Jul 06, 2023 City Council Regular Meeting

UM, HOPEFULLY THIS IS OUR LAST SIGN ORDINANCE UPDATE AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE AN ADOPTION IN AUGUST.

I HEARD THE APPLAUSE.

UM, SO , AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON MAKING, UM, UPDATES TO REMOVE OUTDATED PROVISIONS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS AND I'VE CONTACTED A TON OF CITIES AND HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SIGNS AND THEIR FAVORITE PARTS AND LEAST FAVORITE PARTS.

UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY ON POLITICAL SIGN ORDINANCE UPDATES.

SO AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, Y'ALL HAD ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT INSTANCES WHERE THE SIGN ORDINANCE DIDN'T WORK AND WE HAD TO MAKE CHANGES.

SO THIS IS, UM, WHEN WE WOULD ADOPT A, A POD THAT WOULD HAVE STANDARDS OR A MASTER SIGN PLAN OR A VARIANCE.

SO ONE OF THE GOALS IN THIS UPDATE IS TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT SUPPORTS THE THINGS THAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE ADOPTING IN THESE DIFFERENT, UM, METHODS.

SO MASTER SIGN PLANS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE, SO CLEARLY WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLAN, SO IT SHOULD BE AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT TO ALLOW IT.

SO WE EVALUATED, UM, THE DIFFERENT PODS.

UM, THE MAJOR ONE WE SAW WAS THE HONDA PROJECT.

UM, THAT ONE WE DID AN INCREASE TO THE PYLON SIGNS.

SO PYLONS ARE ALLOWED ON 180 3 A AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY LIMITED TO 25 FEET.

BUT FOR HONDA, THE COUNCIL APPROVED 40 FEET.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING OURS TO ALLOW 40 FOOT SIGNS, UM, FOR PYLON SIGNS.

THAT'S, UM, CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITIES.

UM, LIKE ROUND ROCK, CEDAR PARK ACTUALLY HAS A LOWER, UM, SIGN HEIGHT AND THEY DON'T ALLOW PYLONS, THEY ONLY ALLOW MONUMENTS.

UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING CUZ WHEN YOU GO TO THE H E B CENTER, YOU SEE THAT GIANT SIGN.

SO I ASKED, UM, HOW'D YOU DO THAT? WELL, WHEN THEY BUILT IT, IT WAS A GOVERNMENT SIGN.

IT WAS OWNED BY CEDAR PARK, SO NO HELMED.

IT'S PRETTY COOL.

UM, ANYWAY, SO SOLVED THAT MYSTERY.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE CUZ WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE POD.

UM, ANOTHER THING WE SEE A LOT OF IS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS.

UM, HAVING ADDITIONAL SIGNS AND MATERIALS.

SO IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHEN YOU DO A MONUMENT SIGN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, UM, MASONRY SURROUND.

SO IT'S EITHER YOU HAVE A, A STONE OR YOU HAVE KIND OF A BRICK LEDGE THAT GOES AROUND YOUR SIGN AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FACE OF THE SIGN.

SO WE SEE A LOT OF, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SIGNS THAT DO ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT LOOK REALLY NICE AND STAFF'S COMFORTABLE WITH THEM.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, UM, THIS RIGHT HERE IS LIKE A, A CORE TIN THAT, UM, TURNS THAT ORANGEY COLOR AND WEATHER.

IT'S NOT MASONRY SO IT WOULDN'T MEET OUR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S A NICE SIGN AND IT'S A DURABLE MATERIAL.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE APPROVED WITH, UM, MASTER SIGN PLANS AND PODS.

UM, SAME THING WITH, UH, THE CRYSTAL SPRINGS.

SEE HOW YOU HAVE THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE THAT'S, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A PLASTIC, BUT IT'S NOT MASONRY.

SO THAT DOESN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE.

SAME THING WITH THIS ONE.

THERE'S NO SURROUND AROUND THE SIGNED FACE, BUT AS UM, THE TECHNOLOGY'S ADVANCED, WE'RE FINDING THAT IT'S OKAY.

SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE ORDINANCE.

SO IT'S GONNA BE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'LL ALLOW IT.

CORRECT.

SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE OKAY.

SO THIS WAY YOU DON'T HAVE THAT EXTRA STEP OF PRESENTING A PLAN TO STAFF WAITING FOR REVIEW, GOING BACK AND FORTH.

SO IT'D BE A PERMITTED USE.

BUT THIS IS, THESE ARE PROBABLY, WE, WE PROBABLY HAD 20 MASTER SIGN PLANS THAT WE'VE DONE.

ARE YOU SAYING THESE WERE WERE APPROVED OR CORRECT? WERE JUST REQUESTED THEY WERE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH A MASTER SIGN PLAN, BUT THEY WENT THROUGH EXTRA STEPS.

SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID OKAY.

AND IT, IT, IT WORKED AND THEY STILL LOOK.

UM, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF COMMERCIAL SIGNS THAT, UM, DON'T HAVE MASONRY SURROUNDS.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE DATED PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE CUZ THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID THE CABINETS WHEN YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT LIGHTED BOX JUST SITTING THERE AND THEY'RE KIND OF UGLY.

SO YOU HAVE THIS SURROUND TO KIND OF COVER THE EDGES.

BUT THESE ARE, UM, OPTIONS THAT, UM, I FOUND ONLINE THAT DON'T LOOK BAD, BUT THEY DON'T MEET THE ORDINANCE.

BUT I THINK WE WOULD SUPPORT THEM.

UM, SO THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING IS, UM, THE HALO LIT CHANNEL LETTERS, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, IS JUST A NEWER TECHNOLOGY.

UM, THE LIGHT DOESN'T SHINE OUT.

UM, AND THE FLAGS THAT HAVE THE, THE NAME, UM, OF LIKE THE, THE BUILDER AND THEN, UM,

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MODEL HOME SIGNAGE.

SO WE DO MASTER SIGN PLANS AND PUTS THAT, ALLOW THOSE.

SO WE'RE ADDING THAT.

UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HEARD FROM, UM, THE COMMUNITY WAS A MONUMENT SIGN'S REALLY EXPENSIVE.

SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, ALLOWING A POST PANEL SIGN FOR SMALLER PROJECTS.

UM, WE FOUND THIS, UH, WITH THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK.

UM, IT'S A MORE AFFORDABLE SIGN TYPE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SEE ON A SMALLER BUSINESS, UM, WHERE IT'S NOT PART OF A, A MASTER PLANNED, UM, CENTER.

SO WE WERE GONNA ADD THIS TYPE OF SIGN TO THE ORDINANCE.

COULD THAT BE, UH, INCORPORATED WITH LIKE NONPROFITS AS WELL? SURE.

AND WE WEREN'T GONNA LIMIT IT BY THE, THE USE OF THE, THE PROPERTY, BUT JUST KINDA IT'S A MORE AFFORDABLE OPTION.

SO YOU COULD STILL HAVE A WALL SIGN, BUT THIS WOULD BE IN LIEU OF A MONUMENT SIGN.

AND THEN WE HAD, UM, A BIG DISCUSSION WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO WE CAME UP WITH A EVENT SIGN PACKAGE AND THIS WOULD BE TREATED SIMILAR TO THE BANNER SIGN THAT WE DO TODAY.

BUT YOU WOULD SUBMIT, UM, A PACKAGE.

SO I'M HAVING A GRAND OPENING OF MY BUSINESS.

I WANT SUPER FLAGS, BANNERS, HUMANS DANCING WITH SIGNS, UM, ALL THE FUN THINGS.

SO YOU WOULD SUBMIT THIS PACKAGE, IT WOULD BE A ONE PERMIT SUBMITTAL AND WE WOULD APPROVE IT FOR TWO WEEKS, FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO HELP THEM CELEBRATE SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED, A GRAND OPENING OR UM, A SALE.

ALL OF THOSE FUN THINGS.

QUICK QUESTION, WHAT IS THE THINKING BEHIND MAKING THAT TEMPORARY? WHY COULDN'T SOMEBODY HAVE LIKE HUMAN SIGNS EVERY WEEKEND OR SO? UM, HUMAN SIGNS HAVE BEEN SEEN AS, UM, AN ISSUE WITH SAFETY CUZ YOU HAVE 'EM CLOSE TO STREETS AND IF WE DID AN EVENT PACKAGE, YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE THE SIGN'S GONNA BE.

THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

IT'S EASIER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO KNOW THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

SAME WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, WE WOULD SEE A LOT OF RISK WITH HAVING THEM JUST ANYTIME EVERYWHERE.

AND THE SWOOPER FLAGS, UM, SWER FLAGS DON'T AGE WELL.

SO YOU SEE A LOT OF, UM, DEGRADED ONES WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE AFRAID AND THEY'RE UGLY.

UM, YOU SEE FIELDS OF THEM WHERE THEY PUT LIKE 20 SUPER FLAGS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT THE IDEA WAS IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL EVENT, UM, WHERE YOU WOULD NEED THE SUPER FLAG TO GET ATTENTION.

OR YOU COULD DO SUPER FLAGS AND JUST WRITE IT IN THAT IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN LIMIT OF HOW MANY FLAGS AND, UM, AND THAT THEY COULDN'T BE DEGRADED.

THAT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE BECAUSE YOU WOULD DEBATE WHAT IS DEGRADED.

AND IT'S KIND OF, UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND YOU GET USED TO SEEING A SUPER FLAG ALL THE TIME, IT'S NOT SPECIAL AND EXCITING ANYMORE.

SO THE SUPER FLAGS MEANT TO ATTRACT ATTENTION.

AND THIS WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE APPLYING FOR ONE PERMIT FOR THE EVENT.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INDIVIDUAL SIGNED PERMITS FOR EVERY SINGLE SIGN TYPE.

IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIGN PACKAGE? IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE BANNER SIGNS.

WHAT IS THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I COULD GET THAT INFORMATION.

AND SO HOW DID DID THIS COME UP BY? I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE WERE SOME KIND OF CONVERSATIONS WITH CHAMBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS FAR AS TALKING ABOUT WITH LOCAL, UM, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND EVERYTHING TOO.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DID THIS GET TALKED ABOUT WITH THEM TOO AND HOW, HOW THAT, HOW IT, HOW IT WOULD HELP 'EM THE PACKAGE? NOT YET.

UM, BUT THEY HAVE THE REQUEST FOR THE SUPER FLAGS FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS.

UM, SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD MEET THE NEED.

UM, I STILL NEED TO TALK TO THE CHAMBER.

THEY'VE BEEN ON A CRUISE .

SO THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAD, UM, FOR RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, OUR CURRENT GOAL IS TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST P AND Z MEETING IN AUGUST AND THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IN AUGUST.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION OTHER THAN THIS ONE, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS FOR AREAS OF TOWN WHERE CERTAIN SIGNS ARE STILL NOT, UM, YOU CAN'T PUT CERTAIN SIGNS IN CERTAIN AREAS OR IS THE ORDINANCE JUST ALL ENCOMPASSING FOR ALL THE CITY? IT'S NOT, UM, AREA SPECIFIC, BUT, UM, NORTHLINE LIKE AS PART OF THEIR ZONING, THEY HAD A MASTER SIGN PLAN.

SO THEY HAVE A SIGN PACKAGE THAT'S KIND OF THEMED.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? OR LIKE OLD TOWN OR ANY OTHER, OTHER RESTRICTIONS? UM, OLD TOWN HAS A SMART CODE SIGN ORDINANCE.

UM, AND IT DOES HAVE UH, KIND OF THE LOWER SMALLER SCALE SIGNS CUZ YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING PYLONS IN OLD TOWN.

UM, BUT IT HAS A SIMILAR MASTER SIGN PLAN PROGRAM.

SO IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, WOULD THOSE BE PERMITTED IN NO HOTEL? YES.

WE STILL HAVE TWO OPTIONS.

IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE WE GOT THE IDEA.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A SIGN, I GUESS, UH, NOT KNOWING HOW THE ORDINANCE IS GONNA BE WORDED.

HOW, WHAT IF SOMETHING DOESN'T FIT IN THE CONFINES? HOW, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR SOMEBODY TO IS THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

WE,

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SO IF UM, THEY'RE STILL DOING SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, VERY UNIQUE, THEY COULD EITHER GET A VARIANCE IF IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE OR DO A MASTER SIGN PLAN AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH BEING, THERE'S NO CHARGE FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN VARIANCE THERE IS A CHARGE CUZ IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? UM, I COULD FIND OUT.

YEAH, I GUESS WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M TRYING TO COME FROM IS TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANGLES, BUT ONE EFFICIENCY FOR STAFF.

UM, TWO FOR UM, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE MY MIND GOES TO THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, RIGHT.

AND BEING, AND I HAVE PAID FOR A MONUMENT SIGN MM-HMM.

AND IT IS NOT INEXPENSIVE.

UM, AND IT WAS WITH A DIFFERENT CITY AND IT WAS STILL A PAIN.

SO THERE'S THAT.

UM, BUT OF I GUESS BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY AND IF THERE'S QUESTIONS AND FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE EASY TO READ AND EASY TO DECIPHER FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME THAT IS TRYING TO PUT UP A SIGN OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE HAVE THE PROCESS VERY ELEMENTARY .

UM, AND THEN, UM, I GUESS APPEAL'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT JUST AN EASY PROCESS FOR SOMETHING TO GO THROUGH AND IT'S, AND THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THINGS OF LIKE, WELL IT DOESN'T FIT IN THIS LITTLE BOX.

SO IT'S A NO.

UM, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS, WHAT ARE THE THINGS, AND LOOKING AT IT MORE THAN KNOWS THE EXCEPTION THAN THE ANSWER I GUESS.

YEAH, NO, I AGREE.

UM, WE ARE KEEPING THE MASTER SIGN PROGRAM AND, AND STAFF REALLY DOES DEPEND ON THAT A LOT FOR WHERE WE SEE A SIGN THAT LOOKS APPROPRIATE, SEEMS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT DOESN'T FIT.

SO IT GIVES US AN ADMINISTRATIVE CURE.

UM, USUALLY THE VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS IS WHEN THEY WANT LIKE A SIGN TYPE THAT'S NOT APPROVABLE IN THE AREA.

LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO PILE ON AN OLD TOWN, IT'S USUALLY PRETTY EXTREME.

UM, WE DID DO A VARIANCE PROCESS FOR UM, MOX IT TO YOU ON 180 3 CUZ THEY NEEDED RELIEF FROM THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.

IT WAS ONE STAFF SUPPORTED THAT WENT THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS.

UM, AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALSO ADDRESSING AS THE HEIGHT OF SIGNS, UM, ALONG ARTERIAL ROADWAYS.

SO WE'RE SOLVING THAT ONE AS WELL.

WHEN DO YOU THINK WE CAN SEE A DRAFT? UM, SO THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE DRAFT ONLINE FOR THE P Z MEETING.

SO THAT'D BE THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST FOR P N Z.

BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE THE DRAFT AND BE ABLE TO GIVE ANY INPUT BEFORE IT GOES TO P N Z? WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO.

UM, MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE TO PUBLISH A NOTICE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR P N Z MM-HMM.

AND ON THE DATE OF THE PUBLICATION OF THE NOTICE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ORDINANCE AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW BY THE PUBLIC MM-HMM.

SO WE COULD GET IT TO Y'ALL, UM, AT THAT TIME, WHICH IS USUALLY, UM, LIKE THREE WEEKS OUT.

BUT THE ISSUE IS IF YOU MAKE CHANGES WE'D HAVE TO DO IT AT THE MEETING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.

LIKE IF THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SORT OF ASKING ABOUT IS IF WE HAD A DRAFT OF IT NOW, WE COULD GIVE THAT INPUT BEFORE IT GETS PUBLISHED.

UM, AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO THROUGH EMAIL IF WE WANNA JUST REVIEW IT.

UM, AND GET THAT BACK TO YOU BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH IT BEFORE THERE'S ANY, IT MIGHT BE FOR CHANGING IT, BUT WE CAN YOU CAN DO IT.

NO, IT'S OKAY.

UM, I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO SEE, AND I'M SORRY TO ADD THIS ON, BUT TO SEE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF SIGNS THAT WOULD STILL BE ILLEGAL SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT IN OUR CITY LIMITS, BUT IF YOU CAN THINK OF THINGS, THE HEB CENTER SIGN WOULD NOT WORK STILL CUZ IT'S LIKE 80 FEET TALL.

CAUSE IT'S TOO TALL.

AND IT'S GOT A GIANT, UH, FLASHING, UH, MARQUEE ON IT.

BUT WE CAN TRY TO THINK ABOUT THAT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT.

IF THE, IF SOMETHING, UH, PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE WERE TO COME TO THE CITY, THEY'D BE DOING A PUD AND YOU COULD APPROVE A SPECIAL SIGN PACKAGE WITH THE PUD.

WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO, I THINK THE, THE GOAL THAT WHAT THE MAYOR'S TRYING TO GET TO AS WELL IS LIKE THIS IS WE'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA REVISIT THIS ANY OF THIS STUFF EITHER.

SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE GET IT ALL RIGHT.

MM-HMM.

TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WHATEVER'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THOSE THINGS.

AND SO EVEN LIKE FINDING OUT, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT POLICE AND PROBABLY FIRE, NOBODY LIKES HUMAN SIGNS OUT THERE TOO, BUT HAVE, HAVE THERE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ISSUES AND IN OUR CITY OR IN OTHER CITIES WHERE, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN TRAFFIC PROBLEMS OR SAFETY PROBLEMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO? DO WE KNOW THAT? OR WE JUST THINK THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE IT.

WE GOT, UM, CONFIRMATION FROM CEDAR PARK.

THEY HAD AN ISSUE.

THEY DID HAVE, YEAH.

SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT PUSHES THEM OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE REASON THEY DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

AND WE'RE LEARNING FROM WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TAKING INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITIES, WE'RE LEARNING FROM SOME OF THEIR STUFF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

THING, I THINK RICK'S GOT ONE TOO.

I DON'T WANNA BE COVERED IN HUMAN SIGNS AND, AND THE SWOOPER FLAGS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHAT I REALLY WANT MORE IS FOR PEOPLE TO COME SEE OUR BUSINESSES AND GO SHOP AT THEM.

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UM, MY BIGGEST THING IS JUST MAKING SURE, SINCE WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO OUR BEST TO COME TOGETHER AND, AND GET IT KNOCKED OUT EVEN IF IT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK SEEING IT NOW, IF IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO CHANGE ANYTHING, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T AGREEABLE, I'D RATHER KNOW THAT UPFRONT AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

SO, LIKE ON THE SWOOPER FLAGS, OF COURSE, I THINK WHEN I, YOU GO PAST BLOCK HOUSE WHEN THEY HAVE FIREWORKS OUT, THOSE TYPE OF AREAS ARE THE ONES USUALLY FOR A TEMPORARY USE.

SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE 'EM FOR GRAND OPENINGS IN SOME PLACES.

AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT YOU COULD LIMIT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SAYS STATEMENT PACKAGE.

JUST BE LIKE THAT, THAT, AND IT'S OUT IN TERMS OF THE HUMAN SIGNS AND THE SPINNING SIGNS.

I'VE BEEN MULTIPLE PLACES WHERE THAT WAS AN ISSUE WHERE YES.

CAUSING ACCIDENTS.

CAUSING NEAR ACCIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, YOU ADD SPEED TRAFFIC AND SOMETHING THAT'S MOVING CUZ IN THE HOUSTON AREA, COUPLE DIFFERENT CITIES WHERE THEY'D BE SPINNING THE SIGNS AND YOU GET SOMEONE WHO'S ELDERLY, YOU THROW THAT ALL IN.

IT STARTLES PEOPLE.

AND SO I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT CUZ EVERY PLACE I'VE SEEN IT EVENTUALLY HAD TO CRACK DOWN ON IT WHERE IT PROLIFERATED AND KIND OF GOT OUTTA CONTROL FROM JUST HOLDING A SIGN TO THEN SPINNING THEM AND CRE AND DANCING AND CREATING A DISTRACTION.

AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THEY'RE EXCITING TO WATCH THOUGH.

WELL WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING IS THAT PRETTY TALENTED THAT THAT COULD BE ALLOWED BUT ONLY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

MM-HMM.

AND WE'LL KNOW WHERE THE CERTAIN AREA IS SO RIGHT.

SO WE'D HAVE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO COMMUNICATE, HEY, THIS IS YOUR BOUNDARY.

DON'T GO ON THE SIDEWALK.

THAT'S WHERE THE RIGHT OF FIRE.

WELL WE COULD TELL DRIVERS NOT TO LOOK AT THE SIGNS UNLESS THEY'RE HAPPY.

WE COULD PUT A SIGN UP SAYING DON'T LOOK AT THE SIGN.

WHATEVER THEY'RE, THAT'S YEAH.

UNLESS YOU REALLY WANNA YEAH.

ROBIN, THE QUESTION AT POINT, UNLESS THE RED LIGHT'S ON.

SO WHEN WE MAKE THESE UPDATES, I'M SURE THERE'S, THERE'S SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY THAT DON'T FALL IN THE CURRENT BUT WOULD FALL IN THE NEW, THEY DON'T FALL IN THE CURRENT, BUT WELL THAT THEY, LIKE, WE CONSIDER THEM TO BE LIKE NONCONFORMING, NONCONFORMING SIGNS.

NOW ARE THERE, I GUESS WE'RE, HOW DO I HAVE TO PHRASE THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF ANY THAT CURRENTLY, AND THERE'S SOME LIKE REALLY OLD SIGNS, BUT THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T RIGHT.

UNTIL THEY CHANGE OWNERSHIP OR WHATEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO UNTIL THEY TAKE, RUN THEIR SIGN.

THEY COULD ACTUALLY REFACE THEM WITH THE NEW OWNER.

I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, AND NOT VERY EFFECTIVELY IS IF, IF THERE ARE CURRENT PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T MEET THE ORDINANCE THAT UNDERNEATH THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD FALL INTO IT MM-HMM.

OR WE'RE JUST GONNA GRANDFATHER THOSE PEOPLE IN.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY.

BUT WOULD WE IF THAT DID HAPPEN, YES.

LIKE IF THEY, IF THEY BILLED A SIGN, DIDN'T GET A PERMIT, WE FOUND OUT THEY'RE GETTING A PERMIT AND THEN THEN THEY FIND OUT IT DOESN'T MATCH THE ORDINANCE, IT MATCHES THE NEW ONE, IT WOULD WORK.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE ACTUALLY YES.

WE'RE ACTUALLY BECOMING LESS RESTRICTED.

CORRECT.

I THINK THIS IS EXPANDING.

AND, AND I GUESS THEN PART OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK AND, AND I'M EVEN, OKAY, I MEAN I KNOW THE MAYOR'S ASKED FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT FORWARD, BUT EVEN ON THE DAY IT'S POSTED FOR P AND Z I DON'T MIND PROVIDING COMMENTS AT THAT POINT.

UM, BUT PART OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S JUST PART OF THE, THE BACKING IS WHAT ARE ALL THE POTENTIAL FEES OR THAT A BUSINESS OWNER, REGARDLESS OF SIZE, WHAT THEY COULD BE CHARGED AND WHAT THE, UM, PROCESS IS, IF THEY, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID JUST A SECOND AGO, IF THEY DON'T FALL INTO THE NEW ORDINANCE MM-HMM.

, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS AND THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH GOING THROUGH AN APPEAL PROCESS, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD OR THE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? KIND OF.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FEES TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT A SIGNED PERMIT APPLICATION AND THEN THE FEES TO REQUESTED VARIANCE.

YES.

AND THEN IF, AND IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT APPROVED, THEN IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS THAT THE BUSINESS OWNER CAN GO THROUGH AT THAT POINT? AND WHAT IS THE FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO ASK, UM, WITH THE MASTER SIGN PERMIT, BASICALLY, UM, IS THERE EVEN A NEED FOR VARIANCE ANYMORE? WOULD THEY ALL JUST FALL UNDER THAT? THE, THE VARIANCE IS IMPORTANT IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE STAFF DOES NOT AGREE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE USE IT FOR.

AND IT, I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THERE'VE BEEN TWO SIGNS THAT HAD A VARIANCE APPLICATION.

I MEAN, HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.

KINDA THE POINT IN THE ORDINANCE IS TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SO WE SEE LESS OF THAT.

YES.

UM, AND WE FIND IN THEIR FAVOR, I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULDN'T BE A COST FOR THAT.

I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED IN THE, THE FEES.

UM, I MEAN IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE,

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AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS JUST TO SEE WHAT, WHAT IS IN PLAY NOW OR WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT WE DO.

AND SO THAT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HASH THAT OUT.

SO WITH FEES, UM, THAT'S A SEPARATE FEE SCHEDULE ORDINANCE WE WOULD LOOK AT IF WE WANNA MAKE CHANGES TO THAT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING FORWARD, UM, KIND OF CLOSER TO BUDGET TIME CUZ WE'RE REEVALUATING OUR FEES IN COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES.

SO WE COULD LOOK AT IT DURING THIS DISCUSSION AND MAKE CHANGES IF THAT'S WHERE Y'ALL ARE AT.

BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT SEPARATE ORDINANCE.

I THINK THERE'S LESS CONCERN THAN THERE, THAN THERE WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE IF WE ARE BEING MORE ACCOMMODATING OPENING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND THERE'S ONLY BEEN THAT MANY CASES ALREADY.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, BUT WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO, ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION, GET TOGETHER WITH THE DEVELOPER AND MAKE IT WORK.

AWESOME.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS.

ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? OKAY.

WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE DRAFT.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 6TH, 2023.

UM, WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6:20 PM PLEASE BE BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.

GOOD

[4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]

EVENING.

AND THE TIME IS 7:00 PM AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL.

WE HAVE VICTORIA CHATTERY OF BA BAHAI COMMUNITY OF LEANDER.

WE'LL BE PROVIDING OUR INVOCATION TONIGHT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION, PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE.

I'D LIKE TO SAY A PRAYER THAT WAS REVEALED FOR AMERICA IN THIS WEEK OF JULY 4TH.

OH, THOU KIND LORD, THIS GATHERING IS TURNING TO THEE.

THESE HEARTS ARE RADIANT WITH THY LOVE.

THESE MINDS AND SPIRITS ARE EXHILARATED WITH THE MESSAGE OF THY CLAD, GLAD TIDINGS.

OH GOD.

LET THIS AMERICAN DEMOCRACY BECOME GLORIOUS IN SPIRITUAL DEGREES, EVEN AS IT HAS ASPIRED TO MATERIAL DEGREES AND RENDER THIS JUST GOVERNMENT VICTORIOUS, CONFIRM THIS REVERED NATION TO UP RAISE THE STANDARD OF THE ONENESS OF HUMANITY TO PROMULGATE THE MOST GREAT PEACE TO BECOME THEREBY MOST GLORIOUS AND PRAISEWORTHY AMONG ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD.

OH GOD, THIS AMERICAN NATION IS WORTHY OF THY FAVORS AND IS DESERVING OF THY MERCY.

MAKE IT PRECIOUS AND NEAR TO THEE THROUGH THY BOUNTY AND BESTOW AMEN.

ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR HIM.

HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD.

THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

WE APPRECIATE YOU.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CATHERINE BATTALION PARKER.

HERE, MAYOR PROTI ASMI MACKEY LONGORIA.

HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER NICOLE THOMPSON.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS SURNET.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BECKY ROSS.

HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE DELA.

HERE QUORUM IS PRESENT.

CITY COUNCIL IS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS.

ITEM NUMBER SIX

[6. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda. Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council. [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.]]

IS NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD.

ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ANYTIME YOU'RE MAKING COMMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL, IT IS A TIME FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO US.

WE CANNOT HAVE ANY BACK AND FORTH THAT IS CONSIDERED DELIBERATION BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.

UH, UP FIRST I HAVE JAMES DEAN.

GOOD EVENING, MR. DEAN, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

SEE THAT THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED FOR THE SECOND YEAR THE, UH, PRIOR PROCLAMATION.

MY NAME IS JAMES DEAN.

I LIVE AT 25 13 COSTA DEL SOUL IN LEANDER, TEXAS IN THE WONDERFUL AREA OF CRYSTAL HALLS.

UM, I WAS HAPPY TO

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UM, I I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD STEP FORWARD.

I WAS DISAPPOINTED.

UM, FRANKLY, DISGUSTED TO SEE THREE OF YOU LEAVE THE ROOM.

YOU HAD HEARD STORIES THAT DAY FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE RELATED TO AKIRA ROSS, WHO WAS HATE CRIME, MURDERED JUST A LITTLE WAY DOWN THE STREET.

YOU HEARD STORIES THAT NIGHT FROM A MOTHER WHO BROUGHT ONE OF HER CHILD CHILDREN WITH HER TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF HER SON WHO, BECAUSE HE WAS BULLIED FOR COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET, COMMITTED SUICIDE.

YOU HEARD THOSE STORIES AND THEN YOU LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND YOU LEFT THE ROOM.

THAT WAS DISGUSTING.

IF YOU CANNOT SERVE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF LEANDER, THEN YOU SHOULD RESIGN.

AND YOU SHOULD NOT SEEK PUBLIC OFFICE WHEN YOU'RE IN PUBLIC OFFICE.

YOU'RE HERE TO SERVE ALL OF THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE YOU LIKE.

I ALSO WANNA SAY, BECAUSE I SAW AN EMAIL, I, UM, I'M FORTUNATE GOD BROUGHT FRED SMITH INTO MY LIFE.

WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER FOR 13 YEARS.

WHEN I EXPRESS MY LOVE TO FRED, THAT IS NOT A SIN.

MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, SINCE HE'S GOT STAGE FOUR CANCER, MY LOVE FOR HIM IS HELPING HIM WITH HIS MEDICAL TREATMENTS, GIVING HIM A LYMPHEDEMA MASSAGE OR WHATEVER ELSE.

THAT'S NOT A SIN.

I'M GAY AND I'M PROUD OF IT.

AND WE PAY TAXES TO LEANDER.

WE VOTE IN LEANDER.

WE HELP OUR COMMUNITY.

WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, WE VOLUNTEER, WE DONATE TO CAMPAIGNS THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO BETTER.

BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN.

I'VE GOT BOOKS RIGHT HERE THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY.

THE WORD HOMOSEXUAL DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR IN THE CURRENT TRANSLATIONS UNTIL 1945 OR 1950.

AND JEWISH SCHOLARS WILL TELL YOU THAT TRANS TRANSGENDERISM HAS BEEN IN THE BIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE 4,000 YEARS THAT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE HAVE EXISTED AND THEY HAD EIGHT GENDERS BACK IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

LET'S LOVE EACH OTHER.

THAT'S THE GOLDEN RULE FOR ALL OF OUR MAJOR RELIGIONS.

LET'S LEARN TO LOVE EACH OTHER.

IN THIS SITUATION? AND I THINK JESUS WOULD GO TO PRIDE.

THANK YOU, MR. DEAN.

JOEL, KU, GOOD EVENING.

PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HI, MY NAME IS JOEL.

I'M A CITIZEN OF LEANDER.

I'M AN ALLY TO THE L G B T Q COMMUNITY.

AND I WOULD, AND I ALSO VOTE, I WAS PROUD THAT THE CITY OF LEANDER HAD THE PRIDE PROCLAMATION TWO WEEKS AGO.

AND THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT FOR, UM, FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CHURCH.

I WAS SURPRISED IT WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEETING WITH HOW MUCH RELIGION WAS BROUGHT INTO THE MEETING AS WELL.

BUT BESIDES THAT, I AM A MAN OF FAITH.

AND AS A UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST, I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE INHERENT WORTH AND DIGNITY OF EVERY PERSON.

IF THAT MAKES ME WOKE, SO BE IT.

I CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT.

YOU KNOW, JESUS WAS ASKED WHAT WAS THE TOP COMMANDMENT? AND THE FIRST COMMANDMENT WAS LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART.

AND THE SECOND WAS LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU WOULD YOURSELF.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I LIVE BY, IS LOVING EACH OTHER AND LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR.

AND IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD STAND BEHIND EVERYBODY WHO WAS UP FOR, UH, PRIDE AS WELL.

I SAW A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR PRIDE FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I SAW A LOT OF HATE TOO.

A LOT OF, UH, SHEEP, OR SORRY, A LOT OF WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING AND A LOT OF JUDGMENT.

YOU KNOW, JESUS DIDN'T AGREE WITH JUDGING OTHERS.

THEY SAID, HE SAID THAT, UM, JUDGE OTHERS AS YOU WOULD JUDGE YOURSELF.

AND I, I, I TRULY BELIEVE, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD JESUS ACTUALLY DO

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HE, AGAIN, THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO ELOQUENTLY SAID THAT JESUS HUNG OUT WITH THE FREAKS.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, UH, THE LGBTQ Q COMMUNITY ARE, ARE THE FREAKS.

I I THINK THAT THAT'S AN OVEREXAGGERATION.

BUT I THINK TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE MARGINALIZED THAT COMMUNITY TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BEING BULLIED.

AND I THINK JESUS STANDS UP FOR THE BULLIES OR STANDS UP FOR THOSE THAT ARE BULLIED.

AND I DO AGREE WITH JAMES ON THIS, IS THAT AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU NEED TO STAND UP FOR THOSE THAT ARE MARGINALIZED AS WELL.

AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, JESUS SAW THE GOOD IN EVERYBODY.

AND I WISH THAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY SAW THE GOOD IN EVERYBODY AS WELL.

THERE WAS ONE SPEAKER LAST NIGHT, THEY EVEN TALKED ABOUT DEATH TO THE, TO MEMBERS OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

AND STILL I DIDN'T, I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO SEE THE, THE SUPPORT FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL AND OUR CITY GOVERNMENT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MR. KU.

[7. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors. Proclamation Recognizing Leander's Indigenous Roots]

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RECOGNITION, RECOGNITION, PROCLAMATIONS AND VISITORS.

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING LEANDER INDIGENOUS ROOTS, WHEREAS THE AREA WE NOW KNOW AS LEANDER HAS DEEP INDIGENOUS ROOTS AND WAS HOME TO SEVERAL NATIVE AMERICAN NATIONS BEFORE EUROPEAN SETTLEMENT.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF LEANDER ACKNOWLEDGES OUR CITY'S HISTORY OF INDIGENOUS CULTURES AND NATIVE AMERICANS WHO SETTLED IN THE AREA.

AND WHEREAS IN DECEMBER, 1982, THE 10,000 TO 13,000 YEAR OLD REMAINS OF A PALEO INDIAN FEMALE WERE DISCOVERED IN THE LEANDER CEDAR PARK AREA AND UNEARTHED, ALTHOUGH SHE IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS LEANDER THAL LADY RESEARCHERS RECOMMEND USING THE INDIGENOUS NAME, A POT SAI PEEL, WHICH MEANS ANCIENT ONE IN THE KATH LANGUAGE.

I, JENNIFER WILL CORRECT ME ON THAT, I'M SURE .

UM, WHEREAS LEANDER LEGACY HONORING A POT SAI PEEL SYMPOSIUM WILL BE HELD ON FRIDAY, JULY 21ST AT AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE, SAN GABRIEL CAMPUS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE INDIGENOUS AND NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY OF OUR AREA.

NOW THEREFORE, I, CHRISTINE LYLE, MAYOR OF LEANDER, TEXAS TO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND HONOR LEANDRO'S INDIGENOUS ROOTS.

AND I URGE THE PEOPLE OF LEANDER TO GAIN A GREATER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT INDIGENOUS CULTURES AND THEIR IMPACT ON OUR REGION.

IT WITNESS THEREOF I HAVE HERE, AND TO SET MY HAND AND CAUSE THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF LEANDER TO BE AFFIXED ON JULY 6TH, 2023.

UM, JENNIFER, UM, I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE EVERYBODY HERE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH, WITH THIS EVENT.

UM, JENNIFER SITS ON MY MAYOR'S COMMITTEE.

EVERY MAYOR GETS THEIR OWN COMMITTEE FOR WHATEVER THEIR PROJECT IS.

MINE IS ON BEAUTIFICATION, VOLUNTEERISM AND, AND, AND EYE ON CONSERVATION.

AND JENNIFER IS IN CHARGE OF BEAUTIFICATION, AND SHE WANTED TO BEAUTIFY THE AREA AROUND THE, UH, NEANDERTHAL LADY, UM, HISTORICAL MARKER ON OLD 180 3, THE ONE THAT, UM, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT FOR YEARS THAT ALWAYS HAS TRASH CANS NEXT TO IT.

AND, UH, WE GOT INTO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND ULTIMATELY LANDED ON THE MARKER, SHOULD PROBABLY BE MOVED IN THE FUTURE.

AND, UH, JENNIFER BECAME SO PASSIONATE ABOUT, UM, LEARNING ABOUT WHO THE NEANDERTHAL LADY WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHAT A, A HORRIBLE NAME THAT IS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

AND, UM, REALLY BECAME PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND HAS PUT TOGETHER AN ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL EVENT, UH, LATER ON THIS MONTH AT ACC THAT WILL TEACH US A LITTLE BIT.

SO, JENNIFER, WITH THAT, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

UH, HOW MANY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THERE.

I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU WILL JOIN US ON FRIDAY, JULY 21ST AT THE BEAUTIFUL A C C SAN GABRIEL CAMPUS HERE IN LEANDER FOR A SPECIAL LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.

LEANDER LEGACY HONORING OP APPEAL IN ADVANCE OF THE SYMPOSIUM, ATTEND A COMMUNITY GATHERING WITH NATIVE AMERICAN FOOD STARTING AT 10:30 AM PRESENTATIONS AND PERFORMANCES START AT 12 NOON AND EXHIBITORS WILL BE SET UP THROUGHOUT THE EVENT, WHICH ENDS AT FOUR 30 THAT DAY.

EDUCATORS, CIVIL SERVANTS, STUDENTS AND SCOUTS MAY BE ABLE TO MEET CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS OR EARN POINTS TOWARD THEIR INDIAN LOWER MERIT BADGE.

CHECK IN ADVANCE WITH YOUR EMPLOYER PROFESSOR OR MERIT BADGE COUNSELOR TO GET APPROVAL IN ADVANCE.

UH, UH, YOU MAY FIND OUR EVENTBRITE ANNOUNCEMENT TO LEARN MORE AND TO REGISTER FOR THE EVENT.

THE EVENT IS FREE, BUT WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PLEASE REGISTER.

UM, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

SO WE HAVE A, A GOOD IDEA OF WHO ALL,

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AND ALSO TO ENTER THE CAMPUS, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PHOTO ID.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ROLLING RIGHT ALONG TO CONSENT.

I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.

CAN WE GET A PHOTO? OH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]

AGENDA ITEM 17 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

COUNSEL, YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEMS EIGHT THROUGH 16 AND 18 THROUGH 23.

MOTION TO APPROVE, SECOND MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY WHY I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO.

ALL

[17. Acceptance of public infrastructure improvements for Carneros Ranch Section 6.]

AND CONSENT.

ITEM 17, ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR CARNEROS RANCH.

SECTION SIX.

MOTION TO APPROVE I SECOND.

MOTION.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CERNIK, ABSENT RECUSED.

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN.

ONTO OUR PUBLIC

[24. Conduct a Public Hearing on Zoning Case Z-22-0050 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to adopt the Speaking Rock PUD (Planned Unit Development) with base zoning district of SFE-2-A (Single-Family Estate) on one parcel of land approximately 10.7563 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Travis Central Appraisal District Parcel 513825; and more commonly known as 1601 Speaking Rock, Leander, Travis County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-22-0050 as described above.]

HEARINGS.

ITEM 24, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON ZONING CASE Z 20 2050 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR ONE B, SINGLE FAMILY RURAL TO ADOPT THE SPEAKING ROCK POD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF S F E TWO, A SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 10.7563 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA.

UM, THIS IS A, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SPEAKING ROCK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES ESTABLISHING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE, UM, WHICH REQUIRES AN 80 FOOT WIDE LOT.

UM, THE REQUEST IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE WATER RESOLUTION.

UM, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THE JUNE 8TH MEETING, AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT'S ALSO HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS RALPH SHARP FROM LAGO HOMES.

I AM THE BUILDER DEVELOPER WITH THE, UH, OH, WHERE IS HE? WAS RALPH BASSETTI, WHO'S THE ENGINEER AND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

AND, UH, UH, I DON'T HAVE A QUICK, OH, NEVERMIND, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

SO, UH, UH, JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THE LAST SESSION.

UH, AND SO, AS I MENTIONED, UH, RAO, UH, IS THE, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

WE ARE THE BUILDER, AND THE INTENT, OF COURSE, IS TO COMPLY WITH THE, TO SECURE THE PUT APPROVAL.

UH, THE LOCATION, OF COURSE IS ON, UH, OSAGE, UH, ADJACENT TO, UH, TO TRIVIO DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT'S ALREADY HAS WATER, ALREADY HAS UTILITIES.

UH, IT'S, UH, LOCATED THERE IN THE LITTLE WHITE SECTION.

AND, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY, 16 LOTS.

THE 17 ONE WILL BE FOR RETENTION POND AND FOR, FOR DRAINAGE.

UH, AND, UH, THERE YOU GO.

AND THERE'S THE LAYOUT.

THERE'S THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE PLAN.

IT'S, UH, INTENDED OF COURSE TO BLEND IN AND COMPLY, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, RESTRICTIONS AND THE IN THE, IN THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE ZONING.

UM, WE'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

YOU'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z 20 2050 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.

COUNSEL, MOTION TO APPROVE.

YEAH, THIS RUNS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

I'LL SECOND MOTION AND

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SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[25. Conduct a Public Hearing on Annexation Case A-23-0008 regarding the voluntary annexation of 2.3872 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R032108; and commonly known as 800 Riva Ridge Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action on Annexation case A-23-0008 as described above.]

ITEM AM NUMBER 25.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON ANNEXATION CASE A 23 0 0 8 REGARDING THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF 2.3872 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCEL R 0 3 2 1 0 8, AND COMMONLY KNOWN AS 800 RIVA RIDGE ROAD.

LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

GRIFFIN, WELCOME BACK.

UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF 800 RIVA RIDGE.

UM, THIS ACTION DOES NOT APPROVE THE ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S JUST THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, THE NEXT MEETING WILL HAVE THE ACTUAL ACTION.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

NOBODY IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACT REGARDING ANNEXATION CASE A 20 3008 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.

COUNSEL, MOTION TO APPROVE I SECOND MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON

[26. Discuss and consider action on an Ordinance amending Article 7.02, Judge, of the Code of Ordinances by adding to the provisions for the appointment and term of the Judge, removing a provision regarding removal of the Judge, and adding qualifications for holding the office of Judge; and providing for related matters.]

TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.

ITEM 26, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE 7.02, JUDGE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY ADDING TO THE PROVISIONS FOR THE APPOINTMENT AND TERM OF THE JUDGE, REMOVING A PROVISION REGARDING REMOVAL OF THE JUDGE AND ADDING QUALIFICATIONS FOR HOLDING THE OFFICE OF JUDGE AND PROVIDING FOR RELATED MATTERS.

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE POWERS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU WOULD ACCOMPLISH TWO THINGS.

ONE IS A BIT OF, UH, LONG OVERDUE HOUSEKEEPING.

UH, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED IN 2003, UH, THAT, UM, AT THAT TIME ESTABLISHED, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, RULES ON THE APPOINTMENT OF THE JUDGE.

BUT IN 2005, THE CITY'S HOME RULE CHARTER WAS AMENDED AND THAT NEGATED, UH, PROVISIONS OF THAT ORDINANCE.

BUT, UH, THE CHARTER PREVAILS AND WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO CLEAN UP THOSE INCONSISTENCIES.

UH, THE SECOND PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO ESTABLISH QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE, UM, UH, PRESIDING JUDGE.

UH, STATE LAW ALLOWS THE HOME, THE CITIES WITH HOME RULE CHARTER TO, TO, UM, UH, ESTABLISH THEIR OWN QUALIFICATIONS.

AT THIS POINT, UH, LEANDER HAS NOT DONE SO, BUT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD, UM, ESTABLISH THE FOLLOWING QU QUALIFICATIONS FOR, UH, THE PRESIDING JUDGE.

AND THESE SUGGESTIONS ARE TAKEN FROM, UH, WHAT'S IN, UH, STATUTE REGARDING, UH, COUNTY, COUNTY JUDGES.

UH, ONE WOULD BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES AGED 25 YEARS OR OLDER, A RESIDENT OF WILLIAMSON OR TRAVIS COUNTY, OR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, OR AN ADJACENT, UH, COUNTY.

AND THIRD, A LICENSED ATTORNEY WHO HAS PRACTICED LAW OR SERVED AS A JUDGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR FOUR YEARS.

THOSE, UM, CITY MANAGER AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNSEL.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND MOTION A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

MM-HMM.

, UH, IT JUST SAYS JUDGE HERE, BUT I THINK YOU SAID PRESIDING JUDGE.

SO DOES THIS APPLY TO JUST THE PRESIDING JUDGE OR THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES? THE QUALIFICATIONS PRE PRESIDE TO THE PRESIDING JUDGE.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IT CUZ IT'S NOT LISTED HERE.

I THINK IT IS SAYS JUDGE, I THINK IN THE, SORRY.

UH, IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF, SECTION 7.0 2.005, IT'S PRESIDING JUDGE QUALIFICATIONS.

I, WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS FOR ALL THE JUDGES? WELL, THE, UM, THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES ARE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE THEIR ROLE, BUT, UH, IN THE HISTORY HERE IN LEANDER, UH, THEY FILL IN FOR THE ABSENCE OF THE JUDGE.

AND, UM, SO THEY DO NOT PUT IN AS, UM, AS MANY HOURS IN COMMITMENT AS THE PRESIDING JUDGE.

SO, UH, GIVEN THAT, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FIND, UH, AN ASSOCIATE JUDGE WHO WOULD TAKE A VERY LIMITED PART-TIME ROLE.

SO, UH, THESE QUALIFICATIONS WOULD MAKE FINDING AN ASSOCIATE JUDGES PRETTY, PRETTY DIFFICULT IN MY OPINION.

SO, UM, THAT'S THE, WE DON'T WANT TO TIE OUR HANDS OR SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE, IN THE FOOT ON THE ASSOCIATE JUDGES.

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MOTION A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

27, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE DISILLUSION OF THE LEANDRO LIBRARY FOUNDATION PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

ITEM

[27. Discuss and consider action on a Resolution of support for the dissolution of the Leander Library Foundation.]

TIMMINS, I HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE.

GOOD EVENING, MR. TIMMINS.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL.

UM, AND OF COURSE, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF NEW MIGHT, UH, HAVE SOME IN INSIGHT AS WELL.

BUT JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU MORE OF A, MORE OF JUST HOUSEKEEPING, UH, WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

THE, UH, FOUNDATION HAS, UM, GONE THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.

THEY ARE, UM, DISSOLVING ALSO.

THEY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONATING A, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THEIR BALANCE OF FEES TO THE CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY.

UM, AND, UH, THEIR DESIRE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, THEY WON'T BE INVOLVED, BUT THEIR DESIRE IS FOR, UM, HOPEFULLY A GROUP, A GROUP OF CITIZENS TO FORM A FRIENDS GROUP IN THE FUTURE AND BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, INVOLVE MORE CITIZENS ACROSS THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED IN RAISING FUNDS AND MAKING RECOGNITION FOR THE LIBRARY SERVICES.

SO, UM, WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, UM, OR ALLOW YOU JUST TO MOVE FORWARD.

COUNCIL, ANYBODY, ANYTHING? NO.

MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION FOR THEIR SERVICE THROUGH THE YEARS.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL.

UM, MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM 28, COUNCIL MEMBER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANY DELIBERATION OF OR DECISION ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE INQUIRY SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE SUBJECT ON THE AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.

COUNCIL MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS.

MOVING ALONG.

ITEM 29,

[29. Council Member Closing Statements.]

PLACE ONE.

YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS.

UM, NUMBER ONE, THANKS FOR TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR SUCH A, A GREAT JOB AND A NEW LOCATION FOR THE 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION ON THE 3RD OF JULY.

UH, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK IS PHENOMENAL BECAUSE WE ALL GOT TO ENJOY THE 4TH OF JULY QUIETLY, SOMEWHAT QUIETLY.

UH, BUT I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR, WE HAVE ONE PERSON HERE FROM P Z, BUT, UH, I, I KNOW QUITE OFTEN WE GO THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE VOTE ON RATHER QUICKLY WITHOUT ASKING QUESTIONS.

AND THAT IS DUE TO THE HARD WORK OF P AND Z, UH, BECAUSE THEY'VE ASKED THE QUESTIONS, THEY'VE GOT THE ANSWERS, THEY'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IT'S ALL DONE BEFORE IT GETS HERE.

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND I KNOW I APPRECIATE IT.

I'VE A ACTUALLY ASKED THEM TO ASK QUESTIONS WHILE THEY'RE BEING VIDEOED, UH, AND THINK ABOUT, OKAY, JUST ASK THE QUESTION TO GET THE ANSWER LIKE YOU'RE TALKING TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT REALLY WORKS.

SO I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK, UH, THAT THEY DO.

IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING MUCH EASIER WHEN, WHEN IT GETS TO US.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY.

PRODUCT 10, JUST WANTED TO THANK PARKS AND RECS FOR THE LIBERTY FEST.

I THINK IT WENT OFF REALLY WELL IN THE NEW LOCATION.

I KNOW THERE WAS A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THE FIREWORKS, BUT I THINK THE BUSES WORKED GREAT.

AND SO GOOD JOB TEAM TAKE GOODNIGHT.

PLACE THREE, I'LL ECHO.

THAT WAS A GREAT, UH, TURNOUT AND I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE LOCATION WAS REALLY, UH, GOOD AS WELL AND, UH, REALLY GOOD TURNOUT, BUT ALSO WANT TO THANK PUBLIC'S WORKS, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR DOING THE TRAFFIC CONTROL OUT THERE.

AND I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WENT, UH, WELL WITHOUT A HITCH.

SO, UH, GREAT JOB EVERYONE.

PLACE SIX, DITTO WHAT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

PLACE FIVE.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.