[1. Call to Order.]
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THE TIME IS 6:00 PM AND THE MEETING OF THE LANDER PLANNING AND SIGNING COMMISSION WILL NOW COME TO ORDER NUMBER TWO, ROLL CALL.
[2. Roll Call
All Commissioners were present except Commissioner May and Commissioner Moss.]
[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the January 18, 2024, meeting.]
DIRECTORS REPORT.CAN Y'ALL ADVANCE? THERE YOU GO.
I'M REPORTING ON THE ITEMS THAT WERE TAKEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE JANUARY 18TH MEETING.
UM, THEY COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE ZONING CASE FOR THE A RS PRIDE PROJECT ON RONALD REAGAN, AND THEY DID APPROVE THE REQUEST.
THEY ALSO REVIEWED THE TWO, UM, CONCEPT PLANS, THE 180 3 A RE INVESTMENTS AND VILLAS AT SPEAKING ROCK, AND BOTH WERE APPROVED.
UM, THEY HEARD THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BAGHDAD MARKET, MINOR PUD.
THEY APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS.
THEY WANTED TO ADD A PROHIBITION AGAINST, UM, SELLING VAPE PRODUCTS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO WANTED TO, UM, ADD A REQUIREMENT FOR A PEDESTRIAN BEACON.
THIS ITEM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING, BUT, UM, STAFF NEEDED MORE TIME TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING BECAUSE ADDING A PEDESTRIAN BEACON IS A VERY SERIOUS ADDITION, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE EVALUATING IT CORRECTLY AND GOT THE RIGHT, UM, ENGINEERING STUDIES, UH, IN PLACE.
SO THAT'LL BE ON, UM, FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
ITEM FOUR IS THE REVIEW OF MEETING PROTOCOL, AND THERE'S NOT AN AUDIENCE YET, SO I THINK WE CAN SKIP OVER THAT ONE.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
NO ONE IS HERE, SO WE'LL ALSO SKIP OVER THAT.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
AGENDA.ITEM SIX AND SEVEN CAN BE PASSED WITH A SINGLE MOTION.
SECOND MOTION APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR.
[8. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case CP-23-0024 to adopt the Enclave at Crystal Falls Concept Plan and Preliminary Plat on four (4) parcels of land approximately 19.53 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031345, R031341, R031342, and R559253; generally located on the north side of East Crystal Falls Parkway approximately 1,000 feet west of Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard., Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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TO ADOPT THE ENCLAVE AT CRYSTAL FALLS CONCEPT PLAN AND PRELIMINARY PLATT PARCELS AND ACREAGE AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY, APPROXIMATELY 1000 FEET WEST OF RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD.
STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MICHAEL CHENOWSKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST AND SECOND STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 2 1 2 0.005 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, APPROVAL BY THE MUNICIPALITY IS REQUIRED SINCE THE CONCEPT PLAN SATISFIES THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS WITHOUT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS IN, UH, THAT FRONT EAST CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY, AND THEN ONE RESIDENTIAL CONDO LOT, UH, IN THE BACK.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? OKAY, SEE NONE.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
WE'LL START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
UH, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW WE HAVE TO TECHNICALLY APPROVE IT BASED ON LAW, BUT ARE THERE ANY, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UH, BASICALLY WHAT ABOUT 80 TOWN HOMES, CONDOS GOING IN THE BACK THERE, IS THERE ANY STIPULATIONS WE CAN PUT ON THIS THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST BUILD OUT COMMERCIAL OR DO SOME OCCUPANCY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT BEFORE WE APPROVE IT OR WHILE WE APPROVE IT? I THINK THE ZONING DOES REQUIRE 10,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, OF COMMERCIAL TO BE BUILT FIRST.
COMMISSIONER COLUM, I HAVE NOTHING.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
[9. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0082 to amend the current zoning of SFR-2-B (Single-Family Rural) and LC-2-B (Local Commercial) to Oakmont PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning districts of SFS-2-A (Single-Family Suburban), LC-2-A (Local Commercial) and GC-3-A (General Commercial) on six (6) parcels of land approximately 50.31 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R473796, R324593, R324592, R412990, R594957, and R594958; and to the east of the intersection of CR 274 and Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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I WILL NEED TO, UH, RECUSE MYSELF AND TURN THE MEETING OVER TO THE VICE CHAIRMAN.
OKAY, WE'RE AGENDA NUMBER NINE.
UH, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ZONING KZ 23 0 0 8 2 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF S FFR TWO B, SINGLE FAMILY RURAL AND LC TWO B, LOCAL COMMERCIAL TO OAKMONT PUD.
PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS OF SFS TWO, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN LC.
TWO, A LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON SIX PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY LOCATED, I MEAN APPROXIMATELY 50.31 ACRES IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS R 4 7 3 7 9 6 R 3, 2, 4, 5, 9, 3 R 3, 2, 4, 5, 9 2
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R 4 1 2 9 9 0 R 5, 9 4 9 5 7 AND R 5 9 4 9 5 8.AND THE EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF CR 2 74 AND RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD LANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
WE'LL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION.
CARINA CASTILLO WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES WITH STANDARDS THAT LIMIT THE SINGLE FAMILY DENSITY, PROHIBITS INTENSE AND UNDESIRED USES, ESTABLISHES THAT PRIVATE STREETS WILL BE IN PLACE AND PROVIDES FACING OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THAT IS SHOWN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AT THE INTERSECTION OF C 2 74 AND RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD WHERE THE EXTENSION OF ST.
GABRIEL PARKWAY WILL INTERSECT WITH RONALD REAGAN.
IT IS, UM, SHOWN THAT HIGH LOW SUM TRAIL IS CURRENTLY BUILT, BUT THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF THOSE PLANS.
SO THE ROAD IS CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, IF YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, IT KIND OF GOES A LITTLE BIT, UM, DEEPER ON THAT SIDE.
SO, UM, WHEN THIS PROJECT PROCEEDS WITH, UM, IF IT PROCEEDS WITH ACCESS OFF OF THIS ROAD, IT WILL NEED TO BE IMPROVED TO MEET THE CITY OF LAND STANDARDS AT THAT TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT.
THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS LOCATED IN ROOF TOPOGRAPHY WITH AN ESTIMATED DIFFERENCE OF 170 FEET IN ELEVATION.
UM, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ALSO REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS REQUEST BEING APPROVED IN ORDER FOR THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICTS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND STAFF IS WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT SCHEDULED TO MAKE SURE THEY ALIGN.
OKAY, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF RONALD REAGAN, UM, AND SOUTH OF 2 74.
SO REAGAN'S OVERLOOK SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH AND PALMERA RIDGE IS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF RONALD REAGAN.
AND THEN I KNOW I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TOPOGRAPHY.
TOPOGRAPHY AND THE SAN GABRIEL RIVER IS ALSO LOCATED ON THE NORTH AND RUNS TOWARDS THE EASTERN BOUNDARY.
YOU CAN SEE THE DARKER GREEN AREA.
UM, AND THERE ARE LARGE NUMBER OF TREES WHICH WILL BE MITIGATED DEPENDENT ON THE REVIEW.
THE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS TO WATER ALONG RONALD REAGAN AND WASTEWATER IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 1200 FEET SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON FEBRUARY 6TH OF LAST YEAR.
THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT INCLUDE REMOVING TOWNHOMES AND TRIPLEXES FROM THE PROPOSAL.
AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON THE, THE 8TH OF AUGUST OF LAST YEAR AT SIX 30 AT 17,920 ROAN REAGAN BOULEVARD.
A TOTAL OF 39 RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS DID ATTEND THE MEETING OR AT LEAST WERE SIGNED INTO THE MEETING.
UM, AND THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, INCLUDING DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION AND SHARED ACCESS BETWEEN THE REAGAN'S OVERLOOKS SUBDIVISION AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES, INCLUDING INCLUDED ADDING THE LOCAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, EXTENDING THE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES AND REMOVE THE REDUCED SETBACKS.
THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES A TOTAL OF 9.58 ACRES OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL 19.23 ACRES OF LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND 80 SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN LOTS AT A DENSITY OF 3.72 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS SITE HAS FRONTAGE ALONG RONALD REAGAN, RIGHT.
OF ALL THE PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS WILL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED AT THE TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT.
THE REQUEST DOES CONFORM WITH THE WATER RESOLUTION, WHICH PROPO PRIORITIZES LOW DENSITY USES COMPONENTS S-F-R-S-F-E AND SFS, THE PROPOSED BASE DISTRICT OF GENERAL COMMERCIALS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF RONALD REAGAN AND THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF ST.
THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPOSED LOCAL COMMERCIAL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY.
GO BACK TO THAT, UM, WHICH IS DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
STAFF DOES SUPPORT THAT IT IS AN EXTENSION OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER, SO WE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THE PORTION THAT IS PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL ALONG RONALD REAGAN RIGHT AWAY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE, THE PRIORITY MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS EXTENDED TO FOCUS, INTENDED TO FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL USES, NON RESIDENTIAL, AND FACILITATE MORE ACTIVATED NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES HIGHER STANDARDS SUCH AS PROHIBITED USES, LIMITED RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, PRIVATE STREETS, AND FACING OF DEVELOPMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED.
PRIOR TO THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR REVIEW AND STAFF IS WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO SCHEDULE THE REQUEST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION? OKAY.
WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS.
WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE SEVERAL CARDS HERE, UH, FROM RESIDENCE I THINK IN THE AREA.
IF I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND AT THAT POINT, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE ON.
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UM, OVERALL I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS WHOLE PROJECT.UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, SO I'M OPPOSED TO A PART OF IT IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS THAT I THINK MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS SHARE.
I'M ALSO THE SECRETARY OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, SO I'VE KIND OF COLLECTED INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, TO THE CITY.
AND THANK YOU FOR THEM FOR RESPONDING.
UH, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS OUR FRONT ENTRANCE.
UM, THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW THAT YOU HAVE, I THINK ON YOUR FILE AND IF SOMEBODY'S RUNNING THE SCREEN, THERE WE GO.
OR ANY OF YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE COME INTO THE FRONT, UM, AT, AND THAT HIGH L SUM TRAIL GOES OVER THERE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CONCRETE AND THEN PAVED LIKE A FIRE ROAD, AND THEN IT HAS A CUL-DE-SAC THAT A FIRETRUCK CAN TURN AROUND IN.
AND SO, UM, ANYWAY, WE AS, AS YOU ENTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE CONCERNS.
UM, WE, OUR FIRST CONCERN IS WE DO NOT WANT OAKMONT DEVELOPMENT TO USE OUR ENTRANCE AS THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL, THEIR COMMERCIAL, OR ESPECIALLY THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.
UM, THERE IS A BAD SIGHT LINE WHEN YOU COME OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRY TO TURN LEFT.
IT'S A BLIND HILL AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ACCIDENTS THERE.
WE HAVE 193 HOMES IN REAGAN'S OVERLOOK WITH MULTIPLE CARS FOR EACH HOME.
AND THEN PROPOSAL GIVES 80 HOMES.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY TWO CARS.
SO IT'S 160 MORE CARS COMING DOWN, THAT LITTLE L HIGH LONESOME AND TURNING AND THERE'S ONLY TWO CAR LENGTHS WORTH OF SPACE AT THAT POINT.
UM, COMING IN THE ENTRANCE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME THING IF THEY'RE TURNING LEFT AND YOU WOULD HAVE A BACKUP OF CARS THAT CAN'T TURN INTO THE SUBDIVISION 'CAUSE THEY'RE WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TURN LEFT.
AND THAT'S GONNA BACK UP TRAFFIC ON RONALD REAGAN, WHICH IS ALREADY HAVING MULTIPLE, ALL THE TIME WRECKS WITH PEOPLE.
REAR-ENDING PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, PALM MARROW RIDGE IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AND WE HAVE THAT TRAFFIC FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS THE, UM, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, TWICE A DAY, ALL THE TRAFFIC FILTERING RIGHT INTO THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT IN THERE THAT'S RIGHT IN PALMER RIDGE.
SO WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NEW TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH OUR SECTION AND IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE DANGEROUS AND IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT OUR FRONT ENTRANCE WOULD BE NICE, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION.
UM, IF YOU, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR ENTRANCE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SITUATION AND WE ARE GONNA CREATE THIS BOTTLENECK THERE.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD.
AND I JUST WILL NOTE ALSO, WE'RE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE HERO WAY EXPANSION AT OUR BACK ENTRANCE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, WE, WE COULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL IN A TWO YEAR TIMEFRAME TO HAVE BOTH OF OUR ENTRANCES ALL TORN UP AND HARD TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT.
SO WE HAVE SOME PRETTY BIG CONCERNS.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT IT BE WRITTEN IN THE PUD AND THIS IS WHERE I'M OPPOSING, IS THAT IT IS VERY VAGUE.
THEY'RE NOT SAYING EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
AND I'VE, THE DEVELOPER'S BEEN VERY KIND IN DISCUSSING THINGS WITH ME AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND TELLING US THINGS TIME'S UP.
UH, I HAVE A, UH, SANDY ADAMS, ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK? NOPE, YOU'RE GOOD.
WE'LL JUST PUT YOUR COMMENTS IN THE RECORD.
UH, ANEM WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME SPEAK? YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M THE RESIDENT OF THE LEANDER 80 YEARS.
UH, I'M THE WORK FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
I HAVE THE, UH, JUST I SEE THAT WHEN I CROSSING TO THAT ONE, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS GETTING TO THE DEVELOPMENT TO THAT ONE.
I'M REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT COMING TO THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL INTO THAT ONE.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS HERE I'M THE RESIDENT BECAUSE IN YOUR VIEW, SHOWING TO THAT ONE, MY PROPERTY BELONGS TO THAT ONE THAT IS, UH, ZONING NUMBER, UH, UM, UH, R 5 9 4 9 5 7.
THIS IS THE TWO PROPERTIES BELONGS TO THAT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS MY ACCESS POINT BY MY PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHY I ASK THAT QUESTION.
I WANT TO CLARITY ONTO THAT ONE.
WHERE IS MY ACCESS FOR MY PROPERTY? THAT IS MY FIRST QUESTION.
SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, YES, YOU, YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE MORE PEOPLE ONTO THE PROPERTY, BUT IN THIS PROPERTY, WHEN I SEE THAT ONE MIXED PROPERTY WITH THE 80 PEOPLE AND COMMERCIAL IS COMING TO THE SAME ROAD, IT'S MORE CONJUNCTION, MAYBE WE HAVE TO SEPARATE.
A RESIDENTIAL IS A DIFFERENT ONE AND COMMERCIAL IS A DIFFERENT ONE.
THAT IS, UH, GOOD, GOOD FOR US.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, BEFORE GOING TO THE PUBLIC, GIVEN TO THE MORE POTENTIAL PEOPLE ONTO THAT ONE, THE SECURITY OF THE TRAFFIC AND, UH,
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CONCERNS ABOUT THE PUBLIC.JUST YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE CURRENT RESIDENT.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
I'M NOT A OPPOSITE ON THIS WHOLE PROJECT, BUT I WANT TO CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
DANNY ADAMS WILL READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AND I NO NEED TO SPEAK ANYTHING UNLESS YOU WANNA HEAR ME.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HERE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? CAN CAN, CAN I TAKE MY TWO AND A HALF MINUTES OR LEFT? YES, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE THREE.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS STILL A GREEN LIGHT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UH, UH, WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS AT LEAST CON CONTENDED IS THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE PRIVATE ENTRANCE.
AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AND IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS HAVE CHANGED OUT THERE.
JUST THE DENSITY AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT OUR, YOU KNOW, I I, I KNOW I'M GONNA DIE ONE OF THESE DAYS.
I JUST DON'T WANNA DIE TRYING TO GET OUT OF MY OWN SUBDIVISION.
SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, UH, UH, IT'S A VERY TENUOUS SETUP BEING TOP OF THE HILL.
IT'S BLIND AND THINGS THAT Y'ALL ALREADY ARE WELL AWARE OF BY NOW.
SO I WON'T, I WON'T BEAT THAT HORSE TOO MUCH, BUT, UH, BUT THE MORE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE OTHER AVENUES OF SEPARATION AND JUST OTHER PLACES OF INGRESS, EGRESS AND SIGNALIZATION, I THINK THE BETTER OFF WE'RE GONNA BE.
ALRIGHT, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR MARKER? YOUR NAME? YOUR NAME, SIR? YEAH.
DANNY ADAMS. YEAH, I'M DANNY ADAMS. I'M, I'M THE ONE THAT SAYS NO NEED TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU MR. ADAMS. UH, WITH THAT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ACTION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I'LL START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CO.
UM, NO QUESTIONS REALLY AT THIS TIME.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE WELL MADE, I LIVE, UH, OFF OF REAGAN MYSELF AND, UH, UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BLIND LEFT TURNS FOR SURE.
BUT, UM, NO COMMENTS AT THIS POINT OTHER THAN THAT.
UM, SINCE THERE'S NO APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T THINK IT NECESSARY TO SHOW UP.
WELL, DID I, DID I READ THEY WERE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR PRIVATE ROADS WITHIN THE P WITHIN THE PUD.
YES, I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL ALONG DURATION FRONT A PORTION OF IT, YES.
AND, UH, I, AND, AND I THINK, UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN, I THINK THE, THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SPOKEN HAVE VALID CONCERNS, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
I, I THINK THAT THEY ARE, ARE, ARE VERY VALID AND, UM, AND ON TOP WE HAVE THIS COMP PLAN AND, AND IF IT'S NOT A DOG AND PONY SHOW AND WE GO THROUGH ALL THE EFFORT TO CREATE THESE THINGS, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE CITY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE STAFF AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SITTING UP HERE THINKS THAT THOSE THINGS ARE DOG AND PONY SHOWS.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY COMPELLING REASON TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T SHOW UP TO GIMME ONE, SO I'M GONNA BE A NO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAN.
SO, SO I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT'S ALREADY, ALREADY BEEN RAISED, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE HIGH LONESOME, UH, TRAIL ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE USED AS A PRIMARY INTEREST.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY, THERE'S NOTHING DELIVERED IN THE CONCEPT PLAN.
THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO KIND OF REFUTE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A HARD SELL FOR ANYONE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, EVEN IF, EVEN IF THE RESIDENTS HADN'T SHOWN UP TONIGHT, BUT, WHICH I DO APPRECIATE THEM COMING OUT.
UH, IT JUST, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THAT ROAD AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT TRAFFIC'S GONNA MEAN TO, TO THAT AREA, IT'S JUST, UM, AGAIN, IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BOGGLING TO ME ON, ON HOW WE'RE GONNA, UM, APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND CREATE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA CREATE.
NOT QUITE AS MUCH, BUT IT, IT'S STILL A LITTLE CONCERNING AS WELL.
UM, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT.
YOU GUYS SEE HOW I'M GONNA SWING TODAY? SO, GOT IT.
UH, YEAH, SO I, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE ACCESS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER COSGROVE AND COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
UH, I, I ACTUALLY, THE, THE PRIVATE ACCESS, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT, THAT LITTLE ROAD THAT THEY SPEAK OF THE, THE ONE WHERE YOU KIND OF TURN INTO THE RIGHT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT, THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE ROAD THERE THAT, THAT CAN'T BE THERE ONLY, ONLY IN AND OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE 80 HOUSES THAT ARE GOING BACK THERE, PLUS THE BUSINESSES
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THAT ARE GONNA BE BACK THERE.I ALSO SEE THAT THERE IS A SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY, AND SO I KNOW PART OF THE REMEDY WITH PALMERO RIDGE AND REAGAN'S OVERLOOK IS THAT SAN GABRIEL WILL CUT THROUGH AND THE LIGHT WILL BE THERE AND THAT'LL BREAK TRAFFIC UP AND THAT'LL HELP IMPROVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING ON RONALD REAGAN.
BUT THAT'S STILL PROBABLY A LITTLE WAYS AWAY.
IS THERE PLANS FOR RONALD REAGAN TO GO I, SORRY? IS THERE PLANS FOR SAN GABRIEL TO GO ACROSS RONALD REAGAN AND NEXT UP, I GUESS, BORDER THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AND THEN THERE TO BE ACCESS OVER THERE OR NO? NO, IT WILL NOT BE EXTENDING PAST RONALD REAGAN.
IT WILL BE INTERSECTING BUT NOT EXTENDING.
UM, IT IS NOT PART OF THE CIP RIGHT NOW, SO THEY'RE DOING THE OTHER PORTION TO THE WEST, BUT NOT THE PORTION TO THE EAST.
SO IT IS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND IT ALSO DOESN'T INTERSECT WITH THIS PROPERTY, SO IT IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THIS PROPERTY WOULD NOT HAVE A MEDIAN CUT.
AND THEN THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL.
SO, I MEAN, UNLESS THEY, UNLESS THEY PUT SOMETHING IN THE PLAN WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS FROM RONALD REAGAN THAT DOESN'T USE THE REAGAN'S OVERLOOK ACCESS.
IT'S, IT, IT'S A HARD NOTE FOR ME AS WELL.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR VOTE.
UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY FROM COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COLO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OR DENIED? ALRIGHT, IT IS DENIED UNANIMOUSLY.
WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND WE WILL COME BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 10.
[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Comprehensive Plan Case CPA-23-0009 to amend the Comprehensive Plan land use category from Multi-Use Corridor to Neighborhood Residential and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0102 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) and Interim SFR-2-B (Single-Family Rural) to SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban) on seven (7) parcels of land approximately 234 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R485247, R485248, R031575, R392187, R392188, R031534, and R031533; and more commonly known as 14750 Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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JUSTIN HUNT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT, PROCESS AND ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DES DESIGNATED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME, UH, SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS, THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST REQUIRES THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BE APPROVED BEFORE THE APPROVAL OF THE ZONING.
A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL REVIEW WAS HELD DURING THE NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023 CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING.
DURING THE MEETING, THE COUNCIL CONFIRMED THAT THEY WERE NOT AGAINST THE APPLICANT SUBMITTING THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THIS ITEM WILL BE, UH, WILL REQUIRE TWO ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN.
IF THE COMMISSION AND COUNSEL WISH TO APPROVE THE ZONING REQUEST, THEY WILL FIRST NEED TO APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
UM, SOME PROPERTY LOCATION INFORMATION.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL CORNER AT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD AND JOURNEY PARKWAY.
THERE IS ALSO A CHURCH AND A DAYCARE TO THE NORTH OF JOURNEY PARKWAY AND THE CATALINA RANCH IN BARKSDALE SUBDIVISIONS, UH, CONCRETE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, RONALD REAGAN COMMERCIAL MIXED USE IS LOCATED WEST OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD, ALONG WITH LEAN JUNCTION APARTMENTS AND THE LENNOX HILL TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
THE CITY OF LEANDER CITY LIMITS ARE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION.
UH, THE ENTIRE SITE CONTAINS SIGNIFICANT TREE COVER, UH, AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
THIS PROPERTY HAS ACCESS TO RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD AND JOURNEY PARKWAY.
UH, 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS WILL BE, UH, DEVELOPED ALONG RONALD W. REAGAN AND A FUTURE SECONDARY TRAIL SYSTEM ARE SHOWN ON OUR PASTOR.
UH, OUR MASTER PARKS PLAN AND WILL, UH, BE REVIEWED UPON THE SUBMITTAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN SET.
UH, JOURNEY PARKWAY IS A COLLECTOR PLANNED TO INCREASE TO A FOUR LANE ARTERIAL, BUT THERE ARE NO CIP PLANS AVAILABLE, UM, OR, UH, PLANNED FOR NOW.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ACCESS TO WATER AND WASTEWATER AS SHOWN IN THE PLANNING ANALYSIS, FIGURE ONE AND FIGURE TWO.
AND THE SITE IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A LARGE RESIDENTIAL LOT OF, UM, UNDEVELOPED LAND.
A DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD WITH STAFF ON AUGUST 7TH, 2023.
THE FOLLOWING CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD.
THE DE DEVELOPMENT MEETING PROPOSAL INCLUDED 40 FOOT TO 70 FOOT LOTS, BUT NOW ONLY 70 FOOT LOTS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
IN ADDITION WITH THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, IT, IT'S ACCOMPANIED WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
JUST, UH, FOR Y'ALL'S INFORMATION, THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TWO, UH, FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024, WHICH WAS PUBLISHED IN THE HILL COUNTRY NEWS ON
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DECEMBER 28TH, 2023.THIS WAS RESCHEDULED FOR MARCH 7TH, 2024 AND WILL BE RE NOTIFIED.
UH, PUBLIC NOTICES WERE ALSO MAILED OUT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, DO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
AND THE AGENT ALSO PERFORMED A NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITH LOTS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY AND ANY PROPERTIES USED AS SINGLE FAMILY AND HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN 500 FEET.
AS PER ARTICLE 10, SECTION 3D OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEATING WAS HELD AT 6:00 PM ON NOVEMBER 27TH AT STYLES MIDDLE SCHOOL ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THE MEETING WERE INTEREST IN CONNECTIONS TO RONALD W. REAGAN AND, AND ALSO NEW STOPLIGHTS.
ALSO, IF THIS COULD ALLEVIATE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS REGARDING FUTURE CAPACITY LEVELS TO STYLES MIDDLE SCHOOL AND IF THERE WAS ANY BUFFERS BETWEEN, IF THERE WOULD BE ANY BUFFERS BETWEEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, COMMENTS FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC ISSUES ALONG NEW HOPE DUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDING, UH, THE PERFECT GAME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UM, IN OUR, WITH OUR NEIGHBOR CEDAR PARK, UH, THERE'S ALSO DRAINAGE CONCERNS AND THAT COULD AFFECT OR IMPACT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH WHERE IN, UH, SUPPORT OF, UH, LESS INTENSE USE THAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS REQUEST, BUT THE DEVELOPER, UH, STATES THAT THEY WILL DEMONSTRATE HOW MANY OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE, HOW MANY OF THEIR CONCERNS WOULD BE MITIGATED.
THE THE FULL REPORT IS UNDER ATTACHMENT NINE.
IN WORKING WITH THE APPLI APPLICANT, THE STAFF DOES SUPPORT THE REQUEST BASED ON THE ADJACENT LAND USES OF RESIDENTIAL AND SCHOOL, UM, USE MOVING TOWARDS THE EAST ALONG JOURNEY PARKWAY.
UH, THE TOP TOPOGRAPHY LIMITATIONS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE ARE ALSO A FACTOR IN THE AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
STAFF HAS RECOGNIZED THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS TRENDING MORE TOWARDS THE RONALD W. REAGAN BOULEVARD IN RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL AS YOU MOVE EAST ALONG JOURNEY PARKWAY.
IN ADDITION, THE PROPOSAL OF 70 FOOT LOTS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE.
22 DASH 0 3 1 DASH ZERO ZERO WATER RESOLUTION, WHICH PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZES LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE.
COMPONENTS OF S-F-R-S-F-E AND SFS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CASE AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK, IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? THERE IS AN APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
I'LL, ALL RIGHT, I'M SURE I'LL MESS THIS UP,
UH, I'M THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, ALSO HERE TONIGHT IS LJ THE ENGINEER.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND TALK AND REALLY APPRECIATE HOW THE STAFF HAS BEEN TO WORK WITH ROBIN AND TEAM.
THE PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR AND CONCISE AND, AND IT'S JUST BEEN A, A PLEASANT AND, UH, UH, QUITE HONESTLY A LITTLE SURPRISE AS WE GO WORK WITH OTHER CITIES.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, I WON'T TRY TO REPEAT MUCH WHAT I SAID AND I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS QUICK.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
UM, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAM, UH, MYSELF AND ALSO ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE IS RIVERSIDE RESOURCES THAT SPECIALIZES ON THE COMMERCIAL FRONT.
UH, AND LJ DOES A LOT OF WORK IN LEANDER AND THE GREATER AREA AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT LOCATION, UH, HERE'S THE SITE.
UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE ALL 289 ACRES UNDER CONTRACT AND OBVIOUSLY THE ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL ARE THERE.
UM, AGAIN, ON NOVEMBER 16TH, WE MET THE CITY, CERTAINLY SUPPORTED THE CHANGE ON THE, UH, MULTI-USE TO NEIGHBORHOOD USE, WHICH WE ACTUALLY PROPOSED THAT, UH, BOTH SIDES OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WOULD GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD USE.
BUT THE STAFF OR THE, UH, CITY ONLY CITY COUNCIL, LET, SHOULD SAY, ONLY SUPPORTED THE EASTERN PORTION, UH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING TONIGHT, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES, UH, CHANGING FROM MULTI-USE TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
WE, UH, ALSO ARE LOOKING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AS DISCUSSED.
UH, THE PORTION IN ORANGE IS WHAT WE'RE REZONING, UH, APPROXIMATELY 234 ACRES TO SFS TWO B, WHICH IS 70 FOOT LOTS, ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE RECENT RESOLUTION.
UH, AS DISCUSSED, WE, WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT
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WE THINK OVERALL WENT REALLY WELL.UM, THE TWO PRIMARY CONCERNS WE GOT WAS TRAFFIC AND THEN SOME SETBACKS.
UH, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, UH, YOU KNOW, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC AND SETBACKS.
JUST A NOTE, THERE'S A, A WASTEWATER EASEMENT THAT IT, THAT BORDERS THAT PROPERTY.
SO THERE WILL BE A NATURAL, UH, SETBACK THERE BECAUSE OF THAT EASEMENT THAT'S IN PLACE.
UM, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH HAD, UH, WERE ACTUALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON JOURNEY BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL AND, AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE SCHOOL IN OTHER WAYS.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICTING FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, BUT OVERALL WE THINK THOSE ITEMS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN AND NOT IN THE ZONING.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY OUR PRESENTATION.
WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOO MANY ITEMS I THINK TO PRESENT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE PROCESSES IN REGARDS TO THE RESOLUTION.
UM, AND EVERYTHING THAT STAFF HAS WALKED US THROUGH, UH, WE FULLY INTEND TO BUILD A FIRST CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND, AND, UH, BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL AND, AND DESERVING OF BEING IN, UH, LEANDER.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NOT AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF WE THANK YOU AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, MR. DAVID SMITH OF 30 19 PASEO DEROS WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT HE IS AGAINST THIS ITEM.
HE SENT THAT IN WRITING, SO WE'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
AND WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
SINCE, SINCE, UM, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS UNDER CONTRACT, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN ENTIRE ZONING CASE HERE SO THAT WE ZONE THE OTHER PORTIONS APPROPRIATELY VERSUS JUST THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AT THIS TIME? I DUNNO IF THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION OR A DEVELOPER QUESTION, WHICHEVER YOU, WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER, I'M, I'D HAVE TO BE ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR CAN GO INTO DIFFERENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE BEST AND USE IS FOR THOSE AT THIS TIME.
AND AS YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE RESIDENTIAL COMES BEFORE THE COMMERCIAL, AND SO WE JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A BAD POSITION AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, PUTTING EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IN A BAD POSITION BY ZONING AT SOMETHING AND THAT POTENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO GET REZONED DOWN THE ROAD.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THIS, THIS WAS THE, UH, BEST WAY TO, UH, MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
UM, SIMILAR CONCERNS, BUT, UH, NOT QUITE AS LARGE AS THE PREVIOUS CASE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE SOME THINGS BLOCKED OUT.
I WOULD, I JUST PERSONALLY WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THAT ALREADY ZONED THE APPROPRIATE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS FOR THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR ORDER TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SUPPORTING THAT AND NOT TRYING TO BRING IN MORE RESIDENTIAL THROUGH THAT SPACE.
AGAIN, I THINK IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO AMEND THE FLUME AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE, WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT.
AND, AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY PROTECTS THE CITY IN REGARDS TO THAT BEING COMMERCIAL LONG TERM.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT WE ARE, ARE WE NOT AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP BY GIVING YOU THAT PEACE EAST EASTERN JOURNEY? WE ARE, WE ARE AMENDING THE FLU AND, AND THE, AND I THINK, AND I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE LOGIC THAT RESIDENTIAL HAS TO COME BEFORE COMMERCIAL HAS GOTTEN US INTO A, A TON OF TROUBLE IN THIS CITY GOING FORWARD.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER MAY, UM, IS SAYING, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH AMENDING THE FLUME FOR THAT PIECE TO THE EAST OF THE SCHOOLS.
I THINK IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT IT, IT, IT MAKES EVERYTHING FLOW BETTER.
UM, I ECHO, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, WHY WE ARE JUST ZONING, GIVING THE ZONING ON THOSE PIECES, NOT ZONING THE WHOLE THING OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BE WELL, WE KNOW WE WANT IT TO BE, I THINK COMMERCIAL.
SO I'M, I'M, I I KNOW WHERE I WANT IT TO BE
YEAH, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION, BUT THE, THE, UH, THE PORTION WE ARE ASKING TO REZONE THE PORTION THAT, THAT THE FLU'S CHANGING, WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYTHING ELSE TO CHANGE IN THE FLUME.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE WOULD LOVE TO COME AND ZONE THAT, MEANING WE, WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LONG TERM AND, BUT BECAUSE IT CAN FALL UNDER MULTIPLE USES, WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE QUITE YET.
UM, THE DEMAND ISN'T THERE YET TO, TO TELL US THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE FLUME THE WAY IT STANDS, AND IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT OR YOU ALL APPROVE THIS, PROTECTS THAT AND WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA NITPICK WORDS HERE, UH, ALL NIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S SLIGHTLY NOT
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CORRECT BECAUSE YOU STILL WANT TO CHANGE THIS INTO SFS, WHICH IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE MORTIZ CORRIDOR.SO THERE'S STILL COM, THERE'S STILL PORTIONS OF IT, WHICH IS WHY ALL THE, THE PARCELS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, UM, IN THIS, UH, ITEM.
SO I, I CAN HELP CLARIFY THAT.
UM, FROM A A STAFF PERSE PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT LINE AND THEY HAVE A, A NATURAL, IS IT A, IS IT A CREEK OR, WHICH IS WHY, WHICH IS WHY I'M ACTUALLY NOT WORRIED AND CONCERNED, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND YOU SPENT, YOU KIND OF ARE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT PROPERTIES AREN'T GONNA FIT PERFECTLY INTO OUR SQUARES AND CIRCLES.
AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND I'VE, AND, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT SHOULD, I'M, I WILL NEVER SUGGEST THAT IT SHOULD.
I THINK I'VE EVEN MENTIONED IT ONE TIME WHEN WE WERE TALKING UP AROUND THE, UH, 2243 AREA.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE'RE ONLY DOING PART OF THIS ENTIRE THING, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY, MY CONSTERNATION IS ON, ON THE ENTIRE THING.
SO YEAH, I THINK TYPICALLY Y'ALL, Y'ALL EXPERIENCE IT, UM, ONCE THE HOUSES ARE BUILT AND THEY'RE COMING IN TRYING TO DO THE COMMERCIAL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T WANNA SEE IT.
SO IT KIND OF, UH, MANAGES EXPECTATIONS IN A WAY.
IT IT REALLY WORKS IN A DEVELOP AGAINST THE DEVELOPER TO PUT IN THE RESIDENTIAL FIRST, BECAUSE ONCE YOU PUT IN THAT RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE GONNA, OH, I DIDN'T MOVE IN AND WANNA BE BESIDE A X, Y, Z.
SO LOOKING AT IT IN TOTALITY BECOMES, I THINK THE PLUME STILL CLEARLY STATES THAT IT'S MIXED USE.
SO THERE WOULD STILL BE A TWO STEP PROCESS TO MAKE THAT RESIDENTIAL AND, AND THAT BLACK LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE WITH THE ORANGE, THAT IS THE, THERE'S A MAJOR, UH, KIND OF DRAINAGE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE FALL THAT ACTUALLY, IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ZONE WHERE THE, THE CROSS HATCHES ARE.
SOME OF THAT ACTUALLY IS OUTSIDE OF THE, THE LUM.
AND LET'S SEE HERE, RIGHT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, SOME OF THIS, IF YOU DREW THAT LINE STRAIGHT THROUGH HERE, I THINK SOME OF THIS ACTUALLY LIES IN THE, THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, BUT ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, STAFF, THEY CAN AMEND THOSE LINES, UM, AND VARY.
SO, ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON AND LET, UM, THE OTHER TWO COMMERS SPEAK, UH, VICE CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES.
I MEAN, THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, I CAN SEE IT THERE.
THIS IS THE MAP THAT I WANTED TO SEE.
UH, I MEAN, FIRST I'LL JUST, JUST KIND OF ECHO THE SENTIMENT.
I, I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO FOR THE ZONING AND THE PLAN IS TO PUT COMMERCIAL THERE.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RURAL MM-HMM,
I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING PROBABLY NOT GONNA PUT A RURAL DEVELOPMENT THERE
UM, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT ABOUT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL BEFORE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN THAT'S, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HERE, YOU KNOW, FALL IN LINE WITH THAT.
WE, WE OFTENTIMES EVEN, EVEN SAID IT EARLIER THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL BUILT BEFORE THE RESIDENTIAL GETS BUILT.
SO, UM, EITHER WAY, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING RESIDENTIAL AROUND THE SCHOOL.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE BETTER DEVELOPMENT THERE.
I DO KNOW THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON, ON JOURNEY ARE TERRIBLE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE RECENT CLOSURE OF 1 77 IS CAUSING MORE TRAFFIC, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT EITHER WAY, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN SCHOOL IS COMING IN AND OUT, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUTTA THERE.
AND SO IF YOU ARE OFFERING, ARE YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU'RE OFFERING ADDITIONAL ACCESS OUT OF, UH, STYLES OR AIKEN, UH, SCHOOLS THERE ONTO JOURNEY OR ONTO RONALD REAGAN? YEAH, AGAIN, IT, IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE PRELIM, BUT THIS RIGHT HERE WE WOULD ASSUME WE'RE TYING INTO, UH, YEAH.
UM, AND, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT, AND OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE CONNECTIVITY TO, UH, JOURNEY FOR SURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IF NOT ONE, IF YOU KNOW MORE THAN ONE CONNECTION TO RONALD REAGAN AS WELL.
AND SO THERE'D BE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
AND THEN FROM A, FROM A FOUR LANE, THE JOURNEY IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED INTO A FOUR LANE RT, ORTO.
SO WHEN, WHEN IS THAT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN OR DOES THIS PROJECT HELP FUND THAT? IT, IT'S NOT A CURRENT CIP PROJECT LIKE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A WAYS OFF.
I MEAN, THE PROBLEM IS WE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT 230 ACRES HERE.
I MEAN, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE YOU LOOKING AT PUTTING IN A 70, 70 FOOT WIDE LOT? SO YOU PUT AT 500 HOUSES, 400 HOUSES IN THERE AT LEAST, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTED FOR A CONCEPT PLAN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE PLUS OR MINUS 550.
UM, AND THEN LET'S ASSUME THE, THE MULTI-USE IS GONNA BE PROBABLY MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, RONALD REAGAN FACING, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE THOROUGHFARE IN AND OUT OF, UH, OF THEIR ESTABLISHMENT TO RONALD REAGAN DIRECTLY.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING UP AND DOWN RONALD REAGAN AND THAT LIGHT AT JOURNEY.
I, I KNOW IT DOESN'T CYCLE SOMETIMES AS WELL, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN IN FROM RONALD REAGAN ONTO JOURNEY IT, THAT LEFT TURN LANE DOESN'T CYCLE AND YOU'RE STUCK BACK BEHIND COAL SPRINGS AND YOU'RE IN A DANGEROUS,
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DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS SITUATION.SO I, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY DO SOMETHING AROUND A, ADDRESSING THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THERE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH I IMPROVING THE TIMING OF THE LIGHTS, OR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FAST TRACK SOME OF THE, THE ROAD DEVELOPMENTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR PUT A DIFFERENT PLAN IN PLACE WHERE THIS HAS SOME DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.
IT DOESN'T SPIT EVERYTHING OUT TO JOURNEY.
UM, 'CAUSE THE, THE TRAFFIC IS JUST GETTING TERRIBLE AROUND HERE AND WE, WE JUST CAN'T KEEP BUILDING MORE AND MORE HOUSES AND, AND NOT ADDRESS THE ROADWAYS.
SO WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE CERTAINLY IN SUPPORT IN, IN REGARDS TO MAKING TRAFFIC BETTER AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN PROCESS, WE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, BUT I SOLID.
COMMISSIONER KLUM, UH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
I GUESS MY COMMENTS, UH, ARE FOR STAFF REALLY ARE QUESTION.
SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BRING THIS BACK TO US WITH WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS WERE WANTING TO SEE WITH THE COMMERCIAL AREAS DEFINED, RATHER THAN US CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO TURN THIS ALL INTO FSFS? SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONLY AMENDING THE PORTION, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT'S ADJACENT TO JOURNEY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY PIECE THAT'S CHANGING TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND, UM, IF WE DID WANT THEM TO COME BACK AND ZONE THE COMMERCIAL PORTIONS ALONG RONALD REAGAN, UM, IT'S A NEW PUBLIC NOTICE, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST BE PUSHED ANOTHER MEETING.
THEY WOULD BASICALLY BE STARTING OVER OKAY.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD NOW THAT EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO TALK? DO YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? I THINK WE'RE ANYONE ELSE WANNA HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THEM? NOT RIGHT NOW, NO.
SO ARE WE DOING THIS IN TWO PARTS? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? IT'S TWO ACTION ITEMS. TWO ACTION ITEMS. SO IT WOULD BE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, BEFORE THE, THE ZONING.
YOU WANT THAT FIRST? YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M, I THINK THE, THE CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE TO THE COMP PLAN MAKES SENSE.
I THINK THAT PIECE TO THE EAST OF THE SCHOOLS, UM, MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME TO BE, UM, RESIDENTIAL.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN.
I'LL SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? OKAY.
NEXT IS THE ZONING, UH, MOTION FOR THE ZONING CASE.
THEN I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR OLIVER.
THE TIME IS NOW, UH, 7 47 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.