* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Open Meeting.] [00:00:05] GOOD EVENING. TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 20TH, 2023, AND THE TIME IS 6:01 PM AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LEANDRO [2. Roll Call.] CITY COUNCIL, CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CATHERINE BATTALION. PARKER. MAYOR PRO. TIM MAIA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER NICOLE THOMPSON. PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS CNIK. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BECKY ROSS. HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE DELA HERE. [3. Review proposed parkland dedication ordinance.] MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, REVIEW PROPOSED PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE. WE HAVE THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR, CUMMINS. GOOD EVENING. COUPLE OF ONE DISCLAIMER. THERE WE GO. I CAN HEAR IT. I CAN HEAR IT NOW. THAT'S GREAT. UM, ONE, ONE DISCLAIMER, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, ONLY THE, THE PRINTER ONLY PRINTED OUT EVERY OTHER PAGE. SO MR. NEW HAS GONE TO PRINT OUT THE WHOLE, BUT IT'S ON THE POWERPOINT, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WALK THROUGH IT WITH US ON THE POWERPOINT AS WELL. UM, I'M, I'M GLAD TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AS WE MOVE DOWN THE HOME STRETCH FOR, UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION REVISION. I THINK IT'S BEEN ON EVERYBODY'S MIND, UH, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING THIS, UH, TO P AND Z NEXT MONTH AND THEN TO BACK TO YOU AND FOR COUNSEL FOR, UH, APPROVAL AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY IN SEPTEMBER, YOU ADOPTED THE PARKS, PUBLIC SPACES AND RECREATION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH PROVIDES THE PLANNING POLICY AND GUIDANCE FOR ANY OF OUR PARK PROJECTS AND PARK PARKLAND DEDICATION. IT'S, UH, IT MEETS, UH, UH, PARKS AND WILDLIFE GUIDELINES AS WELL FOR GRANT APPLICATIONS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT HAPPENING BACK IN 20 20 19. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE PLANNING PHASES OF LOOKING AT AN ADDENDUM TO THAT, AN UPDATE TO THAT. SINCE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE 2019, QUITE A QUITE A BIT, CITY CAREFULLY ASSESSED PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM IMPACTS OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND ESTABLISHED COST REQUIREMENTS BASED ON INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'VE, UH, ALREADY, ALREADY DOING WITH OUR CURRENT PARKLAND DEDICATION. AND WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OF THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. IDEAL REQUIREMENTS CONSTITUTE FACT-BASED DETERMINATION OF THE IMPACT OF NEW LIVING UNITS ON THE PARK AND RECREATION SYSTEM TO ENSURE NEW LIVING UNITS BEAR PROPORTIONAL SHARE OF THE COST OF PROVIDING RELATED SERVICES. IDEAL PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS AND PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES ARE BASED ON ESTABLISHED FORM FORMULAS AND ALLOCATIONS, WHICH YOU WILL SEE SHORTLY AND PARKLAND. DEDICATION FEES ARE NOT AN IMPACT FEE. WE WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, BUT FALL INTO A CATEGORY OF USER FEE. INTENT IS FOR LANDOWNERS, DEVELOPERS OR NEW HOMEOWNERS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING NEW PARK DEMAND TO PAY FOR THE COST OF NEW, NEW PARKS. NEW RESIDENTS ARE PLACING AN EXTRAORDINARY, ENORMOUS STRAIN ON THE PARKS AND FACILITIES THAT WE DO HAVE NOW. AND THIS IS A, A REMEDY, UH, TO, UH, HELP US MEET THE OBJECTIVE. OF COURSE, AS WE SHARED WITH YOU SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, THERE ARE MANY HOA PARK AMENITIES ON A SMALLER, ON SMALLER SITES. THERE ARE NO LARGE AREAS TO SERVE BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AND ACTIVITIES. THESE PARKS ARE DESIGNED SOLELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS. UM, CITY AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF, HAS ONE PUBLIC POOL, TWO SPLASH PARKS, SIX PLAYGROUNDS, 10 PIT IN THE SHELTERS, 45 PICNIC TABLES, TWO BASKETBALL COURTS, TWO SKATE PARKS, EIGHT SOCCER FIELDS, UH, A DOG PARK, SEVERAL MILES OF TRAIL AND BASE, AND FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS, ONE SOFTBALL FIELDS. THERE ARE ZERO MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS, UH, FOR RUGBY, KICKBALL, LACROSSE, CRICKET, ET CETERA, AND ZERO TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS TO SERVE A POPULATION OF NEARLY 90,000 RESIDENTS. THE CITY OF LEANDER PARKLAND DEDICATION PROGRAM SUPPORTING NEW HOA NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS SHOULD BE REVISED AND UPDATED. WE'VE THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED, UH, THAT AND, AND THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, ARE ALL UNDERSTANDING TO MEET THE CURRENT DEMANDS PLACED UPON THE LEANDER PARK SYSTEM. CREATING COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARKS SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF A REVISED LEANDER PARK DEDICATION ORDINANCE. UM, WE WENT THROUGH THAT BEFORE IN THAT WE HAVE MICRO PARKS, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, WE HAVE COMMUNITY PARKS, REGIONAL PARKS, AND THEN EVEN LARGER, UH, UH, PARKS THAN, THAN THAT AS MORE OF A A STATE PARK TYPE TYPE, UM, UH, PARK LAND THAT WE, UH, THAT WE CONSIDER. LEANDER IS OVER 35 NEIGHBORHOOD HOA PARKS, BUT HAD NO COMMUNITY PARKS AND ONLY ONE REGIONAL PARK, WHICH WAS LAKEWOOD. IN THE PAST DECADE. SEVERAL AREAS OF THE CITY ARE UNDERSERVED DUE TO LACK OF PARK SPACE. THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION, UH, [00:05:01] DOES TREMENDOUS WORK AND ANALYSIS EVERY YEAR, EACH YEAR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, AND THEIR, THEIR MOST RECENT, UH, SURVEY AND ANALYSIS HAS SHOWN THAT, UH, THEY RECOMMEND 1.12 ACRES OF PARKLAND PER 100 RESIDENTS OR 11 ACRES, LITTLE OVER 11 ACRES PER 11.2 ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS. UM, AND YOU CAN GO TO THE, THAT WEBSITE AND WE'LL SH WE'LL LOOK AT A CLIP FROM THAT IN JUST A SECOND. LEANDER CURRENTLY HAS 283 ACRES OF ACTIVE PARKLAND, EXCLUDING CRYSTAL FALLS' GOLF COURSE. IT IS CONSIDERED A PARK. WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE. IT IS LABELED A PARK, UM, BUT IT'S A SPECIALTY PARK. SO IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED FOR ONE PURPOSE ONLY. UH, SO THAT 157 ACRES, WE, WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT, BUT WE DON'T INCLUDE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT OPEN FOR BICYCLING. IT'S NOT OPEN FOR, UH, WALKING, HIKING, OR OTHER TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. LEANDER SHOULD HAVE 963 ACRES OF DEVELOPED PARK LAND BASED ON A POPULATION OF 86,000 RESIDENTS. LEANDER ALSO HAS 148 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED PARK SPACE, INCLUDING OUR SAN GABRIEL PARK PROPERTY CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN. UH, THAT IS A 77 ACRE SITE, AND LEANDER HAS A TOTAL OF 431 ACRES OF DESIGNATED PARK SPACE. WE NEED 532 ACRES TO MEET THE CURRENT DEMAND. BASED ON OUR POPULATION, WE ARE PROVIDING LESS THAN 50% OF PARKLAND RECOMMENDED BY THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION. AND THIS IS THE, UH, A CLIP THAT, UH, PART OF THEIR, THEIR OVERALL ANALYSIS AND PERFORMANCE OR REVIEW. THE, THE CIRCLE, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T PRINT OUT CORRECTLY. IT SHOULD BE AROUND THE 11.2, JUST SHOWING YOU THAT FOR A POPULATION OF, UM, 50 TO 99,000, IT'S 11.2 ACRES OF PARKLAND PER THOUSAND, AS YOU CAN SEE, PER THOUSAND, PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS OR 1.12 PER UM, HUNDRED RESIDENTS, THE US CENSUS ESTIMATES 3.28 PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD FOR SINGLE AND MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, 100 RESIDENTS DIVIDED BY 3.28 EQUALS THREE 30.4 ADU PER PARKLAND ACRE. CURRENTLY, ONE ACRE OF PARKLAND SERVES 200 LEANDER RESIDENTS. 200 RESIDENCE DIVIDED BY 3.28 GIVES YOU 60 DUDU PER PARKLAND. ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE 50% BELOW THE NATIONAL STANDARD. WHEN YOU COME TO, IF WE'RE NEED TO ACHIEVE THAT 30.4 A DU PER PARKLAND ACRE, ESSENTIALLY WE SHOULD DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKLAND DEDICATION FROM OUR CURRENT THREE AND A HALF ACRES PER HUNDRED DU. SO THE RECOMMENDED 7.5 ACRES PER 100 DU OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIRES, AS I JUST MENTIONED, AT THREE AND A HALF ACRES PER 100 DU OR 28.57 DUDU PER ACRE. OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF 250 DU REQUIRES, FOR AN EXAMPLE, REQUIRES 8.7 ACRES OF PARKLAND. YOU SEE THE, THE FIGURE, THE FORMULA, IF DEVELOPMENT CANNOT PROVIDE SOME OR ALL THE REQUIRED PARKLAND, THEY PAY $1,050 FEE IN LIEU FOR EACH DU THEY ARE SHORT. SO 250 DU DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES FIVE ACRES. FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THEY REQUIRED 8.7, THEY'RE THREE AND 3.75 ACRES SHORT. UH, THAT FORMULA WORKS OUT 28.57 TIMES 3.75 EQUALS 100 DU OR 1,050 OR 105,000 FEET IN LIEU TO BE PLACED IN THE CITY'S PARKLAND DEDICATION FUND. MULTI-FAMILY TYPICALLY PROVIDES MUCH LESS THAN SINGLE FAMILY, IF ANY, PARKLAND AT ALL. IT'S VERY SMALL, VERY LITTLE. THEREFORE, THE 250 DU FOR MULTIFAMILY WOULD EQUAL ABOUT 262,500 IN FEE AND LU. AND THOSE ARE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW. AND SO WHENEVER A NEW SUBDIVISION OR NEW MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY COMES IN, THOSE ARE THE FIGURES THAT WE USE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW TO COLLECT, UH, OUR, OUR FEE AND LU, UH, IF THEY ARE SHORT, IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE NUMBER OF ACRES, THEN THERE IS NO FEE AND LU THERE'S NOTHING THAT COMES INTO PARKLAND DEDICATION. THEY'RE PROVIDING WHAT'S OUT THERE AT THIS POINT. UH, SO THEY COULD BE PROVIDING THE ENTIRE 8.8 AND THREE QUARTER ACRES, UM, REQUIRED, AND THEREFORE THERE IS NO FEE AND LU AND THAT'S FOR THEIR PROJECT? THAT'S FROM THEIR PROJECT. THAT'S CORRECT. VERY GOOD POINT. AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH. SO, OUR REVISED ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK AT INCREASING THAT THREE AND A HALF TO SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES PER 100 DU SO THAT SAME 250 DEVELOPMENT UNITS WOULD REQUIRE 18.75 ACRES OF PARKLAND. UM, UNDER CURRENT GUIDELINES, ALL AS, AS COUNCILMAN SURAK JUST MENTIONED, ALL OF THAT [00:10:01] COULD BE USED UNDER OUR CURRENT GUIDELINES AS PARKLAND. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE PROPOSED REVISION, WE'RE REQUESTING OR RECOMMENDING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, NOT REQUESTING, BUT RECOMMENDING, UH, THAT UP TO 10% CAN BE CREDITED TO THE HOA AS PRIVATE PARKLAND OR APPROXIMATELY ALMOST TWO ACRES. PARK PROPERTY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WILL FOCUS PRIMARILY ON DEVELOPING PARKS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE ANTICIPATED RESIDENCE, BUT COULD INCLUDE OPEN SPACE, SIGNIFICANT TREE SITES, REPAIRING AREAS, AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THE REMAINING BALANCE, 16.875 ACRES WOULD BE ASSESSED THE FEE IN LIEU. THAT'S A CRITICAL POINT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. SO THE PROPOSED FEE IN LIEU FORM BASICALLY A IS LAND AREA REQUIRED FOR DEDICATION MINUS THE 10% IF THEY, UH, CHOOSE TO, TO DO THAT. UM, AND THAT WILL GET US A 16.875. THE V THE FAIR, THE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS ESTABLISHED. UM, THE V IS THAT VALUE PER ACRE. UH, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THREE, THREE ITEMS BASICALLY. THERE CAN BE THE, THE DEVELOPER CAN LOOK AT COMPARABLE LAND SALES IN THE AREA PREPARED BY THE DEVELOPER, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE VALUE ESTABLISHED BY A LICENSED REAL ESTATE APPRAISER. OR THEY CAN PROVIDE $145,000 AN ACRE. NOW, YOU MAY ASK, WHERE DID $145,000 PER ACRE COME FROM? THAT CAME FROM OUR, UH, UH, OUR ECONOMIC COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM PROPOSED THAT AMOUNT WHEN THEY LOOKED ACROSS THE BOARD AT WHAT TYPICAL LAND SALES IN LEANDER COST. SO $145,000 AN ACRE. THAT'S THE VALUE. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, THE VALUE OF IT, NOT THEIR PORTION OF, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE $145,000 PER ACRE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT CAME IN. SO IF YOU WENT OUT OR I WENT OUT MM-HMM. OR WE WENT OUT AND WE WANTED TO BUY PARKLAND MM-HMM. , TYPICALLY WE'RE GONNA SPEND $145,000 PER ACRE, WHETHER IT BE COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, OR PARKLAND. WHO CAME UP WITH THAT? OUR ECONOMIC COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM. NOW, LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THAT. $145,000 AN ACRE. SO THERE MAY BE SOME DEVELOPERS WHO PAID MORE THAN $145,000 AN ACRE FOR SOME, SOME LAND DEPENDING ON WHERE IT WAS, AND ON, DEPENDING DEPEND, OH, THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT'S NOT, LIKE, THAT'S NOT AVERAGE FREIGHT FOR PARKLAND, THOUGH. THAT'S, THAT'S FOR DEVELOPABLE LAND. LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, I, I, NO, I BELIEVE IT IS FOR PARKLAND TOO. IF YOU WERE NOW, WE WERE, WE'D HAVE TO PAY THE SAME FAIR MARKET OF VALUE AS ANYBODY ELSE WOULD. NO. MARK, I GUESS ONE QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ROBIN OR IF RANDALL CAN ANSWER THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF RANDALL'S HERE, SO 145 GRAND, I'M ASSUMING THAT IS NOT FOR QUOTE UNQUOTE, NOT BUILDABLE FLOODWAY TYPE LAND, WHICH WE OFTEN END UP WITH AS PART OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OR EVEN CORRECT, IF WE LOOK AT SAN GABRIEL. CORRECT. THIS IS INSTRUC. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, I'M NOT WRONG ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE NOT. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT. SO THAT WOULD, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU, LET'S SAY BALL FIELDS, WHICH IS, WE KNOW WITH OUR TOPOGRAPHY, WOULD I, IS A PREMIUM DEFINED, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE WORST NUMBER. UM, RIGHT. IT MAY VARY. I KNOW THE MARKET'S CHANGED RIGHT NOW, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER IDEA PER ACRE AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ALWAYS REVISIT MM-HMM. , UH, AND HAVE A, A, ANOTHER THIRD PARTY LOOK AT IT. I, I THINK THE 145,000 IS SORT OF A, A FIGURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER LOWER OR RAISE, BUT I BELIEVE PROBABLY MOST DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THEY WILL GO OUT AND DO A THIRD PARTY, UH, APPRAISAL BY A THIRD, A LICENSED APPRAISER. SO THEY'LL BRING IN TO GIVE US US THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. OKAY. IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT THEY PAID FOR THE, FOR THE LAND, WHETHER IT WAS 85 OR 175, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA PROBABLY DO THAT FAIR MARKET APPRAISAL FOR THAT LAND AND SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THE FAIR MARKET, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'D BE. SO IT COULD COME IN AT 98 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, OR A HUNDRED. SO IT WOULDN'T BE 145. OH, NO, IT'S 145. THAT'S WHAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE. NO, IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE FAIR MARKET, UM, APPRAISAL. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN APPLY A HUNDRED PERCENT. RIGHT, EXACTLY. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN ONLY DO 10%. CORRECT. OKAY. YEP. AND THIS IS, THIS IS A QUESTION I GUESS FOR PAIGE, IS IN THIS CASE, WOULD THIS, I KNOW WITH OUR IMPACT FEE STUDY, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. WOULD THIS HAVE SOMETHING COME [00:15:01] KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY APPLICABLE TO IT AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THE, YOU WENT THROUGH A PROCESS FOR ADOPTION OF IMPACT FEES, AND THAT PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY TO PARK LAND, BUT THE CONCEPT OF ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY DOES APPLY TO PARK LAND. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UM, ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY MEANS THAT A DEVELOPER'S ONLY REQUIRED TO DEDICATE OR PAY FOR OR CONSTRUCT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ROUGHLY PROPORTIONATE TO THEIR IMPACT ON THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE PROVEN UP IN THIS ANALYSIS IS THE, THAT THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENT IS BASED ON THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE WHOLE. AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO PROVE IT UP. THE, THE USE OF THERE ARE KIND OF, THERE ARE ACADEMIC PAPERS OUT THERE THAT TALK ABOUT HOW TO ANALYZE THAT. THERE'S A PROFESSOR AT TEXAS A AND M THAT HAS A, A PRETTY IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND SUPPORTING THE, UM, ANALYSIS WITH INFORMATION SUCH AS THE LAND VALUES AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UNITS, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED OPEN SPACE, THE, THE DENSITY OF THE CITY. THOSE ARE ALL RELEVANT FACTORS TO CONSIDER. THANK, THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED TO DO HERE, WHICH IS SHOW THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED ALL THOSE THINGS WHEN COMING UP WITH THIS CALCULATION. SOUNDS GOOD. AND I KNOW, MARK, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING SEPARATELY ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE I WON'T SAY NOW, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF IMPACT FEES LATER IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, IN OUR COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT SOMETHING UNRELATED TO THIS. UM, BUT I JUST WANNA SEE HOW MUCH COMMUNICATION, SINCE WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THESE THINGS, HOW MUCH CONSIDERATION HAVE WE DONE IN TALKING TO, LET'S SAY, THE, LIKE, AT A DEVELOPER FORM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HAVE WE, HAVE WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE EXPERIENCING, UM, THIS CHANGE AND TO SEE, HAVE WE ASKED FOR THEIR HELP EVEN IN, IN, IN TRYING TO, UM, COMMUNICATE THIS AND IMPLEMENT THIS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S BEEN DONE SOMEWHERE ELSE? HAVE WE, HAVE WE DONE THAT AT ALL? WE'VE, WE'VE MET WITH THE HOME HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. SO THEY'VE ALREADY HERE GOT INPUT FROM THEM. AWESOME. THEY'VE, THEY'VE SHARED SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS OKAY. WITH US. UM, WE'VE TRIED TO LOOK AT, UM, ACCOMMODATING SOME OF THOSE AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER. WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL. SO, OKAY. WE, WE HAVE DONE THAT. WELL, I GUESS, THANK YOU. GUESS TAGGING ONTO THAT QUESTION. OKAY. UM, HOW IS, IS THIS THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEING MADE? IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT IS DONE IN OTHER AREAS AROUND TEXAS? OTHER CITIES? I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE, UH, SEVEN AND A HALF OH, ARE, WAIT, HANG ON. THERE'S SO MANY NUMBERS HERE THAT I'M, YEAH. THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES PER THE HUNDRED DU IS, IS, HAS, IS THAT COMPARABLE? ARE OTHER CITIES USING THAT CALCULATION THAT YOU GUYS GOT FROM THE CORRECT. AND WE SENT THIS TO YOU MANY, MANY MONTHS AGO, AND THERE HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF UPDATES, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO SEND THIS BACK OUT. REALLY, IT'S BEEN UPDATE TO INCREASE FEES PRIMARILY GEORGETOWN BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, INCREASE THEIR FEES. MOST EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND ROCK CEDAR PARK HAS STAYED THE SAME. UM, AUSTIN HAS ALSO GONE THROUGH, BUT MOSTLY THEIRS WAS RELATED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL. AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE A, A FEE COMPARISON CHART THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ABREAST OF OTHERS. WELL, AND I GUESS THAT'S MY THING, IS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY AN, AN OUTLIER THAT EVERYTHING IS STAYS IN LINE. OUR SITUATION'S DIFFERENT FROM THE NEXT CITY OVER THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE NEXT CITY OVER. BUT I JUST, UH, AND I AGREE THAT SOME ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SO FAR OUT THERE THAT IT'S LIKE, HUH. AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION GONNA BE HOW ARE WE COMPARED TO CEDAR PARKS LEANDER, I'M SORRY, TO ROUND ROCK AND GEORGETOWN ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES. LIKE, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 125 COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT HAVE A PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE. NO. TWO ARE THE SAME. NOBODY HAS, BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, INCLUDING OURS. UM, THIS IS AGGRESSIVE. OKAY. I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT. OKAY. UM, IT IS AGGRESSIVE FROM, FROM, [00:20:01] BUT IT'S NOT SO AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE I LOOK AT, AT OUR COMMUNITY IN FIVE, 10, OR EVEN 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND I, I SEE THE RAPID GROWTH, YOU SEE IT EVERY DAY, AND I'M EXTREMELY CONCERNED, OKAY. ABOUT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE IN 5, 10, 20 YEARS AS IT RELATES TO PARKLAND. RIGHT. AGREED. AND NOW IS A REALLY GOOD TIME TO ACT. IT, IT, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OPTIONS AT THE END THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME HINGE POINTS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT OUT. BUT, UM, I, I DO WANNA SHARE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS AGGRESSIVE, UH, FOR MOST COMMUNITIES. I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN OTHER PEOPLE AROUND US BECAUSE OF OUR SITUATION AND WHERE OUR MONEY GOES AND HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY COMES HERE, HOW MUCH OF IT MONEY GOES TO OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY. AND SO WE DO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE, BUT JUST MAKING SURE MY MILLION PARENT DURING ALL OF THIS STUFF, OR ANY TYPE, WE'RE, ANYTIME WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WITH FEES, IS JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE THAT IT AFFECTS. THAT WAY WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND IT'S OUT THERE. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN THEY UNDERSTAND. AND THEY COULD SAY, LIKE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE WORKED WITH ANOTHER, I'M JUST POINTING TO A HYPOTHETICAL PERSON RATHER THAN MARSHA. UM, BUT, BUT YOU'VE WORKED IN A, YOU EVER WORKED WITH A CITY LIKE OURS? MM-HMM. , HOW'D YOU DO IT? YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S WORK TOGETHER IN THE SAME, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. AND THE PEOPLE, LET'S SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HBA, ALL OF YOUR CUSTOMERS OR ALL OF YOUR, YOUR MEMBERS, UH, WANT TO BUILD HOMES IN THIS CITY, AND THAT MEANS PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA LIVE HERE, AND THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO EXPERIENCE THESE PARKS MM-HMM. . AND SO THIS IS ALL WE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS THING. HOW DO WE DO THOSE THINGS? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE CITY AND, UM, AND LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS AS THE EXPERTS TO FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT. CORRECT. YEAH. I THINK, UH, WE DON'T WANNA TAKE ANYBODY BY SURPRISE, BUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, I'M THINKING OF THAT OLD ADAGE ABOUT TREES. THE BEST TIME TO PLANT ONE, THE BEST TIME TO DO THIS WAS LIKE 20 YEARS AGO OR YESTERDAY. SO NOW IT'S NOW , YOU KNOW, SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS IS COMING UP. I'M OKAY WITH AGGRESSIVE. OKAY. SO THERE'S A FORMULA BASED ON 250 DUDUS, UM, AND THEN THAT YOU CAN SEE THE, I'M SO SORRY. THE AMOUNT OF FEE AND LIEU THAT WE WOULD COLLECT, I'M, I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. MR. BELAND HAS A COMMENT. I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN WE WOULD BRING THIS BACK TO WOULD BE WHERE ARE PEER CITIES IN THIS REGION WHERE THEY ARE ON THEIR PARKLAND IN TERMS OF PROPORTIONATE TO THEIR CITY? AND THAT CAN HELP ANSWER THAT OTHER QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, WHAT THE LEGAL, WHAT YOUR LEGAL UPPER LIMIT IS, WHAT AND HOW MUCH GAP YOU HAVE TO FILL, AND THEN MAYBE ANSWER IT BASED ON THAT. ANSWERING IT BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS IN DFW OR HOUSTON AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME PROBABLY DOESN'T HELP US AS MUCH AS WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR, IN OUR REGION. THIS CHART ALSO HAS, HAS SOME OF THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO UPDATE IT. I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TARGET. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, ROUND ROCK HAS 1800 ACRES OF PARKLAND PLUS, UH, FOR A POPULATION OF ABOUT 125,000. SO, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEND THIS TO YOU AND, AND REVISE IT AS WELL AND UPDATE, AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT. UM, PARKLAND DID, SO THIS IS THE REVISION SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, JUST SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENTLY FOR THAT SAME 200, FOR THAT 250 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. UM, UH, AND THEN WHAT OUR, OUR FEE IN LIE WOULD BE ABOUT 262,000, UM, COMPARED TO 2.4 MILLION, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL. OUR SECOND COMPONENT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION IS PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES. SO YOU HAVE THE LAND REQUIREMENT, AND THEN YOU HAVE PARK IMPROVEMENT. CURRENTLY, OUR PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE IS $400 PER DEVELOPMENT UNIT. THAT MEANS A 250 DEVEL, 200 DEVELOPMENT UNIT SUBDIVISION IS PAYING ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PARK FEES. THIS IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT DEVELOPERS REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT RECREATION AMENITIES IN THEIR HOA OR PRIVATE PRIVATE PARK SUBDIVISION PARKS. I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYBODY HAS SPENT THE MINIMUM, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN A PARK, THEY'RE SPENDING MUCH MORE THAN THIS, UM, ALREADY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THAT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPENDING, WE HAVE A SUM THAT THEY DON'T WANNA PAY ANYTHING AT ALL, SO THEY JUST, THEY JUST PUT IN AN ESCROW AND THEN, UH, GIVE IT TO US AS, AS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN AN HOA PARK, YOU'RE NOT, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DOESN'T GO VERY FAR. WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A PARK, LET'S, LET'S JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE. UM, WE JUST COMPLETED A PLAYGROUND COMPONENT AT ONE OF OUR PARKS. IT WAS 85,000. JUST THE PLAYGROUND DOESN'T INCLUDE BENCHES, DOESN'T INCLUDE WALKWAYS, DOESN'T INCLUDE PAVILIONS SHADE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EXTERNAL SHADE, [00:25:01] LANDSCAPING, ANY 85, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE GOING IN, IT'S LIKE 125. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S JUST THE MATH JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A PARK. IT, IT, IT DOESN'T HELP US A WHOLE LOT. SO THE FOLLOWING FORMULA WILL BE USED TO CALCULATE THE, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE. IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY R DIVIDED BY 60, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE RATE, WHICH IS 342,000 DIVIDED BY DU PER ACRE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DU UH, THE DWELLING UNITS AND THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THE DOLLARS TO BE, TO BE PAID. NOW, WHERE DO WE GET THAT 342,000? AND THAT'S, UH, A, A, A REALLY GREAT QUESTION, UM, TO ASK. PART OF IT CAME FROM NEW BRONZEVILLE WHEN THEY REDID THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THEY, THEY SET THEIR PART DEVELOPMENT FEE AT 340, 340 $2,500. I JUST, I DIDN'T WANNA PUT THE $500 IN THERE. SO, BUT THAT WAS PART OF IT. BUT ANOTHER PART IS OUR ANALYZING OUR, OUR OWN SYSTEM, UM, AND EVEN OTHERS. I MEAN, AUSTIN IS, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. LET'S, LET'S, BUT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY HAVE ABOUT, UH, THEY'VE SET ASIDE AND THEY'VE SAID A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK COSTS 1.421 1,423,900, $28 AND 42 CENTS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. TYPICALLY, A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IS BETWEEN ONE, TWO AND MAYBE THE MAX OF THREE ACRES. SO THEY'RE SMALL AREAS. THEY'RE NOT MICRO PARKS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UH, COMMUNITY PARKS EITHER. EVEN AT THE 1.4 MILLION, THREE ACRES IS ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS PER PER ACRE. UM, LAKEWOOD PARK, LET'S, WE WILL TAKE THIS, GOING BACK TO 2018, WE HAD 8.2 MILLION FOR LAKEWOOD PARK. WE HAVE 125 ACRES, INCLUDING PART OF THE LAKE. UM, AND IF YOU, IF YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, 125 ACRES DIVIDED BY 8.2 MILLION IS ABOUT $65,000 PER ACRE. BUT LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE LIMITS OF CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE PARK, IT ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO BE ABOUT 50 ACRES. THAT'S ALL WE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. USABLE, PUT CONSTRUCTION ON. USABLE. USABLE, YEAH. SO, UH, THAT BUMPS IT UP TO ABOUT $165,000 PER ACRE. ANOTHER EXAMPLE, UM, WE HAVE A SMALL, LESS THAN THREE ACRE SITE BEHIND CITY HALL. WE KNOW THAT OUR ORIGINAL, OFF, OFF THE MASTER PLAN, THAT ORIGINAL FIGURE CAME IN AT ABOUT 1.5 OR 1.6 MILLION. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT IT'S ABOUT $500,000 PER ACRE TO DEVELOP THAT, THAT AREA. SAN GABRIEL PARK. UM, ANOTHER RELATIVE, UH, WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS NOW. UM, WE RECEIVED AN ESTIMATE FOR THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN. COULD BE IN THE RANGE OF $60 MILLION FOR 77 ACRES. YOU CAN SORT OF START DOING THE MATH IF YOU JUST DO 70, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 55 ACRES OF REALLY USABLE SPACE THAT WE CAN BUILD ON. SO WE'RE NOW 55 ACRES, $60 MILLION. WE'RE AT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS AN ACRE FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO I DON'T, I THINK 342,000 IS RIGHT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY NICE FIGURE, BUT THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED. IT'S ONE OF THOSE HINGE POINTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AS WELL. UM, SO THIS JUST GOES BACK THROUGH WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UH, AT $342,000 AN ACRE. THE DESIGN ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION COST DEVELOPED PARKLAND DIVIDED BY 60 DUDUS PER ACRE IS $5,700 PER PER DU. SO INSTEAD OF THE $400, WE'RE LOOKING AT $5,700 PER DEVELOPMENT UNIT OR DWELLING UNIT. EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY. ON THE DEVELOPMENT UNIT, WE'RE USING 250 THROUGHOUT THIS, UM, PRESENTATION. YES. IS THAT THE AVERAGE OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AS A CITY? WHERE'S THAT FIGURE? THIS IS A ROUND NUMBER OF A AVERAGE SIZE DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING CORRECT. OF, BUT IS IT A AVERAGE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE SEEN COME THROUGH LIKE IN THE LAST YEAR? IS IT REALLY ACCURATE FOR US? I, I THINK IT'S ACCURATE FROM THE STANDPOINT FOR INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY MM-HMM. AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT YES, THAT WOULD SEEN LIKE A SUBDIVISION VERSUS LIKE A BIG, I HAVEN'T TAKEN ALL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, WE HAVE A HUNDRED DEVELOPMENTS, MAYBE NOT THAT MANY. OKAY. AND FIGURED OUT ALL THE DDUS. OKAY. SO IT WAS JUST BASIS UPON 250. IT COULD BE A HUNDRED, WE COULD HAVE DONE IT OFF A HUNDRED OR, OR EVEN 500. OKAY. TRY TO TRY TO CAPTURE SOMETHING THAT WAS REALISTIC. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING OF, UM, YOU KNOW, 250 IS, IS PRETTY TYPICAL, IF NOT MORE. ACTUALLY, YOU COULD LOOK AT SOME OTHERS LARGER, THERE'S A LOT OF LARGE ONES OUT THERE TOO. SO, SO 250 TO USE TIMES 5,700, IT'S 1.4 MILLION [00:30:01] FOR RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS. OF THAT 10 PER 10% CAN BE USED FOR SUBDIVISION PARK DEVELOPMENT, OR 142,000. UH, IF THAT DEVELOPER DECIDES THEY WANT TO KEEP AND RETAIN 10% OF THE PARK LAND, AND THEY CAN USE 10% FOR THE RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. UM, SO BASICALLY 1.2, ALMOST 1.3 MILLION WE PLACED IN THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FUND. COULD, COULD THERE BE, THIS IS KIND OF WITH YOU AND ROB, WITH ROBIN, IF A DEVELOPER LIKE, LET'S SAY, HAD A BIGGER PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WITH LIKE, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF A PUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, COULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS BE FOREGONE? LET'S SAY THAT SOMEBODY HAD A TON OF ACREAGE AND THEY WANT TO DE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA DEDICATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACRES THAT THE CITY NEEDS FOR A PARK, AND THAT'S GONNA BE DONE INSTEAD OF LIKE A, A CERTAIN NUMBER. IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT OPEN TO DISCUSSION IF THERE'S LIKE, LET'S SAY A PUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, I'M JUST TRYING THINK OF, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE RED LINE BECAUSE THERE'S, BECAUSE IT HELPS YOU WITH TWO THINGS. IT HELPS YOU ACTUALLY GET TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE NEED. YEP. AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF TIE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE A WIN. THERE'S LIKE A WIN-WIN. YES. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER GROWING UP. AND THAT'S JUST EVERYBODY. THE SCHOOLS, THE PARKS AND THE CITIES ALL WORK TOGETHER SOMEHOW BACK THEN. UM, HOPEFULLY THAT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN. THERE IS, AND IT, IT'S THERE. IT'S, IT'S A PART OF WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE PLANNED FOR. YES. YOU, YOU CAN BE ABLE TO DO THAT WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER. THEY MAY WANT TO DONATE THAT THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF LAND, UH, THAT WOULD COVER THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. OKAY. SO THAT SAME 250 DEVELOPMENT UNITS, UM, UH, THE FINAL ANALYSIS ARE CURRENT. WE WOULD HAVE, UM, UH, 202 2 62 MAX WITH, WITHOUT PARKLAND CREDIT OF A PLUS THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS OR PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS, SORRY, FOR THE R F R F I, WE'VE CHANGED IT TO P F I P I F, UH, THE TOTAL DEDICATION WOULD BE 362,500 PROPOSED. IT WOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 3.7 MILLION. UM, SO WE, RIGHT NOW, I, I HAVE AN ACTUAL CASE. THERE IS AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT. THEY HAVE 150 DUDUS. THEY'VE PROVIDED NO PARKS. THEY DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE ANY PARKS. THEY DON'T WANNA PROVIDE ANYTHING. SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 5.337 ACRES, WHICH EQUALS 150, ALMOST $160,000 FEE IN LIEU. THEY HAVE A 60,000, UH, PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE. THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT TO THE CITY $220,000. THAT DOESN'T EVEN BUY YOU MAYBE AN ACRE AND A HALF OF LAND OR TWO ACRES OF LAND. THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT. UM, AND THEY'RE BRINGING IN 152 DU TIMES 2.2 0.8. UM, OR TWO, YEAH, 2.8. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THAT. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE, IT WAS THREE SOMETHING, OR MAYBE IT'S THREE. 3.28. 3.28, SORRY. YEAH. 3.28 THE PROPOSED, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR 11.4 ACRES OR A HUNDRED, UH, 1.6 MILLION, UH, FEE IN LIE, AND THEN 180, UH, 166,000 PARKLAND IMPROVEMENT FEES, OR A LITTLE OVER TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOR 11 AND A HALF ACRES AND TO SUBSTANTIALLY GO OUT AND PROVIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING HERE. ANY QUESTIONS? HEY, MARK, HAVE Y'ALL, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT WORKING THE OTHER WAY BASED ON CURRENT, BASED ON CURRENT COSTS, HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS IT WOULD TAKE TO PAY FOR, LET'S SAY A 60 MILLION SAN GABRIEL PARK? HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE YOU'D HAVE TO ADD IF YOU USED THAT FORMULA TO GET THERE TO ACTUALLY BUILD IT? WHICH WE HAVEN'T, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU DID, DID THAT YEAH. PAY AS YOU GO APPROACH AND KINDA WORKED IT THE OTHER WAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW LONG OR HOW MUCH MORE PROPORTIONATELY YOU WOULD FALL BEHIND YOUR PEERS. THIS IS WHAT I, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE. UM, THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT WHEN I STARTED SEEING THE NUMBERS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED HERE, IT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING THERE. BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, UH, A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO TAKE ON THESE EXTRA FEES TO BE ABLE TO, AND THEY'RE GONNA PASS IT ON. BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO A MARKET ALSO, AND I KNOW WE, WE HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE NO MATTER WHAT, BUT JUST BE THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WE'RE CONTINUING ON AND AS WE'RE SPEAKING TO THEM, I WANNA KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD IT. BECAUSE TH THIS IS SUCH A BIG JUMP THAT I WONDER HOW, AND WITH LAND PRICES OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE ASKING NUMBERS THAT ARE HIGHER FOR NO REASON, IN SOME CASES, AS WE'VE FOUND OUT FROM TRYING TO DO OTHER THINGS. RIGHT. UM, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THOSE GET BUILT. [00:35:01] SO I KNOW THAT AT A TIME LIKE THIS, EVEN WHEN WE'RE MAYBE LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE NEEDING TO THROTTLE DOWN, I THINK THIS COUNCIL'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE GROWING BECAUSE OF CERTAIN NEEDS, SPECIFICALLY INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S A NEED. BUT THAT'S SUCH A BIG JUMP THAT I WOULD WONDER WHAT THE, WHAT THE EXPERTS ON THAT SIDE THAT DO THIS FOR A LIVING AND THEY RUN THEIR PROFORMAS. IF THIS JUST SAYS, WE CAN'T BUILD HERE, THAT'S ALL I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IN THAT CASE, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG JUMP. SO JUST AS YOU'RE CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TOGETHER, I JUST WONDER WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND I'M NOT THE EXPERT IN THAT AREA. I JUST KNOW THAT, THAT BIG OF A JUMP, THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING. AND, AND I GET, I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION IS, WE'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE HAD A FEW PROJECTS, EVEN RECENT ONES WHERE THEY'VE WENT FINALLY TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. AND SO THE OTHER QUESTION I THINK IS, WOULD THERE BE AN ADJUSTMENT IN THE LAND PRICE AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE THERE NEED TO BE PER ACRE BY THE SELLERS IN REALITY THAT HEY, THAT'S PART OF THE FULLY BURDENED COST OF DOING BUSINESS HERE. WOULD THE BUYERS SEE IN 15 YEARS WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT OR SOMETHING? IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT DOESN'T, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A, A REALLY STAUNCH GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY THAT ARE JUST CONVINCED OTHERWISE. AND THAT COULD WORK EVEN IN THE CURRENT MARKET AGAINST THE, THAT, YEAH. EVEN IN THE CURRENT MARKET, THAT COULD WORK AGAINST THE, THE PROSPERITY OF THIS CITY BECAUSE WE ARE JUST SET IN OUR WAYS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN, UM, MORE OF. AND SO I WOULD JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT. I AM INTERESTED TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THOUGH. I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GO THERE, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO WORK CREATIVELY WITH US AND THERE'S ALMOST LIKE AN INCENTIVE FOR GOING IN THAT DIRECTION, UM, AND NOT, I THINK OTHER CITIES CAN PROBABLY PULL MORE FROM THE FEES FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT. I THINK OUR CITY ALMOST HAS TO BE FLIPPED ON THAT. UM, SO BECAUSE OF WHAT WE NEED TO GROW THE, THE AREAS WE NEED TO GROW IN AS A CITY TO BE WELL-BALANCED. RIGHT. MARK, I PROMISE I'M GONNA TRY TO STOP. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA TRY TO STOP NOW. NO, I JUST, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY. I LOVE, I LOVE THE, I GREW UP IN PARKS, UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA SEE OUR CITY MOVE FORWARD. I WORK IN THE OTHER INDUSTRY THAT THIS WOULD AFFECT MOST, RIGHT? SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S PROBABLY GOING THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE'S HEADS, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I WANNA BE LIKE A CONDUIT. LIKE HOW CAN EVERYBODY COMMUNICATE? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY GOAL HERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU. WE, WE, WE VALUE YOUR INPUT. YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS OUT THERE THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T. I'M, I'M LIKE, HERE'S THE FIGURES. HERE IT IS. LET'S, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. YOU KNOW? BUT THAT, THAT ALWAYS DOESN'T, UM, MAKE THE BEST SENSE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. DEFINITELY. WE HAVE A PUBLIC ART COMPONENT AS WELL. UH, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS 15% OF THE FEE IN LIEU, AND THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES WILL BE HELD TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC ART AND PUBLIC PARKS AND RECREATION LAND. SO FOR EXAMPLE, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A, A TWO 50 DU DEVELOPMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING FEES, UH, 262,000. WE'VE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES, 360 2 15% OF THAT TOTAL, OR 54,000 IS MOVED INTO THE PUBLIC ART FUND. UM, AND THEN THE FINAL PARKLAND DEDICATION AMOUNT IS 300,000, A LITTLE OVER $300,000. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALSO STATE CITY COUNCIL MADE FROM TIME TO TIME AUTHORIZED THE USE OF FUNDS OF THE FUNDS FOR PURCHASING PARKLAND. ARE NON-PUBLIC ART IMPROVEMENTS OR RENOVATIONS WOULD THE TERM NECESSARY IN RELATION TO A PARTICULAR PUB PUBLIC PARK PROJECT? OUR PROPOSED, UH, TWO, TWO WAYS WE WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT. THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR, UM, IN, IN THE SAME, BUT WE COULD DO THE SAME FEE APPROACH WITH 5% OF THE FEE IN LIEU. AND THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES WILL BE HELD TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC ART. SO THAT SAME 250 DEVELOPMENT UNIT, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING FEES, 2.44 MILLION PLUS THE 1.2 MILLION, ESSENTIALLY 3.7 MILLION 5% IS 186,468 TO PUBLIC ART FUND. UM, AND THE FINAL PARKLAND DEDICATION AMOUNT BE A LITTLE OVER THREE AND A HALF MILLION. WE COULD DO A FLAT FEE APPROACH ALSO ABOUT $750 DU FROM THE FEE AND LU AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS. UM, REMEMBER WE WERE AT 5750, 750. UM, SAME, SAME FORMULA. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, UM, UH, TWO 50 UNITS TIMES 750 IS 187,000. ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, UH, TO PUB, TO THE PUBLIC ART FUND. UM, 180 6 4 AND 180 7 5. UM, VERY SIMILAR. SOMETIMES A FLAT FEE APPROACH MAKES IT JUST EASY. YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN JUST SAY, HEY, INSTEAD OF 5%, IT'S JUST, IT'S $750. AND IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND. SO THAT'S WHY WE GAVE YOU THE OPTION WITH ALL THE FORMULAS. I FEEL LIKE THE SIMPLER, THE BETTER, THE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE PUBLIC RP WOULD INCREASE. JUST A QUESTION. SORRY. SAME. I'M SORRY, MR. TOMINS. UH, JUST A [00:40:01] QUESTION. SO FOR THE PUBLIC ART COMPONENT, SORRY, IT SOUNDS REALLY LOUD. UM, DO OTHER CITIES DO THAT? CUZ THAT SEEMS LIKE I CAN'T FIND ANOTHER CITY THAT DOES PUBLIC ART FROM THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION. OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE'S UNIQUE IN THAT AREA, THESE ADDITIONAL FEES FOR MM-HMM. GOING TOWARDS PUBLIC ART. OKAY. CORRECT. YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ENGAGED HBA FOR THE OTHER PART OF THIS, HOW OR WHAT'S BEEN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ARTS AND CULTURE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS PART? I REMEMBER IT BEING DISCUSSED SLIGHTLY, BUT NOT IN THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT MAYBE THERE'S BEEN MORE DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK. THERE HASN'T, AND WE DID MEET WITH PUBLIC ART BACK IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR, AND WE SHARE THIS EXACT SAME INFORMATION FROM THEM. UM, I, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES. I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING ANY ADVERSITY TO IT, BECAUSE THEY SAW THE, THE VALUE OF THE INCREASED AMOUNT BASED ON THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. IS THERE WITHIN, I DON'T, THIS IS WITHIN SCOPE WITHIN THE PUBLIC ARTS AND CULTURAL COMMISSION. IS THERE A STIPULATION ON HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT ONCE IT GOES THERE? IF IT'S IN THE ART FUND? IF IT'S IN THE ART FUND, IS IT USED FOR PUBLIC ART? OR IS IT USED FOR IT HAS TO BE USED IN PUBLIC ART. IN PUBLIC PARKS. LIKE IN PUBLIC ART, CORRECT. IN PUBLIC PARTS, YES. OKAY. LIKE THE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE SCULPTURE GARDEN OR WHATEVER, THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC. CORRECT. OKAY. I'M JUST THINKING OF THAT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO A NON-RESIDENTIAL PARK FEE, UM, THERE, IT'S STILL IN RESEARCH. UH, WE'VE, WE'RE STILL GETTING DATA IN, BUT WE KNOW WE WANT A, A NON-RESIDENTIAL PARKLAND FEE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT AUSTIN HAS. VERY SIMILAR TO MAYBE ROUND ROCK OR HUTTO. UH, EL PASO, MINNEAPOLIS, PALO ALTO, WE'VE STUDIED A LOT OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES. UM, THEY AS, AS PARKLAND DEDICATIONS ACROSS THE STATE, THEY ALSO VARY. UM, BUT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR OPEN SPACE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPER OF A NON-RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL, WHOLESALE, WAREHOUSING, STORAGE, PRIVATE, PRIVATE PARKS, EVEN ATHLETICS WILL BE ASSESSED A PARKLAND FEE. WE'RE STILL, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL RESEARCHING WHAT THAT FEE MAY BE. WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU WHEN IT COMES, OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT GOES TO P AND Z. UM, BUT THE PARKLAND FEE MAY REDUCED OR WAIVED SHOULD THE DEVELOPER PROPOSE TO DEDICATE ONSITE PARK LAND OR PURCHASE OF PARK FACILITIES FOR EXISTING OR PROPOSED PARK SPACE AT THE TIME OF PLATTING NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES RESIDING IN INTERCONNECTION TO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN TRAIL SYSTEM WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGN, UH, IN COORDINATION WITH CITY PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS, THE CONSTRUCTION AND TRANSFER TRAIL PROPERTY TO THE CITY UPON COMPLETION. THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT IF THEY'RE ON THE PART OF THE, THE TRAIL PLAN. SO IF A, UM, A NON-RESIDENTIAL, UH, ENTITY DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY'RE ALREADY A PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THEIR TRAIL COMPONENT, UH, FOR THE CITY, THE PUBLIC TRAIL COMPONENT. UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLES I WILL SHARE WITH YOU. ROUND ROCK. UH, IN, IN TALKING WITH THEIR DIRECTOR, THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY HAVE $800. IT'S ALREADY, IT'S BEEN A PART OF OUR, UM, SYNOPSIS COMPARISON CHART AS WELL. THEY, THEY DO $800 PER ACRE. UM, HE AND I HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION THAT IT SEEMS VERY LOW TO ME. UM, BUT HUTTO HAS $800 PER ACRE. UM, AND IT HA IF IT'S ABOVE THREE ACRES, UH, PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA, AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER CALIFORNIA CITIES THAT DO TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, UM, WAY, WAY UP THERE. THERE'S SOME THAT ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPECTED TO WORK IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A VARIETY AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE TO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER. SO WE MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE FOR YOU AND OF COURSE FOR P AND Z WHEN WE GO TO THEM AS WELL. AND, AND WHAT CHRIS MENTIONED WAS, I DO THINK, GIVEN THE FACT THAT RESIDENTIAL IS RUNNING ABOUT 10 YEARS OUT AHEAD OF COMMERCIAL, THERE MAY BE A KIND OF A REVERSE INCENTIVE IN THERE TO GO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL. IF THERE'S A SWEET SPOT ON THAT FEE, KIND OF A, RATHER THAN GO RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE NOT ONLY GONNA SAVE MONEY, UH, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA MAKE A CONTRIBUTION, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GONNA FILL A ECONOMIC GAP. PRIMARY JOBS, MAYBE CERTAIN, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN RESEARCH THIS, MARK. IT MAY BE THAT MAYBE THERE'S MORE SAVINGS WITH DIFFERENT TYPES. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT. [00:45:01] IF IT'S PRIMARY JOBS VERSUS C-STORE. SORRY, I WANT TO GET, CAPTURE THE THOUGHT. SO SOME OF THE HINGE POINTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THOSE? THE SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES? IT, WE CAN START THERE PER, PER 100, UH, DU UM, WE BASE THAT ON THE NEED FOR DOUBLE THE AMOUNT BECAUSE WE'RE LESS THAN 50% OF PARKLAND. THAT'S TYPICAL OF OTHER CITIES OF OUR SIZE. UM, BUT THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED UP OR DOWN. AND THEN THAT SHIFTS EVERYTHING ELSE FROM THAT POINT ON. THE HOA CREDIT ALLOWANCE FOR 10% OF HO HOA PARKLAND AND 10% PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE, THAT TOO CAN BE ADJUSTED. IT CAN BE ADJUSTED DOWN. YOU MAY WANNA SAY ONLY 5%. YOU MAY WANNA SAY 15, MAYBE 20%. UM, AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. SO AS YOU MOVE FORWARD AND BEGIN THINKING THROUGH THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE HINGE POINTS THAT, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO, TO KNOW AS WE, UM, ACTUALLY PUT THIS INTO THE, THE ORDINANCE, THE 145,000 ACRE PURCHASE COST, UH, LAND PURCHASE COST. WE WANT TO, THAT'S ANOTHER HINGE POINT THAT WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, A LOWER, OR WE COULD LOOK AT GOING HIGHER. THE SAME WITH THE 3 42 ACRE OR PARK DEVELOPMENT. I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. ADJUSTING 3 42, A $342,000 PER ACRE PART DEVELOPMENT COST WOULD ADJUST THAT FEE AND THAT 5,700 DU COST AS WELL. AND THEN THE PART AND PUBLIC ART COMMO COMPONENT, 5% OR THE 750 DU IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT THOSE COULD BE ADJUSTED UP OR DOWN AS WELL. AND THEN SIMILAR TO NEW BRONZEVILLE, THEY DID A PHASED IN APPROACH TO THEIRS. THEY, THEY ARE NOW IN YEAR THREE, SO THEY'RE AT THE MAX. UH, BUT THEY DID A PHASED IN APPROACH, AND SO WE PROVIDED THAT AS WELL. YOU COULD LOOK AT THE FEE AND LU VALUE AT 60, 80, AND A HUNDRED PERCENT IN THE SAME WITH THE RECREATION IMPROVEMENT FEE AT 60, 80, AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD. YOU COULD, THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS TO LOOK AT IT AND SORT OF SLICE THE CAKE, UM, IF YOU WILL. BUT YOU, YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT YEAR ONE AND TWO. WE'LL DO 60, WE'LL DO 80, AND THEN WE WANNA REEVALUATE, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES THAT YOU MAY WANNA, UH, UH, LOOK AT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS. WE'LL CON CONTINUE TO, UM, MONITOR AND GAUGE AND ALSO KNOW WHEN THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, AND THEN BE ABLE TO, UM, CONTINUE SUPPLYING YOU WITH DATA. ANY ADDITIONAL OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE COME TO YOU NOW. I THINK THIS MAY BE THE, AT LEAST A SECOND, MAYBE A THIRD TIME. UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PARK, PARK AND RECREATION BOARD, MORE THAN TWICE, UH, PUBLIC ART COMMISSION AS WELL, THE PRESENTATION TO THE STAKEHOLDERS HOME BUILDER ASSOCIATION, UH, ON TWO OCCASIONS. WE'VE, UH, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ONCE FOR, UH, AND THEN WE'VE UPDATED AGAIN WITH THE HOME BUILDER ASSOCIATION. UH, WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP TONIGHT, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVAL FROM PLANNING ZONING NEXT MONTH, AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN, IN SEPTEMBER, HOPEFULLY, UNLESS WE GETS SOME, UNLESS WE'RE DELAYED IN SOME WAY FOR SOME OF THE, THE DATA THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO COLLECT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, THOUGHTS? GUIDANCE. I KIND OF LIKE THE PHASED APPROACH MYSELF. I, I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE I, I DO FEEL THE CITY'S LACKING, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO COME AT THE COST OF DEVELOPERS NOT WANTING TO BUILD HERE OR PASSING IT ON TO RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME DECISION POINTS TO BE MADE HERE, COUNSEL, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK OF DOING, UH, A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK WITH MR. TOMINS TO DIAL THIS IN TO WHAT IT ULTIMATELY COMES BACK AS? COUNCIL MEMBER BRAZER, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO BE ON THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, AND WE WERE ALREADY TALKING TO, JUST IN MY LIAISON ROLE AS WELL. SO THIS WOULD, I'M I'M FINE. I I THOUGHT YOU KIND OF HAD LOTS OF BASES COVERED ON THAT. YEAH, I'M, I'M FINE TO IF I, HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO, WANT TO GO ABOUT IT, UM, I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED? I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED. ONE MORE. ONE OF THE LADIES. I, ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, COUNCIL MEMBER ZEREK AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCDONALD, THAT'LL WORK WITH YOU TO DIAL THIS INTO WHAT, UH, WHAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME BACK AND THEY CAN, Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT THE PHASES AND WHAT THE SWEET SPOT IS. SOUND GOOD? EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US, MR. TIMMINS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP AT 6:51 PM [00:50:02] PLEASE BE BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING. [4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.] GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 20TH, 2023, AND THE TIME IS 7:11 PM AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL. JOE BOB ELLISON, CHAPLAIN OF LEANDER FIRE AND POLICE WILL BE PROVIDING OUR INVOCATION TONIGHT FOLLOWING THE INVOCATION. PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE. GOOD EVENING, I PRAY. FATHER, YOU CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM A SPIRIT OF ENCOURAGEMENT, A SPIRIT OF LEADING AND DISCERNMENT, UH, NOT ONLY WITH OUR CITY BUSINESS, BUT WITH LIFE, WITH THEIR OWN FAMILIES, THEIR CHILDREN, UH, THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR SPOUSES. I PRAY FATHER, YOU CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM A SPIRIT OF ENCOURAGEMENT SINCE THEY ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS, UH, THANKFUL FOR EACH ONE OF THEM. UH, NOT ONLY DOING THEIR CIVIC DUTY, BUT DISHONORING, UH, THIS CITY AND HONORING THIS COMMUNITY. GOD, I PRAY FOR A SPIRIT OF, UH, ENCOURAGEMENT OVER EACH ONE OF THEM, BUT ALSO A SPIRIT OF UNITY. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR, UH, RICK, OUR CITY MANAGER AND EVERYTHING HE DOES FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR DARA FOR THE TRUE LEADER, THE AMAZING LADY OF OUR CITY, AND I'M THANKFUL FOR HER AS A CITY SECRETARY AND EVERYTHING SHE DOES. THANK YOU FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, OUR PUBLIC WORKS, FATHER, FOR OUR PARKS, AND FOR ALL THE UNSUNG HEROES OF, UH, CITY STAFF THAT FATHER JUST, UH, WORKED DAY AND NIGHT. FATHER, JUST TO HA HAVE THIS AMAZING CITY RUN. I KNOW AS A CITIZEN OF THIS CITY, I'M THANKFUL TO LIVE HERE. WE LOVE YOU, LORD. AMEN. TWO, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JO. BOB. THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. DID ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ME. ALL RIGHT. ITEM [5. Roll Call.] NUMBER FIVE, CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CATHERINE BATTALION. PARKER MAYOR PRO ASBY, MATTHEW LONGORIA. HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONALD HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER NICOLE THOMPSON. PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER CHRIS CNA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BECKY ROSS. HERE, MAYOR CHRISTINE DELA HERE. QUORUM IS PRESENT. CITY COUNCIL IS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS NON AGENDA ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. FOR ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA, I WILL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD. ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED WITH COUNSEL AND BE, WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD. THAT BEING SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT, WE ARE MOVING ALONG. [7. Staff Report Public Works Update] ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, [6. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda. Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed by Council. [All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.]] STAFF REPORTS. WE HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS UPDATE WITH PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ELLISON. GOOD EVENING, MS. ELLISON. YOU'VE HAD A NICE QUIET WEEK, . GOOD EVENING. UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST ME, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ON. NO, MAYBE IT IS. UM, IT'S NOT JUST ME TONIGHT. UM, I'VE ALSO GOT DAN GIVEN SOME UPDATES, UM, ON B C R U A. AND, UH, KAREN BONDI IS HERE AS WELL WITH, UH, V C R U A. UM, I'LL GO OVER TO START WITH OUR TYPICAL, UH, WATER USE REPORT FOR JUNE. UM, THE LAKES, THE DROUGHT, AND SOME OF OUR DAILY USAGE, AND THEN OUR CONNECTION GROWTH. AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE SOME UPDATES ON B C R U A. AND THEN I'LL FINISH THIS OFF WITH KIND OF THE, THE HAPPENINGS OF THE LAST WEEK WITH PHASE THREE AND, AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE. UM, NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED. UH, FROM LAST MONTH TO THIS MONTH, THE LAKES ARE STILL AT THAT 51, 50 2%. UM, LAST YEAR, THIS TIME THEY WERE AT 64%. AND THEN I HAVE A, A LITTLE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THERE. ON JULY 2ND, LAST YEAR, THEY HAD IMPLEMENTED THEIR STAGE ONE DROUGHT CON OF THEIR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. SO THAT'S WHEN THE LAKES FALL BELOW THAT 1.4 MILLION ACRE FEET. UM, THEY'RE ESTIMATING THAT THEY WILL MOVE TO THEIR STAGE TWO BY THE END OF AUGUST. UM, AND THAT IS WHEN THEY FALL BELOW, UM, 900,000 ACRE FEET. SO THAT USUALLY TRIGGERS OTHER, UM, OTHER THINGS IN, IN THE VARIOUS CITIES DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. SO, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN ONCE A WEEK WATERING, IT DOESN'T AFFECT US, CUZ THAT WOULD TRIGGER ONCE A WEEK FOR US. SO WE'RE ALREADY THERE. UM, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF, KIND OF SOMETHING, UH, SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR REDUCTIONS. UM, A YEAR AGO THEY WERE LOOKING FOR 5% REDUCTION. IF THEY HIT THAT STAGE TWO, THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR 10 TO 20% REDUCTION FROM, FROM THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, CUSTOMERS. THE LAKE LEVELS, UM, [00:55:01] YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WE HAD SOME RAINS, UM, IN APRIL AND MAY, AND, UH, THEY'VE KIND OF TAPERED OFF. SO YOU'VE, YOU SEE THE, UH, PROJECTIONS AND THE, AND THE YOUTH, UM, LAKE LEVELS GO BACK DOWN. UM, THAT 900,000 IS RIGHT AT KIND OF, KIND OF THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING END OF AUGUST. UM, SO IF WE CONTINUE IN THIS REALLY DRY PATTERN, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING. OF COURSE, IF WE, WE GET REAL WET, UM, IT'LL BE UP HERE IN LIKE THE 1.2, SO IT STILL WOULDN'T TAKE US OUT OF THAT STAGE ONE. BUT, UM, DEFINITELY NOT, NOT HIT THAT. UM, STAGE TWO IF WE, UH, WE SEE SOME RAINS IN THE FALL. UM, LOOKING BACK, UH, THE MIDDLE GRAPH IS WHAT I PRESENTED LAST MONTH. UM, SO WE WERE KIND OF COMING WHERE A YEAR AGO WE WERE, WE WERE SUPER, SUPER, UM, IN DROUGHT AND A LOT OF RED, UM, WE STARTED TO COME OUT OF IT AND, AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY HERE WAS IN THAT YELLOW, WHICH IS A MODERATE, UM, I'M SORRY, ABNORMALLY DRY. BUT IF YOU LOOK OVER HERE, KIND OF RECENTLY YOU'VE SEEN WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF CREEPING BACK INTO THAT ORANGE COLOR. SO, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY STILL, STILL DRY OUT THERE. OUR USAGE IN JUNE, UH, COMPARED TO JUNE LAST YEAR WAS, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND, I'M SORRY, A HUNDRED MILLION GALLONS LESS. UM, WHERE LAST YEAR WE SAW THAT PEAK OF 18 AND A HALF. UH, OUR JUNE THIS YEAR WAS ONLY ABOUT 15 AND A HALF. SO, UM, DEFINITELY SEEING SOME EFFORTS OF CONSERVATION AND, AND, AND WHATNOT. SO, AND THEN I, I BROUGHT THIS GRAPH OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, KIND OF IN PREPARATION OF OUR, OUR TALKS OF MOVING TO PHASE THREE. SO, UM, I'VE INCLUDED TOWARDS THE BACK END OF THE GRAPH, UM, SOME JULY NUMBERS. SO THIS IS SHOWING OUR SPLIT BETWEEN THE SANDY CREEK AND THE B AREA PLANT WITH THE B AREA AND GREEN AND SANDY CREEK AND BLUE. AND THEN ALONG THE BOTTOM IS, IS ANY RAIN WE'VE SEEN. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, IN THE, SORRY, THE TEMPERATURE UP HERE, UH, IN THE RED LINE. SO AS WE CREPT INTO JULY, AND WE SAW THESE OVER A HUNDRED DEGREES, UM, TEMPERATURES, THAT'S WHERE WE SAW OUR PEAK DAY OF THE YEAR SO FAR AT 18.1, IT WAS ON A WEDNESDAY. UM, AND IT WAS THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE WE STARTED EXPERIENCING ISSUES WITH BCA WAY. SO, UM, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT YOU'LL SEE THIS DIP HERE, AND THAT'S DUE TO SOME OF THE, THE, UM, THROTTLING BACK WE HAD TO DO ON OUR, OUR TAKE ON THAT END. UM, SO WE ONLY SAW ABOUT 15 THAT DAY, BUT GOING INTO FRIDAY AND THAT PHASE THREE, WE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SAW THAT THAT JUMP IN USAGE. SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT ONE. AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAVE IS CONNECTION GROWTH. SO WE'RE STILL SEEING THAT SLOW AND CONNECTION GROWTH, WHICH IS EXCITING FOR ME. , SO ONLY 5.2% FROM JUNE, UM, OF LAST YEAR TO JUNE OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT WAS ONLY ABOUT 1400 CONNECTIONS, WHERE YEARS PRIOR WE WERE SEEING DOUBLE THAT AT LIKE 3000 CONNECTIONS. SO QUITE A, QUITE A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THEN DAN'S GONNA JUMP IN WITH SOME BCR WASTE STUFF IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, OUR EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, DAN GREENSVILLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, UM, I'M GONNA START OFF WITH KIND OF, UH, THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, LIKE SOME GOOD NEWS. UM, WE ALWAYS HEAR THE, WHEN THE TRAGEDIES HAPPEN AND, AND, UH, SO, UM, KIND OF GIVE YOU WHERE WE'RE KIND OF WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE, YOU KNOW, PAST, PAST COUPLE YEARS. SO, UM, I, I, I THINK WITH, UH, JEAN AND I, AND WE HAVE KINLEY AND SOMETIMES OTHERS GO, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ATTENDED EVERY MEETING, EVERY EVENT, UM, UM, BOTH OF US TOGETHER, UH, HAVE, UH, GOT FULL KNOWLEDGE, READ EVERY REPORT. AND SO, UM, OUR KNOWLEDGE OVER ABOUT THE BCR AND ALL THE PROJECTS HAS INCREASED, UM, I WOULD SAY, UH, QUITE A BIT. AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE BACKUP PEOPLE WHO ARE THAT SMART. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS WEEKEND I WAS IN DENVER, COLORADO, AND IT WAS NICE TO SEE GINA JUST ANSWERING THE EMAILS AWAY. AND SO, UM, I WAS JUST ENJOYING THE COOL WEATHER. UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. UM, OUR COMMUNICATION I THINK IS, UM, A GROWN, GROWN IMMENSELY. UM, THIS LAST EVENT, UH, RON ROCK STEPPED UP AND, AND, UH, SAID, HEY, WE GOT THE 2 MILLION, UM, THAT WE CAN SUPPORT YOU ON. AND, UM, SO, UM, IT WAS, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT, THAT, UH, PARTNERSHIP GOING AND, AND I THINK IT'S GROWN, UM, AS THE PROJECTS PRO PROGRESS AND THE WATER USAGE AND, UH, CONSERVATION IS AMONGST THE THREE CITIES. AND I THINK THAT COORDINATION IS, IS GOING BETTER. AND THEN ABOUT THE PROJECTS, THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT, BUT PHASE TWO, AND I GOT SOME PHOTOS, UH, LATER OF IT IS, UH, IS MOVING FORWARD. PHASE ONE D IS MOVING FORWARD. I HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THOSE. THE WALL WATER LINE REPAIRS ARE MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE GONNA SEND THAT OUT FOR, UM, FOR BID. AND, UM, THE, THAT AUGUST 2ND IN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO AUGUST, UM, THE CLEAR WHEEL IS, IS, UM, THE COST [01:00:01] CAME BACK. INITIAL TALKS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WE THOUGHT, UM, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN. AND I'VE ALSO TALKED WITH RON ROCK, AND IF THE COST IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, THEN MAYBE WE STILL GET TOGETHER, UM, A SET OF LEANDER DOING IT ALL THEMSELVES. WE'LL GET TOGETHER AND FACILITATE IT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN PHASE TWO A ANYWAY, WHICH RON ROCK IS A PART OF. SO IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO GET IT DONE, AND IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GET IT DONE SOONER THAN LATER. IT WOULD HELP THE, UM, THE PLAN IMMENSELY. AND THEN, UM, WE'RE REALLY KICKING OFF PHASE TWO DESIGN, UM, GETTING THAT, GETTING THAT MOVE FORWARD. ACTUALLY JUST READ THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL. UH, WE FINE TUNED IT AND SENT THAT BACK TO, UH, WELCOME PARTNERS. AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA GET THAT GOING. AGAIN, IT'S ONLY RON ROCK AND, UM, LEANDER WHO ARE PART OF THE NEXT PHASE. UM, BUT CEDAR PARK WILL BE INVOLVED WITH MAKING SURE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE EFFECTIVE AND SO FORTH. SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD EYES, THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL EYES. UM, AND THEN THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. UM, WE DO HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD FRIES NICHOLS, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD THE KICKOFF MEETING THIS PAST WEDNESDAY TO FACILITATE, UH, THEM COMING ON BOARD AND, UH, COMMENCING A, UM, A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE, FOR THE PLANT. AND IT'LL PROBABLY USE THE SOFTWARE THAT RON ROCK IS USING, WHICH IS CALLED CITY WORKS. UM, SO, UM, VERY EXCITING ON THAT ONE. AND THEN KIND OF, UH, ROUNDED OFF, UH, WE DID GET THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT DONE FOR THE EMERGENCY BARGE. UM, THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, UM, BOTH KENNETH AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS GO, UM, BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. AND WE DID GET THE ALL A DONE, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES. SO, UM, FOR COST AND, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE GET FROM THAT BARGE AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S WORKED OUT REALLY WELL. THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT WE DID APPROVE THE EXPOSITIONS, UM, WHICH IS GREAT. UM, THE CONTROL OPS ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD. UM, THIS IS MY FAVORITE ONE. ALL THE LEANNA PROJECTS ARE MOVING FORWARD. AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING ONES, WHICH IS THE, UM, UPGRADE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND FOR ME, THE RONALD REAGAN PUMP STATION, UM, WHICH ARE GONNA BE SOME, SOME GOOD PROJECTS. UH, THE RONALD REAGAN PUMP STATION ACTUALLY COMES NEXT WEEK FOR APPROVAL FOR COUNCIL TO GET THE DESIGN GOING. AND SO, UH, AND WE HAVE THE, UM, WE'VE HAD THE PRE SOLICITATION FOR BIDS FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND SO, UM, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. THEY ACTUALLY MET TODAY, UM, KIND OF SHORT NOTICE FOR THE, FOR THE CONTRACTOR. SO WE'RE GONNA, UM, GIVE 'EM A BIT MORE TIME AND FACILITATE IT, GET THAT AGAIN. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD, UH, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO HEAR, SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD MORE INTEREST AND THAT'S GREAT. UM, AND THEN, UM, OF COURSE, YOU, YOU, THE CITY OF LEANDER, THE COUNCIL, UM, PUT OUT THE RESOLUTION ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO KEEP OUR COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. UM, WE HIRED A CONSERVATION MANAGER, UM, WHICH IS, HE'S BEEN DOING GREAT. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS AN, A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE, BUT WE HAVE PUT OUT A LOT OF EDUCATION EFFORT, AND THAT'S DUE TO OUR CONSERVATION MANAGER BILL. UM, WE COORDINATED WITH THE SCHOOLS AND HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND, AND TRY TO LEVEL, LEVEL LOAD THE, UH, THE WATER USAGE. AND, UM, SO FAR IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL. AND WHEN WE DO GO TO A DIFFERENT PHASE, IT WAS NOTICED. AND GINA'S GONNA SHOW YOU SOME GRAPHS THAT, UM, PEOPLE LISTEN. I MEAN, THEY GET IT, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S TOUGH KIND OF ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO, UM, GOOD ON THEM. SO THE DEEP WATER INTAKE, UM, THIS IS THE PHOTO OF THE BORE MACHINE ACTUALLY MAKING THE TUNNEL, UM, WHICH IS THE, UM, TRANSMISSION TUNNEL GOING FROM THE PUMP STATION, UM, TO OUR WALL WATER LINE. UM, AND THEY'RE MOVING ALONG ON IT, UH, VERY WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE. WE'RE JUST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR IN, UM, UH, FOR COMPLETION. UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY DAYS IT IS, 1,760 DAYS, AND, UH, WHEN THE FINAL COMPLETION IS IS, UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE GREAT TO SEE IT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG OLD RIBBON COMING FOR THAT ONE, I HOPE. UM, BUT THE EARLY PART OF 27, AND SO THAT'S FANTASTIC. UM, THIS IS THE, UH, SUCTION CHAMBER AREA. UM, YOU'VE KIND OF SEEN THIS, BUT I LIKE THIS PHOTO CUZ IT SHOWS THE MUCK CART GOING UP. THAT'S WHAT, UH, THEY FILL WITH, UH, THEIR ROCKS AND SO FORTH, AND THEN LITERALLY HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE, THE MAIN SHAFT AND UNLOAD IT AND THEN, AND THEN HAUL IT AWAY. AND SO, UM, IT'S QUITE THE, IT'S QUITE THE PROCESS. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH, UH, WITH THE ORIGINAL COST. UH, AND THEN WHERE WE'RE AT ABOUT, UH, 50 MILLION IN, UH, DATE, AND WE'RE OVER A YEAR, NO CHANGE ORDERS, UM, NO MAJOR HICCUPS OR ANYTHING. ACTUALLY, THIS PROJECT FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT AND A SAFETY STANDPOINT IS ACTUALLY GOING, UH, PRETTY DARN WELL CONSIDERED THE COMPLEXITY. I, I I I, I DO THAT IN FUN, BUT I BELIEVE IF YOU JUST HAVE A GOOD PLAN AND YOU FOLLOW THAT PLAN AND YOU HAVE GOOD COORDINATION, THIS IS WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. AND SO, UM, I'M GOOD ON 'EM FOR DOING IT. AND THEN OUR PHASE ONE D HAS STARTED, AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE STARTING TO, UH, [01:05:01] LAY DOWN THE MATERIAL FOR THE, UH, FOR THE BASE, FOR THE, UH, BASIN. AND, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S MOVING RIGHT ALONG. UM, KIND OF SHOWING YOU REAL QUICK, THE 600 DAYS, AND WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ABOUT 50 IN, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED THE EARLY PART OF 25, AND SO WAS THE SANDY CREEK. SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE THIS COMPLETED, THE RAW WATER LINE COMPLETED AND SANDY CREEK UP, UH, GRADES COMPLETED BEFORE THE SUMMER OF 25. SO WE SHOULD BE IN, UH, FROM A LEANDER STANDPOINT IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION. AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, TO, UM, UH, I THINK, MAKE SURE, YEAH. ALL RIGHT, MS. MS. KAREN BUNDY, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE B C R A. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MISS BONDY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, INVITING ME. I, UH, ALWAYS APPRECIATE BEING HERE TO TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT B C R UUA IS DOING, ALTHOUGH DAN DID A REALLY GOOD JOB SUMMARIZING THINGS, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THINGS DON'T GO WELL, I LIKE TO YOU TO HEAR IT FROM ME, AND I KNOW YOUR STAFF IS REALLY INVOLVED AND YOU'RE HEARING IT FROM THEM, BUT, UM, I LIKE TO BE HERE PERSONALLY. UM, SO MY NAME'S KAREN BONDY. UM, I'VE BEEN THE GENERAL MANAGER OF B C I U A FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, THIS MONTH. AND, UH, I WANTED TO START BY REVIEWING WHAT B C I U A IS AND ISN'T. SO, UM, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, UM, FIRST OFF, UM, OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF B C I U A IS COUNCILWOMAN THOMPSON, SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE A GOOD REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE JASON ANDERSON, ASLEY ANDERSON REPRESENTATIVE, AND HE'S A CITIZEN, A MEMBER WHO HAD, AT LEAST I KNOW PREVIOUSLY, UH, BEEN ON YOUR PLANNING, UM, COMMISSION. BUT, UM, IT HEARKENS BACK TO, UM, 2007, WHICH WAS WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY CREATED, BUT IT WENT ON WITH A LOT OF PLANNING STUDIES UP TO THAT POINT WHERE CEDAR PARK, LEANER AND ROUND ROCK ALL REALIZED THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE GETTING WATER FROM LAKE TRAVIS, AND THEY ALL WERE GONNA NEED SOME KIND OF INTAKE ON THERE. AND YOU, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON LAKE TRAVIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AVAILABLE LAND TO BUILD, UM, SOMETHING AS LARGE AS WAS NEEDED. SO THEY, THEY GOT TOGETHER AND DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD SAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IF THEY ALL WORKED TOGETHER. UM, AND SO THE PARTNERSHIP WAS, WAS STARTED. UM, SO THE, UH, I HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND IT CONSISTS OF TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH OF THE THREE CITIES. SO FOR CEDAR PARK AND ROUND ROCK, IT'S THEIR, UM, CITY COUNCILMEN. AND THEN, UM, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN LEANERS. UM, SO THEY MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS. AND THEN, UM, ANYTHING OVER THAT THEY APPROVE OVER $500,000 THEN NEEDS TO GO TO EACH OF THE CITIES FOR APPROVAL. SO IT CAN TAKE A WHILE FOR THINGS TO WORK THROUGH THE, UM, PROCESS. BUT, UM, IT, IT'S, UH, WELL DISCUSSED AT THE BOARD MEETINGS. AND THERE, UM, GENERALLY IS, IS REALLY GOOD CONSENSUS NOW FOR DAY-TO-DAY, UH, STUFF SINCE WE, MY BOARD ONLY MEETS MONTHLY, AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE ITEMS FOR THE BOARD, SO WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING. UM, WE HAVE THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, AND THAT IS SET OUT IN OUR, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE THREE, UM, CITIES. SO DAN REPRESENTS, UM, LEANDER, OBVIOUSLY, UH, ON THE ENGINEERING GROUP. AND THEN I HAVE THE HEAD ENGINEERS REALLY FROM, UM, BOTH OF THE OTHER TWO CITIES. AND WE DELIBERATE AND WORK WELL TOGETHER, AS DAN DESCRIBED. AND THERE'S ALSO THE FINANCIAL OPERATING COMMITTEE, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE BORROWING A LOT OF MONEY. WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY. SO ROBERT POWERS IS ON MY FINANCIAL OPERATING COMMITTEE, AND THE CFOS ALSO FROM THE OTHER TWO CITIES. SO, UM, AND DAN DESCRIBED I THOUGHT A GOOD, UM, BENEFIT THAT WE'RE HAVING FROM THE PARTNERSHIP IS SHARING WATER, ESPECIALLY IN EMERGENCIES AROUND ROCK RIGHT NOW. THEY'VE HAD A VERY LARGE WATER MAIN BREAK, AND THEY ARE BORROWING WATER FROM CEDAR PARK. SO IT'S, UM, AND IT CAN HAPPEN AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE. AS YOU KNOW, THESE, UH, EMERGENCIES OFTEN HAPPEN. SO THE, AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF WHAT WE BUILD, EACH CITY COMES SEPARATELY WITH THEIR NEEDS. SO THE CITIES DETERMINE WHAT CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE. SO WHEN THE DEEP WATER INTAKE WAS INITIALLY IN PLANNING, EACH CITY CAME AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA PLAN FOR, AND WE JUST ADDED IT ALL UP, AND THAT'S THE SIZE THAT IT [01:10:01] IS. AND EACH CITY DETERMINES THEIR OWN FUNDING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, WHICH IS A LOT TO KEEP TRACK OF. UM, BUT WHEN, UM, AND THE OPERATING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS WHEN WE WILL PROCEED WITH PROJECTS, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE DAN JUST DESCRIBED ABOUT THE CLEARWELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SORT OF IN FLUX, BUT IN HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH ROUND ROCKET, LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THAT CAN MOVE FORWARD NOW. UM, SO WE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A, A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON. UM, WE ARE, I THINK IN NEXT WEEK I'LL BE GOING TO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR ANOTHER ALMOST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'RE BORROWING. SO I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD TEAM TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. NOW, I PERSONALLY DON'T REALLY HAVE A WINDOW INTO EACH CITY'S OWN OPERATIONS. I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEVEL YOUR TANKS ARE. I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT YOUR, YOU KNOW, I HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT SOME OF YOUR PLANS ARE, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT MY ROLE IS, IS GETTING INVOLVED IN WHAT DECISIONS YOU ALL MAKE ABOUT YOUR, UH, ABOUT YOUR, UH, OPERATIONS. UM, I DO LIKE COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITIES BECAUSE IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GET CALLS, I GET EMAILS, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM RECENTLY. SO I TRY TO STAY COORDINATED ON, UM, MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME MESSAGE. UM, SO LET'S MOVE TO THE RAW WATER INTAKE BARGE. AND WE CALL IT THE TEMPORARY RAW WATER INTAKE BARGE, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR IT. IT IS, WAS, UM, BASICALLY A PLACEHOLDER UNTIL WE COULD GET THE DEEP WATER INTAKE, UM, DONE. AND, UM, AND IT, AS, AS YOU SEE, IT'S MOVING FORWARD RATHER NICELY. UM, BUT IT IS GONNA TAKE QUITE A WHILE. THE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S REALLY TWO BARGES THAT ARE, ARE CONNECTED, AND THE LITTLE ONE ON THE LEFT IS CEDAR PARKS. UM, SO THE ONE OF THOSE WAS BUILT, UM, WHEN THE ORIGINAL, UM, WATER PLANT WAS BUILT. AND THEN AS WE WERE DOING OUR EXPANSIONS RECENTLY, PHASE ONE C, WE BUILT THE SECOND ONE. SO THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, UM, ALMOST MIRROR IMAGES OF EACH OTHER. AND ON THIS BARGE IS ARE, UM, SEVEN PUMPS, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET MORE INTO THAT, BUT FIVE OF THOSE ARE FOR WATER SUPPLY SERVING UP TO THE CAPACITY OF WHAT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT CAN TREAT. AND THEN TWO OF THEM ARE BACKUP PUMPS. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WITH ALL FIVE, UM, THEY CAN DELIVER ABOUT 32 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH IS THE FIRM CAPACITY OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT RIGHT NOW. NOW, PART OF THE REASON THAT IT'S TEMPORARY IS, YOU KNOW, SITTING IN A ARM OF SANDY CREEK, ARM OF LAKE TRAVIS, IT'S VULNERABLE TO FLOODS, OBVIOUSLY DROUGHTS, AS YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DROUGHT BARGE, UM, OF COURSE ZEBRA MUSSELS. AND THEN JUST EXPOSURE TO THE ELEMENTS. UM, UH, SO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LIVING WITH THIS, UM, SORT OF TEMPORARY SITUATION AND WE'VE GOT FOUR MORE YEARS, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WORKING. UM, SO I WANNA GO INTO WHAT HAPPENED, UH, WITH THIS, UH, RECENT, UM, LOSS OF, UM, CAPACITY OF SOME OF THE, THE PUMPS. AND, UM, I'M MY OWN GRAPHICS PERSON, SO PLEASE EXCUSE THE, WHAT I TRIED TO DO HERE IS, UM, EXPLAIN, UH, KIND OF ON A DAY BY DAY WHAT HAPPENED. SO, UM, SO HERE WE HAVE THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND THEN I'VE JUST ILLUSTRATED WHAT PUMPS WE HAD AVAILABLE, BOTH FOR THE FIRM CAPACITY, WHICH IS THAT TOTAL OF 32.5, UM, MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, AND THEN THE BACKUP BELOW IT. SO ON THURSDAY WE WERE RUNNING, UM, REALLY FULL TILT ON, UM, THE PLANT. UM, AS I MENTIONED, ROUND ROCK HAD THIS, UM, PIPELINE BREAK. UM, IT WAS PRETTY MASSIVE. THEY HAD TO CALL IN PEOPLE FROM HOUSTON AND DALLAS TO, UM, TO ADDRESS IT. AND SO THEY, UM, NEEDED MORE WATER. THEY, THEY COULDN'T GET WATER TO ABOUT 33,000 PEOPLE FROM ANY PLACE, BUT B C R U A, WHICH ISN'T NORMALLY HOW THEY OPERATE. SO THEY, UM, ASKED CEDAR PARK IF THEY COULD BORROW SOME OF THEIR WATER, AND THEY DID. SO THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING, UM, AT ABOUT, UH, BETWEEN 11 AND 12 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FOR ALMOST 10 DAYS. UM, [01:15:01] SO THE PUMPS WERE WORKING, UH, PRETTY, UM, PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. AND ON THURSDAY, UM, EVENING, RIGHT ABOUT THE TIME THE SUN HITS, YOU KNOW, THE BARGE, YOU COULD SEE THE BARGE ISN'T REALLY SHADED, IT JUST HAS A RAIN COVER OVER IT. UM, AND SO THREE OF THE PUMPS, WELL, WE WERE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH TWO OF THE PUMPS THE DAY BEFORE, BUT ON, UM, JULY 13TH, THURSDAY, UM, THEY ALL TRIPPED. AND THAT WAS, UM, ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK. AND SO I SENT OUT AN EMAIL OR, OR MAYBE A TEXT TO ALL OF THE CITIES, AND I SAID, CAN ANYBODY CUT BACK? I JUST, AND ROUND ROCK OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T. CEDAR PARK SAID THEY COULD SOME, AND THEN, UM, LEANDER DID AS WELL, WHICH WAS PERFECT. WE, WE MADE IT THROUGH. AND THEN OUR ONE PUMP SEEMS TO BE TRIPPING JUST WHEN THE SUN HITS IT. SO LATER THAT EVENING, THEY CAME BACK ON, AND SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER THE FULL, YOU KNOW, 32 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OUR BACKUP PUMPS, RIGHT? SO, UM, SO WE, WE HAD NO REAL BACKUP, UM, STARTING THURSDAY, SO ON FRIDAY. SO ONE THING I'LL SAY ABOUT B C R U A INITIALLY, WHEN THE THREE CITIES GOT TOGETHER AND WANTED TO CREATE B C R U A, THEY DIDN'T WANNA CREATE, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE NEW, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, UM, ORGANIZATION THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF RESOURCES WHEN EACH CITY ACTUALLY HAS ITS OWN VERY CAPABLE PEOPLE AND ALL THE AREAS AT B C R U A WOULD NEED. SO WHAT WAS DECIDED EARLY ON IS CEDAR PARK DOES ALL THE ACCOUNTING. UM, LEANDER WAS DOING THE OPERATIONS INITIALLY, AND THEN ROUND ROCK, THEY PROVIDE THE ATTORNEY, UH, I HAVE AN ADMIN THERE, AND, UM, THEY, I ACTUALLY REPORT UP THROUGH THE ROUND ROCK STRUCTURE. SO THINGS WERE KIND OF SPLIT UP THAT WAY. WELL, CEDAR PARK PROVIDED OUR, OUR MECHANICS, SO B C R U A NEVER HAD MECHANICS. UM, SO WE USE CEDAR PARKS, THEY HAVE A PUMP AND MOTORS DIVISION, SO THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINING OUR PUMPS OVER THE YEARS. AND SO WE GOT THEM OUT THERE, AND ON FRIDAY, THEY WERE ABLE TO FIX ONE OF THE PUMPS. SO WE, WE HAD FIVE, BUT THEY COULDN'T FIX THE OTHER TWO. SO THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED TO BRING IN SOME EXPERTISE. SO, UM, WE HAD THE PUMP SPECIALIST COME OUT ON MONDAY. UM, THEY COULDN'T GET THERE. THEY'RE SORT OF LIKE, WHEN YOUR AIR CONDITIONER BREAKS DOWN, YOU CAN'T GET 'EM TO COME LIKE THAT DAY. UM, SO THEY, ON MONDAY, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET ONE OF THE OTHER PUMPS WORKING, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE THAT LITTLE BACKUP. SO WE, WE, WE DID HAVE A BACKUP THEN, AND THEN, UM, THEY TRIED TO GET THE THIRD ONE, UM, FIXED, BUT THEY COULDN'T DO THAT EITHER. SO, UH, THEN WE HAD, UH, FINALLY WERE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY OUT ON WEDNESDAY WHO WAS ABLE TO GET THAT, UM, GOING. AND SO WE'RE BACK UP TO SPEED. UM, SO I WANNA TALK, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE BEGINNING A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I GOT A LOT. UM, SO I WANNA JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THESE PUMPS AND PLEASE TELL ME IF I'M GETTING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL. UM, SO THESE PUMPS WERE ACTUALLY SET ON THE BARGE IN LIKE 2009, 2010. WELL, UM, WE ACTUALLY, UM, STARTED UP THE PLANT IN 2012, AND YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE HEARD THAT WE HAD A LAWSUIT, AND THAT WENT ON FOR YEARS. IN FACT, IT WAS STILL GOING ON WHEN I, UM, BECAME GENERAL MANAGER. SO STARTUP WAS A LITTLE SHAKY BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAWSUIT, WE DIDN'T GET THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE MANUALS, WE DIDN'T GET THE FINAL AS-BUILTS. UM, WE, THERE WASN'T GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE, UM, CONTRACTOR OR THE ENGINEER. SO WE DID, BUT WE DID START UP, AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER, WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN FOR 18 MONTHS BECAUSE LIKE TRAVIS GOT TOO LOW. SO WE ACTUALLY PULLED THE BARGE OUTTA THE WATER AND STORED IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THAT GREAT FOR PUMPS. SO THEN WE, UM, ONCE WE GOT STARTED UP AGAIN, THE FLOW WAS SO LOW FROM ALL THE CITIES AT THAT POINT THAT WE ONLY COULD RUN THE PLANT 12 HOURS A DAY. SO FOR UNTIL 2019, WE STARTED THE PLANT IN THE MORNING, SHUT IT DOWN IN THE EVENING, AND IT DIDN'T RUN AT NIGHT. SO NONE OF THESE ARE GREAT FOR PUMPS AND THE PUMP BEARINGS. IN FACT, FIVE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, OUR DEMAND WAS ONLY 5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FROM ALL THREE CITIES. AND NOW IT'S SOMEWHERE ABOUT 27 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED. UM, SO WHAT'S GOING ON NOW [01:20:01] IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN NEEDING TO RUN FIVE PUMPS TO MEET THE DEMAND SINCE, UM, SINCE THE 11TH. AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD TO RUN FIVE PUMPS BEFORE. THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. IN FACT, FOUR, WE RUNNING FOUR PUMPS, UM, HAS ONLY HAPPENED A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT DOESN'T STAY ON FOR VERY LONG. SO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IS, UM, AND I HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS. UM, SO THE, THE MULTIPLE FACTORS, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS, UM, ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, WHO, WHO HAVE BEEN GOING OUT THERE HELPING US AND ARE GONNA COME BACK IN AND DO A FULL ASSESSMENT, BUT BETWEEN THE HIGH TEMPERATURES AND THE HIGH DEMAND, UM, THE OTHER FACTOR IS THE LOW LAKE LEVELS. OUR ELECTRICAL ENGINEER SAID IF THE LAKE WAS UP 10 OR 15 FEET, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. BUT IT'S JUST HAVING TO LIFT ALL THAT WATER SO MUCH, UM, HIGHER THAT THEY'RE IS OPERATING LIKE AT WHAT THEY CALL 95% ON THEIR PUMP CURVE. SO HAVING THEM DO THAT SINCE, UH, FOR 11 DAYS HAS JUST BEEN, UM, MAKING THEM WORK HARDER. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, AND OF COURSE, I HATE TO BRING UP THE 36 INCH UNDERWATER PIPELINE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS OUR ENGINEER ADVISES US IS NOT TO TURN PUMPS ON AND OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA CAUSE A SURGE, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PIPELINE. SO WE'VE BEEN BASICALLY TRYING TO USE THE SAME PUMPS WITHOUT HAVING TO ROTATE. WE WOULD NORMALLY BE ROTATING, BUT WE'RE NOT. SO SOME OF THOSE PUMPS REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING THE EXERCISE THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULD'VE GONE. SO I THINK ALL THIS ADDED UP TO, UM, US SEEING THAT THESE, UM, THERMAL DETECTORS ON THE PUMPS REALLY WE'RE NOT WORKING WELL, THEY WEREN'T SET WELL, UM, THEY BURNED OUT, AND THOSE, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT CAUSED MOST OF THE PROBLEMS. UM, SO AS FAR AS THE, UH, CAPACITY, AND I THINK GINA KIND OF SHOWED YOU THIS, BUT THIS IS LOOKING AT BASICALLY FROM THE DAY BEFORE WE LOST THOSE PUMPS TO THE DAY AFTER WHEN I DID ASK IF WE COULD, THIS IS, UM, LEAN, UH, LEAN'S USE. AND YOU COULD SEE RIGHT HERE THE PERIOD THAT WE ASKED FOR, UH, HELP THERE, AND THEN THE REDUCTION THAT WAS MADE, AND THEN YOU COULD SEE THE RECOVERY. AND UM, THAT, UM, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW, THAT WAS THE PERIOD OF TIME. IT WAS ABOUT FIVE HOURS, I THINK THAT, UM, LEANDER CUT BACK. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UM, TOTAL, UM, MA A LONGER PERIOD, LOOK, THIS IS LIKE THE ENTIRE JULY, UM, YOU COULD SEE THAT LEANDER IS RIGHT DOWN HERE, IS WHERE THAT, UM, REDUCTION HAPPENED IN YOUR DEMAND. UM, SO THAT WAS REALLY ALL I HAD TO REPORT. BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ADDRESS. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, AND I KNOW YOU ONLY GOT THERE FIVE YEARS AGO, SO IT MAY NOT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW A PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN, IF THERE IS ONE IN PLACE, AND IF THERE'S NOT ONE IN PLACE, WHAT, HOW WOULD THAT HAVE HELPED PREVENT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING, UM, AT B C R U A? YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. SO WE DO, UM, AND AGAIN, UH, CEDAR PARK PUMPING AND MOTOR, THEY, WE DO CHANGE THE OIL ANNUALLY EVERY, UH, SPRING AS, UM, WE NEED TO, WE HAD UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE PIPELINE BREAK ROTATED THE PUMPS. UM, SO WE, UM, THESE, UM, RTDS THAT REALLY DETECT THE, THE ELECTRICAL, UM, THE, THE TEMPERATURE, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO OUR ELECTRICAL ENGINEER THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY CHECK. THEY'RE SORT OF A, I GUESS SORT OF LIKE A, UM, A FUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT, WHEN THEY GO, THEY GO AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. NOW, SOME OF THEM ARE HARD, THERE'S LIKE FIVE OF THEM ON EACH PUMP, AND SOME OF 'EM, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PULL THE PUMP TO GET TO WHERE THESE ARE, UM, WHERE THEY'RE DETECTING. SO, UM, BUT THAT IS THE THING THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY TAKING THE ADVICE FROM OUR EXPERT WHO'S GONNA, ON AUGUST 8TH, THEY'RE GONNA BRING SEVEN PEOPLE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE GONNA MEASURE EVERYTHING AND INSPECT EVERYTHING AND THEN GIVE US ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. [01:25:01] SO THAT'S FOR A COMPREHENSIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR B C R A TO PUT IN PLACE YES. TO HOPEFULLY PREVENT OR FORESEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON SO WE CAN AVOID IT. OR CAN YOU SPEAK, I KNOW WE KNOW ABOUT IT ON, UH, THE EXECUTIVE BOARD, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK, UH, MORE TO STAFFING AT B C R U A AND HOW THAT'S IMPACTING WHAT WE'RE SEEING ALSO? YES. SO WE, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD, UM, BUDGETED TO HAVE OUR OWN MECHANICS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CEDAR PARK'S GETTING BUSY JUST LIKE ALL THE CITIES ARE. AND SO THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN WORK TO DO. AND SO WE DO CALL THEIR MECHANICS OUT WHEN WE NEED THEM, BUT WE WANT MECHANICS THAT IT'S THEIR JOB TO KNOW WHEN TO GO OUT AND THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING TRACK OF AND, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE GETS DONE. SO THE BOARD DID APPROVE US ADDING A SYSTEM MECHANIC AND THEN A SENIOR MECHANIC AND ALSO A PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR SCADA AND THE IT, UM, SO OUR GENERAL MANAGER THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, HE, HE WAS THERE FOR 12 YEARS. HE BASICALLY DID ALL OF OUR IT AND SCADA. SO, UM, HE DID RETIRE, AND WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO COULD COME IN AND MAKE SURE WE, SO SINCE THEN WE HAVE BEEN USING A CONSULTANT, BUT WE WANNA BRING AN IN-HOUSE. UM, SO WE HAVE THOSE SERENA POSITIONS. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE, WE HAD UNTIL RECENTLY JUST HAD ONE OPERATOR AT NIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT FOR THEM TO DO. THEY'RE NOT BACK, BACK WASHING, BUT FROM SOME OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS THAT WE DID, AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAD TO DO THOSE AS WELL, UM, WE WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT JUST HAVING ONE OPERATOR, I JUST ISN'T SAFE. UM, SO WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR ADDITIONAL OPERATORS, UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING THOSE POSITIONS. SO WE, UM, WE ARE ADDING STAFF. IN FACT, WE'VE, WE'VE HIRED THREE PEOPLE WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. UM, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS ROUND ROCK IS STEPPING IN TO HELP US. THEY'RE BRINGING SOME OF THEIR STAFF OVER TO HELP US, UM, FILL IN OUR STAFF, AND THEY'RE ONE OF OUR NEW STAFF MEMBERS. UM, THEY'RE TAKING HIM TO THEIR PLANT SO THEY CAN, UM, TEACH HIM AND GET HIM UP TO SPEED QUICKLY. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND IT IS, IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ANY OPERATORS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS, THEN YES, SEND THEM MY WAY. HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS DO YOU HAVE VERSUS HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE OPEN? WE HAVE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION I HAVEN'T ADDED LATELY. I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT EIGHT, AND WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR ABOUT FIVE, FIVE MORE, INCLUDING A SENIOR MECHANIC. BUT I THINK WE GOT SOMEBODY WE'RE GONNA HIRE FOR THAT, AND THAT WOULD HELP THE, THE FACILITY RUN AT FULL CAPACITY, AND THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, AS YOU MENTIONED, OUR NEW ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, AND, AND DAN TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE CAN, UH, AS WE'RE GAINING ALL THESE ASSETS, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE SO MUCH EXPANSION LATELY. WE'VE EXPANDED PHASE ONE C WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE'RE WORKING ON PHASE ONE D, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DEEP WATER INTAKE. WE ARE GONNA HAVE SO MANY MORE ASSETS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THEM ALL IN A SYSTEMATIC, UM, UM, SOFTWARE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MOVING. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT STAFFING STILL. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE CHANGE THAT RECENTLY HAPPENED WITH OUR STAFFING THAT WHO WAS MANAGING STAFF BEFORE AND WHO IS NOW, AND HOW THAT IMPLICATES OR HOW IT IMPACTS ALL THE CITIES? YEAH, SO WHEN OUR, UM, SO WE HAD A, UM, SUPERINTENDENT WHO WAS THERE FOR 12 YEARS, I MEAN, SINCE THE BEGINNING. I MEAN, HE WAS AN AMAZING, VALUABLE ASSET, BUT HE DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO RETIRE. SO WE, UM, WE PROMOTED OUR CHIEF OPERATOR TO THE SUPERINTENDENT POSITION, AND HE HAD BEEN AT THE PLANT FOR SIX YEARS. I MEAN, HE REALLY LOVES THE PLANT. HE REALLY, UM, UM, KNOWS A LOT ABOUT IT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE ISSUES WE'VE BEEN HAVING, HE'S BEEN HAVING TO WORK LATE NIGHTS AND HIS HAVING, HE'S HAVING HIS FIRST BABY IN OCTOBER, AND I THINK HE JUST DECIDED IT JUST WASN'T A GOOD MATCH FOR HIM. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UM, WE'VE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE POSTING THE POSITION, BUT WE, UM, ARE THE OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT FOR ROUND ROCK WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE OUR PLAN. IT WAS THE SAME DESIGNER, SAME PROCESSES, UM, HE'S GOING TO BE THE ACTING SUPERINTENDENT FOR US. AND, UM, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED AS FAR AS STAFF, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED, ONE OF OUR SENIOR OPERATORS, HE GOT HIRED [01:30:01] BY ROUND ROCK. I MEAN, IT'S A PROMOTION, SO I CAN'T COMPLAIN. SO HE IS NOW A SUPERVISOR OVER THERE. SO HE'S GONNA COME BACK IN AND HELP, UM, TRAIN ALL THE NEW PEOPLE. SO, UM, WE CAN, UM, BECAUSE HE'S GOT SO MUCH EXPERIENCE, SO ROUND ROCK, AND THEY'RE GONNA BRING IN, UM, THEIR IT PERSON TO HELP US DO THE INTERVIEWING FOR OUR SCADA PERSON. SO THEY'RE HELPING US IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. SO IT, YOU'RE DESCRIBING A LOT OF CHANGE, AND SO IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THE CHANGES. IS IT THAT THE CITIES GREW FASTER? LIKE, CAN YOU HELP EXPLAIN AND PUT IT IN A PACKAGE THAT WE ALL CAN, CAN UNDERSTAND QUICKLY WITHOUT GOING, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, BUT, OKAY. WELL, I GUESS ONE THING IS THAT THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF OPERATORS RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAD THIS LONGTIME OPERATOR WHO LIVED VERY CLOSE TO THE, UH, WATER PLANT AND LAKEWAY, I THINK HE WAS PROBABLY MAKING ABOUT $27 AN HOUR. LAKEWAY HIRED HIM FOR $35 AN HOUR, AND HE'S ONLY GONNA HAVE TO WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAYS AND NOT NIGHTS. AND FRANKLY, WE COULDN'T MATCH THAT OR WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, BLOWN UP OUR WHOLE, UH, UH, SALARY SCALE. SO WE DID, WE LO SO WE, WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE. AND THEN JASON, BRYAN, WHEN HE LEFT, I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WERE HIS KIND OF LOYAL FOLLOWERS DECIDED TO MOVE ON. BUT YEAH, THERE IS DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT CLIMATE NOW YOU'VE MET DAN, RIGHT? , SO A LOT OF ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM AND, UM, ADDING SYSTEMS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE WITH. SO I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOSING PEOPLE WHO SORT OF AREN'T, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY FIT IN WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING AND THE BUILDING AND THE, UM, MORE RIGOR I WOULD SAY. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, LIKE PROACTIVE IS A GOOD, IS A GOOD WORD. UM, AS FAR AS LIKE HAVING A PLAN. AND SO, SO FAR IN A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT IN A COUPLE QUESTIONS THOUGH. LIKE, WE JUST, THERE WASN'T REALLY A NEED FOR MAYBE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE. AND SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS ONE AND THERE'S BEEN PRETTY PROBLEMS, AND NOW ALL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING. AND SO THAT'S CONCERNING FOR, FOR US. I DID HIRE A, UM, A RECRUITER WHO DID BRING ME A GOOD OPERATOR. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WITH A LICENSE, UM, WE'VE HAD SOMEBODY APPLY JUST LAST WEEK WHO'S, UM, A HIGH A C LICENSE OPERATOR FROM CALIFORNIA WHO WANTS TO MOVE HERE, WHICH IS WHERE WE GOT ONE OF OUR OTHER OPERATORS. SO I DO SEE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED, I MEAN, LOOK AT WHAT DAN JUST DESCRIBED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. I MEAN, OUR OPERATOR WHO'S LEAVING, HE SAID, I KNOW THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I'M EVER GONNA DO, IS LEAVING HERE, RIGHT? AS THE BIGGEST GROWING AREA IS, HAVE BUILDING ALL THIS REALLY COOL STUFF. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT HE JUST WASN'T THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB. BUT GOING BACK TO THE OPERATING COMMITTEE, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT DAN, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORS FROM ROUND ROCK AND CEDAR PARK, ALL DEALING WITH THEIR OWN GROWTH, WHO ARE REALLY PROVIDING THE GUIDANCE TO BCR R EUA THAT THEN COMES TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL. COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO LAST, LAST MONTH, WE HAD ONE OF THE BASINS THAT NEEDED WAS IT NEEDED REPAIR, UH, ONCE IT WAS DRAINED, UH, WE SAW A LOT OF THAT. SO JUST CURIOUS, NOW THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THE ISSUES, MAYBE THE, UH, THE PLAN IS JUST GETTING OLDER. DO WE HAVE SPARE PARTS ON HAND FOR THESE THINGS THAT ARE, WE KNOW THAT ARE BREAKING? DO WE HAVE SPARE MOTORS ON, ON BACKUP, UH, JUST IN CASE ONE OF THESE MOTORS GOES DOWN AGAIN, DO WE HAVE SPARE PARTS? AND IS THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE ANY ONE ENTITY THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING OR IS IT JUST KIND SPREAD OUT DEPENDING ON THE, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT PLANT? UM, SO ON THE, UM, INVENTORY, UM, WE, THAT IS PART OF OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. I MEAN, WE, WE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE KEEP SPARE CHEMICAL PUMPS BECAUSE THEY CONTINUALLY, UM, BREAK DOWN. SO, BUT, AND WHEN THE 36 INCH PIPELINE BROKE, WE MADE SURE WE HAD ALL THE PARTS THAT WE WERE GONNA NEED IN CASE IT SEPARATED, WHICH IT DID. AND THEN WE DID USE THOSE, UH, PARTS. SO, BUT I WOULD SAY WE NEED A MORE SYSTEMATIC APPROACH LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, THOSE PUMPS, I MEAN, WE DID REPLACE ONE, TWO YEARS AGO AND IT HAD TO GO OFF TO, YOU KNOW, THE PUMP COMPANY AND IT WAS GONE, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. SO, UM, BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD KEEP ON HAND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THESE, UM, UM, TEMPERATURE SENSORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WE DID HAVE SOME, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW MANY DO WE NEED? AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE OPERATING COMMITTEE IS GONNA DO, IS PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON HOW MANY [01:35:01] DO WE NEED, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA SPEND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUE QUESTIONS THAT FRIES AND NIELS WILL BRING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR. AND THEN THE OPERATING COMMITTEE WILL DECIDE ANYTHING FURTHER. COUNSEL, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR DAN AND GINA, SO NOT FOR YOU, BUT SURE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, I'M SURE WE'LL GET AN ANSWER . JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. UM, WHILE I'M GLAD THE COMMUNICATION WAS IMPROVED, UH, KUDOS TO YOU GUYS. I JUST THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC, INCLUDING ME, KIND OF JUST DOESN'T KNOW HOW BAD THE SITUATION REALLY IS. SO HOW CAN WE DO A BETTER JOB ABOUT KIND OF COMMUNICATING HOW BAD IT IS OR, OR MAYBE IF WE ANTICIPATED IT WAS GONNA BE FIXED AND WE WERE JUST GONNA HAVE IT FOR A SHORT TERM. I THINK WITH THIS, AT LEAST FOR ME, AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE RECEIVED IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, CITIES RUNNING OUTTA WATER. WE'RE IN EXCESSIVE DROUGHT, UH, EXTREME HEAT, RIGHT? SO EVERYONE'S MIND'S GOING TO THE ABSOLUTE WORST WHEN THEY SEE PHASE THREE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN KIND OF EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW. SO I, I WOULD TURN THAT OVER TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, MIKE NEW ON, ON COMMUNICATIONS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, HE, HE'S THE, THE EXPERT ON THAT. UM, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU, YOU TRY TO PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD THE SHUTDOWN, THE RAW WATER LINE, UH, WE PLAN THAT OUT. WE HAD A PLAN, WE, WE SET EVERYTHING IN A MOTION FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AHEAD. UM, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S UNEXPECTED SUCH AS THE PUMPS, THEN, THEN IT'S MORE DIFFICULT AND YOU HAVE TO BE MORE, UH, AWARE OF THE SITUATION. UM, BUT, BUT YOU CAN'T BE AFRAID TO TAKE ACTION. AND, AND WE WEREN'T, WE WENT TO PHASE THREE, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA POP IN AND OUT OF IT. YOU DON'T WANNA GO TO PHASE THREE AND THEN STAY A WEEK OR A DAY AND THEN POP OUT AND THEN THEN GO BACK. THE PUMPS ARE NOT WORKING AND THEN ANOTHER ONE BREAKS AND THEY'RE UNSTABLE. SO FOR US, IT WAS SAFER TO STAY IN THAT SITUATION UNTIL WE GOT ALL THE PUMPS FIXED AND THEN WE KNEW THAT, UM, THEY WERE IN STABLE CONDITION. AND LIKE THE GENERAL MANAGER SAID, UM, AUGUST 8TH, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO KIND OF A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF, OF THE PUMPS BASED ON THE REPORT THAT WAS DONE. SO, UM, I THINK FOR THE ACTIONS WE TOOK AND THE COMMUNICATION THAT WAS PUT OUT, EVEN IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE, I THOUGHT WE DID PRETTY WELL, UM, IN THAT ASPECT, BUT I'LL KIND OF LET MIKE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO, MAYBE WE CAN DO, YEAH, CUZ I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS WE CAN DO. AND THEY MAY BE MORE FOR MIKE, BUT OKAY, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY MIKE. BUT, UM, SO WHEN WE SEND OUT THE TEXT, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE RATE? I MEAN, ARE PEOPLE SAYING YES, I RECEIVED IT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU, YOU EXPLICITLY ASKED FOR A YES MM-HMM. . SO ARE WE TRACKING THAT? BECAUSE I GUESS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SIGNS THAT WENT UP FOR THE HOAS, WE HAD PEOPLE STILL WATERING, CUZ THERE ARE A LOT OF RENTERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, ARE PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY'RE GETTING THOSE? WE WE DO. UM, ANYONE WHO GOT THE TEXTS, UM, ARE ABLE TO REPLY BACK. YES. AND I HOPE ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DID THAT. UM, WE DO, YES. THE MORE, THE MORE POSITIVE RESPONSE WE GET, THE MORE ACTIVE WE KNOW OUR, UM, OUR USERS ARE, AND IT KIND OF HELPS US GAUGE WHAT ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS WE MIGHT NEED TO INCLUDE. SO, UM, WE USE A PLATFORM CALLED EVERBRIDGE. IT'S, IT'S, UH, HOSTED BY CAP COG, UM, BY OUR, UH, COUNTY GOVERNMENT'S GROUP. IT IS, UH, A REGIONAL SYSTEM THAT A LOT OF PARTNER CITIES ENGAGE IN. IT IS OUR PRIMARY TOOL FOR MASS NOTIFICATIONS RIGHT NOW. UM, AND, AND I'M THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY ENTERED IN THE MESSAGING AND, AND ASSIGNED THE, THE MAP SHAPES AND EVERYTHING. AND WE'VE, WE'VE MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UM, TO PREVIOUS NOTIFICATIONS WE'VE DONE. WE'VE GOT A VERY REFINED SHAPE TOOL THAT HITS EXACTLY OUR AREA AND OUR CUSTOMER BASE. NOT ANYTHING MORE, NOT ANYTHING LESS. SO THE CUSTOMERS THAT WE HIT IN BOTH NOTIFICATIONS WHEN WE ESCALATED PHASE THREE AND THEN BACK DOWN TO PHASE TWO WAS ABOUT 55,900, UH, CONTACTS. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE MULTIPLE CONTACTS. LIKE MYSELF, I'VE GOT EMAIL, UH, THE TEXT AND THEN THE VOICEMAIL. I PUT ALL THREE ON THERE. I LIKE TO REVIEW THOSE. OTHER PEOPLE MAY ONLY HAVE ONE, OTHERS MAY HAVE MULTIPLE. SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, I'D SAY TAKE ABOUT, UM, 75% OF THAT. AND THAT'S REALLY THE INDIVIDUAL CONTACTS WE'RE LIKELY HITTING IN OUR AREA. AGAIN, WE SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, DAILY POSTS, AND, AND WITH A GREAT TEAM. NOW WITH, WITH TY LINDY, UH, WORKING THE PIO SIDE, UM, THEY'RE NOT ONLY DOING THAT, BUT THEY'RE RESPONDING TO PHONE CALLS. COME INTO OUR OFFICE, WE GET REDIRECTED PHONE CALLS FROM UTILITY BILLING [01:40:01] SPOT CALLS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY MANAGERS, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ENGAGING THEM AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY A COMBINATION OF THINGS. BUT GOING BACK TO THE MASS NOTIFICATIONS, UH, WE CAN VERIFY THAT PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING POSITIVELY WITH A YES REPLY. THAT WAS REALLY ONLY ABOUT FIVE OR 6,000 OF THE 55, UH, THOUSAND THAT WERE CONTACTED. SO IT, AND I, WE, WHAT I'LL DO IS SEND A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT I SEE WHENEVER I LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. I, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T REALLY USE THAT AS A TOOL BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GETTING TO THOSE RECIPIENTS. WE WOULD SEE A A A NO CONTACT OR, OR A DENIAL FROM THAT IF, IF WE WEREN'T GETTING THOSE. SO WE DO GET, UM, SORT OF A RESULT FROM EVERBRIDGE THAT SAYS, YES, THE CONTACTS WENT THROUGH, THE VOICEMAILS WENT THROUGH, UH, EMAILS WERE RECEIVED AND NOT BOUNCED. SO, UM, I'LL SEND THAT TO COUNSEL, UM, MAYBE, PROBABLY TOMORROW WE'LL SCREENSHOT THAT AND GIVE YOU SOME RESULTS. AND NOBODY NEEDS TO OPT INTO THAT, RIGHT? THEY USERS OPT IN? THEY DO HAVE TO. OKAY. THEY DO. IT'S BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE THE WARREN CENTRAL TEXAS, SO THE WARREN, CENTRAL TEXAS, IT'S OKAY. IT'S A PRIMARY TOOL. THERE'S DIFFERENT SUBGROUPS, UH, CONTACT GROUPS THAT ARE PART OF THAT. UM, PRIMARILY WARREN CENTRAL IS THE AUDIENCE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING WHEN WE USE THOSE MASS NOTIFICATIONS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FORGET THAT THEY'VE SIGNED UP, IF THEY'VE MOVED OUT OF THE AREA. WE, WE GET THAT EVERY TIME WE DO MASS NOTIFICATIONS AND A LOT OF TIMES WE PROVIDE THE SAME MESSAGING TO PEOPLE WHO SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED. WE SEND THEM WARREN CENTRAL TEXAS LOGIN INFO. OTHERS SAY, I GOT NOTIFIED AND I DON'T LIVE HERE. WE SEND 'EM THE SAME THING, HEY, UPDATE YOUR PROFILE OR DELETE YOUR PROFILE TO, TO MANAGE THAT IN YOUR WAY. AND, AND, AND PEOPLE ARE PRETTY ENGAGED AT THAT AT THIS POINT. I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID A MASS NOTIFICATION, I THINK, UH, LAST SUMMER, A LITTLE BIT PAST THIS TIME, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN LAST AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, UH, WE WERE AT MAYBE A LITTLE OVER 42, 40 3000. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONTACTS AND WE REGULARLY PUSH THAT WARREN CENTRAL. SO IT IS IMPROVING. OKAY. AND JUST MY LAST QUESTION. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR YOU GUYS SAY THE CONSERVATION MANAGER, DAVE, IS THAT DAVE BILL TEETER BILL, SORRY. YEAH, HE IS KIND OF CONTACTING THE HOAS, BUT I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD THOSE SIGNS THAT WENT UP ON THE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND I KNOW MAYBE THIS TIME IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT'S A SHORT TERM FIX, BUT WE HAD THE, HOW DO WE GET THOSE HOAS TO KIND OF PUT THOSE SIGNS BACK UP. WELL, UM, AND THAT WAS KIND OF A, AN ESCALATED COMMUNICATION FOR US. WE WANTED TO, TO, UM, LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED AS FAR AS WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH COMMUNICATION BECAUSE IT WAS SO CRITICAL TO HIT THAT TIME PERIOD IN OUR LAST REPAIR. SO IT'S NOT TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THESE NOTIFICATIONS, BUT THE RADAR DISPLAY SIGNS WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE ON THE RIGHT OF WAYS IN OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS AND THOROUGHFARES. UM, I THINK WE HAD ABOUT HOW MANY DID WE HAVE? FOUR? FOUR. FOUR. SO REALLY AT THE MAJOR GATEWAYS WE'RE HITTING THOUSANDS OF, I DIDN'T SEE ANY THOSE, SO THAT'S GOOD. I SAW THE ONE IN ROUND ROCK WITH THE WATER BRICK MM-HMM. BREAK ONE ALSO IN GEORGETOWN. AND SO WE, WE STILL HAVE THOSE UP NOW SHOWING PHASE TWO. WE DON'T IMMEDIATELY JUST TURN THOSE OFF ONCE WE DOWNGRADE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT AWARENESS OF NOW THAT WE'RE DOWNGRADING, WE DID THAT, UH, EARLIER TODAY, BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP THOSE UP FOR ANOTHER DAY OR TWO THAT YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UM, HOW BAD IT IS OR HOW URGENT IT IS. SO, AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT TOO. SO, AND, AND MIKE CAN PROBABLY FILL THIS GAP IN TOO. AND, AND, AND DAN, SO THAT WEEK, BECAUSE STATEWIDE WE WERE HAVING THE HEAT ISSUES, SO HEADING INTO THAT WEEK, UNRELATED TO THE PUMP, BUT JUST OUR GENERAL REALLY WATCHING THE SYSTEM KNOWING THAT YES, RELIABILITY YOU CAN HAVE ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S HOT. AND THEN ALSO YOUR TANK FILLING. SO THIS WAS THE FIRST EXTENDED PERIOD WHERE THAT HEAT WAS AN ISSUE. AS Y'ALL PROBABLY REMEMBER MOST OF Y'ALL, I WAS SENDING OUT UPDATES EVERY DAY ABOUT WHERE WE WERE, HOW CLOSE WE'RE GETTING PERCENTAGE WISE. SO KNOWING THAT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER WATER CUSTOMERS ATTACHED TO US, AND ALSO KNOWING THAT WE DO HAVE LIMITED STORAGE CAPACITY, WHEN WE HAD HIT OVER 72%, WE INTERNALLY PULLED THAT TRIGGER TO HAVE EVERYTHING SET UP TO GO AHEAD AND ISSUE A NOTICE TO IF SOMETHING WERE TO FAIL. AND WE DIDN'T NOTE THAT THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IF SOMETHING WERE TO FAIL, WE WERE GONNA BE READY TO DO THAT. SO WE DIDN'T ENTER A BOIL WATER NOTICE IF YOU KIND OF LOOKED AT THE, AT THE DATA LIKE THE KAUFMAN. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DATA, AND I THINK THAT'D BE A SEGUE INTO THAT, MIKE, IS THAT YEAH, WE'RE TEASING IT, BUT IT'S COMING. THAT, THAT I DO THINK BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A FAILURE AND, AND YES DAN, WE CAN CALL HIM DEMANDING. DAN AND I, I THINK, I THINK KAREN MENTIONED THAT IN A GOOD WAY, DAN IS, IS SHOOTING FOR THE BEST FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. SO HE KEEPS IT ON THE FOREFRONT INTERNALLY WITH US. THE SYSTEM IS EVERYTHING. THE SYSTEM IS IS FOR THE PEOPLE AND IT'S, [01:45:01] IT'S, IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ON TOP OF IT. SO WE KIND OF OPERATE, NOT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ON EGGSHELLS ALL THE TIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE WANNA BE PREPARED AND OVER-PREPARED. SO THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH, WITH A REPAIR LIKE WE HAD LAST YEAR IS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW TWO WEEKS AHEAD WHEN IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, RIGHT? SO WE DIDN'T DRAG EVERYTHING OUT, WE COULDN'T GET AS MUCH, BUT WE GOT OUR PUBLIC MESSAGES READY AND WE SAW IMMEDIATE COMPLIANCE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LAST REPAIR. UH, WE WERE WITHIN 48 HOURS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR AND A HALF MILLION GALLON ROUGHLY IMPROVEMENT. SO I'M GONNA STOP TALKING CUZ THIS WILL GO ON ALL NIGHT. WELL, LET ME, I'LL, I'LL ADD TO THAT. UM, JUST TO SAY AS FAR AS ME MESSAGING GOES, UM, PRIMARY DIFFERENCE WAS WE KNEW WHEN THE REPAIR EVENT, UH, LAST FALL WAS, WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. WE WERE LEADING RIGHT UP TO THAT START DATE. WE HAD A GOAL IN MIND. WE COULD CLEARLY COMMUNICATE, UM, WHAT WE WANTED THE PUBLIC TO DO AT THAT TIME. LIKE ANY OTHER EVENT, WHEN WE HAVE THESE BULLET WATER NOTICE, UH, UH, ISSUES OR WE'VE HAD THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PUMP FAILURE ISSUE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO FIX. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE FALSE HOPE AND MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT WE HAVE A DEADLINE WHEN WE REALLY DON'T. WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT COULD GET WORSE, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA ELICIT PANIC BY BEING TOO STRONG WITH THE MESSAGING AND UNCERTAINTY WAS INTENTIONAL WITH OUR MESSAGING. UM, NOT PROVIDING A DEADLINE UPDATES AS BEST WE COULD WHEN THERE WAS NEW INFORMATION TO SHARE. AND LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, AS SOON AS PEOPLE KNOW THEY HAVE TO CUT BACK ON SOMETHING, THEY WANNA KNOW IMMEDIATELY, WELL HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET OUTTA THIS? WHEN DO WE GET OUTTA THIS? I WANNA KNOW. I WANT TO KNOW. I WANT TO KNOW. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT INFORMATION READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE'RE COMMUNICATING. I WANNA SWITCH TOPICS. , THIS IS, SO, UM, MS. BUNDY, THIS PROBABLY IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, MAYBE DAN YOU MIGHT WANNA JUMP INTO, BUT GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE LIST OF PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING, THE ONE THAT PIECE THAT STUMPS ME A LITTLE BIT AND I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON IS THAT $2 MILLION FOR THE TURNOFF VALVES FOR LEANDER. I'M, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT AND WHY LEANDER, IF WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AND THERE NEEDS TO BE TURNOFF VALVES, WHY WOULDN'T THERE BE TURNOFF VALVES FOR ALL CITIES INVOLVED? UM, I'M, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THAT PIECE OF THINGS. SO CEDAR PARK, UM, WHEN THEIRS WAS BUILT, THEY HAD THE CONTROL VALVES, UM, FLOW CONTROL VALVES, THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIRS NOW. ROUND ROCK HAS A WAY TO CONTROL FLOW. UM, BUT UM, THEY PROBABLY NEED TO DO SOME, UM, MODIFICATIONS AS WELL. UM, THERE WAS A THOUGHT PROCESS OF, OF STANDARDIZING THE SYSTEM AND UM, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY BACK AWAY FROM THAT, BUT LEANDER DOESN'T HAVE, UM, THOSE FLOW CONTROL VALVES, MEANING THAT IF OUR CONTRACT AMOUNT IS, IS 15 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THEN THE CONTROL VALVE IS SET AND, AND THEN YOU CAN'T EXCEED IT. UM, IF YOU, IF, IF YOU WANNA SAY. AND SO, UM, AND, AND TO GET THOSE ESTABLISHED, CUZ WE HAVE THREE TAKE POINTS, UM, WE HAVE TO DO MODIFICATIONS NOT ONLY TO THE VALVES AND MOSTLY RONALD REAGAN, UM, TAKE POINT, UM, BUT TO THE VALVES AND TO THE SCADA SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY OPERATE CORRECTLY. WAS THERE A REASON WHY THAT WASN'T DONE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN IF THE OTHER TWO CITIES ALREADY HAD IT? DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT KNOW. OKAY. UM, I CAN CERTAINLY, I CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT. UM, I MEAN I DIDN'T REALIZE THE OTHER TWO CITIES HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR ALREADY BECAUSE FROM WHERE I WAS SITTING, I WAS LIKE, TIME OUT HERE. MM-HMM. UM, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT LAND IS THE MAJORITY OF NO STILL MINORITY, BUT THE MAJORITY OF B C R UUA, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE GOT THE SEAT AT THE TABLE AND THAT WE'RE I GUESS WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES AND MAKING SURE, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE ANY, ANY OF THE CITIES SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO GO, HEY, WE'RE TURNING OFF YOUR WATER TODAY. BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES AND THAT'S WHERE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MANY PROJECTS COMING AND IN THE SCOPE OF THESE PROJECTS, $2 MILLION IS A BIT OF A DROP IN THE BUCKET . BUT, UM, NO, YOU KNOW, IF $2 MILLION IS NOT A JOB BUDGET, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WITH THESE GIANT PROJECTS, BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY WISELY AND IF THEY'RE, AND IF THAT $2 MILLION WOULD BE BETTER SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE, UM, WITH THE INTENT THAT MAYBE THOSE DOSE DO GET PUT IN AT SOME POINT IF IT MATCHES ALL THE CITIES. I DON'T KNOW, JUST SO, [01:50:01] MAN, YOU PUT ME IN A TOUGH SPOT MM-HMM. . SO, UH, THE OC GROUP, UM, DOES AT TIMES STRUGGLE ON PRIORITIES. AND IF YOU'RE ASKING DAN SBO HIS OPINION, DAN SBO DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE CONTROL VALVES ARE OUR PRIORITY RIGHT NOW. UM, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE THAT COULD BE DONE AND KAREN BROUGHT UP SOME REASONS WHY CERTAIN THINGS WEREN'T DONE, BUT FOR THOSE VERY REASONS THAT THEY WEREN'T RUN, UM, THAT MAYBE ONES THAT WERE RUNNING LONGER THAN THE OTHER AND OTHER THINGS, THEN ACTUALLY MORE MAINTENANCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ON 'EM. MEANING THAT MORE CARE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF THOSE PUMPS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T BEING RUN THE WAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE. SO MORE THOUGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF ON THOSE PUMPS. WELL THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THE PLANT THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE SIMILAR AND THAT'S WHY AS A GROUP, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THAT, AND I REMINDED THE GROUP THAT IN FOUR YEARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE $500 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE, A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PHASE, THAT IS PHASE ONE A AND B THE FIRST ONE, THEN PHASE C, THEN PHASE D, AND THEN THE DEEP WATER INTAKE AND THEN PHASE TWO A AND WHEN ALL THAT GETS DONE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HUGE PUMP STATION AND A MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND SEVERAL FOOTPRINTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE WATER PLANT. AND UM, AND A LOT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THREE CITIES. CUZ YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE CITIES TAKING RAW WATER, UH, WHEN NOT THREE CITIES, TWO CITIES AND THE PLANT, UM, CEDAR PARK'S GONNA BE TAKING 26 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING 12. UH, AND THE PLANT'S DESIGNED FOR 1 0 6, THAT'S A HUGE PUMP STATION, RIGHT? 144 MILLION GALLONS. AND THEN THE PLANT'S GONNA BE PROVIDING THREE CITIES, UH, TREATED WATER AND WHEN IT GETS BUILT OUT, WE'RE GET 50 MON ROCKETS, 40 AND CEDAR PARK GETS 15. AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, A LOT OF COORDINATION. SO SOME OF THESE OTHER PROCESSES I THINK, UM, SHOULD COME ON, WHICH IS CONSTITUTES GETTING STAFFING. UM, CEDAR PARK WAS PART OF THE MAINTENANCE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, KAREN KIND OF STATED IT, IT WAS A KIND OF AN ADD NEED BASIS AND IT WASN'T REALLY A, PROBABLY A GOOD PROGRAM IN PLACE AND THEY HAD THEIR OWN THINGS TO TAKE CARE OF. AND SO IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A HIT OR MISS MORE THAN IT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. THE PLANT WAS PROBABLY IN A LITTLE BIT OF A, I I WOULD SAY, AND I'VE USED THIS WORD BEFORE, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, OF FAULT SECURITY THAT IT WAS ONLY RUNNING IN HALF DAYS AND SO IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS BEING USED. UM, BUT IT'S LIKE ANY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU DON'T REALLY USE PROPERLY, IT ACTUALLY THEN NEEDS MORE CARE. RIGHT. YOU ACTUALLY GOTTA GO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, THINGS ARE TURNED AND TURNED ON AND, AND SO FAR IT'S LIKE LEAVING YOUR HOUSE AND TURNING EVERYTHING OFF. WELL GUESS WHAT, WHEN YOU COME BACK IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE JUNK. YOU DIDN'T USE IT, BUT IT'LL BE FULL OF MOLD AND, AND BUGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T USE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN WHAT WE CALLED IN THE NAVY, UM, PROPER WET LAYUP, MEANING THAT YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT PUT IN A POSITION THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO ITSELF EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BEING RUN, UM, KIND OF THING. SO, SO SOME LESSON LEARNED THERE. UM, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION FOR ME. OKAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, RELATED TO THE SAME THING. HAS THERE BEEN A TIME IN HISTORY OF B C R U A WHERE THOSE TURNOFF VALVES HAVE HAD TO BE USED FOR ROUND, ROUND ROCK OR SUTA PARK? WOW. OKAY, SO, SO THE, THE, THE PLANT WAS INITIALLY DESIGNED, UM, AND, AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY AND, AND I'VE READ YEAH, A LOT OF IT. AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT. SO THE PLANT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR A PEAKING FACTOR OF LIKE 1.6 MM-HMM. , AND YOU CAN READ THAT IN CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE ENGINEERING, UM, REPORT. BUT FOR THE SAME REASON WHY THE CLEARWELL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE GALLON, IT WENT TO FOUR WHILE THE RAW WATER LINE MAYBE MATERIAL GOT CHANGED, OTHER THINGS, UM, UH, DECISION WAS MADE, AND KAREN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT THE CITIES WOULD KIND OF TAKE CARE OF THE PEAKING FACTOR PART, MEANING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE PUMPING STATIONS OR, OR STORAGE TO DO, AND THE PLANT WOULD NOT AS TO SAVE COST. BECAUSE IN THE DAY, UM, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 250 MILLION FOR THE DEEP WATER INTAKE, ANOTHER 50 MILLION FOR THE PHASE TWO A. UM, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY SPEND SIX OR 7 MILLION ON WALL. IT STARTS TO ADD UP REALLY FAST, RIGHT? AND THE 2 MILLION FOR THE CONTROL VALVES PROBABLY IS, YOU KNOW, SMALLER THAN THAT. BUT SO HARD DECISIONS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE. EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE 'EM IN ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU PREVENT SCOPE CREEP AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO PREVENT, UM, UM, TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING AT A COST THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD. AND AT THE TIME, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE CASE. SO THEY MADE SOME HARD DECISIONS TO DO THAT. SO NOW WE HAVE A PLAN THAT, UM, AND WE MADE AN AMENDMENT TO AMENDMENT SIX THAT WE HAVE A PEAKING FACTOR OF ZERO. WELL, THAT'S DIFFICULT TOO, [01:55:01] BECAUSE IF YOU ONLY GET 15 MILLION GALLONS OF THE DAY AND YOU DON'T EVER GO ABOVE IT, UM, AND, AND IF YOU CAN STAY RIGHT AT IT, UM, THEN YOU REALLY NEVER GET YOUR FULL CONTRACT AMOUNT. YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME ROOM THERE. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND SO IF WE HAD A PEAKING FACTORY OF EVEN 1.2 AND WE HAVE SOME REPORTS THAT INDICATE THAT WE COULD DO THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, UM, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP US, UM, RECOVER AND FILL OUR TANKS QUICKER WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A HARD NIGHT CUZ EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO WATER THE NEXT DAY. IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD KIND OF EXCEED THAT, THAT AMOUNT, WE WOULDN'T EXCEED THE 15 THROUGHOUT THE DAY, 24 HOUR PERIOD. BUT THERE MIGHT BE SHORT PERIODS OF TIME WHERE, AND EVERY PLANT'S DESIGNED NO EIGHT WASTEWATER PLANTS ARE TOO, BECAUSE THEY TAKE IN ACCOUNT, UH, I, I UH, INFILTRATION, UM, AND FLOWS FROM RAIN AND OTHER THINGS. SO YOU DON'T BUILD A WASTEWATER PLANT TO COLLECT A MILLION. YOU HAVE A PEAKING FACTOR OF SAY THREE. SO YOU DESIGN IT FOR A RAINSTORM OR LIKE IN NEW YORK, WHEN EVERYBODY, AND THIS IS KIND OF A WASTEWATER JOKE, BUT IT'S IT'S TRUE. AND THE STORIES ARE ON IT, YOU CAN GO LOOK IT UP. BUT DURING THE SUPER BOWLS ON THE BREAK, EVERYBODY WOULD GO USE THEIR RESTROOM AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, LITERALLY, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE A HUGE PEAKING FACTOR RIGHT THEN AND THERE CUZ EVERYBODY'S USING IT ALL AT ONCE. UM, AND THE NEW YORK, UH, WASTEWATER PLANTS WOULD GET OVERRUN LITERALLY. SO, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH THIS PLANT. IT HAS A ZERO PEAKING FACTOR CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW. AND, AND WE HAVE TO CONTRACT CONTRACTUALLY, UM, ALL THREE CITIES TO HONOR NOT ONLY OUR CONTRACTUAL AMOUNT, WHICH CURRENTLY FOR LEANDER IS ABOUT 15 MILLION, BUT CONTRACTUALLY NOT EXCEED A PEAKING FACTOR OF ANY KIND. SO, SO THAT IS A DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S A REALLY LONG ANSWER. AND IF I'M, BUT IF I'M FOLLOWING IT, THAT IS A LONG ANSWER. THAT'S OKAY. IT'S, IT'S EXPECTED, UM, THAT THERE'S, UM, THAT, BUT THAT THERE ROUND ROCK AND CEDAR PARK HAVE NOT HAD, THOSE VALVES HAVE NOT BEEN USED TO, WELL CEDAR PARKS, I, I THINK IS, IS IS SET. UM, BUT THEY'RE DURING EMERGENCIES AND, AND, AND, AND THE GENERAL MANAGER KAREN KIND OF STATED IT THAT, UM, ALL, ALL THE CITIES HAVE EXCEEDED AT VARIOUS TIMES AT ONE POINT THE PEAK, ANOTHER PEAK FACTOR AND STUFF. AND, AND THAT'S, UH, MORE OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, RIGHT. OR, OR BORROWED OR BORROWED WATER. AND, AND NOW THAT TIMES ARE LIKE THIS SITUATION, IT'S PROBABLY EVEN, UM, MORE LEANED UPON IN THAT SITUATION. OKAY. YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. UM, CAN, AND SO IT BE VALVES WOULD PREVENT, BUT IT CAN'T BE LONG TERM. RIGHT. BUT THE VALVES WOULD PREVENT LEANDER FROM DOING THAT. SO, SO WHAT, SO THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT ROUND ROCK AND CEDAR PARK ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE LARGER PLANTS THAN WE DO. SURE. ROUND ROCK HAS ONE THAT'S 50 MILLION AND CEDAR PARK IS 26. AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT, OTHER THAN RIGHT NOW WITH THE WATERLINE, THEY'RE NOT PROBABLY FULLY USING THE PLANT AND, AND I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THEM, RIGHT. STRICTLY SPEAKING ONLY, ONLY THE BEST I CAN, BUT WE CAN SEE THE NUMBERS. OKAY. I MEAN, WE SEE THE NUMBERS EVERY DAY AND UM, SO WE KNOW WHO'S USING HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH THE PLANT, PLANT CAPACITY IS. AND SO, UM, BUT BUT YOU HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE AND SO YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE. SO THE PROBLEM IS, IS I THINK THE IDEA OF THE CONTROL VALVES ARE, ARE, IF EVERYBODY NEEDED IT, THEN IT'S A CONTROLLING MECHANISM. AND, AND OKAY, WELL NO, AND I GET THAT ENOUGH. AND UM, I GUESS JUST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE REPORTS AND EVERYTHING FROM WHERE MY POINT OF VIEW IS, AND YOU CAN'T GO BACKWARDS, BUT I WAS A LITTLE BIT FLOORED TO FIGURE OUT THAT THERE WASN'T THESE MASSIVE MAINTENANCE PLANS IN PLACE AND THAT THE, THAT WE KNEW THE PLANT HAD PROBLEMS FROM THE BEGINNING. SO WHY, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S ONE PERSON'S FAULT, BUT I JUST THINK THE PLAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE. I'M GLAD THAT THINGS, THINGS WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING THAT CUZ I DON'T THINK IT CAN HAPPEN. WELL, SOON ENOUGH. AND AS WE GO THROUGH, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE STAFFING AND WE NEED TO GET THINGS, SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS. THIS WAS A NEW CONCEPT, RIGHT? AND IT'S A GREAT ONE. I, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON BOARD, I TOLD YOU THAT THIS IS YOUR PLAN, STICK TO YOUR PLAN. THE B C R A IS YOUR PLAN. GOOD PLAN. THE PROBLEM IS IT IS THREE CITIES AND THEY WERE TRYING TO CREATE AN ENTITY, A WAS SYNERGY AND A WAY TO GO. AND THERE THERE WAS PROBABLY A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, YOU JUST DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, UM, RON ROCK WAS USED TO OPERATING A SINGLE PLANT IN CEDAR PARK WAS UCI. AND SO THE IDEA OF, OF THREE CITIES COMING TOGETHER TO TRY TO CREATE, UH, AN ORGANIZATION, UM, PROBABLY HAD A LOT OF, OF, UM, LESSONS LEARNED. AND WE'RE LEARNING 'EM NOW AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN SOME IN PLACE AND, AND SOME URGENCY AND SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT, UM, [02:00:02] UH, YEAH, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS, I JUST THINK THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE WHATEVER THAT PLAN IS, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, SORT OF THE LINE IN THE SAND DRAWN IN. YOU CAN'T PROJECT EVERY EMERGENCY, YOU CAN'T, BUT IT'S HAVING THE, THE EQUIPMENT IN, IN PLACE. IT'S HAVING THE, UM, SUPPLIES WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE CAN, UM, GET THINGS FIXED AS QUICKLY AS PO WE POSSIBLE. UM, AND, AND THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE IN PLACE TO PREVENT, IF I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS IN HINDSIGHT WE COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY. AND I ONCE, AND WE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT AT J O C YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND ANY OTHER TWO CITIES WHEN WE WERE STARTING TO GET THIS POINT, UM, THEY ABSOLUTELY AGREED. AND THAT'S WHY, SO I HOPE THAT WE'RE WORKING AND, AND HOLDING HANDS AND SINGING KUMBAYA AND ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT, WE ONLY HOLD HANDS, WE DON'T SING KUMBAYA, . AND WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GET THOSE, UM, PLANS TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS IS OUR WATER AND WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY AND IT HAS HAD THE OTHER CITIES AND IT'S, UM, YEAH. SO THE, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT. SO OUR SAYING IS, AND AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU FIRST KIND OF STARTED IT AND IT STARTED SMALL, UM, AND WHEN WE TALK, THIS PLANT NEEDS TO BE AROUND FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. I MEAN THAT'S, AND, AND, AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS AND DAY TO DAY, I, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE OOC, BUT WHEN I FIRST GOT ON BOARD IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, EH, WE DON'T REALLY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE GOT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING A, A BACKUP WINTER COAT. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE IT THERE, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY WEAR IT AND YOU DON'T, IT KIND OF JUST SITS THERE AND, WELL, THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT THE OTHER CITIES AND TO INCLUDE LEANDER, CUZ THE GENERAL MANAGER PUT IT, THE PLANT WAS ONLY OPERATING, YOU KNOW, HALF THE DAY. AND SO YOU, YOU, YOU KIND OF GET IN A LULL, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF STATUS QUO AND WELL, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE HAVE FIVE LARGE PROJECTS GOING ON AND A MULTI MULTI MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS AND, UH, WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH, UM, GETTING PUMPS AND PARTS AND, AND GETTING THINGS BUILT AND, UM, ALL VARIOUS LOCATIONS. AND SO, UM, I THINK PEOPLE'S EYES ARE, ARE STARTING TO GET WIDE OPEN THAT YEAH, WE, WE NEED TO GET SOME SERIOUS PROCESSES IN PLACE. UM, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE. AND, AND I USE US AS AN EXAMPLE, LEANDER, THAT WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, IT WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EH, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SEEM TO HAVE, WE SEEM TO BE OKAY, BUT, UM, THAT FROM A WATER STANDPOINT, THAT JUST, UM, AND EVEN THE BCR THAT JUST WASN'T, WASN'T THE CASE. AND SO YEAH, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PARTIES GOING ON IN THE FOUR YEARS WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL BE UP TO PHASE TWO A AND WE'LL HAVE THE RONALD PUMP STATION ON, AND WE'LL HAVE THE TERMINUS PUMP STATION ON, AND SANDY CREEK WILL BE UPGRADED AND WE'LL HAVE SEVERAL LARGE LINES PUT IN AND WE'LL HAVE THE SAN GABRIEL ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IN AND HOPEFULLY THE HERE AWAY ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. AND, UM, AND SO BY 28, UM, LEANDER WILL HAVE 60 OR NOT, UH, 44 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND, AND BE SITTING FROM A, A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT PRETTY DARN WELL. BUT SHOULD THIS HAVE STARTED, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THREE YEARS AGO, YEAH, IT SURE WOULD'VE BEEN NICE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT GROWTH OF 12% AND 15% AT TIMES, THAT'S JUST UNPRECEDENTED. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T SEE THAT. UM, AND SO, AND GEORGETOWN IS GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME THING, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET 4 MILLION FROM RON ROCK AND YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THREE FROM US AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD THEIR 175 MILLION GALLON PLANT, 44 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND EXPAND YOUR OTHER. AND, AND SO, YEAH. UM, AND THEN LI LIBERTY HILL IS LOOKING TO US AND SAYING, OKAY, WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT PHASE TWO AON, SO WE CAN BUY SOMEWHERE FROM YOU, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WELLS AND OTHER THINGS. SO IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC AND COMPLEX SITUATION ACROSS FIVE CITIES. SO MM-HMM. COUNCIL, ANYTHING FURTHER? DO WANNA FOLLOW UP? UH, CITY MANAGER, ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS, IS THANK YOU KAREN, FOR COMING AND, UH, GINA AND DAN, AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES, YOU KNOW, CURRENT STAFF, PRIOR STAFF, ALL THE ABOVE THAT B C R U A IS, IS THE, AND THE DEEP WATER INTAKE IS THE PLAY. AND, AND I THINK WE KNOW FROM THE GROWTH RATE THAT WE GOTTA WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND JUST THANK Y'ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. YEP. I HAD ONE LAST THING, JUST, UH, BACK ON THE PHASE THREE. SORRY, WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH. UM, AND OUR DECISIONS GOING INTO IT, UH, LAST FRIDAY, AS I MENTIONED, WHEN I LOOKED OVER THE WATER USE THAT WE HAD SEEN OUR PEAK DAY FOR THE YEAR, WE'D SEEN 18 MILLION, UH, ALMOST BACK TO BACK DAYS. WE'D JUST COME OUT OF OUR PEAK DAY OF WEDNESDAY, WHICH USUALLY TAKES US A COUPLE DAYS TO RECOVER. UM, AS KAREN MENTIONED, WE STILL, UM, DIDN'T KNOW THE REPAIRS NEEDED ON TWO OF THE PUMPS. SO WE HAD, WE WERE, THEY WERE AT FULL CAPACITY, BUT THEY HAD NO BACKUP. SO, UM, AS WE MENTIONED IN OUR, IN OUR MESSAGING THAT, YOU KNOW, BETTER TO [02:05:01] BE SAFE THAN SORRY, AND WE HONESTLY DIDN'T FEEL CONFIDENT GOING INTO THE WEEKEND THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY JUST LOOKING AT OUR TANK LEVELS, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO I, I BROUGHT UP THE KAUFMAN ELEVATED. SO, UM, HERE'S WEDNESDAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THREE DAYS IN A ROW. UM, KAUFFMAN'S COMPLETELY EMPTY. UH, IT'S AT ZERO. SO THIS WAS GOING INTO FRIDAY. THIS WAS FRIDAY MORNING, AND GOING INTO, UM, INTO THE WEEKEND. AND WE KNEW WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT THINGS WOULD BE OKAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND, BUT AS DAN AND MIKE BOTH MENTIONED, UM, WE DID GO INTO PHASE THREE THIS DAY ON, ON FRIDAY, AND YOU COULD SEE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM, FROM FOLKS, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING FOR US. UM, I, I THREW UP HERE ALSO CUZ I KNEW THAT THERE WERE SOME, UH, TALKS OF THE GEORGETOWN TAKE POINT. UM, SO THIS IS THEIR, UH, PUMP AS THEY GO THROUGH. UM, WE DID LOSE SOME COMMUNICATIONS THERE, BUT, BUT THEY'RE TAKE, YOU KNOW, METER LEVEL, SO THEY WERE STILL TAKING WATER, UM, 900,000, 800,000 AND GOING INTO THE WEEKEND, UM, THIS WAS THEIR MONDAY. UM, AND THEY ALSO ESCALATED TO THEIR PHASE THREE AS WELL. SO, UM, THEY SAW THE SIMILAR RESPONSE ON THEIR END AND, AND TALKING WITH THEIR UTILITY DIRECTOR OVER THE WEEKEND. THEY, THEY FILLED UP PRETTY QUICKLY TOO, LIKE WE DID. UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST CONTINUING THROUGH THIS MORNING, UM, EXACTLY THE SAME TREND YOU COULD SEE WEDNESDAY RIGHT THERE, WE TIPPED A LITTLE BIT LOWER, SO THEY'RE STILL HITTING US A LITTLE HARD ON WEDNESDAYS. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD. DAN HAD A COUPLE MORE PICTURES ON BARGE. WE'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK. SORRY, . SO, UM, YEAH, SO YOU COULD SEE THAT, UM, WHEN WE PUT THE WORD OUT THAT, UM, UM, PLUS THE RESIDENT'S HEARTS THAT THEY, THEY TOOK ACTION AND, AND DROPPED THREE OR 4 MILLION GALLONS. AND, UM, AND THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT ON OUR SYSTEM AND IT GIVES US TIME TO RECOVER, UM, AND FILL THE TANKS BACK UP. AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU SAW THE LINE, THE, THE SHORT GRAPHS WHEN WE'RE IN PHASE THREE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PEOPLE NOT WATERING AND, AND WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND, AND OF COURSE RECOVER, UM, MUCH QUICKER. UM, SO THIS IS A, A PICTURE OF THE BARGE AND, AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS, AND YOU SAW IT BEFORE, IS THAT THIS BARGE HAS FOUR PUMPS AND, UH, WHEN, UH, GINA AND STAFF WENT OUT THERE, THEY SAW THESE THREE PUMPS RUNNING AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ONE THROUGH FOUR AND THEN FIVE THROUGH SEVEN. AND THIS ONE BEING, UH, NUMBER SEVEN WAS THE ONE THAT GAVE THE, THE BIGGEST TROUBLE, YOU KNOW, TO THE LAST MINUTE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE OF THESE PUMPS. UM, I I, I THINK THAT'S JUSTIN RIGHT THERE. UM, IS IT, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S OKAY. UM, THAT'S A BROWN SHIRT. THAT WAS HARD TO TELL, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW LARGE, UH, THAT'S THE MOTOR. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PUMP MECHANISM ON DOWN AND THEN THE, THE, THE SECTION AND THE DISCHARGE LINES, IT'S A COMMON HEADER THAT DISCHARGES IT, UM, TO THE, TO THE WATER PLANT. SO, UM, ON TV, IF YOU HAD WATCHED THE NEWS, THEY SHOWED THE WRONG BARGE. UM, THEY SHOW THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION BARGE OF OUR INTAKE AT ONE POINT WE WILL GET WATER FROM THAT LOCATION, BUT, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GETTING IT FROM HERE. UM, AND SO, UH, OUR NEXT STEP IS, UM, IS TO, THIS IS EXECUTIVE SUMMARY FROM THE, UM, PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THE TEST, THE PUMPS. AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE GONNA DO IT THE, UM, UM, 8TH OF AUGUST AND THEY'RE GONNA GO IN AND CHECK THE, UH, INSTALLATION, THE WINDINGS. THEY'RE GONNA CHECK THE, UH, UM, ALL THE SENSORS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH TEMPERATURE AND, AND SO FORTH. AND, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THEY'RE ALL IN, UM, IN GOOD SHAPE OR IF WE NEED TO REPLACE ANY OF 'EM OR IF THEY'RE ON THE BORDER, THEN WE CAN START ORDERING PIECES OF PARTS AS WE NEED, UM, TO GET, TO GET READY. AND SO THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE GOOD. WE'VE ALREADY MADE CONTACT WITH, UM, UH, GEORGE, SEAN, LIBERTY HILL, AND, UM, TALKED INTERNALLY THAT, UM, THAT DATE IS GOOD AND, AND THAT THE WE'LL BE READY AND THAT THE CREW AT THE SANDY CREEK WATER PLANT HAS ALREADY EMAILED US SAYING, YEP, WE'RE READY. UM, SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'LL BE GOOD TO GO THERE. UM, SOME OF OUR PROJECTS THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, UM, UM, I, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT CUZ IT, THEY'RE SUPER IMPORTANT, BUT THE SAN GABRIEL ELEVATE STORAGE TANK, WE, WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE ROAD TO GET TO THE LOCATION. THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE KIND OF WHERE THE ROAD GOES FOR SAN GABRIEL PHASE TWO, UM, WHEN WE EVER GET THAT BUILT. BUT CURRENTLY WE'RE USING THE SAME LOCATION IN ORDER FOR, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS TO BE ABLE TO GET EASILY TO THE LOCATION SO THEY CAN START BUILDING THE ACTUAL, UM, ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE RONALD REAGAN PUMP STATION. AND, UM, I LOVE THIS DRAWING, BUT THIS WAS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT RIGHT HERE, UM, AND WHICH WAS GOOD. I'M GONNA GIVE CREDIT TO, UH, OUR PRIOR CITY ENGINEER IN BETWEEN THE THREE THAT WE'VE HAD NOW. AND THAT WAS ROSS. HE HAPPENED TO SEE THIS ON SOME AD SOMEWHERE AND HE GOES, WE SHOULD BUY THAT. I'M LIKE, YOU ARE RIGHT. AND SO WE DID. AND, UM, IT'S GONNA WORK OUT GREAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE 42 INCH LINE HERE AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS PUMP [02:10:01] STATION AND, UM, UH, WE HAVE THE DESIGN COMING FOR APPROVAL AND UH, KAY FREEZE IS THE ONE I I THINK THAT, THAT RECEIVED IT, UM, AFTER ALL THE PROCESS. AND SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS, AND IT JUST IS KIND OF AN ADDED BONUS, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO, WE OWN THE PROPERTY TO FACILITATE GETTING THE CRYSTAL FALLS, UH, PARKWAY, UM, GOING IN THE FUTURE. SO IT WAS KIND OF A TWOFOLD, FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE RONALD REAGAN TANK. SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, UH, WITH THAT. AND THEN THE FIRST PHASE WILL BE, UM, THE PUMP STATIONED WITH SOME PUMPS AND, UM, ONE TANK ONLY. AND THEN AS WE GET LARGER, UM, IT'S A PLUG AND PLAY, WE'LL BUILD A TANK AND ADD THE OTHER PUMPS AS NEEDED. AND THAT'S IT. UM, HOPEFULLY THAT WAS HELPFUL. IT WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAN I THINK WE WANTED, BUT A LOT OF INFORMATION. NO, THANK YOU FOR A THOROUGH REVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH B C R UUA AND ALSO WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS HAVE CLEAN WATER. YEAH, WE ARE TRYING HARD. YEAH. THANKS. THANK YOU TO, UH, ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT, THAT ASSISTED WITH THE ISSUES THIS WEEK. AND THANK YOU MS. BONDY FOR COMING OUT AND, UH, ALL OF THE BACKGROUND WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. I THINK WE'RE READY TO SYNC THE BAR AFTER THE TIME WAS BUILT. WE'LL INVITE YOU ALL, OH, WE WOULD LOVE TO GO. LITTLE INTIMIDATED, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO GO SEE IT. AND ESPECIALLY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF BUSINESSES THAT CUT BACK YOUR CONSUMPTION THIS WEEK. WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, WE APPRECIATE YOU WITH THAT. COUNSEL'S GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. THE TIME IS 8 32. PLEASE BE BACK AT 8 37. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION AT 8:43 PM UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, LEANDRO HISTORY HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA. WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE [ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION] ON TO CONSENT. UH, COUPLE OF NOTES HERE. UM, ITEMS 11 AND 27 HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM CONSENT AND WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. AND, UH, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 31, WHICH IS THE POLICE, UH, CONTRACT FOR THE LICENSES. WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT TO CONSENT, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ERROR. SO WE ARE GONNA CONSIDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE AND 10, AS WELL AS 12 THROUGH 26. AND ITEM NUMBER 31, MOTION TO APPROVE, SECOND MOTION. AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT. [27. Approval of the adoption of the Old Town Master Plan including the adoption of a future land use plan and map that provides guidance for appropriate land use regulations throughout Old Town, and an action plan for implementation. ] UM, A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER ON THESE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP ITEM 27 FIRST. THIS IS THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN. UM, THE PLAN HAS COME BACK TO Y'ALL. IT IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AND, UH, IN, IN MY OPINION, IT STILL HAS SOME DEFICIENCIES. YOU CAN COME UP IF YOU WANT. . GOOD EVENING, JAKE. UM, AND SO I, A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON HERE. UM, I MADE COMMENTS LAST TIME THAT, THAT I FELT LIKE LOOKING THROUGH IT, IT'S, I JUST HEAR CASH REGISTER SOUNDS IN MY HEAD. IT'S LIKE ADD ALL OF THIS PARKING AND, AND, UM, TROLLEY, LIKE EVERYTHING IS SO EXPENSIVE. AND, UM, I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? AND IT WAS, THE PLAN WASN'T FINISHED THE LAST TIME IT WAS HERE AND WE MOVED IT FORWARD AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE FINISHED BY THE TIME IT COMES TO SECOND READING. AND LOOKING AT IT NOW IN SECOND READING, I FEEL LIKE IT'S STILL NOT FINISHED. SO WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE APPENDICES. UM, THEY'RE NOT IN MY PACKET. DID ANY OF Y'ALL HAVE APPENDICES? NOPE. AND THAT, THAT COULD BE PART OF THE DISCONNECT OKAY. WITH THAT TOO. SO WE CAN, DARA WILL, WILL CONFIRM WHAT, WHAT GOT IN. OKAY. BUT I DID SEE, I SAW A COPY OF THEM OKAY. BEFORE IT WENT IN FOR APPROVAL. UH, BUT IF Y'ALL WANNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS, I'VE GOT SOME AS WELL, HAVING BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ERRORS THAT I FEEL LIKE FOR THE LEVEL OF STUDY THIS IS, SHOULD NOT BE THERE ON FINAL PASSAGE. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO REFERENCES TO APPENDIX D IN, IN THE ITEM ITSELF. UH, ONE OF THEM REFERS TO APPENDIX D AS THE PARKING ANALYSIS. THE OTHER ONE REFERS TO APPENDIX D AS OLDTOWN LEANDER ONLINE SERVICE REPORT. UM, SO THAT'S INCONSISTENT. THERE'S REFERENCES TO LEANDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHEN THEY MEAN LEANDER MIDDLE SCHOOL. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE MULTIPLE ERRORS IN THE AREA THAT TALKS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THINGS. UM, TALKING ABOUT THE GRANTS, THERE'S UH, THERE'S LINKS LISTED TO WEBSITES THAT ARE OUTDATED OR NON-EXISTENT. ONE OF THEM REFERS TO, UM, TRAVIS COUNTY C. THEY DID NOT SAY C D BG, IT WAS, UH, C B D G GRANTS CG, THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S LISTED AS. CGS. YEAH. [02:15:01] IT REVERSED, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST ERRORS THAT COULD BE FOUND ON PROOFREADING. AND THE THING IS, AND, AND I KNOW I'M BEING PICKY, BUT THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY. IT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY AND WE ADJUSTED OUR BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE RAISING MY HAND WITH THIS MANY ERRORS. AND IT MAKES ME QUESTION A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T PUT THOUGHT INTO HOW YOU ARE LISTING CERTAIN THINGS, I WONDER HOW MUCH HEART AND SOUL WAS PUT INTO THE REST OF IT. I ALSO THINK SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION STUFF IS INCREDIBLY VAGUE. UM, AND THINGS THAT I EXPECT TO, TO BE IN THE PLAN ANYWAY, LIKE FOCUS ON CREATING ACTIVITY, INCLUDING NEW BUSINESSES, PROGRAMS AND EVENTS OUTSIDE OF TRADITIONAL BUSINESS HOURS SUCH AS NICE AND WEEKENDS. YEAH, THAT'S, WE KNOW THAT LIKE WE WANT A GUIDE MAP. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO JUMP IN WITH SOME, SOME THOUGHTS HERE, BUT I WANTED TO GET ALL OF THAT, UM, WELL, AND FUNDING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY USE. CUZ SOME OF THEM ARE NOT FOR OUR COUNTY. SOME OF THEM YES. ARE NOT APPLICABLE ANYMORE. AND TH THAT TO ME IS GLARING AND NOT WHAT WE PAID FOR. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING MAYOR? IF I MAY? YES, I KNOW LAST TIME, LAST TIME I MENTIONED THE, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN MM-HMM. , AND AGAIN, AND I, I HAVE TRIED TO STAY DISTANT FROM THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN ON THE CONSULTING SIDE, BUT MY LOOK AT IT, AND I DID SPEAK WITH ROBIN BEFORE IT WENT IN, IS THAT WHEN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE WAS WRITTEN, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE, I DIDN'T SIT THROUGH Y'ALL'S SCOPING, FINAL NEGOTIATIONS, CONTRACTS, ALL OF THAT STUFF I HAD ENVISIONED RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR AMOUNT, LOW COST AND SOURCE GRANTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO THE DETAIL OF NO EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE DOING FINAL DESIGN, NO EXPECTATION, BUT YOUR LOW HANGING FRUIT, UM, LET'S SAY THE STRIPING ON BROAD STREET ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COST, COULD IT COME FROM, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND OR, OR B C T REBATE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING MAYBE SOME RESURFACING, UM, CAP METRO THAT, THAT LEVEL OF, OF INPUT, UH, SAME THING ON THE GAS LINES THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING, WORKING WITH ATMOS OR ATMOS IS DOING, UH, OR BOTH. UM, NOW WHEN YOU GET INTO OTHER THINGS, SO COMPLEXITY, IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, PARKING GARAGE WITHIN X NUMBER, YOU WOULD JUST USE, IT'S MY OPINION, IF IT'S A HUNDRED SPACES, JUST USE YOUR 15 OR 18 OR 20 PER SPACE, MULTIPLY THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DISCRETIONARY, UH, FEDERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITY OR PHASED, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OR, OR LET'S SAY PHASED FUNDING OVER TIME WITH, UH, CAP METRO B C T FUNDS. AND AGAIN, I HAVE STAYED OUT OF NOT TRYING TO GIVE THE INPUT OF THE CONSULTANTS ON THIS. I'M OKAY WITH YOU JUMPING IN. I, I THINK THIS, AND I CAN, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STUDY AND, AND WE CAN SIT SIT, WE CAN SIT AND WORKSHOP ON THAT TOO, UH, AS WELL. IF THAT, IF THAT WOULD HELP FOR CONTEXT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE HAVING PUT TOGETHER THOSE TYPE OF PLANS, ACTUALLY, UH, BACK IN A ANOTHER LIFE MM-HMM. , UM, NOW AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THEY'VE HAD, IF THINGS WERE DESCOPED IN, IN ANY AREAS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FINITE NUMBER OF HOURS. I ALSO KNOW HOW THAT IS ONCE YOU'RE WORKING BILLABLE HOURS, X NUMBER OF MEETINGS. AND IF THERE WERE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WOULD BE USEFUL IN THE PLAN ON HOW TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP, THE NEXT STEP ON SOMETHING MIGHT BE IF YOU'RE DOING, UH, UNDER FTA PARADIGM LETTER OF NO PREJUDICE OR IF THE OTHER NEXT STEP IS DESIGN THIS BLOCK FACE AND THAT BLOCK FACE AND DO IT WITH, WITH LOCAL FUNDS, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEEK CAP METRO REIMBURSEMENT TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND YOU'RE GONNA BUILD IT WITH THAT. YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING THAT AT THAT LEVEL, UM, IF IT DOESN'T BLOW UP THE BUDGET YEAH. YEAH. AND LIKE I HAVE TEENAGERS AT HOME AND THEY HAVE THIS SAYING THAT THEY DO ALL THE TIME. THAT DRIVES ME INSANE WHEN SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG. WHEN YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING, THEY SAY, WELL GET GOOD. RIGHT. AND IT'S THE WAY OF SAYING LIKE, YOU FIGURE IT OUT. AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THIS IS. IT'S LIKE, HEY, PARKING GARAGE, GO BUILD IT. UM, YOU KNOW, REEVALUATE, THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO VAGUENESS, REEVALUATE OLD TOWN'S OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS DETERMINE IF PARKING REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE ESTABLISHED FOR OLD TOWN IF EFFORTS TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING LOTS OR GARAGES [02:20:01] FAIL. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR LOTS AND GARAGES, SO WHAT IS THE PLAN? UM, SO IT'S, IT'S JUST SORT OF THOSE TWO DIFFERENT PARTS THAT I, I STRUGGLE WITH. SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE SPECIFICS AND JUST LIKE, HOW DO WE GET THERE? I GET THAT WE NEED TO REEVALUATE ALL THE TIME, BUT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? HOW ARE WE ADDING, UM, FOOT TRAFFIC? YES. ONE THING I WOULD SAY, I GUESS I'M ON LIKE, I'M JAKE GOOD KINGS MCKINLEY HORN. HELLO. HI. UM, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, IF I CAN KIND OF CHARACTERIZE SOME OF THE SUMMATION OF THINGS IS, UH, IT'S MORE OF A VISION WITH SOME HIGH ARCHING GOALS, BUT WE NEED SPECIFICITY WITH SHORT TERM ACTION. RIGHT. IT BECOMES VERY, IT'S RETOOLING, IT BECOMES VERY OVERWHELMING WHEN IT'S JUST GOALS, RIGHT? OR, OR A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, 60 THINGS WITH DIFFERENT DOLLAR SIGNS. YOU MAY WANT TWO OR THREE IN A CATEGORY. CORRECT. THAT'S ACHIEVABLE. CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY IT. BECAUSE AS YOU SEE, OUR PREDECESSORS DID, WELL Y'ALL WERE HERE WHEN, WHEN BRUSHY WAS DONE, RIGHT? WHERE Y'ALL HAD HAD JU HAD I WAS HERE AT THE TAIL END OF IT. YEAH. BUT OF COURSE WAYNE WAS AND OTHERS. YEAH. AND, UH, GINA MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN HERE FOR PART OF IT. AND SO THAT WAS A MAJOR UNDERTAKING. YEAH. THE GAS LINE. AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS DOING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT, AT THE DRAINAGE AND ALL THOSE ISSUES, AND MAYBE HAVING EVEN OUR C I P GROUP LOOKING AT WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLAY AND THAT THE ORDER OF THINGS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE NOTICED THE CREWS THAT ARE OUT DOING WORK AT MOSTS OUT DOING WORK AND DOING BORES. AND SO AFTER CERTAIN THINGS ARE DONE, YOU THEN GO TO YOUR NEXT PHASES. LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS TEAR THINGS UP TWICE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE PARK TOO. SO SINCE WE HAVE FINITE RESOURCES, AGAIN NOT TO MICROMANAGE AND YOU KNOW, KIMLEY HORN IS, IS ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE. I KNOW YOU Y'ALL WHO, WHO ALL DO Y'ALL HAVE AS SUBS? Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAD GOODMAN? OH YEAH, WE HAVE GOODMAN CORPORATION FOR SOME OF THE PARKING STUDIES, UH, ON THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S ONLY ONE WE HAD WAS THAT IT? OKAY. IT WAS JUST A GROUP OF US TWO. YEAH. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, FOUR JOBS BACK, I WORKED FOR GOODMAN AND I, I'VE SPECIFICALLY STAYED OUT OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. I'VE STAYED OUT OF THE, THE PLANNING PROCESS, EVEN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, KNOWING THAT THEY WERE SOLICITING COMMUNITY INPUT TOO. AND I THINK PART OF THIS, AND PART OF THE CONUNDRUM Y'ALL MAY HAVE HAD, JUST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD ANECDOTALLY, IS THAT THERE WERE KIND OF SOME CONFLICTING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. WE WANT A GARAGE, WE DON'T WANT A GARAGE OR WE DON'T WANT A GARAGE THAT OVERWHELMS THINGS OR WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE GARAGE SHOULD BE. I EVEN THINK IF WE LOOK AT, LET'S TAKE THE TROLLEY PIECE, HAVING IMPLEMENTED THE RUBBER TIRE TROLLEYS AND THE PROCUREMENT OF THEM IN GALVESTON WITH HOTEL MOTEL FUNDS, I THINK WE WOULD EVEN LOOK AT A STAGED PLAN THAT AS THESE RESTAURANTS ARE DEVELOPED AND ALL OF THE PARKING CAPACITY IS FILLING UP AFTER THE BROAD STREET THAT WE WORK WITH CAPITAL METRO AND IT'S MAYBE IN A, MAYBE IT'S EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS, LET'S SAY THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, THAT IF ONCE THIS PARKING CAPACITY HITS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM AND MAYBE ONE OF THE PICKUP BUSES IS ACTUALLY RUNNING BACK AND FORTH YES. TO AN EXISTING ASSET. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE COULD DO. THAT'S THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. I DO THINK, NOT TO USE THE, IF YOU GET RUN OVER FOR A BUS THING, BUT I THINK PART OF OUR JOB HERE IS TO MAKE SURE, CUZ WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S AN ELECTION AGE, ALL OF US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL AGING. WE NEED TO LEAVE THE PLAN OF ACTION WITH EACH THING WE DO. SO THOSE THAT FOLLOW US HAVE AN EASY ROADMAP AND THE OVERLAP OF COUNCILS. AND SO IT STAYS ON THE SAME CRITICAL PATHWAY FOR SUCCESS. CUZ IT'S A MULTI-YEAR, IT WILL BE A MULTI-YEAR EFFORT. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK WHEN YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN IN THE WAY THAT IT STARTS OUT, IT TALKS ABOUT IT BEING A 2050 YEAR VISION. RIGHT. IT'S A LONG TERM. SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ALSO SET UP, LIKE THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE AFTER A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF'S DONE. BUT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS NEEDED IS DON'T JUST TELL US ALL THE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FIRST PRIORITIZED YEAH. SEQUENCE IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. TIED IT ALL TOGETHER. WHAT ARE THE LITTLE WINS? YEAH. HOW DO WE GET THERE? YEAH. AND, AND I, I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME PARTS THAT ARE STRONG AND GREAT. I STILL LOVE THE DIFFERENT ZONES THAT YOU HAVE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OLD TOWN HAS BEEN MISSING. WE TEND TO THINK OF IT ALL AS JUST ONE BIG THING. WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WHO'S GONNA GO OVER TO THE EAST SIDE? UM, BUT THINKING OF IT AS DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE CHARACTERISTICS, I THINK IT'S GREAT. UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALL TERRIBLE. THERE'S JUST THESE PARTS OF IT THAT, THAT WE WANNA SEE DEVELOP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO WORK ON THIS? SO I'LL PLAY THIS IN TERMS OF COUNCIL MEETINGS, , UM, MY THINKING IS THIS IS THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IN JULY. I THINK WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING IN TIME FOR POSTING FOR THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IN AUGUST. SO A MONTH WE'LL HAVE IT BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THE POSTING SO Y'ALL CAN SEE IT ADVANCE. [02:25:01] AND SO, SO JAY, SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT ASK IS ONCE IT'S DONE, UM, THESE LAST TWO, WE'VE HAD SIX DAYS TO REVIEW. RIGHT. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO HAVE TWO WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN ALL DIVE IN BECAUSE WITH SIX DAYS IT CAN GET AWAY FROM YOU REALLY QUICK. AND I DON'T THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS HAD TROUBLE AT TIMES GETTING THROUGH ALL OF IT. IT'S 105 PAGES . RIGHT. WITHOUT THE APPENDICES. RIGHT. UM, SO, UM, HOW, HOW SOON DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT TO US WITH A TWO WEEK? SO I WOULD SAY IF IT'S A TWO WEEK, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL HAVE AMPLE TIME AND WITH POSTING DEADLINES, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. STAFF WILL WANNA LOOK AT IT AS WELL, ANY OF THE CHANGES. SO I THINK MAYBE WE TARGET THE, THE FIRST IN SEPTEMBER COUNCIL MEETING. DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE? YEP. AND, AND I, AND I NEED TO, AND JAKE, WHY DON'T WE COORDINATE ON SCHEDULE BECAUSE I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT PART OF AUGUST WHERE I'M TRAVELING, UH, SEEING RELATIVES AND STUFF THE FIRST TIME AND, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS PRE COVID, UH, WITH SOME OF MY, UH, IN-LAWS AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH OUT TO FIGURE OUT NEXT MONTH IN AUGUST, THERE'S THURSDAY, SO THERE IT IS. YEAH. SO IF WE COULD GET IT TOWARDS THE END OF AUGUST. YEAH. UH, WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK? I'LL BE BACK THE 14TH AND I'M, I'M LEAVING THE DAY AFTER THE THIRD MEETING ON THE THIRD, SO THE FOURTH TO THE 14TH. OH. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'VE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COORDINATE ASAP. YEAH, YEAH. AND GET ON THAT. SO I DON'T WANNA HOLD Y'ALL UP. I REALIZE I MAY BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME THINGS REMOTELY. I MAY ALSO BE IN LOCATIONS I CAN'T, JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE I'LL BE. OUR FIRST SEPTEMBER MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 7TH. IS THAT TOO TIGHT FOR US TO HAVE IT FOR TWO WEEKS? PRIOR TO THAT? NOT, NOT BACK IN THE WORLD WHEN I WAS ON THE CONSULTING SIDE. NO. I COULD HAVE PULLED IT TOGETHER. YEAH, I THINK I, WE COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO LET'S AIM FOR THAT THEN AND WE'LL DO A WORKSHOP ON THAT NIGHT. SOUND GOOD? AND I THINK THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE, AND I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE THIS, LIKE BACK WHEN I, NO, I DIDN'T HAVE HAIR BACK THEN EITHER. IS IS ALSO SOME OF THE VISUALS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE PHASES IN PIECES. I KNOW Y'ALL CAN KIND OF SHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING THIS, THIS KIND OF LIKE JUST ON THE PARKING AREA OR THE LOCATIONS AND THEN THE COST AND THEN THE TIMEFRAME AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS. REALLY WHAT I THINK IT IS, IS IT'S PROBABLY ONE EXTRA CHAPTER AT THE END. IT'S CALLED LIKE A SHORT TERM CAPITAL PLAN PLAN. IT'S A, IT'S A STRATEGIC'S A STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AT YOUR ONE YEAR, ONE TO FIVE PROBABLY. YEAH. IT'S JUST, IT'S TAKING THAT BIGGER LIST AND REFINING IT INTO A COUPLE OF THINGS, MAPPING IT OUT, TALKING ABOUT SEQUENCE OF PRIORITY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED. SOUNDS GOOD. WHAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING? AND THEN SOME CLEANUP ON SOME YOU SAYING CLEANUP OR PROOFREAD? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. PROOFREADING. I WAS ACTUALLY PROOFREADING AGAIN IN THE AUDIENCE. OKAY. IS THIS WHEN I INSERT AN AGGIE JACK? SORRY. NOPE, PLEASE DO. NOPE. . ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? SO ON THAT ONE, LET'S TAKE NO ACTION. SOUND GOOD? AND WE'LL PLAN TO SEE YOU BACK EARLY SEPTEMBER. YES. IS THAT GOOD, DARA? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ON [11. Award of Solicitation S23-003 to Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. for professional services for the US Hwy 183 Corridor Study in the amount of $500,000.00; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.] ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH IS THE 180 3 CORRIDOR STUDY, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THAT TO SEPTEMBER 21ST. I'LL SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND AND JUST, JUST TO KNOW, JUST SO I KNOW WHY TOO. YES. DO I NEED TO KNOW WHY, UH, SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THE OLDTOWN ONE BEFORE WE START ON THE NEXT ONE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [28. Conduct a Public Hearing amending the Water and Wastewater Impact Fees. Discuss and consider action on amending the Water and Wastewater Impact Fees.] ALL RIGHT. ONTO ITEM NUMBER 28, PUBLIC HEARINGS, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AMENDING THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, GRIMSBY, WELCOME BACK. I THINK. ALL RIGHT. DAN GRIMSBY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, UM, UH, THE NEXT TOPIC WILL BE THE, UM, IMPACT FEES FOR WATER WASTEWATER. AND WE HAVE WITH US, JENNIFER FROM K FREEZE, WHO'S GONNA GIVE A PRESENTATION AND KIND OF A HEADS UP, IT'S, IT WAS PUT OUT IN THE P AND Z OR THE SPECIAL COMMISSION. WE USED THE P AND Z AND THEN, AND AN ADDITIONAL PERSON FROM THE EEC J. UM, THEY WERE BRIEFED AND, UH, AND APPROVED IT AND, UH, WAS ALSO PUT OUT FOR, UM, A PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. I'M SURE THERE'S A GOOD TECHNICAL TERM FOR THAT. BUT, UM, SO FOR 30 DAYS. AND SO WE WERE HERE TODAY TO, TO BRING IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU. JENNIFER SULLIVAN WITH KAY FREEZE AND ASSOCIATES. UM, AND I HAVE A, HOPEFULLY IT'S A RATHER BRIEF PRESENTATION ON IMPACT FEES. UM, [02:30:02] I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH BACKGROUND YOU ALL HAVE ON IMPACT FEES, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS PRESENTATION WILL, WILL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. SO IMPACT FEES ARE FEES THAT ARE USED TO GENERATE REVENUE, THAT HELP PAY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO SERVE NEW DEVELOPMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, AS YOU GET NEW, UH, CITIZENS IN YOUR, UH, CITY THAT ARE COMING IN BUYING HOUSES, THESE ARE THE FEES THAT HELP PAY FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THOSE PEOPLE. UM, IT'S CHARGED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT'S A, AN ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE INTERGENERATIONAL, UH, EQUITY. THE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PAYING YOUR RATES ALL ALONG, THEY PAY IN RATES AND THEY HELP FUND ALL THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. BUT THE IMPACT FEES ARE TO HELP THE NEW PEOPLE PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. IT'S REGULATED BY STATE LAW. IT'S PART OF A CHAPTER 3 95 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AND THE CITY MAY ADOPT ANY, UM, FEE UP TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT CALCULATED. SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH AND BASED ON THE COSTS OF, UH, DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, AS WELL AS PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE, WE CALCULATE A MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE BASED ON THAT LAW. CHAPTER 3 95. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 10 YEAR PERIOD. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM NOW, 2023 TO 2033, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE THESE EVERY FIVE YEARS. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S BASED ON A FAIR SHARE COST. UM, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS MR. BRISBO MENTIONED, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE WITH AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER THAT'S YOUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY MAKE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE FEES. UH, AS MR. GRIMS BO MENTIONED, THEY RECOMMENDED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE FEE. SO AS A CITY, YOU MAY CHARGE ANY AMOUNT UP TO THAT FEE. YOU MAY CHOOSE TO, TO, UH, SUGGEST AN AMOUNT LOWER THAN THAT AS WELL. THE FEES THAT WE COLLECT FROM THE IMPACT FEE MUST BE SPENT ON PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE, THE PLAN. AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT THE FEES CANNOT BE SPENT ON. YOU CAN'T USE FEES TO PAY FOR O AND M. YOU CAN'T USE FEES TO PAY FOR PROJECTS THAT, UM, ARE REPAIRING SOMETHING. IT HAS TO BE USED ON FEES THAT ARE FOR SUPPORTING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, DEVELOPERS, IF THEY CONTRIBUTE, THEY CAN BE, UH, UH, ACCREDITED FOR WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE, AND THE CITY CAN ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITH DEVELOPERS. THE FACILITIES, UH, FUNDED BY THE FEES ARE WATER SUPPLY, WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER PUMPING STORAGE OF YOUR WATER, AND THEN ANY MAJOR TRANSMISSION LINES, EITHER WATER DISTRIBUTION OR WASTEWATER COLLECTION. SO THIS KIND OF GOES, THIS SLIDE EXPLAINS HOW I GO THROUGH, UH, THE, UM, CALCULATION ITSELF. SO WE FIRST LOOK AT THE COST OF EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS. SO YOU HAVE ALL KINDS OF FACILITIES THAT ARE OUT IN YOUR SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON. SO WE LOOK AT THAT COST AND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS AVAILABLE TO SERVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN IN THESE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND THEN WE LOOK AT PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. YOU KNOW, ALL THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S COMING IN, ALL THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE DOING. THE, THE, THE PROJECTS WITH THE B C R UA, WE INCLUDE A PORTION OF THOSE COSTS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE PORTION OF THE COST THAT'S SUPPORTING THAT DEVELOPMENT. WE CAN ADD IN THE COST OF THE IMPACT FEE STUDY ITSELF, AND WE COME UP WITH A SUBTOTAL OF ALL THOSE. UM, THEN WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT, HOW MANY CUSTOMERS, HOW MANY LUE. LUE IS A LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT IS ESSENTIALLY ONE HOME, HOW MANY LUE WE'RE EXPECTING IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. YOU DIVIDE THAT, YOU DIVIDE THAT TOTAL AMOUNT BY THOSE NUMBER OF ES AND YOU GET A COST PER L U E, THEN WE HAVE TO DO A CREDIT CALCULATION. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN EITHER USE 50% OF WHAT YOU CALCULATED OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH YOUR FINANCES AND LOOK AT WHAT DEBT THAT YOU HAVE AND HOW THAT'S BEING SUPPORTED. AND THAT'S HOW YOU CALCULATE YOUR MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IMPACT FEE. SO, UM, I WANTED TO GO OVER YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WE'RE HERE CONDUCTING THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING COVERS BOTH LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE C I P AND THE IMPACT FEE ADOPTIONS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY, UM, PROGRAM UPDATES. AND THEN YOU ALL ADOPT THE IMPACT FEE RESOLUTION AND UPDATE THE REVISIONS AS NEEDED. AND YOU DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF THE COLLECTED FEES. [02:35:01] SO AS I SAID, I'VE GONE AHEAD AND CALCULATED THE MAXIMUM IMPACT FEE. YOU CAN DO ANY AMOUNT UP TO THAT. SO THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, LOOKS AT THE SERVICE AREA THAT, THAT THE SYSTEM SERVE. IT LOOKS AT POPULATION, IT LOOKS AT LAND USE, AND THEN MAKES ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE CURRENT CONDITIONS IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. WE, UM, SORRY TO GO BACK FOR, UH, I THINK I DIDN'T GO BACK. I THINK I WENT TWICE. SO, UM, WE USE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM YOUR, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO LOOK AT THE LAND USE. UM, AND THEN WE GOT THE POPULATION INFORMATION FROM THE CITY, YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. UH, IT'S AN INVENTORY, LIKE I SAID, OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES AND THEN ALSO LOOKS AT THE PROPOSED FACILITIES. UM, THE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS PERFORMED BY A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. UM, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE CAPACITY THAT IS TO SERVE THAT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE GROWTH DURING THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND THEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE BEYOND THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO YOU COME UP WITH THAT AMOUNT TOO. THAT'S PART OF IT, BUT YOU CAN'T INCLUDE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE COSTS. SO YOU COME UP WITH A COST PER UNIT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO THE CREDITS THAT I MENTIONED, UM, THE CREDITS ARE TO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE RATE PAYMENTS. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, INSTEAD OF DOING THE WHOLE CREDIT CALCULATION, YOU CAN JUST CUT THE IMPACT FEE IN HALF. AND THEN THE IMPACT FEES MUST BE TIED TO THE COST TO SERVE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS YOUR SERVICE AREA. UH, THE GREEN OUTLINE IS YOUR WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA. THE BLUE IS YOUR WATER SERVICE AREA. UM, WE WERE ALSO SHOWING LEANDER TJ, UH, ON THERE AS WELL. UM, SO BECAUSE DIFFERENT, UH, CUSTOMERS HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE METERS, THIS TABLE HELPS YOU DETERMINE HOW MUCH, UH, LUE EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT METER SIZES IS. SO, UH, MOST HOMES HAVE EITHER A FIVE EIGHTS OR A THREEQUARTER INCH. THEY'RE CONSIDERED ONE L U E. UM, SOME OF YOUR LARGER COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS CAN HAVE MUCH LARGER METERS. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT SIZE THEIR METER IS, THEY WOULD BE CHARGED. LIKE IF YOU HAVE A THREE INCH COMPOUND METER THAT'S CONSIDERED 16 L LUE, SO THEY WOULD PAY 16 TIMES THE IMPACT FEE THAT WE'VE CALCULATED OR THAT YOU'VE SET. UM, THEN BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AS WELL AS THEN DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, THIS IS HOW THEIR FACTORS ARE CALCULATED FOR THOSE OTHER TYPES OF RESIDENCES. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE USE YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO, TO COME UP WITH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. AND THEN HERE'S THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS. SO, UM, THE POPULATION THAT WE HAD FOR RIGHT NOW WAS OVER A HUNDRED, 101,000 PEOPLE. UH, IN 2032, WE EXPECT IT TO BE MORE THAN 182,000. THAT CORRESPONDS TO JUST OVER 37,000 WATER L U AND SIMILAR NUMBER FOR WASTEWATER L UES. THOSE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE, UM, OF THE DIFFER SERVICE AREAS AS WELL AS, UH, YOU HAVE SOME, UH, HOMES THAT ARE SERVED BY SEPTIC. I WAS GONNA ASK ON THE POPULATION, IT'S A HEARING. OH, I THINK AT THE END WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. OKAY, . UM, AND THEN IN 2032, UH, 66,060 8,000. UM, SO THEN WE CALCULATED THE COSTS, UH, JUST FOR THE WATER SYSTEM FOR BOTH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS IS 36 MILLION. UH, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF WATER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN. THAT PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE IS, UH, 268 MILLION. AND HOPEFULLY I SAID THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT. I WILL ADMIT I'M REALLY BAD AT SAYING NUMBERS OUT LOUD. UM, I SHOULD HAVE A SIMILAR, OH, SO HERE'S THE MAP OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR THE WATER SYSTEM. UM, IF I HAD PREPARED A REPORT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL GOT THAT REPORT, BUT THIS MAP IS INCLUDED IN THAT REPORT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS SO FAR AWAY. FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WE HAVE SIMILAR THINGS. UH, THE, THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE [02:40:01] WAS 10.6 MILLION. UH, THE PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WASTEWATER IS 65.6 MILLION AND A SIMILAR MAP SHOWING THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. SO GOING THROUGH THE MATH, THE TOTAL COST FOR L U E FOR WASTEWATER WAS $10,396 FOR WASTEWATER. 2,475. WE DID THE CREDIT CALCULATION. AND UH, THE CREDIT FOR THE WATER IS $1,633 AND 21 CENTS. AND FOR WASTEWATER IT'S $173 AND 24 CENTS. SO HERE IS ALL THOSE NUMBERS LAID OUT IN TABLE FORM. UM, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE CREDIT CALCULATION AS OPPOSED TO JUST CUTTING EVERYTHING IN HALF BY 50%, CUZ THAT GIVES YOU A HIGHER IMPACT FEE. SO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IMPACT FEE FOR THE WATER SYSTEM IS $8,762 81 CENTS. AND FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM IT'S $2,301 AND 92 CENTS. AND THEN WE HAVE A TABLE HERE THAT COMPARES WHAT YOUR, UM, EXISTING IMPACT FEE IS. AND THEN IT'S GOT YOUR PROPOSED IMPACT FEE. AND UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED IS THERE COMPARED TO THOSE OTHER ONES. SO THE TOTAL FOR BOTH OF THEM IS $11,000. 11, YEAH. $11,063. AND THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THESE OTHER CITIES. ROUND ROCK IS ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THEIR IMPACT FEE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S, THEIR $6,000 IS PROBABLY GONNA GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY. YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HUTTO, PFLUGERVILLE, THEY'RE ALL HIGHER THAN YOURS, SOME OF THEM SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. SO, WHICH WE'LL GET TO. THANK YOU UHHUH. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY. CITY MANAGER, YOU WANNA TAKE THIS ON THE 101,000 POPULATION UHHUH. . IS THAT, IS THAT BASED ON EVERYTHING UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE MOMENT AND THEN ESTIMATING THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 23? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SO Y'ALL, Y'ALL, ROBIN, DO YOU THINK WE'RE HOW CLOSE? I'M JUST, IS IT? WELL, I THINK THAT WAS SERVICE AREA, RIGHT? NOT CITY LIMITS. WAS THAT SERVICE. OKAY, SO THAT'S SERVICE AREA. SO YES. OKAY. I WANTED TO, OKAY. , I PANICKED FOR A MINUTE TOO. YEAH, I, I DID. YEAH. SERVICE AREA, NOT CITY LIMITS. SO THAT, SO THAT INCLUDES, UH, RANCHO AND BAR W AND ALL THAT. OKAY, GOT IT. COULD YOU PUT THE COMPARISON BACK UP FOR THE SURROUNDINGS? I COULDN'T SEE IT AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN OUR YEAH, IT'S NOT IN OUR PACKET. NO, SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. SURE. ANYBODY ELSE? WHAT IS OUR MOTION HERE? WE JUST NEED TO, UH, APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO AMEND THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES TO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. I'LL SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PASS IS UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD TO SEE THESE UPDATED. [29. Conduct a Public Hearing amending the City’s building codes by the adoption of Table 1004.1.2 regarding maximum floor area per occupant and Table 1004.5 maximum floor area allowances per occupant, and Section 403.2 from the 2021 International Building Code; adoption of local amendments to the Building Code and Fire Code pertaining to automatic sprinkler systems and animal housing care facilities; and to provide for related matters; Leander, Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. Discuss and consider action on amending the City's building codes as described above.] ALL RIGHT. ITEM 29, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AMENDING THE CITY'S CITY'S BUILDING CODES BY THE ADOPTION OF TABLE 1 0 0 4 0.12, REGARDING MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA PER OCCUPANT AND TABLE 1 0 0 4 0.5, MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA ALLOWANCES PER OCCUPANT. AND SECTION 4 0 3 0.2 FROM THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, ADOPTION OF LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE PERTAINING TO AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND ANIMAL HOUSING CARE FACILITIES. AND TO PROVIDE FOR RELATED MATTERS. LEANDER WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS KENNEY'S, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, GRIFFIN. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UM, THIS IS, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, FOR SOME CHANGES TO OUR BUILDING AND FIRE CODES. UM, CURRENTLY THE CITY OF LEANDER IS UNDER THE 2015 CODE PACKAGE AND, UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK, UM, FROM DEVELOPERS AND SMALL, SMALL BUSINESSES, UM, THAT [02:45:01] HAVE DIFFICULTIES WHEN, UM, THEY SUBMIT APPLICATIONS AND THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTRA RESTROOM OR A DRINKING FOUNTAIN OR A MOP SINK. UM, THERE ARE ITEMS IN THE 2021 CODE PACKAGE THAT ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. AND, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO ADOPT THE 2024 CODE PACKAGE. THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME EXTRA TIME CUZ WE HAVE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS IN HPA TO KIND OF REVIEW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAKE SURE WE'RE IN SYNC WITH OTHER CITIES. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH AN AMENDMENT TO ADOPT THOSE TABLES TO HELP SOLVE THE IMMEDIATE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH SMALL BUSINESSES. SO THESE TABLES, UM, ALLOW US TO ALTER HOW WE MEASURE THE OCCUPANT LOAD. SO IT'S GOING TO, UM, REDUCE THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL RESTROOM WHEN SOMEONE MOVES INTO LIKE AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPACE. IT ALSO, UM, ELIMINATES THE ADDITIONAL DRINKING FOUNTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND MOP SINKS. AND WE WORKED WITH, UM, BRIDGET WITH THE CHAMBER AND WE WERE BOTH VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPTION. UM, THE OTHER ITEM, UM, INCLUDED IN THIS AMENDMENT, UH, SPEAKS TO ANIMAL HOUSING CARE FACILITIES AND AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE EVENT IN GEORGETOWN. UM, THERE ARE TWO ORDINANCES. THE BUILDING CODE, UH, CHANGES WOULD TAKE EFFECT, UH, TONIGHT. AND THEN THE FIRE CODE, THEY HAVE A, A DELAY. UM, AND CHIEF IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PART. AND I'M HERE FOR BUILDING QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. YOU'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION AMENDING THE CITY'S BUILDING CODES AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY. COUNSEL, MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION. AND A SECOND, I DO WANNA SAY, UM, I LOVE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS. UH, I HAD ONE QUESTION, SORRY. IT'S, UM, IT'S UNDER THE CHANGES TO 9 0 3 0.2 0.2 0.2 ANIMAL HOUSING OR CARE FACILITIES, UH, EXCEPTIONS. ITEM NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS NOT REQUIRED IN ANIMAL HOUSING OR CARE FACILITIES SERVING A HUNDRED OR FEWER ANIMALS WHERE ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET. A, THE FACILITY IS OF ONE HOUR FIRE RESTRICTIVE CONSTRUCTION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BOUNDARY WALLS OF THE KENNEL AREA AND B, WALLS AND CEILINGS HAVE A CLASS FINISH AS SPECIFIED IN SECTION 8.03. AND C, THE FACILITY IS PROVIDED WITH A SUPERVISED FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 9 0 7 0.2, 0.2 0.2. I STILL REALLY LIKE THIS, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ANY OF THAT MEANT. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SO IT, UH, BILLY WOODROW AND FIRE CHIEF, THE, UH, THE CODES ARE ALL DESIGNED TO WORK, UH, INTERCONNECTED WITH OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE. AND SO THE REFERENCES TO THE OTHER SECTIONS ARE SPECIFIC TO WHEN, UH, ALARM SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE INSTALLED AND WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE. AND THEN THE REFERENCE NPA STANDARDS IS SAY HOW YOU INSTALL THOSE. SO, UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS WHOLE SECTION HERE SAYS IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ANIMAL CARE CENTER, THEN YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY 24 HOURS A DAY WHILE ANIMALS ARE THERE, HAVE SOMEONE PRESENT. IF YOU DON'T, THEN IT HAS TO HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 50 ANIMALS THERE, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALARM SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPER RATED, UH, FLAMMABILITY ON THE, ON THE WALLS AND SUCH. SO THAT TIES BACK TO THE, UH, RHODE ISLAND FIRE WHERE THEY HAD THE, UH, BAND THAT, UH, PLAYED AND THEY HAD ALL THE ACOUSTIC SOUND, UH, PROOFING IN THERE THAT WAS NOT FLAME RETARDANT. AND SO IF YOU'VE SEEN THOSE VIDEOS THAT THAT FIRE GREW VERY RAPIDLY. SO FROM THERE CAME OUT A, UH, UH, A STANDARD ON FLAMMABILITY ON THE WALL SURFACE COVERINGS. AND SO THIS WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE, UH, 50 PETS IN THERE THAT ARE UNATTENDED, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ALARM SYSTEM AND THE FLAMMABILITY RATINGS. IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN A HUNDRED. THEN WE ALSO SAY THAT THAT AREA THAT'S GONNA HOUSE THE ANIMALS HAVE TO HAVE A ONE HOUR FIRE RATED, UH, WALLS AROUND IT. SO, UH, THOSE ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE BUILDING CODE ON HOW TO DO THAT, UH, TO CONSTRUCT THAT PIECE. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WOULD BE IF YOU, YOU HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IF THE ANIMALS ARE ABLE TO GET TO THE OUTSIDE ON THEIR OWN. SO YOU HAVE THE DOGGY DOORS OR JUST OPEN AREAS. I DID NOT KNOW. ONE HOUR FIRE RESTRICTIVE CONSTRUCTION WAS A THING. YEP. THAT'S FANTASTIC. YEAH, ACTUALLY GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO FOUR HOUR WHILE FIREWALL RATINGS. YEP. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANYTHING ELSE? IS IT, DO WE HAVE ANY FACILITIES THAT, THAT CURRENTLY NEED THAT, THAT WOULD NEED THESE REQUIREMENTS THAT EXIST IN THE CITY? YEAH, SO, UH, THANK YOU. WE HAVE FOUR CURRENT FACILITIES. UH, TWO OF 'EM ARE VETERINARY CLINICS AND TWO OF 'EM ARE, UH, BOARDING HOUSES. AND SO THE, UM, HALF OF THEM WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE NEW ORDINANCE. WE SPOKE WITH ALL OF THEM. UH, THEY EITHER ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON GETTING IN COMPLIANCE OR THEY'RE PLANNING ON MEETING THAT WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT'S ALLOCATED IN HERE. WE ALSO HAVE THREE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THEM BEF AS THEY CAME IN [02:50:01] AND THEY WERE ALREADY ON BOARD WITH EQUIPPING IT WITH THE FIRE SPRINKLER ASSESSMENT. SO COMMUNICATION'S ALREADY GOOD THERE WITH EVERYBODY. YEP. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. AWESOME. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. MOVING INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA, [30. Discuss and consider action on Tree Removal Case TRP-23-0013 regarding removal of two (2) heritage trees and seven (7) significant trees associated with the VALPS Ronald Reagan Retail Site Development Project located at 17401 Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.] ITEM 30, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON TREE REMOVAL CASE TRP DASH 23. DASH 0 0 13 REGARDING REMOVAL OF TWO HERITAGE TREES AND SEVEN SIGNIFICANT TREES ASSOCIATED WITH THE VELPS RONALD REAGAN RETAIL SITE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS LOCATED AT 17 401 RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD, LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS, EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. GRIFFIN, WELCOME BACK. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS A TREE REMOVAL REQUEST FOR THE VELPS PROJECT. IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF RONALD REAGAN AND, UH, 2243. UM, THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, DURING THE JULY 13TH MEETING, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. UM, THIS REQUEST INCLUDES REMOVAL OF TWO HERITAGE TREES AND SEVEN SIGNIFICANT TREES. UM, STAFF HAS ALSO REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND WE AGREE THAT IT'S, UM, AN APPROPRIATE REMOVAL. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I'M AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNSEL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? YEAH, I READ THROUGH THE REPORT, SO UNLESS YOU WANT TO GIVE IT YEAH, . I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASS UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS GOOD THOUGH. YOU GOT YOUR BLOOD FLOWING LIKE IF YOU GET, IF YOU GOTTA WAIT THROUGH ALL THE REST OF THE MEETING FOR THAT. YEAH. SORRY TO STEAL YOUR GLORY. . OH, WE HAVE IT. AND, UH, WE ALREADY DID ITEM 31. SO THAT BRINGS [32. Council Member Future Agenda Items [Any deliberation of or decision about the subject of the inquiry shall be limited to a proposal to place the subject on the agenda for a subsequent meeting.]] US TO ITEM 32. COUNCIL MEMBER, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANY DELIBERATION OF A DECISION ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE INQUIRY SHALL BE LIMITED TO A PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE SUBJECT ON AN AGENDA FOR A SUBSEQUENT MEETING. COUNSEL, ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT, MOVING [33. Council Member Closing Statements.] ON. ITEM 33, COUNSEL, MEMBER CLOSING COMMENTS. PRO TEM. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. PLACE THREE. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. PLACE SIX. GOOD NIGHT. PLACE FIVE. WELL, I CAN'T RUIN THAT. GOOD NIGHT PLACE. SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN KATHRYN'S NOT HERE. THAT'S MY COMMENT. , PLACE FOUR, GOODNIGHT. ALL RIGHT, AS ALWAYS, WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO SHOP LOCAL TONIGHT. IN THE SPIRIT OF SHOPPING LOCAL, WE PICKED UP DINNER FROM HARDEE'S. REMEMBER WHEN YOU ARE OUT AND ABOUT THIS WEEKEND OR NEXT WEEK, AND IT IS TOO HOT TO COOK, UH, AND YOU'RE PICKING UP DINNER OR YOU'RE SHOPPING OR WHATEVER, UM, MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP YOUR MONEY RIGHT HERE IN LEANDER. UH, 70% OF EVERYTHING YOU SPEND STAYS LOCAL, IS WHAT ALL THE STUDIES SAY. SO KEEP UP WITH THAT, PLEASE. UM, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO CAN SERVE WATER OVER THIS LAST WEEK. I KNOW IT'S NOT FUN, IT'S INCONVENIENT, BUT, UM, WE MANAGED AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. SOME UPCOMING EVENTS FOR ACTIVE ADULTS. UH, THERE'S STILL TIME EVERYBODY. TUESDAY, JULY 25TH, WINE AND CHEESE WITH GOATS. UM, AUGUST 18TH, THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE TAKING A TRIP TO THE NEIL COCHRAN HOUSE BLACK'S BARBECUE AND THE ELIZABETH NE MUSEUM, WHICH SOUNDS SUPER FUN. UM, AND THEN MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY MORNINGS THEY'RE HAVING WATER AEROBICS FOR THE REST OF THE SUMMER. SO, UH, IF YOU WANNA COOL DOWN, LET'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. FOR ALL THE INFORMATION ON ACTIVE ADULTS, VISIT LEE TX.GOV/AAP. AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, THE LANDER PTA, CLOSED CLOSET IS, UH, STILL IN NEED OF CLOTHES AND BACK TO SCHOOL ITEMS. LAST YEAR, 667 STUDENTS WERE ABLE TO SHOP FOR OUTFITS, NEW SHOES, AND SCHOOL SUPPLIES FOR THE NEW YEAR. UM, SO IF YOU HAVE, UH, NOTEBOOKS, CLOTHES, CHOOSE WHATEVER KIDS ARE GONNA NEED, UM, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS AND ALL THE THINGS, UM, THEY ARE DOING A JULY 29TH BACK TO SCHOOL EVENT. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THEM EITHER FOR ASSISTANCE OR TO HELP AT CLOSE CLOSET AT I S D PTA COUNSEL.COM OR VISIT THEIR WEBSITE@LISDPTACOUNSEL.COM SLASH CLOSED CLOSET. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. WE ARE GONNA MOVE INTO ITEM [34. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct, to deliberate with legal counsel regarding Meet and Confer. Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding Meet and Confer.] 34, CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 1.05, TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO DELIBERATE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING MEET AND CONFER. THE TIME IS 9 26 READY? YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE RECONVENING INTO OPEN SESSION AT 11:00 PM TO TAKE ACTION AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION REGARDING MEET AND CONFER MAYOR PRO TEM, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO ACTION ITEM 35. COUNSEL IS ADJOURNED AT 11:00 PM GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.