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TODAY IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2022.
[1. Open Meeting.]
AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL.UH, I GUESS THIS IS WHERE WE NEED PZ.
JUST SWEAR IN, OR WOULD IT BE AFTER OUR ROLL CALL? I'LL CALL THE ROLL AND THEN YOU'LL SWEAR IN.
[2. Roll Call.]
SECRETARY CRORE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROSS? COUNCIL MEMBER CATHERINE BATTALION.COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD.
PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS SENIC.
[3. Oath of Office Planning and Zoning Commissioner, Place 5.]
NUMBER THREE, OATH OF OFFICE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.WILL YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? UH, REPEAT AFTER ME.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR AFFIRM THE I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES.
I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF THE CITY, OF LEANDER, OF THE OFFICE, OF THE CITY OF LEANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PLACE.
FIVE, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
PLACE FIVE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND WILL THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.
[4. Joint discussion with Planning and Zoning Commission regarding comprehensive plan and future plans for the City with regards to water and development.]
INTO ITEM FOUR, JOINT DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE PLANS FOR THE CITY WITH REGARDS TO WATER AND DEVELOPMENT.MAYOR, WILL YOU PLEASE CONFIRM QUORUMS PRESENT? YES.
UM, THIS TIME IS 6 0 2 AND THE LEANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, IS CONVENING ABOUT THE, TO REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHAIRMAN COST GROWTH.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO ITEM FIVE.
UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING AND HOW THE COMMISSION WORKS TOGETHER.
UM, VICE CHAIR, MAN, DID YOU WANNA START WITH ANY CONCERNS OR THOUGHTS? OH, WOW.
WELL, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES Y'ALL SEND THINGS TO US AND THEN WE HAVE COMMENTS AND MAYBE, UM, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
SO I THOUGHT YOUR CONCERNS ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE PRESCIENT.
UH, ACTUALLY, UH, CHAIRMAN COSGROVE SENT ME HIS POINTS AS WELL, SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH HIM SINCE YOU KNOW, HE'S THE TOP OF THE RUN AND IT'S ONLY APROPO.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM ON THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WEEKS AGO AROUND LIMITING THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO HIS, HIS POINTS ARE, AND IT'S STRAIGHT FROM HIM, SO, UH, ADDRESSING WATER USAGE IS TO BE COMMENDED.
HE SAID THE PLAN AMENDMENT, HOWEVER, DOES LITTLE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.
UH, SCAPEGOATING MULTIFAMILY AS THE DEMOTED WATER USER IS NOT ONLY INACCURATE, BUT IS BASED ON FALSE LOGIC.
50 APARTMENT UNITS USE LESS WATER THAN 50 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THE APARTMENT WATER USERS SIMPLY SHOWER, FLUSH THE TOILET, AND DO THE DISHES.
SORRY, I'M READING WORD FOR WORD.
UM, THERE'S A REASON THAT OUR LARGEST RESIDENTIAL WATER USERS ARE ON A LARGE SINGLE FAMILY.
WE SHOULDN'T BEHIND THEM BEHIND WATER.
IF WE JUST WANT TO LIMIT APARTMENTS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, JUST SAY IT.
IF IF YOUR GOAL ISN'T TO LIMIT APARTMENTS, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME HARD QUESTIONS ASKED OF WHOMEVER PUSHED THE IDEA OF LIMITING HIGH DENSITY WOULD LIMIT WATER USE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE AMENDMENT WILL EFFECTIVELY KILL MIXED USE AND CONDEMN CITY TO A PERMANENT BEDROOM COMMUNITY BECAUSE A DEVELOPER CANNOT GET THE DENSITY THEY WANT TO MAKE MIXED USE WORK.
THE IDEA THAT THE AMENDMENT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THE DEVELOPER FROM ASKING FOR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS, IS AN UTTER FAIRY TALE TALE.
NO DEVELOPER WILL MAKE TIME OR FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS REQUIRED TO BRING A PLAN TO THE TABLE ON MAYBE IF WE GENERALLY WANT TO REDUCE WATER USE.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE CAN DO TO INCENTIVIZE WATER SAVING MEASURES, PURPLE PIPE, RAIN BARREL, REDUCE FLOW, INSERTS THE NAME A FEW THAT COULD WORK WITH A LAUDABLE STOCK, OR SORRY, A LAUDABLE STICK OF TIERED PRICING.
THE FACT THAT THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND PROPOSED SOLUTION IS NO SOLUTION AT ALL, CREATES FAR MORE QUESTION AND ISSUES THAN, THAN ANSWERED AND ADDRESS.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION AND THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE COMMITTED TO FOR LOOKING AT IT, BUT IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
UM, I, I HAVE SIMILAR FEELINGS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UH, I KNOW THAT, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A WATER PROBLEM, RIGHT? AND THAT'S GONNA PERPETUATE FROM ALL THE BRIEFINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN AND, AND WE'VE HEARD.
AND, UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS WORK OFF A DIFFERENT SET OF INFORMATION THAN WE DO.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S FAIR TO KNOW THAT
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YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON A DIFFERENT SET, BUT, UM, I I ATTRIBUTE IT TO WE HAVE SEVERAL BALLS THAT ARE JUGGLING IN THE AIR AT THE SAME TIME.AND IF WE FOCUS JUST ON ONE, OTHERS ARE GONNA DROP.
NOT THAT THIS ONE'S NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS UP, BUT THERE ARE OTHER IMPORTANT ONES AS WELL.
I THINK THAT, UH, LIMITING OR OR SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THAT TO ZERO DOES EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER CORO WAS SAYING, THAT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE DEVELOPERS TO NOT WANT TO SPEND THE TIME AND THE ENERGY AND THE RESOURCES AND TO PUTTING PLANS TOGETHER TO BUILD LARGE DEVELOPMENTS.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SMALL, I'VE GOT A FEW ACRES HERE OR THERE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT 30, 40 HUNDREDS OF ACRES.
WE DO HAVE SOME LARGE, UH, LANDOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS HERE IN LEANDER.
AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO INCENTIVIZE FOLKS COMING IN WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THE PROJECTS USING VERTICAL MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES IS A WAY OF A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THEM.
SO IT ALLOWS THEM TO, UH, FUND THEIR PROJECTS ALTOGETHER.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE IS RIGHT, THAT IF WE, IF WE PUT THIS IN PLACE, UM, AS, AS IT WAS WRITTEN AND SAID, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS SAID THAT YOU WERE GONNA HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AROUND IT, UH, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL, AND THE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.
I DO THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO DISINCENTIVIZE SOME OF OUR LARGER DEVELOPERS FROM COMING HERE TO LEANDER.
AND WHEN WE GET PASSED UP FOR LIBERTY HILL FOR BIG BOX STORAGE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE NOT COMING TO LEANDER.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ON THAT TOPIC ITSELF.
THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND HEAR MORE OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I FELT TORN ABOUT THAT ONE BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT TO I C S C, THE, THE BIG RETAIL CONFERENCE EARLIER THIS YEAR, EVERY SERIOUS DEVELOPER WE MET WITH WANTED TO HAVE A MIXED USE COMPONENT TO ANYTHING THEY WERE LOOKING TO BUILD.
UM, AND THAT WAS ALL THE BIG BOX RETAILERS.
UM, I MEAN, EVEN GROCERY STORES NOW ARE APPROACHING US AND TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE, BUT I THINK THAT THE AMENDMENT DOESN'T SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
IT SAYS WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS NOT, IT ALMOST SAYS YOU HAVE TO MAKE A GOOD CASE FOR IT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING.
UM, FOR SURE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY SIDES TO BE WEIGHED ON IT.
UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR OUR CITY MANAGER AND MS. GRIFFIN AND MR. NEW TO COME UP? BECAUSE I THINK Y'ALL ARE A VITAL PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH IT UP HERE, BUT Y'ALL DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY.
MAY I APPROACH THE IMAGE? YOU ABSOLUTELY.
SO WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE LUMPS WITH ME? ROBIN, YOUR SMILE PROBABLY CAN DEFLECT IT.
UM, SO, AND DAN, DAN IS HERE AS WELL, AND MIKE WILL KEEP MY COMEDY TO A MINIMUM HERE.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE PROPOSE IT NOT, GO AHEAD.
IF YOU WANNA BLAME SOMEBODY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TIP THE SPEAR ON THIS.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OVER 12,000 UNITS ENTITLED WITH THE MATH, THE WAY IT WORKS OUT, IF ALL OF THOSE ALREADY ENTITLED UNITS, MEANING IT'S ZONED OR IT'S IN, UM, IT'S IN PROCESS, IT'S ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION.
SO VARIOUS STAGES OR NO, NO DIRT TURNING.
BUT IF ALL OF THOSE WERE TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER THE FIVE YEARS, IT'LL TAKE US TO DO THE DEEP WATER INTAKE PROJECT, YOU WILL HIT A MORATORIUM ACROSS THE BOARD.
MY GUESS IS IF EVERYTHING RUNS THROUGH THE DOOR, WE COULD HIT ONE WITHIN 18 MONTHS AND THAT WILL AFFECT EVERYTHING.
SO THE SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY WILL BE IF YOU ADD MORE TO THAT NUMBER.
SO IF IT BECOMES 15,000 ENTITLED, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MULTI-FAMILY, IT'S A MATTER OF CONNECTIONS.
I DID MENTION THIS IN THE INITIAL PRESENTATION, YES, YOUR HIGHER DENSITY IS MORE EFFICIENT PER CONNECTION.
IT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS.
SO IN TERMS OF BIG BOX AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S A VARIETY OF FACTORS THAT WILL AFFECT THAT.
AND YES, IN THE DIFFERENT LIFE, I ALSO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND ALSO ANOTHER PLACE OVER SOFTWARE B CORP.
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SITE SELECTORS, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST WHAT'S WITHIN YOUR FOOTPRINT.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT CAPTURE AREAS WITHIN, SO LET'S TAKE A GROCERY STORE'S GONNA HAVE X NUMBER OF MILES, MAYBE 10 MILES, 15 MILES OF A CONCENTRIC CIRCLE.
YOU GO TO A CABELLA'S OR BASS PRO AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 30 MILES, 40 MILES, 50 MILES EVEN.
RIGHT NOW TO OUR SOUTH, WE HAVE SERIOUS EDGE SATURATION WITH CEDAR PARK
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SERIOUS.WE ALSO HAVE THE KIND OF, THE PROBLEM TO OUR IMMEDIATE WEST IS THE TOPOGRAPHY.
SO BEYOND GRAND MESA AND TRUVISO, THERE'S LIMITED LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I HATE TO USE OTHER PLACES, BUT TWO OTHER PLACES I'VE BEEN HAD HAD WATER NEXT TO YOU.
AND WHEN YOU DRAW THOSE CIRCLES, THEY IMMEDIATELY DIDN'T MATTER IF, IF YOUR DENSITY WAS THERE, CERTAIN PRODUCTS WOULDN'T GO.
SO I THINK OUR, OUR BIG CHALLENGE IS, IS ALSO THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE IS PUSHED UP THE PRICE OF DIRT.
AND WE HAVE HAD THIS FEEDBACK FROM MANY THAT ARE LOOKING FOR, FOR DIRT, FOR RETAIL OR FOR MAJOR EMPLOYERS SUCH AS, UH, CLASS A INDUSTRIAL SPACE.
THE, WITH THE PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING GOING UP AS FAST AS IT COULD.
MANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HOLDING OUT FOR RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY THEY'LL MAKE MER MORE PER ACRE.
SO WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE WHERE WE HAVE HAD COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OR COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTIES WITHIN THE COMP PLAN OR WITHIN THE ZONING PLAN WHERE THE REQUEST HAS COME IN TO, TO FLIP 'EM THE RESIDENTIAL OR TO QUOTE UNQUOTE MIXED USE.
NOW, LET'S USE EXAMPLES OF WHAT IS MIXED USE SUGARLAND TOWN CENTER.
IT'S VERY DENSE, IT'S GOT PRIMARY JOBS.
IT'S GOT A HOTEL CONVENTION CENTER, IT'S GOT MINUTE MADE IN IT.
IT'S GOT METHODIST HOSPITAL, IT'S GOT EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S GOT THIS, IT'S GOT THEIR CITY HALL.
YOU KNOW WHAT IT, WHAT IT HAS, IT'S GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S IT.
SO THERE ARE PLENTY OF EXAMPLES OF MIXED USE WHERE IT'S VERY DENSE AND VERY SUCCESSFUL AND VERY PROFITABLE FOR THOSE CITIES AND THOSE COMMUNITIES.
BUT WHAT THEY USUALLY AREN'T IS MAJORITY RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT 80% RESIDENTIAL THAN 20% COMMERCIAL.
AND I THINK THAT IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SELL THAT CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET GOOD THINGS.
IF WE GO TO THE POINT THAT WE RUN OUT OF WATER BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE JUST DONE RESIDENTIAL, THE SELF-FULFILLING PIECE WILL, YES, WE WON'T GET BIG BOX, WE WON'T GET A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE IF WE GO TO A FULL MO MORATORIUM AT SOME POINT BEFORE THE DEEP WATER INTAKE IS COMPLETE, UNFORTUNATELY THAT WILL CUT ACROSS ALL USES.
WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF UH, PAGE IS HERE, BUT IF WE GO TO A MORATORIUM, A MORATORIUM IS JUST THAT NO CONNECTIONS AND IT'S, BUT EDGE SATURATION, AGAIN, THOSE ARE OTHER ISSUES.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WE WILL GET THAT OTHERS DON'T HAVE THAT MAY BE THEIR COMPETITORS.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE OF THINGS ON OUR PERIPHERY IN CEDAR PARK, YES, MAYBE WITH A FOUR B, IF WE HAD A FOUR B CORP MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE THAT DELTA.
BUT SOME THINGS ARE ALSO GOING TO POTENTIALLY GO TO OUR NORTH OR TO OUR EAST.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT IS JUST HOW THE MATH WORKS OUT.
WHEN YOU DRAW THOSE CONCENTRIC CIRCLES, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR DISTANCE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR COMPETITION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR POPULATION.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT, WE CAN, WE CAN DELVE INTO THE DETAILS.
AND UH, THE, THE OTHER PIECE IS JUST FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE CITY.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 12% COMMERCIAL.
OUR COMP PLAN IS OF WHAT? 18, IT'S NOT EVEN 20.
RIGHT? THAT IS NOT THE IDEAL SPLIT.
I MEAN IN A PERFECT WORLD, ONCE YOU'RE BUILT, 70 30 IS PROBABLY IN TERMS OF YOUR O AND M, YOUR ROADS, YOUR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE COMMERCIAL TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD ROADS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WHICH IS, IS VERY TOP HEAVY RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF ANYTHING IN THE NEXT COMP PLAN, RE-LOOKING AT THAT TO SEE IF IT'S NOT FURTHER OUTTA BALANCE BASED ON OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT, OUR ESTIMATION IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN YEARS THAT OUR RESIDENTIAL HAS RUN OUT AHEAD OF OUR COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.
OUR PER CAPITA SALES TAX RECOVERY.
WE RANK 5 73 I THINK OUT OF 700.
AND ROBERT WILL CORRECT ME BECAUSE HE'S MUCH SMARTER THAN I'LL EVER BE.
AND HE WENT TO HARVARD FOR ONE OF HIS DEGREE.
HE'LL KILL ME FOR SAYING THAT.
UM, BUT WE ONLY CAPTURE ABOUT $133 PER CAPITA BY COMPARISON.
IF YOU LOOK AT IN MUCH MORE MATURE CITIES, THEY DIDN'T GROW AS FAST.
SO THAT WAS ALSO THEIR ADVANTAGE.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT A ROUND ROCKY LOOK AT A GEORGETOWN, IT'S CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, 350, $400 PER CAPITA.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL ADDING PEOPLE.
WE'RE NOT ADDING CASH REGISTERS AT THE SAME RATE.
I SUSPECT THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY GOING
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DOWN SOME RIGHT NOW.IF THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE IS STILL BLOWING AND GOING AND IF THERE IS SOME SLOWING ON THE, UH, DISCRETIONARY SPENDING, IF THAT SLOWS DOWN ANY OF THE RETAILERS FROM COMING A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, THEN THAT GAP IS GONNA GET EVEN WORSE.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU ADD MORE PEOPLE FASTER, YOU, THAT RATIO WILL BECOME ALMOST UNSUSTAINABLE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST A MESSENGER.
I KNOW THE MESSENGERS ALWAYS WANNA GET SHOT, BUT UM, IT WAS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO RAISE THE RED FLAG ON BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT HARD LINE WHERE EVERYONE'S GONNA ASK, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING SOONER? BECAUSE NOW WE CAN'T GET THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, UM, WHEN YOU HIT 50,000, 80,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
AND I THINK IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
UM, CUZ YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T WANNA GET TO THAT MORATORIUM.
UM, DID Y'ALL HAVE OTHER IDEAS FOR SLOWING THINGS DOWN OR WAS IT JUST MORE OF A I UNHAPPINESS? SO, SO, AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT MY IDEA, BUT THE GENTLEMAN, UH, ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS WHO SPOKE WITH, WHEN YOU GUYS HAD THAT THAT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO STOP OR DENY A PLAN AS IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU PUT OUT AN INFORMATION LIKE THIS THAT'S NOT GONNA SLOW IT DOWN, THAT'S GONNA STOP IT FROM EVEN COMING IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE DANGER THAT WE HAVE.
CUZ I'VE BEEN ON P AND Z FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND UM, YOU KNOW, RAM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE ONLY MULTIFAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE APPROVED SINCE I'VE BEEN ON P AND Z THAT I THINK THAT IS EVEN MOVING IS THE STATION.
UH, I MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE IS MOVING ALONG, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY TYPE OF UPPER MOBILITY CUZ WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF, UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW MULTIFAMILY COME THROUGH CLEARING OUT OVER THERE BY CRYSTAL FALLS IN 180 3 A, UH, THAT WHAT CAME THROUGH REALLY FOR THE ROAD, NOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
SO THERE'S A TRAIL, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LEAD TIME AND, AND A TRAIL.
SOME, SOME OF THE LARGER ARE GONNA MOVE IN FASTER THAN OTHERS BEFORE THINGS HAPPEN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA PROVE SOMETHING TODAY.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING TOMORROW.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT FEEDER PATTERN AND GOING IN SO THAT WE HAVE THIS PIPELINE OF DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS WE, THE 12,500 IS THAT FEEDER AND YOU MENTIONED THE CHAIRED WATER RATES.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, WE'VE DONE THE RATE STUDY, UM, WE'VE DONE THE IMPACT FEE STUDY AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
AND ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE TICKING RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOTTA BE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO THEM BEING INEFFECTIVE.
IT'S A SIX MONTH DELAY FROM WHEN Y'ALL ADOPTED THE, UH, RESOLUTION.
BUT WE'VE, WE'RE NOT TAKING A A SINGLE TOOL, UH, HAMMER OUT OF THE TOOLBOX.
WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING IN THAT TOOLBOX TO KEEP THE CITY SUSTAINABLE.
AND THERE'S THAT FINANCIAL PIECE TO IT THAT AGAIN, WE ARE MEMBERS OF CAPITAL METRO.
WE DO NOT HAVE A FOUR B CORPORATION, UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE IMPACT FEES FOR ROADS IN PLACE.
WE DON'T HAVE A A WE DON'T HAVE A WAR CHEST OF FUNDS AND WE DO HAVE THINGS.
I THINK JUST THIS WEEK OUR CREWS WERE, SO THERE YOU HAVE YOUR PI IN OAK CREEK, EVERYTHING'S NEW IN OAK CREEK.
THEY WERE MAKING SAW CUTS ON THAT SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE AND THEY'RE REPLACING PANELS RIGHT THERE IN THAT PI.
SO THAT'S O AND M THAT WE EAT.
AND THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO ROADS THAT ARE 30 YEARS OLD OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS.
SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME FROM GENERAL FUND AND EVERYTHING LIKE IT.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS.
UH, IDEALLY IT'S GONNA LAST 30 TO 40 YEARS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, C I P RESOURCE RIGHT NOW UNTIL THAT FUND BUILDS AND I'M SORRY, SAY ONE MORE THING.
UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE WEIRD FOR COUNCILMAN ROSS, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ROSS TO HEAR ME KIND OF TALK ABOUT, UH, HIGH DENSITY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY AGAINST IT.
I'VE NEVER BEEN COMPLETELY AGAINST HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IT DOES HAVE ITS PLACE WITHIN THE CITY, BUT YOU ASK KIND OF SOME SUGGESTIONS INSTEAD OF KIND OF LIMITING MULTIUSE DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE, MAYBE, UM, LIMITED TO VERTICAL, I SORRY, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE LIMITED IT TO VERTICAL MIXED USE THAT WAY WE DO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT THAT'S BEING BUILT OUT ALONG WITH THE, UH, HIGHER DENSITY ALONG WITH IT.
WELL I THINK WE GOT RID OF HORIZONTAL MIXED USE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
AND AND THE THE OTHER PIECE I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, DONNIE, WE, WE HAVE NOT TARGETED, UH, APARTMENTS OR HIGH DENSITY, RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU ADD ANY CONNECTIONS, BE IT A SINGLE FAMILY, HOME APARTMENTS, TOWN HOMES TO THAT 12,500
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NUMBER, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HIT A MORATORIUM BEFORE THE, AND I'M SAYING THIS, I THINK I USED THE EXAMPLE OF IF Y'ALL DID EVERY QUARTER 500 CONNECTIONS WORTH AND DID THAT EVERY QUARTER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEN WE'D BE IN EXCESS OF 15,000.NOW IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THIS, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE LARGER MARKET WITH INTEREST RATES AND JOBS AND EVERYTHING WON'T SLOW IT.
AND MAYBE YOU COULD ADD 20,000 AND IT COMES TO A HALT.
THERE'S NOT AND NOTHING GETS BUILT ANYWAY CUZ THAT'S HOW THE WORLD WORKS.
BUT WE DO HAVE A AND WHERE'S DAN? HE'S USUALLY SHADOWING ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM DAN AS THE WATER EXPERT, BUT THEY'RE, WELL JUST ONE THING, LIKE ARE ALL THOSE WATER CONNECTIONS LIKE FOR LIGHT? CUZ I HEAR YOU SAYING APARTMENTS AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED THAT APARTMENTS USE LESS THAN SINGLE FAMILIES.
SO IS, CAN WE LOOK AT THAT DATA AND SAY WHAT IT IS? CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE ONE FOR ONE.
YOU ADD, IF YOU ADD THE AMOUNT OF CONNECTIONS PER ACRE TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEING BUILT, YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME, YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME BALANCE THERE.
YEAH, BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT IS MULTI-FAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW.
AND THEN I KNOW YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR, BUT I THINK JUST THE, THE ONE, THE ONE THING TO TO TO TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS GENERAL PUBLIC P AND Z, EVERYBODY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY RELYING ON PROFESSIONAL DATA HERE.
WE NEED TO CONFIRM THE DATA, WE WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND, AND IF WE JUST STOPPED BUILDING THINGS, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
CUZ THAT'S PRIMARILY WHERE OUR MONEY COMES FROM TO RUN THE CITY.
SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE HERE THAT WE, I MEAN MY WHOLE PROFESSION WE'RE HERE TO LORI LIES ON, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND, AND STILL HAVE TO PUT THE CITY FIRST IN THOSE, IN THOSE WAYS.
SO, UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A TIME LIMIT, RIGHT? WE SAID WE WOULD READDRESS IT AFTER A CERTAIN TIME EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S, YEAH, AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP IN THE RETREAT TOO.
WE'RE GONNA BRING SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS BACK TO Y'ALL.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE COMPONENTS.
WE DO SEE A TWO MGD BUMP AT SOME POINT WITH THE SANDY CREEK SLUDGE PROCESSING PROJECT.
I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE WATER TRAIL TOO MUCH.
I WANT TO KEEP THIS FOCUSED ON THE P Z STUFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NO, NO, NO.
I GUESS NOW, UH, THE CHAIRMAN VICE CHAIR, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS.
WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THIS AS A WHOLE COMMISSION WHERE WE COME UP WITH A LIST OF THINGS, WHAT THE COMMISSION THINKS.
AND SO SOME OF US MAY BE ON A DIFFERENT PAGE AND I ACTUALLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I ONLY HAD ONE CONCERN ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S IF YOU TRY TO GO FOR, UH, 0% IN AN ACTIVITY CENTER, HOW ARE YOU GONNA PROTECT THOSE SURROUNDING EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROVIDE A BUFFER FROM THE RETAIL? AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS TO PUT GENERAL COMMERCIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL AND WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE IT WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO BUFFER IT WITH SOMETHING.
IT TAKES A TOOL OUT OF OUR TOOLBOX, JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING.
IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL TO PROTECT THOSE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOCAL COMMERCIAL OR LOCAL OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE THE PUZZLE PIECES FIT IN THOSE AREAS.
I I THINK THAT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD STARTING POINT AND YOU CAN ALWAYS REVISIT IT LATER ON.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S UH, TO THAT POINT, UH, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU RECEIVED, UM, YOUR ANNUAL, WELL IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR ANNUAL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE THE REPORT.
HAS IT BEEN, ARE WE COMING UP ON A YEAR? SO WE DID A, NOT THE PROGRESS REPORT.
WE DID THE PROGRESS REPORT AND THEN I FEEL LIKE WE USED TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS OF, OF THE C I P RECOMMENDATIONS PROBLEMS, NOT C I P RECOMMENDATIONS, P AND Z RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHERE THEY SEE ISSUES.
AND I REMEMBER SIDEWALK GAPS WAS PART OF THAT, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING LARGER THAT WASP THAT WAS CIP P YEAH.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
LIKE IF WE DID IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UM, WE ADOPTED IT IN 2021.
SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY HIT THAT YEAR MARK YET, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO A YEAR OUT I THINK.
SO THAT WOULD BE APRIL, APRIL, UM, APRIL OR IF Y'ALL WANTED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND DO IT SOONER, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND DEALING WITH.
I MEAN WE READ THROUGH THE MINUTES AND SOME OF US WATCH THE VIDEO TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ALL THINKING AND WHAT PROBLEMS YOU'RE SEEING.
UM, SO IF Y'ALL WANTED TO REVIEW THINGS AND COME UP WITH LISTS OF IDEAS AND CONCERNS, UM, THAT YOU SEE COMING UP, I THINK WE WOULD ALL BE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
WELL, AND I THINK TO, I GUESS TO LAURA'S POINT AND
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TO REALLY ALL THIS CONVERSATION AND WHY I SUPPORTED THE RESOLUTION WAS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A MORATORIUM AND BY SAYING TO THE WORLD, HEY LOOK IN THESE CENTERS BECAUSE I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO STAFF WAS, WELL HERE'S, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL, BUT THEN WE WANNA MAX OUT THE RESIDENTIAL IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN SAYS ZERO TWO 30%.AND SO IT WAS REALLY MORE OF AN EFFORT TO TELL THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, HEY LOOK, I MEAN YES WE'VE GOT SOME WIGGLE ROOM WITH RESIDENTIAL, BUT THESE CENTERS ARE MEANT TO BE MORE COMMERCIAL THAN RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO IT WAS JUST A WAY OF SAYING IT A LITTLE BIT STRONGER WITHOUT DOING IT, YOU KNOW, BUT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN, IT'S LIKE, LOOK, IT'S A MORATORIUM, JUST SAY IT.
AND TO GO TO THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME LOCAL ROOM AND THAT ROBIN AND HER TEAM HAVE THE ABILITY AND PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS AND DEVELOP AND YOU KNOW, THE COURSE AS THE PROCESS GOES ALONG THAT THEY CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS LIKE, LOOK, NO, THIS IS WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS AND IF YOU WANT YOUR PRO YOUR, UM, PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND TO PASS THROUGH THE SYSTEM EASILY, WE NEED TO MEET THE INTENT BECAUSE HERE ARE, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND SO IT GAVE THEM A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT NOBODY ON ROBIN'S TEAM IS JUST GOING, OH, THERE'S A HOUSE.
NO, THAT THEY'RE TAKING IT AND LOOKING AT IT AND GIVING THE PROPER FEEDBACK, RIGHT, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT AS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT EVERY PROJECT WITH, HOW CAN WE SAY YES, NOT JUST AN AUTOMATIC, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME BETTER DEFINITION OF THAT ZERO TO 30%.
CAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN WHERE WE HAVE UP TO 30% AND WE'VE GOT 29.5%.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXACTLY THAT YET, BUT 29.5 PERCENT'S RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO WHERE DO YOU PUT COMMERCIAL? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T HAVE AN HEB SURROUNDING FIVE HOMES AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO HOW TO AVOID SOME OF THESE.
UM, AND PUT THE COMMERCIAL WITH A COMMERCIAL ON THE RESIDENTIAL, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SO WE CAN HAVE THE BUFFERS STILL HIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NOT BE STEERING THE DEVELOPERS ROLE WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US.
UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY REVIEW LIKE THE ACTIVITY CENTERS AND HOW WE DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD THAT COME UP AS A PROBLEM OVER AND OVER.
UM, AND TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS SAID, UM, I THINK THAT THIS HAVING THIS THIS RESOLUTION HELPS STAFF BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN A BUNCH OF CALLS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT SAY, HEY, YOUR STAFF IS SAYING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T WANT APARTMENTS AND THERE'S MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS AND I THINK THEY'RE BLOWING STEAM.
I'M LIKE, NO, THEY'RE NOT BLOWING STEAM
YOU KNOW? UM, AND I HATE THAT PEOPLE GO TO YOU AND THEN DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAY AND COME TO US BECAUSE YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME AUTHORITY AND YOU SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A PART OF IT.
UM, BUT I MEAN, JUST LIKE HOW THE BIG BOX STORES WANT TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHER WANTS MULTIFAMILY RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I KNOW I GET APPROACHED ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MUCH YOU'RE APPROACHED FOR IT.
SO I THINK WE'LL REFINE IT, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND CLEARER FOR EVERYBODY.
BUDDIES SOUNDS TO ME, FROM WHAT RICK IS SAYING IS THAT WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO A MORATORIUM NUMBER ANYWAY.
WE'RE, WE HAVE 12,012 AND HALF THOUSAND ENTITLED UNITS.
NOW, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS? WHERE WE ARE GONNA HAND IT BY MO MORATORIUM? WE HAVE THE, IT'S THE ABSORPTION RATE.
MIKE HAD IT UP AT THE LAST, AT THE LAST MEETING, KIND OF A, A SAMPLE.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE, LIKE LET'S HOPE SANDY CREEK'S SLEDGE PROCESSING GETS DONE IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE LET'S SAY THERE'S A DELAY IN THAT PROJECT.
YOU COULD, I THINK WE USE 6,000 UNITS IN 23 AND 6,000 UNITS AND 24 AND THEN ASSUMED SANDY'S THERE AND THEN YOU DO ANOTHER SIX THE NEXT YEAR.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT PROJECT SLIPS BY A YEAR AND YOU DO, I MEAN, DID I SAY 6,000? IT WASN'T 6,000.
IT WAS, UH, I THOUGHT, YEAH, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SIX, IT WAS 4,200, UH, OH, 6,000 PEOPLE.
WE BROKE IT, THE 42,000 INTO I THINK SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
IT'D BE SIX IF I WAS AN AGGIE.
AND SO, UM, SO UH, GOT AN AGGIE PURSE RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, I HAD, I GOT A SON THERE AND
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I WENT TOSO, BUT YES, WE COULD HIT IT VERY QUICKLY.
AND HE IS IN THE CORE TOO, BY THE WAY.
SO IT, IT, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS THE CHALLENGE.
SO IF WE, LET'S SAY WE DID 10,000 PEOPLE IN 23, WE HAVE SOME CRAZY SPIKE YEAR AND THEN SANDY CREEK IS, IS DELAYED.
WE COULD BE IN A MORATORIUM BY 24.
THAT'S MY OTHER POINT IS WITH JUST WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT DO WE KNOW AND CAN THAT, CAN, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE PROJECT, CAN THAT ALL BE ACCELERATED BY ANY CHANCE? CAN WE WORK ON THE OTHER END OF THAT? WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN THAT.
I, I KNOW AFTER YOU GUYS AND YOU GUYS ALL ROLL YOUR EYES EVERY TIME THEY COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFULLY LONG TIME TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT KIND OF A PROJECT AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A BIG, BIG, BIG THING.
WELL IT IS A, THE TOTAL PROJECT RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY BY THE TIME YOU THERE, IF THERE ARE CHANGE ORDERS, I MEAN THE TOTAL PROJECT COSTS COULD EASILY GO FROM 250 TO 300 MILLION.
YOU HAVE THE TIME, UH, TIME VERSUS MONEY PIECE I'M SURE FOR THE RIGHT PRICE.
AND WE DO HAVE THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE TWO OTHER PARTNERS, UH, CEDAR PARK AND ROUND ROCK.
SO THEY ARE NOT AS IN THE SAME DIRE NEED.
AND THIS MIGHT BE ONE THAT NICOLE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ON THAT FRONT OR YOU WANT ME TO JUST END IT ON THERE? I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT TAKES YEARS FOR THESE PROJECTS FROM, LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING BEFORE, A BIG BOX, A BIG BOX COMPANY COMING TO LEANDER.
IT DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN WHERE THEY DECIDE WE'RE COMING TO LEANDER ON THE 1ST OF JANUARY AND WE'RE BUILDING ON FEBRUARY 1ST.
THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN IN PROCESS FOR YEARS.
UM, GETTING PERMITS, GETTING PLANS DONE, GETTING ALL THE PROPER APPROVALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS SLOWED THAT PROJECT DOWN WAS MAKING SURE WE WERE ABLE TO BUY ALL THE LAND RIGHTS THAT TOOK ALMOST 10 YEARS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT JUST FINISHED IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
WE STARTED GETTING, GETTING THINGS DONE.
UM, SO IT, IT TAKES A LONG TIME.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF EVERYBODY IS NOT PUTTING THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD TO WORK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR FOR EVERYONE THAT'S LISTENING THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE I'M KIND OF LIKE RICK, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE, IS THERE A PRICE POINT HERE THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TO SAY IS IT WORTH THROWING AN EXTRA $10 MILLION INTO SOMETHING? WELL, BUT FOR, TO GET YOU 10 MONTHS, OUR SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.
WE ARE NOT THE ONLY PARTNER IN THE BCR UA THAT'S CEDAR PARK AND ALSO ROUND ROCK.
AND LIKE RICK ALLUDED TO, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE NECESSARY NEED FOR WATER IN THE WAY THAT WE DO BECAUSE THEIR GROWTH IS AT A SLOWER PACE THAN WHAT OUR RIP IS AT.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING.
SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
I KNOW MR. GREENSVILLE CAN ACCOUNT TO THAT SOME PROJECTS THAT HE'S PUSHED FORWARD SINCE HE HAS BEEN HIRED SO THAT WE CAN PUT THOSE ON THE TOP OF THE LIST TO FOCUS ON THAT.
SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT A ISSUE OF NECESSARILY THROWING MORE MONEY AT IT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH LEGAL MANEUVERS WITH THE OTHER TWO CITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THEY DO NOT HAVE AN APPETITE FOR IT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR US.
I SAW THE LOOK ON TO TAKE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST ON OUR OWN.
WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE OTHER TWO CITIES EVEN IF WE WANTED TO DO IT ON OUR OWN BECAUSE WE ARE IN THAT, UM, THAT CONTRACT TOGETHER.
SO I, I WAS IN THE MILITARY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT COMMANDERS AND SO WHEN THE COMMANDER PUTS OUT GUIDANCE, WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE INTENT BEHIND THAT GUIDANCE IS.
SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, CUSTOMER ROSS ABOUT HEY, I HOPE ROBIN'S TEAM ISN'T JUST GOING, OH, THERE'S A HOUSE, LET'S NOT DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF OPEN DISCUSSIONS HELP THE STAFF UNDERSTAND THE COMMAND'S INTENT BEHIND, UM, THE RESOLUTION ALSO HELPS ANYONE LISTENING TO DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL AND MAYBE QUELL SOME OF THE FEARS AROUND THERE.
UM, BUT WHAT I THINK WOULD HELP ME SPECIFICALLY, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE UH, COMMISSION, BUT WITH, TO UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT FOR US, BECAUSE OUR JOB IS NOT TO THINK ABOUT WATER QUITE HONESTLY.
OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT ZONING AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR INTENT IS FOR US MOVING FORWARD AND, AND KIND OF CLARIFY THAT FOR US.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR US AS WELL.
UM, SO TO THAT, GOING BACK TO THIS ORDINANCE, I THINK PART OF THE INTENT ALSO IS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THOSE OTHER TWO PARTNERS ALL THE TIME, WHAT IS LEANDER DOING TO SLOW DOWN THE USAGE? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GO OVER YOUR USAGE.
AND SO HAVING THIS ORDINANCE ALSO GIVES US THE ABILITY TO SAY, LOOK, WE ARE DOING SOMETHING, WE'RE TRYING.
UM, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY GOING A LONG WAY AND BUILDING GOODWILL
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WITH BOTH OF THEM.AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT LAST TIME I WAS KIND OF ALMOST AGAINST THIS, BUT I THINK EVERYONE HEARD ME ON CITY COUNCIL SAYING THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LEVER THAT WE HAVE TO PULL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I VOTED FOR, FOR IT CUZ I WAS ORIGINALLY KIND OF LEERY ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE'VE KIND OF EXHAUSTED HER LEVERS.
UM, WE ARE GONNA GET THE AMR WHAT IS THE AMMI? YES.
RIGHT? THAT'S ANOTHER LEVER TO PULL.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE MORE THAT WE CAN TRACK THE USAGE WITH.
SO WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE, CAN WE JUST REVIEW THE, UM, THE CURRENT SITUATION AS FAR AS OUR CURRENT APPLICATIONS? CAUSE I BELIEVE WE ALL AGREED THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS ALREADY SUBMITTED WOULD, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ANYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WASN'T MY UNDERSTANDING.
IS ANYTHING THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED APPROVED? NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT IT WOULD NOT.
WE ON THE SAME PAGE, THE LINE IN TERMS OF ENTITLEMENT ONCE IT'S ZONED, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
OKAY, SO JUST, JUST THE ZONING, NOT THE SUBMITTAL FOR A PERMIT.
SO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE, UM, ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM DEVELOPING SO THEY COULD TURN IN PERMIT APPLICATION.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING ON IS NOT EFFECTI, EVEN IF FOR NOT, IF IT'S ALREADY ZONED PROPERLY YEAH, THEY CAN DEVELOP.
SO IT'S JUST, JUST FOR ZONING CHANGES.
AND UM, THEN WE, WE DID KIND OF TALK ABOUT HAVING A TIME, A TIMEFRAME THAT THIS IS NOT FOREVER, THIS IS A TEMPORARY UNTIL TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL TO CATCH UP WITH RESIDENTIAL.
THAT IS A CRUCIAL PIECE OF THE SUCCESS OF OUR CITY.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE PARTNERSHIPS TO HELP UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA PUSH PEOPLE AWAY.
WE DON'T WANNA PUSH DEVELOPERS AWAY, BUILDERS AWAY.
WE, WE JUST WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOT TODAY, WE CAN'T DO IT TODAY OR MAYBE WE CAN'T DO THIS TODAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL, UM, WHERE IF THE, IF THE MESSAGE IS GETTING OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CLEAR MESSAGE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND PERHAPS REVIEW IT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID COME UP WITH THE TIME, SO I'LL, I'LL LET SIX, WAS IT SIX MONTHS? OKAY.
I THINK WE SAID AT LEAST EVERY YEAR.
BUT WE CAN DO IT MORE FREQUENTLY.
I REMEMBER THE YEAR KIND WITH THE COUNCIL RETREATS.
THAT WOULD BE A TIME TO REVIEW THE RESOLUTION MESSAGE COUNCIL'S STANCE ON WHERE WE STAND AND WHERE STAFF WOULD BE PROVIDING UPDATES ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR WATER SYSTEM AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION.
AND THOSE RETREATS ARE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, TO DETERMINE IS OUR MESSAGE WORKING? WE NEED A DIFFERENT MESSAGE.
DO WE NEED MAYBE A DIFFERENT LEVER? AND ARE THERE ANY LEVERS? WE PULLED THE LAW LEVERS AND WE'RE MEASURING PROGRESS ON EACH ONE OF THOSE.
SO JANUARY MAY BE KIND OF EARLY TO SEE IF THIS RESOLUTION IS HAVING A REAL HIT TO DEVELOPMENT OR IMPACT, BUT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL DATA THAT WE PROMISE.
SO WE WILL DO THAT IN JANUARY.
WE MAYBE A GOOD TIME THAT IS SOMETHING BLOWING UP PLACES WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
AND THAT'S GOOD TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I THINK ORIGINALLY THE RESOLUTION SAID FIVE YEARS AND THAT MADE TOTAL PRETTY MUCH OUR WINDOW OF, OF WHY THE RESOLUTION IS IN PLACE IS THAT FIVE YEAR WINDOW LETS US CATCH UP TO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW WHEN WE GET PAST, HOPEFULLY THEY ALL FINISH ON TIME AND THAT'S WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR WINDOW.
IF WE GET PAST FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S ON A SLIDING SCALE AND WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH SOME PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE LARGER ONES.
UH, THIS RESOLUTION KIND OF HELPS US TRACK THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE EMPHASIZE THAT IN MESSAGE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS ALSO A TEMPORARY AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GRADING FEEDBACK FROM THE HBA.
SO, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE THAT THOSE GROUPS, THOSE TAKE OVER GROUPS AND THAT, THAT WAS TO TO ELIMINATE AS MUCH GRAY AREA, GRAY AREA.
LIKE WHAT WE ASKED FOR WAS BETTER COMMUNICATION.
SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE SOME BLANKET STATEMENT THAT COULD BE INTERPRETED OR ENFORCED WILLY-NILLY DEPENDING ON WHO WAS COMING THROUGH THE DOOR.
WE JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR COMMUNICATION AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UM, AND OTHER PARTNERS AND THE CITY STAFF TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BLACK AND WHITE THERE SO THAT WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND I THINK THAT WILL ALSO HELP YOU GUYS AS, AS A, AS A COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? IS YOU KNOW, WHAT ORDINANCE WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT NOW TO THE OTHER END OF YOUR QUESTION OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FROM YOU.
UM, I AM ONE OF THE WEIRDOS THAT WATCHES FOR MEETINGS AND I THINK, UM, IT'S VERY CONVERSATIONAL AND IT'S VERY EASY TO GO DOWN THE PATH
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OF HELPING TO DESIGN PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN.BUT THAT IS NOT THE ROLE OF PNC.
THAT'S NOT EVEN REALLY OUR ROLE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO REVIEW THE PNC ORDINANCE FROM TIME TO TIME AS A REFRESHER OF WHAT YOUR PARAMETERS ARE WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER ON US, HONESTLY, BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THINGS ARE COMING TO US AND UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE Y'ALL HAVE GONE DOWN SOME RABBIT HOLES AND MADE SOME CHANGES TO THINGS THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, THAT THERE WERE, THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AT OUR LEVEL THAT Y'ALL COULD HAVE JUST SAID, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND WE COULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT.
UM, I THINK I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THAT WAY BASED ON A COUPLE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.
UM, COUNSEL, WHAT ELSE DO Y'ALL HAVE? AND I WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE ALL THE ENTHUSIASM AND ALL THE WORK Y'ALL PUT IN BECAUSE YOU DO GO DOWN SOME RABBIT HOLE SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, WOW, THIS IS DETAILED.
UM, SO I KNOW Y'ALL ARE READING AND PAYING ATTENTION,
I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL, MR. OLIVER, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, COUNSEL, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS FOR P Z? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY AND, UM, WHAT OUR INTENT WAS, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO US, WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM IT IS THAT IN THOSE SPECIAL AREAS WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO OUR, OUR, UM, DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND SAYING THEY WANT TO DO PRETTY MUCH 30% RESIDENTIAL AND WANT TO GET THAT PART OF IT DONE FIRST AND THEN MAYBE COMMERCIAL WILL COME BEHIND IT AND THEN MAYBE IT WON'T.
AND THEN WE'RE IN THIS WHOLE OTHER SITUATION.
SO IT WAS REALLY ABOUT THAT NOT NECESSARILY TAKING AWAY MULTI-FAMILY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
BUT IT'S GOOD FOR ME TO HEAR THAT OTHER PEOPLE SIDE DIFFERENT.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE, THE, THE VERBIAGE THAT WE'RE USING AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR STATEMENT IS REALLY CLEAR, UM, WHAT OUR INTENT IS AND WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO AND NOT WILLING TO DO.
AND, AND WITH THAT, IF ONE REASON WE WANT TO BE FLEXIBLE AND THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE AS SOON AS THIS MEETING'S OVER RUNS BACK AND SAYS, OH, I WANNA PROPOSE THIS, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THEM.
IF SOMEONE HAS A LETTER OF INTENT OR A PURCHASE AND IT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT WOLF RANCH IN THE HILL COUNTRY OR THE NEXT SUGARLAND TOWN CENTER SCENARIO AND IT'S A COUPLE OF HUNDRED, LET'S SAY TOWN HOMES AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD HEAVILY COMMERCIAL WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY AND NOT GIVE IT AWAY FOR, YOU KNOW, 500 HERE, 500 HERE AND NOT GET LET'S SAY 500 APARTMENTS WITH A 7-ELEVEN IN FRONT OF IT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MIXED USE.
CAN PNC, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? ANYTHING WE CAN HELP WITH THIS YOUR CHANCE
UH, I HAVE LEARNED A HECK OF A LOT AND, UH, FOR SURE WE'RE GROWING IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS.
IT, IT GETS KINDA SCARY SOMETIMES.
I THINK, OH MY GOD, UM, HOW ARE WE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REEL SUM THIS IN SO YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE WATER AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
UM, BUT MOST OF THE TIME I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS SAY AND IF I HAVE A CONCERN, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH CONTACTING, INTERVIEWING, LETTING YOU KNOW, COUNSEL ANYTHING FURTHER? NOPE, JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, OH, JUST OPEN, LIKE OPEN DOOR.
LIKE IF THERE'S SOMETHING RUN INTO EACH OTHER AT THIS STORE OR NEED A PHONE CALL OR, YOU KNOW, OR BRING A FOOTBALL CARD OF SOMEBODY TO EMBARRASS THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD JUST CLEAR COMMUNICATION AND, AND SETTING PROPER EXPECTATIONS IS EVERYTHING I THINK BETWEEN US AND Y'ALL AND YOU'RE AN EXTENSION OF WHAT WE DO AND YOU'RE A VERY IMPORTANT ONE.
UM, THE RESEARCH THAT YOU DO, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK REALLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO DO OUR JOB UP HERE TOO.
SO WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE WELCOME THOSE THINGS.
AND I THINK JUST WHAT THE MAYOR SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, STAYING WITHIN OUR BOX AND, AND KEEPING IT THERE AND BEING REALLY GOOD INSIDE THAT BOX WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
AND UM, BUT, UH, ANY WAY THAT WE CAN BETTER COMMUNICATE OUR BETTER SET EXPECTATIONS, THAT DOOR'S ALWAYS OPEN.
AND I'LL I'LL, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I'LL ADD, I, I'VE SHARED THIS WITH, WITH DONNIE BEFORE, BUT, UM, I GUESS I'M A WEIRDO TOO BECAUSE I DO WATCH THE
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MEETINGS, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT IF THERE'S A CERTAIN ISSUE I WANNA HEAR WHAT WERE YOUR CONCERNS? WHAT WERE YOUR, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION LIKE, BECAUSE IT HELPS US BE A LITTLE PREPARED FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE PREPARED FOR THE THINGS.UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, THOSE DISCUSSIONS, I JUST THINK ABOUT THAT WE'RE WATCHING AND YOU'RE TALKING TO US, YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM, BUT YOU'RE TALKING TO US TOO BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU ARE SO FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU DO AND WE'RE SO FOCUSED ON EVERYTHING THAT THOSE FOCUS CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAVE AMONGST YOURSELVES WITH, WITH EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, DURING THE MEETINGS ARE VERY HELPFUL TO US.
SO THE MORE THINGS THAT YOU CAN EXPRESS DURING THOSE MEETINGS, JUST THAT JUST MEANS THE PROCESS IS GONNA GO THAT MUCH SMOOTHER.
AND THE REASON WHY YOU VOTED A CERTAIN WAY IS VERBALIZE.
SO IT HELPS US THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN HOUR DOING A DEEP DIVE ON ONE, ONE ISSUE WHEN WE'VE GOT 12 ON OUR, ON OUR AGENDA.
YEAH, IT, IT DOES HELP A LOT TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, P AND Z RECOMMENDATION IS THIS CHANGE.
UM, HEARING ALL THAT BACK AND FORTH AND SOMETIMES I'M SURE YOU DO THE SAME THING.
I COME UP WITH QUESTIONS BASED ON THE CONVERSATION Y'ALL HAVE THINGS THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT OF ON MY OWN.
SO YEAH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE.
I'M GETTING THE QUESTION AND THEN Y'ALL ASK IS, OH, THANK YOU
WELL, AND YOU KNOW, AND TO THAT POINT THOUGH, A LOT OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE AND CAUSE I ALSO WATCH THE MEETINGS IS, UM, WHEN, ESPECIALLY FOR ME IF THERE'S LIKE, IF IT'S A, UM, SIX ONE VOTE OR A, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S AN OFF VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER, UM, I GUESS MOST OF THE TIME IT'S THE DISSENTING VOTES, THE WHY BEHIND IT MM-HMM.
BUT I THINK FOCUSING ON THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, FOCUSING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND WHAT FITS AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR ACTIVITY CENTERS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS AND ALL THAT, THAT OUR FOCUS IS TO, WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, BUT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY 150% FOCUSED ON THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND UM, YEAH, THEN THANK YOU AND I WONDERED, IT'S FUN, I AVOID IT, BUT I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU ALL, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO US ONE ON ONE IF EVER YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, FRUSTRATIONS, WHATEVER.
I WOULDN'T DO A BLANKET EMAIL TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A QUORUM ISSUE THERE.
BUT IF YOU WANNA REACH OUT TO US AND JUST SAY, HEY, I WANNA KNOW WHY YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH THIS, OR I DON'T LIKE THIS ABOUT THE ACTIVITY CENTER, FEEL FREE.
BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY WE KNOW YOU'RE FRUSTRATED IS WHEN WE HEAR IT EITHER UP THERE OR HEAR BETWEEN US.
SO WITH THAT VICE CHAIR MAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE CLOSE YOUR NAME? THE TIME IS 6 48 AND THIS CONCLUDES THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, WORKSHOP.
FEEL FREE TO STAY IN YOUR SEATS.
[5. Discuss possible January retreat topics.]
GONNA TALK FOR JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSS POSSIBLE JANUARY RETREAT TOPICS.COUNSEL, YOU HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF YOU OF TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED SO FAR.
UM, I THINK BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS HERE TONIGHT, WE SHOULD ADD REVIEWING THE ACTIVITY CENTER RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS TO THIS LIST, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, I KNOW WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES ALREADY, BUT REVIEWING AGAIN THE WATER USE AND IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS, MAYBE WITH SOME DATA ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT USERS.
I KNOW WE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT, UM, APARTMENTS VERSUS, UH, LARGER LOTS.
SO MAYBE TAKING A LOOK AT THE, THE IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS AND DATA THERE.
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN.
COUNSEL, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THIS LIST? DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE, MS. CRABTREE? WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR ADDING THINGS TO RETREAT? SO IF I COULD GET THEM BEFORE THE 15TH OF DECEMBER BECAUSE WE NEED TIME TO PREPARE AND TO GET INFORMATION, GATHER AND BE READY FOR THE RETREAT SO WE CAN EMAIL YOU THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
YES, AND THIS IS, UM, OUR ONE DAY RETREAT, WHICH IS ONLY ON JANUARY THE 27TH, FRIDAY ON THE 27TH.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO FINALIZE A VISION AND MISSION? I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS DID THAT IN JULY.
WHAT ABOUT COULD THERE BE A SMALL UPDATE FOR DAM ON PROJECTS? ON WHAT PROJECTS? C P PROJECTS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE REVISION OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
YOU'RE NOT GROUP IT INTO THE FIRST ONE TOO AND THEN COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS COMPLETELY SEPARATE IN GENERAL, UNLESS IT COMES TO COUNSEL PRIOR TO THAT.
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NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF.IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER, PLEASE EMAIL MS. CRABTREE WITH THAT.
WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6:50 PM PLEASE BE BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH
[6. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
AND THE TIME IS 7:01 PM AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL.TONIGHT REVEREND WENDELL HOLMES WILL BE PROVIDING THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE.
REVEREND HOLMES, WELCOME BACK TO THE I BELIEVE CORRECT TITLE IS THE HONORABLE MAN, MAYOR AND NORTH PRAYER MAYOR PRO AND TO CITY COUNCIL AND TO ALL WHO ARE PRESENT, LET US BOW FOR A MOMENT IN PRAYER.
FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD.
WE THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL FOR WHO YOU ARE.
AS OUR CREATOR AND SUSTAINER, PROVIDER, PRESERVER AND PROTECTOR.
WE ASK, OH GOD, IN THIS MOMENT, IN THIS TIME FOR THIS COUNCIL THAT YOU WOULD GRANT WISDOM OR FROM ON HIGH TO GOVERN, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE SET AS LEADERS THAT THEY MAY SHOW LEADERSHIP, SHOW A SERVANT'S HEART.
WE ASK FOR GOD THAT THEY WOULD, UH, ABIDE MORALLY RIGHT, BIBLICALLY RIGHT FAMILY, RIGHT FINANCIALLY, RIGHT, THAT THEY WILL GOVERN THIS CITY, THIS PLACE THAT WE CALL HOME.
THIS PLACE WHERE WE WORSHIP, THIS PLACE WHERE WE BUY OUR GROCERIES, OUR FOOD, OUR GAS, A PLACE WHERE WE FELLOWSHIP, A PLACE WHERE WE RAISE OUR FAMILIES, A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE OUR FUN, A PLACE WHERE WE SPEND OUR MONEY.
GOD, THAT THEY WOULD BE GIVEN WISDOM, THAT THEY WOULD DO JUSTICE, THAT THEY WOULD WALK IN MERCY, AND THAT THEY WILL LIVE HUMBLE LIVES.
GOD BLESS THEM ALL NOW IN THE NAME OF JESUS, WHO IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
NINE STATES OF AMERICA AND TO PUBLIC, WHICH IS STANDS ONE NATION AND THE GOD INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE, HONOR OF THE TEXAS FLAG AND TO WITH IS ONE IN.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH REVEREND.
[7. Roll Call.]
CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER.HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER ESPIN MACKEY LENO.
HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD HERE, MAYOR PORT NICOLE THOMPSON.
PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS ORICK.
HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER BECKY ROSS HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE DE LAW HERE.
QUORUM IS PRESENT AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS.
I REMEMBER EIGHT NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE PHYSICIANS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNSEL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT,
[9. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. TPUSA at Tom Glenn High School recognition of community service National Family Caregivers Month (November)]
ITEM NUMBER NINE, RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND VISITORS.FIRST, WE HAVE A RECOGNITION OF THE TPU USA AT TOM GLENN HIGH SCHOOL, UH, FOR THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE WITH COUNCILS MEMBER MCDONALD.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY GREAT JOB.
I REALLY LIKE THIS, UH, BEING A VETERAN AND YOU GUYS GOING OUTTA YOUR WAY TO TAKE TIME OUTTA YOUR DAY AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF.
TEENAGERS NORMALLY DON'T DO THAT.
SO, UH, FOR YOU GUYS JUST TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF RECOGNIZING VETERANS AND THE SACRIFICE THAT NOT ONLY THAT THEY MAKE, THAT THEIR FAMILIES MAKE, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
SO, UH, LET ME READ THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF ACCOMMODATION HERE.
LET IT BE KNOWN THAT TURNING POINT USA AT TOM GLENN HIGH SCHOOL IS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF LEANDER, TEXAS FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO OUR US MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS AND LEONARD COMMUNITY BY PLACING MORE THAN 100 AMERICAN FLAGS IN FRONT OF TOM GLENN HIGH SCHOOL.
IN HONOR OF VETERANS DAY, WE PROUDLY ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS TO RECOGNIZE IN THE VETERANS WHO WHO HAVE SERVED OUR NATION IN MILITARY SERVICE, THIS CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED IN RECOGNITION THEREOF ON THIS DAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2022 AMERICA STILE.
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AND NOW WE HAVE, UH, ONE FOR NATIONAL FAMILY CAREGIVERS MONTH WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MAC ANDREIA CITY OF LEANDER PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS THE TOTAL ESTIMATED ANNUAL ECONOMIC VALUE OF UNCOMPENSATED CARE PROVIDED BY THE NATION'S FAMILY GIVERS IS ESTIMATED AT 470 BILLION.
AND WHEREAS ADMINISTRATION FOR COMMUNITY LIVING HIGHLIGHTS THE THEME OF CAREGIVING HAPPENS IN RECOGNITION OF THE WAY MANY FAMILY CAREGIVERS GIVERS FIND THEMSELVES QUICKLY THRUST INTO THE ROLE OF CAREGIVER FOLLOWING A HEALTH CRISIS OR CHANGING CONDITION OF AN OLDER PARENT OR A RELATIVE, OFTEN WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OR ACCESS TO AVAILABLE SERVICES AND SUPPORTS.
AND WHEREAS A 2022 NATIONAL STRATEGY TO SUPPORT FAMILY CAREGIVERS INCLUDES ELEMENTS FOCUS ON ENHANCING SUPPORT FOR CAREGIVERS THROUGH INCREASED OUTREACH, STRENGTHEN SERVICES AND SUPPORTS EXPENDED EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICES WITH SPECIFIC ACTIONS LOCAL COMMUNITY PARTNERS CAN TAKE.
AND WHEREAS THE AREA AGENCY ON AGING OF THE CAPITAL AREA SUPPORTS FAMILY CAREGIVERS BY PROVIDING RESPITE SERVICES, CAREGIVER EDUCATION, AND EVIDENCE-BASED CAREGIVER WORKSHOPS TO HELP REDUCE STRESS AND PREVENT BURNOUT, ASSISTING CAREGIVERS WITH ACCESS TO COMMUNITY BASED SERVICES AND SUPPORTS AND ADDRESSING LONG-TERM CARE PLANNING AND FINANCIAL SECURITY ISSUES.
AND NOW THEREFORE, I, CHRISTINE DELLY, MAYOR OF LEANDER DO HEREBY DECLARE THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, 2022 TO BE NATIONAL AND FAMILY CAREGIVERS MONTH IN THE CAP COG REGION TO RECOGNIZE SUPPORT OF FAMILY CAREGIVERS AS KEY TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR OLDER ADULTS ACROSS THE CAP COG REGION AND WITNESS THEREOF.
I HAVE HERE ON TWO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE THE SEAL LEANDER TO BE AIX ON NOVEMBER 17TH, 2022.
TO, FOR THIS THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER.
[10. Leander History]
ON TO ITEM 10, LEANDER HISTORY WITH CAT HOWELL.KEEPING WITH THE VETERANS THEME, THIS IS NOVEMBER.
UM, TODAY I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, M MI P O W M I A.
BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.
UM, FIRST OFF, THE LEANDER HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE HAVING A PRESENTATION ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 21ST AT THE LIBRARY FROM SIX TO SEVEN ON THE NEANDERTHAL LADY, UH, CHRIS TWING ON OUR COMMISSION, WHO IS A REAL ARCHEOLOGIST.
UM, SHE'S GONE ON DIGS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, SHE WILL BE, UH, THE SPEAKER THERE AND, UM, KNOWING CHRIS IS GONNA BE A VERY, VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
UH, THE NEXT THING IS REESE ACROSS AMERICA DAY IS DECEMBER 17TH AT NOON AT BAGHDAD CEMETERY.
AND IF Y'ALL COULD COME OUT AND, AND HELP US THAT DAY, IT WOULD BE TERRIFIC.
THE PROGRAM IS WE PLACE ON VETERANS,
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ON THE VETERANS GRAVES, AND WE HAVE, UH, 500 HERE IN LEANDER, WHICH IS A GOOD NUMBER CONSIDERING OUR SIZE.OKAY, WITH THAT SAID, WE ALSO PLACE A WREATH OUT THERE ON DECEMBER 17TH FOR OUR ONE MIA.
SORRY, I DIDN'T GET MY BUTTONS TODAY.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL WILLIAM YOUNG DUGGAN IS THE ONLY MIA THAT WE KNOW OF HERE IN LEANDER.
AND I HAVE A LITTLE THING HERE THAT I'M GONNA READ ABOUT HIM.
I, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY I GO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WITH HIM, THIS IS A, UH, SPECIAL AND, UM, THIS IS A REALLY NICE LITTLE ARTICLE.
HE IS MEMORIALIZED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
HE'S MEMORIALIZED IN HONOLULU.
HE'S ALSO MEMORIALIZED AT THE TEXAS STATE CAPITAL.
AND ON THE, UM, VETERANS WALL, THE VIETNAM VETERANS WALL IN WASHINGTON DC WILLIAM YOUNG DUGGAN WAS BORN ON MAY 7TH, 1935 IN HOUSTON, TEXAS.
AS BOTH OF HIS PARENTS PASSED EARLY IN HIS LIFE, HE WAS RAISED BY HIS GRANDMOTHER, LOTTI HOOKS DICE ON THE DICE FAMILY RANCH NEAR JOLLYVILLE AND LEANDER, TEXAS.
IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH DICE RO RANCH ROAD, IT'S CEDAR PARK.
REMEMBER, CEDAR PARK DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL 1972, SO THE DICE RANCH WAS CONSIDERED PART OF LEANDER.
HE GREW UP RIDING HORSES, ROOTING FOR THE TEXAS LONGHORNS AND WORKING ON FAST CARS.
HE DEVELOPED A LOVE OF FLYING AND A DESIRE TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY, WHICH CULMINATED IN HIS JOINING THE AIR FORCE AND BECOMING A FIGHTER PILOT.
ON HIS FIRST TOUR IN SOUTHEAST ASIA, HE FLEW A ONE E WITH THE AIR COMMANDOS OUT OF BEN HIGH FLYING CLOSE AIR SUPPORT MISSIONS.
DURING THESE 265 COMBAT MISSIONS, HE RECEIVED THE ORDER OF THE ABLE AERONAUT AWARD FOR SUCCESSFULLY MAKING A DEAD STICK LANDING IN AN A ONE E AND SAVING THE AIRCRAFT.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW, A DEAD STICK LANDING IS YOU HAVE NO POWER.
ON ANOTHER CLOSE AIR SUPPORT MISSION, HE WAS FORCED TO DITCH HIS A ONE E IN THE GULF OF TONKIN.
HE SWAM ASHORE AND BURIED HIS BODY IN THE SAND, PULLING GRASS OVER HIS FACE.
THE VIET CON CAME WITHIN TWO FEET, BUT NEVER FOUND HIM.
HIS CHILDREN KNEW THAT DADDY WAS THE BEST, BEST HIDE AND SEEK PLAYER EVER TO PLAY THE GAME.
ON HIS SECOND TOUR OF DOOR DUTY, EXCUSE ME, SECOND TOUR OF DUTY IN SOUTHEAST ASIA, HE FLEW F FOUR S AS A SENIOR PILOT WITH THE NIGHT OWL SQUADRON OF THE WOLF PACK FROM UBON AIRBASE IN THAILAND.
DURING THESE 192 COMBAT MISSIONS, HE FLEW FAST FAC.
OUR FAST FORWARD AIR CONTROL MISSIONS.
HIS JOB WAS TO FLY SOLO NIGHTTIME MISSIONS ALONG THE HOCHI MEN TRAIL AND DESTROY ENEMY ANTI-AIRCRAFT DEFENSES AND HARASS ENEMY SUPPLY LINES.
DURING THESE TOURS OF DUTY, HE AMASSED 457 COMBAT MISSIONS, WHICH AT THE TIME OF HIS LOSS WAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF FLOWN BY A PILOT TO THE DATE.
OTHER AIR FORCE DUTY ASSIGNMENTS INCLUDED STENTS WITH THE THUNDERBIRD SQUADRON INSTRUCTOR PILOT AND WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT.
DURING HIS CAREER, HE WAS THE RECIPIENT OF NUMEROUS METALS FOR HIS SERVICE, GALLANTRY AND AIRMANSHIP.
THEY INCLUDE THE BRONZE STAR WITH V FOR VALOR, DISTINGUISHED FLYING, CROSS AIR METAL, PURPLE HEART, AND NUMEROUS OTHER DECORATIONS.
ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 31ST, 1971, AFTER MID-AIR REFUELING, HE WAS PILOTING HIS F FOUR OVER LAYOFFS AND WAS SHOT DOWN TO THIS DATE.
THE AIRCRAFT HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND AND NEITHER REMAINS A MAJOR.
WILLIAM DUGGAN PILOT AND AIRCRAFT COMMANDER OR CAPTAIN FREDERICK SUTTER HAVE BEEN DIS NAVIGATOR, HAVE BEEN DIS RECOVERED.
THERE WAS A RECOVERY MISSION, UM, SENT IN IN 1994.
THEY KNEW APPROXIMATELY WHERE HIS, UM, PLANE WENT DOWN, BUT THEY DIDN'T FIND IT.
UM, WE HAVE, IT'S THE DPAA DEFENSE POW MIA, A ACCOUNTING AGENCY THAT HAS, THEY ARE THE AGENCY THAT'S TASKED WITH FINDING POW M I A.
WE DON'T HAVE POWS LEFT ANYMORE.
WE HAVE A FEW, BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS.
UM, AND THEY, THEY ARE CONTINUALLY FINDING, THEY, THEY GET ABOUT, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED ABOUT 200 PERSONS EACH YEAR FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, WHICH IS REMARKABLE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 81,502 MIA FROM WORLD WAR II TO PRESENT.
41,000 OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED LOST AT SEA.
SO WE HAVE 40,000 THAT WE CAN FIND.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE 4,400 THAT ARE FROM WORLD WAR I THAT THE GOVERNMENT NO LONGER LOOKS FOR, BUT PRIVATE PEOPLE DO.
UM, WE DO, OH, EXCUSE ME, ONE MORE THING, AND I KNOW I'M GONNA BUZZ, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT.
UM, WE NOW HAVE A PROGRAM, IT'S A JOINT PROGRAM BETWEEN TEXAS D A
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R AND THE TEXAS VFW, WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND FAMILIES OF MIA TO HELP THEM, UH, TO HELP THEM IF THEY'RE COMMANDER.UH, LIEUTENANT COLONEL DUGGAN, THEY KNEW ABOUT HIM, HIM, THEY KNEW WHEN HE WENT DOWN AND THEY DECLARED HIM DECEASED.
MANY, MANY MIA'S DO NOT HAVE THAT.
THEY ARE STILL MIA AND THERE'S NO INFORMATION, AND THE FAMILIES STILL KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEIR LOST FAMILY MEMBER.
AND THIS ORGANIZATION, THE NATIONAL DEFENSE COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH THE VFW, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND FAMILIES OF MIA TO HELP THEM TO, UH, GET THEY, THEY MIA STILL QUALIFY FOR FULL MILITARY BURIAL.
SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY NEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOVED TO LEANDER, I'M SURE THERE'S A MIA FAMILY HERE.
IF YOU KNOW OF ONE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I WILL GET THEM IN TOUCH WITH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY DESERVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. HOW THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, SHEDDING LIGHT ON THAT.
UM, WE HAVE AIA IN MY FAMILY AND I DON'T THINK FAMILIES EVER GET OVER IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE CLOSURE.
NO, THEY DON'T HAVE THE CLOSURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I CAN ATTEST THAT IT AFFECTS UP TO FIVE OR SIX GENERATIONS THAT I KNOW OF.
IT'S, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS INCREDIBLE.
THE WAY THEY'RE IDENTIFYING THESE PEOPLE IS THROUGH DNA TESTING OF THEIR FAMILIES, AND IT ALL GOES INTO A REGISTRY AND AS THEY FIND REMAINS, THEY'RE CONNECTING PEOPLE AND, AND GETTING THAT CLOSURE.
SO I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD ONE IN LEANDER.
[11. Staff Reports Public Works update]
RIGHT.UH, THIS IS THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, WATER UPDATE FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, I'LL GO OVER THE LAKE STORAGE, THE DAILY USAGE, UH, OUR CONNECTION GROWTH, AND THEN SOME OF OUR CONSERVATION ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
NOT A LOT OF CHANGE WITH THE LAKE LEVELS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT'S NOT HOT ANYMORE, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GETTING RAIN.
SO, UM, IT'S ONLY DOWN ABOUT 2%, UM, FROM LAST, LAST YEAR, I'M SORRY, LAST MONTH.
UM, SO AGAIN, LITTLE RAIN, UH, AND THE DROUGHT IS PERSISTING.
UH, I USUALLY SHOW THIS MAP ON A BIGGER SCALE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS.
BUT, UM, DAN AND I ATTENDED AN LC A FROM WATER CUSTOMER MEETING LAST WEEK AND THEY, UM, KIND HAVE THIS ZOOMED IN COPY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY NEAT CUZ IT SHOWS OUR BASIN AND KIND OF WHERE EXACTLY OUR, OUR WATERS FALL THAT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR LAKES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF EXTREME TO SEVERE DROUGHT, UM, IN, IN THE WHOLE, UM, COLORADO RIVER BASIN AND EVEN SOME EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT DOWN HERE KIND OF SOLVE THE BUS.
SO, UM, THERE'S, THE LAKES ARE STILL SEEING VERY LITTLE INFLOW.
WE'VE ONLY HAD A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, SMALL RAINS IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
OUR WATER USAGE, UM, FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER ON THE, THE SECOND WE CAME OUT OF THE B C RIDE REPAIR, EXCUSE ME.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY, UH, USAGE INCREASE WHERE PEOPLE GOT BACK TO KINDA NORMAL OPERATIONS.
WE AVERAGED ABOUT 10 MILLION GALLONS, UH, FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL.
UM, IT WAS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT WE HIT 10,800 ACRE FEET, SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST, UH, AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE'VE USED.
THE HIGHEST NUMBER WAS THE MONTH OF, I'M SORRY, THE YEAR OF 2020, UH, WHERE WE HAD 10,600.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO, STARTING TO USE, USE MORE WATER WITH OUR POPULATION.
UM, THIS GRAPH, UH, SHOWS THE USAGE WITH THE TEMPERATURE AND THE RAIN.
AS I MENTIONED, JUST A COUPLE INSTANCES OF RAIN THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
I THINK WE HAD THE, JUST A COUPLE INCHES OF RAIN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE MONTH.
UM, HERE WAS THE END OF THE REPAIR.
SO B C R U A IS SHOWN IN GREEN AND KIND OF KICKS BACK IN.
WE WERE ABOUT 55% B C R U A WATER AND 45% SANDY CREEK FOR THAT MONTH OF, UM, OCTOBER.
AND OUR CONNECTION GROWTH, UM, WE SAW ABOUT 2,700 CONNECTIONS FROM OCTOBER LAST YEAR TO OCTOBER.
UM, IT'S DOWN FROM PREVIOUS YEARS WHERE WE WERE AT 12.9 AND 15.7 BEFORE WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, 3000 TO, TO 3,100 CONNECTIONS.
SO IT'S SLOWING, BUT WE'RE STILL AT DOUBLE DIGIT GROWTH, WHICH IS A LOT.
SOME OF OUR CONSERVATION ACTIVITIES THAT WE DID IN OCTOBER, UM, I MENTIONED THE V C R U A REPAIR ENDED, BUT THROUGHOUT
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THE WHOLE REPAIR WE FIELDED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, EITHER PEOPLE JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, CONSERVATION, UM, TONS OF QUESTIONS, UM, PEOPLE THAT GOT NOTICES FOR VIOLATIONS, THAT KIND OF THING.SO, AND THEN IF YOU REMEMBER, WE LOCKED OUT, UM, ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL USERS THAT WE COULD.
UM, SO AS WE UNLOCKED THEM, BILL VISITED 62 OF THOSE SITES AND ASSURED THAT THOSE LARGE WATER USERS WERE ON THE CORRECT SCHEDULE.
SO THAT WAS A HUGE, HUGE EFFORT AND A, AND VERY, VERY APPRECIATED.
WE SIGNED ON AS A WATER SENSE, UH, PROGRAM PARTNER FOR THE CITY OF LANDERS.
SO WATER SENSE IS A FEDERAL KIND OF WELL ESTABLISHED INITIATIVE WHERE THEY TEST THE PRODUCTS, UM, PUT LIKE A LITTLE STAMP ON 'EM, SAY IT'S A WATER SENSE PRODUCT, UM, SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, ARE TRIED AND TRUE AND WATER SAVING PRODUCTS, BATHROOM FIXTURES, IRRIGATION, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, THE GROUP PROMOTES CONSERVATION, BUT THEY ALSO PROVIDE US ACCESS TO A BUNCH OF RESOURCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXCITING, UH, PARTNERSHIP.
WE HOSTED, UM, OUR FIRST AGRILIFE EXTENSION.
THIS WAS THE LANDSCAPING AND GARDENING EVENT WITH THE COMPOSTING AND TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DO MORE CONSERVATION, AWARE GARDENING AND, UM, USE LESS HARMFUL CHEMICALS.
AND IT WAS REALLY WELL RECEIVED.
WE HAD 22, 22 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, WE HAD NUMEROUS PEOPLE ACTUALLY ASK IF WE COULD GET IT RECORDED.
UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD ONE.
UM, AND I WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO MAKE, UM, MORE EVENTS LIKE THESE.
AND THEN KIND OF IN THE WORKS WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THIS SPRING, UM, AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT NOW IS A RAIN BARREL SALE.
SO WE PARTNER WITH, UM, A COMPANY THAT SELLS THE RAIN BARRELS AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE OR CHEAPER PRICE THAN YOU WOULD FIND AT YOUR LOCAL HARDWARE STORE.
UM, SO THEY TAKE ALL THESE ORDERS AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS HOST THE EVENT.
SO WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DO IT AT PUBLIC WORKS, UM, WHERE WE SAY, YOU KNOW, COME PICK UP YOUR BARREL ON SATURDAY.
AND UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY CONTRIBUTION THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAKE TO IT.
SO, UM, THEY'RE 50 50 GALLON BARRELS, UM, ROUND ROCK HOUSTON, THOSE FOLKS HAVE DONE THE DONE THE SALE BEFORE AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT IN THE SPRING.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO START GET, GETTING THAT WORD OUT, UM, HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
THAT'S ALL I HAD, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL, DO WE KNOW, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE RAIN BARRELS? I THINK THEY'RE LIKE ALMOST $80, 77 50 IS THE NUMBER I HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S $77 AND 50 CENTS.
SO IT'S A 50 50 GALLON BARREL.
UM, SO I THINK I LOOKED IT UP ONLINE AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, 150 IF YOU BUY 'EM LOCAL.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY DO THEY CAN INSTALL THEM? NO
I THINK YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM UP.
UM, SO WE'LL, AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THE PERMITTING QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND KIND OF OUR WEBPAGE AND WHATNOT CUZ I CHECKED IN WITH ROBIN TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
SO, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, ITEM 34 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY AS COUNCIL MEMBER MATT LONGORIA WILL BE RECUSING HERSELF FROM THIS ITEM.COUNSEL, YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT ITEMS 12 THROUGH 33.
ALL THIS IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER LAN GORIA IF YOU WANT TO EXCUSE YOURSELF.
ITEM 34, AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF LAPTOPS, TABLETS, DOCKING STATIONS, AND ASSOCIATED PERIPHERALS FROM DELL MARKETING LP FOR USE IN POLICE VEHICLES UTILIZING DIR CONTRACT NUMBER DIR TSO 37 63 IN THE AMOUNT OF $61,258 AND 12 CENTS.
AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION, AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[35. Discuss and consider action on casting ballot for representative member of the Board of Directors of the Travis Central Appraisal District.]
ITEM 35, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON CASTING BALLOT FOR REPRESENTATIVE MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.TONIGHT IS THE, UM, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO CAST, UM, ONE VOTE, UH, FOR THE, UM, WESTERN DISTRICT, UM, MEMBER OF THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL
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DISTRICT.THE INCUMBENT TOM BULE IS ON THE BALLOT AS WELL AS, UH, A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF ROBERT LAWRENCE, WHO IS, I BELIEVE NOMINATED, UH, BY THE, UH, CITY OF LAGO VISTA.
UH, THE, THE BOARD IS A 10 MEMBER BOARD.
UH, THE LEANDER IS ONE OF 19 CITIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE WESTERN PART OF THAT HAS TERRITORY IN WESTERN TRAVIS COUNTY.
SO COLLECTIVELY, UH, THE 19 MEMBERS IN THE WESTERN DISTRICT MAJORITY WILL SELECT, UM, UH, BETWEEN THESE TWO CANDIDATES.
BUT, UH, TONIGHT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO CASH YOUR, YOUR VOTE STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
UH, WE CERTAINLY DEAL WITH THEIR STAFF, NOT THE BOARD MEMBERS, BUT, UH, UM, WE, UH, APPRECIATE THE, THE SUPPORT WE GET FROM THEM.
IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING EVERY YEAR.
IS THAT A MOTION? I'LL SECOND.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE THOMAS BUCKLE FOR RUTH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[36. Discuss and consider action on a Subrecipient Agreement between Williamson County and the City of Leander for American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding in the amount of $3,500,000.00 to reimburse expenses related to the Northline reclaimed water system (CIP WW.46); and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]
ITEM 36, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF LEANDER FOR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT ARPA FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,500,000 TO REIMBURSE EXPENSES RELATED TO THE NORTHLINE RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM, C I P WW 46, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, GRIM BO.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL DAN GRIMM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, YES, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE BRINGING, UH, TO THE COUNCIL IS THE APPLICATION WE NEED TO SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY FOR THE, UH, 3.5 MILLION.
AND THIS PROJECT IS, IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE REUSE FROM THE WASTE OF OUR TREATMENT PLANT, UM, THAT CAN BE USED FOR IRRIGATION OR WET PONDS OR INDUSTRY FOR COOLING TOWERS.
AND SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED A SERVICE AREA THAT ONCE WE DEVELOP THE LINE, UM, WE'RE GONNA START LOOKING AT HORIZON LAKE, ALREADY BUILT A PURPLE PIPE, UH, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE NORTHLINE, OF COURSE, UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER, OTHER, UM, INDUSTRY TYPE, UH, BUSINESSES THAT CAN FACILITATE, USE IT AS WE USE WATER.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THE STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVING THE CITY MANAGER, SIGNING ALL DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TO THE COUNTY.
SECOND MOTION AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[37. Council Member Future Agenda Items [Any deliberation of or decision about the subject of the inquiry shall be limited to a proposal to place the subject on the agenda for a subsequent meeting.]]
ITEM NUMBER 37, COUNCIL MEMBER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANY DELIBERATION OF OR DECISION ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE INQUIRY SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE SUBJECT ON THE AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS? ALL RIGHT,
[38. Council Member Closing Statements.]
ITEM 38, COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS.UH, JUST HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE AT, UH, THE GRAND REOPENING OF THE, UM, DRIVING RANGE THIS SATURDAY, 10 O'CLOCK.
AND THEN GOING OVER TO LAKEWOOD PARK FOR THE FESTIVAL.
UM, I WANNA SAY PUMPKIN FESTIVAL CUZ OF THE PUMPKIN LITTLE, OR, I KNOW IT'S HARVEST FESTIVAL, BUT THEY GIVE AWAY THE LITTLE PUMPKINS, BUT IT'S HARVEST FESTIVAL, WHICH STARTS AT EIGHT 30, SO BE THERE FOR THE 5K AT EIGHT 30.
I WON'T BE THERE, UM,
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND IF YOU CELEBRATE, THANKS.
SO, UM, EARLY THANKSGIVING, THE SHOUT OUTS TO OUR FAMILY AND I'M SO THANKFUL FOR THEM.
BUT ON A SEPARATE NOTE, I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR LIKE THE, THE ROW OF STUDENTS THAT WERE UP HERE.
LIKE THERE TO SEE THE YOUTH, BE ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO BE DOING STUFF LIKE YOU'RE DOING.
UM, IT REALLY GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE HOPE FOR SOME OF US THAT GIVE OUR TIME UP HERE AND TAKE A LOT OF SHOTS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS.
AND IT GIVES ME HOPE AND I'M THANKFUL, UM, FOR WHAT Y'ALL DO.
SO, UM, JUST A REMINDER IN THE, IN THE FRONT ROW RIGHT NOW.
BUT I WAS JUST GONNA THANK MY FAMILY, BUT I KNEW THANK YOU ALL TOO.
AND, AND THANK YOUR PARENTS FOR, UM, FOR ENCOURAGING TO DO THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT.
YOU ALL RIGHT? AS ALWAYS, IN AN EFFORT TO SHOP LOCAL, WHEN COUNCIL AND STAFF HAS DINNER BEFORE OUR MEETINGS, WE ARE BUYING IT RIGHT HERE IN LEANDER AS WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THE SAME.
SO TONIGHT WE HAD A WONDERFUL PIZZA FROM SOUTHERN'S PIZZA.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW SOUTHERN'S, IT IS LOCALLY OWNED AND OPERATED RIGHT ON OLD 180 3 AND IT'S FANTASTIC.
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UM, I THINK EVERYBODY DID A GREAT JOB OF COVERING, UM, SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP.OF COURSE, THROUGHOUT THE, THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS THERE ARE TONS OF THINGS COMING UP.
SO AS WE LOOK PAST NOVEMBER, START GETTING READY FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE.
DECEMBER 3RD IS THE FIRST SATURDAY IN DECEMBER EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
AND UM, THIS IS ALSO SORT OF THE INFORMAL KICKOFF OF BLUE SANTA.
SO AS YOU ARE MAKING YOUR PLANS FOR THE PARADE AND CHRISTMAS SHOPPING AND ALL OF THE THINGS, KEEP IN MIND ALL OF THE KIDS THAT NEED A CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR AND START GETTING YOUR BLUE SANTA PRESENTS TOGETHER AND BRING 'EM TO THE PARADE ON THE THIRD.
[39. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to Section 551.087, Texas Government Code to deliberate proposed economic development incentives for one or more business prospects that the governmental body seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body and with which the governmental body is conducting economic development negotiations related to the following project(s): Project Fulcrum. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding Project Fulcrum.]
GOING TO GO TO ITEM 39, CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 7:32 PM PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5 1 0.087 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS AND THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE, LOCATE, STAY OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATED TO THE FOLLOWING PROJECT, PROJECT FULCRUM AND WE ARE AN EXECUTIVE.HI, WE ARE RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION AT 7:41 PM TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING PROJECT FULCRUM.
MAYOR PROTE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE A THREE 80 AGREEMENT REGARDING PROJECT FULCOM AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS? SECOND MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING WITH US TO THIS LATELY HOUR.
WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7:42 PM HAPPY THANKSGIVING.