Sep 14, 2023 P&amp;Z Commission

IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? WE'RE HERE AND MAY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, WE MIGHT HAVE PRESENT, UH, QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

UM, ONCE I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE.

UH, PLEASE COME UP, SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

MR. DANNY GARRETT.

UH, THE APPLY.

AM I ASKING THEM QUESTIONS NOW? UH, N N SIR, IT IS NOT A BACK AND FORTH.

YOU JUST GET THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, SO YOU GET TO SPEAK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT WE WON'T DO A BACK AND FORTH.

IT'S NOT A Q AND A SESSION.

UM, AND PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS INTO MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD.

DANNY GARRETT, UH, LIVE AT 2 0 5 NICHOLAS DRIVE, LEANDRE, TEXAS.

AND THE PLOT OF LAND THAT THEY'RE HAVE PROPOSED TO PUT THE TOWN HOMES ON BETWEEN MAINE AND THE RAILROAD TRACK THERE.

UH, WHAT I HAD HEARD, THEY'RE SPO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORY, UH, APARTMENTS THERE.

BUT YOU KNOW THAT SUBDIVISION BACK THERE IS ONLY A SMALL SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S ONLY 72 HOUSES IN THAT SUBDIVISION.

AND THE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT ANYTHING OVER TWO STORY, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET HAVE NO PRIVACY AT ALL.

I MEAN, THEY'D BE ABLE TO SIT IN THEIR, UH, HOUSE AND SEE EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THEIR BACKYARD, SEE EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THEIR HOUSE UNLESS THEY KEPT THE BLINDS CLOSED.

PLUS IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THOSE HOUSES ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL TO NEW OWNERS IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY, UH, IF THEY HAD FOUR STORY APARTMENTS.

SO OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE SUBDIVISION, WE WOULD NOT NOT WANT TO SEE ANYTHING OVER TWO STORY GO IN THAT STRETCH OF LAND THERE ACROSS MAIN BEFORE YOU GET TO, UH, MAIN THERE, I DON'T CARE.

Y'ALL PUT WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT RIGHT UP BACKING UP THAT SUBDIVISION, WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED ANYTHING OVER TWO STORY ABOUT IT.

MR. RICHTER, IF YOU'LL SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU MR. GARRETT.

UM, CHERYL RICHTER.

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HELLO, MY NAME IS CHERYL RICHTER AND I LIVE AT 3 3 7 EAST BROAD.

THIS I LIVE IN, UH, THE VILLAGE AT LEANDER STATION, UM, EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE A NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT CP 2 2 0 1 2.

WE OPPOSE THE THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS PRO PROPOSED IN PARCEL R 0 3 1 3 2 3.

NOW, I DON'T SEE THE PARCEL NUMBER UP THERE, BUT I SAW IT ON ANOTHER MAP ON YOUR WEBSITE SO THAT, UH, YEP, RIGHT THERE.

SEE THAT ON THE RED, THE R.

ALRIGHT.

UM, WE DO NOT WANT A THREE NOR A FOUR STORY BUILDING TOWERING OVER A SINGLE FAMILY STORY.

HOMES THREE M FOUR STORY BUILDINGS WILL INVADE THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY OF OUR HOMES CAUSE A PLETHORA OF OTHER ISSUES THAT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT BRINGS.

WE FORMALLY ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER CHANGE THE PLANS FROM THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS DOWN TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO STORIES IN PARCEL R 0 3 1 3, 2 3, WHICH WOULD A AESTHETICALLY BLEND IN WITH THE SURROUNDING EXISTING CITY OF LEANDER NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE FORMALLY REQUEST ONE STORY BUILDINGS ALONG THE FENCE LINE BETWEEN THE PARCEL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WOULD MIRROR THE SIZE OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG THE FENCE.

WE RE ALSO REQUEST THAT PROPER AND ADEQUATE DRAINAGE BE INSTALLED ALONG THE FENCE LINE TO AVOID RUNOFFS IN THE YARDS OF THE HOMES ADJACENT TO THE FENCE.

SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF BUILDUP AND R ZERO THREE OR R UH, 0 3, 1, 3, 2, 3.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE HIGHER THAN WHAT OUR, UM, FOUND OR, UH, PROPERTY IS.

SO THERE HAS TO BE ADEQUATE DRAINAGE THERE ALONG THE FENCE LINE SO THAT IT'S NOT ROLLING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF THE THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO LOOK VERY ODD AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF LEANDER.

BUILDING HIGH DENSITY BUILDINGS ON THE IMMEDIATE OUTSKIRTS OF THE BOUNDARIES OF OLD TOWN REALLY CONFLICTS WITH THE VISION OF THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH SAYS THE MASTER PLAN.

THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN IS TO CREATE A MORE COMFORTABLE AND ENJOYABLE SPACE FOR ALL THOSE WHO LIVE, WORK AND VISIT OLD TOWN.

THEY'VE GOT PROJECTS TO IMPROVE STREET SCRAPE ELEMENTS, PARKS, OPEN SPACE, OLD TOWN, PARKING, PLACEMAKING, INFRASTRUCTURE, UTILITIES AND MORE.

AND I QUOTED THAT OFF THE O TOWN MASTER PLAN WEBSITE.

SO I, I JUST FIND IT IRONIC THAT THE NAME OF THIS SUBDIVISION HAS PARK IN IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING PARK-LIKE IN THE PLANS.

AND I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT'S, OH, MAN.

YOU CAN FINISH YOUR SENTENCE, MA'AM.

REALLY? I'M OKAY.

YES MA'AM.

FINISH YOUR SENTENCE.

PLEASE NOTE THERE ARE NO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN LEANDER WHERE MULTIPLE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ARE BUTTED RIGHT UP TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

LIKE IN THIS PROPOSAL, ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BUILT WITHIN SEVERAL BLOCKS OF THIS AREA ARE A MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES HIGH.

AND THEY ARE NOT BUTTED RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE FAMILY HOMES AS PROPOSED IN THIS PROPOSAL.

SO WE JUST FORMALLY ASK THAT YOU DO NOT, THEY DO NOT BUILD THREE AND FOUR STORY HOMES AND THEY KEEP IT TO TWO STORIES.

THANK YOU MR. VICTOR.

AND I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

HOW DO WE DO THAT? UH, MA'AM, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK WITH YOU AFTERWARDS, OUTSIDE, OR WHATEVER, BUT THIS, THIS FORM ISN'T DESIGNED TO BE A BACK AND FORTH.

SHOWS? SO, SO AGAIN, MA'AM, I'M SORRY, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT BACK AND FORTH.

COOL.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER MAY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS IT'S ALLOWED IN THERE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROXIMITY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE SETBACKS? SO THIS IS A, A CONCEPT PLAN, NOT THE ZONING.

SO I DON'T HAVE THAT UP YET, BUT IF WE WANNA GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION, I CAN LOOK IT UP WHILE THEY, OKAY.

AND I, I DO KNOW ON THE DRAINAGE THAT THEY CANNOT BUILD A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO FLOOD OTHER PEOPLE'S YARD.

THAT THAT IS PART OF THAT.

SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE A LARGE CONCERN.

UM, BUT I AM CONCERNED AS TO THE PROXIMITY OF, IF, IF THEY ARE GOING THREE AND FOUR STORIES HIGH RIGHT NEXT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU GUYS TO SHOW THE RENDERING THAT THEY HAVE THAT

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NOW IF THERE'S, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SEE THAT, THEN THAT'S MORE THAN, THAT'S MORE THAN FINE.

UM, BUT I'M GONNA, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER OLIVER.

WHY ROBIN STILL CONTINUES TO LOOK THAT UP.

SO COMMISSIONER OLIVER.

YEAH, SO, UM, I DID SOME, DID SOME NUMBER CRUNCHING HERE BASED ON INFORMATION WE PROVIDED.

SO WITH AN URBAN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY CALLS FOR 40 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE ABOUT 99% BASED ON, I CALCULATED.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT MIX.

NON-RESIDENTIAL, 60% UP TO 60%, YOU GOT 1% NON-RESIDENTIAL.

SO ABOUT 40, WHAT DID I CALCULATE ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE 4,400 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OR RESTAURANT IS RELATED.

UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR MAP IS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANT THAT'S BASICALLY KIND OF UP AND AGAINST MAINE.

AND TO, TO COMMISSIONER MAY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING HOW CLOSE THIS IS BUDDING RIGHT UP TO OLD TOWN, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

LIKE THE COMMERCIAL SHOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE OLD TOWN WHERE IT CAN FLOW, YOU KNOW, SEAMLESSLY AND COHESIVELY INTO THIS COMMERCIAL AND, UM, RESTAURANT DEVELOPMENTS.

AND THEN INTO THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THE TOWN HOMES AND THE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAT IS, UM, ALREADY APPROVED IN THAT AREA.

AND SO, EITHER WAY, I RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING IS WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, MULTI, YOU KNOW, URBAN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES THAT'S BEEN SPECIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO MAKE THIS PLAN BETTER BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE IN THIS MAP.

AND, AND WHAT I WILL ADD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 85% TOWNHOME IN THERE, 13% MULTIFAMILY, AND WITH THOSE 52 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT PARTICULARLY BE MORE CONVERTED TO COMMERCIAL.

AND THAT WOULD STILL GIVE YOU 85% RESIDENTIAL AND A AND A DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK COULD ALSO COHESIVELY FLOW WELL WITHIN THE OLD TOWN LEANDER MASTER PLAN.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE INITIAL CONCERNS I HAVE.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA GO TO COUNCIL AND THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND REVIEW IT.

AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WE, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT ACCORDING TO THE STATE GUIDELINES.

BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME COLLABORATION I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU HAVE WITH COUNCIL AND WITH THE MAYOR TO MAYBE REWORK THIS PLAN, AT LEAST YOUR OVERALL SITE PLAN ONCE YOU DEVELOP THAT.

AND I DUNNO IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT OR TO SHOW US WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR INTENTIONS ARE OR WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, OR, OR YOU'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET? YEAH, YOU CAN COME UP AND TALK TO THAT AND MICHAEL, IF YOU LIKE.

MY NAME'S PAT KERRIGAN.

I'M, UH, WITH THE A L J LINDSEY.

I'M THE SITE CIVIL ON THE PROJECT AND, UH, HAVE SOME TEAMMATES IN THE BACK.

AND SO, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, A RENDERING, UH, OF THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE CONCEPTUALLY WORKED OUT.

UH, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE OPEN TO OPPORTUNITIES, BUT AS YOU POINTED OUT, WE TOOK THE T FOUR AND T FIVE AND WE FELT LIKE WE EXECUTED THE T FOUR T FIVE AS WE WERE, 'CAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE, UH, ITERATIONS TO GET TO SOMETHING THAT WE FELT LIKE MET CODE.

SO I'M NOT SURE THE BEST WAY TO CONSIDER HELP.

CHECK THIS.

YOU HELP HIM OUT, COREY.

AH, EVEN BETTER.

DON'T MAKE IT HARD WHEN IT'S EASY.

RIGHT? ONE SEC.

IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR CONCEPT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SPIN.

SO HERE'S THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING TO YOUR POINT HERE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS AND, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE, UH, IS, THIS IS NOT A POINTER.

IT'S OKAY IF YOU CAN'T USE IT.

YOU GOTTA HOLD IT DOWN.

SO SPOTLIGHTING IT THERE.

THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA, UH, THAT WE HAVE IS TO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL, UH, ALONG MAIN STREET.

YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA BEING THAT THERE WOULD BE A, UH, WALKABLE, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, ESPLANADE WITH SOME, UH, STREET PARKING, UH, THERE, THAT WOULD CONNECT UP BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND, AND THEN MOTORISTS TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AT GRADE LEVEL, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, THERE WITH THE APARTMENTS BEING ABOVE THAT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, IS,

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SO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CONCEPTUALLY IN VISUALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TIMES IN TERMS OF LIKE A PARKING GARAGE AND WITH MORE COMMERCIAL AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET FROM A MARKET ANALYSIS TO, TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS OF RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING CODE AND OTHER ASPECTS, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH IN TERMS OF, OF, UH, MAKING MAIN STREET WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS INTENDED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF, UH, DUAL USE.

AND, AND THE RED, SO THE RED IS WHERE YOU'RE INTENDING THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS TO BE.

AND THEN MOST, THE YELLOW IS PRETTY MUCH GONNA BE WHERE THE TOWN HOME.

AND THEN THE GROUND FLOOR, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL IN THAT GROUND FLOOR.

IN THE RED AREA, THE GROUND, THE GROUND FLOOR IS THE COMMERCIAL WITH APARTMENTS ABOVE.

APARTMENTS ABOVE.

AND THEN, UH, YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO THE RED IN MY MIND I LOOK AT AS THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT.

AND THEN THE, THE BROWN, THE PARKING FOR THE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN FOR THE APARTMENTS ABOVE.

AND NOW ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE STILL KIND OF IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, BUT GIVEN THE, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE HEIGHT, DO YOU FORESEE ANY, LIKE, BALCONIES PER FACING THE BACK PART OF THAT PROPERTY WHERE IT'D BE LOOKING OVER AND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THAT ANSWER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BALCONY.

UM, AND THEN, UH, WELL, I, I KNOW YOU HAVE TO STILL ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE TRAIL ALONG, ALONG BRUSHY CREEK, SO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL ACRES OF PARK SPACE IN THERE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER PARK SPACE DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE WORKING WITH OR A PLAN TO WORK WITH ALONG THE BRUSHY CREEK THERE? YOU KNOW, SO WE YOU GOT SEVEN ACRES YOU SAID SET ASIDE ON THAT SECTION.

SO YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE INTEND FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, ENTIRE, UH, AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN, IN THE MAGIC IS GONE.

UH, .

IT'S OKAY.

UH, THE, UH, THE ENTIRE AREA ALONG BRUSHY CREEK WILL BE, YOU KNOW, UH, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, GIVEN THAT IT'S FLOODPLAIN TO BE AMENITIZED AS A, A TRAIL AND CONNECTIVITY.

WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS PART OF YOUR TRAIL MASTER PLAN.

RIGHT.

AND WE INTEND TO, TO CREATE THAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND CONNECTIVITY DOWN TO IT.

UH, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S GONNA BE LOWER.

IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, SO IT'LL BE DIVIDE YEAH.

LOWER AND UH, UH, SO THAT'S THE INTENT.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON EACH, UH, YOU KNOW, WEST AND EAST SIDE, WE HAVE SOME PARK SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT GO ALONG ON THE RIGHT SIDE WITH A AMENITY AND POOL AREA.

AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR, UH, I GUESS BOULEVARD, UH, SECTION THERE ON THE EAST OR THE WEST PORTION, THERE'LL BE A SMALL GREEN SPACE THERE AS WELL.

YEAH, I COULD, I COULD SEE IT.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UM, SO WOULD, WOULD THERE, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR INCREASING THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND REDUCING MULTIFAMILY? AND I ASK, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2005 AND ZONING IS WHAT IT IS.

WE CAN'T CHANGE IT.

IT WAS APPROVED 18 YEARS AGO.

RIGHT.

BUT YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CITY HAS GROWN AND IT'S CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THOSE 18 YEARS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT WATER CONCERNS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, UM, WITH THE PIPELINE TO LAKE TRAVIS AND ALL THAT.

AND OF COURSE, LUCKILY THE RAIN TODAY HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GET US OUTTA THE DROUGHT CONDITIONS WE'RE IN.

AND SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL DID PUT A MORATORIUM ON MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN GOOD FAITH YOU'RE WILLING TO DO, TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO POSSIBLY REDUCE THE MULTI-FAMILY, REDUCE NUMBER OF UNITS HERE TO HELP US ADDRESS THE WATER ISSUES IN OUR CITY AND WENT BY INCREASING THEIR COMMERCIAL, WHICH OUR CITY DESPERATELY NEEDS? SURE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALL OPPORTUNITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN ANY OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT, UH, OPTIONS THAT ARE BENEFICIAL.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF TEAMS ON WORKING ON THIS IN TERMS OF, UH, MARKET RESEARCH, WHICH I'M NOT AS PRIVY TO THAT HAVE INDICATED THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE VERSUS THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

UH, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D JUST HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, AND ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY OPEN TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'LL WANT, MATT, THAT'S THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO OLD TOWN LEANDER, GIVEN THE MOR TOMA MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REALLY MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT WORK REALLY WELL WITH LEANDER AND WORK WELL WITH, WITH THE AREA THAT IT'S IN, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO OLD TOWN.

SO.

ABSOLUTELY.

RESOLUTION ABOUT FUTURE CHANGES TO ZONING AND MULTIFAMILY.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT KIND OF CENTRALIZED LOCATION.

IT'S THERE YEAH.

WITH, UH, UH, WITH OLD TOWN AND THEN THE METRO JUST TO THE NORTH AND H E B NOT TOO FAR AWAY.

SO IT'S, YEAH.

AND I'M NOT GONNA DENY YOUR PLAN, YOU KNOW, LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER HERE, BUT THERE, I THINK WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.

AND THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY HERE.

UM, ABSOLUTELY.

ESPECIALLY ALSO ADDRESSING THE, THE, THE, THE CITIZEN'S CONCERNS AS WELL WITH THE HEIGHT.

SO WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

SO I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY REAL QUICK.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A MORATORIUM ON MULTIFAMILY.

WE HAVE A

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FAIR ENOUGH.

YEAH, YEAH.

VICE CHAIR LAN, I'D LIKE TO HEAR, DID YOU GET THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR MR. MAY? YES, BEFORE I SPEAK THAT WAY, I COULD.

THE, THE T FIVE, WHICH IS THE CORNERS OF MAINE AND 2243, THE TWO LOWER BUILDINGS, THOSE ARE ALLOWED TO BE FOUR STORIES.

THE TWO THAT ARE TO THE NORTH OF THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE THREE STORIES.

MY BIG CONCERN THERE IS THAT BY ORDINANCE AND ZONING, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A THREE FOOT SETBACK OF THE TOP BUILDINGS TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE ANYTHING TO GO THERE.

BUT I, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A DEVELOPER WORKING WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS, NOT TO PUT A THREE STORY BUILDING, THREE FOOT FROM SOMEBODY'S BACK PORCH.

THAT THAT'S VERY, SO I CAN SAY WE HAVE A BUILDING CODE THAT REQUIRES 10 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS.

SO SOME OF THOSE HOMES ARE THREE TO FIVE FEET FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SET BACK.

SO IT WOULD BE AT LEAST 10 FOOT BETWEEN BUILDINGS, EVEN 10 FEET.

IT'S STILL CLOSE.

VERY MUCH ROOM BETWEEN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD AND A THREE STORY TALL BUILDING.

AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DENY THE ZONING BASED ON THAT.

'CAUSE THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THAT.

WELL, THE CONCEPT PLAN, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE ZONING.

DO YOU HAVE, UM, MY TEAMMATES ARE SAYING THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE 10 FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY.

LINE 10 TO, BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT DRAINAGE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME, THERE'RE ACTUALLY THOSE TOWN HOMES OR THOSE EXISTING HOMES ACTUALLY, UH, BACKYARDS DRAIN TO OUR PROPERTY.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BE CAPTURED IN THAT 10 FEET AND DIRECTED AROUND.

WELL, I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS OUR PROBLEM IS YOU'VE COME HERE AND ASKED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS PER THE ZONING YOU WERE GRANTED IN 2005.

AND BY LAW WE'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO WHAT, TO THE ZONING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY HAD APPROVED.

AND WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, THOSE HOMES WERE NOT THERE.

AND SO WE'RE IN A CONUNDRUM BECAUSE BY LAW, SINCE, SINCE THE APPLICANT IS NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO THE CURRENT ZONING THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED BY LAW TO DENY IT.

UH, NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT LIKE COMMISSIONER OLIVER AND COMMISSIONER MAY TALKED ABOUT THAT MAYBE YOU COULDN'T, UH, DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD MITIGATE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS FOR THEM, SUCH AS FA MAKING SURE THE BACKS OF THOSE BUILDINGS AREN'T FACING DOWN INTO THEIR PROPERTY.

MAYBE IT'S THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THEY'RE STILL GONNA SEE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE A BRICK WALL, BUT, OR A MASONRY WALL OR WHATEVER.

BUT PERHAPS IT'S NOT THE, THE BALCONY THING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING DOWN INTO THEIR PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT YOU COULD DO TO HELP WITH THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, DENYING THE REQUEST BY LAW, WE ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY ME AND A SECONDED BY THE VICE CHAIR.

UM, OH, I'M NOT ON, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR, SO YOU CAN, YEAH.

UH, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE VISUAL 'CAUSE THAT WAS DEFINITELY VERY HELPFUL TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, THE VICE CHAIR SAID IT GREAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, UM, WITHOUT ANY VARIANCE VARIANCES, THE CITY BY LAW THEN HAS TO, WE COULD VOTE AGAINST IT, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE FOR SHOW, QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING.

HOWEVER, AS I SAID BEFORE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO IS ASK THE DEVELOPER TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE INPUTS THAT THEY'VE HEARD.

WE CAN ASK, WE CAN'T DIRECT EITHER.

SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FINE LINE THAT WE HAVE TO, TO, UH, TO DO SITTING UP HERE AND, AND I'VE, UH, BEEN IN THE SEAT FOR FOUR, WELL, NOT IN THIS INDIVIDUAL SEAT, BUT BEING ON THE COMMISSION FOR FOUR YEARS NOW, I'VE HAD TO VOTE FOR THINGS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, AND I'VE HAD TO DENY THINGS THAT I AGREE WITH THAT I LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OUR ORDINANCES CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S MY ROLE UP HERE.

NOT TO PUT MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ON THIS, UM, AS WELL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE.

UM, SO ALL, ALL THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ZONED BACK IN 2005.

THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING.

AND IF THEY WOULD'VE COME FOR A VARIANCE, WE WOULD'VE HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS JUST OR DENY THE VARIANCE, UH, TONIGHT.

BUT ASKING FOR NOTHING, WE'RE KIND OF LEFT, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

SO SINCE THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, I WILL DO WHAT I OFTEN DO AND I'LL, DESPITE THE BULLET AND SAY THAT I WILL, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND.

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED, IT PASSES THREE TO ONE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER OLIVER.

OPPOSING.

ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z DASH 23 DASH 0 0 73.

UH, ONTO AGENDA

[9. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0073 to amend the Michelle Tract PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base district of GC-3-A (General Commercial) on one parcel of land approximately 9.3388 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R031699; and generally located to the northwest of the intersection of W Metro Dr and US 183, to the east of the eastern terminus of South Brook Dr, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0073 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

TO AMEND THE MICHELLE TRACK PUD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE DISTRICT OF GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 9.3388 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCEL R 0 3 1 6 9 9.

AND GENERALLY LOCATED TO THE SOUTH TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST METRO DRIVE IN US 180 3 TO THE EAST OF THE EASTERN TERMINUS OF SOUTH BROOK DRIVE, LEAN, OR WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER COREY DE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

LET'S GET TO A GOOD SLIDE.

THIS IS NICE.

UH, SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AT THE END OF THE PRE, THEY DID NOT, THEY DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MICHELLE TRACK PUD.

UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE PROVIDED, UH, IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, AND I'LL READ THEM OUT LOUD.

UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A MORE DETAILED SECTION UNDER THE, UH, CRITERIA, UH, AT THE END IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT AS WELL.

UH, SO THE FIRST, UH, AMENDMENT IS THE REMOVAL OF A PHASING PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXHIBIT D OF THE MISS MICHELLE TRACK PUD.

UH, NUMBER TWO, REMOVAL OF REFERENCE TO SMART CODE.

IT WAS UNDER THE CON CONVENTIONAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT SECTOR, UH, THAT, UH, THAT APPLIES TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOUTHBROOK DRIVE.

IT WAS A THOROUGHFARE TYPE AND THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WITHIN THE PUD THAT, UH, TAKES ON THE, UH, BASE ZONING OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.

UM, SOUTHBROOK DRIVE CONSTRUCTION TIMING HAS BEEN REMOVED PREVIOUSLY, UH, TRIGGERED CONCURRENTLY WITH A SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN SUBMITTED FOR PARCELS TWO, THREE, OR FOUR, AS WELL AS UPDATING THE DRIVEWAY SPACING FROM 75 TO 100 AS REVIEWED AND APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY OF LEANDER, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THE PROPOSED REVISION, UH, ANOTHER PROPOSED REVISION, UH, TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE IS THE, UH, DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.

TODAY IS 20 FEET FROM ANY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REDUCTION TO FIVE FOOT.

UH, SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS EXIST.

THE ORIGINAL MICHELLE TRACK, UH, PUD ORDINANCE, UH, ESTABLISHED A BASE ZONING OF GC THREE A.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THIS SITE FROM THE SMART CODE, UH, AND IS IN LINE WITH THE, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, UH, IN 2020, WHERE THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY OR PERSON, UH, AUTHORIZED TO REPRESENT THE OWNER MAY APPLY, UH, COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REMOVE THAT, UH, TRACK FROM THE, UH, SMART CODE.

UH, LET'S GET TO SOME ZONING.

GO BACK ONE.

HERE WE GO.

HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

SO TO THE NORTH IS, UH, AN UNDEVELOPED PUD WITH A BASE ZONING OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST, UH, IS ALSO A PUD IN THE, UH, T O D TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S UNDEVELOPED.

PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT THIS ACTUALLY.

UH, TO THE SOUTH IS GC THREE C AND A COMMERCIAL TRACT, WHICH IS THE DAIRY QUEEN.

AND TO THE WEST IS THE, UH, TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, WHICH IS ALSO IN A P.

UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF US 180 3.

AND METRO DRIVE TO THE NORTH IS THE FUTURE TAYLORVILLE COMMERCIAL PUD TO THE EAST IS THE UNDEVELOPED STRIP OF LAND BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND US 180 3.

YOU RECENTLY SAW A CASE INVOLVING A TREE REMOVAL FOR THAT, UH, A PORTION OF THAT LAND, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE IS THE DAIRY QUEEN, AND TO THE EAST IS THE ARRO ARROYO, ROBLE TOWN HOMES.

HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT.

UH, THIS PROPERTY CONTAINS LIGHT TREE COVER AND FLOODPLAIN IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACTS.

THE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS ONTO US, 180 3.

UM, THIS PROPERTY INCLUDES A, THE FUTURE CONNECTION OF SOUTHBROOK DRIVE.

UH, I WONDER IF I CAN GET A GOOD CLOSEUP, WHICH IS THIS THOROUGHFARE RIGHT HERE.

IT'S GONNA PUNCH THROUGH AND CONNECT TO 180 3, UH, PER THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

THE TABLE BELOW, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET INCLUDES THE PROPOSED STREET, UH, SECTION WITHIN THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S THE CONTINUATION OF SOUTHBROOK DRIVE.

ITS CLASSIFICATION IS A COLLECTOR, IT IS AN URBAN COLLECTOR FOR HIGH TRAFFIC.

IT IS A 74 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND I'VE, UH, SPELLED OUT THE CROSS SECTION IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, REPORT.

UH, THESE PLANS ARE UNDER REVIEW

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AS PART OF A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT CONSTRUCTION PLAN.

SO I WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT.

UH, AND AS IT, AS THEY ARE UNDER REVIEW, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO, UH, CHANGE DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS.

ALL PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS ALONG US 180 3, UM, AND SOUTH BROOK DRIVE WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF LEANDER DRIVEWAY.

PROPOSAL ALONG US 180 3 WILL ADDITIONALLY REQUIRE A PERMIT FROM TXDOT.

THE DRIVEWAY SPACING ALONG US 180 3 WILL BE, UH, DICTATED BY THE TXDOT ACCESS CONTROL MANUAL AT THE TIME OF THE, UH, SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL, WHICH HAS HAPPENED AFTER THE, UH, PRETTY RECENTLY AFTER THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT EITHER A T I A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.

UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG US 180 3, UH, THAT WILL ADDITIONALLY BE REQUIRED AT TIME OF, UH, SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL.

THERE'S ALSO A CONNECTION INTO, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE NORTH BRUSHY, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM.

IT'S A LITTLE SIDEWALK THING THAT COMES AROUND THIS NORTH SIDE.

SO THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT INTO THAT FROM US.

180 3 TO HERE.

UH, EXISTING UTILITIES EXIST IN THE AREA.

UH, THERE IS A SEWER CONNECTION ON SITE.

I BELIEVE IT'S A 21 INCH, UH, LINE IN A MANHOLE.

AND THEN THERE IS, UM, CONNECTION TO WATER TO THE SOUTH, OR THERE'S ALSO A CONNECTION TO, UH, A 12 INCH LINE THAT'S RUNNING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF SOUTH BROOK DRIVE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THEIR, UH, P I C P PLAN.

SUBMITTAL.

UH, THE PROPERTY CURRENT CURRENTLY SITS UNDEVELOPED.

UH, A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF, UH, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.

NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE HAS, CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.

UH, PAPER PUBLICATION AND, UH, PROPERTY NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, UH, BY STAFF.

TONIGHT IS THE, UH, FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, OCTOBER THE FIFTH WILL BE, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

OCTOBER THE 10TH WILL BE, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE IF IT'S AMENDED.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICES MAILED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, THE AGENT REACHED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS OF PROPERTY ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY, OR ANY PROPERTIES USED AS SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN 500 FEET PER THE, UH, COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.

THAT REPORT WAS IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER EIGHT.

SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION, AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

UH, ALSO IT'S PRE-EXISTING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS TO THE APPROVED, UH, MICHELLE TRACK PUD.

AGAIN, WE WILL, UH, GO OVER THESE IN IN MORE DETAIL.

UM, THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS A REMOVAL OF THE PHASING PLAN.

PREVIOUSLY EXHIBIT D OF THE MICHELLE TRACK POD.

UH, THE JUSTIFICATION IS DEVELOPMENT WILL FOLLOW THE CURRENT, UH, PROCESS OF P I C P, WHICH THEY HAVE SUBMITTED, AND IS UNDER REVIEW AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHICH THERE ARE, UH, A NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, UH, I WANNA SAY PHASES OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, UNDER REVIEW AS WELL.

UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, AS THE, AS THE TRACK DEVELOPS, REMOVAL OF REFERENCE, UH, TO THE SMART CODE, UH, THE CD SECTOR, THIS APPLIES TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOUTHBROOK DRIVE AND ALL OFFICE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS.

UH, WITHIN THE P THE ORIGINAL PUT ESTABLISHED A GC THREE A ZONING FROM THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE APPLICANT, UH, WOULD, UH, REMOVE THE SMART CODE REFERENCES IN THE POD TO DEVELOP TO THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL POD.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, OFFICE IS ALREADY ALLOWED IN GENERAL COMMERCIAL ALREADY.

SO, UH, SOUTHBROOK DRIVE, UH, CONSTRUCTION TIMING HAS BEEN REMOVED PREVIOUSLY, TRIGGERED CONCURRENTLY WITH A SITE DEVELOPMENT OF PARCELS.

TWO, THREE, OR FOUR.

SOUTHBROOK DRIVE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF A P I C P PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY LOTS.

AGAIN, IT'S ALREADY SUBMITTED.

UH, IN UNDER REVIEW SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH, UH, TWO SITE PLANS, UTILITY EXTENSION, UH, WILL BE NEEDED FOR WATER.

THEY WILL BE UPDATING THE DRIVEWAY SPACING FROM 75 TO 100.

AND THAT WAS A REVIEWED AND APPROVED THROUGH THE, UH, CITY OF NA, UH, CITY OF LEANDER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN THE FINAL, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT WAS THE PROPOSED REVISION TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE, UH, WHERE A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS TO BE 20 FEET.

UH, FOR MANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REDUCTION TO FIVE FOOT.

THE DEVELOPER BELIEVES THE REDUCED SETBACK WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN HOME COMMUNITY.

UH, BASED ON ALL OF THE SUPPLIED INFORMATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT REQUEST.

HOWEVER, STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE DUMPSTER SETBACK.

UM, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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CAN I ACTUALLY ADD ONE THING? UM, YEAH.

MEGAN FRY WITH ENDEAVOR REAL ESTATE GROUP.

I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT.

UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT TO APPROVE THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK.

AND I WANTED TO ADD ONE THING ON THIS AERIAL, YOU'LL NOTICE THE TOWN HOME PROPERTY TO OUR WEST.

THE REASON WE'VE REQUESTED THE REDUCTION FROM 20 FEET TO FIVE FEET IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT TO OUR WEST, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, HAS APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET BETWEEN THE NEAREST BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINE.

THEY'VE GOT A, A DRIVE AISLE THAT'S 25 FEET IN WIDTH FOR FIRE ACCESS PLUS PARALLEL PARKING SPACES.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, AND THAT BEING THE ONLY PROPERTY ADJACENT TO US WITH A RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT, UH, REDUCTION OF 15 FEET ALLOWS US TO, UM, BETTER UTILIZE OUR PROPERTY FOR RETAIL, WHICH IS THE INTENDED USE BY PUSHING THE DUMPSTERS TO THAT PROPERTY LINE.

UH, IT BASICALLY HELPS WITH TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE SITE FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF RETAIL USERS.

AND SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST.

I APOLOGIZE, I I MISSED THAT BEFORE MY PREP TODAY.

SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. FRY AND, UH, ROBIN? YEAH, UM, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED, UM, THE, THE COUNCIL WAS, UM, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE, THE T O D.

SO A LOT OF THE STANDARDS THAT WERE PLACED IN THE ZONING REVOLVED AROUND THE CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR.

SO WE WERE BRINGING BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET AND MOVING PARKING FURTHER AWAY.

UM, SINCE THEN, THE COUNCIL'S, UM, ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT SUPPORTS PROJECTS BEING REMOVED FROM THE T O D.

SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR AMENDMENT IS MAKING IT MORE OF A CONVENTIONAL STYLE DEVELOPMENT.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

UH, AT THIS TIME I WILL, AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

VICE CHAIR LANDRO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I SUPPORT, UH, FOUR OF THE AMENDMENTS, BUT I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF CHANGING THE MINIMUM SETBACK FOR THE DENTISTRY.

COMMISSIONER OLIVER? UH, YEAH.

SO I DID TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE IS A ROADWAY THERE BETWEEN THE, UH, TOWN HOMES.

UH, YEAH, I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS 30 OR 40 FEET, SO I APPRECIATE YOU SPECIFYING THAT FOR ME.

UH, I, YOU KNOW, AS LONG, SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISLANDS BASED ON WHERE THE TOWN HOMES ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED THAT ARE DIRECTLY ON, UH, SOUTHBROOK DRIVE.

AND SO, BECAUSE THOSE TWO ISLANDS AND THE, THE BACK OF THOSE TOWN HOMES ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE, AND SO THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO 40 FOOT ROADWAY THAT'S GONNA GIVE THEM THAT BUFFER BETWEEN ANY, ANY TRASH RECEPTACLE.

SO MY, MY ONLY STIPULATION WOULD BE THAT IF WE DO APPROVE THIS, AND I, I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF IT, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT 40 FOOT BUFFER OF THE ROADWAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TOWN HOMES.

AS LONG AS THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE TRASH RECEPTACLES ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THOSE ISLANDS, THEN I THINK WOULD BE FINE.

I THINK WE COULD SUPPORT THAT.

UM, OR AT LEAST I COULD SUPPORT THAT.

BUT, UM, YEAH, BUT IF YOU DO PUT THEM THERE, THEN THAT IS GONNA BE RIGHT ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A NO GO.

AND I, I'LL JUST SAY WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UM, CLARIFY THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN ADDITION TO THE REDUCTION.

UM, THAT, THAT'S NO PROBLEM FOR US.

I, IN, IN THAT CASE, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WAS GONNA HAVE, PROBABLY MORE FOR, FOR CORY IS JUST THAT THE, THE ROAD EXTENSION FOR SOUTHBROOK IS, IT PUNCHES THROUGH TO 180 3 A, UM, YOU SAID, IS THAT GONNA BE A HUNDRED FEET WIDE, YOU SAID? IS THAT, THAT'S BEING EXPANDED OR IS THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT, THAT A HUNDRED FEET REFERS TO LIKE THE PARKING LOT AREAS.

THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH IS 74 FOOT 74 FEET.

YES, SIR.

BUT IT SAID 75 TO A HUNDRED FEET.

ARE WE ASKING FOR THAT TO, TO GO DOWN TO 75 FROM A HUNDRED, OR GO UP TO A HUNDRED FROM 75? OH, THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, SPACING, DRIVEWAY SPACING.

I SEE, I SEE.

SO IT WENT FROM, THAT'S FROM, IT WENT FROM 75 TO A HUNDRED, I BELIEVE, FOR DRIVEWAY SPACING, SIR.

UM, YEAH, MY, MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN THERE ALONG THAT SOUTHBROOK PUNCH THROUGH IS JUST IF, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING INTO A TOWN HOME AREA, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT STREET RELATED PARKING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED TO PARK ON THE STREET THERE.

I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT AS A CITY WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AREA AND NOT ALLOW ANY PARKING BETWEEN THAT PART OF ONE A THREE A AND THE TOWN HOMES TO REDUCE ANY CONGESTION OR ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC.

MM-HMM.

, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT AND CALL OUT.

SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

THIS PROPERTY THE RIGHT TO HAVE DUMPSTERS FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

GREAT.

COMMISSIONER, MAY I, I'M CONCERNED ALONG WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES BY US AMENDING, BY US APPROVING WITH THE DUMPSTERS BEING ALLOWED TO BE BUILT THERE, THE NEIGHBORS COULD REDEVELOP AT SOME POINT AND WE NOW, WE HAVE GIVEN THE,

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AND THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE GOING INTO THE FUTURE BASED ON THAT.

UM, I WOULD REALLY MUCH RATHER THEM SEE THOSE DUMPSTERS 20 FEET BACK.

AND I, IF THERE'S A MOTION, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AG A LEAST PUT IN THERE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UM, THIS QUESTION IS MORE FOR ROBIN THAN, SO WHEN, WHEN WE CREATE THE SETBACKS FOR THE DUMPSTERS, WE WANT 'EM 20 FEET, UH, WE CREATE THE SET SETBACKS AT 20 FEET, REGARDLESS OF THE SETBACKS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE.

BUT WHAT'S THE INTENT TO GET A MINIMUM OF HOW MANY FEET BETWEEN, BETWEEN BUILDINGS? BECAUSE IF WE CAN MEET THE INTENT OF IT AND STILL REDUCE IT IN SOME AREAS FOR THEM, BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER OLIVER SAID AND, AND THE APPLICANT KIND OF WAS AGREEING TO, I, I'M, I'M MORE AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE, AS COMMISSIONER MAY SAID, THEY COULD REDEVELOP AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL, AND THEY COULD HAVE DUMPSTERS THERE.

NOW GRANTED, IF THEY DID THAT, THEN THEY WOULD KNOW THE DUMPSTERS ARE THERE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, A CHICKEN AND EGG SITUATION HERE ON THAT ONE.

BUT DO YOU, DO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT OUR INTENT IS TO TRY TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM, FROM BUILDINGS? SO THIS IS, UM, A MORE RECENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROBABLY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT COME FROM RESIDENTS THAT BACK UP TO COMMERCIAL.

SO IT WAS ONE OF THE BUFFERING ITEMS THAT WE CAME UP WITH TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN.

SO WE HAD TO ESTABLISH A 20 FEET MOVER, ASSUMING LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THEY USUALLY HAVE 15 FOOT BACKYARD.

UM, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT 'CAUSE IT'S TOWNHOUSES, RIGHT? SO, SO THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE TRYING THEN TO GET ABOUT A 35 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TOWNHOUSE, WHATEVER.

AND THE THING, AND WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD IS BECAUSE OF THE ROADWAY, THERE ARE SPOTS THAT ARE GONNA BE 40 FEET.

SO THE FIVE FEET WOULD BE A 45 FOOT BUFFER.

SO THEN AS LONG AS WE STIPULATE IN, IN THE HUD NOTES THAT THERE'LL BE A 45 FOOT FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN ANY RESIDENTIAL OR PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE FULLY DEVELOPED YET OR NOT, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE BUILDING PERMITS IN.

SO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE LINED UP.

WE HAVE A SITE PLAN, SO WE CAN, AND, AND WE CAN SAY THAT AND THE APPLICANT'S AMENABLE TO THAT, THEN THAT WOULD AT LEAST SATISFY ME AS FAR AS KEEPING IT FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.

AND THEN FUTURE ISSUES ARE GONNA BE FOR THAT DEVELOPER OR THE LANDOWNER TO THE WEST.

THEY'LL KNOW THAT, I MEAN, THOSE DUMPSTERS ARE ALREADY GONNA BE THERE, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT.

AND THAT WAY IT KEEPS IT FROM, UH, BEING ON THE, THE TWO THAT COMMISSIONER OLIVER TALKED ABOUT, AS WELL AS THE ONE AT THE NORTH END AND ONE AT THE SOUTH END AS WELL, THAT BUTT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE.

MM-HMM.

SO THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

IF SOMEONE HAS, I MEAN, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, THAT NO, YOU KNOW, DUMPSTER CAN BE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 20, OR WHAT DID WE SAY? 35 FEET OF A, YOU KNOW, OF A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN THIS CASE, A TOWN HOME.

UM, SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD EXCLUDE THOSE ISLANDS, BUT A MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT 'EM RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE EITHER.

SO 35, NOT 40, RIGHT? 35.

YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE INTENT.

YOU SAID YOU HAVE 20 FEET AND YOU MENTIONED FIVE FEET, I MEAN, UH, UH, 15 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL, SO WITHIN 35 FEET, BUT YOU HAVE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT FIVE FEET, THAT FIVE FOOT SETBACK, SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? YES.

I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO, UH, THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR AS IS WITH THIS CHANGE TO, TO THE P UH, FOR, AT A MINIMUM OF 35 FOOT F FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND IT FAILS, MOTION FAILS.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION THOUGH, BEFORE, BEFORE MOVING ON TO THIS.

IS THIS ALL RETAIL OFFICE SPACE? IT, UM, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF A RESTAURANT GOING IN THERE AS WELL? WELL, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE CLOSER THE DUMPSTERS ARE IS, IT'S A CONCERN WHAT WOULD BE THE OFFICE HOURS? SO IT IS ALL PROPOSED.

RETAIL.

RETAIL AS WE DESCRIBE IT, WOULD INCLUDE SOME RESTAURANTS.

SO IT'LL BE A MIX OF FOOD USERS AND SOFT GOODS SERVICES.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PROPOSED OFFICE AT ALL.

AND I AM 100% FOR COMMERCIAL.

I'M, I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPACING OF THAT.

UM, BUT I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE WITH, UH, WITH THE DUMPSTERS BEING AT THE 20 FOOT SETBACK.

I'LL SECOND IT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK, UH, BY COMMISSIONER MAY AND SECONDED BY THE VICE CHAIR.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

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I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, A MOTION ON THIS TONIGHT.

ROBIN, DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE AND WE CAN JUST MOVE ON? NO ACTION.

YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE NO ACTION FROM THE COMMISSION 'CAUSE WE'RE KIND OF A SPLIT VOTE HERE AND IT'LL BE UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT THE FINAL IS.

ALRIGHT.

UM, THE GREAT, THE GREAT THING IS OUR CITY COUNCIL DOES A GREAT JOB BY LISTENING TO US.

SO THEY'LL HEAR THIS DISCUSSION AND SO THEY'LL BE KIND OF PREPARED WHEN, WHEN THEY COME AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, MS. FRY.

[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0079 to amend the current zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) and GC-3-C (General Commercial) to adopt the Valley Vista Lot 3 Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with a base district of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on two parcels of land approximately 2.927 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R639667 and R639669; and more commonly known as 18161 Ronald W Reagan Blvd, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0079 as described above. Staff Presentation Applicant Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.

AS I SAID BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, I WILL REITERATE IT AGAIN.

IT HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO THE OCTOBER 12TH P N Z, WHICH MEANS IT WILL BE ON THE NOVEMBER 2ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO IF YOU WERE HERE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS, UH, AROUND THE, UH, VALLEY VISTA LOT, THREE MINOR PUD THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT TO OCTOBER 12TH, P N Z AND NOVEMBER 2ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[11. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Ordinance Case OR-23-0005 to amend the Sign Ordinance to update the definitions, procedures, sign requirements, and to provide for related matters; Leander, Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. Discuss and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-23-0005 as described above. Staff Presentation Open Public Hearing Close Public Hearing Discussion Consider Action]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE OR TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 5 TO AMEND THE SIGN ORDINANCE TO UPDATE THE DEFINITIONS, PROCEDURES, SIGN REQUIREMENTS, AND TO PROVIDE FOR RELATED MATTERS.

LEANDER WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY'S TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING.

SO THIS IS A, UM, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE UPDATE, UM, TO THE SIGNED ORDINANCE.

I'M VERY EXCITED THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A SIGNED ORDINANCE TO PRESENT AND WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT STUFF TONIGHT, SO THAT'LL BE FUN.

UM, AT YOUR SEAT, WE'VE HANDED OUT A COUPLE OF UPDATES.

UM, AFTER WE FINISHED THE, UM, SIGNED PACKAGE, UH, WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT SOME CHANGES WE NEEDED TO MAKE TO POLITICAL SIGNS.

SO THERE'S AN UPDATED SIGN ORDINANCE PLANNING ANALYSIS, AND I HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, UM, THE SECTION THAT WAS UPDATED.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A CLEAN COPY AND A RED LINE OF THE POLITICAL SIGN SECTION, SO Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT THAT.

UM, BASICALLY IN OUR AMENDMENTS, UM, WE INCLUDED SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF THE POLITICAL SIGN, BUT WE CAN'T LEGALLY DO THAT.

UM, SO BASICALLY THIS SECTION IS SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT IS 36, UH, SQUARE FEET IN SIZE OR LESS, YOU'RE EXEMPT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET PERMITTING.

UM, AND THAT'S ON, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTIES.

THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAD.

UM, THIS DOES, UH, PROHIBIT ILLUMINATED SIGNS AND MOVING ELEMENTS ON POLITICAL SIGNS.

SO THAT'S LIKE SPINNING AND TWIRLING AND SOUND MAKING ITEMS ATTACHED TO POLITICAL SIGNS.

UM, IN THE SECTION K ON POLITICAL SIGNS, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED.

I HAD TO READ IT THREE TIMES TO TO UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, BUT DURING, UM, A ELECTION TIME WHEN YOU HAVE A A POLLING LOCATION, UM, THERE'S A, A LINE, UM, WHERE THEY, THEY CAN'T CROSS WITH THEIR SIGNS.

SO IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE POLLING LOCATION.

UM, IT, IT WAS UPDATED TO, TO STATE YOUR SIGNS HAD TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT A HUNDRED FEET, BUT IT COULD NOT BE A GREATER DISTANCE FROM THE POLLING LOCATION THAN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ABUTTING THE LOCATION THAT'S ALSO OUTSIDE THE A HUNDRED FEET.

UM, SO IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME YOU CAN'T PUT IT, UM, LIKE A BLOCK OVER.

SO YOU JUST HAVE A CERTAIN PARAMETER YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED WITH YOUR SIGNS.

SO THAT ONE WAS SUPER COMPLICATED, SO I WANTED TO GET THE, THE REALLY HARD PART OUT OF THE WAY.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK, UM, FROM THE, THE COMMUNITY FROM A CITIZEN GROUP, UM, AS WELL AS WE REVIEWED A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR SIGNED PERMITS OVER THE YEARS.

UM, THE BIGGEST REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVED IS EXTENDING TIMEFRAMES FOR, UM, TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

SO IF YOU OPEN A NEW BUSINESS, YOU WANNA PUT UP A BANNER.

THERE'S A, A 14 DAY TIMEFRAME WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A BANNER.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE ADDED A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO EXTEND THAT TIMEFRAME WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON YOUR PERMANENT SIGN, SO YOU COULD HAVE IT FOR A LONGER TERM IN CASE YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THE SIGN, GET THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THE SIGN.

SO THAT WAS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.

UM, WE ALSO, UH, CAME UP WITH NEW OPTIONS FOR SIGN TYPES TO PROVIDE LOWER COST OPTIONS, UM, CHANGE THE MATERIALS FOR THE SIGNAGE, AND THEN WE CAME UP WITH A SIGN GUIDE TO HELP CLARIFY THE PROCESS.

SO, UM, YOU CAN GET STARTED.

WE, WE KIND OF HAVE BEEN THROUGH THESE BEFORE.

UM, BUT THESE ARE THE TYPES OF REQUESTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE AMENDED THE SIGN ORDINANCE WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH EXTRA STEPS.

SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS, UM, UPDATE THE ORDINANCE IN A WAY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT EXTRA STEP ANY LONGER BY TAKING TO INTO ACCOUNT THINGS THAT COUNCIL HAD APPROVED OR STAFF HAD APPROVED.

UM, SO A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, THIS, WE HAD A, A PUD REQUEST WHERE WE INCREASED THE SIZE, THE SIZE OF PYLONS FOR THE HONDA DEALERSHIP.

UM, WE ALSO ALLOW ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, UM, FOR SUBDIVISIONS.

SO AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, OVER TIME THERE ARE NEW MATERIALS THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY THAT ARE, UM, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED.

SO WE'VE KIND OF OPENED IT UP

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TO ALLOW FOR THE MORE INNOVATIVE MATERIALS.

UM, WE'VE ALSO CHANGED IT TO ALLOW THE HALO LIT CHANNEL LETTERS.

THOSE ARE THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM HERE.

UM, IT WASN'T A POPULAR TECHNIQUE WITH SIGNS AND, UM, IT'S PROHIBITED BY OUR ORDINANCE.

SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOWING STUFF LIKE THAT.

UM, UPDATING THE FLAGS TO ADD LOGOS AND, UM, CHANGES WITH MODEL HOME SIGNS.

UM, THIS IS EXAMPLES OF POLITICAL SIGNS.

THIS IS A, A POLLING LOCATION AND KIND OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UM, ON ELECTION DAY.

UM, THE UPDATES TO POLITICAL SIGNS HAS, UM, ADDITIONAL LIMITS WHERE YOU CAN NO LONGER STACK SIGNS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER OR STRING THEM TOGETHER.

AND IT HAS LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF SIGNS PER, UM, APPLICANTS.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL HELP WITH THE, THE CLUTTER ALONG THE STREETS.

AND WE DID COME UP WITH A NEW EXCEPTION PROCESS.

SO TODAY, IF YOU HAVE A, A SIGN YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT DOES NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, YOU GO TO A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS HEARING AND THEY HAVE A VERY STRICT SET OF RULES THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.

SO THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A FINDINGS A FACT.

AND BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, THERE IS A HARDSHIP THAT PREVENTS YOU FROM MEETING THE ORDINANCE.

AND USUALLY IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A TREE, LIKE IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T, CAUSE IT CAN'T BE FINANCIAL AND THEY HAVE VERY STRICT PARAMETERS.

SO IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO PROMOTE FLEXIBILITY AND ADOPT NEW STANDARDS.

SO WE DID LOOK AT SEVERAL CITIES, UM, APPLICATION PROCESSES AND WE FOUND ROUND ROCK HAD AN EXCEPTION PROCESS.

AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS THE, UM, B O A TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION NEW TYPES OF SIGNS AND THE FEATURES OF THE SITE.

SO THEY COULD LOOK AT, UM, A DIFFERENT STYLE SIGN THAT'S MAYBE NOT ALLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE THAT STAFF'S NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING WITH A MASTER SIGN PLAN.

SO IT OPENS IT UP FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO USE JUDGMENT INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THESE VERY STRICT, UM, POLICIES.

THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THEY DO STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW, LIKE THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE FOR NOT BLOCKING, UM, TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBOR.

UM, AND IT'S, UH, STILL MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS WITH EASEMENTS AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE.

I THINK IT'LL BE A BIG OPPORTUNITY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A COOL SIGN THAT WE'RE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING.

SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, SOME OF OUR CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES.

UM, I DID SEND OUT THE THE SIGN GUIDE, WHICH I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, THESE SHEETS ARE FROM THAT GUIDE.

SO WE, WE SET IT UP TO WHERE IF A CUSTOMER WANTS TO, UM, INSTALL A WALL SIGN, WE CAN HAND THEM A SHEET OUT OF THE GUIDE.

AND IT'S KIND OF A, A BRIEF SUMMARY OF UM, WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THIS IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING WITH TEMPORARY SIGNAGE BANNERS.

SO WE ADDED SOME, UM, TEXTS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THAT BANNER UNTIL THEY GET THEIR PERMANENT SIGN IN PLACE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE WITHOUT A SIGN 'CAUSE THEY EXCEEDED THE TIMEFRAME.

AND THEN THIS IS A NEW SIGN TYPE THAT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE.

IT'S CALLED A BUILDING SCRIM SIGN.

UM, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THESE 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE BIG BUILDINGS, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THEM COMING.

BUT IT'S A, A TEMPORARY SIGN THAT'S KIND OF A BANNER THAT'S LARGER THAN YOUR TYPICAL BANNER.

AND THEN THIS IS, UM, AN UPDATE TO OUR AREA IDENTIFICATION SIGNAGE.

SO TODAY THIS IS ONLY ALLOWED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, SUBDIVISIONS.

AND WE'VE UPDATED IT TO ALLOW IT FOR, UM, CENTERS.

SO IF, IF YOU HAVE A BIGGER SHOPPING CENTER, YOU COULD HAVE A SIGN THAT IDENTIFIES IT AS LIKE CRYSTAL VILLAGE OR WHATEVER YOUR CENTER NAME IS.

UM, AND WE ALSO CHANGED, UM, THE DISTANCE THAT, THAT YOU CAN BE FROM THE ENTRANCE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE SET BACK FROM THE ROAD.

SO THERE'S USUALLY ABOUT, UM, 200 FEET FROM THE ROAD AND THEY WANNA PUT A SIGN ON THE CORNER GUIDING PEOPLE INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S 150 FEET AND UM, WE SEE A, A GREATER DISTANCE NOW.

SO WE INCREASE THAT TO TWO 50.

AND THEN, UM, AWNING CANOPY SIGNS, WE INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE, THE CANOPY TEXT.

AND THIS ONE, UM, WE ADDED DIRECTORY SIGNS.

THIS IS A COMMON MASTER SIGN PLAN REQUEST.

SO IF YOU HAVE A OFFICE CENTER WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE USERS, YOU CAN NOW PUT ALL OF YOUR BUSINESSES ON THERE TO HELP PEOPLE GET BACK TO YOUR PROPERTY.

AND THEN THIS ONE'S A, A NEW SIGN TYPE.

UM, IT'S A HANGING PROJECTING SIGN.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH NEW OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

AND THIS IS A LOW PROFILE SIGN, UM, KIND OF SIMILAR TO THAT ENTRANCE SIGNAGE.

IT'S ALSO A NEW TYPE.

AND THEN MONUMENT SIGN.

UM, WE'VE INCREASED THE, THE SIZE OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS.

THAT WAS A BIG REQUEST.

AND SOMETHING ELSE WE SAW A LOT OF IS THE, THE MASONRY SURROUND.

UM, OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES SOMETHING MORE LIKE, UM, LIKE THIS SIGN HERE WHERE IT'S GOT MASONRY ALL AROUND THE TEXT, BUT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO SIGNS LIKE THIS ONE WHERE IT'S PLACED ON MASONRY.

SO WE CHANGED IT TO WHERE YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO HAVE THAT SURROUND 'CAUSE THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

AND THEN THIS IS A NEW SIGN TYPE.

THIS ONE WAS A, A PRETTY BIG REQUEST 'CAUSE IT'S A MORE AFFORDABLE OPTION.

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IT'S A LITTLE LESS DURABLE, BUT IT ALLOWS YOU TO PLACE A POST IN A, A PANEL INSTEAD OF DOING THE ROCK MONUMENT SIGN.

'CAUSE THIS CAN GET KIND OF EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL.

UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT EXIST TODAY IN OLD TOWN, AS WELL AS ALONG CRYSTAL FALLS FOR SMALLER PROJECTS.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ALONG A TOLL ROAD 'CAUSE IT'S MEANT FOR THAT SMALLER, MORE BOUTIQUE USE.

AND THEN THIS IS, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO THE PYLON SIGN.

UM, WE CHANGED IT TO INCREASE THE PERMITTED HEIGHT AND THEN TO ADD ANOTHER INCREASE IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO ELEVATED TOLL LANES.

'CAUSE WE GET THAT COMPLAINT A LOT, THAT THE TOLL ROAD BLOCKS THE, THE SIGNAGE.

SO IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE TALLER IF YOU'RE BY AN ELEVATED, UM, TOLL LANE.

AND THIS IS A NEW ONE.

WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR A VENDING MACHINE SIGNS, UM, NEXT TO YOUR CHARGING STATIONS.

UM, SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS KIND OF INTERESTING, BUT IT'S THE, THE DIGITAL INTERACTIVE DISPLAY THAT YOU SEE, LIKE AT THE WHOLE FOODS, UM, IN CEDAR PARK.

SO WE'RE GETTING MORE REQUESTS FOR THOSE.

BUT THIS WOULD BE ALLOWING THAT SIGN TYPE.

AND WHILE SIGNS, WE MADE A, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENT, UM, WE'RE SEEING MORE BIG BOX STYLE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE, THE HOME DEPOT THAT'S COMING.

SO WE'RE ALLOWING THE SIGN SIZE TO BE INCREASED BASED ON THE SIZE OF YOUR BUILDING.

SO THE BIGGER THE BUILDING IS, THE BIGGER THE, THE WALL SIGN CAN BE.

AND THEN WE HAVE CREATED A PROVO PROMOTIONAL EVENT SIGN PACKAGE.

UM, SO THIS, UM, IS TO BE USED WHEN YOU'RE HAVING SOMETHING HAPPENING, LIKE THERE'S A, A GRAND OPENING OR HAVING A SALE, UM, SOME KIND OF EVENT COMING UP.

YOU WOULD COME IN AND SUBMIT, UM, ONE PERMIT APPLICATION AND YOU COULD PUT, UM, SWEEPER FLAGS, HUMAN SIGNS, BANDIT SIGNS, BANNERS, UM, FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.

AND WE DON'T PERMIT EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, BUT IT'S MEANT FOR THAT, UM, THAT EVENT THAT IS COMING.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG REQUEST 'CAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO ADVERTISE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A PRETTY BRIEF SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE.

BUT I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING.

GREAT.

THANK YOU MR. GRIFFIN.

AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP, UH, SCOTT KLUM.

SIR, IF YOU'LL COME UP AND SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

AT THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE POLLING PLACES AND, UH, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF MESSY.

SCOTT COLO, 2 3 0 9 GRAND LAKE PARKWAY AND LEANDER.

UM, ALSO THE C E O OF NEANDERTHAL DISTILLING.

IF I SAY ANYTHING TO SANDPAPERS, ANYBODY HERE THIS EVENING, I INVITE YOU TO COME BY.

I'LL BUY YOU A DRINK AND, UH, MAKE UP FOR IT.

UM, BUT I I, I DO THINK WE NEED A NEW SIGN ORDINANCE.

I THINK A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, BUT I'M STILL NOT HAPPY WITH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.

UM, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT IN OUR GROWTH ARC HERE IN LEANDER WHERE WE NEED A, A REAL IMAGINATION AND VISION FOR CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S TRULY SAYS WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

AND WHILE I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS IN HERE ARE GREAT, I LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE PREAMBLE IN THIS ORDINANCE AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT PUTS OTHER THINGS AHEAD OF COMMERCE AND BUSINESS NEEDS.

THE GENERAL WELFARE AND AESTHETICS COME BEFORE THAT.

UM, WHERE LEE LANDTHAL IS LOCATED, WE WANT TO REBRAND OUR, OUR, OUR TWO PLAZAS, TWO ADJACENT PLAZAS INTO SOMETHING CALLED THE HERO WAY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT TO KIND OF UNITE THE BRAND OF THESE TWO PLAZAS THAT ARE UNDER SINGLE OWNERSHIP NOW.

AND THIS IS OUR MONUMENT SIGN RIGHT NOW.

IT WAS THE LARGEST PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE PRIOR ORDINANCE.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, PUT A LITTLE TOPPER ON IT HERO WAY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE HAS NOT ALLOWED FOR ENOUGH HEIGHT ON IT.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN RAISED UP TO 12 FEET.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH.

IT NEEDS TO BE AROUND 13, 15 FEET FOR A A FOR A, A DEVELOPMENT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE'RE EXPERIMENTING WITH SOME INTERESTING, UM, PROJECTION TECH TO BE ABLE TO THROW SIGNS UP ON OUR WALL AND HAVE THINGS CHANGE FROM TIME TO TIME THAT IS STILL ILLEGAL UNDER THIS ORDINANCE.

I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE THE FAMOUS SWOOPER FLAGS, UH, HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN A PROMOTIONAL PACKAGE.

UH, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE USABLE AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, FOR THOSE OR, UH, FOR THOSE OCCASIONS.

UH, BUT I'M NOT GONNA QUIBBLE OVER THAT.

HOWEVER, YOU GO OUT TO LAKEWOOD PARK AND AT THE CITY'S OWN SPONSORED, UH, OR SANCTIONED, UH, UH, A CANOE VENDING PLACE, THERE'S A SWOOPER FLAG THERE 24 7.

SO THERE'S A GOOSE GANDER HYPOCRISY THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED OR DONE AWAY WITH HERE, UM, RETAIL STORES, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ME EITHER.

RETAIL STORES HAVE BEEN VISITED ABOUT OPEN SIGNS THAT ARE EITHER TOO LARGE OR HAVE SOME MOVING, UH, HALOS AROUND THEM.

UM, AND THEY'RE BEHIND THE GLASS.

I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR THOSE TO BE REGULATED.

BUSINESS HOURS OF OPERATIONS ARE LIMITED TO FOUR SQUARE FEET.

THERE'S NO REASON WINDOW CLING ADVERTISING IS LIMITED TO 50% OF THE GLASS.

I DON'T SEE WHY.

UM, I LOVE THE APPEALS PROCESS.

IT NEEDS TO BE FREE BECAUSE, UM, I'M GONNA GO INTO A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND EXPLAIN WHY THE CITY OVERSTEPPED THEIR BOUNDS AND I GET AFFIRMATIVE DECISION BACK FROM THEM.

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY TO PURCHASE MY RIGHT TO PUT THAT SIGN UP BACK FROM THE CITY WHEN IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DENIED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

FINALLY, ON THE POLITICAL STUFF, I'M, I'M GONNA SAY THAT, UH, I LOOK

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BUT WHAT I SEE THERE IS A VERY ROBUST AND ENERGETIC POLITICAL PROCESS THAT IS PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE CULTURE OF THIS CITY.

AND I THINK THE SOLUTION FOR THAT, ANYBODY BOTHERED BY IT REALLY IS MORE A PRESCRIPTION OF XANAX THAN IT IS A LAW TO, TO GET RID OF THAT STUFF.

I SEE AMBER WAVES OF GRAIN THERE AND, AND A MONUMENT TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT, REALLY.

SO THANKS.

THANK YOU MR. COLE.

UM, I DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.

IF YOU PLEASE COME UP, YOU'LL SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND ONCE YOU'RE DONE, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD.

MOST CERTAINLY.

UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL BRUNE.

I'M THE PROPRIETOR AND OWNER OF FIFTH ELEMENT BREWING AT 100 EAST EVANS IN OLD TOWN LEANDER.

UH, I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT GROWING OUR CITY AND, UH, SMALL BUSINESS COMING INTO TOWN.

UH, I LIKE SCOTT, AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

UH, IT HAS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S PUT A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY, AND MONEY INTO BUILDING WHAT WILL BE FIFTH ELEMENT BREWING AND GATHERING SPACE BECAUSE WE, AS SCOTT IS DOING, UH, ARE ALSO LOOKING TO CREATE A GATHERING SPACE IN TOWN.

UH, HOWEVER, RIGHT NOW WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE.

UH, I THINK THE SWER FLAGS ARE A GREAT IDEA.

UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE UP 24 7.

I THINK, UH, THAT SHOULD BE A, A TEMPORARY SIGN THAT IS A AVAILABLE DURING BUSINESS HOURS ONLY, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO THEY DON'T BECOME A NUISANCE.

I THINK IF SOMETHING'S NOT GOING ON.

YOU KNOW, THOSE SIGNS CAN BE PUT UP JUST THE SAME WAY WE PUT UP STUFF AT THE END OF THE NIGHT.

UM, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU GUYS FOR, UH, HEARING US OUT AND, UM, WE HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SEE FANTASTIC GROWTH IN OUR TOWN.

UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HELP FROM THE CITY WOULD GO A LONG WAY WHEN IT COMES TO SMALL BUSINESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I'VE GOTTA SAY.

IF WE CAN, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO PUT UP SWOOPER FLAGS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND GO A LONG WAY.

UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER MAY.

UM, THE, THE MAJOR ISSUES I HAVE IS WITH THE PEOPLE, THE SIGNS THAT THEY'RE TWIRLING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT SEVERAL TIMES.

I WON'T CONTINUE TO HARP ON THAT.

UM, BUT WITH THE REMOVAL OF SIGNS, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BECOME QUITE A NUISANCE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE YOU GET THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT THE, I CALL THEM TREE LAWNS.

I THE AREA BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET, THEY GO ALONG AND THEY PLACE, I, I'VE HAD AS MANY AS 50 SIGNS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, HAIL DAMAGE COME AND REPAIR YOUR ROOF TYPE THING.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT THOSE.

AND THE HOAS HAVE TO GO AROUND AND COLLECT THEM.

UH, AND SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES SOMETIMES ARE PENALIZED FOR A SIMILAR SIGN IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE EQUAL AMONGST THOSE.

AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I'M FROM ORIGINALLY FROM OHIO AND IT'S VERY EASY TO SEE THE BUSINESSES AS YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG THE ROADS.

AND WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL ROADWAYS HERE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE THAT FINE LINE WHERE DO WE CUT THE BEAUTY OFF AND AT THE SAME TIME ADVERTISE OUR BUSINESSES? SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT ARGUMENT AND APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THE, THE PEOPLE SIGNS AND THE REMOVAL OF THE SIGNS NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTED AT THE BUSINESSES, BUT AT PEOPLE THAT AREN'T BUSINESSES IN OUR TOWN DOING BUSINESS AND LITERALLY LITTERING WITH SIGNS.

COMMISSIONER OLIVER.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD, BUT, UH, I DO.

UH, AND, AND WOULD APPRECIATE THE, AT LEAST THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY A COUPLE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I, I, I ACTUALLY KNOW ARE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

UH, AND, AND CONGRATULATIONS FIFTH ELMAN.

I KNOW Y'ALL JUST RECENTLY OPENED, SO GLAD TO HAVE Y'ALL IN, IN OLD TOWN OF OF COURSE.

SO, UM, MY OTHER, UH, COMMENT WAS, UM, REGARDING THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SIGNS OR THAT ARE

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COMING A BIT THAT, THAT TEND TO GET POPPED UP.

AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE POPPED UP, THEY TEND TO DO DETERIORATE AND THEY FALL DOWN AND NOTHING GETS DONE ABOUT 'EM.

AND SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT WE NEED CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YEAH, IT'S GREAT THAT WE CAN ALLOW FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT SO PEOPLE KNOW A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT'S COMING, BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS THERE, THAT SOMETIMES THOSE SIGNS DON'T GET REMOVED.

UM, THERE'S ONE SPECIFICALLY ALONG RONALD REAGAN, RIGHT TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE OF CRYSTAL FALLS, UM, THAT, UH, HAS BEEN THERE AND HAS DETERIORATED AND, AND I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FINALLY BEEN REMOVED.

I HAVEN'T REALLY PAID, MAYBE A FENCE WAS PUT UP TO COVER IT, BUT EITHER WAY, UH, I, I JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM I'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO LOVE TO SEE THAT AT LEAST ENFORCED MORE, UH, STRICTLY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

BUT OTHERWISE, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CON, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION GONE INTO THIS, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I REVIEWED, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY WASN'T A TON.

UM, I'LL BE HONEST THERE, BUT I DID, FOR WHAT I DID REVIEW, IT DID LOOK LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND, AND, AND ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS OVERALL.

UM, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

VICE CHAIR LUNCH.

I GUESS I, I'M HAPPY THAT THE, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS SHOWED UP, SHOWED UP AND GAVE US THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT THE HEIGHT BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FREESTANDING MONUMENT SIGN WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD INCREASED THE, UM, DISPLAY AREA AND THE HEIGHT, BUT WHEN IT GOT TO THE FIVE ACRES AND ABOVE IT, IT REALLY JUMPED UP THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, FROM 12 FEET TO 30 FEET ON THE TOLL ROAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THESE HEIGHTS AND, AND ON THE ARTERIAL IT WAS FROM 10 FEET TO 20 FEET.

BUT NOW HEARING THE INPUT, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

I GUESS MY OTHER CONCERN IS, OKAY, THE FEE FOR THEM TO APPEAL, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? UM, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET A VARIANCE, WHAT ARE THEY BEING CHARGED? SO, UM, LET ME FIND IT REALLY QUICKLY.

SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE AS MUCH AS ZONING.

SO YEAH.

SO TO TODAY, UM, WHEN YOU COME FORWARD WITH A, A VARIANCE, THERE'S A $675 FEE, AND THEN YOU PAY OWNER NOTIFICATION AND SIGNAGE.

SO WE USUALLY HIT ABOUT $850.

AND, UM, STAFF WAS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE FEE TO AN EXCEPTION FEE AND MAKE IT $300, UM, WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE PUBLIC NOTICE.

AND THIS WAS, UM, CONSISTENT WITH SOME OTHER CITIES THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT.

SO IT'S, IT'S GOING DOWN, DOWN CONSIDERABLY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT FEE? OF THAT FEE, IT'S FOR PUBLIC NOTICE, STAFF TIME, JUST GENERALLY FILING FEES.

SO THE MAX WE HAVE TO TALK TO LEGAL, IT'S ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE INVOLVED.

SO THE MAXIMUM'S GONNA BE AROUND 300 MM-HMM.

AND WHAT, UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY, WE'VE HAD TWO VARIANCES THAT HAVE GONE FORWARD FOR SIGNS.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE ADDRESSED WITH A MASTER SIGN PLAN.

UM, SO THIS WOULD BE LIKE REALLY EXTREME SITUATIONS.

UM, REGARDING THE HEIGHT ISSUE, AGAIN, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT I VOTED FOR WAS THE, ON THE TOLL ROAD FOR THE HONDA DEALERSHIP.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW TALL THAT SIGN IS? IT'S 40 FEET, I THINK IT'S IN HERE.

SO WE'RE ALLOWING NOW, UM, OOPS.

SO THERE'S THIS 40, CORRECT? THAT WAS CORRECT.

IT'S 40 AND WE, I THINK I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT.

WELL, THERE ARE FIVE ACRES AND ABOVE, I WOULD IMAGINE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO THEY'D BE 30 FEET NOW BY ORDINANCE.

THERE'RE, UH, THEY STILL, STILL HAD TO GET A VARIANCE.

IT'S, IT'S 35 AND THEY CAN INCREASE IT TO 50 WHEN THERE'S ELEVATED TOLL LANES.

IS THERE ANY OTHER, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WIN THEIR APPEALS? SO WITH THIS, I DON'T THINK IT'S WINNING AND LOSING.

SO THAT WOULD, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE THERE.

SO THEIRS WAS A PI WAS A PYLON AND NOT A MONUMENT, SO.

SO I, I MEAN, I, I DO, UH, APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS SOME TIME AND, AND RESOURCES THAT GO INTO WORKING ON AN APPEAL, BUT AS MR. CLAM SAID, IF YOU WIN THE APPEAL, THEY HAD TO SPEND TIME AND RESOURCES IN COMING TO APPEAL AS WELL.

SO SHOULD THERE BE ANY SORT OF, UM, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING GIVE 'EM BACK THE, THE APPEAL THING OR YOU KNOW, FROM A, BUT, BUT SAYING, HEY, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THIS APPEAL THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU WON YOUR APPEAL, WHICH MEANS IT SHOULDN'T, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO APPEAL TO BEGIN WITH.

AND SO NOW THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS HAD TO, OR THE SIGN OWNER MIGHT NOT BE A BUSINESS OWNER, BUT THE SIGN OWNER HAD TO THEN SPEND RESOURCES AND TIME, ET CETERA, AND GO INTO THE APPEAL PROCESS, JUST LIKE THE CITY DOES.

BUT IS IT RIGHT FOR THEM TO GO FOR THE CITY TO SAY, OH, YEAH, SORRY, OUR BAD COSTS YOU 300 BUCKS.

IT'S LESS THAN IT USED TO BE, SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

UM,

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UM, THIS IS THEM PROPOSING A NEW SIGN TYPE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, THEY'RE AT COURT AND SOMETHING BAD'S HAPPENED.

I'M NOT AGAINST REDUCING THE FEE OR WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS MEANT TO BE ADVERSARIAL.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.

BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A FEE TO COMPENSATE FOR THE STAFF TIME.

AND, AND THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A FEE FOR SOMEONE WHO JUST WANTS TO GET AN EXCEPTION.

RIGHT.

SO MASTER SIGN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FEE.

SO IF YOU WANNA GIVE AN EXCEPTION, YOU GO TO THE, YEAH.

UM, UH, THE, I THINK THE, THE SIGN, UH, VARIANCE THAT WE DID DO, THEY HAD INSTALLED A SIGN TYPE THAT WASN'T PERMITTED ON THE ROAD ALREADY.

UM, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WENT FORWARD.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS THEY WANTED AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN.

SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING THAT WE COULDN'T SOLVE.

UH, NOW MR. KLUM BROUGHT UP SOME OTHER TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED HERE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION? 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECTION.

TECHNOLOGY'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, SO YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT? I, I HADN'T HEARD ABOUT IT EITHER, BUT IT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT TYPE OF THING.

UM, OR MAYBE EVEN PUT IN, UM, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT INTO THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT AS TECHNOLOGY BECOME AVAILABLE, WE'LL REVIEW THESE AND KIND OF ADD SOME THINGS IN THERE SO THAT, SO THAT WE ARE BEING, UM, FLEXIBLE WITH THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL SOME BIG SIGN ORDINANCE MM-HMM.

, UH, UPDATE TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE IT HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ALWAYS, UM, ONE OF, ONE OF MY BIG, BIG THINGS IS WHEN THE CITY OR, YOU KNOW, UM, ACTORS FOR THE CITY ARE NOT DOING THINGS INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY, UM, CODES AND ORDINANCES, ET CETERA.

SO, YOU KNOW, HE TALKED ABOUT SUPER FLAGS AND THE INCONSISTENCY THERE.

WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE IT HERE, BUT I JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THAT COMING UP AS A THING.

UH, AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE IS LISTENING AND WILL PAY ATTENTION AND ADDRESS THAT.

UM, NO, I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

I, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THAT WENT INTO.

OH, NO, SORRY, I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN, WHICH IS WHY I'M FORGETTING .

UM, UH, MR. COMB MENTIONED SOME THINGS BY RIGHT VERSUS BY ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH WAS THE SWER FLAG WAS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

BUT HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE, SUCH AS THE STICKERS ON THE, ON THE WINDOW SIGNS AND SOME OF THE HEIGHT FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD GO TO, UM, TO GET AN EXCEPTION FOR.

IT WOULDN'T COST ANY ADDITIONAL IF HE WANTED TO PUT MORE SPACE IN, YOU KNOW, ON A WINDOW STICKER OR, OR WHATEVER, THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED.

BUT IS THERE A REASON WHY WE CUT IT OFF AT A PARTICULAR HEIGHT OR PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE? SO, UM, DURING THIS PROCESS, THOSE ITEMS WEREN'T BROUGHT UP AS CONCERNS, SO I DIDN'T RESEARCH THEM.

UM, IT JUST WASN'T SOMETHING ON THE LIST.

SO WE CAN DEFINITELY FIND OUT, BUT THAT'S OLD ORDINANCE INFORMATION, SO, OKAY.

SO THAT'S ALSO OLD ORDINANCE.

SO ALL, ALL I WOULD ASK IS THAT AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN, WHEN YOU PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL, IS JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT.

I THINK THEY WERE REALLY GOOD AND, AND VALID POINTS FROM MR. BRENE AND MR. CO.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UH, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM THEN, RIGHT? I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.

YEP.

IS, IS, ARE AREN'T SOME OF THESE THINGS, LIKE, I NOTICED THAT THIS GIVES STAFF MORE DISCRETION TO APPROVE SOME THINGS.

IT DOES.

SO THAT SHOULD CUT DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THERE'S A FEE.

THAT WAS OUR, OUR INTENT.

UM, 'CAUSE WE TOOK EVERY MASTER SIGN PLAN WE'VE DONE, AND EVERY VARIANCE AND EVERY PUD AND INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE, THE ORDINANCE IS SOME OF THE RATIONALE FOR A FEE.

I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED LEGAL EXPENSES AND SO FORTH, BUT ALSO PERHAPS TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM JUST EVERYBODY FILING VARIANCES SURE.

AND SO FORTH, TO HAVE SOME SORT OF FEE SO WE, WE COULD LOWER IT TO WHERE THERE IS STILL, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID.

BUT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S WAS REALLY HIGH.

I WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN, YEAH.

AGENDA ITEM 13, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROGRESS REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER, 2022 TO AUGUST, 2023.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, RIGHT, ROBIN? A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I SECOND ALL.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, I

[13. Discuss and consider action on the Planning & Zoning Commission Progress Report for September 2022 to August 2023.]

IT COULD HAVE STAYED DOWN THERE, .

UM, SO ON THE, ON THE DA Y'ALL HAVE A, A UPDATED, UH, PROGRESS REPORT.

UM, THERE WAS A, A TYPE ON THE REPORT THAT SAID, UH, COMMISSIONER MAY WAS GONNA STAY WITH THE P AND

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Z UNTIL 2052.

AND, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOLVED THAT WITH THIS UPDATE.

MM-HMM.

UM, BUT BASICALLY THIS, UM, GOES OVER ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE DIFFERENT TRAINING SESSIONS, WHAT'S HAPPENED, AND AN ATTENDANCE RECORD AND A LIST OF THE CASES WHERE THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION DIDN'T HAVE, UM, THE SAME RECOMMENDATION.

AND I'LL SAY THIS YEAR, UM, WE ONLY HAD THREE IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN A LOT MORE.

SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.

BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS, THIS DOES GET FORWARDED TO THE COUNCIL, UM, THE MEETING NEXT WEEK.

SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY CHANGES OR COMMENTS, UM, LET ME KNOW AND I CAN MAKE THE UPDATES.

ROBIN.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENTS CHANGES, RIGHT? THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, RIGHT? YEAH.

DO WE HAVE THE, I MEAN, IS IT AN ACTION ITEM? I THINK WE HAVE IT ON HERE AS WELL.

YEAH, IT DOES.

OH, NO, IT'S, CONSIDER ACTION.