[1. Open Meeting.]
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GOOD EVENING TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022.
THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP WITH THE PLAN, THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO YOU SECRETARY KRAFT, COULD WE PLEASE CALL
[2. Roll Call.]
ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER, COUNCIL MEMBER[3. Discuss the meet-and-confer process.]
THREE, DISCUSS THE MEET AND CONFER PROCESS.ONCE THEY WELCOME TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS AND KICKING OFF THE CONVERSATION WILL BE CITY MANAGER, BEVERLEY, LORENZA.
IN FRONT OF ME, I'LL JUST SPEAK UP BEST.
I WANTED TO KIND OF JUST GIVE AN OUTLINE HOW PROBABLY BE THE, THE BEST ORDER FOR THIS.
UH, I THINK WHAT WE'LL START FIRST WITH THE INTRODUCTIONS OF EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME NEW FACES HERE AS WELL.
I THINK WE WOULD, UH, FIRST GIVE THE, UH, PD ASSOCIATION SOME ABOUT 10 MINUTES KIND OF JUST THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IN TERMS OF BEING CONFINED AND THEN THE STATE ASSOCIATION ON THE PD SIDE AND THEN FIRE BREAD.
DID YOU FILL UP 15, 20 MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE TO? I KNOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU AND I TALKING, I KNOW MAYBE A FIVE, 10 MINUTE BREAK.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE BETTY LYNN HERE TO MY LEFT AND THAT HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH TNL WITH A LOT OF THE CITIES.
SHE'S GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST AND IN THAT AREA.
AND I HAD HEARD A LOT OF GREAT THINGS FROM SOME OF MY PEERS, UH, NOT ACTUALLY JUST ON THE CITY MANAGEMENT SIDE, BUT ACTUALLY ON THE PD AND FIRESIDE.
AND, UH, PAIGE HAD REACHED OUT TO BETTY AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE BUDDY COMING TO SEE US A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO UNTIL WE CONNECTED, BUT I BET HE'S WORKED WITH ALSO THE LEGISLATURE WHEN SOME OF THE CURRENT CODE CAME INTO EFFECT.
SO I GUESS START WITH AN INTRODUCTION FROM THERE AND WORK THE WAY AROUND AND THEN WE'LL, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER REDUCTIONS, I THINK THAT'LL WORK.
UM, SO I AM MARRIED STAIN DELILAH.
MAYOR PRO TEM, NICOLE THOMPSON.
ADMIT SOME OF YOU, NOT ALL OF YOU, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO FOR STUDENTS.
MY RESIDENTS PARKER, BECKY ROSS, CHRIS CERNIK, BRAD MOORE, PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 42 98 COUSINS VICE-PRESIDENT LOCAL 42 98, ADAM GARDNER, MY NAME'S DAVID
WILSON VICE-PRESIDENT LANDED ON FORTUNE ASSOCIATION, BRIAN JOHNS LATER LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATION, KRISTY DAVIS, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
SO FOR THE FIRST TIME, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME DAVID MCDONALD AS ME.
I'M NOT SURE DAVID, IF Y'ALL TALKED THROUGH HOW, IF YOU WANTED THIS FIELD JUST FROM THE ASSOCIATION SIDE FIRST, IF YOU HAD ANY PREPARED STATEMENTS OR JUST GENERAL THOUGHTS, JUST GENERAL, JUST GENERAL THOUGHTS.
THE REASON WHY IT WILL BE WE CAME UP WITH THIS DISCUSSION WAS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR OUR FUTURE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY FIRE POLICE ASSOCIATIONS OF WE'RE JUST FUTURE PROOFING, RIGHT? OF, OR IN GOOD TIMES, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH EVERYBODY.
THE IDEA IS THAT AS TIME GOES, THOSE RELATIONSHIPS MAY CHANGE AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFICERS ALL HAVE A VOICE.
AND THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE LACKING THIS UNIFORM FRONT, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS UNCOMMON TO ANY OTHER AGENCY IN OUR AREA, UH, WHAT WE ARE EXPLORING.
UH, I THINK THAT THE MEET AND CONFER ASPECT OF IT RIGHT NOW WILL MEET OUR NEEDS FOR OUR CURRENT SITUATION, UH, GOING
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FULL CIVIL SERVICE.IT'S GOING TO KIND OF HINDER US A LITTLE BIT IN SOME ASPECTS OF WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIPS.
THAT'S WHY THE MEET AND CONFER THAT'S AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
UH, DID YOU WANNA, DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AND JUMP IN DAVID? I DON'T MAKE IT EASY TO DAVID'S.
UM, MAYBE MY LAST NAME IS CARLA WOODS.
SO FEEL FREE, UM, AS A MEMBER OF, OR AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL POLICE ASSOCIATION, UM, I WORK ON THE WAY ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UH, CONFER IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I DEAL WITH REGULARLY WITH ASSOCIATIONS IN CITIES, ACROSS THE STATE.
UH, IT DEFINITELY HELPS CITIES MAINTAIN A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ASSOCIATIONS AND FURTHERS THE GOALS OF THE CITY AND THE ASSOCIATION TOGETHER.
IT FOSTERS THAT RELATIONSHIP AND HELPS IT WORK.
UM, I CAN, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DROVE FROM THE, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO YESTERDAY AND WAS DOING A MEET AND CONFER PROCESS WITH TWO AGENCIES DOWN THERE.
UM, AND I'M VERY WELL VERSED IN THAT PROCESS.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT, UH, I'M ALSO A RESIDENT AND I LOVE THE WAY THAT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS GOING TOGETHER AND I REALLY HOPE TO SEE AS A FOUNDATION FOR FIREARM.
FILLING IN THE, UH, WHICH OF THAT SPACE IS POSSIBLE.
UH, BRAD, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE ALSO, ALL OF US HAVE WORKED.
DAVID CARLOS ISN'T HERE TODAY.
UM, DAVID HAD BEEN OVER THE PAST, I GUESS WE'RE REALLY NINE MONTHS WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE STEP POINTS THAT ARE INCLUDED TONIGHT.
BUT, UH, BRAD IS, UH, BEEN WORKING HARD AS WELL.
AND I THINK HE'S, I THINK WHERE Y'ALL ARE AT NOW VERSUS WHERE YOU WERE EVEN A YEAR AGO IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE THOUGHTS ARE BEING HELD TO ARTICULATE.
SO WHY DON'T YOU TO HAVE THAT FLOOR TO DO THAT? OKAY.
SO JUST GO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY BLENDER FOR THREE YEARS.
I CAME FROM A CITY THAT HAD ME TO CONFER.
UM, I WAS ON THAT MEET AND CONFER PANEL.
I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION THERE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE RETREAT, HOW THOSE PERSONALITIES ARE COMING IN.
WE CAME IN TO STRIKE AN AGREEMENT.
WE WEREN'T THERE TO FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT MADE THAT PROCESS FLUID.
UM, I'VE BEEN THE LEAD NEGOTIATOR IN THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE NEGOTIATING TEAM AND SAT ON THE SIDELINE.
IT LETS US SIT DOWN WITH WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE RICK OR CHRISTIE, WHOEVER SITTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE AND REALLY WORK OUT THOSE ISSUES.
IT'S GOOD FOR EMPLOYEE EMPLOYER RELATIONS.
UM, WE STARTED OUT WITH A YEAR TO YEAR CONTRACT AND CEDAR PARK AND IT WENT SO GOOD.
AND NOW THEY'RE UP TO A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT ONLY HAVE TO SIT DOWN HERE FOR THREE YEARS.
UM, THIS IS A PROCESS JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY ON IT.
IT'S BEEN USED WITH SUCCESS IN TEXAS SINCE THE MID 1990S, UM, SEVERAL STATES HAVE ACTUALLY ADOPTED THIS AND USE IT THEMSELVES.
UM, IT'S CLINTON COURSE COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY.
UM, SO DO YOU SEE YOUR PARK VOLUNTARILY GOT INTO IT? WE HAD A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WHEN I LEFT THERE.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY JUST SIGNED THEIR CONTRACT AND OTHER GOOD FOR THEM FOR YEARS.
UM, THE BENCHMARK CITIES, WE ACTUALLY USE GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK, CEDAR PARK, ALL THREE ARE MEETS IN FIRST CITIES.
UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF US HAVE TALKED, UM, ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIPS AND I BROUGHT THAT UP.
DAVID SAID IT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SETS THAT FOUNDATION FOR THE FUTURE AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
UM, PEOPLE COME AND GO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SET THERE FOR THEM TO GROW OFF OF UNDER 10 MINUTES.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUICK TO INVEST.
MY TEAM IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT.
UM, BEN, TONY, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, BEFORE WE GO TO THE POWERPOINT, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, AND I KNOW I'VE COME UP SAID BEFORE, HEY, I THINK WE CAN GET THERE WITHOUT A NECESSARILY FORMAL PROCESS OR A MEMORIALIZING IT AND BEING CONFER OR CIVIL SERVICE.
I DO THINK WE HAD A GREAT PROCESS HOW THIS WORKED OUT.
I DO KNOW AS THINGS COULD GET MORE FORMALIZED IN THOSE TYPE OF STATE APPROVED, UH, PROCESSES
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THAT OVER TIME THAT COULD BECOME MORE FORMAL LABOR REPRESENTATIVES POSSIBLY ON THE CITY SIDE.AND I, I THINK AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE PEGGED AROUND ROCKS, FYI 22 AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME INFORMATION THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE HAS, BUT WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT DELTA IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SALES TAX, NOT PROPERTY TAX AS MUCH WE'RE CATCHING UP, BUT ON THE SALES TAX SIDE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR ANNUAL DELTA US VERSUS ROUND ROCK, ALL FUNDS, INCLUDING FOUR B EVERYTHING.
WE ARE A MEMBER OF CAPITAL METRO.
SO WE DO HAVE ONE PENNY THAT GOES TO CAPITAL METRIC.
SO IT KIND OF WITHIN THE CONTEXT WHERE WE ARE IN GROWTH, UH, IT IS GOING TO BE SOME YEARS BEFORE OUR, OUR BUDGET MATCHES OUR POPULATION.
AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO ADD FOLKS ON THAT SIDE.
UH, I'VE WORKED IN PLACES WHERE IT WASN'T SOLO SERVICE AND I'VE ALSO WORKED IN PLACES THAT HAVE HAD IT.
AND I'VE SEEN KIND OF ALL SPECTRUMS OF, OF GOOD AND BAD.
I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL AS WE ROLL TO THIS POWERPOINT.
BETTY'S GONNA GIVE AN KIND OF AN OVERVIEW ON WHAT MEET AND CONFER IS.
UM, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WITH THE PARTIES WE HAVE HERE, WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT EVERYONE WANTS A GUARANTEE AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO A PIECE THAT COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER.
WHAT CAN WE GUARANTEE GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CYCLE, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW? UH, THE STEP PLAN WILL PROVIDE A YEAR'S IN VERSUS RANK.
SO YOU'VE GOT INCREASES JUST WITH THAT.
I DO THINK THAT JUST FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE HAVE SEEN SOME DECLINE IN THE PERMITTING SIDE, TO BE HONEST, MY COUNTERPARTS AND THE OTHER CITIES, NONE OF WHICH NONE OF WHICH ARE MEMBERS OF CABINETRY, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE WE DID LOOK AT OUR NEAR PEERS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IF WE DRAW THAT PARABOLA Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT, IF SOMEONE WERE TO GO TO ANOTHER AGENCY WITHOUT HAVING A MOVE, IT WOULD LIKELY BE ROUND ROCK GEORGETOWN OR CEDAR PARK.
SO JUST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND YES, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH.
THERE'S SOME, SOME THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD ECONOMY THAT, THAT ARE UNCERTAINTIES, BUT WE WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO MAKE Y'ALL AS WHOLE AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRYING TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT THE HR TEAM HAS TRIED TO DO AS WELL.
UM, I'M GONNA HAND THE FLOOR OVER TO BETTY AND LET HER KIND OF JUST GIVE THE BIG PICTURE OVERVIEW.
AND THEN WE COULD, SINCE WE'VE GOT TIME, WE COULD THEN GO INTO Q AND A AND SOME OTHER DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS ONE TO GET EVERYTHING OUT ON THE TOP, OFF THEIR CHEST OR OUT OF THE TABLE THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER ELSE WE CAN DO.
AND THE OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS THAT CHRISTIE'S GROUP HR IS WORKING ON RECOMMENDED POLICY CHANGES THAT ARE COMING BACK ON 15TH, OH, OCTOBER, OCTOBER.
SO THAT'LL BE ACROSS THE BOARD POLICE AND FIRE AND GENERAL, UH, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ALSO INCLUDE WHAT Y'ALL BOTH GROUPS HAVE, HAVE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.
AND SOME JUST GENERAL THINGS LIKE SICK POLL AND ALL THOSE THINGS FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT.
AND ALTHOUGH THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO HANDS-OFF BETTY IS LET US ALSO NOT FORGET IN THE BIG PICTURE GOING THROUGH THIS BUDGET.
WE DID NOT ALSO WANT TO LEAVE OUT THE CIVILIANS, A TOTAL NUMBER OF FTES.
WE'VE GOT 85,000 PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GEORGETOWN'S GOT 85,000 PEOPLE, ROUGHLY ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS.
WE HAVE HALF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ROUGHLY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET NOW AS MANY PEOPLE, BUT WE LOVE YOU ALL.
AND WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN BETTE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
I WAS ASKED TO DO MANY THINGS, BUT ONE THAT I THOUGHT THE CITY I MOST IMPORTANT WAS TO DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE MEET AND CONFER STATUTE.
SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE INTEREST OF THE EMPLOYEE GROUPS IS.
AND ALSO IT WAS DESIGNED ALSO TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF MEET AND CONFER WHAT IT IS, AND ALSO WHAT IT ISN'T.
AND THEN I THINK I CAN BE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG, PARTICULARLY A COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONS.
CAUSE THEY'RE THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM BY THE WAY, BECAUSE NOBODY ALREADY KNEW THAT.
SO, UH, WHO'S RUNNING THE MACHINE.
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MIKE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN THERE WHEN DARREN PAIGE AND I WERE, WHEN IT FIRST GOT SENT OVER WELL, LET'S JUST FIRE YOUR PASSWORD.YOU SHOULD BE IN THE INTERNET.
I MEAN, YOU CAN GET INTO THAT IN THE AGREEMENT.
WE DON'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, BUT THAT'S YOUR MARITIME.
SHOULD WE HAVE REGULAR COUGHING RIGHT NOW? LET'S JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THE TIME IS 5 47.
PLEASE BE BACK IN YOUR SEATS AT 5 53.
SORRY FOR THE LITTLE GLITCH THERE.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE SLIDES AND HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS ANY PARTICULARLY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND THE TWO COST ASSOCIATIONS, BUT PARTICULARLY FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT KINDS OF, WHAT YOU REALLY HEARD ABOUT CONFER.
AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD ANYTHING, BUT YOU MAY ALREADY BE A SCHOLAR.
SO I WON'T BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND SO I THOUGHT THE FIRST PLACE WE WOULD START IS THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT MEET AND CONFER CAN COME INTO A CITY.
AND THE USUAL METHOD IS FOR THE CITY TO RECEIVE A PETITION AS IT'S, YOU ALL HAVE THIS SOMEWHERE BEHIND YOU IN FRONT OF THEM.
SO, SO IF YOU ALL WANT TO FLIP YOUR CHAIRS AROUND, WE'LL WAIT FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
OTHERWISE YOU'LL HAVE A SORE NECK IN THE MORNING.
SO IF YOUR BUDDIES FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED, RIGHT? SO THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EITHER, OR BOTH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS DECIDED THAT THEY, THEY HAD DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE CITY TO, UH, PROCEED WITH A MEET AND CONFER SITUATION THAT, UH, EITHER OR BOTH OF THEM WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A PETITION SIGNED BY MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT, THE EMPLOYEES IN THE DEPARTMENT, NOT COUNTING TO ACHIEVE IN ANY EXEMPT EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GENERALLY YOUR CLERICALS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANY CLERICALS YOU MIGHT HAVE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE NOT FIREFIGHTERS.
AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, WHAT YOU WOULD BE ASKING IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, RECOGNIZE YOUR ASSOCIATION EITHER OR BOTH, UH, AS THE EXCLUSIVE BARGAINING AGENT FOR EACH OF YOUR GROUPS ONE OR BOTH OF YOUR GROUPS.
AND SO LET'S TURN TO THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT THIS IS FOR NOW FOR THE COUNCIL.
WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE TO DO IF YOU ALL CAN TURN THAT TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? OKAY.
SO HERE, THIS IS FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT ALSO FOR THE MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES, UH, THERE'S THREE THINGS.
ONE WOULD BE FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE A FORMAL ACTION, UH, WITH AN ORDER AND ORDER THAT A CERTAIN CERTIFICATION ELECTION BE HELD AMONG THE EMPLOYEES, LET'S SAY IN THE FIREFIGHTERS OR IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ASSOCIATION REPRESENTS A MAJORITY OF THE FIREFIGHTERS OR THE POLICE OFFICERS, UH, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR GROUP.
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SO THAT WOULD BE AN INTERNAL TYPE OF VOTE SECRET BALLOT VOTE.THE CITY COULD ALSO FORGO THAT FIRST STEP AND IT COULD, UH, GO AHEAD AND VOTE IN A REGULAR MEETING TO GRANT THE, EXCUSE ME, I ALREADY AM.
I FIRED, SORRY, UH, TO GRANT RECOGNITION TO THE ONE OR BOTH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS AND DETERMINE, UH, THROUGH THE COUNCIL VOTE THAT THE CITY MAY MEET AND CONFER WITHOUT HAVING THE ELECTION THAT'S IN NUMBER ONE OR THE THIRD THING THAT A CITY CAN DO.
AND I'VE SEEN THIS DONE IN A FEW CITIES ACROSS THE STATE, NOT AS MANY AS NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO THEN IS TO ORDER NO ELECTION BY THE PSEUDOSCIENCE AND LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE, DO WE WANT TO HAVE MEET AND CONFER IN OUR CITY? AND I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
AND THAT'S MY HOMETOWN IS FORT WORTH.
AND WHEN THIS CAME UP BACK ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTER MEETING CONFER WAS, UH, INACTIVE, THEY ACTUALLY HAD A REFERENDUM AT CITY OF FORT WE'RE IN THE CITY OF FORT WORTH AMONG ALL THE REGULAR CITIZEN VOTERS LIKE MYSELF.
AND THIS WAS A POLICE, UM, PROPOSITION TO RECOGNIZE FOR MEET AND CONFER AND NOT SURPRISING IT PASSED.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, AMONG THE ONE, TWO AND THREE IS THAT IF IT PASSES ON THE THIRD, WHICH IS THE CITIZEN ELECTION, THEN IN ORDER FOR A CITY NOT TO HAVE MEET AND CONFER, IF FOR SOME REASON THE POWERS THAT BE, WHICH WOULD USUALLY BE YOUR COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO ORDER AN ELECTION BY THE CITIZENS TO GET RID OF MEET AND CONFER.
AND IT HAS TO BE, UH, IT HAS TO BE PASSED BY A MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS AND BECAUSE IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN FORT WORTH.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL NOT HAPPEN IN MY LIFETIME THAT'S FOR CERTAIN, IT MIGHT MAYBE SOMEWHERE OUT THERE THAT I CAN'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF, AND IT'S NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE EVER HAPPENED THAT, UH, CITIZENS HAVE UNDONE WHAT THE CITIZENS DID.
UM, AND THERE ARE VERY MANY ON THE OTHER TWO, WHICH CAN BE TAKEN AWAY.
AND I USE THAT KIND OF IN QUOTES, UH, BY, UH, BY A VOTE OF A CITY COUNCIL.
I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN THAT ANY CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN ASKED TO DUMP MEET AND CONFER.
UH, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER PROCESS BECAUSE IT TAKES ONLY, I THINK, LONG 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 VOTE, SEVEN VOTES, AND, UH, TAKES ONLY HALF OF FOUR OF SEVEN VOTES TO, TO UNDO IT.
AND IF YOU ALL DECIDE ON THIS SIDE OVER HERE, THAT JUST, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH, UH, THEN THAT'S HOW YOU GET IT STARTED.
AND YOU GO ON OVER HERE ON THE COUNCIL, UH, OR SEEING WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL INITIAL WORK ON THIS IS GOING TO BE IS DETERMINING, ARE YOU, ARE YOU HAPPY? AND ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE THIS AND GRANT THIS, AND IS THAT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS AS A WHOLE? SO THOSE ARE POLICY DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL MAKE.
AND ON THIS SIDE, THOSE WHO ARE IN THE POSITIONS, IN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS, YOU ALL HAVE TO DECIDE IS THIS BEST FOR YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND YOUR DEPARTMENT? AND, AND I HAVE NO SAY IN WHETHER IT IS OR NOT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T SO GOOD ABOUT IT.
AND FOR RIGHT NOW, I KEEP THAT TO MYSELF BECAUSE I'M NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE OR NOT ADVOCATE FOR EITHER SIDE.
I WAS ASKED TO COME TO BE AN INFORMATION GIVER TO EVERYONE.
SO LET'S GO TO, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND I PROMISE I'M GOING TO SKIP SOME.
SO ANYWAY, AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, ONCE THIS IS FOR THE COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY ONCE A PETITION IS RECEIVED, IF THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE, THE COUNCIL DECIDES, ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA HAVE THAT ELECTION, WHICH I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT, UH, OUR THAT'S THE CITIZEN ELECTION AT THE BOTTOM, THEY CAN, THE COUNCIL COULD DECIDE TO GRANT RECOGNITION TO ONE OR BOTH OF THE EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATIONS HERE, IF EITHER ARE BOTH REQUESTED IT, OR THIRDLY, THIS IS A, A MIDDLE GROUND, AND I'VE SEEN THIS DONE A LOT.
AND THAT IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO ORDER, LET'S SAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIREFIGHTERS DECIDE TO SUBMIT A PETITION AND, AND, AND MAYBE THE POLICE DO TOO.
THEN WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS DONE IN OTHER PLACES MORE THAN ONCE QUITE A FEW TIMES IS TO ORDER, UH, AN ELECTION AMONG THE EMPLOYEES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT A MAJORITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE IN THIS, UM, GROUP FOR, UH, FOR MEETING CONFIRMING THAT THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT FAVORITE.
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WHERE THE COUNCIL WOULD ORDER THE FIRE FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION TO HAVE AN ELECTION SECRET BALLOT, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN YOUR GROUP IS ON BOARD, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS AS A REPRESENTATIVE AND THEN THE MEET AND CONFER PROCESS.AND THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOU ALL.
I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THAT.
THE SAME WOULD HAPPEN IF THE POLICE WERE, UH, THEY SUBMITTED A PETITION, THE CITY COULD PUMP THAT BACK TO THE POLICE ASSOCIATION TO TAKE THAT SAME TYPE OF A BALLOT INTERNALLY.
THE CITY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOTES WERE OTHER THAN WHAT'S THE TOTAL SWORE, BUT IT'S ALL SECRET AS TO HOW EACH PERSON VOTED.
LET'S PLEASE TURN TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION ABOUT IT.
UH, SO ON THAT ASSOCIATION ELECTION JUST QUICKLY, YOU CAN EITHER AGREE WITH THE CITY AND THE ASSOCIATION ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE RUN, OR IF YOU CAN'T, I'VE NEVER SEEN TWO GROUPS, THE, A CITY GROUP AND THE EMPLOYEE GROUP THAT COULDN'T.
SO LET'S JUST NOT EVEN DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CAN'T AGREE ON THESE, UH, PROCEDURAL THINGS.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THAT, BUT THERE IS A WAY TO SOLVE THAT IF IT SHOULD BECOME A PROBLEM.
UM, KIM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT ADVOCATE FOR, OR AGAINST, OR THOSE ASSOCIATION ADVOCATE FOR, AGAINST US, IF IT, IF IT IS AN ELECTION THAT'S TURNED OVER TO THE STATE.
THE ELECTION'S NOT ACTUALLY TURNED OVER TO THE CITY THOUGH.
ELECTION, UH, CAN BE THE, SAY THE CITY SECRETARY COULD ASSIST, LET'S SAY THE SECRETARY, USUALLY THE SECRETARY TREASURER OF ONE OF THE, OF EACH ASSOCIATION.
UM, BUT THE, THE CITY'S NOT REALLY INVOLVED OTHER THAN TO, UH, I GUESS, I MEAN THE CITIZENS, IF IT'S, IT TURNS, IF IT, IF IT IS A MAY ELECTION AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO, THIS IS AN INTERNAL ELECTION.
THIS IS AN INTERNAL ELECTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IN TERMS OF JUST THE POLICE STARTING TO FIRE.
MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.
THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO A MAYOR ELECTION.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT OPTION NUMBER THREE.
GO BACK THEN ON OPTION IN THE CITY OR THE PD ASSOCIATIONS, CAN ANYONE ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST? WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE CAP METRO THING WITH SPECIFIC.
SO DURING THE LIFETIME, DURING A PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE ELECTION IS BEFORE THE VOTE IS TAKEN, UH, I THINK THAT BOTH OF THE POLICE AND THE FIRE ASSOCIATIONS IN THE MEMBERSHIP HAVE THEY HAVE A RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH AND THAT WOULD COME UNDER THAT.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU AS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH AND I'LL JUST PUT EVERYTHING OUT ON THE TABLE.
IT'S NOT A BIG SECRET, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND IN SOME PLACES, NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHIC AREA, THE COUNCILS HAVE BEEN, UH, UNITED IN THEIR DISPLEASURE WITH MEET AND CONFER.
THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T SURPRISE ANYONE HERE AT THE TABLE.
AND THEY HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN OUT AND DONE THEIR OWN CAMPAIGNING, UH, UH, UH, PLANNED CAMPAIGNING, AND GOING TO CIVIC GROUPS AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEMS COULD ARISE FROM MEET AND CONFER AND, AND TOWED THE MEMBERSHIP.
SOME HAVE GONE TO THEIR CHURCHES OR, AND PROBABLY AFTER CHURCH AFTER EVERYBODY'S SHAKING HANDS AND GETTING READY TO GO HOME FOR LUNCH, UH, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED TO PARISHIONERS OF THEIRS OR PEOPLE THEY KNOW FROM CHURCH TO URGE THEM TO, TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
SO IT'S A RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH ON, ON EVERYBODY'S PART, NO MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE WANTING THIS, OR YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER, OR EVEN A CITIZENS GROUP COULD, COULD, UH, TAKE UP THAT BANDWAGON AS ALSO, AND GET OUT THE VOTE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE SHOWING THAT, THAT THE, WHAT THEY FEEL IS THE NOT GOOD SIDE.
IT GOES, EVERYONE KIND OF LOOKS AT THIS A BIT DIFFERENTLY FROM TIME TO TIME QUESTION HERE.
AND OF COURSE, BETTY, WE HAD THE, THE, UH, ELECTION FOR CAP METRO.
AND, BUT US AS STAFF, ONCE THAT ELECTION IS CALLED, WE, WE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ON THAT.
THE ONLY THING WE CAN SAY IS THERE'S THE BALLOT.
AND THAT'S IT, UH, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S THE SAME, THE SAME RULES THAT APPLIED DURING THE CAP METRO AND CHARTER ELECTIONS.
AND SO SALES TAX SELECTION WOULD APPLY TO ANY PROPOSITION ELECTION, WHICH IS YOU CAN'T USE PUBLIC FUNDS TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE POSITION OR ANOTHER IT'S.
IF YOU WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE POSITION OR ANOTHER ON A PROPOSITION, IT'S ON YOUR OWN TIME, ON YOUR OWN DIME, YOU SAID PUBLIC FUNDS COULD NOT BE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH.
WE CAN'T SPEND ANY CITY MONEY ON THIS AT ALL.
IT'S UH, IF ANY OF THAT, UH, ELECTIONEERING, UH, THAT'S ON THE TASK SIDE, WHICH WOULDN'T NECESSARILY
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BE THE COUNCIL, BUT MAYBE, UH, DIFFERENT GROUPS IN TOWN THAT MIGHT THINK IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA THAT ANY KIND OF FUNDS THAT ARE NECESSARY, THAT YOU HAVE TO SUPPLY THOSE FUNDS.SO IT'S A, IT'S AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD FROM, FROM THAT RESPECT.
AND I'M GOING TO, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SKIP THAT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY AFTER THE ASSOCIATIONS KEEP GOING THERE.
SO WE HAD THE ELECTION TO AUTHORIZE IT, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO IF YOU MOVE UP ANOTHER ONE, WON'T GET THEIR CITIZENS VOTING.
SO IF THE CITIZENS ARE VOTING ON THIS, JUST, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THIS, BUT LET'S JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR THAT MEET AND CONFER OCCURS ONLY IF A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES FAVOR, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE, AS CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY AND THE STATE GET TO VOTE ON PROPOSITIONS OF DIFFERENT KINDS.
UH, IT'S A MAJORITY OF VOTES, UH, OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE.
IT'S NOT PEOPLE THAT SIT AT HOME AND DON'T VOTE.
AND SO, UM, THE THING THAT I HAVE, UM, SEEN ONLY ONCE IS WHERE THE MEET AND CONFER WAS DEFEATED, UH, IN A CITIZEN VOTE.
AND, UH, THERE WAS WHAT THEY CALL A PETITION BAR OR ELECTION BAR.
THAT MEANS THAT IF THE PARTICULAR ASSOCIATION DOESN'T GET THE MAJORITY, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO THE SECOND ANNIVERSARY OF THE DATE OF THE ELECTIONS.
SO THERE'S KIND OF A COOLING WHAT I'D CALL A COOLING OFF PERIOD.
NOT THAT ANYONE'S HARD OR MAD, IT'S JUST, THAT'S THE WAY THEY WROTE THE STATUTE.
SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SURPRISE ANYONE, BUT IT MIGHT BECAUSE IT MIGHT SURPRISE YOU.
THIS IS EVEN IN THE STATUTE, BUT, UH, IT'S CLEAR IN THE STATUTE THAT THE CITY AND THE ASSOCIATION MAY MEET AND CONFER ONLY IF THE ASSOCIATION DOES NOT ADVOCATE ILLEGAL STRIKE.
SO I STARTED THINKING BACK ABOUT THAT AND I'M THINKING I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TEXAS.
THEN I WENT AWAY TO YANKEE LAND FOR A WHILE.
AND THEN I CAME BACK AS ALL TEXANS DO.
AND I'D NEVER SEEN WHERE I WAS AROUND, UH, ANY KIND OF ILLEGAL STRIKE BY POLICE OR FIRE.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE NONE OF YOU HAVE EITHER YOU'D BE APPALLED, UM, IMAGINE, WELL, I LIVED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN CHICAGO AND I HAPPENED TO LIVE THERE WHEN THE, WHEN THE CHICAGO FIREFIGHTERS WENT OUT ON THEIR INFAMOUS STRIKE IN 1985.
AND, UH, I DIDN'T, I LIVED IN THE SUBURBS, SO I HAD MY FIRE DEPARTMENT STILL INTACT, BUT IT WAS A CATASTROPHE FOR THE CITY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE BAD AND SO FORTH.
SO I I'M GLAD WE HAVE THAT, EVEN THOUGH I AM CERTAIN THAT NO ONE IN THIS ROOM, WHATEVER, GO ON STRIKE.
AND THE STRIKES ARE PROHIBITED.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T EVEN FORESEE HAPPENING.
I KNOW THAT IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN TEXAS.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, SO, SO AS THE CITY CHOOSES TO, UH, ENGAGE IN, MEET AND CONFER WITH ONE OR BOTH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS, UH, IT MAY RECOGNIZE THE ASSOCIATION AS WHAT'S CALLED THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE BARGAINING AGENT.
I KNOW THE WORDS WE NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM THE TMPA.
SO I'M FIGURING THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR EXCLUSIVE RECOGNITION AND THE POLICE IS YOUR OWN ASSOCIATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AFFILIATED WITH A STATE GROUP OR, OR NOT.
SO OF THE FIREFIGHTERS AND I WON'T ASK, BUT I IMAGINE I KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT IS, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE.
AND, UH, AND SO THE CITY IS OBLIGATED.
OF COURSE, THE RECOGNIZE THAT WHOEVER YOU ARE, WHOMEVER, YOU ALL CHOOSE TO GO TO GET MY GRAMMAR, RIGHT? WHOMEVER YOU CHOOSE TO BE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE OR, OR SUPPLIERS.
SO YOU, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT THIS, BUT I WILL YOUR PERSON THAT IS YOUR CHIEF SPOKESPERSON.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THEY CALL THAT PERSON.
AND SO, SO WE DON'T GET THE CHOICE.
UH, I DID SEE NEARLY FISTICUFFS IN SOME POLICE NEGOTIATIONS ABOUT MEET AND CONFER IN A CITY, NOT NEAR HERE.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT WAS, UH, INTERESTING AT BEST FOR THE, FOR THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS IN THE CITIES, PEOPLE TO SEE THEM NEARLY GOING TOE TO TOE THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE THEIR EXCLUSIVE BARGAINING REPRESENTATIVE FOR MEET AND CONFER THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE.
UM, I BELIEVE TWO ELECTIONS, THOSE INTERNAL ONES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
SO, SO THE RECOGNITION, UH, LASTS UNTIL IT'S WITHDRAWN OR SOMEHOW THE MIGHT BE ANOTHER FACTION DEVELOPS.
AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING.
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DEVELOPED, IF THERE WAS SOME HARD FEELINGS DEVELOPED IN SOME RIVALRY OR SOMETHING, UH, IF THE OTHER GROUP WERE TO THINK THAT IT HAD MORE PEOPLE IN IT, THEN THEY COULD GO TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR A NEW ELECTION, BUT WERE NOT THERE AT ALL.LET'S LOOK AND SEE THE NEXT LIE.
AND THIS IS, THEY CALL THIS THE BARGAINING UNIT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT STARTED WITH COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, WHICH I HAVE ALWAYS CALLED COLLECTIVE BEGGING.
AND Y'ALL, AREN'T GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
SO WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THE BEGGING PART, BUT WHO'S IN THE BARGAINING UNIT.
WHO'S COVERED IN DEPARTMENT BY THIS MEET AND CONFER PROCESS.
AND ASSUMING THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, A WRITTEN AGREEMENT REACH, UH, FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS, UM, IT'S EVERYONE EXCEPT THE CHIEF AND ANYONE ELSE THAT THAT MAY BE EXEMPT.
AND OF COURSE, ANY CIVILIANS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS ALSO FOR POLICE, ALSO YOUR CHIEF AND ANYONE WHO'S EXEMPT, AND THEN ALL THE CIVILIANS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, NONE OF THOSE ARE PERSONS, UH, OR, OR TITLES WOULD BE COVERED BY THE MEET AND CONFER.
UH, LET'S TURN TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION, I'M GLAD TO ANSWER IT FOR YOU.
YOU CAN ALSO HAVE OTHER EXEMPT EMPLOYEES.
I'VE SEEN THIS IN SOME DEPARTMENTS.
USUALLY IT'S BE LIKE, UH, THE FIRST DEPUTY CHIEF TO THE FIRE CHIEF OR THE FIRST DEPUTY OR ASSISTANT CHIEF TO THE POLICE CHIEF, THE ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY CAN AGREE TO EXEMPT THAT PERSON FROM COVERAGE.
SO THAT THAT PERSON REMAINS A MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEE, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE THAT'S OUT OF STRADDLE, BOTH ROLES.
SO WHO PICKS Y'ALL'S BARGAIN, WE'LL CALL THEM BARGAINING AGENTS, BUT THOSE ARE YOUR CHIEF SPOKESPERSON.
SO LIKE WE HAVE THE GENTLEMAN HERE AND I'M NOT PRESUMING THAT YOU WOULD BE THE CHIEF SPOKESPERSON, BUT I HEARD YOU SAY, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE HELD THAT ROLE IN SOME PLACES, OR DID I MISS HEAR YOU IN OTHER AREAS ACROSS THE STATE? RIGHT.
AT THE TIME I, I ASSIST THE LOCAL ASSOCIATIONS, THEY RUN THEIR THEY'LL RUN, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE THE GO-TO GUY OR THE CHIEF SPOKESPERSON.
ANYWAY, WE'D HAVE ONE IN THE ROOM.
SO WE WERE GOING TO PICK UP TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND THE CITY MANAGER SELECTS THE CITY'S MEET AND CONFER TEAM.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THAT AS THE CITY'S, UH, SOLE EXCLUSIVE AGENT FOR MEETING AND CONFERRING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, EACH ASSOCIATION CAN, CAN PICK WHO THEY WANT TO BE THEIR SPOKESPERSON.
AND USUALLY IT'S A TEAM OR A COMMITTEE.
I KNOW WE WORKED TOGETHER ON THIS, THROUGH THIS PROCESS TOGETHER, UNLESS YOU BET BECKY BETTY'S RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE 85,000 TOWARDS A HUNDRED IN MOST, MOST SCENARIOS AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT THE CITY MANAGER THEMSELVES THAT ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE AVAILABLE FOR CONSULTATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT AT THE TABLE.
THEY'RE TOO BUSY DOING IMPORTANT STUFF.
NOT THAT THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT, BUT THEY GOT, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS BALANCING THE BUDGET, RIGHT.
DEALING WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF MADE TIME FOR HIM THIS YEAR.
UH, I'M GOING TO SKIP THE NEXT SLIDE IS CALLED GENERAL PROVISIONS.
NOW THAT'S THAT ONE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT POINTS I HAD IN THIS POWERPOINT ABOUT THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT OR THE SIGNED AGREEMENT THAT THE, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, RUDE PEER WOULD HAVE WITH THE CITY.
IT'S A CONTRACT JUST LIKE CONTRACTS AS CITY ENTERS WITH OUTSIDE VENDORS AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
THIS IS PART OF THE STATUTE THAT THE CITY MAY NOT BE DENIED, LOCAL CONTROL OVER WAGES, SALARIES, PAY HOURS OF WORK AND OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CITY AND THE ASSOCIATION AGREE IF IT'S RATIFIED AND NOT WITHDRAWN.
BUT YOU NOTICE THAT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THE CITY HAS TO AGREE ON ANY PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THIS IN DETAIL, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION AND THE BARGAINING, SO TO SPEAK, OCCURS TO TRY TO FIND SOME MIDDLE GROUND WHERE BOTH SIDES CAN THINK THIS HELPS THE CITY JUST HELPS THE EMPLOYEES.
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THAT.AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS OF GETTING TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT LOOKING AT THE NEXT SLIDE.
OH, I WANTED TO MAKE NOTE THAT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IT SEEMS IN AN AGREEMENT WOULD BE FOR THE PARTIES TO REACH AGREEMENT, UH, ON A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE.
UH, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE YET TO READ THROUGH YOUR GENERAL EMPLOYEE OF WHICH YOU ALL ARE PART OF IN YOUR EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK.
I BELIEVE ALREADY HAS A GRIEVANCE PROCESS AND WAYS TO BRING YOUR GRIEVANCES UP.
BUT SOMETIMES THE EMPLOYEE ASSOCIATIONS WILL ASK TO HAVE THEIR OWN GRIEVANCE PROCESS IN THEIR AGREEMENT, IN THEIR WRITTEN AGREEMENT.
AND SO THEY FORGO THE ONE IN THE CITY HANDBOOK.
OTHERS HAVE BEEN FUN WITH THE ONE IN A PARTICULAR CITY'S HANDBOOK.
UH, BUT WHAT, WHAT THIS USUALLY HAS IN A GRIEVANCE PROCEDURE IS A PROCEDURE.
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE WHAT'S CALLED BINDING ARBITRATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE SOMEONE I'LL JUST CALL THEM THE JUDGE.
JUDGE IS GOING TO HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.
AND IF IT'S BINDING, THAT MEANS BOTH SIDES ARE BOUND BY IT, NO MATTER WHAT THE DECISION MIGHT BE.
SO THIS DECISION IS MADE DURING THE BARGAINING AS TO WHAT KIND OF PROCESS THAT THE PARTIES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO RESOLVE THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT HOPEFULLY NEVER ARISE.
BUT IF THEY DO, YOU HAVE A PROCESS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, AND LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, BUT IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THIS HAS TO BE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT AND IT HAS TO BE RATIFIED BY THE COUNCIL, AFTER BOTH PARTIES HAVE RATIFIED IT AND AGREED TO IT, BECAUSE IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE IT, IT'S NOT A CONTRACT.
AND SO THAT PUTS A LOT OF AUTHORITY IN YOUR HANDS.
UH, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TIME FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO READ THE AGREEMENT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT IF THEY HAVE THAT.
AND, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BEING IN WRITING? IT SEEMS LIKE IT SOUNDS PRETTY SIMPLE, SIMPLE.
HOW ARE YOU DOING THE LAST ONE? SO I KNOW THAT FEELING, BUT I CAN'T SEE WHEN I GET UP THERE.
SO LET'S TURN THE PAGE, PLEASE.
WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG THIS ONE.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HAPPY TO SEE THE MEETING COME FIRST, THAT SHE DOES NOT REQUIRE THE CITY.
AND THIS IS THE CITY COUNCIL, NOR YOUR GROUPS, GROUP WORK GROUPS, TO RE, TO REACH AGREEMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S PROPOSED AT THE TIME.
IT MIGHT BE THAT IT'S JUST SUCH AN, THIS IS TOO BIG OF A WORD, A NET SMA TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE THE CITY GETS TO BUY PROPOSALS.
ALSO, I FORGOT TO TELL YOU, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET, BUT, UH, WE CAN OWN EACH THAT CAN ALWAYS SAY NO, NOT.
THEN I ALWAYS USED TO SAY IT'S OVER MY DEAD BODY.
AND USUALLY THAT GOT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION GOES, I'M STILL ALIVE, BUT ANYWAY, UH, NO MANDATORY AGREEMENT ON ANYTHING THAT THE PARTIES DON'T AGREE TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY, OR EVEN WITH SOME CHANGES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATING IS ABOUT IS, IS COMING TO A CONSENSUS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? EVERYBODY, WE KIND OF AGREE TO THAT AT THE BEGINNING ON BOTH SIDES.
IF THIS HAPPENS, THIS IS ALL, IF IT COMES TO FRUITION IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL, OR IT WON'T, I'M JUST TELLING YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT.
AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER PART IT'S IMPORTANT ON THE NEXT FLOOD.
IS IT ANYTHING ELSE THAT CONFLICTS WITH WHAT THE PARTIES HAVE AGREED TO FOR CONTRACT? IF SOMETHING ELSE CONFLICTS, THEN IT'S PREEMPTED BY THE CONTRACT OR THE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY AND THE ASSOCIATION HAS COME TO.
AND THAT COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A POLICY IN THE CITY PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL, WHICH I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE, AND I THINK IT'S UPDATED FROM TIME TO TIME, IT CANNOT, IF IT CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU'VE AGREED TO IN YOUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY IT'S ASSOCIATIONS, THEN THAT, THAT SUPERSEDES WHAT'S IN THE CITY'S HANDBOOK ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT'VE LIKED WHAT WAS IN THERE, BUT ONCE YOU'RE KIND OF CARVED OUT WITH YOUR MEMBERSHIP IN ONE OF THE TWO ASSOCIATIONS, YOU'RE THEN BOUND BY THAT.
AND NOT BY WHAT'S IN THE CITY HANDBOOK, UNLESS IT'S COMPLIMENTARY.
IF IT'S NOT CONTRADICTORY, THEN IT WOULD APPLY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT YOUR EXISTING BENEFITS.
I HEAR Y'ALL HAVE SOME GREAT BENEFITS HERE.
IS THAT RIGHT? WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHAKE YOUR HEAD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, JUST MOVE YOUR EYES AND I CAN TELL, I CAN SEE THE FELLOW THERE.
SO I THINK HE SAID THAT WAS A POSITIVE.
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SO THE MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT, LET'S SAY THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL, THAT EITHER ARE BOTH OF YOU OR YOUR ASSOCIATIONS GET A, UM, AN AGREEMENT AND IT'S RATIFIED BY YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND THE CITY COUNCIL.ONE OF THE THINGS, UNLESS IT'S IN THE, IN THAT CONTRACT, THIS, UH, THE MEETING CONFERRED DOESN'T REPEAL, ANY EXISTING BENEFITS YOU HAVE, UH, I TOOK I'LL LOOK AT YOUR LIST OF BENEFITS AND YOU DO HAVE SOME NICE BENEFITS AND, AND I'LL SAY GENEROUS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT IF YOU DO.
UH, BUT IT DOESN'T REPEAL ANY OF THE BENEFITS YOU HAVE THAT ARE PROVIDED EITHER BY STATUTE OR ORDINANCE.
AND AS YOU ALL, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME LEGAL BEAGLES IN YOUR DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT? DOES ANYONE WANT TO ADMIT TO BEING AN ILLEGAL BEAGLE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY THAT? I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT I'M NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT.
AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHO I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE HERE TO BE THE LEGAL BEAGLE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THE LAW AND ESPECIALLY THE CIVIL SERVICE LAW AND OTHER LAWS THAT APPLY TO POLICE AND FIRE OR WHICHEVER DEPARTMENT YOU'RE IN.
SO THOSE THINGS LAST, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE IF THE TWO PARTIES AGREED THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE COVERED BY IT ANYMORE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AGREE TO FOREGO SOMETHING, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU CAN SUPERSEDE A STATE LAW THAT RELATES TO BENEFITS ANY TIME YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE GENEROUS, OR IF WE WERE ON HARD TIMES, WE MIGHT MAKE IT LESS GENEROUS OR SOMETHING.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ON HARD TIMES FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, BUT WE DID HAVE SOME PERIODS OF THAT TIME, UH, BACK IN EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WHEN A LOT OF WAGES FOR FROZEN FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE OF DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY, MOST OF YOU ALL LOOK TOO YOUNG, EVEN I BELIEVE THROUGH THAT.
SO I JUST ASK YOUR PARENTS OR SOMEONE, YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE IMPORTANT ONE WOULD BE YOUR RETIREMENT PLANS AND YOUR PENSIONS.
UH, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS THE PARTIES AGREED TO CHANGE IT.
AND, AND THE COUNCIL AGREED IN YOUR RESPECTIVE MEMBERSHIPS AGREE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
NOW THIS IS MORE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS ABOUT ENFORCEABILITY OF THE AGREEMENT AND RATIFICATION.
LET'S SAY THAT THIS COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED, UH, MEET AND CONFER AND, AND I DON'T KNOW A SECRET, WHETHER THEY ARE ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER THEY MAY OR MAY NOT.
SO DON'T TAKE IT BECAUSE I MENTIONED THAT IT'S ASSUMING THAT IT DOES.
IT'S JUST, I WANT TO TALK IN ASSUMPTIONS.
THAT AGREEMENT IS ENFORCEABLE AND BINDING ON BOTH THE CITY, THE COUNCIL HERE, AND THE EMPLOYEES, THE ASSOCIATIONS ONLY IF THE COUNCIL RATIFIES IT BY A MAJORITY VOTE.
SO I'M LOOKING UP HERE AND I'M SEEING 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
SO LET'S DO A LITTLE ELEMENTARY MATH.
HOW MANY VOTES WOULD IT TAKE ON THE COUNCIL TO RATIFY THE CONTRACT FOR RIGHT NOW? I CAN'T IMAGINE.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A VOTE THAT WAS FOUR TO THREE ON A COUNCIL, BUT I SUPPOSE IT COULD HAPPEN.
WHAT ABOUT IN YOUR, YOUR TWO RESPECTIVE MEMBERSHIPS, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE AN, YOU MIGHT BE A SUPER SECRET, BUT WHAT WOULD BE, UH, IF WE'RE A MAJORITY VOTE, IT'S ALWAYS LESS SAY, LET ME GIVE YOU A HYPOTHETICAL, CAUSE THIS HAPPENED ONCE.
UH, LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAVE 40 MEMBERS, 40, THAT'S AN EVEN NUMBER, RIGHT? SO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO RATIFY THAT IF EVERYONE IN YOUR ASSOCIATION VOTED ON THE MEETING, CONFER A DEAL THAT YOU ALL PUT TOGETHER WITH THE COUNCIL AND YOU HAVE 40, HOW MANY IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO VOTE, TO APPROVE THAT FOR YOUR ASSOCIATION, 21 AND POLICE TO SIGN? SO HOW COME THAT IS? WHY COULDN'T IT BE 19 MAJORITY? OR IF IT WAS 20, THEN IT'S NOT A MAJORITY, RIGHT? MAJORITY MEANS THAT IT'S HALF PLUS ONE, RIGHT? SO EVERYBODY KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND, UH, LET'S TURN THE PAGE TO OUR, TURN THE SLIDE, PLEASE.
NOW THIS IS OUT OF THE STATUTE.
I JUST COULDN'T RESIST PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE STATUTE FROM, UH, FROM THE, UH, MEET AND CONFER.
WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PASSED OUT IN THERE, BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THIS, THERE HAS TO BE A SECRET BALLOT ELECTION AT WHICH ONLY THE FIREFIGHTERS OF THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE ASSOCIATION WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTES CAST FAVOR RATIFICATION.
SO THERE'S APPARENTLY THERE WAS SOME KIND OF ISSUE ABOUT THAT AND THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN A FIREFIGHTER PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, SO LET'S LOOK AT SOMETHING CALLED AN ELECTION BAR AND THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT
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ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU GO UP TO THE BAR AND GET SOMETHING ALCOHOLIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.THIS IS ABOUT WHILE THERE'S A MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT IN EFFECT.
AND I WILL SAY, THIS IS MORE OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TABLE.
THIS IS MORE OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
IT'S OUR PROBLEM HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BECAUSE WHILE THERE'S A MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT IN EFFECT THE CITY, LET'S SAY THE CITY, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT HURT ANYONE'S FEELINGS.
LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, THAT YOUR ASSOCIATION WAS RECOGNIZED.
THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL BY THE CITY HERE.
SO UNBEKNOWNST TO YOU, ALL Y'ALL ARE HAPPY.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE OTHER ASSOCIATION.
I WON'T NAME THE NAME, BUT I THINK YOU ALL, ESPECIALLY YOUR, YOUR, UH, STATE PERSON KNOWS WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? CALM STARTS COMING QUIETLY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE SLIDE AND SAYING, WE'RE A LOT BETTER, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR US MUCH.
SO WE WANT YOU TO BOOT OUT A BOOT OUT, UH, THIS OTHER ASSOCIATION, BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN REPRESENT A MAJORITY ANYMORE.
EVERYBODY GOT PO AT THEM AND DROPPED THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND WE WANT TO BE IT WELL, THAT DON'T WORK THAT WAY.
SO, BUT DON'T GET TOO CUSHY ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE EITHER, BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A WEEK THE CITY COUNCIL CAN NOT TO ACCEPT ANY PETITION.
ALSO, BECAUSE THIS SERVES AS A BLOCKER, YOU CAN'T GET COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
THEY CAN'T, UH, AND THEY CAN'T GET CIVIL SERVICE, WHICH IS THE 1 43, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MEET AND CONFER.
SO MY, I DON'T GIVE ADVICE TO, TO THE EMPLOYEE GROUPS GENERALLY, BUT MY ADVICE TO YOU IS TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE YOU ASK FOR IT TO THE COUNCIL.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, THEN YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR MINDS COLLECTIVELY OR INDIVIDUALLY.
EVERYBODY SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN, BUT I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
ANOTHER THING, THIS IS REALLY MORE ABOUT THE BARGAINING SESSIONS.
IF YOU CAN TURN THE SLOT, PLEASE, THIS IS ABOUT DELIBERATING AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING HERE TODAY.
SO ANYBODY COULD COME AND LISTEN TO THE OSA.
THEY MIGHT BE BORED TO DEATH, BUT ANYWAY, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE DELIBERATIONS OF SAY THAT COUNCIL, OUR HYPOTHETICAL IS COUNCIL APPROVES, MEETING CONFER.
WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THE STEPS.
IT TAKES TO GET THE TWO ASSOCIATIONS RECOGNIZED.
AND WE ACTUALLY SIT DOWN TO TALK ABOUT ISSUES THAT YOU, THAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE AND THE CITY CAN BRING ISSUES TO THE TABLE.
SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, UH, IS, UH, THERE IS WHEN THEY HAVE DELIBERATIONS, LET'S SAY WE WERE TO DO THIS HERE, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY.
AND WE'RE GOING TO FLIP THE TABLE.
SO WE HAVE SOME ASSOCIATION, PEOPLE HERE, CITY PEOPLE HERE, SYDNEY, PEOPLE HERE ASSOCIATION SORT OF SPLIT THE TABLE.
AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING MEET AND CONFER.
AND YOU ALL ARE HAVING A SECOND MEETING CONFER OVER HERE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S TOO MANY IN ONE MEETING AND FOR, FOR THIS HYPOTHETICAL.
AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME, OUR SIDE WANTS TO HAVE SOME PRIVATE CONVERSATION AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE NEGOTIATING WITH.
YOU ALL WANT SOME PRIVATE, THEY DON'T WANT PRIVATE.
WELL, THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROVISION THAT PERMITS EITHER SIDE TO BREAK OFF WHEN I BREAK OFF.
BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A CAUCUS, THEY USUALLY CALL IT.
AND EACH PARTY GOES IN A DIFFERENT REGIME AND YOU ALL CAN TALK OVER HERE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING OR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND THEY'RE OVER THERE SAYING, OH, THOSE IDIOTS, WHY ARE THEY WANTING TO DO THAT? WE WANT TO DO THIS SAME OVER HERE.
SO THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY NOT COVERED BY THE OPEN MEETINGS, ACT DELIBERATIONS.
AND THAT'S MORE FOR COUNCIL AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO KNOW THAT THAT THOSE ARE PRIVATE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN THOSE UP.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A CAUCUS OPENED UP BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSED WHAT YOU OWN ARE DOING.
AND I'VE KIND OF EXAGGERATING HERE.
Y'ALL ARE SCHEMING, HOW YOU CAN BEST WORK THE DEAL.
AND THE SAME OVER HERE, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO WORK THE BEST DEAL FOR OUR SIDE THAT WE CAN.
UH, AND THAT'S JUST BETWEEN US.
AND, AND SO THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW, LET'S, UH, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND I'M GOING TO SKIP THAT, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT HOW YOU GET RID OF THIS AND YOU ALL EVEN GOT IT, GOTTEN IT YET.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO GET RID OF IT.
SO WE CAN SKIP THAT NEXT REPEAL OF AGREEMENT.
AND ANOTHER ONE IS METHOD OF APPEALING, AND GUESS WHAT? THAT'S NUMBER 29 RIGHT THERE.
AND, UM, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT I WAS REALLY TALKING FAST, I THINK ANYONE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR, UH, EMPLOYEES,
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POLICE, AND FIRE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK THEM NOW, OR DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT DIFFERENTLY? YOU HAVE, WELL, I GUESS THAT, I GUESS ONE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES.
SO, AND YOU PROBABLY CAN RATTLE THEM OFF.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE FOR THE STEP PLANS, ACTUALLY WE DID A LARGER SALARY SURVEY, UH, 40, I THINK HOW MANY STUDIES, 40 STUDIES, A LOT, A WHOLE LOT STATEWIDE.
THEN WE, THEN WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO KIND OF OUR NEAR PEERS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AUSTIN METRO AREA.
SO CEDAR PARK, UH, ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN.
AND SO THEY ALL HAVE MEET AND CONFER, UH, AT PRESENT.
CAN YOU REMEMBER THAT VIDEO OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? YES, SIR.
DO ALL THE CEDAR PARK ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN I'LL HAVE MEET AND CONFER.
AND THEN THERE'S A, THEN WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES STATEWIDE WHERE THEY HAVE NEITHER, WHERE THEY'RE ALSO LET'S SAY FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL HIGH GROWTH CITIES, SUCH AS FRESCO.
SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT I WOULD CALL NOT TO USE THE BAR EXAMPLE, BUT TOP SHELF CITIES, SOME HAVE IT, SOME DON'T, UM, I GUESS THE ONE THING THOSE ALL HAVE IN COMMON IN THAT CASE, THEY'RE NOT MEMBERS OF A TRANSIT AUTHORITY, A LARGE TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
I'M ASSUMING, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S PLANO PART OF A DARK.
SO I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME, WE DO HAVE SOME LARGE CITIES.
I THINK THE DFW AREA THAT HAVE WHAT BOTH MEET AND CONFER AND ARE MEMBERS OF TRANSIT AUTHORITIES THAT ARE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL CITIES ALSO.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A ONE SIZE FITS ALL ACROSS ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, I THINK IF COUNCIL HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, EITHER A BETTY OR THE ASSOCIATIONS, OR IF ANYBODY AROUND THE TABLE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO KIND OF JUST, YES, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, CAN YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STEP PLAN THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AND MEET AND CONFER? WHAT IS THE EXACT DIFFERENCE OF WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING? OKAY.
WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITHOUT HAVING MEET AND CONFER IS WE HAVE TAKEN ROUND ROCKS F Y 22 STEP PLAN AND PLUGGED IN EFFECTIVELY THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNTS, TIME OF SERVICE AND RANK.
SO REALLY WHAT WE DID WITHOUT ANY CONSTRAINTS, WITHOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU COULD SAY, MAYBE THIS WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT WRONG WAY TO DO IT.
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE I, THE APPROACH I ACTUALLY TOOK FOR PARODY AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
IN THE SAME 12 MONTHS ROUND ROCK HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION MORE IN SALES TAX TOTAL COME IN THAN WE DID THAT BEING SAID, I KIND OF TOOK, HOW MUCH CAN WE DO FOR EVERYBODY APPROACH KIND OF LIKE A HUGE CATCH-UP AT ONE TIME.
SO IN THE CASE WAS STEPPED PLAN.
WHAT THAT GIVES YOU IS IT GIVES YOU YOUR YEARS IN, I MEAN, YOUR RANK.
SO IN THAT NEXT YEAR, YOU HAVE A BUILT-IN PAY RAISE EFFECTIVELY.
THAT'S ALREADY THERE WITH MEET AND CONFER OR A CONTRACT THAT MIGHT OVERLAY THAT, THAT MIGHT ALSO SAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE CIVILIANS 3% NEXT YEAR, AND YOU AUTOMATICALLY IN PD OR FIRE, GET A 1.6 OR 1.75, OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
WE WANT TO GET THAT ON TOP OF THAT APPLY TO OUR STEP PLAN, EFFECTIVELY, JUMPING IT FORWARD.
AND BETTY AM I STATING IT WRONG? AND ROBERT, ROBERT MAY ALSO CORRECT ME, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S OTHER GUARANTEES ON THAT, THAT PD AND FIRE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT THE CIVILIAN SIDE ADMITTEDLY DOES NOT HAVE THAT SAME ORGANIZATION, UH, OPPORTUNITY IN TEXAS, IN OTHER STATES.
THE, I THINK IF YOU, OUTSIDE OF, LET'S SAY IF WE HAD OUR OWN TRANSIT DEPARTMENT YES.
THAT BELIEVE THEY COULD ORGANIZE UNDER THE TEAMSTERS.
UH, UH, WELL, I'M THINKING ABOUT LARGE.
I'D SAY IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD A LARGE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT, YOU COULD CORRECT MTA.
UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A GOVERNMENT, UH, THEY, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ORGANIZE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THE STATUTE DID PRETTY GOOD.
THERE WERE, UH, UH, STATES THAT YOU, THEY COULD ORGANIZE, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF, AND I CANNOT ORGANIZE UNDER THE
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FEDERAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY.SO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE CIVILIANS UNDER MOST SCENARIOS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SHOPS WE HAVE COULD NOT ORGANIZE UNDER STATE LAW, FIRE AND PD CAN WITH, AND THOSE ARE, AND YOU HAVE RIGHT.
YOU HAVE MEAT, YOU HAVE MEET AND CONFER, EXCUSE ME, YOU HAVE MEET AND CONFER, OR YOU HAVE OLD FASHIONED, THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, WHICH IS, IT'S A HARDER VERSION, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, IN MANY RESPECTS.
UM, AND THEN THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT, UH, INVOLVE A WRITTEN CONTRACT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CIVIL SERVICE, WHICH I'M NOT AWARE THAT YOU, THAT ANYONE HEARS OF ADVOCATING FOR CIVIL SERVICE.
I WOULD NOT PROBABLY WANT TO RENDER AN OPINION OF MY OWN ABOUT WHICH IS BETTER THAN WHICHEVER.
SO I'M GOING TO HAND THIS BACK.
SO IN THE SCENARIO THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED WHERE THERE COULD BE AN AGREEMENT WHERE POLICE AND FIRE MAKE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT CIVILIANS MAKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE AGREED TO.
AND I THINK THE OTHER, THE OTHER THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, ON ONE SIDE THE ASSOCIATIONS, I WOULD ASSUME THEY'D LIKE SOME GUARANTEES IN THERE.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO BUILD IN JUST DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
IF WE DON'T MAKE OUR MARK, LET'S SAY INFLATION GOES UP, INTEREST RATES GO UP, PEOPLE PULL BACK ON DISCRETIONARY SPENDING.
WE'D HAVE THOSE TRIGGERS IN THERE THAT WE'RE NOT BOUND TO LAY OFF CIVILIANS AS AN EXAMPLE TO COVER THOSE INCREASES.
CARLY HAS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROVIDE A, UH, PERSPECTIVE IF I MAY, SIR.
UM, JUST FOR CONSIDERATION YOUR, YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE SERVICE PERSONNEL ARE BEING, UH, CONSIDERED WITH CIVILIAN POINTS.
AND AS A CITY, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THESE IN YOUR CHARGE.
WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I PROPOSE AND WHAT I'M, I'M GOING TO PUT FORTH TO YOU IS THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
YOU HAD FIRE PERSONNEL WHO ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO RUN INTO A BUILDING RISK THEIR LIVES, AND POTENTIALLY GET BURNED.
THAT CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES AREN'T GOING TO FACE.
YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL THAT WHEN THERE ARE SHOTS BEING HEARD, THEY ARE GOING TO FACE THAT DANGER AND RUN TOWARDS THAT AND RUN BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, BOTH OF THESE TEAMS HERE, RISK OF NOT COMING HOME AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, WHILE YOU DO HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE ALTERNATE RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE EMPLOYEES IN YOUR CHARGE, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT THESE ASSOCIATIONS ARE ASKING IS TO RECOGNIZE, AND TO APPRECIATE THAT DIFFERENCE AND IN TODAY'S WORLD LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND TO A LESSER EXTENT, FLIER IS UNDER ATTACK.
AND IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE CITY OF LEANDER WANTING TO APPRECIATE THAT IT'S EXTERNAL FORCES THAT ARE COMING INTO PLAY AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY AS A WHOLE PUBLIC SAFETY INCLUDES OUR CHOIR AND OUR EMS BREAKFAST AS WELL.
WHAT, WHAT THESE ASSOCIATIONS ARE TRYING TO, TO PUT FORWARD IS THE TERM USING THE TERM USED EARLIER WAS FUTURE PROOF.
WHAT THESE ASSOCIATIONS ARE TRYING TO PUT FORWARD IS THAT PROTECTION IS THE FUTURE.
IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S NOT THIS CITY, THAT SENIOR RIGHT NOW.
AND THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING, IT'S THE FUTURE.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE NEXT GENERATION OF COPS AND FIRE AND EMS PERSONNEL THAT COME FORWARD AGAINST, UM, THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE WORLD, THE DEFUNDING POLICE, THE DEFUNDING, THE FIRE, THE DEFUNDING, THE CITIES IT'S THAT, THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR MY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MY OTHER QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, UM, TO YOU, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES AND THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO HAVING MEANING COMFORT.
CAN YOU SPEAK MORE TO THOSE? I'M NOT USED TO SPEAKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGES, UH, WELL ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF MEET AND CONFER BECAUSE OF, I DIDN'T DREAM IT UP TO START WITH, BUT, UM, I ONLY SEE THIS AS A BENEFIT IN CITIES AND IT'S NOT THIS ONE WHERE THERE'S, THERE ARE GREAT DISPARITIES IN WAGES AND BENEFITS, UH,
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WITH, UH, OTHER, NOT EVERY PLACE IN TEXAS HAS AS MANY CITIES AS YOU HAVE HERE, BUT GREAT DISPARITIES IN THE BENEFITS.AND THE WAGES IS MORE FOR MORE I'M PLEASED AND NOT AS MUCH ON FIRE.
UH, BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF GEOGRAPHY AND OTHER THINGS WHERE, UH, THIS CAN BE A REAL PROBLEM, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, WHERE THEY ARE.
AND, AND HERE THERE'S ENOUGH CONFIDENCE.
I SEE THIS, AND THIS IS MY, MY THINKING ABOUT IT, WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE CITIES HERE, UH, THAT ARE BUYING FOR BASICALLY THE SAME POOL OF QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE COMPETITION AND I'LL JUST PICK SOME CITIES.
AND SOME OF THEY'RE NOT ALL, UM, MEET AND CONFER, UH, BUT YOU TAKE A CITY LIKE AN ODESSA AND MIDLAND, SOME, A CITY THAT'S COMMONLY IS LOCKED AND IT'S THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE.
UH, THAT'S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE METROPOLITAN AREAS AND THE THREE THAT COME TO MY MIND OR THIS METROPOLITAN AREA UP AT DFW, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OLD LANDS, CIVIL SERVICE CITIES.
THEY'RE ALSO THAT KIND OF LAID THE BEDROCK ON THIS.
AND NOW THE NEWER CITIES IN OUR NORTH ARE REALLY GOING MORE FOR THE MEET AND CONFER DEAL INSTEAD OF CIVIL SERVICE.
AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE DOWN IN THE HOUSTON AREA, THOSE ARE THE THREE WHERE THE COMPETITION IS FIERCE.
AND I IMAGINE THE CHIEFS OWE YOU ABOUT THAT.
SO, SO GENERALLY I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS TO GENTLEMEN MAKES, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE RISKS THAT WE HAVE OF, UH, OF APPROVING THIS? WHAT ARE THE REWARDS WE HAVE OF APPROVING THIS? FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY COULD GUARANTEE THE TWO CHIEFS THAT THEY WOULD NEVER LEAVE AND LEAVE US HIGH AND DRY TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY, BECAUSE WAGES ARE BIGGER, THAT MIGHT BE AN INCENTIVE, BUT, BUT AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, NOBODY CAN INDENTURE THEMSELVES TO THEIR EMPLOYER.
WE'RE NOT IN MEDIEVAL EUROPE OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, QUESTION FOR EVERYONE TO PONDER OVER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DECIDE HERE YOU CONSOLE MEMBERS.
SO I ADMIRE YOUR SERVICE THAT YOU ALL, AS A GROUP HAVE TO DECIDE, WHAT'S THE CALIBER OF THE EMPLOYEES WE WANT.
AND WE LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, WE LIKED THE CALIBER OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE NOW.
WE LIKE THEM, OR THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
WE WOULD HAVE SKIDDED THEM AWAY SOMEHOW BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T A RIGHT FIT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE TO ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT IS HOW DO WE RECRUIT PEOPLE LIKE THEM THAT WE LIKE, AND WE KNOW THEY DO A GOOD JOB AND, AND, AND THAT'S MAYBE HOW IT TIES IN.
ARE WE COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH RIGHT NOW? AND I KNOW ABOUT I'VE WORKED IN SEVERAL OF THOSE, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY, MOST OF THOSE WERE GETTING RID OF WHAT THEY USED TO CALL THIS GRANT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL USE THAT WORD ANYMORE, BUT THE BAD APPLES OR THAT KIND OF THING, THAT WAS REALLY MORE OF MY WORK, BUT I ALSO HELPED GET STARTED IN THE MEET AND CONFER PROCESS.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, UH, FOR VARIOUS REASONS CHANGES THAT THE LEADERSHIP HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET A REALLY GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING THERE AND, UH, AND ENJOYING THE BENEFITS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS, I THINK EVERY CITY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT FINE CANDIDATES AND KEEP THE PEN OF GATES.
THANK YOU, MS. LICK, BEFORE WE GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE'VE HAD AN HOUR AND A HALF OF THIS AND WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
SO IF EVERYBODY COULD KEEP THEIR ANSWERS REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BEVERLEY FIRST.
SO HAS THIS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE PAST COUNCILS? THIS MEETING? NOT, NOT IN, SO I GOT HERE IN DECEMBER 19.
I KNOW I BROUGHT ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH ME.
UM, I BELIEVE WAS IT MEET AND CONFER OR WAS IT CIVIL, SIR? SO SERVICE THAT, THAT FIRE HAD PUT ON THE BALLOT BACK IN 20 13, 13, I WAS GOING TO SAY 14.
AND THERE WAS, THERE'S ONE THING I DID WANT TO, I KNOW THAT THE COMMENT ON I, I, 100% REALIZED THAT THE, THE JOB THAT'S DONE, LET'S SAY BY THE PARKS OR THE STREETS CREWMAN ONE OUT IN THE FIELD IS NOT THE SAME, BUT I DO TAKE THE APPROACH THAT EVERY DISCIPLINE HAS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR WHAT IT IS AND HAVE A COMPARABLE WAGE FOR WHAT IT IS.
SO THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I REALIZED WE DON'T HAVE IN-HOUSE TRASH SERVICE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT I THINK ATLANTA WAS ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THEY, IN THEIR CASE, I THINK THEY HAD A TRASH
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AND UNION AND THEY HAD A HIGHER FATALITY RATE AND INJURY RATE FOR THOSE IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS, WHICH WERE MUCH LOWER INCOME THAN THEIR OFFICERS.AND SO I, I THINK OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN, IS TRY TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE WITH WHAT WE HAVE, TRY TO KEEP US AS ONE FAMILY.
SO TO, SO TO SPEAK, UH, TRY TO PUT US BY JUMPING FORWARD ON THE ROUND ROCK, UH, TRYING TO PEG TO THEIR STEP.
WE WEREN'T TRYING TO SAY, HEY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PEG EVERYBODY PERFECTLY, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, WE DID RUN THE LARGER, UH, SALARY SURVEY, BUT WE DRILLED DOWN TO THOSE NEAR PEERS.
WE DID THAT FOR THE STEP PLANS BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WAS SAME HOUSING MARKET, SAME JOB MARKET.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE, YES.
UM, WE KIND OF WENT OUT ON THE EDGE TO DO THAT.
YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT ADDING FTES THAT CAME DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME OF, UH, ROBERTS, UH, FINAL NUMBERS COME IN ON THE, ON THE BUDGET, UM, IN TERMS OF POLICY CHANGES, I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT KRISTI HAS, WE CAN CONTINUE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH BOTH ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, I REALIZED THAT THE STATE ASSOCIATIONS AND THE LOCAL ASSOCIATIONS MAY WANT TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON THIS ON AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION ON MEET AND CONFER.
UM, BUT AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE CIVILIAN STAFF OR MANAGERS OFFICE, UH, Y'ALL HAVE MY COMMITMENT TO KEEP WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THINGS AS GOOD AS THEY CAN BE WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE.
AND WE'RE ALSO TASKING SOME OF THE OTHER DIVISIONS THAT HELP US PAY THE BILLS TO GROW THE PIE.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF BRAD OR DAVID HAS ANYTHING ELSE KIND OF TO WRAP UP.
UH, FIRST, I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL, THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH US.
UM, THESE ARE THE BIGGEST TWO DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY THAT ARE COMING TO ASK HIM FOR THIS.
UM, I KNOW THEY'VE PULLED THEIR MEMBERS.
I DID A POLL FOR OUR MEMBERS AND I, SHE BROUGHT THE SIGNATURES, THE ONLY MEMBERS, I WAS UNABLE TO GET SIGNATURES FROM OUR MEMBERS THAT ARE OUT ON LEAVE RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY OSHA ASSOCIATION MEMBERS NOT ASSOCIATED SHOULD MEMBERS.
THEY'RE ASKING YOU LOUD AND CLEAR TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE SIT DOWN TO GET AN AGREEMENT.
WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IS AN AGREEMENT THAT BOTH VOTE PES FOR BOTH PARTIES, NOT JUST US, NOT JUST THEM FOR BOTH PARTIES.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF YOU'VE SEEN THE LIST WE'VE ASKED FOR THIS YEAR REQUESTS TO HAVE STUFF CHANGED.
WE'RE NOT OUT TO BE SELFISH, EVERYTHING WE ASKED FOR BENEFITS, EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE.
SO THIS ISN'T JUST A ONE-SIDED DEAL.
IT WAS THE SAME THING WE DIDN'T ASK FOR STUFF THAT JUST AFFECTED US.
WE ASKED FOR STUFF THAT AFFECTED EVERY EMPLOYEE.
SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS, THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST SITTING DOWN THANK YOU TO, YOU KNOW, CITY ADMINISTRATION FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE FOR US THIS YEAR.
UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE COUNCIL.
IS THERE ANY, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST GO FURTHER INTO, THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT BENEFITS DOES THIS BRING? I THINK WE'RE HEARING PLENTY, PLENTY OF THE BENEFITS THAT IT BRINGS ALSO THAT IT'S GOING TO BE STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY EVERYBODY, BUT JUST, I WOULD BE ALSO INTERESTED TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT, IF IT, IF IT CONSTRAINS US IN ANY REASON, SO WHAT'S THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT COULD, COULD COME UPON FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW, TOO.
I WANT YOU TO ANSWER BRIEFLY, RIGHT.
TWO MINUTES OR LESS, PLEASE GO OVER TO ME EITHER ONE, BUT, AND SHOULD GO FIRST.
AND THEN THE CFP HE'S VERY, SINCE HE KNOWS MORE, WE'LL HAVE TO GO HOME FIRST AND THEN I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A VERBAL, I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW MORE OF THE BET THAN BETTING IN THIS CASE.
HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT THE BIGGEST I WOULD HAVE OF A POTENTIAL SCENARIO, GRANTED, I COME FROM THE HURRICANE WORLD OIL CRASH WORLD AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT LET'S SAY WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT DOWNTURN IN TECH AND A SIGNIFICANT DOWNTURN AND HOUSING AND EVERYTHING ALL AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HAD A PROVISION WITHIN THE CONTRACT THAT MAKES US MAKE THAT CHOICE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LAY OFF OTHERS TO MEET THOSE PROVISIONS.
I HAVE SEEN OTHER SCENARIOS WHERE IT MAY MEAN LET'S SAY PD AND FIRE GETS, GETS THEIR RACES AND CIVILIANS ARE FROZEN OUT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
I'VE ALSO SEEN SCENARIOS WHERE EVERYBODY HAS LAYOFFS ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT, BUT I THINK IN SOME SCENARIOS
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YOU CAN BE FORCED TO HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE.AND WHAT YOU START WITH IS WHAT YOU'RE CONTRACTUALLY LOCKED INTO, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIRST BE OBLIGATED TO.
AND THAT WOULD BE ONE CONCERN.
SO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, PB ASSOCIATION, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT IF WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, Y'ALL RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT FIRE ASSOCIATION? SAME QUESTION.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SURE.
IT REALLY HAPPENED IN 2008 AND THAT WAS IN THE EARLY TIME OF MEETING CONFER, BUT WE ALREADY HAD COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IN TEXAS SINCE THE, OF WAY BEFORE THAT.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF CITIES THAT HAD CONTRACTS IN PLACE.
I REMEMBER PARTICULARLY GALVESTON BEING ONE.
AND OF COURSE NOBODY HAD EVER THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING ANY WAY TO, TO SCALE BACK, UH, PUT INTO THEIR CONTRACTS.
AND, AND SO A LOT OF CITIES ENDED UP IN GALVESTON WAS ONE, CAUSE IT HIT THE PAPERS, UH, THAT HAD TO CONTINUE PAYING WAGES AND WAGE INCREASES TO THEIR POLICE AND FIRE UNDER THEIR, UH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CONTRACTS.
UH, AND THEY BASICALLY HAD TO STOP, TEND TO REDUCE THE WAGES OF THE OTHER EMPLOYEES AND THAT DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH THE OTHER EMPLOYEES.
AND THEY HAD QUITE A FEW IN THAT CITY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IS THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, AND YOU WERE GETTING A SENSE HERE, AND I WON'T THINK THAT MAYBE YOU'D RATHER ASK FOR ANOTHER ASSENT THAT, UH, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT OBJECT TO HAVING SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE IN AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD PERMIT THAT TO OCCUR TO IF WE HAVE TO FREEZE.
UH, AND NOBODY THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
UH, BUT THAT THEY WOULD AGREE TO THAT SOME KIND OF A CLAUSE IN EACH OF THE CONTRACTS THAT WOULD PERMIT THAT SO THAT THEY WERE BEING TREATED THE SAME AS OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE.
NOT THAT WILL BE A QUICK ANSWER THOUGH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SCENARIOS OF, UM, LIKE SIMILAR SITUATIONS WITH MEET AND CONFERRED WITH ALCHEMY AND CONFER TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LOOK BEFORE.
HOW, HOW DID YOU GET ADMITTED? YEAH.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE EXAMPLES OF ASSOCIATIONS ARE, Y'ALL ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, YOUR MEMBERSHIP.
IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU GUYS.
SO YOUR MEMBERSHIP IS, IS IT PREDOMINANTLY WE UNDER RESIDENTS, ARE THERE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE IT'S SPLIT? UM, I'LL TELL YOU BOTH OF US, ARE WE UNDER RESIDENTS AND, UH, AFTER OUR BOARD IS MADE UP OF LANDER RESIDENTS.
SO WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME, BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES FITTING THE BILL FOR THAT AS WELL.
UH, I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIVE IN LANDER.
I DID LIVE IN LEANDER FOR FIVE YEARS, KIND OF SLOWLY STEPPING MY WAY UP OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
UM, I'M JUST HAPPY TO HEAR THIS CONVERSATION GOING.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL, SO NO QUESTIONS, BUT I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT.
AND I KNOW HOW SUPPORTED YOU FEEL ONCE YOU HAVE THESE THINGS AND THESE PROVISIONS IN PLACE KIND OF EMPOWERS YOU TO GO OUT THERE AND DO YOUR JOB AND, UH, FEELS LIKE THE CITY IS BEHIND YOU.
AND IT ALLOWS US TO GET BETTER QUALITY APPLICANTS AS WELL.
SO I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE WAY TO CALL IT.
AND I'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, AS BRAD EXPLAINED TO ME AS WELL, GOT A PETITION SIGNED BY OUR MEMBERS, AND THAT IS 56 OUT OF THE TOTAL OF 58.
UH, ONE OF THOSE IS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND IS SICK.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS OUR PRESIDENT CARLOS GONZALEZ.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ASSOCIATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, WE REPRESENT 94% OF ALL OF OUR SWORN MEMBERS.
EVERYBODY HAS YOUR BUS, THEIR FULL SUPPORT.
WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION BACK IN JANUARY WITH THOSE CITY MANAGEMENT.
AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE BROUGHT UP PERSONNEL POLICY ISSUES THAT AFFECTED EVERYONE, THINGS THAT WE JUST SAW THAT WE NEEDED TO GET OPPORTUNITIES TO RIGHT DIRECTION.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR FURTHER GROWTH.
AND THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE OUR CITY MANAGER IS ON BOARD.
THE STEP THING WAS GREAT AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRESS.
SO I THINK YOU KIND OF STOLE MY THUNDER HERE.
I WANTED TO SAY WE DON'T USUALLY GET TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU ALL.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FEEL HEARD.
SO ANY LAST COMMENTS FROM THE ASSOCIATION
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I DO WANT TO, WE BROUGHT UP THE, YOU ACTUALLY ASKED THE QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE BE FINE IF THE CITY TOOK A DOWN TURN, NOT TAKING A PAY RAISE? UM, YOU'RE A PRIME EXAMPLE BACK IN 2008, EL PASO DID THAT.I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME EITHER ASSOCIATIONS, FINAL COMMENTS.
WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE MEETING.
[4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022.
AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDER CITY COUNCIL.
UH, JOE BOB ELLISON WILL BE PROVIDING OUR INVOCATION.
UH, FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION, PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND LET'S PRAY, FATHER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, FATHER, I JUST WANT TO PRAY AND CONTINUE TO LIFT UP, UH, OUR MAYOR, UH, CHRISTINE, OUR CITY COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL, WOMAN, BECKY ROSS, UH, COUNCILMAN CHRIS CERNIK, UH, CRANK COUNCIL, WOMAN, NICOLE THOMPSON, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DAVID MCDONALD, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER AS A, A LONGORIA AND, UH, A COUNCIL WOMAN, UH, CATHERINE BATTALION, UH, PARKER AND FI ALSO OUR AMAZING CITY MANAGER, UH, RICK BEVERLY AND, AND OF COURSE, NONE OF THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE AMAZING AND PHENOMENAL CITY SECRETARY, DAR CRABTREE AND ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF.
AND I PRAY FATHER, YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS THEM, LIFT THEM UP.
ALL THE BUSINESS HAVE TO DO TONIGHT, NOT ONLY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT ALSO FOR OUR OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
I'M SUPER EXCITED TO WORK WITH, UH, OUR OFFICER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, RAYMOND AND HIS AMAZING, AN AMAZING SPECIAL OFFICE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST, A NIECE AND LORD, I PRAY YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS EACH ONE OF THEM THANKFUL FOR OUR CITY.
UH, AND WE LOVE THE CITY OF LANDER AND GOD WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO.
[5. Roll Call.]
SECRETARY CRABTREE, WE PLEASE CALL ROLL.COUNCIL MEMBER, KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER
[6. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda. Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council. [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.] ]
NONE AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM.
AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
IT'S IMPORTANT NOTE THAT CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOT A TIME FOR BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COUNCIL IS JUST A TIME FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO US.
SO YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND, UH, THAT IS IT.
SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TONIGHT FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND THAT IS ALICE FINLEY.
COME ON UP, MS. FINLEY, PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
MY NAME IS ALICE FINLEY, 2,800 SENA COPATH AND LEANDER.
UM, TONIGHT I WANT TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ABOUT LIFT STATION.
THAT'S BEING PLACED IN FRONT OF MY HOME.
WHEN I MOVED TO TEXAS AND BOUGHT MY HOME, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A LIFT STATION.
UH, WE MET WITH THE COUNCIL IN MAY BACK ON IN MAY OF 2021 WITH GF HOMES.
UM, I, I HATE THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, THE POSSIBLE OVERFLOW INTO SAN GABRIEL AND OVERFLOW INTO THE RIVER RESERVOIR THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE HOME.
UM, JUST THE IMPACTS ON OUR HOMES, RELOCATION FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING RESERVOIR TO THE EAST SIDE, WHICH MIGHT BE BETTER FOR US AS RESIDENTS.
UM, W W WE WERE NEVER TOLD, WE WERE TOLD BY OUR BUILDERS THAT WE WERE FACING A GREEN SPACE AND THAT WOULD NEVER BE INTERFERED WITH, AND THEN ON FEW DAYS AGO, WE'VE FOUND OUT THAT THERE'LL BE A LIFT STATION AND IT'S ALMOST ON MY FRONT PORCH AND IT OBSCURES THE VIEW OF TWO OVER THE RESIDENCE COMPLETELY.
SO I JUST WISH SOMEONE WOULD HELP US OR AT LEAST SPEAK TO US REGARDING THIS STATION LIFT STATION.
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THANK YOU.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR YOU WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH US? UM, I KNOW THAT'S A QUESTION AND SOMEBODY FROM CITY STAFF GET IN TOUCH WITH MRS. FINLEY.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING? NOT ON THE AGENDA.
[7. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. Oath of Office Emergency Management Coordinator and Emergency Management Specialist Emergency Preparedness Month (September)]
RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND VISITORS.WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, RAYMOND BEHEAD, JR.
AND OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST, A NIECE RENEE HILL.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? THANK YOU.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, THEN I'LL PAY IT.
THE, WE EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OR THE CITY LEANDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THE STATE.
I HAVE A NIECE RENEE HILL, THIS WALLET DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE, OF THE OFFICE, OF THE CITY LEANDER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST ON THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY PRESERVE, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE STATES TO HELP MAKE THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. MONAGHAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL DO? THAT'S TRUE.
ON OUR BOAT, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY LANDER, I'M VERY PROUD TO BE HERE.
A NIECE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF TONIGHT.
UH, SO, UH, WE'RE GRATEFUL TO BE HERE AND TO, UH, PARTNER WITH THIS COMMUNITY DURING THE HANDS PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY.
UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, IT'S NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH AND THERE'S A PROCLAMATION FOR THAT.
UH, AND OUR SWEARING IN IS TESTIMONY TO THE IMPORTANCE PLACED ON THIS COMMUNITY IN CITY SAFETY INSECURITY.
THE FACT THAT ALL OF Y'ALL ARE HERE SHOWS HOW MUCH THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THIS CITY.
SO, UH, ANNISA AND I ARE VERY HAPPY, VERY EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH Y'ALL.
PART OF THAT PARTNERSHIP IS TO COLLABORATE AND COMMUNICATE AND PART OF OUR COMMUNICATION AT NATIONAL PARENTS MONTH, UH, WE WILL BE, UH, HAVING A WARRANTS CENTRAL TEXAS CAMPAIGN.
UH, THERE'S A SLIDE RIGHT HERE.
FEEL FREE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOUR CELL PHONE.
UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR WARRANTS, TIP OF TEXAS, UH, YOU CAN SIGN UP AT THIS WEBSITE, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, QR CODE WILL SCAN DIRECTLY TO THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN REGISTER FOR WARREN CHAPTER TO TEXAS TO RECEIVE EMERGENCY MESSAGES BY PHONE, EMAIL, OR TEXT YOUR CHOICE.
SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT MONTH AND FOR A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP AND BUILDING RESILIENCY WITH Y'ALL.
WE STILL GOT THE PROCLAMATION.
AND WE'RE SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE.
UM, UP NEXT IS GOING TO BE THE EMERGENCY PREPAREMENT PREPAREDNESS MONTH
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PROCLAMATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MACULA, GLORIA.I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE THE CITY PROCLAMATION AND ALSO WANT TO PLUG IN CENTRAL TEXAS, BECAUSE I ALSO USE THAT IN WHEN WE HAD THE FLASH FLOOD ON SATURDAY.
UM, I GOT THE, UM, TEXTS AND PHONE CALLS, SO I'M A BIG FAN.
SO WHEREAS THE CITY CAPITOL AREA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE SERVING BASTROP, BLANCO, BURNET CALDWELL, FAYETTE HAYES, LEE LENO, TRAVIS AND WILLIAMSON COUNTIES.
AND WHEREAS THE STATE OF TEXAS HISTORICALLY LEADS THE NATION IN THE NUMBER OF FEDERALLY DECLARED DISASTERS, BE THEY NATURAL HAZARDS, TECHNOLOGICAL OR HUMAN CAUSED.
AND WHEREAS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CAP COG TO INFORM AND EDUCATE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, AND COMMUNITIES IN THE CAP COG REGION, TO BE MORE PREPARED BY DEVELOPING THE CAPABILITIES NEEDED TO PREVENT, PROTECT AGAINST, RESPOND, TO RECOVER FROM AND MITIGATE AGAINST ALL THREATS AND HAZARDS.
AND WHEREAS PREPAREDNESS IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERY RESIDENT OF THE CAP COG 10 COUNTY REGION.
AND WHEREAS PREPAREDNESS IS A NATIONAL PRIORITY WITH THE GOAL OF SHARED SAFETY AND RESILIENCE, AND WHEREAS PERSONAL BUSINESS ANIMAL AND PRIVATE SECTOR PREPAREDNESS MAY SERVE TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF VARIOUS INCIDENTS, EMERGENCIES, AND DISASTERS IN THE CAP COG REGION.
AND WHEREAS A CAP COCK EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN PREPAREDNESS ACTIVITIES AND ARE ASKED TO REVIEW PREPAREDNESS INFORMATION@READY.GOV AND TO SIGN UP, TO RECEIVE EMERGENCY ALERTS VIA WARN CENTRAL TEXAS.ORG TO BECOME MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND PREPARED.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED I MAY OR CHRISTINE DELILAH DO HEREBY DECLARES THE TEMPORARY 2022 AS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH AND ENCOURAGES ALL CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN, GO TO WARN CENTRAL TEXAS.ORG TO REGISTER, TO RECEIVE EMERGENCY ALERTS AND WORK AS A TEAM TOWARDS THAT END AND WITNESS THEREOF.
I HAVE HERE ON TO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE A CITY SEAL OF THE CITY OF LEANDER TO BE EFFECTS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2022 AND BEFORE WE COME DOWN FOR A PICTURE WITH Y'ALL MR.
SO WITH YOUR PREPAREDNESS, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU READY IN CASE WE LOSE POWER WATER, THOSE ESSENTIAL ITEMS, UH, PART OF, UH, THE WARRANTS CENTRAL TEXAS, PART OF THE WARRANTS, CENTRAL TEXAS AND STEERS PROGRAM, WHICH IS GEARED TOWARDS THOSE WITH ADDITIONAL NEEDS SO THAT WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE, THAT THEY CAN REGISTER THROUGH THE STEER PROGRAM.
IT STANDS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE REGISTRY.
UH, UH, SINCE MY TIME HERE, WE'VE BEEN, UH, VALIDATING THAT LIST AND MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE THESE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS ARE LOCATED.
SO AT TIMES OF DISASTERS, UH, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY.
UH, PART OF THE WARN CENTRAL TEXAS IS SO THAT WE CAN SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH EVERYBODY IN AND AROUND OUR JURISDICTION, UH, SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL FOR THIS PARTNERSHIP AND RESILIENCY.
[8. Mid-year Leander Chamber of Commerce update.]
EIGHT MID-YEAR LAND OR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE UPDATE WITH OUR CHAMBER PRESIDENT.[01:35:01]
GOOD EVENING, MS. BRANDT.I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VIDEO READY FOR Y'ALL.
WE'LL START WITH THE VEIN, UNLESS THAT DOESN'T WORK, MIKE, I CAN, I CAN BE FLEXIBLE.
SO THAT IS THE FIRST IN A SERIES OF FOUR VIDEOS THAT WE WILL HAVE WE'RE STARTING A CAMPAIGN.
WELL, WE GOT THAT VIDEO LITERALLY TODAY.
UH, THANK YOU, TEAM AND STAFF FOR HAVING THAT READY TO SHOW.
WE GOT THAT TODAY, ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED.
SO THERE'S THAT, UH, BUT WE ARE STARTING A LEANDRA IS CAMPAIGN.
IT'LL BE A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN DESIGNED TO CREATE ENGAGEMENT WITH PEOPLE VISITING LEANDER THAT LIVE IN LAND, TALKING ABOUT WHAT LANDER IS TO THEM.
AND SO THERE ARE, THERE IS THIS OF COURSE WILL BE OUR PARKS VIDEO, UM, THAT WE'LL BE FEATURING OUR INCREDIBLE LAKEWOOD PARK.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE WENT OUT FOR OUR CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL THAT IS COMING UP ON DECEMBER THE THIRD.
UH, WE HAVE OUR OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL FEATURED, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE JUST A GENERAL EATING DRINKING AS SOME OF YOU ARE ALREADY IN.
THAT WAS OUR VERY FIRST IN THE SERIES.
SO WE'LL BE USING THOSE ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS, ACTUALLY.
UH, ONE OF MY UPDATES, WE RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UH, THAT'S AN ADVERTISING GRANT.
SO I SENT TO MANY OF YOU, YOU SAW US IN CULTURE MAPS, WHICH LITERALLY LAUNCHED CULTURE MAPS ALL OVER THE STATE.
UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THOSE THINGS, ESSENTIALLY CREATING AWARENESS THAT LANDER IS A PLACE TO VISIT.
UH, THERE ARE THINGS TO DO IN LEANDER, UH, AND THEN ALSO WORKING TO CREATE ALL OF THOSE FUN THINGS TO DO.
SO, UH, MY TEAM'S BEEN WORKING A LOT ON THAT.
AND SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THOSE THINGS COMING TO FRUITION, UM, IN THIS REPORT, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEWER TO THE COUNCIL SINCE MY LAST REPORT, UH, THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL, OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL WAS INCREDIBLE.
UM, WE'RE, UH, ESTIMATING BETWEEN 15 AND 20,000 PEOPLE CAME THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
UH, WE TAKE A DRONE SNAPSHOT THREE TIMES DURING THAT, AND THEN WE COUNT AND DO MATH.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THOSE NUMBERS FROM, UH, BASED ON A REALLY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER THAT EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY $206,000 IN REVENUE, BASED ON THE STATE AVERAGE, THAT EQUATES TO 1.1, TWO ZERO MILLION DOLLARS, UH, IN ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THAT HAS FOR THE CITY.
THAT MEANS PEOPLE THAT SHOP THERE THAT DRANK THERE THAT STAYED HERE OVERNIGHT, THAT DID ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID, AND THEY BASICALLY CREATE WHERE THAT DOLLAR GOES AND HOW THAT DOLLAR MULTIPLIES.
SO IT'S A HUGE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO OUR CITY.
MY GUESS IS IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE IN BETWEEN LIKE ALL STORIES, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THIS OR THAT.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THAT IS AS WELL.
UH, THIS YEAR WE HAVE 13 PEOPLE IN OUR LEADERSHIP CLASS, THREE OF WHOM ARE IN THIS VERY ROOM.
THEY WILL ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE ONE MORE CLASS AND THEN THEY'LL BE GRADUATING AT OUR GALA, WHICH IS ALSO THE NEXT UPDATE ON NOVEMBER 12TH.
SO WE HOPE TO SEE ALL OF YOU THERE.
THAT IS WHERE WE'LL ALSO BE DOING OUR RISING STAR OF LEANDER AWARDS.
WE'LL BE RECOGNIZING SMALL, LARGE ROOKIE, UH, NONPROFIT AND CITIZEN OF THE YEAR AT THAT EVENT.
AND SO THOSE NOMINATIONS GO OUT NEXT WEEK.
SO A REALLY EXCITING THIS YEAR IN OUR SMALL GROUPS, WE HAD 53 BUSINESSES AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS PARTICIPATING, WHICH IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE.
THEY JUST WRAPPED UP THEIR LAST MEETING.
AND SO WE'LL START FORMING THOSE GROUPS AGAIN IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS REALLY A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THEM.
UH, ONE MORE QUICK UPDATE, AND THEN I'LL GO TO QUESTIONS.
UH, WE HAVE OUR VERY FIRST NINE CITY NON CHAMBER EVENT THAT IS COMING TO LEANDER.
UH, IT'S A SONGBIRD FESTIVAL AND IT WILL BE AN APRIL.
UH, IT'S A REALLY SMALL FESTIVAL THAT HAPPENS OUT IN THE BALCONIES CANYON LAND, BUT THEY ARE MOVING MOST OF THEIR ACTIVITIES TO LEANDRA THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO, UH, THE MINI FIRST, WHICH WE ARE ALWAYS EXCITED TO SEE AND GET TO BE A PART OF.
UM, I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO OLD TOWN JUST FOR ONE QUICK MINUTE AND THANK, UH, ALL OF THE STAFF THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CHAMBER PUTS ON THAT EVENT, BUT IT IS NOT WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE CITY.
UM, THEY REALLY DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB HELPING
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US MAKE THAT EVENT HAPPEN AND ARE GETTING READY TO DO IT FOR CHRISTMAS.SO IT'LL BE HERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL.
THIS WILL BE THE VERY, ANOTHER FIRST FOR US.
UH, WE WILL BE SOLD OUT FROM, UH, OUR UNIQUE VENDOR BOOTH.
WE'LL SELL OUT AT THIS NEXT ROUND.
WE HAVE 65 SPACES FOR CHRISTMAS.
UM, WE'VE HAD 192 APPLICATIONS TO BE IN OUR CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE AND ALSO A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TELL A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHICH WE HATE DOING SO THERE'S THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO WATCH ALL OF THOSE EVENTS BECOMING ACTUAL STAPLES FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MY UPDATE, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MISS BRANDON COUNSEL.
[9. Staff Reports Public Works update Development Hub update]
TO STAFF REPORTS.FIRST ONE IS PUBLIC WORKS UPDATE WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ELLISON.
GOOD EVENING, MS. ELLISON IN THIS UPDATE, I'LL FOCUS ON SOME OF THE IMPACTS WE'VE SEEN FROM THE RAIN AND, UH, AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON THE WASTEWATER PLANT AS WELL.
AND THEN DAN AND MICHAEL, UH, FOLLOW ME WITH SOME UPDATES ON THE
UM, SO WE'VE HAD A GOOD COUPLE OF WEEKS OF RAIN.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE LAKES HAVE NOT, UM, RISEN.
THEY'RE NOT DROPPING, UM, IT'S HAD LITTLE IMPACT OTHER THAN, UM, AGAIN, THEY HAVEN'T HAVEN'T DECLINED.
SO WHEN I LAST REPORTED OR WHEN I REPORTED LAST MONTH, TWICE, SO ON AUGUST 1ST, THEY WERE AT 58% AND THEN BY AUGUST 15TH, THEY DROPPED TO 56% AND THEN THE RAINS CAME AND THEY'VE STILL STAYED AT 56%.
SO THEY'RE JUST KIND OF HOLDING STEADY, UM, RIGHT THERE.
SIMILARLY, UM, DROUGHT IS STILL PERSISTING, BUT YOU KNOW, IMPROVING OF COURSE, UH, 50% OF TEXAS IS STILL IN A SEVERE DROUGHT.
WE CAN SEE WHERE LET'S SEE RIGHT OVER THERE, UM, WHERE WE WERE AT THAT EXCEPTIONAL TWO EXTREME DROUGHT.
SO NOW WE'VE KIND OF COME DOWN A DEGREE TO JUST EXTRACT JUST EXTREME, TO SEVERE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A MODERATE DROUGHT, UH, KIND OF PEEKING THROUGH ON THE EASTERN PART OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
SO, UM, 76% OF TEXAS IS STILL IN THAT MODERATE TO EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT, BUT THAT IS DOWN FROM LAST WEEK WHERE IT WAS 87%.
SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, LOOKING A LITTLE BETTER, WHAT IS LOOKING BETTER IS OUR USAGE.
UM, SO THOSE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS OF AUGUST, UM, THEY WERE DRY.
THEY WERE HOT AND WE HAD AN AVERAGE OF 18 AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
WE ALSO SAW OUR PEAK OF 20.4 AND THEN THE RAINS CAME AND WE AVERAGED 11.2 FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THAT'S ABOUT A 40% REDUCTION, WHICH IS HUGE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO SEEN, UM, OUR MINIMUM OF 9.8, WHICH IS ALMOST UNHEARD OF IN AUGUST.
SO OVER 50% DROP IN OUR USAGE, JUST FROM THE RAIN, UH, SIMILAR ACTUALLY NOT SIMILARLY MORE SO WITH GEORGETOWN, UH, THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN WATER SINCE AUGUST 21ST.
SO THEY'VE HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT REDUCTION WHERE THEY WERE AVERAGING THAT 1.7 WITH A PEAK OF 2.3 AND NOW THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING.
SO, UM, LIBERTY HILL HAD A REDUCTION AS WELL, NOT QUITE AS SIGNIFICANT, BUT THEY ARE DOWN ABOUT 16%, UM, ON THEIR USAGE OR ON WHAT THEY ARE USING FROM US.
I WANTED TO GIVE A COUPLE UPDATES ON THE WASTEWATER PLANT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE CIP PROJECTS.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF, UM, THE NEW SLUDGE PROCESSING UNIT.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR PROJECTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THIS IS THE SCREW PRESS UNIT AND IT'S SHINY AND NEW.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE UNIT INSTALLED RIGHT HERE.
UH, THIS IS OUR OLD UNIT OVER 20 YEARS OLD AND IT'S SEEN BETTER DAYS.
SO, UM, ONCE THIS UNIT IS ONLINE HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, HOPEFULLY, UM, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S GOOD TO GO LET IT RUN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND THEN WE'LL DECOMMISSION THAT OLD ONE.
AND THEN ONCE THAT ONE'S DECOMMISSIONED, WE WILL PUT A SECOND UNIT HERE AND THEN THEIR SPACE KIND OF OVER IN THIS AREA FOR A THIRD UNIT.
SO AS WE UPGRADE, UM, OR EXPAND THE PLANT, UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE SLED PROCESSING.
THE OTHER PROJECT OUT AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT IS THE AERATION.
UM, THE FINE BUBBLE OPERATIONS IS PHASE TWO OF OUR OPERATION PROJECT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE CRANE, UH, INTRODUCING THE EQUIPMENT.
SO, UM, LET'S SEE, I CAN GET MY NOTES.
UM, THE SOUTH BASIN AND THE NORTH BASIN, THE SOUTH BASIN WAS TAKEN OFFLINE FIRST, UH, AND CLEANED.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED SO THAT THE EQUIPMENT SITS PROPERLY IN THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE BASIN.
SO, UM, SO THAT WAS TAKEN OFFLINE, CLEANED THAT EVERYTHING WAS INSTALLED, IT WAS FILLED BACK UP.
AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK WE TOOK DOWN THE NORTH BASE AND BEGAN TO CLEAN IT.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE INDICATION THAT WE WERE OUT OF PERMIT.
SO WE PUT THE, PUT THE BASIN BACK ONLINE WITHOUT THE FINE BUBBLERS, BECAUSE THEY CAN BE INSTALLED WITH WATER IN THERE, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY
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NEEDS TO BE CLEANED.AND IT'S A LITTLE EASIER IF YOU DO IT WHILE THEY'RE EMPTY.
SO, UM, WE PUT THE NORTH BASIN BACK ONLINE, UM, FAIRLY QUICKLY WITHIN THE DAY, UH, TO KIND OF GET THAT AIR GOING AND GET US BACK, UM, OPERATING PROPERLY.
AND THEN LAST PICTURE, UM, THIS IS JUST THE BLOWERS, UM, CONTROL PANELS AND STUFF ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, THE AERATION EQUIPMENT.
UM, REMEMBER LAST OF COURSE, UH, BEFORE LAST MEETING, WE ISSUED THE PUBLIC NOTICE ABOUT OUR, UM, EXCEEDANCE OF OUR PERMIT.
WE NOTIFIED THE MEDIA, UM, SIGNS THAT THE CREEK CROSSINGS, WE, UH, HANDED OUT NOTICES TO THE DOMESTIC WELL OWNERS THAT ARE ON RECORD WITH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.
AND, UH, WE WERE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH TCQ FROM THE START.
SO, UM, DAILY TO BEGIN WITH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TOWARDS THE END OF THE WEEKS, WE STARTED GIVING THEM UPDATES.
UM, THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WITH OUR EFFORTS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE ACCELERATED THE INSTALLATION AND OPERATION OF THE TWO, UH, AIRATION BASIN.
SO THE SOUTH BASIN WENT ONLINE ON AUGUST 19TH AND THEN THE NORTH BASIN ON THE 26TH AND THEN, UM, CONTINUOUS TESTING AND INSPECTION, UH, PLANT THE CREEK.
WE DID IN-HOUSE TESTING, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OFF-SITE TESTING THAT WE DO AS WELL.
SO IN THE BEGINNING, WE WERE SAMPLING MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY AT NIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE OFFSITE, WE CONTINUED WITH TWO TIMES A WEEK TESTING.
SO, UM, AND THE INITIAL VISIT WITH TCQ, UH, THEY HAD NOTIFIED TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, UM, BECAUSE THE AQUATIC DAMAGE AND, UM, THEY WANTED TO MONITOR, MONITOR THE DISSOLVED OXYGEN IN THE CREEK, AND THEN ALL THE RAIN STARTED COMING AND WE WERE ALREADY MONITORING THE CREEK AND THIS WAS JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO DO IT.
SO WE OFFERED TO, UH, TO DO THAT FOR THEM.
AND THEY WERE HAPPY THAT WE DID THAT.
SO SOME OF THESE ARE THOSE OXYGEN LEVELS OF THE CREEK AT THE THREE CROSSINGS THAT WE, WE IDENTIFIED.
AND, UM, SO WHEN IT LEAVES THE PLANT, IT NEEDS TO BE ABOVE A SIX, UM, FOR THE OXYGEN.
SO THAT'S THAT BLUE LINE UP TOP.
UH, I MENTIONED THAT WE GOT THE SOUTH BASIN ONLINE ON THE 19TH, SO YOU CAN SEE, WE WERE KIND OF HURTING A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN ONCE WE JUMPED UP AND ALL THE BASINS WERE ONLINE, UH, PROVIDING THAT OXYGEN, IT STAYED UP IN THAT RANGE.
AND WHILE THERE'S NO REGULATION OR REALLY A BASELINE FOR THE CREEK CROSSINGS, YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRENDED UP.
UM, BUT THEY'RE VERY VARIABLE IN THE CREEK.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF FACTORS.
SO WE TESTED THROUGH THE CREEK, UM, THROUGH AUGUST 26TH AND PROVIDED THESE TO TCQ AND THEY WERE GOOD AND THEY SAID WE COULD STOP, UM, STOP TESTING IN THE CREEK AND THEN WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE IN-HOUSE TESTING.
SO, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE MONITOR.
UM, THE CHLORINE HAS TO BE WITHIN THAT ONE TO FOUR RANGE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY STEADY THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO DECLARE NATE, SO IT NEEDS, YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT, BUT IT'S DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, IT NEEDS TO BE LESS THAN A 0.1 WHEN IT HITS THE CREEK.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE ALMOST ALL OF THE CORN OUT BEFORE WE PUT IT IN THE CREEK.
AND THEN I MENTIONED THE, UM, THE OXYGEN HAS TO BE ABOVE A SIX.
SO THERE'S, UH, UH, SEVERAL OFFSITE LABORATORY TESTS THAT TAKE FIVE DAYS TO TURN AROUND SOME OF THE TESTS TAKE THAT LONG TO DO.
UM, SO WE TEST ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY AND THEN WE USUALLY GET THE RESULTS THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF LAG ON THERE.
SO WE RECEIVED TEST RESULTS YESTERDAY, UM, SHOWING THAT OUR PHOSPHOROUS ECO-LINE F KOLAI ARE ALL IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY'VE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE THE WHOLE TIME.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
UH, OUR CBOD WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE, BUT IS NOW IN COMPLIANCE AS OF YESTERDAY.
AND THEN WE ARE STILL, UH, SLIGHTLY OUT, BUT IMPROVING ON OUR TSS AND AMMONIA.
SO, UM, WE STARTED TESTING, UH, DAILY, STARTING MONDAY, SO WE CAN START TO SEE THOSE KIND OF REAL CAUSE WE KNOW THE PLANT IS DOING WELL AND IT'S PROBABLY IN COMPLIANCE, BUT WE NEED THOSE TEST RESULTS TO BE SURE.
SO, UM, WE ARE TESTING DAILY AND, UM, BUT THERE'S THAT FIVE DAY LAG.
SO WE HOPE TO START SEEING RESULTS EITHER TODAY.
TOMORROW WOULD BE THE FIRST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY CAUSE IT'S FIVE DAYS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE HOLIDAYS.
SO, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE DAN JENSEN, I JUST WANTED TO SEND A BIG THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
WE SAW THE, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM TCEQ THAT THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH HOW WELL Y'ALL HAVE HANDLED THIS.
COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MS. ELLISON.
GOOD EVENING, MR. GRANTSVILLE.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, DAN GRIMSBY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, UM, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BCR UA.
SO YES, THAT WAS A GOOD ON THE STAFF ON THE WHOLE, UM, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, MY LAST CITY HAD SIX WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND, UH,
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AT LEAST SMOKES.SO, UM, A QUICK, QUICK RUNDOWN HERE ON THE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING.
UM, AUGUST 8TH IS WHEN THE LEAK WAS FOUND DURING A ROUTINE INSPECTION AS A REMINDER.
UH, YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES OF THE, OF THE PIPE.
I'VE SHOWN THOSE BEFORE AND THE LOCATION 36 INCH LINE.
UM, WE WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY SEVERAL MEETINGS, BUT TO INCLUDE LAST WEEK.
UM, THE OCS MET ON, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH REPAIRS AND THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, CONTRACT AND SO FORTH.
UM, THE BCRF DID PASS THEIR RESOLUTION, UM, AUGUST 24TH AUTHORIZING THE PRESIDENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT.
AND, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT REPAIR, UH, CAME IN, UM, AT 1.6 MILLION, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE CONTRACTOR VERIFIED THAT IN WRITING AND PROVIDED THAT TO THE VCR AND THEY'RE WORKING ON FINALIZING THE CONTRACT.
UM, WE KNOW THAT'S AN ESTIMATED 10 TO 14 DAYS, UH, TO MAKE THE REPAIR.
AND THEN THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE BCR HAVING TO SHUT DOWN AND THEN WE START BACK UP, UM, BECAUSE, UH, IT JUST TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND THAT IS, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE LESS TIME IF, IF WE CAN KEEP THE WATER AND ACTUALLY THE LINE INSTEAD OF THE TRAINING FROM THE PLAN ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, THE PLAN IS TO DO THAT.
AND THEN TONIGHT, UM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 32, UH, COUNSEL, UM, WE'LL HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, APPROVE, UM, THE CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD, UM, FOR THE REPAIRS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, WITH THAT CONTRACT.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S KIND OF A TIMELINE OF WHAT'S OCCURRING.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT TO SAY WE'RE IN WEEK ONE, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND SEEKING AUTHORIZATION FROM THE COUNCILS WHERE TONIGHT, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO CITIES ARE NEXT WEEK.
UM, WHEN THEY GO TO THEIR COUNCILS, UM, WITH A SIMILAR RESOLUTION, UM, APPROVING THE VCRS RESOLUTION AND THEN WEEK TWO YOU'RE WE'RE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING OUT WITH MOBILIZING THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, IT'LL BE A LARGE CRANE AND A BARGE AND THEN THE LANDING AREA WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, GO FROM AND RETURN TO, UM, WITH THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, AND THEN WEEK THREE IS, UH, PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE PARTS ON HAND.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT THE PLANT, UM, SITTING THERE, COUNCIL MEMBER YOU SAW WHEN YOU TOURED.
SO, UM, BUT THEY'LL PREP HIM UP AND GET HIM READY, PUT TOGETHER AND HAVE THEM READY TO GO.
UM, FOR INSTALLATION AND INTERIM PREP WORK ON THE ACTUAL SITE, UM, THERE'S SOME DEBRIS AND, AND MISCELLANEOUS CONCRETE, OTHER THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE REPAIRS.
AND THEN WEEK FOUR IS, UM, UH, AS WE INDICATED AND I ISOLATE THE, A WATER LINE, THERE'S THREE LARGER BOBS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SECURE AND HOPEFULLY KEEP THE WATER BASICALLY FROM THE PLANT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LAKE, THAT WHOLE, UM, WATER PART OF IT.
AND THEN, SO WE ONLY HAVE TO FILL UP A MUCH SMALLER PORTION ON THE LINE AND THEN THEY'LL START MAKING THE REPAIRS ONCE IT'S ISOLATED.
AND THEN THE LAST WEEK IS, UH, HOPEFULLY THE REPAIRS ARE DONE AND THEY'LL DO FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS TO HOPEFULLY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS, IS, UH, GOOD TO GO, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPAIR.
UM, YOU SAW THIS SLIDE EARLIER AND PART OF THE REPAIR AND MIKE TALKED ON MIKE, MIKE, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT DURING THAT REPAIR, WE, WE HAVE TO GET THE WATER USAGE OF THE CITY DOWN TO 9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
AND SO IN THE DEAD OF WINTER, WE DO THAT PRETTY EASILY BECAUSE NO ONE'S WATERING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHILE WE, WE BROUGHT THIS BACK UP, IS THAT WHEN IT WAS DRY, WHERE AT 1819, AND THEN WHEN WE WERE WET, IT GOES DOWN AND YOU SEE THAT 7 MILLION GALLON DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS HUGE, THAT'S ALL IRRIGATION.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GO INTO WINTER, IT EVEN DROPS MORE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE USING LESS WATER FOR MAYBE OTHER THINGS.
SO WE CAN GET AS LOW AS, UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT OR NINE IN THAT, IN THAT RANGE, MAYBE EVEN SEVEN AT SOMETIMES.
UM, SO DURING THE REPAIR, UM, WE REALLY GOT TO WORK ON THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN AND FOR THE CITY TO SAY, OKAY, EVERYBODY TURN OFF YOUR OUTSIDE WATERING.
I MEAN, DON'T EVEN LEAVE IT ON LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RAIN TO HIT.
UM, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE'RE GETTING RAIN AND WE'RE GOING TO GET RAINED FOR ON AND OFF FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO I THINK THE LAWNS FOR THE MOST PART CAN KIND OF COAST IN THE WINTER
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WOULD BE THE, MAYBE THE PHRASE OF THE DAY.SO AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING THIS TO SHOW, UM, THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD WATER PRESSURE AND DISTRIBUTION OF WATER, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE SHOOTING FOR THAT 9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
UM, THE ONLY LAST THING I HAVE BEFORE MIKE COMES UP IS THAT WE GOT A MESSAGE JUST HOT OFF THE PRESS HOURS AGO AND NOT EVEN HOURS AGO, UM, 5 49.
SO YOU GET, YOU'RE GETTING THAT BREAKING NEWS AND TH AND IT'S UNFORTUNATELY GOOD NEWS.
SO THEY DID ANOTHER INSPECTION OF THE PIPE TODAY AND THE LEAK, THE LEAK IS WORSENING, AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SMALLER LEAK ON A DIFFERENT JOINT BECAUSE, UM, THE PIPES KINDA END UP PROCURIOUS SITUATION.
UM, IT WAS KIND OF STRAPPED DOWN TO TRY TO MAINTAIN STABILITY WHERE THAT'S, UM, KIND OF ACTING IN AN, UH, COUNTER PRODUCTIVE MANNER THAT IS PUTTING STRAIN ON A PIPE AND PULLING IT DOWN.
AND SO IT'S BENDING THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS LEAKING THAT BIG LEAGUE AND IT'S PULLING ON THE TOP ON ANOTHER DIFFERENT JOINT AND IT'S CAUSING THE TOP PART OF THAT TO LEAK.
SO, UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MONITORING IT.
AND, UH, NEXT TUESDAY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN AND DOING ANOTHER EVALUATION.
AND DURING THAT TIME, UM, THE CONTRACTOR STARTING TO MOBILIZATION, UM, WE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS FROM THE ENGINEER RECORD IS NOT TO CUT THE STRAP YET BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES THAT IT'S STILL STABLE.
UM, IF THEY GO DOWN AND CUT THE STRAP, THEY CAN, THAT MIGHT RELIEVE IT.
THE DILEMMA IS THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT IN PLACE TO MAKE THE REPAIRS, AND IF IT CAUSED WORSE CONDITION, UM, WE'RE NOT READY YET.
WE NEED TO GET EVERYTHING READY BEFORE WE START TAKING ANY, I WOULD CONSIDER SEVERE ACTIONS.
THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT DID THE REPORT INDICATES THAT IF WE REALLY STARTED GETTING DRAMATICALLY WORSE THAN THAT MIGHT BE A STEP WE HAVE TO TAKE BEFORE WE GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING OUT AS I THINK, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO I'M STANDING BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT.
OH, THANK YOU, MR. GRANDPA COUNSEL.
SO THAT 1.6 MILLION NUMBER THAT WAS SHARED WITH BCR UA LAST WEEK FOR THE REPAIR FOR THE CURRENT IS REALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE NOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH NO, BECAUSE OF WHERE THE LEAK WHERE IT'S OCCURRING IS A COMPONENT THAT WILL BE REPLACED.
IT'S ONE OF THE PIECES SITTING ON THE, ON THE DECK RIGHT NOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED.
UM, SO, AND IF IT'S JUST A GASKET WITHIN THE ACTUAL, THEN, UM, THEY CAN TAKE THE PIPE APART, YOU KNOW, REPLACE THE GASKETS AND THEN RE SPRING IT BACK INTO WHERE IT WOULD BE SO THAT IT'S NOT PULLING ON, YOU KNOW, I EQUATE IT TO YOU PULL ON YOUR HOSE AND THEN THE BIBS STARTS LEAKING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE PULLING TOO HARD.
UM, SO YOU, YOU KNOW, THE GASKET COULD BE DISPATCHED, BUT YOU'RE PULLING ON IT TOO HARD, BUT AS SOON AS YOU LET IT GO AND TIGHTEN IT BACK DOWN, YOU'RE ALL GOOD.
SO, UM, SO THE COST MAY NOT CHANGE IT.
IT JUST KINDA DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO A PREVIOUS COMPANY HAD DONE REPAIRS ON THIS PART BEFORE, RIGHT? SO IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY.
IT'S A COMPANY THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THE DEEP WATER INTAKE.
SO THEY'RE VERY WITH THE UNDERWATER WORK AND THEY'RE A SUBCONTRACTOR TO THE ACTUAL MAIN CONTRACTOR.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, I WANT TO SAY, UH, IF I HAVE IT RIGHT, GLOBE SAY GLOBAL.
AND SO, UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THIS COMPANY THAT WE'RE GOING TO POSSIBLY APPROVE TO PAY, TO FIX THIS, TO FIX IT AGAIN, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THIS WAS A PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT APPROVED THE LAST REPAIR.
AND, AND SO NOW WE'RE, HOW DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THAT THIS TIME? UM, CAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO'S GOING TO DRILL THE LAKE.
SO IT'S A THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU GO TO YOUR LOCAL KIND OF GARAGE TO GET YOUR CAR FIXED AND YOU HAVE A MERCEDES AND THEY KIND OF FIX IT.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE YOUR MERCEDES TO A MERCEDES DEALER, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SURE IT'S GOING TO GET FIXED WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE PIPE ON A FIXED BY THE MERCEDES DEALER.
SO SIR, DAN, DID YOU, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ORIGINAL BREAK IN DECEMBER OF 20, THE, THE LARGER ENGINEERING REPORT, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER
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CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THE ENTIRE LINE WAS NOT UP TO PAR MEETING THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, CORRECT.SO THAT, THAT, AND THAT BASICALLY IT STATED THAT THEY WERE SURPRISED IT HADN'T BROKEN SOONER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REPLACING AT 1500 LINEAR FEET.
UM, THE DESIGNS ACTUALLY UNDERWAY AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK.
THAT'S THE $5 MILLION THAT WE GOT FROM THE COUNTY THROUGH ARPA FUNDS TO MAKE THAT REPAIR.
NOW, IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY MORE THAN, UH, THAN THE $5 MILLION, BUT, UM, THAT $5 MILLION THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDED THE BCRA WILL GO A LONG WAYS TO MAKE THAT NEEDED PERMANENT REPAIR.
BECAUSE REMEMBER, THIS HAS GOT TO LAST FOR, YOU KNOW, FIVE MORE YEARS, HOPEFULLY NOT SIX, BUT AT LEAST FIVE TO THE DEEP WATER INTAKE GETS ON.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S ON, THEN THAT LINE AND ALL THE ASSOCIATED BARGES OR ARE NOT NEEDED ANYMORE.
SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SOLUTION PART OF IT, HOW I'M, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS NOT YOU, BUT OUR, OUR CONSERVATION SPECIALIST, UH, GETTING THAT COMPLIANCE FROM RESIDENTS.
DO WE HAVE, CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE PROCESSES I'M GOING TO LET MIKE, MIKE'S GOING TO DO THAT, ANSWER THE QUESTION.
CAN I ASK BEFORE MR. NEW COMES UP? LET'S FINISH OUR QUESTIONS WITH YOU.
SO ARE THERE PLANS TO CHANGE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE INSPECTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON A REGULAR BASIS CAUGHT THIS ON THE FRONT END, ARE THERE PLANS TO CHANGE THAT FREQUENCY AT ALL WHILE THIS IS DONE OR AFTER IT'S DONE? RIGHT.
WE WERE DOING IT WEEKLY FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THEN WE SHIFTED TO MONTHLY.
UM, SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS REPAIR IS MORE, UH, PERMANENT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN SUPPORT FOUNDATIONS TO HOLD THE LINE IN PLACE.
SO AT THIS POINT Y'ALL FEEL THAT STAYING ON THAT MONTHLY TRACK WILL BE OKAY.
AND IF IT, IF IT REALLY SHOWS, THEN MAYBE WE CAN REDUCE IT.
UM, NO, I JUST APPRECIATE THAT IT WAS CAUGHT ON THE EARLY SIDE OF THIS BEFORE WE GOT LATER IN THE GAME.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, STILL MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND KEEPING THAT MAINTENANCE PIECE UP JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING.
WELL, UM, AGAIN, HOPEFULLY, UM, AND THAT HOPEFULLY, CAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT THE NEW, THE NEW LINE AND IT REPLACED THAT LINE, YOU KNOW, BY NEXT WINTER.
AND SO UNTIL THAT, UNTIL THAT WE'LL, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO THE KEEP INSPECTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, CONTINUATION OF, OF, UM, ISSUES, BUT WHEN THE NEW LINES IN, THEY SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, HOW WEATHER IMPACTS THIS.
UM, WE HEARD ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE RAIN AND WATER USE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, STORMS OFF AND ON THROUGHOUT, INCLUDING TUESDAY, UM, DO STORMS IMPACT THE ABILITY OF THE DIVERS TO GET INTO THE WATER, TO INSPECT AND REPAIR? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IF IT'S WINDY ENOUGH, IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE, THE DYE WAS SO MUCH, IT WOULD BE THE BARGE AND THE CRANE THAT'S ON TOP OF THE BARGE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TRYING TO MOVE PIECES OF PIPE UNDERNEATH THERE.
UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE WAVE ACTION WAS TOO DRAMATIC OR THE WIND, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE A BEARING ON, ON WORK.
SO LUCKILY THE STORE, LUCKILY THE STORMS RECENTLY I'VE BEEN SLOW MOVING AND MINOR AND PRETTY, UH, PRETTY WIDESPREAD, SO.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM MR. GRANTSVILLE? ALRIGHT, MR. NEW EUROPE.
THANK YOU, MR. GREENSVILLE, TH THE ONLY THING TO KIND OF A SEGUE TO WHAT MIKE'S GONNA UPDATE US ON IS THAT IF WE GO BACK TO, I WANT TO SAY, UH, MARCH, APRIL, WE WERE AT A, UH, AVERAGING EIGHT AND A HALF MGD.
SO THIS IS DOABLE GETTING TO THAT, HAVING THIS, THIS RAIN THAT WE HAVE AND THE CONTINUED RAIN.
AND I THINK MIKE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS, THE MESSAGING, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE, UH, LARGE WATER USERS THAT MIGHT NOT COMPLY, BUT KIND OF AN UNPLUG IT AND LEAVE IT ALONE DURING THE PERIOD OF THE REPAIR APPROACH, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MARTIN, YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS GOLDEN SOLUTION THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT IS, IS REALLY, IT, IT SOUNDS EASY.
JUST TURN OFF YOUR SPRINKLERS.
UM, REALISTICALLY WE ALL LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'VE SEEN NEIGHBORS THAT STILL WATER.
UM, WE KNOW HOW PEOPLE WILL BEHAVE, UH, WHEN THE TEMPERATURES ARE HIGHER, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR LAST BREAK.
IT WAS EASY FOR REALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THE, THE ENVIRONMENT REALLY DIDN'T DICTATE SPRINKLERS NEEDING TO COME ON.
THE CHALLENGE HERE WILL BE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT ASKING ABOUT THE WEATHER.
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RAIN IS A POSITIVE THING.IT DOES DRAW DOWN DEMAND BECAUSE SPRINKLERS ARE AUTOMATIC FOR MANY FOLKS, PROBABLY MOST OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT DOES MASK WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ACHIEVING THE COMPLIANCE AND A CONSISTENT COMPLIANCE THAT WE'LL BE NEEDING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE REPAIR.
SO 10 TO 14 DAYS STRAIGHT OF RAIN WOULD BE A GODSEND.
WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN'T RELY ON THAT.
SO WE'LL BE EMPLOYING REALLY EVERY TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.
NOW WE ARE STILL HAVING CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY AND WE'RE ENGAGING NEARLY EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY ON THIS, ON PUTTING OUT A MESSAGE BOARDS AT DISTINCT GATEWAY POINTS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, DOING A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL SELF MAILER, UH, PROMOTING THE, UM, THE TRANSITION TO PHASE FOUR AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING OUR RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIAL ENTITIES TO DO.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER ACTION STEPS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AS FAR AS THE FEASIBILITY, UM, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, ENGAGED OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM AND OUR CONSERVATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR TO ACTUALLY IN A DOOR TO DOOR APPROACH.
UM, PHYSICALLY OBSERVING THE VIOLATIONS EARLY IN THE MORNING.
WE DO KNOW THE PEAKS MOST WATERING TIMES FOR ALL OF THE, UM, SUBDIVISION AREAS WE'VE OBSERVED JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, ALL OF THEM ARE, ARE PEAKING, UH, BETWEEN ABOUT 1:00 AM FIVE AND 6:00 AM.
SO THAT WINDOW IS THE IRRIGATION WINDOW FOR MOST FOLKS.
WE DO KNOW THAT IF THERE WERE, IF WE DID HAVE A SEVERE DROP IN PRESSURE, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE WOULD LOSE IT, THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR BOTTOM OUT PERIOD.
SO, UH, WE DO KNOW IRRIGATION COULD BE OUR, OUR BIGGEST, UH, FOCUS POINT.
SO EARNING OUT SOME OF THOSE FINER POINTS, BUT, UM, I WOULD SUSPECT, AND WE STILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE CONDITION OF THE LINE, IF IT IS IN, IN A VERY WORSENING CONDITION.
AND WE DO THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEGRADE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS, THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE OUR PLAN.
THAT MAY CHANGE OUR PLAN FROM CONTINGENT EMERGENCY TO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PLAN FOR AN EMERGENCY SOONER.
UM, BUT WE ARE ENGAGING, UH, ENTITIES LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OUR PARTNER CITIES, BCRA PARTNER CITIES, AND OUR WHOLESALE, UH, CUSTOMER CITIES.
WE ARE ENGAGING THOSE CONTACTS.
UM, AND WE WILL EMPLOY EVERY TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO NOTIFY.
IF WE DO TRANSITION INTO SOMETHING LIKE PHASE FOUR OR EVEN PHASE THREE, WE DID INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, A TRANSITION TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE STAGES.
WE WILL USE OUR REGIONAL NOTIFICATION SYSTEM TO DO THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE SHAPE LAYERS FOR NOT ONLY EVERYONE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, BUT ALSO OUR ATJ WATER CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, RANCHO SANTA SUBDIVISION AND SOME OTHERS.
UM, SO WE'RE MODIFYING THOSE NOW, UH, IN PREPARATION FOR PROBABLY AN IMMINENT NOTIFICATION.
WE DON'T HAVE A DATE EXACTLY NAILED DOWN.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT TARGET JUST YET, BUT AS WE'RE PLANNING THROUGH, THROUGH THESE ACTION STEPS, WE WILL NOTIFY COUNCIL.
I THINK AS SOON AS TOMORROW, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUS ON SOME OF THESE STEPS AND A TIMELINE FOR OUR PLAN.
SO WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH COUNCIL AS A GROUP.
ARE WE WORKING WITH MR. MAYA ON THE CONTINGENCIES? ABSOLUTELY.
IN FACT, UM, SOME OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND PARTNERS, UM, THAT WE TYPICALLY COMMUNICATE WITH AND, AND CLYDE BRIDGET STILL HERE, SHE'LL BE ONE OF THOSE TWO.
UM, WE'RE DOING SOME OF THAT PRE-PLANNING NOW AND RAYMOND IS ENGAGED ON THAT.
SO HE'S PART OF THAT TEAM THAT, UM, ALL OF THE PREP WORK WE CAN DO SHORT OF, UH, MAKING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS, LIKE PHASE FOUR, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS NOW.
AND THEN JUST A THOUGHT, UM, THE MAILERS ARE GREAT, BUT I THINK IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO NOT NOTICE THEM AND JUST TOSS THEM WITH, UM, WITH THEIR, THEIR JUNK MAIL.
AND ALSO PEOPLE LIKE ME ONLY CHECK THEIR MAIL ONCE A MONTH OR SO.
UM, AND SO WHAT ABOUT LIKE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE DOOR HANGERS OR SOMETHING THAT GETS AN IMMEDIATE NOTICE FROM PEOPLE? IF, IF WE CAN EXTEND OUR FOOT TRAFFIC RESOURCES TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE WILL TRY THAT.
I THINK I'M HITTING MAILBOXES.
WE CAN, WE CAN HIRE A COMPANY THAT CAN ENGAGE A MAILING ADDRESSES.
WE DO THAT FOR A FALL CLEANUP.
WE'VE DONE THAT FOR OUR PHASES, MAILER THAT INITIATED LAST SPRING AND OUR TIER RATE CHANGES.
SO WE DO THINK THAT'S, UH, EFFECTIVE IN ONE SENSE, WE'LL ALSO UTILIZE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS AND OUR DOOR HANGERS.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY USING DOOR HANGERS FOR OUR ENFORCEMENT.
SO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OUR, UM, CONSERVATION PROGRAMS COORDINATOR THEY'RE USING, UTILIZING THAT WHEN WE OBSERVED VIOLATIONS TODAY, THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING OUR CERT TEAM COULD PROBABLY HANDLE WE COULDN'T.
AND I THINK PART OF TOMORROW'S DISCUSSION WILL BE WHAT, UH, EXISTING, UM, AND READY, UH, VOLUNTEER GROUPS DO WE HAVE THAT WE CAN DEPLOY TO ASSIST WITH SOME OF THIS.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL FOR THE QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT HUB UPDATE WITH EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
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GOOD EVENING, MS. GRIFFIN.UM, I'M GIVING AN UPDATE ON OUR DEVELOPMENT HUB.
UM, WE'VE HAD A REALLY FUN WEEK.
WE DID A SOFT LAUNCH, UM, FOR ALL THE PLANNING APPLICATIONS.
SO WE HAD A COUPLE TEST CASES WHERE PEOPLE TURNED IN THEIR APPLICATION THROUGH THE ONLINE SYSTEM.
IT WORKED, I WAS ABLE TO SEE THEM, SO WE FELT REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT.
UM, WE ALSO TOOK PAPER AS A BACKUP IN CASE THINGS DIDN'T GO WELL.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT DOING THE FULL LAUNCH RIGHT NOW.
UM, MY PERMIT NOW HAS HAD SOME ISSUES.
UM, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IT IN SEPTEMBER.
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET US OUR DATA IN TIME.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE FULL PROGRAM LAUNCHED OCTOBER 24TH, UNLESS SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THE PAPER PART WILL BE OVER SOON.
SO NEXT WEEK WE'RE HOPING WE'LL GET MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD.
AND BY THE END OF THE MONTH, WE'LL ALL BE PAPERLESS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUN TO HAVE TWO SYSTEMS, BUT IT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT NEW PERMITS WILL BE COMING THROUGH ON THE NEW SYSTEM IS JUST THE OLDER ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PROGRESS HAVE TO BE DOING.
WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE TWO, TWO PROCESSES.
SO YOU HAVE THE PLANNING APPLICATIONS AND YOU HAVE THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS, PERMIT APPLICATIONS, OR BUILDING PERMITS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH MY PERMIT.
NOW THOSE ARE GOING TO STAY WITH MY PERMIT NOW.
ALL THE PAPER APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE PLANNING, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO START GOING THROUGH INNER GOV.
SO PROCESS, WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA CONVERSION PIECE OF IT TO DO THE PERMIT PART.
SO PART OF IT'S CHUGGING ALONG.
WE JUST SAID, WE JUST GOT THE DATE, UM, ABOUT TWO HOURS AGO.
UM, JUST PUT IT ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SEND A NOTICE.
UM, THERE WILL BE A, UM, SHUTDOWN RIGHT BEFORE THAT.
THAT'S WHEN OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.
UM, IT'LL BE THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE 24TH AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A SHUTDOWN FOR EVERYTHING.
SO IT'LL SHUT DOWN PLANNING AS WELL AS PERMITS.
UM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PLAN AHEAD.
MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ITEM 16 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.AND ITEM 18 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
COUNSEL, YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 10 THROUGH 15 AND 17 AND 19 THROUGH 22 MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[18. Approval of an Ordinance establishing a 55 mph speed limit on northbound Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard from the south city limit at Cedar Park to 1,000 feet south of Kauffman Loop and southbound Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard from approximately 1,000 feet south of Kauffman Loop to the south city limit at Cedar Park.]
APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A 55 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON NORTHBOUND RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD FROM THE SOUTH CITY LIMIT AT CEDAR PARK TO 1000 FEET, SOUTH OF KAUFFMAN LOOP AND SOUTHBOUND RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD FROM APPROXIMATELY 1000 FEET SOUTH OF KAUFFMAN LOOP TO THE SOUTH CITY LIMIT AT CEDAR PARK IS THE ENGINEERED BLACK HEADER.AND YOU ATTEND TO THIS ORDINANCE IS TO CREATE A SINGLE, EXCUSE ME, A SINGLE UNIFIED SPIN ON IT FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF RONALD REAGAN.
WE RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED THE 45 MILE AN HOUR IN THE VICINITY, THE HEB FOR ABOUT 3000 FEET, SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 29, THAT WILL REMAIN DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF CONGESTION AND COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC DUE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THE NUMBER OF STORES WHERE THERE'S ALSO A SECTION OF THE ROADWAY THAT HAS A 50 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT IN THE SYDNEY OF PULMONARY RIDGE.
IT TURNS OUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY AT THAT POINT DUE TO THE GEOMETRY OF THE ROADWAY AND THE VISIBILITY'S OF THE ROAD.
WE DO HAVE A QUARTER STUDY UNDERWAY, BUT HE WAS ALL OURS, WHICH WE'VE RECEIVED A DRAFT REPORT AND THEY WERE APPLYING, UH, RECOMMENDING A 55 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH, UH, DUE TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION METHODS AND PRACTICES FOR SETTING SPEED LIMITS ON A RURAL DIVIDED ROADWAY TO MAKE IT 55 IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE NUMBER OF, UH, INTERSECTIONS.
IT'S SIX MILE SECTION OF ROAD, APPROXIMATELY THE HAS LEAST 12 INTERSECTIONS AND 44 PLUS DRIVEWAYS, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 55 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE SAFETY FOR ALL OF THE CITIZENS AND DEFINITELY IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION WHERE WE'D HAVE SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
DONALD, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? SO THESE ARE JUST MORE QUESTIONS AND THAT ANSWERS REALLY, UH, UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, SPEED DOES KILL.
AND SO I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT THE LOAD IS SPEED LIMIT.
THE SAFER IT IS FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
I GUESS JUST MY MAIN CONCERN IS BECAUSE I DRIVE
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WITH THAT ROADWAY.OFTEN, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN, PULL MY RIDGE AND GOT TO WITNESS THE SLOWDOWN AT 55, 50 MILES AN HOUR FOR OUR AREA, UH, DUE TO SOME CRASHES, JUST EVEN GOING INTO WORK TODAY.
PEOPLE ARE NOT EVEN COMPLIANT WITH THE 65 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO SOME TYPE OF, UM, SPEED DROP OR WHATEVER THAT CITIZENS ARE GOING TO SEE AS A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING BELOW 65, UH, AND THAT WAS DURING A PEAK TIME AS WELL.
AND THE, IN THE, IN THE MORNING, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOME PRETTY LONG SEGMENTS WITHOUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL FALLS TO A REPUBLIC.
WHAT IS THAT ABOUT A MILE MILE AND A HALF.
AND, UH, SO PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GAIN THAT SPEED.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF CONCERNED, UM, WITH THE LACK OF, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, NOT PUTTING THIS ON THE, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST THE LACK OF ENFORCEMENT AND GIVEN THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT, EVEN THOUGH A LARGE NUMBER DO EXCEED.
MY ESTIMATION IS THAT IF THE SPEED LIMIT 65, SOME PEOPLE WILL GO 75, YOU'VE CHANGED THE 75.
SOME PEOPLE WILL GO 85, RIGHT? SO WE'LL BRING HIM BACK DOWN TO 55 AND WE'LL GET THE GENERAL SPEED DOWN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY AS WELL, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT MANY STUDIES.
THEY JUST LOOKED AT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ROADWAY AND THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE CROSS STREETS AND CAME TO THIS DETERMINATION ABOUT AN 85 PERCENTILE OF WHAT DOES A NORMAL TRAFFIC DRIVES ON THAT ROADWAY? NO, THE 85TH PERCENTILE IS A STANDARD THAT'S FALLING INTO DISFAVOR NOWADAYS BECAUSE IT HAS A TENDENCY TO DRIVE SPEED ON ITS OWN.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD THAT EVERYONE IS SPEEDING ON 85TH PERCENTILE IS TOO HIGH.
AND THEN IF YOU BASE IT ON SPEED LIMIT ON THAT, THEN THEY'LL SPEED ABOVE THAT ONE.
AND SO IT'S TENDENCY TO GROW AND WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT TO A SAFE MEASURE THAT THE 85TH PERCENTILE WILL NOT SUPPORT SOME OTHER CONCERNS IS, I MEAN, CEDAR PARK, ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING WITH THEIR STRETCH OF RONALD REAGAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE 65 AS WELL? NOT AT THIS TIME, THERE'S THEIR SPEED LIMIT IS 60, UH, GENERALLY SOUTH OF WHITE STONE.
SOUTH THE WHITE STONE, BUT OURS IS 65 FOR THAT ENTIRE LENGTH.
EXCEPT FOR THAT SECTION IN THE VICINITY OF PALMER RIDGE.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS NORTH OF 29? I BELIEVE IT'S 65 MILES AN HOUR, BUT THAT'S GOING FROM RURAL TO AN URBAN SETTING, RIGHT.
JUST MY THOUGHT WAS IT'S GOING FROM 65 TO 45 AND THEN BACK UP TO 55.
WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MANY SPEED LIMIT CHANGES, RIGHT? AND SO THE 45 IS NECESSARY DUE TO THE CONGESTION OF THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IN THE AREA OF HEB AND THE NUMBER OF STORES THAT ARE BEING BUILT THERE.
EVEN AS WE SPEAK THE 55 IS A SLOWER, CONSISTENT SPEED FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF FRONT REAGAN, TILL YOU GET DOWN TO CEDAR PARK, DO WE HAVE ANY CRASH DATA? ARE CRASHES GOING UP BECAUSE OF THE SPEED LIMIT NOT BEING CHANGED? UH, NO, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT HIM TO THAT.
BUT MY GENERAL IMPRESSION IS THAT THE ROADWAY, THE TRAFFIC IS FLOWING TOO FAST AND IT'S TOO DANGEROUS.
COUNSEL THAT 180 3, THE FRONTAGE ROADS ON 180 3, A THAT SPEED LIMIT 60.
AND THAT THOSE PARTICULAR ROADS ARE A LOT LESS CONGESTED THAN RONALD REAGAN AND THAT SPEED LIMIT 16.
SO, YOU KNOW, 65 IS DEFINITELY FOR RONALD REAGAN WAS, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR TXDOT HAS THEIR SET AT 60.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT RONALD REAGAN IS ACTING LIKE A ARTERIAL ROAD, UM, WHEN, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILT THE CENTER PART, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE 15 OR 20 YEARS, IT IT'LL BE THEN AT A CONTROLLED ACCESS, JUST LIKE 180 3 8, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, LOOK AT IT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER ROADS THROUGHOUT TEXAS, THE FRONTAGE ROADS ARE USUALLY IN THE RANGE OF 45 TO 50.
UM, LIKE I SAID, TEXTILE HAS HER SET AT 60 AND, AND THOSE FRONTAGE ROADS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, PRETTY MILD AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS AND INTERSECTIONS FOR THOSE.
UM, SO WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET RONALD REAGAN, UM, CONSISTENT AND AT A SPEED THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, MANAGEABLE.
SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ADT IS ON AROUND OREGON? UH, I DO NOT, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION.
I MEAN, RONALD REAGAN, THAT, THAT THE, THE INTERSECTION WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE LIGHT, THERE'S AN ACCIDENT THERE EVERY MONTH AND IT WAS A FATALITY THERE A FEW YEARS BACK, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE MOVING DOWN LIGHT.
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A CRASH ON ADDITIVE SECTION.IF WE COULD, WE CAN BRING YOU THAT DATA.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OTHERS, UM, TOWARDS THE PALM OR PALMERA RIDGE.
UM, BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR ACCIDENTS, AT LEAST THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION HAS QUITE A FEW.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A FATALITY WITH THE MOTORCYCLE APP ON MY RIDGE AND ROCK AND RONALD REAGAN A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT THAT BELIEVED THAT WAS A DRUNK DRIVER LEAVING THE SCENE THAT ACCIDENT PROMPTED THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGE THAT WAS IN PLACE RIGHT THERE NOW.
BUT THE 50 MILES AN HOUR WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE OF A CHANGE AND WE'VE RE ANALYZED GEOMETRY OF THE ROAD AND FEEL LIKE 55 IS MUCH BETTER MODERATE SPEED LIMIT FOR THE WHOLE ROADWAY.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE EXTRA INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT IN THE PACKET.
I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONSISTENCY IN OUR SPEED LIMITS ON OUR ROADWAYS.
UM, IT IS CONFUSING GOING 45, 65, 50 BACK UP TO 65.
UH, SO THEY DO BELIEVE THAT CAUSES CONFUSION, NOT ONLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS BURDEN FOR OTHERS THAT, UH, TRAVEL THAT PORTION OF THAT ROADWAY BASED OFF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION LISTENING.
WHAT ELSE HAS ANYTHING I JUST HAVE, I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC HIGHER TRAFFIC.
DOES, DOES THAT NOT TEND TO SLOW DOWN SPEEDERS ANYWAY, IT CAN.
BUT, UH, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, ON SATURDAY MORNINGS, WHEN I HEAD DOWN TO WALMART, THAT IT'S DIFFICULT GETTING UP TO THE SPEED LIMIT DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO JUST WILL NOT DRIVE THAT SPEED LIMIT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.
THAT IDEA LENDS ITSELF TO THE FACT IT'S ONLY FOR A SPEED LIMIT AT ALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS, WE NEED TO CONTROL THEM BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS IS THE SEVERITY OF ACCIDENTS WILL BE GREATLY REDUCED BETWEEN 65 AND 55 MILES AN HOUR.
IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY DRIVING THAT SPEED, OR IF THEY'RE DRIVING 65 INSTEAD OF THE, WHAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY DRIVE 75 OR 80.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE THEY'LL BE SPEEDING, THE SPEED THEY'LL ADJUST THEIR SPEED BASED ON THE SPEED LIMIT, RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY IS THE SPEED LIMIT IS 45, THAT MAY SPEED TO GOING FOR 50 OR 55.
BUT IF THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55, THEY'LL BE JARRING FASTER.
WELL, I DO APPRECIATE THE CONSISTENCY AND THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO, UM, AND THEN THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT.
YES, MA'AM UH, THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE ONE.
SO BASED OFF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I'M FILLING OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AT EASE HAVING THIS 55 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT, MORE CONSISTENT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS COUNSEL.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE'LL BE TAKING THE AGENDA OUT OF ORDERING, CONSIDERING ITEMS 30 AND 31 AS THEY RELATE TO ITEM 23 AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023.
[30. Receive a presentation on the Paypoint HR compensation study and consider acceptance of the City Manager’s recommended city employee pay plan.]
30, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PAY POINT, HR COMPENSATION STUDY AND CONSIDER ACCEPTANCE OF THE CITY.MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED CITY EMPLOYEE PAY PLAN, HR DIRECTOR DAVIS.
MAYOR CITY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CHRISTY DAVIS, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
I'M GOING TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPENSATION STUDY, BUT I FIRST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER, RICK BEVERLEY CARES DEEPLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
HE CARES ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF LEANDER, AND HE'S A SMART AND ETHICAL LEADER WHO IS DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE EMPLOYEES ARE FAIRLY COMPENSATED SO THAT THEY CAN CARE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ROBUST EMPLOYEE BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT THE CITY OF LEANDER OFFERS.
UM, WE HAVE A TOP NOTCH, TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGE, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORKED MANY, MANY HOURS AND SLEEPLESS NIGHTS AND HAD OVERLOAD OF DATA AND NUMBERS, UM, FOR MAKING ALL OF THIS HAPPEN.
SO RICK BEVERLY, WHEN ROBERT POWERS, MIKE NEW BELINDA METHYLENE, SHERRY BENFORD, ALISON MCGREW, POLICE, CHIEF MINTON FIRE, CHIEF WOOSTER, HOUSING, UH, POLICE AND FIRE ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES SPECIFICALLY CORPORAL, UH, GONZALEZ, OFFICER WILSON, CHIEF AND GALLIANO, CAPTAIN MOORE, LIEUTENANT COUSINS, LIEUTENANT SUMMERS, UH, THE COMPENSATION STUDY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THE PAY POINT, HR CONSULTANTS ALL HAD A HAND IN PULLING THIS TOGETHER.
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OF THIS COMPENSATION STUDY IS TO PROVIDE THE CITY OF LEANDER WITH A PROCESS FOR DETERMINING EQUITABLE VALUE OF POSITIONS ON A COMP A COMPETITIVE SALARY SCALE.OUR PHILOSOPHY IS TO ADMINISTER FAIRLY AND CONSISTENTLY.
WE WANT INTERNALLY EQUITABLE EXTERNALLY COMPETITIVE WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE LABOR MARKETS AND WITH OUR COMPETITOR CITIES, WHERE WE GAIN AND LOSE EMPLOYEES.
PERFORMANCE-BASED FOR THE GENERAL PAY PLAN, A STEP PLAN FOR PUBLIC SERVICE UNIFORMED EMPLOYEES TO COMPETE WITH COMPETITORS, CITIES, A STRUCTURED PROCESS, BUT FLEXIBLE TO MEET WITH STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
SO WHY IS THIS COMPENSATION STUDY IMPORTANT? IT WILL ALLOW THE CITY OF LEANDER TO RECRUIT, RETAIN, AND REWARD VALUABLE EMPLOYEES.
IT'S AN EQUITABLE MARKET DRIVEN COMPENSATION SYSTEM, CLEAR PATHS FOR CAREER PROGRESSION ARE COMPENSATION OBJECTIVES FOR EXTERNAL COMPETITIVENESS TO ALIGN INTERNAL SALARIES, TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKETPLACE, TO DEFINE COMPETITIVE PAY FOR JOBS, A COMPARABLE VALUE OR GRADE.
WE NEED INTERNAL EQUITY TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIVE VALUE OF JOBS TO ONE ANOTHER AND TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY AND APPLICATION AND REDUCE COMPRESSION ISSUES, WHICH HAS BEEN A VERY BIG PROBLEM.
THE HIERARCHY OF JOBS IN THE CITY RELATIVE TO RESPONSIBILITIES.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REQUIRED EDUCATION AND SKILLS AND THE IMPACT OF THE POSITION AND REPORTING RELATIONSHIP.
SO WHAT DID THIS COMPENSATION COMPENSATION STUDY NOT DO? IT DID NOT REDUCE EMPLOYEE PAY.
IT DID NOT CHANGE POSITION DUTIES.
IT DID NOT CHANGE THE ORGANI ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
IT DID NOT ELIMINATE POSITIONS OR CAUSE ANY LAYOFFS, AND IT WAS NOT EVALUATED EVALUATING EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE, THE COMPARISON CITIES, AND ACTUALLY IT'S 24.
WE HAD A HUGE LIST THAT WAS LIKE 40 OR 50, BUT THE COMMITTEE NARROWED IT DOWN.
SO IT REALLY WAS 24 BECAUSE THE LOCAL ONES WERE ADDED, UM, INTO THAT NUMBER.
SO CEDAR PARK AND GEORGETOWN AND ROUND ROCK, OR OUR COMPETITOR CITIES EARLIER, RICK MENTIONED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THOSE COMPETITORS, CITIES, THE POPULATION, THE REVENUE SALES TAX, ET CETERA.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHY THINGS ARE DIFFERENT AND YOU KNOW, WHY WE HAVE MONEY FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND POSSIBLY NOT OTHERS.
SO THIS IS A REALLY GOOD SNAPSHOT OF THAT DURING THE COMPENSATION STUDY, THE EMPLOYEES AND THE SUPERVISORS HAD TO COMPLETE A POSITION QUESTIONNAIRE.
SO THE QUESTIONNAIRE CONCLUDED THE SAME JOB TITLES.
SO WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT THE JOB TITLES AND THE DUTIES, DUTIES, AND RESPONSIBILITIES, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE JOB, THE EDUCATION CERTIFICATIONS, THE LEVEL OF SUPERVISION, ANY TYPE OF PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS AND WORKING CONDITIONS, THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO FOR OCTOBER ONE, ACROSS THE BOARD, 4% COLA FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, UM, EXCEPT THE CITY MANAGER, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE HE'S CONTRACT BASIS THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT, UM, IT WAS LOOKED INTO TO SEE IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE, UM, THAT Y'ALL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ON THAT.
UH, THE NEW GENERAL EMPLOYEE PAY PLAN WILL TAKE EFFECT.
AND THEN THE MARKET ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE CITY MANAGER AND PAY POINT HRS RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT'S NOT ALL POSITIONS, UM, SOME POSITIONS OR ONLY GET THE 4% AND NOT A MARKET ADJUSTMENT.
SHERRY BENFORD IS OUR HR BUSINESS PARTNER WITH A PRIMARY FOCUS AND COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION.
AND SHE HAS MET WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
UH, SHE HAS GONE OVER ALL THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION AND DATA FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THEIR EMPLOYEES AND WHERE THEY FALL JANUARY ONE, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE STEP PLANS TAKE EFFECT, UH, PAPER PERFORMANCE, MERIT INCREASES FOR EMPLOYEES ON THE GENERAL PAY PLAN ONLY.
SO MARKET ADJUSTMENTS, THE CITY MANAGER, PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ALIGNED WITH PAIN-POINT HRS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES, THE CIVILIANS, WHICH INCLUDES ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT EMPLOYEES, CADETS CHIEFS, AND ASSISTANT CHIEFS, AND THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
THE JOB TITLES THAT WERE SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW MARKET MIDPOINT, UM, GREATER THAN 10%, OR IS AROUND 50.
AND THEN JOB TITLES BELOW MARKET MIDPOINT BETWEEN FIVE AND 10% AROUND 40.
SO HERE IS A KIND OF A BIG OVERVIEW
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FOR PAY GRADES.ONE THROUGH SEVEN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE 16, UM, PAY GRADES.
SO ONE THROUGH SEVEN, THIS SHOWS, UM, IF THERE IS ANY DATA THAT'S MISSING, IT'S BECAUSE NOT ALL THE CITIES HAVE THE SAME JOB TITLES.
SO WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE COMPARISONS, UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME JOB TITLES.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY MAY BE MISSING THE LOCAL AREA.
SO LEANDER IS THE BLUE HORIZONTAL LINE.
AND THEN THE MARKET, THE 50 PERCENTILE IS THE RED HORIZONTAL LINE IN THE STATEWIDE MIDPOINT DATA.
SO YOU'LL SEE HOW WE FALL, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO, UH, SPECIFIC POSITIONS AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE BOARD.
THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S PAY GRADES ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
WE ALSO HAVE PAY GRADES EIGHT THROUGH 11, AND THEN WE HAVE THE LOCAL PAY GRADES THROUGH 12 THROUGH 15, WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGEMENT.
SO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POSITION, BECAUSE WE ALREADY, WE HAVE THAT ONE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT FILLED, WE HAVE THAT POSITION.
UM, THE JOB DESCRIPTION DONE FOR THAT CHIEF TO STAFF AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER.
SO THIS JUST SHOWS WHERE, UM, THAT 50% IS FOR, UM, THE CITY MANAGEMENT.
AND SO I WANTED TO GO OVER OUR SALARY, OUR SALARY PLAN.
SO THE SALARY RANGES, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM MIDPOINT TO MAXIMUM, UM, MINIMUM.
WE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN RECENTLY, IT'S BEEN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO BRING PEOPLE IN AT THE MINIMUM.
IT'S JUST VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THAT USED TO BE STANDARD.
NOW, MOST OF THE TIME IT IS ABOVE MINIMUM AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GET CITY MANAGER APPROVAL FOR THAT.
AND WE DO A SALARY COMPARISON TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, BUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE SALARY STUDY AND REALLY SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE MARKET IS HUGE.
IT'S VERY EYEOPENING AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
SO WITH THE MINIMUM EMPLOYEES USUALLY COME IN LIKE LITTLE OR NO EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, THE MID POINT, UM, KIND OF, UM, DOING WELL-PERFORMING EMPLOYEES AND THEN TOP OF THE LINE WHEN THE MAXIMUM, UM, RANGE, SO PAY GRADE ADJUSTED MINIMUMS. SO WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM GROUP RANGE.
THE PAY GROUP RANGES FROM 23 TO AROUND 34% TO 60%.
AND THAT'S FROM MINIMUM TO MAXIMUM.
THE PURPOSE IS SO EMPLOYEES BECAUSE SOMETIMES EMPLOYEES MAY MAX OUT AND THAT'S ALSO WHAT'S HAPPENED.
EMPLOYEES HAVE MAXED OUT IN THE SMALLER SPANS SOMETIMES LESS THAN 10 YEARS.
AND SO THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST STUCK SOMETIMES THEY'LL END UP GETTING MAYBE A ONE-TIME MERIT, BUT THEY CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER ONCE THEY MAX OUT.
SO THIS IS GOING TO WIDEN THAT SPAN AND ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET PROMOTIONS AND MOVE UP MERIT INCREASES AND MOVE UP WITHIN THAT PATE, SAME, UH, GROUP INCREASING THE SPAN ALSO ENCOURAGES RETENTION AND ALLOWS THEM TO STAY IN THAT CURRENT JOB TITLE.
SOME, SOME EMPLOYEES WANT TO STAY IN THAT SAME JOB TITLE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT JOB TITLE, BUT THEN THEY GET STUCK.
SO THIS ALLOWS THEM TO STAY AND CONTINUE TO GROW PROFESSIONALLY AND FINANCIALLY.
SO WE ALSO, UM, DID A WIDEN FOR THE ADJUSTMENTS ON FROM GROUP ONES.
I MEAN, 3, 4, 5, ET CETERA, UH, TO THE RATES UP TO 10% RIGHT NOW IT'S EIGHT TO 9%.
THE ONLY, UM, PAY GROUP THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IS BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX.
THE SPAN IS ABOUT 5% BECAUSE THE SIMILARITY AND EDUCATION AND SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE, SO THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UM, THIS ACTION IS GOING TO INCREASE LANDER'S ABILITY TO COMPETE IN THE LOCAL AREA FOR COMPETITORS, UM, AND STAFFING AND EMPLOYEES THAT ARE STILL UNDER THE MINIMUM.
SO ONCE WE'VE MOVED THIS UP, THEY'VE RECEIVED THEIR COLA, BUT STILL UNDER THE MINIMUM, BUT THE NEW PAY GROUP, THEY WILL ACTUALLY MOVE UP TO THAT PAY GROUP TO THE MINIMUM.
SO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT STEP PLANS IS EFFECTIVE FOR JANUARY ONE.
UM, WE ARE MATCHING ROUND ROCK'S CURRENT FYI TWENTY-TWO PAY PLAN.
UH, LEANDER WILL BE COMPETITIVE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LEADING THE MARKET.
UM, AS THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SHOWED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, TAXES AND STUFF THAT WE RECEIVED, WE CAN'T LEAD THE MARKET.
UM, THAT CHIEFS ASSISTANT CHIEFS, POLICE CADETS, AND NON-UNIFORM ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF WILL NOT BE ON THE STEP PLAN.
THEY WILL BE ON THE EMPLOYEE GENERAL PAY PLAN,
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THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, STEP PLAN.SO IT IS BASED ON EMPLOYEE TENURE AT THE CITY OF LEANDER.
WE DEVELOPED A STEP PLAN TO PROVIDE MARKET COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION AT ALL LEVELS ANNUAL INCREASES TO THE STEP PLAN IS EVERY JANUARY ONE, THE PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO DEPEND ON AVAILABLE FUNDS.
UH, WE CHANGED OFFICER ONE, TWO AND THREE TO JUST POLICE OFFICER.
THE NEW HIRES, UM, CAN ONLY COME IN AND BE HIRED AS A POLICE OFFICER.
OTHER RANKS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE TO CURRENT EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THIS IS BASED ON TENURE AT THE CITY OF LEANDER.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE STEP PLAN LOOKS LIKE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IT'S WHEN YOU SEE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S BASICALLY FLIPPED AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, RULES THAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO A POLICE OFFICER CAN COME IN AS A STEP 1, 2, 3, AND UP TO A FOUR.
THEY COULD NOT COME IN ANY HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND THE ONLY WAY, UH, ANYBODY CAN MOVE THROUGH THAT IS DOWN TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE A POLICE OFFICER AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE AND THEY'RE AT STEP THREE AND THEY WANT TO MOVE INTO CORPORAL AND THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS.
THEY WILL MOVE STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THE CORPORATE LEVEL, STEP THREE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS AND THEN SO FORTH.
THEN IF THEY WERE AT THAT CORPORATE LEVEL AND THEN THEY NEED TO MOVE DOWN TO A SERGEANT, THEY'VE GOTTA BE IN THAT FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN THEY MOVE OVER AND THEN IT'S UNDER STEP FIVE FOR THAT.
BUT THE, UM, AND I MENTIONED ABOUT THE ONLY GOING UP TO STEP FOUR FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF THEY HAVE APPLICABLE EXPERIENCE.
SO THEY'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER ELSEWHERE, THEY'VE GOT CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE, IT'S A COMPARABLE CITY OR A LARGER CITY THAN LEANDER.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DIFFERENT.
IT IS BASED ON EMPLOYEE, TENURE AND POSITION.
AND THEN WE DEVELOP THE STEP PLAN, THE SAME FOR MARKETED COMPETITIVENESS AND ANNUAL INCREASE JANUARY ON FUNDING.
UH, QUALIFIED NEW HIRES CAN COME IN AT ANY POSITION, BUT ONLY AT A STEP ONE.
SO THAT'S UNIQUE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY ARE CHANGING FROM A 28 DAY TO A 14 DAY PAY PERIOD.
UM, THE, OUR CONVERSION WAS 27, 56 HOURS TO 29, 12 HOUR CONVERSION.
AND THIS IS WHAT IS WAS REQUESTED AND WHAT IS TYPICALLY, OOPS, I NEED TO GO BACK WHAT IS TYPICALLY DONE, UM, AT OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STEP PLAN OBVIOUSLY LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I MENTIONED THEY CAN COME IN AT ANY POSITION ANY TIME, BUT ONLY AT A STEP ONE.
SO THE MINIMUM TO PROMOTE IS A 10% INCREASE AND IT'S A STEP DOWN AND OVER.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT STEP FIVE FIREFIGHTER, LET'S SAY THAT THERE ARE THE STEP FIVE.
THEY WANT TO PROMOTE TO A DRIVER PUMP OPERATOR.
SO 10%, IT TAKES THEM DOWN AND OVER TO THE LEFT TO A STEP THREE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THEIR 10% INCREASE.
SO IT WORKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE POLICE, BUT POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
BUT THE CONCEPT IS BASICALLY ABOUT THE SAME.
AND THEN FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A LIEUTENANT, IF THEY WERE AT A STEP EIGHT AND THEY GOT AN INCREASE, THEN THEY WOULD MOVE DOWN TO CAPTAIN, UM, AT A STEP SIX.
IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF AN INCREASE IF IT WENT STRAIGHT DOWN.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO IN CONCLUSION, THE CITY OF LEANDER HAS A PROGRESSIVE AND COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION PACKAGE, WHICH INCLUDES EXCEPTIONAL BENEFITS AND A CITY MATCHING RETIREMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL HELP US RECRUIT AND RETAIN AND REWARD CURRENT EMPLOYEES.
THANK YOU TO ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE POPULATION BACK ON THE LOCAL COMPARISON CITIES.
UM, HOW, HOW IS THAT BEING CALCULATED? WHAT IS BEING USED TO DETERMINE THAT THESE ARE COMPARABLE CITIES? SO I KNOW THAT LIKE THAT NUMBER ON THERE, I THINK WE'RE USING MAYBE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE CENSUS.
ARE WE USING THE CENSUS FOR THE OTHER MONTHS? LIKE HOW ARE WE COMPARING THOSE, THE POPULATION LIKE FOR THE POPULATION? UM, ROBERT, CAN YOU, FOR THIS CHART, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CHART THAT HAS PAGE REVENUE, THE SALES TAX.
ALL THE OTHER CITIES PROVIDED.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE STEP PLAN TAKING EFFECT.
IT SHOWS THAT IT'S TAKING EFFECT JANUARY 1ST AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENTS GO INTO EFFECT EVERY
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JANUARY 1ST.WHY IS THAT? INSTEAD OF JUST BEING CONCURRENT WITH THE ANNUAL BUDGET YEAR, SPEAK ON THAT MICROPHONE, SORRY.
STEP PLANS AND OTHER CITIES, THEY USUALLY COME IN AS ONE AND THEY ARE PROMOTED TWICE.
SO THEY'RE PROMOTED EVERY ANNIVERSARY AND THEN THEY THEY'RE PROMOTED AT THE NEW PAY PLAN.
SO EVERY TIME SOMEBODY HAS A CHANGE, SO EVERY JANUARY THE CITY RECEIVES THEIR, THEIR INCREASE.
SO THEY ACTUALLY GET TO, SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID TWO INCREASES IN A YEAR.
SO RATHER THAN HIT THEIR ANNIVERSARY WHERE THEY CAME IN MAY 5TH EVERY MONTH, BUT THEY WOULD GET AN INCREASE.
AND THEN AGAIN, IN JANUARY, WHEN THE PAY PLAN HAD AN ADJUSTMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER INCREASE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
BECAUSE WE USUALLY RECEIVE AS MERIT INCREASES EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY.
SO WE'RE JUST WANTING THEM TO STAY CONSISTENT.
THERE WAS ONE QUOTE, YOU SAID, UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CITY MANAGER EXCLUDED FROM THE COLA, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT WAS THERE.
UM, DID WE, DID WE DETERMINE IF THAT'S TRUE? YES, NO, MAYBE.
SO SHE SENT HER A CONTRACT
THAT'S MY ONLY REASON FOR SAYING THAT IS THIS, THIS, IF IT'S ABOUT PERFORMANCE, WE HAVE THE CONTRACT AND WE EVALUATE THAT AND WE DO, WE DON'T AND ALL THAT.
AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS THEIR OWN THINGS WITHIN THEIR, THEIR PROP, THEIR DEALS.
BUT THIS IS JUST A COST OF COST OF LIVING.
AND ONCE I GOT ALLOWANCE, ADJUSTMENT.
UM, AND SO MY ONLY THING TO US WAS, UM, THAT'S SIMPLY A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.
IT'S NOT A PERFORMANCE, ANYTHING ELSE? SO I'M JUST BRINGING OUT OUT THERE THAT I'M THE ONE THAT ASKED THAT QUESTION.
SO THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANT TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
AND I DO FEEL LIKE HE DESERVES IT.
HE'S AN EMPLOYEE, EVEN THOUGH HE'S IN A CONTRACT POSITION, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE FAIR IF HE WAS ALSO GETTING WHAT ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES WERE GETTING TOO.
THAT'S WHY I'M ONLY SAYING COST OF LIVING ALONE.
ANYTHING ELSE? COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY NOT AGREE WITH THAT? I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED LEGAL'S INPUT ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S AN ADJUSTMENT OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT, AND THEN I'M WONDERING IF IT APPLIES TO OTHER CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, SORRY.
HOPEFULLY WE WERE PREPARED FOR THAT.
SINCE LAST I WAS PREPARED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ACTION OF COUNCIL ON THAT ITEM, BUT PLEASE ASK THE, AGAIN, I WAS, I WAS LOOKING, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT, UH, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT INCLUDED A COLA FOR THE CITY MANAGER AS A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE, UM, THAT WE WOULD NEED YOUR INPUT ABOUT HOW THAT AFFECTS THE CONTRACT, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ADDRESSED IN IT AND HOW THAT AFFECTS OTHER CONTRACT EMPLOYEES.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
YOU CAN, UM, APPROVE THE COLA BY MOTION VOTE COUNCIL, MY RESOLUTION, AND I'M PULLING UP THE CONTRACT, ANSWER THE REST OF THE QUESTION.
SO IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT, I CAN DO THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO ANSWER.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
ANYWAY, WE'VE BEEN UP HERE FOR A WHILE.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? NOT WE'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO REVIEW THE CONTRACT.
WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD AT 8:48 PM.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CONTRACT.
SO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE ARE OTHER CONTRACTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY COUNCIL, CONSIDERING A COLA FOR CITY MANAGER, THE ANSWER'S NO, AND THAT IS NOT, THERE'S NOT A CONCERN.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE NOT OTHER EMPLOYEES UNDER CONTRACT THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED IN THAT WAY.
UM, THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTRACT AUTHORIZES THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER INCREASES IN THE MANAGER SALARY BY RESOLUTION.
SO IF YOU ENACT A COLA FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY APPLY TO THE CITY MANAGER.
THE CONTRACT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY GIVE THE CITY
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MANAGER COLOS THAT ARE GRANTED TO THE, THEIR EMPLOYEES.SO THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO ACT ON THAT INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, AND WE CAN DISCUSS HOW THAT IS ACHIEVED.
IF THAT IS A QUESTION AS WELL.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION, UM, AND MAYBE IT'S FOR, UM, THE OTHER GROUP, BUT, UM, IS THE COLA FOR THE CITY MANAGERS, SOMETHING THAT IS CUSTOMARY WITH THE OTHER COMPARABLE CITIES? WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PART OF THE REPORTING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO STAY AT HOME.
AND I DO HAVE DATA, UH, THAT I CAN PROVIDE TO Y'ALL ON THE COMPARITOR CITIES CAME THINKING OF GETTING, I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME RIGHT NOW, RIGHT.
DOES THAT MEAN LIKE IF WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT WE WOULD COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM AT A DIFFERENT TIME, OR JUST MAKE THAT PART OF EMOTION.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE MOTION THIS EVENING, UH, JUST CALL OUT THAT IT WOULD APPLY TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL.
UM, AND YOU WOULD INDICATE THAT IT, WHEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT, IF IT'S GOING INTO EFFECT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES COLA, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING BACK A CONTRACT AMENDMENT JUST TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, BUT YOU COULD CALL IT, CAUSED IT TO BE IMPLEMENTED AT THE SAME TIME AS THE EMPLOYEES WITH THE MOTION AND VOTE TONIGHT, WE JUST CLEANED IT UP WITH A CONTRACT AMENDMENT AT A LATER MEETING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, I ACTUALLY, UM, I DO HAVE THE DOCUMENT, SO IF Y'ALL WANT IT TO REVIEW IT AND PASS IT DOWN, IT SHOWS WHERE FOR A ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, CEDAR PARK PFLUGERVILLE, AND HOW-TO WHERE THE CITY MANAGER IS.
SO DOES IT SHOW THAT IT'S AUTOMATIC OR NOT? WELL, IT DOESN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY THEIR SALARY, DIFFERENT TYPES OF ALLOWANCES.
THEY GET ONE TIME ANNUAL LUMP SUMS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF REIMBURSEMENTS.
I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHERE IT SAID SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE 4% OR COLA.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I PREFER THIS TO GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, BUT THAT'S ME.
SO, I MEAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA ITEM.
UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE CITY MANAGER BEING INCLUDED IN JUST THE COLA THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES, ARE WE DOING A MOTION ON THIS, THIS ITEM OR LATER I'M DOING IT RIGHT NOW? IT'S THE CLOTHING IT'S ACCEPTING THE COMPENSATION.
THEN I WILL SECOND THAT I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED PASSES SIX TO ONE.
[31. Receive a presentation and consider acceptance of the City Manager’s recommended step plans for the Police Department and Fire Department.]
THANK YOU.ITEM 31, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION AND CONSIDER ACCEPTANCE OF THE CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDED STEP PLANS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, HR DIRECTOR DAVIS.
SHE PRESENTATION TO SORRY AND IMITATION.
SO YOU JUST NEED TO TAKE THIS AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[23. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider the proposed budget for Fiscal Year 2023. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance adopting a budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2022 and ending September 30, 2023; appropriating the various amounts thereof, and repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith; and providing for an effective date.]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, BEFORE I BEGIN, I NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR, I THINK I'M LOSING MY VOICE.
UM, I THINK I'M, UH, YEAH, YEAH.
I THINK I'M EXCITED ABOUT GAME DAY THIS SATURDAY.
OH, UM, OH, YOU DO HAVE A BIG ONE.
CONDOLENCES TO ANY BUCKEYE FANS OUT THERE.
BUT, UH, SO THE TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING, UH, HAS BEEN ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER AND IT'S PREREQUISITE BEFORE COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE FISCAL 23 ANNUAL BUDGET, THE SLIDES THAT I'M GOING TO PRESENT, UH, YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, BUT, UM, I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING THE ADDITIONAL FIVE POLICE OFFICERS AND ASSOCIATED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IS IN THE, UM, UH, DRAFT ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATION
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TO ADOPT THE BUDGET.SO WE JUST DIDN'T REDO ALL THE SLIDES, BUT, UH, TRUST ME IF YOU APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION, IT'LL INCLUDE WHAT YOU VOTED ON AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE SLIDES THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST, UH, TWO, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT AGAIN, THE CITY'S BUDGET INCLUDES A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDS.
IT'S NOT JUST THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S NOT JUST THE UTILITY FUND, UH, BUT IT INCLUDES A LOT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCES OR, UM, BOND, BOND, PROCEEDS, IMPACT FEES.
UH THERE'S OF THE OTHER SORTS.
SO BETWEEN F Y 22 AND FYI 23, UH, THE, THE BUDGET HAS GROWN FROM 213 MILLION TO 329 MILLION.
AGAIN, THIS NUMBER FOR THE GENERAL FUND HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED FOR THE ADDITIONAL $750,000 FOR THOSE, UH, FIVE POLICE OFFICERS AND, AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT.
THIS, YOU REMEMBER THIS LIST IS JUST, UH, HOW THE BUDGET BREAKS DOWN IN THE GENERAL FUND BY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND, UM, TO THE RIGHT ON THAT SLIDE IS AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT, UH, NON-DEPARTMENTAL MEANS.
IT'S JUST A CATCH ALL FOR A LOT OF, UH, UH, EXPENSES THAT APPLY CITYWIDE AND ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH AN INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE, THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, UH, INITIALLY PRIOR TO YOUR ACTION AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, RECOMMENDED 37.2 NEW, UH, POSITIONS BETWEEN THE ALL FUNDS GENERAL FUND GOLF DEPARTMENT GOLF FUND AND THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, ADDING FIVE TO THAT NUMBER WOULD BRING THAT TO 42.2 NEW POSITIONS.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A VIEW, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OF HOW THE POPULATION HAS GROWN, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS, ALL FUNDS CAN.
UM, SO, UH, AS I SAID, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THIS AS, AS KEEPING PACE, BUT, UM, IT'S MORE LIKE WE ARE TREADING WATER.
SO BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK SEVERAL YEARS, WE WERE BEHIND WHERE WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE SERVICE EXPECTATIONS OF, UH, OF OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT AGAIN, ADD FIVE TO THIS NUMBER, AND IT WOULD BE 462 POSITIONS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
UM, QUICK OVERVIEW OF A LOT OF THE, UM, BUDGET, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND A VARIETY OF FORMS. UM, THE MUNICIPAL PROJECT THAT DON IDENTIFIED HERE IS THE FIRE STATION.
NUMBER TWO, UH, REHABILITATION AND EXPANSION, UM, NOT ONLY OF THE STATION, BUT ALSO FOR THE, UH, HOPEFULLY AN ADDITIONAL EMS, UM, UNIT CAN BE A STATION THERE.
THEN WE HAVE PARK PROJECTS, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, AND UTILITY PROJECTS.
AND THIS IS JUST TO LIST AGAIN, THAT THAT YOU'VE SEEN OF THOSE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
THE LIST FOR UTILITY FUND IS EVEN GREATER AS MS. DAVIS JUST WENT OVER OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, DOES INCLUDE THE FUNDING FOR, UM, BOTH PIECES OF THE COMPENSATION STUDY THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND APPROVED.
LASTLY, AT YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU DID CHOOSE OPTION B UH, FOR FIVE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND THEIR, UH, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS $750,000, BECAUSE THAT IS THE ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE THAT WAS GENERATED BY THE TAX RATE THAT YOU, UM, VOTED TO CONSIDER.
SO THAT MONEY WENT TOWARDS, UM, UM, SINCE IT, UM, GAVE A LITTLE MORE CUSHION ON THE VEHICLES, UH, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT THE COST OF VEHICLES IS GOING UP.
SO, UM, BUT THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT WAS SIMPLY PRORATED AT THE TIME, UH, TO PRESENT THIS OPTION AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WE ASKED THAT YOU TAKE, UM, TWO MOTIONS.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, IS REQUIRED BY THE, UM, STATE STATUTE,
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SINCE THIS BUDGET RAISES MORE TAXES, REGARDLESS OF THE TAX RATE, THE TAX BASE HAS GROWN.SO WE ARE IN ABSOLUTE TERMS COLLECTING MORE PROPERTY TAXES THAN WE DID LAST YEAR.
SO STATE STATUTE SAYS THAT, UM, UH, THE COUNCIL MOTION NEEDS TO STATE THAT EXPLICITLY SO THAT WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION WOULD, WOULD MOVE TO RATIFY THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
THEN YOU CAN MOVE ON TO ADOPTING THE BUDGET, UH, WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, BUT, UM, JUST FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY SAKE IN YOUR EMOTION, WHEN YOU MOVE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET, JUST INCLUDE EXHIBIT A AND EXHIBIT A IS THE ITEMIZATION OF THOSE FIVE POLICE OFFICERS IN EQUIPMENT THAT TOTAL THE $750,000.
SO, UM, IT WILL COVER ALL THE, ALL THE BASIS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. POWERS, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO ACTION TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE, ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING, OCTOBER 1ST, 2022, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2023, UH, APPROPRIATING THE VARIOUS AMOUNTS THEREOF AND REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THERE WITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE COUNSEL.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, UM, JODY WAS ON THE CALL WITH US ON TWO, TWO DAYS AGO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO TALK ABOUT OUR POSSIBLY THE NEXT ONE.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY JUST IN CASE, BUT IT CAME UP WHETHER IT WAS A CITY MANAGER OR WHETHER IT WAS THEM TALKING BACK AND FORTH.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL AS IS WHEN ALL THE FINAL NUMBERS CAME IN.
THAT THERE'S NOT A DIFFERENCE IN US BEING ABLE TO, UM, PAY FOR THE $713,000 OR SEVEN 50 THAT WE BUDGETED THERE IN EXHIBIT A, UM, WITH THE LOWER OF THE DEBT, THE LOWER DEBT NUMBER, THERE WAS A 0.1 8 2 9 3 7 NUMBER.
AND THEN AS THE 0.16 WAS, WHICH WAS THE M AND L ONLY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE IN ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS? THERE, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES IN THOSE NUMBERS.
THE NEXT ITEM, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE, UH, ON THE DEBT SIDE, BUT THAT DOES NOT AFFECT, DOES IT AFFECT THIS ONLY AFFECTS THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE EXTRA CAREFUL YES.
THE PAGE WHERE IT SAYS I WOULD ADD ON, ON THAT NOTE, JUST FOR REFERENCE THE STATE LAW ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE GOVERNING BODY ADOPT A BUDGET BEFORE YOU CAN SET A TAX RATE.
SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO IT THE OTHER WAY.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO THEN, UH, I MOVED TO RATIFIED THE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE REFLECTED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, MS. CRABTREE, IS THAT HOW YOU NEED US TO DO IT ON THAT ONE? YES.
JUST MAKING SURE WE CHECK THE BOX FOR THE EXHIBIT.
SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET, INCLUDING EXHIBIT A FOR FYI 2023 SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[24. Conduct a Public Hearing on levying ad valorem taxes for the use and support of the municipal government of the City of Leander, Texas, for the Fiscal Year 2023; providing for and apportioning each levy for specific purposes; and providing when taxes shall become due and when the same shall become delinquent if not paid. Discuss and possible action on the First Reading of an Ordinance levying ad valorem taxes for the use and support of the municipal government of the City of Leander, Texas, for the Fiscal Year 2023 as described above.]
THANK YOU.I'M 20 TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON LEVYING AD VALOREM, TEXAS FOR THE USE AND SUPPORT OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF LEANDRA, TEXAS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2023, PROVIDING FOR, AND A PORTION APPORTIONING EACH LEVEE FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND PROVIDING WHEN TAXES SHALL BECOME DUE.
AND WHEN THE SAME SHALL BECOME DELINQUENT, IF NOT PAID EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS, THANK YOU.
THIS IS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, THE CITY OF LANDERS CHARTER REQUIRES TWO READINGS OF, UH, ANY ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE TAX RATES.
SO THIS IS THE, WOULD BE THE FIRST READING OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.
UH, THE SECOND AND FINAL READING WOULD BE AT THE SEPTEMBER 15TH MEETING.
UM, THIS CHART ON THE SCREEN, UH, HOPEFULLY SHOWS YOU THE TWO
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OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, BEFORE YOU, UM, YOU COULD CREATE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL STICK TO THESE TWO.BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CURRENT YEAR TAX RATE IS NEARLY 48 CENTS.
UM, ON OCTOBER, ON AUGUST 4TH, YOU VOTED TO CONSIDER A MAXIMUM TAX RATE OF, UH, 45.5 TO 62 CENTS.
SO THAT WAS THE MAXIMUM RATE THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER, UM, THE OPERATING, UM, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE THAT FUNDS THE GENERAL FUND IS 27 TO THREE TO 5 CENTS.
THAT'S IN THE, UM, IN THE TAX RATE, WHAT IS IN YOUR DISCRETION TONIGHT IS WHICH DEBT RATE TO CHOOSE.
AND, UM, WHEN WE WERE, UM, WE, THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF ARE WORKING ON THE, THE, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET AND, AND TRYING TO DETERMINE THE, THE TAX RATE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME, UH, THE, UH, DEBT RATE PORTION THAT IS NEEDED TO PAY NEXT YEAR'S DEBT SERVICE IS 16 CENTS.
AND WHEN WE GOT THE OFFICIAL CALCULATIONS FROM THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY TAX OFFICE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE FORMULAS THAT GO INTO THAT AND ALL DICTATED BY STATE LAW, IT IS CUSTOMARY.
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO GET A HIGHER TAX RATE THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, A CITY STAFF WILL CALCULATE.
UH, THE CALCULATED RATE FROM THE TAX PLEASING WILLIAMSON TAX OFFICE WAS 18.29 CENTS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, USE THE LOWER DEBT, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE, THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED FOR NEXT YEAR'S DEBT SERVICE.
IF YOU WENT ANY HIGHER THAN THE 16 CENTS, THAT ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE WOULD JUST SAY WOULD STAY IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE YEARS COULD BE USED FOR A DEBT SERVICE, BUT YOU CAN'T USE IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO OPTION A WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM RATE OF 45.5262, WHICH INCLUDES THE MAXIMUM DEBT RATE OPTION B IS 43.23 25 CENTS, WHICH IS, UM, WOULD BE A DECREASE OF 4.70 CENTS FROM THE CURRENT TAX RATE, UH, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ED, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE, LOVING AD VALOREM TAXES FOR THE USE AND SUPPORT OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF LEANDER, TEXAS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
YOU SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I JUST WANT YOU TO MAKE ME FEEL SECURE HERE.
TO STILL DO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN EXHIBIT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND TO NOT SINK THE SHIP, CORRECT.
THIS IS THE PART THAT ALWAYS MAKES ME NERVOUS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE DOUBLE CHECKING DOUBLE CHECK ME YET.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION IS WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, UM, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GO INTO THIS, UM, HAVING TO ADOPT A RIGHT AT THAT 0.4 5, 5, 2 6, 2, AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE, WE CAN, AND IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAD ADOPTED RIGHT AT 0.4 3, 2, 3, 2 5.
I'M OKAY WITH EITHER AS LONG AS ROBERT'S OKAY WITH EITHER, IT SOUNDS LIKE ROBERTS EITHER.
AND I SHOULD HAVE ADDED, THERE IS, UH, AGAIN, STATE MANDATED, UM, SPECIFIC WORDING OF THE MOTION.
IF OPTION B OH, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS IT OR I CAN READ IT.
KAREN, ARE YOU GOING OPTION B? IS THAT THE ONE YOU WISH ME TO READ YOU HOW YOU WANT TO DO? OKAY.
I MOVED AT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF 0.4 3 2 3 2 5, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 13 POINT 34% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.
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WAS THAT YOUR EMOTION THERE? SURE.IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, MR. POWERS WE'LL BRING THEM BACK FOR THE NEXT, MAYBE SOME PEPTO-BISMOL.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I WAS, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT I HEARD AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO ADOPT THE 0.16 NUMBER.
THAT'S ALL SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION.
I THINK I KNEW SHE SHARED THAT WITH ME
[25. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider the adoption of an updated Service and Assessment Plan for Calendar Year 2022 for the Oak Creek Public Improvement District and updated assessment roll to apportion assessment levied against property located in the District among subdivided lots. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance adopting an updated Service and Assessment Plan for Calendar Year 2022 for the Oak Creek Public Improvement District as described above.]
AND I'M 25 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022 FOR THE OAK CREEK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND UPDATED ASSESSMENT ROLE TO A PORTION ASSESSMENT LEVIED AGAINST PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT AMONG SUBDIVIDED LOTS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.UH, THIS IS THE ANNUAL, UH, PROCESS THAT W UM, CITY IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH SINCE WE HAVE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS IN THE, IN THE CITY ANNUALLY, UH, STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THE CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE ASSESSMENTS ON LOTS WITHIN A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS ARE CREATED UNDER CHAPTER 3 72 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
AND, UH, TODAY THE CITY OF LEANDER HAS CREATED THREE.
UM, OAK CREEK WAS THE FIRST CREATED IN JULY, 2014 AND THEN FOLLOWED BY CRYSTAL SPRINGS AND MARCH, 2017.
AND DEAR BROOKE IN JUNE OF 2017, UH, JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY, THIS IS, UH, OAK CREEK.
I'M SURE EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT WEST OF 180 3 IN SOUTH OF SAN GABRIEL.
UM, THE, UH, PITT ASSESSMENT IS, UH, THE, UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN THE, THE OAK CREEK PEG WAS CREATED, UH, BONDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $5.2 MILLION WERE SOLD, AND THAT ASSESSMENT WAS APPLIED ACROSS ALL OF THE PROPERTY IN, IN OAK CREEK.
AND, UM, THE ASSESSMENT VARIES BY THE SIZE OF THE LAW.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER FRONTAGE LOT, YOU HAD A, UM, A LESS OF A, OF AN ASSESSMENT IN 2020, THE CITY REFINANCED THE EXISTING DEBT, UH, TO ACHIEVE, UH, SAVINGS.
AND THAT BROUGHT THE, UH, ASSESSMENTS, UM, DOWN FOR, FOR EACH, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.
THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER PUT IN THAT WERE PAID, UH, THROUGH THE, THE, THE PIT BONDS, VARIOUS WATER AND WASTEWATER, UM, I MEAN, SEWER DRAINAGE, UM, AND, UH, OTHER, UH, PROJECTS IN, IN OAK CREEK.
UH, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO READ, BUT, UH, EVERY PROPERTY OWNER RECEIVED NOTICE OF THIS, A PUBLIC HEARING, AND ALSO THEY RECEIVED, UH, THEIR PERSONAL AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE FOR THEIR LOT.
SO IF, UH, THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAD A 41 FOOT LOT, THEY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS IN THE MAIL.
THE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR LOT HAS A REMAINING ASSESSMENT OF $6,394 AND 89, EVERY 69 CENTS.
UM, THEIR NEXT YEAR'S ASSESSMENT, ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED WOULD BE $480 AND 33 CENTS.
SO AS THEY MAKE PAYMENTS, JUST LIKE A HOUSE PAYMENT, THEIR ASSESSMENT, UH, REDUCES TO ZERO, A PROPERTY OWNER CAN PREPAY AT ANY TIME AND PAY OFF THE BALANCE.
I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT IN OAK CREEK, THERE'S 41 FOOT LOCKS, 50 FOOT, LOTS, 60 FOOT LOTS.
AND THEN THE HOA, UH, OWN PROPERTY ALSO HAS AN ASSESSMENT, AS WELL AS THE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES EACH HAVE A NECESSITY.
ONCE THE ASSESSMENT IS LEVIED, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FIXED AMOUNT UNLESS LIKE WE DID IN 2020 THERE'S, UH, A CHANCE TO REFINANCE GET A LOWER INTEREST RATE AND SAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF MONEY.
SO THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN THERE'D BE ACTION TO APPROVE THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED TO COURT TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL
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RIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.WE WILL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE ADOPTING AN UPDATED SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022 FOR THE OAK CREEK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[26. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider the adoption of an updated Service and Assessment Plan for Calendar Year 2022 for the Deerbrooke Public Improvement District and an updated assessment roll to apportion assessments levied against property located in the District among subdivided lots. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance adopting an updated Service and Assessment Plan for Calendar Year 2022 for the Deerbrooke Public Improvement District as described above.]
ITEM 26, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022 FOR THE DEERBROOK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND AN UPDATED ASSESSMENT ROLE TO A PORTION ASSESSMENTS LEVIED AGAINST PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT AMONG SUBDIVIDED LOTS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.NOW, THESE SLIDES ARE SIMILAR.
THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE DEER BROOK PIT, UM, AND THE NORTHERN PART OF LEANDER, UH, NORTH OF TOM GLENN HIGH SCHOOL, UH, DEERBROOK IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER TWO PITS.
IT HAS A NORTHERN AREA AND A SOUTHERN AREA, AND, UM, THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS THE, UH, NUMBER OF LOTS IN AGE, UM, AREA AND THE ASSESSMENTS THAT WERE APPLIED TO EACH LOCK AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT, UM, IS HOW THE ASSESSMENT IS DETERMINED.
UM, ALL OF THE, UH, PID FINANCED IMPROVEMENTS IN DEER BROOK HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND, AND PAID, UH, OUT TO THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER.
AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WERE FINANCED WITH IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LOTS.
THERE ARE A LOT MORE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES IN DEERBROOK, UM, BOTH IN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, BUT, UM, IF YOU MAY RECALL THIS, UH, SUMMER, WE BROUGHT BACK A REFINANCING OF, UH, SOME, UH, DEVELOPER REIMBURSEMENT OBLIGATIONS TO ACHIEVE SOME SAVINGS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT, THE SAVINGS WEREN'T AS GREAT AS WE HAD BEEN ANTICIPATING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT LAST YEAR, BUT THERE WERE SOME, SO THIS IS JUST, UH, THE DIFF SOME, A SAMPLE OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, LOT SIZES, BUT AGAIN, EACH PROPERTY OWNER IN, UH, THIS, UH, UH, SUBDIVISION RECEIVED THE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING, AS WELL AS AN INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT, UM, TO, FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR RECORDS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN THERE'S NOBODY WHO HAS SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE WILL NOW DISCUSS A CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE UPDATED SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022 FOR THE DEERBROOK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND MOTION.
AND THE SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[27. Conduct a Public Hearing to consider adoption of an updated Service and Assessment Plan for Calendar Year 2022 for the Crystal Springs Public Improvement District and an updated assessment roll to apportion assessments levied against property located in the District among subdivided lots, and to adjust boundaries between assessable and non-assessable lots. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance adopting an updated Service and Assessment Plan for Calendar Year 2022 for the Crystal Springs Public Improvement District as described above.]
YOU.I AM 27 CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022 FOR THE CRYSTAL SPRINGS, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND UPDATE ASSESSMENT ROLL TO A PORTION ASSESSMENTS LEVIED AGAINST PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT AMONG SUBDIVIDED LOTS INTO ADJUST BOUNDARIES BETWEEN ASSESSABLE AND NON-ACCESSIBLE LOTS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.
I THINK EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHERE CRYSTAL SPRINGS IS ADJACENT TO, UH, LAKEWOOD PARK.
THIS IS HOW THE ASSESSMENTS WERE APPLIED BASED ON THE, THE, THE LOT SIZES, UM, 98% ROUGHLY GIVE OR TAKE A FRACTION OF THE PROJECT EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN PAID OUT.
UM, IT'S MORE OF A PAPERWORK ISSUE ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE TO CLAIM THE BALANCE OF THAT MONEY THAT IS STILL HAD TO DO THEM.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT RESOLVED IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, AND THESE ARE JUST THE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES FOR CRYSTAL SPRINGS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
NOBODY HAS SUBMITTED CARDS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED? WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE ADOPTING AN UPDATED SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2022 FOR THE CRYSTAL SPRINGS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[28. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-007 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural), Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban), LO-1-A (Local Office), and LC-2-C (Local Commercial) to adopt the Enclave at Crystal Falls PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base zoning district of TF-2-A (Two-Family) and GC-2-A (General Commercial) on four (4) parcels of land approximately 19.534 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R559253, R031342, R031345, and R031341; and more commonly known as 10953, 10959, 10965, and 10981 E. Crystal Falls Parkway, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-007 as described above.]
ITEM 28 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 0 7.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR, ONE B SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL INTERIM SFS TWO, BE SINGLE FAMILY, SUBURBAN L O ONE, A LOCAL OFFICE AND LC TO LOCAL COMMERCIAL TO ADOPT THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS, PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT
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WITH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF TF TWO, A TWO FAMILY IN GC, TWO, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON FOUR PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 19.534 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POST-IT AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.SO THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY HEARD OF REQUEST ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDED MORE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID, I GUESS THEY GOT A NEW CONSULTANT, BUT THEY DID COME BACK WITH AN UPDATED REQUEST THAT DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THIS REQUEST INCLUDES A MIXTURE OF DUPLEXES AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS CASE WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THEIR AUGUST 11TH MEETING.
UM, THEY REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND THEY DID APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE FIRST PHASE INCLUDED 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL INCLUDES 2000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY DID, UM, APPROVE THE REQUEST.
UM, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS WHO SUBMITTED CARDS.
UM, SO WHEN I CALL YOU UP, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AT THE MICROPHONE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH, YOUR COMMENTS.
THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT'S JUST YOUR TIME TO TALK TO US.
UM, FIRST STEP I HAVE A NET SHOO, SORRY, NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
DID HE THINK, UM, AND THAT CHEF AT 41 FAIR OAK STREET, UM, JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS.
I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, I'M AGAINST NOISE POLLUTION, UM, BRIGHT LIGHTS.
UM, WE BACK UP AS, YOU KNOW, WE BACK UP, UM, TO WHERE THEY WANT TO NOW.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS IN THE, THE PLAN KEEPS CHANGING.
SO WE'RE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT COMES SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WHERE, UM, PEOPLE JUST DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE A SHORTCUT.
UM, IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS CURVES IN THERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED SPEED BUMPS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
WE HAVE WALKERS, WE HAVE HIGH SCHOOL TRACK TEAM THAT, UM, RUN JOGS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BICYCLISTS DEER PEACOCKS.
SO WE JUST WANT OUR ROADS TO CONTINUE TO BE SAFE.
UM, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE WHEN WE'RE EXITING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET ON TO CRYSTAL FALLS.
IF WE'RE TURNING LEFT, WE CANNOT SEE, I NOTICED THEY DID CUT SOME TREES DOWN SO WE CAN SEE TO SAFELY, UM, MANEUVER.
UM, BUT WE CANNOT SEE FOR THE BEAUTIFICATION.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, UM, WE JUST CANNOT SEE WHAT'S COMING.
AND SO WHEN YOU COMMIT, YOU JUST GOTTA GO AND PRAY THAT ANOTHER CAR DIDN'T SLIP BETWEEN THE TREES THAT WE COULDN'T SEE BEFORE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A LIGHT THERE.
UM, WE DON'T WANT A DEATH TO HAPPEN BEFORE A LIGHT GOES IN FOR OUR SAFETY.
UM, WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT INTEGRITY, UM, THE QUIETNESS, UM, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE.
UM, AND WE'LL OUR HOME VALUES DROP ARE.
UM, AND THEN THE WATERSHED, WE, WHEN IT RAINS LIKE IT DID, WE, OUR CREEK BED IS NORMALLY DRY AND WHEN IT RAINS, IT, UM, IT HAS A TENDENCY TO FLOOD IF IT RAINS TOO LONG.
UM, SO WE DON'T WANT THEIR WATERSHED ON TO OUR PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD HAVE CONCERN THAT REALLY DOESN'T, UM, PERTAIN TO THE DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET OUR WATER FOR THE CITY TO WATER, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO DRINK.
AND, UM, AND THEN THE ELECTRIC GRID TO, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE ELECTRICITY BEING USED.
CAN WE SUSTAIN THAT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, KEVIN CHEF 41 FAIR OAK STREET, LANDER.
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ACTUALLY I JUST TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER AND HE ANSWERS MOST OF MY QUESTIONS.UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY.
WE DO HAVE NARROW STREETS WITH A LOT OF CURVES, UH, JOGGERS, WALKERS, ANIMALS, ET CETERA THAT GO THROUGH THERE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PROPER PLACE, BUT SOMEHOW REQUEST A SPEED BUMPS IF POSSIBLE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED AND NOW DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 0 7 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL.
SO WHERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING OR? OKAY.
IF YOU WANT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I BELIEVE YOU YOU'VE ACTUALLY DONE WHAT WE ASKED FROM THE LAST WAS IT LAST NOVEMBER? YEAH.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND YOU'VE INCREASED THE COMMERCIAL AND RIGHT.
AND WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROPERTY DONE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL FOR THE PUBLIC.
JIM, BACK TO A 400 WESTBURG YOU'RE NOT A ONE NAME PERSON YET YOU HAVE TO ANNOUNCE YOURSELF SHARE.
UM, SO YEAH, I CAN ADDRESS A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.
HE MENTIONED IT'S MULTIFAMILY.
IT'S NOT MULTI-FAMILY, IT'S TWO FAMILY.
UM, LEANDER HAS A GREAT DARK SKIES ORDINANCE, SO ALL LINES WILL BE SHIELDED.
SO WE'LL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UH, CRYSTAL FALLS, WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE ACCESS AND NEEDS TO HAVE SOME SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUES, THE INTERSECTION, UM, AND PART OF OUR WATERSHED, UH, ABATEMENT PROGRAM, THIS, WE CAN'T PUT WATER ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ANY MORE THAN THEY CURRENTLY RECEIVE.
SO WE HAVE DETENTION AND WATER QUALITY.
ALL OF THOSE ITEMS BUILT INTO THE PLAN, STATE LAW.
IS THERE ANY ACCESS TO THEIR COMMUNITY WHAT'S GOING ON YET? I SEE A MASONRY SCREEN WALL ON YOUR PUD CONCEPT PLAN AND EXHIBIT C.
RIGHT? THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.
SO WE WOULDN'T BE DRIVING NOBODY FROM YOUR DIVISION.
WE HAVE NO DIRECT ACCESS TO THEM.
SO AS FAR AS THE COMMERCIAL, WHERE DID, WHERE DID THAT LAND? IT'S AT 60% OR THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS WORKING WITH STAFF.
WELL, THIS PROPERTY HAS GOT MULTIPLES, MULTIPLE STUFF THAT HASN'T BEEN ZONED YET.
THAT'S BEEN ZONED ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND LOCAL OFFICE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE BACKED UP TO THEIR, PROBABLY THEIR HOUSE.
UM, SO IT'S GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME TOGETHER HERE.
UM, OR WHILE YOU'RE THERE, SORRY.
UM, JUST FOR US AS WELL TO P AND Z MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU GET YOUR TEAM'S OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
I MEAN, BUT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMERCIAL UPFRONT, I JUST KNOW THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PRODUCTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US, WE HAVE ASKED FOR MORE COMMERCIAL AND I KNOW IT DOUBLED FROM 2000 TO 4,000, BUT IF THERE'S, I THINK IT SAID IN HERE 60,000 SQUARE FEET IS WITH CHILLER ESTIMATING.
THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL ROUGH ESTIMATE.
I THINK, UM, ONCE WE SIGN PLAN, CAUSE WE DID MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AFTER THAT, UM, WAS WRITTEN AND GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND TO THE COMMERCIAL.
A COUPLE OF MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET ON THE WESTERN PORTION, WENT BACK IN TO COMMERCIAL TO GET US TO THAT 60%.
AND SO WE'RE FIVE, MAYBE 600 FEET DEEP OR COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS VERY DEEP FOR THE RETAIL OR OFFICE KIND OF USES.
SO I THINK THE TRANSITION TO THE DUPLEX WAS AFFECTED FOR THE MEMBERS.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? NO MOTION TO APPROVE.
INCLUDING THE PNC RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT FOR, UM, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED ABOUT SPEED BUMPS.
IF YOU GO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE TO THE POLICE TAB, THERE IS AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN ROADS THAT ARE A CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO LOOK AT VARIOUS TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.
THAT WOULD BE THE PROPER CHANNEL FOR THAT.
[29. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-016 to amend the current zoning of LC-2-B (Local Commercial) to adopt the Sauterne Center PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) and TF-2-A (Two-Family) on three (3) parcels of land approximately 5.954 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Travis Central Appraisal District Parcel 353977 and Williamson County Central Appraisal District Parcel R514310 and R514309; and generally located to the southwest of the intersection of Sauterne Drive and N. Lakeline Boulevard on the west side of N. Lakeline Boulevard, Leander, Williamson and Travis Counties, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-016 as described above.]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM 29 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 0 1 6 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF LC TO BE LOCAL COMMERCIAL, TO ADOPT
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THE TURN CENTER PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF LC TO A LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND T F TWO, A TWO FAMILY ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 5.954 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN AND WELCOME BACK.THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SAW TURN CENTER, UM, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS REQUEST IS TO CHANGE A PORTION OF THE ZONING FROM, UM, LOCAL COMMERCIAL TO, TO FAMILY.
IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS PICTURE, BUT THE BOTTOM PIECE DOWN HERE IS THE DUPLEX.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THEIR MEETING ON AUGUST 11TH.
UM, DURING THAT MEETING, THE COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT THEY ADD A CONDITION THAT, UM, REDUCED THE DENSITY TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THERE WAS A FOUR TO TWO VOTE.
UM, IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE ASKED THAT, UM, THEY CHANGE IT TO ALLOW FOR 20 UNITS BECAUSE THE DENSITY PRESENTS AN ODD NUMBER.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A DUPLEX COMMUNITY.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S IT FROM OUR REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? I'VE GOT A 30 MINUTE POWERPOINT, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST DO Q AND A? YOU MAY SPEAK, UH, AND YOU ALL GET ME TWICE TONIGHT, WHICH IS A REAL ODDITY, BUT, UH, IT'S A 400 WEST ROAD WAY LEANDRA.
UM, I KNOW, UH, THIS COMES TO YOU WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, ALSO A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM P AND Z.
I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WHERE WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE KIND OF TAKING COMMERCIAL AWAY.
THIS IS A MIXED USE CORRIDOR, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
THE DEVELOPER FEELS LIKE HE CAN DO A GARDEN OFFICE PROJECT THAT IS VIABLE AT THE, UH, ON THE BULK OF THE BROWN PROPERTY AND ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO EMPLOYMENT, HOUSING, DUPLEX, OBVIOUSLY, WHICH WOULD BE FOR SALE OR RENT.
SO, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT MEETS THE SPIRIT OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UH, IT IS TAKING A LITTLE COMMERCIAL AWAY FROM THE TRACK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONE LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT IT FITS WITHIN THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
IT MEETS THE PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND WE'D APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
WE DID GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM A P AND Z THAT REQUESTED 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL TO BE BUILT INITIALLY.
AND 10 YEARS HERE, WE HAD TWO DESCENDING VOTES ON P AND Z BECAUSE THEY FELT 12, A UNIT SICKER WAS APPLICABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY VOTED AGAINST IT.
I WAS GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, NOT YET.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE ARE NOW DISCUSSING CONCERTED ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 0 1 6 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY COUNSEL.
SO HE, SO APPLICANT'S ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP TOO.
SO I'LL JUST TH THAT WAY WE MAKE SURE, UM, WE'VE JUST TAKE, WE'VE TAKEN A STAND ON, ON TRYING TO PRESERVE THE COMMERCIAL WE GOT.
AND SO I GUESS I'M, I, I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE A DIALOGUE IF THERE'S A DIALOGUE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND CLEAR COMMUNICATION THAT MAKES TRY TO, TO GET US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THERE'S CLEAR EXPECTATIONS SET TO, SO, UM, I HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, SO I'M JUST, UH, JUST TO SAY THIS, I AM IN DEEP CONFLICT OVER THIS SMALL PROJECT.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT IT JUST IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS GOING ON, UM, WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.
SO, UM, I'M THE ONE WHO SPOKE TO MR. BECHTLE AND JUST VOICED A CONCERN THERE WITH IT ALL BEING COMMERCIAL.
UM, THERE'S LIKE ON THIS, ON THIS PART, I'LL JUST SAY BOTH SIDES OF RIGHT.
UM, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR, MAYBE EVEN TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING, UH, STAFFS, UH, WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND SAID, STAFFS, I GOT STAFF'S APPROVAL AND I HAVE P AND Z'S APPROVAL, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW, IS THAT THE CASE? BECAUSE IF I'M TALKING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER ON THIS.
SO WE CURRENTLY DON'T MAKE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CASES.
WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CONFIRM IF IT IS, OR IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS IS A MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, WHICH ALLOWS LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL AS PART OF YOUR PROJECT, AS LONG AS YOU ARE, UM, LESS THAN 40%.
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AND HE'S MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.I JUST STRUGGLE WITH CHANGING COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
I CAN'T, I MEAN, IT DIDN'T MATTER HOW GOOD THE PROJECT IS.
I JUST, I CAN'T TAKE COMMERCIAL OUT.
I WOULD, I MEAN, IT'S JUST HARD TO BE.
UM, IT'S HARD TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN, WHEN, UM, HMM.
I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO SAY THIS.
I'M GONNA PROBABLY KEEP IT TO MYSELF RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU KEEPING IT TO YOURSELF? YEAH.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY MY, MY INITIAL REACTION LOOKING AT THIS WAS NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT JUST SEEING CHANGE IN COMMERCIAL TO ANYTHING RESIDENTIAL, WHEN IT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL, IT WAS LIKE, NO, UM, THAT THAT'S NOT OKAY.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT IT DEEPER AND REALIZING IT'S NOT THAT MANY UNITS, BUT ON THE SAME SIDE, THEN WHY NOT JUST BUILD ALL COMMERCIAL? SO IT'S, I KNOW WHY, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT ON THAT.
NO, I, I, I KNOW THIS IS AN UPHILL BATTLE.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STICKING TO YOUR GUNS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL AND LEANDER, THERE'S A LOT OF IT ON THE, ON THE BOOKS, THERE'S A LOT COMING.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR BUILDER WOULD LIKE TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT AS WELL, BECAUSE HE CAN BASICALLY GET IN THE PROJECT AND GET OUT A LOT QUICKER.
IF HE HAS TO BUILD THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL, THERE'S NOT A MARKET FOR IT TO BE BASICALLY THE ENTIRE TRACK.
SO HE WOULD PROBABLY BUILD A PORTION OF IT AND THEN IT WOULD SIT FOR AWHILE.
AND THEN MAYBE WHEN THE MARKET GOT BETTER THEN, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THE INTERNET'S AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH HOW WE WORK THESE DAYS, WHETHER OR NOT OFFICES INVOLVED, WE'LL USE IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S A WAY TO DEVELOP THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AT ONCE AND GET IT ON THE BOOKS, GET TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND GET MORE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT ON THE GROUND FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY HAVE HARD TIME RETAINING EMPLOYEES HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE.
SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT LITTLE ELEMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 20 MINUTES, IT'S A, DIMINIMOUS ON THE BIG SCALE.
BUT TO THIS PARTICULAR OWNER, IT'S, IT'S A WAY FOR HIM TO GET OUT, GET IN AND GET OUT.
AND HE'S UP, HE'S A, UH, OFFICE BUILDER.
AND, BUT HE WANTS TO BRANCH OUT AND TRY TO ABSORB THIS TRACK AS QUICKLY AS HE CAN, BECAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY HOW THEY MAKE MONEY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE INVOLVED.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER LANE OF LAKE LAND THAT HAS TO BE BUILT.
SO HE'S GOT A FUND, HIS PORTION OF THAT BOUNDARY STREET.
SO HE'S STILL GOT A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE THE CITY WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS FOR SIX MONTHS AND IT FELT LIKE WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SHE HAD TO STICK TO YOUR GUNS.
IT IS A MIXED USE CORRIDOR, WHICH ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT ARE WE WE'RE 20%, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EVEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MAXIMUM FOR, AND THIS IS WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH THIS ONE IS I DO THINK THAT IT'S VIABLE AS ENTIRELY COMMERCIAL, BUT WE HAVE IT AS A MIXED USE CORRIDOR, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THIS ZONING.
AND I FEEL LIKE BY HAVING THAT OVERLAY, THAT WE'VE ALLOWED THE APPLICANT TO INVEST ALL OF THIS TIME AND MONEY TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD.
AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THE SORT OF OVERLAY, MAYBE WE NEED TO RELOOK AT OUR MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY AREAS LIKE THIS, WHERE MAYBE WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, LET'S SAY ZERO TO 40% THOUGH.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AT 40.
I MEAN, I TOTALLY HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING.
THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY BROKEN IN HALF OUT TO COUNTY WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS CAUSE PORTION OF THE DRAINS, TRAVIS COUNTY, TRENT LAKE TRAVIS.
AND SO THERE'S KIND OF A CANYON BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW, HILL, COUNTRY CANYON, UM, LOOKING TOWARDS THE APPLE SPRING.
SO IT REALLY BRINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THE ABILITY TO PUT RESIDENTIAL IN HERE BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT KIND OF, YOU CAN'T PUT BIG, UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS ON WITH TYPOGRAPHY, BUT YOU CAN PUT SMALLER UNITS.
IS THAT FRONT LITTLE PIECE, OR I GUESS SOME
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THE SOUTHEAST, I MEAN, IS THAT, I MEAN, IF THE RESIDENTIAL, AS THEY ARE, CAN YOU REALLY GO AND DO ANYTHING WITH THAT SPOT? THAT'S PART OF THE DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT.SO THERE'S DETENTION OVER THERE.
AND WE'VE GOT JOINT USE ACCESS.
SO THERE'LL BE A LOOP ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH TO CONNECT BOTH THE USES TOGETHER OFF THE LAKE LINE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIMITED DRIVEWAYS ON LAKELINE.
SO CONNECTIVITY WITH ALL THOSE IS IMPORTANT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT LOOKS ODD THERE, BUT ALSO THERE'S KIND OF A TOPOGRAPHICAL CHANGE IN THAT AREA TOO.
DETENTION PONDS TEND TO BE ON THE FRONT EDGE, YOUR MOST VALUABLE, HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS? TELL HIM THERE'S ONLY REALLY THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT NOW.
AND WE HAD, WE HAD 13 OR 14 FOLKS THERE AND THEN THEY LISTENED TO US.
THEIR CONCERN WAS MORE ABOUT WHEN DID THEY TO EXPAND LIKE LINE, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH PLAN DENSITIES PATHOLOGISTS.
SO COUNSEL IS THE NEXT, WHICH CAMERON IS HERE TOO.
DOES THIS GET US CLOSER FROM ANYBODY? AND UH, OH, SORRY.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT, YOU ASKED FIRST.
OH, IS HE? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, DOES, DOES SOMETHING GETTING DEVELOPED HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE? DOES IT, DOES IT HELP US TO, TO, UH, GET THAT WIDE, THAT, THAT ROAD WIDE, SOONER AND SPARKED SOMETHING OR DOES IT, OR ARE WE BETTER OFF STICKING TO OUR GUNS? LIKE EVEN LIKE APPLICANT HAS SAID, ARE WE BETTER OFF STICKING TO OUR GUNS AND, AND WAITING FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOP HERE BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS I WORK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I KNOW ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I USED TO LIVE IN THE HOA AND THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT IS ALSO THAT, THAT ROAD.
SO ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC GETTING, I MEAN, I THINK A COUPLE OF ALL OF US LIVE CLOSE TO THERE AND, UM, WHAT GETS US CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT? SO THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO FRONT IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF FEE.
THAT'S GOING TO COME IN FROM HERE, FROM THIS, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT ANYWAYS.
BUT WHAT TOGETHER AS A GROUP, AS A STAFF, LIKE WHAT GETS US CLOSER TO THAT? I GUESS, TOO.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MAYBE ENGINEERING AND, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUESTION, BECAUSE MONEY COMING IN ON POSSIBLE.
WELL, I GUESS YOU REMEMBER MUST BE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM, CAMERON.
HEY, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UM, WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON THE, UM, ON THE SCREEN.
THAT'S THAT BASICALLY SAW TURN LIKE LINE.
UM, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, MAYBE YOU'RE WATCHING ONLINE BECAUSE YOU REALLY LOVE IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE WHETHER THE, THE CITY, THE CITY COUNCILS, UH, EFFORTS TO TRY TO PRESERVE EVERY BIT OF COMMERCIAL, THAT'S ALREADY ZONED VERSUS, UM, TRYING TO THINK AND MANAGE, UH, SOMETHING INDIVIDUALLY ON NOT JUST BLACK AND WHITE, BUT IS THIS, IS THIS A GOOD FOR THE CITY TO, TO GET SOMETHING GOING HERE? AND DOES IT SPARK, UM, SOMETHING ELSE BEING ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SAME, THE SAME STRETCH, I GUESS, UM, CAUSE YOUR OPINION, OPINION THAT JUST PERSONALLY, IT'S SO HARD TO GIVE UP THE COMMERCIAL AREA THAT WE HAVE JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO LIMITED.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL THERE REALLY, YOU COULD FIT THINGS.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A WEIRD SHAPE, BUT YOU COULD FIT ENOUGH ON THERE TO DO A COMMERCIAL WITH THE APPLICANT, SAID ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY TO DOES THAT CHANGE.
DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH TYPOGRAPHY? UM, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO, IF IT'S CHALLENGING TO A COUPLE OF SMALLER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ONE LARGER ONE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WORK THROUGH JUST FROM MY OPINION.
I JUST WANT TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BELABOR THE POINT HERE OR I'LL BE AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO, SO I HEAR THIS IS MAYBE JUST A COMMENT FOR US IN OUR PROCESS TOO, IF WE'RE, IF THIS IS OUR STANCE THAT I COUNSEL FIRST OFF, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE THE BAD GUY UP HERE AND NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SAY THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD AS A COUNCIL MEMBER TO LIKE, HAVE TO BE IN THAT POSITION.
UM, WE JUST SAID THAT TOO, BUT I'M NOT, I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR, LET'S SAY SIX MONTHS ISH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE IF WE JUST, IF SOMEBODY KNEW RIGHT AWAY THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THIS COUNCIL HERE MINUS ONE OF YOU, UM, HAS ACTUALLY PUT FORTH, UM, PROJECTS SIMILAR OR MORE LIKE ON A WAY MORE INTENSE CORNERS THAN THIS AND GIVEN UP PRIME COMMERCIAL LAND.
SO FOR ME, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SIT HERE AND SAY ON THIS SEVEN ACRE PARCEL.
LET'S LET, LET'S GO DO THAT WHEN WE'VE ALREADY DONE THOSE THINGS, I KNOW TWO WRONGS DOESN'T MAKE
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IT RIGHT.I UNDERSTAND THAT PORTION AS WELL TOO.
BUT, UM, I JUST WANT US TO REALLY BE ABLE TO LIKE WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO HERE.
UM, WE NEED TO LIKE BE ABLE TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THIS WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH OUR STAFF SO THEY CAN COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE WHEN THEY COME THROUGH HERE, UH, FOR SIX TO 12 MONTHS AND SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS REALLY RARE, ACTUALLY, THAT THAT'S WHAT I ACTUALLY MISSED THIS COMING THROUGH.
AND I'LL ADMIT IT TO ALL OF YOU GUYS.
I MISS THIS BEING A LITTLE ALREADY UNLOCKED BECAUSE I'M SO USED TO THESE THINGS ALREADY BEING, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S GETTING ANNEX IN OR BROUGHT IN AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
AND SO IT ALL BECOMES A PUD AS, AS IT COMES IN.
AND, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE RECENTLY WHERE IT'S ALL ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THEY'RE ASKING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD UNTIL TWO DAYS AGO WITH THIS ONE.
SO I'VE EVEN, I'VE EVEN SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT AND ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THESE THINGS.
AND MY OPINION CHANGED BECAUSE I'M GOING, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY I'M IN CONFLICT.
I'M, I'M, WE'RE IN A REALLY LIKE COMMON SENSE, SAYS LET'S TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT.
UM, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY AND OUR COMMERCIAL LAND.
UM, THERE'S NOT MANY THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED.
THERE WAS THIS, UM, MR. BECCA WAS, WAS THIS ORIGINALLY ZONED BY THIS, UM, PROPERTY OWNER? IS IT SOMEBODY ELSE? HE BOUGHT IT AS COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT.
WE NEED TO KEEP OUR COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND WE DON'T NEED TO START GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT IT.
WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL IT'S ALREADY ZONED AND WE NEED TO PRESERVE THAT IS WHAT I'M OF THE MIND FOR.
DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT? DENIED.
I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL OPPOSED 61.
[32. Discuss and consider action authorizing the BCRUA President to execute a construction contract with Thalle/SAK JV for the repair of the 36-inch underwater pipeline.]
SORRY.AUTHORIZING THE BCR UA PRESIDENT TO EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH SOULE, S A K J V FOR THE REPAIR OF THE 36 INCH UNDERWATER PIPELINE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR HIMSELF.
MAYOR COUNCIL, DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS, UM, EARLIER ABOUT, UM, THE COUNCIL APPROVING THE, UH, THE CRA BOARD RESOLUTION.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION PCR, A, UM, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR EMERGENCY REPAIRS OF THE UNDERWATER 36 INCH BCRA WALLED WATER LINE, ANY AMOUNT UP.
NOW, THIS IS THE AMOUNT FOR THE GANDER CAUSE WE'RE 46.67% OF THE 1.6.
SO OUR SHARE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $746,000.
AND IT'LL GO TO, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL GO TO FAIL, UM, SAC J V, WASHINGTON, TO APPROVE SECOND MOSHE, SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[33. Council Member Closing Statements.]
ITEM 33.COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS PLEASE.
UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY PLEASE, TO, WE DO HAVE A, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH REMEMBRANCE CEREMONY IN, UH, CEDAR PARK AT VETERAN'S PARK 8:00 AM AND LEANDER.
WE'LL BE HAVING ONE, TWO AS WE DID LAST YEAR IN FRONT OF THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR THE LANDER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO JUST A REMINDER, IF YOU WANT TO SELL, REMEMBER NINE 11, PLEASE THREE, PLEASE.
FIVE ALSO A GOOD NIGHT PRO TEM GOODNIGHT.
UH, AS ALWAYS IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP OUR DOLLARS LOCAL, OUR DINNER TONIGHT WAS PROVIDED BY SUBWAY HERE IN LEANDER.
UM, JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU ARE OUT AND ABOUT WITH YOUR FAMILY, PLEASE SHOP LEANDER FIRST, KEEPING OUR MONEY HERE KEEPS PEOPLE EMPLOYED HERE.
IT KEEPS OUR ECONOMY CHUGGING ALONG AND IT'S ONE MORE DOLLAR THAT CEDAR PARK DOESN'T TAKE.
UM, ALSO JUST A REMINDER FROM EARLIER TONIGHT, SEPTEMBER IS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH.
UM, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD TIME WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER AND EMERGENCY ROOM, UH, REPAIRS.
GOSH, IT'S A LONG NIGHT, UM, TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE PREPARED FOR ANY EMERGENCY.
THOSE OF US WHO SURVIVED SNOWMAGEDDON WILL REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING WITHOUT WATER.
SO REMEMBER ONE GALLON OF WATER PER PERSON PER DAY, UM, AND STOCK UP FOR SEVERAL DAYS, MAYBE A WEEK OR TWO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WATER, UM, AND,
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UH, LOOK INTO ALL THE OTHER PREPARATIONS YOU CAN MAKE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN TEXAS.[34. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to: (1) Section 551.072, Texas Government Code, to deliberate the acquisition of property located in E.D. Harrison Abstract No. 6, Williamson County, Texas, for the purpose of a utility easement with a temporary construction easement for FM 2243 Wastewater Project (CIP Project WW.43); and (2) Section 551.072, Texas Government Code, to deliberate the acquisition of property located in A. Carr Survey, Abstract No. 122, Williamson County, Texas, for the purpose of a wastewater easement with temporary construction easement for Ronald Reagan tank and booster pump (CIP Project W.46); and (3) 551.087, Deliberate the proposed economic development incentives for one (1) or more business prospects that the governmental body seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting development negotiations related to the following project(s): Project Fulcrum. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding: (1) FM 2243 Wastewater Project (CIP Project WW.43); and (2) Ronald Reagan tank and booster pump (CIP Project W.46); and (3) Project Fulcrum]
UM, WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ONE SECTION 5, 5, 1 0.07, TWO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY LOCATED IN ED, ERIC HARRISON, ABSTRACT NUMBER SIX, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF A UTILITY EASEMENT WITH A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR FM 2243 WASTEWATER PROJECTS, PROJECT WW 0.43 AND TWO SECTION 5 51 0.07 TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY LOCATED IN A CAR SURVEY ABSTRACT.NUMBER ONE TO, TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF A WASTEWATER EASEMENT WITH TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR RONALD REAGAN TANK AND BOOSTER PUMP CIP PROJECT W 0.46 AND 3 5 5, 1 0.087 DELIBERATE THE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE STATE OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATED TO THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS, PROJECT FULCRUM, AND WE ARE CONVENING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:50 PM.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION AT 10:41 PM TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING NUMBER ONE, FM 2243 WASTEWATER PROJECTS, CIP PROJECT WW DOT FOUR, THREE MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXECUTION OF A PURCHASE CONTRACT FOR UTILITY EASEMENT WITH THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF FM 2243 WASTEWATER PROJECTS, CIP PROJECT WW 43 AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY NECESSARY RELATED DOCUMENTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES, UNANIMOUSLY ITEM TO RONALD REAGAN TANK AND BOOSTER PUMPS, CIP PROJECT W DOT FOUR SIX MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION.
AND PROJECT NUMBER THREE, PROJECT FULCRUM MAYOR PRO TEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION WITH THAT.
COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED AT 10:41 PM.