* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I HAVEN'T. [1. Call to Order.] GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE THURSDAY, MARCH 9TH, 2023, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE CITY OF LEANER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND [3. Director’s report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on actions taken by the City Council at the March 2, 2023 meeting.] WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. GOOD EVENING. I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE MARCH 2ND MEETING ON ITEMS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED BY THE PLENTY AND ZONING COMMISSION. THEY HAD ONE CASE, IT WAS THE BAR W RANCH EAST COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THEY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY DID, UH, APPROVE THE REQUEST, AND IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK FOR SECOND READING. AND THAT'S IT FROM OUR REPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE'LL REVIEW THE MEETING PROTOCOL THAT WILL, THAT'S UP ON THE BOARD RIGHT THERE AND [5. Citizen Comments: Three (3) minutes allowed per speaker. [Please turn in speaker request form before the meeting begins.]] NOW WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR CITIZEN'S COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, UH, CAN COME FORWARD NOW. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. ST. JAMES, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. GOOD EVENING, CARLOS ST. JAMES, 1817 ARTESIAN SPRINGS CROSSING HERE IN LEANDER. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I WAS HERE AND I SPOKE ABOUT PARKLAND DEDICATION. TURNS OUT I NEEDED A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. SO IF, IF I, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE TWO POINTS HERE. AS, AS YOU KNOW, I'M ACTUALLY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UH, THEIR, THEIR INHERENT FAIRNESS AND THE LEGACY ISSUES. OKAY, SO NUMBER ONE ON THE, UM, ON THE FAIRNESS OF IT, THIS IS NOT A, A TAX, RIGHT? I'M HOPE IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. IT'S A FEE. AND CITIES THAT ARE USING IT MORE AND MORE ARE THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY GROWING QUITE RAPIDLY. SO IT FITS, IT FITS LEANDER NEEDS QUITE WELL, AND IT'S QUITE OFTEN USED AND, AND BUILD AS A, AS A USER FEE. THE ARGUMENT BEING THAT THOSE NEW ENTRANCE TO A MARKET, LET'S SAY PEOPLE MOVING INTO LEANER, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE CREATING THE DEMAND FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PARKS. AND SO IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THESE ADDITIONAL PARKS THAT REQUIRE MORE BASEBALL FIELDS, SOCCER FIELDS, UM, ET CETERA. ALONG THO ALONG THOSE, ALONG THOSE LINES. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S VERY USED, IT'S COMMON. IT, THE, THE, THE FAIRNESS COMPONENT TO THIS IS THAT THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR A LONG TIME, SHOULDN'T BE STUCK WITH THE BURDEN OF WHAT ALTERNATIVE IS TO ISSUE, UH, BONDS THAT YOU USE THEN TO BUY THE LAND, TO MAKE THE, THE PARKS, ET CETERA, WHICH THEN IS PAID BY EVERYONE. IT STRIKES ME, AND I THINK, AND MOST PEOPLE THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE FAIR, THAT THOSE THAT ARE CREATING THE DEMAND FOR THESE ADDITIONAL PARKS SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO PAY FOR IT. SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, ON THE LEGACY ASPECT OF IT, I SOMETIMES WONDER, WHEN I LOOK BACK AND THINKING WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE CITY 20 YEARS AGO, DID THEY NOT SEE ALL THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE? THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A NEED FOR SO MUCH MORE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS SUCH AS PARKS? AND THEN IT OCCURS TO ME THAT MAYBE I COULD BE A LITTLE MORE CHARITABLE AND THINK, WELL, 20 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS A VERY DIFFERENT CITY AND NO ONE REALLY KNEW THAT AUSTIN WOULD BE THAT TSUNAMI OF JOB CREATION, WHICH WOULD THEN HAVE THIS RIPPLE EFFECT, WHICH WOULD REACH ALL THE WAY INTO LEANDER. SO MAYBE THEY CAN BE FORGIVEN FOR NOT KNOWING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HAPPEN, THAT LEANDER WAS GOING TO BE SUCH A HOT LITTLE NUMBER AS FAR AS REAL ESTATE GOES. UM, BUT WE NOW KNOW THAT ALL OF US THAT ARE HERE, AND SO MY CONCERN IS IN ANOTHER GENERATION, IN 20 OR 30 YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND THEY'RE GOING TO ASK IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, LIKE PARKLAND DEDICATION DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEY'LL SAY, WHAT WERE THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN CHARGE OF THE CITY THINKING? WHAT WERE THEY DOING? AND NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE IN POSITIONS OF MAKING DECISIONS, BUT THOSE OF US THAT RATTLE OUR CAGES AND MAKE SOME NOISE, AND EVEN THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DON'T CARE AND DON'T MAKE NOISE. IN THE END, WE ARE ALL ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY THAT WE LIVE IN. AND IT STRIKES ME AS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME TO ME WHEN I'M A REALLY OLD MAN AND SAY, WHAT DID YOU DO? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS TOWN HAD ENOUGH PARKS AND THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD BE, WE BECAME A LIVABLE CITY WITH ENOUGH PARKS AND TRAILS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON PARKLAND DEDICATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ST. JAMES. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS TONIGHT ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS AND MOVE [ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION] ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. THIS IS, UH, ACTION ITEM, MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AGENDA [8. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0052 to amend the current zoning of PUD/TOD-CD (Planned Unit Development/Transit Oriented Development – Conventional Development Sector) to adopt the 183A Plaza Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base zoning district of GC-3-A (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 9.61 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District parcel R461862; and generally located approximately 700 feet southeast of the intersection of 183A Toll Road and Aven Way, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0052 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE Z DASH 22 DASH 52 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF, UH, P DT OD CD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR TO ADOPT THE 180 3 A PLAZA MINOR PUD WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF GC THREE A ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 9.61 ACRES IN SIZE. MORE PARTIC PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT [00:05:01] AS THE PARCELS LISTED IN THE POSTED AGENDA STAFF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, CORY DELL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. HOPE EVERYBODY'S WELL. UM, SO THE, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS. UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITH THE, WITHIN THE CONVENTIONAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT SECTOR OF THE TRANSIT ORIENTED T O D D DISTRICT RIGHT HERE. UH, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD TO ESTABLISH A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH THEY'VE REQUESTED GC THREE A. THE APPLICANT HAS, WELL, I JUST SAID THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR REGIONAL, UH, COMMERCIAL USES. APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED A LIST OF PROHIBITED USES WITHIN THE REQUESTED ZONING, UH, TO FURTHER STRENGTHEN THEIR REQUEST. SO TO SET THE STAGE IN TERMS OF ZONING TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH IS AN UNDEVELOPED PUD. YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, RED POLKA DOT SHADING THERE, UH, INTO THE WEST ACROSS, UM, 180 3 A IS THE NORTHLINE PUD. UM, SO SURROUNDING AREA, THE, THE PUD THAT'S SURROUNDING THEM, UM, IS THE SAN GABRIEL INDUSTRIAL, UH, MINOR PUD, UH, GO TO THE AERIAL. UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 180 3 A TOLL ROAD AND AVON WAY, UH, AGAIN TO THE EAST AND ACROSS 180 3 A IS THE NORTHLINE PUD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT. UH, THIS PROPERTY CONTAINS NO FLOOD PLANE, UH, AND SITS UNDEVELOPED TODAY. THE LOT CONTAINS, UH, TREE COVER, WHICH YOU SEE, UH, THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY OF LEANDER TREE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND MITIGATION. AT TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPERTY HAS ACCESS ONTO 180 3, A TOLL ROAD, UH, DRIVEWAYS ALONG 180 3 TOLL ROAD WILL BE REVIEWED AND RECEIVED OR REVIEWED AND, UH, RECEIVED PERMITTING THROUGH CT RMA THE DRIVEWAY SPACING ALONG 180 3, A TOLL ROAD WILL BE, UH, DICTATED BY THE TEXT DOT ACCESS MANAGEMENT MANUAL AT THE TIME OF THE CONCEPT PLAN SUBMITTAL. THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT EITHER A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, A TA WORKSHEET, OR, UH, PAY THE FEE IN LIEU OF A TA DETERMINED BY THE CITY ENGINEER, UH, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. THERE WILL ALSO BE A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, REQUIRED ALONG 180 3 A TOLL ROAD. UH, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY SITS UNDEVELOPED AND IT HAS ACCESS TO UTILITIES, UH, FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR NEAR, UH, OF 180 3 A TOLL ROAD. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE. UH, A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON NOVEMBER OF 21. NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT. POST-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UM, NOTIFICATIONS, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, NOTIFICATION IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY NEWS. UH, ON FEBRUARY 16TH, WE MAILED, UH, THE 200 FOOT BUFFER NOTIFICATION NOTICES AS WELL AS PLACED, UH, SIGNAGE, WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET, UH, ON FEBRUARY, UH, THE 22ND. UM, SO SIGNAGE WAS POSTED ON SITE. UH, TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE, AGAIN, THE FIRST, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND YOU'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWED BY THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE IN APRIL, UH, SIXTH AND APRIL 20TH WILL BE THE SECOND AND FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE. UH, AGAIN, NOTICES, UH, WERE MAILED BY THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FELL WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT TRACK. UH, BEING THAT NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OR HOAS WERE WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SUBJECT TO REZONE, NO ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH WAS REQUIRED. UH, THE WORKSHEET WAS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL, UH, STATING THAT, UH, THIS REQUEST IS PROPOSING A MINOR PUT IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE COMMERCIALLY, UH, THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF GC THREE A, WHICH IS OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROHIBITED SEVERAL USES WITHIN THE GC BASE, UH, DISTRICT REQUESTS SUCH AS ANIMAL HOSPITAL, FUNERAL HOME OFFICE, WAREHOUSE, AND EQUIPMENT SALES, UH, REPAIR SERVICE. THE REQUESTED BASED ZONING IS IN LINE WITH BOTH THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM, THAT'S THE END OF STAFF'S PRESENTATION WILL BE AVAILABLE, UH, AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. DALE. UH, APPLICANT PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS RICHARD MATHIAS. I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. UM, I WILL JUST DEFER ANY COMMENTS AND, AND, AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MATHIAS. UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, [00:10:01] I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR A DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MAY. NO QUESTIONS. MR. MO? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER OLIVER, NO QUESTIONS THAT TIME. VICE CHAIR? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I'M GOOD. AND I HAVE NONE AS WELL. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. I SECOND. I'LL SECOND . OKAY, SO SINCE VICE CHAIR DID BOTH, I WILL GIVE HER THE MOTION, UH, BY THE VICE VICE CHAIR LANTRIP AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOSS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UM, ONTO [9. Discuss and consider action on Tree Removal Case TRP-22-0011 regarding removal of a two Significant Trees associated with the Prime Office Warehouse Site Development Project located at 15901 Ronald Reagan Blvd., Leander, Williamson County, Texas.] THE REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON TREE REMOVAL CASE T RRP DASH 20 2011 REGARDING REMOVAL OF TWO SIGNIFICANT TREES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIME OFFICE WAREHOUSE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT LOCATED AT 15,901 RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD, LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THIS IS THE FINAL STEP IN THE TREE REMOVAL PROCESS. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO REMOVE TWO SIGNIFICANT TREES, TREE TAGS 3 0 4 AND 33 7 0.2 DUE TO CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIPLE OFFICE WAREHOUSE FLEX, UH, SPACE BUILDINGS AND ACCOMPANYING INFRASTRUCTURE PER THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE. UH, ARTICLE, UH, SIX SECTION ONE ITEM C, REMOVAL OF A SIGNIFICANT TREE, UH, GREATER THAN 18 CALIBER INCHES REQUIRES THE APPROVAL OF THIS COMMISSION, UH, OR AN ALTERNATIVE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, UH, WHERE APPLICABLE UNDESIRED OR IMPRACTICAL CONDITIONS EXIST ON SITE. SO, UH, TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. LET ME SEE IN THIS PICTURE. UH, FIREHOUSE IS, UH, TO THE WEST. THAT'S FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR. TO THE SOUTH IS AN EXISTING PU, A MOON VALLEY, UH, TREE NURSERY. SO THAT'S GONNA BE A, UH, TREE NURSERY, UH, INTO THE EAST IS UNDEVELOPED AND RESIDENTIAL. UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 15 9 0 1 RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 550 FEET DUE SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF RONALD REAGAN AND CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY. THE SUBJECT TRACK IS BOUND TO THE NORTH BY AN EXISTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOME AND ABSOLUTE MACHINE AND TOOLS COMMERCIAL SHOP AND TO THE EAST BY FIRE. STATION NUMBER FOUR TO THE SOUTH IS THE FUTURE SITE FOR MOON VALLEY NURSERY, UH, IN WHICH SITE PLANS ARE UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW AND TO THE EAST IS UNDEVELOPED LAND IN AN EXISTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOT. THE SUBJECTS SITE CONTAINS NO FLOOD CLEAN AND SLIGHT PATCHES OF TREE COVER. THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE ACCESS OFF OF RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD. THE TRACK IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, HOWEVER, STAFF IS CONCURRENTLY REVIEWING A SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL, WHICH THIS IS TIED TO. UM, LET'S SEE. SO THIS IS TREE 3 0 4. THIS IS TREE 3 37. UH, IT'S A MULTI TRUNK TREE AND UH, ONE OF THE TRUNKS IS PRETTY LARGE. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT. UM, IT'S OVER THE 18 INCHES. UM, SO, UM, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION BY THE COMMISSION OF A HERITAGE TREE. UH, NOTED ON THE EXHIBIT THERE WAS A HERITAGE TREE THAT WAS TO BE REMOVED. UH, THAT SHOULD BE THIS TREE RIGHT HERE. IT WAS TREE, UH, 3 81, I BELIEVE. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SO THEY HAD A TREEMAN GROUP COME OUT AND TAKE ASSESSMENT OF THE SITE. UH, THEY PROVIDED A TREE REMOVAL LETTER, SAID THE DDI, I MEAN IT'S DEAD DISEASED OR, UH, INCLEMENT, UH, TO FALL. UH, SO THEY REMOVED IT WITHOUT PENALTY. SO THAT'S WHY THAT HERITAGE TREE WAS ZEROED OUT ON YOUR, UH, EXHIBITS. UM, OTHER THAN THAT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO PROVIDE. UH, WE'LL BE HERE AFTER THE OPENING IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRE STATION WANTED TO MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF A RIGHT OF WAY OUT TO RONALD REAGAN. THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE THEIR SITE, UH, THE, THE DRIVES ON THEIR SITE, AND I DON'T SEE ONE ON THE PLAN RIGHT THERE IS THAT YOU SEE THE DRIVE THAT GOES TO THE EAST THERE. MM-HMM. , DID THEY INTEND ON GETTING LANDLOCKED BACK THERE WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GET OUT TWO RONALD REAGAN. SO THEY DID, THEY WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THIS REQUEST. I DON'T THINK IT'S A STRAIGHT ACCESS. I THINK THEY HAVE RECIPROCAL ACCESS THOUGH. WELL, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THEIR PLAN HERE THAT SHOWS A DRIVE THAT GOES OUT TO THE EAST OUT TO RONALD REAGAN ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY. SEE THE CONNECTION RIGHT THERE AT THE, THE BOTTOM? MM-HMM. . I DIDN'T SEE ONE. I SEE RIGHT THERE ON THE MAP. YEAH, IT'S AT THE VERY BOTTOM RIGHT THERE. THEY CONNECT, [00:15:01] BUT THEY DON'T GO STRAIGHT OUT TO, IT GOES THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. SO THEY HAD DETENTION CONSTRAINTS. OKAY. AND WE, AS LONG AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S. OKAY. BUT YEAH, THEY REVIEWED IT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T WANT ACCESS OH. TO RONALD REAGAN. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. BLESS YOU. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT, IT APPEARS FROM THIS CHART ON PAGE TWO THAT Y'ALL PROVIDED FOR US IN YOUR ANALYSIS THAT THEY WERE, THEY'RE BASICALLY REMOVING 100% OF THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. NOT ONE TREE AND THE NINE AC, ALMOST NINE ACRE SITE COULD BE SAVED. WHAT? WELL IT'S UM, WAS IT EIGHT? WHAT IS THE ACREAGE HERE? 8.34 ACRES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE OF THE ANALYSIS AT, UM, REMOVABLE REMOVED INCHES, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE. EVERY, EVERY SINGLE TREE WAS REMOVED ON THE EIGHT AND A HALF ACRE OR SOMETHING. SO, SO I THINK THE APPLICANTS HERE AND THEY COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHY THEY HAD TO REMOVE THE TREES. OKAY, SURE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR. HI, MY NAME IS SANDY BRANTLEY. I'M WITH KIRKMAN ENGINEERING. UM, I REPRESENT THE CLIENT. HE'S ALSO HERE TODAY, SO I DO WANNA EXPLAIN THE TREES. UM, SO FOR THIS SITE, THE REASON WHY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SAVE THE TREES IS DUE TO THE EXISTING GRADING AND CONTOURS THAT ARE ON THE SITE. IF YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, THERE'S ABOUT 20 FEET OF GRADE CHANGE THROUGH HERE. AND TO BUILD ALL THESE BUILDINGS ALONG HERE AND THEN HAVE PAVEMENT THAT MEETS FIRE LANE REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT SO MUCH THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAVE THE TREES. BUT WE DID DECIDE TO MITIGATE FOR THE TREES BY PLANTING ALL THE NEW TREES. SO ALL THE GREEN TREES HERE ARE ALL FOR MITIGATION. AND THEN WE DO PLAN ON, UM, PAYING ANY, UM, FEES IN LIEU FOR, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE SO MUCH SPACING AND YOU CAN ONLY PLANT SO MANY TREES, BUT WE DO PLAN ON PAYING THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH ANY EXCESS THAT WE COULDN'T MEET. OKAY. BUT THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OLIVER? YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE. UM, I NOTICED ON THE, ON THE TREE MITIGATION, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES THAT ARE, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE REPLACING 116 INCHES, UM, IS WHAT I'M READING HERE AS FAR AS PROVIDING MITIGATION AND THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING, UM, PLACED THERE, SAY PLUS ONE INCH AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A, UH, SOME PLUS THREE INCH TREES. WHAT, WHY NOT GO WITH MORE PLUS THREE INCH TREES? I MEAN, I IMAGINE THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU ARE REMOVING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL THE TREES, RIGHT? SURE. UM, SO I GUESS CURRENTLY HOW, HOW WE'RE PROPOSING IT FOR THE ONE INCH TREES, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR IT TO GROW TO A THREE INCH TREE WOULDN'T TAKE THAT MUCH TIME TO MATURE THAT WAY. SO FOR THE COST OF THE PROJECT AND HAVING TO PAY ALSO FEES IN LIEU AS WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A WAY FOR US TO MITIGATE AND STILL PROVIDE THE NUMBER OF TREES, UM, FOR THE SITE. SO OVERALL, LIKE EVEN THOUGH IT'S LESS CALIPER INCHES, WE DO HAVE A HIGHER QUANTITY OF TREES AND THEN EVENTUALLY WHEN THEY DO MATURE, THEY IT WOULD EQUAL TO MORE CALIPER INCHES IN THE FUTURE. YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT A, YOU KNOW, A ONE INCH CALIPER TREE IS A VERY SMALL TREE AND I'LL SAY I'LL RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE ALSO LESS COSTS. SO I DO, IT DOES HELP YOU WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS. MM-HMM. OVERALL MM-HMM. . BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PERSONALLY MM-HMM. , I THINK IT'D BE BE NICE IF WE COULD SEE MORE PLUS THREE OR LARGER, YOU KNOW, CALIPER TREES INCLUDED. YOU DO HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF TREES AND I APPRECIATE THAT MM-HMM. , UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP NOW AND THESE, THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN THAT'S BEING ADDED, SO THAT THAT'S GOOD. GREAT. UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE IT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THAT THERE, THERE SHOULD BE MORE PLUS THREE INCH CALIPER TREES THERE. OKAY. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I REALLY HAD HAD FOR, FOR YOU, THE DEVELOPER. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE CITY HERE, UM, AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, ROBIN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED OUR MITIGATION FEES AND ADJUSTED, OR, OR I THINK IT WAS 20, I, I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. SO I THINK 2016 WE MADE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WHERE WE ACTUALLY, UM, ENFORCED TRUE REPLACEMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND ADDED HERITAGE TREE REQUIREMENTS. MM-HMM. , UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE UPDATED THE FEE SINCE THEN. OKAY. SO IT'S PROBABLY BEEN AT A GOOD SIX, SEVEN YEARS MM-HMM. SINCE WE'VE BEEN, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. YEAH. I MEAN MY, MY ONLY STATEMENT HERE, JUST AS, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WOULD BE I THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD LOOK TO, UH, REEVALUATE THOSE FEES. BUT [00:20:01] THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSION MOSS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSION. MAY THEY ASK 'EM OFF COMMISSION? CUSK? NO, I THINK THE VICE CHAIR RAISED THE, THE, THE ACCURATE POINT AND I JUST, I JUST WANT TO, TO UM, REITERATE THAT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG WITH THE SITE PLAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REMOVE THOSE TREES PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY I CAN ADD ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THE THREE INCH TREES? SURE, GO AHEAD. UM, I, I DO WANNA SAY THAT LIKE WHENEVER THEY WERE PROPOSING THE MITIGATION TREES, WE DID, UM, EVALUATE THE ORDINANCE AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALLOWED AND, UH, WOULD BE APPROVED. BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT OPTION SINCE YOU HAVE REQUESTED THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MOSS? UM, YES, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, HOW MANY ONE INCH TREES ARE, UM, WILL IT BE COMPARED TO HOW MANY THREE INCH TREES IT WILL BE? UM, FOR MITIGATION PURPOSES, USUALLY THEY, IT'S BY INCH BY INCHES. MM-HMM. HOW MANY YOU WOULD NEED. SO I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE THREE TO ONE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR SO MANY INCHES AND THEN PROVIDING THAT WOULD WOULD, WOULD BE IT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE LESS TREES, BUT THEY WOULD BE BIGGER TREES. SO IN THE FUTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST LET THEM MATURE, MAYBE A COUPLE YEARS THEY'LL GET TO THAT MUCH AND THEN IN FIVE TO 10 YEARS THEY'LL BE EVEN DOUBLE THE SIZE FROM THEN AS WELL. YEAH. BUT, UM, THAT'S A LONG TIME. SO WHAT YOU'RE, LET'S PARAPHRASE HERE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE ONE INCH TREES TO ONE THREE INCH TREE. YES. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? OKAY, THANK YOU. I THINK THE, THE MINIMUM TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENT THOUGH IS A TWO INCH TREE. RIGHT. WE DON'T PLANT ONE INCH TREES. OKAY. YEAH. AND I THINK IF I DO THE, DO THE MATH HERE, UM, COMMISSIONER MOSS, THERE'S, THERE'S 83 CALIPER INCHES OF ONE PLUS ONE INCH TREES BEING PLANTED. SO IN THEORY THAT'S 83 TREES. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THERE'S THREE, UH, AT LEAST 33 CALIBER INCHES OF PLUS THREE, UH, BEING PLUS THAT'S 11. I'M JUST OKAY. ASSUMING GIVE NUMBERS. THANK YOU. SO MOST OF THE QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED, I JUST HAVE ONE FOR THE CITY AS WELL. UM, WHEN IT, IT KIND OF STRUCK ME AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE REPLACEMENT TREES, WHICH I THINK IS AWESOME THAT WE REPLACE THE TREES, BUT WHAT'S OUR REQUIREMENT THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ACTUALLY GROW AND MAINTAIN THOSE? CUZ WE GET A LOT OF HEAT AND DRYNESS HERE AND THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY FOR THOSE TREES TO, TO DIE. WHAT, WHAT'S OUR REQUIREMENT AS A CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SURVIVE? SO THE, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE READILY AVAILABLE WATER SOURCE AND, UH, MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING. SO IT COMES DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT AND ENFORCEMENT IS CHALLENGING. OKAY. SO LIKE DRIP IRRIGATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? CORRECT TO THAT. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER AND IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND IT PASSES WITH THE FIVE TWO WITH THE, UM, NAY VOTES BEING VICE CHAIR OF LANTRIP AND COMMISSIONER MOSS. WOULD EITHER OF YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AS TO WHY YOU VOTED AGAINST IT? JUST SO JUST FOR THE RECORD AND SO THAT COUNCIL WILL UNDERSTAND, THIS ACTUALLY DOESN'T GO, OH, THIS ACTUALLY DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL. BUT STILL, BUT YOU CAN STILL SAY, BUT STILL I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. I DON'T THINK ENOUGH EFFORT WAS MADE TO PRESERVE THE TREES THAT WERE ON THE SITE. UH, WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE HAD SOME OF THOSE EXISTING TREES THAN, THAN ONE INCH, UM, ONE INCH TREES. AND I THINK A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TREES REMOVED ON, ON THAT SIZE ACREAGE IS, IS NOT AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE TREES. THAT'S WHY I VOTED THEM AND I VOTED NO BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL THAT ENOUGH, UM, OF THE BIGGER TREES COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SMALLER TREES AND IT'S GONNA TAKE YEARS FOR 'EM TO MATURE. SO THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, UH, THE TIME IS 6 24 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.