACE, BUT WE COULD ONLY CHANGE THOSE FEES, UM, REALLY EVERY THREE YEARS.
AND THEN THE TOP ONE, THE BASE STUDY HAS TO HAVE AN ACTUAL, UM, SERVICE STUDY DONE.
AND OF COURSE, PER THE CONTRACT, AS GEORGETOWN WOULD SAY, I WANT A COPY OF THAT TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PAYING IS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, UM, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CAPACITY CHARGE THAT RON ROCK WAS CHARGING.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE COST DIFFERENCE THERE FOR SURE.
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OKAY.SO THAT'S THE CONTRACT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH GEORGETOWN, BETWEEN GEORGETOWN AND LANDER.
WE DO HAVE ONE BETWEEN US AND LIBERTY HILL, BUT, UM, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THIS CONVERSATION PER SE.
SO THE AGREEMENT THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT RON ROD PROVIDED LANDER WAS AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT, AND THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.
IT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED THE EFFECTIVE DAY OF THE ILA, UM, WHICH I HAVE A COPY OF, UM, IF, IF, IF WE WERE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY TRANSFER THAT 3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY UNTIL MAY THE MAY 31ST, 2024.
UM, IT'S, IT IT'S ACTUALLY THE TREATMENT CAPACITY FROM THE BCRA.
SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE RECEIVING THE WATER FROM THE BCRA.
SO WE WOULD TAKE THEIR PORTION OF CONTRACT.
GEORGETOWN WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING.
THE WATERLINE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD IS TO THE BCR UAE AS THE POINT OF CONNECTION, UH, WE WOULD PAY THE, UH, THAT 50 K PER MONTH STARTING IN JUNE, 2022.
AND YOU'RE THINKING TO YOURSELF, DID THAT NOT ALREADY PASS, AND YES IT HAS.
SO, SO THIS, THIS, THE POINT THAT OUT THAT THAT'S WHAT THE INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT DOES SAY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE TIME THAT GEORGETOWN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING.
IF YOU GOT THE CONNECTION THERE, UM, THIS IS REASONABLE, RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR ALL WATER TREATMENT COSTS.
AND, UM, BUT WITH TALKING WITH ROUND ROCK AT WHAT I CALL THE DECK PLATE LEVEL, MY LEVEL, IT CAME ACROSS AS THE, THIS ALL AA IS, IS PRETTY MUCH NON-NEGOTIABLE MEANING WHAT YOU GET IS WHAT YOU GET.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF STRONG, UM, IN THAT SENSE, UM, FOR ME, UM, BECAUSE WE DID TRY TO TALK ABOUT INITIALLY BEFORE THEY PROVIDED THE ACTUAL ILA, UM, RON ROCK AND LEE ANDERS KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, WELL, CAN THIS GO BEYOND, BECAUSE THIS MIGHT HELP US FOR THE SUMMER OF 23, BUT YOU SEE IT STOPS BEFORE THE SUMMER OF 24.
AND SO THE COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT BACK TO THEM WAS WHAT CAN THIS BE EXTENDED THROUGH 24, EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE PHASE ONE D COMES ON, WHICH WHEN THAT COMES ON, WE GET 5 MILLION GALLONS, WHICH GREATLY HELPS US.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STOP GAP, GET US ALL THE WAY TO THAT POINT.
UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT WHAT CAN WE PAY JUST FOR THE SUMMER.
UM, AND THOSE QUESTIONS WERE KIND OF TAKEN BACK AND, AND RAISED TO WHATEVER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THE DECK PLATE PERSON RAISES.
AND THEN IT CAME BACK AS NO, THIS WHAT, WHAT YOU ARE HANDED IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT THAT WE DID ASK FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, HEY, CAN, CAN YOU CONSIDER THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY NEGOTIATING PER SE, BUT A CONSIDERATION BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY HANDED US THE, UH, ACTUAL HIGHLIGHT KIND OF THING.
SO, UH, NO INDICATOR, UH, THAT'S THE LAST ONE, NO INDICATION OF FURTHER CAPACITY PAST THAT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, GEORGE GEORGETOWN'S TIMELINES ARE TALKING WITH THEM.
UM, THEY ARE EXPANDING ONE OF THEIR PLANTS.
8.8 MILLION GALLONS IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE TO SUMMER OF 23.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE A LARGE PLANT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING FOR THE 175 MILLION.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET 22 AND 25 AND THEN 22 AND 26, BUT THEY KIND OF INDICATED THAT THEY MIGHT TRY TO GET ALL 44 AND 25, UM, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD.
NOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WITH OUR CONTRACT IS, WHICH IS KIND OF IRONIC, BUT, UM, THIS PLANT GETS THE WATER FROM THE, FROM THE BRA.
SO THEY GET IT FROM THAT SIDE.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE A 10 YEAR CONTRACT WITH LCRA TO GET WATER FROM LAKE TRAVIS.
SO EVEN IF IN THREE YEARS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DAN GRIMSBY WAS THINKING, YEAH, IN THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET THIS BUILDER FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THAT 3 MILLION, NO, IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE THE 3 MILLION BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH LCRI FOR THE WATER IN THE LAKE.
AND SO THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT WATER.
SO THEY WANT THE WATER COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FORWARD THINKING ON THAT ONE.
SO, SO GOOD ON, GOOD ON A GEORGETOWN KIND OF STATING WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH LCRA AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT GO TO THE END.
NOW THEY MAY BE ABLE TO WORK OUT SOMETHING WHERE THEY GET MORE WATER FROM WRONG ROCK WITH THAT 1200 ACRES.
I I'M AT THIS POINT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HAVE FROM, UM, LAKE TRAVIS WITH LCRA, OTHER THAN THE 1200 WITH THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM THAT I DO KNOW NOW, WOULD THEY TAKE THE WATER IN THE SUMMER? WELL, THEY KIND OF INDICATED, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GET SOME EXPANSION THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE, BUT JUST FOR THIS GROUP TO KNOW THAT, UM, THE WATER WOULD MOST LIKELY BE TAKEN THE ENTIRE SEVEN YEARS OF THE CONTRACT.
AND THAT'S HOW LONG OUR CONTRACT IS WITH THEM.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF TIMELINES FOR THEM AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND THEN, UM, THE CAPABILITY OF STILL WANTING TO TAKE, UM, TAKE WATER.
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UM, AND THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE FOR, UM, RON ROCK CAUSE THEIR CONTRACT WOULD BE 10 YEARS WITH THEM.AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY THINKING THE SAME THING WE BOUGHT THE WATER WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO CERTAINLY TAKE IT.
SO, SO THE, SO THE, THE PUT A LITTLE BIT OF HOW MUCH WATER WE USE IN THE CONTEXT.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE STATED BEFORE THIS SUMMER, WE WEREN'T TOO WORRIED AND YOU'LL SEE WHY IT'S KIND OF WORKING OUT.
AND THEN THE NEXT SUMMER, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A CONCERN.
UM, WE ARE TAKING ACTION AND, AND CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, EITHER GLOBALLY OR ENVIRONMENTALLY OR KIND OF HELPING LEANDRA IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO SAY THAT.
SO IN 2020, UM, OUR HIGHEST PEAK DAY FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR WAS 16.8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE A CAPACITY OF 25 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SO CRAP CURRENTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN IN 21, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD RAIN, UM, IT WENT DOWN TO 14.7.
SO, YOU KNOW, GREAT, WELL THIS YEAR, UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM JANUARY TO WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE IN AUGUST, IT STEADILY WENT UP AND WE HAD A PRETTY BIG JUMP IN MARCH.
THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED SEEING THE HEAT AND THIS YEAR HAS BEEN UNPRECEDENTED.
UM, THEY, THEY LOOKED AT APRIL, MAY, JUNE AND JULY.
AND THE WEATHERMAN SAID THOSE FOUR DAYS WERE THE HOTTEST FOUR MONTHS EVER, A ONE IN A BILLION CHANCE, SOME KIND OF SUPER HIGH STATISTIC, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WATER LEVEL KIND OF WENT UP A STEADIED OUT.
AND SO FAR WE'VE ONLY HAD 20.5 WITH KIND OF LIKE THE WORST SUMMER, OTHER THAN LIKE 2011 EVER, BECAUSE I THINK SEVERAL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO INCLUDE OTHER CITIES GOING INTO RESTRICTIONS AND SERIOUS ONE IS KIND OF PUTTING OUT IN EVERYBODY'S MIND.
AND SO I THINK IT'S THE PHILOSOPHY IF THEY HAVE CRUNCHY GRASS WHILE WE STILL CAN, WE, AND WE'RE ALL RIGHT WITH IT.
SO FOR ME, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO BE SUPER DRY OR SUPER WET.
AND 2021 WOULD BE WHY THE, ALL THE RAIN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR SUPER DRY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO, SO THIS SUMMER IS KIND OF ALMOST OVER AND AGAIN, WE'RE IN AUGUST.
AND SO WE GOT TO GO THROUGH AUGUST, PROBABLY THE HOTTEST, AND WE STILL ONLY HIT 20.
AND WE STILL HAVE MY 5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER CAPACITY, WHICH IS GOOD.
THAT'S ABOUT 80% OF OUR CAPACITY.
SO THIS IS A CHART YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
AND I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO KIND OF REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT, THAT HERE'S HERE'S 22.
AND WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE CLOSE TO 25, UM, MEMBER THIS CHART SHOWS WORST POSSIBLE CONDITIONS DOING NOTHING AND WHICH WE'RE NOT W WE'VE BEEN INITIATED YEAH.
WHERE AS POSSIBLE CONDITIONS DOING NOTHING.
AND OF COURSE WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT PHILOSOPHY.
UM, IN 23, YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S PROBABLY A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS OR SO 24, IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKIER.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SANDY IN PLACE.
WE JUST HAD A MEETING ON THAT TODAY TO TRY TO FACILITATE GETTING THAT DONE BEFORE THAT SUMMER IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE.
UM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO HAVE THAT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHEN ONE COMES ON AND BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT NOT RECEIVING THE FULL AMOUNT OF WATER, BUT, UM, BASED ON THE RAW WATER REPAIRS, UM, NOT WORKING OUT THE WAY THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE BALL JOINT BACK IN THERE.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GET A MOST LIKELY FULL CAPACITY AS SHOWN HERE.
MY POINT IS, IS THAT THE ILA AND I'M GRATEFUL TO RON ROCK AND I, AND I STATED IT TO, AT THE DECK PLATE LEVEL GRATEFUL FOR, FOR SENDING IT TO US, BUT IT DOESN'T GET US TO WHERE WE ARE.
AND IF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF GEORGETOWN HAD BEEN READY TO GO AND TAKING THE 3 MILLION, WE WOULD BE NO WORSE OFF OR BETTER OFF THAN WE WERE TWO WEEKS AGO BEFORE RON ROCK TOLD GEORGETOWN YOU'RE OKAY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE NEXT TWO YEARS, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A CONTRACT TO PAY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
SO WE'RE NO BETTER OFF THAN WE WERE TWO WEEKS AGO, IF WE DO NOTHING.
SO, SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT 23 IS PROBABLY OKAY, 24, WE GET TRICKY, BUT THE ILA DOESN'T HELP US FOR 24.
AND THERE WASN'T ANY INDICATION TO, UM, EXPAND THAT CAPACITY TO US EVEN THOUGH GOING AROUND WALK OR OTHERWISE, OR TO GEORGETOWN OR OTHERWISE.
SO AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO PUT ALL THIS AND SO FACTS, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, UM, AND THAT IN THAT MANNER.
SO, SO NOW WE COME TO THE KIND OF LIKE, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE NEXT STEPS? WELL, WHY WOULD HE NOT TO PURSUE THEIR CURRENT PROPOSED ILA? UM, IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF NEGATIVITY TO IT.
UM, UH, FOR ONE, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT $50,000 A MONTH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE 20 YEAR 24, YOU'RE PAYING $50,000 A MONTH FROM JANUARY TO MAY.
AND TO BE HONEST, UM, THAT'S NOT THE TIME WE NEED IT.
WE NEEDED JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER.
SO 24, DOESN'T HELP US AT ALL, STARTING FROM JANUARY.
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OTHER HALF OF THAT IS, IS THAT HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T START US IN JUNE BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE ALREADY PAST THAT.THE THIRD PART OF THAT IS, IS THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD GET IT WHEN WE NEEDED IT IN THE SUMMER.
NOW, COULD WE GET SIX MONTHS OUT OF THAT? YEAH.
MAYBE, BUT AGAIN, IT ONLY HELPS US FOR SUMMER AND THAT SUMMER DOESN'T LOOK THE WAY WE'RE GOING.
I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH IT.
IT'S ALWAYS A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THE RISK AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, UM, KIND OF GOING, WE CAN OF COURSE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT THE WAY IT IS.
UM, AND, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE DECK PLATE LEVEL, IT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE, SO WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET, UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY GO DISCUSS AND WE'VE DONE IT SOMEWHAT INTERNALLY.
WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND COUNTER OFFER.
UM, UM, IF THE CITY AGREES TO DO THAT, UM, AND DISCUSS FURTHER, UM, THE DISCUSSIONS PROBABLY SHOULD BE MOVED UP TO THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL, UM, MUCH LIKE IT WAS BETWEEN, UH, GEORGETOWN AND, UM, RON ROCK, UH, BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS I INITIALLY HAD WITH, UM, RON ROCK WAS, WELL, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO GET THE FUNDING EITHER FROM GEORGETOWN OR YOU AND I DON'T CARE WHO, BUT THAT WENT ABOVE AND ACROSS, AND THAT CAME BACK AS WELL.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE YOU.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF, AND IF YOU WANT TO SAY, LET YOU OFF THE HOOK FOR TWO YEARS.
SO, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME AND KIND OF GOING, OKAY, DAN GRISWELL, YOU'VE TOLD US EVERYTHING, UH, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WELL, I'M KIND OF WITH NUMBER ONE.
AND THE REASON IT'S NUMBER ONE IS BECAUSE, UM, RIGHT NOW I LOOK AT IT AS IF RON, IF GEORGETOWN HAD BEEN IN PLACE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULD BE RIGHT WHERE WE WERE.
AND, AND WE'RE TAKING ACTIONS TO FACILITATE THAT.
AND, AND, UH, BOTH CITIES HAVE PUT IN WRITING AND IT'S IN THE MEMO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE, UM, FURTHER EXTRA CAPACITY.
THIS HAPPENED TO KIND OF FALL IN PLACE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK I'M WRONG ARE GREATLY FOR OFFERING IT TO US, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S A, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A ONE THAT THE CITY NECESSARILY NEEDS TO PURSUE.
AND, AND, AND REALISTICALLY, WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME ON OUR HANDS.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, I DON'T THINK NEED TO JUMP ON RIGHT AWAY.
SO SANDY, BY FOR QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AND THIS IS JUST BASED ON THE LAND OR POPULATION, THE PROJECTED POPULATION.
I KNOW YOU'VE USED RATHER CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS BECAUSE WE CAN'T ARE NOT ANTICIPATING THE CONSISTENT 16%.
WELL, WE USE 12% FOR THE NEXT, THE NEXT YEAR.
SO IT WENT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT WENT TO 12, 12, 10, 10, 10, 7, 7, 5 FOR THE, LIKE THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE USING ANYTHING ABOVE 10 TO ME IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
UM, SO WE'RE USING PERCENTAGES WHERE WE'RE NOT REALLY, AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE, CAUSE I LOOK AT THIS, OKAY, THIS IS A SPREADSHEET WITH EXCEL.
LET'S JUST MANIPULATE THE NUMBERS AND MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY WE WANT IT.
I'M JUST SAYING, IF I, WHAT, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE I WANT THEM, I'M NOT SAYING SUGGESTED WE MANIPULATE THE NUMBERS, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
OH, WELL, IF WE CHANGED THE POPULATION, THEN THESE NUMBERS DON'T LOOK AS BAD AS FAR AS THE WATER.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM.
SO THEN, THEN I WANT TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WELL THE, THE HOUSING WHERE'S ROBIN, UM, THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THE PIPELINE, SO TO SPEAK AND WHEN WE EXPECT THOSE TO BE BUILT, BECAUSE WE KNOW IF THEY'RE THERE, THEY WOULD, THERE'LL BE FILLED, FILLED.
UH, HIS HISTORY HAS SHOWN US THAT.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT, UM, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO TIE EVERYTHING INTO, UM, BUILDING PERMITS AND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND SO ON, NOT JUST A PERCENTAGE OF THE, THE NUMBERS AND THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE, WHERE WE HAVE ANY, UH, CONTROL OVER THIS.
SO I BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL, THE TEXAS WATER PLAN FOR 2022 AND SPECIFICALLY READ THE SECTION IN, IT TALKS ABOUT TRYING TO PROJECT AND THE COMPLICATIONS BEHIND IT.
AND THE DEMOGRAPHIC IS THAT THEMSELVES WHO HAVE TROUBLE WITH PROJECTING WHAT POPULATION WILL BE.
AND SO I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING ME THAT QUESTION, BUT YOU RATTLED OFF YOURSELF, FIVE VARIABLES THAT GO INTO THAT.
AND SO EVEN THEY USE POPULATION AS BEST THEY CAN TO TRY TO GO FORWARD AND THEY'RE LOOKING BACKWARDS TO SEE FORWARD.
SO WE'VE HAD SIX YEARS OF GROWTH THAT BETWEEN 10 AND 12%.
AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING THAT NOW.
WE ONLY CONTINUED IT FOR A FEW YEARS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS UNPRECEDENTED TO KEEP, CONTINUE TO GROW AT 12%
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FOR, YOU KNOW, YEAR AFTER, YEAR, AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.UM, SO THAT TABLE, I THINK IS, IS THE BEST EXPERIENCE AND, UM, AND PREDICTABILITY THAT WE CAN, I THINK THAT THE STAFF AND THE TEAM AND K FREEZE WITH, WITH THEIR HELP.
IT'S NOT LOOKING AT, OKAY, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS THIS MANY HOUSES COMING ON BOARD.
WE EXPECT IT TO BE FINISHED IN SUCH AND SUCH TIME.
AND IT'S NOT LOOKING AT THAT NOW IN THE STRICTEST SENSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TAKEN AN ACCOUNT AS PART OF THAT, AS THAT, UM, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ROUGHLY 13,000 NEW WATER CONNECTIONS.
CAUSE YOU COULD SEE IN THE GRAPH, IT KIND OF SHOWS BOTH POPULATION AND NUMBER OF WATER CONNECTIONS THAT WOULD OCCUR FROM THAT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ATTACHED TO SAID CONNECTION.
AND THEN THE LUVS ARE NOT FIGURED INTO THIS EITHER THAT'S A SEPARATE, UM, PROJECTION OR CORRECT.
AND THOSE ARE ACTUALS, I GUESS.
AND I, I, I FOCUS ON WATER CONNECTIONS BECAUSE TO ME THERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOW THE GRAPH OF WATER CONNECTIONS.
AND GEORGETOWN DOES SOME SIMILAR SHOWING NEAR DEMAND PROJECTIONS.
HOW MANY WATER CONNECTIONS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE WATER.
SO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT.
I KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YOU DID, YOU DID IT THAT IT'S NOT IT'S WELL, WE KNOW IT'S NOT AN EXACT SCIENCE.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS FACTORED INTO THAT.
SO THAT, THAT DOES TELL ME WHAT I MEAN, BUT IT'S, THAT'S A RISK FACTOR, YOU KNOW, TOO.
AND THEN IF WE HAD THE PHILOSOPHY, WE'RE GOING TO SIT ON OUR HANDS AND DO NOTHING WELL, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING QUITE THE OPPOSITE AND, AND, UM, HAVE SEVERAL CIP PROJECTS GOING ONLINE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE BCRA TO MOVE THOSE PROJECTS ON AND YOU GUYS APPROVED A RESOLUTION TO HOPEFULLY MOVE A COUPLE OF DESIGNS AND PROJECTS FORWARD.
UM, RON ROCK DID COME WITH THIS PROPOSAL, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, UM, AS IS, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE FOR ME TO PURSUE IT.
BUT, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE CURRENTLY KNOW.
SO THANK YOU, MR. GRIMMS AT ALL.
CAN YOU REMIND ME PHASE ONE DAY? WHEN IS THAT COMING ONLINE? IT IS SCHEDULED FOR, UH, 20, 25, 20 27.
NO, THAT'S UH, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE, WHICH IS PHASE TWO AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE PHASE TWO ON, AND OF COURSE THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE COUNCIL, UM, TALKED ABOUT MOVING THAT FORWARD, UM, FROM AN OPERATIONAL AND A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT GOING.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S ON THE LIST TO WORK WITH THE OSI TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD.
SO I GUESS THE PHASE ONE D YOU SAID THAT THIS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WOULD GET US TO THE PHASE ONE DAY, BUT IT WOULDN'T OKAY.
IT WOULD NOT EVEN GET US TO THE SUMMER OF 24.
I KNOW WHEN I SPOKE TO, UH, AND HE DIDN'T HAVE HIS TECHNICAL STAFF WITH HIM AT THE TIME, UH, CITY MANAGER IN GEORGETOWN ABOUT POSSIBLY FINISHING THE PLANT SOONER AND GETTING OFF, GETTING OFF THE AGREEMENT SOONER.
SO THAT WAS TAKING IT BACK DOWN TO CHELSEA'S LEVEL THAT THEY NEEDED, BASICALLY OUR AGREEMENT TO PART OF THAT OVERALL PLANT CAPACITY.
BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONTRACT AND THEY, OF COURSE, I DON'T KNOW IF LCR WOULD BE AS, AS FORGIVING TO SAY, AH, YOU'RE GOOD.
YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY NEED IT FOR THREE YEARS FROM THIS POINT NOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU PAID FOR IT.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION IN SOME WAYS, ARE WE NOT TAPPING OUR, OUR A PORTION LCRA TOO? OH, WE ALL DO THAT.
I MEAN, T TO PROVIDE THEM NO, NO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S TREATED SEPARATELY.
SO WE HAVE A METER AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE TAKING AND THAT'S DIRECTLY RELATED TO THEM PAYING, UM, LCRA THEIR AMOUNT FOR WATER SEPARATELY THAN OURS.
AND ROBERT COULD PROBABLY TALK TO THAT A BIT MORE.
HE DOESN'T WANT HE'S IN, HE'S IN BUDGET ROAD RIGHT NOW.
HE'S I KEEP HIM ON THAT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID TAKE TO THINKING OUT OF THE BOX IS THAT WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO RON WALKER WAS GOING TO GET FUNDS FROM YOU, THE GEORGETOWN OR US.
THE REASON WHY WE MET WITH GEORGETOWN WAS TO SAY, LOOK, WE'LL, WE'LL DO SOME KIND OF A SPLIT WITH THAT CONTRACT.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE WHOLE THING TO NOT RECEIVE WATER, WHO WE LEANDER, WE'LL PAY SOME OF IT AND, AND GET SOME WATER AND WE'LL GO FORWARD AS A TEAM TO, YOU KNOW, BUT THE DILEMMA IS WHEN WE MET THEM, UM, THE WORD WAS WELL WE'RE OFF THE HOOK.
AND SO THERE WAS NO, AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS NO ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, UM, HELPING NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE
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NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BACK ON THAT CONTRACT UNTIL JUNE OF 2024.SO, BUT THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS, HEY, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK.
AND THAT'S WHY WE MET WITH THEM.
WE'LL WORK WITH GEORGETOWN TO FACILITATE, HEY, HELP THE TWO CDS HELP EACH OTHER OUT.
SO I DO WANT TO BRING THAT UP AS A, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE WHILE WE MET WITH, UH, GEORGETOWN TO THE, SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO FACILITATE THAT.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER KIND OF DIRECTION.
SO THE ONE OTHER QUESTION DAN WOULD BE, SO SINCE ROUND ROCK, I KNOW THEY, I THINK INKED A NEW SAMSUNG PROJECT.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT IF WE WERE TO GO BACK TO ONE LAST DIRECT DISCUSSION WITH THEIR MANAGER AND WITH MICHAEL FEIN WOULD BE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BETWEEN NOW, AND THEN THAT MIGHT DROP OFF THAT THAT WATER WOULD BE THEORETICALLY GOING TOWARDS NOT JUST GEORGETOWN, WOULD THEY HAVE ANY OTHER EXCESS CAPACITY THAT THEY COULD CONSIDER SELLING US IN THAT 24, 25 TIMEFRAME? WELL, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO COMMIT PASS, UM, 20, 24.
AND WHEN THAT 3 MILLION LEFT US AND IT GOES BACK TO THE GEORGETOWN NOW, WAS IT, THAT WAS, THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED AT LEAST AT THIS LEVEL.
AND SO IT KIND OF CAME BACK AS NO.
UM, THE FINISH OFF WITH GEORGETOWN TOO, IS THAT, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW COMPLICATED THE WATERLINE IS, IS BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN THAT CONTRACT WAS LET IN 2020, THEY HAD THREE YEARS TO BUILD THAT WATER LINE.
AND SO YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT, HEY, GET ON IT.
UM, OF COURSE WE KNOW WE, SHOULD'VE GOT ON A FEW THINGS OURSELVES, BUT THERE YOU GO.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT WITH GEORGETOWN, UM, AGAIN, PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT, THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET THE WATER AND PUT IT THROUGH OUR LINE.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS TALKS UNTIL YOU GET YOUR WATER LINE BILL, UM, OR MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THE WATER LINE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT TO A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY AND THE PRESSURE PLANE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE WATER LINE.
SO, UM, THAT IDEA WAS ALSO KIND OF, UM, STRUCK DOWN FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP ALSO, UM, DID THEY HAVE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THE COMPLEXITY OF THE WATER LINE.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER PART THAT WE ASKED GEORGETOWN, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE CONTRACT, BUT ABOUT THE WATER LINE.
UM, WAS THERE A WAY TO NOT HAVE TO BUILD IT, SAVE THEM MONEY AND WE COULD GO AROUND ANOTHER WAY AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT THEY PRETTY QUICKLY SAID, NO, WE, WE NEED THE WATER LINE WHERE IT IS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PUMP STATION.
AND THE MORE COMPLEX IS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTED GROWTH RATE IS UP TO DATE RIGHT NOW? I KNOW BEFORE GOING BACK TO WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, NO, BEFORE IT SHOWS 12% FOR THIS YEAR, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW? OR DO WE NOT KEEP TRACK OF IT LIKE THAT? WELL, WE PROVIDE YOU THE NUMBER OF WATER CONNECTION.
SO THE LAST NUMBER OF WATER CONNECTIONS, UM, AND MATTER OF FACT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT REPORT HERE IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES OR HALF HOUR.
SO WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE THAT WAS LIKE, HOW MUCH, SO THE, IT WAS 15% WATER CONNECTION, SO YOU CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT'S UP THERE.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE KIND OF ACCOUNTED FOR THAT, THAT THOSE PREDICTIONS KIND OF COUNT FOR THE NUMBER OF WATER CONDITIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING OVER AND SAID PERIOD OF YEAR.
SO, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE, WE HAVE THIS OFFER.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IT REALLY ISN'T HELPING WHERE WE NEEDED TO HELP.
UM, IT'S OVER 12 MONTHS, $600,000 JUST FOR THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD, BUT WE WOULD BE GOING LONGER AND WE REALLY NEED THE HELP FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN THE SUMMER THAT THE FULL CONTRACT WOULD BE JUST ABOUT 1.2 MILLION A LITTLE OVER FOR THE ENTIRE, YEAH.
OVER THE ENTIRE, WHICH IS MORE THAN A YEAR.
AND IN THE CONTEXT OF USE WOULD BE THREE MONTHS IN THE SUMMER.
AND REALISTICALLY, IT MIGHT ONLY BE FOUR, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T EXCEED OUR CONTRACT OR MINUS, IT MIGHT ONLY BE FOR A PEAK HOUR.
UM, WHICH AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IN DISCUSSION TO TALK WITH THE OSI AND IT'D BE SERGEY ABOVE GETTING THAT PEAK HOUR UP TO 1.1, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, HELP LEANDER IMMENSELY.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER THAT WOULD BE ME FOR US TO GO BACK.
I KNOW THEY SAY IT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE.
AND, BUT THAT DOESN'T EVEN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD START PAYING FOR SOMETHING IN SEPTEMBER.
THEY WOULD CHARGE US BACK FROM JUNE WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE NO ACCESS TO IT.
SO THE CONTRACT WOULD HAVE TO BE NEGOTIABLE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AND I'D WANT TO ASK FOR THE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED, WHICH WOULD BE COVERAGE IN THE SUMMER AND SEE IF AT SOME POINT WOULD BE AGREEABLE.
I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW, THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT, IT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT MAYBE AT THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL, OR IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GO BACK AND JUST HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, UM, I'D RATHER HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT, BUT WE ALSO NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF, WHICH IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS
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TO IT IN THE SUMMER, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP US.UM, YES, MA'AM, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T MIND MY OPINION AND, AND SOMETIMES TIME IS AS, UH, AS A FRIEND, UM, YOU HAD TO KIND OF LET IT, UM, UH, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WITH YOU AND ALL THEIR, THEIR STAFF, IF IT, IF IT'S BEST TO JUST COME BACK WITH OPTION ONE AND LET THEM COME BACK, THAT'S ONE THING, UNLESS YOU THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPEN DOOR TO HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION, BECAUSE WE'RE AT MY LEVEL, THERE SEEM TO BE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
SO THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS ONE IS, CAUSE THERE'S, THEY'VE SAID THERE'S NO OTHER CHANCE IT'S EITHER A OR B, RIGHT.
THEY SAID MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.
AND WE'RE SAYING AGAIN, I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, THAT THIS IS, UM, IT, IF IT WENT THROUGH ANOTHER SUMMER NOW, DO WE, IS IT WORTH IT FOR US TO PAY THAT MUCH MONEY TO GET US THROUGH THAT SUMMER WITH A CHANCE TO GET US THROUGH THAT SUMMER? THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
SO, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK I, I WOULD IMAGINE MAJORITY OF OUR COUNCIL CAN'T AFFORD TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
I AM, I GUESS I'M IN THE SAME POSITION TO PAY MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T GET HIM, I GUESS WHAT'S MAKES ME SCRATCH MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT IS IF GEORGETOWN'S OFF THE HOOK AND LAND OR WALKS AWAY, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE ROUND ROCK WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO WANT TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
AND, UM, BUT YEAH, SO, UM, I'M ALL FOR, IF IT NEEDS TO BE AT THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL, BUT TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AGAIN, BUT WE JUST CAN'T, WE APPRECIATE THE OFFER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, BUT THIS JUST DOESN'T MEET OUR NEEDS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHOOSE TO WALK AWAY.
IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, LET US KNOW.
IT'S I GUESS, WHERE I'M LEANING, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY THE SAME THIS SEMESTER, EVERYBODY, I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH DECISION.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, AND AGAIN, I COMMITTED RON ROCKFORD TRYING TO BRING THIS TO US ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I TALKED TO RON ROCK AT MY LEVEL AND, UM, KIND OF TOLD THEM MY CONCERNS AND ISSUES WITH THIS.
AND, AND HE UNDERSTOOD, UM, LET'S LIKE, UM, THEY UNDERSTAND WHEN, UM, THINGS SOMETIMES ARISE TO THE LEVEL WHERE OTHER DECISIONS ARE MADE AND, AND, AND THEY, THEY EITHER WHO ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS, HAVE THE BIGGER PICTURE ON, ON WHAT THAT IS.
AND SOMETIMES THAT OUR LEVEL, WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ALL OF IT CAUSE WE DON'T GO TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
SO I DID TALK TO HIM AND I WAS STRAIGHTFORWARD SAYING, HEY, THESE ARE THE CONCERNS THEY HAVE ON IT.
AND WHEN I GO TO THE WORKSHOP ON THURSDAY, UM, HOW I'M TO TALK ABOUT IT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS I CAN PROVIDE THE FACTS AND ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I DID, UM, LET THE COUNTERPART OR MY COUNTERPART KIND OF KNOW THAT AND BECAUSE PERSONALLY, AND I'LL LET THIS GROUP AND I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE, AND I SAID IT AGAIN TODAY DURING OUR MEETING THAT WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH, UM, WITH THE OSI AND THE OTHER PARTNERS THAT HE'S ON TO INCLUDE LIBERTY HILL, WHO WE JUST MET WITH YESTERDAY, UM, TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRODUCTS AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND HOW WE'RE HELPING THEM AND THE STAFF PUT IN A, UH, A MIXTURE IN A TANK AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING, UM, CLEARING RESIDUALS AT A HIGHER LEVEL AND SO FORTH, THAT'S WORKING.
UM, BUT THAT MEETING WENT WELL YESTERDAY AND HE LET US KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND AGAIN, WE COORDINATE WITH, UH, GEORGETOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT THIS TO COME ACROSS AS NEGATIVE AT ALL.
CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT IT COMES THAT WAY, BUT, UM, THERE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS AND THE WHOLE REGIONAL AREAS, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED.
AND AS THE DRUG GOES ON, IT'S GOING TO GET MORE COMPLICATED.
UM, YOU, YOU GUYS RECEIVED THE LCRA LETTER THAT KIND OF DESCRIBES WHERE THEY'RE AT AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, AND BEAR WITH ME, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GREAT WITH THE ENGINEERING STUFF.
SO OUR CONTRACT IS TO DELIVER 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO GEORGETOWN FROM OUR USE AT BCNU WAY.
AND WHAT ROUNDROCK IS OFFERING US IS 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF THEIR ALLOTMENT FROM BCRA.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE PRESSURE PLANES AND THE TAKE POINTS, BUT ISN'T, IS THERE NOT A WAY TO NEGOTIATE WHERE ROUNDROCK BASICALLY TAKES THAT CONTRACT AND IT'S A PASS THROUGH, LIKE THEY'RE GETTING PAID FOR IT, IT'S THEIR ALLOTMENT, BUT IT'S PASSING THROUGH OUR PIPES TO GET TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AS LIKE A REGIONAL THING.
UM, YES, I ASKED THAT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT, UM, AND IT'S THE ENGINEERING PART.
IT COMES IN AND, AND WE TALKED TO GEORGETOWN ON IT AND THEY INDICATED THIS TO ME, WHICH WAS, THAT'S WHY IT WAS SUCH A GOOD CONVERSATION.
WE TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS.
AND SO I, I APPRECIATE, UH, THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR COMING OVER AND TALKING WITH US, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, UH, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE GRADIENT.
OUR TANK IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN AIR TANK.
AND SO WE CAN GET THE WATER OVER THERE, BUT, BUT MUCH MORE THAN THAT WOULD, WOULD NEED A, UM, A PUMPING STATION TO ACTUALLY PUMPED THE WATER OVER THERE AT A, AT A HIGHER RATE.
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TO SAY, GO TO FOUR OR 5 MILLION GALLONS, UH, BASED ON THE LINE SIZE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO INITIATE, UH, MORE ENGINEERING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.THERE'S THERE'S ENOUGH GRADIENT DIFFERENCE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE WATER FROM LEANDER TO, UH, GEORGETOWN AT THE CURRENT LOCATION.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS ILA, ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THE SAME THING FROM ROUND ROCK AS WHAT WE ARE GIVING TO GEORGETOWN.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOT JUST ON PAPER MOVED AROUND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN ANOTHER PUMPING STATION.
WE ARE NOT IT'S, IT'S THE IDEA THAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR WATER CAPACITY FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU ONLY NEED IT FOR MAYBE THREE MONTHS.
AND THAT'S THE SAME REASON WHY GEORGETOWN DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR WATER.
THEY CAN'T EVEN GET, HOW DO YOU GO TO A CITIZEN AND SAY, I'M GOING TO PAY $50,000 A MONTH FOR WATER THAT WE CAN'T EVEN TAKE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I'M SURE THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT AT THE HIGHER LEVELS, I DON'T KNOW.
AND THE REASON THEY CAN'T TAKE IT IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR PLANT BILL.
THEY DIDN'T GET THE WATER LINE, THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR WATER LINE, BUT CORRECT.
WHERE WAS YOUR QUESTION THAT, THAT COULDN'T, WE HELP GEORGETOWN BY JUST PASSING THROUGH OUR PIPES, THE, THIS ADDITIONAL THREE MGD, THE DELIVERY STAYS THE SAME, THE WHO'S PAYING WHOM CHANGED.
SO, YEAH, THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS, THAT WAS ASKED.
AND THAT'S WHEN GEORGETOWN INDICATED TO US THAT THE GRADIENT DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT.
AND IF WE USE MORE OF THE HOFFMAN TAKE AND IT GETS LOWER, THAT PRESSURE GETS LESS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO US TO, TO, SO WE'LL THE WATER FROM THE BCRA TO GEORGETOWN VIA THE CURRENT CONNECTION, WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE A PUMP STATION OR, OR MORE ENGINEERING TO FACILITATE THAT.
SO THERE WOULD BE A, A DESIGN IN THERE AT SOME POINT.
AND AGAIN, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IF I STARTED TODAY WITH ANY DESIGN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING A YEAR AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE COMPLEXITY, SIX MONTHS TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND GET THE PARTS.
SO JUST ABOUT THE TIME WE ACTUALLY WOULD GET IT BUILT, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR IS BUILT AND THEY WOULD JUST TAKE THE WATER STRAIGHT FROM, UM, THE BCRA, WHICH WAS THE INITIAL ATTEMPT TO BEGIN WITH.
AND, AND, AND, AND YES, WE TRIED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
IT JUST, FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, TALKING WITH GEORGETOWN, IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE BECAUSE THEM NOT BUILDING THE WATER LINE WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT.
WE WOULD HAVE, WE GET A, PROBABLY WORKED A DEAL WITH THEM.
THEY STILL PAY, WE PAY ME, BUT WE WORK A TWO TO ONE RATIO.
UM, BUT, UM, FROM GEORGETOWN REMINDED US THE TECHNICAL ISSUES BEHIND, AND THEY REALLY, I GUESS MY UNDERSTANDING YOU NEED THE WATER INTO WHERE THEY NEED THE WATER COUNSEL.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE MR. BROWN? UH, THE ONLY THING ELSE I WANTED TO ADD SINCE SHELL YOU'LL ASK COUNCILMEMBER OVER THOMPSON ABOUT THE GROWTH RATE, THE THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LAG ON SEEING THAT COME DOWN IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SUBMITTALS THAT ROBIN'S NOW SEEING.
SHE SINKS SOME OF THE SUBMITTALS COME IN FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE STILL GETTING RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE STILL GETTING THE PERMITS, BUT SHE SINKS SOME OF THE PHASING THEY'RE GETTING CHOPPED UP INTO SMALLER PHASES.
SO SHE THINKS THAT ON THE BACKEND, WHAT WE MAY END UP ACTUALLY GET AS INTEREST RATES KEEP RISING.
AGAIN, IT WON'T BE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT, BUT IT MAY TAPER OFF SOME WHICH THAT WOULD AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PART WHERE THE DEMOGRAPHERS COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, YOU WON'T DO, EVEN IF YOU DO 15 THIS YEAR, YOU MIGHT END UP AVERAGING, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 12 LATER, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT DO, YOU MIGHT DO 10, THEN EIGHT, THEN SIX, AND THEN THEY'RE SPREADING IT OVER A DECADE.
SO WE WILL, I THINK ROBIN WILL BE ABLE TO PROBABLY A FEW MORE MONTHS BE ABLE TO TRACK IT.
IF IT BRINGS OUR YEAR TO DATE DOWN BY THE END OF THE ACTUAL CALENDAR YEAR, THEN WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA HOW CLOSE THEIR OUT YEARS ARE.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
UM, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I WAS THINKING DURING THAT DISCUSSION, THAT IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS SINCE WE'VE SEEN WHAT THAT PROJECTION VERSUS ACTUAL FOR THE YEAR IS.
AND I THINK, UM, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AGAIN, MAYBE JUST MONITOR IT QUARTERLY, JUST SO COUNCIL IS AWARE AND IN THE LOOP.
UM, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN IT COMES UP, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT VERSUS OUR PROJECTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL SAY AGAIN, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US AS FAR AS GENERAL DIRECTION WITHOUT US TAKING ACTION? UM, IF I CAN SUMMARIZE, UM, UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S A, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, BUT UM, THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR THE CITY CURRENTLY, AND THAT
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IS SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THE CITY MANAGER AT HIS LEVEL MAY RE-ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A HURRY.I THINK PRETTY MUCH WE APPRECIATE THE OFFER.
LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD PROBABLY SHOULD BE ENGAGED ON THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP IN THE FALL, UM, WITH OUR B SIRI WAY PARTNERS.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR US ALL TO DISCUSS IT TOO.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT TIMING.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT FROM THE SUMMER AND OUR CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
BILL, MR. BILL TURNER IS HE'S, HE'S WORKING AT HARD.
YES, MA'AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[4. Review of boards and commissions appointment process and related matters.]
ALL RIGHT.UNINFORMED REVIEW OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENT PROCESS AND RELATED MATTERS.
IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO THAT TIME AGAIN.
AND WE'VE HEARD Y'ALL EXPRESS SEVERAL TIMES THAT Y'ALL ARE NOT HAPPY WITH OUR PROCESS, AND WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO DO THINGS BETTER.
SO WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO COUNTERPARTS TO SEE WHAT THEIR CITIES ARE DOING.
SO WE BRING FORWARD AND HAVE A DISCUSSION SINCE IT IS GETTING CLOSE TO TIME.
SO JUST A QUICK REVIEW FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCDONALD, WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH OUR CURRENT PROCESS.
ONCE WE DETERMINE THE TRUE VACANCIES AND WE ADVERTISE FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS SOLICIT ON THE WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA AND IN THE HILL COUNTRY NEWS.
ONCE WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATIONS WE REQUEST FOR BIOS, IT CONFIRMED VOTER REGISTRATION, AND WE SUBMIT THREE QUESTIONS TO THEM THAT Y'ALL HAVE REQUESTED.
WE SUBMIT, AND WE COMPILE A PACKET FOR Y'ALL TO USE, UH, IN YOUR INTERVIEWS.
WE CONDUCT INTERVIEWS WITH ALL THE APPLICANTS ABOUT THREE MINUTES IS WHAT WE DO.
AND THEN AT THE SECOND MEETING AND, UM, OCTOBER Y'ALL CONDUCT APPOINTMENTS AND THEY'RE DONE BY BALLOTS.
SO EVERYBODY GETS TO WRITE DOWN THEIR CHOICES FOR THE VACANCIES AND THE HIGHEST ONES THAT RECEIVE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY VOTES, BUT NOMINATIONS ARE APPOINTED AND THOSE ARE TAKING THEM ONE ACTION.
UM, WE READ THEM INTO THE RECORD AND Y'ALL TAKE THOSE BY ONE ACTION.
SO WE PULLED SOME OF OUR COUNTERPARTS TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THEY'RE EITHER DOING SOME INTERVIEWS OR NO INTERVIEWS.
SO WHEN THEY'RE DOING NO INTERVIEWS, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT YOU HAVE THE APPLICANTS ALL COME IN, SIGN UP FIRST, COME FIRST SERVE.
THEY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND THEY STAND THERE AND TALK TO THE COUNCIL AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO TALK.
AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES IN.
SO THERE'S NO SET TIMES THE APPLICANTS COULD BE WAITING 10 MINUTES OR THEY COULD BE WAITING 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
AND THEN THEY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST MARK, THEY DON'T ASK THEM QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
THE CANDIDATES ARE CONDUCTING INTRODUCTIONS TO THEM.
THE OTHER WAY THEY ARE CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS AND SOME ARE SETTING TIME LIMITS AND OTHERS ARE SETTING NO TIME LIMITS, SAME PROCESS, COME IN, TAKE AS LONG AS YOU ALL.
AND EVERYBODY ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS FIRST, COME FIRST, SERVE, SIGN UP.
AND THEN THEY DO APPOINTMENTS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SOME DO IT AT THE SAME MEETING, AND THEY CONDUCT THOSE IN TWO WAYS, NOMINATIONS, UH, ON THE THING, THEY GO DOWN THE LINE AND EVERYBODY SAYS THEIR NOMINATIONS VERBALLY, WHERE WE DO BALLOTS.
THEY ALL READ THEM AND WHOEVER GETS THE MOST IS APPOINTED.
AND THEY TAKE THOSE IN ONE ACTION AS WELL.
OR THEY FIRST, WHOEVER RACISTS OUT AND MAKES THE NOMINATION LIKE WE USED TO DO, THEY DO IT THAT WAY.
AND THEN THERE IS ONE CITY THAT HAS, UM, THE MAYOR, UM, DOES REVIEWS ALL THE APPLICATIONS AND MAKES THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR PROCESSES AND WHAT'S OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT TOO FAR OFF FROM WHAT'S BEING DONE.
UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR Y'ALL LIST OF THE ATTENDANCE RECORDS FOR ALL THE BOARDS TO SHOW THAT WE DO SEEM TO GET A GOOD FIT FOR OUR BOARDS.
PEOPLE ATTEND THAT ARE APPOINTED.
WE DO HAVE SOME THAT FALL OFF AND THAT'S TYPICALLY DUE TO LIFE CHANGES WITH WORK OR COMMITMENTS.
THEIR CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP A LITTLE MORE, BECOME INVOLVED IN VARIOUS THINGS.
SO, BUT OVERALL, WE HAVE A REAL GOOD TURNOUT AND ATTENDANCE FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE POINTED.
SO A COUPLE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST THAT TO CONSIDER DOING WAS DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO A JOB FAIR, WHICH JUST OPEN EVERYBODY COME IN.
MY CONCERN WITH THAT WOULD BE THAT Y'ALL WOULD NOT TOUCH EVERY APPLICANT THAT COMES IN AND TALKS TO EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT THAT THEY MAY TALK TO TWO OR THREE OF YOU THEN LEAVE.
SO EVERYBODY WOULDN'T GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THEM.
OR, UM, ANOTHER ONE HAS BEEN THROUGH LIKE SPEED
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DATING AND THEY GO TO EACH INDIVIDUAL, BUT THEN THE SAME THING TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD NOT HEAR THE SAME CONVERSATIONS OR QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT HELP YOU TO THINK OF A QUESTION TO ASK THEM OR SEE WHERE THEY COULD BE A BETTER FIT, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS IT'S COMING UP.WE WILL START REACHING OUT TO CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS SOON TO SEE IF THEY'RE DESIRED TO BE REAPPOINTED, OR IF THEY DESIRE OTHER BOARDS.
AND THEN WE WILL START ADVERTISING TRUE VACANCIES IN SEPTEMBER WITH APPOINTMENTS, TAKING PLACE, THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER.
SO WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS.
UM, I LOVED THE BALLOT SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
I THINK IT TAKES A LOT OF THE, UM, DRAMA OUT OF IT.
AND IT TAKES OUT THE PRESSURE OF LIKE, WHO CAN SAY THINGS FIRST.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOME, SOMEBODY FOR A SPOT THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SAID, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE PERSON THAT'S LIKE, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW? SO IT TAKES ALL OF THAT OUT AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN FANTASTIC.
AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S TIME-CONSUMING, BUT, UM, BUT PERSONALLY I LOVE THAT.
I DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO JUST SHOUTING OUT APPLICANTS.
UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A JOB FAIR, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S COMPLICATED.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO JUST CHECK ALL THE BOXES AND THEY SAY, JUST PUT ME WHERE YOU WANT ME.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SET UP LIKE AN INFORMAL THING WHERE WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO BE PRESENT, WE CAN HAVE A SATURDAY AT THE LIBRARY WHERE WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR TWO HOURS TO JUST TALK TO YOU.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO BE AND KIND OF HELP GUIDE YOU TO WHAT YOU SHOULD APPLY FOR.
SO THAT IT'S KIND OF UNOFFICIAL AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG TO-DO RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN NOTHING.
AND RATHER THAN THE EVERYBODY GETS A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN YOU'RE OUT.
AND IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY AN INTERVIEW OF YOUR QUALIFICATIONS, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A, OKAY.
WELL TELL ME THIS THINGS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, LET'S MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT BOARD IS AND IS NOT BECAUSE WE GET THAT A LOT TOO, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH LIBRARY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT IT'S JUST FUNDRAISING.
UM, AND WE COULD INVITE THE CHAIRS FROM THE DIFFERENT BOARDS TO COME AND BE REPRESENTATIVES.
I'M JUST THINKING SOMETHING INFORMAL THAT PLACES, PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IT JUST ON US IN THE COUPLE OF MINUTES WE GET WITH THEM IN ADDITION TO, OR IN PLACE IN ADDITION TO, OKAY.
YEAH, WE COULD DO IT BEFORE THE 30 DAYS IS UP FOR THE, THE ADVERTISING.
THE THREE MINUTE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS A COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME.
SO I'M ALL FOR ELIMINATING THAT ENTIRELY.
I MEAN, TRULY IF THERE WAS EVEN BEFORE A COUNCIL MEETING, LIKE INSTEAD OF A WORKSHOP WHERE IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME MEET, BUT THEN WE DO HAVE THE PACKETS AND THE INFORMATION.
AND IF I WANTED TO REACH OUT AND CONTACT SOMEBODY OR CONTACT EVERYBODY THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
BUT YEAH, I THINK JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTE THINGS.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE'RE NOT INTERVIEWING THEM THAT MAYBE WE GET STUCK WITH JUST PICKING THE PEOPLE THAT WE ALREADY KNOW, AND WE DON'T MEET NEW PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO CALL THEM TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND NOT TAKE THAT.
AND I, AND IN A THREE MINUTE CONVERSATION OF WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE, BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY ONE QUESTION THAT GETS ASKED EVERY TIME, SO WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE THIS? YEAH.
AND SO NOBODY ELSE REALLY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
AND, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER STANDING AT A PODIUM OR EVEN AT A ROUND TABLE, YOU'RE NERVOUS AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A WHOLE DIFFERENT DYNAMIC WHEN YOU'RE TELLING SOMEBODY A GROUP OF SEVEN PEOPLE, WHY YOU NEED TO PICK ME.
IT'S I JUST THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE BETTER IN EITHER A ONE-ON-ONE SITUATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU ARE STILL MY FAVORITE INTERVIEW THAT WE EVER HAD.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHAT IF WE SUGGESTED LIKE THE WORKSHOP, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DO IT AS A MEET AND GREET THAT YOU'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE.
THEY COME, BUT IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO MEET WITH Y'ALL, TO TALK WITH Y'ALL AND FOR Y'ALL TO FIND OUT MORE, BUT WE WOULD LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR APPOINTMENT IF YOU DO NOT SHOW UP.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT Y'ALL COULD REACH OUT TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY BE HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE COULD DO IT THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER.
I WROTE MEET AND GREET DOWN HERE TOO.
SO THAT WAS LIKE THE THAT'S LIKE THE, I THINK THAT'S THE COMPROMISING.
SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE FOUND A LITTLE CHALLENGING IS WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE IS NOT HERE, WHEN WE'RE GIVEN THE, THE, UH, APPLICATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
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I MEAN, IT'S BLACKED OUT NOW.I THINK ONE TIME WE DID HAVE THAT WHEN IT WAS FOR A COUNCIL APPOINTMENT AND, UH, LIKE PNC OR SOMETHING.
SO, CAUSE I LIKED THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY ONE-ON-ONE I THINK THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE IN THAT SETTING.
UM, AND THEN IF THEY CAN'T THAT'S, IF THEY, IF WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE, BUT, BUT IT, IT'S KIND OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHERE IT'S NOT EXPECTED OF EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO TALK TO EVERY APPLICANT, BUT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
YOU KNOW, I MIGHT KNOW SOMEBODY, I DON'T NEED TO TALK TO THEM.
I'VE KNOWN THEM FOR YEARS AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THEM.
I WANT TO HAVE, THEY MAY HAVE CHECKED EVERYTHING.
AND THEN I GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU INTERESTED IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE ONE? SO IT KIND OF GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSONAL WAY TO, TO CONNECT WITH ALL OF THEM.
UM, BUT THEN STILL HAVE THE, THE SHORT INTERVIEW PROCESS IN CASE LIKE SOMEBODY IS JUST BUSY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS ON, YOU KNOW, A COUNCIL MEMBER.
THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THIS.
UH, CAUSE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES, DIFFERENT, UH, OBLIGATIONS.
SO WE'VE GOT 40 APPLICANTS, RIGHT? SO TO, TO CALL THAT MANY, YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT MAY NOT BE REALISTIC, BUT THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE ON THE LEVEL THAT WE CAN.
AND IT ALSO GIVES THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH US.
BUT WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, WE'VE GOT THEM HERE TO DO A QUICK INTERVIEW PROCESS.
WE CAN PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH THE CONTACT, WE'LL MAKE IT KNOWN TO THEM THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING THAT AS PART OF THEIR PACKET TO Y'ALL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR INFORMATION WILL NOT BE SHARED WITH ANYBODY THAT Y'ALL WILL NOT SHARE IT OUT WITH ANYBODY.
THEN THE OTHER THING IS I, I APPRECIATE THE KIND OF A QUICK DELIBERATION, IF WE COULD MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF DISCUSS WHO WE THINK IS GOOD, IS THAT NOT ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CAN BE MET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, ADVISORY BOARDS CAN NOT, YOU CAN DO A PLAN SETTING AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN BE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR APPOINTMENTS.
NO, MA'AM ONLY CERTAIN BOARDS CAN BE DELIBERATED, UH, IN THE DISTRICT.
AND ONE'S FOR, UM, THAT MAKE DECISIONS NOT, YES, NOT THE ADVISORY REPORTS.
AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THOSE BALANCE BECAUSE THE BALANCE OF, AND IF WE COULD JUST GO AND TALK ABOUT IT AND SAY, THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE.
I THINK IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM A QUICK INTERVIEW PROCESS AND THE BALLOTS, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
UM, SO HOW ABOUT WE DO A COMPROMISE FOR THIS GO ROUND WHERE WE DO THE MEET AND GREET THAT'S OPTIONAL.
AND WE STILL HOLD ON TO THOSE INTERVIEWS JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE WHAT IF THE MEET AND GREET DOESN'T GO WELL, OR WE DON'T GET ENOUGH OUT OF IT.
WE STILL HAVE OUR OLD PROCESS.
TELL US ANYTHING THAT THREE MINUTES, I FEEL LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF HOUR TO AN HOUR AND A HALF OF MEET AND GREET BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT HOW LONG WE'RE IN THERE AND MEET WITH EVERYBODY INDIVIDUALLY.
ANYWAYS, IT GIVES PEOPLE DIFFERENT TIMES I CAN COME INTO.
SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE THERE WHEN IT STARTS.
THEY CAN COME, YOU KNOW, HALF HOUR, 45 MINUTES INTO IT, IF, IF NEEDED TRUE.
BUT NEITHER OF THOSE WOULD BE MANDATORY FOR COUNSEL.
SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF THE THREE MINUTE INTERVIEWS, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE THIS, LIKE A WORKSHOP.
AND IF, IF, IF THERE'S AN INTERVIEW PROCESS, I'M, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO BE THERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY OPTIONAL.
IF IT'S PART OF THE NORM, I'M SORRY, BUT PART OF THE NORMAL PROCESS, BUT ADDING A SATURDAY, IT'S LIKE, I DON'T HAVE A SATURDAY MIND SUGGESTION COMPROMISE AND YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE WITH, IT WOULD BE TO, UM, SKIP THE INTERVIEWS, HAVING THE MEET AND GREET INSTEAD OF A WORKSHOP.
AND THEN I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR THE BALLOT THING, BUT I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU WOULD LIKE BETTER? NO.
UM, BUT THEN IF, IF WE, IF THE APPLICANTS KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHARE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, BUT THE APPLICANTS ALSO KNOW THAT THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US.
UM, THEN THE NURSE, THAT ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE PRIOR TO US MAKING THAT DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING OR WHATEVER THE FOLLOWUP WOULD BE.
SO IF I HEAR CORRECTLY, WHAT MAYBE THE COMPROMISE BETWEEN ALL HERE, EVERYBODY WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
WHAT IF WE DO THE MEET AND GREET THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, OF OCTOBER ONE THAT WE SPEND THAT HOUR WITH MEET AND GREET PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND IF PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE, WE CAN START IT AN HOUR EARLIER FROM FIVE, DO IT FROM FIVE 30 TO SEVEN.
THAT GIVES EVERYBODY AN HOUR AND A HALF TO COME AND GO.
Y'ALL HAVE ALL THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION TO REACH OUT TO THEM, APPLICANTS THAT ARE UNKNOWN TO EVERYBODY.
NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
AND WE CAN GROUP UP WITH THOSE THAT WE DON'T, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME IN AND MAYBE CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW WITH THEM OR TRY TO REACH OUT TO THEM.
AND IF YOU CAN'T REACH OUT TO THEM, ALLOW THEM AN OPPORTUNITY
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TO COME IN OR TO REACH OUT TO Y'ALL TO TELL THEM TO CALL.WE CAN CONTACT THEM AND TELL THEM TO CALL, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CAN EMAIL Y'ALL OR CALL YOU Y'ALL.
I THINK FOR SIMPLICITY, UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THE MEET AND GREET IS GOING TO GO VERY, VERY, VERY WELL.
AND SO IF WE NEED TO DO BOTH FOR AN OPTIONAL THING FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEN HAVE THE INTERVIEWS FOR THIS, THIS ROUND, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT IF, IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE MEET AND GREET GOES REALLY WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER USE OF TIME IF WE ALL FEEL THAT WAY, IF IT WORKS WELL, THEN THAT CAN BE A TEST RUN.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. CRABTREE OR MAYBE IT'S FOR PAGE.
UM, SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD FOLLOW THIS SAME FORMAT BECAUSE WHAT WE DID LAST TIME, I THINK, HAS BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE ELECTION.
SO CAN WE JUST HAVE A REVIEW OF THAT? SO EVERYONE'S KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THAT PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD WORK THE SAME PROCESS, AND WE'D BE FINE WITH, UH, JUST SORT OF AN AGREEMENT AMONG OURSELVES TO HOLD TO WHAT WE SAID LAST YEAR, FOR SURE.
THAT SINCE WE DID IT IN GOOD FAITH LAST YEAR BEFORE IT WAS, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR PAGE BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION, BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION.
THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT PAY.
WE SAID TO DO CHANGE TO BEING SET IN STONE, BUT YEAH.
MS. SIGNS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, YEAH.
HAZARD, IS THERE CODE UPDATED ONLINE OR IS OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES UPDATED? IT'S WE'VE GOT THE LATEST, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT'S LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
TO REVIEW THAT AND GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO MAKE SURE I'M THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE MEET AND GREET MS. CRABTREE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE ATTENDING TO HAVE NAME TAGS, BUT STATE THEIR NAME AND WHAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR? SO WE CAN KIND OF GET IT REAL QUICK AND HAVE THAT MNEMONIC SORT OF OKAY.
SOMETIMES THEY, SOMETIMES THEY PLAY FOR LIKE SEVEN MONTHS IF THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE WELL, IF WE ASK THEM TO FILL IT OUT THEMSELVES, IT MIGHT KIND OF PUSH THEM TOWARDS NARROWING IT DOWN FOR US A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, BUT ALSO IF THEY GO, OH, I CAN'T FIT SEVEN, THEN WE'LL BE LIKE, NOW, YOU KNOW HOW WE FEEL? UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS I KNOW WE REQUIRE A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM THEM.
WE REQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR VOTER ID AND THEIR, UM, THEIR APPLICATION AND THEIR, UM, THEIR BIO.
I THINK IT SAYS IT'S, UM, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'S A RESUME, IT'S A RESUME, BUT CAN WE ASK FOR JUST, UH, AN INTRODUCTION LETTER? CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OUT OF INTRODUCTION LETTERS THAN A LOT OF THAT.
AND THEN WE AT LEAST HAVE A STARTING POINT.
SO LIKE WHEN I MENTIONED EARLIER, BECKY IS MY FAVORITE INTERVIEW EVER BECAUSE IT WAS MY FIRST TIME DOING INTERVIEWS AND, AND WE GO TO INTERVIEW BECKY AND SHE'S GOT ALL THIS EXPERIENCE ON THERE, NOT JUST IN BUSINESS, BUT LIKE HER PTA STUFF.
AND I WAS LIKE, HEY, PTA, MOM, LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR ROLE IN PTA.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I COULD IDENTIFY WITH.
AND I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES WITH THE RESUMES, IT'S VERY CLINICAL AND YOU CAN'T FIND THOSE LITTLE BITS OF SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CONNECT WITH OUTSIDE OF THE WORK WORLD TO FIND WHO THE PERSON IS, WHAT MAKES THEM LIGHT UP WHEN THEY TALK.
AND I FELT LIKE THAT WAS ALWAYS SO USEFUL WHENEVER WE FIND THAT IN SOMEBODY.
SO YEAH, WE CAN DO, WE CAN ASK FOR INTRODUCTION LETTERS, THE THREE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ASKING THEM ARE, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT RELATES TO ONE OR MORE OF YOUR SELECTIVE BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS? IF SO, PLEASE DESCRIBE, HAVE YOU EVER PARTICIPATED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES AS AN EMPLOYEE VENDOR OR VOLUNTEER? IF SO, PLEASE DESCRIBE, HAVE YOU EVER ATTENDED A PUBLIC COUNCIL BOARD OR COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE? IF SO, PLEASE DESCRIBE, ARE THOSE STILL GOOD QUESTIONS FOR Y'ALL OR YOU WISH TO CHANGE THOSE? I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD, BUT MAYBE ADD, WHY ARE YOU PASSIONATE ABOUT THE BOARDS THAT YOU'RE APPLYING TO? WHY ARE YOU INTERESTED? AND THAT COULD HELP US WHEN WE GET THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING TO FIVE OF THEM.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
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TO THREE DIFFERENT BOARDS.WHAT ARE YOU INTERESTED IN? WHAT ARE YOU MOST INTERESTED IN? I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD PUT THAT UP FRONT.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS THINK WILL BE HELPFUL? OH, IT JUST BE, AS YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS, MY THOUGHT IS WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS APPLICATION PROCESS TOO LONG OR SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO GET HALFWAY THROUGH IT AND GO, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THESE RUN-ON THESE, ALL THESE NARRATIVE QUESTIONS.
SO I'LL THINK I'LL JUST DO A RESUME OPTIONAL HUNT, WHICH IS, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS TOO CUMBERSOME.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, WE'RE GOING TO DO A MEET AND GREET FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.
WE'LL START AT FIVE 30, THEN WE'LL WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT GOES BEFORE WE SCHEDULE.
UM, IF IT'S AN EXCELLENT TURNOUT BY THE VAST MAJORITY WE'LL BYPASS ON THE THREE MINUTE INTERVIEWS, IF IT'S A LOW TURNOUT, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE THREE MINUTE INTERVIEWS AND THEN, UM, THE BALLOTS ARE GOOD AND WE'LL HAVE NAME TAGS AND ASK FOR INTRODUCTION LETTERS AND, AND INSTEAD OF RESUMES AND PLACE IT RIGHT, THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, YOU MEAN THE OCTOBER, THE OCTOBER, THE 10TH FADING.
AND, UM, DO YOU WANT TO JUST PUT AN ACTION ITEM ON THAT AGENDA THAT SAYS THAT WE'LL DECIDE THEN IF WE'RE DOING THAT WAY, WE CAN HAVE HIS COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THEN JUST ONE MORE QUESTION TO ADD ONTO THAT, UM, WOULD BE JUST, UH, TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF.
I THINK, SEE WHERE THEY GO WITH IT.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS THINK? OKAY.
WE RAN A LITTLE BIT OVER, SO WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP.
PLEASE BE BACK IN YOUR SEATS AT 7 0 6 FOR A REGULAR MEETING.
[5. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS THURSDAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2022.
AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL PRO TEMP THOMPSON.
WE'LL BE PROVIDING THE INVOCATION TONIGHT.
FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION, PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR BLESSINGS TOWARDS US TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US ALL TO THIS MEETING.
I JUST COME PRAYING THAT YOU WOULD TOUCH EACH ONE OF US.
THAT'S ON COUNCIL, EACH STAFF MEMBER, EACH RESIDENT OF OUR CITY.
DEFINITELY FATHER HELP US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OF OUR CITY.
GIVE US GUIDANCE, GIVE US DIRECTION AND HELP US TO PRESS FORWARD.
DEFINITELY FATHER IN JESUS NAME, WE PRAY AND ASK IT ALL.
[6. Roll Call.]
THE SECRETARY CRABTREE, WE PLEASE CALL ROLL.COUNCIL MEMBER, KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME MATT GIGGLE AND GLORIA HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, DAVID MACDONALD, YOUR MAYOR, PORT TIM NICOLE THOMPSON, PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER, CHRIS SURNAME, COUNCIL MEMBER, BECKY ROSS, MAYOR, CHRISTINE DE LA HERE.
QUORUM IS PRESENT THE CITY COUNCIL'S ELIGIBLE.
[7. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda. Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council. [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.] ]
TO NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE THEIR POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS IS A TIME FOR YOU TO COMMUNICATE WITH COUNCIL, BUT WE CANNOT HAVE A DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH FROM THE DIOCESE.
SO WITH THAT, I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP FIRST UP IS COLETTE FLORMAN.
GOOD EVENING, MS. FOREMAN, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT THIS EVENING.
MY NAME IS COLETTE FLORMAN AND I LIVE AT 2237 RING STAFF ROAD HERE IN LEANDER IN THE BRYSON HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU MY THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF SWEETWOOD LANE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT IS IT'S ONLY IN MY SECTION OF THORNBERRY AND BRYSON.
UH, I LIVE ON RING STAFF ROAD AND THEN THORNBERRY OR EXCUSE ME, SWEETWOOD ENDS HERE.
AND RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS THAT SWEETWOOD WOULD BE EXTENDED OUT TO 180 3 BECAUSE THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
UH, THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS CALLED THE COTTAGES AT SAN GABRIEL.
THEY WILL BE RENTAL HOMES, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, ONE STORY, AND TWO STORY.
UH, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE ABOUT EXTENDING OUT THIS STREET IS THAT, UH,
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THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT PLAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON RING STAFF.UM, DEFINITELY DON'T WANT ANY OF OUR KIDS RUNNING DOWN THIS NEW DEVELOPED STREET OUT INTO 180 3.
UH, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ACCESSING THE PLAYGROUND THAT WILL BE BUILT IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ALSO THIS, THE RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE LIVING THERE WILL HAVE NO NEED TO COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BRYSON.
UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE IN 2018, WHEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY, THIS WAS BEFORE ANY HOMES WERE BUILT IN ON MY STREET, UH, ENTERING STAFF.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED IN MAY OF 2018.
SO IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING HILL THAT THERE WOULD BE NOBODY FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS, UH, OPINIONS OR GIVE ANY FEEDBACK TO THE EXTENSION OF THIS ROAD.
UM, SO I, MY REQUEST WOULD BE IF WE, IF IT'S, THERE'S AN ABILITY TO PERHAPS PRESS PAUSE ON THE EXTENSION OF THIS STREET UNTIL FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT CAN BE SHARED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, JUST, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY ARE MET, BUT ALSO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR VOICES BE HEARD WHEN THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT STARTS TO HAPPEN.
UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR FROM ME AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN SOON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY TELEPHONE FIVE ONE SEVEN SWEETWOOD LANE UNDER TEXAS.
I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE BEFORE.
I DO WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO Y'ALL AND OTHER CITIZENS.
UM, THE GANG THERE, UH, I SHARED SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS IF I HAD A FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR, SO THAT FOREMAN HAS, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON NON-AGENDA ITEM COMMENTS.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, MOVING
[8. Staff Reports Public Works update]
ALONG TO STAFF REPORTS, WE HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS UPDATE WITH PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ELLISON, GOOD EVENING.UM, THIS UPDATE WILL COVER SOME OF THE LAKE LEVELS AND DROUGHTS SINCE WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD UPDATE ABOUT CONSERVATION AT THE RETREAT, AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH SOME MORE CONSERVATION ITEMS AND THE USAGE AND EVERYTHING AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO AS OF AUGUST ONE, UM, THE TWO COMBINED LAKES ARE AT 58%.
THAT'S ABOUT 6% DOWN FROM WHERE THEY
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WERE LAST MONTH.UM, THEY'RE SHOWING LAKE TRAVIS LOSING ABOUT ONE FOOT A WEEK, UM, IN, IN LIKE LEVEL.
SO IT'S, I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S HOT AND DRY.
UM, I WANTED TO SHARE THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, UM, SHOWING THE DROP MAPS AND HOW QUICKLY THINGS CAN CHANGE.
SO, UM, CURRENTLY ABOUT 88% OF TEXAS IS IN A SEVERE TO EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT.
UM, AND ABOUT 24 MILLION PEOPLE ARE, UM, IN SOME SORT OF DROP CONDITION.
UM, JUST ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 36% IN THOSE, IN THAT SEVERE TO EXTREME OR SORRY, SEVERE TO EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UM, ALMOST NO, ACTUALLY 0% WAS IN THAT CATEGORY.
SO, AND THEN I THOUGHT THIS NEXT ONE AT A CONFERENCE I WENT TO, UM, JUST ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THINGS CAN CHANGE WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF GOING, UM, IN MAY, 2010 TO ALMOST THE ENTIRE STATE IS IT'S THAT EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT.
AND, UM, LCRA ALSO PUTS OUT THIS, UM, GRAPH AND THEY'VE, UM, PUT OUT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND JUST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW SERIOUS THIS DROUGHT, UM, CAN BE AND IS ALREADY, UM, THEY HAVE HISTORIC LOW INFLOWS SO THAT THE CURRENT 2022 INFLOWS ARE THIS LIGHTER PURPLE COLOR.
AND, UM, JANUARY TO JULY IS LOWER THAN ANY OF THE HISTORY OF, OF, UM, THE INFLOWS TO THE LAKES.
SO THE, THE LIGHTER BLUE IS THE AVERAGE FROM 1942 TO 2021.
AND THEN THIS IS, UM, 2008, EXCUSE ME, TO 2015.
UM, EVEN WITH, I MEAN, THIS VERY DAUNTING GRAPH, UM, LCRA REMINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW THE LAKES ARE DESIGNED TO OPERATE.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY PLAN FOR THESE, THEY CAPTURE THE WATER WHEN IT'S WET AND, AND OPERATE.
AND THEY'RE STILL AT 58%, EVEN SIMILAR, LIKE DAN TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HOT AND DRY AND WE'RE STILL 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL, UM, THAT IT MIGHT NOT RAIN FOR A WHILE.
SO, AND THEY ALSO, I, I SHOW THE COMBINE LAKES, BUT THEY ALSO, UM, PUT OUT PROJECTION PROJECTIONS, UM, JUST FOR LAKE TRAVIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WELL, SINCE APRIL WE'VE REALLY DECLINED AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE, AND THEN MAYBE INTO THE FALL, THEY SEE IT KIND OF POSSIBLY LEVELING OFF UNLESS WE GET SOME FALL RAINS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATION IS, IS EVER MORE IMPORTANT PROBABLY THAN IT EVER HAS BEEN.
UM, IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN, BUT WE NEED TO BE EVEN MORE, MORE MINDFUL IN IN TIMES LIKE THESE.
SO I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA COUNCIL.YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 18.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY ITEM 19
[19. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 21-CP-016 to adopt the South 40 Major Roadways Concept Plan and Subdivision Case 21-PP-020 to adopt the South 40 Major Roadways Preliminary Plat on two (2) parcels of land approximately 20.20 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031721 and R321825; generally located west of the intersection of US 183 and Heritage Grove Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Cases 21-CP-016 and 21-PP-020 as described above. ]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CPA 0 1 6 TO ADOPT THE SOUTH 40 MAJOR ROADWAYS CONCEPT PLAN AND SUBDIVISION CASE 22, PTA 0 2 0 TO ADOPT THE SOUTH 40 MAJOR ROADWAYS PRELIMINARY PLAT ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 20 POINT 20 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS DESCRIBED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SOUTH 40 MAJOR ROADWAYS, A CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, THIS, UH, PROJECTS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF HERITAGE GROVE ROAD AND IT'S CREATING, UM, A ROAD NETWORK.
THAT'S GOING TO EXTEND FROM HERITAGE GROVE AND CONNECT TO BRODE WHERE IT STOPS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A COLLECTOR ROADWAY THAT CONNECTS BACK TO 180 3.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
SO THEIR NEXT STEP WILL BE TO SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND A FINAL PLAT.
UM, THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST AT THEIR MEETING ON JULY 28TH, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THERE IS NO APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
THERE'S NOBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? OKAY.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTUAL REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 21, CP 0 1 6 AND 21 P P 0 2 0 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[20. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case 22-CP-004 to adopt the Gabriel’s Horn Development Concept Plan on four (4) parcels of land approximately 17.82 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R022218, R500872, R500871, and R473804; generally located at the northwest corner of Ronald Reagan Boulevard and Gabriel’s Horn Road., Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case 22-CP-004 as described above. ]
ITEM 20, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 22, CP 0 0 4 TO ADOPT THE GABRIEL'S HORN DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT PLAN ON FOUR PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 17.82 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE[01:15:01]
AS DESCRIBED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE GABRIEL'S HORN CONCEPT PLAN.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
UM, THE COUNCIL DID RECENTLY APPROVE THIS ANNEXATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY FOR THIS PIECE.
UM, GABRIEL'S HORN, ROAD'S GOING TO CONNECT AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS THEIR NEXT PHASE, UM, THIS REQUEST WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEY MEET ALL OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTS REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE 22, CP 0 0 4 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[21. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Comprehensive Plan Case 21-CPA-009 to amend the Comprehensive Plan land use category from Multi-Use Corridor to Neighborhood Residential and to amend Transportation Master Plan to change the classification of Live Oak Road to a local street and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-030 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to SFR-2-B (Single-Family Rural) and LO-2-B (Local Office) on nine (9) parcels of land approximately 308.288 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R356046, R473837, R022920-R022923, R473838, R473839, and R022941; and generally located to the west of the intersection of Oak Creek Road and N. Bagdad Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Case 21-CPA-009 as described above. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 21-Z-030 as described above.]
ITEM 21, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE 21, CPA 0 0 9.TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY FROM MULTI-USE CORRIDOR TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AND TO A MEN TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN TO CHANGE THE CLASSIFICATION OF LIVE OAK ROAD TO A LOCAL STREET AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 0 3 0 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM AS A FAR ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL TO SFR TO BE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL AND L O TO BE LOCAL OFFICE ON NINE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 308.28 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS DESCRIBED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SOLVENT TRACT.
UM, THIS REQUEST INCLUDES THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS FOR THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT.
UM, FIRST THEY HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE AREA ADJACENT TO BAGHDAD ROAD IS IDENTIFIED AS A MULTI-USE CORRIDOR.
THAT CORRIDOR DOES NOT SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY RURAL USES.
UM, WITH THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT STARTED OUT WITH A REALLY LARGE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDED APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND UNITS, WHICH WAS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL FOR THE AREA.
THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH WASTEWATER.
IT HASN'T BEEN EXTENDED TO THAT SITE, SO THERE'S A BIG COST.
AND, UM, THEY HAD APPROACHED THE CITY ABOUT, UM, DOING A MUD OR A PID TO HELP FINANCE IT.
UM, AFTER SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, THEY, THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THE PROJECT TO SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, WHICH FITS BETTER WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, BUT IT DOES CAUSE AN ISSUE WHERE THEY'RE NOT SEEING THE WASTEWATER.
SO THEY'RE ASKING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL REQUIRED ALONG BAGHDAD.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THEIR FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE THIS.
SO THE YELLOW IS ADDED RIGHT HERE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS POCKET OF COMMERCIAL AT THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND THERE'S ZONING REQUEST.
SO ANOTHER PART OF THE REQUEST IS CHANGING THE CLASSIFICATION OF A ROADWAY ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO IN THIS SOUTH SECTION, THIS IS LIVE OAK ROAD.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, IDENTIFIED AS A COLLECTOR CLASS ROADWAY THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY CONNECT TO LAKELINE.
UM, THE COUNCIL HAD CHANGED THE PLAN TO REMOVE IT ON THE WEST SIDE OF LAKELINE.
AND, UM, THEY, SINCE THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO RURAL, THEY DIDN'T SEE A NEED TO HAVE A COLLECTOR.
AND IT ALSO WAS PLANNED THROUGH AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION THAT HAS HOMES FRONTING ON IT.
SO IT PROBABLY WASN'T THE BEST LOCATION FOR A COLLECTOR CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS ON IT.
UM, AND FINALLY HERE'S THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED ZONING.
SO THE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL THAT'S THIS AREA HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS REQUEST DURING THEIR MEETING ON JULY 14TH.
AND THEY DID, UM, UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
UM, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT PRESENTATION THEY'RE JUST AVAILABLE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
UH, I DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP ON THIS ONE.
SO THE FIRST IS MARTIN P N I'M SORRY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS MARTIN COUNTY, P O E N E.
I LIVE AT 3,500 WOOD CREEK TRAIL IN THE ANDREW.
UM, I HAVE SEVERAL SORT OF LOOSELY CONNECTED THINGS.
I WAS INTERESTED IN SEEING THE WATER, UM, UH, BRIEFING.
I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I WAS TOLD BY A BUILDER, I HAD TO PLAN A HALF ACRE OF SOD, WHICH NOW OF COURSE IS DYING AND WE'RE IN A DROUGHT, BUT I TEACH A COURSES ON SUSTAINABILITY AT UT AND WE DISCUSS HOW WATER LEVELS ARE GOING DOWN ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UH, I THINK YOU CAN ACCURATELY PROBABLY PROJECT WHAT THE GROWTH IN DEMAND WILL BE,
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BUT NOT WHAT THE WATER SUPPLY WILL BE.AND YET YOUR GIVING US LARGE RAPID DEVELOPMENT WHERE PROBABLY WE'LL HAVE TO PLANT MORE SIDE AND ALL THE HOMES AND IRRIGATE THOSE, EVEN THOUGH THE SPRINKLERS IN THIS WIND AND HEAT ARE VERY INEFFICIENT IF EVEN THE EFFECTIVE, UM, SECONDLY, THIS REZONING REQUEST IS TO FACILITATE ANOTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT OF HOMES NEXT DOOR TO US.
AND I, MY PERSPECTIVE IS THESE PEOPLE GOT AN EXEMPTION TO HAVE COWS.
THEY HAVE COWS THAT RUNS ALL OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOING DAMAGE IN OUR FLOWER BEDS GRUNTS RIGHT NEXT TO THE WINDOW.
I'VE SEEN IT CHARGING A YOUNG MAN WORKING AT OUR HOUSE, UM, AND LOTS OF DAMAGE, NOT JUST FROM MY HOUSE, BUT FOR PEOPLE I CALL THE CITY, THEY DEFER ME TO THE POLICE.
THE POLICE ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE COMPLAINTS THEY'VE HAD AND THEY'LL CALL ME BACK, BUT NEVER DO.
I I'M CERTAIN THEY HAVE MUCH MORE SERIOUS THINGS TO ATTEMPT TO.
I DON'T FAULT THEM, BUT IS THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO GO? THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.
I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THIS PATTERN.
I, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER, USE THE, UH, SIZE OF LOTS THAT THEY WANT.
MAYBE THEY'LL PUT HALF ACRE, LOTS.
WE FEEL THEY SHOULD PUT ONE ACRE LOTS NEXT TO WHAT RANCH, JUST LIKE THE WEBB RANCH DEVELOPMENT IS.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
GOOD EVENING, MS. SOLOMON, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 22 OR FOUR COURT IN WET RAT SUBDIVISION.
UM, I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT, UM, WELL SHE WAS SAYING AT LIVE OAK DRIVE AND CHANGING THAT WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY OF 62 HOMES LIVE OAK DOES RONNIE.
AND WE'VE GOT, UM, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 15 HOMES THAT WILL BACK UP ONTO LIVE OAK.
WE HAVE NO STREET LIGHTS, EXCUSE ME.
WE ARE A DARK, DARK SKY COMMUNITY.
SO OUR CONCERN IS USING THIS ROAD TO GET INTO, UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, SULLIVAN TRACK SITE.
UM, ANYWAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU APPROVED THE ONE FOR THE LEANDRA STATES TO HAVE THAT CHANGED AS WELL.
UM, IT'S JUST A GREAT CONCERN BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LOTS OF FAMILIES WITH SMALL CHILDREN THAT LIVE ON MY BULK.
ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS, UM, WELL, THIS WOULD BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT ACCESS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THE SUBDIVISION? AND I HOPE IT'S NOT LIVE OAK.
AND THEN WHEN WILL LIVE OUT, WE OPENED TO THE SULLIVAN TRACK.
I'M KIND OF HOPING IT'LL STAY CLOSED BECAUSE WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS AS A SMALL COMMUNITY TO MAINTAIN THIS TYPE OF A ROAD.
UM, I NOTED THAT THERE WILL BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL POSSIBLY BEING PUT INTO THE SUBDIVISION AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH BEST TRANSPORTATION, WELL, LEANDER ISD USING LIGHT BULB AS A THROAT THOROUGHFARE FOR THEIR BUSES.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED IN THE PRESENTATION BEFORE.
SO JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION WHERE WE ARE ON LIGHT BULB AND THAT WE ARE, IT'S A SMALL ROADWAY COME OUT AND VISIT, COME OUT AND SEE ME.
I'LL BE GLAD TO SHOW YOU AROUND.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE SUBMITTED COMMENTS.
THEY JUST WANTED THEIR POSITION READ INTO THE RECORD.
KIMBERLY CLOSER AND CRYSTAL PURDUE ARE BOTH AGAINST THIS ITEM.
DO YOU NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK, SIR, COME ON UP.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
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AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.I LIVE AT 26 21 MONTE RANCH TRAIL IN THE SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S JUST, I GUESS, SOUTH THE SOUTHERN TRACK.
UM, MY INTERSECTION OR MY HOME SITS AT FORD SPRINGS ROAD AND, UM, MONITOR RANCH TRAIL.
AND FROM WHAT I SAW, AT LEAST IN THE DIAGRAMS IS THAT THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO MOVE THAT ROAD TO GO RIGHT ALONG THE BACK FENCE LINE OF MY PROPERTY.
UM, OF COURSE SEES ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES OUT THERE.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO EITHER HAVE STONE OR A WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
AND IF A ROAD COMES RIGHT BEHIND US, I'LL ESSENTIALLY HAVE ROAD IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND A ROAD, UH, BEHIND MY HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT CERTAINLY NOT DESIRABLE.
ONE THAT WHY I CHOSE TO MOVE OUT TO, UH, THE COUNTRY OR AFTER THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, UM, MAIN POINT I WANTED TO MAKE.
THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS WHAT SPRINGS ROAD RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY IS.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PIPE STAN.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO END RIGHT THERE AT THE PROPERTY OF THE SULLIVAN TRACK.
UM, CURRENTLY I WAS TOLD AT LEAST WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, THAT THEY PUT IN A CUL-DE-SAC THERE BECAUSE OF FIRE AND RESCUE REASONS.
SO ESSENTIALLY PART OF MY LOT IS A PIECE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IF YOU WILL.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF A FORD SPRINGS ROAD.
SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THOSE FEW THINGS.
SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE 21, CPA 0 0 9 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL.
I THINK I CAN CLEAR A LOT OF THAT UP.
SO, UM, ONE RICH GIRL, I LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I TRIED TO BUY A LOT OUT THERE AND I ALMOST BOUGHT IN GREATWOOD, BUT I ENDED UP IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I KNOW THAT I KNOW THE AREA WELL EVEN, UM, THE, THE HOUSE I WAS LOOKING AT WAS ON MONTE RANCH TRAIL AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE FROM WHERE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I KNOW THIS AREA VERY WELL.
UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A BIG MISCON MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER WAS TRYING TO DO AND WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO NOW.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE DENSITY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
THIS HAPPENED ALSO WITH THAT, I THINK IT WAS CALLED THE ENDURO STATES, BUT THERE WAS A, IT WAS CALLED CHAPMAN PARKS A LOT BEFORE I EVEN CAME ON COUNCIL.
AND IT WAS A VERY DENSE HIGH DENSITY PROJECT AND IT WOULD HAVE GAINED AND EVERYBODY FROM GREENWOOD'S CAME OUT BECAUSE THEY WENT, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHAT IS ALL THIS DENSITY? THIS IS NUTS.
AND, UH, AND SO THAT IS THE SAME THING THAT WOULD HAVE GONE IN HERE.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO DO IS THEY'RE BASICALLY ASKING THE MIMIC YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE BASICALLY ASKING FOR EVEN BIGGER THAN SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S ON, IN WHAT RANCH THEY'RE ASKING FOR ACRE LOT ONLY THROUGH THERE, NOT THE SMALLER LOTS, BUT A LOT OF DENSITY.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I THINK THEY HEARD FEEDBACK FROM OUR CITY STAFF AND PROBABLY FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I KNOW I TALKED TO AT LEAST ONE PERSON AND WE SAID THAT THAT'S IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, THE RECORDING FROM THAT PLANNING AND ZONE OR FROM, FROM THE CASE WHEN THEY CHAPMAN PARKS TRIED TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND THIS IS NOT A DIRECTION YOU'D WANT TO GO IN.
SO FIRST OFF, THIS IS A MUCH LOWER DENSITY HERE, ABSOLUTELY.
ON THE, ON THE LANDSCAPING PORTION OF, OF ALL THESE THINGS.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY CHANGED OUR LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE AND CHANGED THINGS AS FAR AS LIKE MATERIALS THAT NEED TO BE USED AND TRYING TO CONSERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, THERE WAS ONE THING THERE'S ALSO TALKED ABOUT ABOUT THE ROADS AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT RANCH AND GREAT WOODS ARE BOTH, UM, PART OF THE CITY AND THEY'RE NOT IN, THEY'RE NOT GATED COMMUNITIES.
SO THOSE GET THOSE AREN'T JUST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING.
IT'S BASICALLY THE WHOLE CITY OF LANDER PAYS, MAINTAINS THOSE ROADS FOR YOU, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER STREET, JUST LIKE, UH, BAGHDAD ROAD ON THE WAY UP.
SO THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE THINGS.
UM, THE ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION, SO IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR THIS VERY DENSE PROJECT AND BY DENSITY, I MEAN A LOT OF HOMES AND 1100 PLUS, AND IT WENT DRAMATICALLY DOWN TO MATCH WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN GREAT WOODS IN WYNWOOD RANCH.
AND SO THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE THAT WAS MADE THERE BEFORE IT EVEN GOT TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF REST A REST ASSURED LIKE THIS IS A, THIS IS A MIRROR, A PROJECT OR A SIMILAR TO A MIRROR PROJECT RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT, THE REASONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE MOVED UP THERE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS FAR AS ON, ON THE ROAD THOUGH.
UM, UM, IT WAS WHERE LIVE OAK IS AND THE PROPOSED ROAD IS THAT THE EXACT LOCATION OF WHERE THIS, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY TO REMOVE IT.
JUST TO CLARIFY THERE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT.
SO IT'S ON THE PLAN TODAY TO FOLLOW THAT ALIGNMENT.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT WHERE IT COMES FROM LIBO AND THEN IT CAME DOWN BACK TO LAKELINE, BUT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS TO TAKE THAT OFF THE MASTER PLAN.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A, ANOTHER HOME WOULD BE BEHIND YOU
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AT SOME POINT, BUT NOTHING ELSE.AND I APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF WHOEVER THE SALES PERSON WAS, BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS A PUNCH THROUGH THE WHOLE TIME, EVEN WHEN I WAS CONSIDERING BEING BACK THERE TOO.
SO THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN SAID.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THINGS GET SAID, AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, AND THEY GIVE YOU ANSWERS AND THEY SHOULD ALWAYS DO THEIR HOMEWORK FIRST.
AND THIS IS LIKE, WHOA, THIS IS A GOOD LESSON LEARNED BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GET HARMED BY IT.
UM, AND IN THIS CASE, BUT ALWAYS DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
I MEAN, ROBIN WAS SICK OF ME THE FIRST TIME I EVER MOVED BECAUSE I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING BEHIND ME.
AND I WENT IN THERE PROBABLY FOR THREE, FOUR MONTHS IN A ROW BEFORE I BOUGHT, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.
SO WE HAVE A MUCH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE LIKE AN IDENTICAL PROJECT TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU LIVE NEXT TO, UM, WITH REMOVING ROADS THAT YOU THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO PUT YOU IN A BAD SPOT AND IT'LL BE A LESS TRAFFICKED AREA.
UM, SO I THINK THAT, I HOPE THAT HELPS TO AT LEAST, UM, TO, TO EASE YOUR CONCERNS.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD THERE TOO, WAS ON THE OFFICE PARCEL.
UM, WHEN, UH, IS IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE AND IS IT THE SHAPE THAT IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME KIND OF, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, PRONE, THE WHAT IS IT? THE NATURAL FEATURE.
CAUSE I KNOW WHAT RANCH HAS A LOT OF FLOOD ZONES STUFF THROUGH IT AND EVERYTHING, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S THAT SHAPE.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANTED TO? YEAH, I NORMALLY DON'T SAY THIS AND OF COURSE WITH OUR WATER SITUATION AND THE COMP PLAN AND COUNCIL'S PLAN TO STICK TO THAT, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO COMMEND THE DEVELOPER FOR, UM, FROM THE TIME OF OUR INITIAL MEETING, UH, STICKING TO, UM, WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AND WHAT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORING, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.
THEY DIDN'T GO AND POLL COUNCIL, THEY WORKED WITH STAFF.
AND WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING, I THINK THAT THE EXPECTATION IS FROM THE, UH, UH, CITIZENS.
AND WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING FROM 1100 TO 200 SOMETHING LOTS.
AND SO THERE'S LESS IMPACT ON THE, UM, ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM UNTIL WE CAN GET THE IMPACT FEES AND OBVIOUSLY, AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY PAY SOME DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY GET THEIR PERMITS IN.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ROBIN HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
SO DO WE NEED TO TAKE THIS WHEN WE DO FINALLY GET THERE? DO WE NEED TO TAKE IT AS THREE SEPARATE VOTES? OKAY.
AND ROBIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW THAT IT'S CONFIRMED TO ME IN HERE, BUT THIS IS, THIS WILL BE PHASED AS WELL, CORRECT? YEAH.
THAT'LL BE PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU'LL REVIEW, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO PHASING.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT IT'S NOT ALL AT ONE TIME.
UM, I LOVE THE RECLASSIFICATION TO RURAL.
WHAT I DON'T LOVE IS THE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL ON BAGHDAD.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S AN ASK AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN ANSWER WHY THAT'S AN ASK THE APPLICANTS HERE.
MAYBE THE APPLICANT LIKE TO TELL US WHY THAT'S AN ASK.
UH, ROBIN, DID YOU ALSO WANT TO ADD THE WASTEWATER PIECE SINCE DRAGGING THE WOODEN? THEY NEED TO DRAG ADDITIONAL LINES OUT THERE FOR THAT TO EVEN HAPPEN.
SO W RANCH DOESN'T HAVE WASTEWATER.
I THINK THE CLOSEST WASTEWATER IS HOMESTEAD SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A DISTANCE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOMEHOW SERVE THAT PIECE TO THE NORTH OF WHAT RANCH TO LEAVE IT AS A COMMERCIAL.
UM, YOU CAN DEVELOP COMMERCIAL WITH A SEPTIC.
IT JUST, YOU HAVE LESS AREA TO DEVELOP, BUT IT IS AN OPTION WHEN I ASKED OUR, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR GOODMAN, I ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT TOO, LIKE, IS THIS AN AREA WHERE WE NEED TO BE PRESERVING? THIS WAS NOT AN AREA OF TARGETED, UM, PRESERVATION THAT WAS NEEDED, I GUESS, WOULD BE THE, THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.
UM, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A CITY TOO, AND I'M VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT.
SO, UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION IT'S RELATED, UM, FOR MS. GRIFFIN, AND I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AS THE SPEAKERS WERE TALKING AND PULLING UP THEIR ADDRESSES, AND IT'S EASY TO GET JADED UP HERE BECAUSE FREQUENTLY IT'LL BE OBVIOUS THAT IT'S A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAPS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NO STREET VIEW FOR THIS AREA, BUT LOOKING AT LIVE OAK ROAD AND ALSO AT, UM, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS ONE'S NOT LABELED ON GOOGLE FORD SPRINGS DRIVE.
UM, I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WERE THE SACHS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE HOUSES AROUND THEM, LIKE
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A CUL-DE-SAC WOULD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDER LOOKS LIKE THEY POURED SOME CONCRETE IN A CIRCLE.SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO END BUILDING THIS LITTLE BUMP OUT ON THE PLATTE FOR GREATWOOD.
THEY HAD TO DO A TEMPORARY TURNAROUND EASEMENT ON THE FLATTEN THAT AREA.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD TURN AROUND CAUSE THE ROADS TOO LONG JUST TO STOP.
SO IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE END OF LIVE OAK AS WELL? UM, LIVE OAK, SAME SITUATION.
AND I THINK, UM, WE CAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT SHOT THAT BECOMES LIKE A COLLECTOR TYPE ROAD, BECAUSE IT COULD JUST TURN IN AND NOT BE A, A LONG, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.
AND MAYBE THERE'S, UH, A FUTURE ACTION WE CAN TAKE THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME KIND OF SIGNAGE SO THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT, UH, THIS IS JUST A TURNAROUND.
IT'S NOT A, A CUL-DE-SAC YOUR BOAT'S NOT GOING TO END HERE.
I WAS CURIOUS HOW THAT HAPPENED.
THERE WAS ONE OTHER CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WHERE REGARDING TRAFFIC THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT ON THIS CASE.
UM, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN CARNEROS RANCH WHEN ROSE AND BUSH RANCH WAS COMING UP.
AND IT WAS EITHER THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S BRINGING UP CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
WE TYPICALLY TRY TO WORK WITH THEM NOT TO GO THROUGH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE FIRST PHASE WAS OFF OF BAGHDAD.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LOGICAL PATH ANYWAY.
DID THE PROBLEM WOULD BE IF IT WAS RIGHT BEHIND GREAT WOODS AND THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT AND ACTION.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY ON THE ACTION REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE 21, CPA 0, 0 9.
DID ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE COMP PLAN CASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CIRCUIT MOTION.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO THE ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 21 0 3, 0 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND THE SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
UM, WHERE YOU AGAINST MR. ROSS? I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND.
SO THAT ONE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND THEN I'M SORRY.
SO I CAN SAY, CAN I I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR THE CLASSIFICATION OF LIVE OAK ROAD? IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? MS. CRUTCHER.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[22. Receive a Preliminary overview of the City of Leander Annual Budget for fiscal year 2023.]
MOVING INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22, RECEIVE A PRELIMINARY OVERVIEW OF THE CITY OF LEANDER ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION ON THE CITY.
MANAGER'S PROPOSED
WE HAD A LITTLE BIT, UH, AT THE RETREAT LAST WEEK, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THIS EVENING.
UH, BUT THE, UH, THE, YOUR NEXT MEETING, AUGUST 18TH, WE'LL HAVE A MUCH FULLER PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND HOPEFULLY EARLY MID, NEXT WEEK, WE'LL HAVE THE FULL BOOKS AVAILABLE FOR YOU, BUT CERTAINLY TONIGHT, UM, AFTER THE PRESENTATION OR DURING THE PRESENTATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S AN WANT TO SAY IT'S IMPORTANT ON THE, TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE BUDGET IS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RELEVANT WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO SET, UH, THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM TAX RATE, UH, TO, TO KICK OFF THIS PROCESS FOR THE REST OF THE BUDGET SEASON.
SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, REMEMBER THIS CHART FROM, UH, THE RETREAT LAST WEEK, THE TOTAL BUDGET, ALL FUNDS COMBINED IS OVER $325 MILLION.
THAT IS A 50% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR.
LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS ABOUT $215 MILLION.
UH, BUT THE TWO STARS ON THE, ON THE CHART INDICATE WHERE THAT INCREASE IS COMING FROM.
AND IT'S, UH, ALMOST ENTIRELY DUE TO, UH, INCREASES IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECT SPENDING FOR UTILITY PROJECTS, AS WELL AS SOME, UH, UH, GENERAL FUND PROJECTS, WHICH RELATE TO, UM, ROADS AND PARKS.
UH, THIS CHART REFLECTS THE GROWTH IN THE TAX SPACE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TREND WAS PRETTY, UH, HEALTHY AND STABLE.
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YEAR, NO SURPRISE.IT'S BEEN A REALLY DRAMATIC JUMP.
UH, IT'S OVER 40% IN TAXABLE VALUE IN, IN ONE YEAR, $12.3 BILLION, UH, IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL FUND, WHERE DOES, WHERE DOES THE BUDGET GO? UM, THE, THE, THE LARGEST, UH, FUNCTION AND THE GENERAL FUND IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S POLICE, FIRE, MUNICIPAL COURT.
THAT'S 41% OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, FOLLOWED BY GENERAL, UH, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING, UH, AT THAT DISTRIBUTION, BUT OVER A FIVE-YEAR HISTORY, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, IT CONTINUES TO BE THE LION'S SHARE OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
UH, AND IT HAS BEEN INCREASING OVER THE LAST, UH, FIVE YEARS.
SO, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN IN THE OVERALL BUDGET BY TYPE OF EXPENDITURE, IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT IN OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET, 59% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET GOES TO, UM, PERSONNEL.
NOW THAT INCLUDES WAGES AND BENEFITS INSURANCE, UH, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON, UM, UH, DISTRIBUTION, UH, FOR A GENERAL FUND, UH, WHAT'S NEW IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT'S, UM, UH, OF INTEREST TO A LOT OF, A LOT OF FOLKS.
UH, THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES LISTS THE NUMBER OF NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDED BUDGET, UM, IN THE, IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE POSITION TITLE, HOW THE DEPARTMENT RANKED, UH, THAT, THAT REQUEST AS COMPARED TO ALL THEIR OTHER REQUESTS THAT THEY HAD IN, IN THE BUDGET, UH, THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS FOR THAT CATEGORY THAT THEY REQUESTED, AND THAT THE NUMBER THAT THE CITY MANAGER ACT LIKE ACTUALLY, UH, APPROVED, UH, IN THE, IN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
SO I'VE HIGHLIGHTED A COUPLE OF BOXES WHERE, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT, THE NUMBER THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS ASKING FOR, UM, IS MORE THAN WHAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET WAS ABLE TO FUND, UH, CONTINUING ON, UH, YOU SEE, UH, STREETS AND PLACING FIRE AND, AND, UM, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO OF THE APPROVED POSITION REQUESTS, UM, THE DEPARTMENTS HAD ASKED FOR 35 AND A HALF POSITIONS OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES 29 AND A HALF OF THOSE, UH, POSITIONS.
AND THIS IS IN THE GENERAL GENERAL FUND AND THE GOLF COURSE, UH, FUND, THERE WERE THREE POSITIONS REQUESTED AND, UM, UM, THE, UM, THE BUDGET SUPPORTS THOSE THREE POSITIONS.
THE, UH, IT'S NO SURPRISE TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL, BUT THE GOLF FUND IS, IS DOING VERY, VERY WELL.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE REVENUES, UH, RECEIVED THIS THIS YEAR.
SO THE, THE, UH, THE TREND IS PROJECTED TO CONTINUE, BUT WITH THOSE INCREASED DEMANDS ON PLAY, THERE'S MORE DEMANDS ON THE COURSE, UH, AND CUSTOMER SERVICE TO KEEP, KEEP UP WITH, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF PLIGHT IN THE UTILITY FUND, EIGHT POSITIONS WERE REQUESTED.
TWO OF THOSE ARE, UH, AT THE BCR YOU A PLANT, BUT THE OTHER SIX ARE IN THE, IN THE CITIES, UH, DEPARTMENTS IN VARIOUS AREAS.
UH, THE BUDGET ALSO INCLUDES A LOT OF NON PERSONNEL RELATED, UM, OR NON POSITION, UH, REQUESTS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.
AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, INCLUDES JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE.
AND, UH, THE TOTAL IS $864,000 OF NON PERSONNEL, NON POSITION REQUESTS THAT ARE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
AND THERE'S, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN THE GOLF COURSE, AS WELL AS IN THE UTILITY FUND.
I MIGHT POINT OUT THE LAST ONE ON THIS SLIDE, AND THAT'S, THERE'S A LUMP SUM OF $200,000, UH, TO, UH, PROVIDE, UM, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM KICKSTART FUNDING FOR THE
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CONSERVATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR PROGRAM.SO THOSE FUNDS ARE NOT DETAILED, BUT THEY'RE AVAILABLE, UH, AS OUR NEW COORDINATOR WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND PUBLIC INFORMATION AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN TERMS OF, UH, GETTING PROGRAMS AND OUTREACH, UH, DONE.
SO THAT'S, UH, JUST A LUMP SUM THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE DURING THE YEAR TO, TO WORK ON PROGRAMS IN ADDITION TO THE THERE'S THERE'S PEOPLE, AND THEN THERE'S NON PEOPLE.
AND THEN THERE'S A CAPITAL OUTLAY ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES.
THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES, WE'RE GENERALLY TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE FUNDED OUT OF SURPLUS FUNDS FROM THE PRIOR YEAR.
SO, UH, THIS YEAR, UM, TOTAL AMOUNT AND THE GENERAL FUND IS $2.3 MILLION OF VARIOUS OOPS, VARIOUS THINGS, INCLUDING, UH, EQUIPMENT, UH, MAJOR REPAIRS, UH, UPGRADES TO, UH, OUR PARKS PLAYGROUNDS.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF THIS, THIS SLIDE.
THE ONE THING THAT I DID NOT PUT ON THIS SLIDE THAT, UH, THAT SHOULD ALSO BE HERE ON THEIR ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES IS WE ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, IN TWO OF THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT MR. GRIMMS ROAD GRIMSBY AND HIS TEAM HAVE HAVE RECOMMENDED, UM, ONE IS $700,000 FOR THE FIRE TRAINING FIELD, WHERE THEY HAVE THE CONTROLLED BURN WHERE THAT WOULD BE, UH, UPGRADED TO TWO, IS IT PROPANE, PROPANE INSTEAD OF, UH, MOTHER NATURE TYPE, UM, GRASS AND HAY AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT, UH, AND THEN A MILLION DOLLARS FOR, UM, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING TO, UM, UH, FINISH SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY PHASE THREE, UH, THAT OVER THE YEARS, THAT PROJECT HAS GROWN IN COST, UH, AND INCLUDING, UH, RIGHT AWAY AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION BOND FUNDS, UH, ARE, ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO FUND AT ALL.
SO IT'S, IT'S NEEDING SOME OF THIS ONE-TIME FUNDING TO CLOSE THAT GAP.
SO $1 MILLION OF SURPLUS FROM LAST YEAR IN THE GENERAL FUND IS AVAILABLE TO PUT TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.
THE OTHER ITEM, THAT'S NOT ON THIS ONE-TIME LIST, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT IS VALIDATED $150,000 FOR, UM, FURTHERING THE CITY HALL COMPLEX, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY AND, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE RELATED TO THAT, UM, PROGRAMMING AND SITE SELECTION AND NEEDS ANALYSIS, UH, FOR MOVING THAT, THAT BALL FORWARD.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO STOP HERE.
THE, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE SLIDES WE'LL DEAL WITH THE NEXT ITEM ON, ON TERMS OF THE, UH, SETTING THE TAX RATE, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT IS, OR IS NOT, UH, IN THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE ITEMS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ARE NOT ON THE SLIDES.
YOU SAID BOTH, IS THAT THAT'S WEIRD.
UM, ARE BOTH OF THOSE FUNDED FROM THE, FROM THE SURPLUS, FROM THE GENERAL FUND, DID YOU SAY YES.
SO WILL IT NOT GO ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S SURPLUS NOW? IT WAS JUST AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PARTS.
I DIDN'T DIDN'T MAKE THE SLIDES, SO IT'LL BE IN THE NEXT ONES.
BUT IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR, YEAH, IT IS ACCOUNTED FOR, UM, UH, YES, THANK YOU.
WHEN YOU SHOW YOU'RE HUMAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
SO PARK IMPROVEMENTS, PUMP REPLACEMENT, IS THAT THE SPLASH PAD, I KIND OF ALWAYS SEE THAT SOMETHING'S BROKEN AT BLEDSOE PARK AROUND SUMMERTIME.
IS THIS TO REPLACE THAT, OR THIS IS ACTUALLY THE POOL, OR IF IT'S THE SPLASH PAD.
UM, BUT THAT NO, BUT, UM, UH, THE MAJOR POOL AND IT'S JUST OLD AND JUST NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IMPACTS THE SPLASH PAD.
WELL, WE'LL KNOW THAT GETS YOU TO THAT
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ANSWER PAGE.DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, I FORGOT A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU HERE WHERE YOU CITY MANAGER, BUT LOOKING AT THE FTES, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RANKS FOR OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS WHEN WE GET TO A POLICE AND THEIR REQUESTS FOR PATROL OFFICERS, AND WHEN THEY'RE ONLY RECOMMENDED 37 AND A HALF PERCENT, WHAT THEY REQUESTED, AND THEN 40% OF WHAT THEIR REQUESTS, WHAT DETECTIVES, AND THAT RANK IS ONE AND TWO.
AND HE LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, THEIR RANK IS 10 AND 16 FOR NEW EMPLOYEES.
HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THESE FIGURES? AND SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF FACTORS IN THE CASE OF, UM, PARTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, WE, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS OF, FOR RETENTION.
THAT'S ALSO AN AREA FOR COVERAGE BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS, UM, ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR NORMAL MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS ALREADY STRETCHED PRETTY FAR RIGHT NOW, JUST WITH THE ADDITION OF, UH, LAKEWOOD PARK.
SO THEY WERE ALREADY A SMALLER CREW TO START WITH RELATIVELY SPEAKING.
I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT IT LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ADD A FEW PEOPLE HERE AND THERE.
SO THERE THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE ON, IN TERMS OF PATROL AND FIRE.
AND I KNOW BILLY, I THINK WOULD, IF WE GAVE HIM ANOTHER TOW TRUCK, YOU'D ADD ANOTHER, A DOZEN FTES ALSO, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON BOTH STEP PLANS.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO WRAPPING THAT UP, UM, IN TERMS OF THE LARGER, UH, BIG PICTURE IN TERMS OF PAY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE DO THINK IF WE HAD A, LET'S SAY WE, WE TRIED TO ASK AT EIGHT, THEN WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY TAKE A LOT OF OTHER FTES OFF THE TABLE AND OTHER AREAS.
NOW THIS IS NOT, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT LAST YEAR, HOW MANY, UH, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK HISTORICALLY, BUT I THINK WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD ADDITION OF STAFF OVERALL LAST YEAR.
IT, IT THINK THE CHART REFLECTED IT.
THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FLAT YEAR BY COMPARISON, OVERALL WITH THE GOAL, TRYING TO ADDRESS THE DISPARITY IN PAY WITH OUR PEERS, WHICH WE DO THINK IN THE CASE OF AN CASE OF PDS, UM, I THINK HE'S DOWN SEVEN EXISTING POSITIONS NOT FILLED.
SO WE THINK WE NEED TO FILL THOSE HOPEFULLY WITH THE STEP PLANS.
THE ONLY THING I'LL GIVE AWAY IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THREE OF OUR PEER AGENCIES FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE IN THIS AREA THAT WE ON PAPER WOULD COMPETE WITH.
THEY DO HAVE MUCH LARGER BUDGETS, AND WE WOULD BE TRYING TO REALLY HIT THE METAL, ONE OF THOSE OTHER THREE.
SO, AND GREG, DID YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF GREG WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE VERSUS PAY VERSUS OTHER AREAS, UM, WHERE I THINK ALL, ALL OF THE STAFF HAS TRIED TO WORK THROUGH THIS WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS.
WE'RE PRETTY LEAN OVERALL ON ALL THE REQUESTS, ADMITTEDLY, BECAUSE OF THE PAY PLAN.
WE'LL JUST FOR REFERENCE, UH, EVERY YEAR KIND OF STANDS ON ITS OWN, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, THE GENERAL FUND ADDED 39 POSITIONS, 11 OF THOSE WERE IN PLACE AND SEVEN WERE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, IT'S ABOUT 50% LAST YEAR.
IT WAS JUST, UH, THIS YEAR IT'S LESSER PERCENTAGE.
AND I GUESS MY GREATEST CONCERN IS WHEN WE LOOK AT EVEN TRANSIT STATION NATIONWIDE WITH THE LACK OF POLICE AND BEING SO HARD TO RECRUIT, EVEN TO GET PEOPLE, TO COME INTO THE PROFESSION AND UNDERSTANDING WE, SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T EVEN INVESTIGATE MISDEMEANOR CRIMES BECAUSE OF LACK OF STAFFING.
SO WHEN WE SEE THOSE GO ON PROSECUTED ON INVESTIGATED, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE CRIME KEEP GOING UP.
SO I'D ACTUALLY LOVE TO SEE MORE EMPHASIS PUT ON THESE POSITIONS.
WE CAN TRY TO KEEP, UM, REASONABLE LEVEL HERE.
YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD, WHERE DOES ODDEST TIME RIGHT NOW AND JUST HIRING IN ANY, ANY POSITION.
SO DEFINITELY, YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF DIFFICULT, EVEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UH, UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S A WORKERS MARKET.
I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS CAN PRETTY MUCH WALK IN AND WALK OUT OF PLACES.
CAUSE THE NEXT PLACE WE'LL HIRE THEM EVEN MORE AND MORE AND MORE, YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON WOOD.
WE HAVEN'T LOST ANYBODY JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, THOSE PARTICULAR REASONS.
BUT IT'S HARD TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.
CAUSE I THINK I SENT ONE OF THE FYIS WITH DISPATCH.
WE HAD 29 APPLICANTS THAT CAME PUT IN, IN THE END, WE GOT ZERO OUT OF THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST WASHED OUT SOMEHOW THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM.
AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY IN AN OFFICE LIKE THAT OR HIRE JUST ANY OFFICER BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S HERE FOR THE RIGHT REASONS AND NOT A PROBLEM THAT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE.AND ONE OF THEM'S, IT'S THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THIS, SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT AREN'T IN CAP METRO AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE CITY MANAGERS, ONE IS THE PAY PLAN SYSTEM.
CAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP BOTH POLICE AND FIRE RECRUIT BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T RECRUIT PEOPLE, IF WE'VE, AND WE'RE IN, IF WE HAVE PEOPLE LEAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO TRY TO HIRE THEM BACK WITH, WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO I MEAN, AFTER 26 YEARS HERE, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT.
I KNOW THERE'S A BALANCING SCALE OF HOW THINGS WORK.
I KNOW WHAT'S REALISTIC AND WHAT'S REALISTIC IN THAT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN, WHEN WE BASE OUR, OUR STAFF NUMBERS, WE BASE IT OFF OF WORKLOAD ANALYSIS OF WHAT I CALL A 60% DISCRETIONARY, WHICH MEANS OUR OFFICERS HAVE ABOUT 60% OF THEIR DAY.
THEY CAN SPEND DOING OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN JUST BEING STUCK AT A CALL OR BEING IN AN ACCIDENT OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IN THAT 60% DISCRETIONARY TIME IS WHERE YOU GET WHERE OFFICERS CAN SELECT AREAS TO BE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S STUFF LIKE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT THIS THINGS WHERE THEY'RE NOT TIED DOWN TO SPECIFIC THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I'VE, I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME YEARS LIKE LAST YEAR IT WAS REAL.
IT WAS A GOOD, UH, YEAR FOR US.
WE HIRED HAD, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY FTES WE GOT.
CAUSE I THINK ROBERT SAID IT WAS 11 TOTAL OR WAS THAT, HOW WAS THAT ALL SWORN? IT WAS DISPATCH DISPATCH.
AND I THINK JUST MY THOUGHT, JUST TO TELL YOU IS IF WE COULD, IF THE STEP PLAN, IF WE COULD FILL THOSE SEVEN PLUS ANOTHER THREE AND BE UP 10 FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, THE OTHER APPROACH WE COULD ALWAYS TAKE TOO IS, AND THE HIRING TIMELINE, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING AS A MIDYEAR, I MEAN, THESE ARE ALMOST MID YEARS ANYWAY, WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT WITH YOUR TIMELINE.
SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT, UH, WE DID HAVE THE COMMENTS AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER SCENARIOS TO BRING BACK TO Y'ALL AND WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL BACK TO DO THAT, TO DEAL WITH A FULL LIGHT.
WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO BRING THAT BACK? THAT'S AT YOUR, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 18TH? YEP.
AND AGAIN, I MEAN IT'S PRIORITY ONE OR TWO.
IT'S NOT LIKE, AND THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR PEOPLE IT'S NOT LIKE ASKING FOR ALL KINDS OF BELLS AND WHISTLES EQUIPMENT WISE.
SO, UM, IT JUST STOOD OUT TO ME.
I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THAT.
SO JUST IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS.
SO WHAT, WHAT, UH, CITY MANAGER JUST SAID, AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY SHORT SEVEN, UM, PATROL OFFICERS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STEP WHEN YOU SAY THE STEP PLAN, IS THAT HIGHER PAY? YES.
SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO FILL THOSE SEVEN, UH, WITH HIGHER PAY, THEN THAT IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING RIGHT NOW.
SO DOES THAT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS NUMBER IS NOT IMPORTANT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THIS IS YES.
UM, BUT FILLING THOSE SEVEN, DOES THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? AND MAYBE THAT DOESN'T LOOK SO BAD TO US.
IS THAT THE SEVEN THAT WERE SHORT? YES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD YEARS WHERE WE'RE BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT STAFFING AND THAT'S GREAT.
AND WE'RE FEELING THE EFFECTS OF SEVEN SHORT BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE HAVE FIVE OFFICERS ON A SHIFT, WE WANT TO HAVE SIX OR MORE.
SO IF IT FALLS BELOW THAT WE HAVE TO CALL OTHER PEOPLE IN AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT WILL DEFINITELY HELP US RECRUIT AS WELL BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LOSE PEOPLE TO SMALL TOWNS, OTHER LIBERTY HILL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE IT'S THE CHALLENGING PART IS WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, CEDAR PARK, WHICH IS GROWING AS QUICKLY.
SO AS ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN PFLUGERVILLE, SO ALL THE CHIEFS JUST KIND OF CALL EACH OTHER AND BE LIKE, HEY, I'VE GOT A PROCESS GOING, DON'T HIRE WHO I'VE GOT, LET ME GO THROUGH THIS FIRST.
BUT IT JUST HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOMETIMES WE CAN GET PEOPLE FASTER, BUT I THINK I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IF WE CAN GET THE PAY AT A COMPATIBLE LEVEL OR, UM, COMPATIBLE LEVELS, COMPARABLE LEVEL, WHICH IS COMPETITIVE WITH OTHERS, THAT THE RECRUITING PART IS GOING TO BE SO REALLY IS AS, AS FAR AS YOUR ONE AND TWO, UM, REQUEST WOULD BE MORE PAY THAN MORE PEOPLE, NOT MORE PEOPLE THAN MORE PAY, I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I HATE TO, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS GUY, I HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THERE WAS AN IMPROMPTU SURVEY DONE WITH OUR ASSOCIATION AND CARLOS, I'M GOING TO CALL YOU ON IT IF I'M WRONG.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT EVEN STAFF, HE'S NOT REALLY HERE, HE MAY HAVE SAID HE HAD ALSO SAID THE SAME THING THAT THEY'D RATHER HAVE, I GUESS, PAY OVER PEOPLE PER SE.
I MEAN, WE ALL WANT PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT HELPS WITH THE WORKLOAD, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE NOW.
I KNOW POLICE, FIRE STAFF ALL ACROSS CITY, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUTTING A LOT OF DOUBLE DUTIES AND WORK AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT RETENTION PIECE BECAUSE RETENTION IS THE NEXT PART.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HELEN RETIRED, NOT FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH PAY JUST BECAUSE OF LIFE.
I WAS 23 YEARS OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
AND, AND, UH, I'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY DEPARTMENT NOW THAT ARE OVER 20 YEARS THAT COULD LEAVE.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO JUST LEAVE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD JUST HELP.
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THEN IT WOULD HELP WITH THE OTHER PIECE OF JUST RECRUITING PEOPLE AND GETTING THEM IN QUICKER AND FASTER THROUGH THE ACADEMY OR JUST FROM, UH, TRANSFERRING FROM OTHER AGENCIES.AND REGARDING THAT STEPPED PAY IS THAT IN THE BUDGET, WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THE INCREASE IN PAY.
I'M GOING TO LET ROBERT ADDRESS IT.
AND WE'VE GOT A TO TWO-STEP APPROACH TO ALL OF THE INCREASES, BUT I'M GOING TO LET ROBERT SPEAK TO THAT.
WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO THE NUMBERS.
SO IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER, WHICH IS BUDGET $2.1 MILLION FOR, UM, UH, COMPENSATION ADJUSTMENTS, WHETHER IT BE INDIVIDUAL TITLES ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE OR IMPLEMENTING THIS STEP PLANS IN, UH, POLICE AND THE FIRE, UH, SWORN SIDE THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, AND ACROSS A PROPOSED ACROSS THE BOARD COLA 4% FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
WHAT PAGES THAT ON IT IS NOT ON MY SLIDES.
SO I WANT TO JUMP IN FOR A MINUTE.
UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS, BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT THE STEP PAY HAS NOT COME TO US CONCURRENT WITH THE BUDGET, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY GO HAND IN HAND, UM, LOOKING AT THE HIRING LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER MCDONALD HAD TALKED ABOUT.
UM, LAST YEAR WE DID ADD A LOT OF POLICE POSITIONS, BUT A LOT OF THOSE WERE NOT PATROL LEGIT.
WHAT I SEE BEING ASKED FOR HERE LAST YEAR, WE ADDED FIVE TO PATROL.
ONE OF THOSE WAS JUST FOR THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ENFORCEMENT UNIT.
SO REALLY WE ADDED FOUR REGULAR PATROL THE YEAR PRIOR TO THAT WE ADDED FOR THE YEAR PRIOR TO THAT, WE ADDED FOR MOVING INTO CID THIS YEAR.
WE'RE ONLY HIRING TWO OF THE FIVE THAT ARE ASKED FOR.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT INVESTIGATING BE LOWER-LEVEL CRIMES, RIGHT? WE LIKE TO INVESTIGATE THE LOWER LEVEL CRIMES.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE CITIES.
I THINK I'M LOOKING AT LAST YEAR, WE ADDED ONE IN THE YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, WE ADDED NONE FOR THREE YEARS.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT A CRAZY ASK TO BE PUTTING MORE POLICE ON THE STREET.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER REQUESTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE RANKING HIGHER, LIKE I JUST HAVE SOME HEARTBURN ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE WERE A FEW THAT I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD IN PLACE.
SO ENGINEERING CIP, PROJECT MANAGER, DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE ONE TH THIS IS NO, THIS, THIS IS A, THAT'S A, A SECOND ONE.
WE ONLY HAVE, WE'VE GOT THE CIP MANAGER AND THEN YOU HAVE PROJECT MANAGERS.
THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS THIS, IT WILL BE, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S GOING TO BE GUNS OR BUTTER ON THIS.
AND YOU CAN, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE, WELL, DAN ALWAYS SAYS, YOU CAN HAVE IT CHEAP OR YOU CAN HAVE IT FAST.
AND YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GET ALL THREE.
IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN ADD MORE FTES AND THOSE SHOPS, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADD FTES AND THE OTHER SHOPS AND DO THE PAY PLAN, THE TWO STEP PLANS, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE ADDING THOSE AND YOU'RE ADDING THOSE TWO, THOSE STEP PLANS AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT, THAT IS DEFINITELY Y'ALL'S, UH, PREROGATIVE ON MOVING FORWARD THAT WAY.
BUT WHEN WE BIT ADMITTEDLY, WHEN WE WOULD GET SERVICE CALLS FOR OTHER ITEMS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE A GRAFFITI ABATEMENT MIGHT BE DEALING WITH A SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, MIGHT BE MOWING A DITCH.
WE MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN THOSE THINGS EITHER.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, UH, GREG MENTIONED IT'S A BALANCE.
UM, THE ONE THING, AND I KNOW CARLOS IS HERE AND WE'VE MET WITH THE ASSOCIATION HAT AND ALSO WITH, UM, ON THE FIRESIDE IS THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT BOTH NOT THE, NOT JUST THE ASSOCIATIONS, BUT JUST THE RANK AND FILE OR ARE INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE STEP PLANS.
UH, DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THE TABLE.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SCENARIO IS YOU DON'T DO THE STEP PLANS AND YOU JUST DO A 4% AND YOU JUST KEEP ADDING.
SO, AND THAT'S WHERE MY FRUSTRATION COMES IN, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US SO THAT WE CAN WEIGH IT.
IT NEEDS, THIS IS NOT A CAKE THAT CAN BE BAKED IN 30 MINUTES, WE'RE INSERTING OUR EXISTING.
SO, SO YOU HAVE YEARS OF SERVICE AND RANK AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE ALMOST COMPLETE.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY MET ON THIS, JUST, THAT WAS YESTERDAY.
UM, WE'VE INSERTED OUR ACTUAL PERSONNEL, NOT JUST SO WHERE FOLKS ACTUALLY WOULD FALL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PIECE TO IT.
WE'RE ALSO THE NEXT STEP WITH HR IS THE CIVILIAN PIECE, WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE WRAPPED UP EARLY TO MID NEXT WEEK.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE SHOW IT TO YOU, BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT WE DID, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHICH ONE, BUT ONE OF THOSE OTHER THREE PEER CITIES THAT HAS A LOT MORE REVENUE THAN
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WE HAVE, WE'RE TRYING TO MIRROR THEIR FYI 22 WITH OUR PEOPLE INSERTED INTO IT.AND IN SOME CASES, SOME FOLKS WOULD GET SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES.
THE FLIP SIDE IS YOU TAKE THE SAME APPROACH OF HISTORY, JUST APPLY YOUR COLA OR YOUR MERIT, AND KEEP ADDING FTES AND NOT ADDRESS THE STEP PLANS.
THE OTHER SCENARIO IS WE PEEL BACK THE FTES ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE AND YOU'RE KEEP IN MIND, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR A CHILDREN'S LIBRARIAN OR DEPUTY COURT CLERK, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY, YOU'VE GOT OTHER THINGS THAT COME WITH THE COST OF THOSE, UH, EACH OFFICER, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE TOTAL END BY THE TIME YOU HAD THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE ROBERT PER, BUT THE DEPARTMENT'S PREFERENCE WOULD, WOULD BE ONE, ONE VEHICLE, ONE OFFICER, UH, PARTLY BECAUSE THEIR EXISTING FLEET IS, UH, STRETCHED IN WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, MULTIPLE OFFICERS WITH ASSIGNED TO ONE VEHICLE.
UM, SO JUST ON AVERAGE, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ONE POLICE OFFICER WITH A VEHICLE IT'S ROUGHLY $150,000.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO JUST GENERALLY, IF WE TOOK THE DESKTOP SUPPORT TECHNICIAN AND CHILDREN'S LIBRARIAN OFF, YOU'VE GOT ONE OFFICER, IF YOU TAKE THE DEPUTY COURT CLERK AND THE JANITORIAL SULLY'S MAINTENANCE WORKERS, THE TWO, YOU'LL GET ANOTHER, A LITTLE BIT MORE, I MEAN, AND, AND KIND OF THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND WHAT SOME OF THESE POSITIONS ARE FOR.
LIKE, WHY WERE THEY RECOMMENDED AND THEN LIKE BY THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THEN RECOMMENDED BY YOU AS WELL.
SO, UM, LIKE CIP, PROJECT MANAGER, WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT? WHY IS THAT A NEED OF A HUNDRED, $12,000? AND LOOKING AT, UH, UTILITIES, UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT AND WASTEWATER CHIEF PLANT OPERATOR, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, 135 AND 147,000 EACH.
SO WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THOSE VERSUS ANOTHER PATROL OFFICER? AND IT COULD BE THAT THERE'S A VERY GOOD JUSTIFICATION, BUT WHEN WE ONLY HAVE A LIST, WE DON'T KNOW WHY THESE ARE ASKED WHAT THE NEED IS EXACTLY, BECAUSE I, I APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR A CHILDREN'S LIBRARIAN, BUT IT DOESN'T RANK AS HIGH AS ANY OF THE OTHERS THAT I JUST SAID, I WILL, I WILL POINT THAT WE, WE DON'T CROSS FUND.
SO THE UTILITY FUND STAYS WITHIN ITS OWN REVENUE, REVENUE SUPPORTED BY, BY RATES AND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE, THE STEP PLANS AND THE, UH, COMPENSATION STUDY.
UM, THE 2.1 MILLION IS FOR THE, THE ENTIRE GENERAL FUND, UM, THE POLICE AND FIRE THAT THE STEP PLANS THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE, UM, UH, AT LEAST HALF OF THAT.
SO, UH, THAT HELPS PUT REFERENCE TO, UH, SOME OF THAT.
SO A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION IN, UM, SALARY COSTS, WAGES, NOT ALL THE EXTRA, THE FRINGE BENEFITS, BUT, UH, WAGES, UH, UH, PRELIMINARY PLANS WOULD BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL MILLION PLUS FOR POLICE AND FIRE, WHICH IS HALF OF THE WHAT'S ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET.
WELL, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST LOGICALLY IF, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOWN SERVER SEVEN POSITIONS, AND HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FILL THEM PREDOMINANTLY FROM A MONEY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I, BECAUSE YOU ARE COMPETING WITH OTHER CITIES, I GUESS TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE TO GET THE SALARY STUFF STRAIGHT FIRST, UM, SO THAT WE CAN RECRUIT AND FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
WE CAN, WE CAN BRING BACK, YOU KNOW, LIKE A THREE SCENARIO THING, IF YOU DID ALL OF THEM WHERE THE OTHERS WOULD FALL, IF YOU DID A MID RANGE AND IT, OR IF YOU TOOK THIS RECOMMENDATION.
UM, BUT YEAH, PROPORTIONATELY, UH, ROBERT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PD ONE THAT SHOWS THE, SO IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE MATH, UM, TAKE THAT FIVE 20, YOU KNOW, DIVIDE THAT BY THREE AND THERE'S YOUR, YOUR, UH, PER, AND THEN MULTIPLY THAT BACK OUT BY EIGHT.
I THINK IT WAS 2 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR US TO DO, UH, BUT THEN WE'LL PLUG AND PLAY WITH MAYBE SHOW ME LIKE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS.
SO SEEING THE STEP PLAN IN COMPARISON WITH THE POSITIONS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
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OKAY.IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE BIGGEST PRIORITY FROM EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE JUST, IF I'M SITTING BACK WATCHING EVERYBODY, THAT'S ONE CONSTANT IS TAKING CARE OF, UH, OUR CURRENT, UM, MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE SERVING IN ALL THOSE AREAS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF AND ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT ON, UM, IS COMING TO A BETTER SITUATION THAT THEY'RE IN BEFORE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE LOUD AND CLEAR, UM, 100, HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S AN, AND I'M HEARING, BUT CITY MANAGER'S ALSO SAYING TOO, IT WAS, I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO, TO, TO HAVE IT ALL RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT THEM STILL TALKING ABOUT.
IF WE'RE THERE, MY BIGGEST CLARIFICATION OR THAT MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT MONEY, OUR ESTIMATE IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN HERE.
SO THEY'RE THERE WITH THESE NUMBERS, THEY'RE PLANNING ON TAKING CARE OF OUR OFFICERS, UM, AND, AND ANYBODY THROUGH THESE STEP PLANS.
AND WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE LIKE IT'S, IT'D BE REALLY DIFFICULT.
I WISH THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, I THINK, WITHOUT GOING AT SOMEBODY, BUT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, ON THE DIRECTOR LEVEL OF WHY THIS, WHY THIS, HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS, OR WHO'S GOING TO FILL THAT SPOT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND I THINK YOU CAN TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY EVEN ON A, UM, A CALL OR BRIEFING CALL OR ANYTHING ELSE ON A SEPARATE CALL, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE BECAUSE EVERYBODY COULD BE THERE TOGETHER, UM, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT, UM, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO, IF THERE IS, IF WE TAKE ACTION ON A, ON A TACK OR ON A MAXIMUM TAX RATE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT CAUSING ANY ISSUES, UM, IF THERE IS A SURPLUS, WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THAT MONEY TOO, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT THING.
AND I THINK, UM, SO HEARING BACK FROM SYDNEY MANAGER ABOUT IF YOU DID THIS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS BY NEXT MEETING, UM, ON ONE, OR LIKE YOU SAY, LIKE UP TO THREE SCENARIOS.
AND KNOWING THAT OUR BIGGEST PRIORITY IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS IS TAKING CARE OF EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN RETAIN WHO WE HAVE WELL, AND THEN ALSO RECORD PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT CULTURE.
UM, AND THEN SEEING WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO AND THEN GIVING US THE OPTION OF, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF COUNCIL IS GOING TO DECIDE.
SO WHICHEVER THOSE THREE SCENARIOS ARE, WHICHEVER ONE LOOKS THE BEST.
BUT, UM, I, IF WE DO, IF LET'S JUST SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FIRST, I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO PUT THAT.
AND, AND, AND JUST THE GENERAL THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THIS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS GOES BACK TO, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, YES, WE'VE HAD THE BIGGEST END OF YOUR BUDGET BALANCES AND WE'VE RUN A PRETTY LEAN SHOP.
WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE BEEN CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR ESTIMATES.
THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WORKLOAD ACROSS ALL AREAS AND FTES, AND THEN COMPENSATION BECAUSE OF COVID BECAUSE HOW WE'RE BUILT AND THE DEVELOPMENT CYCLE THAT WE'RE IN.
WE HAVE ADDED FTES WHERE WE COULD ESPECIALLY MENTIONING GOING FROM ZERO TO EIGHT.
ADDING FOUR AND FOUR, BUT THEN WE HAVE THAT OTHER LARGER PROBLEM, THE INFLATIONARY EFFECT THAT REALLY HIT IN 21, AND WE'RE FEELING IT ACROSS A FEW AREAS.
AND BY THE WAY, FIRE SHOUT OUT TO BILLY FOR A SECOND IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE PAY STUDY, FIRE ON PAPER IS LESS COMPENSATED COMPARED TO THEIR PEERS.
THERE'S A BIGGER DISPARITY THERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERY PIECE, UH, TO HAVE A QUALITY CITY ACROSS THE BOARD, A SAFE CITY TO DO THAT.
I DON'T IT'S, I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAKING SURE IT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S EVER BEEN DONE HERE.
THERE WAS A, A PAY PLAN, BUT A STEP PLAN IS TAKING A WHOLE OTHER LEAP THAT USUALLY YOU WOULD TAKE AFTER YOU HAVE CIVIL SERVICE OR MEET AND CONFER IN PLACE.
AND WE'RE DOING THAT BEFORE THAT IS, IS ON THE TABLE.
AND I DO THINK THAT THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW IS WITH OUR PEERS.
IF WE CONTINUE THIS WAY ACROSS THE BOARD, YES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS. AND THEN WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, 10 DOWN, IF WE'RE 10 DOWN WHERE WE'RE ARE JUST IN PD, YOU'D OPERATIONALLY BE WHAT YOU'D BE ON PATROL RIGHT NOW.
YOU WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE OR HE'D BE RUNNING CALLS.
AND I'VE BEEN IN A PLACE WHERE ONCE IN A WHILE, THE CHIEF HAS TO GO RUN CALLS AS WELL.
SO THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THREE OPTIONS.
WE STILL ARE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, UM, APPROACH.
BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR, OUR PEERS, WE'RE UP AGAINST THAT, DO YOU HAVE CIVIL SERVICE THAT DO YOU HAVE STEP LANDS OR MEET AND CONFER? ONE HAS TWICE AS MUCH ON THAT ONE PENNY OF SALES TAX.
THE OTHER ONE HAS TWO AND A HALF TIMES, AND THE OTHER ONE HAS FOUR TIMES.
AND WITHOUT GIVING IT AWAY, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE MOST.
WE CAN DO SQUEEZING THE TURNIP TO GET, TO GET THE FOLKS TO REVERSE RESPONDERS, WHAT THEY NEED, AND STILL BE ABLE TO FUNCTION ON THE, ON THE STREET SIDE, THE PARKS
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SIDE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, AND FILL THOSE GAPS.SOME IS A 46% OF OUR TOTAL WORKFORCE IS BELOW MARKET.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE A CONSIDERATION AND COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT TONIGHT.
UM, AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE SAME, JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN WHITE, UM, NOT QUITE THE SAME SCENARIO, BUT UNDER MAINTENANCE TWO AND MAINTENANCE ONE, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THESE DETAILED QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
I MEAN, GRANTED, THE DEPARTMENT RANK WAS 10 AND 16.
THEY REQUESTED THREE AND FOUR AND THEN A ONE AND ONE WAS APPROVED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MAINTENANCE ONE AND MAINTENANCE TWO DOES.
UM, AND THIS IS UNDER THE NEW CATEGORY.
SO IF WE COULD JUST GET A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ON WHAT, WHAT THAT IS AND THE THOUGHT PROSPER PROCESS BY, AND THEN AS WELL, UH, LET'S MAINTENANCE ONE AND MAINTENANCE TO JUST, UM, UH, TO REMEMBER A LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, UM, THEY ESSENTIALLY DO THE SAME WORK, BUT, UH, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, IN MY OPINION OF WHERE, UH, HOW THE BUDGET PROCESS WORKS ANYWHERE.
I'VE BEEN, EACH DEPARTMENT WORKS ON THEIR OWN REQUESTS.
THEY WORK IN, IN, UH, THEY'RE SOLELY FOCUSED ON THEMSELVES AND THEY PUSH IT FORWARD.
AND THEN WE STARTED HAVING, UH, MEETINGS WHERE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHERS' NEEDS ARE AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE, UM, GETS TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE.
AND THEN YOU START MIXING AND MATCHING AND, AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHERE THE COUNCIL, UM, IS, OR HAS BEEN IN TERMS OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING WITH PARKS, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THIS WAS LOW IS THEIR THINKING.
UM, AND I HATE TO SPEAK FOR MARK, BUT HE'S NOT HERE.
THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THINKING IN A YEAR AND ANOTHER YEAR, UH, SAN GABRIEL PARK IS GOING TO BE OPEN AND WE'LL GET ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED.
AND YOU'RE JUST SPEED THAT SIMPLE, THAT AS SOON AS THE PARK OPENS, THEN WE'LL GET THE POSITIONS.
I'M PARAPHRASING A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO IN ONE YEAR, ASK FOR SIX OR EIGHT ADDITIONAL PARK STAFF.
THERE WILL BE NEEDS NEXT YEAR.
THERE'LL BE NEEDS, UH, THE FOLLOWING YEAR, BUT THEY ALSO ARE ALREADY STRETCHED WITH THE PARK THAT JUST OPENED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, LAKEWOOD PARK.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AGE HAS SOME BENEFITS AND I ENCOURAGE SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO SAY, DON'T BE TOO OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE STAFF YOU HAVE, BECAUSE DURING THE YEAR WE DO SEE THOSE COMPLAINTS, UH, UH, ABOUT SERVICE LEVELS AND, YOU KNOW, LAKEWOOD PARK NEEDS ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
AND, UH, THAT'S KINDA HOW THIS RANK IS NOT THE RANK THAT THEY RANKED AT THE END OF THE PROCESS.
IT'S WHERE THEY RANKED IT BACK IN APRIL.
WE DON'T GO AND REARRANGE THINGS.
SO, UM, DOES THAT ANSWER IT, IT DOES KIND OF, I THINK I JUST WANT TO TRANSLATION OF, OKAY, IF WE, IF WE ONLY HIRE ONE AND WE NEED THREE, WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO AS FAR AS THE CITY'S NEEDS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE TRASH ON THE STREET WHERE WE SHOULDN'T, OR I'M JUST THROWING TRASH ON THE STREET BY OUT.
I HOPE WE CAN DO THAT, THAT PRECISE OTHER THAN, UM, IF YOU NEVER STOPPED, IF YOU NEVER STARTED JOURNEY, YOU NEVER GET THERE.
SO MOST OF THESE REQUESTS ARE SMALL STEPS.
SO THIS REALLY ISN'T A TO FILL AN IMMEDIATE NEED.
WELL, I, I THINK THAT THE NEED IS CURRENTLY EXISTS FOR THE EXISTING PARKS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, UH, BUT THERE'S AN EVEN BIGGER TALK.
UM, THE ONE CHALLENGE ON THE HORIZON THAT COULD BE ONLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AWAY.
SO IT'S REALLY WHAT ROBERT'S SAYING IS, SO RIGHT NOW LET'S TAKE MAINTENANCE TOO.
NOT OUR HIGHEST THING, BUT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD GIVE US THREE, BUT TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT THREE PLUS, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY? YEAH.
MAYBE THREE MORE JUST AT THAT LEVEL, THEN YOU TAKE MAINTENANCE ONE.
SO WE'VE EVEN DONE THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ON THE PD SIDE TOO.
I THINK GREG, I'M SURE HE ASKED FOR, HE ASKED FOR MORE, I KNOW BILLY DOES WINK, WINK, UM, TILLER TRUCK.
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AS WE CAN, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT NEED.AND I DO THINK LAKEWOOD, PARK'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS A, IT'S A GREAT FACILITY, I THINK, BUT EVERYTHING WE ADD IS THAT MUCH MORE MAINTENANCE IT'S, AS Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW ANYTHING, YOU BUILD, ANYTHING YOU MAINTAIN.
UM, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND EVEN, I THINK MARK'S EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN YOU DO? WHAT COULD YOU DO TO EVEN HAVE A PD PRESENCE IN SOME OF THE PARKS SOME OF THE TIME TOO, OR I'LL TRADE YOU THIS FOR THAT, IF THEY CAN BE OVER HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, SOMEONE EITHER, IF GRAFFITI OCCURS, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA, THEY GOTTA CLEAN IT UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY TOO.
IF WE KEEP EVERYTHING CLEAN, MAYBE YOU HAVE FEWER PROBLEMS AND THEN VICE VERSA IF YOU HAVE MORE PATROL, BUT IT'S, IT IS A BALANCE.
AND WE DO GET THE QUALITY CONTROL QUESTIONS OR COMPLAINTS THAT COME FORWARD.
THAT WOULD BE THE STREETS CREWS OR THE PARKS CREWS TOO.
AND SO I WOULD SAY THIS IN YEARS, LIKE LAST YEAR WERE WHERE WE HAD A FAIRLY HIGH FTE BUMP, BUT WE ALSO HAVE UNFILLED POSITIONS.
AND THE SALARY SURVEY KIND OF SHOWED AREAS WHERE WE HAVE HIGH TURNOVER.
ONE OF THE REASONS, UM, WE WANTED TO PUT SOMEBODY A FEW MORE IN THERE TOO, IS BECAUSE PARKS IS STRETCHED.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO RAISE THEIR SALARIES.
WE OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT TRYING TO GROW THEM AT THE SAME RATE THAT PD, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A BALANCE AND IT'S PART OF THE FULL SERVICE CITY BEING A FULL SERVICE CITY.
WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE AREAS, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE SCENARIOS.
AND THEN THE THINGS THAT, AND I DO THINK WE KIND OF TAKE FOR GRANTED, WE'VE GOT, LET'S TAKE THE ASSISTANT PLANNER, ROBERT ROBIN SHOP.
WE DO TAKE FOR GRANTED ALL OF US, HOW PRODUCTIVE CERTAIN AREAS ARE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE PUSH IT, PUSH THAT MOTOR A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK WE STILL NEED TO BE COGNIZANT THAT IF YOU TAKE ENGINEERING OR PLANNING, UH, PARKS, MAINTENANCE, ANY OF THEM AND COMPARE IT TO OUR PEERS THAT ARE ALL PAYING MORE, OUR FOLKS ARE DOING MORE WITH LESS.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S THAT WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.
AGAIN, IT'S THAT FUNCTION OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
IF NORTHLINE BECOMES THE DOMAIN, LIKE THE DOMAIN ROLEX STORE, ALL, ALL THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, THEN THOSE PROBLEMS WILL BE BEHIND US.
AND YES, WE HAVE CAP METRO AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT THAT WILL BE ON THE BACKEND.
[23. Discuss receiving No-New-Revenue and Voter-Approval tax rate calculations; take action to consider a proposed tax rate; and schedule a public hearing date for the proposed tax rate.]
ITEM 23, DISCUSS RECEIVING NO NEW REVENUE AND VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE CALCULATIONS.TAKE ACTION TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED TAX RATE AND SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR THE PROPOSED TAX RATE.
UH, CANCEL FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE SEPARATE VOTES AND THEY'LL ALL BE ROLL CALL.
SO WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FINANCE POWERS.
UH, IN 2019, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE CHANGED THE, UH, THE RULES OF THE GAME AND, AND SETTING, UH, THE PROPERTY TAXES FOR ALL TAXING ENTITIES AND CAME UP WITH THE SOME NEW TERMS. UM, THE FIRST TERM IS CALLED THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
AND, UH, THAT IS THE RATE THAT, THAT IS THE TAX RATE, THE TOTAL TAX RATE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS AS THE CITY GENERATED LAST YEAR ON PROPERTY.
THAT WAS ON THE TAX ROLLS LAST YEAR.
SO IT EXCLUDES ANY NEW NEW DEVELOPMENTS LOOKS AT WHAT WAS ON THE ROLLS LAST YEAR.
AND WHAT WOULD WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE GROWTH IN VALUES ON THOSE PROPERTIES? WHAT WOULD THE TAX RATE NEED TO BE TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS? OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE KNOWS, UH, THE EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES HAVE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF.
SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, THE TAX RATE WOULD GO DOWN IF THE TAX VALUES HAVE GONE UP TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST CALCULATION THAT, UH, THE STATE REQUIRES A TAXING ENTITY TO DO.
THE NEXT STEP IS, UH, WHAT'S CALLED THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, AND THAT IS THE HIGHEST RATE THAT THE CITY CAN ADOPT, UM, UNLESS IT WANTS TO, UH, PROPOSE A, AN ELECTION TO THE VOTERS TO ADOPT A HIGHER RATE.
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A COMBINATION COMBINATION OF THREE PIECES.THE FIRST PIECE IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE.
THAT IS THE TAX, THE PROPERTY TAX RATE THAT, THAT FUNDS THE GENERAL FUND.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THE, UH, IT'S, IT TAKES NO NEW REVENUE RATE FOR OPERATIONS, AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO INCREASE THAT BY THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
UM, SO YOU TAKE THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AS IT DID LAST YEAR ON EXISTING PROPERTY AND INCREASE THAT BY THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
THE NEXT PIECE THAT YOU GET TO ADD IT, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
UH, THE LAW ALLOWS, UH, ENTITIES TO LOOK BACK THREE YEARS AND, UH, CAPTURE WHAT'S CALLED UNUSED INCREMENT.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UM, AND THIS SUPPLIES TO, TO LANDER, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS, EACH OF THOSE THREE YEARS, WE HAVE NOT, THE COUNCIL HAS NOT ADOPTED THE MAXIMUM RATE IT COULD HAVE.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY ADOPTED LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE YEAR BEFORE THAT TH THAT DIFFERENCE AND WHAT IT COULD HAVE DONE LEGALLY, IT'S CALLED THE UNUSED INCREMENT.
AND YOU CAN ADD THOSE UP, UM, AND USE THEM, UH, THIS YEAR.
SO THERE'S A THREE-YEAR LOOK-BACK PERIOD.
AND, UM, FOR THE CITY OF LEANDRA, THOSE THREE YEARS ADD UP TO 1.90 CENTS.
THE THIRD PIECE OF THE FORMULA IS THE DEBT RATE.
THAT IS THE TAX RATE, UH, NEEDED TO, UM, UH, TO SATISFY THE EXIT, THE CITY'S EXISTING DEBT SERVICE FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO YOU CAN'T PROJECT FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCE AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE BECAUSE WE INTEND TO ISSUE MORE DEBT.
IT'S ONLY LOOKING AT WHAT DEBT WE HAVE TODAY AND WHAT THAT DEBT SERVICE IS IN THE COMING YEAR.
SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT UP, AND FORTUNATELY THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY TAX OFFICE DOES THIS FOR, FOR US.
UM, I JUST HAD TO TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AS BEST I CAN, BUT, UM, SO THE, THE, THE TOP ROW ARE THE DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT PIECES THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT THE FIRST ROW IS THE CALCULATED RATES.
THIS IS STATUTORY LEAGUE REQUIRED, UH, TO DO THESE CALCULATIONS.
SO THE TAX RATE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AS LAST YEAR ON EXISTING PROPERTIES FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER WOULD BE, UH, A FRACTION OVER 38 CENTS CURRENTLY WE'RE, UH, AT APPROXIMATELY 48 CENTS.
SO IF WE JUST WANTED TO, IF IT WAS JUST TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS AS LAST YEAR, UH, THE TAX RATE WOULD HAVE TO DROP 10 CENTS THE AND OPERATIONS RATE, UH, TO, TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS AS LAST YEAR IS, UH, 0.2 FOR 24.40 CENTS.
UH, THE VOTER APPROVAL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, RIGHT, WHICH IS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT GREATER IS LITTLE OVER 25 CENTS.
THE UNUSED INCREMENTS FROM THE PRIOR THREE YEARS IS 1.90 CENTS.
AND SO YOU GET A TOTAL, UM, YOUR, YOUR MAXIMUM AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR TONIGHT.
THE MAXIMUM MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE THAT YOU COULD ADOPT IS, UH, 27.23 TO 5 CENTS.
AND THEN THE CALCULATED DEBT RATE IS 18.29 CENTS.
SO THE MAXIMUM, THE MAXIMUM RATE TONIGHT IS A LITTLE OVER 45.50 CENTS.
THE, THE, THE NEXT, UH, ROWS SHOW YOU HOW, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE CURRENT TAX RATE IN
SO, UH, IN THIS CASE, UM, THE CURRENT RATE FOR OPERATIONS IS 5.70 CENTS GREATER THAN THE CALCULATED RATE.
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UH, THE MAXIMUM IS 4.90 CENTS ABOVE, UM, OR THE CURRENT RATE IS 4.90 CENTS ABOVE, UH, THE CALCULATED RATE.BUT TONIGHT YOU'RE REALLY TASKED WITH DECIDING WHAT THE PROPOSED RATE FOR FYI 23 IS GOING TO BE.
UM, THE RECOMMENDED THE PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDED BUDGET WAS BASED ON, UM, OUR BEST ASSUMPTIONS OF WHAT THESE RATES WOULD TURN OUT TO BE.
UM, WE, WE GOT THE OFFICIAL CALCULATIONS ON, ON LAST THURSDAY.
SO, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, THE, THE NUMBER CRUNCHING HAD BEEN DONE PRIOR TO THAT, UH, WHAT'S THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE, UM, IN SUMMARY FORM, AND YOU'LL GET THE DETAIL OF NEXT WEEK.
NEXT WEEK IS BASED ON A TAX RATE OF 42.26 CENTS.
THAT'S THAT NUMBER WHEN, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE CALCULATED RATES ARE, VERSUS WHAT WE WERE ASSUMING, UM, LET ME JUMP TO THE DEBT.
FIRST, THE CALCULATED DEBT RATE IS 18.
OUR BUDGET IS BASED ON A TECH DEBT TAX RATE OF 16 CENTS.
AND THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE.
NOW, THE THING ABOUT THE DEBT RATE IS, IS, UM, THAT MONEY HAS TO STAY IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.
SO YOU, YOU CAN'T, UM, YOU CAN'T PLAY AROUND WITH THAT RATE AND, AND TAKE ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND, AND USE IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
IT HAS TO STAY IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, BUT THE REASON THAT THERE'S SUCH A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE CALCULATED RATE AND WHAT WE'RE USING IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED RATE IS JUST A QUIRK OF THE FORMULA IN THE STATUTE.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT DOES THE FORMULA IN THE STATUTE IGNORES ARE ANY, ANY PROPERTIES THAT HAVE US, UH, UH, UH, SENIOR, UH, TAX FREEZE OR A DISABLED PERSON'S TAX FREEZE? UM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS WHY THAT IS, IS BECAUSE IN A WAY, THE TAX RATE DOESN'T MATTER FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO PAY MORE, UH, ON THEIR TAX BILL THAN WHEN IT WAS FROZEN.
SO THE FORMULA SETS THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ASIDE AND LEANDER, UH, OFFERS THE SENIOR AND DISABLED PERSONS TAX FREEZE, AND IT'S A FAIRLY SIZABLE PART OF OUR POPULATION, BUT THOSE PROPERTIES STILL PAY TAXES.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY OUR DEBT RATE THAT'S NEEDED IS LESS THAN THE CALCULATED RATE, BECAUSE THE CALCULATED RATE IGNORES THOSE PROPERTIES, PAYING THIRD TAXES.
SO IT'S JUST A QUIRK THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO, TO, UH, UH, IT'S MORE DRAMATIC THIS YEAR THAN IT HAS BEEN IN, IN THE PAST, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH WITH IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT, UH, THE, THE STATUTORY DEBT RATE OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT THAT MONEY JUST STAYS IN THE DEBT SERVICE, THAT IT CAN'T GO ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE ELSE.
BUT SO REALLY THE, I MEAN, THAT IS A DECISION FOR YOU TONIGHT WHEN WE GET TO IT, BUT MAYBE THE LARGER DECISION IS THE BUDGET IS BASED ON A 26.26 CENT TAX RATE.
THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU COULD PROPOSE TONIGHT IS 27.2.
SO 0.90 CENTS, UH, OF ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD VOTE TONIGHT TO SET THAT AS YOUR CEILING.
IT DOESN'T, UM, BIND YOU IN ANY WAY, UH, TO ADOPT THAT, BUT IT SETS THE CEILING, UH, AND THAT ADDITIONAL NINE TENTHS OF A PENNY WOULD, WOULD GENERATE $750,000 IN ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAT, THAT YOU COULD, UM, AS YOU DELIBERATE BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER WHEN THE BUDGET'S ADOPTED, UH, THAT COULD WORK IN YOUR, IN YOUR CALCULATIONS, MR. POWERS.
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DIFFERENCE FOR JUST THE AVERAGE PROPERTY TAX BILL? WHAT UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, AS A WHOLE WOULD GENERATE AN ADDITIONAL 750,000, BUT FOR THE ON AVERAGE, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN PER HOUSEHOLD? WELL, LOOK, THERE'S A SLIDE, JUST SO HAPPENS TO HAVE A SLIDE.UM, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAD ASKED ME THAT THE OTHER DAY, UH, IT MADE ME THINK TO PUT THIS, THIS SLIDE IN THIS PRESENTATION.
AND SO, UH, I'M JUST ASSUMING I JUST TOOK A, UH, SAMPLE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD HOME VALUE THAT LAST YEAR WAS ON THE ROLL AT $400,000 BECAUSE IT'S A HOMESTEAD.
THE MAXIMUM IT'S TAX VALUE CAN GO UP AS 10%.
SO, UH, LAST YEAR THAT PROPERTY WOULD PAY WOULD'VE PAID 1900 AND, UH, $1,919 IN CITY TAXES.
UM, LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR, LET'S ASSUME THAT IT, IT WENT UP TO $440,000, WHICH I THINK IS A FAIR ASSUMPTION.
UH, BUT THAT'S THE MOST, IT COULD, IF IT'S A HOMESTEAD, UH, UNDER THE, THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED TAX RATE, UH, THAT PROPERTY WOULD, UH, PAY $1,860 OR $59 LESS THAN LAST YEAR'S TAX.
IF, UH, THE COUNCIL ULTIMATELY APPROVED THE, UM, THE FULL VOTER APPROVAL RATE, NOT ONLY THE, ON THE MNO SIDE, BUT WENT TO THE FULL RATE ON THE DEBT SIDE, THAT SAME PROPERTY WOULD PAY AN ADDITIONAL $84 THAN IT DID LAST YEAR.
THE LAST OPTION, OR THE LAST EXAMPLE IS IF ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THE MAXIMUM, UH, MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS TAX RATE, AND THEN THE, UM, UH, THE CITY'S, UH, PROPOSED DEBT RATE OF 16 CENTS, THEN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD, WOULD PAY $17 LESS THAN IT DID IN THE CURRENT YEAR.
SO, UM, IT COULD BE AS IF YOU WENT TO FULL MAX THAT'S $84.
IF YOU WANT, ONLY THE MAX ON THE OPERATIONS, IT WOULD BE $17 LESS.
MINE IS JUST A REMINDER TO US TOO, THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO SET THE CEILING AND THE MAXIMUM FOR THIS, THAT CAN COME DOWN, BUT WE CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER THAN THIS.
IF WE, IF WE FIND OUT THERE'S THIS BIG NEED THAT WE NEED AFTER TONIGHT, AND WE SET THE CEILING AND WE COULD HAVE SAID IT, RIGHT.
IF WE SET IT UP, LET'S SAY THIS ONE, IF WE SET IT AT THE PRELIMINARY, OR IF WE SET IT AT THE, UM, EVEN THE, UM, UH, VARIABLE, BUT DURING THE MNO ONLY, AND WE FIND OUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEEDED THAT MONEY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND GET IT.
IF WE DON'T SET THE CEILING HIGHER, EVEN IF WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AFTER WE GET MORE PRESENTATIONS AND SEE WHAT OUR SCENARIOS ARE.
IS THAT RIGHT? MR. POWERS? YES, SIR.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TAX RATE CALCULATIONS.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE TAX RATE CALCULATIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UH, PLEASE ONE, YOU NEED A VERBAL ROLL CALL ON ALL THREE.
DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED TAX RATE? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, PROPOSE SETTING THE CEILING AT THE VARIABLE ADJUSTED RATE, WHICH IS DURING THE, WHEN YOU SAY THAT D THE AMOUNT AND AS WELL TOO.
THE NUMBER IS POINT 0.4 5 5 2 6 2.
WELL, SO, SO SECOND EMOTION A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE RATE? ONE SECOND.
WAIT, WHY ARE YOU CHECKING THAT? SO THAT'S RAISING THE DEBT PORTION UP 2.2 PENNIES, I GUESS, AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT BASED ON OUR CURRENT DEBT.
SO, UM, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SET YOUR DEBT BASED ON
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THE CALCULATED RATE.THAT'S THE 18.20 CENTS, UH, THAT WILL GENERATE MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALLOWABLE.
UM, UH, IF THE, IF THE DECISION IS TO STAY WITH THE 16TH CENT, THAT RIGHT THEN THE TOTAL, UM, THE CEILING WOULD BE 43.2, THREE TO FIVE.
THAT'S THE MNO ONLY SAMPLE YOU'RE GIVING US.
MY REASON FOR MAKING THE MOTION WHERE IT WAS, BUT JUST IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO, WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S AT THE CEILING, WE CAN BRING IT DOWN.
WE'VE WE'VE DONE THAT ALSO EVERY YEAR, THE LAST THREE YEARS OF EXACTLY THAT SET THAT SAME PROCESS, MORE TIME TO PLAY WITH THE NUMBERS, BUT THE 45 CENTS, UM, ALLOWS THE, WOULD INCLUDE THEM THE MAXIMUM ON THE, THE DEBT.
WHICH YOU CAN ALSO ADJUST DOWN AS YOU DELIBERATE.
UH, SO AS I HEARD, THE MOTION OF THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE THE 45 TO 62.
THAT INCLUDES THE MAXIMUM ON THE DEBT RATE AS WELL.
YOU HAD IT LISTED AS ADJUSTED V VARIABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH THAT.
AND I WILL MAKE THE MOTION SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE FOR SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022 SECOND.
I HEARD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PANTALEON PARKER ON THE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, PLACE ONE.
UM, COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY WANT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR DO WE WANT TO POWER THROUGH THESE LAST TWO ITEMS? WE CAN DO IT.
[24. Discuss and consider action on the Third Addendum to the Development and Reimbursement Agreement for the Village at Leander Station; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE AHEAD.ITEM 24, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE THIRD ADDENDUM TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE VILLAGE AT LEANDER STATION AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
THIS AGREEMENT DOES TWO THINGS.
THIS IS, THERE IS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE VILLAGE AT LEANDER STATION PROPERTY IT'S IT WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT 140 ACRES.
THE NORTHLAND DEVELOPER PURCHASED 45 ACRES OUT OF THAT TVI PROPERTY.
UM, AND FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, THE TVI DEVELOPER AND THE NORTH LINE WERE SPLITTING THE TERMS REIMBURSEMENTS THAT CAME OFF OF THAT PROPERTY.
THE TVI DEVELOPER AND THE NORTHLAND DEVELOPER HAVE AGREED TO, UM, HAVE THE 45 ACRES OWNED BY NORTH LINE, REMOVED FROM THIS TVI AGREEMENT AND BECOME SUBJECT TO NORTH LINE'S DEVELOPMENT AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND SO TH THIS DOCUMENT WOULD REFLECT THAT AGREEMENT.
UM, AND UNDER THE NORTH LINE AGREEMENT, THERE'S A PRIORITY OF PAYMENTS THAT'S ESTABLISHED.
THERE NORTHLINE IS, IS BEHIND, UM, SEVERAL OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT CAME, UH, GOT THEIR TOURS REIMBURSEMENTS APPROVED AHEAD OF NORTHLINE AS WELL AS THE CITY'S CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND, UH, SOME PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF REIMBURSING WILLIAMSON COUNTY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO THE NORTHLINE DEVELOPER DOESN'T START TO GET PAID UNTIL ALL THOSE OTHER PARTIES ARE SATISFIED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE AGREEMENTS.
SO, UH, THAT AGREEMENT DOES THAT, DOES THAT, UH, IT ALSO AMENDS THE DEFINITION OF APPLICABLE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO THE TVI PROPERTY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ZONING ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED THAT APPLY TO THE TVI PROJECT.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND THE TERMS AND THE LDA BOTH APPROVED THIS AGREEMENT COUNSEL, WELL, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AWESOME MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MS. SIGNS? DO I VOTE ON THIS SINCE I WAS ON TOURS? YES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[25. Discuss and consider an ordinance amending the Council Rules of Procedure to amend procedures related to Council requested agenda items and address charter enforcement procedures; and providing an effective date.]
AND I AM 25 DISCUSSING CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE TO AMEND PROCEDURES RELATED TO COUNCIL REQUESTED AGENDA ITEMS AND ADDRESS CHARTER ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.[02:45:01]
DON'T KNOW WHO'S TAKING THIS, DO WE? I MEAN, I CAN JUST SUMMARIZE.SO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, UM, PAIGE HELPED US OUT COME UP WITH, UH, SOME, SOME DEFINITIONS IN HERE TOO, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT OUR RETREAT.
ONE WAS CHANGING THE, WHEN THINGS WOULD BE DUE UNTIL, UH, FROM WEDNESDAY TO TUESDAY TO GIVE STAFF BETTER TIME, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN HERE.
UM, WE ALSO HAD, UM, UH, MAKING SURE THAT IF COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE BRINGING FORTH AGENDA ITEMS, THAT WE WERE PROVIDING INFORMATION WITH THOSE THAT'S ALSO BEEN ADDED IN HERE AND GETTING THEM TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND TIME.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE FACILITY MANAGERS TO COME UP WITH A PROCEDURE IN WHICH, UM, WE, UH, LIKE AN ORDER OF COMMUNICATION AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MEMO HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US AS WELL.
AND THERE'S ALSO, UM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HAD TIME TO GO OVER IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALSO IN SECTION, LET'S SEE D D THREE, YOU ADDED A PORTION IN THAT, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, JUST TO THERE.
AND THEN, UH, G AND ON WAS BASICALLY WHAT WE HAD, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, NOT MANY CHANGES IN THERE EXCEPT FOR WHAT I THINK ONE THING WE WERE ALL INTERESTED IN WAS DEFINITIONS OF TERMS. AND THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S AT THE END TOO.
SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH MORE FOR US, I THINK, TO PRESENT AS, UH, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WORKED ON IT, UNLESS THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY.
AND WE ALSO, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, BOTH HAS BEEN NICOLE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU WEREN'T THERE WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE YOU GET ANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED AS WELL.
TWO THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, ARE IN HERE JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
AND THAT WAY YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU'D LIKE IT OR NOT.
UM, THE PART ABOUT THE PROCEDURE TO IMPLEMENT THE SECTION FOUR OR FIVE OF THE CHARTER IN SECTION D THAT SECTION D FOR THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE CITY MANAGER ESTABLISHES.
HERE'S HOW YOU INTERACT WITH THE STAFF.
UM, SINCE THE CHARTER SAYS, YOU ONLY INTERACT WITH THE STAFF THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER IT'S SO THE CITY MANAGER ESTABLISHES THAT WRITTEN PROTOCOL, WHICH HE'S DONE.
AND THIS PROVISION SAYS THAT IF THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY MANAGER ESTABLISHES AND THEN SUBSECTIONS TWO AND THREE, THESE RULES, THE CITY MANAGERS, PROCEDURE CONTROLS, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE CHARTER.
AND THAT'S GIVING DEFERENCE TO THE CITY MANAGER TO, UM, DETERMINE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR HIS MANAGEMENT OF THE STAFF AND HAVING THOSE INTERACTIONS.
SO THAT I JUST NOTE THAT THERE, CAUSE THERE'S TWO SECTIONS IN THIS EXISTING RULES THAT TALK ABOUT HOW COUNCIL CAN REQUEST STAFF REPORTS AND HOW COUNCIL CAN REQUEST INFORMATION FROM STAFF.
SO I NOTE THAT JUST BE AWARE, THAT WAS THE REASON I STATED THAT, BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH.
SO I NOTE THAT, AND THEN ON THE DEFINITIONS, THE DEFINITIONS ARE AT THE VERY END OF THE DOCUMENT AND ONLY DEFINE THREE TERMS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER REASONS FOR REMOVAL, BUT THEY SEEM PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IF NOT THAT WE CAN ADD, THESE ARE BASED ON SOME STATE LAW THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO NOTE ON THE MALFEASANCE ONE, I, I THINK I READ IT AGAIN.
I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE.
THIS DEFINITION HAS TO DO WITH VARIOUS TYPES OF CONDUCT, BUT IT INCLUDES CONDUCT THAT INTERFERES WITH ADMINISTRATION, OPERATION OR MANAGEMENT OF THE CITY OR ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS DUTIES UNDER THE CHARTER CITY ORDINANCE OR STATE LAW.
THAT PROVISION SHOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE, UM, THAT INTERFERES WITH ANY KIND OF ANY, ANY OFFICIALS, ANY, AND NOT JUST THE ELECTED OFFICIAL BEING THE COUNCIL, BUT ANY KIND OF PERS ANY PERSON IN STAFF, PERSONS ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB.
SO I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AN AMENDED IN YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
JUST HELP US WITH THE TERMS THAT YOU NEED THERE.
UM, I WOULD, YOU COULD MAKE IT ANY PURSE, ANY PERSONS INTERFERENCE WITH ANY PERSONAL DUTIES UNDER THE CHARTER CITY ORDINANCES OR STATE LAW, ANY PERSONS YOU WERE SAYING THE LAST LINE.
INSTEAD OF ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS DUTIES, ANY PERSON'S DUTIES UNDER GOT IT.
I THINK IN DEFINITIONS, I WAS LOOKING FOR ONE ABOUT WHAT IS INCLUDED IN DIRECTING STAFF, BUT IN GOING BACK AND REREADING THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT, IT JUST SAYS, COUNSEL SHALL NOT GIVE ORDERS DIRECTLY TO ANY CITY EMPLOYEE.
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NOT IN THERE AND THAT'S BEEN TOSSED AROUND A LOT.SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED CLARIFICATION ON EXACTLY WHAT THAT INCLUDES.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S OKAY NOW WITH THIS DEFINITION, I HAVE IT WHERE YOU COULD ALSO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL TEETH IN THIS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS IN THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT.
SO WE HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION THAT ADDRESSES INTERACTION WITH STAFF AND THAT'S THAT SUBSECTION D AND YOU HAVE THIS PROCEDURE ABOUT IMPLEMENTING.
SO THE CITY MANAGER PROCEDURE REALLY HELPS A LOT.
SO WE HAVE THE PROCEDURE, YOU COULD INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT COUNCIL MUST FOLLOW THAT PROCEDURE.
SO DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT TO THAT EFFECT THAT WOULD MAYBE GIVE SOME MORE CLARITY IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEEDED? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE IF THE PROCEDURE CHANGES IT'S COVERED.
IT'S GOTTA BE WHATEVER THE CURRENT PROCEDURE.
SO CAN I JUST GO THROUGH THIS? DID YOU, WHERE YOU GOING, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL WORKING ON THIS.
UM, AND THIS WASN'T EVEN A CHANGE, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON JUST TO CLARIFY UNDER, UH, ON THE FIRST PAGE UNDER AGENDAS AND THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT SAYS, UM, THAT BUDGETS LIKE ANYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE BUDGET CAN BE APPROVED, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE BUDGET AMENDMENTS? UM, WHAT SECTION OR IS THIS UNDER AGENDAS? A CONSENT AGENDA, NUMBER TWO FIRST PAGE, FIRST PAGE.
SO IT'S NOTHING THAT WE'VE CHANGED.
THAT WAS JUST, BUT IT'S A QUESTION UNDER WHAT CAN BE ON THE, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
CAUSE IT SAYS WITHIN THE BUDGET, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT THAT'S COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND IT'S KIND OF A ROUTINE, SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
SO IF IT'S A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ITEM, CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO YOU'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT, OR YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO DISCUSS THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST MOTION AND VOTE ON A CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THAT'S REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET AND I NEED TO DEFER TO, I NEED TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY CAVEAT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE BUDGET, YOU HAVE A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT TO KIND OF RECONCILE THINGS MID-YEAR AND THEN BEFORE THE FINAL BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS WELL.
SO I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE COME TO US ON CONSENT AND THAT'S HOW I RECEIVE IT.
SO I ASSUME THAT THAT IS OKAY, IT'S WITHIN COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT AND YOU CAN ALWAYS PULL SOMETHING OFF.
BUT IF IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR HERE.
UM, SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED IF IT'S, I KNOW THAT WE CAN PULL IT, BUT IF IT'S AUTOMATICALLY HAS TO BE A, AN AGENDA ITEM, NOT A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING, I'M HEARING TWO THINGS, I'M HEARING TWO THINGS, SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IS IT? THE ACTUAL BUDGET AMENDMENT, THE ORDINANCE THAT'S AMENDING THE BUDGET OR IS IT A, A, AN ITEM THAT IF APPROVED WILL CREATE THE NEED FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT LATER? OH, IT IS AN ACTUAL BUDGET AMENDMENT.
UM, THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I THOUGHT WE HAD ONE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO, SO THIS SHOULD READ AND FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, IT HAS TO BE CONSENT IF IT'S COMING FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU WANT A FIRE TRUCK DON'T YOU? OKAY.
SO IT DOES, OR DOES NOT INCLUDE BUDGET AMENDMENTS IF ROBERT SAYS IT INCLUDES A BUDGET AMENDMENT DOES.
IF YOU WOULDN'T, IF YOU WANT CLARITY AROUND THAT, WE CAN ADD IT.
OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO SET A STANDING RULE THAT WE DON'T PUT THOSE ON CONSENT.
IT'S JUST AS WE JUST WANT CONSISTENCY, BECAUSE IF I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, THEN IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ASKING THE FUTURE.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT INCLUDE AMENDMENTS OR NOT? SO THAT WAS ONE THING.
SO WE SHOULD CLEAR THAT UP HERE.
I SHOULD CLEAR THAT UP AND YOU CAN CLEAR THAT UP BY ADDING BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO INCLUDE BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
AND, UM, LET'S SEE, I'VE GOT THIS.
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SO I'VE GOT LITTLE NOTES THAT AREN'T REALLY, UM, OKAY.AT OUR INTERACTION WITH CITY STAFF.
IT DOES CLARIFY, SHALL DEAL, DEAL SOLELY THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS OUR CHAIN OF COMMAND, SO TO SPEAK OR CHAIN OF COMMUNICATION AND OKAY.
I LIKE, UM, AND THIS IS ON THE NEW PART.
WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER UNDER G FOUR? NO, FIVE G FIVE ETHICS COMMISSION.
UNDER C THREE, FIVE C THREE, A LETTER OF ADMONITION SHALL BE APPROPRIATE SANCTION IN THOSE CASES, IN WHICH THE COUNCIL FINDS THE VIOLATION IS MINOR AND OR MAY HAVE BEEN IN UNINTENTIONAL, BUT CALLS FOR A MORE SUBSTANTIAL RESPONSE THAN A LETTER OF NOTIFICATION.
SO CAN WE DEFINE MORE SUBSTANTIAL RESPONSE? WHAT THAT MEANS? I KNOW I'M GETTING PAID FOR.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST GIVING OURSELVES OPTIONS TO DO THINGS AND IT'S JUST, UM, TO WHAT LEVEL DO WE THINK WE NEED TO ALERT EVERYBODY? AND NO MATTER WHICH ONE IT IS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE.
WE CAN DECIDE ANY OF THESE BECAUSE ONE THING IT SAYS ON THERE, IT SAYS, UH, ANY COMBINATION OF, OF THESE THINGS COULD BE, COULD BE TALKED ABOUT.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE WITH WHATEVER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE DELIBERATING ABOUT WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO DECIDE OUT OF THIS LIST OF THINGS.
WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE, NO MATTER WHAT.
SO TO BE DECIDED BY COUNSEL AT THAT TIME.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDED, YOU KNOW, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL RESPONSE TO BE DETERMINED BY COUNCIL.
LET'S GO TO YOU AND DETERMINE FACTUALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT IN SUBSECTION C, IT SAYS IF COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT A VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER HAS OCCURRED IN MAY IMPOSE ONE OR COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING COURSES OF ACTION.
UM, ON SIX IS JUST CLEARING UP THE LANGUAGE, CORRECT.
REPEATED CONDUCTED TO READ REPEATED CONDUCT.
IT'S THE SECOND TO THE BOTTOM LINE.
AND, AND ONE, ONE OTHER, UM, CLEANED UP AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION UNDER SEVEN AND IT'S THAT, THAT FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH UNDER THE 1, 2, 3, 4, UM, THIRD ROW AT THE END, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ALSO MAKE CONSIDER.
AGAIN, TYPO MAY ALSO CONSIDER, SO ELIMINATE THE WORD MAKE, THERE SHOULD BE A WAY FOR STAFF TO, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS CENTERED AROUND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A WAY FOR STAFF TO, TO FILE A COMPLAINT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ANONYMOUS, ANONYMOUSLY REQUEST AN INQUIRY, UH, WITHOUT FEAR OF RETRIBUTION OR SOMETHING AND ANY SUGGESTIONS ON, ON THAT.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S WELL, AND IF THERE IS THAT CASE THAT WOULD COME UP TO THE CITY MANAGER, BUT THE, BUT PART OF THE KEY IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING ANONYMOUS.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND THE PERSON THAT WANTS IT ADDRESSED.
AND, BUT IF IT, IF IT IS FROM THE STAFF, THEN THAT WOULD COME OUT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND TO HANDLE ACCORDINGLY, BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY AVAILABILITY TO ANONYMOUS ANYTHING.
UM, AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE MAYBE ANONYMOUS TO US.
SO YOU CAN ADDRESS A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE AN ANONYMOUS.
I THINK THEY'RE WELL, AND I'M JUST A HYPOTHETICAL, UM, LET'S SAY I CALL PAIGE AND ASK HER A QUESTION AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CALLING HER.
AND I HAVEN'T CALLED THE CITY MANAGER AND SHE'S, SHE NEEDS TO LET HIM KNOW, BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT ME TO KNOW THAT I'VE GOTTEN IN TROUBLE.
SO SHE LETS HIM KNOW, AND THEN WE DO AN INVESTIGATION OR SOMETHING JUST TO SEE THAT, OKAY.
I, I DID ACTUALLY EMAIL, I DID GET PERMISSION OR WHATEVER, AND THEN IT'S ALL.
UM, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, LET'S DO IT ALL RIGHT.
AND IF Y'ALL, DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY, TECHNICALLY PAGES
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AND CITY STAFF, I I'M JUST USING HER.THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHIN HERE, THOUGH, AS LONG AS IT COMES THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, CAN'T ANYBODY MAKE THAT ANYBODY CAN MAKE A CLAIM OF A VIOLATION THROUGH THIS RIGHT HERE.
ANYBODY CAN, UH, IT COULD BE PETE, PETE, PETE HAS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE.
AND LET'S SAY THAT I DID SOMETHING I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE.
AND HE GOES, HEY MAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THE CITY CHARTER AND THERE'S AN ISSUE.
AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE, NICK IS VIOLATING THIS.
AND THAT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE I LIKE RIGHTEOUSNESS IN MY CITY.
AND SO HE GOES TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND HE, HE DOES A SWORN AT SAYING, SAYING, THIS WAS THE ISSUE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD COME UP FOR US.
UM, AT THAT POINT FOR WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT PIZZA, NOT IN THE DELIBERATION ANYWAYS.
SO WE CAN'T TALK TO PETE ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE REST OF THE SIX OF YOU WOULD DELIBERATE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WOULD BE THE COURSE OF ACTION BY THOSE THINGS THAT WERE THERE WERE THERE.
SO HE COULD, UH, PAIGE COULD, YOU COULD, RICK COULD, UM, TIE YOUR IN.
YOU COULD, BUT THERE SHOULD REALLY ALREADY BE THOSE PROCESSES THROUGH HR, FOR STAFF.
THERE SHOULD ALREADY BE THOSE PROCESSES FOR THEM TO LODGE A COMPLAINT OR FILE A COMPLAINT THROUGH WHATEVER THEIR, BUT THIS ISN'T, THIS DOESN'T LIMIT.
THIS ISN'T LIMITED TO EVERYBODY TO JUST US, WHICH WOULD BE THE PERSON THAT ASKS IS THERE.
AND THEN, BUT HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE POSSIBLY MORE THAN ONE ROUTE.
IT MAY BE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY CITIZEN THAT FILE SOMETHING DIRECTLY WITH DAARS OFFICE.
IT MAY BE A STAFF MEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, UNSOLICITED COMES TO MY OFFICE OR COMES TO THEIR DIRECTOR IS AN EXAMPLE WHO THEN WHO THEN BRINGS IT UP TO MY OFFICE.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, AND I WOULD THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONSULTATION AS WELL IN TERMS OF OKAY.
UM, THEY BROUGHT THIS THERE, YOU KNOW, DOES IT RISE TO THE LEVEL AND JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG? BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK IN SOME CASES THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT THING, WELL, IT'S THE TOTALITY OF THE WHOLE CAN I HAVE, UH, I DO SUSPECT THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOME TREPIDATION ON THAT AND FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO WELL, AND I THINK TO THE, TO THE POINT OF THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE IT A TRANSPARENT AND GIVE COUNSEL AND FUTURE COUNCILS, REALLY THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO POLICE THEMSELVES FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
BUT IF THERE, IF THERE WERE A PROBLEM WHERE A STAFF MEMBER HAD A PROBLEM WITH COUNCIL INVADING THEIR SPACE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE IS THAT DOES NEED TO BE HANDLED ON, UH, ON THE CITY STAFF SIDE OF THINGS.
BUT AS IT GOES THROUGH THOSE MANAGEMENT LEVELS, IF IT WARRANTS THE CITY MANAGER TO GET INVOLVED INTO FILE A COMPLAINT ON BEHALF OF THAT TEAM MEMBER OR EMPLOYEE, BUT IT'S STILL, UM, THAT DOCUMENTATION THERE, THE EVIDENCE, AGAIN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BUT HAS TO BE PART OF THAT COMPLAINT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE COMPLAINY, IF IT IS SOME NEBULOUS, MAYBE THING.
RIGHT? AND SO, AND SO IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE STAFF THINGS IF IT BUBBLES UP TO, TO WHERE IT IS ON THE MANAGER'S DESK.
AND THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, YES, I AGREE WITH DEPARTMENT HEAD.
THE HOPE IS THAT REALLY A CONVERSATION HAS BEEN HAD BEFORE THIS GOING, HEY, THIS, WE CAN'T DO THIS.
CAN WE PLEASE CORRECT THIS BEHAVIOR? HOWEVER, IF IT CONTINUES AND IT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM, THEN NOW THERE'S AN AVENUE FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO BE ABLE TO FILE THAT COMPLAINT WITH DOCUMENTATION THAT GETS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT THE TIME COUNCIL CAN GO, OKAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY REALLY AN ETHICS COMPLAINT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO REFER THAT TO THE ETHICS BOARD OR YES, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF CITY CHARTER.
SO BECKY, YOU NEED TO STEP OUT OF THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT'S BEING COMPLAINED.
YOU'RE THE PERSON BEING COMPLAINED ABOUT.
SO NOW I'M OUT OF THE DELIBERATIONS AND THE REST OF YOU GET TO SIT DOWN AND GO, OKAY, NOW WHAT EXACTLY WAS SAID, AND THEY CAN GO BACK TO REC.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PULL THAT EMPLOYEE INTO THE CONVERSATION, BUT THE REST OF COUNCIL GETS ABLE TO DECIDE.
AND IN THE END THEY GO, YEAH, BECKY, REALLY, YOU
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KNOW, AND, AND WE FEEL LIKE OUT OF THIS LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT COURSE OF ACTION TO TAKE ANY HOPES THAT WE CAN CORRECT THIS BEHAVIOR.UM, AND THEN YOU SIT DOWN WITH ME AND YOU TELL ME WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
AND, AND THAT'S THE END OF IT.
IF IT COMES BACK AGAIN, THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU CAN PICK SOMETHING MORE SEVERE.
YOU COULD DECIDE THE NEXT THING WAS JUST REALLY A MISCOMMUNICATION.
AND SHOULDN'T BEEN A COMPLAINT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND THEN THAT GETS ADDRESSED ACCORDINGLY.
SO THERE'S NOT LIKE A ONE STRIKE, TWO STRIKE, THREE STRIKES.
YOU'RE OUT, IT'S EVERY SITUATION GETS DELIBERATED FOR WHAT IT IS JUST TO CLARIFY.
CAN Y'ALL UM, THIS IS GOING FORWARD FROM TODAY.
IF THIS IS PAST AND NOT RETROACTIVE, OR WHAT IS THE TIMING ON THIS DOCUMENT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
CAUSE IT SAYS EFFECTIVE DATE TODAY.
IT SAYS IN THERE THAT IT'S WHAT SAYS THERE.
AND IT ALSO SAYS, UM, CAUSE WE WERE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GUYS WERE THERE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE AND IT WAS, UM, UH, IT WAS MIRRORING WITH THE ETHICS ORDINANCE THAT WENT BACK TWO YEARS.
IT WAS THE, UM, IT WAS OUR INTENT, UH, AS A SMALL SUBCOMMITTEE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, WE WERE, IT WAS NOT GOING BACK AND TRYING TO GO ENFORCE RETROACTIVE THINGS AND, AND TO DO THAT, BUT WE COULDN'T, WE CAN'T PROBABLY ONE IS WE WANT TO SAY THAT THEN, OKAY.
UNDER THE ORDINANCE, YOU CAN GO BACK FOR TWO YEARS, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY THIS IS ADDRESSING BEHAVIOR GOING FORWARD, EVERYBODY'S ON NOTICE GOING FORWARD, THIS IS THE RULE.
YOU'VE GOTTEN THE MEMO FROM THE CITY MANAGER, BUT THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THERE'S A TWO YEAR TAIL.
CAUSE YEAH, I'M FINE WITH IT GOING FORWARD.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE OPEN MEETINGS THAT COULD BE A VIOLATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE PAST RETREATS WEREN'T HELD AS AN OPEN MEETING FORMAT.
SO SOMEBODY COULD FILE A COMPLAINT ON THAT COVER.
UM, YOU DO NOT RECORD SOME OF THE PAST ONES, BUT WE WERE NOT OKAY.
I WAS THINKING OF OFFSITE RETREATS OR, AND, AND THIS, THIS WON'T COVER UP IN MEETINGS.
AND THAT SAY IN THE ORDINANCE AT SAYING WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WHEN WE ADOPTED THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
SO IT'S A FINDING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THERE'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WHEN YOU ADOPTED THE RULES.
IF THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS, ACT ISSUES, THERE'S OTHER AVENUES FOR ADDRESSING THAT, BUT THIS WOULD JUST DEAL WITH ENFORCEMENT OF THE CITY CHARTER REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, ON THE CITY CHARTER, I ALSO SAW, IT SAID THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 10, NO SURPRISES SHARE ALL INFORMATION EQUALLY.
I THINK SOME OF THE OPEN MEETINGS, THERE'S KIND OF THIS GAME OF TELEPHONE.
LIKE I CAN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THE DIOCESE ABOUT ONE ITEM.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE REALLY ABIDE BY NUMBER 10 BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SHARING ALL THE INFORMATION EQUALLY.
CAUSE THAT'S AN OPEN MEETINGS VIOLATION.
CORRECT? I KNOW, BUT THERE'S NO OPEN MEETING CAUSE IT'S NOT POSTED.
IF WE'RE HAVING, IF THREE OF US HAVE A CONVERSATION, IT'S NOT A REQUIRED, THAT'S NOT AN OPEN MEETING.
THAT'S A DISCUSSION COUNCIL MEMBER, MATT, KATELYN, COREY, I THINK WHAT THAT PARTICULAR SECTIONS WERE GUARDING BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THIS WHEN WE DID, WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES AN INQUIRY FOR INFORMATION THAT I'M SHARING IT WITH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT NUMBER 10.
BUT TO HER POINT THAT THAT IS, UH, AN ISSUE.
CAN WE GET THAT COMMUNICATED TO EVERYONE ON THE DIOCESE THAT I CAN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THIS ABOUT A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.
AND SO THAT SHOULD BE COMMUNICATED THAT'S YEAH.
I THINK A LOT OF WHERE IT COMES INTO PLAY IS IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A STAFF MEMBER WHO SHARED SOMETHING WITH YOU, LIKE AN EMAIL AND THEN THAT WAS NOT DISTRIBUTED TO ALL OF COUNCIL.
SO ONLY SOME PEOPLE HAVE PART OF A STORY OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE REST DO NOT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ON US TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION.
IT WOULD BE ON STAFF TO SHARE THAT.
SO I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I'M HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT.
SOMETHING YOU GOT A CONCERN ABOUT THAT YOU GUYS MAY WANT TO FLUSH OUT SOME MORE, UM, UH, WELL SHE WAS SAYING THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION AND I, I BELIEVE IT IS WHAT'S ON THIS.
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ISN'T THE VA, THIS IS A GENERAL GUIDELINE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES.SO THIS IS LIKE, UM, I'M JUST ADDRESSING HER COMMENT.
AND I SAID, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, SO, OKAY.
BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE SPIRIT OF THE, UH, AT LEAST AT TML.
I KNOW THEY SAID IF I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DAVID ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 14, AND THEN HE'S HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE ELSE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE TELEPHONE GAME.
SO WE CAN JUST GET THAT REFRESHED TO EVERYONE HERE, THAT DAISY CHAIN OF, IF Y'ALL WANT TO HAVE SOME OPEN MEETINGS AT KIND OF REFRESHER INFORMATION, WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP THAT INCLUDES GOING OVER THAT AND PROVIDE YOU SOME MATERIALS THAT GO OVER.
JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT OPEN MEETINGS ACT REQUIRES.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING TO DO, BUT SO ALL OF US GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING AND IT'S YOU JUST WENT THROUGH IT.
SO WE ALL WENT THROUGH THAT SAME THING, BUT JUST TO REINFORCE THAT MESSAGE, IT, THE, IF YOU HAVE A FOUR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL DISCUSS AN ITEM, THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA OUTSIDE OF A MEETING, THAT'S AN OPEN MEETINGS, ACT VIOLATION, WHETHER IT'S VERBAL OR IN WRITING.
AND THEN IF YOU KIND OF DAISY CHAIN OF CONVERSATION WHERE ONE PERSON TALKS WITH ANOTHER, AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON TALKS WITH ANOTHER AND THE PERSON TALKS WITH ANOTHER, FOR THE PURPOSE OF LINING UP VOTES AND CIRCUMVENTING THE ACT, THEN THAT'S PROHIBITED AS WELL.
AND ANY VERBAL FORM OF COMMUNICATION WE'RE AGREEING.
SO SHOULD WE GET NUMBER 10, CLARIFY THAT IT'S ABOUT STAFF SHARING INFORMATION OR EVERYONE ELSE GETS IN ANY COUNCIL THAT COMES AFTER WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT I'M SORRY, IS THERE, THERE'S A RULE IN HERE? THERE IS A PROVISION IN HERE THAT ADDRESSES, OKAY.
SO WRITTEN MATERIALS OR WRITTEN RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THERE'S A, A POLICY IN PLACE FOR IF THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS INFORMATION FROM THE STAFF THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESSES.
SO THAT GETS GET SHARED WITH ALSO ONE PERSON DOESN'T HOLD IT.
AND THEN LIKE I'VE GOT SECRET INFORMATION AND I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO YOU'RE ALL OPERATING FROM THE SAME BASIS WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS, BECAUSE IT RE IT GIVES A BETTER RESULT IN YOUR DECISION-MAKING HOW, HOW THAT'S BEEN APPLAUDED.
AND I THINK ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WOULDN'T BE SHARED SUCH AS I'VE GOT IT.
THEY MIGHT SEND THAT EMAIL AND INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION IF WE DO THIS, THIS APPOINTMENT OR THIS PROCEDURE OR SOMETHING.
AND THEY'RE JUST ASKING HOW SOMETHING WORKS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT WHEN WE GET THEM THE RESPONSE TO ALL OF THE COUNCIL, OR LET'S SAY FROM THE CITIZEN, ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT THEIR WATER LINE.
I USUALLY HAVE THAT SENT OUT VIA DAR OR MIKE.
SO IF WE GET AN INQUIRY FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER, WE SEE AN EMAIL THAT HAS GONE TO ALL COUNSEL, WE SHOW IT TO ALL COUNCIL.
BUT IF THE MAYOR RECEIVES AN EMAIL FROM CITIZEN THAT SUDDENLY DIRECTLY TO OUR, WITH A PARTICULAR QUESTION, MEETING HER TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING OR HELP WITH SOMETHING, THEN IT IS ONLY RESPONDED TO THE MAYOR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INVOLVE EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WAS, BUT WE DO TRY TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS ALL THE SAME INFORMATION.
I JUST MEAN FOR THE POINT OF CLARIFYING THIS DOCUMENT UNDER GENERAL GUIDELINES IS NUMBER 10 NECESSARY SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE IT VERY CLEAR SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT STAFF IS GOING TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH US.
UM, THAT WAS ABOUT, YEAH, THAT WAS PART OF WHEN, WHEN THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
I REMEMBER WHEN THE RULES FIRST CAME IN TO PLAY THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT SPOKE TO YOU FROM ANOTHER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING LIKE, WELL, WE WERE DEALING WITH AT THE TIME AND THIS WAS A GUIDELINE, A GENERAL GUIDELINE WE PUT IN THERE, BUT RATHER THAN CHANGE IT OR ANYTHING WOULD, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST SAYING OVER HERE, IT'S LIKE, IT'D BE BETTER TO STRIKE IT AND GET RID OF IT THAN IT WOULD BE TO CHANGE IT IN ANY WAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND WAS, AND SHE'S CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE LET'S ALL SHARE INFORMATION WHEN I'M SAYING THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, THIS WAS, YEAH.
COMMUNICATE WELL WITH ONE ANOTHER, ALL INFORMATION EQUALLY THROUGH THE
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CITY MANAGER, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS AND I, THIS THERE'S A CONCEPT OF, YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU'RE A TEAM AS FAR AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION MAKING AND WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN THE MEETING AND IT'S POSTED FOR DISCUSSION, WHAT ONE PERSON KNOWS THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC ALL SHOULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALL RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.IF YOU'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT'S RELEVANT, CAN WE CHANGE IT TO WEIRD TEAM ACT LIKE IT? WOULD THAT BE LIKE, I MEAN, HONESTLY, SOMETHING ALONG LIKE, LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, WAS WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS TOGETHER AND WE WANT TO BE ON THE SAME TEAM HERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WOULD READ THAT IT'S A GOVERNANCE, LIKE A GOOD GOVERNANCE PRACTICES.
I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS JUST BECAUSE I HEARD IT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TOLD ME, SO I'M GOING TO SHARE IT WITH THE GROUP.
SO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION, WE CAN ALL MAKE THIS DECISION WITH THE SAME INFORMATION.
AND SOMETIMES I'LL SEND HER AN ARTICLE AND SAY, PLEASE SHARE WITH COUNCIL, UH, OR MAYBE WE FIND OUT ABOUT SOME NEW INITIATIVE OR SOMETHING AND I SEND, SEND IT OUT.
I WOULDN'T JUST SEND IT OUT TO HAPPEN.
THE COUNCIL IT'D BE, IT'D GO TO ALL OF Y'ALL.
SO Y'ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
AND SO WHATEVER YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT WORK FOR YOU SHOULD DO, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO CHANGE THE WORDING ON THAT OR GET RID OF IT ALTOGETHER? I'M FINE WITH YOU.
THEY'RE WANTING, I'M NOT PARTIAL TO ANYTHING, BUT I THINK THAT THE SPIRIT OF LIKE COMING TOGETHER AND NOT PLAYING, NOT BEING ON YOUR OWN TEAM, I THINK THAT WAS THE BIG THING.
I DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE IT BECAUSE IT'S 10 GIVEN.
LET'S JUST DO LET'S CHANGE THE WORDING ON IT TO SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE, SIMPLE AND UNIVERSAL THAT WOULD HAVE THAT GO TIME.
IT'S FUNG SWAY, BUT IT'S JUST WEIRD AND ON AN, A LIST.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY THAT CHERYL INFORMATION EQUALLY THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER OR SOMETHING OR IN THE PUBLIC MEETING.
COVERAGE, THE CONCERN, BUT WE GOTTA HAVE 10 OR WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE ANOTHER ONE.
DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE A WORD OR TWO OR THREE? OKAY.
THAT DARREN'S GOING TO NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU GOT, SHARE ALL INFORMATION EQUALLY WITH EACH OTHER, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER OR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THROUGH DARRA.
WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING OR, WELL, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF ALSO ABOUT IF WE CALL IT GOES TO THE CITY MANAGER THEN GOES BACK OUT TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S CAN YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL OPEN MEETINGS? ACT THERE AS WELL.
SO, SO IF WE PUT BOTH THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER OR IN THE PUBLIC MEETING, THEN WE CAN COVER COMPLIANCE.
IS THERE A MOTION? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY DARK.
AND THE CLARIFICATION IS ON THERE THAT THIS IS STARTING TONIGHT.
IF IT'S INACTIVE AND GOING FORWARD, THIS IS NOT RETROACTIVE TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER.
SO I, I, IT DOES SAY TWO YEARS, BUT RIGHT.
BUT WITH THE CLARIFICATION IS, IS THAT IF THIS IS IMPOSED, IT IS GOING TO HAVE THAT TWO YEARS IN IT.
ON THIS TONIGHT THAT TOMORROW A COMPLAINT COULDN'T BE FILED FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 18 MONTHS AGO.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE, THE PROCESS.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT WAS IN PLACE, WHICH A LOT OF IT IS JUST CLARIFICATION.
WELL, THAT'S OUR CHARTER VIOLATION IS A CHARTER VIOLATION AND OUR CURRENT, BUT THESE RULES OR PROCEDURES WOULD APPLY FOR MOVING FORWARD.
BUT IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE A CHARTER VIOLATION.
IT JUST CHANGES THE WAY WE HANDLE IT.
IT GIVES US THE, THE, THE, UH, THE MEANS TO ENFORCE.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, DO YOU GUYS WANT ONE OF US TO MAKE THE MOTION OR DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE, OKAY.
NOW I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE OUR AMENDING TO THE COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES TO INCLUDE, UH, TYPOS, UM, TO, UH, CHANGE THE WORDING AND SECTION B THREE, UH, TO ADD THAT, TO ADD THE TERM BUDGET AMENDMENTS, BE TO, TO ADD BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
AND THAT ALSO, UM, THAT WASN'T QUITE
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WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH, UH, ANY WE'RE CHANGING, UM, TO THE WORD, ANY PERSONS, RATHER THAN, UH, ANY ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT.AND ALSO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AMENDING A 10 TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
SECOND, DID THAT COVER EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT? I THINK YOU NEED THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
WE WOULD ADD, WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING TO, TO ADDRESS IT, NOT BEING RETROACTIVE.
DO YOU NEED A DATE? WHAT DO YOU WANT? THIS IS EFFECTIVE.
WE NEED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR THAT, OR JUST A SECOND AGAIN, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MAKE THE PO, UH, ORDINANCE EFFECTIVE TODAY AND, AND NOT BEING RETROACTIVE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE HARD WORK ON THAT
[26. Council Member Closing Statements.]
ITEM.26 COUNCIL MEMBER, CLOSING COMMENTS, PLACE ONE, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK PLACE TO TAX-FREE WEEKENDS, SHOP LOCAL AND SUPPORT YOUR BUSINESSES.
AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS EVERY YEAR, SO STARTING TOMORROW.
AND IF, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS GO SHOPPING FOR YOURSELF, GET YOURSELF SOMETHING NICE.
PLACE THREE, GOODNIGHT, PLAY SIX.
CAN I PLACE FIVE, HAVE A GREAT NIGHT, 10 HEAVY BACK TO SCHOOL FOR ALL THE KIDS GOING BACK TO SCHOOL, THERE'LL BE BACK IN SCHOOL BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD AND SAFE YEAR THIS YEAR.
UH, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SUPER SHOUT OUT TO MS. CRABTREE FOR KEEPING US MOVING ALONG AND KEEPING STRAIGHT, ALL OF THE THINGS IT'S LIKE HURTING KITTENS SOMETIMES.
AND YOUR HAIR'S FANTASTIC TODAY, BY THE WAY, I REALLY LIKE IT.
I'M ALSO IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP OUR MONEY LOCAL.
ALL OF OUR DINNERS BEFORE MEETINGS ARE FROM LEANDER RESTAURANTS.
SO TONIGHT WE HAD DINNER FROM SARDINES.
REMEMBER WHEN YOU ARE OUT AND ABOUT SHOP LOCAL, KEEP YOUR MONEY IN LEANDER.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN TIMES LIKE THIS, WHERE CONSUMER SPENDING IS DOWN LIKE THAT AFFECTS OUR BUSINESSES.
LASTLY, JUST TOUCHING ON WHAT PROTECH JUST SAID BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF OUR FABULOUS LEANDER PD OUT WATCHING THE SCHOOL ZONES, BUT REMEMBER, WE'VE GOT KINDER CAMPS BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHTS, ALL THE THINGS THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF KIDS THAT ARE EXCITED OR NOT TO BE BACK AT SCHOOL AND NEW FAMILIES AND KIDS IN THE STREETS AT ALL HOURS.
SO BE CAREFUL OUT THERE AND GOOD LUCK TO EVERYBODY GOING BACK TO SCHOOL THIS YEAR, ADULTS AND KIDS WITH THAT.