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[1. Open Meeting.]
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2022, AND THE TIME IS 6:00 PM AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL.[2. Roll Call.]
CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE.WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CATHERINE BATTALION.
COUNCIL MEMBER S MACKEY LONGORIA.
COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD.
PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS SENEY.
[3. Receive presentation on San Gabriel Park Athletic Complex (CIP Project P.18) from Parkhill.]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECEIVE PRESENTATION ON SAN GABRIEL PARK, ATHLETIC COMPLEX C I P PROJECT P 18 FROM PARK HILL PARKS AND RIGHT.I'M THE C I P PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TODAY ARE A WONDERFUL, UM, TEAM FROM PARK HILL, UH, LED BY THE WONDERFUL MR. HENRY PARKER.
SO WE, UM, MY APOLOGIES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SHOW AT ST.
AND I'M GONNA BE SHORT AND SWEET TOO, SINCE WE'VE GOT LIMITED TIME.
UH, TONY MENTIONED A PRESENTATION.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY HOPING THIS IS MORE OF A DISCUSSION WE'RE HERE TO HEAR.
WE ARE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU AS MUCH AS YOU ARE TO HEAR FROM US.
CAUSE WE UN WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VISION, UH, FOR THIS PARK, WHAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT, THAT YOUR, YOUR WANTS, UH, YOU WANT KNOTS AND, AND ALL THAT.
SO, UM, FIRST OFF, JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF, OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE MET WITH THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
WE HAVE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
WE'VE TALKED, UH, WE DID A SITE ANALYSIS.
WE, WE TALKED THROUGH A COUPLE WHAT WE'RE CALLING, UH, SPA, SPATIAL STUDIES, SPATIAL DIAGRAMS. THESE AREN'T TRUE CONCEPTS.
THESE ARE REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR WHAT, WHAT CAN FIT ON THE SITE WHEN WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THIS, UH, WISH LISTS.
IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FIT AND WHAT WHAT DOESN'T.
SO WE LOOKED AT THREE, UH, CON OR SPECIAL DIAGRAMS WITH THEM.
WE TALKED THROUGH THEIR PRIORITIES.
UM, THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS SPORTS FIELDS, AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, AS IS WHAT THEY TOLD US.
AND SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR, UH, PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THE CITY, UH, OF LANDER HAS ZERO SOFTBALL FIELDS.
AND I'M, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT TO MEET THE POPULATION, I, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU NEED ABOUT 11, MAYBE 12, TO MEET THE POPULATION BASED ON, UH, THE RECOMMENDA, THE RECOMMENDED NUMBERS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AS MANY SOFTBALL FIELDS AS POSSIBLE, PLUS MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE OPEN SPACES FOR SOCCER, LACROSSE, FOOTBALL, ANY SPORT THAT CAN BE PLAYED ON A FIELD WOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO USE THESE FIELDS.
TRAILS OBVIOUSLY, UH, ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU WON'T SEE THAT TODAY JUST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE, BUT WE ARE, WE WILL HAVE A TRAIL NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE PARK.
ALSO, TYING IN TO THE EAST AND, UH, TO THE WEST PLAYGROUNDS AND ALL THE SUPPORT STRUCTURES THAT GO WITH, UH, SPORTS FIELDS, RESTROOMS, CONCESSIONS, PLAYGROUNDS, LOTS OF PARKING AND, UH, PICNIC, UH, FACILITIES.
WHEN LOOKING AT THE SPECIAL DIAGRAMS AND SPEAKING WITH THE PARKS BOARD, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SQUEEZE EIGHT FIELDS IN THERE.
UM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A BALANCE WITH A MULTIPURPOSE FIELD.
SO WE MAY JUST END UP WITH SIX.
UM, WE TALKED THROUGH THE OVERALL LIST OF PROGRAM ELEMENTS, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE.
SOME OF THESE ITEMS WERE, WERE RULED OUT AS, UM, JUST LOW ON THE PRIORITY LIST.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE ITEMS THAT HAVE BROUGHT UP SINCE THEN.
THE, UH, DISK GOLF, I GUESS, UH, HAS BEEN ADDED TO THIS LIST AS A POSSIBILITY.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, BUT THE, THESE SPECIAL DIAGRAMS THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU ARE BASED ON THE PRIORITIES AND THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WITH THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD.
THERE'S ONE THAT SHOWS EIGHT FIELDS ALL TOGETHER.
THERE'S THREE, EXCUSE ME, TALK LOUD.
THERE'S FOUR, 300 FOOT SOFTBALL FIELDS AND 4 220 FOOT SOFTBALL FIELDS.
SO 300 FOOT FIELDS ARE ADULT SIZE.
UH, ON THE OTHER CONCEPT, WE'RE
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DOWN TO SIX FIELDS, AND THAT'S JUST TO CREATE MORE OPEN SPACE.UH, YOU KNOW, DON'T CRAM THE, THE PARK FULL OF FIELDS WE HAVE.
UH, AND JUST AT LOOKING AT IT, I CAN SEE A COUPLE PLACES WHERE WE CAN FIT IN SOME MORE OPEN SPACE FOR MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS.
AT WHAT AGE DO THEY START USING THE ADULT FIELDS? THE 220 FOOT FIELDS WOULD GO THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
SO REALLY, WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT YOUR, YOUR VISION ARE.
UM, WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? HOW DO YOU SEE THIS? HOW CAN, WHAT DO THE CITIZENS OF LEANDER NEED? HOW CAN WE BEST DESIGN THIS PARK TO, TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AND YOUR VISION? I THINK THE 220 FOOT FIELDS WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF A PRIORITY THAN THE 300.
UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A DEMAND FOR, FOR YOUTH SOFTBALL.
UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO ANY SORT OF OVERLAP WHERE THE OUTFIELD ON SOME OF THESE SOFT FIELDS IS ALSO A MULTI-USE FIELD THAT COULD BE USED FOR SOCCER OR ANOTHER SPORT.
ESPECIALLY ON THE, ON THE LARGE FIELDS, YOU CAN ORIENT A SOCCER FIELD OR A FOOTBALL FIELD DIAGONAL ACROSS THAT, THAT'S COMMONLY USED.
THE ONLY ISSUE IS THAT IS PROGRAMMING AND SCHEDULING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S SIMPLY DONE.
THAT'S A, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SHOW THAT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT A FIELD FOR CRICKET? IS IT SIMILAR SHAPE FOR THE, UM, A CRICKET FIELD IS, IS VERY LARGE.
UM, IT WOULD NOT FIT ON ONE OF THESE SOFTBALL FIELDS, BUT WE COULD EXPLORE POSSIBLY CLOSEST TO ALONG 180 3 IN THIS AREA WHERE WE WE'RE SHOWING THIS LAWN.
THIS IS A PRETTY LARGE AREA WE COULD EXPLORE EXPANDING ON THAT TO BE A CRICKET FIELD.
UH, THE OTHER OPTION IS ACTUALLY TO TIGHTEN THIS UP AND HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE, THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE CREEK ITSELF.
IS THERE A POTENTIAL ON A CRICKET FIELD TO MAKE IT MULTI-USE? LIKE CAN YOU FIT SOCCER FIELDS ONTO IT OR? YES, YOU COULD FIT QUITE A BIT ON A CRICKET FIELD.
CRICKET FIELD IS VERY LARGE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, JUST SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND THE CRICKET FIELD, THERE'S A, I GUESS, OBVIOUSLY A NEED FOR IT.
AND ARE YOU PROPOSING, OR MAYBE WE'RE NOT FAR ENOUGH INTO THIS, ARE YOU PROPOSING GRASS OR ARTIFICIAL TURF? PART OF OUR SCOPE OF WORK IS A, IS A COST ANALYSIS.
SO WE'LL BE MEETING WITH CITY STAFF AND LOOKING AT THEIR, THEIR, UH, MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES, THEIR MAN HOURS AND, AND LABOR RATES.
COMPARING THAT TO SYNTHETIC TURF.
WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT THE COST OF IRRIGATION AND WE'LL HAVE A STUDY FOR THAT HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN THIS IS BUILT, WE'RE STILL PROBABLY GOING TO BE BEHIND THE DEMAND.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I KEEP GOING WITH THE, WHAT OTHER USES CAN WE PULL OUT OF THIS? SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US, YOU KNOW, COST EFFECTIVELY TO, UM, GET SE, YOU KNOW, USE OUT OF IT MORE THAN JUST A SEASON, I, I THINK WOULD, WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN AFFORD IT.
IN THE, THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, THERE WAS A BIG INTEREST IN THE SYNTHETIC TURF, OF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF HOURS YOU CAN PLAY ON IT, THE COST, THE UPFRONT COST IS SHOCKING, BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE NUMBER OF HOURS, IT'S ALMOST AROUND THE CLOCK.
AND THERE'S NO WEATHER DELAYS.
THAT'S ALSO A BIG, THAT'S TRUE.
UH, AS SOON AS IT RAINS, YOU CAN BE ON IT IN 30 MINUTES VERSUS THREE DAYS.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THAT.
COUNSEL, WHAT ELSE DO Y'ALL HAVE? SO I SEE THERE'S AN, I THINK IT'S A NATURE TRAIL AREA MM-HMM.
IS THERE ANY TYPE OF WALK PATH OR ANYTHING, OR RUNNING PATH? YES, THAT'LL BE, UM, THERE'S A HISTORIC BUILDING IN THERE THAT WE HAVE TO PRESERVE, AND THEN WE'RE EXPLORING THE PROGRAMMING FOR THAT.
UH, WITH CITY STAFF, THERE'S IDEAS OF KIND OF BRINGING IN, UH, THE DINOSAUR MOTIF, UH, KIND OF A THEME.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE A WALKING TRAIL.
THERE WILL BE A, A TRAIL HEAD, A PARKING LOT, PROBABLY SOME SHADE STRUCTURES IN THERE.
SO IT'LL BE DEVELOPED INTO REALLY JUST A, A NATURAL AREA THAT YOU CAN WALK AND ENJOY.
AND THE LEVEL OF PROGRAMMING IS NOT DECIDED, BUT THERE COULD BE, UH, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE, MAYBE SOME, UH, AREAS WHERE YOU COULD DIG IN THE SAND AND KIDS, SOME FIND DINOSAUR BONES OR FOSSILS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, LOT OF POTENTIAL IN THAT AREA IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OVERALL, UM,
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FEEDBACK FROM US, JUST AS FAR AS GENERAL DIRECTION.UM, IT WAS MORE SO THE SMALLER FIELDS LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU JUST SAID.
SO LIKE HAVING FOUR OF THOSE FIELDS KIND OF AS CLOSE TOGETHER AND KIND OF WHATEVER THAT SHAPE IS CALLED, YOU KNOW, ALMOST CREATES A SQUARE, BUT LIKE RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN MULTI-USE FIELDS WAS THE OTHER BIG ONE.
I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF USES, BUT WE HAVE, UM, UH, RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES I THINK IS, UH, ON OUR SOCCER FIELDS DOWN AT BLEDSO PARK, AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE NEEDING TO USE THE FIELDS TOO, AND HAVING ENOUGH ROOM FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, ONE A AND ONE B, UM, IF THERE REALLY WAS SUCH A THING.
AND SO, EVEN IF ANOTHER, LIKE WITH, WITH THE VIC FIELDS, IF, IF WE CAN GET MORE USE OUT OF A TRUE, LIKE TWO TRUE MULTI-USE FIELDS THAN TWO 300 FOOT SOFTBALL OR BASEBALL FIELDS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR, FOR EVERYBODY AS A WHOLE.
WITH THE SYNTHETIC GRASS, YOU CAN OVERLAY LINES, SMALL LINES, AND BASEBALL FIELDS ONTO A LARGE, UH, SYNTHETIC TURF AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DOUBLE UP ON YOUR LAND USE.
I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN KICKBALL FIELDS, WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, DO THEY, CAN YOU DO CRICKET? I GUESS YOU COULD DO CRICKET ON ANYTHING, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW ANY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BALL BOUNCES AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF OFF OTHER THINGS, BUT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO ANSWER, YEAH.
I NEED TO BRUSH UP ON MY CRICKET RULES.
UM, OUR POPULATION SKEWS MUCH YOUNGER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, AND IT'S, IT'S OUR YOUNG FAMILIES THAT ARE HERE.
SO I THINK, UM, ANYTHING THAT GETS KIDS OUT AND ACTIVE, THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR THAT OVER THE ADULT SPORTS.
AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE THE ADULT FIELDS, I THINK THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DEMAND FOR, FOR YOUTH.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL, BUT, UM, LIKE WE HAVE LAKEWOOD PARK, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT DOESN'T HAVE A TON OF PARKING BLOOD.
WHEN YOU ARE ANTICIPATING USAGE OF THESE FIELDS, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE PARKING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH THERE FOR ALL OF THE USAGE GOING AT ONCE? LIKE, IF WE WERE TO DO TOURNAMENTS, SO THE, THE NUMBER OF PARKING WILL DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF PLAY, WHETHER IT'S REC OR TOURNAMENTS.
FOR TOURNAMENTS, YOU TYPICALLY, THE TEAMS COME AND THEY STAY MM-HMM.
SO YOU NEED A NUM, A LARGER NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PER FIELD.
SO WE ARE EXPLORING THAT, UM, WITH CITY STAFF AND THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF TOURNAMENTS, IF ANY, WILL, WILL THEY BE LOCAL? WILL THEY JUST BE INTERLEAGUE OR ARE YOU GONNA TRY TO DRAW TOURNAMENTS FROM THE REGION OR FROM ACROSS TEXAS? SO THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S A BIG QUESTION THAT WE, WE NEED TO ANSWER.
IN THE PAST, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS PARK AS SORT OF A PLACE TO HOST THOSE TOURNAMENTS SO THAT WE COULD USE HOT FUNDS MM-HMM.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT FUNDING MECHANISM.
REALISTICALLY, IS THIS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO THAT? IS WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU AND WOULD ASK OUR STAFF IS REALISTICALLY, CAN WE DO THAT? BECAUSE WHAT I'M, WHAT I KNOW OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
SO WITH FOUR, WITH FOUR FIELDS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRAW LARGE TOURNAMENTS.
IF YOU COULD HAVE EIGHT FIELDS, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY DO IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN FIT.
AND IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BALANCE SOFTBALL FIELDS AND MULTIPURPOSE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET EIGHT FIELDS.
SO AS A TOURNAMENT DRAW, LIKE A REGIONAL DRAW, IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.
SO AS A FORMER PARENT THAT STAYED ALL DAY AT THE PARKS
CUZ AS A PARENT, AND IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR DRAGON LITTLES ALONG WITH YOU WHILE THE BIG IS PLAYING, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ENCLOSED PROXIMITY, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH BRINGING YOUR ICE CHEST AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO REFILL.
AND SO WHEN WE DESIGN BASEBALL COMPLEXES, SOFTBALL COMPLEXES, WE DON'T JUST FOCUS ON THE SPORT, WE FOCUS ON THE FULL FAMILY.
WE REFER TO IT AS A PARK WITHIN A PARK.
WE PROVIDE LOTS OF SHADE, LOTS OF RESTROOMS, AND EVEN A PLAYGROUND WITHIN THE COMPLEX.
SO THOSE WITH LITTLE KIDS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE COMPLEX.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR KID RUNNING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PARK OR THE PARKING LOT.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S LOTS OF SHADE.
WE, WE TRY TO KEEP THE FIELDS APART, WE TRY TO SPREAD THEM OUT TO KEEP IT AN OPEN FEEL SO YOU'RE NOT WALKING JUST DOWN THE CHUTE OF CHAIN LINK FENCE.
AND THAT REALLY HELPS, UH, IN THE FEEL IN THE, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A MORE ENJOYABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYBODY ON THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THIS AREA WHERE 180 3 IS DOING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION? WELL, THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE BRIDGE.
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UM, BUILDING UNDER A HIGHWAY CAN BE A CHALLENGE.CAUSE UM, IT CAN BE DARK, NOTHING GROWS DOWN THERE.
SO WE USE A LOT OF PAVING, A LOT OF STONE.
UM, WE CAN USE MURALS, TRY TO LIGHTEN IT UP.
UM, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ROAD NOISE, BUT IT CAN BE, UH, SORRY, I'M JUST GONNA SEE IT.
CTM A IS ALREADY PLANNING AND DESIGNING THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY UNDER THE BRIDGE FANTASTIC.
SO IT WILL BE COMPLETED WITH 180 3 A OKAY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST CONNECTING FROM, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE RIGHT PAN OR THE EAST SIDE ALONG THE TRAIL, ALL THE WAY UP INTO WHERE THAT CONNECTION WILL BE MADE AT THE ENTRANCE TO CLARIFY.
IT'S OUR, WHERE'S THE MAIN ENTRANCE? I SEE THESE TWO, THE BLACK THOUGHTS FOR YES.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
THE, THE THE DASH, THE BLACK DASH LINES INDICATE, UH, THE MAIN ROADS, UM, ON A PARK LIKE THIS SIZE WITH THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE WILL NEED AT LEAST TWO ENTRANCES.
UM, BUT YOUR TWO ENTRANCES GO INTO ONE ROAD INTO THE PARKING.
DON'T YOU THINK THAT WOULD BOTTLENECK? IS THERE A WAY TO DO A SECOND? WELL, IF WE HAD TWO ROADS GOING INTO THE PARKING, IF THERE WERE EVENTS, WE COULD EVEN HAVE ONE IN ONE OUT.
BUT TO GET PEOPLE OVER TO THE OTHER, TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CROSS.
IT'S A REALLY EXPENSIVE BRIDGE.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING MULTIPLE BRIDGE, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE A FOUR-LANE BRIDGE.
SO IT'D BE A WIDER ROAD THAN A TYPICAL PARK ROAD JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF BUILDING THOSE, THOSE BRIDGES.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT A, I THINK A SPORTS COMPLEX OVER LAST FEW YEARS, WHY IT WAS SUCH A HARD THING TO ENVISION THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST PIECES OF IT.
IN ONE OF NOTHING ELSE MATERIALIZED, THIS IS THE NEED FOR OUR CITY.
SO WE NEED THE BALL FIELD, SO THIS IS WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
UM, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS WAS HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE OVER TO THAT OTHER SIDE? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S, IT'S COSTLY AND IN PHASE ONE AND YOU KNOW, TO BE REALISTIC, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BRIDGE IS GONNA EAT UP THE MAJORITY OF THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, WHAT I THINK WE'LL LOOK AT IT, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, IS ACTUALLY PULLING MAYBE THE FOURPLEX OF THE SMALL FIELDS, UH, TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK CLOSER TO 180 3.
AND THAT WAY IT, AT LEAST IN PHASE ONE, YOU CAN GET THE FOURPLEX WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THE CREEK AND YOU DON'T INCUR THAT COST, GET THE, MAYBE THE BIGGEST BANG FOR A BUCK IN PHASE ONE.
SO GOING BACK TO THE ROAD, WHAT IF YOU WERE TO, UM, BECAUSE COMING IN, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC TURNING INTO THERE.
SO WHAT IF THAT'S CORRECT? YOU WERE TO DO AN INROAD ON THE SOUTH, AN OUT ROAD ON THE NORTH.
UM, AND WHEN PEOPLE GET TO THAT CONNECTOR, THEY CAN EITHER CHOOSE THAT SMALLER ROAD OUT OR TO CONTINUE STRAIGHT TO PARKING, AND THEN THAT CAN SORT OF, THE WAY IT ALIGNS, IF THAT CAN ALIGN INTO THE FOUR LANES.
SO THERE'S TWO LANES, TWO LANES FROM EACH ONE, SO THAT FOR EVENTS OR TOURNAMENTS, WE CAN KIND OF PUT CONES DOWN THAT CENTER TO DO IN AND OUT TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU'RE SAYING THE MAKE THE SOUTH ENTRANCE ENTRANCE YES.
ENTRANCE ONLY MAKE THE NORTH EXIT EXIT ONLY JUST TO KEEP FROM THAT BOTTLENECK.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MANY KIDS COMING INTO PLAY, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A MESS IF IT'S BOTH, BOTH LANES COMING IN.
AND IF THEY MEET RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE, THEN YOU COULD DO CONES DOWN THE CENTER OF THE BRIDGE AND HAVE TWO LANES GOING IN, TWO LANES GOING OUT AND HAVE THEM EMPTY STRAIGHT INTO BOTH OF THOSE ROADS.
PART OF OUR SCOPE ALSO IS A, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT ALONG 180 3, BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOWS WITHIN THE PARK.
DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US? I THINK SO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR? I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE THE DISC OFF THAT GUYS ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT TOO, IS THAT SOMETHING IN OTHER PARKS WHERE YOU CAN, THAT CAN GO THROUGH ANY KIND OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE UH, DRY CREEK OR KIND ANY KIND OF WOODED AREA? IT CAN, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO PLAY WITH IT.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW IT LAYS OUT WITH, UH, ALL THE OTHER ITEMS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'LL BE COMPLETELY HONEST, I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH OKAY.
SO IT'LL BE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME AS WELL.
BUT, UM, IT IS BECOMING MORE POPULAR, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY NEED TO DO.
UM, MR. TOSS, MR. BES, DID EITHER OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, MA'AM.
[4. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to Section 551.074, Personnel, to discuss appointments to the Planning & Zoning Commission and Board of Adjustment. Reconvene into open session and adjourn the briefing workshop.]
THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR,[00:20:01]
CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5 1 0.074 PERSONNEL TO DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.[5. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2022, AND THE TIME IS 7:06 PM AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL.PROTIME THOMPSON WILL BE PROVIDING THE INVOCATION FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE COLORS BY CUB SCOUT PACK 2 33, WHO WILL ALSO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE.
IF YOU AT ALL, BOW YOUR HEAD AND CLOSE YOUR EYES.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US ALL TO THIS PLACE.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A VOICE TO WORSHIP AND PRAISE AND UPLIFT YOUR NAME.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR EACH ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM FOR OUR FAMILIES.
THANK YOU FOR GOOD HEALTH AND GOOD STRENGTH.
THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILIES, AND OUR PARENTS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE GET TO LIVE IN AND CALL HOME.
DEAR GOD, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THESE LEADERS THAT ARE HERE ON THIS DIAS AND ALL THE ONES THAT ARE HERE IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT.
CONTINUE TO WATCH OVER US, LEAD US AND GUIDE US.
HELP US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE ALWAYS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY DEARLY.
FATHER, I JUST COME PRAYING THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO PROTECT US, KEEP US SAFE, AND HELP US TO KEEP OUR EYE TURNED TOWARDS YOU.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS, WE PRAY AND ASK IT ALL.
SALUTE THOSE NOT IN UNIFORM, PLEASE PLACE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
UM, COLOR GUARD PREPARED A POST THE COLORS.
UM, PLEASE RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE ALLEG TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, WHY PLEDGE BELIEVE MR. TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
GOT THIS COLOR CARD, POST TO COLORS.
UM, COLOR CARD, RETURN TO RANKS.
[6. Roll Call.]
YES.CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CATHERINE BATTALION PARKER.
COUNCIL MEMBER ESME MACKEY LONGORIA.
COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD.
PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS SENIC.
MAYOR CHRISTINE DE LAW HERE, UH, QUORUM IS PRESENT AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS ELIGIBLE
[7. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda. Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council. [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.] ]
TO DO BUSINESS.WE'RE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS IS NOT A TIME FOR BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE.
IT IS JUST A TIME FOR YOU TO TALK TO COUNSEL AND BE HEARD.
UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE CHRISTOPHER ALBERT.
DID WE NOT DO THAT? UH, NO SIR.
IT'S BEEN GIVEN THAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN PRICING.
SO PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME'S CHRISTOPHER ALBERT.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1420 POSITANO PASS HERE IN LEANDER.
AND I'M THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE, UH, HILL COUNTRY HEISS DISC GOLF CLUB.
THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS JUST TRY
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TO ADVOCATE FOR ADDITIONAL DISC GOLF COURSES IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, PRIMARILY AT THE SAN GABRIEL PARK THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED EARLIER.UM, WE'VE SEEN THE SPORT GROW TREMENDOUSLY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND ESPECIALLY IN LEANDER.
AND RIGHT NOW LEANDER ONLY HAS ONE 18 HOLE DISC GOLF COURSE.
WE'VE BEEN PARTNERING CLOSELY WITH THE PARKS AND RECS DEPARTMENT TO IMPROVE THAT COURSE.
AND THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS THAT ARE BEING PLAYED HAVE INCREASED BY 15 TIMES OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM TO RENOVATE THAT PARK, UH, ADD CONCRETE TEE BOXES AND KIND OF BRING IT UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
BUT ONE PARK ALONE IS NOT GONNA WORK FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND THE DESIRE TO PLAY.
WE RUN A WEEKLY LEAGUE THAT ON MONDAYS THAT SEES ON AVERAGE ABOUT 50 PLAYERS, FLOODS THE PARKING LOT AND WE PARK IN EXTRA PARKING AT BENBROOK.
AND, UM, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO PARTNER, HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO WORK TOGETHER AT OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD OTHER PARKS AND DISC GOLF COURSES, UH, THROUGHOUT LEANDER.
SO WITHOUT SLIDES, THAT'S ABOUT THE BEST I CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL THAT SHOWS, UH, WHO WE ARE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 450 MEMBERS ON FACEBOOK AND 60 TAG HOLDING MEMBERS ACROSS, UH, THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
THOSE ARE FOLKS WHO COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, PLAY REGULARLY.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S ABOUT IT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN CONTINUING TO PARTNER WITH PARKS AND REC AND CITY OF LEANDER TO GROW THIS BOARD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ALBERT.
MR. JENSEN, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HOW DID, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DISC GOLF COMMUNITY.
I OWN AND OPERATE A DISC GOLF MANUFACTURER IN AUSTIN.
UH, THESE GUYS BEHIND ME, YOU JUST TALKED, CHRIS, UH, AND HIS CLUB HAVE DONE PHENOMENAL WORK AT BUILDING DISC GOLF COURSES, OR AT LEAST RENOVATING THIS NEW ONE.
UH, I RUN AROUND 30 TO 50 TOURNAMENTS.
UM, I'M HERE TO REALLY EXPRESS TO YOU THAT THE IMPACT WE CAN HAVE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WITH THESE TOURNAMENTS.
WE BRING IN, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF SPECTATOR OR SPECTATORS AND PLAYERS OVER, UH, THE COURSE OF TWO TO THREE DAYS OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, IN TERMS OF GREENS, FEES, PARKING, ANYTHING ELSE YOU GENERATE.
JUST THAT ALONE IS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT GO STRAIGHT TO THE CITY.
UM, WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE IMPACT THEY'LL HAVE REALLY ON THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITH THE CONVENIENT STORES.
ANYTHING ELSE THEY'RE STOPPING.
AND THE DISC GOLF COURSES IN GENERAL, THE TOURNAMENTS THAT RUN IN TEXAS, UH, THREE YEARS AGO THERE WAS ONLY 300 THAT WERE PROFESSIONALLY DONE.
THIS YEAR THERE'S ON PACE TO BE CLOSE TO A THOUSAND.
SO JUST IN THREE YEARS WITH IT'S, IT'S GROWN THREEFOLD, MAINLY DUE THE PANDEMIC AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE TO, TO GET INTO THE SPORT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO HAVE MORE VENUES SO THAT I CAN BRING EVENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN, CAN DO THAT IN YOUR CITY.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
IT'S ONE OF THE NEWER COMMUNITIES.
IT'S CALLED BONNET ONE ACRE LOT, RIGHT NEXT TO HE HEB, THE NEW HE HEB WE SIGNED ONE YEAR AGO.
AND, UH, I DO RESEARCH FOR LIVING.
SO I READ LIKE 300 PAGE OF DOCUMENT EVERY DAY AND FOR MY COMPANY AND WHICH MAKES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE RESEARCH I DO.
I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, NO STREETLIGHTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEN I STARTED READING THE ZONING DOCUMENT, WHICH WAS 600 PAGES DOCUMENT.
I READ THE DOCUMENT AND THEN REALIZED THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN MY STREET AT LEAST BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE HOMES.
THEN I WENT BACK TO THE BUILDER AND I ASKED THE BUILDERS, MILESTONE BUILDERS, COMMUNITY BUILDERS, I WENT TO THEM AND THEY SAID, UH, WE GOT A VARIANCE.
AND THEN THAT VARIANCE WAS APPROVED IN CITY OF LIRA APPROVED IN JAN 28, 20 20 SEEING.
AND THE VARIANCE WAS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE SIDEWALKS, IF THE SIDEWALKS ARE BUILT IN THIS COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE REQUIRED TO BUILD ON A SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE HOMES, THE REASON THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THESE, THEY HAVE TO CUT DOWN, MAKE SURE TREES.
AND IF YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET, THERE ARE ZERO TREES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY LOOKED AT IT BEFORE APPROVAL, BUT IT WAS APPROVED AND IT WAS NOW WRITTEN ON THE STONE IS WHAT I REALIZED.
AND I WENT TO A LEGAL, AGAIN, I CANNOT AFFORD LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY.
SO THAT'S WHERE I STOPPED MY RESEARCH.
AND THEN I MOVED INTO THE HOME FOUR, FOUR MONTHS AGO.
AND I'VE SEEN LIKE THERE IS A DOWNHILL, IF YOU GUYS SEE THE WATER TANK, LEANDER WATER TANK ON RONALD REAGAN.
AND THE COMMUNITY IS RIGHT BELOW, LIKE THERE'S A 30 TO 40 DEGREE ROAD, THE SPEED LIMIT POSTED IS 30.
EVEN IF I'M DRIVING 30, MY CAR AUTOMATICALLY RUNS TO 40 SPEED LIMIT UNLESS I APPLY BRAKES.
AND PEOPLE ARE FLYING THERE THE OTHER DAY, IT'S NOT MY JOB, BUT I WAS CUTTING MY LAWN AND I ASKED ONE PERSON TO SLOW DOWN AND THE GUY CAME BACK AND THEY SHOUTED AT ME SAYING, I SHOULD HAVE NOT DONE THAT.
I'M GLAD HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO THREATEN ME, BUT HE SAID, I'M NOT A COP.
SO I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT I LET IT GO.
I PUT HIS CHILD IN FRONT OF THE
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HOME, BUT THIS IS THE BEST I AM TRYING TO DO TO SAVE MY CHILDREN.I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, FIVE, AND THIS IS A BRAND NEW COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO, BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS, I GAVE UP.
LUCKILY MY, MY NEIGHBOR WHO SAID TRIED TALKING IT IN THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WENT TO THE BUILDER, NOTHING.
I WENT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, I APPROACHED CHIEF OF STAFF AND HE SAID, IT IS ALREADY SET IN STONE.
UH, MICHAEL KNEW, HE SAID, WE ARE TO CONTACT THE HOA.
I WENT TO THE HOA AND THE LADY SAID, UH, THIS 110 HOMES, BARNETT COMMUNITY ONE ACRE IS PART OF 1500 HOMES.
LOCKSPORT BUILDERS, THE HOA IS COMMON.
SO ANY COMMON SENSE PEOPLE WILL NOT AGREE FOR A HUN TO SEVERAL HUNDRED AND 10 PEOPLE, WHY SHOULD 1500 HOMES SHOULD SPEND THAT MONEY? SO THAT'S THE SAME ANSWER I GOT FROM THE HOA ALSO SAYING THAT FOR A SMALL STREET, THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO BUILD A COMMUNITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO END, BUT THIS IS MY REQUEST FOR YOU GUYS TO, I JUST WON'T PUT MY PROBLEM IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
AND YOU HAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND MY PHONE NUMBER.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING I CAN DO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU CAN DO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
THANK YOU CAT HOWELL, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CAT HOWELL PICKLE MASON HOUSE.
AND, UM, I WILL NOT BE DOING MY USUAL HISTORY TALK THIS EVENING, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT COYOTES.
WE HAVE A MAJOR COYOTE PROBLEM HERE IN LEANDER.
AND, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR NEWER FOLKS, WE'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, MY MOTHER CALLED THE FEDERAL COYOTE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE 20 YEARS AGO, AND THEY CANNOT HELP US HERE.
SO, UM, THE PROBLEM IS ONLY GETTING WORSE BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE GROWING AND WE ARE BUILDING MORE, AND WE ARE ENCROACHING UPON THEIR NATURAL HABITAT.
AND COYOTES ARE VERY ADAPTABLE AND THEY HAVE BECOME URBAN COYOTES HERE.
SO I WANT TO GIVE A FEW THINGS, A FEW TIPS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, PLEASE DO NOT FEED COYOTES.
UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT FEED THEM AND THAT'S A NO-NO, ABSOLUTE NO-NO.
UM, THEY ARE, THEY ARE CANINES, BUT THEY ARE NOT DOGS.
UM, THEY CARRY DISEASES THAT YOUR DOGS CAN GET.
SO IT, AND THEY ARE, THEIR SHOTS ARE NOT UP TO DATE LIKE OUR DOGS ARE.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KEEP THE COYOTES A FAR AS FAR AWAY FROM YOUR DOMESTIC ANIMALS AS POSSIBLE.
COYOTES IN, IN NATURE, COYOTES EAT MICE, RATS, RACCOONS, POSSUMS, BASICALLY ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF THAT HAS FOUR LEGS.
UM, THEY, THEY WILL ALSO EAT BIRDS ON OCCASION, AND THEY, THEY DO EAT SNAKES AND CREEPY CRAWLIES.
UM, BUT THEY LOVE CAT AND THEY LOVE DOG.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE FEEDING THE COYOTES, YOU'RE JUST MAKING A SNACK UNTIL THEY CAN GET TO YOUR OWN CAT AND YOUR OWN DOG OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S DOG OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S CAT.
SO PLEASE DON'T FEED THE COYOTES.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, OH, I GOT LOST.
I DON'T HAVE MY, UM, BOARD TO KEEP ME ON TRACK.
I DID SPEAK WITH LEANDER ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER ELLIS, AND SHE GAVE ME A FEW POINTERS THAT THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE HAS TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DOES NOT HAVE A COYOTE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
WE DO NOT HAVE A COYOTE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM HERE, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES.
AND AS I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST, THEY ARE OVERWHELMED AND THEY CANNOT HELP US HERE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A NUISANCE COYOTE, THERE IS VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO PERSONALLY THAT CAN HELP.
UH, NUMBER ONE, I'VE, I'VE SAID DON'T FEED THE COYOTES.
ALSO DON'T LEAVE FOOD OUT FOR THE FERAL CATS.
UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN THE PERIPHERY, AND IF THEY HAVE A MAMA CAT AND KITTENS, THEY LIKE TO JUST DUMP 'EM IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'LL BE DEAD WITHIN A WEEK.
WE HAVE RING CAMERAS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
DANIEL HAVER, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HONORABLE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME'S DANIEL HAVER, UH, 34 44 TWIN SPUR.
I'M IN THE BONNET, HOMESTEADS THAT SANTOSH IS IN.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSALS.
I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST A MONTH NOW AND COMING OFF OF EQUIN STREET TO TWINS PER STREET, THAT'S COMMON FOR CARS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE TO REACH SPEEDS OF 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR.
UH, SOME PEOPLE ARE EVEN TREATING IT LIKE A RACE TRACK BECAUSE WE'RE SET BACK FROM THE ROAD WITH NO SIDEWALKS, SO THEY'RE VIEWING AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET UP TO TOP SPEED.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO CITY ENGINEERING, UH, WITH END CITY CODE
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DEPARTMENTS, WITH THE SITE PLAN, WITH PROPOSALS FOR LOCATIONS FOR STOP SIGNS, SPEED BUMPS, ET CETERA.WAS MET WITH VARIOUS BUREAUCRATIC REASONING ON WHY IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND WE CANNOT ADD ANY MORE ENFORCEMENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ASKED FOR ENFORCEMENT MORNING AND EVENING WHEN WE HAVE MAYBE A HUNDRED CARS EACH MORNING AND EVENING SPEEDING THROUGH.
AND WE'VE YET TO SEE AN INCREASE IN POLICE PATROLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BEST FOR SIGNAGE, ANYTHING LIKE ANY KIND OF ENFORCEMENT TO HAPPEN WORKING DOWN.
AND NOTHING'S BEEN DONE AS OF YET.
IT IS CONCERNING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT MY, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, I HAVE PETS MYSELF.
NOT EVERYBODY HAS FENCED YARDS.
SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUILT WHERE IT USED TO BE A THROUGH ROAD AND EVERYONE'S STILL GOING THE SAME SPEED AS IF IT'S A THROUGH ROAD.
SO I'D ASK FOR SANTOSHA PROPOSALS TO BE CONSIDERED SIDEWALKS, STREET LIGHTS, SPEED BUMPS, STOP SIGNS, AND AT BARE MINIMUM POLICE ENFORCEMENT OF THE SPEEDS AT HAND.
I MEAN, BONUS, IT'LL BE A LOT OF REVENUE FOR LEAN OR IF YOU PUT A POLICE OFFICER OUT THERE EVERY MORNING AND EVENING BECAUSE 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION.
AND I KNOW NONE OF US WANT THAT IN FRONT OF OUR HOME.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'M HERE JUST TO SUPPORT THE MEASURE.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HI, I'M CAPPEL GUNA AND I'M IN 1 91 TO EQUIN ROAD.
SAME PLACE BY SANTO AND DANIEL LEFT FROM, UM, I JUST WANT TO CORROBORATE MY, UH, FRIENDS HERE, THE EQUIN ROAD AND TRANSFERRED THERE THROUGH ROADS.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE NO HOUSES THERE.
NOW THERE ARE PLENTY OF HOUSES WITH FAMILIES AND KIDS AND PETS AND PEOPLE STILL SEEM TO THINK IT'S A RACE TRACK.
JUST THE OTHER DAY I SAW SOMEONE SPEEDING THROUGH AT OVER 60.
I, I, I'M NOT EXAGGERATING, AND THIS WAS PRETTY LATE IN THE NIGHT.
THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN SEE ANYTHING CLEARLY AND THEY'RE JUST FLYING THROUGH.
SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP, UH, DRIVE ATTENTION TOWARDS THIS.
AGAIN, AS SOTO POINTED OUT, THE VARIANCE THAT THE BUILDER SAW, IT WAS BACK IN 2021 OR 2020, NOW THERE'S A NEW H HEB NOW A LOT MORE TRAFFIC IS DIVERTED THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT JUST IS GOING AT A VERY HIGH SPEED.
UH, ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP REDUCE THE SPEED
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA?
[8. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. Breast Cancer Awareness Proclamation (October) Leander Middle School Volleyball Team Recognition]
ALL RIGHT, WHEN WE WERE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT, RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND VISITORS.UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE IN THE HOUSE RICH PARKER, AND IT IS HIS 75TH BIRTHDAY.
IF WE COULD GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR MR. PARKER HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
AND NEXT UP WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, CITY OF LEANDER PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS OCTOBER IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.
AND WHEREAS BREAST CANCER IS THE NUMBER ONE CANCER IN WOMEN AND THE MOST DIAGNOSED CANCER IN TEXAS, WOMEN AND THE C SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
AND WHEREAS PREVENTIVE SCREENING HELPS FIND BREAST CANCER EARLY WHEN IT IS MORE EASILY TREATED.
AND WHEREAS MAMMOGRAPHY, AN X-RAY OF THE BREAST IS RECOGNIZED AS A SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD OF DETECTING BREAST CHANGES LONG BEFORE PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS CAN BE SEEN OR FELT.
AND WHEREAS THE US PREVENTATIVE SERVICE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS A SCREENING MAMMOGRAM EVERY OTHER YEAR FOR WOMEN AGES 50 TO 74, WHO ARE AT AVERAGE RISK FOR BREAST CANCER AND ADVISES WOMEN IN THEIR FORTIES TO DISCUSS SCREENING WITH THEIR DOCTOR BASED ON PERSONAL RISK.
AND WHEREAS LONE STAR CIRCLE OF CARE WILL OFFER MAMMOGRAMS ON THE BIG PINK BUS THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 24TH THROUGH 28TH AT THEIR LAKE AIR LOCATION.
AND APPOINTMENTS ARE AVAILABLE BY CALLING 8 44 DASH PINK BUS NOW.
THEREFORE, I MAYOR CHRISTINE DELLY DUE HERE BY PROCLAIM OCTOBER AS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF LEANDER IN WITNESS THEREOF, I HAVE HERE ON TWO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE THE SEAL OF CITY OF LEANDER TO BE AIX ON OCTOBER 20TH, 2022.
DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM LONE STAR CIRCLE OF CARE HERE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
DID YOU WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS? SURE.
I'M THE PATIENT NAVIGATOR, UH, FOR LONE STAR CIRCLE OF CARE'S, BIG PINK BUS.
UM, WE OFFER FREE TO LOW COST BREAST, UM, SCREENINGS ALL ACROSS CENTRAL TEXAS.
UM, WE ARE SO THANKFUL, UM, TO HAVE THIS WITH THE CITY OF LEANDER.
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UM, AND WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO COME OUT AND, AND HELP YOUR COMMUNITY AND, AND JUST THE WOMEN OF CENTRAL TEXAS.AND NOW COUNCIL MEMBER MCDONALD WILL READ A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION.
SO CITY OF LANDER CERTIFICATE ACCOMMODATION, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT LANDER MIDDLE SCHOOL GIRLS ATHLETICS IS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF LEANDER, TEXAS FOR A STANDING COMMUNITY SERVICE.
DURING BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN OCTOBER, 2022, THE FIFTH, THE FIFTH ANNUAL IN IT TO END IT VOLLEYBALL TOURNAMENT RAISED A REMARKABLE $1,259 TO BENEFIT THE BREAST CANCER RESOURCE CENTER OF AUSTIN.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE A GREAT CARE AND COMPASSION FROM ALL THE INNER MIDDLE SCHOOL GIRLS, ATHLETIC PROGRAMS, STUDENTS, COACHES, TEACHERS AND BOOSTER CLUB MEMBERS AS PART OF AN OUTSTANDING COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORT.
THIS CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED IN RECOGNITION THERE OF ON THIS DAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2022.
LADIES, WHY DON'T Y'ALL COME ON UP HERE AND WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU AND YOU'LL RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE.
MAKE SURE WE CALL THE COACHES COACHES TOO.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO STAY UP HERE? LIKE THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA GET PICTURES.
DO YOU WANT UP HERE OR DO YOU WANT THEM DOWN? THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
THIS GUYS ARE WAY OFF THIS SIDE NOW.
I TOLD YOU TO STAND OVER THERE.
I'M JUST, THE PROBLEM IS THATT GET YEAH, THATS, I DID IT.
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OKAY.OH, IS THIS A NEW ONE? YEAH, IT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THERE.
YEAH, I'M TRYING TO PLACE IT IN.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE.
THE BEGINNING NIGHT AND NOW THE AVERAGE AGE IN THE ROOM HAS RISEN CONSIDERABLY.
[9. Staff Reports Public Works Update]
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE.UPDATE WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ALLISON.
A VERY EXCITING REPORT TONIGHT CUZ IT'S JUST A NORMAL REPORT.
SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, UH, LAKE STORAGE, UH, IN LAKES, MCKEN AND TRAVIS.
UM, OUR DAILY USAGE FOR SEPTEMBER, CONNECTION GROWTH.
AND THEN I HAVE AN EVENT THAT, UM, BILL'S PUTTING ON, UM, FOR OUR WATER CONSERVATION.
AND THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT ON OUR CLEANUP EVENT THAT WE HAD THIS LAST WEEK.
UM, THE, UH, LAKES KIND OF BEEN HELD HOLDING STEADY, ABOUT 55% FULL.
IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS LAST MONTH.
UM, BUT THEY ARE DOWN ABOUT 24% FROM LAST YEAR.
UM, AND OVERALL THEY'RE ABOUT 22 FEET BELOW AVERAGE.
SO STILL DEFINITELY SEEING THAT.
UM, OUR WATER USE IN SEPTEMBER, AS YOU EXPECTED, WAS CONSIDERABLY LESS.
A HUNDRED MILLION GALLONS LESS THAN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, UM, DUE TO THE REPAIR ON THE B C R U A LINE.
UM, SO THIS, THIS DASH LINE IS AUGUST, SO THERE WAS OUR PEAK FOR THE YEAR AND WE KIND OF PRETTY HIGH UP THERE AND THEN RAINS CAME AND WE KIND OF TRENDED DOWN.
AND THEN THIS DARK BLUE LINE HERE IS, UH, HOW WE STARTED SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
SO, UH, THE REPAIR STARTED RIGHT AROUND, I'M SORRY, THE, UH, PHASE FOUR, UM, STARTED HERE.
SO WE TRENDED PRETTY WELL DOWN, UM, UNTIL WE HIT THAT REPAIR DATE AND STAYED PRETTY STEADY, UM, THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
SO THE, UH, PRODUCTION BETWEEN OUR TWO PLANTS, UM, THE RED LINE IS THE TEMPERATURE, AGAIN, STAYED STEADY AT ABOUT 93 DEGREES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE MONTH.
UM, I SHOW THE BLACK DOWN HERE IS RAIN.
WE HAD ABOUT HALF AN INCH OF RAIN, SO NOT MUCH AT ALL.
UM, AND THEN THIS BLUE DOWN HERE IS OUR SANDY CREEK PLANT.
SO WE WERE UP UNTIL THE REPAIR AVERAGING ABOUT 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, UM, BY THE SANDY CREEK PLANT.
AND THEN ABOUT 5.8 SHOWN IN GREEN HERE WAS THE B C R O A.
AND THEN THEY BEGAN THE REPAIR HERE AND WE AVERAGED ABOUT 6.8.
UM, SO WE CAN'T SAY ENOUGH HOW AMAZING THE CITIZENS DID TO, UH, RESPOND TO THAT.
UM, THE LAST THING I HAVE ON WATER IS OUR CONNECTION GROWTH.
SO SEPTEMBER OF 21 TO SEPTEMBER OF 22, WE SAW A GROWTH OF 10.8%.
THIS IS DOWN, UM, A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT WE WERE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.
WE WERE KIND OF IN THAT 16, 13, 15 RANGE FOR A WHILE.
SO, UM, AS YOU EXPECT TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, THINGS KIND OF SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
WE GREW BY ABOUT 2,700, ALMOST 2,800 CONNECTIONS.
AND THEN, UH, BILL HAS TEAMED UP, UH, FOR WATER CONSERVATION WITH OUR, WITH THE, UH, TEXAS A AND M AGRILIFE EXTENSION.
AND THEY HAVE AN EVENT THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT ON NEXT THURSDAY AT THE LEANDER ACTIVITY CENTER.
SO ONE HOUR SESSION ON LANDSCAPING AND GARDENING.
THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT MULCHING, LOW VOLUME IRRIGATION, COMPOSTING TURF MAINTENANCE, AND HOW TO BUILD KIND OF THAT MORE DROUGHT, RESILIENT GARDENS AND TURF.
AND IT'S A FREE EVENT, SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE, WELL, I KNOW THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF MANY THAT HE'S GONNA DO.
AND THE LAST THING I HAVE IS, UH, LAST SATURDAY WE HELD OUR RESIDENTIAL FALL CLEANUP.
WE DO THIS TWICE A YEAR, GENERALLY IN OCTOBER AND APRIL.
UM, SO WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT.
WE HAD SEVEN, TEN, SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTEEN VEHICLES.
UM, I'LL BRING BACK KIND OF THE NUMBERS OF METAL AND SHREDDING AND TRASH AND STUFF THAT WE DO, BUT WE DON'T, WE'RE STILL LOADING IT UP AND CLEANING IT UP.
SO, UM, SEVERAL PEOPLE CAME BACK MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO YOU SEE THE LINE THERE, BUT THAT THEY, THEY LIKE TO LINE UP, UH, PRETTY EARLY.
WHEN I GET THERE AT SEVEN, THERE'S USUALLY AT LEAST LIKE 10 TO 15 CARS ALREADY
SO THEY, THEY LIKE TO GET THERE EARLY, BUT PEOPLE MAKE MULTIPLE TRIPS.
SO THAT LINE WASN'T THERE FOR VERY LONG AND, AND WE HAD A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN DAN HAS A COUPLE ITEMS, THUS WELL.
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ANYTHING.DO YOU WANT IT? YOU'RE PROBABLY, THAT'S ALRIGHT.
DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, UM, JEAN AND I HAVE BEEN ATTENDING MULTIPLE, UM, WATER MEETINGS WITH THE CITIES AND LCR AND, UM, WHICH LOWER COLORADO RIVER AUTHORITY AND B B A, THE BRAZEL RIVER AUTHORITY.
AND, AND SO, UM, UH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT.
UM, AND WE ALSO WENT TO THE LCR BOARD AND UM, THEY APPROVED OUR, UM, FIRM WATER CONTRACT RENEWAL.
SO ON THE 19TH, UM, THE BOARD APPROVED OUR FIRM CONTRACT TO GO FROM 24,000 ACRE FEET TO 31,000 ACRE FEET.
AND SO OUR CONTRACT IS NOW INCREASED TO KIND OF MOVED US INTO THE NEXT PROBABLY 10 OR 12 YEARS, UM, IF WE CONTINUE TO KIND OF GROW THE WAY WE ARE.
UM, REAL QUICK ON THE SECOND PART IS THAT, UM, EVERY, EVERY WATER MEETING THAT WE WENT TO, UM, HAD A KIND OF A COMMON THREAD OF CONCERN, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH WATER AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AS A REGION, UM, AS FAR AS, UM, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF WATER BEING USED.
UM, AND, AND IT WAS AMAZING HOW THE CITIES ARE STARTING TO NOW REALLY TALK WITH EACH OTHER AND THE RIVER AUTHORITIES.
SO, SO CURRENTLY, UM, WE ARE ONCE A WEEK LIBERTY HILLS ONCE A WEEK, GEORGETOWN'S ONCE A WEEK.
AUSTIN IS ACTUALLY ONCE A WEEK AND BOTH THE LCRA AND THE B RRA ARE IN STAGE ONE WATER RESTRICTIONS, WHICH IS TO REDUCE WATER USES BY 5%.
NOW THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA THAT ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES AND, AND SOME OF THE TALK IS TO THE CITIES TO START GOING TO THAT ONCE A DAY, UH, OR ONCE A WEEK WATERING ON A MORE KIND OF A PERMANENT BASIS OR, UM, TO FACILITATE THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S THIS INDICATIONS THAT THE BACK IN THE DAY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DROUGHT, RAIN AND THEN THE RAIN COVERED US THROUGH THE NEXT DROUGHT AND, AND NOW THE DROUGHTS SEEM TO BE CLOSER AND LONGER LASTING AND THE RAIN'S A LITTLE BIT LESS.
AND SO ANYWAY, JUST KIND OF A HEADS UP ON THAT'S KIND OF A, BEEN A COMMON THREAT TO EVERY MEETING WE HAVE ATTENDED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MR. GRNS BOW AND FANTASTIC JOB GETTING US MORE WATER, MORE WATER, MORE WATER RIGHTS IF IT'S ACTUALLY THERE TO TAKE.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ALL RIGHT.MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA COUNSEL, YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT.
THIS IS A COUNCIL ACTION ITEM MOTION GO FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[24. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Special Use Case 22-SU-002 to allow for the temporary residential use of a travel trailer or recreational vehicle for use by owners while building permanent home on site; on one (1) parcel of land approximately 4.72 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Travis Central Appraisal District Parcel 513800; and more commonly known as 13201 Vista Rock Drive, Leander, Travis County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Special Use Permit Case 22-SU-002 as described above.]
MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.ITEM 24, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SPECIAL USE CASE 22 SU 0 0 2 TO ALLOW FOR THE TEMPORARY RESIDENTIAL USE OF A TRAVEL TRAILER OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE FOR USE BY OWNERS WHILE BUILDING PERMANENT HOME ON SITE ON ONE PARCEL LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.72 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
SO THIS IS A, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO OCCUPY AN RV WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING A PERMANENT HOME ON THE SITE.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THEIR SEPTEMBER 22ND MEETING.
AND AT THAT MEETING THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
UM, STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CUZ IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE TERM OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE ONE YEAR.
UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SPECIAL USE PERMIT CASE 22 SU 0 0 2 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[25. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-027 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to adopt the 50 High Gabriel East Addition Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 1.59 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R474021; and more commonly known as 50 High Gabriel East, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-027 as described above.]
25, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 2 7 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR ONE B SINGLE FAMILY RULE TO ADOPT THE 50 HIGH GABRIEL EAST EDITION MINOR PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING OF LC TWO.[00:55:01]
ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 1.59 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 50 HIGH GABRIEL EAST.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS TO THE EAST OF A ZONING CASE THAT YOU GUYS REVIEWED.
UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHERE WE APPROVED THE PUD.
UM, THEY HAVE PROPOSED AN ANNEXATION AND A ZONING REQUEST FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TRACT.
IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS WITH ALLOWING THE GC CUZ IT UM, ALLOWS MORE USES NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE APPLICANT AGREED TO AMEND THE REQUEST TO THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE BY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AFTER THE HEARING WE SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, THEY ASKED ABOUT CHANGING THE ZONING JUST TO LC TWO A WITHOUT THE PUD AND, UM, STAFF'S AGREEABLE TO THAT AND IT DOES, UH, WORK AND IT'S ALSO EASIER FOR US WHEN YOU LOOK AT A MAP TO KNOW WHAT GOES THERE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PULL AN EXTRA DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, IF THE COUNCIL IS WILLING TO CONSIDER IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PROPERTY ZONE TO LC TWO A INSTEAD OF THE PUD.
UM, I'M AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED A CARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL NOW, NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 27 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
MOTION TO APPROVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
YEAH, YOU NEED TO APPROVE THE, UM, WITH THE LC TWO A ZONING.
YES, THE, THE NEW ZONING LC TWO.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[26. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-028 to amend the current zoning of T6 (Urban Core Zone) to adopt the Metro Way Medical Center PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 4.37 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R573740; and generally located to the northeast S. US 183 and Metro Drive, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-028 as described above.]
ITEM 26, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 2 8 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF T SIX URBAN CORE ZONE TO ADOPT THE METRO WAY MEDICAL CENTER PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE LC.TWO, A LOCAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.37 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
SO THIS IS, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF US 180 3 A METRO DRIVE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REMOVE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE TO D AND, UM, ESTABLISH THE LC TWO, A LOCAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR A MEDICAL USE.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THEIR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.
UM, THEY DID MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH A FIVE TO TWO VOTE.
UM, A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS WERE CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT IMPACTS TO NORTHLINE.
UM, THERE IS A NATURAL CREEK AREA LOCATED RIGHT HERE THAT KIND OF DIVIDES THE, THE TWO PROPERTIES.
THAT CREEK ALSO CAUSES CHALLENGES WITH THE SETBACKS FOR THE DEVELOPER, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THEY ASK TO BE REMOVED FROM THE, UM, THE T O D, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS WHERE WE HAVE CONTINUOUS BUILDING FRONTAGE AND PLACEMENT OF YOUR BUILDINGS.
UM, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST.
WE ALSO HAD A TYPO IN THE PUD NOTES WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION THAT HAD A 15 FOOT SETBACK.
AND THIS SUBMITTAL, UM, DOES SHOW THE AMENDED 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM METRO AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
WE'LL SAY, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT THAT LESS IS MORE, AND SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO VISUALS, I DO HAVE A FEW VISUALS HERE.
I THINK ROBIN ALREADY COVERED THOSE.
UH, BUT ONE SPECIFIC ONE, THIS IS UNDER T SIX ZONINGS.
JUST TO OUTLINE SPECIFICALLY THE CHALLENGES WITH REGARD TO THIS SITE.
80% OF THE FRONTAGE HAS TO BE BUILDING STRUCTURES, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT REALLY LEAVES NO ROOM FOR CIRCULATION AND OR PARKING.
SO THE REQUEST REALLY IS FOR A SHIFT TO ALLOW PARKING ALONG THAT FRONTAGE AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THIS.
SO THAT'S THE SITE PLAN UNDER LOCAL COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT WE CAN NOW APPLY FOR.
SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ADDITIONAL.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE INFORMATION HERE ALREADY, SO I'LL STOP THERE.
WE CAN'T DO QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO SIGNED A CARD TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 28 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
COUNSEL, MOTION TO APPROVE? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SECOND, BUT JUST, JUST FOR FORMALITY, COULDN'T YOU ACTUALLY GET MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU DID THE, THE, UH, IF YOU STAY WITH T SIX, I'M DOING THIS FOR A POINT.
I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST SURE.
FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT, SO THE, THE ISSUE WITH T SIX IS THESE ARE, THESE ARE 80 FOOT DEPTH BUILDINGS, RIGHT.
WHICH ARE TYPICAL FOR MEDICAL OFFICE PROBABLY IN THE LOWER END.
OFTENTIMES WE GO BEYOND THAT DEPTH.
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ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING AT FIVE PER THOUSAND.RIGHT? SO THIS SITE MAXES OUT AT 25 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA IMPACT NORTHLINE.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[27. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-029 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to HC-4-D (Heavy Commercial) on two (2) parcels of land approximately 9.111 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031284 and R324449; and more commonly known as 2967 and 3005 Hero Way, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case 22-Z-029 as described above.]
I ITEM 27, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 29 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR ONE B, SINGLE FAMILY RULE TO HC FOUR D HEAVY COMMERCIAL ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 9.111 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
UM, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 29 67 AND 3 0 5 HERE AWAY.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM THE INTERIM SINGLE FAMILY RURAL DISTRICT TO HC FOUR D HEAVY COMMERCIAL.
UM, THIS DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SURROUNDING ZONING, UM, IN THE AREA.
THE REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THEIR SEPTEMBER 22ND MEETING, AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
UM, THE APPLICANTS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND SO AM I.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME ON UP.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND THEN FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
I TRAVEL ON HERO WAY, AND I JUST WANNA VOICE MY CONCERNS AROUND THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT.
UM, THE ROAD ITSELF JUST CAN'T HANDLE HEAVY COMMERCIAL, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK SOME CONSIDERATION FROM THE DEVELOPER TO, UM, TO MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION AS THEY MOVE IT OVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN BE DONE, BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN.
PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY'S SECRETARY.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE 22 Z 0 29 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND, SECOND MOTION IN THE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PASSE UNANIMOUSLY.
[28. Receive a presentation regarding the evaluation and proposed recommendations for development process improvements by BerryDunn.]
MOVING INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM 28, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE EVALUATION AND PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS BY BARRY DUNN.SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, BARRY DUNN FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS ON THE REVIEW OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AND I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO MORE OF WHAT THEY DID, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PLAN AND MOVING FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UH, MY NAME'S KEVIN PRICE WITH BARRY DUNN.
UM, WE HAVE PREPARED SOME BRIEF SLIDES WE'LL GO THROUGH HERE.
SO JUST, UM, WE'LL BRIEFLY INTRODUCE, UM, OUR PROJECT TEAM, JUST SO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHO WORKED ON THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY.
UM, VERY HIGH LEVEL, JUST BACKGROUND ABOUT BARRY DUNN.
I KNOW MANY OF YOU MAYBE MET WITH SOME OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS AS PART OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, THEN WE'LL GO OVER THE, UM, LITTLE BIT OF THE PROJECT OVERVIEW AND THEN THE WORK COMPLETED, AND THEY'LL HAND IT OVER TO FRED WHO WILL SHARE SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
SO I AM KEVIN PRICE, AS MENTIONED, I AM A PRINCIPAL WITH BARRY DUNN.
UM, SO I SERVED AS THE PROJECT PRINCIPAL, OVERSEEING THE TEAM, UM, THAT WORKED WITH THE CITY ON THIS ENGAGEMENT.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MARION COUNCIL.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH, UH, BARRY DUNN.
AND, UH, JUST WORKING CLOSELY WITH ROBIN AND RICK AND THEN THE WHOLE CITY TEAM ON ON THIS ANALYSIS.
UH, JUST QUICKLY, MY BACKGROUND, A FORMER CITY MANAGER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, DOING A LOT OF WORK AROUND THE COUNTRY, SIMILAR STUDIES.
AND, UH, SOMETHING YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY OFTEN IS, IT'S NOT THAT WE FIND THINGS, IT'S WHAT WE DO WITH THEM AFTERWARDS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE STEPS MOVING FORWARD.
SO THE, THE THREE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS, UM, THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS EFFORT INCLUDE KARA DODDS, CARRIE WILLETTE, AND ALLISON TOBY.
UM, THE FIVE OF US, UM, WERE HERE IN JULY FOR A SERIES OF MEETINGS, UM, WITH, WITH CITY STAFF AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, BARRY DUNN, FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, UM, BARRY DUNN IS A MANAGEMENT CONSULTING, TAX AND AUDIT FIRM, UM, HEADQUARTERED IN PORTLAND, MAINE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE 700 STAFF ACROSS EIGHT OFFICES AND REMOTE EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, I WORK AT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PRACTICE GROUP, AND I LEAD OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND UTILITY OPERATIONS PROJECT.
SO THE TEAM THAT WORKED ON THIS ENGAGEMENT, UM, FOCUSES ON VERY SIMILAR TYPES OF PROJECTS WITH CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH OVER 300 STATE, LOCAL AND QUASI-GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UM, ARE INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THE SAME ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, YOU MAY SEE US AT, YOU KNOW, THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION OR NATIONAL CODE COUNCIL.
SO, UM, WE TRY TO STAY ABREAST OF NATIONAL TRENDS, REGIONAL TRENDS, AND WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, TAKING
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WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT MAY BE WORKING WELL AND SEEING IF THERE'S ANY APPLICABILITY, UM, AS WE RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENTS.SO BARRY DUNN WAS RETAINED BY THE CITY TO DO A REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PROCESSES.
SO THAT INVOLVED LOOKING AT REVIEWING, DOCUMENTING, AND EVALUATING CURRENT BUSINESS PROCESSES, AS WELL AS GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, AND THEN DEVELOPING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVING SERVICE THE CITY.
UM, SOME OF THE KEY ITEMS THAT WERE COMPLETED, THIS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS, AS ROBIN MENTIONED, WE GOT STARTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO WITH SOME INITIAL PROJECT PLANNING.
THAT'S WHEN WE DEVELOPED OUR, UM, PROJECT WORK PLAN AND PROJECT SCHEDULE.
UM, WE THEN CONDUCTED A SERIES OF FACT FINDING MEETINGS, UM, WHICH WERE ONSITE OBSERVATIONS, WHICH INCLUDED SOME RIDE ALONGS WITH CITY STAFF, UM, AND MEETINGS TO UNDERSTAND CURRENT PROCESSES, CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.
WE ALSO INCLUDED SOME MEETINGS, UM, WITH CITY STAFF LEADERSHIP.
I THINK WE ALSO MET WITH, WITH YOU ALL DURING, DURING THAT WEEK.
UM, WE ALSO THEN DID SOME EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH.
SO WE CONDUCTED A SERIES OF, UM, FOCUS GROUPS AS WELL AS INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, UM, WITH EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, APPLICANTS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, IMPROVEMENT, IMPROVING DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN WE ALSO PROVI, UM, CREATED A SOCIAL PINPOINT WEBSITE AS A FORUM TO COLLECT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM THOSE THAT WE DIDN'T MEET DIRECTLY WITH.
SO THAT INCLUDED A SURVEY AS WELL AS SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE GENERAL COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AFTER THAT, WE SUMMARIZED, UM, THE, OUR, WHAT WE GATHERED FROM THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT AND A CURRENT ENVIRONMENT ASSESSMENT REPORT.
UM, WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE KEY CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES FROM THAT IN, IN JUST A MOMENT.
AND THEN OUR, UM, BUILDING UPON THAT, WE DEVELOPED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT REPORT.
SO THOSE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, THE CITY FOCUS ON TO, TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO WE'VE PRESENTED THOSE IN THAT REPORT, UM, AS INITIATIVES.
UM, AND SO WITH SOME ACTION STEPS ON HOW TO GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THOSE ITEMS. SO WITH, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO FRED TO GO OVER A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THOSE TWO REPORTS.
UM, SO WE, UH, IDENTIFIED 15 CHALLENGES, UH, AS WE, UH, WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND, AND AGAIN, UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S NOT THAT WE FIND THINGS WITH JURISDICTIONS, IT'S IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THEM.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE DID FIND SOME HIGH LEVEL 15 CHALLENGES BASED ON OUR INTERNAL EXTERNAL, UH, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
AND I'M JUST GONNA, UH, JUST TOUCH BASE ON A COUPLE OF 'EM.
AND, UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS JUST, UH, THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL PROCESS INVOLVES SEVERAL STEPS AND IS TIME CONSUMING FOR APPLICANTS AND STAFF.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, UM, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, UH, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO FROM THE EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS OR THE, THE BUSINESS PARTNERS.
UH, ANOTHER ONE IS, UH, THERE ARE NON ADEQUATE COORDINATION MEETINGS FOR DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED IN A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
IN THE PAST, WE HEARD THAT THE DIFFERENT, UH, DEPARTMENTS OR FUNCTIONAL AREAS USED TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WORKING IN THE PROCESS, WHAT ISN'T WORKING IN THE PROCESS, WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO FIX THAT.
SO, UH, THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, BUSINESS PARTNERS DO NOT FEEL THEY ARE PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES OR OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE INPUT ON POLICY AND REGULATORY CHANGES.
UM, THIS ONE, UH, WAS, WAS A BIG ONE, JUST THAT SOMETIMES THEY KIND OF FELT LIKE SOME THINGS WERE CHANGING IN THE CITY AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO, TO REALLY VET IT WITH THEIR MEMBERS OR JUST, UH, TALK THROUGH THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES HERE IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS PARTNERS EXPRESS A CHALLENGE IN RECEIVING TIMELY RESPONSES TO EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS.
UM, AND, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS BEHIND THAT WITH, UH, SOME STAFF SHORTAGES WITH SOME CHANGES AND PROCESSES.
BUT THAT WAS, UH, KINDA A STICKING POINT THAT WE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE.
AND, AND INTERESTING ENOUGH, WE ACTUALLY DID HEAR THAT FROM SOME INTERNAL FOLKS.
UH, ALSO, UM, ANOTHER ONE, THE CITY IS OFTEN CHALLENGED TO MANAGE, UH, STAFF WORKLOADS.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, THERE WERE SOME, UH, UH, AREAS THAT I HEARD RECENTLY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
UH, UH, ONE WAS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ABOUT SOME, UH, STAFF SHORTAGES OR, UH, JUST BEING ABLE TO, TO GET SOME MORE, UH, PEOPLE IN IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO GO TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT JUST BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S, UH, THE WAY WE SET THIS UP IS A PRIORITY RANK RELATIVE BENEFITS, ALSO EASE IMPLEMENTATION.
THAT'S A BIG ONE HERE BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF TIMES, UH, IF YOU SEE 15 RECOMMENDATIONS, SOMEONE MAY SAY, LET'S IMPLEMENT ALL 15.
AND THAT'S JUST A TRAFFIC JAM.
SO, UH, WE DO PUT, UH, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON RELATIVE BENEFIT.
THE EASE OF IMPLEMENTATION AND BEST PRACTICES.
BEST PRACTICES IS, IT'S ESTABLISHED, IT'S, IT'S COMMON OUT THERE AROUND THE COUNTRY
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LEADING EDGE.HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIKE THERE, UH, IN THE FOREFRONT WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
WE HAVE BLEEDING EDGE, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE.
A LOT OF IT'S TECHNOLOGY, BUT LET'S JUST SEE HOW IT VETS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AN EXAMPLE THAT IS AI, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND, AND BEING ABLE TO HELP IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND THE LIST HERE IS, UH, IN PRIORITY RANK.
AGAIN, UH, THIS IS PRIORITY RANKED, WHICH BARRY DUN BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND, AND ALSO TALKING WITH CITY STAFF ON, UH, A PRIORITY RANK.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO, TO MENTION IS THAT FROM AN IMPLEMENTATION STANDPOINT, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY OF THESE 15 AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM FIRST.
BUT BASED ON WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, UM, IMPLEMENT A, A STANDARD RESPONSE TIME, UH, POLICY.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE HEARD, UH, ON EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND EVEN, UH, SOME RESPONSE TIMES INTERNALLY FOR REVIEWS.
AND I SAY THAT CONSISTENCY IS BECAUSE IF THE RESPONSE TIME IS THREE DAYS TO GET BACK ON A PHONE CALL, JUST AN EXAMPLE, THREE DAYS TO GET BACK ON A PHONE CALL, AND IF IT'S DONE THREE DAYS, THAT'S CONSISTENT.
I CAN SAY, HEY, IT'S THREE BUSINESS DAYS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THAT CREATING THAT STANDARD RESPONSE TIME POLICY, AND THEN SEEING THAT IMPLEMENT THROUGHOUT.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS INITIATED DEVELOPER'S FORUM.
AND THAT ONE IS JUST HAVING, UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALREADY BEING IMPLEMENTED.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS MAY WANNA, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT INITIATED DEVELOPER'S FORUM SO THAT WHEN POLICY CHANGES OR REGULATORY CHANGES ARE COMING DOWN, THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET THAT WITH THE DEVELOPERS OR JUST HEAR WHAT COMMON, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ARE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A WELL ESTABLISHED, UH, ITEM THAT'S OUT THERE FOR HAVING DEVELOPER FORUMS, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE MAIN CLIENTS AND YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING HEARD AND YOU'RE SHARING INFORMATION AND, AND ULTIMATELY PART OF THE SOLUTION.
UH, THE THIRD ONE THERE IS, UH, REESTABLISH INTERNAL COORDINATION MEETINGS.
AGAIN, THAT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE PEOPLE PROCESSING HERE KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE PROCESSING OVER HERE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE, ARE BEING CONSISTENT, OR IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT IT'S BEING ADDRESSED, UH, INTERNALLY.
THE STREAMLINING THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL PROCESS, UH, THAT ONE AGAIN, IS A, A PROVEN ITEM OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE CLEAR, UH, SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UM, ESTABLISHED FLEXIBLE TIMELINE FOR APPLICATION SUBMITTALS.
UH, THIS ONE, YOU, YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME, SOME APPLICATIONS, SUBMITTAL TIMELINES, UM, AS YOU MOVE INTO ELECTRONIC, UH, SUBMITTALS, UH, THAT YOU ARE IMPLEMENTING A REALLY GREAT TOOL HERE WITH, UH, WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES AND GOV, THAT THAT WILL REALLY HELP WITH ESTABLISHING, UH, FLEXIBLE TIMELINES.
AND THE EXAMPLE IS, IS THAT, SAY THERE'S A SUBMITTAL AT, UH, NOON ON A WEDNESDAY.
I MAY BE ON SUNDAY, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT JUST ON MY COMPUTER, AND NOW I'M GONNA SUBMIT AT THAT.
I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL THAT NOON TIME ON THAT WEDNESDAY.
I CAN SUBMIT EARLY, BUT THAT NO TIME, NOON TIME ON WEDNESDAY MAY, UM, DETERMINE WHEN I GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR I MAY DETERMINE THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, CONSIDERING EXPANSION THIRD PARTY FIRMS, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY, THERE IS A SHORTAGE IN, UH, IN STAFF IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S JUST NOT IN, IN THIS AREA.
EVERYWHERE WE GO, THERE IS A SHORTAGE.
AND SO ONE OF THE, THE TOOLS THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE USING OUR THIRD PARTY REVIEWS AND JUST DETERMINING WHAT TYPE OF THIRD PARTY REVIEWS.
IS THAT FOR COMPLEX REVIEWS OR ARE THOSE FOR SIMPLE REVIEWS? AND JUST HAVING A, YOU KNOW, A, A GROUP OF FOLKS OUT THERE, COMPANIES, OR THEY COULD BE SINGLE SHINGLES ALSO THAT CAN HELP OUT WITH, WITH THE REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, THE OTHER ITEMS INCORPORATE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND FUNCTIONS IN ENERGOV.
UH, AGAIN, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A GREAT TOOL OUT THERE, AND I KNOW WE WE'RE JUST STARTING WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT.
AND, UM, UH, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS CAN BE PART OF THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ONE DEPARTMENT OR ONE FUNCTIONAL AREA THAT IS OUTSIDE OF INTER GOV, THEN THAT IS, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF INTER GOV.
SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEM IN SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO MEASURE PERFORMANCE ALSO, UH, MAKE THE WEBSITE MORE USER FRIENDLY.
AND, UH, THAT IS JUST, UM, THAT'S AN ITEM WE SEE WITH A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS IS JUST HAVING IT MORE ROBUST SINCE THE PANDEMIC PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING ONLINE RESOURCES A LOT MORE.
AND PART OF THOSE ONLINE RESOURCES IS BEING ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT, SAY, ONLINE MAPS
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THAT ARE LINKED TO, UH, GIS AND HAVING A MORE OF A ROBUST GIS PROGRAM SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING TO BUY THIS PROPERTY.WHAT'S IT ZONED? OKAY, I GOT A LINK TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, ET CETERA.
UH, RESOLVING STAFFING ISSUES IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UH, I HEARD RECENTLY THAT, UH, THAT MAY BE A, A MOOT POINT, BUT, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, UH, PINCH POINTS THAT WE DID HERE, UH, IN THE PROCESS.
UM, ENSURE UNIFORMITY AND STAFF REVIEW TIMEFRAMES WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION AT ENERGOV.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT EVERYTHING ON ENERGOV, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, TO DO BETTER MEASUREMENTS ON THAT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF, IF KEVIN IS REVIEWING A, A TRAFFIC IMPACT, UH, REPORT AND HE HAS 10 WORKING DAYS TO DO IT, AND IT'S DAY 12, I'LL, YOU KNOW, IF I'LL, KEVIN, COME ON IN.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE ISSUE? IT'S 10 DAYS.
IS IT SOMETHING COMPLICATED? IS IT A WORKLOAD ISSUE? SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD MANAGEMENT TOOL TO, TO HAVE THOSE TIMEFRAMES AND IN ENTER GOV.
IT, THE PROCESS IS ALREADY STARTED, UH, WITH THAT.
UM, NEXT ONE IS PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMERCIAL TENANT APPLICANTS.
AND, UH, THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE INTERESTING WHEN, WHEN WE HEARD IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD THIS, UH, FROM MAYBE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY.
BUT, UM, FOR THAT ONE IT'S JUST, UH, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S A TWO-PRONG.
IT'S, IT'S INTERNAL, BUT, UH, A LOT OF IT'S EXTERNAL EXPECTATIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CHANGING THE USE OF SAY, UH, A VANILLA SHELL THAT'S OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, I BUILD 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
I I HAVE COMMERCIAL COMING IN NOW MY REALTOR'S GONNA FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL THAT IS.
AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT EXPECTATIONS AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE CLEARLY DEFINED, UH, FROM THE PROFESSIONALS AND ALSO THE REALTORS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UH, THE NEXT ITEMS IMPLEMENT A MORE EFFECTIVE, UH, COMMUNICATION TOOL.
SO, SO THOSE ITEMS ARE, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, COMMUNICATION IS SOMETHING THAT IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, IN-PERSON MEETINGS PEOPLE SAY, CAN YOU USE EMAIL MORE? YOU USE EMAIL MORE.
THEY SAID, WELL, CAN YOU HAVE A FORUM? YOU USE A FORUM.
THEY SAID, CAN YOU USE EMAIL? SO IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A MOVING TARGET.
SO, UM, WE COULD ALWAYS BE BETTER IN COMMUNICATION.
AND A LOT OF IT IS JUST UNDERSTANDING YOUR, YOUR END USER, UH, UPDATING THE CITY ENGINEERING STANDARDS.
UH, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT UH, THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS ARE BASED ON WHAT THE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS DOING.
AND, AND AUSTIN, UH, DYNAMIC AREA CHANGING THEIR, THEIR ROLES AND REGULATIONS A LOT.
SO, UM, THIS WAS, UH, ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP INTERNALLY BUT ALSO EXTERNALLY THAT THERE EITHER NEEDS TO BE A BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS DOING OR THE CITY OF LEANDER.
IT'S TIME TO COME UP WITH YOUR OWN STANDARDS.
IT COULD LOOK LIKE AUSTIN'S, BUT IT'S YOUR OWN, UH, CITY ENGINEERING STANDARDS.
AND, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS CREATE A MASTER LIST OF, UH, INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THAT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU START INSPECTIONS, YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS LESS, UH, PUNCH LIST ITEMS AND UM, NOT GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU START OUT WITH 10, YOU SHOULD COME BACK MAYBE WITH EIGHT OR MAYBE WITH FIVE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
SO, UH, WITH THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW WE GO ABOUT IMPLEMENTING ALL THIS? WE DO IN OUR REPORT, UH, A RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT REPORT AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA ITEM.
THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT NOT THE HOW, LIKE A TIMELINE.
UH, WELL ACTUALLY THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING KEVIN AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
THAT WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIMELINES IN THERE, BUT WE WERE GONNA ACTUALLY BRING THAT UP, UH, AT THIS MEETING THAT WE COULD GO BACK AND PUT SOME TIMELINES UH, IN THERE.
CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE REGULAR CHECK-INS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS REALISTIC, UM, FOR OUR STAFF.
COUNSEL, WHAT DO Y'ALL HAVE, MR. BEVERLY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FRED, PROBABLY BOTH Y'ALL IN AND ROBIN TOO IS OUT OF THE 15.
HOW MANY WITH, SINCE I'M NO TECH AS YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, UM, OF THE ITEMS WITH, UH, INTER GOV WOULD PROBABLY, I MEAN, I REALIZE DEVELOPER FORM THOSE KNOW, BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE ITEMS COULD WE POSSIBLY KIND OF CHECK OFF THAT, OFF THAT LIST MORE, MORE EASILY? CUZ I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S REVIEWING WHAT THAT PART IS, IS MUCH MORE TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IMPROVES THE INTERNAL COMMUNICATION AND ALSO THEN IMPROVES THE EXTERNAL COMMUNICATION.
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BUT I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS IS KIND OF THE THINGS WE COULD, WE SHOULD EXPECT WITH INTER GOV AND THEN THE THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE THROUGH ANOTHER TRACT THAT WOULD HELP US AS A STAFF AND IF OTHER RESOURCES WE WOULD THEN NEED, IF WE NEED ANY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.SO I JUST THINK THAT WAY WE, WE WANNA BE CAUTIOUS ON SAYING ENERGOV IS THE FIXES EVERYTHING.
CUZ IT, IT, IT WON'T BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKE HAVING A BRAND NEW CAR THAT'S A MANUAL IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IT, IT'S A GREAT LOOKING CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, UM, WITH ENERGOV THERE IS A, A LOT OF CONFIGURATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND ALSO, UM, JUST TRAINING OF OF STAFF ON THAT.
BUT, UM, ENERGOV IS SET UP TO, TO BE ABLE TO MEASURE REVIEW TIMEFRAMES BASED ON INDIVIDUALS OR FUNCTIONAL AREAS.
IT'S ALSO, UH, A GREAT TO MANAGEMENT TOOL FOR JUST MEASURING PERFORMANCE, UH, ON THOSE.
SO A LOT OF THOSE CAN BE SET UP ON THAT.
BUT I'M ALWAYS CAUTIOUS ON ON SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, RELY ON YOUR PERMITTING SYSTEM BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TRAINING, THERE'S, THERE'S TRAINING ASSOCIA WITH IT AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRAINED ENOUGH TO, TO USE IT IN A WAY THAT'S EFFECTIVE FOR THEM AND THEIR CUSTOMERS.
DO Y'ALL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON FOLLOW UP? LIKE, COULD WE ENGAGE YOU IN SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS TO CHECK BACK IN WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT YOU MET WITH AND SAY LIKE, OKAY, HAVE THESE 15 THINGS BEEN CHECKED OFF THE LIST? WHERE IS THERE STILL IMPROVEMENT? DO Y'ALL TYPICALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE, WE HAVE DONE, UH, JUST KIND OF CHECK IN KIND OF SCORECARDS SO OF WHERE, WHERE YOU ARE.
BUT, UH, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT.
I THINK, UH, PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LOOK AT OUR TRAINING TIMELINES ON SOME OF THAT.
LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO, UH, KIND OF RELEARNING OR LEARNING SOME OTHER THINGS.
AND THEN, UH, LOOK AT WHAT A TIMELINE AND BUDGET MIGHT BE TO COME BACK AND THEN, AND DO THAT KIND OF, WE COULD EVEN HAVE OUR OWN KIND OF INTERNAL REVIEW ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
AND THEN THE EXTERNAL REVIEW TOO, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO Y'ALL.
COUNSEL, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING? I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS CUZ I THINK THERE'S BEEN, UM, JUST A LOT OF STUFF AND SORT OF WHERE DO YOU START? AND IT'S BEEN PUTTING OUT SERIES OF FIRES AND SO THIS HAS ALLOWED US OR GIVEN US A ROADMAP ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
AND THE, THE THEME I SEE THROUGH ALL OF THIS IS COMMUNICATION AND UM, WHICH AS YOU SAID, IT CAN BE A MOVING TARGET WITH HOW PEOPLE LIKE TO BE COMMUNICATED WITH.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UM, ONLY TRUE FOR CITY GOVERNMENT
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE HARDER TO DO.
SOME OF THESE I THINK ARE REALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.
UM, FOR SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO LIKE THE MASTER LIST OF INSPECTIONS AND CREATING SOME STANDARDS I THINK WILL BE FAIRLY EASY IMPLEMENTATION.
SO I'M, I'M EXCITED AND I WOULD LIKE THE CHECK-INS TO SEE WHERE STAFF IS.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT, UM, I'D LIKE STAFF'S INPUT ON TIMELINES AND HOW QUICKLY THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN GET THINGS, UM, UP AND RUNNING.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW INNER GOV WILL HELP FREE UP SOME TIME ONCE WE GET OVER THAT LEARNING COMP.
AND SO IT'S, UM, I'M, ANYWAY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WAS DONE AND, UM, EXCITED TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS IT BRINGS TO THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL REDUCE SOME STRESS WHEN EVERYBODY'S PLAYING ON THE SAME BALL FIELD.
YEAH, I THINK, AND ESPECIALLY, UM, IF WE GOT REALLY GOOD AT A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS, LIKE I FEEL LIKE IF WE, THEY WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF EVEN EVEN MORE OF THEM.
UM, EVEN NUMBER TWO IS ONE, I, I, UH, INITIATE DEVELOPERS FOR 'EM.
I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T TAKE A WHOLE BUNCH.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE A HIGH PRIORITY AND YOU SAID IT WAS, DOESN'T TAKE MUCH.
UM, IT'S NOT VERY HARD TO ACCOMPLISH, RIGHT? SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST BE, JUST IN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND HERE, UM, AND BEING VERY, VERY, VERY PROACTIVE ABOUT THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR, FOR ALL OF US.
THAT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY.
IF YOU NEED ANYBODY FROM COUNCIL AROUND TWO THAT'S BEFORE COVID.
REMEMBER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST GOT LIKE KINDA KNOCKED OFF ITS FEET AND WE NEVER GOT BACK THERE CUZ WE JUST, WE'VE BEEN PLAYING, PLAYING CATCH UP.
YOU GUYS HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO.
SO, UM, LET US KNOW AS A, AS STAFF, LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO ACCOMPLISH THESE THINGS.
AND, AND UH, WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE I LOOKED AT IT AND I'M LIKE, OOH, THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF, RIGHT? AND, BUT I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR FROM STAFF LEVEL, LIKE, NO, IT'S OKAY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN FOR, FOR OVER HALF OF THESE THINGS ALREADY, MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
AND SO THAT WAS REALLY ENCOURAGING TO HEAR AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE PROFESSIONALS THAT WAY AND WE'RE JUST THE PEOPLE
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THAT ARE HERE TO HELP TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED.SO I JUST LIKE THAT THE FIRST FIVE SEEMED PRETTY SIMPLE.
I DON'T WANNA SAY SIMPLE, BUT DON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF BUDGET AND DON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF MANPOWER HOURS EITHER FOR THOSE FIRST, UH, FIVE ITEMS THERE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT.
WELL, WELL I IT IS THIS GONNA, UH, TAKE, TAKE MANPOWER, UM, YOU KNOW, TO DO THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPERS FORM.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA TAKE TIME, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY REQUIRED FROM A BUDGET BUDGET STANDPOINT.
PANION PARKER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, CHRIS? SO I, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS EXCITING TO FINALLY BE HERE
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LONG TIME.
A LOT OF THE DETAILS I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, I WON'T GO OVER THEM.
BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON NUMBER 14, UM, UN UNDER UPDATE THE CITY ENGINEERING STANDARDS MM-HMM.
IS THAT JUST, THAT'S JUST NORMAL FOR WHATEVER THE, THE BIG CITY IS, UH, FOR THE SMALLER CITIES AROUND TO ADOPT THOSE STANDARDS? IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE JURISDICTION.
I COULD TELL YOU FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHEN I WAS IN A, IN A SMALLER JURISDICTION ADJACENT TO A BIGGER ONE MM-HMM.
IT'S JUST IF THERE'S ADOPTION OF ITEMS THAT ARE LINKED TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHEN THEY CHANGE, YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU CHANGE OR YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE MAYBE IN, IN MY EXAMPLE IT WAS RENO, NEVADA, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE IN MY SMALLER CITY TO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR US INSTEAD OF JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, BORROWING FROM AN ADJACENT JURISDICTION.
COUNSEL, ANYTHING FURTHER? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[29. Discuss and consider action directing staff on an amendment to the Composite Zoning Ordinance regarding carports on residential properties; Leander, Williamson and Travis Counties, Texas.]
ITEM 29 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION DIRECTING STAFF ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING CARPORTS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, LEANDER WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY'S TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.UM, SO THIS, THIS ITEM IS BASED ON A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK.
UM, WE HAD AN APPLICANT COME FORWARD THAT, UM, REQUESTED A VARIANCE FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A CARPORT.
SO OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR CAR CARPORTS TO BE PLACED IN FRONT OF THE HOME.
IT ASKED YOU TO BE FLUSH OR BEHIND THE HOME.
UM, THIS REQUEST WAS NOT, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DETERMINE THERE WAS A HARDSHIP.
SO, UM, THE, THE BOARD LEFT THE MEETING WITH, UM, ASKING STAFF TO COME TO THE COUNCIL AND SEE IF THIS IS AN ITEM THAT YOU WANT US TO EVALUATE FOR A FUTURE AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE.
UM, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, LOOK AT THE AREA AND SEE IF THERE IS, UM, A PROPOSAL WE CAN MAKE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD BOARD SINCE THEY WEREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR A VARIANCE.
REMIND ME THE, THE EXACT AREA THAT THIS IS BEING ASKED.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S MASON CREEK.
SO IT'S AROUND ALL THE OTHER STUFF TOO.
AND THIS ISN'T A REQUEST TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY? THIS'LL BE A TO THE OVERALL ORDINANCE? NO.
YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD GO THE OTHER DIRECTION ON SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, THAT'S BEEN CHANGED IN THE PAST, BUT, SO, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE SORT OF AN OPPOSITE VIEW.
I THINK, UM, I DROVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD EARLIER TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MOST, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TOWN ARE NEWER.
THEY'VE GOT HOAS THAT HANDLE THIS ALREADY, RIGHT.
UM, AND I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, BUT DRIVING THROUGH THAT OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE AN HOA, IT'S KIND OF UP TO THEM.
THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE MUCH WORSE THAN CARPORTS AND THERE WAS A CARPORT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THAT I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE IT WAS WELL DONE.
UM, IT DIDN'T STAND OUT RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT EXACTLY OUR PLACE TO BE THE HOA.
UM, BUT IF WE WANNA HAVE A MIDDLE GROUND, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS ON WHEN PEOPLE HAVE CARPORTS, BUT PERHAPS WE, YOU KNOW, REFINE THOSE MORE THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO WITH ZONING AND WHAT ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS ARE NEEDED.
BECAUSE I THINK NOBODY WANTS ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, CHEAP CRUMMY FABRIC ONES.
BUT THE ONE THAT I SAW AROUND THE CORNER THAT WAS BUILT IN, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IN THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK IT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF THERE WAS ONE LIKE BUILT IN, LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR'S TALKING ABOUT, THEY WOULD'VE WENT THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS SINCE IT'S IS A CARPORT IN THE FRONT.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ONE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UM, IF IT'S A ATTACHED TO THE HOME MM-HMM.
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YOU'RE ALTERING A STRUCTURE.SO IT'S US TO MEET THE SETBACKS.
I'M, I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF, LIKE YOU SAID, STICKING TO WHAT WE HAVE.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED AESTHETICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS IS JUST CARTE BLANCHE ALLOWED.
UM, AND DOES IT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS FOR STAFF THAT NOW WE'RE GOING AND INSPECTING THINGS, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO INSPECT BEFORE IF THEY'RE NOT HELD UP TO THE STANDARD THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE FOR US.
OH, WE, WE COULD DO, UM, RESEARCH AND SEE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS, IT'S MAYBE A COMPROMISE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT KIND OF MEETS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT HURTING THE AESTHETICS.
I THINK MY, MY BIGGEST THING IS LIKE, NOT, NOT TO, NOT TO STIFF ARM IT AND SAY NO WAY JOSE, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING A GOOD DECISION AND NOT OPEN OURSELVES UP TO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CAUSE MORE OF AN ISSUE THEN IS IT, UH, AND I I'M SORRY.
I COULDN'T FIND IT IN OUR ORDINANCES.
IS IT LEGAL TO PARK A CAR ON YOUR LAWN? I I DON'T THINK IT'S PROHIBITED TO PARK YOUR CAR ON THE LAWN.
WE HAD AN ORDINANCE WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE CITY, THE PARKING ORDINANCE, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS REPEALED WHEN THEY WERE DOING COUNTY GLEN.
UM, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING CURBS IN.
I REMEMBER THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK THEY TOOK IT OUT FOR RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE PARKED ON A PAVED SURFACE.
NOW YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE TWO PAVED PARKING SPACES.
SO THE THE CURRENT HOMES YOU SEE THE YARDS ARE SO SMALL, THAT'S YOUR DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE BIGGER LOTS, YOU COULD PROBABLY PARK OUTSIDE OF THAT.
AND SO THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT IS BECAUSE DRIVING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I SAW A NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT THE CARS WERE PARKED ON THE LAWNS AND I THOUGHT I'D RATHER SEE A CARPORT THAN A CAR PARKED ON A LAWN.
UM, AND IT SEEMED INCONGRUENT TO ME.
UM, COUNSEL, DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING? SO I'M, I UNDERSTAND THE SETBACKS, UM, IN THE EVENT OF A REVIEW, YOU'RE REALLY NOT ABLE TO DO MUCH REGARDING THE SETBACKS.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND.
WELL, I KNOW I'M NOT SAYING, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE REVIEW THE ORDINANCE AND COME UP WITH OPTIONS? YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE THIS IS A, THIS IS TO, TO DECIDE IF WE WANT Y'ALL TO COME UP WITH A, AN ORD A NEW ORDINANCE OR TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, SO THE SETBACKS WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S REGARDING A CARPORT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D EVALUATE.
LIKE CAN A CARPORT ENCROACH IN THE SETBACKS? IS THAT A CONCERN FOR VISIBILITY? THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS YOU WOULD LOOK AT.
THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A CARPORT UNDER CERTAIN INSTANCES, BUT IF THE HOUSE IN THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE NOT SET BACK REAL FAR FROM THE STREET.
WE ALSO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT LIKE WITH NEW ZONING THAT A GARAGE CAN'T COME OUT FURTHER THAN ANY REST OF THE HOUSE TOO.
AND THAT'S LIKE, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO FOLLOW THOSE THINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AREA'S GOTTA BE SEVEN FEET WIDE AND IT HAS TO COME AT LEAST OUT TO THE REST OF THE GARAGE.
SO THEY WOULDN'T JUST BE LIKE A VERY SIMPLE YEAH, GO AHEAD.
AND MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE IN NO WAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE JUST SAID, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEGITIMATE THOUGHT THERE.
SO WE COULD DO RESEARCH AND GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE BEFORE WE DO TOO MUCH WORK ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT MAYBE.
I MEAN, KINDA SHOW YOU WHAT WE FOUND IN OTHER AREAS AND YEAH, I WOULD KIND OF AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT IF PEOPLE WERE PARKING DOWN THE LAWN, MAYBE A CARPORT'S BETTER.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ALTERNATIVES.
NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PARKING ON THE LAWN BECAUSE OF THE CAR.
I DON'T THINK THOSE TWO ARE ASSOCIATED.
THEY, IT WAS CRAZY THAT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE LAWN IS ALLOWED.
AND, AND, AND CARPORT IS NOT, IT FELT WEIRD TO, BUT THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
THIS ISN'T JUST FOR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA BE CAREFUL MM-HMM.
WELL, AND I'M, I MEAN, I'D BE WILLING TO HAVE SORT OF THE BROADER CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE I, I DO THINK EVEN WITH YOU GOING TO GARAGES, WE'VE LIMITED IT SO MUCH AND SO IT DOESN'T GIVE A WHOLE LOT OF VARIATION.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF GARAGES IN FRONT OF HOUSES EITHER, BUT I JUST, I I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING TO AESTHETIC STANDARDS, BUT ALSO GIVING HOMEOWNERS OR BUILDERS OPTIONS MM-HMM.
AND SO I, I'M, I'D BE WILLING TO HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION.
I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO GO SUPER FAR DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
DID YOU TWO WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN AFTERWARDS YOU'LL NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
STILL GOTTA DO THE GUARD STILL PROCEDURE.
I AM THE CULPRIT THAT BROUGHT THIS PROBLEM BEFORE YOU.
THE PERMIT LED TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
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KNOW, IT'S A ONE SIDED CARD PORT TWO STEMS GOING UP WITH A GULLWING TOP.AND MASON CREEK NORTH IS A GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED DEVELOPMENT.
YOUR CODE WAS NOT FOLLOWED WHEN THEY BUILT IT.
SO WE SHOULD TECHNICALLY BE EXEMPT.
DID YOU KNOW THOSE, THOSE LOTS GOING DOWN MICAH AND TOEZ, THEY'RE ONLY HALF AS WIDE.
THERE'S ZERO LOT CLINTS WHERE A GARAGE STOPS THE NEXT PERSON'S PROPERTY STARTS.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE PARK ON THEIR GRASS.
YOU KNOW THE IMPROVEMENT THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WITH THE SEWERS? THAT'S BECAUSE YOU GUYS WEREN'T INVOLVED WHEN THEY PUT IN THAT COMMUNITY.
AND EVERY HOLIDAY SEWAGE BACKS UP ON TOPEZ BECAUSE THE SEWAGE SYSTEM IS A SPLIT DRAINING SYSTEM.
THEY GOT A SMALL PIPE ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND A BIG PIPE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
LIKE MY LOT IS TECHNICALLY TWO BLOCKS.
I DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR A CARPORT ON EITHER SIDE OF MY HOUSE BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ORIGINALLY LAID OUT AS A TRAILER PARK.
THE POWER IS ON A TERMINAL IN THE FRONT WITH THE METER IN THE FRONT YARD, JUST LIKE A DANG TRAILER PARK.
DID YOU COME BACK AND MAKE THE GOVERNMENT PUT THAT TO CODE? NO.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BRING EVERYTHING UP THE CODE, LEAVE ME ALONE.
I GOT FI OVER $5,000 INVESTED IN THIS CARPORT AND IT'S ROTTING UNDER MY OAK TREE BECAUSE I BOUGHT IT THINKING WELL ON IS A PERMIT.
NO, THE PERMIT STARTED IN MAY.
I HAD MY HEARING WHAT, A WEEK AGO? EVERY TURN SOMEBODY PICKED UP THE PAPER.
OH, THEY FOUND SOME, ANOTHER HOOP I HAD TO JUMP THROUGH.
I MEAN, THE PERMIT LADY ALMOST DROVE ME NUTS.
THE INSTRUCTION FOR THE CARPORTS IN THE BOX.
SHE WANTED TO KNOW EXACT DIMENSIONS, WEIGHT LIMITS AND ALL THIS CRAP TO BUILD IT.
BUT THEN I FIND OUT SHE COULDN'T APPROVE IT BECAUSE OF YOUR CONTROL.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS TARA MARSH AND I AM, UM, AT, AT 8 25 COYOTE LANE.
WE'RE APPLYING FOR THE CARPORT.
AS YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT YOU DROVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SAW PEOPLE PARKING ON THEIR LAWNS.
UM, THERE'S, UM, AND THIS CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, WAS IF THE, UM, TRAILERS THAT ARE PARKED BESIDE THE HOUSES, SOME OF 'EM ARE ON THE STREETS, SOME, I MEAN SOME OF 'EM ARE ON CONCRETE, SOME ARE NOT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE AN HOA.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY GOVERNANCE AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE APPEALING TO Y'ALL.
UM, THERE IS THAT EXISTING ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED.
THERE ARE, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER ONE IN WHAT I BELIEVE IS STILL MAYSON CREEK NORTH, UM, FURTHER OVER TO THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, AND UM, WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WERE PUT IN AFTER THE ORDINANCE WAS DONE OR IF THEY, UH, WERE GRANDFATHERED IN.
UM, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO FOR THAT TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN Y'ALL LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER.
UM, OH, THE TRAILER PARKS, THE TRAILERS THAT ARE PARKED INTO THE DRIVEWAYS OR ONTO THE PROPERTIES THEY ARE AT, I SAW ONE TO TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE PERMITS OR NOT.
AND THAT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP IN THE VARIANCE COMMITTEE MEETING WAS WHETHER THEY'RE PERMITTED AND IF THEY HA ARE LEGALLY THERE, UM, OR THEY'RE JUST PARKED, BUT ONE OF 'EM IS ALMOST TO THE CURB.
IT'S UM, IT'S VERY UNSIGHTLY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE HAD TO SEND OUT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAD TO SEND OUT LETTERS TO OUR NEIGHBORS WITHIN A 200 FEET, 200 FEET OF OUR HOME.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY SENT IN RESPONSES.
WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE STOP AND LOOK AND ASK WHAT THE
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SIGN WAS ABOUT AND SAY, THAT'S CRAZY.YOU KNOW, WHY WON'T THEY LET YOU PUT UP YOUR CARPORT? AND, UM, SO WE EVEN HAVE LETTERS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT THEY APPROVE OF US PUTTING THE, PUTTING IT, UM, THE TWO THAT JOIN US, AS KEITH MENTIONED, THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE COULD PUT A CARPORT NEXT TO OUR HOUSE.
WE COULD NOT EVEN GET THE TRUCK THAT WE WANNA PUT THE CARPORT UNDER NEXT TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE ZERO LOT LINES.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PROPOSAL THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAID WAS TO HAVE IT BEHIND.
IF YOU CAN'T GET A TRUCK ALONG THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, YOU SURELY CAN'T PUT ONE BEHIND.
PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR Y'ALL AND FOR COUNSEL, UM, WE ARE NOT DECIDING THIS CASE.
UM, THIS IS NOT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
IT'S JUST DO WE WANT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT CAR PORTS WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER SOME CIRCUMSTANCES OTHER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? UM, SO I'VE HEARD SOME YESES, I'VE HEARD SOME NOS.
IS THIS, IS THIS A JUST FOR STAFF TOO? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE GET A LOT OF? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, DO WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE PER MONTH OR PER YEAR THAT ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? PROBABLY LIKE EIGHT OR 10 A YEAR.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT ISOLATED.
LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE'RE GONNA HEAR IN 2022 AND WE COULD JUST ASK FOR A VARIANCE AND BE DONE.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S MULTIPLE, THEN THIS ISSUE WAS, IT WASN'T ELIGIBLE FOR A, A VARIANCE IS THE HARDSHIP.
SO IT'D BE CHANGING THE ZONING FOR THEIR PROPERTY, LIKE DOING A PUD JUST FOR THEM TO PUT A CARPORT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A LOT, THAT'S A LOT FOR ONE PROPERTY.
BUT IS THE OPTION TO CREATE ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES FOR THE VARIANTS SO THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR NO.
BUT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE, UM, THE, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHAT'S REQUIRED, IT PERHAPS COULD BE, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IS IT WOULD BE OKAY FOR THEM TO PUT ONE IN THE BACKYARD, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT TAKING OUT A BIG OAK TREE.
UM, WELL, WHAT DO WE PREFER? DO WE PREFER THE CAR IN THE BACKYARD? DO WE PREFER THE OAK TREE? I THINK MOST OF US PROBABLY PREFER THE OAK TREE, BUT THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY AS A HARDSHIP UNDER BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
SO MAYBE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TWEAK IN OUR CONSIDERATION OF WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED.
OR MAYBE WE JUST WANNA STAND FIRM ON IT.
SO THIS SIDE, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? DO WE WANNA CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION? OKAY, WELL, DO WE NEED A MOTION? OKAY, SO I MAKE A MOTION CONSIDER, UH, DIRECTING STAFF ON ORDINANCE REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL CAR REPORTS TO LOOK AT.
IT IS JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THAT FOR MORE INFORMATION OR IS THAT TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE? I I WANT YOUR MOTION.
IS IT TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO RESEARCH AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE OF THE POSSIBLE YES, THAT'S WHAT I, OH SECOND.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[30. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance amending Article 4.05 of the Leander Code of Ordinances and Ordinance No. 17-035-00 to amend regulations for Special Events; providing definitions; requiring applications, permits and fees; providing regulations and prohibitions; providing a penalty clause; and providing for related matters.]
ITEM NUMBER 30, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE 4.05 OF LEAN OR CODE OF ORDINANCES AND ORDINANCE NUMBER 17 DASH 35 DASH ZERO ZERO TO AMEND REGULATIONS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, PROVIDING DEFINITIONS, REQUIRING APPLICATIONS, PERMITS AND FEES, PROVIDING REGULATIONS AND PROHIBITIONS, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR RELATED MATTERS.PARKS AND RECREATION ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
YES, IS IT OKAY, KELSEY HYDEN.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UM, GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE.
I DON'T THINK OUR FONT TRANSFERRED SO IT WAS A NICER FONT, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH IT.
UM, WE, UH, PRESENTED INFORMATION ON THE PARK SPECIAL EVENT POLICY AND PROCEDURES DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS REVISIONS TO THE SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE IN A WORKSHOP FORMAT ON SEPTEMBER THE 15TH.
UM, THE INTENT WITH BOTH OF THESE ITEMS IS TO BE CONSISTENT AND PROVIDE THE BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE FOR OUR PARTNERS AND CITIZENS.
UM, IN THE RED LINE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF RED LINE ITEMS, BUT THERE'S TWO MAIN THINGS THAT WE CHANGED.
A LOT OF THE RED LINE YOU'LL SEE WAS THE REORGANIZATION TO IMPROVE THE READABILITY AND THE FLOW.
UM, WE ALSO CHANGED SOME OF THE NUMBERS AROUND DUE TO THE REORGANIZATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED DEFINITIONS INCLUDING CITY, CITY, PARK, PARADE AND PERMITEE.
THE GENERAL, UH, INFO AND RESTRICTIONS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE MADE SOME, UM, SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONS.
OH, LET'S SEE, WHERE AM I? ITEM C.
SO ITEM C IDENTIFIED GUIDELINES FOR VENDORS AT
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CITY HOSTED SPECIAL EVENTS.THIS ADDITION WILL ENSURE THAT ALL VENDORS PARTICIPATING IN CITY HOSTED SPECIAL EVENTS ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ESTABLISHED RULES, REGULATIONS, AND THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO OPENING UP VENDOR PARTICIPATION TO EVERYBODY, BUT MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE SAME GUIDELINES AND THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.
ITEM D, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO SPONSORSHIPS OF CITY HOSTED SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND ITEM D UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE, UH, THERE IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO A AND B.
ITEM A IS WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR ORIGINAL RED LINE DOCUMENT IN THE PACKET.
AND ITEM B WAS EMAILED OUT AND I THINK THERE IS A HARD COPY ON THE DIAS FOR YOU.
UM, AND ONE OF OUR COUNCIL CALLS, WE HAD SOME DIRECTION TO LOOK AT MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE, UM, OR A LITTLE LESS SUBJECTIVE.
AND SO WE WORKED WITH THE NIGHT LAW FIRM TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER OPTION.
AND SO THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IN OPTION A AND OPTION B IS TAKING OUT THE WORD PRIMARY IN FRONT OF PURPOSE.
SO OPTION A, UM, IT STATES THAT WITHOUT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE B, THAT ENGAGED IN INFLUENCING LOCAL, STATE OR FEDERAL ELECTORAL OUTCOMES.
AND THEN ITEM B REMOVES PRIMARY AND JUST SAYS PURPOSE.
UM, IF THE CHANGES DO GET APPROVED, WHICH OPTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH? MOVING ON TO ITEM E, WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR ALL VENDORS AND SPONSORSHIP ENGAGEMENTS.
SO, UM, ALL VENDORS AND ALL SPONSORS WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY A CODE OF CONDUCT AT ALL CITY HOSTED SPECIAL EVENTS.
THAT CODE OF CONDUCT WOULD, UM, OUTLINE EXPECTED BEHAVIOR CONSEQUENCES IF THOSE BEHAVIORS ARE NOT FOLLOWED, SUCH AS NOT BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AS A VENDOR.
UM, BUT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE OTHER REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS SIGNAGE LIMITS OR SIGNAGE SIZE OR WHERE UM, THE SIGNS ARE GONNA BE LOCATED WITHIN THEIR VENDOR BOOTH.
AND THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE RED LINE.
UH, THE NEXT PORTION OR A LARGE, UH, CHANGE WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF, UM, ITEM 4.0 5.084, WHICH WOULD BE THE ADOPTION OF EVENTS BY THE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE DID OUTLINE, UH, DIFFERENT PREREQUISITES.
SO EVENTS MUST BE OFFERED TO THE PUBLIC FOR TWO PREVIOUS YEARS.
THE SPECIAL EVENT ORGANIZERS MUST PROVIDE DETAILED WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION OF AN EVENT BUDGET STAFF AND VOLUNTEER NEEDS PLANNING PROCESS AND SPONSORSHIPS AS WELL AS PROVIDE A PRESENTATION OF THE EVENT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND THE ADVISORY BOARD.
AND THEN, UM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE CHARTERED TAXABLE ENTITIES OR 5 0 1 C THREE ORGANIZATIONS.
THE, THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN NEXT WOULD BE THE CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, SO WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF THE EVENT, POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS, UH, STAFFING REQUIREMENTS FOR ADOPTING A NEW EVENT.
DOES THE EVENT FIT INTO OUR MISSION AND VISION? AND THEN WHAT IMPLEMENTA AND WHAT IMPACTS WILL THIS EVENT HAVE ON THE CURRENT SPECIAL EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE ALREADY HOSTING.
IF WE DID ADOPT AN EVENT, IT WOULD BE, UM, ADDED INTO THE CURRENT BUT WOULD NOT BE ADDED INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.
BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT BUDGETING IN FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
AND THAT IS WHAT, THAT WAS REALLY CUTE, BY THE WAY.
OH NO, I MESSED THE WHOLE THING UP.
NO, THE DOG SITTING ON A DIVING BOARD.
ISN'T HE CUTE? WE JUST NEED MORE OF THIS IN OUR LIVES.
YEAH, IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE GO BACK.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO CREATED THIS, SO VERY NICE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE RED LINE.
AND SO I, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT UM, I'M SORRY, TY
I APPRECIATE THE WORK CUZ THIS WAS A LOT AND I THINK IT'S MUCH MORE CLEAR NOW.
I MEAN MY PREFERENCE, UM, I THINK IT IS ABOUT CLARITY FOR ME MM-HMM
MM-HMM
IT'S OPTION B ON OPTION D ON YOUR SCREEN.
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OKAY.OPTION B I DON'T THINK I NEED BLIND D.
TAKING OUT PRIMARY TO BE CLEAR.
OPTION B, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? WHATEVER IT IS.
THE ONE THAT REMOVES THANK YOU.
THE POSSIBLE REVISION THAT WAS EMAILED OUT.
I DO HAVE QUESTIONS THOUGH ON UM, THE 4.0 5.84 ON THE ADOPTION OF NEW EVENTS OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED ONE.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THERE'S SOME KIND OF JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT SOME KIND OF VARIANCE MM-HMM.
MM-HMM
UH, CURRENTLY IT IS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR TO HAVE ANY UM, VARIANCES.
UM, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, AND I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE WE ARE OUR OWN CITY AND YOU KNOW, OUR UNIQUE FLAVOR.
UM, BUT AS WITH OTHER THINGS LIKE OUR HR POLICY AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, HAVE WE LOOKED AT OUR SISTER CITIES OR CITIES AROUND US? AND IS THIS THE PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE AND ARE THESE THE SAME, ARE SIMILAR RULES FOR ADOPTING NEW PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO PUT TOGETHER? THANK YOU.
UM, WE DID, WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO UM, THE NATIONAL PARK AND RECREATION ASSOCIATION.
SO ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, UM, ASKED A LOT OF OTHER AGENCIES WHAT THEY'RE DOING MM-HMM
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST KUDOS FOR DOING THAT.
IT WAS HARD TO GET OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT HAD, UM, ANYTHING IN WRITING.
YOU KNOW, THEY ALL GAVE US PROCESSES THAT THEY FOLLOW BUT UM, HAVING SOMETHING IN WRITING HASN'T BEEN DONE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND.
SO WE GET TO BE THE FIRST YES.
UH, I JUST WANNA ECHO WHAT WE'VE HEARD ALREADY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
THIS IS NO EASY TASK AND UH, I ALSO LIKE THE, THE REVISION, UH, LETTER B.
UM, ON WHEN Y'ALL ARE EVALUATING NEW PROGRAMS OR OR EVENTS THAT WOULD ROLL INTO PERS AND REC, HAVE Y'ALL, UM, AND IT MAY BE SORT OF BACK OF AN ENVELOPE, BUT MM-HMM
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO ANYTHING.
UM, BUT OF COURSE IT WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SENSE THE PER CAPITA EXPENDITURES, SO IS THE ATTENDANCE HUNDRED BUT THE BUDGET IS 5,000, YOU KNOW? UM, SO JUST LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT.
UM, I THINK LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WE MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A COST ANALYSIS WORKSHEET THAT WE PUT IN AND SO WE PUT IN PROJECTED ATTENDANCE WITH PROJECTED EXPENDITURES AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THOSE EXPENDITURES MAKE SENSE FOR WHO ALL IT'S GOING TO IMPACT.
UM, SO I THINK EACH EVENT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
NO, NO, NO, YOU DID PERFECTLY.
AND I'D FORGOTTEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT OTHER OR WORKSHEET, UM, I'D FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT.
SO I'LL JUST SAY MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.
THIS IS, WE DEFINITELY NEEDED THIS AND I THINK THIS WILL KEEP, KEEP, UH, KEEP US ALL IN LINE AND WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND YES, I, WELL DONE.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON, SINCE CLEARLY WE'RE GONNA BE, MAYBE NOT THE FIRST, BUT ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT HAVE TAKEN, UM, A GREAT AMOUNT OF TIME TO PUT THIS IN DETAIL AND PUT THIS IN WRITING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WAIVER PROCESS? YES.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WAIVER FOR? I'M ASKING, UM, FOR THE NEW EVENTS THAT ARE BEING ADDED, THERE ARE LOTS OF STEPS AND TO SOME IT MIGHT APPEAR PROHIBITIVE, UM, AS IF MAYBE WE'RE NOT WANTING TO DO OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, BREAST CANCER AWARENESS, I DON'T KNOW, TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE STEPS IF FOR A PARTICULAR, IF THEY DETERMINE THAT THAT COULD BE DONE AND SHOULD BE DONE, GIVING THE STAFF LIKE A CASE BY CASE, THE
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ABILITY TO DO IT BASED ON THIS, THAT ABILITY WOULD NOT BE THERE.I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH OPTION B.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
DID YOU WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS HERE? I'LL ACTUALLY, OKAY, WE WILL BE IN RECESS.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE RECONVENING AT 8:47 PM
[31. Discuss and consider action on a Resolution of support to limit consideration of zoning requests that seek to add residential zoning or increase the density of residential land uses in lieu of nonresidential uses; prioritize a desired residential land distribution mix of zero (0%) percent within the Multi-Use, Neighborhood Center, Activity Center, Employment Center, Urban Mixed Use, and Leander Central land use categories identified on the Future Land Use Map; prioritize low-density use components (Single-Family Rural, Single-Family Estate, and Single-Family Suburban) within the Neighborhood Residential land use categories identified on the Future Land Use Map; and continue to encourage conservation actions that will reduce short- and long-term water system demands.]
MOVING ON TO ITEM 31.BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, UH, OH, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL ANNOUNCE IT AND THEN WE'LL SAY, UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT TO LIMIT CONSIDERATION OF ZONING REQUESTS THAT SEEK TO ADD RESIDENTIAL ZONING OR INCREASE THE DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL LAND USES IN LIEU OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
PRIORITIZE A DESIRED RESIDENTIAL LAND DISTRIBUTION MIX OF 0% WITHIN THE MULTI-USE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, ACTIVITY CENTER, EMPLOYMENT CENTER, URBAN MIXED USE AND LEANDER CENTRAL LAND USE CATEGORIES IDENTIFIED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
PRIORITIZE LOW DENSITY USE COMPONENTS, SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE AND SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES IDENTIFIED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE CONSERVATION ACTIONS THAT WILL REDUCE SHORT AND LONG TERM WATER SYSTEM DEMANDS.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS ITEM, WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, DAVID GLENN, PLEASE COME FORWARD, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME'S DAVID GLEN WITH THE HOME BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION.
WE ARE AT 7,800 SHO CREEK BOULEVARD IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME, UH, VISIT WITH Y'ALL THIS EVENING.
I SENT YOU ON EMAIL, UH, LATE AFTERNOON.
THAT OUTLINED A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS.
SO I WON'T, UH, GO TOO FAR INTO THAT.
BUT I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF OUR CONCERNS.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS JUST A RESOLUTION, BUT WE, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT RESOLUTIONS SET GOALPOSTS AND LINES IN THE SAND.
SO WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE MESSAGES, THE SANDING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
UM, WE, WE TYPICALLY WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH STAFF, UM, ON, ON CHANGES TO, UH, CODE AND, AND, AND RESOLUTIONS.
BUT WE GOT THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT LATE.
UH, WE ONLY HAD, UH, A FEW DAYS AFTER IT WAS POSTED TO REVIEW IT.
AND OUR ASK TODAY ISN'T, UM, TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THIS.
IT'S, IT'S TO ASK FOR A TWO WEEK DELAY.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD SAS PRESENTATION ON THIS YET, SO WE'RE CURIOUS TO HEAR, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK BACK TO OUR, UH, STAKEHOLDERS AND GET THEM TO WEIGH IN ON, ON HOW THEY THINK THIS MIGHT AFFECT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT YET IN THE PIPELINE.
UM, WE, I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH ROBIN AND HER TEAM, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK AND ANSWER A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, WHICH WE APPRECIATE.
UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WE SEE THAT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, TO RECO TO BASICALLY PASS OVER ANY SORT OF ZONING, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT IS MORE DENSE THAN 70 FOOT LOTS, WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY, UH, HOW THE STAFF ENDED UP AT 70 FOOT, WHY NOT 60 FOOT.
UM, IF THERE WAS ONE THING WE COULD CHANGE IN THE RESOLUTION AFTER LOOKING AT IT FOR THE LAST FEW DAYS, IS THAT, THAT THAT WOULD GO DOWN TO 60 FOOT INSTEAD OF 70.
UM, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SEE, UH, SOME, SOME, SOME DATA OR SCIENCE ABOUT HOW, UH, HOW MUCH WATER IS ACTUALLY AFFECTED BY THESE, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONINGS.
WE ARE LESS CONCERNED WITH THE COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL ZONINGS, UM, REZONINGS, WE ARE MORE INTERESTED IN THE RURAL TO RESIDENTIAL ZONINGS, WHICH YOU THINK LIKE A RURAL LOT TO, UH, A 60 FOOT, A SERIES OF 60 FOOT LOTS, UM, WHICH WE THINK IS LESS IMPACTFUL.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
I KNOW MARI LA WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IRRIGATION ORDINANCES AND OTHER WAYS TO, TO CONSERVE WATER, UM, WITH THE ACTUAL IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN AS WELL, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, LIMITING REZONING OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, GIVEN THE FACT THAT COUNCIL CAN TURN DOWN ANY REZONING AT ANY TIME ALREADY, WHY THIS RE, WHY THIS RESOLUTION IS REALLY NECESSARY.
UM, WE THINK IT'S, UH, IT JUST, IT REALLY KIND OF SWOOPED A LOT OF OUR, OUR MEMBERS WHEN THEY FIRST SAW IT.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE A TWO MORE WEEKS TO WRAP OUR MIND AROUND IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, ASKING FOR A DELAY, IF NOT, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE, THE RESOLUTION BE AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR, UH, 60 FOOT LOTS OR, UM, LARGER HAPPEN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND THEN YOU'LL NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
MY NAME IS, UH, GREG HERMAN, 1 0 7 PITTON COVE, GEORGETOWN, TEXAS.
UM, I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING.
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EVEN AWARE THIS WAS COMING FORWARD.I OWNED THE 30 ACRES ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF RONALD REAGAN HERO.
I BOUGHT IT SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO WITH ALL THESE NODES IN PLACE, KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I COULD DEVELOP, MET WITH THE CITY AND DISCUSSED WHAT WE COULD DO.
I DEVELOPED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT TEXAS AND INTO THE MID-SOUTH.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME, I'VE LOST THE ABILITY TO DO APARTMENTS.
I LOST THE ABILITY TO DO, UH, COTTAGE HOMES.
I AT LEAST STILL HAD TOWN HOMES BECAUSE I NEED TO TRANSITION FROM, YOU KNOW, OFFICE AND CONDOS, EXCUSE ME, OFFICE AND RETAIL.
I DO A LOT OF RETAIL BACK TO THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO USE THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY FOR? ACTUALLY ABOUT SEVEN ACRES.
WHAT DO I USE IT FOR? I'VE INVESTED A TON OF MONEY.
I'VE CARRIED IT UNTIL IT'S READY AND IT'S READY NOW.
IN FACT, OUR FIRST PHASE IS IN WITH THE CITY.
CURRENTLY WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE AFFECTED BY HERO WAY, EXPANSION AND REAGAN.
AND WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE WEREN'T AFFECTED.
AND THEN THEY DECIDED TEXT.CITY OF LEANER.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ACQUIRE THE APARTMENT COMP, EXCUSE ME, THE MORMON CHURCH AND A COUPLE HOUSES.
THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY SINCE THEN.
THEY'VE MOVED REAGAN 200 FEET TO THE WEST INTO ME.
I WILL ULTIMATELY LOSE NINE ACRES IN THE END.
BUT IN DOING SO, YOU ALL GET TO PURCHASE MY RETAIL PHASE ONE, WHICH WILL COST MILLIONS IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
I JUST, THESE DECISIONS I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, LITERALLY, IS THIS A RESOLUTION THAT'S GONNA BE FOREVER? WE CAN'T PUT ANY RESIDENTIAL INTO THESE LOCATIONS, OR IS THIS JUST TILL JUST UNTIL YOU MAKE THE WATER IMPROVEMENTS? IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY, BUT I MEAN, A LOT OF US HAVE A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED, AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT AND SPEND MILLIONS DOING IT, GIVING YOU THE RETAIL, THE RESTAURANTS, EVERYTHING.
BUT I CAN'T TELL WHERE THE BALL IS.
IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT AS A LANDOWNER AND A DEVELOPER TO KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO.
IT CHANGES ALL THE TIME AND MEETING WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
UH, THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WE SHOULD SPEAK? OKAY, WITH THAT, UH, CITY MANAGER, BEVERLY, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
Y'ALL PAY ME FOR THE BEING THE PINATA, UH, IN TERMS OF MY JOB IS TO DELIVER NOT ALWAYS WHAT Y'ALL, EVERYBODY WANTS TO HEAR, BUT ACTUALLY, UH, KIND OF A PERSPECTIVE WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND THEN HOW TO MANAGE THROUGH THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
WE'VE DONE THAT WITH, UH, THE, UH, MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, THE TIERED WATER RATES, THE THIRD PARTY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
AND WE ALSO HAD PROMISED Y'ALL WHEN Y'ALL BROUGHT, WE BROUGHT Y'ALL THE MODELING THAT WOULD BRING Y'ALL INTERIM UPDATES.
THIS IS NOT A MODELING UPDATE, BUT THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE UPDATE REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, WE, WE CAN AND WILL BE GOING BACK IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL MODELING, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS TIMELY GIVEN THE WAY WE WERE ABLE TO MANAGE THROUGH THE BCR UA REPAIR TO ALSO BRING THIS TO Y'ALL NOW, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE IT IS RELEVANT.
I THINK IT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE CONTEXT OF IF WE DO KEEP ADDING RESIDENTIAL, UM, LET'S SAY AT THE, AT THE RATES, THE HISTORIC RATES, LET'S SAY TWO YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE EVEN A YEAR FROM NOW, UH, IF WE HAD TO ENTERTAIN THE SAME TYPE OF REPAIR SCENARIO WHERE WE WERE ONLY RELYING ON SANDY CREEK, EVEN WITH THE SLUDGE PROCESSING BEING TAKEN IT FROM 10 TO 12 MGD, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'D BE ABLE TO MANAGE THROUGH IT.
SO IT'S IN THAT CONTEXT OF THE EXISTING, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND ALSO WHAT'S ALREADY ENTITLED.
SO I'LL JUST KINDA WALK THROUGH THIS AND, AND SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS AND, AND THE REASON FOR IT.
AND IT IS TO SEND A MESSAGE AND A CLEAR MESSAGE, UH, THAT
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WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND GIVE Y'ALL THE TOOLS TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR FUTURE, UM, LAND USE AT LEAST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.SO RIGHT NOW, OUR TOTAL CAPACITY, SANDY CREEK PLUS BCR U A IS 25 AND AND A HALF.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE MODELING SCENARIOS AND ACTUALLY WE WERE SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THAT.
WE, WE ACTUALLY DID PRETTY GOOD.
UH, WE WERE UNDER 21 OF THE PEAK DAY.
SO AS DAN HAS MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS IN THE MODELING AND IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT A MODEL NOW BY 2028, AFTER PHASE TWO A, SO THAT'S ONE D TWO AND TWO A.
OUR CAPACITY WILL, WILL JUMP UP TO 44 MGD.
SO TO KIND OF JUST TO NOT DIRECTLY ADDRESS IT, BUT YES, THIS IS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A, AT A PERMANENT RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
HOWEVER, THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL.
SO WE'VE HAD OVER 300% INCREASE IN POPULATION IN THE LAST 12 YEARS.
WE'VE AVERAGED 12%, UH, GROWTH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
SO I GUESS DECEMBER, I'VE BEEN HERE THREE YEARS, SO THAT I'VE, UH, WE'VE ALL BEEN PART OF THIS RIDE HERE ON STAFF TOO, ALONG WITH COUNSEL.
OUR CURRENT LAND USE MIX IS 58% RESIDENTIAL.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE IS COMMERCIAL.
UH, 14.5% IS, UH, OTHER NON, YOU KNOW, IT'S NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL.
AND THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, OLDER INDUSTRIAL SITES.
THINGS LIKE, UM, CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT OR OTHER LIKE INSTITUTIONAL OR GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTIES.
SO THOSE ARE OFF THE TAX ROLLS.
AND THEN INTERIM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UH, ARE PRIMARILY, AND ROBIN CORRECT ME, I KNOW THROUGHOUT THIS I'LL PROBABLY ASK YOU AND DAN AT DIFFERENT POINTS, BUT THOSE ARE MOSTLY LARGE LOT THE DEFAULT RURAL LARGE LOT, CORRECT, 22%.
SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE THAT ARE INSIDE THE CITY THAT WE DO.
UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF HISTORIC REQUESTS AND WE EXPECT A LOT MORE NOW THAT WE KNOW THE MARKET'S ALSO CHANGING.
RECENTLY, THERE'S A BIG PUSH FOR, UM, FOR RENT NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR RENT TOWN HOME COMPLEXES, AND NOT JUST APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND KIND OF NATIONALLY, THE TREND IS FEWER PEOPLE CAN CLOSE ON THEIR HOMES.
AND SO WE DO EXPECT THAT SHIFT TO GO MAYBE TO EVEN HIGHER DENSITY PRODUCTS.
NOW, HIGHER DENSITY IN AND OF ITSELF CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT PER ACRE AND WATER USAGE.
HOWEVER, OUR PROBLEM, AND, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE TABLE, IS THE DENOMINATOR.
I WAS GONNA SAY FOR YOU, AGGIE'S OUT THERE, THE LOWER NUMBERS IS STAYING THE SAME.
AND THE NUMERATOR WHEN WE ADD CONNECTIONS IS GETTING BIGGER.
WE DO HAVE SOME INTERIM BUMPS, BUT KEEPING PACE WITH THAT, THAT GROWTH ADDED TO THE NUMERATOR IS THE CHALLENGE.
AND SO IF WE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YES, UH, THE PRIORITIZATION OF COMMERCIAL, UH, WAS INCLUDED IN THERE, UH, BY OUR INTERNAL ESTIMATES.
WE'RE LOOKING THAT RESIDENTIAL IS PROBABLY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS OUT AHEAD OF, OF, OF, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE LARGER MARKET AND THE LARGER ECONOMY AND THE PULLBACK OF DISCRETIONARY SPENDING, THAT COULD GET DEEPER, THAT ACTUALLY COULD GET DEEPER.
THERE COULD BE SOME PAUSE BECAUSE THE LENDING PIECE, EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL IS APPARENTLY, ACTUALLY EVEN SPOKE TO ASHLEY.
SHE'S, UH, AT A, AT A CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY ACTUALLY DID DISCUSS THAT.
THAT'S A BIG ISSUE AT THE MOMENT.
SO THAT IS NOT JUST A LOCAL, IT'S A NATIONAL TREND.
NOW, IN, UH, IN MAY, WE DID BRING THE, THE SECOND OF THE, OF THE MEMOS THAT STAFF AND MYSELF HAD, UH, PUT TOGETHER REALLY EMPHASIZING THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, ALLOW THAT TO CATCH UP FOR THE TAX BASE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT JUST THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, IT'S THE WATER, IT'S THE, IT'S THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE SEVERAL YEARS BEHIND THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE.
OOPS, I'M SORRY, THIS IS, I'M USED TO ONLY DOING THIS FOR NETFLIX.
OKAY, SO THEN, AND DAN, CAN I MADE DAN LAUGH.
AND SO, UH, AND DAN CAN CHIME IN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PHASE
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IT'S REALLY GOING ALL THE WAY, NOT JUST THROUGH PHASE TWO.BUT ONE THING THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS IS THAT, AND, AND PHASE TWO A IS NOT IN DESIGN YET, BUT LET'S ASSUME PHASE TWO A OF THE DEEP WATER INTAKE PROJECT, WHERE WE REALLY GET THE BIG BUMP TO 44 MILLION GALLONS A DAY THAT OCCURS IN 23 WITH NOTHING SLIPPING, THEN THAT WOULD BE 2028.
SO AS, AS PROPOSED, WE'VE WE'RE SUGGESTING A FIVE YEAR YEARS NOTHING DRAMATIC.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO AVOID THE DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS.
AND, AND AN EXAMPLE I'D LIKE TO GIVE Y'ALL, LET'S SAY EACH QUARTER, IF Y'ALL APPROVE, LET'S SAY NINE OUTTA 10 THINGS, Y'ALL DON'T APPROVE RESIDENTIAL, BUT EACH QUARTER Y'ALL APPROVE 500, 500 CONNECTIONS.
SO THAT'S 2000 MORE ADDED TO THE TOTAL IN THAT YEAR.
SO RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS A GOOD, THESE ARE SOME, SOME COMPARISONS.
WE HAD A GOOD SUMMER, WE HIT 20, DIDN'T GET UP NEAR THE 26.
KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE ADDING TO IT DAY BY DAY.
AND THIS IS, I, I WANT TO THANK, I WANNA THANK THE MAYOR AND HER OUTREACH.
I WANT TO THANK MOSTLY THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN WORKING THROUGH THIS AND AVOIDING AN EMERGENCY.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO BOIL WATER, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT FULL BUY-IN AND THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'RE BR THAT I SUGGESTED BRINGING THIS NOW FOR THE SAKE OF OUR EXISTING CUSTOMER BASE.
AND FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF THOSE, WHEN I GET DOWN TO THE SECOND SET OF BULLETS THAT ARE ALREADY ENTITLED, WE DON'T WANT TO BASICALLY APPROVE MORE THAN WE HAVE CAPACITY FOR.
SO THIS WEEK IT'S COOLER, IT'S GREAT.
12 MGD, UH, IT'S GREAT WEATHER.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS A LITTLE WEATHER.
BUT, UM, SO LET'S GET DOWN INTO WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY WE HAVE ALMOST 13,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS OF VARIOUS TYPES THAT ARE ENTITLED, UH, DOING THE MATH FOR THAT AT 3.28 OCCUPANTS, PEOPLE PER UNIT.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, WITH WHAT'S ALREADY ENTITLED, WE COULD THEORETICALLY IN, ACTUALLY MIKE BROKE IT DOWN IN SIX YEARS, BUT IN SIX YEARS, UH, YOU'D BASICALLY TAKE US ALL THE WAY UP TO ABOUT 125,000 PEOPLE.
NOW THIS, LET ME, LET ME PREFACE THIS ONE.
WHAT'S USED IN THIS TABLE IS THE CURRENT ASSUMPTION OF ABOUT 244 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY.
WE CAN BRING THAT DOWN HOPEFULLY WITH ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION MEASURES.
AND THIS IS NOT THE MODEL DO THIS, THESE ARE NOT THE MODELED AMOUNTS OF, OF PERCENTAGES.
NOW WE DO THINK THAT THE PERCENTAGES ACTUALLY MAY DROP EVEN, EVEN FURTHER.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, YOU ADD TO THE NUMERATOR, YOU MAY BE BACK UP THERE OR HIGHER, BUT THIS IS JUST GOING THROUGH THE EXERCISE.
IF YOU WERE TO SPREAD WHAT'S ENTITLED ON THE RESIDENTIAL SITE ACROSS THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX, SIX YEARS.
SO AS YOU, AS YOU SEE, WHEN WE GET TO 2025, EVEN IF YOU'RE USING, LET'S SAY WE DO, SO WE'RE AT 10 RIGHT NOW.
WE WERE AT 12, NOW WE'RE AT 10.
LET'S SAY WE GO TO EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT.
AND LET'S SAY WITH, WITH THE MORTGAGE RATES AND IT GETS UP THERE, IT SLOWS.
SO WE'RE BY YEAR, BY 2025, EVEN IF YOU'RE DOWN AROUND 7%, YOU'RE AT OUR TOTAL.
IF EVERYTHING THAT'S ENTITLED WERE TO BE BUILT ALONG THAT SCHEDULE.
UM, SO YOU'D HAVE THAT PROBLEM AND THEN YOU WOULD HIT A MORATORIUM, THEORETICALLY.
NOW YOU'D BUMP BACK UP ONCE YOU COMPLETE THAT NEXT PHASE.
AND THAT'S ONE D, CORRECT? THAT'S ONE D.
AND SO THEN YOU'RE BACK TO 32 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AFTER ONE D.
SO THAT'S, SO, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS ALSO MEANT TO, TO WORK WITH OUR, UH, PARTNERS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE SO THEY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT ISN'T GOOD FOR BUSINESS TO TRY TO SELL SOMETHING THAT, THAT EXCEEDS THAT.
SO UNDER A SCENARIO, IF YOU LOOK AT, IF WE GO TO A HIRE, SAY WE STAYED AT 10%, THEN WE DO HAVE A, WE GOT A REAL PROBLEM EVEN SOONER.
SO WE WOULD HIT A MORATORIUM, UM, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MORE LIKELY IN 24 WE'D
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HAVE TO HIT A MORATORIUM.AND KEEP IN MIND IF WE HIT A MORATORIUM THAT'S NOT JUST ON RESIDENTIAL, ALSO BE ON EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL.
AND THE PURPOSE OF GOING THROUGH THIS AGAIN, IS YOUR EXISTING CUSTOMER BASE, YOUR RESIDENTS, YOUR VOTERS, UM, AND PLUS THOSE THAT THOSE INVESTORS AND, AND THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE PROPERTIES ENTITLED ALREADY.
SO REALLY FIRST IN LINE, SECOND IN LINE AND SO FORTH, IF, UH, WE HIT A MORATORIUM, THEN IT, IT BECOMES SELF-FULFILLING.
WE WE'RE GONNA HIT THE CONSERVATION PIECE AND CONTINUE TO HIT IT.
BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA TELL YOU WHERE WE SEE PINCH POINTS AND ISSUES.
AND AGAIN, IF WE KEEP ADDING TO THE NUMERATOR AND IT, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FOLKS COME TO YOU AND SAY, JUST GIMME ANOTHER 500 HERE.
JUST GIMME 500 DOWN THERE, PRETTY SOON YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER 2000 IN A YEAR.
IF YOU'RE DOING THAT 500 PER QUARTER, YOU COULD TURN DOWN NINE OF 'EM.
BUT IF YOU APPROVE THAT 10TH ONE AND IT'S, OH, IT'S JUST 500, YOU DO IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 14,000.
THEN YOU'LL BE, IT'LL ALMOST BE, IT WILL BE A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY AT THAT POINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS NOT A MOUR, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID A MO TOUR.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN.
ONE THING THAT THAT STAFF DOES EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK EVEN SOME OF THOSE LITTLE WHISPERING, UM, HAVE, UH, ONE THING, AND I WOULD LIKE DAN AND ROBIN TO SAY A FEW THINGS WHEN I WRAP UP MY, UH, MONOLOGUE HERE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY COME IN INDIVIDUALLY.
MOST DEVELOPERS COME IN INDIVIDUALLY AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO DO THIS.
IT'S JUST ONE MORE, IT'S JUST ONE MORE EACH TIME.
AND IT'S NOT THAT SINGULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN NECESSARILY THAT DOES IT, BUT IT'S WHEN THEY KEEP COMING IN UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION THAT WE'VE BASICALLY GIVEN AWAY MORE THAN THERE IS TO GIVE AWAY.
AND WE DO WANNA BE TRANSPARENT ON THAT.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND OF COURSE, MODEL AND REMODEL.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHERE THINGS ARE GOING TREND-WISE.
UM, BUT WHERE THERE IS SOME CONCERN, WE DO GET REQUESTS TO PLACE RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE'S COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT BALANCE IS ALSO CRITICAL.
SO Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GIVEN Y'ALL THAT SPIEL PREVIOUSLY IN THE OTHER TWO MEMOS, BUT THIS IS REALLY SAYING, IT'D BE GREAT IF EVEN IN THOSE MIXED USE CENTERS, IDENTIFYING THE COMP PLAN THAT ARE CURRENTLY SITTING THOUGH IN TERMS OF ZONING AT LARGE LOT, IT'D BE GREAT TO ACTUALLY GET THE COMMERCIAL PIECE FIRST.
NOW, I KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY'S GONNA TELL YOU, AND THEY TOLD YOU THIS WHEN YOU WERE AT 30,000.
YOU WON'T GET NICE STUFF TILL 50.
THEN THEY'RE TELLING YOU WHEN YOU GET 75,000, YOU'LL GET NICE STUFF.
THE CONCENTRIC CIRCLES THAT SITE SELECTORS USE, THERE'S NUMEROUS THINGS THAT GO INTO IT.
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS THAT ARE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT EVERYBODY DOESN'T, THEY LIVE IN, BUT THEY SHOP ELSEWHERE.
RIGHT NOW WE SIT AT APPROXIMATELY 577 5 OR 73 OUT OF SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY, SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY MUNICIPAL TAXING UNITS IN PER CAPITA DOLLAR CAPTURED OF SALES TAX.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GOOD RANKING.
UH, BY COMPARISON, YOU CAN LOOK AT FLATONIA AND HALLSVILLE GONZALEZ AND ALL THOSE LITTLE TOWNS AND THEY'RE TRIPLING US.
TYPICALLY THAT MEANS WITH A DAIRY QUEEN AND, AND A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE LIVING IN TOWN AND HAVING THE TOWN SQUARE.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW OUR DISPOSABLE INCOME OF OUR RESIDENCE IS GETTING SPENT IN CEDAR PARK.
MORE RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE C STORE IN FRONT OF SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND IN SOME CASES, IF IT, IF IT DOES JUST, LET'S SAY IT JUST KEEPS RUNNING NORTH, IT, IT COULD EVEN BE A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY THAT SOME OF IT JUMPS 29 EVEN PAST US.
CUZ WHEN YOU DRAW THOSE CONCENTRIC CIRCLES FOR SAY A LARGE HARDWARE STORE, A LARGE BIG BOX RETAILER, AND THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE IN CEDAR PARK, THEY CAN CAPTURE AND WE HAVE THE PROOF THEY'RE CAPTURING IT RIGHT NOW, MOST OF OUR POPULATION NOW, AND THEN THEY CAN CAPTURE A LOT OF IT TO THE NORTH.
EVEN IF WE FILL IN, WHAT'S CRITICAL IS THAT WE RETAIN THOSE PIECES THAT ARE IN THE COMP PLAN AT ALL, AT ALL COSTS FOR RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE RO THE ROADS
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AND UH, THE O AND M ON EVERYTHING.UM, DAN, ROBIN, AND, YOU KNOW, TELL ME WHERE I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, Y'ALL PROBABLY NEED TO ADD A FEW THINGS TO MY 30,000 FOOT VIEW SUMMARY HERE, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD GIVE THEM AT LEAST A DISCUSSION TOOL TO SAY WE REALLY TRULY ARE AT THESE LIMITS AND THIS IS HOW MUCH THAT'S ENTITLED.
AND THIS IS WHY, UH, DAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU VOL VOLUNTEER HOLDING.
SO, UM, DAN GRIMS OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
I GUESS I'LL START WITH, UH, FIRST, UH, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, SO, OR DO I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING MR. GREENSVILLE? SO ARE WE SAYING ALL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES THAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF ARE NOT MAKING A DENT AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS ANOTHER LEVER? IS THAT WHAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING OR? YEAH, WE ARE MAKING A D THIS SUMMER WAS PROOF OF IT, RIGHT? WE THOUGHT WE'D BE CLOSER TO 25 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AND, AND, UM, WE ONLY HIT, YOU KNOW, 20.8.
SO, UM, AND THAT WAS A VERY HOT DRY SUMMER AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
SO IS THE EDUCATION, UM, AND THE TIERED RATES AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WORKING? YEAH, I, I THINK IT IS.
UM, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THAT.
UM, NEXT SUMMER I THINK WE'LL BE THE SAME.
SO I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, UM, IS HELPING, I THINK THIS REPAIR IS A WAKE UP CALL, UM, TO MANY RESIDENTS THAT, HEY, MAYBE I DON'T NEED TO WATER AS MUCH AS I THINK I DO.
OR I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY I'VE SAVED 50 OR A HUNDRED DOLLARS DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S QUITE A BIT.
SO, UM, SO OUR CONSERVATION EFFORTS HAVE HELPED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SPACING OUT DEVELOPMENT HAS HELPED.
SO I JUST, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE POINT OF THIS, BUT I'M GONNA LET OTHERS TALK.
WELL, THE, I THINK THE, THE, THE POINT IS, IS THIS IS, UM, AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY THE GENTLEMAN, I GUESS THE SAME IS THE CONTINUITY OF THAT.
WE, WE HAVE A, A FRIGHTENING FRONT OF, UH, A MESSAGE THAT'S BEING PUT OUT OUT, MUCH LIKE THE REPAIR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE GATHERED THAT, THAT MESSAGE AND WE SENT OUT A, A CLEAR CONCISE MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE WERE DOING AND HOW WE WERE DOING IT.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE SAME THING, IS THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT A CLEAR, CONCISE MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC STATING, HEY, IT'S NOT PERMANENT.
UM, WE DO HAVE WATER ISSUES FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX YEARS.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T DO IS WE CAN'T BUILD 12,000 UNITS IN TWO YEARS CUZ COME THIS SUMMER OF 24, WE WOULD BE FLATTENED IF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE 12,000 UNITS THAT WE COULD, WE CAN BUILD OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS, UM, OR THEREABOUTS AND MANAGE THAT AND THEN MANAGE THAT OVER THE PERIOD OF THE SIX YEARS SO THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH IT AS WE'RE BUILDING THE PHASE ONE D IN THE RAW WATER LINE AND GETTING SANDY CREEKS, UH, SLUDGING REDUNDANT TRAIN ON, YOU KNOW, BY THE, BEFORE THE SUMMER OF MAYBE SOME OF IT BY THE SUMMER 24, WHICH CAN BE VERY QUESTIONABLE, BUT SURELY BEFORE THE SUMMER OF 25.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'RE GOOD.
AND THEN WE GET PHASE TWO A ON, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, OF OF WATER WHERE WE CAN THEN CONTINUE TO GROW.
YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE 10 MILLION GALLONS RIGHT NOW.
WE COULDN'T OFFER A, A COMPANY TO COME IN AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO USE 4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
WELL, THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
WE DON'T HAVE 4 MILLION GALLONS TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT SUPPORT BY MANAGING THE GROWTH OF THE NEXT SIX YEARS AND HAVING THAT WATER AT THE END OF PHASE TWO A, WHICH AGAIN, WE WERE SHOWN THAT WE DON'T HAVE PHASE TWO A QUITE IN THE WORKS YET AND WE NEED TO FACILITATE THAT.
AND YOU WROTE A RESOLUTION APPROVING, HEY, MOVING THAT FORWARD AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OC I'M MOVING THAT FORWARD JUST LIKE THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE CLEARWELL.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SO, SO YEAH, I I I THINK IT'S A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX YEARS.
AND, AND AFTER THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THE C I P AND OTHER THINGS GOING AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, COME 20, 27, 28, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD.
UM, I, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE BY A COUPLE MO YES, WE PROBABLY, WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, UM, YEARS BEFORE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE PASS.
WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX AND GO FORWARD.
AND WE'RE GOING, AS I STATED BEFORE, THE
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LAST COUNCIL AS ABOUT AS FAST AS WE CAN GO ON THE C I P PROJECTS AND THE, UH, THE B C I U A AND THE SANDY CREEK UPGRADES.UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PUSHING THEM AS FAST AS WE CAN.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, CAN YOU, UM, CITY MANAGER BEVERLY, TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THIS? I SEE A LOT OF RESEARCH WENT INTO THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IF THIS RESOLUTION WERE TO BE APPROVED? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF TWO SIDES TO THAT.
THE, SO ONE EXAMPLE, SO Y'ALL APPROVED THE IMPACT FEES IS AN EXAMPLE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY WELL BEHIND.
THIS IS ON THE ROADWAY SIDE, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA FIX THAT IMMEDIATELY.
WE WILL HAVE SOME CATCH UP AND WE NEED PROBABLY SOME YEARS TO CATCH UP ON THAT.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, 325 MILLION IN 2020 $1.
SO IF WE ADD, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS, LET'S SAY ON, UM, LET'S SAY THE, THE ROADS AROUND GLEN AND DANIELSON AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE EXAMPLE ON JUST THE ROADSIDE, HOW THE RAPID GROWTH AND YOUR ABILITY FOR YOUR ROAD, JUST YOUR ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE TO CATCH UP.
WHERE HA WE HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE OBVIOUSLY ON, UM, THE B C R U A SIDE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SIX YEARS.
SO IN A PERFECT WORLD, YES, WE'D AT LEAST TO BE AT THE 32, LET'S JUST SAY WE'D TO BE AT THE 32 MGD AT LEAST BY NOW AND BE CLOSER TO THE 44.
BUT WE'RE NOT, IF WE HAD THAT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT RED, THAT RED LINE THERE.
AND UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.
YES, IF YOU BROUGHT MORE FEE REVENUE IN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T BUILD YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE FAST ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS QUICKLY.
UM, NOW THE OTHER PIECE IS IF WE HIT A MORATORIUM, WE MIGHT MISS ALSO COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
I KNOW DAN HAS ALLUDED TO WE CAN'T COMPETE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID, WE WERE IN THE COMPETITION BACK IN THE DAY FOR SAMSUNG, BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES WE COULDN'T ADDRESS WAS ALSO THE TIMELINE ON HOW MUCH WATER THEY WOULD NEED AND HOW QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY FRANK ABOUT HOW OUR, WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS WERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY A BLESSING TOO BECAUSE AS YOU'VE PROBABLY READ, YOU'VE GOT WATER, YOU'VE GOT ROADS THAT WOULD EVEN ACCELERATE THINGS EVEN FURTHER.
UH, LONG TERM IT'S NEVER GOOD FOR A CITY TO BE OVER ABOUT OVER, UM, SUBSCRIBED ON RESIDENTIAL IN TERMS OF YOUR O AND M.
UM, YOU KNOW, A A I DO KNOW OF CITIES IN THE STATE THAT, LET'S SAY HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE, NIGHTTIME POPULATION, DAYTIME POPULATION A HUNDRED, AND THEN THERE'S CITIES OF A HUNDRED.
THEIR DAYTIME POPULATION CUTS IN HALF.
I CAN TELL YOU WHICH ONE'S MORE SUSTAINABLE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE, THE MATH TOO.
SO IF THE, IF THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH RATE WERE TO SLOW AND THE COMMERCIAL WERE TO INCREASE, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTIMUM SCENARIO.
AT LEAST SLOW ENOUGH SO WE CAN ADDRESS SIGNALS, TURN LANES, ROADWAY, WIDENINGS, UM, THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, THE FIRE STATION CONSTRUCTION, THE PARKS.
NOW, I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE, LIKE TONIGHT JUST SOME DISCUSSION ON THE PARKS ARE, AND MARKS HERE ARE ACREAGE OF PARKS.
WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BUY LAND FAST ENOUGH, UH, UNTIL IT COMES DOWN A BIT.
UH, BUT OUR PARK LAND PER CAPITA IS NOT THERE EITHER.
SO I'D SAY OUR SHORT TERM REVENUE COULD GO DOWN ON PERMITS AND FEES, BUT THAT IS IT.
THAT WILL NOT LAST LONG TERM EITHER WAY.
AT SOME POINT YOU'LL SLOW AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED THOSE OTHER PIECES TO PAY THE BILLS LONG TERM.
AND THOSE ARE YOUR COMMERCIAL PIECES.
AND THEN ALSO A REASONABLE STRATEGY FOR YOUR, UH, I MEAN AT SOME POINT WE'D LIKELY COME BACK NOT ONLY FOR A BOND ON CITY FACILITIES AND PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO ON ROADS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT GOES TO OTHER DEBT AND THERE'S REALLY NO, NO OTHER WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
IS THERE A BALLPARK NUMBER OR IS IT'S NOT AT THIS POINT? WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD RUN, WE COULD OBVIOUSLY RUN SCENARIOS ON IF WE OKAY.
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THE PART WHERE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL, YOU HAVE A LOT THAT ARE ENTITLED IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS WITH WHAT'S HAPPENED ON THE MORTGAGE RATES.UM, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, THINGS DROP OFF.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT EITHER WAY.
SO THAT IS A PIECE THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO WATCH NO MATTER WHAT.
AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 10% RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE LOOKED AT A FEW OF, I THINK YOU, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AT LEAST OVER THE MONTH OVER THE, THE PRIOR YEAR AND ROBERT AND I TOO, WE'RE SEEING SOME SLOWING MM-HMM.
SO IF THERE'S SOME SLOWING, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN IMMINENT NEED TO GO ENTITLE MORE, THAT MAY GIVE US ENOUGH PAUSE TO CATCH UP ON SOME THINGS.
UM, ONE, ONE THING I, I CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION, UM, CUZ I KNOW SIX YEARS SEEMS LIKE, UH, FOREVER, BUT IT'S GONNA GO BY QUICK
SO SUMMER OF 24 IS GONNA BE OUR MOST DIFFICULT SUMMER.
AND THE REASON IS AS, AS, AS, AS MUCH AS I, I PRAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DONE PHASE ONE D AND SANDY CREEK PROBABLY WON'T BE BE DONE BEFORE THE SUMMER 24, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE EVERY EFFORT FOR THAT.
BUT, BUT THEY, THEY WILL BE DONE THE SUMMER 25.
SO WHAT WE COULD SAY IN THREE YEARS CLOSER IS THAT WE DO A SANITY CHECK AND SAY, LOOK, WE JUST GOT 7 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY BECAUSE WE GOT SANDY CREEK ON IN PHASE ONE D AND, AND AND HOW ARE WE LOOKING? AND, AND THEN CAN WE READJUST? WE DON'T NEED TO ADJUST THROUGH THE SUMMER OF 24 CUZ THE SUMMER OF 24 WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT ON THE LINE.
THAT'S NOT NECESS SOMETHING GREAT HAPPENS, BUT THE SUMMER OF 25 WE'RE GONNA LOOK MUCH BETTER.
NOW ALSO FOR THE SUMMER 25, WE CAN LOOK AT HOW AND HOW WELL THE BE, UH, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE IS COMING.
IF IT'S GOING GREAT, THEN AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST OUR, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
BUT IF THE DEEP WATER INTAKE AND THE DESIGN AT PHASE TWO ARE NOT GOING AS WELL AS WE THINK, THEN MAYBE WE HOLD ON TO THIS PROCESS OF, OF THIS MESSAGE FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
SO I COULD SAY WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE THE MESSAGE SOUND PRETTY STRONGLY FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO THE SUMMER OF 24, AND THEN REEVALUATE AFTER THAT POINT, JUST AS A, AS A POINT OF, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS ANYWAY, THIS, THIS FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE NUMBERS USED, UM, THE 20 MILLION GALLONS, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH OUR PEAK FOR THIS SUMMER, CORRECT? WITH, WITH THIS BEING IN A SURVEYOR DROUGHT.
SO ALL THE NUMBERS AS THEY GO UP BY THOSE, THOSE PERCENTAGES, THIS IS THAT STILL BASED OFF THE SAME WEATHER PATTERN AND THE SAME DROUGHT AND THE SAME WATER USAGE MAXED OUT AT THE 20 MILLION GALLONS? SO, SO I, I MADE THAT SUGGESTION BEFORE THAT THE, THE THREAD RIGHT NOW IS THAT THERE'S CONCERN WITH THE DROUGHT THING GOING ON.
AND SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT THE PAST HAS SHOWN THAT THE WORST, THE DROUGHT OR THE, THE WORST, THE TEMPERATURE, THE MORE WATER THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO USE MM-HMM.
2011 AND 2012 WERE FUN EXAMPLES OF THAT.
UM, AND SO WE SEE THAT EVEN IN OUR TIME WHERE, UM, YOU GET A WEDNESDAY AND IT'S A SUPER HOT AND IT HASN'T BEEN RAINING FOR TWO WEEKS, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET TO 20 OR 21 MILLION GALLONS, UM, A DAY.
AND NOW SOMETIMES IT ONLY LASTS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THAT PEAK, IT ONLY LASTS FOR A COUPLE DAYS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT.
RIGHT? SO, SO THE QUESTION IS, SO I UNDERSTAND IT IS RIGHT NOW THE WETTER PATTERN AND THE RIVER AUTHORITIES ARE KIND OF SAYING WE'RE PLANNING FOR A, A, I WOULDN'T SAY WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT A LONGER, A LONGER DROUGHT SCENARIO NOW THAT SOMETHING COMES UP AND EVERYBODY SAYS THAT TROPICAL STORM, THIS HURRICANE THAT'S ON THE PACIFIC, IT ROLL IN THROUGH OVER THE MOUNTAINS AND BRING US SOME NICE RAIN AND, UM, BUT EVEN THAT ONE'S DRIZZLING OUT, NO PUN INTENDED.
UM, I HAVE A CONCERN ON, UH, PART THREE, PRIORITIZE LOW DENSITY USE COMPONENTS INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE.
UM, SINCE WE KNOW THAT IRRIGATION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST WASTE WOULD LIMITING LIKE ENCOURAGING SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE, UM,
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ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE MORE WATER USAGE.IT IT, SO THE DEFAULT, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE DEFAULT.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU WERE, YOU WERE, YOU DID HELP LANGUAGE.
SO RURAL IS THE INTERIM ONE I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT A STATE IS 80 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
AND THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE WORKS WHEN YOU COME IN TO DEVELOP, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DISTURB, UM, FIVE FEET AROUND THE, THE HOME.
SO YOU'RE NOT TO PULL OUT THE WHOLE YARD AND TURF.
IT'S LIKE THAT'S THE NEW ORDINANCE WE'VE ADOPTED TO SAVE WATER.
UM, AND THEN DARA, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE TO CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY.
HOW CAN I GO ABOUT THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO I, I WASN'T, I NEVER, I'VE PUSHED THE BUTTON LIKE THREE TIMES AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE GO
SO I, I JUST, FIRST OF ALL, I, I KNOW THIS, Y'ALL HAVE DONE WHAT WE ASK Y'ALL TO DO, SO THANK YOU FOR THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR QUITE OFTEN ABOUT, UH, THE CITY NEVER PLANS NEVER, CITY'S NEVER READY FOR WHAT'S, WHAT COMES AHEAD.
AND YET WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE WAS PROPOSED A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND AT THAT TIME, AND THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF ANYONE, THEY COULDN'T FORESEE WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND I BELIEVE DANIEL PRESENTED ONCE 16% WAS THE, THE GROWTH FROM 20 TO 21.
WAS THAT RIGHT? DOES THAT SOUND OR ONE? SO, UM, 16%.
ANYWAY, I, BUT THE AVERAGE YOU'VE GOT IS 12%, SO, WELL, YES MA'AM.
SO IN 2019, UM, IT WAS, UM, IF I HAVE IT HERE, I HAVE CONNECTION, GROWTH.
UM, ANYWAY, IT WAS DRAMATIC, RIGHT? IT WAS 10, 15, 13.
SO, SO NO ONE COULD PREDICT THAT.
AND, AND I, AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, I I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT MAINTAINING THAT THAT SAME GROWTH, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE, MORE OF A, A, A REASONABLE GROWTH.
UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, THE, UM, THE LANGUAGE HERE IN THE, THE, UH, RESOLUTION IS NOT ABSOLUTE.
IT IS IT'S LIMIT, NOT ELIMINATE, UH, PRIORITIZE, PRIORITIZE, CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THESE ARE UNREASONABLE.
UM, I, I DO HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE, UM, THE LOT SIZE, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WORTH DISCUSS DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THE COMMERCIAL GROWTH, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHERE WE HAVE TO CATCH UP, UH, OR WE ARE GOING TO REMAIN A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE MOVE HERE AND THEY THINK THAT THAT'S, THEY'RE THE LAST PERSON TO MOVE HERE, AND THEN IT STOPS THEN AND IT JUST DOESN'T, AS LONG AS THERE'S A PLACE TO LIVE, UM, PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE, WHICH IS A GREAT, A GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO CATCH UP.
UM, SO WITH ALL WITH THAT, I, THERE'S A, I I CAN TELL THAT MY MIC IS ON.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION AT 9:57 PM WE ARE STILL ON ITEM 31.
UH, COUNSEL, WERE THERE FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ET CETERA.
WELL THEN, UH, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN ITEM 31, BUT ALSO FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, DESIGNATING THE TEMPORARY NATURE AND, AND WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS.
AND OUR GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE THIS LIKE MORE, MORE DEFINED AND LESS, LESS LOOSE.
SO THIS IS CLEAR EXPECTATIONS.
IS THERE, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO THERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED OR EMAILED TO US ABOUT 60 FOOT LOTS VERSUS THE 70 FOOT LOTS.
UM, IS THAT WORTH DISCUSSING TO, TO CHANGE THAT OR I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ALWAYS A REQUEST OF ONE OF THE SPEAKERS.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TALKED ABOUT AFTER THE RES THROUGH THE RESOLUTION.
THIS IS US SAYING, THIS IS US AS A COUNCIL SAYING, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING.
THIS IS A MESSAGE TO OUR, TO OUR, UH, CITIZENS SAYING, HEY, THIS IS A SERIOUS THING.
WE HAVE STAFF LOOKING INTO THIS THINGS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH A DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON MAKING SURE THIS THING IS CORRECT,
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AND THIS IS GONNA BE OUR FIRST STEP IN ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS.AND ALSO, UM, AND I, AS FAR AS A TIME LIMIT THAT WOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE,
UM, AND THE, THE READING OF THIS RESOLUTION, UM, THERE, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY TO IT, IT SHOWS OUR INTENT.
UM, THE ORDINANCE WILL BE REALLY WHERE, UM, MORE OF THAT FORM TAKES PLACE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, RIGHT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PASSE UNANIMOUSLY.
[32. Discuss and consider action on authorizing the Brushy Creek Regional Utility Authority (BCRUA) President to execute a Professional Engineering Services Agreement with Walker Partners for the final design of a six-million-gallon clearwell in the amount of $291,749.00.]
ITEM 32, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AUTHORIZING THE BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL UTILITY AUTHORITY, B C I U A PRESIDENT TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH WALKER PARTNERS FOR THE FINAL DESIGN OF A 6 MILLION GALLON CLEARWELL IN THE AMOUNT OF $291,749.EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, GRIMMS BE ALL RIGHT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL DAN GRIMMS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, TODAY THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF AUTHORIZING THE B C R UA PRESIDENT TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH WALKER PARTNERS FOR THE FINAL DESIGN OF A 6 MILLION GALLON CLEARWELL.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE DESIGN PART AS NOT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA INTERFERE WITH THE PHASE ONE D EITHER.
WE'RE GONNA DO IT INDEPENDENTLY.
SO PHASE ONE D STAYS ON TRACK, UM, BUT WE ARE WANTING TO ACCELERATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS CLEARWELL, AND THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
MOTION TO APPROVE, SECOND MOTION, AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[33. Discuss and consider action directing staff to amend an Ordinance providing for the name, composition, and the powers and duties of the Public Art Commission.]
THANK YOU.ITEM 33, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION DIRECTING STAFF TO AMEND AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE NAME COMPOSITION AND THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION.
ASSISTANT PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR HAYDEN.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UM, I AM THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION.
AND, UM, TONIGHT, THE LAND OR PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION HAS A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.
UM, THE COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TWO TO FOUR COMMISSIONERS TO THE GROUP WOULD ASSIST THEM IN PLANNING AND HOSTING ART EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND TO INCLUDE, UM, ALL CULTURAL AND DIVERSE EVENTS, INCLUDING THE MLK EVENT, JUNETEENTH, DIWALI, CINCO DE MAYO, ET CETERA, TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL EVENTS IN THE FUTURE.
THE COMMISSION WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CHANGE THEIR NAME TO INCLUDE CULTURE TO THE LAND OR PUBLIC ARTS AND CULTURE COMMISSION ENCOMPASSING ITS EXPANDED FOCUS.
AND, UM, THE LAND OR PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED ALL THREE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THEIR REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2022.
UH, COMMISSIONER KOWSKI IS IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT HE HAS ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, HE WOULD, HE'S HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? UM, NO MA'AM.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS OR SAY ANYTHING? YES, I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, BECAUSE WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK, UM, ORDERING TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO EXACTLY HOW MANY YOU DOING TWO OR ARE YOU DOING FOUR? UH, ADDITION TO THE, STEVE, CAN YOU TALK TO WHAT THE PREFERENCE OF THE COMMISSION IS FOR HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ADDED AND WHY? UM, STEVE KOWSKI, UM, GOOD EVENING.
THIS IS THE REDS ARE OUR, UH, BASICALLY OUR SUBCOMMITTEES THAT DEAL WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT DEALS THAT WE DO, UM, INCLUDING BOOTH EVENTS, ONGOING ITEMS, OTHER EVENTS.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE SIX PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL DURING THE SUMMER, AND IT'S A BIG, BIG TIME FOR EVENTS.
AND SO OUR COMMISSION, OUR SUBCOMMITTEES LOOK VERY BARE AND IT'S HARD TO MAN BOOTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THAT INCREASING THE NUMBER IS, IS SOMETIMES MAKES A QUORUM DIFFICULT, MORE, MORE HARDER.
BUT, UM, IT, IT, I'VE THINK INCREASING THIS NUMBER, UH, EITHER BY TWO MORE OR FOUR MORE WILL HELP US GET THE STAFF OR THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO, UM, DO THESE ACTIVITIES AND BE ABLE TO INCLUDE 'EM MORE.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, TALKING TO SOME OF YOU GUYS BEFORE YOU, HE WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, MORE, IT'S HARDER TO GET THE QUORUM, SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT TO TWO OR FOUR, LETTING
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YOU GUYS DECIDE ON THAT.SO THAT'S UP TO, SO I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO, WHO WOULD ANSWER THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KELSEY OR, UM, WHAT, WHAT ALL THE, ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR.
UM, CAN'T LPAC ALREADY DO THAT? I MEAN, THE EVENTS, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE EVENTS, BUT EVERYTHING THAT I'M HEARING, IT SOUNDS LIKE CHANGING FROM AN ARTS COMMISSION TO AN EVENTS COMMISSION AND, UM, YOU CAN ALREADY PARTICIPATE IN THE EVENTS.
UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT TO AN EVENTS.
IT WAS, WE, WE DO A LOT OF EVENTS IN OUR, UH, COMMISSION ANYWAY.
UM, THE CULTURE PART IS JUST SO, UM, WE WANT TO EXTEND HAVING MORE EVENTS THAT ARE MORE CULTURALLY INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO ADD THE CULTURE TO THE NAME.
SO ISN'T THAT WHERE, UM, I MEAN, BUT THE EVENTS THEMSELVES, I MEAN, YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO THE EVENTS AND THEN YOU, I GUESS YOU RECOMMEND THEM TO, TO MR. TUBMANS AND THEN TO US, OR, I MEAN, YOU CAN ALREADY DO THAT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, BY MAKING ALL THE, ALL THE CHANGES.
WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND.
IN THE ORDINANCE, IT LAYS OUT THAT THEY DO A LOT OF CULTURAL EVENTS AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MISNOMER THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING, THEY'RE JUST APPLYING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO PUBLIC ART AND THE CULTURAL ASPECT GETS LOST.
SO I FEEL LIKE FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, ADDING CULTURAL REALLY IS WHAT YOU WERE DEFINED TO DO IN THE BEGINNING.
SO AS FAR AS HAVING IT IN THE NAME IS THAT, CUZ I'M, I'M KIND OF ADDRESSING ALL OF IT.
THERE'S, CUZ THERE'S A LOT
WE JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT CULTURE MEANT TO THE NAME.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEING ASKED THOUGH.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THERE'S A LOT BEING ASKED.
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE BEING ASKED MM-HMM.
UM, ONE WAS FOR THE NAME CHANGE TO GO FROM LEANDER PUBLIC ARTS AND ARTS COMMISSION TO ARTS AND CULTURE, WHICH IS THE CULTURE PART IS ALREADY WRITTEN.
WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE AND EVERY ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN, THAT'S A PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
BUT I, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IT APPEARS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST PUBLIC ART AND THIS WILL HELP THEM BE COHESIVE IN HOW THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR BRANDING.
ALSO FROM THAT MEETING, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS DID FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE RESPONSIBILITY WHEN SOMEONE IS A ACTUAL COMMISSIONER AS OPPOSED TO SIMPLY A VOLUNTEER.
AND SO THAT IS WHY THEY FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO REQUEST FOUR WAS THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO BE ADDED.
BUT THE COMPROMISE WAS TO THAT THEY COULD AT LEAST WORK WITH TWO ADDITIONAL.
BUT THE ORIGINAL ASK THAT I REMEMBER, STEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT Y'ALL DISCUSS WAS ADDING FOR YES, SIR.
ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTOOD COMING INTO THE COMMISSION, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY TO SHOW UP TO THE DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON AND PARTICIPATE AS OPPOSED TO JUST A VOLUNTEER THAT IS DOING IT.
AND BECAUSE CULTURAL EVENTS, UM, ARE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE CULTURAL ACTIVITIES, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN DONE.
THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO OUTLINE IT FOR EVERYONE, THAT THAT IS ALSO A PART OF THE CHANGE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, THAT IT BECOME A MORE ACTIVE PART OF THEIR COMMISSION SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN AN ACTIVE PART, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY ASKING FOR A LOT COMPARED TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE.
BUT, UM, THOSE WERE THE REASONS FOR THE CHANGE THAT THE BOARD DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING THAT I WAS AT.
HOPEFULLY THAT CLARIFIES IT BETTER.
MR. TURNER? IT AS FAR GO AHEAD.
IF YOU HAD, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THE, THE EVENTS.
I MEAN THESE, AGAIN, THE EVENTS ARE, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE EVENTS AND THAT'S GREAT.
SO YOU'RE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REQUEST FOR THE EVENTS.
WELL, IT'S NOT A REQUEST FOR MORE BUDGET, IT'S JUST SAYING, THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING.
THEY COULD DO A SMALL EVENT AT THE LIBRARY THAT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.
THEY'RE JUST, IT READS TO ME LIKE THEY'RE JUST CLARIFYING.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONTROVERSY.
MAYBE I HAVE A QUESTION I MIGHT CLARIFY.
SO FOR MLK, WE HAD A MLK PLANNING COMMITTEE.
WOULD THIS SUPERSEDE THAT THIS NEW, THIS LPAC OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, UM, THROUGH THIS AND, AND COUNCILWOMAN THOMPSON'S CORRECT.
AND, AND NOT ONLY THE ORIGINAL AND THEN THE UPDATE
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THAT I WORKED WITH PAGE AND HER STAFF AND THE, AT THAT TIME, THE PUBLIC ART COMMISSION IN 2018, UH, WE ADDED SOME THINGS, WE CHANGED SOME THINGS AROUND, BUT DEFINITELY THE CULTURAL AND ARTISTIC ENDEAVORS AND PROJECTS WERE REMAINED IN THAT.SO THEY ALWAYS HAD THAT ABILITY.
EVEN, UH, UNDER SECTION 1 14 0 3 4 POWERS AND DUTIES, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONDUCT THOSE, UM, UH, PUBLIC NON-PROFIT PROGRAMS TO FURTHER THE DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC AWARENESS AND INTEREST IN FINE ARTS AND THE PERFORMING ARTS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THEIR INTENT IS.
UM, SO FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION SIDE, WE ARE NOT, UM, OPPOSED TO ANY OF THE THREE THINGS, WHETHER YOU WANNA CHANGE THE NAME OR ADOPT A NAME OR ADD TO THE NAME THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, THAT'S FINE.
I, I'M MORE PROBABLY, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY CONCERNED BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PROCESSES THAT, UM, UH, WE NEED TO DISCUSS BECAUSE WHEN YOU ADD A GROUP TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVENTS THAT HAVE CITY DOLLARS AND CITY NAME ATTACHED TO 'EM, YOU WANT THOSE EVENTS TO BE HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL AND A COMMUNITY-WIDE TYPE EVENT.
AND, AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE CAN GET THERE, BUT THERE ARE PROCESSES FROM NOT ONLY BUDGETING, BUT PURCHASING RFPS, RF QS, PROCUREMENT, AND IT TAKES SPECIAL PEOPLE, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT CITIZENS CAN'T DO THAT, BUT IT JUST TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY, A LOT OF EFFORT, A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT.
SO IF YOU GO FROM SEVEN TO 11, THEY'RE ALREADY, I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT FOUR PEOPLE DOWN CURRENTLY.
NOW HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ENERGIZE SOME PEOPLE, BUT IT'S STILL A VOLUNTEER BASED GROUP.
AND SO I'M WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE, OR HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THESE PROCESS IN PLACE, PLACE THAT PEOPLE ARE TRAINED.
UH, SO THERE, THERE'S NOT, UM, WHEN AUDITS COME ABOUT, THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMING BACK TO, TO HURT OR BITE THE PUBLIC ART, ART COMMISSION AT ALL.
SO I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE THOUGHT WORKING WITH OUR FINANCE, OUR PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? HONESTLY, NO, I'M SORRY.
UM, I MEAN THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS DONE ART FEST BEFORE.
THEY'VE DONE FESTIVALS BEFORE.
AND THIS DOESN'T READ TO ME LIKE THEY'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY TAKE OVER ALL OF THE STAFF JOB.
THEY'RE SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLANNING GOES TO THEM BECAUSE IN THE ORDINANCE IT DOES SAY THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR CULTURAL EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES.
SO IT FEELS LIKE THE CULTURAL EVENTS SHOULD FALL UNDER LPAC AND NOT PARKS BOARD.
UM, TO ME, AND, AND I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S SUGGESTED THAT THERE'S ANY CHANGE IN BUDGET OR OVERSIGHT.
SO I'M NOT, THOSE ARE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, NEITHER AM I I'M OF WHAT I'M READING AND WHAT I HEARD IN THE MEETING, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY WERE PLANNING OR WANTING TO TAKE OVER ALL OF THE EVENTS FROM CONCEPTION ALL THE WAY THROUGH PRODUCTION.
IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN WE NEED TO AGAIN, TAKE THAT TIME TO SIT DOWN AND TALK THROUGH HOW THESE THINGS WORK.
UM, LET'S ASK MR. KOWSKI, SORRY, WHAT WAS THE INTENT, MR. KOWSKI? JUST TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH THE THEM, THESE GUYS AND, UM, INCLUDE A LOT MORE DIFFERENT CULTURE EVENTS LIKE INCLUDING, UH, COOKINGS CULINARY EVENTS.
UM, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT, I MEAN, THERE'S A SPECIFIC MENTION BY THE CHAIR FOR ADDITIONAL CULINARY EVENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL THEATER ARTS EVENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE DONE.
SO IT WASN'T AN INTENT TO TAKE OVER OR I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING SAID THERE, BUT, UM, THE INTENT REALLY WAS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE WANT TO INVOLVE ALL CULTURAL AND ART BACKGROUND, NOT JUST A FOCUS ON SCULPTURAL ART AS IT HAS BEEN, UM, TO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT AND NOT JUST, UM, A FOCUS ON SOME PUBLIC DISPLAYS.
THEY WANNA BE MORE ALL ENCOMPASSING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL WAS, UM, TO DO THAT.
SO, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. TOMS. SO CURRENTLY, WHAT IS THE PARKS BOARD'S ROLE IN LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY FESTIVAL? CORRECT.
THEY'RE PART OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE UNDER OUR RECREATION EVENTS AND ATHLETIC SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THEY HELP US PLAN, EVALUATE.
THEY'VE BEEN IN PART OF THE PROCESS OF
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EVALUATING THIS PAST YEAR'S LIBERTY FEST AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE.SO COULDN'T WE JUST DO THAT SAME THING FOR CULTURAL EVENTS AND SAY THAT IT'S LPAC THAT THAT GETS THERE? ABSOLUTELY.
I'M, I'M APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, ANY EVENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED THAT WERE NOT, THAT WERE REQUESTED, THAT WERE NOT DONE, HAVE THEY PROPOSED TO DO ANY, ANY EVENTS STEVE WANNA TAKE THAT? UH, ANY EVENTS, MLK AND TEAM? WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE CULINARY AND SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROPOSAL OR ANY RECOMMENDATION TO DO ANY EVENTS AND THEN THEY WERE DENIED? IT'S NOT A CASE OF DENIAL.
I THINK IT WAS JUST NOT HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE, UM, INVOLVED WITH IT.
WE ACTUALLY WAS TALKING, NOT DOING A BARBECUE COOKOFF BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR, BUT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE OR GETTING INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO, SO, SO THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECOMMEND EVENTS AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES EVENTS BETTER THAN OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND ESPECIALLY COMBINED TOGETHER AND WITH THEIR DIRECTION AND ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS OR USING, UM, COMMITTEES, WHETHER IT BE ARTS COMMISSION OR, OR ANY OF THEM.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY LIMITATION ON THAT.
UM, PEOPLE CAN VOLUNTEER AND PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THOSE.
SO I'M STILL A LITTLE, I I THINK IT'S MORE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST WANNA BE MORE INVOLVED WITH THESE, THESE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO.
CLARIFICATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE.
SO, UM, SO DOES, DOES, DOES LPAC ALREADY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, I GUESS, TO CREATE THEIR OWN EVENT AND, AND GO DO THOSE THINGS AND WE CAN, DO THEY, DO THEY NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL OR, UH, OR APPROVAL TO GO IN AND AND DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW? NO.
WE DON WE HAVE, WE, YES, WE ARE ABLE TO DO EVENTS WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL.
WE HAVE OUR OWN LITTLE BUDGET AND SO FORTH.
SO STAFF, ARE YOU SAYING IS, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M, I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M, THAT'S, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT'S CLARIFICATION.
SO ARTS FEST THAT THEY HELD, THIS WAS THE SECOND ANNUAL, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO DO THAT.
DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE WHEN THE CITY IS PLANNING EVENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF ONES THAT YOU CREATED AS LPAC? NO.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IN, IN THE CLARIFICATION WOULD BE FOR CITY STAFF IS THAT IN INSTEAD OF USING THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, UM, AS A SUBCOMMITTEE ON CULTURAL EVENTS, THAT WE WOULD LEAN ON THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION TO BE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR CULTURAL EVENTS.
AM I MISUNDERSTANDING? THAT WAS THE READING OF IT.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF IT WAS A FULL BLOWN BUDGET, THEY'RE TAKING OVER THING, IT WOULD BE A MUCH HEALTHIER AGENDA ITEM THAN JUST THIS.
WELL, THERE IS A BUDGET THERE.
WE APPROVED LIKE THREE YEARS AGO WE APPROVED A BUNCH OF MONEY TO GO TOWARDS TO THAT BOARD FOR PUBLIC ART.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE APPROVED IT FOR THEN AND NOW, LIKE, LET'S SAY WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT I DON'T, CAN THOSE FUNDS BE USED? NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY BY THE WAY, BUT LIKE, CAN THOSE FUNDS BE USED TO GO HAVE AN EVENT RATHER THAN THE BEAUTIFICATION AND LIKE, UM, WELL, HAVE THOSE FUNDS BEEN USED FOR EVENTS? THEY, THEY DO HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR CONCERTS AND EVENTS IN THE PUBLIC ART FUND.
IT'S NOT AS SIGNIFICANT OR SUBSTANTIAL AS THE PUBLIC ART IDENTIFIED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT THEY DO HAVE AN EVENTS BUDGET.
I GUESS MY, CUZ AS FAR AS ADDING A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND CHANGING THE NAME, I DON'T, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT.
I GUESS WHERE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S COORDINATION EFFORT IS BETWEEN PARKS AND ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE WORK THAT PARKS HAS DONE OF CREATING THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THE CITY'S REPRESENTED PROPERLY.
THAT, UM, THE PUBLIC ARTS OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA NAME IT, AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ARE WORKING IN LOCK STEP, THAT THERE'S NO TOES STEPPING ON.
OR IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, AN EVENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THAT IT DOESN'T WORK COUNTER OR IT'S NOT ON THE SAME DAY OR ANY OF THOSE COORDINATION EFFORTS, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M, AND, UH, TO MARK'S POINT OR MR. TUB'S POINT, IT'S, IT'S A COMMUNICATION EFFORT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, AND I THINK THAT THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE 65 PEOPLE, AS LONG AS EVERYBODY'S WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD THOUGH BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY, LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE, ON TONIGHT.
UM, AND THERE'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
THERE MIGHT BE ONE EXTRA, BUT I KNOW
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THERE'S NOT TOO EXTRAS, TWO EXTRA PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED.SO, YOU KNOW, FOR, TO BE ASKED TO PUT TWO FOR SOMETHING MORE AND THERE'S HARDLY ENOUGH PEOPLE TO FILL THE SPOTS RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD WORRY A LITTLE ABOUT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT BRANDING COMES IN THOUGH, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, WE JUST SAW A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE LAST MEETING WHO ARE PUTTING TOGETHER DIWALI FESTIVALS WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE INCLUDED IF THEY FELT THERE WAS SOMETHING CULTURAL AND THEY JUST DON'T REALIZE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE NAME.
SO, MS. CRABTREE, IF WE APPROVE EXPANDING THE COMMISSION TODAY, UM, WOULD THOSE SEATS HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL APRIL TO BE FILLED OR COULD WE DO A SPECIAL FILLING OF THOSE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR? WE WOULD NEED TO RE ADVERTISE TO GET INDIVIDUALS IN.
WE COULD MAKE A SPECIAL ALLOWANCE THIS TIME BECAUSE WE WERE EXPENDING THE BOARD TO DO THAT, AS WELL AS TO ADVERTISE AGAIN FOR TERSE BECAUSE WE HAD NO APPLICANTS APPLY FOR TE AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
AND THAT ONE IS GOING TO CREATE, COME INTO A POSSIBLE QUORUM ISSUE.
SO, CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE.
FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, BECAUSE MAYOR PARTEM HAD MADE IT STRAIGHT MOTION WITH MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS WHAT I HAVE AT THE MOMENT, IS TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE 1.4, DIVISION TWO PUBLIC ART COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE COMPOSITION.
IF YOU CAN STILL CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT YOU DESIRE THAT TO CHANGE THE NAME TO PUBLIC ART AND CULTURE COMMISSION TO BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL CULTURAL AND DIVERSE EVENTS.
AND TO, UM, ASK THE PUBLIC, UH, THE, I APOLOGIZE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, TO USE PUBLIC ART AND CULTURE COMMISSION AS AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR CULTURAL ARTS.
THEN FOR, I'M SORRY, FOR CULTURAL EVENTS.
TWO OR FAIR BECAUSE I WAS REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THAT'S, AND I WANTED US TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS THE INTENT.
DOES THAT PROVIDE TO SAY IT? THANK YOU COUNSEL TOO.
I'M CURIOUS WHY THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP WHEN THIS WAS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION.
LIKE WHAT EXACTLY THAT INTENT WAS.
IF IT WAS JUST A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
IF IT WAS BUDGET, SORRY, NOT TO PUT Y'ALL ON THE SPOT, JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT'S COMING UP NOW.
I, I THINK THAT AT THE MEETING THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED THAT THIS WAS IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT DETAILS OR WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
UM, AND THEY WERE JUST QUICK TO MAKE THE MOTION TO SAY, YES, WE WANNA DO THAT.
UM, SO THERE WAS NO QUESTIONS OR, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WITNESSED AT THE MEETING.
WAS THAT IT WAS JUST A QUICK ACTION TO SAY, YES, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE WANNA DO.
UM, WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP WITHIN YOU, SO NOW LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF US, THE NEXT TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES UP, MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARDS HAVE THAT CLARIFICATION SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS.
I THINK, UM, SO THERE WAS A MOTION.
WHAT'S, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THE PNC, RIGHT? OH, MIKE'S GOT SOME, SORRY.
UM, IS THERE ANY CLARIFICATION THAT COUNSEL MAY WANNA MAKE IN YOUR DIRECTION ABOUT THIS, THIS ROLE THAT PARKS BOARD CURRENTLY HAS? AND THAT SHIFTING TO, TO OUR COMMISSION, HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE PARSING THAT? DOES COUNCIL WANNA OH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I, SHE, SHE ADDED IT TO THE MOTION WAS, SO MARK, MARK HAD PRESENTED THAT, THAT A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE PARKS BOARD CURRENTLY PROVIDES THAT ADVISORY CAPACITY TO SOME EVENTS.
ARE WE SORT OF SPLITTING THAT BETWEEN THE PARKS BOARD, PARKS BOARD ADVISING ON SOME EVENTS DEPARTMENT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S FINE.
SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.
WHAT ARE LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION IS THAT NEEDS TWO PEOPLE, OR FOUR PEOPLE, OR THREE PEOPLE.
ARE WE STILL ON THAT? THIS HAS TO BE AT, I STILL SAY ZERO.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON EVERY OTHER BOARD THAT WE HAVE? ACTIVE ADULTS HAS A TON.
WHAT ARE WE AT? ACTIVE ADULTS MOST BOARDS HAVE SEVEN.
THAT'S THE PRETTY MUCH STANDARD.
THERE ARE OTHERS THAT HAVE MORE AS WELL AS LIKE TOURISTS HAS LESS.
SO NOW WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
WE NEED JUST, WE NEED A SECOND STILL.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? PASSES.
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NUMBER 34 IS CONVENING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TALK ABOUT, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPOINTMENTS.YOU WEREN'T ASKING ME
[35. Discuss and consider action on appointments to the following boards, commissions and committees: Active Adult Advisory Committee, Board of Adjustment, Economic Development Committee, Ethics Commission, Historical Preservation Commission, Public Art Commission, Parks & Recreation Advisory Board, Planning & Zoning Commission, Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone No.1(TIRZ) Board, and the Development Authority Board.]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM 35.DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON APPOINTMENTS TO THE FOLLOWING BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES.
THIS IS YOUR ACTIVE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, ETHICS COMMISSION, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION, PUBLIC ART COMMISSION, PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMISSION TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER ONE, TOURS BOARD.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY BOARD C MS. BERG IS COMING FORWARD WITH THE BALANCE.
OH, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE, UH, ACTIVE ADULT ADVISORY BOARD ONE BY ONE.
AND THEN AFTER YOU FILL IT, JUST PASS IT DOWN AND SHE'LL START TAL IT.
OH, YOU JUST, IT AS THE COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE YOUR NAME'S ON THE TOP.
AND JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER WILL BE RECUSING HERSELF IN VOTING ONE LESS PLACE BECAUSE HER HUSBAND, RICH PARKER IS BEING CONSIDERED.
AND THAT SHE WILL ALSO, WE WILL TAKE THIS BOARD SEPARATELY FROM THE FULL SLATE OF ALL BOARDS.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS SO THAT, SO THAT SHE CAN RECUSE HERSELF FROM THE FINAL SLATE.
AND THE NEXT ONE'S BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CIRCLE FIVE.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT FIVE.
ALL RIGHT, PASS THOSE DOWN PLEASE.
UH, CLARIFICATION IN CIRCLE, CIRCLE.
JUST GONNA DO THAT IN A MOTION.
UM, I, YOU, YOU, YOU DECIDE JUST PUT OUT THE SIDE.
IT'S
OH, ARE I JUST MINUTE? THANK YOU.
THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES WHICH.
DID YOU FOLD YOURS OR NO, JUST IT GETS, HUH? YOU'LL EARS IT BACK.
YOU WANT, THERE'S THREE FOLDED ONES.
WAIT, YOU GUYS ARE ALL SECRETIVE DOWN.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT YOUR CIRCLES.
SO EVERYBODY GETS, EVERYBODY SHOULD GET CIRCLED.
AND THEN YOU SHOULD WRITE JUST THAT I DIDN'T.
SEE WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LONG TIME ALLYING.
OH, I THOUGHT THERE'S SUPPLIES, OPENINGS.
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OKAY.YOU SURE LEAST GIVE IT'S OH, COOL.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE AN E HORSE.
SHE'S, SHE'S A WELL KNOWN WORLD.
PUT HER IN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE.
IS SHE A BUSINESS OWNER IN, WITHIN THE CITY? IF SHE'S A BUSINESS OWNER WITHIN THE CITY, YES.
OR A PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE CITY, BUT LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE.
THIS IS THE ETHICS COMMISSION.
OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE.
WHAT IS THIS? SEES COMMISSION.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ONLY WANT BE ON ONE TOO, BUT OH, I KNOW.
SAME THING YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR.
THIS IS, THERE'S ON ON, RIGHT.
JAMIE PARKS THE RECREATION CIRCLE ONE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING NOW, RIGHT? WE HAVE, THANK YOU.
IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ONE SHE WANTS.
THIS IS PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION.
WE'RE DOING I THINK CIRCLED OVER A WHOLE MUCH.
AND THIS IS PLANNING AND ZONE AND COMMISSION.
I LIKE I LOOKED THE FIRST THE BUSINESS
CAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS LIKE, IT WAS ALL THE SAME.
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I, ONE MORE.DEPUTY? PARDON? DEPUTY CITY SECRETARY.
I GUESS I SHOULDN'T BE ON CAMERA.
THAT'S WHY MY STARS IS COUNTING
SO DO YOU HAVE MACHINES THAT THOSE OF SO KIDS CAN, IT'S CRAZY.
UNLESS IT'S NOT, THEY'RE, THERE'RE TRYING TO GET ANYTHING.
IF I KEEP TRAILER OR SOMETHING GOING BY THAT, DO THAT.
I DON'T TRUST MY HUSBAND TO DRIVE IT.
ON THE SIDE OF THE BROOKLYN, I LOVE S OH, I WOULD LOVE TO.
SO YEAH, WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT
SO YOUR BALLOTS WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND YOU NEED TO MAKE IT ONE VOTE BETWEEN STEPHANIE RAND AND STEPHEN COOK.
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SO WE'VE TALLIED ALL THE VOTES AND WE'RE READY TO TAKE MOTIONS FOR THE SLATE.WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE ACTIVE ADULT SEPARATELY AND BECAUSE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BATTALION PARKERS, WERE ACCUSING HERSELF.
SO THE SLATE OF CANDIDATES BASED ON THE VOTES IS CAROL HUBBARD, KATHY BERNARDI, TERRY ANN BALDWIN, AND TRISHA SANDERS.
SO I'LL NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ARE YOU WRITING THIS? I DON'T.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY, SO HERE'S THE REMAINING OF THE SLATE.
SO WE HAVE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BENAUD, MAHA MAHA.
JOHN, I APOLOGIZE FOR BUTCHERING.
THAT IS NOW A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
GIL NER IS A FULL VOTING MEN MEMBER.
AND SCOTT COLLO IS MOVING TO ALTERNATE NUMBER ONE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT ABOUT ALTERNATE? UM, ALTERNATE TO A THERE IS, BUT THERE WERE ONLY THREE OF THE SEVEN, SO IT WAS A MAJORITY.
STEPHANIE RAND AND TREY SCHER.
STEPHEN COOK, PUBLIC ART COMMISSION.
I APOLOGIZE FOR BUTCHERING YOU.
STEPHANIE RAND AND STEVE KOWSKI, PARKS AND RECREATION.
STEVEN COOK PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
DON MAYHAN, JAMES OLIVER AND RON MAY AND THERE WERE NO APPLICANTS FOR TORSO.
WILL RE ADVERTISE THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL SPOTS FOR, UM, THE ART COMMISSION, ART AND CULTURAL COMMISSION.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND OF A SO MOVED SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO BOTH OF OUR CITY SECRETARIES FOR THAT.
CAN I ASK, CAN YOU EMAIL THOSE TO US? YES, CAN.
ITEM NUMBER 36 IS DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTUALLY RATIFYING THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS OF HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS AS EX-OFFICIO TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.
UM, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON SOME CLARIFICATION ON THOSE SENIORS FROM L A S D, SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE NO ACTION ON THAT.
[37. Discuss and consider action on the appointment/reappointment of a council liaison to the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board; Public Art Commission; Historic Preservation Commission; Active Adult Advisory Committee; and Economic Development Committee.]
ITEM 37, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE APPOINTMENT AND REAPPOINTMENT OF A COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD, PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION ACT, ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.[03:25:02]
UM, WHO WAS PRESENTING THIS? SO THIS CAME FROM A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER.IT'S COUNCIL DIRECTED THAT WE WERE ASKED TO POLL AND EVERYBODY THAT DIDN'T HAVE A COMMISSION, UH, COUNCIL LIAISON DESIRED TO HAVE ONE.
AND THEY ALL WISHED ONE BE APPOINTED AS THEIR COUNCIL COUNSEL LIAISON TO BE THERE FULL TIME.
I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT RETREAT.
AND WE WERE GOING TO MEET WITH THEM ALL RIGHT.
AND THAT WAS, AND THEN WE, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE CAN SCHEDULE AND DO, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO PUT IT ON THEIR NEXT COUNT, ON THEIR NEXT AGENDAS AND WE PLACED IT ON THEIR AGENDAS NEXT THEM.
SO ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WANTED TO LEAVE LIAISON? YES.
THESE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT, UM, CAN HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM ALREADY.
UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THE, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE PREVIOUSLY LPAC, UM, ALL HAD COMMISSIONERS, THEY'RE LISTED ON HERE TO DETERMINE AS REAPPOINTMENTS OR APPOINTMENTS THOUGH Y'ALL COULD MAKE DECISIONS.
SO I CUZ AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK TO THE DISCUSSION AT THE RETREAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT, WHAT WOULD YOU WANNA DO AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, JUST IN LIGHT OF CIRCUMSTANCES, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE THAT IF WE DECIDE THAT WE DO WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL LIAISONS, THAT WE ESTABLISH WHAT OUR ROLES ARE IN THOSE SEATS? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WERE, UM, OR SHOULD BE BACK ROW LISTENING THAT WE'RE NOT VOTING, WE'RE NOT INFLUENCING, WE'RE JUST REALLY THERE AS MORAL SUPPORT MORE THAN ANYTHING.
AND SO, UM, JUST SO THAT I, I GUESS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING A RESET ON A LOT OF THINGS.
AND SO I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO RESET OUR ROLES AS WE MOVE FORWARD HERE.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE THE CASE WHEN WE LEFT OUR RETREAT, THAT WHOEVER YOUR COUNCIL LIAISON IS THERE AS IN A SUPPORTIVE ROLE.
THEY DON'T GET A VOTE ON WHATEVER THE COMMISSIONERS ARE VOTING ON.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO THERE TO PROVIDE ANY UPDATES FROM COUNCIL REGARDING THEIR PARTICULAR COMMISSION OR BOARD OR WHATEVER IS GOING ON AT THAT TIME.
IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE RULE WAS.
AND YOU COULD STILL PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION, BUT YOU'RE NOT A VOTING MEMBER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN I FIRST STARTED THERE WAS THERE, THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY GUIDELINES.
AND I THINK IT CAN BE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY.
I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO VOTE, AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL THAT WE KNOW OF.
SO THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING ANYWHERE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE JUST SOME SOFT GUIDELINES FOR, UM RIGHT.
BUT I THINK TOO IN, IN PART OF THAT DEFINITION, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE COUNCIL LIAISON AND YOU HAVE THE STAFF LIAISON AND IT'S REALLY THE STAFF LIAISON THAT'S TAKEN EVERYTHING BACK TO THE CITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETIMES THERE'S A, UM, AND, AND THAT THE, AND REALLY FROM THE STAFF LIAISON IS THERE IN A SUPPORT IN MY MIND, WOULD BE THERE IN A SUPPORTIVE ROLE TOO, AND COULD HELP BRIDGE SOME GAPS AND SOME COMMUNICATION.
BUT THAT THE, THE ACTUAL BOARD IS WHO'S TAKEN ACTION AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE, AND HOW AND HOW THAT TRANSITIONED SO THAT JUST EVERY, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE ROLE AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED SO THAT THERE'S NOT, UM, ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT VOTES THAT ARE TAKEN AND THAT THAT MEANS ABSOLUTE ACTION AND THAT IT'S REALLY A JUST A UNANIMOUS OR A MAJORITY VOTE OF A SUGGESTION THAT ROLLS UP TO POSSIBLY STAFF TO CONSIDER OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I THINK THAT'D BE GOOD AND DONE IN A FORMAT THAT IT CAN BE GIVEN TO THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE I ALWAYS HAD A LOVE HATE RELATIONSHIP WHEN I WAS, UM, WHEN I WAS THE LIAISON BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND IT'S GREAT BEING IN THERE AND HEARING WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT AND BEING A PART OF IT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, EVERY TIME THE STAFF LIAISON SAYS NO, ALL THE HEADS TURNED TO YOU LIKE, WELL YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK HAVING SOMETHING THAT TELLS US OUR ROLE AND TELLS THEM LIKE, DON'T, DON'T LOOK TO US TO GET AROUND RULES.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR SURE.
SO, UM, THESE ARE FIVE COMMITTEES.
MAYOR, I'M SORRY MAYOR, I'LL JUST JUMP IN, CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT TOO.
UM, ONE OF THE VEHICLES AND, AND I DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH DARA BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS STAFF WANNA LOOK AT DOING, AND I'VE, I'VE SAT ON A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT,
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UM, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OVER, JUST OVER MY TIME HERE.UM, AND EACH BOARDING COMMISSION HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DYNAMIC AND THE, AND THE COMMISSIONERS, THE, THE GOALS THEY WANT TO SET, THE, THE IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE, HOW THEY SUBMIT THOSE, UM, HOW THEY ENGAGE AS A BOARD, UM, HOW THEY DECIDE ON WHAT ITEMS TO PUT ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK WE WOULD, UM, PROBABLY LOOK AT THE, UM, AND WE'RE OPEN TO COUNCIL'S INPUT ON THIS AS WELL, BUT LOOK AT COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE BOARD AND COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE ADD COMPONENTS TO THAT, THAT DEFINE A LITTLE BIT THE PARAMETERS OF THE COUNCIL LIAISON IN EACH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND BRING THOSE BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS EVEN AS SPECIFIC AS WOOD COUNCIL LIAISONS PUT ANYTHING ON THE BOARD AND COMMISSION AGENDA FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
OR IS THAT A STAFF LIAISON ROLE? OR IF, IF THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, WHEN DOES THAT ACTUALLY GO TO COUNCIL AND HOW OFTEN IS THAT? DO WE CREATE A SCHEDULE FOR THAT? IF YOU'VE GOT EVERY COMMISSION BEING 110% ENGAGED, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE WANT, HOW OFTEN DO WE WANT COUNSEL CONSIDERING THOSE IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE WOULD PROBABLY THINK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, BUT CREATE SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THEM AND, AND USE THOSE RULES OR PROCEDURE DOCUMENTS TO DEFINE THOSE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I THINK THOUGH IN THE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN UP HERE, UM, WE RARELY SEE SOMETHING COMING TO US FROM A COMMISSION.
AND WHEN IT DOES COME TO US, IT'S USUALLY VERY TIMELY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT CREATING RULES AROUND HOW OFTEN THEY CAN SEND US THINGS IS GOING TO WORK OUT VERY WELL.
WELL MAYBE, MAYBE NOT EVEN JUST SOMETHING WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT, UM, WE'VE, WE HAD ESTABLISHED SOME TIME BACK AND MAYBE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, A REGULAR SCHEDULE ON UPDATES MM-HMM.
SO, UM, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
BUT WITH THAT DIRECTION I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR COMMISSIONS.
I GUESS FOR ME IT'D BE MORE ABOUT THE, THE PROCESS OF HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN, RIGHT.
SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUMPING THE GUN.
THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT A COMMISSION SAYS, YES, WE VOTED ON THIS AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN, THAT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT, OKAY, WELL NOW THE STAFF LIAISON TAKES THAT AND, AND VETS IT OUT WHERE IT NEVER NEEDS TO BE VETTED.
AND IF IT ROLLS UP FROM THERE, IT ROLLS UP FROM THERE.
IF IT CAN'T HAPPEN, THEN THAT LIAISON IS BRINGING THAT MESSAGE BACK TO THAT COMMISSION AT A FUTURE MEETING.
BUT WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS, THAT WOULD BE MORE WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
NOT, AND NOT DELAYING ITEMS UNNECESSARILY, BUT, BUT SETTING EXPECTATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE ITEM OR THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE IDEA, WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING EVERY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, UM, MAYBE SETTING SOME EXPECTATIONS OUT, BUT WE'LL COME WITH SOME LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
AND AS FOR, UM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN AS THE LIAISON, YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY, MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A STANDING ITEM ON EVERY AGENDA FOR LIAISON UPDATE THE SAME WAY THE STAFF LIAISON TYPICALLY HAS AN UPDATE THAT THEY CAN GIVE.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW IN, IN MY TIME DOING IT, THERE WERE TIMES WHERE, OKAY, WE HAD HAD THIS PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMETHING AND I NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK AND ASKED AROUND, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT MM-HMM.
AND, AND I KNOW WE CAN SAY THINGS SOMETIMES, UM, THAT ARE UNPOPULAR AND NOT GET AS MUCH PUSHBACK AS STAFF DOES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN UPDATE.
AND, AND ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'VE COME ACROSS THIS WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY BOARD OVER, OVER TIME, UM, BOARD MEMBERS DISCUSS A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF TOPICS, UH, THEY COVER A LOT OF GROUND AND IT'S GOOD FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT.
BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO, TO JUSTIFY BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL, WE DO WANT THEM TO HAVE CLEAR ITEMS, UM, THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THE AGENDAS AND THEN CLEAR ITEMS THAT ARE TAKING ACTION ON THOSE SORT OF SOLIDIFY AND JUSTIFY US CARRYING THAT TO COUNCIL JUST LIKE WE DO WITH OUR COUNCIL AGENDAS.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A PRACTICE THAT WE'RE WORKING OR WILL BE TOO WITH OUR STAFF LIAISONS TO HELP FACILITATE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN BOARDS DO MEET THEY ARE TAKING ACTION, THEY ARE FOLLOWING, THEY'RE THEY'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
SO WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST, MIKE AND I, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HOLD OFF TO, WE GET SOME GUY AND HAVE ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WORK WITH US AND WE'LL DEVELOP KIND OF LIKE WE DID THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE AND WE'LL BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT AND Y'ALL'S RULES OF PROCEDURE AS WELL AS MEN BOARD AND COMMISSION RULES PROCEDURE.
AND THEN CAN ADOPT THAT AND THEN WE CAN DO ALL THE APPOINTMENTS AT THAT TIME.
EVERYBODY HAS AN UNDERSTANDING IF THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
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A QUESTION THOUGH.WHEN WE, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT RETREAT, IT WAS ABOUT, UM, NOT APPOINTING A COUNCIL LIAISON IF THEY DID NOT WANT ONE, BUT IT ALSO WASN'T FORCING PEOPLE ON COUNCIL WHO MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TIME RIGHT.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE'RE NOT SAYING BECAUSE THEY WANT A COUNCIL LIAISON THAT EVERY PERSON UP HERE HAS TO BE APPOINTED TO ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK THAT, UM, IN THOSE GUIDELINES, IF IT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, UM, NOT EVERY UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO TO A COMMITTEE.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PREFERENCE WHERE, UM, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT ON ONE.
UM, BUT BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS APPOINTED TO A SECOND ONE, IT HAS TO BE EXTENDED TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE.
CAN WE AGREE THAT THAT'S I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I THINK NOT EVERYBODY IS GONNA WANNA SIT ON IT, BUT I, I JUST WANT THE EQUITY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DETERMINE IN WHEN WE SET THOSE GUIDELINES TERMS FOR A REAPPOINTMENT, CUZ IN THE PAST, SOME OF THEM AT DIFFERENT TIMES HAVE SERVED TO, THEY WANTED TO QUIT SERVING AND SO THAT LIMITED SOME OTHERS, SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
AND IF NOBODY DESIRES, THEN YOU COULD ALWAYS CONTINUE TO SERVE OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'D BE, AND, AND, AND JUST KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THE, HOW YOU GET THAT INPUT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS, DARA CAN, UH, THEY CAN LOOK AT THESE EVEN ONES WITH EXISTING COUNCIL JUST EXPRESSING INTEREST HERE.
CAN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER EMAIL YOU WITH THEIR INTEREST? KIND OF WHAT WE ASK APPLICANTS TO DO? YES.
WELL, IN THE MEANTIME THEY CAN EMAIL ME AND WE'LL DEVELOP THE GUIDELINES AND BRING THEM BACK.
AND WE'LL HAVE THE INTEREST LIST THAT WE'LL BRING FORWARD AT THE TIME THAT WE GUIDELINES.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, AS A NON-ARTIST OR AS COMMISSION WAS NOT HORRIBLE
SO WHO'S INTERESTED IN BEING ON A SUBCOMMITTEE? I SAID I WOULD HELP, BUT I THOUGHT THEY CONVINCED IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER INTEREST? YOU FOUR INTERESTED? YOU SURE.
WE HAVE FOUR WE HAVE TO POST, RIGHT? WE HAVE THREE INTERESTED.
DO YOU WANT IT DOWN TO TWO OR, OKAY.
SO PRO THOMPSON, COUNCIL MEMBER PANION PARKER.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER MATT KELAN.
AND SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[38. Discuss the recording of board and commission meetings.]
38, DISCUSS THE RECORDING OF BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS.UM, SO LAST WEEK AT THE LPAC MEETING, IT STARTED, UM, BY BEING RECORDED BY A STAFF MEMBER, WHICH IS OKAY, EXCEPT THIS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
AND THIS APPARENTLY WAS, UH, A DECISION THAT CAME FROM STAFF UNILATERAL AND IT WAS DONE ON, UH, A STAFF CELL PHONE.
AND SO BEING THAT THIS IS NEW, UM, I WAS HOPING WE WOULD HAVE IT CLEARED UP BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY ANSWERS ABOUT IT YET.
UM, I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, WHAT IS BEING RECORDED, HOW WE'RE DOING IT, AND HOW WE'RE RETAINING THOSE RECORDS AND STAYING WITHIN THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD START WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THIS.
WELL, I'D ASKED PAIGE TO, UH, LOOK AT IT AND ALSO FOLLOWED UP WITH DORA.
AND SO PAIGE, PAIGE LOOKED AT AND TALKED TO STAFF AND, AND I KNOW MARK AND KELSEY ARE HERE, AND THE INTENT FROM EVERYTHING I'VE LOOKED AT WAS SIMPLY THIS.
THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MINUTES.
THEY TOLD THE GROUP THAT NOW, UH, I BELIEVE MARK HAD TALKED TO DORA.
DORA SAID, OKAY, YOU CAN DO THIS, THIS, OR THIS.
AND I DO THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IN A PERFECT WORLD, DO WE HAVE A CONSISTENT, DO WE DO IT CONSISTENTLY? AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE PAIGE WILL, I THINK IT'S BEST THAT SHE CHIME IN IN TERMS OF HOW DIFFERENT BOARDS OR COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, ARE SUBJECT TO TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SHE DID SEND SOMETHING LATER THIS AFTERNOON.
SHE WAS OUT OUT OF TOWN, UM, LAST WEEK.
BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, CAN I SHARE, I I WAS IN THAT MEETING, UM, WHEN IT AND CAN SPEAK TO, OF COURSE, CUZ UM, KELSEY WAS IN THAT MEETING AND STEVE WAS IN THAT MEETING OF HOW EVERYTHING
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HAPPENED.AND SO THE REAL CONCERN BECOMES, DO WE REALLY TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO BE CONSISTENT AND TRANSPARENT IN THE WAY THAT WE DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC AND MAKING SURE THAT THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO ME OR MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO STAFF BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS ALL THE TIME, BUT IT MAY BE A BIG DEAL TO THE PUBLIC JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS INCONSISTENT AND THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF WHAT IS YOUR TRUE INTENT OF DOING THAT.
UM, AND SO WHEN THAT RECORDING HAPPENED, THE CONCERN WAS THAT IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THAT MEETING.
NOW I HAVE SAT IN FOUR OF THOSE MEETINGS.
I HAVE SAT IN HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, UM, AND CLEARLY PLANNING AND ZONING IS RECORDED BECAUSE IT'S IN THIS ROOM.
UM, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION MEETING I WENT TO WAS ALSO IN THIS ROOM, BUT NOT RECORDED FOUR MINUTES OR ANY OTHER REASON.
UM, AND SO I GUESS THAT BECOMES MY QUESTION.
WHAT PRECIPITATED THE NEED ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY TO ALL OF A SUDDEN RECORD FOR MINUTES' SAKE WHEN IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN FOUR YEARS OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT FROM, UM, DIFFERENT COMMISSIONING BOARDS, THEY DO THEIR PROCESS DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED WAS NOT THAT MM-HMM.
SO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CONSISTENT PROCESS IS, I THINK WILL BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND EVEN IF DIRECTOR TUBS CAN SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY THAT WARRANTED, UH, THAT CHANGE ON THAT DAY BECAUSE THERE WAS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WAS AT THE MEETING AND SHE ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY THAT WOULD CAUSE THE BEHAVIOR TO BE DIFFERENT GOING FORWARD.
SO LET'S HEAR FROM THE SCIENCE FIRST.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE, UH, THE PURPOSE OF, I SPOKE WITH THE STAFF, SOME OF THE STAFF INVOLVED, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORDING WAS TO ASSIST WITH PREPARING MINUTES.
I THINK THAT BURDEN HAD BEEN, OR THAT, UM, DUTY HAD BEEN PLACED ON A BOARD MEMBER OR BOARD MEMBER HAD TAKEN UP THE, UH, VOLUNTEERED TO KEEP THE MINUTES AND THAT'S USUALLY THE STAFF LIAISON THAT WOULD HANDLE THAT.
AND SO THOSE DUTIES WERE GETTING TRANSFERRED.
AND SO THE RECORDING WAS DONE FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING ABLE TO KEEP ACCURATE MINUTES BECAUSE IT CAN BE CHALLENGING TO PAY ATTENTION AND PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING AND THEN KEEP THE WRITTEN MINUTES AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO THE RECORDING WAS DONE FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UM, KEEPING BEING ABLE TO THEN TRANSLATE THE MEETING INTO ACCURATE MINUTES FOR THE RECORD.
SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT.
THE, SO WE KNOW IF, I'M SORRY.
DO WE KNOW IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH MINUTES IN THE PAST? I'M NOT AWARE OF THERE BEING A, A PROBLEM WITH THE MINUTES.
IT WAS MORE OF THE HAVING THE STAFF LIAISON PREPARE THE MINUTES AS OPPOSED TO THE BOARD MEMBER JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT THE LIAISON CARRY ON THOSE DUTIES AS A BOARD AS OPPOSED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A STAFF FUNCTION.
UM, THE LPAC IS SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT BY ORDINANCE.
SO THE ORDINANCE SAYS LPAC, SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND MUST KEEP MINUTES OPEN MEETINGS ACT SAYS THAT MINUTES MUST BE KEPT EITHER BY RECORDING OR BY WRITTEN MINUTES.
AND SO THERE'S DISCRETION ON HOW TO DO THAT.
THERE'S RECORDS RETENTION LAWS THAT GOVERN HOW LONG YOU KEEP A RECORDING ONCE THE MINUTES ARE PREPARED.
AND THE CITY SECRETARY TERRY CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN.
UM, AND SO WITH RESPECT TO JUST COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, THOSE STEPS WOULD BE TAKEN IN ORDER TO KEEP MINUTES AND KEEP ACCURATE MID MINUTES AND, UM, COMPLY THE RECORDS, RETENTION LAWS.
I NOTICED IN THE ORDINANCES THAT IT'S NOT EXPLICIT ALWAYS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WITH THE ADVISORY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHICH ONES ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP MINUTES OR NOT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE SOME, JUST GETTING SOME CLARITY THERE.
I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE A PRACTICE OF, OF COMPLIANCE WITH OPEN MEETINGS ACT WITH MEETINGS BEING POSTED FOR ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
AND SO THAT MAY BE AN AREA WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN GIVE A BIT MORE STRUCTURE ON CONSISTENCY ON HOW THOSE ARE DONE JUST TO MATCH THE PRACTICE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE RED FLAG WAS, WAS THAT IT WAS SO INCONSISTENT WITH, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY, WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR SOME MEETINGS BEING RECORDED.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF, WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT RECORDING THEM.
WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE RETENTION OF THEM.
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I THINK THE CITY HAS RECORDING EQUIPMENT, SO IF WE WANNA RECORD THEM, MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THAT MEETING IS IS HELD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN AUDIO RECORDING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.UM, I THINK MR. TUBS WANTED TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
I'LL, I'LL JUST KNOW WHEN WE DID THE, I KNOW WHEN WE DID THE CHARTER COMMISSION MEETINGS, WE HAVE THOSE RECORDED BECAUSE KEEPING TRACK OF THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GOT EVERYTHING TRANSLATED CORRECTLY, HOW THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND SO THE COUNCIL COULD TAKE ACTION, THEN THE VOTERS COULD TAKE ACTION THAT WAS, UH, IMPORTANT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RECORDING AND WE'LL USE THOSE TABLETOP MICS.
UM, SPEAKING OF LAST WEEK, YES.
UM, I DID AUTHORIZE MS. HYDEN TO GO AHEAD AND RECORD FOR THE SIMPLE PURPOSE OF ACCURACY WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING WITH MRS. CRABTREE.
AND IT CAME DOWN THAT STAFF LIAISONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RE FOR PRODUCING THE MINUTES.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH, THE, THE CAPABILITY TO BE ABLE TO SIT THERE AND ACTIVELY ENGAGE WITHIN THE COMMITTEE, ACTIVELY DISCUSS AND ACTIVELY LISTEN AND WRITE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE AT THE SAME TIME.
I HAVE BEEN A PART OF RECORDING EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETING SINCE THE 1990S.
I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I GOT HERE AND BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS WEREN'T RECORDED.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT EFFECT, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS THE BEST.
I CALLED MS K CRABTREE PERSONALLY AND ASKED, IS IT OKAY TO DO THIS? SHE SAID, BY ALL MEANS, WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PURCHASE A RECORDING DEVICE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LATENESS OF THE DAY, WE WENT AHEAD AND USED OUR CELL PHONE.
IT'S STILL THE SAME RECORDING.
THERE'S NOTHING BEEN TAMPERED, THERE'S NOTHING BEEN ADJUSTED OR DONE.
AND SO SIMPLY AND EFFECTIVELY, IT WAS ACCURACY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CAPTURING EVERYTHING THAT WAS BEING DONE, THE INTENT, THE MOTIONS, THE VOTING PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE, WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT, THE FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, ALL THAT IS CAPTURED.
I HAD THE SAME, UH, SPENT THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION, UH, JUST TO THIS WEEK.
THEY GET, THEY'RE ON BOARDS, THEY'RE PART OF ACC, THEY'RE PART OF ROUND ROCK GOVERNMENT, THEY UNDERSTAND YOUR RECORDING IN THOSE BOARD MEETINGS.
THEY ALL REALLY APPRECIATED THAT THERE WAS NOT ONE OBJECTION TO RECORDING.
AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THE, OUR ACC REPRESENTATIVE, WHO WAS OVER A LIBRARY SYSTEM OF ACC ASKED TO HAVE THE RECORDING SENT TO HIM BECAUSE WE, WE GOT INTO A FREE EXCHANGE OF GREAT IDEAS.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN SIT THERE AND COPY.
I'M ALSO SERVED AS A SECRETARY FOR OPPORTUNITIES, WILLIAMSON COUNTY BURNETT.
I DON'T TAKE NOTES AS A SECRETARY.
THAT'S DONE BY OTHERS AND THROUGH RECORDINGS I SIGN OFF.
IT'S SIMPLY ACCURACY, OPEN, TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT ALLOWING THE FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS.
UM, AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY LEGAL WITHIN THE SAVE TEXAS.
SO I'D SEE IT BEING A POSITIVE FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THE INTENT.
AND THAT GOES, WE COULD EVEN GO BACK TO LPAC LAST WEEK WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, THIS ISSUE OF CHANGING NAME AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION DUE RESPECT.
I LISTENED TO BOTH RECORDINGS, LIBRARY AND LPAC, AND THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THE NAME AT LPAC AND WHAT TO CALL IT.
WHY VER WELL, I, I DON'T MANY TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THERE WASN'T MUCH.
IT WAS DONE VERY QUICKLY AND THERE WASN'T MUCH.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD CLARIFICATION.
I NEEDED CLARIFICATION TONIGHT ON LPAC TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE EVENTS WERE GONNA BE CHANGED.
AND SWITCHED AND MOVED COMPLETELY WITH MONEY.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT TONIGHT.
WHY WASN'T IT DONE DURING THE LPAC COMMITTEE MEETING? I THINK THE REASON YOU HAD TWO DIFFERENT REACTIONS TO THE RECORDINGS IS THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION ALWAYS HAS THE MINUTES DONE BY STAFF.
AND IN LPAC IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THERE IS A SECRETARY THAT IS ELECTED FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINT.
AND SO THAT SECRETARY WAS TOLD, YOU'RE NOT TAKING MINUTES.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN REACTION THERE.
UM, AND IT WAS JARRING TO ME TO HEAR THAT THIS JUST SUDDENLY HAPPENED.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS CONSISTENCY.
AND IF I AGREE STAFF IS GOING TO BE DOING THE MINUTES FOR LPAC, THEN WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE.
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ORDER WITH IT.AND THAT WAS REALLY THE GIST OF IT.
IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON LPAC AREN'T PROFESSIONALS AND AREN'T ON KNOW THE BOARDS.
AND DON'T UNDERSTAND RECORDING IN A PUBLIC PLACE.
IT WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A SECRETARY ON VOTED IN OR APPOINTED AS THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, FOR THE OTHER FOUR MEETINGS I HAD RECENTLY BEEN TO, SHE WAS THE ONE TAKING MINUTES.
SO THAT'S WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE MINUTES.
SOMEBODY ELSE STAFF HAS TO TAKE THEM.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT PRECIPITATED ON THAT DAY THAT WE'VE DECIDED THAT THE MINUTES HAVEN'T BEEN ACCURATE OR WE HAVEN'T BEEN GATHERING ALL THE MINUTES MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE ARE GONNA START RECORDING, BUT WE DON'T TAKE THE FEW SECONDS TO EMAIL THE CHAIR OR TO EMAIL THE STAFF LIAISON OR OR WHOEVER TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS THE CHANGE, THIS IS WHY IT'S HAPPENING, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WAS THE REACTION THAT YOU HEAR ON THE RECORDING FROM EVERYONE IN THAT ROOM.
AND WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY MANAGER, HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, WHICH ADDED TO THE CONFUSION BECAUSE THEN WE CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS FOR CONSISTENCY.
SO I THINK MY, WELL, I SHARED, I SHARED THE ACTUAL, UH, RELAYING OF INFORMATION THAT OCCURRED.
THE FACTUAL RELAYING OF INFORMATION AND, AND I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP TO FULLY LITIGATE IT.
MY INTENT IS IF WE ARE GOING TO BE RECORDING SOME MEETINGS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHICH MEETINGS WE'RE RECORDING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT AND HOW WE'RE RETAINING IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS RECORDING IS BEING DESTROYED AFTER 90 DAYS, WHICH, UH, I UNDERSTAND IS FINE UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT IF IT'S THE SECRETARY THAT'S DOING THE RECORDING.
BUT IN THE CASE OF LPAC, IT'S NOT MAYOR, CAN I JUST YEAH, ABSOLUTELY PLEASE.
SO REGARDING THE POSITION OF SECRETARY, THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THE SECRETARY IS THE ONE THAT PREPARES THE MINUTES.
THEY SIGN OFF ON THE MINUTES, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY PREPARE THE MINUTES.
THE REASON WE HAVE STAFF LIAISONS PREPARE MINUTES VERSUS BOARD MEMBERS IS WE DO ACTION MINUTES.
THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WITH THE MINUTES AND WE LIKE THEM TO BE CONSISTENT PER ACTION MINUTES.
THE IMPORTANT THINGS ARE THE MOTIONS, THE VOTES, WHO'S IN ATTENDANCE.
AND IF A DISCUSSION IS BEING HELD, NOT WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS, BUT THAT A DISCUSSION IS HELD, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO SNIPPETS OF BITS AND PIECES OF A DISCUSSION, THEN THAT YOU DON'T GET A FULL SENSE OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO CAPTURE EQUAL CONVERSATIONS EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD STAFF TO HAS ALWAYS IN EVERY PLACE.
I'VE BEEN PREPARED WITH BOARDS BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL OF ACTION MINUTES.
OTHER SECRETARIES THAT ARE APPOINTED ON BOARDS, THEY ROTATE OUT, THEY SERVE ONE YEAR, THEY MOVE ON TO ANOTHER POSITION.
STAFF IS CONTINUALLY THERE OR MOVES IN.
THEY KNOW THE PROTOCOL, THEY PREPARE AND THE BOARD MEMBER SIGNS OFF ON 'EM.
IF THERE IS A SECRETARY OF THE BOARD, B C R U A DOES THAT SAME WAY.
MONIQUE PREPARES THE MINUTES, BUT THERE IS A SECRETARY TO THE BOARD THAT THE SECRETARY TAKES ON B C R U A.
OTHER THINGS, CONTRACTS AND RESOLUTIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SECRETARIES HAVE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES AND BOARDS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST PREPARING THE MINUTES.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET CONSISTENCY.
I DID NOT REALIZE THAT ALL STAFF LIAISONS WERE NOT PREPARING IN THAT IT WAS A BOARD MEMBER PREPARING THERE.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON TO BRING IT BACK UNDER TO HAVE STAFF LIAISONS.
SO THERE IS CONSISTENCY AND CONTINUITY WITH ALL OF OUR MINUTES.
SO I THINK THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO CLARIFY FOR LPAC THAT WHAT THE ROLE OF THE SECRETARY IS.
BECAUSE IT'S, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS JUST BEEN TAKING THE MINUTES.
AND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO, UM, WHAT WE SAW EARLIER FROM BARRY DUNN AND THEIR BIG RECOMMENDATION, THE BIG TAKEAWAY IS COMMUNICATION.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION THAT CAUSED A LOT OF PANIC AND WORRY.
AND I LISTENED TO THAT AUDIO AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PANIC IN THE ROOM OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND, AND CONFUSION.
SO I THINK IF WE JUST COMMUNICATE THAT AND MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT THE OFFICER'S DUTIES ARE, UM, AND UH, PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE RECORDINGS HAPPEN ON A CITY DEVICE.
WELL, UM, AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M KIND OF JUMPING IN HERE TO AFFIRM THAT COMMUNICATION PROBABLY IS THE, THE CORE ISSUE THAT THAT STAFF NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ADDRESSING WITH EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT LED TO,
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UM, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WAS YOU HAD A LOT OF BIG CHANGES HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE AND WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE DRIVING HOME SOME CONSISTENCY HERE THAT LPAC, UH, ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING THE OUTLIER ON THE PERCEPTION AT THE TABLE IS, WELL THEN YOU GUYS ARE CHANGING EVERYTHING ON A DIME BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CHANGES.SO THERE WAS A PERCEPTION ISSUE THAT THAT KIND OF MUDDIED THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND, AND WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO IN, IN MAKING THAT MORE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
SO DRIVING THAT CONSISTENCY I THINK IS, IS A RESPONSIBILITY.
WE'RE TONIGHT WE'RE COMMITTING TO COUNCIL TO TAKE ON AND COMMUNICATING WITH EVERY SINGLE BOARD AND COMMISSION, DEFINING THE ROLES OF IF THERE'S OFFICER POSITIONS DESIGNATING WITHIN EACH ORDINANCE OF EACH BOARD COMMISSION DEFINING WHAT THOSE ROLES ARE.
JUST LIKE WE WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME RECOMMENDED PARAMETERS FOR DEFINING COUNCIL LIAISON, DEFINING THE, THE STAFF LIAISON ROLE AND COMMUNICATING WITH OUR STAFF LIAISONS, REAFFIRMING WHAT THAT ROLE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WILL HELP BRIDGE, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ANGST THAT, THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST PEC MEETING.
AND I'M SORRY THAT THAT HAPPENED.
AND WE, I WILL ALSO MEET WITH EVERYONE AT THE STAFF LIAISONS ONCE WE SET ALL THESE DEFINITIONS DOWN AND GET THEM AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
UM, AND CAN WE GET A CITY DEVICE FOR RECORDINGS? WELL, AND LET ME TOUCH ON THAT TOO.
I, I DON'T, UM, YES, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S A CITY PHONE, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE THE FUNDING AND THAT CABLE FUND FOR THAT SORT OF THING, DON'T WE? WELL, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO.
I I, I DON'T KNOW, CONSIDERING WHERE ALL THE BOARD COMMISSION MEETINGS TAKE PLACE IN DIFFERENT FACILITIES, UM, I DON'T THINK OUR INTENT IS TO, TO CHANGE FROM A, UH, OFFICIAL RECORD AS MINUTES TO OFFICIAL RECORD AS AN AUDIO RECORDING.
THAT ISN'T WHERE WE WANT TO TAKE THE POLICY.
I DON'T BELIEVE, UM, IF, IF WE WANNA STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT FOR THE ADVISORY BOARDS, AND I KNOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR COUNSEL AND FOR P AND Z AND FOR BOA, BECAUSE B, YOU P AND Z AND BOA ARE QUASI JUDICIAL.
IT'S OBVIOUS, OBVIOUS THAT COUNSEL WOULD BE RECORDED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
BUT OUR ADVISORY BOARDS, UM, THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF DIFFICULTY AND I THINK PLANNING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO US ATTEMPTING TO CREATE AUDIO RECORDINGS AT, AT A MINIMUM AUDIO RECORDINGS AS A, UH, AS A RECORD, AS A OFFICIAL RECORD IN LIEU OF ACTION MINUTES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT.
THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE CITY ARE THE SIGNED APPROVED MINUTES BY THE COMMISSION.
NOW, BEFORE WE STARTED RECORDING P AND Z, WE HAD A AUDIO RECORDINGS ONLY OF THAT.
AND REALLY WE STARTED DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE SAME ROOM.
THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO REPORT THEM IN THE SAME MANNER WE HAVE PER THE RECORD RETENTION SCHEDULE.
WE KEEP THEM 90 DAYS AFTER, AFTER THEY'RE APPROVED.
IT IS PUBLIC IF IT'S ASKED FOR IT'S PUBLIC, BUT THEY'RE NOT POSTED LIKE THE MINUTES.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT LIKE THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION, UM, THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT HAVEN'T OCCURRED.
AND SO IN THAT SCENARIO, WE'VE GOT A RECORDING ON SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL DEVICE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
BEFORE THOSE MINUTES GET APPROVED, I THINK WE COULD PURCHASE LOW RECORDERS.
I MEAN FROM LIKE OFFICE DEPOT, IF THE, IF THE CONCERN, IF THE CONCERN IS THE USING A CELL PHONE OR A CITY ISSUED CELL PHONE, WELL, AND HONESTLY I DON'T LIKE PUTTING THAT WE COULD, AND HONESTLY I DON'T LIKE PUTTING THAT ON STAFF.
YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS PHONE THAT YOU TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR KIDS WITH AND GO DO A CITY RECORDING, PLEASE.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO HOW WE TREAT CITY LAPTOPS.
IF YOU'RE CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS IN A REMOTE LOCATION, YOU KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT ON A CITY DEVICE.
SO THAT CAN BE MANAGED APPROPRIATELY.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE IF, IF STAFF LIAISONS FEEL THE NEED TO OBTAIN AND USE A RECORDING DEVICE FOR THE PURPOSES OF MINUTES, THEY'RE DOING THAT ON A CITY DEVICE.
UM, WE'VE USED SOME OTHER RECORDING SPECIFIC DEVICES FOR THINGS LIKE TRY TO REVIEW, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS SO COMPLICATED, WE WENT TO THE EXTRA MILE OF INCLUDING MICROPHONES BECAUSE THE, THE CONVERSATIONS WERE SO LONG AND, AND VERY DETAILED.
I DON'T SEE THAT, UM, BEING SOMETHING WE WOULD DO OTHER THAN THERE WOULD BE A DEVICE ON THE TABLE AND IT COULD BE A CITY DEVICE, BUT A DEVICE ON THE TABLE THAT ASSISTS WITH THAT.
SO WE COULD DEFINE SOME RULES AROUND THAT JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF TAKING MINUTES.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? I'M ALL FOR THE RECORDINGS.
JUST WANNA MAKE IT CONSISTENT.
SO IF IT'S BUYING SOME RECORDERS, I'M ALL FOR THAT.
SO, SO US SHOULD MAKE A COMMENT
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DOES, I MEAN IS CAN'T ANYONE COME INTO ANY MEETING AT ANY TIME AND RECORD THEM? UH, AND YES THEY CAN.AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR OBLIGATION TO COMMUNICATE TO THE STAFF LIAISONS, TO THE BOARD MEMBERS SAYING, LOOK, YOU GUYS ARE IN AN OPEN MEETING WHEN YOU MEET.
THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND, THE PUBLIC CAN USE THEIR OWN DEVICE.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE PUBLIC DEVICES THAT THEY RECORD.
YOU'VE SEEN REPORTERS COME IN AND, AND USE THEIR DEVICES.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE RECORDINGS WHEN WE DO IT.
IF WE HAVE DEVICES, IT, IT'S PROBABLY GOOD PRACTICE TO USE A CITY DEVICE FOR THAT PURPOSE, EVEN IF THE RECORDINGS ARE TEMPORARY.
UM, WE'LL STILL MAINTAIN THE, THE ACTION MINUTES, THE WRITTEN MINUTES AS OFFICIAL RECORD THAT WE WOULD POST PUBLICLY.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNICATION IS REMINDING, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS, THE STAFF, ANYONE THAT'S PRESENT OPEN MEETING, IT'S PUBLIC, IT CAN BE RECORDED AND REALLY ANY, ANY BOARD MEMBER COULD RECORD THE MEETING THEMSELVES.
AND THIS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT APPLYING ANYTHING TO ANYBODY ELSE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IF WE'RE DOING THIS, WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND PREDICTABLE.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH NOTING THAT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW THAT ANY, ANY MEETING CAN BE RECORDED.
I THINK THE, THE FEEDBACK IS, UM, IF, IF A STAFF MEMBER, AGAIN, THIS, THIS DEPENDS ON THE COMFORT LEVEL AND THE, THE CAPABILITIES OF THE STAFF LIAISON.
IF, IF THEY NEED IT TO USE A RECORDING DEVICE TO TAKE MINUTES, THEY DO IT ON A CITY DEVICE.
THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AWARE THAT, THAT IT'S HAPPENING AND THEY KNOW THE PURPOSE AND THE NEED FOR IT.
THEY'RE ALSO AWARE THAT IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING THAT EVEN WITHOUT A DEVICE, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND ACTIONS AND OPINIONS CAN BE RECORDED.
SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH DOING THAT, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM, ONE FINAL THING THAT, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CONSISTENCY.
LIKE MR. NEW SAID, IF THE STAFF LIAISON DESIRES TO RECORD NEEDS THE RECORDING FOR A COMFORT LEVEL, NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO RECORD.
I DO MANY BOARD MEETINGS LIKE HPC AND DIFFERENT ONES.
I DON'T RECORD THEM, BUT I DO NEED THE COMFORT LEVEL WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW.
AND IN MY ABSENCE, MY, UH, MS. PBURG MAY FEEL THE NEED TO RECORD.
SO IS THAT, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT OR ARE YOU DESIRING IT TO BE, WHAT I WAS HEARING FROM MR. THOMAS IS HE WANTS EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER PARKS TO BE RECORDED.
WAS THAT ACCURATE? THAT THAT'S HIS DECISION WITH HIS BOARDS, BUT THE BOARDS, SO NOT THE LIAISON SPECIFICALLY, BUT YEAH, HIS, I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE OF THE BOARDS I DO THAT I DON'T TYPICALLY RECORD AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS OF THE COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE.
YEAH, I'LL FINE WITH IT IF Y'ALL ARE FINE WITH IT, JUST, YEAH.
AND MY IN THAT REGARD WILL SIMPLY BE TO RECOMMEND SOME DEVICES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
[39. Council Member Future Agenda Items [Any deliberation of or decision about the subject of the inquiry shall be limited to a proposal to place the subject on the agenda for a subsequent meeting.]]
39, COUNCIL MEMBER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANY DELIBERATION OF OR DECISION ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE INQUIRY SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE SUBJECT ON THE AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.COUNSEL, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, I DO.
UM, THE BARRY DUNN RECOMMENDATION EARLIER WAS, UM, TO MAKE THE CITY WEBSITE, UH, A LITTLE MORE CLEAR FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HEARD HOW THAT UPDATE WAS GOING.
SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE ON THE NEXT AGENDA WE COULD GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CITY WEBSITE.
AND THEN, UM, TWO MEMBERS OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS REACHED OUT, UH, LAST WEEK AND HAD CONCERNS WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT WHO HAD COME IN EARLIER TONIGHT.
HE HAD MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE FEES THAT HE PAID TO GET IN FRONT OF THEM AND HOW HIGH IT WAS.
AND UM, AND THAT STRUCK TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE VERY OPPOSITE IN VOTING, WHO BOTH REACHED OUT TO ME SEPARATELY AND WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FEES TO GET THERE AND IF WE WERE IN LINE WITH OTHER CITIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM UNLESS Y'ALL WANT IT TO BE, IT MIGHT JUST BE AN INFORMATION ITEM.
I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THOSE FEES ARE AND IF WE MATCH UP WITH OTHER CITIES AND, UM, SHOULD PROBABLY GET WHEN IT'S A SINGLE RESIDENT, IF THEY, WE, WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT OVER LIKE AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING TO US.
DO YOU THINK, BUT IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OR WAIT FOR AN EMAIL AND THEN HAVE IT DEPENDS ON THE EMAIL.
IT'S GO AND SAY WE COULD SEND AN EMAIL THEN IF YOU DESIRE FOR IT TO BE PLACED ON AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, THEN YOU CAN REQUEST IT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WHEN THERE'S A FEW EXTRA MINUTES OF STAFF TIME PLEASE.
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UH, OKAY.AND THEN PRETEND YOU HAVE ONE.
YEAH, I WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET A UPDATE ON KAPPA METRO.
LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS RIGHT AFTER THE VOTE AND I GUESS THEY HAD HAD A BUNCH OF STAFF TURNOVER AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, DISCUSSING WITH THEM EXTENDING OUR RADIUS FOR THE SMALL VAN PICKUP OR WHATEVER, THE PICKUP SERVICE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, UM, AND FIGURING THAT OUT.
BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD AN UPDATE, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET AN UPDATE ON THAT.
WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD MEETINGS LIKE A WEEK AGO ON IT, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, HOPEFULLY AN UPDATE WILL BE COMING SOON, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH THAT.
SURE THERE'S NOT
TIM, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT BEING AN UPDATE ONCE THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AND UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS CAN BRING THEM FORWARD? YES.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS ON A FUTURE AGENDA?
[40. Council Member Closing Statements.]
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE INTO COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS.I JUST THANK YOU TO ALL THE PAST, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT HAVE SERVED.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND UM, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT APPLIED AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PEOPLE THAT GOT APPOINTED TONIGHT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
HOPE EVERYONE HAS A HAPPY HALLOWEEN.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EVENTS AROUND LEANDER, TEXAS PUMPKIN FEST.
I BELIEVE GLEN HIGH SCHOOL HAS AN EVENT, SO CHECK OUT, I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CENTRAL PLACE FOR EVENTS, BUT, UM, REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON EVENTS FOR HALLOWEEN.
WANNA DO WISH EVERYBODY HAPPY HALLOWEEN.
TWO AND I'LL ALSO WILL NOT BE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SO, UM, I'LL SEE Y'ALL AGAIN AT THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAFF, EVERYBODY TONIGHT.
I KNOW THIS WAS A LITTLE BRUTAL AT TIMES.
UM, IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP OUR TAX DOLLARS LOCAL DINNER BEFORE EVERY COUNCIL MEETING FOR COUNCIL AND STAFF IS FROM A DIFFERENT LOCAL RESTAURANT.
SO TONIGHT WE ARE THINKING CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS LOCALLY OPERATED, UM, IN NICE LITTLE FRANCHISE.
UM, ALSO I WANTED TO POINT OUT WE HAD, UM, A GREAT PROCLAMATION EARLIER FOR BREAST CANCER AWARENESS.
OCTOBER IS ALSO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS AND ONE IN FOUR WOMEN AND ONE IN SEVEN MEN ARE IN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PARTNERSHIP AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE.
SO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR FRIENDS, WATCH FOR SIGNS OF THEM BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR FRIENDS OR FAMILY, PEOPLE BEING CONTROLLING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IF YOU ARE IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP, IF YOU ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND IT THIS LONG, YOU ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO GET OUT.
[41. Executive Session pursuant to: (1) Section 551.072, Texas Government Code to deliberate the acquisition of real property and approve a Letter of Intent for acquisition of real property for public facilities; and (2) Section 551.087, Texas Government Code to deliberate proposed economic development incentives for one or more business prospects that the governmental body seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting economic development negotiations related to the following project(s): Project Fulcrum and Project Sky Lane. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding: (1) acquisition of real property and approve a Letter of Intent for acquisition of real property for public facilities; and (2) Project Sky Lane.]
WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 41.AT THIS TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 11:26 PM PURSUANT TO ONE SECTION 5 5, 1 0.072, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY AND APPROVE A LETTER OF INTENT FOR ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES.
AND TWO, SECTION 5 5 1 0.087, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY, OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY, AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATED TO THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS, PROJECT FULCRUM AND PROJECT SKYLINE.
THE CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION AT 12:16 AM TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING ONE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY AND APPROVE A LETTER OF IN TIME FOR ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES.
MAYOR PROTE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO.
AND TWO PROJECT SKYLINE SKY LANE.
MAYOR PROTE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RELATED TO PROJECT SKYLINE AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? SECOND MOTION, AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNSEL IS ADJOURNED AT 12:16 AM.