[1. Open Meeting.]
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GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 20TH, 2023, AND THE TIME IS 6:03 PM AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL.
[2. Roll Call.]
SECRETARY CRABTREE.WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER KATHERINE BATTALION PARKER.
COUNCIL MEMBER SME MACIE LEGIA.
COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD HERE.
[3. Discuss proposed amendments to the political sign ordinance.]
DELAW.HERE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE POLITICAL SIGN ORDINANCE.
COUNSEL IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A HANDY DANDY PRINTOUT OF EVERYTHING THAT ANYONE SUBMITTED, UM, ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE.
AND I BELIEVE MS. GRIFFIN, YOU'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS OR, OKAY.
SO IF YOU COULD, UH, READ THROUGH THE LISTINGS IN FRONT OF YOU AND GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK.
WAIT, REMIND ME, WHAT ARE WE DOING? UM, THESE ARE, THIS IS THE LISTING OF EVERYTHING THAT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER SUGGESTED FOR POLITICAL SIGN AMENDMENTS OUTSIDE OF OUR POLLING LOCATIONS.
WELL, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS THE OTHER DAY, IT, IT JUST, I GUESS WE'VE GOTTA DECIDE, CAUSE A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS MM-HMM.
SO WE HAVE TO, THIS IS JUST WHETHER OR NOT EVERYTHING PEOPLE ARE ON SUBMITTED, SO.
WHAT IS SAYING? NOT LIKE I GOT THE THAT'S WHAT I GOT THE IMPRESSION THIS WAS EVERYBODY'S AND THEY COULD CONTRADICT EACH OTHER, BUT EXACTLY.
SO WE NEED TO DECIDE AS A GROUP YEAH.
HOW WE FEEL ABOUT PEOPLE BEING THERE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD GO DOWN EACH ONE AND JUST KIND OF GET A, A FORM.
YOU WANNA DO THAT? IS THAT SURE CAN, THAT'S A QUESTION FIVE SIGN.
UM, DAR IS, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COUNTY DOES.
THESE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WERE ADDED FROM OTHER PEOPLE PUTTING IN THEIR REQUESTS BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOES ALLOW YOU, I GUESS, TO HAVE TENTS AT THE POLLING PLACES WITH CANDIDATES.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE SO MANY FEET.
THE CITY'S ORDINANCES TAKE PRECEDENTS RIGHT OVER.
SO, UM, THEY'RE RELYING ON THE, TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN IN THEIR CITIES AND NOT SEEN.
AND, UH, THE CITIES ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY IN LINE WITH REDUCING POSSIBLE NUMBER OF SIGNS BECAUSE THERE'S BECOME SUCH SIGN POLLUTION AT SIZE OF SIGNS AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT THEY HAVE NOT WORKED TOWARDS, IN GOD, A COMPLETE ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF TAKING WHAT THE CITIES DO.
SO IF WE ALLOW TENTS HERE, THEN THAT'S WHAT TAKES PLACE.
BUT IF WE SAY NO TENTS, THEN WE'RE ENFORCING.
WE EN OUR ORDEN, OUR ORDINANCE REGULATIONS AT TOLD.
BUT DOES THE COUNTY ALLOW IT IN THEIR ORDINANCE THE WAY THEY HAVE IT SET UP? UM, I'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE, SO I OKAY.
I, I JUST ALWAYS, I HAVE ALWAYS JUST FOLLOWED OUR CITY ORDINANCES.
UM, SO FIVE SIGNS MAX AT ANY POLLING LOCATION, CANDIDATE AND OR PROPOSITIONS.
SO I DIDN'T GIVE A NUMBER, BUT I AGREE.
THERE WAS ONE PLACE THIS LAST TIME, I, SO FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN ANYBODY WRITE A LIMITED AMOUNT.
I THINK THEY ONLY SAID THREE AND THERE WAS A SMALLER LOCATION.
IT WAS A TRAVIS COUNTY LOCATION IN OUR, IN LAST YEAR'S.
UM, BUT FIVE, I FEEL LIKE FIVE IS A, A REALLY GOOD NUMBER.
IS THERE ANYBODY OPPOSED TO IT? NOPE.
UH, YARD SIZE ONLY SLASH H STAKES.
ALSO FINE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO WRITE THIS THE, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING YARD SIZE, IF WE NEED A CLARIFICATION, JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, TWO OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT I THINK WHATEVER THAT NORMAL SIZE IS, IS I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOT TO EXCEED AND THEN THE SIZE, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO SMALLER SIGNS ARE, IT DOESN'T MATTER NOT TO EXCEED.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BIGGER THAN THAT.
NOT, NOT TO EXCEED WHATEVER THAT STANDARD YARD SIGN IS.
AND I KNOW DORA KNOWS IT OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD.
5:00 PM SORRY, WE GOT THAT
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE.
SAME SAYING LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU CAN GO TO CHURCH, YOU GIVE HIM UNTIL FIVE OR EIGHT OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT NEXT DAY YOU'VE GOT ELECTION HANGOVER OR YOU'VE BEEN RUNNING YES.
RIGHT? SO MAYBE 48 HOURS OR WHATEVER.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE WITHIN, I THINK BY STATE LAW IT HAS TO BE WITHIN LIKE THREE DAYS OR SOMETHING.
IS IT 24? I THOUGHT IT WAS 48.
I THINK IT'S JUST BY THE END OF THE WEEKEND.
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I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR NOON, BUT, UH, WE'LL BACK IT UP TO LIKE 8:00 PM IS FINE.HOW ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THAT SAID WAS AT 7 7 7 O'CLOCK.
AND I, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT DRIVING AROUND AND WRITING TICKETS FOR SIGNS UP AT 7 0 5.
WELL THAT, WHAT MAKE SENSE IS WHEN EVERYBODY COMES BACK TO WORK ON MONDAY.
THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD ALL BE GONE.
SO THE MAXIMUM SQUARE AREA OF A SIGN ON, UM, HERE IT'S EIGHT.
WELL, THERE'S EIGHT SQUARE FEET ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
YEAH, THOSE ARE THE BIG SIGNS.
THE LITTLE ONES ARE LIKE 18 BY 32 OR SOMETHING.
NO, I'M NOT JUST YOUR STANDARD BAND.
THAT'S BIGGER THAN, THOSE ARE THE BIG SIGNS.
JOSHUA? I HAVE A, DO YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO, WHAT IS THE MAX, THE REGULAR YARD SIZE SIGNS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE SIGNS ARE? SIZE? THEY'RE LIKE TWO FEET, FIVE.
JOSHUA DAVIS, ASSISTANT CHIEF FIRE MARSHAL.
SO THE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNS THAT ARE YARD SIGN? YEAH.
TYPICALLY IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THAT UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DIMENSIONS, BUT THEY'RE ALL PRETTY STANDARD.
UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE 18 INCH BY 24 INCH.
AND THEN THEY MAY, SOME MAY BE 24, 24 I THINK MAXIMUM, BUT OKAY.
WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND THEN PUT A YEAH.
SO, UH, NO SIGNS ON BUILDINGS, POLES, OR TREES.
SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, IS THIS ON, I TAKE THAT BACK.
IS THIS, IS THIS ELECTION DAY OR ON AT, UM, AT THE POLLS.
I'M THINKING IN GENERAL, I'M THINKING IN GENERAL.
SO EARLY VOTING, IF SOMEBODY HAS A BUILDING AND THEY WANNA PUT A SIGN UP ON THEIR BUILDING, THEY CAN DO THAT.
THIS IS JUST AT THE POLES? YEAH.
I WOULD SAY THEY CAN'T BE ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR OWN H STAKES.
UM, SOMETIMES YOU SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH LIKE THE BIG GIANT WOODEN POLE AND LIKE A BUNCH OF SIGNS ON IT.
IF THEY'RE BEING HELD, HOW'S THAT? BECAUSE THEY, THEY CAN BECOME A NUISANCE AND KIND OF A HAZARD IF THEY'RE STACKED AND IN THE GROUND AND NOT MANNED MM-HMM.
BUT IF SOMEBODY IS HOLDING 'EM, WHICH WE'LL GET TO IF, IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY, BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO HOLD A SIGN.
SO ARE HOLDING SIGNS INCLUDED IN THAT FIVE SIGNS AT THE POLLING STATION? WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT ONE YET.
BECAUSE YOU COULD HOLD WHAT, TWO OR THREE ON A SIGN I GUESS.
WELL, YOU COULD HOLD THREE DIFFERENT SIGNS, RIGHT? SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE COULD JUST SIGN.
SO NOBODY STATIONARY ONES THERE, WHICH COULD MAKE ME HAPPY.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT.
AND THAT'LL LET US GET TO THE PEOPLE HOLDING THEM.
NO CANDIDATE TENTS OR PEOPLE MANNING THEM? I'M OKAY WITH TENTS.
I DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE WITH, I HAVE NO PREFERENCE.
I JUST CAN'T, I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE RULES ARE ABOUT HOW FAR IT HAS TO BE.
SO YOU GUYS WANNA KEEP TENTS? YEAH.
AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS.
I'M OKAY WITH PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS.
ANYBODY WANT TO, SOMEBODY SUBMITTED THIS.
SO DOES ANYBODY WANNA DEFEND IT? WELL, THE REASON WHY I SAID NO, PEOPLE HOLDING SONS, IT'S CUZ I'VE BEEN TO THE POLLS SO MANY TIMES AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BEING ATTACKED AND, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN STAND THERE AND IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA TALK TO ME AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BOTHER ME AND I'M GONNA VOTE FOR WHO I'M GONNA VOTE TO.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU JUST GET, YOU GET HARASSED ALMOST MM-HMM.
AND SO, AND THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE.
IT'S LIKE, WELL IF YOU CAN'T COME THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HARASS ME.
AND I JUST FOUND, I FIND THAT BETWEEN THE SIGNS AND THEN THE TENTS AND THEN EVERYBODY, OH, HERE YOU WANT A DONUT AND YOU WANTED THIS AND WHO'D YOU VOTE FOR AND YOU BETTER DO THIS AND YOU BETTER DO THAT.
IT JUST, IT MAKES IT A CIRCUS.
IT'S DAUNTING AND IT MAKES IT A CIRCUS.
AND I JUST ASSUME, I THINK A POLLING PLACE IS IF YOU'VE MADE UP YOUR MIND OF WHO YOU'RE GONNA VOTE FOR, HAVING SOMEBODY HOLD A SIGN OUTSIDE THE DOOR IS NOT GONNA REALLY INFLUENCE PEOPLE
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ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.SO SOME OF THAT THOUGH, YOU CAN GO TO THE ELECTIONS, JUDGE THAT'S THERE.
I'D HAD TO DO THAT LAST YEAR BECAUSE THERE WAS, CUZ TYPICALLY YOU'VE GOT THE PEOPLE OUT BY THE STREET HOLDING THE SIGNS AND THAT'S COOL.
UM, BUT IF THEY'RE CALLING ACROSS THE PARKING LOT, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
AND LAST YEAR I WENT TO VOTE AND IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST DAYS OF EARLY VOTING.
AND SO THE LINE WAS LONG AND SO THERE WAS A CANDIDATE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE LONG LINE, GOING TO THE BACK AND TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE STUCK IN LINE.
AND SO, AND THEY WERE JUST OUTSIDE THE HUNDRED MARKER, BUT THE PEOPLE ARE INSIDE AND THEY'RE JUST TALKING TO 'EM.
SO I WENT TO THE JUDGE AND THEY MADE THEM MOVE BACK.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS I THINK ARE JUST A PUBLIC EDUCATION KIND OF THING.
WE CAN'T REALLY ADD THAT FOR TO THIS, BUT YEAH.
BUT THAT SHOULD BE A, A RULE TOO.
YOU CAN'T TALK TO PEOPLE ONLINE UNLESS THEY WANNA TALK TO YOU.
JUST LIKE YOU CANNOT SPEAK TO THE WHOLE CROWD OF PEOPLE STANDING THERE AND ASSAULT THEM WITH YOUR WORDS.
BUT BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SIGNAGE.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVER LIKE OVERREGULATING THIS THING TOO.
THAT'S THAT'S EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO COME AND DO.
EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO COME.
AND IF, IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE ANYBODY THAT WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND THEY WANTED TO SAY THE HELL WITH ANY OF THIS, DON'T VOTE FOR ANY OF THESE PEOPLE MM-HMM.
AND SO I DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE JUST NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THAT TERRITORY WITH THIS.
PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS CAN HOLD SIGNS AND WAVE SIGNS WHEN PULLING LOCATIONS ARE OPEN AND MAINTAIN THE REQUIRED DISTANCE FROM PULLING LOCATION ENTRANCE.
THAT KIND OF SUMS UP WHAT WE JUST SAID.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE CURRENT RULES.
JUST A QUESTION ON HOLDING SIGNS.
LIKE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HOLDING SIGNS, BUT DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY, AND, AND I HEAR CHRIS'S POINT, BUT SOME PEOPLE DO STACK THEM WHILE HOLDING THEM.
SO THAT'S OKAY, WELL WE'RE GETTING THAT OUT.
ALL INDIVIDUALS TO HOLD STACKED YARD SIGNS.
WHAT DOES THAT THAT MEAN? OH YEAH.
I DON'T, SO THEY CAN'T BE IN THE GROUND.
IS THAT WHAT, WHO SO WHOEVER WROTE THIS, IS THAT WHAT YOUR INTENTION WAS? I DIDN'T WRITE IT, BUT I, I TAKE THAT TO SAY KIND OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
I, I DID NOT WRITE THIS, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO STACK YARD SIGNS, THEY MUST BE HELD.
SO IT'D BE LIKE AN ELECTION DAY THING, NOT LIKE A STACK THERE WAITING FOR YEAH.
IF YOU WANNA HOLD MULTIPLE SIGNS, THAT'S FINE.
DO WE, UM, WANT TO DECIDE HOW MANY PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY BRINGS 50 VOLUNTEERS, THAT'S THE SAME DIFFERENCE AS YOU HAVING 50 OF THOSE LITTLE SIGNS ALL OVER THE PLACE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM.
UM, IF ANYBODY REALLY ASK 50 PEOPLE THAT WOULD SHOW UP AND DO THAT, INCLUDE A NUMBER IN THAT, LIKE FIVE STATIONARY AND, AND PICK A NUMBER OF, AGAIN, I, I WOULD DO THAT ONCE WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO, WAIT AGAIN.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT AGAIN TOO.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR PROBLEM.
OUR PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU DRIVE BY AND YOU SEE 5,000 SIGNS OUTSIDE MM-HMM.
I, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE.
SO I, I THINK THAT I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THE SAME THING AS BEFORE.
UM, IF WE'RE THE, THE, THE SIGNS THAT ARE IN THE GROUND, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A THING THAT COULD EASILY BE REGULATED.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND YOU CAN STILL SEE JU YOU CAN STILL SEE JUST AS GOOD.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GET INTO TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO AT THE POLLS THAT ARE OUT OUTSIDE OF THE RULES THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO.
SO FOR THE STACKED YARD SIGNS, PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE HOLDING THEM, THAT'S FINE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE OUT THERE.
SO TO CHRIS'S POINT, I MEAN, AWESOME.
IF YOU DID
WELL, IF THAT'S A CONCERN, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE IF THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS YEAH.
UM, AND SOMEBODY DID THE MATH HERE, MAXIMUM SIZE SIGNS 18 BY 24, UHHUH
UH, STACKING, STRINGING OR TYING ANY SIGNS TOGETHER IS PROHIBITED IF USING H STAKES.
I WOULD SAY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? DEFINITELY NO STRINGING OR TYING SIGNS TOGETHER JUST BECAUSE IT CREATES A BARRIER.
BUT YOU WOULD USE THE H STAKES TO MAKE THOSE STACKABLE SIGNS IF SOMEBODY WAS STANDING AND HOLDING THEM.
IT'S LIKE A, YEAH, IT'S LIKE A FENCE POST AND THEY JUST TACK 'EM ON AND I'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND I TAPED 'EM TOGETHER SO THEY DON'T FALL, GO SEVEN DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO I, AGAIN, I DON'T, THANKS FOR THAT.
I, MY, YEAH, I MEAN MY, MY, UH, MY COMMENT WILL BE THE SAME AS THE LAST COUPLE COMMENTS.
SO I THINK THIS ONE IS REALLY COVERED EARLIER WITH WHAT WE SAID ABOUT STATIONARY SIGNS.
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SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO CROSS THAT ONE OFF, RIGHT? MM-HMM.UH, HANDHELD SIGNS MUST MEET THE SAME REQUIREMENT FOR H STAKE SIGNS AND LITTLE LARGER THAN 18 BY 24 AND CANNOT BE STACKED WITH OTHER CANDIDATES BOND ITEMS OR OTHER BALLOT ITEMS. I THINK WE ALREADY COVERED THAT SO WE CAN CROSS THIS ONE.
YEAH, I MEAN, THE FRONT PART OF IT'S FINE.
AND WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE STACK, THAT'S WHERE WE START GOING THE OTHER WAY.
BUT WE ALREADY DETERMINED STACKED, THAT'S HANDHELD AS FINE.
SO, AND THEN LAST IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT WE COME UP WITH.
SO WE DON'T CARE WHAT THEY STACK WITH NOW AS LONG AS IT'S ONE PER THING.
KINDA LIKE HOA RULES, RIGHT? YOU CAN HAVE ONE SIGN OUT PER THING THAT'S ON A BALLOT.
UH, AND THEN ANY VIOLATION WILL RESULT IN THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL BY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE DESTRUCTION OF SIGNS IN VIOLATION OF SET ORDINANCE.
IS THAT ALREADY TYPICALLY DESTROY THE SIGNS? DON'T, WE DON'T TYPICALLY DESTROY, WE NOTIFY THEM TO, TO COME PICK IT UP.
SO JUST SCRATCH THAT LAST PART ABOUT DESTRUCTION AND JUST BE PICKED UP BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD OR OTHER THOUGHTS? SO I WAS JUST THINKING AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THESE, JUST NO COVERING ANOTHER CANDIDATE OR, UH, PROPOSITIONS.
COVERING OF ANOTHER CANDIDATE SIGN.
I THINK ONCE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE, OH YEAH.
ONCE YOU CAN'T PUT 20 OF YOUR SIGNS OR 30 OF YOUR SIGNS IN FRONT OF A PLACE TOO.
IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE THEN.
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLARIFICATION.
THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO PUT IT IN THERE.
I WOULD SAY NO COVERING AND NO ALTERING.
DON'T TOUCH ANYBODY ELSE'S SIDE.
DO WE, DO WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN ORDINANCE ABOUT THAT? NO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE GENERAL BEST PRACTICES.
I THINK IT'S IN THE STATE RULES.
I THINK YOU JUST DO A GOOD JOB OF GOING OVER THAT WITH US, UH, WHEN YOU'RE SETTING EXPECTATIONS.
[4. Discuss Board, Committee, and Commission roles and responsibilities.]
GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR.DISCUSS BOARD, COMMITTEE AND COMMISSION RULES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT HAVE CROPPED UP IN DIFFERENT BOARDS LATELY.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MOSTLY JUST GROWING PAINS, BUT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND I FELT LIKE THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION FOR US TO HAVE.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO IT, I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM MORE THAN ONE BOARD LATELY.
SO, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES IS WHY ARE MOST OF OUR BOARDS SUBJECT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT? THAT'S BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED AS A WHOLE WHEN CREATING THEM, THEY FOLLOW THE SAME RULES WE DO WITH OPEN MEETINGS, POSTING THEIR MEETINGS, ALL OF THAT.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH WHY ARE WE IN A ADVISORY COMMITTEE? WELL, BECAUSE WE ARE THE, THE DECISION MAKERS.
OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ADVISE US, AND THAT'S HOW IT IS IN TEXAS STATE LAW.
SO THAT IS HOW IT IS IN THEIR ORDINANCES.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THEY'VE WANTED TO KNOW WHY THEY CAN'T HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
AND IF THEY'RE DOING THAT OPEN MEETINGS TRAINING THAT WE ASK THEM TO DO, THEY WOULD READ THROUGH SECTION 5 51 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH Y'ALL HEAR ME SAY EVERY MEETING, WHENEVER WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, I CITE OUT THIS LAUNDRY LIST OF REASONS WHY WE'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THAT TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 LAYS OUT WHO CAN AND CANNOT GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND WHY THERE HAS TO BE A REASON WE CAN'T JUST GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE WE WANNA HAVE A PRIVATE TALK.
WE HAVE TO BE CONSULTING WITH OUR ATTORNEY OVER A LEGAL MATTER OR DELIBERATING A CONTRACT.
THERE ARE VERY STRICT REASONS SET OUT UNDER THE LAW THAT SAY THAT THIS BOARD CAN MEET IN A CLOSED SESSION.
UM, AND NO ADVISORY COMMITTEE REACHES THAT LEVEL.
I HAVE SEEN IT DONE AT ETHICS FOR THE EXACT SAME PURPOSE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FINAL SAY IN SOME MATTERS, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO CONSULT WITH AN ATTORNEY, BUT IT IS VERY NARROWLY DEFINED IN THE LAW.
AND SO I WANTED TO, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF ALL THIS, JUST LAY THAT OUT FOR OUR COMMITTEES THAT ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER.
IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE RAINING FROM ON HIGH AND TELLING YOU HOW IT IS.
THERE ARE REASONS FOR OUR RULES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM GONNA TURN THIS DISCUSSION OVER TO CITY MANAGER, BEVERLY.
UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA START WITH SOME OF THE DIFFICULT STUFF FIRST.
I THINK THAT, UM, I DO HAVE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME, SOME, UM, DIALOGUE AT DIFFERENT TIMES ON COMMITTEES THAT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR, LET ME JUST USE EVEN PAST STAFF THAT'S NOT HERE, UH, THAT WERE LIAISONS TO.
I CAN THINK AT DIFFERENT TIMES, AT LEAST THREE COMMITTEES.
UM, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY IT, IT, IT IS NOT A RECRUITING DEVICE AT THIS POINT WITH WHEN THAT DOES OCCUR.
NOW, SOME OF OUR OTHER, I'M SEEING A, UH, A LESS THAN DIPLOMATIC, UH, UH, SETTING AT SOME OF OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
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NOW IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE ADVISORY COMPONENT.IN A PERFECT WORLD ADVISORY COMMITTEES CAN BE A, FOR A FORCE MULTIPLIER.
I DO THINK THAT THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE NARROW ENOUGH TO THE MISSION.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC COMMITTEE, BUT JUST KIND OF GLOBALLY.
I HAVE WORKED IN, IN CITIES, UM, THAT HAVE HAD ADVISORY COMMITTEES, LET'S SAY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DIDN'T MEET THAT FREQUENTLY.
THEY DID NOT HAVE A FOUR B CORP.
UH, THEY WERE LONGSTANDING, UH, LIMITED NUMBER OF MEMBERS, UH, THAT HAD BUSINESSES IN THE OLD PART OF TOWN.
SO BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES, I THINK WE HAD MAYBE FOUR OF THEM.
THEY UNDERSTOOD THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BUDGET.
THEY UNDERSTOOD WE DIDN'T HAVE A FOUR B CORP.
UM, IT WAS A VERY SUPPORTIVE GROUP AND LIMITED ROLE.
I'VE WORKED IN TWO OTHER CITIES WITH FOUR B CORPSE THAT HAVE, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT, LET'S SAY ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, THE INTENT, I BELIEVE WAS IN ANTICIPATION IF THE ELECTION WENT A CERTAIN WAY WHEN THAT WAS STOOD UP PREVIOUSLY UNDER PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, THAT IT WOULD AT LEAST BE IN PLACE IF A FOUR B CORP NEEDED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACTIVATED.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, WITH A FOUR B CORPORATION, YOU HAVE MORE, KIND OF LIKE THE MAYORS REFERENCED TO, UH, THIS BODY.
YOU HAVE DEFINED, UH, UNDER STATE LAW OPERATING PARAMETERS.
YOU HAVE AN ANNUAL BUDGET CONSULTATION WITH BOND COUNCIL, SO FORTH.
UM, NOT UNLIKE SOMETHING LIKE A TUR BOARD.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE OBSERVATION.
UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY FOCUS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS IS DEFINITELY A ROLE FOR, UH, VOLUNTEERS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T COME FROM, LET'S SAY, THE HARD, FAST, UH, DISCIPLINES.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU DO GET INTO CERTAIN AREAS, HAVING, HAVING SOME ACTUAL EXPERIENCE IN THOSE AREAS, LET'S SAY BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT OR RETENTION, UH, THINGS LIKE HAVING BRICK AND MORTAR, UH, BUSINESS EXPERIENCE, THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT ALSO WITH A MUCH MORE LIMITED SCOPE, UH, SUCH AS BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE BUDGET.
AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE I AND COM COMPLETELY.
SEE, THAT COULD ALSO BE A, A POINT OF FRUSTRATION IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S THEIR JOB TO GO RECRUIT BUSINESSES.
AND I, I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION GOES BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL CHARTER.
IT INCLUDES ITEMS THAT ALMOST LEND THEMSELVES TOWARDS DOING THINGS THAT ARE NOT PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE THE RESOURCES AREN'T THERE TO DO IT.
AND I WANNA JUMP IN HERE CUZ I, I NOTICED SOME OF THE SAME THINGS.
UM, THINGS THAT THEY JUST CAN'T DO.
SO ITEM G IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR ORDINANCE PROMOTES STREAMLINING THE CITY'S REGULATORY PROCESSES AS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, WE HAD A CONSULTANT THAT IS WELL VERSED IN THAT, THAT TOOK CARE OF THAT, UM, PREPARE AND DISTRIBUTE.
THIS IS, UM, K PREPARE AND DISTRIBUTE MATERIAL AND DATA ADVERTISING THE ADVANTAGES OF THE CITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ATTRACTING APPROPRIATE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT DO THAT.
AND THEN N DETERMINE THE DESIRABILITY OF AN EDC SECTION UNDER THE CITY HOME WEBPAGE PROMOTING LEAN'S BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING A REWRITE OF THE ORDINANCE TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO? THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
AND TO, AND TO REALLY ALSO MAKE THAT CLEAR ALSO WITH A MEMBERSHIP THAT, THAT YES, WE WOULD LIKE THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT, BUT THAT WE WANT IT IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY CAN BE THE MOST PRODUCTIVE ACTUALLY.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE SUGGESTING EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, WE CAN'T EVEN DO THAT UNDER, UNDER STATE LAW.
THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SERVE AT THE, JUST LIKE WE SERVE AS STAFF AT Y'ALL'S PLEASURE, THEY, THEY SERVE AS ADVISORY COMMITTEES IN, IN THAT SAME ROLE.
AND I DO THINK THAT NARROWED FOCUS COULD HAVE A GREAT BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO BUSINESS RETENTION VISITS, UH, WITH THE EXISTING BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? THEY COULD HELP US TAKE SURVEYS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A, WE DID HAVE A, AN ARMY OF ONE.
AND, UH, RANDALL AND NICOLE ARE HERE TONIGHT.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT.
NOT TO THROW Y'ALL INTO, INTO THAT MIX, BUT I THINK THAT THE GOAL WOULD BE IF IT EXISTS, HAVE IT EXIST IN
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THE MOST PRODUCTIVE WAY.UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITH MORE THAN JUST THE ECONOMIC COMMITTEE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
I THINK, UM, I THINK THIS SOME ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP IN OTHER COMMITTEES AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO SORT OF STREAMLINE THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE DONE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE DONE THE SAME ON EACH BOARD.
I THINK HAVING THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE FOR STAFF AND WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE FOR THE BOARD.
AND SO THEY UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S HAPPENING ON SOME OF OUR BOARDS LATELY IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT BOARD THINKS THEY'RE ABLE TO DO.
AND WHEN THEY RUN UP AGAINST THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S PERSONAL.
UM, AND SO MAYBE IF WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STREAMLINING THAT AND BEING CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF OUR BOARDS.
UM, I HEARD FROM ONE OF THE BOARDS THIS WEEK ABOUT AGENDA SETTING AND WHO'S IN CHARGE OF SETTING THE AGENDA? IS IT THE CHAIR OR IS IT STAFF? I THINK WE NEED TO GET THOSE SORTS OF THINGS IN WRITING AND, AND DEVELOP THAT PROCESS.
SO DO WE WANNA START WITH ECNO DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE? WE, WE COULD TAKE IT IN IN ANY ORDER IF THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT HAVING CLEAR EXPECTATIONS FROM COUNCIL MAKES IT CLEAR FOR THE MEMBERSHIP AND THEN ALSO FOR STAFF TOO.
BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE, LET'S SAY HISTORICALLY AT DIFFERENT TIMES, STAFF HAS FELT LIKE THEY'RE UNDER ON EGGSHELLS, MAYBE THE NICEST WAY TO SAY IT.
AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, ARE BLURRED LIKE THAT, IT JUST MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER FOR, FOR US TO GET ANYTHING DONE, UH, ON THE STAFF LEVEL OR AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
SO WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN START WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND RANDALL, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT CITIES AS WELL, UM, PRIOR TO THIS AND IF IT WERE TO BE B R E, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON VISITS TO THE EXISTING BUSINESS COMMUNITY SURVEYS, UM, WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND SHOP LOCAL AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND ON THAT, MAYBE THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BYLAWS.
UH, RANDALL MOLIK, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, DIRECTOR, UM, JUST IN, IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY DURING MY TIME IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, INDUSTRY, THE ONE, UM, CONCERN THAT WE OFTEN, OFTEN GET IS WE'RE OFTEN CHASING, UM, UH, BIG, LARGE PRIMARY, UH, EMPLOYERS AND COMPANIES AND AS WELL AS, UH, LARGER RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO WE HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME THAT, OH, ARE YOU HELPING OUT SMALL BUSINESSES? AND WHERE DOES, UH, WE'RE DO WE HAVE AN ADVOCATE FROM A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR CITY, UH, STANDPOINT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IS A, A BIG, UM, CAN BE A BIG PRIORITY FOR, FOR US IN A, IN A COMMITTEE IN IN GENERAL.
AND I DO KNOW THAT IN SPEAKING ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, ONE OF THEIR, UM, BIG SUCCESSES HAS BEEN THE, THE SMALL BUSINESS REELS THAT WERE CREATED BY THE, BY THE COMMITTEE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, THE LEANDER CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
SO I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SUCCESS, UH, THERE AND THAT THAT IS ONE, UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY AN AVENUE THAT, THAT, THAT BOARD COULD, COULD REALLY HELP US WITH AS WE, UM, TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND, AND THE ONE OTHER THING, AND RANDALL HIT ON IT AND HE KIND OF HIT ON IT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A FOUR B CORP, REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN USE EVEN UPFRONT MONEY FOR INCENTIVES.
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION, WE REALLY HAVE TO OPERATE IN A VERY DISCREET WAY DURING THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WITH, UH, PROSPECTS.
AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS WHERE I THINK THAT SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO LITERALLY GET IN FRONT OF THOSE PROSPECTS.
HOWEVER, THAT CREATES A CONFLICT FROM, I MEAN, WE HAVE LIKE RIGHT NOW, UH, NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS THAT BOTH COUNCIL AND STAFF HAS SIGNED AT DIFFERENT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT PROSPECTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TO USE THE OLD CLICHE LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS, BUT WE HAVE EVEN HAD HISTORIC SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE HAD MEMBERSHIP AT DIFFERENT TIMES, TRY TO REACH OUT, TRY TO CONTACT WHAT THEY THINK ARE PROSPECTS OR LANDOWNERS.
AND I'LL JUST SAY IT UP FRONT THAT IS, UH, NOT BEST PRACTICES AND THAT COULD BE A BAD OUTCOME.
SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD REASON TO, TO NARROW IT.
AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY IN THEIR ORDINANCE, THEY JUST AREN'T DOING THEM.
SO ITEM D, IDENTIFY CHANGING ECONOMIC TRENDS AND DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE CITY OF LEANER ITEM C, DEVELOP AND ADVOCATE FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
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STRATEGY FOR BROADER LONG RANGE STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM J SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE EXISTING BUSINESSES SEEKING TO REMAIN OR EXPAND IN THE CITY.UM, SO YEAH, MAYBE JUST NARROWING THAT DOWN.
YEAH, I THINK NARROWING THAT DOWN WOULD BE HUGE.
UM, CAUSE BASICALLY RATHER THAN THE, THE GOING OUT AND TRYING TO BE THE RECRUITERS, WHICH WE NOW HAVE A FULLY STAFFED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU LORD.
AND, UM, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RETENTION AND EXPANSION WITHIN MM-HMM.
AND THEY COULD PARTNER WITH THE, WITH THE CHAMBER, I'M GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
I, I I LOVE THE IDEA OF NARROWING THE FOCUS.
I WAS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THE PAST ITERATION OF IT, AND I REMEMBER THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TOLD THERE CUZ WE ASKED, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? RIGHT? AND WE WERE TOLD, YOU ARE THE CHEERLEADERS.
WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE SAYING SOMETHING ONLINE, YOU SPREAD THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.
YOU TELL PEOPLE WHAT A GREAT PLACE THIS IS TO OPEN A BUSINESS AND YOU JUST ADVOCATE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR, BUT THIS WOULD BE THAT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
IF WE COULD GET THEM TO GO OUT AND JUST SAY, I SAY IT ALL THE TIME, GO INTO YOUR BUSINESSES AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING LEANDER.
UM, AND, AND WE KNOW BUSINESS RETENTION IS HUGE.
IT HURTS US WHEN WE LOSE A TAXPAYER.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE SOMEWHAT, I I DON'T KNOW IF TOO CLEAR OR OR LOOSE ON THAT CONCEPT BECAUSE I MEAN, REALLY TO ME, IF YOU LIVE HERE, YOU ARE AN ADVOCATE FOR LEANDER OR YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PLACE TO LIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK EVERYONE, LIKE IF, IF IF A, AN IND INDIVIDUAL THAT HAPPENS TO BE ON, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS A FRIEND THAT'S A BUSINESS OWNER AND IN AUSTIN OR WHEREVER AND WANTS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO MOVE HERE, THAT'S A CONVERSATION.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY FOR, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S JUST MAKING A CONNECTION AND INTRODUCING TO, UH, TO, UH,
BUT ONCE THEY INTRODUCE TO RANDALL, RANDALL, THERE'S A COMPETI INTEREST IN THEY SHOULD STEP BACK.
JUST LIKE IF WE INTRODUCE SOMEBODY TO RANDALL, THEN WE SAY, EXACTLY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAPPY TO INTRODUCE YOU.
BUT THAT'S WHY I I, I FEEL LIKE WE, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT, BUT I THINK YES, THEY CAN, BUT JUST MAKE THE INTRODUCTION.
THERE'S NO REASON, IN MY OPINION, THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE.
WELL, LET ME, WHEN THEY, THEY SAY THAT THEY, THEY JUST KNOW SOMEBODY.
THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY ARE OUR STAFF.
THAT'S NOT, BUT JUST SAY, I I HELP WITH THE CITY.
I'M PASSIONATE, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME TO MY CITY TOTALLY.
I THINK THAT'S FINE IF THEY HAPPEN TO KNOW SOMEBODY MM-HMM.
BUT NOT TRYING TO GET INVOLVED IN DEALS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT RICK WAS TRYING TO SAY YES.
IS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE ANYONE BECAUSE THERE ARE NDAS AND ALL THE THINGS MM-HMM.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A BUDDY THAT'S LOOKING OR HAPPENS TO BE LANDED AND GO, HEY, I GOT SOMEBODY YOU NEED TO ME MM-HMM.
IF THEY WANNA BRING THE, THE TROUBLE WHERE IT HAS ARISEN IS WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE AN NDA, THERE'S ALREADY A PROSPECT AND THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, WHEN BACK CHANNELS LEAD TO FOLKS TRYING TO FIND OUT THE STATUS OF A PROJECT OR PEOPLE HAVE MADE CONTACT WITH BROKERS OR PEOPLE ARE HANDING AROUND CARDS AND TRYING TO MAKE OTHER CONTACT, UH, THROUGH THINKING THAT, OKAY, WELL WE DON'T FOLLOW UNDER THE SAME RULES AS COUNCIL OR, OR STAFF.
I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT THAT WOULD BE A, A PATHWAY.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN AS MEMBER OF ANY OFFICIAL COMMITTEE, EVEN IN ADVISORY CAPACITY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T SUBJECT TO TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.
AND IF WE DO HAVE AN NDA IN PLACE WITH A PROSPECT, THEY MIGHT EVEN CLAIM WE'VE BREACHED IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUE WHERE, UH, SOME MEMBERS HAVE COME UP VERY CLOSE TO USHERING IN A GATEWAY AROUND THE ANTI LOBBYING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE WHEN THERE'S ALREADY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
UM, AND IT'S ALL WELL-INTENTIONED, BUT IT'S CONVERSATIONS WE CANNOT HAVE.
UM, SO WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REIGN THAT IN AND GIVE THEM THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT DO WE WANT YOU TO DO? WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE? HOW OFTEN DO YOU MEET? THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONVERSATION AS WELL.
SO, UM, DO Y'ALL MIND IF WE JUST GO DOWN THE LINE AND JUST GET IDEAS SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE? AND SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, WELL, LET ME ASK, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT ARE, ARE WE GONNA POSTPONE OUR APPOINTMENTS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THAT ACTION.
BUT I HAVE A STATEMENT BEFORE WE DO THOSE.
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SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING, UM, ASSUMING WE, UH, FOLLOW OUR, OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING AND MAKE APPOINTMENTS, UH, WE HA WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE.ARE WE ASKING RANDALL TO WRITE THE ORDINANCE AND MAYBE BRING IT BACK TO US TO, TO VOTE ON? OR DO YOU WANT US TO PUT GIVE INPUT WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE? AND DO YOU HAVE THE BANDWIDTH RIGHT NOW TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE? I THINK WE COULD JUST, WE CAN JUST SAY STAFF AND THEN THAT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE NDA.
SO I HEAR RICK AND, AND BECKY TALKING ABOUT THE NDA, BUT SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE BEEN SAYING, WELL, I, I THINK I SHOULD KNOW WHAT'S COMING TO LEANDER.
BUT AS IT RELATES TO OPEN MEETINGS, THAT COULD BE A VIOLATION.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ALL THESE FOLKS UP HERE, IF EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM SIGNS AN NDA, IF IT'S, YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT IT IN AN OPEN MEETING IF IT'S GONNA HURT OUR ECONOMIC PROSPECTS.
SO I JUST WANT THAT ON THE RECORD.
SO I, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO ASK STAFF TO KNOWING, CUZ I THINK WE'VE ALL SORT OF SAID A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS AND WE ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED TO NARROW THE SCOPE AND SO THAT, UM, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS THE BUMPERS TO WORK WITHIN AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO ACCOMPLISH AND TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO US.
BECAUSE I THINK I, I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING I THINK IS THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE FIXED, BUT WE'D ALSO BE LOOKING TO STAFF, SINCE STAFF RUNS THE COMMITTEES, I THINK IT SHOULD COME FROM THEM AS TO WHAT THEY THINK THOSE PARAMETERS SHOULD BE BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION UP HERE.
WELL, AND TWO, WE, IF I RECALL, AND YOU'VE GOT THE ORDINANCE THERE.
DID, DID WE HAVE THE, DO WE HAVE IT SPELLED OUT AS TO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR? I KNOW AT ONE TIME, YES.
WE WEREN'T, WE WANTED BUSINESS OWNERS AND LAND MM-HMM.
SO WHY WOULD THOSE APPLICANTS IF THE, IF THE, IF THE IDEA WAS I WANT TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE I WANT TO GO RECRUIT BUSINESSES, WHY WOULD ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO GO RECRUIT PEOPLE TO COME COMPETE AGAINST THEM? RIGHT.
LIKE, I DON'T, I THINK THAT, WELL, IT WOULD WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE COMPETING BUSINESSES.
IT WOULD BE, OH, IT WOULD BE BUSINESSES TO SUPPORT.
JUST IF, IF YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS AND YOU OWN A, A RESTAURANT WOULD GO AND SUPPORT, GO A BIG, YOU KNOW, FUND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.
WITH A LOT OF JOBS,
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PREFERENCE WILL BE GIVEN TO INDIVIDUALS WITH PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN THE FOLLOWING SECTORS.
EDUCATION, REAL ESTATE, INDUSTRIAL TECHNOLOGY, NONPROFIT, SMALL BUSINESS RETAIL, BANKING AND UTILITIES.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
THERE'S A REALTOR ON THERE AND THERE WAS A BRICK AND MORTAR ON THERE.
WELL, WE HAD HOTEL, WE HAD RESTAURANTS, WE HAD, WE HAD A, IT, IT STARTED OUT ON THE RIGHT PATH AND IT JUST MM-HMM.
SO, UH, SO I THINK IT'S COMES BACK TO, DO WE WANNA START OVER WITH THAT OR JUST SCRATCH THAT COMPLETELY? SO I THINK THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERATION REWRITTEN.
UM, I, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE PREFERENCE GIVEN TO BRICK AND MORTAR MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING ULTIMATELY TO ATTRACT.
RIGHT? WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT WORK FROM HOME.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY HUGE EMPLOYERS, YOU KNOW, WITH CAMPUSES HERE, WE CAN'T GRAB SOMEBODY FROM APPLE THAT WANTS TO TALK TO US ABOUT HOW WE ATTRACT MORE APPLE.
UM, LET'S GO WITH WHAT WE KNOW WITH BRICK AND MORTAR AND SAY, OKAY, WHY DO YOU CHOOSE TO BUILD HERE? OR IF YOU HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT.
AND YOU MEAN BRICK AND MORTAR THEN WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS PROPER? NOT, I WOULD SAY EVEN IF IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, WE HAVE THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM PEOPLE WHO OPEN A BUSINESS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WHY DID YOU CHOOSE CEDAR PARK INSTEAD OF LEANDER? WHAT'S DIFFERENT THERE? I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, LET'S SAY IF IT'S SOMEONE THAT'S A RESIDENT THAT WORKS FOR ONE OF THAT'S A VP WITH ONE OF THE BIG TECH COMPANIES DOWNTOWN AND THEY'RE A VP FOR OPERATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT THEM ON, ON THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE A LOT THAT THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, HATE TO GIVE AWAY COMPETITOR, UH, SECRETS THAT, BUT TRUTH IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S X, Y, AND Z TYPE COMPANIES WE THINK ARE LOOKING TO COME TO THIS REGION AND THEY'RE EVEN COMPETITORS TO MAYBE WHAT THEY DO, BUT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT IN LEANDER.
I WOULD SAY IF THEY'RE CURRENT THOUGH, DON'T YOU THINK BECAUSE THE CLIMATE NOW IS SO DIFFERENT, POST C WE, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THINGS WERE, UH, 30 YEARS AGO OR 20 YEARS AGO OUT THERE AND YES, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
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OFFICE BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN TODAY, AND IT'S PRACTICALLY VACANT AND IT WAS SO FULL PRE COVID D THAT UM, THEY HAD TO RENT OUT PARKING FROM OTHER NEARBY BUSINESSES.UM, AND NOW IT'S, IT'S A GHOST TOWN.
SO I THINK THE POST COVID ENVIRONMENT, IT, IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT.
SO DO YOU WANT US TO JUST SEND OUR IDEAS TO YOU AND WORKSHOP IT LATER? WE CAN DO THAT, YEAH.
AND, AND I MEAN, THINK OF, THINK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
I MEAN, ENTERTAINMENT, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT LISTEN.
SO I'LL JUST HAVE ONE QUICK THING.
WE JUST SEND OUR STUFF RATHER THAN GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT I THINK THE MAIN FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON THE NARROWING OF THE SCOPE OF THE, OF WHAT THE BOARD IS GOING, WHAT THEIR ACTIONS ARE GONNA BE, WHAT THEIR FOCUS IS, AND LESS ABOUT WHO'S GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO VOLUNTEER TO BE HERE TOO.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THAT WILL HELP TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
AND I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER WE WANTED TO BE CONSIDERED OR THAT ARE ALREADY SERVING ON THAT BOARD, THAT THEY MAY NOT BE INTERESTED ANYMORE IF THEY KNOW THAT THE ROLE IS GONNA BE CHANGED.
UM, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY HAVEN'T KNOWN WHAT THE ROLE IS.
I THINK THE NARRATION OF THE FOCUS IS THE NUMBER ONE I REMEMBER THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PAST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THERE WAS CON UH, AND WE HAD DIFFERENT LIAISONS EVEN AT THAT TIME TOO, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT A VERY FOCUSED LIKE, GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO, GIVE THEM EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HELP YOU.
AND I THINK THAT OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON WHAT DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT NEED AND HOW CAN A GROUP LIKE THAT BE, UM, LIKE YOU SAID SAID FORCE MULTIPLIER, HOW CAN THEY BE CONSTRUCTIVE TO HELP US AS A CITY? AND LET'S FOCUS ON THAT.
I THINK WHAT'S SORT OF HAPPENED IS IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE ORG CHART HAS FLIPPED WHERE THE COMMITTEES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING TO ELEVATE THE STAFF.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT IN REVERSE WHERE THEY WANT THE STAFF TO ELEVATE THEM.
AND I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THE PASSION, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH FOR THAT.
UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IN THE FEW MINUTES WE HAVE REMAINING, DID ANYBODY WANNA TOUCH ON ANYTHING FROM ANY OTHER COMMITTEES? DID DID Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, PARKS AND CULTURAL AND, AND ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE OTHERS JUST IN TERMS OF GLOBALLY APPLIES TO ALL OF IT? I, I THINK, I MEAN, WELL I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO NARROW THE SCOPE OF ALL OF THE COMMITTEES BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL BE MORE, UM, BE ABLE TO SERVE THE CITY BETTER IF THEY HAVE A BETTER FOCUS WITH THAT NARROW, WITH THE NARROWER SCOPE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF COME BACK WITH ALL OF THE CITIES AND WITH THEIR SUGGESTED, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM THE CITIES OR COMMITTEES, SORRY, FROM THE STAFF, HAVE THE STAFF COME BACK WITH IDEAS OF WHAT THEY THINK THE NARROWER FOCUS SHOULD BE AND HOW IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN.
BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GUIDING THOSE AND THEY'RE THE ONES IN CHARGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE LIAISONS FROM THE STAFF LEVEL.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, FROM LIKE FROM RANDALL, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE AND HOW CAN THAT COMMITTEE, CUZ ULTIMATELY THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE ASSISTING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
AND TO HAVE THEM, UM, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT WE CAN VET AND OF COURSE, APPROVE OR NOT, BUT HOW THESE GROUPS CAN HELP THEM, BECAUSE IN THE END THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO, IF IT WOULD HELP, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A, A MORE CLEAR, UM, POLICY STATEMENT FOR EACH ONE ON THE FRONT END WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN WITH THAT, EVEN MAYBE MORE SIMPLISTICALLY DEFINE ROLES FOR BOTH STAFF AND FOR THE COMMITTEES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO SAY.
AND THEN TAKE THOSE AND THEN DEVELOP, HAVE OUR PART I WAS GONNA SAY SOP, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR ALL OF THEM THAT ARE CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE COMMITTEES.
AND I THINK WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS FOR EVENTS TOO.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S COME UP IN THE LAST YEAR OF, OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STEPPING ON EACH OTHER'S TOES BOTH WAYS BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT BEEN CLEARLY DELINEATED.
WHAT IS VOLUNTEER'S ROLE, WHAT IS STAFF'S ROLE? UM, AND, AND WHAT DOES PLANNING THE EVENT LOOK LIKE? UM, AND I THINK JUST HAVING THOSE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES WILL HELP EVERYBODY JUST HARMONIOUSLY GET THROUGH IT ALL.
DID YOU? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS LAST SUMMER WENT THROUGH AND GAVE COUNSEL, UM, BEHAVIOR AND MM-HMM.
BUT HAVING THAT FIRST STAFF, THE STAFF LIAISON WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR ALSO TO THOSE BOARDS AND GROUPS WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT FROM STAFF AND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EXPECTING.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR.
THEY GOT IT FROM COUNCIL AND THEY GOT IT WHAT THEIR BEHAVIOR SHOULD BE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THAT
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THIRD COMPONENT THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.SO DO YOU WANNA DO A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THIS? WE COULD, WE COULD, THAT HAS BOTH, BOTH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND STAFF AND, AND PDA.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
SO THAT WAY THERE'S KIND OF, UH, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT UNDERSTANDABLE.
WE'RE GETTING, IF THE WHOLE WORLD WAS THAT WAY WOULD BE BETTER OFF.
WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ON THOSE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD WANT TO BE ON THAT? ANYBODY ELSE? THAT WOULD BE FOUR.
WHO, WHO SAID THAT I DIDN'T HEAR? SO US TWO AND YOU TWO.
SO DO WE NEED TO DO A VOTE ON THAT LATER? WE, Y'ALL CAN DO IT THEN WE'LL BE POSTING THOSE.
NO, JUST DO THREE, JUST YOU'LL JUST DO IT.
SO IT'LL BE ME, NICOLE, AND ESME.
JUST ONE KIND OF FINAL COMMENT.
I KNOW THE COMMITTEE MAY COVER THIS, BUT LET'S SAY STAFF LIAISON IS UNABLE TO MAKE THE MEETING, BUT THEY'RE THE ONE TAKING NOTES.
SO WHAT, IS THERE A ROLE THAT THE MEETINGS CANCELED OR WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE? I THINK USUALLY IT'S ABOUT SOMEBODY, RIGHT? WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE NOT TO, NOT TO SET THEIR AGENDA WHEN THEY'RE TALKING, JUST JOKING.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A, IF THERE IS AN ADJUNCT, WE TRY TO HAVE, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR TYPICALLY WOULD TAKE THAT ROLE IF IT'S THE DIRECTOR IS THE, IS THE LIAISON.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF WRITE THAT IN THERE TOO.
NOW IF THERE ISN'T, IF, IF WE HAVE, LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR.
AND THEN ALSO IF Y'ALL, WE CAN PROBABLY TRY TO WORK THROUGH IN OUR, AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FREQUENCY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY FINAL THOUGHTS? ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6:49 PM PLEASE BE IN YOUR SEATS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE MEETING.
[5. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
GOOD EVENING.TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 20TH, 2023, AND THE TIME IS 7:02 PM THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEE ANDER CITY COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TIM NICOLE THOMPSON.
WE'LL BE PROVIDING OUR INVOCATION FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION.
PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE IF YOU BOW YOUR HEAD AND CLOSE YOUR EYES.
THANK YOU LORD, FOR BLESSING US THIS DAY TO MAKE IT TO, TO THIS MEETING SAFELY.
HAVE DECIDED TO SPEND THEIR TIME HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL, FOR EVERY FIRST RESPONDER, FOR EVERY RESIDENT, FOR EVERY STAFF MEMBER, FOR EVERY VOLUNTEER THAT WORKS AND HELPS OUR CITY GROW AND BE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.
JUST COME PRAYING THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO BLESS US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT FOR OUR CITY.
GIVE US DIRECTION, DEFINITELY FATHER, AND JUST BLESS US TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR CITY.
HELP US TO TREAT EACH OTHER WITH KINDNESS AND WITH RESPECT.
HELP US TO ALWAYS HAVE OUR EYE TOWARDS YOU AND THE THINGS YOU WOULD HAVE US TO DO AND THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE CALLED US TO DO.
HELP US TO ALWAYS ACT WITH INTEGRITY AND HONESTY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSING TOWARDS US, TOWARDS OUR CITY.
BLESS THOSE THAT ARE OUT IN THIS BAD WEATHER RIGHT NOW.
CONTINUE TO PROTECT US FROM ANY HURT, HARM AND DANGER.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS, I PRAY AND ASK ALL THESE THINGS, AMEN.
AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IS STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY IS JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE, IF THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
[6. Roll Call.]
RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER SIX, CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WE PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCILMAN MEMBER KATHERINE TAGG PARKER.HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER SME MKI LONGORIA.
HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD.
PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS ICK.
THE COUNCIL'S ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, IT IS A TIME FOR YOU TO ADDRESS COUNSEL, BUT IT IS NOT A TIME THAT WE CAN DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH UNDER TEXAS STATE LAW.
I DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THIS AGENDA.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT,
[8. Leander History]
WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG THEN TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, LEANDER HISTORY WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.OH WELL, THE THUNDER'S GOTTEN ME A LITTLE OFF THERE FOR JUST A MOMENT.
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SEVERAL OF YOU MADE IT, A LOT OF YOU DIDN'T, BUT WE, UH, THIS WAS OUR SECOND YEAR TO THE, THE THIRD YEAR FOR THE EVENT AND THE SECOND YEAR FOR THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ASSIST WITH IT.AND, UM, LAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT 200 PEOPLE COME.
SO, UM, IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND UH, LAST YEAR WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WOULD WE GET MORE PEOPLE, NOW WE'RE GETTING MORE PEOPLE AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CROWD CONTROL.
SO
OH, SO THE, OR THE FIRST PICTURE IS JUST THE PICTURE OF THE FARM, UH, OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THIS PICTURE HERE IS, UM, THUNDER, UH, THE FRONT PORCH.
AND WE HAD VOLUNTEERS THAT THEY WERE TEACHING, SPINNING AND, UH, UH, FABRIC MAKING.
AND THEN OVER ON THE RIGHT, THE LEANDER LIBRARY HAS A SEED LIBRARY.
AND IN THOSE, THOSE CONTAINERS, THERE ARE, UH, SEED PACKETS THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND, AND TAKE.
THE GOAL IS TO, FOR THE CITIZENS TO TAKE THE SEEDS AND THEN WHEN THEY HARVEST FROM WHATEVER SEEDS THEY TAKE TO BRING THEM BACK, UM, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DO, DO BRING IN THE SEEDS AND THEN THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, UM, THEY, UH, BUY SEED PACKETS AND BRING THE SEED PACKETS IN.
AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SEVERAL SEED COMPANIES TO DONATE SEEDS AND, UM, THOSE ARE ALL THERE AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LIBRARY HANDED OUT QUITE A FEW SEED PACKETS, INCLUDING A LOT OF WILDFLOWER PACKETS.
UM, HERE WE ARE AT THE TOP LEFT IS THE ENTRANCE WHERE WE HAD THE KIDDOS AND YOU CAN SEE THE STICKERS.
AND WE HANDED OUT ALL OF OUR STICKERS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
AND THEN OVER ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION, CHRIS TWINGING.
SHE WAS TEACHING SEWING AND SHE HAD A ANTIQUE SEWING MACHINE THERE AND WAS SHOWING THEM HOW TO SEW.
AND WHAT SHE'S SEWING, RIGHT THERE IS A QUILT, HAND QUILTING.
UH, WE ALSO HAD A WASHING STATION AND THEN A PETTING ZOO.
SO THE, UM, OLDER KIDS, THEY WERE COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY WASH YOUR CLOTHES OUTSIDE THAT
AND, UH, THAT'S NOT LIE SOAP, UH, BUT IN TRUE LIE SOAP, UH, IT WOULD ACTUALLY EAT, UH, BECAUSE LIE IS VERY CAUSTIC AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BURN YOUR HANDS AND TAKE YOUR SKIN OFF.
SO WHEN YOU DID LAUNDRY, UH, IN, IN BACK IN THE DAY, IT WAS, UH, VERY DIFFICULT AND VERY PAINFUL, UH, BUT VERY NECESSARY.
UH, THEN WE HAD OUR LITTLE PETTING ZOO, WHICH A LOT OF THE YOUNGER KIDS REALLY, REALLY LIKED.
UH, OVERALL ON TOP LEFT WE HAD BRANDING STATION AND, UM, MY FRIEND EDWARD DID MOST OF THE BRANDING.
AND THEN MY BROTHER MASON, HE WAS EXPLAINING BRANDING AND SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE TOOK FOR GRANTED THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
UH, YOUNG PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE, A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT REALIZE THAT ANIMALS ARE BRANDED WITH A HOT IRON, THAT THAT WAS THE WAY THAT IT WAS DONE.
SO IT WAS A EYE-OPENING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.
AND, UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS A VERY POPULAR STATION.
AND, UH, EDWARD WAS GETTING REQUEST FOR CUSTOM BRANDING.
UH, OVER ON THE RIGHT WE HAD, UH, UM, TOY MAKING AND THE, THE KIDDOS WERE SEEING HOW THE, THE TOYS WERE MADE UP HERE ON THE LEFT, WE HAD GENTLEMEN THAT WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE BUFFALO SOLDIERS, UM, SEEMED TO BE A VERY POPULAR STATION.
AND THEN OVER ON THE RIGHT WE HAD A GENTLEMAN SHOWING HOW TO ROPE, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT STATIONS THERE WITH THAT OVER HERE.
WE HAVE A, UH, A YOUNG BOY THERE.
HE'S PLAYING WITH SOME OF THE HOMEMADE TOYS THAT THEY, THAT WERE TYPICAL FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
AND, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, GETTING THE BALL ONTO THAT PADDLE AND IN THOSE LITTLE HOLES IS NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS.
WE'VE ALL, ALL FALLEN PREY TO THAT ONE.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S MORE BOARD GAMES AND THINGS THERE AT THAT STATION, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I GOT.
AND MAY I SAY IT WAS A WONDERFUL HOUSE TOUR IT.
UM, WE ARE WORKING ON IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THE HOUSE TOUR.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S TOO MANY PEOPLE WANT IN AND TOO SHORT A TIME PERIOD.
SO WHAT THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS WORKING ON IS MAKING AN AUDIO TOUR SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT AND HAVE THE QR CODES AND POST IT, AND THEN ALSO HAVE SIGNAGE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN READ AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THERE AND OPEN IT UP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AT THEIR LEISURE AND TAKE WHATEVER TIME THEY WANT.
UM, UM, WE'RE, THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT YEAR.
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LEVEL.[9. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. Community Wildfire Protection Plan Clean Air Awareness Week (May 1-5)]
RIGHT.ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PROCLAMATIONS.
WE HAVE A COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? WHEREAS DURING 2011, OVER 31,000 FIRES BURNED NEARLY 4 MILLION ACRES ACROSS TEXAS AND MORE THAN 1900 HOMES WERE DESTROYED.
AND WHEREAS DURING THE SAME YEAR IN LEANDER, THREE SIGNIFICANT FIRES OCCURRED CAUSING NUMEROUS NEIGHBORHOODS TO EVACUATE, BURNING OVER 390 ACRES VEHICLES IN ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, AND DESTROYING OVER 26 HOMES.
AND WHEREAS TEXAS CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS, WANTS RURAL WITH AN ELEVATED RISK OF WILDFIRES, IT IS IN THESE AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT MEETS VEGETATION OR THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE, THE MOST, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROPERTY FROM WILDFIRE EXIST.
AND WHEREAS OUR BEST DEFENSE IS PREPAREDNESS AND PUBLIC EDUCATION CONCERNING THE DANGERS THAT WILDFIRE PRESENTS TO OUR RESIDENTS AND NATURAL RESOURCES OF LEANDER.
AND WHEREAS OUR COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN AUTHORIZED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OUTLINE IN TITLE ONE OF THE HEALTHY FOREST RESTORATION ACT OF 2003, A DOCUMENT MUTUALLY AGREED UPON BY LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES AND STAKEHOLDERS IDENTIFIES HOW A COMMUNITY WILL REDUCE ITS RISK FROM WILDFIRE.
AND WHEREAS A C WPP DEVELOPED IN COOPERATION WITH THE TEXAS A AND M FOREST SERVICE ADDRESSES STRUCTURAL IGNITABILITY AND SURVIVABILITY, PRIORITIZING HAZARDOUS FUEL REDUCTION EFFORTS ON PUBLIC AND PRIVATE LANDS, AND ALLOWS A COMMUNITY TO INFLUENCE HOW HAZARDOUS FUELS ARE REDUCED IN THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE ENVIRONMENTS.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, CHRISTINE DEO, MAYOR OF CITY OF LEANDER, RECOGNIZED AS A CITY THE IMPORTANCE OF REGULARLY REVIEWING AND UPDATING OUR COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN, CWPP, TO ENSURE WE TAKE THE MOST EFFECTIVE MEASURES TO REDUCE WILDFIRE RISKS AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.
WE WILL WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH OUR PARTNERS IN BALANCING THE RISK MITIGATION WITH THE BEAUTY OF OUR CITY, AND ARE COMMITTED TO ENHANCING OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO RAISE, RAISE AWARENESS OF WILDFIRE RISK AND THE IMPORTANCE OF INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY LEVEL PREPAREDNESS AND WITNESS THEREOF.
I ADHERED TO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE THE SILL OF THE CITY OF LEANDER TO BE AFFIXED ON APRIL 20TH, 2023.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
I'M BILLY WORCESTER, HOUSE AND FIRE CHIEF.
UM, IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT THIS PROCLAMATION OVER WILDFIRE AND DROUGHT WOULD'VE BROUGHT THIS TYPE OF RAINSTORM, AND UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DO THIS ALL SUMMER LONG.
SO, UH, SO THIS, UH, PROCLAMATION, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO RECOGNIZE THIS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
ONE IS IT BRINGS RECOGNITION TO THE HAZARDS THAT EXIST OF THE URBAN WILDLAND INTERFACE WHERE DEVELOPED IN UNDEVELOPED AREAS OF TOWN COME TOGETHER.
UH, AS YOU HEARD IN THE PROCLAMATION, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A SIGNIFICANT EVENT YEARS AGO THAT, UH, DEVASTATED LOT OF THE TOWN AND, UH, CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE.
AND WE'VE, UH, MADE IT A MISSION OF OURS TO TRY TO PREVENT OR MITIGATE THOSE HAZARDS SINCE THEN.
SO PART OF THAT IS THE COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN, WHICH THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THIS, IS IT IS A ACT THAT, UH, HELPS US TO INITIATE OUR RE-PLAN OR THE, UH, REDRAFT OF IT AND, UH, RENEW THAT PLAN.
AND SO WITH THIS PROCLAMATION, WE'RE ABLE TO SOLICIT ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE TEXAS A AND M FOREST SERVICE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN OUT ALREADY TO HELP, UH, TRAIN OUR PERSONNEL AND HOW TO GO OUT AND DO THE ASSESSMENTS AND THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO UPDATE THE PLAN.
SO APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORTING SUPPORTIVENESS.
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THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.AND NOW FOR CLEAN AIR AWARENESS WEEK, MAY 1ST THROUGH FIFTH, THE CITY OF LEANDER PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS AIR QUALITY CAN THREATEN OUR ENVIRONMENT, ECONOMY, AND THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS OF LEANER.
AND WHEREAS IN 2022, THE AUSTIN ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN METROPOLITANS STATISTICAL AREA EXPERIENCED ITS WORST OZONE SEASON IN OVER A DECADE AND MORE THAN 30 DAYS WHEN OZONE LEVELS WERE UNHEALTHY FOR SENSITIVE GROUPS AND TWO DAYS UNHEALTHY FOR ALL.
AND WHEREAS AIR POLLUTION LEVELS IN CENTRAL TEXAS WERE CONSIDERED MODERATE OR WORSE ON 47% OF DAYS IN 2022, ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL AIR QUALITY INDEX.
WHEREAS CHILDREN, OLDER ADULTS, PEOPLE WITH LUNG DISEASE AND PEOPLE WITH HEART DISEASE, WHICH MAKES UP ABOUT HALF OF THE RESIDENTS IN CENTRAL TEXAS, ARE PARTICULARLY AFFECTED BY POOR AIR QUALITY.
AND WHEREAS GROUND OZONE LEVELS AND THE MSA REMAIN CLOSE TO EXCEEDING THE NATIONAL AMBIENT AIR QUALITY STANDARDS AND REVISIONS TO THE ANNUAL FINE PARTICULATE MATTER AND DOUBLE A Q S CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED BY THE U US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY COULD REPLACE THE MSA AT GREATER RISK FOR NON-ATTAINMENT DESIGNATION.
AND WHEREAS LEANER SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS OF THE CENTRAL TEXAS CLEAN AIR COALITION AND THE US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY TO PROMOTE AIR QUALITY, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED.
I MARRIED CHRISTINE DEL CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE WEEK OF MAY 1ST THROUGH MAY 5TH, 2023 AS AIR QUALITY AWARENESS WEEK IN LEANDER, AND ENCOURAGES OUR RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT AIR QUALITY, INCLUDING VISITING CAP COGS AIR CENTRAL TEXAS WEBSITE@AIRCENTRALTEXAS.ORG AND PROMOTE AIR QUALITY AND AIR QUALITY AWARENESS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY IN WITNESS THEREOF.
I HAVE HERE ON TO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE A SEAL OF THE CITY OF LEANDER TO BE AFFIXED ON APRIL 20TH, 2023.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO RECEIVE THAT ONE.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM 15 HAS BEEN PULLED AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
COUNSEL, YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT AIT CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 10 THROUGH 14 AND 16 THROUGH 20.
THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION.
AND A SECOND IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[15. Approval of a waiver extension of Article 8.04, Noise, Section 8.04.001(a) (11) in the hours of construction work to Cadence McShane Construction to provide for construction activities through to August 31, 2023, beginning at 3:00 a.m. for the Blockhouse Creek Farms project site located at 14951 Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard; and the contractor will post notifications for nearby tenants a minimum of forty-eight (48) hours in advance of the activities.]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM 15, APPROVAL OF A WAIVER EXTENSION OF ARTICLE 8.04, NOISE SECTION 8.04001 A 11 IN THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION WORK TO CADENCE SHANE CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THROUGH TO AUGUST 31ST, 2023, BEGINNING AT 3:00 AM FOR THE BLOCKHOUSE CREEK FARMS PROJECT SITE LOCATED AT 1 49 51 RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD.
AND THE CONTRACTOR WILL POST NOTIFICATIONS FOR NEARBY TENANTS A MINIMUM OF 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTIVITIES.
UH, WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.
MS. COOPER, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HI, MY NAME'S AMY COOPER AND I LIVE AT 25 45 BOWEN STREET.
UH, MY HUSBAND RYAN COMMUNICATED THIS INFORMATION VIA EMAIL THIS MORNING AND ALSO SPOKE TO YOU AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE THE 3:00 AM CONCRETE PORES WERE ON THE AGENDA IN DECEMBER.
UH, OUR HAR OUR HOUSE IS ONE OF THE 15 HOUSES ON BOWEN STREET IN THE HAZELWOOD SUBDIVISION THAT IMMEDIATELY BACKS UP TO THE BLACK HOUSE CREEK FARM APARTMENT COMPLEX CONSTRUCTION.
AT THE LAST MEETING, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WAS CERTAIN THESE PORES WOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF MARCH.
DELAYS DUE TO SUPPLY CHAIN AND OTHER FACTORS HAPPENED.
BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A GROSS MISCALCULATION WHEN THE PORES DON'T APPEAR TO BE EVEN HALFWAY DONE.
THIS WAS PART OF THE EXCHANGE, UM, BETWEEN MAYOR CHRISTINE AND THE CONTRACTOR AT THE LAST EXTENSION APPROVAL IN DECEMBER, 2022.
I'M PARA PARAPHRASING SOME, BUT YOU CAN REVIEW THE EXCHANGE ON THE VIDEO.
AT THE SAME EFFECT, MAYOR, IN ALL OF MY YEARS ON COUNCIL, I CAN ONLY REMEMBER ONE OTHER INSTANCE WHERE A NOISE VARIANCE WAS REQUESTED THREE TIMES FOR THE SAME PROJECT, AND IT WAS YOUR SAME COMPANY.
I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO COME BACK TO US CONTRACTOR.
AND THAT IS WHY I APPLIED FOR THE MARCH 31ST DATE.
IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE AND IT'S GONE ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO YOU'RE POSITIVE YOU CAN GET THIS DONE BY THE, BY THE MARCH DATE?
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YES, MA'AM.YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE, WE HAVE HAD TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THESE PORES FOR ROUGHLY SIX MONTHS NOW.
UM, HOW CAN WE BE SURE THAT THEY WILL BE DONE IN FOUR MONTHS? THE ORIGINAL PLAN FROM THE APARTMENTS TO BE COMPLETED WAS EARLY 2024.
IS THIS STILL ON TRACK? ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SEVEN PLOTS LEFT, BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE EACH FLOOR LEVEL.
THERE MAY BE SIX PLOTS COMPLETE, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL MORE PORES DUE.
UM, EXCUSE ME, DUE TO EACH LEVEL OF THE THREE TO FOUR STORY BUILDING NEEDING MULTIPLE PORES ON SOME CASES.
THERE WERE ALSO A FEW TIMES WHERE A POUR WAS COMMUNICATED BUT NOT COMPLETED.
UH, MY HUSBAND RYAN WILL TALK ABOUT HOW THESE DELAYS ARE AFFECTING US IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RYAN COOPER.
MR. COOPER, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HELLO, I'M RYAN COOPER AT 25 45 BOWEN STREET.
UM, SO IT'S ALREADY UNCOMFORTABLE TO HAVE THESE APARTMENTS GOING IN BEHIND US.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
UM, SINCE THE PLANNING OF THE PROJECT WAS FIRST COMMUNICATED IN 2021, DELAYS LIKE THIS WOULDN'T BE AS BIG OF A DEAL TO RESIDENTS IF THEY WERE ON PROJECTS, UM, IF THEY WERE ON PROJECTS THAT WEREN'T HAPPENING.
AS CLOSE AS CITY CODE ALLOWS TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE AT 3:00 AM THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY ALSO SEEMS TO BE RECENTLY PUSHING THE LIMITS AS TO WHEN THEY START AROUND 6:45 AM IS BECOMING A REGULAR START TIME, WHEREAS THE CITY ORDINANCE STATES THAT THEY CAN START NEW EARLIER THAN 7:00 AM NOBODY LIKES TO GET WOKEN UP AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE NOT EXPECTING.
WE PLAN WHEN WE WAKE UP AROUND THIS CONSTRUCTION, THE START TIME NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT AT 7:00 AM FINALLY, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND VEHICLES ARE ALSO STARTING TO PARK AT THE DEAD END ON REPUBLIC TRAILS.
AGAIN, IT WAS MADE CLEAR PREVIOUSLY THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE OF ANY KIND OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BOTH OF THESE CHANGES COINCIDE WITH A RECENT CHANGE IN SUPERINTENDENT, WHICH SEEMS TO HAPPEN EVERY FEW MONTHS WITH THIS PROJECT.
TO SUMMARIZE WHAT BOTH AMY AND I HAVE DISCUSSED, MAYOR CHRISTINE MADE IT CLEAR THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THE CONTRACTOR MAKING ANOTHER EXTENSION REQUEST AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THIS IS TAKING IS UNCOMFORTABLE TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE.
YET HERE WE ARE WITH THE PORES, NOT EVEN HALF DONE WITH MORE PORES THAN INITIALLY COMMUNICATED.
THIS EXTENSION WOULD ALLOW FOR ALMOST ONE FULL YEAR OF ALLOWING 3:00 AM CONCRETE PORES TO TOP IT OFF, THE INCIDENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR A WHILE ARE STARTING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW THE CONTRACTOR'S PRACTICES AND PROGRESS TO ENSURE, ENSURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS BEING COMPLETED AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE OUT OF RESPECT TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE, ACTIVE MONITORING OF REMAINING PORES AND FREQUENCY, WHETHER THEY ARE COMPLETED AS EXPECTED AND POTENTIALLY OTHER ITEMS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT I HAVE BEEN VERBALLY TOLD THAT SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HAVE SUBMITTED POSITIONS AGAINST THIS ITEM BEING APPROVED.
UNFORTUNATELY, JUST WE JUST FOUND ABOUT THIS YES, FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND THOSE RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED AFTER THE WEDNESDAY AT 12:00 PM DEADLINE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
JUST FOR A VERY QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
YOU SAID THERE'S PARKING ON REPUBLIC TRAILS BY CONTRACTORS.
HAVE YOU REPORTED THAT TO THE CITY? UM, THIS, THIS MORNING, UH, AMY STARTED TALKING TO TONY ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THIS ONE.
UM, MR. GREENSVILLE, I SAW YOU APPROACHING EARLIER.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, I'VE BEEN DOING CONSTRUCTION FOR 35 YEARS AND, UM, I DO HAVE THE DATA FOR, FOR RAIN OVER THE PAST FIVE MONTHS AND EVERY MONTH WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE RAIN DAYS TO INCLUDE 10 IN NOVEMBER AND INCLUDE ON THAT THEY'VE COMPLETED 13 PADS, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT 6,000 CUBIC YARDS.
THAT'S 600 TRUCKS WITH NO INCIDENTS.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT IS GONE TO PLACE, THAT AMOUNT OF CONCRETE WITH THAT NUMBER OF TRUCKS AND HAD NO INCIDENTS, NO ACCIDENTS, YOU KNOW? YES.
UM, THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT THAT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
UM, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, I THINK IS DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER, UNLIKE RIGHT NOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THE THIRD TIME WE'VE HAD COUNCIL, IT'S RAINED.
UM, AND, AND I'M PRAYING FOR THE RAIN BECAUSE ON THE OTHER END I NEED WATER.
UM, BUT THE, THE, THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, IS, IS IS UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND CONSTRUCTION.
EVERY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT HAS ITS PROBLEMS AND THEY HAVE THIS, SOME DESIGN ISSUES AND YOU RUN INTO UNFORESEEN
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CONDITIONS.AND THAT'S WHY WE WRITE CONTRACTS THE WAY WE DO FOR RAIN DAYS FOR ONSITE UN UNKNOWN CONDITIONS.
UM, AND SO, SO THAT THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ROOM.
UM, BUT THE, THE CONTRACTOR AT HIS BEST WAS LIKE, YES, I WILL GET IT DONE.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PLAN FOR, YOU KNOW, MOTHER NATURE OR EVEN HIGHER AUTHORITY TO, YOU KNOW, PLAN YOUR SCHEDULE.
SO, SO I DO WANNA REMIND, UH, FOLKS OF THAT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE THAN HALF DONE.
UM, BUT I WILL REMIND YOU ALL THAT'S ONLY THE HORIZONTAL, WHAT I, WHAT I CALL GETTING OUT OF THE DIRT.
YOU STILL HAVE ALL THE VERTICAL WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE ONGOING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME CUZ IT'S A LARGE PROJECT.
SO, UM, MUCH LIKE WHERE I LIVE NOW WITH THE APARTMENTS GOING IN NEXT, NEXT DOOR, RIGHT.
LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO ME, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR POWER SAWS AND SO FORTH FOR, FOR THAT PORTION WOULD BE ONLY AFTER SEVEN THOUGH, IS THAT RIGHT? GRANTED, BUT IT'S, IT'S CONSTANT AND IT'S ON SATURDAY AND SOME SUNDAYS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY GET A RAIN DAY, THEY GOTTA MAKE UP DAYS AND, AND THAT'S HOW CONSTRUCTION WORKS.
AND, UM, BUT THEY'RE WORKING AROUND MANY, UM, DIFFICULTIES TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE SUPPLIES, GETTING THERE ON TIME WHEN YOU NEED 70 TRUCKS.
YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT DURING THE DAY.
YOU HAVE TRAFFIC AND OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER.
UM, CONSTRUCTION IS DIFFICULT AND IT'S, AND IT'S NOT LIKED BY A, A LOT OF NEIGHBORS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY BEHIND IT AND NOISE AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO, BUT AGAIN, I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY COMPLETED 13 PADS SO FAR, AND I DON'T MORE, I PROBABLY MORE, BUT ABOUT 6,000 CUBIC YARDS.
SIX, 600 TRUCKS AND NO INCIDENTS.
SO THAT SAYS A LOT, UM, FOR THAT.
AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GOING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW THE PARKING WILL WILL WORK ON, BUT CONSTRUCTION'S ALSO THE OTHER THING, YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT IN DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES AND SO SOMETIMES THE WORD JUST DOESN'T GET OUT THE WAY IT SHOULD.
AND SO, SO TO THAT END, UM, IS THAT, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE THAT THERE'S A NEW FOREMAN OR CONSTRUCTION SUPERVISOR? I'M GONNA, THE, THE APPLICANT, WELL, IN THIS CASE THE SUPERINTENDENT IS HERE AND HE CAN SPEAK TOWARDS HIS, HIS STAFFING AND, AND WHAT THAT IS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT OUT KIND OF A GENERAL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS GOING AND, AND UM, AND, AND YOU HAVE RECEIVED SOME OF THOSE EMAILS ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS YEAH.
WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR CONCERNS AND WE, BUT YET WE STILL HAVE TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED AND WHEN WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF, OF IMPACT TO NEIGHBORS AS BEST WE CAN.
COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. GRIMS BEFORE WE TALK TO THE SUPERINTENDENT? I WOULD JUST SAY ONE, ONE THING.
UM, LIKE IF, IF THIS, IF THIS WASN'T APP, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE EXTENSION, UM, DOES THAT, DOES THAT CAUSE EVEN, UH, A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? GUESS IT COULD BECAUSE THEY GOTTA GET THE TRUCKS IN DURING THE DAY AND THEY HAVE TO FIGHT TRAFFIC.
AND REMEMBER I JUST TOLD YOU THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INCIDENTS WHERE SOME OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY DO IT WHEN THERE'S NO TRAFFIC OUT THERE.
AND SO THAT LESSENS THE, THE I THE IDEAL OF A, OF A CONCRETE TRUCK RUNNING INTO SOMEBODY OR ET CETERA, ET CETERA, OR VICE VERSA.
UM, WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT FIGHT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE HITTING THE SUMMER.
BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SCHOOL AND OTHER THINGS THAT ALSO PLAY IN EFFECT ON THEM TRYING TO GET TO THEIR JOB SITES AND THAT'S ANY PROJECT.
UM, BUT THAT ALSO GOES WITH, AGAIN, UM, CONCRETE COMPANIES LIKE TO GET THE BIG POROUS OR PLACEMENTS OUT FIRST THING IN THE, IN THE MORNING AS THIS PRETTY STANDARD.
SO IS WHAT THEY'VE SHARED WITH YOU IS THE MAJORITY OF THE REASON WHY THEY CONTINUE TO COME BACK FOR EXTENSIONS IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF RAIN.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF PROBABLY SUPPLY ISSUES, UM, RAIN, UM, HOW, HOW MUCH THEY TRUCKS THEY CAN GET, UM, OUT OF THE CONSTRUCTION'S ACTUALLY MOVING ALONG.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET A SCHEDULE AND UM, SOME DAYS YOU MAKE YOUR SCHEDULE AND THEN SOME DAYS YOU DON'T.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S CONSTRUCTION.
I CAN SHOW AND I'M GONNA BLAME MYSELF, BUT RAIDER WAY IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF FIVE YEARS AND WE STILL HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THAT ROAD.
AND I TAKE THAT ALMOST PERSONALLY, AND I'VE BEEN HERE TOO AND IT SHOULD HAPPENED.
UM, YOU HAVE TO GET EASEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN GETTING PERMITS AND EASEMENTS AND ACTUAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND SUPPLIES AND LINING IT ALL UP.
SO IF THE EXTENSION WASN'T APPROVED, IT COULD DELAY IT FURTHER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE DELAYED FURTHER ANYWAY, WHETHER THE EXTENSION IS APPROVED.
WELL, I'M GONNA NOT, I'M GONNA LET THE SUPERINTENDENT, HE'S KIND OF INDICATED THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MIGHT, THEY MIGHT NEED SOME DESIGN CHANGES IN RETENTION LAWS AND OF COURSE WE WANT IT TO BE BUILT CORRECTLY.
UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT, UH, SUBSTANDARD MATERIALS, SO MAKING APPROPRIATE DESIGN CHANGES IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WARRANTED AND, AND AND NEEDED.
AND SO WE DON'T CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO NOT DO THAT.
UM, THAT WAS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS FOR THE DELAY.
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THE HEAT ON THE FIRST ONE, WE PROBABLY DIDN'T EXPLAIN WELL ENOUGH THE, THE IDEAL OF ASKING FOR A PERMIT IN THIS CASE A NOISE, A NOISE PERMIT LONGER THAN, THAN WHAT THEY INITIALLY THOUGHT.AND THEY ONLY PUT IT IN FOR LIKE TWO WEEKS.
AND SO WE PROBABLY, AND THAT WE DID EXPLAIN IT AND THAT'S WHY THE SECOND TIME THEY ACTUALLY WENT MUCH LONGER, UM, EXPLAINED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY TO GET YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO INCLUDE ANY, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL DELAYS, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, THERE WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE MISCOMMUNICATION ON THE, THE BEHIND THE NOISE ORDINANCE PROCESS ITSELF.
SO, SO WELL, WHICH IS FAIR, EXCEPT WE DID COVER THAT WITH THE APPLICANT LAST TIME IN DEPTH AND DETAIL.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS GOING TO BE ENOUGH TIME.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS SOME GRACE.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN BLESSEDLY A RAINY SINCE IT'S BEEN BLESSED AND FOR THE PAST FIVE MONTHS WE'VE HAD A ALMOST A GOOD STEADY RANGE WISCONSIN.
AND, AND, AND IT GOES, AND I ALSO BROUGHT THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE'RE USING THIS MONTH ALONE, IF YOU COMPARE IT TO LAST YEAR, WE'RE DROPPING THREE TO 4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WATER THAT WE'RE NOT USING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS STEADY RAIN AND PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT WATERING THEIR LAWNS BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD THIS NICE STEADY RAIN OFF THROUGH THE SPRING HERE.
AND, UH, AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT.
I MEAN, LAND LOOKS GREEN, BUT IT DOESN'T HELP CONSTRUCTION.
SO, SO ONE THING THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE DID NOT HAVE IN DECEMBER WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO APPROVE THIS, IS WE HAVE THAT MAGIC HOUR OF DAYLIGHT THAT WE DIDN'T, DIDN'T HAVE.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE A, A LOT OF THE, THE HOURS, BUT HOW WOULD, UM, INSTEAD OF THREE O'CLOCK, FOUR O'CLOCK, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK TO THE, OKAY, AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE DAYLIGHT AS IT IS THE TRAFFIC AND OTHER THINGS THAT MM-HMM.
I, I JUST, AND WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND IF THE, IF YOU COULD ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IF WE DID IT AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND SEE, WELL, I'LL LET, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT, BIT OF, CUZ I UNDERSTAND AND, AND, AND WE GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.
THE, THE, THE INTERACTION BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THE PUBLIC IS AS IS CHALLENGING AT TIMES AND ESPECIALLY ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND AND SO FORTH THAT, UM, IT IS, IT JUST IS AND, AND IT'S MISERABLE LIVING NEXT TO CONS.
AND YOU'RE, JOHN DONE A VERY, AND, AND THAT'S WHY TECHO DOES A LOT OF THEIR WORK AT NIGHT AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND FOR THE, THE VERY SAME REASONS.
AND THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH THE BRIGHT LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, ON SAID HIGHWAY, THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY GETS DONE, ESPECIALLY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, UM, EVERYBODY LOVES IT.
YOU'VE GIVEN A GOOD, GOOD, UM, PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE AND UNDERSTAND.
WELL THIS IS, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN DOING CONSTRUCTION FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, AND IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFICULT BALANCE.
SO, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S COMING UP HERE, WE GET IT.
UM, AND SOME THINGS WE CAN DO BETTER.
UM, AND THEN SOME THINGS LIKE TONIGHT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER.
ARE YOU THE SUPERINTENDENT? YOU LOOK FAMILIAR.
WERE YOU HERE LAST TIME? YES, MA'AM.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, YES, THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, WE DID SAY MARCH 31ST.
WE'VE HAD 10 RAIN DAYS IN NOVEMBER, BUT FOR EACH RAIN DAY, IF I GET OVER AN INCH OF RAIN ON SITE, THAT CAUSES THE SITE TO BE EXTREMELY WET, SLOPPY, AND MUDDY THE NEXT DAY.
SO FOR THE 10, SO THE HEAVY RAINS ARE IMPACTING FOR THE 10 DAYS IN NOVEMBER, I LOST 21 DAYS OF, OF WHAT WE CALL CRITICAL PATH CONSTRUCTION.
CRITICAL PATH CONSTRUCTION IS OUR PAVING, OUR GRADING AND OUR CONCRETE.
SO NOT ONLY AM I LOSING THE 10 DAYS, I'M LOSING 21 IN NOVEMBER.
SO I'M NOT SAYING FOR EVERY RAIN DAY WE LOSE ANOTHER DAY.
DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF RAIN.
IF I'M GETTING THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH TO AN INCH OF RAIN, I'M LOSING THE NEXT DAY BECAUSE I CAN'T ALLOW THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT 30, 40, 50,000 POUNDS TO GO ON SITE AND DAMAGE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE OR IT'S JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO PUSH THE PROJECT OUT.
SO WE APPROVED YOU IN DECEMBER.
AND NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU MADE IT TWO-THIRDS OF THE WAY THROUGH AND YOU'RE ONLY ASKING THROUGH AUGUST 31ST.
I, I'M ASKING FROM ACTUALLY TOMORROW MORNING TILL AUGUST 31ST.
NOT TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO POST 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE.
YES, HE, HE IS, HE IS, UM, A CADENCE IN CADENCE MCHAM EMPLOYEE AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK TOMORROW CAUSE IT'S POURING.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S DIFFERENT KIND OF POUR.
UM, TO SPEAK TO THE CHANGE OF COMMAND OR CHANGE OF FOREMANS,
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I WENT BACK TO HOUSTON FAMILY EMERGENCIES THAT I HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.I AM STILL OVER THE PROJECT REMOTELY.
SO ANYTHING, ANY PART OF CONTACT STILL COMES THROUGH ME, GETS TO RANDY.
ARE YOU COMING BACK TO ONSITE? I WILL BE COMING BACK TO ONSITE.
I JUST HAVE SOME, SOME YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
I HAVE SOME THINGS I NEED TO HANDLE AT HOME.
UM, SO THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GO BACK AND HELP OUT ON PROJECT THERE FOR, FOR THE INTERIM.
UM, SO THE POINT OF CONTACT, THE FACE OF MC SHANE WILL STILL BE, RANDY AND I RANDY'S BEEN WITH KANSAS MC SHANE FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW, ALMOST TWO.
SO, BUT AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING THROUGH AUGUST 31ST, I'M NOT ANTICIPATING IT TAKING TO AUGUST 31ST, BUT I'VE HAD THE DESIGN ISSUES ON A RETAINING WALL ON THE THREE BUILDING PADS THAT ARE RIGHT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR BUILDING PADS THAT ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCE ON BOWEN STREET.
I I I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME DESIGN ISSUES ON A RETAINING WALL THAT SIT IN FRONT OF THOSE.
THAT'S WHERE THE DELAY ON THOSE BUILDINGS CAME FROM.
IT TOOK SEVEN AND A HALF WEEKS.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE STILL DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S RESOLVED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVELY THIS IS THE PLAN.
SO I HAVE FOUR MAIN BUILDING PADS AND THREE GARAGES LEFT TO POUR.
WHEN WE START ERECTING OUR COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL FRAMING, THERE IS NO MORE 3:00 AM CONCRETE PORES ON THE SECOND OR THIRD FLOORS.
THOSE, THOSE ARE, ARE DONE AND OVER WITH OUR, UM, PORES THAT WE HAD THAT WE'RE SECOND THIRD FLOOR, WERE OUR TWO MAIN BIG BUILDINGS.
THOSE ARE POURED, THE SECOND FLOORS RECORDED AND DONE THOSE PODIUMS. SO THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS FOUR BUILDINGS AND THREE GARAGES LEFT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRULY ANTICIPATING TO TAKE 'EM TO AUGUST 31ST, BUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF RAIN, THE MONDAYS, WE HAD A WHOLE WEEK OF FREEZING IN IN FEBRUARY WHERE I COULDN'T WORK.
I COULDN'T ACTUALLY COME BACK TO WORK UNTIL THE WEDNESDAY AFTER THAT.
BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND STUFF THAT OFF FROM THE ICE MELTING.
I'VE LIVED NEXT TO CONSTRUCTION AND I'VE COMPLAINED.
I, I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT.
WE WILL NOT ASK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION.
WE WILL MAKE SURE MY VICE PRESIDENT THAT WAS HERE WITH ME LAST TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SEEN HIM SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
THE FINISHED DATE THAT Y'ALL WERE ASKING ABOUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE INITIAL DATE OF EARLY OR SPRING OF 24 CAME IN.
OUR FINISHED DATE IS SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2024.
THAT IS OUR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE.
THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED TO TURN EVERYTHING OVER TO THE OWNERS AND WE WALK AWAY FROM IT.
BUT MAY EXCEPT FOR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF PUNCH WORK, BUT THERE'LL BE NO MAJOR EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING WE'RE ANTICIPATING RIGHT AROUND MARCH OR MAY OF 24, ALL THE BIG EQUIPMENT'S GONE.
IT'S JUST PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC OR, YOU KNOW, UH, PERSONAL VEHICLES AND STUFF.
THERE WAS AN INCIDENT, I GOT NOTIFIED ON SATURDAY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHICH NEIGHBOR IT WAS.
I DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, PROGRAM.
THE NEIGHBOR DID TEXT ME DIRECTLY, SAID, HEY, LOOK, YOU'VE GOT TWO CARS PARKED HERE.
I STARTED MAKING PHONE CALLS WITHIN 10 MINUTES THOSE CARS WERE GONE.
UM, TO SPEAK TO THE, PRIOR TO 7:00 AM WE DO PULL PERSONAL VEHICLES ON THE SITE PRIOR TO 7:00 AM UM, I DID HAVE AN INCIDENT WHERE MY PAVING COMPANY FIRED THEIR, THEIR, UM, LOADER UP AT ABOUT SIX 50.
I WENT OUT AND MADE HIM SHUT IT OFF.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I DO AS A SUPERINTENDENT.
BUT I CAN FIX WHAT GOES WRONG.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
WE HAVE AS OF THIS WEEK MICROPHONE, SORRY.
WE HAVE AS OF THIS WEEK IN PAVING ON THE PROJECT NOW, WHICH IS A HUGE MILESTONE.
IT ENABLES US TO GET AROUND THE PROJECT WITH EQUIPMENT AFTER IT RAINS.
AND THE MUD THAT HE HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
ALSO, THE 3M CRI, WE'VE ONLY GOT THOSE HUGE SLABS LEFT TO POUR.
THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A BIG AMOUNT OF TIME.
THE REST OF 'EM COULD BE DONE ALL FROM SEVEN TO SEVEN.
BUT WE ASKED FOR THE TIME JUST, I'M SORRY.
WE DID ASK TO THE TI FOR THE, FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
JUST, I HATE TO SAY IT THIS WAY IN CASE IT, IT'S KIND OF A, IN IN CASE TYPE DEAL.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT'S PROBABLY TAKEN ANOTHER 60 DAYS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS FEEL LIKE THEY CAN COUNT ON YOU AND THAT WHEN YOU SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING THIS NOISE, INTERRUPTING YOUR SLEEP, THAT THAT IS DEFINITIVE.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COMING IN OVER AND OVER.
WE, WE WON'T, WE WON'T GO PAST AUGUST 31ST.
COUNSEL, WAS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, I JUST, JUST TO FURTHER, YOU'RE OFFSITE.
AND THEY PEOPLE HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION SO THEY'VE GOTTEN AHOLD OF YOU.
SO ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THINGS ARE STILL GETTING YOU, YOU'RE SAYING WHEN I'M THERE, I'M TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS, I'M DOING THESE THINGS.
BUT YOU'RE NOT PHYSICALLY THERE.
HE'S, YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS.
I, I HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT FAITH IN HIM.
UM, I KNOW, I KNOW TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS VERY WELL, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
AND LIKE I SAID, I GET, I, I GET NOT ONE CONSTRUCTION.
I, I GET THE NOISE AND WE ARE, I'VE HAD THE, UM, CONCRETE TRUCKS PUT WHITE NOISE BACKUP ALARMS. SO WHERE THERE'S NOT THE LOUD BEAT,
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APPRECIATE THAT.UM, WHEN MY PUMP GOES TO HONK HIS HORN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF WE NOTE THAT'S A, A BUTTON ON THE END OF THE PUMP HOSE THAT NOTIFIES THE PUMP STOP.
BECAUSE WE'RE, WE HAVE SOMETHING HERE THAT WE GOTTA STOP PUMPING THE CONCRETE FOR.
WE TRY TO KEEP THAT TO A MINIMUM.
I DON'T ALLOW THE PUMP ON SITE UNTIL THREE O'CLOCK.
I MEAN, I NORMALLY MAKE 'EM WAIT UNTIL ABOUT 3 0 1, 3 0 2 CUZ EVERYBODY'S CLOCKS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT PULLING ON AT 2 58.
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? SO ANY, ANY COMMENT ON STARTING AT FOUR O'CLOCK? COULD YOU MANAGE IT AT FOUR O'CLOCK THAT HOUR? ACTUALLY, WITH IT GETTING HOTTER MM-HMM.
IT COULD MAKE MY CONCRETE DRY FASTER AND NOT BE ABLE TO, WE TRY TO BE POURED OUT BY 7, 7 38 O'CLOCK.
WE TRY TO BE POURED OUT WHERE THEY CAN START FINISHING LIGHT'S STILL COOL.
BECAUSE THAT CONCRETE WILL, IT, THE CONCRETE GETS HOTTER AS IT DRIES.
AND THEN WE WE'RE GONNA WIND UP, SO IT'S NOT THE DAYLIGHT HOURS THAT HELP YOU, IT'S THE TEMPERATURE.
AND THEN FEEL CONCRETE TO THE SIDE SAFE.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD IN DECEMBER, WHICH WEREN'T COMPLETELY SPELLED OUT IN THIS PACKET.
SO THE CONTRACTOR WILL POST NOTIFICATIONS FOR NEARBY TENANTS A MINIMUM OF 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTIVITIES, POST SIGNS IN NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCES, NOTIFY THE HOA, AND EACH OF THE 15 HOUSES THAT BORDERS IT RECEIVES A 48 HOUR NOTICE.
AND IF YOU RECEIVE A CODE VIOLATION, COUNSEL WILL BE NOTIFIED AND WE CAN CONSIDER REVOKING THE WAIVER.
AND SPEAKING ON THE SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE HAD SIGNS STOLEN FIVE TIMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE BEING PICKED UP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOTES.
SOME I DON'T THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
BUT I'M HAVING TO KEEP REPRINTING THESE SIGNS AND, AND RE REDOING THE SIGNS.
UM, I WOULD SAY WHEN YOU PUT 'EM OUT, TAKE A PHOTO OF IT SO IT'S TIMESTAMPED ON YOUR PHONE.
UM, NOW FOR, I I UNDERSTAND WE SAID TOMORROW MORNING THOUGH, I DO BELIEVE Y'ALL PUT A 48 HOUR NOTICE, SIR, IN ANTICIPATION THAT IF WE GOT APPROVED OR NOT.
IF NOT, WE JUST WERE THAT WAS GONNA BE AN NULL VOID.
BUT WOULD THE RAIN, I DOUBT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A 3:00 AM FOUR TOMORROW MORNING.
SO, AND I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT TO DIE.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, APOE? OH, WAS THAT IN FAVOR? YES.
[21. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0014 to adopt the Sullivan Tract Concept Plan on nine (9) parcels of land approximately 308.288 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R022741, R022921, R022922, R356046, R473837, R022923, R473838, R473839, and R022920; generally located west of the intersection of N. Bagdad Road and Oak Creek Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0014 as described above. ]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM NUMBER 21, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE CP 20 2014 TO ADOPT THE SULLIVAN TRACK CONCEPT PLAN ON NINE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 308.288 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
UM, THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE SULLIVAN TRACT.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS, UH, REZONED IN AUGUST OF 2022, UM, TO SINGLE FAMILY RULE.
THEY CHANGED THE SITE COMPONENT FROM A ONE TO A TWO, AND THEY ADDED LOCAL OFFICE ALONG BAGHDAD, BAGHDAD ROAD.
UM, THIS CONCEPT PLAN IS THE, THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
THIS IS THE ONLY STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL REVIEW.
AND, UM, SINCE THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UH, THE COUNCIL'S REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN.
IF THEY HAD A VARIANCE REQUEST, THEN YOU COULD ADD DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONDITIONS.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA.
UM, THE PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE 146 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THEY'RE ALL A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE AND WILL BE SERVED BY, UM, SEPTIC AND CITY WATER.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST DURING THE APRIL 13TH MEETING, UM, WITH UNANIMOUS VOTES.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT'S ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS WHO SUBMITTED CARDS AND READ ANY POSITIONS RECEIVED AND ASK IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK AFTERWARDS.
GOOD EVENING, MS. PERDUE, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HI, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL PARDUE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF WHIT RANCH AT 33 12 WHIT CREEK TRAIL.
UM, JUST TO KNOW I WAS NOT VER LIKE I I DID NOT GET MAILED THE, UM, THE NOTICE THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING.
JU I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S REMEDIED, BUT, UM, LUCKILY MY NEIGHBORHOOD POSTED IT, SO I WAS AWARE OF THE COMMERCIAL.
AND I'M HERE TO REALLY, UM, SPEAK ABOUT MY CONCERNS REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S BACKING UP TO OUR PROPERTY.
UM, I DID SUBMIT A PICTURE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE DISPLAYED OR NOT, BUT IT WAS THE ORIGINAL.
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PROPOSAL FROM FOUR STAR WHEN THEY CAME OUT TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT.AND THEY HAD THAT YELLOW ZONING, WHICH IS NOW LOCAL OFFICE AS A PARK.
WHEN WE WERE HERE AT, UM, THE LAST, UM, ZONING MEETING, YOU HAD ASKED SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHY THAT OR SOMEBODY THAT WAS ON THE BOARD, WHY THAT, UM, WAS REMOVED AS A PARK.
HE SAID IT WOULDN'T BE A CONFORMING USE, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE ORDINANCES ON THE, ON THE LEANDER CITY PAGE PARK IS UNDER ONE OF THOSE, UM, UNDER SECTION 14.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, WHY THAT CAN'T BE, UM, PUT AS A PARK.
UM, MY CONCERNS HERE FOR THE COMMERCIAL, UM, MOST FOR PRIVACY, UH, SAFETY, WE ARE DARK SKY COMMUNITY.
THESE OPERATIONS CAN OPERATE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY UNTIL, YOU KNOW, 11:00 PM UM, IT'S JUST CONCERNING TO US.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SETBACKS ARE PUT IN PLACE IF THIS COMMERCIAL CAN'T BE MOVED.
AND REALLY WHY CAN'T THE COMMERCIAL BE MOVED TO THE, THE NORTH END OF THEIR TRACK ON THE, THE OTHER SIDE, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN PROPERLY DEVELOP AROUND THAT.
WHEREAS WE ALREADY HAVE OUR EXISTING HOMES AND OUR EXISTING, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF THEY COULD MOVE THAT THEY COULD, UM, PLAN FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME BETTER PRIVACY AND PROTECTION FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD.
UH, IN CLOSING, I ASK THAT YOU GUYS JUST DO WHAT YOU CAN TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I OWN THE PROPERTY IN WHIT RANCH AT 2216 LIVE OAK ROAD.
UH, I HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA PASS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LIVE OAK WILL EVENTUALLY CUT THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE LIVE, THE NEW LAKELINE BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
UM, THIS COULD POSE A BIG SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF BOTH SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, PEOPLE WILL USE IT AS A CUT THROUGH.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE TURNING, UH, INTO OUR SUBDIVISION FROM BAGHDAD HEADED NORTH, THERE'S NO TURN LANE THERE.
AND THE LINE OF SIGHT IS REALLY BAD.
SO IT'S POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF ACCIDENTS TO HAPPEN THERE AS WELL.
UM, WE HAD BEEN TOLD, UH, AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING LAST WEEK, THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR MAYBE THE DEVELOPER TO INSTALL CRASH GATES AT THE END OF LIVE OAK, UM, TO PREVENT THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUT TO LAKELINE.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, WE ALSO WOULD ASK THAT NO CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AT ALL BE ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S GONNA DAMAGE OUR STREETS AND WOULD POSE SAFETY CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DEVELOPERS NEED TO REQUIRE THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND NOT OURS.
UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT IF LIVE OAK IS MADE A THROUGH THAT THE DEVELOPER PUT IN MULTIPLE FOUR-WAY STOPS AND MAKE THE, UH, SPEED LIMIT NO MORE THAN 30 MILES PER HOUR.
ANYTHING THEY CAN DO TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC, UH, SPEED AND MAKE IT INCONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO CUT THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
UH, MY PROPERTY IS AT THE END OF LIVE OAK, WHICH HAS A CIRCLE TURNAROUND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE BECAUSE WE'VE ALL PUT IN OUR LANDSCAPING WITH THAT THERE.
AND IF IT'S CHANGED, THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN EXPENSE.
UM, MY LOT WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE WOULD ASK THAT THE DEVELOPER INSTALL, UH, A ROCK WALL, A NICE ROCK WALL AND NOT WOOD FENCING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS DOESN'T LOOK GREAT.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NICE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, WHEN THEY PLOT THE LOTS, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THEY CAN PUT IN A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER BETWEEN THE WIT RANCH LOTS AND THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE NEW SUBDIVISION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I DID PAY A PREMIUM TO HAVE THIS ONE ACRE LOT WITH PRIVACY, AND I REALLY DON'T WANT NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO EASILY SEE INTO OUR PROPERTIES.
UH, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO STIPULATE THAT THE PROPERTIES THAT SIT NEXT TO WHICH RANCH, UH, ALL BE ONE STORY HOME.
AND THEN FINALLY, I DO ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS.
UM, IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR VALUES.
UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF LIGHT THAT COMES THROUGH THERE, AND SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO POTENTIALLY MOVE THAT PART UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
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THANK YOU.PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 2208 LOOKOUT OLD DRIVE, BUT, UM, MY FAMILY, WE ARE BUILDING OUR DREAM HOME IN WHIT RANCH.
UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT MY MAIN CONCERN OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE, UM, BROUGHT THROUGH AT RANCH, UM, SPECIFI, SPECIFICALLY ON LIVE OAK AND LIT CREEK TRAIL.
UM, THE ROADS IN WHIT RANCH DO NOT HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BOUGHT OUR LAND HERE TO ANTICIPATING OUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES WITH THEIR FRIENDS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IF THE SULLIVAN RESIDENTS ARE USING LIVE OAK AND WOOD CREEK TRAILS, I ANTICIPATE THEY WILL, THAT WOULD BE LIKE 200% INCREASE IN THROUGH TRAFFIC FOR OUR, FOR OUR, UM, FOR OUR PROPERTIES.
UH, SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A DANGER AND A HAZARD FOR OUR CHILDREN.
UM, I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.
MY PARENTS, UM, USED TO LIVE IN CRYSTAL FALLS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM US, AND THEY ENDED UP SELLING THEIR HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE AVOIDING USING OSAGE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO CRYSTAL FALLS.
AND SO, UM, PEOPLE WERE CUTTING THROUGH TRIBAL WAY AND THEY DECIDED THAT IT WAS NO LONGER SAFE FOR MY, FOR MY SON TO BE PLAYING IN THEIR FRONT YARD USING THEIR DRIVEWAY, AND THEY UP AND SOLD AND MOVED TO A CUL-DE-SAC INSTEAD.
SO THAT'S A, UM, I THINK A VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL, IF WE CAN HAVE, UM, LIVE OAK AND SPECIFICALLY WOODWICK CREEK TRAIL BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
WE HAVE THE FIRE, THE FIRE ROAD THAT, UM, COMES INTO THE NORTH OF NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT WOULD PREVENT ALL THE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM GOING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHILE STILL ALLOWING FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET THROUGH IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
UM, IF THAT'S NOT AN OPTION, THEN I WOULD ASK AGAIN THAT, UM, STOP SIGNS ARE IMPLEMENTED.
ANYTHING TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC, UM, FROM THROUGH TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THE CITY KNEW THAT LIVE OAK WAS GOING TO BE A, UM, A MAJOR EAST TO WEST ROUTE, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT WHIT RANCH SHOULD HAVE EVER BEEN APPROVED.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IT SHOULDN'T HAD THE HOUSES DIRECTLY ON IT.
UM, OR ALL THAT TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE BE RUNNING.
MY SECOND CONCERN IS ALSO THE COMMERCIAL, UM, PROPERTY UP THERE.
UM, THE NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION AND THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THE REPAIR CORRIDOR.
I DON'T THINK IT'S MARKED VERY WELL ON THE MAP, BUT THERE IS A REPORT REPAIRING CORRIDOR THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT SPOT AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A PARK INSTEAD OF COMMERCIAL USE, UM, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT NATURAL FEATURE IN OUR TOWN.
UM, IF THAT'S NOT AN OPTION THAT I WOULD ASK THAT THEY HAVE, UM, STRONG SETBACKS FROM THE REPAIR, UM, AND POTENTIAL STONE WALLS BORDERING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE, AS MUCH OF THE LIGHT AND SOUND POLLUTION FROM THE COMMERCIAL.
MS. CURRY, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M AT 2204 WHIT FALLS COVE LEANDER HERE.
UM, AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY STATED, UH, WE DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, WHAT IS NOW BECOMING LOCAL OFFICE AND THE, THE TOP CORNER THERE IN GREEN.
UM, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO FOCUS MY, THE FIRST THING THAT I ZONED IN ON WAS JUST WHAT THE ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF BUILDING COMMERCIAL SO CLOSE TO OUR RIPARIAN CORRIDOR WOULD BE IF, AS YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR, AND I HAVE A LITTLE BIT HERE TO JUST READ, UM, A REPAIRING CORRIDOR, RECHARGES OUR AQUIFERS, EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM WASTEWATER RUNOFF, ANYTHING, WHETHER IT BE OUR HOMES OR, UH, OBVIOUSLY COMMERCIAL WOULD BE MUCH MORE TRAFFIC AND HUMOR.
HUMAN INTERACTION WOULD ALL SERVE AS POLLUTANTS AND DEGRADE, UM, THAT WATER SOURCE THAT THAT'S THERE.
AND I'M SURE THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES DONE ON, YOU KNOW, DISTANCES THAT THINGS SHOULD BE PLACED.
UM, I KNOW THAT OUR HOMES ARE FAIRLY WELL RESTRICTED.
MU MUCH OF MY OWN LAWN SITS DIRECTLY ON THAT CORRIDOR AND WE CAN'T BUILD OR DO A LOT OF THINGS, UH, WITH OUR HOUSE.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TO BE NATURAL AS IT IS.
UM, SO I KIND OF WANTED TO READ FROM, UH, QUICKLY THE A STUDY THAT I FOUND BY THE NIH FROM 2020, UM, THAT OUTLINES WHAT A REPAIRING CORRIDOR REALLY IS, THE PURPOSE THAT IT SERVES AND THE EFFECTS OF URBANIZATION OF THOSE REPAIRING CORRIDORS.
UH, SO IT'S JUST STATES, AND I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY.
SCIENTISTS ALONG STUDIED REPAIRING CORRIDORS AS ECOSYSTEMS AND, UH, FORESTED AND VEGETATIVE TRANSITION ZONES, LINK AQUATIC AND TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENTS.
AND STUDIES SHOW THAT A HEALTHY REPAIRING STREAM PERFORMS A MULTITUDE OF VALUABLE SERVICES FOR ADJACENT WATERWAYS.
THEIR OVERALL INFLUENCE ON WATER QUALITY, BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY, ECOSYSTEM MAINTENANCE AND PROTECTION OF INTERMITTENT STREAMS, AND
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THE RESIDUAL POOLS THAT PROVIDE REFUGEES FOR MULTIPLE SPECIES DURING DRY PERIODS.UM, WHEN READING THROUGH THE EFFECTS OF URBANIZATION THEMSELVES.
TEXAS WAS ACTUALLY VERY SPECIFICALLY CITED AS BEING A STATE THAT, UM, UH, HAS, UH, A LOT OF CHALLENGES AROUND WATER PRESERVATION.
UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE SUFFER QUITE A FEW DROUGHTS.
I THINK IT'S BEEN MENTIONED HERE BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE, UH, PROPOSITIONS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY THE WATER LAW IN TEXAS HAS EVOLVED FROM, UM, CONFLICTS BETWEEN PRIVATE LANDOWNERS AND THE NEEDS OF TEXAS CITIZENS.
MUCH OF TEXAS, AND I'M PARAPHRASING HERE, MUCH OF, UH, TEXAS IS OWNED PRIVATELY WITH LESS THAN 2% OF IT BEING FEDERAL LANDS.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY, UH, THE GIST OF THE ARTICLE IS THAT, UM, IN, IN TEXAS WE HAVE A, WE HAVE VERY FEW RESTRICTIONS ON THINGS LIKE THIS.
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT IN MY ASK WOULD BE, UH, MUCH LIKE MY NEIGHBORS HAVE VOICED, UM, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY MOVE THAT COMMERCIAL ZONE FURTHER AWAY FROM THIS REPAIRING CORRIDOR.
UM, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE OTHER CONCERNS HERE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK JUST THE EC ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS ARE WORTH NOTE.
MR. WALTER, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, NATHAN, WALTER, UH, COUNTY, UH, 2 95 COUNTY ROAD 2 81.
UM, AND SO I'M HERE BECAUSE OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING BEHIND US.
WE ARE ONE OF THE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY, UM, TO THE NORTH OF THIS.
UM, AND SO OUR CONCERNS AS STATED BY OTHERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE, THE LIGHT, THE, THE EXTRA DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT PRIMARILY MY CONCERN, UM, WHICH HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED BY ANYBODY REALLY, I MEAN A LITTLE BIT BY THE PREVIOUS, BUT UM, IS THE WATER RUNOFF AND THE CREEKS OR THE DRY CREEKS THAT RUN THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, OUR PROPERTY, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE MAP, UM, WHERE WE ARE, WE'RE ACTUALLY AT THIS NORTH ARROW, WHICH I FIND IS AMUSING.
THEY WANT TO PUT A FUTURE ACCESS ROAD TO OUR PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE NEVER EVEN BEEN CONSULTED ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE.
BUT, UM, YOU HAVE, UH, ON THIS MAP ALL OF THE WATER RUNOFF AND THAT RUNS ALONG OUR WEST PROPERTY LINE.
IT CUTS ACROSS OUR PROPERTY LINE, UM, AND, UM, GOES FURTHER ON DOWN TO 2 81.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES ALREADY WITH THIS WHOLE, UM, SITUATION.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WITH DEVELOPMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, ROOFTOPS WHICH INCREASE RUNOFF SPEEDS WITH, UM, ASPHALT AND CONCRETE AND ALL OF THIS STUFF, UM, IS GONNA BE THE, UM, RAPID INCREASE IN, IN, UM, WATER RUNOFF, WHICH WILL LEAD TO FURTHER EROSION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON ON OUR PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ISSUES, AGAIN, WHICH HAS BEEN OMITTED FROM THIS MAP, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW, BUT I'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY ABOUT IT.
BUT THE CULVERT UNDER 2 81 JUST BY OUR PROPERTY ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, UM, IT MIGHT BE A FOOT UNDERWATER.
SO IF THERE IS ANY INCREASE IN RUNOFF OR CHANGE IN THIS WATER PATTERN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S GONNA AFFECT, YOU KNOW, REALLY EMERGENCY SERVICES ACCESS TO ALL OF 2 81, 2 82 AND EVERYBODY IN THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY BACK THERE.
SO AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.
UM, I'VE TALKED WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY ABOUT FIXING THAT CULVERT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
THEY'LL GET TO IT WHEN THEY THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO START CONSTRUCTION IN SEPTEMBER AS PROPOSED, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE THE FIRST ISSUES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO AND CLEAR ALL OF THIS, TURN IT TO DIRT, INSTALL ASPHALT AND CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OUR HOUSE IS GONNA BE FLOODED.
WE ARE GONNA HAVE EROSION ISSUES, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A STREET THAT NOBODY CAN ACCESS.
UM, NONE OF THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
SO I'D LIKE TO BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
MR. MICHAEL, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME'S KEITH, MICHELLE, SORRY, CORRECTED.
UH, AND I LIVE AT 32 0 1 WHIT PARK PATH.
UH, SO I'M THE VERY FIRST HOUSE IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN YOU COME INTO WHIT RANCH.
UH, I HAVE A FIVE YEAR OLD SON.
THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS HAVE A 10 AND 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS TO THAT HAVE, UH, FIVE OF 10 AND A 12 YEAR OLD.
SO IF WE OPEN UP LIVE OAK ROAD, WE WILL NATURALLY BE TAKING OUR KIDS AND PUTTING 'EM IN A PRETTY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
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SORRY, I'VE BEEN LOSING MY VOICE MOST OF THIS WEEK.UM, BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS THAT, UM, ALL THESE KIDS PLAY ON THEIR BIKES, PLAY ON ATVS, PLAY, YOU KNOW, SCOOTERS, UM, DRIVING AROUND.
WE WALK THE NEIGHBORHOODS CONSTANTLY AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER YOUNG FAMILY INSIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIKELY HAS KIDS.
AND SO THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IS GONNA CERTAINLY, UH, BRING SOME DANGER TO MY CHILD, MY FUTURE CHILDREN, AND OTHER KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO I DO ASK THAT THE LIVE RO ENTRANCE BE TURNED INTO SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY, UH, BOUNDARY, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD ONLY.
UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T, UH, SEND MY CHILD OUT TO GO PLAY IF THIS IS OPENED UP.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A SECOND ENTRANCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF US ALL WALK TO.
AND WE LOOP AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE SEE WILDLIFE AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, RIGHT? UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE ADD 140 ISH HOMES OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, UH, THAT'S A MASSIVE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY CONCERNING.
AND YOU COULD SEE THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT PROPOSED ENTRANCES.
WHY DO TWO NEED TO COME THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY? UH, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE CRAZY TO ME.
UH, BUT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AS MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY, UH, BROUGHT UP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WILL BRING A BIG CHANGE TO THE WILDLIFE.
THE, UM, PARTICULARLY HOW THE WATER MOVES.
UH, I HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY AND DEGREE IN MARINE BIOLOGY, SO I DO KNOW THAT, UH, WATER, WHEN WE DIVERT, IT DOES ERODE IN MUCH DIFFERENT WAYS, ESPECIALLY WITH REALLY DRY SOIL AND UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I DO ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE ADDING A COMMERCIAL SPACE, UM, CUZ IT JUST NATURALLY WILL CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW, HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT FLOWS.
UM, AND IF WE CAN'T, UH, IF WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO AT LEAST THE EMERGENCY ROADS, I DO NOT WANT CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES RUNNING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN MORE THAN WE ALREADY HAVE.
I HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING INTO MY YARD ALL THE TIME RUNNING OVER THE CORNERS OF MY YARD.
ONE OF OUR STOP SIGNS JUST RECENTLY GOT HIT BY CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS.
SO, UH, PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT DRIVING WHEN THEY'RE IN THOSE BIG TRUCKS.
UM, AND SO MY LITTLE FIVE YEAR OLD PROBABLY CAN'T GET SEEN.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
OH, BOYD HENRY AND I LIVE ON COUNTY ROAD.
WELL, I'VE GOT A PLACE OUT ON COUNTY ROAD, UH, 2 79 25 65 AND IT'S GOT A LEE ADDRESS, BUT, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE JURISDICTION I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO'S, UH, EJ, S T OR ANYTHING.
AND I'VE BEEN, UH, GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN LEANDER AND LIBERTY HILL ABOUT THE WATER OUT THERE.
THEY, UH, LIBERTY HILL DRAINING THE WATER ON MY PROPERTY AND FLOODED ME, UH, MY 10 ACRES AND I COULDN'T EVEN GET TO THE BACK PART.
AND THAT'S BEEN GOING, THEY DRAINED WATER OUT THERE FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE Y'ALL KNEW IT, BUT, UH, TALKED TO MR. NEW OR SOMETHING, UH, AND HE NEVER DID FOLLOW UP, BUT, UH, SO, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.
WELL, IT, THEY SAID IT WAS BAD WATER AND BOTH PEOPLE, LIBERTY HILL IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE ME BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE LIBERTY HILL SAYS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. NEWS'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND LIBERTY, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING.
BUT ANYWAYS, I'VE GONE TO OPEN RECORD AND HADN'T GOT ANY GOOD RESPONSE, BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH WATER.
THE PEOPLE IN HIGHLAND OAKS OUT THERE, UH, ARE RUNNING OUTTA WATER, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WON'T LET US TAP INTO THE WATER.
AND I, I'VE, I'VE HAD THAT PLACE FOR 35 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO'S OVER AT WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
CAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY, UH, FROM 2243 TO, TO, UH, LIBERTY HILL.
CAUSE I GOT THE BLUEPRINTS FROM ST.
AND BAAL THAT SPENT ABOUT A YEAR ON THE PLANS.
AND NOW THE, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO THROUGH 'EM AT DAME DOMAIN TO GET SOME MY PROPERTY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT THE PARK UP THERE AND THE PARK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN IN 2020 AND THEY GOT A FEDERAL GRANT.
AND, UH, WHEN I WENT TO OPEN RECORDS, UH, WILLIAM COUNTY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING.
I SENT A PAGE OF THE GRANT AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
SO I CALLED, UH, SAME TIME ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, I CALLED UH, UH, PARKS AND WILDLIFE, WHICH GAVE 'EM THE GRAND.
AND SO WHEN THEY HAD AN ARTICLE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A LAWSUIT AND EVERYTHING, WELL, UH, I CALLED HER AND SHE SAID, UH, WELL MR. HENRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS CAUSE THE PARK'S BEEN OPEN FOR TWO YEARS.
AND I SAID, WELL, MAYBE YOU OUGHT READ IN THE NEWSPAPER IMPACT NEWSPAPER OR SOMETHING, CUZ THEY'RE NOT OPEN.
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WONDERING, THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE IS HORRENDOUS.YOU KNOW, IT'S DANGEROUS TO GET OUTTA MY GATE.
AND, UH, WHEN THEY HAD THE ZONE MEETING LAST, LAST WEEK, I WENT TO, UH, LIBERTY HILL AND THE, THE TRAFFIC WAS BACKED UP FROM THE FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN DOWN TO THE, UH, SAN GABRIEL RIVER.
AND I JUST WONDERED WHAT THEIR, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A DEFINITE PLAN.
THEY'RE GONNA GO LEFT AND THEY AIN'T GONNA GO RIGHT.
AND THEY HAD AN ARTICLE THE OTHER DAY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TILL THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE WATER AND, YOU KNOW, UH, HOLLAND OAKS THAT GO HIGHLAND OAKS, THEY, THEY DIDN'T DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AND THEY, UH, WILLIAMS COUNTY SAID THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
WELL, IT'S 163 ACRES ABOUT LIKE THIS AND, UH, WELL SMALLER IN THE PARK.
THEY DIDN'T DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY ON 300 ACRES.
SO I JUST WONDER IF THEY'RE DOING AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY ON THIS STUFF.
BUT, UH, I'LL REQUEST ALLEG GET THE, SOMETHING ON THE ROAD AND THE WATER THAT THIS THING BE PUT ON HOLD.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
ALTHOUGH ON 2209 LY OAK ROAD, AS MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS ALREADY MENTIONED, ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS SAFETY.
I MEAN, ONCE SLY OAK ROAD AND WHIT CREEK TRAIL, THEY OPEN THAT UP INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE NOW HAVE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH.
AND THE CONCERN IS FOR KIDS AND EVEN FOR ADULTS, IF WE WANNA WALK THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, WE GOTTA BE WORRIED ABOUT CARS, HOW WE'RE GONNA SLOW THEM DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DRIVING SAFELY IN THE BEGINNING, EVEN WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT GETS STARTED.
WE'RE HOPING THAT NO CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES WOULD EVEN GO THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT CUZ I CAN SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE ROAD.
IF YOU LOOKED AT UNIVERSITY OVER IN ROUND ROCK WHEN ALL THOSE HEAVY TRUCKS WENT THROUGH THERE, THE ROAD ENDED UP BE BECOMING LIKE A, UM, LIKE A TIDAL WAVE GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO OUR CONCERN IS FOR SAFETY THERE.
AND I'M, AND I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE, CUZ WE DO HAVE KIDS ALL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO WALK THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE OTHER PART IS, IS THE, UM, THE, THE OFFICES THAT ARE BEING PUT UP THERE, I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MOVED UP FURTHER NORTH.
I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S MOVED UP TWO OR 300 FEET, THAT AT LEAST GIVES US SOME KIND OF BARRIER FOR PRIVACY AND FOR SECURITY.
I MEAN, ARE THEY GONNA STRIP, I MEAN THE CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY DON'T STRIP ANYTHING THERE THAT WHERE THERE'S WATER THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE TO GIVE US SOME OF THAT PRIVACY.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND SINCE WE ARE A DARK COMMUNITY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO PREVENT OURSELVES FROM, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE LIGHTS AND HOWEVER LONG THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE AND WHATEVER KIND OF, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE FOOD TRUCKS OR WHATEVER KIND OF BUSINESS IS IN THERE, HOW ARE WE GONNA PREVENT THEM FROM COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THANK YOU.
MS. ALMOND, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 2204 WHIT OAK COURT IN WHIT RANCH.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME THINGS I CAN SAY THAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVEN'T ALREADY SAID.
OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS LIVE OAK AND THE CONS AND THE TRAFFIC.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE REGULATED AND SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE, UM, LEANDER ESTATES, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE ROADS THE SAME TYPE THAT OUR LIVE OAK IS, BUT WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS.
THIS IS WHERE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR FAMILIES, THEY WALK, THEY WALK THIS STREETS.
THERE'S UM, WE HAVE BE, I MEAN WE LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER TWO OR 300 CARS TR TRAVELING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T WANNA BECOME A THOROUGHFARE.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE CUZ LIVE OAK IS THE ONLY ROAD IN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IF YOU OPEN UP BOTH ENDS AT WHAT CREEK TRAIL, THAT JUST BRINGS MORE CARS BACK IN.
IF YOU WERE TO THINK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND YOU WANTED TO COME TO LEANER, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA COME? YOU'RE NOT GONNA START AT THE TOP AND GO OVER, YOU'RE GONNA COME STRAIGHT DOWN TO LIVE OAK TO GET ONTO 2 79.
I'M KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT MAYBE OAK CREEK SINCE THAT IS GONNA BE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN WITH THEIR CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
MAYBE THAT CAN BE A THOROUGHFARE FROM 2 79 UP TO LAKELINE INSTEAD OF LIVE OAK.
UM, COMMERCIAL WE'VE ADDRESSED THE COMMERCIAL AND THE AT BUREN, UM, WHEN WE HAD OUR AREA WAS DEVELOPED, WE HAVE A PARKLAND, MOST OF IT, A GOOD PART OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN AND RIPARIAN.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD, WHICH IS BLOCKED AT BOTH ENDS.
SO WE CAN'T DRIVE UP TO OUR PARK.
THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET THERE IS BY WALKING.
SO YOU THINK OF YOUR FAMILY WHO MIGHT BE LIVING UP ON LIVE OAK AT THE TOP
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HAVING TO DRIVE OR THEY DRIVE DOWN TO BUT CREEK TO TRY AND ACCESS THAT PARK.CUZ WE HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO ACCESS THAT OPEN LAND, WHICH IS DESIGNATED PARKLAND, UM, THAT PUTS, YOU KNOW, CARS FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE LOAN, OTHER VEHICLES FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST KEEPING TRAFFIC OUT OF OUR SMALL COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW WHICH VEHICLES, WE KNOW WHO DRIVES WHAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMES IN OFF AT 2 79.
YOUR SIGHT PASSES ARE VERY LIMITED, ESPECIALLY TURNING LEFT IF YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS LIBERTY HILL COMING.
I WATCHED MY NEIGHBOR THE OTHER MORNING AS A CAR, A TRUCK WAS RIGHT ON HER TAIL AND SHE HAD SIGNALED WAY DOWN AND AS SHE WAS TURNING IN, THAT TRUCK WAS RIGHT ON HER TAIL AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO BE IN THE MORNINGS AND IN THE EVENINGS.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 2204 WHIT OAK COURT IN THE WHIT RANCH SUBDIVISION IN LEANDER.
UM, I CAN'T REALLY ADD TO ALL OF THE, THE, UH, CONCERNS AND THE ISSUES THAT, UH, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE RAISED, BUT I DO WANT MY VOICE TO BE HEARD.
THE BIGGEST CONCERN TO ME REALLY IS SAFETY IN THE SAFETY IS IN TWO AREAS.
UH, THE FIRST AREA IS LIVE OAK ROAD.
UM, IN OUR SUBDIVISION, WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS.
UM, I WANT A PLACE THAT I CAN SAFELY WALK MY GRANDCHILDREN, UH, SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UM, A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
AND WITH LIVE OAK BEING OPENED UP AS A FEEDER OVER TO LAKELINE, UH, THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME.
I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO WORK POSSIBLY WITH SULLIVAN TO, UH, DETERMINE WHETHER OAK CREEK COULD BE, UM, DESIGNED AS A FEEDER FROM 2 79 OVER TO LAKE CREEK.
INSTEAD, UH, IN THAT DESIGN, IT COULD HANDLE ALL OF THE, THE SAFETY CONCERNS AS TRAFFIC IS TRANSITIONING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ARE A DARK SKY COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESIGNATION FOR THE SULLIVAN TRACT IS, WHETHER IT WILL BE DARK SKY OR NOT, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AND THE IMPACT ON OUR DARK SKIES.
AND LASTLY, THE SAFETY ON 2 79 ITSELF.
UH, BOTH TURNING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS MY WIFE HAS INDICATED WITH OUR NEIGHBOR AND, AND WHAT HAPPENS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THE ADDITION OF THE COMMERCIAL.
UH, IN PRINCIPLE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE ADDITIONAL OF, OF THE COMMERCIAL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MITIGATION SO THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE'RE NOT IMPACTED BY, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION, BY NOISE POLLUTION, AND ESPECIALLY TO THE RIPARIAN, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T, UH, HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR WATERWAYS.
SO THE SAFETY CONCERNS ON 2 79, IT IS A TWO-LANE ROAD WITH, UH, WITH NO, UM, EMERGENCY LANES, NO TURN LANES, UM, TURNING INTO THAT COMMERCIAL.
THERE IS LIMITED SITE DISTANCE THERE, UH, BETWEEN OAK CREEK AND, AND WHERE THAT COMMERCIAL WOULD BE.
SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU HIS HEARING, OUR CONCERNS AND WOULD ASK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH SULLIVAN TO MITIGATE THOSE.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
A FEW PEOPLE SUBMITTED THEIR POSITIONS TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
MARK WETZEL IS AGAINST, SCOTT PARDUE IS AGAINST REBECCA MICHELLE IS AGAINST.
AND CRYSTAL ESCU WAS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK.
SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT SHE IS REGISTERED AS AGAINST.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CAN I GIVE A COUPLE MORE? NO, I'M SORRY.
WE CANNOT NO, YOU MAY COME UP.
UM, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD.
UM, MY NAME'S MARILYN HOVAN AND I'M AT 22 0 1 LIVE OAK ROAD, WHICH IS THE ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE POSSIBLY A THOROUGHFARE THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, YES, WE DO, UM, ENJOY OUR DARK SKIES AND WE DO ENJOY WALKING AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS LIMITED ACCESS IN AND OUT.
THERE'S JUST THAT ONE ROAD AND WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE.
AND IF WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL AREA NEAR OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT SURE, UM, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOP OF, OF, UH, BUSINESSES WILL BE THERE.
UM, SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO, UM, HAVE SOME PROTECTION FROM ANY
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THING THAT SELLS.UH, ANYTHING THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T HAVE.
SO I WENT THROUGH THIS WITH CRYSTAL FALLS AND WE ENDED UP GETTING A DAYCARE CENTER INSTEAD.
THEY WERE GONNA PUT A, LIKE A LIQUOR STORE AND A, A LOTTERY AND CONVENIENT STORE AND IT WAS NEAR A SCHOOL AND THEY CHANGED THAT.
AND, UM, WE ENDED UP WITH THE DAYCARE CENTER.
PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? OKAY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE CP 2201 14 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. GRIFFIN.
THERE, UH, IS A LOT OF CONCERN THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO BE TO THE RESIDENCE.
CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE THE SETBACKS? YEAH.
UM, SO WHEN WE HAVE AN OFFICE USER THAT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, THEY START WITH A 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THE DEVELOPER DOES HAVE THE OPTION IF THEY BUILD A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY BUILDING, THEY COULD REDUCE THAT SETBACK, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO PARKING SETBACKS AND THOSE ARE A MINIMUM OF 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
I THINK THIS ONE HAS SOME NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY THAT'S GOING TO FORCE THEM A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE AS WELL.
CAN YOU REVIEW WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS CAN GO INTO THAT ZONING OF LOCAL OFFICE? DEFINITELY, UM, IT'S STRICTLY OFFICE USES.
SO MEDICAL, UH, LAW OFFICE, DENTAL OFFICE USES LIKE THAT.
SO NOTHING LIKE, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE, NO CONVENIENCE STORE, NO RESTAURANTS, NO LIQUOR SALES.
IT ALSO HAS HOURS OF OPERATIONS, UH, SEVEN TO 10, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, SEVEN TO 11, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
NO, I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T HAVE OUTBURSTS.
MS. GRIFFIN, COULD YOU REPEAT THE FIRST STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE WHEN YOU CAME OUT ABOUT, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS? YES.
SO, UM, THIS IS A, A CONCEPT PLAN AND THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
THE ZONING'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, SO WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT MM-HMM.
SO THE ONLY ASK THAT WE REALLY HAVE IS TO ASK THE DEVELOPER TO COMMUNICATE AND WORK WITH AND THE, THE RESIDENTS TO WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE NO, WE, WE REALLY CAN'T.
IT'S NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT'S JUST STATED.
SO ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, RIGHT? WE DO.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, HE IS HERE, PLEASE.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN? YES.
UM, HOW DOES THE ZONING OF LOCAL OFFICE, UH, IMPACT DARK SKIES AT ALL? UM, SO IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL LIGHTING IS DIRECTIONAL.
SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, DOWNWARD FACING AND SHIELDED FROM STREETS.
SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
AND I CAN SAY THE FINRA HAS THE SAME ZONING AS WHIT RANCH.
SO THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT INSTALL STREET LIGHTS.
THAT'S IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
AND DOESN'T THAT APPLY TO THE ENTIRE CITY? I MEAN, IT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE LIGHTS.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDING.
THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT THINK YOU CAN'T HAVE LIGHTS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S, THAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING THAT, BUT SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT DARK SKIES MEANS DARK, NO LIGHTS.
JUST ONE QUESTION, MS. GRIFFIN.
UM, I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING OAK CREEK ROAD, I COULDN'T SEE THAT ON THE MAP.
CAN SOMEBODY POINT THAT OUT? COULD IT BE THERE'S A WHIT CREEK TRAIL AND LIVE OAK ROAD 2 79.
IT MAY NOT BE SHOWING UP ON THIS.
WELL, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ROAD? IT WAS OAK.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S EITHER THIS ROAD HERE OR UP HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR MS. GRIFFIN? NO, NOTHING FOR MS. GRIFFIN.
I JUST SAID AN OVERALL COMMENT.
THIS IS, THIS HAS TO BE VERY EASY FOR US BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHAT THE LAW IS.
UM, BUT THERE ARE ALSO, THERE WAS THERE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS THING, WHEN WHEN WE, WHEN EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, WE HEARD EVERYBODY LOUD AND CLEAR AND ON THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS TURNED INTO US ON SOMEBODY'S EMAIL.
I MEAN, IT'S, THEY WERE PROPOSING 40 FOOT WIDE LOTS, 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS, 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS, 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS, SOME ONLY VERY, VERY, VERY SMALL STRIP
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OF 150 FOOT WIDE LOTS.AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA CONFORM TO WHO'S AROUND THEM.
AND THEN THE LOCAL OFFICE DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY CAN EVEN, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY COULD BUILD THAT THING IF THERE'S, IF THERE REALLY IS THAT MUCH TOPOGRAPHY IN REPAIRING 'EM THROUGH THERE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY THE LEAST DENSE USE.
UM, SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND AS A COUNCIL, WE ACTUALLY, WHEN THE ZONING CAME UP, WE HEARD EVERYBODY LOUD AND CLEAR AND SAID, THIS IS THE LEAST DENSE ZONING THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND WE ACTUALLY TOOK ACTION ON THAT.
AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR BECAUSE THEY HAD A WHOLE PLAN IN HERE THAT WOULD'VE PROFFERED THEM A WHOLE BUNCH MORE MONEY.
UM, BUT THE BEST THING WAS TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMMUNITY AROUND THERE TOO.
SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE HEARD EVERYBODY LOUD AND CLEAR AND WHEN WE VOTED ON THE ZONING HERE, IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY IS, NOT MAKING A MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.
SO THEY'RE ALSO ASKED, I JUST DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, UM, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE TOO.
WE CAN'T ASK HIM TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, IT'S NOT LEGAL FOR US TO DO SUCH.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE DID TAKE A MAJOR STEP IN SAYING, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA.
AND BY SAYING WE'RE ONLY GONNA ALLOW ACRE LOTS OVER THERE.
THAT WAS A VERY BIG DEAL FOR US TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT TOO, THAT WE DID HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE HEAR YOU NOW TOO.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO.
I'D LIKE TO TALK TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT, PLEASE.
HI, WILL GENRICH REPRESENTING FOREST STAR, CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT? UH, WILL REMIND THAT LIVE OAK UNDER THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION PLAN WAS A MAJOR CORRIDOR ROAD AND WE SUPPORTED, ALONG WITH THE CITY, DOWNGRADING THAT TO A RESIDENTIAL ROAD THAT WILL MUCH TAKE THE CHARACTER THAT'S EXISTING ALREADY IN WHIT RANCH.
SO THAT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CONNECTOR ROAD OVER TO LIVE OAK BOULEVARD OR TO THE NEW LAKELINE, SORRY.
UH, BUT NOW IT WAS DOWNGRADED TO MATCH THE CHARACTER AND ALL THE LOTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE ACRE LOTS ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE A POINT THAT THAT LIVE OAK WAS GOING TO BE A BIG ROAD.
IT'S NOW NOT GOING TO BE A BIG ROAD.
UM, SO AS WE ALL KNOW, WE DO HAVE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT.
I THOUGHT THAT WE COULD MAYBE TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW, UH, WE SPENT 40 MINUTES LISTENING TO CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE, YOU'LL CALL SOME SORT OF, OF MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS OKAY.
AND, AND BE NEIGHBORLY AND WORK TOGETHER.
AND JUST LIKE YOU DID ON LIVE OAK PREVIOUSLY MM-HMM.
AND MY HOPE IS THAT YOU'LL BE, UM, WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY.
HE STILL, THEY STILL NEED TO MEET THE GUIDELINES OF THE CITY TOO.
THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? IT'S ALL RIGHT.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND MOTION AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
COUNSEL IS GOING TO BE IN RECESS.
IT IS, UH, 8:23 PM PLEASE BE BACK IN YOUR SEATS AT EIGHT 30.
WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD AT 8:34 PM
[22. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0016 and Variance Case VA-23-0010 to adopt the Shops at Bagdad Square Concept Plan, Preliminary Plat and Variance on one parcel of land approximately 4.672 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R519003; generally located northeast of the intersection of S. Bagdad Road and Marsala Circle, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0016 and Variance Case VA-23-0010 as described above.]
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 22, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE CP 20 2016 AND VARIANCE CASE VA 2301 10 TO ADOPT THE SHOPS AT BAGHDAD SQUARE.CONCEPT PLAN, PRELIMINARY PLAT AND VARIANCE ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.672 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE POSTAL AGENDA.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE SHOPS AT BAGHDAD SQUARE.
THIS ONE IS SIMILAR TO OUR LAST CASE WHERE THEY'RE, UM, DOING THE FIRST TWO STEPS OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE A VARIANCE REQUEST, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT, UM, YOU COULD GIVE SOME FEEDBACK, BUT I THINK THIS ONE'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SO YOU PROBABLY WON'T.
UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS LOCATION EXHIBIT, THE ORIGINAL TRACT, UM, WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE RED, CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE AND INCLUDED ALL OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE WORKS WHEN YOU DIVIDE LAND, IF YOU DIVIDED INTO TRACKS THAT ARE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES IN ZS, YOU HAVE TO PLOTT.
IN THIS CASE, THEY DIDN'T PLAT, SO THEY SOLD IT OFF TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
SO WHAT THIS APPLICANT'S DOING IS THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE SO THEY CAN ONLY PLOT THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THEY'RE LEAVING OUT THE OTHER TWO AND THAT THAT'S OKAY.
WE'RE JUST CLEANING UP A PREVIOUS MISTAKE.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE VARIANTS AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
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APPROVAL DURING THE APRIL 13TH MEETING.AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN AND NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS OR ANY OTHER ITEM TONIGHT.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL NOW, UH, MOVE INTO THE ACTION, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE CP 20 20,016 AND VARIANCE CASE VA 2,310 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
COUNSEL, MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES
[23. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0018 to adopt the Leander Independent School District Elementary No. 30 Concept Plan and Preliminary Plat on one (1) parcel of land approximately 31.417 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R624045; generally located northwest of the intersection of W. San Gabriel Parkway and Frontenac Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case CP-22-0018 as described above. ]
UNANIMOUSLY.ITEM 23, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE CP 20 2018 TO ADOPT THE LEANDER INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT ELEMENTARY NUMBER 30 CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLAT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 31.417 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE AS STATED ON THE PUIT AGENDA.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLA FOR L I S D, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
NUMBER 30, THEY'RE LOCATED ON SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY.
UM, THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST TWO STEPS IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
SO THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT SINCE IT MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION DURING THE APRIL 13TH MEETING AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANTS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACT REGARDING SUBDIVISION K CP 2 20 0 1 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
COUNSEL, MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND
OKAY, I'LL LET MS. CRABTREE DECIDE WHO MADE THE MOTION ON THAT ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PASS IS UNANIMOUSLY.
[24. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0001 to amend the current zoning of SFT-2-B (Single-Family Townhouses) to adopt the Hero Way Townhouses PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning district of SFT-2-A (Single-Family Townhouses) on two (2) parcels of land approximately 5.58 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031386 and R031387; and more commonly known as 11675 Hero Way West, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0001 as described above.]
YOU.ITEM NUMBER 24, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING CASE Z 20 2001 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF SFT TWO B SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSES TO ADOPT THE HIWAY TOWNHOUSES, P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BAY ZONING DISTRICT OF SFT TWO, A SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSES ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 5.58 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.
SO THIS IS A, A ZONING CASE, UM, TO CREATE THE HIWAY TOWNHOUSES PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED THE REQUEST FOR THE TOWNHOUSES AT THIS LOCATION IN 2021.
UM, WE DID APPROVE THE TOWNHOUSES WITH THE DENSITY LIMIT OF EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, DURING THE PLANNING OF THE PROJECT, THE DEVELOPER FOUND THAT, UM, THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH OUR SETBACK REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR SPACING BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
IT WAS 20 FEET BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES.
THEY'RE ASKING TO REDUCE THAT SETBACK.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, SO IT'S JUST A CHANGE OF SETBACKS.
UM, DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND GOT FEEDBACK FROM, UM, SOME NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY REQUESTED THAT A CONDITION WAS ADDED, THAT AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALLS CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THE CEMETERY PROPERTY.
AND THE APPLICANT DID AGREE TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT.
IT'S A RED LINE IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT'S ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z 22 0 0 1, 0 0 0 1 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.
COUNSEL BEFORE, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION OR, OR ANYTHING TO, I JUST WANT TO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS HERE, AND WE, I KNOW WE WENT OVER THIS ON OUR CALL AND I ASKED PRETTY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS HERE, BUT BETWEEN PLANNING, UH, ENGINEERING AND FIRE CODE PURPOSES, STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE, WITH THE ASKS IN THIS CASE? CORRECT.
WHERE DID WE END WITH THE, THE SIDEWALKS? WE ARE STILL CURRENTLY WITH SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH A RED LINE, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[25. Discuss and consider action regarding Subdivision Case PP-22-0019 regarding Gabriel’s Horn Preliminary Plat on four (4) parcels of land approximately 17.82 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R473804, R500871, R500872, and R022218; generally located at the northwest corner of Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard and Gabriel’s Horn Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
MOVING INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM 25, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE PP 20 20 19 REGARDING GABRIEL'S HORN, PRELIMINARY PLAT ON FOUR PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 17.82 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN, THIS IS MY LAST ONE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE GABRIEL GABRIEL'S HORN PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, THIS IS COMING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REMOVE HERITAGE TREES.
LET'S SEE IF I HAVE THE, OKAY, HERE'S THE, THE EXHIBITS.
UM, ALL OF THE GRAY TREES ARE HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
AND THEN THE TREES WITH THE DASHES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
UM, WITH THIS REQUEST, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE TO PAY A FEE IN THE AMOUNT OF $36,000 FOR THE HERITAGE TREE REMOVAL ITSELF, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA PAY A MITIGATION FEE AND THE AMOUNT OF $83,812.
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DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE TREE REMOVAL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[26. Discuss proposed road and park projects for a possible Williamson County bond election in November 2023.]
THANK YOU.ITEM NUMBER 26, DISCUSS PROFE PROPOSED ROAD AND PARK PROJECTS FOR A POSSIBLE WILLIAMSON COUNTY BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, 2023.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, GRIMS BBO.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL DAN GRIMS, UH, DIRECTOR OF INFRAS, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY OF LAND.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, UPCOMING.
UM, THE COMMISSIONER COURT IS CONSIDERING HOLDING A, A, UH, BOND, UM, FOR ROADS AND PARKS IN NOVEMBER 23.
AND THEY'VE ASKED US TO FILL OUT, UM, FORMS BY THE APRIL OF 28TH.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, PROVIDE A RESOLUTION FROM A CITY COUNCIL APPROVING AND SUPPORTING THE PROJECTS.
SO TODAY WE'RE KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA, UM, SUBMIT.
UM, ON THE 28TH, I DID TALK TO, UH, MR. BOB DAY FROM THE, THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, IT WAS KINDA SHORT NOTICE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTION TURNED IN ON THE 28TH.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND THEN, UM, IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER, WE CAN, BUT WE, WE CAN TURN THE RESOLUTION IN AFTER, UH, THE APP, THE SUBMISSIONS OF THE, UH, OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATIONS FOR THE
SO, UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, THE FIRST FEW PROJECTS WILL, WILL BE ABOUT THE, THE THREE THINGS THAT THEY ASKED FOR WAS ROADS, DRAINAGE, AND, UM, PARK TRAILS.
AND SO, UM, MARK'S GONNA TALK FIRST ABOUT THE TRAILS AND THEN I'LL, I'LL CHIME IN ABOUT THE TWO ROADS AND A DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT WE'D LIKE TO SUBMIT.
COUNCIL, MARK TIMMINS, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
THIS IS EXCITING, EXCITING PROJECTS.
UM, WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, UM, I GUESS WE CAN FORWARD HOPEFULLY YES.
YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS IS RIGHT.
RIVER RANCH, COUNTY PARK, UH, GETTING READY TO OPEN REALLY VERY SOON ALONG THE SAN GABRIEL RIVER.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A TIME COMING, BUT THEN COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GARY PARK.
UM, THIS IS THE SECTION THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON, AS YOU'LL KNOW THAT WE HAVE SAN GABRIEL PARK, UM, BEING UNDER MASTER PLAN NOW.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, A SECTION THAT COMES DOWN AND IT JOINS INTO 2 67, UM, THAT WILL ALSO BE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS TO MAXIMIZE THOSE DOLLARS, UH, THAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT ALSO INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT OF SECTION OF 2 67, AND THEN WE PICK UP WITH THE BAR W RANCH PROJECT.
UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN EXCELLENT TO WORK WITH PUTTING IN THEIR PORTION OF THE TRAIL, UM, UH, IN, IN BEGINNING THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, VALLEY VISTA HAS ALREADY PUT IN THEIR PORTION OF THE TRAIL ANIMAL HOSPITAL, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA, UM, IS IS GONNA BE PUTTING IN THEIRS.
BUT THEN WE HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF GETTING UNDER REAGAN.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT OUR, UH, THIS GRANT IS, IS GONNA BE FOR TOO, IS PUTTING THE TRAIL UNDER, UNDER REAGAN.
THEN WE MOVE RIGHT INTO VALLEY VISTA EAST.
UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY JUST HEARD ABOUT, UM, WILL ALSO BE PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN BLUFF VIEW HAS ALREADY PUT IN ALL OF THEIR TRAIL, UH, ALONG INTO GARY PARK.
SO THIS IS A REALLY CRITICAL COMPONENT FROM OUR PARK, UM, AND ALL THE WAY TO GARY PARK.
UH, THAT CONSENT ESSENTIALLY BE DONE PROBABLY BY 2025 AT THE END OF 2025 IF ALL THE STARS ALIGN PERFECTLY.
UM, AND SO I WANTED TO SHARE, SHARE THAT PART OF IT WITH YOU AS NUMBER ONE.
IT'S ALSO A VERY HIGH PRIORITY ON THE COUNTY, UH, UH, TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
SO IT, IT LINES UP REALLY WELL, I THINK WITH, WITH THEIR OBJECTIVES ARE AS WELL.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT AROUND A FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR TOTAL ESTIMATE.
UM, YOU CAN SORT OF PULL AHEAD HERE, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR TOTAL ESTIMATE, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, APPRECIATE OUR ENGINEERING PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR HELPING US AND, AND, UH, CIP P DEPARTMENT FOR HELPING US, UH, PULL THESE FIGURES TOGETHER.
UM, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A 50 50 SPLIT, IT'S ABOUT 2.2 MILLION EACH.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE FOCUS IS MORE OF AN 80 20 SPLIT, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR, OUR PORTION WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
AND REMEMBER, WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS FOR OUR PORTION OF THIS TRAIL COMING ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ABOUT, WELL, LET'S SEE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE REAGAN IS ON THIS ONE, BUT SECTION A.
AND THEN WE GOT SECTION THE TRAIL HEAD.
SO WE'RE RIGHT DOWN TO ABOUT HERE.
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WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS PUT IN OUR TRAIL.AND THEN WE COME UNDER CTM R A, THEIR TRAIL GOING UNDER THE, UNDER 180 3 A.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, POTENTIALLY A TRAIL HEAD, UH, ON THE SITE RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER OF 2 67 AND BAR W RANCH.
AND THEN COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
YOU CAN SEE HERE AS WE COME IN THIS LITTLE BIT BETTER CLOSEUP COMING UNDER REAGAN, THIS SECTION B, AND THEN COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO GARY PARK.
SO MOST OF IT'S BEING DONE BY DEVELOPERS.
IT'S SMALL LITTLE GAPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TAKE CARE OF, AND ONE OF IT'S OUR OWN PARK.
SO WANTED TO SHARE, SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
THE SECOND PROJECT IS ALSO A VERY HIGH PRIORITY WITH THE, UM, THE COUNTY, UH, BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL, UM, AND SORT OF COMING FROM OUT FROM DOWNTOWN OR SOME OLD TOWN AREA COMING ALONG.
BRUSHY CREEK, BASICALLY FROM 180 3 A ALL THE WAY TO AROUND RONALD REAGAN AND CONNECTING TO THE C CERITA VALLEY, UM, TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY IN, IN PLACE AND COMING UP UNDER REAGAN AS WELL.
I THINK WE HAVE A CLOSEUP ALSO.
WE DO THE, THE, THE CITY, WE, THIS IS VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEN CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
THEN WE HAVE SOME LITTLE BIT OF PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE DAVIS CEMETERY.
THEN WE'VE GOT A PRIVATE, A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER BASICALLY IN HERE THAN WE HAVE MORE CITY PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE COME DOWN, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY IN HERE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT IS EITHER IN CITY OWNERSHIP AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE LANDOWNERS TO GET AN EASEMENT.
MARELLA IS ALREADY PUT IN THEIR PART OF THE TRAIL.
UH, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER DEVELOPER PUTTING IN THEIR PART OF THE TRAIL UP IN HERE.
SO, UH, A LOT OF, LOT OF NICE THINGS HAPPENING, BUT WE BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE THIS TRAIL ALSO COMPLETED AND EXTENDED.
AND WE'VE GOT, AS YOU COME UP INTO OLD TOWN AREA, MORE OF THE DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA BE PUTTING IN THEIR PORTION, PORTION OF THE TRAIL.
SOME IS ALREADY ON THE GROUND, AS YOU'LL KNOW.
SO THIS IS ALSO HELPING FILL IN GAPS WITH TWO TRAILS.
THIS PROJECT IS ALSO IN THE, REALLY CLOSE TO THE OTHER ONE ABOUT ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THERE YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN.
I MEAN, ALMOST THE SAME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER TRAIL THAN WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT, UM, THE OTHER ONE ALSO HAD QUITE A FEW MORE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CROSS OVER DRAWS.
AND OF COURSE, UH, THE TRAILHEAD AND SO FORTH.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, ONE THING I SHOULD POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, UM, MARK SHOWED THE 50 50 AND 80 20, AND WE WERE LEANING TOWARDS THE 80 20.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED WITH THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON AS RELATED TO THOSE FUNDINGS, AND THAT IS ROBERT
AND SO, SO THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME DISCUSSION IN THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE, THE INITIAL THOUGHT PROCESS.
UM, IN, IN THE EMAIL THAT CAME OUT, THEY KIND OF SAID, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, UH, PAR UH, PARTICIPATION IN MATCHING FUNDS.
AND SO, UM, AGAIN, UM, WITH SHORT NOTICE, WE KIND OF WENT WITH THE 80 20, UM, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS.
WE, THIS WAS DONE IN 2019, JUST AS A LITTLE HISTORY.
AND THE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY LEANDER EXCEPT FOR HERE AWAY, WHICH WAS KIND OF A, UH, OFF TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT, NONE OF THE PROJECTS WERE ACTUALLY ACCEPTED.
AND SO HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR, MAYBE WE WILL, UM, I THINK THE PROJECTS WE'RE SUBMITTING WILL HOPEFULLY BE, UM, MORE IN TUNE TO WANTING THEM TO FUND IT.
SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, THAT FOR A ROAD PROJECT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS, UH, CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY EXTENSION.
AND, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE LOCATION OF IT.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE, UM, CLOSE VIEW RIGHT HERE, AND THEN KIND OF THE SITE SITE LAYOUT.
AND AS A REMINDER, IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT, UM, 1 77 KIND OF RUNS ALONG HERE AND THEN POPS BACK UP AND IT GOES THROUGH A, A, UM, A LOW BRIDGE AREA.
SO, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, AND THIS DOES A GREAT JOB GOING, UM, WEST TO EAST OR EAST TO WEST, UM, FOR TRANSPORTATION.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IT DOES IS IT TAKES CARE OF THIS AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OWN, UM, UH, CR 1 77 AND, UM, THAT ROAD, UM, IS NOT VERY DRIVABLE.
UM, THAT BRIDGE IS ONLY ONE, ONE WAY, ONLY ONE CAR CAN GO ACROSS IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THE COUNTY SAYS, YEP, WE REALLY NEED THE CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY EXTENSION TO GO THROUGH THERE.
AND, AND OF COURSE WE GOT THE CORNER LOT ALREADY, UM, PURCHASED.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE PRIORITY IS STILL THE RONALD REGA PUMP STATION, I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO FORGET THAT RONALD REGA PUMP STATION.
SO, SO THAT WAS A THOUGHT PROCESS FROM
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THE STAFF TO, UH, TO MOVE THAT ONE FORWARD.AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UM, IRONICALLY WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ONE, UM, IS THE, UH, NORTH BAGHDAD ROAD IN THIS CASE, UH, CR 2 81 OR 2 79, UM, IT'S GONNA GO BASICALLY FROM COLLABORATIVE WAY TO CR 2 81, WHICH IS, IS AT OUR CITY LIMITS.
AND WHY WE THINK THIS ONE WILL BE A BETTER SELL IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THEIR ROAD FOR NORTH BAGHDAD FROM OUR CITY LIMITS, WHICH WE DID IN I L A WITH THEM.
WHAT'S THE COUNCIL APPROVED? UM, AND WE TOOK, UM, IN THERE, UM, STORM WATER INTERCEPTOR AND WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE I L A CUZ IT WAS IN OUR CITY LIMITS.
AND SO, UH, FROM 2 81 TO LIBERTY HILL, THAT ROAD GOES.
AND SO WHAT IT DOES IS FINISH THAT CONNECTION AND THEN WE HAVE A COMPLETE THOROUGH, UH, FAIRWAY THROUGH THERE.
AND SO IT, IT REALLY BLENDS IN WELL WITH THE COUNTY'S COUNTY'S PROJECT, UM, WHICH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START, UM, HERE SOON.
AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE, WHOOPS, THE, UH, THE, UH, DESCRIPTION OF IT, UM, UP HERE IN THE CORNER.
AND, UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOING OUT FOR BID THIS SUMMER.
SO I'M THINKING THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINKING OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION, UM, EARLY, EARLY NEXT YEAR, IF NOT SOONER.
AND, UH, GINA LOOKED, I HAD TALKED TO THEM AND, UH, THE PRICE THAT WE SHOWED IS, UM, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THEIR, THEIR COST OF THEIR PROJECT, KIND OF, UH, KEEPING, KEEPING IN LINE WITH THAT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE 80 20 SPLIT ON THAT ONE.
AND AGAIN, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, THE LAST ONE FOR US IS, UM, WE LIKE TO DO A, A STORM WATER MASTER PLAN.
UM, I, WELL, YOU ACTUALLY SEE THERE IS THE, UH, WATER MASTER PLAN.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UH, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR SHOWING WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE NEED IN THE FUTURE IN THIS CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WATER MASTER PLAN IS SHOWING WHAT WE WOULD NEED IN 2020, ALTHOUGH, WOW, WE'RE REALLY MOVING PAST THAT 2020 MARK
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT THIS PROJECT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE THINK IT'S ABOUT 500 K BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT ON, ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECT.
THE WASTEWATER PROJECT ONE WE'RE DOING, UM, WAS JUST AWARDED AND THEY'RE MOVING OUT ON THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, ALSO STANDING BY FOR, FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR US TO PROVIDE OUR TOP THREE ROADWAY DRAINAGE AND OR TOP THREE REGIONAL TRAIL CONNECTIONS SO WE COULD SUBMIT EVERYTHING.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT.
SO YOU CAN SUBMIT EVERYTHING, UM, AND, UM, KIND OF HOPE OR YOU PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THE ONES YOU DO WANNA SUBMIT AND PUT REALLY GOOD ONES IN AND SAY, THESE ARE THE ONES WE REALLY WANT.
AND THEN THEY GO, OKAY, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE REALLY WANT.
SO, UM, WE THINK THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANT.
YOU WANNA SUBMIT ALL OF THEM? THEM? YES.
ALL, ALL THIS, THE, THE TWO TRAILS, THE, THE MASTER PLAN AND THE TWO ROADS, THOSE WILL ALL GO, OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED FILLING OUT THE FORMS AND, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE FILLING THEM OUT SO THAT WE CAN GET 'EM SUBMITTED BY THE 28TH.
YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH DO WHATEVER Y'ALL FEEL IS FEASIBLE.
YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THEN, THEN YOU'LL SEE A RESOLUTION, OKAY.
COME BACK AND, AND SUPPORT OF, OF SET FIVE PROJECTS AND, UH, AND WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THAT ALONG AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME FUNDING THIS YEAR FOR IT.
COUNSEL, ANYTHING FURTHER? THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR THE QUICK WORK ON THAT.
[27. Discuss and consider award of Solicitation S23-006 to Bennet Paving, Inc. for the Roadway Rehabilitation Fiscal Year 2023 project; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM 27, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AWARD OF SOLICITATION S 23 DASH 0 0 6 TO BENNETT PAVING INC.
FOR THE ROADWAY REHABILITATION FISCAL YEAR 2023 PROJECT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ELLISON.
UH, THIS IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON OUR ANNUAL, UM, AWARD OF OUR ROTARY REHAB PROJECT.
UH, WE GO OUT AS WE DO ANNUALLY TO, UM, AWARD, SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, WE DEVELOPED PLAN SPECIFICATIONS, UM, AND, AND GO OUT TO BID.
UH, FOR THESE, LET'S SEE, FOR SECTIONS.
SO LAKE LINE, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH, OR SORRY, ALL NORTH OF CRYSTAL FALLS.
UH, WE RECEIVED OUR BIDS ON MARCH 20TH.
WE, UM, RECEIVED FIVE BIDS AND THE LOW QUALIFIED BID BIDDER WAS BENNETT PAVING.
UH, WE STRUCTURED OUR BIDS, UM, TO HAVE A BASE BID OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO
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GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY AND AWARD DUE TO BUDGET.UM, AND, AND LAKELAND CAME IN AND ABOUT THAT, SO SORRY, MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AS WE PRESENTED LAST MEETING, UM, STAFF HAS COME UP WITH A COUPLE OPTIONS AS FAR AS FUNDING.
UM, OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO UTILIZE THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, FUNDS, THE 2022 TRANSPORTATION FUNDS THAT WOULD, AND THEN THIS WOULD HELP SAVE, UM, SOME GENERAL FUND SAVINGS OF ABOUT 2.2, WHICH WOULD BE THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD USE, UM, TO FUND THE ROAD REHAB TRADITIONALLY.
UM, SO THE, UH, THE COST WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING ALL BASE BID AND ALTERNATES, UM, TO, TO HANDLE ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WENT OUT AT $1.98 MILLION.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THIS WOULD SAVE THE GENERAL FUND ABOUT 2.2, UM, MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, THIS LEAVES SOME ROOM, UH, FOR A POSSIBLE FUTURE CHANGE ORDER, AS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, FOR HERITAGE GROVE, WHERE WE WOULD GIVE IT, UM, LET'S SEE, UM, WE DO SOME FULL DEPTH REPAIRS AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END OF THE PROJECT AND THEN DO AN EDGE MILL AND OVERLAY FOR THE, THE, THE STRETCH IN BETWEEN.
AND OPTION TWO WOULD BE THE MORE TRADITIONAL OPTION WHERE WE WOULD, UM, FUND WITH GENERAL FUNDS.
UH, IN THIS CASE WE WOULD RECOMMEND FUNDING THE BASE PLUS ALTERNATE ONE, WHICH WOULD GET ALL OF LAKELINE THE FOUR LANE SECTION OF LAKELINE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, UNION STREET AND UH, HORIZON PARK WOULD BE DEFERRED TO F Y 24.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT ON OPTION TWO, THERE'S NO OPTION FOR HERITAGE GROVE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
CUZ THAT WAS NOT IN OUR ORIGINAL WORK PLAN FOR THIS YEAR.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT HERITAGE GROVE IS ONE OF THE WORST ROADS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN CONDITION WISE.
UM, SO PERSONALLY I LIKE OPTION ONE JUST BECAUSE IT GIVES US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH THERE.
OH, YES, MR. GRIMS BOW, WELCOME BACK.
AND DAN GRIMS, BOW EX EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO LET ME PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS.
UM, WE, WE BROUGHT HERITAGE GROW FORWARD BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD A, A LARGE, UM, FACTORY COMING IN AND, AND THE OTHER DEVELOPERS WERE GONNA, UH, MOVE OUT ON TWO OTHER ROADS AND UM, AND BUILD THOSE.
HERITAGE GROVE MIGHT BE A BAD ROPE, BUT IT, IT WASN'T ON ANY OF OUR IMMEDIATE LIST, MEANING THAT, UM, WE WE COULD CERTAINLY DO AN OVERLAY ON IT AND, AND, AND MAKE IT BETTER.
UM, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A WAY, BUT IF THINGS DON'T MOVE FORWARD IN THAT AREA OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, THEN IT'S KIND OF, TO ME NO HARM, NO FOUL.
IT'S NO WORSE THAN THAN THAN IT IS NOW.
AND ABOUT THE ONLY PEOPLE REALLY USE IT ARE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA GETTING IN AND OUT.
NOW I THINK OPTION ONE ALLOWS US, AND, AND, AND ROBERT IS WHY HE BRAINSTORMED THIS AND, AND RILEY.
SO, UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH HERITAGE GROVE AND GOOD ON THE CITY FOR MOVING IN, CUZ WE EXPEDITED GETTING THAT DONE TO YOU ALL AND APPROVED AND DID CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BUT THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE DID IT ALL FELL APART.
AND SO IF WE DO KEEP THE MONEY AND, AND, AND, AND RECONSTRUCT HERITAGE ROAD USING THAT BOND MONEY AND NOT USE IT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE GENERAL FUNDS AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING $3 MILLION ABOUT INTO A ROAD THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ON IT AND IT MAKES THE LAND MUCH MORE PROFITABLE FOR MAYBE PUTTING THINGS IN THAT ARE NOT AS BIG AS A KNIFE FACTORY AND ALSO EXPENSIVE DEPENDING ON WHO YOU, SO IT'S PROFITABLE FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SELLING THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALSO MORE EXPENSIVE FOR WHOEVER WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT.
AND, AND THEN THE INCENTIVE THAT WE CREATED IS GONE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO HELP THE KNIFE FACTORY WHO WAS ALSO PUTTING IN FUNDS FOR PART OF A ROAD AND THEN DEVELOPERS AND, AND THERE'S CERTAIN DESIGNS THAT SUPPOSEDLY GOT TO A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
IF WE DO THE SECOND OPTION, THEN ALL THE MONEY FOR HERITAGE ROAD IS STILL THERE.
AND THEN WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY COMPLETELY FIX THE ROAD AS PER THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ALMOST COMPLETED TO FINISH DESIGN, BUT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN MEMBER HAS IT ENDING IN A CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE WE WANTED THE OTHER TWO ROADS, WHICH HAS BETTER ACCESS TO, TO 180 3.
THE SECOND OPTION DOES PART OF THE,
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OF THE, UM, REHAB FOR THE ROADS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP THE GENERAL FUND.AND WE STILL HAVE THE FUNDING FOR HERITAGE ROAD THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE WHEN YOU'RE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO IS THAT ONE SUPPORTS THE GENERAL FUNDING GETTING US THROUGH, UM, KIND OF A FUNDING SITUATION, BUT WITHOUT REALLY GOOD DEVELOPMENT.
AND I, I THINK RANDALL'S BEHIND ME, SARAH, AND HE CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THE KIND OF WHERE, WHERE IT'S, UM, BUT WITHOUT REALLY ANYTHING STRONG ON THE HORIZON.
UM, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST IMPROVING A ROAD FOR KIND OF WHAT WE HAD A, WE HAD A PURPOSE AT ONE TIME, A REALLY GOOD ONE.
UM, BUT THAT KIND OF DISSIPATED AND NOW WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE VERY BEST WAY TO, TO USE IT.
AND SO I THINK, AND I, I'M HOPING, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL, BUT I I I'M THINKING THAT, UM, AND WE DISCUSSED IT AS A GROUP, THAT OPTION ONE IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THEN THIS IS THE PART THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE TO ASK YOURSELVES, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT PROPERTY AND DO WE WANNA CAUSE BECAUSE WE FIXED THE ROAD, UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY REALLY COMING IN TO SUPPORT SAID DUE DILIGENCE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT KIND OF WAS ALL SPOKEN BECAUSE I KNOW OPTION TWO LOOKS GOOD, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THEIR REHAB DONE AND ALSO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND, OPTION ONE IS GONNA DO ALL THAT MUCH MORE SO THAN OPTION TWO.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT I DID KIND OF WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO I CAN, CAN I JUST, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY BORROWED THE MONEY Y YES.
SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE THIS INTO A SMALL HOUSEHOLD BUDGET.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, YEAH, I'M GONNA LET ROBERT SPEAK TO THAT MORE INTELLIGENTLY, BUT OKAY.
SO FAR WE, SO WE'VE BORROWED THE MONEY, CORRECT.
SO IT'S THERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THE WORK, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE COULD PUT PATCHES ON IT AND DO A, JUST A, A SMALL, UM, IMPROVEMENTS FOR ABOUT HALF WITH THAT MONEY THAT WE'VE BORROWED MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE STILL HAVE THE MONEY TO DO WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT SAME ROAD IF SOMETHING CHANGES.
IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING SO FAR? JUST IN SIMPLE TERMS, IT'D HAVE TO BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE MAJOR FOR US TO WANNA PROCEED.
I MEAN IF, WHATEVER THAT IS, IF IT IS FABULOUS AND IT HAPPENS, THEN WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT WITH
BUT, BUT IN THEORY, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU
I MEAN, YOU DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE, WHAT IFS ARE HARD.
UM, SO THIS IS, SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIGGEST SAVINGS, YOU KNOW, TO THE TAXPAYERS, UH, AND THE BEST USE OF THE FUNDS AND, AND I'M, I'M KIND OF GETTING MIXED.
I, I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING MIXED MESSAGES.
UM, BUT THEN THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AND IT'S 700 AND IT WOULD ONLY SAVE 723,000.
SO IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL FUND IS THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN BORROWING OTHER MONEY IS NOT THE GENERAL FUND.
SO WHERE THE GENERAL FUND PAYS FOR IT, DOES IT NOT
UM, HE'S TRYING TO, THAT'S WHAT OPTION IS.
I KNOW
WE ARE STILL PROJECTED TO BE SHORT, OH, WELL OVER TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
SO, UM, IT COULD BE WORSE, COULD BE BETTER.
BUT OPTION ONE GETS US VERY CLOSE TO NOT ENDING THE FISCAL YEAR IN A DEFICIT IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
BUT IT IS NOT A GOOD STORY TO TELL YOUR, UM, UM, BOND RATING AGENCIES ABOUT WHY YOU WENT, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE.
YOU'VE GOTTA EXPLAIN A LOT OF THINGS AND THE MORE YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN, THE MORE QUESTIONS THEY ASK.
SO IT IS NOT GOOD PRACTICE TO END, UM, YOUR GENERAL FUND IN A DEFICIT OTHER THAN IF IT'S SOMETHING EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, UM, YOU KNOW, NATURAL DISASTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO OPTION ONE SAVES MONEY THAT IS, IT'S BUDGETED, BUT IT'S
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NOT REALLY THERE IN THE GENERAL FUND.SO OPTION TWO WOULD, WOULD GET US A LITTLE, UH, ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY, BUT NOT SO REALLY IT, IT'S, IT IS FIXING THE GENERAL FUND ISSUE, UM, BUT IT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM WITH THE FUNDS.
SO HE FIXES THE, OR HELPS THE GENERAL FUND ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT CAUSING ANOTHER PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED THIS THE CO CORRECT, THE OKAY, THE MONEY IS IN THE BANK.
AND IT'S RESTRICTED FOR TRANSPORTATION TRAVELS.
SO IT'S JUST UP TO US TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHICH ONE WE WANT TO USE.
AND, AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT OFTENTIMES CITIES, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THEIR OLDER STREETS, WILL HAVE TO ISSUE BONDS FOR, UM, REHABILITATION EFFORTS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S LIKE ROBERT MENTIONED, IT IS AN ALLOWABLE COST.
IF THIS WAS THE EYE DOCTOR AND IT WAS BETTER, ONE BETTER TWO I I BLANK AND SAY BETTER ONE, UH, IT W IT IS GOING TO HELP US WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION.
AND THEN, AND THIS IS KIND OF A LARGER PICTURE, IF YOU WERE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING ON SPEC, RIGHT? YOU WANTED TO BUILD AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK AREA WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ON SPEC AND YOU HAD A FOUR B CORP AND COULD PAY FOR IT, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
BUT WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION AND NOT HAVING THE ACTUAL END USER, UM, I THINK THAT THIS ONE KIND OF SPEAKS FOR ITSELF UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT THIS WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO AND THE CITY MANAGER'S, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, UH, MANY CITIES DO BOND PROJECT FOR ROADS AND UM, CORPUS HAS, DOES BOND PROJECTS.
AND I WANNA SAY THIS LAST TIME IT WAS ABOUT 70 MILLION.
YOU KNOW, I ALSO HAVE A MAINTENANCE FEE THAT THEY CHARGE ALL THE RESIDENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL ROADS ONLY.
UH, WE ARE GONNA BE HAVING THE IMPACT FEES FOR ROADS, CUZ REALLY RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR ROADS, UNLIKE WATER.
AND, AND THEN WASTEWATER THAT'LL KICK IN.
BUT AT SOME POINT THE CITY MAY HAVE TO DO A LOT OF OUR ROADS ARE RELATIVELY NEW.
THERE ARE A FEW WHO ARE NOT, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, HERITAGE, UH, GROVE IS ONE, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS.
UM, AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND, AND DO A BOND LIKE THE CITY DID IN 2016 FOR FOR SET PROJECTS.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO DO BONDS FOR ROADS, I WANNA SAY RON RODD PUT OUT A, A LARGE ONE FOR, FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS, UM, ROADS AND SAFETY AND OTHER.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH, UH, THE BUDGET AND THEN STILL PAY FOR THE REHAB CONTRACT AND THEN POTENTIALLY EVEN IF, IF WE THINK NECESSARY A, UM, A CHANGE ORDER TO DO SOME WORK ON HERITAGES GROVE ROAD.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR OPTION NUMBER ONE.
SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL, I WILL ADD THAT OPTION ONE IS, IS JUST THE ROAD REHAB BASE AND ALTERNATES.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE HERITAGE GROVE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE DECISION, UM, THAT WE, SO WE WERE ADVISED TO.
UM, IT LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN, LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN, THERE'S AN OPTION FOR IT, UM, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE IT AT THIS TIME.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM STAFF OR COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY.
[28. Discuss and consider action on appointments to fill unexpired terms to the following boards, commissions and committees: Board of Adjustment, Economic Development Committee and Parks & Recreation Advisory Board.]
ITEM NUMBER 28, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON APPOINTMENTS TO FILL UNEXPIRED TERMS TO THE FOLLOWING BOARD'S, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD.SHE'S, UM, OH, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
AS YOU KNOW, EVERY APRIL WE FILL UNEXPIRED VACANCIES, SORRY, ALLERGIES ON UH, BOARDING COMMISSIONS.
THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED, BOARDS OF ADJUSTMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD HAS VACANCIES.
WE, UH, THIS ITEM WILL PROVIDE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL THOSE VACANCIES APPOINTMENTS WILL BE CONDUCTED USED IN A BALLOT PROCESS.
THIS PROCESS WILL ADDRESS ONE BOARD AT A TIME.
I'LL FIRST PASS OUT THE BALLOTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD.
YOU WILL CIRCLE THE APPLICANT OF YOUR CHOICE, AFTER WHICH YOU WILL PASS THE BALLOT DOWN TO MS. CRABTREE AND SHALL TALLY THE VOTES.
ARE WE GOING IN THE ORDER THAT'S ON HERE? BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEN PARKS AND REC? YES.
THERE'S THREE VACANCIES ON BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
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SO THERE'S NO ONE TO NO BALLOTS FOR THAT.SO NEXT WOULD BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO COUNSEL, I HAD A, A STATEMENT AND A SUGGESTION HERE BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE WAY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SORT OF IN FLUX.
WE'RE GONNA BE REWRITING THE ORDINANCE.
THEY'VE ALSO BEEN FACING ANOTHER ISSUE IN THAT, UM, THEY ARE TRYING TO DO ALL OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, UM, WITH FILLING THE SUBCOMMITTEES WITHOUT BREAKING QUORUM.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT INSTEAD OF APPOINTING ALL OF THESE APPLICANTS, WHICH WE APPRECIATE THEM APPLYING AND COMING OUT, INSTEAD OF APPOINTING THEM, THAT WE, UM, JUST DON'T APPOINT ANYBODY AND ASK THEM ALL RESPECTFULLY TO COME AS VOLUNTEERS TO FILL THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES SO THEY DON'T COUNT AGAINST QUORUM.
AND AFTER WE RETOOL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WE COULD RECONSIDER APPOINTMENTS AT THAT TIME AFTER WE SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING WITH THEIR SUBCOMMITTEES.
SO THE BIGGEST REASON WOULD ALSO BE TO RE MAKE SURE WE'RE RESTRUCTURED AND FOCUSED BEFORE YOU'RE BRINGING EVERYBODY IN TOO.
I THINK THE BIGGEST REASON IS THAT THEY NEED PEOPLE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND THEY DON'T HAVE WARM BODIES THAT DON'T COUNT AGAINST QUORUM.
BUT THE SECOND BIGGEST WOULD BE, YEAH, IT GIVES US SOME BREATHING ROOM TO, UH, GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION THAT THEY NEED.
BUT CURRENTLY, EVERY MEETING WHEN YOU LISTEN TO IT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE TROUBLE GETTING TOGETHER TO GET THINGS DONE, BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY HAVE TWO OF THEM PER SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ON SOMETHING.
AND WE'VE GOT A STACK OF APPLICANTS WHO SAY, I'M PASSIONATE AND I WANNA HELP.
WELL, THIS IS THE WAY THEY WOULD BE MOST EFFECTIVE IN HELPING.
SO ARE WE STILL TALKING SEVEN PEOPLE OR? I KNOW WE HAD ANOTHER LAW, SO WE COULD DO EIGHT, BUT YOU CAN WELL, WE'RE NOT APPOINTING ANYBODY.
WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM TO ANYBODY ON THERE TO, ACCORDING TO THEIR ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF SEVEN AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY TODAY AT SEVEN WITH THE LOSS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING WE SUBCOMMITTEES, WE WOULD NOT APPOINT, WE DON'T APPOINT SUBCOMMITTEES.
SO WE WOULD JUST, UH, PROVIDE THOSE NAMES TO THE BOARD MEMBERS TO CONTACT TO ASK THEM TO BE A PART OF THEIR SUBCOMMITTEES.
SO IT'S ALL ON THE COMMITTEE? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEN DO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS RE REAPP APPOINTING OR APPOINTING MORE PEOPLE TO THIS BOARD, THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF GET, GET EVERYTHING RESTRUCTURED WITH THE ORDINANCE ANYWAYS.
AND MAYBE WE'D BE READY BY THE NEXT ROUND.
SO DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT ON TIME TO GET THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER? BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY ELSE DROPS, THEN THEY ARE NOT MEETING THEIR CURRENT ORDINANCE WITH SEVEN MEMBERS.
UM, IF SOMEBODY DECIDES TO LEAVE BEFORE OCTOBER, WELL, WHEN WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT BEFORE WHERE SOMEBODY LIKE A LIBRARY FOR A WHILE MM-HMM.
WE JUST APPOINTED SOMEBODY OUT OF CYCLE.
SO I SUPPOSE IF IT CAME DOWN TO THAT, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT OPTION.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? NO, THANK YOUR HONOR.
ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT LEADS US TO PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD.
AND THERE'S TWO VACANCIES AND I WILL PASS OUT THE BALLOTS.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS
REMEMBER THAT NIGHT WE HAD LIKE A THOUSAND APPOINTMENTS AND FARMER PETE CAME IN AND PLAYED THE JEOPARDY THEME.
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ALL RIGHT.SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT CHERYL MCLAREN AND MARSHA BACK TO PARKS AND REC.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL STAY INVOLVED AS A VOLUNTEER ON ALL OF YOUR BOARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL HAVING PROBLEMS WITH SUBCOMMITTEES.
THEY ALL NEED MORE WARM BODIES.
[29. Council Member Future Agenda Items [Any deliberation of or decision about the subject of the inquiry shall be limited to a proposal to place the subject on the agenda for a subsequent meeting.]]
ITEM NUMBER 29, COUNCIL MEMBER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANY DELIBERATION OF OR DECISION ABOUT A SUBJECT OF AN INQUIRY SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PROPOSAL TO PLACE A SUBJECT ON THE AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.I, I HOPE THAT ROBIN DOESN'T THROW SOMETHING AT ME WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE SIGN ORDINANCE ON THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY.
OH, THAT SOUNDS AMAZING THOUGH.
WHEN IS THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT'S GO TO, THAT'S, IT'S NOT OKAY.
CAN WE GET IT TO P AND Z IN MAY? WE LOVE YOU IN MAY.
JUST THINK HOW WONDERFUL IT'D BE WHEN YOU CAN SCRATCH IT OFF YOUR LIST.
[30. Council Member Closing Statements.]
ALL RIGHT.ITEM 30, COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS.
SO HAPPY SAN JACINTO DAY TOMORROW.
UM, SAN JACINTO DAY IS A CELEBRATION OF THE BATTLE OF SAN JACINTO ON APRIL 21ST, UH, 1836.
IT WAS THE FINAL BATTLE OF THE TEXAS REVOLUTION WHERE TEXAS WON IT'S INDEPENDENCE FROM MEXICO.
AS WE SAT HERE AND HAVING THREE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WITH STORMS, I FELT REALLY NICE THAT NOT ONLY THAT WE'RE GETTING RAIN, BUT THAT ABOUT THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PHONES WENT OFF BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE WARREN CENTRAL TEXAS APP.
SO I'M POINTING TO THESE LADIES HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS A REMINDER TO LEANDER RESIDENTS GET THE WARREN CENTRAL TEXAS APP.
UM, IT WILL CALL YOU, IT WILL TEXT YOU WHEN THERE'S A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM AND OVER AND AGAIN.
AND, UH, WE'RE GETTING TO THE TORRENTIAL SEASON.
APRIL, MAY IS WHEN WE HAVE OUR STORMS. SO, DAN, DO YOU HAVE IT? YEAH, I'M OPEN.
I DIDN'T, THAT'S UNLESS THERE WAS AN APP.
SO IF YOU ARE IN THE DARK AGES, LIKE ME, WARREN CENTRAL TEXAS.ORG, AND THEN YOU SIGN UP FOR TEXT, PHONE AND, UH, EMAIL ALERTS AND IT'LL GO DOWN THE LINE OF ALERTING YOU UNTIL YOU CONFIRM ONE.
SO I HAD MULTIPLE, LIKE YOU DIDN'T REPLY, SO WE'RE TEXTING YOU NOW.
AND I THINK IT'S SMART ENOUGH THAT IF YOU'RE TRAVELING, LIKE I WAS TRAVELING TO AUSTIN AND THERE WAS AN ALERT IN AUSTIN, IT WILL, IT WILL KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TRAVELING TO.
AS ALWAYS, IN AN EFFORT TO KEEP YOUR TAX DOLLARS LOCAL TONIGHT, WOW, THAT CAMERA JUST SWITCHED REALLY FAST.
UM, TONIGHT WE PICKED UP DINNER FROM BROOKLYN HEIGHTS.
UM, WHEN YOU WERE OUT AND ABOUT THIS WEEKEND, STOP BY A LEANDER RESTAURANT.
KEEP YOUR MONEY HERE BECAUSE IT KEEPS OUR ECONOMY GOING AND IT PAYS FOR ALL OF THE WONDERFUL PROJECTS LIKE THE ROADS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN TO OUR WONDERFUL VOLUNTEERS AND BOARD MEMBERS, NEW AND CONTINUING.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO THAT MAKE OUR WORLD GO ROUND.
UH, THANK YOU TO SCOUTS BSA, TROOP 1 61 WHO CAME IN TONIGHT TO SEE THEIR GOVERNMENT IN ACTION.
MOST OF THEM JUST WATCH ONLINE.
DRUG TAKEBACK DAY IS THIS SATURDAY, APRIL 22ND
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FROM 10:00 AM TO TO 2:00 PM IT'S USUALLY AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR, WE'RE CHANGING IT THIS YEAR IT'S GONNA BE AT ST.DAVID'S MEDICAL CENTER PARTICIPANTS CAN SAFELY DISPOSE OF CONTROLLED AND UNCONTROLLED SUBSTANCES OVER-THE-COUNTER MEDICATIONS, OINTMENTS, PATCHES, CREAMS, NON AERO CELL SPRAYS, VIALS AND PET MEDICATIONS, BUT NO NEEDLES OR SHARPS.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMOVE ALL OF THE NAMES AND IDENTIFYING INFORMATION AND THAT IS A SAFE AND EASY WAY TO DISPOSE OF ALL THOSE YUCKY THINGS THAT ARE EXPIRING IN YOUR MEDICINE CABINETS.
ACTIVE ADULTS ARE STAYING SUPER ACTIVE AS ALWAYS.
BESIDES ALL THE WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON AT THE LEANDER ACTIVITY CENTER, EVERY WEEK IN MAY, THEY WILL BE TAKING TRIPS FOR A HAPPY HOUR IN BERTRAM, THE ANTIQUE ROSE EMPORIUM AND CHAPEL HILL, LAVENDER FARM, AND THE ROUND ROCK HONEY FACTORY, WHICH ALL SOUND FABULOUS.
UM, AND THEN PARKS ALSO HAS A REALLY COOL NEW PROGRAM THAT THEY WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW ABOUT.
ON SATURDAY, APRIL 29TH FROM 10:00 AM TO NOON AT THE LANDER ACTIVITY CENTER, ALL AGES ARE INVITED TO THE FAMILY BLASTER BATTLE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE NERF GUNS PROVIDED.
WE CAN'T SAY THAT IN OUR ADVERTISING, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE EVERYBODY WITH NERF GUNS AND PLENTY OF AMMO.
AND KIDS, YOU CAN BLAST YOUR PARENTS ALL DAY AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE AND YOU'RE TIRED, PIZZA IS PROVIDED.
SO THAT'S A FUN WAY TO GET INDOORS WITH OTHER FAMILIES.
KITE FEST IS, UH, THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY, I THINK MAY 6TH FROM 11 TO FOUR AT DIVINE LAKE.
FOR BOTH OF THOSE TO, UH, GET INFORMATION TO REGISTER FOR THE FAMILY GLOUCESTER BATTLE, GO TO LEANDER TX.GOV/FUN.
AND, UM, SPEAKING OF PARKS, BECAUSE WE LOVE THEM, WE JUST WANNA WISH LEAH A VERY HAPPY WEDDING DAY TODAY AND HOPE THAT SHE IS HAVING A GREAT TIME AND HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO COUNCIL MEMBER MATT GLORIA.
[31. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to: (1) Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct, and Section 551.072, Texas Government Code, to deliberate with legal counsel regarding the Lease Agreement between City of Leander and Ride or Die, LLC; and (2) Section 551.072, Texas Government Code, to deliberate the acquisition of property located in Elijah D. Harmon Survey Abstract 6 for the purpose of a temporary construction easement for downtown fire improvements (CIP W.22). Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding: (1) Lease Agreement between City of Leander and Ride or Die, LLC; and (2) Acquisition of property for a temporary construction easement for downtown fire improvements (CIP W.22).]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER 31, CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TWO ONE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 1.05, TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT IN SECTION 5 51 0.072 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY OF LEANDER AND RYDER DIE, LLC.AND TWO SECTION 5 51 0.072 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY LOCATED IN ELIJAH DE HARMON.
SURVEY ABSTRACT SIX FOR THE PURPOSE OF A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR DOWNTOWN FIRE IMPROVEMENTS CIP P W 22.
ALL RIGHT, THIS WE ARE RECONVENING BACK INTO OPEN SESSION AT 9:37 PM TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING NUMBER ONE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY OF LEANDER, ANDRY, OR DIE LLC.
MAYOR PROTE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO TERMINATE A LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LEANDER AND RIDE OR DIE LLC AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASS UNANIMOUSLY.
AND NUMBER TWO, ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY FOR A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR DOWNTOWN FIRE IMPROVEMENTS CIP P W DOT 22 MAYOR PRO TEM, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY LOCATED IN ELIJAH D HARMON? SURVEY ABSTRACT SIX FOR THE PURPOSE OF A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR DOWNTOWN FIRE IMPROVEMENT, C I P W POINT 22 AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SECOND MOTION, AND SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASS UNANIMOUSLY.
COUNSEL IS ADJOURNED AT 9:37 PM GOODNIGHT.