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[1. Call to Order.]
TO THE FEBRUARY 23RD, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE CITY OF LEANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
[3. Director’s report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on actions taken by the City Council at the February 16, 2023, meeting]
AND NOW WE'LL BE ON TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.I AM REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE FEBRUARY 16TH MEETING.
UM, THEY COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE WINDING OAK PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT STARTED OUT WITH TOWNHOUSES AND COMMERCIAL, AND THEY, UM, CHANGED THE REQUEST TO JUST COMMERCIAL THAT WAS APPROVED.
THEN THEY ALSO HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOL CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLOT.
EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GRIFFIN.
UM, NEXT WE'LL GO OVER THE MEETING PROTOCOL.
THE MEETING PROTOCOL IS ON THE BOARD ON TWO CITIZENS COMMENTS, UH, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT IS ABOUT AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, UH, YOU HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO ABOUT AN, AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, SIR? YEAH.
I'LL, I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU THEN.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
NAA, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY VICE CHAIR LANTRIP AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[8. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0048 to amend the current zoning of TF-2-B (Two-Family) to adopt the Lion Drive Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base zoning district of SFT-2-A (Single-Family Townhouse) on three parcels of land approximately 1.14 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R619654, R619653, and R61952; and more commonly known as 507-519 Lion Drive, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0048 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z DASH 22 DASH 0 48.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF TF TWO B TWO FAMILY TO ADOPT THE LION DRIVE MINOR PUD WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF SFT TWO, A SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOUSE ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 1.14 ACRES IN SIZE.
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS, UH, AS STATED IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA.
STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICATION, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY FROM TWO FAMILY TO A MINOR PUD WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF S F T DASH TWO DASH A SINGLE FAMILY TOWN TOWNHOMES IN ORDER TO DEVELOP TOWNHOUSES ON THREE LOTS ALONG LION DRIVE WITH NO MORE THAN TWO ATTACHED PER LOT.
THE ALLOWABLE USE, UH, USES SHALL INCLUDE DUPLEXES AND THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO SIX UNITS TWO ON EACH LOT.
UH, THIS CASE ALSO INCLUDES A REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR THREE 12 ROOF PITCHES.
OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS FIVE 12.
UM, SOME KIND OF SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS HERE.
UH, THIS WILL NOT, THIS PROPOSAL WILL NOT INCREASE THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT.
UH, CHANGING FROM THE TF OR TWO FAMILY BASED DISTRICT TO THE S F T SINGLE-FAMILY TOWN HOME BASED DISTRICT, UH, WILL REDUCE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
UM, A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON NINE DASH 12 DASH 22.
THE FOLLOWING CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD, WHICH IS THIS REQUEST FROM TWO FAMILY TO A MINOR PUD WITH THE BASE ZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE.
UM, ADDITIONAL REQUESTS ARE TO ALLOW FOR THE MAX OF TWO ATTACHED UNITS AND A ROOF PITCH OF THREE 12.
UH, THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE CHANGES OCCURRED DURING THE DEVELOP, UH, FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING, WHICH MAY HAVE IMPACTED THE PROJECT.
UM, THE WATER RESOLUTION 22 DASH 0 3 1 0 0 WAS APPROVED ON 10 20 20 22.
UM, PUBLIC NOTICES HAVE BEEN MAILED OUT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
THE AGENT ALSO PERFORMED A NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF LOT ZONE SINGLE FAMILY OR ANY PROPERTIES USED AS SINGLE FAMILY AND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN 500 FEET.
NO CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND YOU CAN ALSO KIND OF REFERENCE THAT WITH THE, UM, ATTACHMENT NINE IN YOUR PACKET.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH LETTER.
UH, THIS PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, WHICH SUPPORTS THE, UM, S F T USE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE, UH, FIVE OF THE PLANNING ANALYSIS, YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS BETWEEN THE TWO ZONINGS.
THE DIFFERENCES, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST.
THE INTENT, A SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE USE COMPONENT IS TO PROVIDE MORE VARIETY AND HOUSING TYPES ALONG WITH SERVING AS A BUFFER BETWEEN MODERATE SIZE LOTS AND HIGHER DENSITY STANDARDS.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE PROPERTY DOES ALLOW FOR THE
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TWO FAMILY CURRENTLY.UH, BUT THIS ZONING WILL CHANGE AND ALLOW FOR LESS RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS.
UM, AGAIN, THE WAIVERS ARE ALLOWING THE THREE 12 ROOF PITCH AND ONLY TWO UNITS CAN BE, UH, ATTACHED PER LOT.
UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK HERE, THIS IS THE AERIAL.
YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED ZONING OF THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME.
THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH THAT WAS PERFORMED AND ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE INCLUDED.
UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH IS THAT TWO FAMILY.
UM, THEY WENT THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS AND PLATTED THREE DIFFERENT LOTS FROM THIS ONE.
AND THEY WERE GONNA USE DUPLEXES AS THE, BUT THE SETBACKS THAT THEY HAVE ARE NEEDED FOR THAT DESIGN HAVE BEEN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BE LESS RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE THAT DESIGN DID NOT, WAS NOT SUPPORTED UNDER THE TWO FAMILY.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I'LL BE AVAILABLE.
AND THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE IS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE HERE, BUT, UM, YEAH, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE AVAILABLE.
UH, NO APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
I PRESUME SINCE THERE'S NO APPLICANT PRESENT, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IF THERE'S ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONER.
MAY I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU? UM, BY CHANGING THE TO SFT, I KNOW THEY'RE ONLY INTENDING ON BUILDING SIX UNITS ON THE, UM, PROJECT.
UH, DOES THAT, WHAT, WHAT IF SOMEONE BUYS THIS IN THE FUTURE, TURNS IT ALL DOWN, CAN THEY PUT 18 UNITS ON THE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A NEW AMENDMENT TO THE PUT IF THIS WAS APPROVED.
SO IT'S A PUT THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES? YEAH, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THERE.
AND, UM, THE, THE THREE 12 ROOF PITCH IS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING PER THEIR DESIGN.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING MORE OF.
WITH THE NEWER HOME DESIGNS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ROOF PITCHES, SO THEY'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THE POINTED, LIKE THE POINT UP MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW IT.
I, I KNEW IN, I'M FROM OHIO, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE STEEPER ROOF PITCHES, THE SNOW COLLECTS ON THE ROOF AND ROOF COLLAPSE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT IN TEXAS, SO I'M GOOD.
COMMISSIONER MOSS, I'M STILL, EXCUSE ME, I'M STILL THINKING.
CAN YOU COME BACK TO ME PLEASE? OF COURSE.
COMMISSIONER OLIVER, UH, DO YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL SITE PLAN YET BASED ON THE SIX UNITS AND THE SETBACKS? LIKE, LIKE I'M MAINLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE BACK PORTION OF PROPERTY BEING IT'S BUTTING UP TO A SCHOOL AND WHAT THE SETBACK IS GONNA BE OR WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS DISTANCE FROM THE SCHOOL THAT AND THAT PROPERTY LINE.
YEAH, SO FOR THE TWO FAMILY, THE SETBACK IS 15 FROM THE REAR, AND THEN FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME, IT'S STILL 15.
SO THE MAIN SETBACK CHANGE REALLY IS THE FRONT FROM 20.
YOU HAVE THE, THE 10 FOOT OR THE 20 FOOT TO THE 10 FOOT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S A STAR.
THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 18 FEET LONG TO SUPPORT A DRIVEWAY.
SO USUALLY THERE'S A 18 FOOT, UM, GARAGE SETBACK.
IN THIS DESIGN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY MOVING IT NOT STREET FACING, SO IT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE FACING THE STREET, BUT WE STILL REQUIRE THAT A CAR FIT IN THAT PARKING SPOT.
SO THERE IS GONNA BE PROBABLY A 10 FOOT ON THE, THE GARAGE THAT'S NOT STREET FACING.
THAT'LL BE AT THE 10 FOOT, BUT THEN THE WHOLE HOUSE IS KIND OF PUSHED BACK, THE MAIN DWELLING PORTION.
UM, I WISH I HAD A PICTURE FOR YOU, BUT, UM, PRETTY MUCH, YEAH, 10 FOOT.
THAT FRONT SETBACKS GONNA BE THE MAIN CHANGE.
AND THE, DID THEY GIVE YOU, GIVE US ANY RENDERINGS AS FAR AS THOSE ROOF PATCHES GOING FROM FIVE 12 TO THREE 12? WE DO.
WE HAVE, UH, SO A SITE DEVELOPMENT WASN'T REQUIRED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE INITIAL ZONING, SO THEY JUST PLATTED IT.
AND THEY'RE PULLING BUILDING PERMITS.
SO EACH DUPLEX, UH, WILL HAVE ITS OWN BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE LANDSCAPING INSPECTIONS WILL HAPPEN.
THE SITE INSPECTIONS WILL BE FROM THAT ONE BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, SO THEY, WE DO HAVE BUILDING PERMITS IN PLACE, BUT NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED CUZ EVERYTHING'S PENDING THIS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT
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THE ROOF PITCH, SO I WON'T ASK THAT ONE.BUT AS IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, HOW MANY UNITS COULD THEY PUT ON THAT SITE? SAME AMOUNT, RIGHT? SIX.
AND I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO COMMISSIONER MOSS.
BUT WE REALLY DO WISH YOU HAD A PICTURE.
AND, UH, I'LL SAY THAT I ALSO HAVE NO, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I WILL SECOND, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[9. Discuss and consider action regarding Concept Plan Case CP-22-0013 to adopt the LC Hero Way Concept Plan on two parcels of land approximately 21.86 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031600 & R457677; generally located to the northwest of the intersection of Hero Way and Main Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0013 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING CONCEPT PLAN CASE CP DASH 22 DASH ZERO 13.TO ADOPT THE LC HERO WAY CONCEPT PLAN ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 21.86 ACRES IN SIZE.
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS AS STATED IN THE IN THE POSTED AGENDA.
UH, MICHAEL CHENOWSKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, UH, WITH CONSIDERATION TO THE REQUESTED WARRANTS.
UH, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ANNEXED, UH, BACK IN 2002 AND 2005.
UH, THE ZONING WAS APPROVED IN 2005 AS PART OF THE LEANDER STATION PUD, AND THE CONCEPT PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2021.
AT THAT TIME, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE, UH, ON THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, UH, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT IT HAD, UH, A FEW WARRANTS, UH, AS PART OF THAT REQUEST.
SO ONE OF THEM BEING, UH, INCREASED BUILDING SETBACK ALONG HERO WAY.
UH, THE STREETS WERE MEANT TO BE PRIVATE STREETS, UH, OR, AND TO ACT AS PUBLIC STREETS.
UM, THERE WOULD BE LIMITED PARKING ON THE SECOND LAYER OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET IN HIWAY, UH, AND, UH, A WAIVER TO THE MINIMUM 80% BUILDING FRONTAGE FOR THE NORTHEAST BLOCK OF THE SITE.
UH, THOSE WARRANTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED ARE BEING REMOVED WITH THIS NEW AMENDMENT.
UM, SO THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES 15.84 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS A REDUCTION FROM THE 17.99 ACRES.
PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, 2.35 ACRES OF MIXED USE, UH, TO BE 90, USED AS 90% COMMERCIAL, UH, WHICH IS A REDUCTION FROM THE 2.57 ACRES AND AN INCREASE IN CIVIC SPACE FROM 1.3 ACRES TO 3.31 ACRES.
NOW THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CREATE UPDATED STREET THOROUGHFARES WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, THIS IS PERMITTED AS A WARRANT THROUGH THE SMART CODE.
UM, AND SO THESE, UH, THOROUGHFARES MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE ON THIS, UH, SLIDE, BUT IT WOULD BE THIS STREET RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN, UH, THIS ALLEY BACK HERE, UM, THERE WAS A TYPO ON THE COVER SHEET.
WE HAVE GOT IT, UH, CORRECTED, UH, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO, UH, THE AGENDA.
SO THAT'S WHAT I PRINTED OUT, UH, FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, SO THERE WAS A LIST OF WARRANTS THAT WERE TO BE REMOVED WITH THE FINAL SUBMITTAL.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS TWO WARRANTS.
ONE KIND OF NEGATED THE OTHER ONE.
UM, THEY BOTH SAID THE SAME THING, BUT ONE SAID TO REMOVE IT.
SO WE'VE INCLUDED THAT, UH, ON THIS FINAL DRAFT THAT WOULD BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THAT IS, UH, TO ALLOW THE PRIVATE FRONTAGES TO ALSO INCLUDE A STRUCTURE, UH, TO COVER THE STOOP, UH, NO DEEPER THAN SEVEN FEET.
AND THIS IS JUST TO, UH, MEET THE INTENT OF THE SMART CODE BY ALLOWING A VARIATION IN BUILDING DESIGN, UH, ALONG WITH PROTECTING, UH, PEDESTRIANS FROM THE ELEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE IS AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION, BUT I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, UH, AFTER THAT.
APPLICANT PRESENTATION, THIS IS JUST A POINT.
I'M LEAH BOJO WITH JENNER GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, I HAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION.
IN ALL HONESTY, I DON'T THINK I COVER ANYTHING THAT MICHAEL DIDN'T COVER.
SO
UM, OR TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES WE MADE.
I DO HAVE, UM, I DO HAVE AN EXHIBIT OF, SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE HAD APPROVED, UM, JUST OVER A YEAR AGO.
AND THEN HERE'S KIND OF A SUMMARY AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH THINGS THAT MICHAEL COVERED, BUT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE NO CHANGE TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS, A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE TO THE MIX USE SPACE, A PRETTY BIG INCREASE IN THE CIVIC AND OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND THEN WE, WE WERE ABLE TO REMOVE FAIR AMOUNT OF OUR WARRANTS.
AND THEN HERE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE OUR CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE A NICE PICTURE OF WHAT WE HOPE IT'LL LOOK LIKE.
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THANK YOU.UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I GUESS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE DONE REALLY BENEFIT OR ARE BETTER, AREN'T THEY? THERE'S MORE, MORE PARK SPACE OR MORE CIVIC SPACE THAN IT'S FROM IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS.
THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.
VICE CHAIR LAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER OLIVER? YEAH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
IS THERE GONNA BE, UH, ANY ACCESS OR WALKWAY TO THE, TO THE, UH, LEANER STATION APPEARS OR MIGHT BE ON THE MAP YOU HAVE HERE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN? THERE IS, UM, THERE IS A CONNECTION.
THERE ARE TWO CONNECTIONS TO THE TRAILS.
THERE'S THE RED LINE EXTENSION CONNECTION OVER ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
AND THEN, UM, ALL OF THOSE TRAILS, UM, KIND OF IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UM, WE'LL CONNECT TO THE RED LINE STATION AND TO, AND TO ALL OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THERE IN THAT WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND THEN, UM, GIVEN, GIVEN THE DENSITY OF THIS AREA, WE'VE GOT TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALREADY IN THE AREA AND THERE'S FOUR 30 UNITS GOING IN HERE.
DID WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR WAS THERE ANY STUDIES ON TRAFFIC ON HERO WAY AND WHAT THE IMPACT'S GONNA BE THERE? OR HAVE WE LOOKED INTO THAT FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE? CUZ YOU'RE ADDING 430 MORE UNITS THIS AREA, PLUS YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE ALREADY ALONG HERO WAY THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER.
SO MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC DENSITY AND THE, THE ROADWAY MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO CARRY ALL OF THIS.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO NOTE THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN DENSITY WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
SO, UM, IT HAS BEEN, UH, LOOKED AT, BUT WE WILL LOOK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THAT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S FOR RECORD THAT WE, WE NOTE THAT.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS A THE LOT, UM, LET GET TO IT HERE.
SO R 0 3 1 600, UH, THAT'S THAT WHITE OPEN LOT THERE.
UH, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT ZONE IS? IS THAT COMMERCIAL OR IS THAT ALSO MULTI-FAMILY OR MIXED USE? THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS A PUD COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UM, WILL THEY BE BUILDING, WILL, WILL YOU ALL BE BUILDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL FIRST AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL OR SIMULTANEOUSLY OR HOW IS THIS PROJECT? WE WILL BE BUILDING THE MULTI-FAMILY FIRST.
THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WILL COME FIRST.
I HAVE A BETTER ANSWER FOR YOU.
COMMISSIONER MAY NO QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, THE GLORY OF BEING THE CHAIR IS I GET TO SPEAK A LOT, BUT I DON'T EVER GET TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS CAUSE THE COMMISSIONERS ALWAYS ASK GREAT QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, WE'LL JUST MENTION THAT THIS IS AN ACTION IT MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY VICE CHAIR ANTROP, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOSS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[10. Receive a presentation regarding the parkland dedication ordinance requirements.]
UH, ONTO OUR REGULAR DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT.UH, WE DO HAVE AN, I AM NOT TURNED ON, SORRY.
ITEM NUMBER 10, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE PARKING LOT, DEDICATION, ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.
WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
SO BEFORE MR. CUMMINS COMES UP, WE'LL LET MR. ST.
JAMES COME UP AND, UH, SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
SIR, JUST SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I LIVE HERE IN LEANDRA, 1817 ARTESIAN SPRINGS, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF IN FAVOR OF THE DISCUSSION THAT MR. TOMINS IS GOING TO BRING UP ON, ON PARKLAND DEDICATION.
UM, I'VE SERVED FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ON MR. TOMINS PARKS AND RECREATIONS COMMITTEE ON, ON THAT BOARD.
AND IN THIS TIME I AM, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE IS NO TOPIC REMOTELY AS IMPORTANT AS THIS ONE OF PARKLAND DEDICATION.
I I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT GOING BACK FURTHER YEARS, THERE HASN'T BEEN A TOPIC MORE IMPORTANT THAN, THAN THIS TOPIC HERE.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSS CONSTANTLY.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE EDUCATE EVERYONE ABOUT.
AND RATHER THAN STEAL HIS THUNDER, THERE'S SOMETHING I'D I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU.
WE ALL KNOW WE LIVE IN LEANDER, THAT WE'RE KIND OF WOEFULLY SHORT ON PARKS, RIGHT? EVERYONE HAS THAT SENSE.
WE'VE DONE OUR SHARE OF SURVEYS AND WE'VE FOUND THAT ACTUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING MORE AND MORE IS THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, WHEN THEY NEED TO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO GO PLAY SPORTS OR RIDE BICYCLES, THEY HAVE TO LEAVE TOWN.
THEY HAVE TO GO TO GEORGETOWN, THEY HAVE TO GO TO WILCO, BUT
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THEY HAVE TO LEAVE LEANDER.UM, TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, SOME HARD NUMBERS ACROSS THE, THE COUNTRY, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF PARKS PER PARK, ACREAGE PER CITIZEN, THE WAY IT'S, IT'S MEASURED DIGITALLY, HOW MANY ACRES, PARK ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
THE AVERAGE IS 10 AND A HALF ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
FOR EVERY MUNICIPAL PARK IN CENTRAL TEXAS, WE'RE ABOVE THE AVERAGE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 13 AND A HALF ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
WE DO A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE, UH, ACROSS THE NATION WITHIN THAT AREA HERE, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORING TOWNS, WE HAVE EXAMPLES LIKE CEDAR PARK HAS ABOUT 12 ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
GEORGETOWN HAS SOMETHING LIKE 17.
PFLUGERVILLE HAS 15, SAN MARCOS HAS 18.
AUSTIN HAS A WHOPPING 22 ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
AND WITHIN THAT, YOU COME UP WITH THE, THE 13 AND A HALF IS, WHICH IS THE AVERAGE ONCE YOU INCLUDE LEANDER.
AND OUR NUMBER IS SIX AND A HALF.
WE ARE WAY BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
WE ARE DRAGGING DOWN THE AVERAGE OF CENTRAL TEXAS.
AND THAT IS THE SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT PROVES WITHOUT A DOUBT, THAT WE ARE VERY SHORT ON, ON, UM, PARKLAND ON, ON, ON PARKLAND.
UM, THE THING THAT WORRIES ME AS, AS SOMEONE WHO'S PASSIONATE ABOUT PARKS AND PARKLAND, IS THAT WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO RAISE MONEY TO ACQUIRE PARKLAND AND HAVE THOSE PARKS, NOT JUST LITTLE PLAZAS, BUT ACTUAL PARKS WHERE YOU CAN RIDE YOUR BIKE AND PLAY SPORTS, HAVE SOCCER FIELDS, HAVE BASEBALL FIELDS, HAVE ALL THE STUFF THAT WE WANT OUR KIDS TO PLAY.
THIS IS A TOWN THAT HAS A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN IT, MEANING A LOT OF SMALL CHILDREN.
THERE'S A NEED, DESPERATE NEED FOR KIDS TO HAVE THEIR BASEBALL FIELDS, SOCCER FIELDS, ET CETERA, ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, I URGE YOU TO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT MR. TAMMS HAS TO SAY AND SAY, SIR, YES, SIR.
AND, UM, AND, UH, JUST, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, I I CAN'T EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.
SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND WITH THAT DIRECTOR CUMMINS, SIR? YES, SIR.
MARK CUMMINS, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
JAMES HAS LISTENED VERY WELL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND I APPRECIATE HIM BEING HERE.
OUR WHOLE BOARD HAS, UM, BEEN VERY, VERY ACTIVE AND VERY SUPPORTIVE OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, COUPLE THINGS BEFORE I GET INTO THE ACTUAL POWERPOINT, UM, JUST TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PARKLAND DEDICATION, IT MAY BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT, UH, UNFAMILIAR TO YOU IN A CERTAIN REGARD, BUT WE'RE GONNA DIVE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION IS A, IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENT IMPOSED ON, UH, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, STATE AND STATE, UH, SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS, WHICH MANDATES THE DEDICATION OF LAND FOR PARK AND OR THE PAYMENT OF A FEE TO BE USED BY THE CITY OR THE GO GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY TO ACQUIRE LAND OR DEVELOP PARK FACILITIES.
UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, ACTUALLY.
UM, AND YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHICH.
THE, THE STATE ENACTED THE VERY FIRST PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE THAT IT WAS THE, UH, COMMUNITY IN THE STATE OF MONTANA OF ALL PLACES IN 1909.
UM, TEXAS FOLLOWED, IT WAS A FEW YEARS LATER, NOT UNTIL THE MID 1950S THAT TEXAS BEGAN, UH, UH, USING SOME CITIES BEGAN USING PARKLAND DEDICATION AS A WAY TO HELP IN, UH, CREATE, CREATE PARKS AND PARK AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
UM, AND SO, AND THEN IT REALLY WASN'T UNTIL 1984 AND, AND THERE WAS A HANDFUL UP UNTIL ABOUT THAT TIME.
BUT 1984, THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT RULED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS REQUIRING PART LINE DEDICATION OR FEES IN LIEU WAS A VALID EXERCISE OF CITY POLICE POWERS BECAUSE IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY RELATED TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE.
OUR CITY STAFF CURRENTLY, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, HAVE CONCLUDED THAT EXISTING PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE AND FORMULA FOR THE, FOR DETERMINING THE AMOUNT OF LAND REQUIRED AND ASSOCIATED FEES ARE CURRENTLY INSUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT QUALITY OF LIFE AND DEMAND PLACED UPON THE CITY BY THE TREMENDOUS INFLUX OF NEW RESIDENTS DURING THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SIMPLY THE DEMANDS PLACED UPON THE CITY BY THE INFLUX OF THOUSANDS OF NEW RESIDENTS HAVE RESULTED IN LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE.
JAMES SAID, SEEING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO, ONCE YOU REACH A MAXIMUM, AND I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE HAVE FIVE, WE HAVE FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS AND ONE SOFTBALL FIELD, FIVE FIELDS ALTOGETHER.
OUR FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS THIS YEAR ARE SERVING, SERVICING OVER 750 KIDS.
THE AVERAGE FOR A BALL FIELD IS BETWEEN 80 AND ABOUT 110, 110 BEING VERY MAX.
SO YOU CAN DO THE MATH AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, OUR ONE SOFTBALL FIELD IS LIMITED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF GIRLS.
WE USUALLY, WE PLAY U U U 10 AND U 12.
WE DON'T HAVE U FOUR, WE DON'T HAVE U SIX, WE DON'T HAVE U EIGHT.
WE JUST CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT ON ONE FIELD.
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LOOKING AT, OBVIOUSLY, WAYS TO HELP THE CITY, UH, ENSURE THAT THERE ARE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES TO, UM, CARRY US INTO THE FUTURE.UM, COUPLE OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK.
AN, AN APPEALING FEATURE OF PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT IT IS RESPONSIVE TO THE MARKET CONDITIONS, AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE REVISION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE MARKET CONDITIONS.
MANY OF OUR COUNTERPARTS ACROSS THE STATE HAVE EITHER RECENTLY REVISED THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE, OR NOW IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SO, WE WERE JUST SPEAKING WITH HUK.
UM, AND THEY ARE, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD, THEY'VE HAD PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR NUMBER OF YEARS, AND THEY ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE.
GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK, AUSTIN, NEW BRONZEVILLE, EVERY ONE OF 'EM HAVE, HAVE, HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS.
UM, LEANDER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN 2019 BASED ON GENERAL FUNDS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DOLLARS ALONE.
WE WILL ALWAYS BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL IN PROVIDING ESSENTIAL PARKS AND PARK FACILITIES AND MEET THE DEMAND OF AN EVER-GROWING COMMUNITY.
I'M HERE TONIGHT, UH, AND CARLOS WITH ME AS WELL, UM, TO STRICTLY PROVIDE SOME EDUCATION, BUT REALLY SEEK FEEDBACK FROM YOU.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FEEDBACK AND INSIGHT.
UH, AND WE'LL PROVIDE ANY FOLLOW UP AS NEEDED.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS THAT I, I JUST WILL HAVE TO GO RESEARCH AND, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, BUT AS, AS WE MOVE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'LL SEE THROUGH THE POWERPOINT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE DOWN THE ROAD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND, UH, BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR ADOPTION OF, UH, SUBDIVISION RE ADOPTION, I GUESS, IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? UH, REVISION AMENDMENT.
UM, FOR OUR SUBDIVISION, UM, ORDINANCE.
SO WE'LL JUMP INTO THE POWERPOINT AND, UM, MOVE FORWARD.
IS THERE A WAY TO LET ME GET THIS ON TO JUST, IS THERE A WAY, ROB, THERE, HERE AND EXPAND IT? IT IS WEIRD.
WELL, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST SHARE THE NEED FOR ENHANCED LEVEL OF SERVICE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE PARKLAND DEDICATION PURPOSE.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS ON THERE THAT I WANTED TO BRING OUT.
UH, OF COURSE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLIC, UH, PARKS, PUBLIC SPACES AND RECREATION, COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, WE HAVE CAREFULLY ASSESSED THE IMPACT ON THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM CREATED BY EACH NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE HAVE ESTABLISHED DEDICATION AND DEVELOPMENT COST REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO NOW AND HOW WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THE REQUIREMENTS CONSTITUTE AN INDIVIDUALIZED FACT BASED BASED DETERMINATION, SORRY, MY PROBABLY SHOULD.
HAD SOME WATER DETERMINATION OF THE IMPACT OF NEW LIVING UNITS ON THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM, AND ENSURE THAT NEW LIVING UNITS BEAR THEIR PROPORTIONAL SHARE OF THE COST OF PROVIDING PARKS AND RE RECREATION RELATED SERVICES.
PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS AND PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES ARE BASED UPON FORMULAS AND ALLOCATIONS ESTABLISHED.
AS WE WILL LOOK AT LATER IN THIS, UH, THIS POWERPOINT.
UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES ARE NOT IMPACT FEES, BUT FOLLOWING THE CATEGORY OF USER FEED, THE INTENT IS THAT THE LANDOWNER DEVELOPER AND NEW HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE CREATING THE BAN FOR NEW PARK FACILITIES SHOULD PAY FOR THE COST OF NEW PARKS.
JAMES MENTIONED, THERE ARE OVER 26 HOA POOLS AND SPLASH PADS, 40 HOA PLAYGROUNDS, 50 HOA FITNESS SHELTERS, AREAS MORE THAN A HUNDRED TABLES AND GRILLS, DOZENS OF MILES OF TRAIL, SEVERAL DOG RUNS, SEVEN BASKETBALL COURTS, ONE SOCCER FIELD, TWO TENNIS COURTS, TWO VOLLEYBALL COURTS, ABSOLUTELY ZERO.
BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, RUGBY, KICKBALL ACROSS CRICKET, ANY OF THOSE.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NONE IN ANY OF OUR HOA AREAS.
UM, ON, ON THE, ON FOR THOSE, THE CITY OF LANDER HAS ONE PUBLIC POOL, TWO SPLASH PARKS, SIX PLAYGROUNDS, 10 PICNIC SHELTERS, 45 PICNIC TABLES, TWO BASKETBALL COURTS, TWO SKATE PARKS, EIGHT SOCCER FIELDS, ONE DOG PARK, SEVERAL MILES A TRAIL, FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS, ONE SOFTBALL FIELD, ZERO MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, ZERO TICK TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS TO SERVE A POPULATION OF NEARLY A 90,000 PEOPLE.
I CAME FROM A COMMUNITY IN CLARKSVILLE, TENNESSEE.
WE HAD 160,000 PEOPLE AND WE HAD 56 BALL FIELDS.
SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY HALF OF THAT SIZE.
AND WE HAVE FIVE WHERE WE HAD 56 BALL FIELDS.
WE HAD GIRLS SOFTBALL COMPLEXES, ADULT SOFTBALL COMPLEXES, FIVE LITTLE LEAGUE COMPLEXES.
UM, SO JUST PUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE.
AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN TO OTHER PLACES.
YOU'VE SEEN THESE, UH, CITIES AS WELL, UM, THAT, UH, THAT HAVE MULTIPLE FACILITIES FOR THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CITIZENS.
AND THEY'RE THE SAME POPULATION AS WE ARE.
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UM, I WAS JUST DOING SOME RESEARCH ON, UM, THE CITY OF LONGVIEW, AND THEY'RE THE NUMBER OF BALL FIELDS AND, AND RECREATION FACILITIES.THEY HAVE REC THREE REC CENTERS, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS IN POPULATION THAN WE ARE.
SO WE, WE HAVE SOME PARK IDENTIFICATION.
ARE WE CONSIDER A MICRO POCKET OR MEETUP PARKS, I CALL 'EM MUPS.
UH, TYPICALLY THEY'RE VERY SMALL.
THEY'RE ANYWHERE FROM A QUARTER, TYPICALLY A QUARTER TO HALF AN ACRE.
UH, BUT SOMETIMES THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, GO UP TO MAYBE TWO ACRES.
NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS TYPICALLY ONE TO 10 ACRES.
UH, THEY SOMETIMES CAN BE AS LARGE AS 30 ACRES, BUT IT'S REALLY RARE THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, UH, IS, IS THAT SIZE MORE IN THE METROPOLITAN AREAS? DO YOU SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AS LARGE AS 30 ACRES? PLAYFIELD PARKS ALSO TYPICALLY 11 TO 25 ACRES, BUT CAN EXCEED AND, AND BE AS LARGE AS 50 COMMUNITY PARKS.
TYPICALLY, 26 TO 99 ACRES ALSO CAN BE AS LARGE AS 200 ACRES.
AND REGIONAL PARKS ARE CITYWIDE, OR MAJOR PARKS ARE TYPICALLY A HUNDRED ACRES PLUS.
UM, IT CAN BE ALSO UP TO FIVE, TO A HUNDRED TO 2000, 2000 ACRES.
AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THOSE IN OUR, OUR, OUR MAJOR METRO AREAS, THE CITY OF LAND PARKS, PARKLAND DEDICATION PROGRAM, SUPPORTING NEW HOA NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS IN OUR VIEWPOINT SHOULD DIMINISH AND OR CEASED.
CURRENTLY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PREVIOUS AND NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS PROVIDE SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS TO MEET THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS.
MANY TIMES YOU'LL SEE, UM, A SMALL ACRE, HALF ACRE, QUARTER ACRE, IT MIGHT HAVE A PLAYGROUND.
THEY MAY PUT IN A SPLASH PARK.
THEY MAY PUT IN A, A, SOME TYPE OF POOL, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S IT.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME TRAILS, THEY MAY, OF COURSE, A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, IS ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOUR MULTI-FAMILY.
AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE TOO.
SO THESE PARKS ARE DESIGNED SOLELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS NICE, BUT DOESN'T REALLY BENEFIT THE LARGER, UH, CONCEPT OF WHERE THOSE, THOSE KIDS, THOSE FAMILIES, ADULTS, WILL, UM, ACTUALLY RECREATE OUTSIDE OF THAT LITTLE SMALL LITTLE, LITTLE SPACE.
SO WHILE IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS, IT PLACES GREAT STRAIN OF LEVEL OF SERVICE TO MEET THE DEMAND FOR LARGE SCALE PARKS.
THIS IS BALLFIELD MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS AND EVEN OPEN SPA SPACE AND TRAILS COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARKS SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
AND WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER, LIKE I MENTIONED, OF 26, UM, UH, HOA PARKS.
BUT, UH, OUR, WE HAVE NONE, NO COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARKS OF THAT, THAT SIZE IN OUR HOAS.
THAT SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF A REVISED LAND OR PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE WITH THE UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH.
THE CITY OF LEANDER HAS OVER 35 NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, UH, HOA PARKS, BUT HAS ADDED NO NEW, NEW COMMUNITY PARKS AND ONLY ONE REGIONAL PARK, WHICH WAS LAKEWOOD PARK IN THE PAST DECADE.
THE CITY IS FALLING WAY SHORT AND PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARK LAND FOR BALL FIELDS AND SPORT COURTS, MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS, LARGE SCALE EVENT SPACE, OPEN SPACE, NATURAL AREAS, LINEAR TRAILS, AND GREEN BELTS.
WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AS MR. ST.
THE NATIONAL STANDARD IS, UH, 9.9 ACRES, UH, PER A PARKLAND PER A THOUSAND RESIDENTS, ESSENTIALLY ONE ACRE PER A HUNDRED RESIDENTS.
TEXAS STANDARD IS 12.4 ACRES, UH, PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS, OR 1.24 ACRES PER HUNDRED RESIDENTS.
AND TO MEET NATIONAL AND TEXAS STANDARDS, LAND OWNER SHOULD BE BETWEEN 860 AND 1,066 ACRES, UH, TO MEET THE, BASED ON THE POPULATION OF 84,000.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE 282.31 ACRES OF ACT ACTIVE PARKLAND.
AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE CRYSTAL FALLS, UH, GOLF COURSE.
CRYSTAL FALL IS DESIGNATED A CITY PARK, UH, WHICH IS, UM, UNIQUE FOR SOME CITIES, UH, MANY CITIES BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIALTY, UM, FACILITY.
MUNICIPAL GOLF, GOLF COURSES TYPICALLY ARE PART OF THE FACILITY INVENTORY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED PARKS.
BUT WE'VE CHOSEN BEFORE EVEN I ARRIVED, TO PUT THAT AS A PUBLIC PARK, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S A PROCESS TO FOLLOW IF YOU EVER DECIDED TO SELL OR GET RID OF THAT, THAT FACILITY THAT THAT GOLF COURSE, UM, WHICH MAKES IT NICE, IT'S A LE EXTRA LEVEL OF PROTECTION.
IT GIVES THE CITIZENS A, A, A SAY IN HOW THAT WOULD, UM, WOULD, YOU KNOW, EITHER GO AWAY OR BE RE RECONVERTED TO SOME OTHER PURPOSE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S ANOTHER A HUNDRED, ALMOST 140, 150 ACRES THAT ARE DESIGNATED PARK SPACE, BUT UNDEVELOPED AND NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE MOMENT.
PART OF THAT IS SAN GABRIEL AND SOME SMALLER AREAS.
UM, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 429.85 DESIGNATED PARK ACRES.
WE ROUNDED UP TO 430, BASICALLY.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE FIGURES, WE ARE LESS THAN 50% OF THE PARKLAND NECESSARY FOR EXPANDING AND EVER-GROWING COMMUNITY.
WE SHOULD ADD BETWEEN 430 AND 636 ACRES OF ACTIVE PARKS JUST TO ACHIEVE THE NATIONAL AND STATE STANDARDS FOR OUR CURRENT POPULATION.
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CITY OF LANDER, PLAIN DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZES, AND I THINK IT DROPPED JUST A LITTLE BIT, ROBIN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.UM, I, AND IT, IT WAS JUST LIKE 0.06.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG CHANGE, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE A, A HUGE DIFFERENCE, BUT, WE'LL, WE CAN RECALCULATE SOME FIGURES, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY SIMILAR ANYWAY.
SO, UH, BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS, A HUNDRED RESIDENTS DIVIDED BY THAT 3.34 EQUALS 29.97 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
CURRENTLY, ONE ACRE OF PARKLAND SERVES 196 CITY OF LEANDER RESIDENCE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE MATH THERE, 196 RESIDENCE PER ACRE DIVIDED BY THAT 3.34 IS 58.62 OR 60 DU PER ACRE.
CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF LEAN PROVIDES ONE ACRE OF PARKLAND PER, PER EVERY 60 DWELLING UNITS, ESSENTIALLY PLACING US AT LEAST 50% BELOW NATIONAL AND STATE STANDARDS.
SO TO ADEQUATELY INCREASED PARKLAND ACRES, ACREAGE IN LANDER, AND EVENTUALLY MEET NATIONAL AND STATE STANDARDS SHUT AT THE CITY SHOWED AT MINIMUM DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIRED FROM THREE AND A HALF ACRES PER 100 DU TO THE RECOMMENDED SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES PER 100 DUS.
OUR CURRENT PARKLAND DEDICATION, IF YOU'RE NOT TOTALLY FAMILIAR, OUR PER CURRENT PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS AS WE HAVE, UH, WE REQUIRE THREE AND A HALF ACRES PER 100 DUS.
OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 200 FOR, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, SORRY, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 250 DUS DIVIDED BY 100, 2.5 TIMES THREE POINT.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN 8.8 AND THREE QUARTER ACRES OF PARKLAND.
IF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CANNOT PROVIDE SOME OR ALL OF THEIR REQUIRED PARKLAND, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU, WHICH IS 1,050 PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF DUS THEY ARE, SHORT EXAMPLE, A 250 DU SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, 8.75 ACRES ARE REQUIRED, BUT ONLY PROVIDING FIVE ACRES, WHICH LEADS 'EM THREE AND, AND THREE QUARTER ACRES SHORT OF REQUIRED PARKLAND.
YOU CAN DO THE MATH AND THE ACTUAL FEE IN LIEU THAT THEY WOULD OWE THE CITY TO BE PLACED IN A PARKLAND DEDICATION FUND WOULD BE $105,000.
MULTI-FAMILY TYPICALLY PROVIDES VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, PARKLAND.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE WITH THEIR, UH, DU, SO I, I TOOK THE MAXIMUM NUMBER, 250 MULTI-FAMILY SOMETIMES DOES PROVIDE, THEY MAY HAVE A, A SMALL POOL, THEY MAY HAVE A, A GRILL AREA, AND WE WORK WITH 'EM AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO GET AS TO HELP THEM, UM, OBTAIN SOME TYPE OF PARKLAND.
UH, BUT TYPICALLY OUR MULTI-FAMILY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDING THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, OUR FEE AND LUU MONEY TO US.
IT'S NOT THE SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY CAN PRETTY MUCH COVER THEIR EIGHT AND A HALF, EIGHT AND THREE QUARTER ACRES.
IF THAT'S THE 250 DWELLING UNITS.
THEY, THEY, MOST OF THEM CAN DO THAT.
UM, UH, IT MAY BE A STRETCH FOR A COUPLE, BUT MOST OF 'EM CAN, CAN DO THAT.
SO MOST OF THE MONEY THAT WE RECEIVE FROM PARKLAND DEDICATION COMES FROM MULTI-FAMILY.
SO THE PROPOSED FORMULA, UH, WOULD BE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES PER 100 DU.
SAME EXAMPLE OF 250 D D UH, DWELLING UNITS DIVIDED BY A HUNDRED, UH, EQUALS 18 AND THREE QUARTER ACRES OF PARKLAND REQUIRED UNDER A CURRENT GUIDELINES ARE A PORTION OF ALL, OR A PORTION OF THE 18.75 ACRES COULD BE DEDICATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
BASED ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REVISION, ONLY 10% WOULD BE AVAILABLE OR REQUIRED TO BE CREDITED AS PARKLAND WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT, OR IN THIS CASE, A MAXIMUM OF JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN TWO ACRES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE.
AND CREDITED PARK PROPERTY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WOULD FOCUS PRIMARILY ON DEVELOPING PARKS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE ANTICIPATED RESIDENTS.
COULD INCLUDE OPEN SPACE, SIGNIFICANT TREE AREAS, AND REP REPAIRING CORRIDORS.
THE REMAINING BALANCE OF PARKLAND DEDICATION, THAT 16.875 ACRES WILL BE ASSESSED A FEE IN LIEU BASED ON THE FORMULA BELOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A MINUS A 10% TIMES V, WHICH IS THE VALUE AND EQUALS, UH, M THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO BE PAID IN THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO IN THIS, THIS REGARD, THE AREA OF LAND REQUIRED FOR DEDICATION IS 18.75.
WE'VE GONNA TAKE AWAY THE 10%.
THE FAIR MARKET VALUE PER ACRE OF THE PROPERTY IS ESTABLISHED BY ONE.
THE DEVELOPER CAN PROVIDE US COMPARABLE LAND SALES AND AREA PREPARED BY THE DEVELOPER, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION LAND BASED ON 20, AT LEAST UP TO 2020.
WE MAY LOOK AT THAT, BUT UP TO 20 20 20 ON WHAT THEIR, THE, THEY PAID FOR THAT LAND OR WHAT THE COMPARABLE LAND SALES ARE.
TWO, THE VALUE ESTABLISHED THROUGH AN OFFICIAL APPRAISAL CONDUCTED BY A THIRD PARTY OR $145,000 AN ACRE.
UH, WE WORKED WITH OUR ECONOMIC COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THAT'S THE, THE FIGURE OF WHAT WE SEE AS A GOING RATE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY IS $145,000 AN
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ACRE.AND THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS PAID IN FIEN LIEU FOR THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.
SO THE EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UM, THE 16.875 TIMES 145 IS NEARLY $2.5 MILLION.
THAT WOULD GO INTO PARKLAND DEDICATION AS A FEE AND LIE.
SO A SIDE BY SIDE, SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, CURRENTLY THAT SAME 250 DU UH, DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THERE.
AND IT LEADS TO $262, 262,500, UH, PLUS THE HUNDRED A HUNDRED, 105,000 FEE AND LIEU.
AND THEN, UH, THE PROPOSED WOULD EQUAL ABOUT 2.446 MILLION.
UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT EITHER ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW ARE, UM, UH, WE HAVE A PUBLIC ART COMPONENT FOR PER THE, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT LATER.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY 15% OF THE FEE IN LIEU GOES TO PUBLIC ART, CURRENT RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT FEE FOR LAND DEDICATION, BUT WE HAVE A, A RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE OR DEVELOPMENT FEE.
UH, CURRENTLY IT'S $400 PER DU UH, EXAMPLE, 250 DUS TIMES $400, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO PUT IN TO THE PARKS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING.
IF THEY PROVIDE ANY PARKS AT ALL.
UM, IF THEY DO PROVIDE PARKS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT THIS INTO ESCROW, THAT MONEY INTO ESCROW.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THE PARK IS COMPLETED, THEY WILL RECE RECEIVE A REFUND OF THAT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS 250 DU.
UM, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY THE MINIMUM BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES DEVELOPERS WILL PUT IN MUCH MORE THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
IT'S THE, THE COST HAVE ESCALATED TREMENDOUSLY.
AND SO IF THEY WANT TO PUT IN A POOL, THEY WANNA PUT IN TRAILS, THEY WANNA PUT IN WHATEVER, A BASKETBALL COURT WELL SKY COST OF SKYROCKET, THEY TYPICALLY ARE SPENDING MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND ON THE RECREATION IMPROVEMENT.
BUT THE, THE RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW A FEW MINUTES AGO.
UH, THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE RATE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EQUALS THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO BE PAID.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE LOOK AT $342,000 AN ACRE FOR DESIGN, ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS DEVELOPED PARK LINE, THEREFORE 342,000 ACRE PER ACRE DIVIDED BY 60 DUS IS $5,700.
NOW, WHERE DID I GET THAT? $342,000? WELL, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PLACES.
WE, WE LOOKED AT WHAT OUR CURRENT COSTS ARE FOR DEVELOPING PARKLAND, NOT ONLY IN OUR OWN CITY, BUT ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE, THE STATE AS WELL.
AND SO WE CAME UP WITH A FIGURE, UH, ALONG THOSE LINES OF 342,000, EXCUSE ME, 4, 340 2000 PER ACRE TO DEVELOP PARKLAND.
UH, NEW BRONZEVILLE DID A EXTENSIVE STUDY.
WE BORROWED SOME FROM THEM AS WELL.
VERY SIMILAR COMMUNITY TO US JUST ON THE, THE CORRIDOR OF I 35 LEADING DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO.
UM, AND SO WE LOOKED AT, AT THEIRS AND, UM, UH, AND THE REST, AND WE, WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A FAIR PRICE PER ACRE, INCLUDING ALL YOUR DESIGN, ENGINEERING, SITE DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITIES, UH, AND THEN DES AND THEN, UH, CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU HAVE 250 DUS TIMES, THAT 5,700 IS 1.425 MILLION FOR RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS OF WHICH TEMPE 10% CAN BE USED FOR SUBDIVISION PARK DEVELOPMENT, OR ESSENTIALLY 142,000.
SO THAT REALLY, THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, IT WAS BUMPED UP.
BUT WE ALSO RECEIVE A, UM, AN ADDITION FOR DEVELOPING ON OUR PARK.
UM, WHEN WE GO OUT AND PURCHASE NEW PARKLAND, WE'LL HAVE THOSE DOLLARS SET ASIDE FOR RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN THE, THE, BASICALLY THE, THE 1.282, UH, FIVE WILL BE PLACED IN A PARKLAND DEDICATION FUND.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON, UM, UH, AND IF THE DEVELOPER, OH, FOR EXAMPLE, ONLY PROPOSE TO USE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UH, THE MINIMUM, THE, THE ADDITIONAL 42,000 CAN BE PLACED IN THE CITY PARKLAND DEDICATION FUND AS WELL.
SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THEM HOW THEY WANT TO, TO SPEND THAT, THOSE DOLLARS.
SO THE FINAL ANALYSIS, THE CURRENT, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, THE TAR, IF WE HAVE A 250 DU DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE 262,000, UH, MAX WITHOUT E PARKLAND CREDIT, PLUS THE HUNDRED THOUSAND RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE.
THE TOTAL PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR 250 WOULD BE 362 5.
AND THE PROPOSED WOULD ACTUALLY GO UP TO ABOUT 3.7 MILLION, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL, UH, TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT, UH, WE'RE EXPERIENCING A MISSION OF PUBLIC ART COMPONENT.
CURRENT ORDINANCE IS 15% OF THE FEE IN LIEU, AND THE RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEES WILL BE HELD FOR PUBLIC ART AND PUBLIC PARKS AND RECREATIONAL LANDS.
IT CAN'T BE SPENT ON OTHER, OTHER FACILITIES.
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THOSE, THOSE, THOSE LANDS IN PUBLIC PARKS.BUT, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MATH THERE, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THAT.
YOU, I CAN SEND YOU THE, THE POWERPOINT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT 15%, UH, IS SUBSTANTIAL EVEN FOR OUR PARKLAND, OUR PUBLIC ART FUND.
UM, AND, AND WE'VE RECOMMENDED MORE OF A PHASE PERCENTAGE APPROACH RATHER THAN THE FULL 15%.
UH, IT ACTUALLY WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT, BUT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE REVISION, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.
SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE AS WELL.
AND THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALSO STATES, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY, FROM TIME TO TIME AUTHORIZE THE USE OF FUNDS, THE PARK, UH, THE PUBLIC ART FUNDS FOR PURCHASING PARKLAND OR NON-PUBLIC ART IMPROVEMENTS OR RENOVATIONS WHEN DETERMINED NECESSARY IN RELATION TO A PARTICULAR PUBLIC PARK PROJECT.
UH, BUT OUR, OUR, OUR COUNCIL HAS BEEN, AND EVEN OUR PARK BOARD AND OUR, UH, PUBLIC ART COMMISSION HAVE ALSO BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF KEEPING THOSE DOLLARS AND USING THOSE DOLLARS WITHIN THE PARKS.
SO, LONG-RANGE PROJECTION, AND I SHARED THIS WITH COUNCIL PART BOARD WHO HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE.
UH, AND I DON'T, I'M SAYING COUNCIL PART BOARD HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE.
I'VE GOT SOME REALLY NICE FEEDBACK.
UM, BUT THE INCREASE OF 25,000 RESIDENTS, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA OCCUR WHETHER IT TAKES FIVE YEARS TO GET ANOTHER 25,000 OR IT TAKES 10 YEARS, OR IT TAKES 15 OR 20 YEARS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, BASED ON THE MARKET CONDITIONS AND ECONOMIC CONDITIONS OF OUR, OUR TIME.
BUT IF WE INCREASE 25,000 RESIDENTS FROM OUR CURRENT POPULATION OF 84 TO JUST 109,000, AND THAT 84 MAY BE A LITTLE LITTLE LOW.
NOW, THAT WAS, THIS WAS DONE BACK IN THE FALL.
SO, UH, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT 25,000 RESIDENTS.
AND WE LOOK AT IT DIVIDING THAT BY THE, UH, THE, THE PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD.
UH, WE, WE LOOK AT IT, 7,700 485, MORE DUS DIVIDED BY 174.85 TIMES SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 561 ACRES, UM, MINUS THAT 10% FOR POTENTIAL PRIVATE PARKS IN THE HOAS.
UH, WHICH LEAVES A BALANCE OF, OF ABOUT 505 PUBLIC PARK ACRES.
AND BASED UPON THAT 505 PUBLIC PARK ACRES AT 105 $45,000 AN ACRE EQUALS 73,000,259 AND $510 POTENTIAL FEE IN LIEU FOR PARKLAND DEDICATION.
I'LL LET THAT SINK IN A MINUTE.
THE RECREATION FEE WOULD EQUATE TO THE SAME, SAME TYPE OF SCENARIO, BUT IT WOULD EQUATE TO ALMOST ANOTHER $39 MILLION TO HELP US DEVELOP THOSE 505 PARK ACRES OVER THE NEXT 25,000 RESIDENTS THAT COME TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND AS I SAID, IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS, IT COULD BE 10 YEARS.
SO THE FEE IN LIEU AND THE RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE COMBINED WOULD BE AROUND $111 MILLION FOR FUTURE PARKS AND AMENITIES, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC ART PORTION BASED ON JUST ADDING ANOTHER 25,000 RESIDENTS.
SO THE NEXT STEPS, WE WILL, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD DIALOGUE, QUESTIONS AND INSIGHT FROM CITY COUNCIL.
WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
UM, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH PUBLIC ART COMMISSION.
UH, WE'VE EVEN MET WITH THE, THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
UH, WE'VE NOW, TONIGHT WE'VE GOT OUR, OUR PRESENTATION DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK FROM, FROM YOU.
WE HAVE AN UPDATE DISCUSSION WE WANT TO UPDATE, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
WE'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND SEEK APPROVAL FROM PLANNING FROM FROM Y'ALL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE AN OFFICIAL PRESENTATION OF THE REVISED ORDINANCE OF CITY, CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN THERE MAY BE STEPS ALONG THE WAY THAT ROBIN WILL SAY, OH, WE NEED TO DO THIS.
AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DONE YET.
SO, BUT THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL.
UM, SO A COUPLE OF DISCUSSION POINTS.
THIS IS A NEW SLIDE, UM, JUST BASED ON SOME, UH, UH, DISCUSSION AND THOUGHT PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD YOU INCREASE A 10% RESERVE FOR HR HOA PARKS UPWARD OR LOWER? YES.
YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, WE'RE AT 10% IS A REALLY NICE FIGURE.
IT'S TYPICAL WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.
SO I THINK THE 10% IS, IS REALLY GOOD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, IT COULD BE UP UPWARD, IT COULD BE, UH, GONE UP OR LOWERED IF, IF NECESSARY, COULD ADJUST THE FEE AND LIEU VALUE PER ACRE FROM $145,000, EITHER UPWARDS OR LOWER AS WELL.
HOWEVER, REMEMBER PROBABLY MOST, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA DO A THIRD PARTY APPRAISAL.
SO WE'LL GET THAT FIGURE THAT APPRAISAL MAY COME IN AT, YOU KNOW, 98, NOT 145 PER ACRE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE, BUT IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE PRICE.
SO WE COULD ADJUST THE RECREATION
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IMPROVEMENT FEE OF 134, A HUNDRED, 342,000 ACRES UPWARDS OR LOWER AS WELL.WE COULD IN INITIATE A PHASE IN APPROACH, AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, YEAR ONE, THE FEE IN LIEU VALUE, UH, WOULD BE 87,000 AN ACRE.
YEAR TWO, THE FI LU COULD BE 116 80%, AND YEAR THREE IT COULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UH, SAME WITH A REC RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE OF 60, 80, AND A HUNDRED.
SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER AS YOU, UM, MOVE FORWARD.
HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T TAKE TOO LONG AND LEFT YOU TIME FOR SOME QUESTIONS.
WELL, WE APPRECIATE IT THERE, DIRECTOR TUMS, AND I'M SURE WE, WE ALL HAVE SOME, BUT I'LL, I'LL GET, I'LL START US OFF TONIGHT.
SINCE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE MICROPHONE AND I'M THE ONE TALKING.
SO, UM, UH, I, I PARKS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, UH, AS YOU KNOW, UM, MR. TUMS, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN LEANDER LITTLE LEAGUE AND HELPING SUPPORT THROUGH THAT.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST SPRING IN SEVEN YEARS.
SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A A LITTLE, LITTLE TOUCHY FEEL FOR ME AS WELL.
UM, BUT I I, I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THE FI AND LUBE JUST SO THAT WE CAN USE MORE FOR COMMUNITY PARKS VERSUS THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE DOING THIS, WE HAVE THE APPETITE TO WEATHER THROUGH THE STORM TO GET TO THAT LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, BECAUSE YOU ARE GONNA CREATE AN EVEN GREATER DISPARITY IF WE'RE, UM, DOING A FEE IN LIEU.
WE'RE INCENTIVIZING, UH, UH, BUILDERS NOT TO DEVELOP THE LOCAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FACILITIES IN LIEU OF US BEING ABLE TO HAVE A POT OF MONEY TO BUILD LARGER FACILITIES, WHICH TAKES LONGER TIME FOR US TO ACCRUE THAT MONEY, ET CETERA.
SO IT WILL, IN THE, IN THE MIDPOINT, THERE'S GONNA BE A TIME WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE WORSE.
UM, AND IF WE GO INTO THAT WITH THE, WITH THAT EYES OPEN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I'M, I'M ALWAYS A, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S THINK ABOUT THE, BEGIN WITH THE END OF MIND, STEPHEN COVEY'S, BEGIN WITH THE END OF MIND.
BUT I, I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED AND UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT'S A POTENTIAL, UM, FOR HAPPENING AS A RESULT OF THAT.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION.
I I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE 145,000 PER ACRE.
UM, AND, AND YOU SAID THAT WAS BASED ON 2020 NUMBERS? UH, HAS, OR NO, IT WAS ACTUALLY BASED ON 20, UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, IT WAS BASED ON 2022 WHEN WE WERE PULLING TOGETHER LAST YEAR, 2022 NUMBERS.
SO WAS THAT AT THE HEIGHT OF 2022 WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CRAZY MARKET VALUE? OR WAS THAT WHEN WE'D STARTED DOING THE TURN? BECAUSE IN 2022 THE NUMBERS AS YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOT HYPER-INFLATED, ESPECIALLY IN OUR AREA.
SO I'M, I'M AFRAID THAT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE OVER AGGRESSIVE.
SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL IF THEY DO THE, IF THEY DO THE THING.
BUT, UM, AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR VARIOUS OPTIONS UP THERE OF MAYBE LOWERING THAT CAP AT THE BEGINNING AND PHASING IT IN.
I'M NOT SURE HOW I LEAN EITHER WAY ON THAT OR IF IT EVEN REALLY MATTERS.
CUZ AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT.
BUT I THINK BEING MORE REALISTIC, UH, IS THE, UH, IS THE BEST APPROACH FOR US TO, TO KIND OF GARNER THAT BUSINESS FROM DEVELOPERS AND, AND HAVE THEM COME IN AND WANT TO, WANT TO WORK WITH US AND WANT TO DEVELOP IN OUR, IN OUR SPACE.
SO THAT WAS REALLY MY ONLY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE, UM, IS THAT REALLY THE BEST MEASUREMENT OF THE BEST NUMBER? BUT YOU, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THAT A BIT.
YEAH, IT WAS, UH, MOST PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND THE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.
IT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT AFTER SOME OF THE, THE PEAK TIME, BUT YET IT WAS STILL, I'M SURE, UH, AS PART OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GOT INTO DECEMBER AND THOSE TIMEFRAMES AND, AND I'M SORRY.
I DO, I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING.
UM, JUST ONE THING I'LL ASK OF ROBIN.
I, I LOVE THESE PRESENTATIONS BY THE WAY, BUT I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE, ESPECIALLY ON ONE THAT'S HEAVY IN NUMBERS LIKE THIS, A PRE-READ SO THAT WE COULD, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GO OVER IT AND KIND OF ABSORB IT.
CUZ MR. THOMAS KNOWS THIS, LIKE THE BACK OF HIS HAND.
WE DON'T, AND SO SEEING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME IS KIND OF HARD TO TAKE IN EVERYTHING.
UH, AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MUCH RICHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BE HELPFUL.
AND I CAN, I CAN SEND IT OUT AFTER THIS.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE SAME, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE IT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT GO FORWARD.
YOU I THAT I, IT WOULD HELP ME.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
SO, UM, THIS IS A OPEN DISCUSSION, KIND OF LIKE WE'VE DONE BEFORE.
I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO CALL OR GO DOWN IF YOU GUYS JUST WANNA, I HAVE A COUPLE.
UH, DO WE HAVE THE KIND OF INTEREST FOR BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL LEAGUES THAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED WE DON'T HAVE A U SIX OR U YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A SURVEY RIGHT NOW FOR OUR SAN GABRIEL ATHLETIC COMPLEX.
WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVE, THE SURVEY HASN'T BEEN UP A WEEK.
WE HAVE 1800 RESPONSES I'M ON.
AND THERE'S THE, IT, THE GAMUT IS RUNS THE, THE COURSE FROM EVERYTHING FROM, UH, ATHLETIC FIELDS TO PICNIC PAVILIONS, TO SKATE PARKS, TO DISC GOLF COURSE.
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MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A LOT THAT, THAT THE, THE MAN FOR FROM A CITIZENS IS OUT THERE.THEY, THEY REALLY DO WANT PARKS, THEY WANT AMENITIES AND, UM, WHICH, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND, AND HOW DO WE PAIR THAT DOWN WILL BE THE NEXT QUESTION WORKING WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM.
SO I'M, I'M SHARING FROM YOU THAT WHAT WE HEAR, WHAT WE SEE, YEP.
OUR PARK BOARD, I THINK MR. J ST.
JAMES, UM, UH, WAS AT OUR PARK BOARD AND WE HAD PROBABLY 30 OR 40 PICKLEBALL PLAYERS COME AND, UH, FOR THE FIRST 10 MINUTES AND, AND VOICE THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WANTING US TO, UH, DEVELOP PICKLEBALL COURTS.
WE HAVE NO TENNIS COURTS ON OUR COMMITTEE, SO WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF CALLS, A LOT OF INTERACTION FROM, FROM VARIOUS RESIDENTS OF, OF THE NEED THAT'S OUT THERE.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF BUDGET DOES THE CITY HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THIS CUZ THEY CAN'T IMAGINE THE FEW, THE, THE, THE FEES IN LIEU ARE GONNA SUPPORT THIS ALL TOTALLY.
WELL, THE, THE REVISION WOULD, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP.
BUT THE CURRENT FEES, NO, WE, WE, IT DOESN'T COME, COME CLOSE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME OF THE BOND PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE PASSED IN 2016.
THAT'S, THAT'S HELPING, THAT'S PART OF SAN GABRIEL, THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER, POTENTIALLY A RECREATION CENTER, UM, TO HELP US A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S POTENTIAL.
WE, WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT MM-HMM.
SO AS FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE, UM, WE REQUEST THOSE FUNDS AS, AS WELL AS PART OF THE PLAN.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALSO BASED ON, ON, YOU KNOW, UM, AVAILABILITY OF FUNDING.
DO OTHER CITIES HAVE THESE FEES, LIKE THESE FEES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN, IN LINE WITH THIS? THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
TEXAS HAS, UM, I THINK IT'S AROUND A HUNDRED AND TWENTY, TWENTY FIVE CITIES THAT HAVE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES.
AND MOST OF THEM ARE IN THIS GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND I DO HAVE, I CAN EVEN SEND YOU A, A STUDY.
I'VE, I'VE RESEARCHED MOST OF, OF THESE, OR NOT MOST, I SHOULDN'T SAY 125, BUT MOST OF OUR LOCAL AREAS MM-HMM.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH AS WELL.
SO THEY HAVE CONTINUED, LOOKED AT UP, UH, REVISING THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION.
BUT EACH COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
AND SO EACH COMMUNITY, YOU WILL NOT FIND OUT OF 125 PARKLAND DEDICATIONS ACROSS THE CI STATE.
UH, ANY TWO THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, DIFFERENT FOCUS, DIFFERENT PRIORITIES.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT LENDS INTO IT.
BUT, UH, VERY, VERY SIMILAR STRUCTURE IN SOME WAYS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE NUMBERS.
AUSTIN IS VERY DIFFERENT, UH, WHEN THEY'RE PARKING LOT DEDICATION.
UH, I WOULD THINK THEY BASE IT ON, UH, DENSITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE HIGH-RISE.
AND HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT ON AN ACRE WHEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, 33 FLOORS OF, UH, OF CONDO UNITS, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
SO THEY HAVE REVIS REVISED THEIRS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, UM, TO INCLUDE, UH, LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY FACILITIES.
SO THEIRS IS QUITE, QUITE AGGRESSIVE.
YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL IS LIKE 10 TIMES AS MUCH AS WHAT THE ORIGINAL IS.
IS THE APPETITE OUT THERE FOR, ARE WE GONNA REALLY BE HURTING? ARE, ARE, ARE THE BUILDERS GONNA BE OUT THERE OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT MOST LIKELY THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME HEARTBURN, LET'S BE HONEST.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UM, HEARTBURN OVER THAT.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE'VE GOT NUMBER OF THEIR RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING IN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEVELOPING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND THEIR KIDS DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO ACTUALLY PLAY, YOU KNOW, SPORTS, GO TO REC CENTERS, TENNIS COURTS, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT US AND SAY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT? WHY AM I DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO ROUND ROCK IF I CAN EVEN GET, GET OVER THERE WHILE I'M DRIVING TO GEORGETOWN OR I'M DRIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE? BECAUSE IT, MOST OF 'EM DON'T.
YOUR PROPOSAL IS TYPICALLY IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE COST OF A DEVELOP, OF A DEVELOPMENT BY 10,000 BUCKS PER CORRECT UNIT.
I'D LIKE TO BRING UP A POINT ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, FIRST OFF, I WANNA SAY IT'S IRONIC THE NUMBERS USED OF 250 UNITS, THAT'S THE SAME SIZE AS MY NEIGHBORHOOD
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT GIVES A GREAT THING HERE.
THE, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT NINE ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT THEY REQUIRE NOW, UH, WE'RE ONLY USING ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT.
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OF GRASS THAT GETS WATERED.AND DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK IN THE CITY, 35 TO 60% OF OUR DRINKING WATER GETS SPRAYED ON GRASS.
I LOVE GRASS, I
IT DOESN'T LOOK GREEN LIKE MY GRASS AND YOU ISSUE ME VIOLATIONS.
MY GRASS ISN'T PERFECT, BUT YOUR PARK LOOKS SUBSTANDARD.
SO WE'RE WASTING 35 TO 60% OF OUR WATER TO WATER THESE PARKS THAT AREN'T USED.
AND ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH HAVING THESE HOA PARKS IS KIDS GO TO SCHOOL WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS FROM A ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS THAT COME IN FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY COME AND USE YOUR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT POOLS, IF YOU HAD BASKETBALL COURTS OR WHATEVER, AND THEY DAMAGE IT, THE HOA HAS NO METHOD TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE DAMAGES CREATED BY THOSE KIDS.
SO WE NEED A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT THESE KIDS CAN GO PLAY BASKETBALL ON OR SOFTBALL OR WHATEVER.
AND UH, I KNOW IT KIND OF PUTS THE ONUS ON THE CITY TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF AN HOA ARE EITHER GOING TO PAY FOR THE $10,000 UP FRONT FOR THE CITY PARK, OR THEY'RE GONNA PAY 5, 10, 15, $20 A MONTH TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T BE JUST A 10 TO ONE RATIO THERE.
IT'S OFFSET BY THE LOWER HOA FEES.
UM, TYPICALLY IT'S 60 TO 70% OF AN HO A'S BUDGET TO TAKE CARE, TAKE CARE OF THINGS.
AND EVERYBODY WANTS A POOL OR, UH, A PLAYGROUND.
BUT THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T LIKE HAVING THE SIX ACRES OF GRASPING WATER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $10,000 PER PER HOME, WHICH IS GONNA BE SPREAD OUT OVER THE LIFE OF A MORTGAGE.
SO, SO WHILE THAT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT NUMBER, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA INCREASE CUZ THE COSTS ARE GONNA GET PASSED ALONG TO THE BUYER AND, BUT THEY ARE GONNA BE SPREAD OUT.
I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE FEE IN LIEU AS OPPOSED TO THE PARKING LOT.
I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF A PARK OR, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE.
AND SO I GUESS THEY ASSUME WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRT TO PLAY ON IF WE HAVE AN ACRE.
AND SO THE BUILDER NEVER, YOU KNOW, PUT IN ANYTHING.
AND YOU KNOW, I YEARS AGO LIVED IN A CITY THAT HAD A KIND OF A UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP WITH, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH EVERY TIME A SCHOOL WAS BUILT, THERE WAS A PARTNERSHIP TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND PARKLAND KIND OF ADJACENT TO, WAS KIND OF A CITY AND IS D THING.
SO YOU HAD THESE STRATEGICALLY PLACED PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN YOU HAD THE SPECIALTY PARKS AND YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ATHLETIC FIELDS AND STUFF.
UH, I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF LEANER, YOU KNOW, EAST OF 180 3.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MM-HMM.
SO I THINK THE FEE AND LOSE IS PROBAB.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PUSHBACK FROM THE BUILDERS OBVIOUSLY.
AND PROBABLY THE PHASED IN APPROACH IS, IS GOING TO BE AN EASIER SELF THAN, THAN GOING UP ALL AT ONCE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO, I DO LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING.
SO YEAH, I CAN, I CAN ECHO THAT SENTIMENT AS WELL.
I DO LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, MAYHAN SAID, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECREATION ARE CERTAINLY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE HIKING TRAILS IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, CONSIDERING I LOVE TO GO HIKING.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME GREAT TRAILS THAT ACTUALLY EXIST THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE RADAR, UM, THAT I'LL MENTION IN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT I AM A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED JUST ABOUT THE, THE DEVELOPER FEES, UM, CUZ THAT IS GONNA GET PASSED ON TO THE HOMEOWNER AND PROBABLY INCREASE COSTS.
BUT THE SAME TIME I DO LIKE WHAT IT, WHAT'S IT, WHAT IT IS INTENDED TO DO? UM, AND I THINK IT IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT APPROACH AND, AND, AND JUST LIKE, UM, AND MR. LANTRIP MENTIONED NEXT TO ME, I DO THINK THE PHASE IN APPROACH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE RIGHT APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH THAT WAY THE HEARTBURN ISN'T AS GREAT TO THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME I ALSO LIKE KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE HOAS.
I I WOULD EVEN MAYBE RECOMMEND POTENTIALLY THAT DOWN, UH, WHERE, UM, COMMISSIONER MAY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE HOAS ARE OBVIOUSLY EXPERIENCING SOMEWHERE IN TERROR ON THEIR COMMUNITIES FOR PEOPLE COMING IN AND USING THEIR FACILITIES THAT MAY NOT LIVE THERE.
I KNOW THERE'S TYPICALLY SIGNS THAT SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR RESIDENTS OR, OR, OR
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RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS MM-HMM.SO I GUESS TECHNICALLY THE KIDS COMING ARE THEIR GUESTS AND IF THEY BREAK THE RIM OF A BASKETBALL HOOP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIX IT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME USE OUR POOL ALL THE TIME AND WE STILL HAVE TO PAY TO, TO REPLACE UMBRELLAS AND, AND, AND THE OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE.
UM, THAT'S JUST PART OF, OF THE FEES THAT THE HOAS, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO COVER WHEN PEOPLE USE THOSE FACILITIES.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT THE CITY CAN HAVE IF WE HAVE ALL OF THIS HOA DESIGNATED SPACE.
IF THEY WERE TO DESIGNATE IT MORE FOR CITYWIDE USAGE, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY DESIRE TO POTENTIALLY HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE, UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS OF THESE, OF THESE HOA YOU KNOW, UH, DESIGNATED PARKS IF THEY WERE TO MAKE 'EM MORE PUBLIC OR, OR POTENTIALLY TRAILS THAT ARE JUST FOR HOAS.
YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE THAT GOES INTO MAINTAINING THOSE TRAILS, THOSE GREEN BELTS WITH THE CITY MAYBE HELP OFFSET OR HAVE HELP WORK TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE AREAS, UM, TO MAKE THEM MORE READILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN INSURABLE INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO ADD IT TO THEIR INSURANCE POLICY, WHICH IS HOW THEY COVER THEIR LOSSES.
AND SINCE IT'S OWNED, PRIVATELY OWNED, UH, THEY HAVE NO TORT LIMIT YEAH.
THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE LIABILITY ISSUES ARE ABOUND
BUT I MEAN, I I I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAIL THAT I'M, I'M REFERRING TO THAT I'VE HIKED JUST ONCE MM-HMM.
AND, UM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL BACK THERE.
EXCEPT NOW THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN THAT I BELIEVE ARE, CAN OR MAY POTENTIALLY DESTROY SOME OF THAT TRAIL THAT CURRENTLY CONNECTS COASTAL FALLS TO TREVISO.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT GREEN BELT PRESERVED.
CAUSE IT'S A HIDDEN GEM FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S, IT'S A PLACE AND A SPACE THAT I THINK PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY COULD GREATLY ENJOY.
THAT'S, THERE'S ALSO, I THINK EVEN A MASTER PLANT AT ONE POINT THAT I'D SEEN WHERE THE BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL TRAIL CORRECT.
IS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT TO CEDAR PARK AND THEN IT CONNECT ALL THE WAY OUT TO ROUND ROCK AND OUT TO, TO HU AND BEYOND.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A LONG-TERM PLAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD BASICALLY HIKE AND BIKE DOWN A, A TRAIL THAT LONG.
I KNOW I, WHEN I USED TO LIVE IN AVERY RANCH, I COULD WALK OUT MY FRONT DOOR, I HEAD DOWN TO THE END OF THE TRAIL AND BE ON THE BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL TRAIL AND, AND GO HIKE AND, AND WALK MY DOGS OR WHATEVER, RIDE A BIKE FOR 10 MILES JUST LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN'T REALLY, THERE'S NOT A PLACE WITHIN LEANDER THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
SO NO, AND THAT'S PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR, FOR THIS YEAH.
IS THAT BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL, THAT SAN GABRIEL RIVER TRAIL.
UM, WHILE THAT'S PROBABLY MORE CLOSER TO REALITY, THE SAN GABRIEL RIVER TRAIL COMING FROM SAN GABRIEL PARK ON 1 180 3 A, UM, AND CONNECTING INTO THE, UH, THE EXPANSION OF 180 3 ALL THE WAY TO LIBERTY HILL.
IT'LL GO UNDER THE BRIDGES, IT'LL GO THROUGH THE PARK, IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BAR W RANCH AND THEN BARABY RANCH PICKS IT UP.
UM, UH, VALLEY VISTAS HAS PICKED IT UP FROM THERE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE A GAP UNDER REAGAN.
SO IT WOULD RELY ON US AS A GOVERNMENT TO PUT THE TRAIL CONNECTION IN UNDER, UNDER REAGAN.
UM, WHILE OTHER AREAS CAN CERTAINLY, THE DEVELOPERS CAN, CAN ADD TO THAT PUBLIC TRAIL AND THEY DO.
AND SO HOW DO YOU FILL IN THOSE GAPS? AND THIS WOULD CERTAINLY HELP WITH THAT.
WE OWN A LOT OF BETWEEN, UM, 180 3 AND, AND REAGAN, WE OWN A CITY OWNS QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY ALONG THAT BRUSHY CREEK SECTION.
AND, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO, TO, TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE OURS, OURS DEADS END OUR, OUR TRAIL DEAD ENDS RIGHT AT REAGAN.
I THINK MARCELLO'S AND SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS BACK THAT UP THAT'S RIGHT.
TO, THERE'S AND THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT OF TRAILS THAT ARE PROBABLY ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS, LIKE ONE SMALL SECTION.
UM, BUT GOING BACK TO THE POINT, AND I DON'T MEAN TO, I MEAN WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ALL DAY AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE EVERYBODY'S TIME HERE CAUSE NO, I APPRECIATE IT.
PARKS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE NUMBERS YOU THREW OUT, YOU KNOW, 12, 12 POINT WHATEVER ACRES ON AVERAGE PER UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS IT, UH, PER, PER DU I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER WAS, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN THE FACT THAT WE'RE ONLY HALF OF THAT, UH, IS AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, GOING BACK TO, TO THE DEVELOPER PIECE OF IT.
NOW, HAVE Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL OR, I MEAN, YOU SAY, SAY YOU'VE TALKED TO THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATIONS.
HAVE THEY GIVEN YOU ANY, ANY, ANY INDICATION THAT DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA PUSH BACK OR THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS, ESPECIALLY TO PUT THESE FUNDS INTO
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THE LAND? NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT WE'VE, THAT ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND DEVELOPED PRIOR TO EVEN THIS, THIS COMMISSION COMING ONLINE.AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY GET US TO THAT 25,000 PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT.
I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY GOT ENOUGH DEVELOPMENTS IN A PIPELINE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE ALREADY IN THE DEFICIT THERE.
SO, SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? WELL, JUST, IF WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED, WHETHER IT'S A PHASE APPROACH, WE'LL HAVE TO START FROM THAT POINT.
WHETHER WE'RE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 110,000 AT THAT POINT.
ALL THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY, UM, IN THE PIPELINE BEEN APPROVED, THEIR PARKLAND EDUCATION HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF ESSENTIALLY, OR APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND RETROFIT SOMEBODY ELSE'S EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVE JUST STARTED OR JUST BEGUN.
THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY HAD AN APPROVED PARKLAND DEDICATION PLAN.
BUT ONCE THAT IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THEN THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS WOULD START FROM THAT POINT ON.
AND YES, WE MAY BE AT A HUNDRED, 110,000 THOUSAND AND SO IT'D BE FROM 110 TO 135,000.
BUT AT SOME POINT, IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
I MEAN I WOULD SAY YOU PROBABLY OUGHTA CONSIDER JUST LOOKING AT YOUR NUMBERS AND AND REVISING THEM.
CAUSE IF WE'RE ABOUT 90,000 NOW, OH YEAH.
I PROBABLY GUARANTEE YOU WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSER TO THAT A AND TWENTY FIVE, A HUNDRED AND TWENTY OR WHATEVER WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN A, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE.
THE HBA WAS, UH, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, WE, WE SHARED THIS EXACT SAME INFORMATION WITH THEM.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE VERY CORDIAL.
I, I, YOU KNOW, AS, AS AN ORGANIZATION AND LOOKING AT THE PROTECTION AND THE OF, OF, OF THEIR, THEIR CLIENTS AND THE, THE ASSOCIATION, THEY, THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK THEY WERE FORMULATING THOSE AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO COME BACK TO THEM OKAY.
AND TALK WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH AND SEE WHERE THEIR, THEIR MAJOR CONCERNS ARE AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP ADDRESS THOSE.
AND I, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY TRANSCRIPT OR DATA THAT COMES BACK OR FEEDBACK FROM MM-HMM.
ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO HINDER THE GROWTH.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE, I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE NEED MORE PARKS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A ISSUE WITH THE, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, LANRE WAS SAYING THAT FOR THE MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MONEY, IT'LL BE THROUGH THE TERM OF THE MORTGAGE.
SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE LIKE DETRIMENTAL.
BUT WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS ALL THE WATER USAGE.
I MEAN, WE'RE USING MORE THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
BUT ALL THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT REALLY GONNA IMPACT, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR WATER.
UM, THAT'S LIKE SUPER IN IMPORTANT AND I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME CLEAR SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING, UM, AS FAR AS YOUR PLAN GOES, THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.
AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED SOME PARKS HERE.
EVERYBODY HAVE TO GO TO CEDAR PARK, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, IN NO TENNIS COURTS, THERE'S NOTHING HERE.
AND I'M TIRED OF THOSE KIDS PLAYING UP UNDER MY WINDOW.
SO
UM, BUT BECAUSE THESE KIDS, UH, IT'S A LOT OF KIDS HERE NOW MM-HMM.
AND HE, AND, AND, AND YOU ARE ALSO RIGHT ABOUT THE 25,000, I THINK WE ALREADY AT THAT MM-HMM.
BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, THE WATER ISSUE AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA DEEPLY, UH, IMPACT US.
CUZ WE, WE ALREADY HAVE WATER ISSUES.
NOW, WELL KEEP IN MIND A LOT OF OUR L I S D FACILITIES, LIKE THE FOOTBALL FIELDS ARE USING ASTROTURF ARTIFICIAL TURF.
SO I I I BET THERE'S SOME SOLUTIONS AT PLAY IF, IF MORE, YOU KNOW, BALL FIELDS ARE INSTALLED OR PUT IN, THEY COULD USE ARTIFICIAL TURF TO, TO OFFSET THAT AND RECLAIM THE WATER AS WELL.
SO OUR, OUR GOLF COURSE IS ALL RECLAIMED WATER.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE IRRIGATING AND KEEPING THAT A, A, A A, A BEAUTIFUL DESTINATION.
UH, EVEN THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE WERE AT 93 SATURDAY, UH, 93% OF THE TEE TIMES 97% ON SUNDAY.
PRETTY MUCH UPPER NINETIES ALL WEEK UP THIS WEEK.
BEAUTIFUL WEEK OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, UH, SO WE ARE, WE ARE SEEING SOME TREMENDOUS BENEFITS FROM THE GOLF COURSE.
THE, THE REVENUES ARE EXCEEDING BUDGET EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING ENGINEERING FOR OUR SAN GABRIEL ATHLETIC COMPLEX THAT WILL ADD FOUR TO SIX GIRLS SOFTBALL FIELDS.
WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT, IT'LL BE SYNTHETIC AS YOU MENTIONED.
UM, THE, THE VAST MAJORITY, WE
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MAY DO A COMBINATION OF INFIELD, SYNTHETIC OUTFIELD GRASS, WHICH WILL ALSO LIMIT THE WATER USAGE.BUT I, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET AS MANY SYNTHETIC AS WE CAN COMPLETELY.
SO, UM, WHICH IS CONSTANTLY USED.
OUR, OUR SOC SOCCER ASSOCIATION HAS OVER 650 KIDS, PLUS WE HAVE FLAG FOOTBALL AND OUR, ALL OF OUR OTHER SPORTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE OUT THERE, KICKBALL AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, AND SO YOU, YOU, YOU PLAY YEAR ROUND, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY NICE.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE GREAT FACILITIES AND, UH, LESS MAINTENANCE AND LESS WATER COST.
SO THAT'S THE FOCUS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
PICKLEBALL AND BASKETBALL DON'T REQUIRE WATERING AT ALL EXCEPT FOR A WATER FOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU GET A LITTLE HOT LESS THAN THE GRASS.
I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER MO ASKED THOUGH.
AND I, I'D LOVE TO SEE LIKE, STUDIES ON PARKLAND VERSUS RESIDENTIAL AND THE WATER USAGE.
THAT WAY WE COULD SAY, HEY, WE ARE GONNA USE LESS ON AVERAGE BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING THIS MORE PARKLAND VERSUS, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU MR. THOMAS.
HOW MUCH MORE STAFF ARE YOU GONNA NEED WITH ALL THIS PARKLAND AND, AND HAS THAT BEEN FACTORED IN TO ALL OF THIS AND ALL THE COST? UM, THERE WILL BE STAFF THAT WILL BE NEEDED, OBVIOUSLY, ESPECIALLY MAINTENANCE STAFF AND AND SO FORTH.
UM, WE HAVEN'T GONE DOWN THAT ROAD YET.
WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON OUR STAFFING PLAN JUST FOR SAN GABRIEL RIGHT NOW.
CUZ PROGRAMMING STAFF, ET CETERA.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME EXTRA FOLKS.
UM, AND I, AND I DID WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, UH, THAT SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE DEMAND, YOU KNOW, I I THAT'S A, THAT'S A VALID QUESTION, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE DEMAND? AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, UM, AROUND BASEBALL.
I KNOW BASEBALL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
UM, SO IN CEDAR PARK WE GOT C P Y L AND GEORGETOWN, WE GOT G Y B A, WE'VE GOT PONY, WE'VE GOT LITTLE LEAGUE, WE'VE GOT CAL RIPPED IN.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LOCAL STUFF THAT'S ALL OVERLAPPING.
EVERY WEEKEND YOU CAN LOOK IN THE AUSTIN AREA AND THERE'S 350 TEAMS PLAYING IN TOURNAMENTS.
THE DEMAND IS SO GREAT IN LEANDER.
WE HAVE TURNED AWAY KIDS SINCE AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS HERE.
IT'S NOT JUST IN THE AUSTIN AREA.
UM, IF WE HAD AN EXCESS OF FACILITIES, WE COULD RENT THOSE OUT BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE TEAMS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED PLACES TO PRACTICE.
I KNOW MY SON'S TEAM WERE ALWAYS HURTING FOR SPACE AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALL THE FIELDS ARE ALWAYS BEING UTILIZED.
SO IF WE EVEN HAD ACCESS, WE COULD TURN THAT INTO A REVENUE GENERATING SOURCE AS WELL.
LET'S SAY THE DEMAND ISN'T THERE, THE DEMAND IS THERE AROUND US AT LEAST.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T SAY THIS IS A STATEMENT FOR NEEDING BASEBALL.
IT'S RATHER AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE'RE WOEFULLY UNDER, UNDER-RESOURCED IN ALL THE AREAS.
CUZ I'M SURE PICKLEBALL FEEL PEOPLE WHO PLAY PICKLEBALL FEEL THE SAME.
PEOPLE WHO PLAY BASKETBALL FEEL THE SAME, THE SOCCER KIDS.
I BET WE'RE TURNING FOLKS AWAY FROM SOCCER IS POPULAR.
AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A, A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT SINCE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT DEMAND WALKING TRAILS.
I I DON'T, I DON'T DENY IT THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND DON'T WE HAVE A SEMI-PRO FOOTBALL TEAM HERE THAT WE DO USE THE HIGH SCHOOL
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, THE PRACTICES WE HAVE, YEAH.
WE, WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FACILITY TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CATER TO THEM.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BRING REVENUE IN.
I MEAN, IF WE HAD A, A REAL PLACE TO GO, I THINK, WELL CEDAR PARK OF PEOPLE WOULD TO BUILD A CRANKY, LIKE AROUND CRANKY RANCH, WHICH IS OFF LIKE 1431 MM-HMM.
AND, AND PARMER, THEY'RE SUPPOSED, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WHOLE NEW BASEBALL LITTLE LEAGUE'S NOT PERFECT PITCH.
IT'S NOT RECREATION ORIENTED, BUT IT IS, IT IS SELECT AND FOR ATHLETES WHO, UH, WANT TO CONTINUE THEIR CAREER PERHAPS INTO COLLEGE OR EVEN THE PROFESSIONAL RANKS.
SO, BUT IT'LL BE A, IT'LL BE A NICE FACILITY, BUT IT'S GEARED FOR MORE OF THE, UH, NOT SO MUCH THE RECREATION, THE, THE, YOUR EVERYDAY USER, BUT MORE FOR THOSE, UH, SELECT KIDS AND YOUNGSTERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? YOU, YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT.
I MEAN, AND, AND JUST TO ADD ONE QUICK THING AND, AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT SIX SOFTBALL FIELDS AT, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN BE IN LINE FOR REGIONAL TOURNAMENTS, UH, AND BRING IN THOSE, UH, THOSE REVENUE 120 TEAM, UH, GIRLS, SOFTBALL, UH, TOURNAMENT ON A WEEKEND STARTING FRIDAY EVENING, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
ECONOMIC IMPACTS IS AROUND A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.
IF YOU HAVE THE HOTELS, IF YOU HAVE THE RESTAURANTS, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE, THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS AND RETAIL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT AND THEY'RE GOING TO CEDAR PARK SOMEWHERE.
WE WANT TO RE RETAIN THAT HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO BUILD THE FOOTBALL.
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OKAY.ANYTHING ELSE FOR DIRECTOR TOMAN? THANK YOU.
YOUR INSIGHT AND YOUR QUESTIONS WERE, WERE GREAT AND ON TARGET AND I APPRECIATE YOU VERY.
AND WITH THAT, THE TIME IS SEVEN 20 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.