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THE TIME IS 6:00 PM AND THE MEETING OF THE LANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
[2. Roll Call.]
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT.[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the April 18, 2024 meeting.]
THREE IS THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE APRIL 18TH MEETING.
UM, THIS ACTION WAS ON ITEMS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY COMPLETED SEVERAL SECOND READINGS.
THEY APPROVED THE TIGER MOUNTAIN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THE OAKMONT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THE HERO WAY AND MAIN STREET MEDICAL OFFICE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEY ALSO APPROVED THE EXTENSION REQUEST FOR THE BLOCKHOUSE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
AND THEY CONDUCTED THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BURLESON ZONING CASE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND FINALLY, THEY, UM, DID APPROVE THE HUMANE HEROES APPEAL.
AND, UM, THAT'S IT FOR MY REPORT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MS. GRIFFITH? OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UP ON THE WALL TO MY LEFT IS OUR MEETING PROTOCOL.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK OVER THAT, IT'S HOW WE CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS.
THIS IS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
WE WILL ADDRESS THE ONES THAT, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WITH EACH AGENDA ITEM.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THAT.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? SEEING NONE WILL MOVE ON.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ITEM SIX THROUGH TENS CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE PASSED WITH ONE MOTION.MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR.
MOVING ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[11. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Subdivision Case CP-23-0027 to adopt the Sullivan Tract Concept Plan Revision #1 on nine (9) parcels of land approximately 308.288 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R022920, R473838, R473839, R022741, R356046, R473837, R022922, R022921, and R022923; generally located west of North Bagdad Road and approximately 1,200 feet south of CR 281, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING SUBDIVISION CASE CCP DASH 23 DASH 0 0 27.TO ADOPT THE SULLIVAN TRACKED CONCEPT PLAN, REVISION NUMBER ONE ON NINE PARCELS OF LAND, UH, IS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA.
THIS IS LOCATED WEST OF NORTH BAGHDAD ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 1200 FEET SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 2 81.
THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THAT WHICH INCLUDED 146 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON 294.2 ACRES AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT ON 14.09 ACRES.
THE PROPOSAL TODAY DOES INCLUDE 214 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR IN SIZE TWO, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? IT'S HERE FOR QUESTION HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION BUT HERE FOR QUESTION.
AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE ONE CARD, UH, SOMEONE WISHING TO SPEAK.
IT'S DEBBIE ALMOND AT 2204 WHIT OAK COURT.
PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 2204 WHI CO WHIT OAK COURT IN LEANDER.
AND WE'RE JUST, UM, NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY, I WAS KIND OF HOPING TO, THERE WOULD BE A FEW MORE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS, BUT SO MY QUESTIONS ARE, YES, THEY INCREASED THE, UM, MORE LOTS THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US BEFORE.
THERE'S ALSO THREE PHASES NOW INSTEAD OF TWO.
AND SO I WAS KIND OF WONDERING WHEN THOSE PHASES WOULD BE GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION.
PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, AND PHASE THREE.
'CAUSE THE DATES THAT ARE ON THIS PAPER ARE NO LONGER, I DON'T THINK ARE, ARE GONNA BE, UM, ENFORCED.
UM, WHAT PHASE IS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY GONNA BE IN? UM, AND WILL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE BE DONE ALL AT ONCE? I THINK BEFORE IT WAS GONNA BE KIND OF DONE IN STAGES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GONNA DO THE COMPLETE INFRASTRUCTURE AT ONE TIME AND THEN BUILD THEIR 77 LOTS AND THEIR 71 LOTS AND THEN THEIR 88 LOTS? AND THEN, UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS WHAT ACCESS POINTS WILL BE OPEN AT THAT POINT? UM, OUR SUBDIVISION HAS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT CURRENTLY.
AND SO THERE'S GREAT IMPACT WITH US, UH, WITH THE SUBDIVISION GOING IN.
AND WE UNDERSTAND AND THERE ARE ACCESS POINTS TO BE CONNECTED AND THAT'S GOOD.
I JUST WANNA KNOW WHICH POINTS ARE GONNA BE OPENED AND WENT.
'CAUSE LAKELINE OBVIOUSLY IS NOT GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UM, AND ROAD IMPROVEMENT FOR 2 79.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S EXTREMELY BUSY AND EVEN GETTING HERE TONIGHT, WHICH ISN'T, I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR, UH, WAS LONG, LONGER THAN IT HAS BEEN.
SO JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS GETTING, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PLANS TO GET THAT DONE, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE LIGHT SAN GABRIEL, WHICH IS REALLY
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NICE, BUT WE'RE ADDING MORE, MORE TRAFFIC, SO THANK YOU.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 11? COME ON UP.
IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME UP AND THEN FILL A CARD OUT FOR US AFTERWARDS.
JAMES LYONS 27 0 1 MONDAY RANCH TRAIL.
LEANDER, UH, QUESTION IS, ARE THEY GONNA SEPARATE THE HOUSING UNITS FROM IE FROM GREAT WOOD? 'CAUSE THEY WERE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING PUTTING, UH, WALL UP OR WHAT TYPE OF FENCING TO VERIFY IT BECAUSE THEY WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PUTTING WOOD FENCES, ALLOWING THEIR ACREAGE TO PUT WOOD FENCES UP VERSUS ROD IRON.
AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LISTENING TO YOU.
WE CAN'T DO IT TWO WAY, BUT YEAH, WHEN WE ENTER DISCUSSION, PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS CAN COME UP.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
WE'LL START DOWN HERE WITH COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
UH, I, I, I'M NOT, SINCE WE'RE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO APPROVE THIS ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY CONVERSATION IS ALWAYS GONNA BE MOOT, BUT I REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT CAME UP.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WITH THE ACCESS INTO THE SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH OF IT BEING GREATWOOD, WHICH IS MINE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I, I LIVE IN GREAT WOODS, SO, UH, IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW AND THEN TO THE EAST BEING WHITT RANCH, UM, AL ALWAYS MY ASK OF DEVELOPERS IS JUST TO MINIMIZE THE FLOW THROUGH TRAFFIC IS TO REQUEST THAT YOU PUT IN CRASH GATES IN THERE VERSUS OPEN STREETS.
AND THAT'LL MINIMIZE JUST PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC FOR THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST MY ASK AS A COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER, MAY I HAVE NO QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MOSS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
UH, SO QUICK QUESTION TO THE, UH, APPLICANT.
IF, IF YOU WANNA COME UP REAL QUICK, UM, SPECIFICALLY JUST CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US AN I, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHY IT WENT FROM A HUNDRED AND UH, 46 TO ABOUT, WHAT, 214 UNITS? SO YOU, YOU INCREASED IT BY 60? SO ORIGINALLY IT WAS CONTEMPLATED TO BE A COMBINATION OF ONE ACRE AND TWO ACRE LOTS.
SO SIMPLY WE'RE GOING TO ONE ACRE LOTS.
SO YOU JUST REDUCE A LOT THAT BY THE ZONING.
SO THAT WAS JUST A MARKET PREFERENCE.
IT WORKS IN WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EXISTING, UH, USES AROUND, BUT THAT WAS REALLY JUST THAT AND THAT KICKED OFF A LAND PLANNING.
SO WE ALSO ARE PUTTING MORE AESTHETICS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS JUST MORE OPEN SPACE, UH, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN.
AND WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
BUT REALLY IT WAS JUST, UH, OPENED US FOR REDESIGN, SO.
THE WHOLE DELTA IS JUST ACRE LOTS.
AND THEN AS FAR AS JUST ADDRESSING SOME OF THE, THE TRANSPORTATION, UM, DO, DO YOU HAVE, CAN YOU MAYBE POINT ON THE MAP OR PROVIDE SOME, AT LEAST SOME INSIGHT INTO LIKE WHERE SOME OF THE ACCESS POINTS ARE GONNA BE TO THE, UH, TO THIS COMMUNITY ONCE? I MEAN, UH, WELL, THERE'LL BE A MAIN ACCESS OFF OF BAGHDAD, KIND OF WHERE YOUR CLICKER, YOU CAN USE THE
KIND OF LIKE WHERE THIS KIND OF, WHERE THAT ARROW IS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN CONCERN TO WHIT RANCH IS THIS ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH MM-HMM.
ORIGINALLY, AND WE, WHEN WE WENT TO DO AN ANNEXATION OF THIS PROPERTY ORIGINALLY THAT WAS, UH, CONTEMPLATED AS A, UH, CORRIDOR STREET, IT WAS DOWNGRADED, UH, TO A, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS.
AND WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE CITY ON EGRESS AND ARIS.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T DETERMINE THAT.
UH, BUT WE'VE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH ANYBODY ABOUT IT.
BUT, AND WE WILL, IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES THAT HAVE COME UP, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
UH, AND THE QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE PHASES, THAT'S JUST REALLY, WE ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE HAD THIS, UH, LAST TIME, IT WAS TWO PHASES.
WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE DOWN TO LIKE THREE PHASES.
UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ON HOW THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S, THIS IS JUST, UH, GOING TO BE STREETS, IT'S GONNA BE BAR DITCH, IT'S GONNA BE SEPTIC.
SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ON GOT IT.
HOW WE PHASE PHASE THAT OUT, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO DO, UH, LESS DISTURBANCE PER, PER PHASE.
WELL, AND GIVEN THAT THEY'RE ACRE LOTS, IT'S GONNA FLOW WELL WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN WHITT RANCH, SO YEAH.
BUT IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION TIMING, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THAT.
AND IN FACT, IT'LL, IT'LL BE A MORE STEPPED OUT COMMUNITY EVEN THAN IT WAS LAST TIME AROUND.
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YOU.YOUR ANSWERS AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
COMMISSIONER KALO, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANKS.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS A CASE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO APPROVE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE THE ZONING.
SO WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT.
SO THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY THE VICE CHAIR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[12. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Special Use Case Z-24-0107 to adopt a Special Use Permit to allow for the operation of a Mobile Food Establishment Park on one (1) parcel of land approximately 0.18 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036077; and more commonly known as 203 North Brushy Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
ITEM 12, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SPECIAL USE CASE Z DASH 24 DASH 0 1 0 7.TO ADOPT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT PARK ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND.
THIS IS KNOWN AS 2 0 3 NORTH BRUSHY STREET STAFF PRESENTATION.
UH, MY NAME'S MARYLEE VAN LUBIN AND I'M WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS FOR THE AL SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PLACEMENT AND OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT OR MFE PARK THAT WILL INCLUDE TWO MFE.
THIS REQUEST ALSO INCLUDES THE PLACEMENT OF ONE VINTAGE TRUCK AS A PERMANENT DECORATIVE FIXTURE.
THE VINTAGE TRUCK DISPLAYS NIGHT OWL SIGNAGE.
THE M-F-M-F-E PARK WOULD OPERATE.
IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING NIGHT OWL BAR, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 10 B TWO OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH STATES THAT MFE SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 150 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT.
UH, ATTACHMENT SIX PROVIDES THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS.
AND THIS PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES A WAIVER FROM LANDERS ALLOWABLE SIGNAGE REGULATIONS BY USING A VINTAGE TRUCK TO SERVE AS ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND THE TRUCKS WILL REMAIN IN A PERMANENT LOCATION.
SO THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 0 3 NORTH BRUSHY STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH BRUSHY STREET AND WEST BROAD STREET.
UM, IF YOU WANNA LOOK OVER AT THE MAP TO THE NORTH, YOU HAVE WILDFIRE PARK, WHICH IS, UM, ALSO IN MFE PARK.
AND THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL LAND USES LOCATED TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE NIGHT OWL BAR.
UM, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE, THE BLUE SECTIONS ON THE MAP.
UM, THOSE PROPERTIES DO HAVE, UM, THEY DO HAVE ISSUED COMMERCIAL SITE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
UH, CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, UH, BETTER KNOWN AS WAHOOS.
AND THEN THE WHISKEY, UH, TANGO, FOX TROTT SITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THEN PAT BRYSON MUNICIPAL HALL IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICE MAILED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, THE AGENT REACHED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS OF PROPERTIES OWNED AS SINGLE FAMILY OR ANY PROPERTIES USED AS SINGLE FAMILY USES WITHIN 500 FEET.
AS PER ARTICLE 10, SECTION 3D OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, ANY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET WERE ALSO CONTACTED.
NOTIFICATIONS WERE DELIVERED THROUGH USPS AND BY HAND DELIVERY.
NO CONCERNS WERE EXPRESSED DURING THEIR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE FULL REPORT FROM THE APPLICANT ATTACHED AS ITEM NINE.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A TRANSITIONAL AREA OF OLD TOWN AND IS CONSISTENT WITH NEARBY USES, WHICH INCLUDE OTHER BARS AND EATING ESTABLISHMENTS.
THE APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW THE MFE PARK USE FOR 10 YEARS.
UH, I'M AVAILABLE FOR, UH, QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO, UM, AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 12? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER KALO.
UM, I CONSIDERED RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS CASE.
UH, I, I KNOW THE NIGHT OWL OWNERS, THEY'RE VALUED INDUSTRY PARTNERS OF MY COMPANY.
AND, UH, I, I THINK THEY KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL I WANT THEM TO BE.
UH, BUT LAST YEAR, UH, I STOOD FOR THREE MINUTES IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, THIS IS NOT ME GRANDSTANDING, BUT THIS IS ME FRUSTRATED.
AND THE REASON I'M FRUSTRATED IS THE VERY REASON THAT I'M NOT RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS CASE BECAUSE THE PLAIN TEXT OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO BE ANYTHING, UH, BUT UNBIASED IN THIS CASE.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS.
I THINK THAT IS A, THAT THAT'S A GREAT ADDITION.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE LIBERAL IN TERMS OF, OF ALLOWING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, BUT THE SIGN ORDINANCE ITSELF, IT, IT CLEARLY PROHIBITS TWO THINGS, VEHICLE SIGNS AND VISIBLY INOPERABLE VEHICLES, UH, USED AS SIGNS.
AND THOSE ARE TWO THINGS, UH, UNDER SECTION 3.0 8.013.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THE, UH, I THINK THE, THE TRUCK IS A COOL THING.
UH, I, I WISH I COULD ALLOW IT.
UH, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, THERE'S NO ROOM, UH, IN, IN, IN THE ORDINANCE FOR IT.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, REGARDING THIS REQUEST BEING CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE GOAL STATEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
EITHER THAT'S TRUE OR THE SIGN ORDINANCE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, A COMMENT THAT STAFF MAY HAVE ON THAT.
UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY OBSERVATION.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT LAND USE, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT SIGNAGE.
THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
UM, STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
UH, HOW IS THAT WHEN THERE IS A CLEAR PROHIBITION ON, ON VEHICLE SIGNS SURE.
AND ON, UH, VISIBLY INOPERABLE SIGNS, WHICH THIS IS BOTH.
SO IT IS A VARIANCE THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MM-HMM.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA SET UP THE SIGN ORDINANCE TO NOT HAVE SORT OF A NEUTRAL APPLICATION ASPECT TO IT, WHERE WHAT'S GOOD FOR OLD TOWN IS NOT GOOD FOR TOD IS NOT GOOD FOR HERO WAY WEST IS NOT GOOD FOR REAGAN.
UM, THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE FROM A, JUST FROM A A, A FAIRNESS STANDPOINT.
UM, BUT UNDER THE CURRENT SIGNED ORDINANCE, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY IT STAYED SO FAR.
UH, THE ORDINANCE IS, IS CLEAR AS FAR AS THE VARIANCE THAT'S REQUESTED GOES.
UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED THROUGH THE ENTIRE SIGNED ORDINANCE PROBABLY FOR THE 30TH TIME, NO EXAGGERATION.
UM, I DON'T SEE THE MECHANISM FOR PROVIDING THAT, THAT VARIANCE.
WHEN I LOOK AT EXCEPTIONS, UH, WHAT I DO SEE IS A SECTION WHERE, UH, A SIGN CAN BE APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL.
UH, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE CONSTRAINED BY THE SAME LIST OF PROHIBITED SIGNS.
AND THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO, SO FAR I DON'T SEE A PATH FOR ME TO, YES.
ON THIS, UH, THE MASTER SIGN PLAN.
I, I, I DON'T SEE AN ESCAPE HATCH IN THERE ANYWHERE.
UM, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE UNDER MASTER SIGN PLAN STILL HAS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PROHIBITED SIGNS THAT ARE LISTED, UH, IN, IN THE UPDATED SIGN ORDINANCE.
UM, SO IS THERE A REASON, UH, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH THIS IS COMING TO US TONIGHT INSTEAD OF BEING APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEAL, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT.
AS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU CAN GRANT A WAIVER ON SPECIFIC THING OR ON CERTAIN THINGS.
SO THEY ARE ASKING THIS AS PART OF THEIR WAIVER, JUST LIKE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DISTANCE.
AND, UM, I FORGOT WHAT THE THIRD ONE IS, BUT, UM, MARYLEE HAD MENTIONED, BUT, UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE LISTED ITEMS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SINCE THIS DOES GET APPROVED AS AN ORDINANCE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S TIED TO THE ORDINANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXCEPTIONS THAT THE, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
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AND APPEAL COULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, TALKS ABOUT THINGS LIKE NOVELTY SIGNS AND, AND, AND, AND WHATNOT.BUT, UM, BUT THERE'S, THAT WOULD STILL, THEY'D STILL BE PROHIBITED FROM APPROVING, UH, AN INOPERABLE VEHICLE OR A VEHICLE SIGN.
UM, I WISH THIS WEREN'T THE CASE.
I MEAN, I, I, I KNOW THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING EITHER THIS COMMISSION OR THE BOA BEING AN END RUN AROUND THINGS THAT WERE IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMISSION BE ABLE TO BE A CHECK ON GOVERNMENT POWER AND GRANT, THE POWER GRANT, THE ABILITY TO, UH, TO HAVE A SIGN IF WE ALL AGREE THAT IT'S A, A REASONABLE EXCEPTION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE A CASE WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT AN EXCEPTION ROUTE.
UM, AND I THINK WITHOUT A CHANGE TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE ITSELF, UH, I, I, I CAN'T FIND A WAY TO YES, UH, YES TO THE, YES TO THE FOOD TRUCKS FOR SURE.
UH, BUT UNDER THE CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE, UM, AN ABSOLUTE NO TO THE, THE INOPERABLE VEHICLE OR THE VEHICLE SIGN.
UM, AND DEFINITELY A NO TO INEQUITABLE TREATMENT BASED ON CHARACTERS, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST MAKE ONE PART OF THE, THE COMMUNITY DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
MS. GRIFFIN, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS, THE COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THE WAIVER ON THE SIGN? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALONG SPECIAL USE, YOU CAN DO SO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YOU CAN DO SO WITH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT, THAT WAS PART OF, UM, OUR CHANGES.
WE DID THE SIGN ORDINANCE COUNCIL WANTED US TO HAVE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CURES AND, UH, LEGAL AS WELL AS CITY STAFF RECOGNIZE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN A PUT AS THAT AVENUE.
SO I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS.
UH, I, I'M ACTUALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SIGNAGE HERE.
AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN WE, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, UH, OLD TOWN LEANDER MASTER PLAN.
UH, IT WAS HAP HAPPENED TO BE ON A COMMITTEE THAT WAS REVIEWING THAT.
AND, AND THEY WERE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE CITIZENS AND, AND THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE, UH, THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT GOING BACK LAST YEAR WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE AND CHANGES, WE, WE HAD MADE SOME POINTS ABOUT OLD TOWN LEANERS SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.
IT, THE SIGNAGE SHOULD LOOK DIFFERENT.
IT SHOULD HAVE AN OLD TOWN FEEL, UM, FROM THE STREET SIGNS TO EVEN THE, UH, THE BUSINESS, UH, SIGNS EITHER SHOULD BE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, SIGNS THAT COULD BE MADE OUTTA WOOD.
MY, THE, THE MAIN THING HERE, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT WITH THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST IS THAT THAT TRUCK NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND SO OUR, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THOSE TIRES AREN'T FLAT.
THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF DEBRIS AND, AND STUFF THAT'S COLLECTED UNDERNEATH THIS TRUCK.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LEAVES AND COBWEBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND TRASH THAT GETS COLLECTED.
UM, I JUST, IT STILL NEEDS TO HAVE A VERY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC AESTHETIC AND LOOK AND FEEL.
UM, LIKE ANY SIGN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TRASH AND RUBBISH AROUND IT.
SO I THINK THE MAINTENANCE OF IT IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT HERE.
AND THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT CODE, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT SIGN IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT HERE AND KEY TO ENSURING THAT THAT SIGN IS A VALUABLE FIXTURE AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ASSET TO OLD TOWN LEANDER.
SO THAT WAS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE, THE, THE TRUCK AND I'M DEFINITELY OKAY WITH THE FOOD
SO HOW CLOSE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY FEET, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT ON THE SCREEN, IT'S IDENTIFIED THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE NIGHT OWL PROPERTY.
AND THEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE WAHOO TACOS.
IT'S, IT WAS RECENTLY REMOVED, SO IT'S, IT WAS RESIDENTIALLY USED, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE.
SO THE CLOSEST ONE WOULD BE THE BLUE, UM, LOT TO THE, THE WEST OF NUMBER ONE.
BUT THAT'S STILL WITHIN 150 FEET.
SO IF YOU SEE THAT LITTLE BLUE DASHED LINE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO PONDER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT THIRD SECTION OVER THERE, IS THAT A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, THAT THIRD SECTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE? THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME
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THERE.I'M NOT, I'M NOT TOO HAPPY WITH THAT.
UM, BUT UH, AS FAR AS THE SIGN GOING, THE FOOD TRUCK, YEAH.
WELL, COMMISSIONER MOSS, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ADD AND JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN MM-HMM.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU DO SEE SOME, SOME LEGACY RESIDENTIAL THERE, EVENTUALLY ALL OF THIS IS ULTIMATELY GONNA BE COMMERCIAL.
BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OF RESIDENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
MAY, UM, I THINK THE VEHICLE MAY BE SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OLD TOWN IN THE PAST.
I REMEMBER THE, UM, FOOD TRUCK PARK THAT WAS TO THE NORTHEAST, UM, SMOOTH VILLAGE.
THEY HAD THE BIG LONG BUS THAT WAS TURNED INTO A BAR WITH A BIG SIGN ON TOP.
THEY HAD THE TWO TRAILERS THAT HAD THE, UM, WAS IT A BEAUTY SALON? MM-HMM.
THERE WAS CON THAT THEY HAD PLACED SIGNS, UH, THEY WERE RELATED SIGNS.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAD TO HAVE VARIANCES FOR, THEY WERE ALSO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT INCLUDED THE SIGNAGE.
AND WE APPROVED THE, BOTH US AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED BOTH OF THOSE VARIANCES OR SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN THE PAST.
UM, AND I DO THINK THAT OLD TOWN IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE CITY.
I, I, AND I, I DO AGREE, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER COLO THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE CITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, OLD TOWN IS THE DIFFERENT AREA OF THE TOWN THAT I KIND OF WARRANTS THESE THINGS.
IF THEY, IF THEY WERE ASKING FOR A SIMILAR THING IN A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN, I DON'T, I IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME REQUEST, IF YOU WILL.
SO I THINK, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER KLO RAISES SOME POINTS AND, UM, AND, AND YES, OLD TOWN IS DIFFERENT.
UM, AND IF THAT IS IN FACT DIFFERENT AND WE WANT A DIFFERENT FIELD OF OLD TOWN, WE SHOULD HAVE A, A SIGN, A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR OLD TOWN SO THAT WE AREN'T COMING HERE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES HERE.
IF IT'S DIFFERENT, LET'S CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS HERE'S WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE IN THIS DIFFERENT LOCATION.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M BEING ASKED TO DO NOW IS, IS I'M NOT ASKED TO CALL BALLS AND STRIKES.
NOW I'M ASKED TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT I THINK THAT FITS.
I MEAN, I, I I THINK IT IS, IT IS AWESOME.
UM, AND LIKE COMMISSIONER MOSS, I LIKE THE FOOD
I, I, I JUST, I I WANT TO MAKE THINGS EASIER ON PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DEVELOP AN OLD TOWN TO BRING GOOD PROJECTS TO OLD TOWN, TO MAKE OLD TOWN THE PLACE WE WANT IT TO BE, TO BE THE PLACE I THINK IT CAN BE.
UM, I, I GO TO PLACES LIKE WIMBERLEY, I GO TO PLACES LIKE OLD TOWN SPRING.
I SEE A LOT OF REALLY COOL THINGS HAPPENING THAT I THINK WILL BE HAPPENING HERE.
UM, I, I THINK WE MAY, AND I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX IN A SECOND,
AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
UM, WELL, NOT EVERYTHING IS RESOLVED, AT LEAST INTERNALLY FOR ME.
ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, SO I'M GOOD.
AND I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF IT.
I LIKE MR. UH, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE'S, UH, SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE WE WORKSHOP, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE TO CLARIFY THIS AREA.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S OUR ROLE OR, SO WE, IF THAT'S OUTTA BOUNDS FOR US, WE HAVE THE, THE SMART CODE THAT HAS SPECIAL SIGN REGULATIONS, UM, FOR THE, THE TOD.
UM, AND WE CAN DO MASTER SIGN PLANS BY DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
BUT WE CAN PROVIDE MORE FEEDBACK.
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IS AN ACTION ITEM.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY THE VICE CHAIR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? OKAY.
[13. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0112 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to GC-3-C (General Commercial) on four (4) parcels of land approximately 14.5 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031758, R098017, R473771, and R098019; and generally located approximately 475 feet to the west of the intersection of Hero Way and Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard on the northside of Hero Way, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
13, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE C DASH 24 DASH ZERO 12 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM SFR ONE B TO GC GC THREE C ON FOUR PARCELS OF LAND, 14 ACRES IN SIZE.I THINK YOU SAID THE LAST ONE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, BUT YOU TWO AGAINST, OH YOU WERE AGAINST.
WAS THERE ONE AGAINST OR TWO AGAINST TWO SHE ACTUALLY VOTED FOR.
I WAS PERSUADED BY THE DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE AGAINST.
DID YOU GET THAT? SO MOSS WAS AGAINST OH NO I DID NOT.
UM, CHANGING FROM INTERIM S FFR ONE B TO GC THREE C ON FOUR PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 14 ACRES IN SIZE, UH, PARCELS AS STATED IN THE AGENDA, THIS IS LOCATED 475 FEET TO THE WEST OF INTERSECTION OF HERO WAY AND RONALD REAGAN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERO WAY.
THIS IS, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL, THE NEIGHBORING WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL TRACK.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN AERIAL JUST FOR REFERENCE.
THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THAT IS ALONG RONALD REAGAN AND THEY ALSO OWN A PROPERTY THAT IS NORTHWEST OF THE SITE.
SO IT'LL BE ALL OF THIS PROPERTY AND THIS EVENTUALLY WILL BE ADDED ONTO IT.
SO THEY'RE MAKING THE REQUEST SO THAT THEY CAN DO AN OVERALL COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, OFFICES, AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WILL OH, WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED.
UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS THAT PROPERTY, UM, THAT I JUST POINTED OUT AND INTENDS TO DEVELOP THAT ONE.
UM, THE ONE THAT'S TO THE NORTH, THAT, UM, TRIANGLE PORTION.
UM, THEY INTEND TO DEVELOP IT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY'LL ALLOW FOR LIKE A STEP DOWN ZONING TO BUFFER THE PRO, THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USES FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES.
THAT SIDE WILL, WILL REQUIRE A ZONE CHANGE FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT CAN MATCH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
UM, THIS IS SOUTH OF PALMER RIDGE SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST IS THE GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND THEN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE WEST ARE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
AND THE SOUTH IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
SO CURRENTLY IT DOES HAVE A POND AND TREES.
THOSE WILL BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE AND MITIGATION DURING THE TIME OF SITE DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE APPLICANT DID HOLD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON 1219 OF LAST YEAR.
UM, AND THEY HAD A FEW CONCERNS COME UP ABOUT SITE LIGHTING AND BUILDING HEIGHTS, WHICH THEY ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, THEY DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE ACTIVITY CENTER AND IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMERCIAL.
THE SITE HAS ACCESS TO HERO AWAY, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE A CONTROLLED ACCESS ROADWAY WITH COMMERCIAL USES USES ON BOTH SIDES.
THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS ALREADY ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND A PORTION OF THE ABUTTING PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES.
STAFF DOES SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? THERE ISN'T PRESENTATION BUT I'M HERE TO QUESTION.
AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE TWO COMMENTS SUBMITTED.
I HAVE BENJAMIN DAVIS, 1924 WOOLSEY WAY.
HE IS AGAINST THIS ITEM AND WANTS HIS WRITTEN COMMENTS ADDED TO THE RECORD.
I ALSO HAVE ROCKY BROWN, 25 12 BELAN DRIVE.
HE IS AGAINST THIS ITEM AND WANTS HIS WRITTEN COMMENTS ADDED TO THE MEETING RECORD.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 13? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO INTO DISCUSSION.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST THIS TIME.
I'M GONNA LET MYSELF GO FIRST.
DONNIE, UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LITTLE TRIANGULAR AREA.
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IT TO BE ZONED AT A LATER TIME.BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL WHERE AIRPORT DRIVE COMES DOWN AND, AND COMES INTO THAT PROPERTY, THERE'S, THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT THERE LITERALLY FEET FROM WHERE THIS PROPERTY COMES IN AND THERE'S A GATE THERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT PROPERTY'S GATED OFF AND IT'S REALLY GONNA IMPACT THAT HOME.
NOW THERE'S A POND ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TOO MUCH OF A AN ISSUE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS HOME RIGHT HERE? UM, YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HOME AT THE END, KIND OF AT THE END OF THE PALMERA RIDGE.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STRAIGHT THAT AIRPORT DRIVE.
YEAH, THERE'S A GO DOWN FURTHER.
THE LAST HOME ON AIRPORT DRIVE.
THERE'S A GATE THERE THAT MM-HMM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE ZONING IT ALL AT ONCE.
IS, IS THERE, UH, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
MAYBE THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO ANSWER IT, BUT I JUST AM CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GO AHEAD AND WE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT AND WITH IT BEING COMMERCIAL, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
I'M JUST WORRIED THAT SOME OF US MAY NOT BE UP HERE WHEN IT COMES BACK THROUGH AND REMEMBER THAT OH THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT COMES BACK THROUGH AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL THIS IS ALREADY ZONE COMMERCIAL.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA PROTECT THOSE HOMES RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE.
I WILL LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER.
I KNOW THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT REQUEST.
UM, THEY DO OWN THAT PROPERTY ALREADY, SO IT IS STILL THERE.
THEY OWN THAT TRIANGLE PARCEL.
THEY OWN THE ONE THAT THEY'RE MAKING THE REQUEST ON RIGHT NOW AND THE PROPERTY THAT'S TO THE EAST.
COULD YOU ANSWER THAT FOR ME?
THE NAME IS GREG HERMAN 1 0 7, PIT, STONE COVE, GEORGETOWN.
UM, I ACTUALLY MET WITH THAT HOMEOWNER.
HE ATTENDED OUR MEETING AND HE'S IN FULL SUPPORT.
WE ALSO, WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE, THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES THIS NEED TO BE? WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS GET TURNED DOWN AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF WATER ISSUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST SAYING WELL HOLD OFF BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SURE IT'D BE ACCEPTABLE TO BE ZONED AT THIS POINT.
IT'LL INCREASE THE, UH, DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S, BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR ZONING AT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S ONLY 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL WE WANT AT THIS POINT.
AND I NOTICED THAT, UH, MOST OF YOUR PROJECT'S GONNA BE SINGLE STORY, VIRTUALLY ALL OF IT.
LIGHTING AND THAT WAS DUE TO THE, UH, GAS STATION.
AND YOU'VE SEEN THOSE AT NIGHT.
THERE A MILLION LOOMS. OURS IS GONNA BE NOTHING NEAR THAT.
AND IT'S ALL SINGLE STORY 'CAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT A POSSIBLE HOTEL OR SOMETHING.
AND WE'RE JUST OFFICE, YOU KNOW, FLEX OFFICE, UM, AND RETAIL.
ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FEET OF RETAIL.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
OKAY, SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE, THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING, GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC THREE, RIGHT? SO THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN SAY WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPER'S GREAT.
I LOVE THE PLAN AND HAVE AN OFFICE AND, AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT AS SOON AS WE ZONE IT GENERAL COMMERCIAL, IT IS FOREVER GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE DO THAT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THIS BUTTS RIGHT BACK UP INTO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING WITHIN GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND I THINK, OH, THERE WE GO.
THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING WITHIN GENERAL COMMERCIAL, ALL THE, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTH.
UM, IF WE LOOK TO, THANK YOU, IF WE LOOK TO THE WEST, UH, THAT'S THIS BUTTON, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF WE LOOK TO THE WEST, THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS A PUD GENERAL COMMERCIAL WHICH ABUTS TO RONALD REAGAN, NOT RONALD REAGAN, BUT HERE AWAY I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT THIS PORTION UP FRONT IS FINE FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BUT BACK HERE IN THE BACK, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ZONING IT FOR LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER LOCAL COMMERCIAL FOR THE ENTIRE THING.
AND IF THEY WANTED SOME ADDITIONAL USES, WE PUT SOME ACCEPTABLE USES IN THERE.
YOU GUYS KNOW MY PREFERENCE AROUND THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN ABOUT HAVING IT MATCH THE SURROUNDING, ESPECIALLY AGAINST WHAT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE OF HERO WAY BEING THERE AS WELL.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTIVITY CENTER ON OUR LITTLE CHEAT SHEET, IT HAS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS A SECONDARY USE.
SO YOU KNOW, WE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE CAREFUL WITH HOW MUCH GENERAL COMMERCIAL WE PUT IN IN A SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE THAT CLOSE TO A RE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
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I, UH, I SHARE A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS OF COMMISSIONER MAY ON THAT O ONLY BE NOT THAT I I I THINK YOU WON'T DO A GREAT JOB.UM, NOT THAT, I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF IF IT'S SINGLE STORY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
THE ISSUE HERE, I I IS THAT ONCE WE GIVE ZONING THOSE THINGS DON'T REALLY MEAN MUCH.
UM, I LOVE THE, I I THINK I I I HAVE LESS CONCERN I THINK THEN, THEN MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE GC ON THE FRONT.
UM, I DON'T EVEN HAVE AS MUCH CONCERN ABOUT THE GC ON THE BACK.
IF THE PROJECT IS SINGLE STORY WITH, WITH, UM, FLEX OFFICE AND, AND RETAIL.
I, I THINK THOSE THINGS WORK THERE.
UM, I I JUST GET VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STRAIGHT GC THREE AND RESIDENTIAL.
THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT MAKE ME NERVOUS.
COMMISSIONER MAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE COME IN AND TAKEN.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF PALM RIDGE WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO BE GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA.
I KNOW THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IT WAS ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND THE BUILDER CAME IN, CHANGE IT FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, SOLD EVERYBODY THEIR HOMES.
AND THEN A HOTEL COMES UP AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, HOW CAN THE CITY ALLOW THAT TO BE BUILT BY OUR HOUSE? UM, THIS CASE IS ON THAT FENCE BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THE ZONING NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I HAVE FULL FAITH THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD WHAT HE SAYS HE WANTS TO BUILD HERE.
BUT LIKE, I LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER MAY HAS SAID IF FOR ANY REASON THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS TO SOMEONE ELSE, WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM BUILDING A FOUR STORY HOTEL.
WHAT WAS THE, I THINK THE BUFFER'S 50 FEET OR 75 FEET TO EVEN BUILD FOUR STORY HOTEL, A HUNDRED F 75 TO A HUNDRED FEET FROM SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
AND THAT, THAT HAPPENED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS ALLOWED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, OURS WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
WE TOOK GENERAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND MADE IT RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I I MAYBE WE NEED TO CLARIFICATION IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THAT BUFFER, BECAUSE I THINK EVEN WITH A HOTEL, THEY EVEN HAD THE ABILITY, THE STREET WEST BROAD IS CONSIDERED A, WAS THAT CONSIDERED A BUFFER WHERE THEY, THE SETBACK CHANGED OR, UM, IT WAS A, A COLLECTOR.
UM, AND AT, AT THE TIME WE HAD A DIFFERENT, UH, ORDINANCE.
SO WE HAVE CHANGED IT DOWN MORE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS.
SO THERE IS A GREATER SETBACK BETWEEN THE TWO AND THAT THAT WAS A GOOD THING TOO.
SO, BUT THE, THIS IS A CONCERN.
UM, BUT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY APPLAUD PROBABLY 80% OF THAT BEING GC THREE, UH, GIVEN WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE AT GC THREE WHERE THAT'S AT ON RONALD REAGAN AND HERO WAY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR COMMERCIAL AREA FOR OUR CITY.
COMMISSIONER MOSS, I ALWAYS HAVE A CONCERN WHEN, UM, BUSINESS IS GONNA BE RIGHT UP AGAINST, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
YOU KNOW, WILL THE PRESSURE STILL BE THERE? HOW MANY TIMES WILL WE HAVE TO BOIL BECAUSE OF ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON? SO, UM, I UM, I'M KINDA LEERY ABOUT, UM, THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND I AGREE WITH MY, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE COULD, YOU CAN PROMISE THAT YOU ARE ONLY GONNA DO THIS AND SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, GET IT.
AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU GET A STRIP CLUB NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THIS CAN HAPPEN AND THEN AT THAT POINT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY, UH, AWARDED THE PERMIT.
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I'M, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE, SO I'LL LET EVERYBODY ELSE TALK AND PROCESS HOW OUT THE SIDE ON THIS.SO, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS HERE.
I, I WITH GENERAL COMMERCIAL BUTTING UP TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND, AND AT LEAST WITH WITHIN A COUPLE OF LOTS, IT'S ONLY AFFECTING JUST A FEW LOTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS REALLY ENOUGH TO SAY WE SHOULDN'T APPROVE THIS.
FOR ONE, IT'S IN THE ACTIVITY CENTER, UM, WHICH, WHICH APPLAUDS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND, AND TWO, UH, HERO WAY IN 2243, THAT CORRIDOR IS GONNA BE A FOUR-LANE LIMITED ACCESS HIGHWAY WITH, WITH, WITH BASICALLY, UH, OR CONTROLLED ACCESS HIGHWAY, BASICALLY WITH, UM, WITH, UH, FEEDER ROADS.
NOW WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BREAK GROUND ON THE EASTERN PART OF THAT SOMETIME LATER THIS YEAR WITH COMPLETION AROUND 2026.
SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE MAJOR ROADWAY EXPANSION ON HERO WAY IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, WHICH MEANS THAT'S GONNA BE A PERFECT CORRIDOR FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR BUSINESSES.
I GO LOOK AT THE PARK WHERE MY WIFE AND I DO A LOT OF SHOPPING DOWN THERE IN CEDAR PARK BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF SHOPPING IS TODAY.
ALL OF OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO THE CITY, TO THE SOUTH OF US.
OKAY? WE'D RATHER KEEP OUR TAX DOLLARS HERE AND SHOP HERE.
BUT I LOOK AT THE PARK, I LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
UM, I EVEN KNOW A FORMER, UH, YOU KNOW, CEDAR PARK CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO LIVES IN THAT SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU'VE GOT DICK'S SPORTING GOODS, MARSHALLS AND ALL OF THAT, UH, COMMERCIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS JUST RIGHT CLOSE NEXT TO ALL OF THAT, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ON DISCOVERY BOULEVARD.
SO I, I LOOK AT THAT AND THAT WAS A REALLY WELL DONE.
THERE'S A NICE WALL, THERE'S A GREAT BUFFER.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S, AND THERE'S ALSO LIMITED ACCESS.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY HALF THE TIME I'M DRIVING DOWN DISCOVERY, I WISH I COULD GO RIGHT INTO THE PARK, BUT THEY HAVE IT, THEY HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIRE LANE.
THEY HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, ROPED OFF AND YOU CAN'T ACCESS ACCESS IT EXCEPT FOR ONE ROAD THAT'S CLOSER TO NEW HOPE.
SO, UM, I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS THE, THE, THE, THE RIGHT APPROACH HERE.
NOT TO MENTION, I ALSO LOOKED UP ALL THE LAND AROUND THE AREA AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS APPLICANT OWNS MOST OF THE LAND TO THE EAST OF THIS AS WELL, INCLUDING THAT LITTLE, UH, CORNER THAT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR, UH, ANY CHANGES ON.
AND, AND THAT'S ALL GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
I'LL LOOK UP AND DOWN RONALD REAGAN AND I LOOK AT COLD SPRINGS AND HAZELWOOD AND THERE'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL RIGHT ALONG RONALD REAGAN THAT BACKS RIGHT UP TO, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE IS A TRANSITION AND OUR CITY DOES, I THINK A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ENSURING THAT TRANSITION IS NOT GONNA BE DISRUPTIVE.
UM, AND SO I DO TRUST THAT OUR CITY DOES A REALLY NICE JOB OF THAT.
SO I, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS, IS WORTH APPROVING.
MY ONLY, UH, ADDITION TO THIS IS THAT THAT 3.6 ACRES THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET REZONED TONIGHT, MAKE IT A PARK, NOT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, BUT MAKE IT A PARK.
YOU KNOW, DONATE THAT TO THE CITY AND LET THEM TURN IT INTO A GREEN SPACE THAT CAN COMPLIMENT THE, UH, GENERAL COMMERCIAL THERE AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFER TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR ALL THE COMMENTS.
UM, SO, UM, TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER HAN'S, UH, CONCERN, UM, THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO POSTPONE THE CASE TO THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE REQUEST THAT WE COME BACK WITH A, A MINOR P TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE USES THAT YOU HAD CONCERNS ABOUT.
THIS WOULD NOT DELAY THE OVERALL TIMEFRAME OF THE PROJECT 'CAUSE THERE IS A MEETING IN BETWEEN.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF THE, UM, APPLICANT WAS INTERESTED IN PURSUING, WE COULD TALK ABOUT.
SO, SO THEN I'LL, I'LL JUST JUMP IN AND ASK, UM, SIR, WHAT DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT MS. GFU WAS TALKING ABOUT ON, UH, DELAYING IT SO WE COULD GO BACK AND CREATE A PUD VERSUS THE STRAIGHT ZONING? IT DOESN'T DELAY ANYTHING FOR YOU, BUT ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT? AH, IN FACT, INITIALLY IT WAS HERE COMMAND BECAUSE I WENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING AND THIS WAS WITH THE OLD, UH, MAYOR, EXCUSE ME, AND THE OLD, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
AND HE BASICALLY LOOKED AT ME AND SAID IN THIS, PUT, I'M GONNA GET AFTER YOU.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TO THE DEVELOPER 35 YEARS AND I'VE ALWAYS USED PUDS TO TRY AND GET SPECIFIC USES THAT I NEED.
I'VE NEVER HAD A CITY COME AFTER ME.
AND HE PRETTY MUCH MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE WAS GOING TO, HE WAS GONNA WANT PARKS, HE WAS GONNA GO ON ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO IT WITH A, A MINOR PUD, ALL WE TALK ABOUT IS REMOVING A LAND USE THAT THE COMMISSION DOESN'T LIKE.
THIS ISN'T A MAJOR PUD WHERE YOU'RE DESIGNING YOUR OWN ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THE COMMISSION HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT ON THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY, WE COULD STRUCTURE IT IN A WAY WHERE IT SAYS NO OFFICE WAREHOUSE OR GAS STATION OR WHATEVER THEIR CONCERN IS, YOU COULD STRUCTURE IT SO THAT IT'S JUST THAT SPECIFIC AREA.
SO THIS ISN'T LIKE A REWRITE OF AN
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ORDINANCE.WELL WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC CONCERN? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW OUR RETAIL IS UP ON REAGAN AND ON HERO, THE ENTIRE BACK IS ON SURE.
YOUR YOUR YOURS IS, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOUR ACTIONS TO DO IS GIVE A STRAIGHT ZONING, WHICH MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY OF THAT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN OF, OF THE FOLKS HERE, WHICH MEANS WE COULD PUT A BAR, NIGHTCLUB, ANY OF THAT STUFF ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY IF YOU SOLD IT, WE'VE ALREADY ZONED IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHATEVER IS ALLOWED DURING IN GC.
SO, WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH LOCAL COMMERCIAL IS THERE ARE USES IN THERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ARE REGULAR RETAIL USES THAT AREN'T ALLOWED.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A PET SHOP, YOU CAN'T HAVE A REGULAR LIQUOR STORE, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
WELL I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GC MINUS SOME OF THE USES, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
YEAH, I MEAN I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I PREFER THE OTHER WAY, BUT IF WE DID GC AND WE JUST RESTRICT SOME OF THE USES SUCH AS LIKE NIGHTCLUB, UM, THAT IS FINE BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BARS NIGHTCLUBS.
AND, AND SO THAT'S, I DON'T MIND THAT THAT'S OKAY.
SO AND, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA BE THE ONE THAT MAKES THIS MOTION, BUT, BUT WE COULD, UH, WE COULD LET AND VOICE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT USES THAT WE ARE AGAINST BEING IN THERE ESPECIALLY BUTTON UP AGAINST THAT RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, MS. GRIFFITH WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S A MINOR PUD WE'RE ONLY RESTRICTING SOME USES.
EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD COME IN.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR ME, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES THE, THE BAR, THE NIGHTCLUB, UM, I'M A LITTLE LESS ABOUT A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS.
MAYBE EQUIPMENT SALES, THINGS LIKE THAT BEING BUTTONED UP AGAINST THE, THE RESIDENTIAL, AT LEAST ON THE BACK HALF, THE FRONT HALF.
YOU, YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER YOU WANT IN, IN MY OPINION.
UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE? I, I, I DO.
UH, SOME THOUGHTS ON THOSE THINGS SPECIFICALLY.
COMMISSIONER MAHAN, I, I I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, THE GC USE OF, OF BARS OR NIGHTCLUBS, UH, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE DISTINCTION THESE DAYS, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BETWEEN WHAT IS A BAR AND WHAT'S A RESTAURANT IS, IS FLIMSY.
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 51% DESIGNATION, BUT THAT DESIGNATION WAS DESIGNED FOR CONCEALED HANDGUNS ALONE.
A SIGN THAT PREVENTS FROM SOMEBODY FROM BRINGING A HANDGUN INTO A BAR.
UM, WE WOULD PREVENT SOME REALLY COOL USES.
UH, IF, IF WE SAID NO BARS OR NIGHTCLUBS, IF THAT'S THE METRIC THAT WE WENT BY, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, A A A BREW PUB FOR AS MANY PIZZAS AND SANDWICHES AS THEY MAY SELL, UH, STILL A 51% ESTABLISHMENT STILL PROHIBITED AS A BAR UNDER THE RUBRIC WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER COSGROVE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH, UM, MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS AND COMMISSIONER MAY AS WELL BACK TOWARDS THAT RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU'VE GOT 2, 3, 4 STORIES OVERLOOKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S ADDRESSABLE IN THE P IS IT ADDRESSABLE IN A MINOR PAD? WE COULD DO A HEIGHT LIMIT.
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IF YOU WANTED TO LIMIT IT BY DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL, FROM THE REAR, IF YOU WANTED TO DO A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
I MEAN I CERTAIN USES, I, I FEEL THERE, THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE WE COULD BE DENYING THE RESIDENTIAL A NICE AMENITY IN MANY CASES BY, BY DENYING SEEING SPECIFIC THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT COMMISSIONER MAY IS SAYING.
I THINK HE SAYING NO, I JUST KEEP THEM OFF THE BACK IS ALL HE IS SAYING.
YEAH, IT'S, I I THINK HE AGREES WITH YOU.
THOSE WOULD BE REALLY COOL THINGS.
I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR YOU COMMISSIONER.
WELL THAT'S THE UPPER PART OF IT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT UP BY THAT TRIANGLE.
I THINK IS IS WHERE THE CONCERN IS.
BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY COOL.
UM, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT BY DOING A MINOR P TO TO PUSH THEM TO THE FRONT, YOU DO MUCH TO I, MATTER OF FACT, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THE PROJECT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT MY PROJECT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THE HEIGHT THING MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
TOTALLY FINE WITH PUSHING TOWARD ALL THAT TOWARDS THE FRONT.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT US TO HAVE SOMETHING GENERALLY THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM THROUGH.
AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKED FOR.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN I, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT IT ESTABLISHMENTS LIKE THE RABBIT HOLE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS IN LEANDER AND THEY JUST OPENED A NEW LOCATION ON RONALD REAGAN, THEY BACK UP TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THAT'S, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY A, A HIGHER END BAR.
BUT, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO COMMISSIONER COLUMBUS'S POINT ABOUT HOW DO WE DESIGNATE A NIGHTCLUB OR A BAR VERSUS SAY LIKE A, A BREW PUB.
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OBVIOUSLY LIQUOR SALES MIGHT BE 51% OR MORE IN A BREW PUB, BUT THEY'RE ALSO A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR FAMILY AND EAT AND HAVE A GOOD MEAL.RIGHT? CURRENTLY WE DESIGNATE A BAR WHEN IT'S OVER 75%.
SO IF WE DON'T USE THE 50, GREAT.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT ON, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OUTLINE OF THE PROJECT UP THERE ON THE AERIAL, AND, AND I KNOW THAT NORTH IS TO THE LEFT ACTUALLY, SO I GUESS I'M SAYING THE EAST SIDE UP THERE, THAT'S A BIG GIANT POND UP THERE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S ON, IT'S AT THE END OF A CUL-DE-SAC.
'CAUSE I DROVE UP THERE AND WENT THE WRONG WAY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I ENDED UP
UM, AND THEN MULTIFAMILY TO THE RIGHT OF IT, OF THAT POND.
SO THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS, I DON'T THINK IN QUESTION, IT'S JUST WHAT'S TO THE LEFT OF IT.
IT'S GONNA IMPACT THOSE FEW HOUSES THERE TO THE LEFT.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL BE MOST IMPACTED, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND, AND, AND EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPER CONTROLS THE TRIANGLE RIGHT NOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL AGAIN THAT IS TRUE.
RIGHT? AND, AND AND, AND EVEN THOUGH I HAVE FULL FAITH IN, IN, IN THIS APPLICANT, I HAVE HAD FULL FAITH IN A LOT OF APPLICANTS IN AND THINGS IN HIS BUSINESS CHANGE.
BUT FOR THAT TO CHANGE ZONING, YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT.
SO YOU CAN PUT, IF I GAVE YOU GC THERE, THAT'S ALREADY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? THAT'S SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT IF YOU WANTED TO, NOT YOU, NOT, NOT YOU SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHOEVER WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT TRACT TODAY COULD PUT SIGNAL FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THAT, ON THAT, THAT IS TRIANGLE, RIGHT? THAT'S SO THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S MY CONCERN WITH THAT.
I, I JUST WANT, I I I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD, I I DON'T IN A MINUTE THINK YOU WOULD, BUT THE WORLD CHANGES SOMETIMES.
SO CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T MATCH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
IT WILL NEED TO UPDATE BEFORE IT MOVES FORWARD.
SO TO HIS, UM, POINT THAT HE MADE EARLIER, THE CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE ARE NOT CATEGORIES THAT, OR THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE CAN APPROVE TODAY.
SO WAITING IT OUT MIGHT CHANGE IT FOR HIM IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT WON'T BE DEVELOPED UNTIL IT CHANGES ZONING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING NOBODY CAN DEVELOP THERE TODAY? NO.
HE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK WITH A REQUEST BEFORE THAT BECAUSE IT'S INTERIM.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL, OKAY.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, DO WE WANT TO PUT A SPECIFIC, UM, LENGTH? IS IT 100 FEET? IS IT 200 FEET? UH, 500 FEET? I, I I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS OUT SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE SOMETHING AND BRING THAT FORWARD.
DO WE JUST WANT TO COME DOWN AND SAY THAT WE'RE LIMITED TO ONE STORY? MM-HMM.
UM, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, LITERALLY IN MY COMMUNITY YOU HAVE A HOUSE WEST BROAD AND THEN YOU HAVE A HOTEL THAT'S 50 FEET AWAY, THAT'S THREE STORIES TALL AND THEY LOOK INTO HER LITTLE GIRL'S WINDOW AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
WELL, I MEAN I'M, I'M, I'M READING THROUGH SOME OF OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, IN OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE AND LIKE IF YOU'RE PUTTING AN ANIMAL HOSPITAL OR VETERINARY CLINIC, THERE'S A 200 FOOT SETBACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A FARM TRUCK GARDENS 200 FOOT, UH, TO ANY PROPERTY LINE, I MEAN THERE, THERE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC STIPULATIONS WITHIN OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT DO CALL OUT A DISTANCE FOR CERTAIN BUSINESSES WITHIN RESIDENTIAL.
SO I DO THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT COVERED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, I STILL UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.
SO I, AND THIS WOULD PUT HIM GOING TO COUNSEL AT THE SAME TIME THAT HE WOULD'VE GONE CORRECT WITH THIS.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA DELAY HIM GOING TO COUNSEL? NO.
IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANNA DO, I, 'CAUSE I ONLY SAW TWO OF US THAT LOOKED LIKE THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF IT AS IS.
SO, UM, UM, I WANT, I WANNA GET TO A YES FOR THIS TO BE HONEST, BUT I, I CAN'T DO IT AS IT IS WITH STRAIGHT ZONING.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY SO THAT, UH, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CAN WORK ON THE MINOR PUD.
WE GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DELAYING FOR A MINOR PUD.
OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM 14, AND THIS IS THE ITEM THAT I WAS TOLD WAS PULLED WHEN WE GOT HERE.
SO THIS ITEM HAS BEEN, UM, THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
ITEM 14, I DID HAVE A, A SPEAKER'S CARD FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL MOVE ON
[15. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0113 to amend the current zoning of TOD/PUD-CD (Transit Oriented Development/ Planned Unit Development – Conventional Development Sector) to adopt the Historic Bryson Farmstead PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on two (2) parcels of land approximately six (6) acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R032212 and R500771; and generally located northeast of the intersection of 183A Toll Road and East San Gabriel Parkway, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 15, PUBLIC HEARING.CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z DASH 24 DASH 0 1 1 3.
TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF TOD PUD CD CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR TO ADOPT THE HISTORIC BRYSON FARMSTEAD PUD WITH THE BASE ZONING OF LOCAL COMMERCIAL TWO
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A ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND, AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 180 3, A TOLL ROAD IN EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY.STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
JUSTIN HUNT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
UH, THE CITY HAS INITIATED A ZONING REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT IN ORDER TO CREATE THE HISTORIC BRYSON FARMSTEAD PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF LC DASH TWO DASH, A LOCAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE, WHICH IS A COMPATIBLE USE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF ACTIVITY CENTER.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY WILL INCLUDE THE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE REUSED FOR HISTORIC INTERPRETATION AND THE ADDITION OF A PUBLIC EVENT SPACE VISITOR CENTER IN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OFFICES.
THE CITY HAS COMPLETED A PRESERVATION PLAN TO PROVIDE THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
WAIVERS INCLUDE ADDITIONAL USES, MASONRY WALL REQUIREMENTS, HISTORIC STYLE FENCING, AND UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT MAY BE PERMITTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
HIGHER STANDARDS INCLUDE LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION, A MASTER SIGN PLAN, AND TRAIL CONNECTIVITY.
UH, SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS HERE.
UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF LEANDER BY EASEMENT DURING THE ACQUISITION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR 180 3, A TOLL ROAD.
AS PART OF THE LAND DEDICATION, THE CITY HAS AGREED TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH ADOPTING A PRESERVATION PLAN.
PART OF THIS PLAN INCLUDES THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE SITE TO USE THE FACILITIES AS OFFICE SPACE FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY LABELED AS CIP PROJECT P 47 FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
UH, THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN, UH, CITY OF LEANDER IN AUGUST 8TH, 2005.
THE FOLLOWING, UH, ZONING CASES, UH, WERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IT WAS THE ADOPTION OF THE TOD ESTABLISHING THE AREA AS CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR SECTOR, AND WAS APPROVED SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2005, UNDER THE ZONING CASE.
AND THERE HAVE NO, UH, BEEN NO SUBDIVISION CASES, UH, SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY LOCATION IS AT THE, UM, INTERSECTION OF SAN EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND 180 3 A TOLL.
UH, IT'S SURROUNDED BY A PROPOSED P UM, PIONEER FARMSTEAD.
IT MOSTLY CONTAINS OPEN SPACE WITH, UH, TREE COVERAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS THREE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WILL BE REHABILITATED BY THE CITY OF LEANDER.
THIS PROPERTY HAS ACCESS ONTO 180 3 A TOLL ROAD AND INCLUDES NO FUTURE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PER THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, UH, BUT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO WATER AND WASTEWATER ALONG THE TOLL ROAD AND EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY.
UM, FOR PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, PUBLIC NOTICES WERE MAILED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT SINCE THERE ARE NO NEIGHBORHOODS OR RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, STAFF DID THOUGH, UH, HAVE A COURTESY MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORING BRYSON COMMUNITY ON MARCH 19TH, 2024.
THIS MEETING WAS SCHEDULED AS AN IN-PERSON MEETING, BUT WAS CHANGED TO A VIRTUAL MEETING PER THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
STAFF ALSO PARTICIPATED IN MEETINGS SCHEDULED BY THE DEVELOPER ON APRIL 16TH, 2024 AND APRIL 23RD, 2024.
AND TOTAL THREE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN HELD DURING THE LAST MEETING.
AMPLIFIED SOUND, UH, WAS DISCUSSED AND THE CHAMBER DID ATTEND IN ORDER TO ANSWER CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMPLIFIED SOUND AND EVENTS.
AND THEY'RE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE FULL REPORT ATTACHED TO THE PACKET, UH, WITH CITY OF LEANDER RESPONSES AND, AND QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE PROPOSED PUD CALLS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC FARMSTEAD WHILE ALLOWING THE PROPERTY TO BE REUSED FOR HISTORIC INTERPRETATION, PUBLIC EVENT SPACE VISITOR CENTER, AND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OFFICES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING REQUEST.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY, AND SINCE THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
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SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO HAVE TWO CARDS FILLED OUT.THE FIRST ONE IS FROM JOSHUA RALEY, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, I WANNA THANK THE ZONING TEAM FOR MAKING THIS PROCESS PUBLIC AND GIVING US A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WANNA COMMENT ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE MANY POSITIVES IN HERE THAT, THAT WE LIKE.
UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS, THIS IDEA AND THESE PLANS.
BUT, UH, THERE ARE ABOUT A HUNDRED BRYSON HOMES, INCLUDING MINE, WHICH ARE RIGHT ON THE PERIMETER, UH, IN MY CASE.
UH, WE ARE 600 FEET, BASICALLY, UH, ROUGHLY FROM THE, THE PLANS INCLUDING THE STAGE, WHICH IS, AND ALL THE MAPS IS TOWARD THE BACK.
UM, AND THEY'RE AROUND 300, UH, RIDGE APARTMENTS RIGHT HERE NEARBY AS WELL.
UM, OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS AROUND THE LACK OF CLEAR, UH, NOISE LIMITS, AND WE'RE ASKING THAT THE PUD SPECIFY HOW THE STATED EX EXCEPTIONS, UH, TO THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE WILL BE ENFORCED.
UH, WE HAD, WE HAVE FOUR REQUESTS REGARDING THIS.
NUMBER ONE, REMOVE, UH, THE AMPLIFIED SOUND AND OUTDOOR CONCERTS, WHICH ARE STATED EXPLICITLY IN THE ALLOWED USES IN THE PUD.
NUMBER TWO, REMOVE OR LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS PER YEAR, UH, TO THE NOISE OR ORDINANCE, THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, PROHIBIT ENTERTAINMENT OR SPECIAL EVENTS, NOISE LIMITS, WHICH, UH, COULD BE IN PLACE.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN UNCLEAR LIKE AGAIN, HOW THE, IF YOU HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE, HOW THOSE WILL BE FORCED AND WHAT THEY'LL BE.
SO, UH, PROHIBIT THE ENTERTAINMENT AND SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, NOISE LIMITS AND IN THE CITY ORDINANCE AND USE THE LOWER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL LIMITS UNDER ARTICLE 8 0 4.
AND THEN SPECIFY THAT NOISE BE MEASURED AT THE CHAMBER'S PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO PLEASANT HILL.
AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CEDAR PARK AMENDED THEIR WHOLE SITTING NOISE ORDINANCE IN 2017 AFTER A MUSIC FESTIVAL, YOU KNOW, CAUSES A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
LIKE 35 CALLS IN ONE ONE WEEKEND, RIGHT? ONE NIGHT, UH, UNDER A MUSIC FESTIVAL COULD BE ILLEGAL UNDER THESE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT SAYS MUSIC OUTDOOR CONCERTS ARE, ARE PART OF THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THERE IS A STAGE AREA, UM, THE BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER, UH, ALSO HAD TO BE, OR WAS SUGGESTED THEY WOULD RELOCATE IT RECENTLY FOR THE SAME KIND OF COMPLAINTS, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, IT'S A GREAT SPACE, BUT IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO LOCAL RESIDENTIAL AND, AND CREATED PROBLEMS. SO, UM, WE JUST WANNA AVOID SIMILAR OVERSIGHTS.
WE LOVE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PLAN, BUT, UH, WE WANNA SEE CLEAR DEFINITION AND THE NOISE LIMITS, UH, IN THE PUD SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BALANCE THE CHAMBER'S GOALS WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL NEEDS BEING SO CLOSE.
UM, THE, THE DETAILS ON THE SUBMISSION, WHAT WAS COMMUNICATING AT THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE BEEN, HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST 30, 60 DAYS.
AMPLIFIED SOUNDS BEEN MENTIONED AS BEING IN AND OUT.
UH, AND IT ACTUALLY WAS OUT IN THE ATTACHMENT THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
SO THAT'S PARTLY WHY LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE CLARITY.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, BENJAMIN DAVIS, I HAD YOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS TO ADD, WHICH I'LL GO AHEAD AND PLACE IN HERE, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO ALSO SPEAK.
YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, I WROTE MY WRITTEN COMMENTS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, PARTICULARLY THE AGENDA PACKET, WHICH SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE NO, UH, AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO US ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, AND STAFF WROTE THAT AS HOW THEY WERE GOING TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE BRYSON COMMUNITY.
I'M UNSURE WHY THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT WAS CHANGED AND CHANGED IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY MY POINTS.
UM, SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE LC, UM, ZONING IN THIS AREA.
I THINK ALL OF US ARE EXCITED TO SEE THINGS COME ABOUT AND SEE EVEN THIS AREA GET DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING THAT COULD HOLD THINGS LIKE FARMER'S MARKETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE THIS HIGH DENSITY OF, YOU KNOW, MULTI-ZONE FAMILY HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES JUST ALL AROUND IT.
AND THEY MAY BE 510 FEET, SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO NOTIFY IT, BUT IT'S STILL 510 FEET RIGHT NEXT TO AN OUTDOOR MUSIC VENUE.
SO MORE SPECIFICALLY, I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES AROUND THOSE PARTICULAR POINTS, WHICH IS LIKE EVERYWHERE AROUND IT JUST 500 FEET OUT, EVERYBODY'S EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN A 65 DECIBEL LIMIT, RIGHT? AND RIGHT IN HERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 85 DECIBELS AND YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU'RE CONSTRAINED TO THAT, YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND TIMES MORE NOISE THAT THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS MAKING THAN SOMEBODY'S MAKING AT NIGHT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, AND THERE'S REAL NO BUFFER, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN THE, IN TERMS OF THE
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PROPOSED POD THAT WAS GONNA GO IN THIS AREA WAS GONNA PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THIS OUTDOOR CONCERT VENUE.AND THEN RIGHT AROUND THAT YOU STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, NO REAL TREES OR LIKE AN OPEN AREA AND EVEN A POND TO AMPLIFY THE SOUND.
SO ALL OF THIS IS GOING STRAIGHT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE HAVE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT WHY WAS THAT REGULATION AROUND AMPLIFIED SOUND CHANGED? UM, SPECIFICALLY, AND, AND I WANTED TO TO POINT THIS OUT, IS THAT THE STANDARD ACOUSTIC GUITAR PLAYS FROM SOME, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 TO 90 DECIBELS AND DRUMS. UNAMPLIFIED CAN GO BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED DECIBELS.
WHY IS IT IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AN 85 DECIBEL STANDARD, DO WE NEED AMPLIFIED SOUND AT THIS LOCATION? AMPLIFIED SOUND WILL ONLY BRING SUBWOOFERS INTO THE EQUATION, WHICH WILL INTRODUCE VIBRATIONS AND ADDITIONAL TRAVELING, UH, THAT THIS SOUND CAN CREATE.
IT DOESN'T SERVE ANY PURPOSE TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHY WE ZONE THIS STUFF LC, IT'S TO SERVE A LOCAL RESIDENCE AND NONE OF THAT IS DOING THIS.
IT'S ALL SOMETHING THAT NOBODY IN BRYCE AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IS STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF.
UM, SO MORE SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PARTICULAR VENUE WOULD ALLOW ALCOHOL AND WHETHER THAT WOULD CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO AN OUTDOOR AREA THAN TO DRIVE INEBRIATED OR CREATE OTHER ISSUES INSIDE OF OUR, UM, INSIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO LIKE MODIFY THE PUT AS LITTLE AS WHAT, 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING TO SAY THAT WE WOULD ALLOW AMPLIFIED SOUND, WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL STANDARD, WHAT THEY TOLD THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WERE NOT GONNA HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND AT THIS LOCATION IF WE FILLED THE NEED TO, TO, TO, AND SUPPORT THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15? ANYBODY? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER KALAM, START WITH YOU.
YEAH, I THINK OUR SPEAKERS RAISED SOME, UH, SOME VALID CONCERNS AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY TO, TO RESPOND TO THOSE SPECIFICALLY IF I COULD.
CAN WE DO THAT? UM, BRIDGETTE DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE PROPOSED USES? SURE.
UM, THERE IS, UH, WELL ACTUALLY THE CONCERT THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO, I WAS AT IN CEDAR PARK AND I ACTUALLY GOT KNOW THE DECIBEL METER FOR THAT CONCERT WAS 180 JUST BECAUSE MY HUSBAND RESPONDED TO THAT CALL.
UM, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, THEY REFERRED TO IT SEVERAL TIMES.
THE SPEAKER REFERRED TO IT SEVERAL TIMES IN OUTDOOR MUSIC VENUE.
UM, THERE IS A STAGE THAT THEY PUT IN THE POD, UM, IT IS, UH, REALLY FOR OUTDOOR, UM, THINGS LIKE WE WANT TO DO A WILDFLOWER, UM, FESTIVAL THERE.
AND SO AGAIN, THINK OF LIKE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL.
THAT'S A VERY SIMILAR USE TO SOMETHING WE WOULD DO THERE.
UM, THINKING ON THE LINES OF LIKE OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL, IT WOULDN'T BE A, WE WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THIS SITE.
UM, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR IT.
SO WHEN YOU WOULD DO THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR THAT FESTIVAL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IT'D GO TO THE CITY AND THE CITY WHENEVER YOU HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT, WE DO THEM ALL THE TIME, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, ANYTIME THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT, IN ORDER TO DO A, AN EVENT LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT TYPE OF CROWD OF PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT PERMIT.
WELL, WHEN YOU DO THAT PERMIT, THE CITY LOOKS AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU GONNA PUT IN HERE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA PARK? IS THERE GONNA BE SECURITY? ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO THIS PROPERTY, AS IT STANDS TODAY, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE LOOKED AT IS FROM THE EVENT CENTER LOCATION, WHICH IS THE LARGE YELLOW BOX.
SO FROM THAT LOCATION TO THOSE RESIDENCE IS ACTUALLY 1500 FEET ON THE ONE SIDE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE 800 FEET.
AND SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AMPLIFIED MUSIC BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HOST, UH, WEDDINGS, UH, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HOST THE CHAMBER GALA, UH, AMPLIFIED SOUND IS ANY TYPE OF SOUND.
SO, AND, AND IN ADDRESS TO THAT, AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING, THERE WAS A NOTICE THAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK FOR A CHANGE OF THAT.
I WAS THERE, I REQUESTED, I SHARED THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING THAT WE DID.
I WAS NOT ABLE TO BE AT THE SECOND MEETING BECAUSE I HAD SURGERY TWO WEEKS AGO AND I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE HOSPITAL ON THE DAY OF THAT MEETING.
SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE SECOND MEETING BECAUSE I WAS NOT THERE.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
AND THE WAY THAT ORIGINAL PUD WAS, IS THAT IT DOES NOT ALLOW AMPLIFIED SOUND.
IF WE DON'T ALLOW AMPLIFIED SOUND, WE WILL NOT, WE WON'T BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE CANNOT HOST OUR EVENTS WITHOUT AMPLIFIED SOUND.
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YOU JUST CANNOT HAVE THE TOLL ROAD, WHICH ON ITS OWN PRODUCES 80 DECIBELS OF SOUND.SO WE KNOW THAT FROM THE STUDY THAT THE TOLL ROAD DID.
SO IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE A GALA, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MIXER, A CHAMBER MIXER, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR LUNCH, OUR LUNCH HAS AMPLIFIED SOUND, OUR CHAMBER LUNCH HAS AMPLIFIED SOUND.
WE CAN'T DO A SINGLE EVENT THAT WE WOULD DO IN THIS CENTER WITHOUT AMPLIFIED SOUND.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ROCK CONCERT VENUE.
WE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S VERY CONCERNED.
I'VE READ ALL THE THREADS 'CAUSE I AM CONCERNED.
I, I LIVE NOT FAR FROM HERE, BY THE WAY.
SO JUST FYI, UM, I, SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HAVE, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RUMOR BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THESE THINGS GO.
YOU ALL KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF RUMOR ABOUT IT BEING LIKE, HOTSPOT.
THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION AT ALL.
SO OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO CREATE A HOTSPOT NOR TO RENT THE VENUE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
OUR INTENTION IS TO RENT THE VENUE FOR WEDDINGS, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, UM, THAT TYPE BABY SHOWERS, MAYBE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND SO, WHILE YES, WE DO WANNA HAVE THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY DO OUR INTENTION FOR THAT BIG OPEN SPOT THAT YOU SEE AROUND THE HISTORIC TRAILS IS TO CREATE ANOTHER ONE OF OUR WILDFLOWER PATCHES.
AND SO WE WANT TO DO A WILDFLOWER PLANTING FESTIVAL IN THE SPRING.
AND SO WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'RE THINKING OF BLUEGRASS TYPE FESTIVAL, AGAIN, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE 20,000 PEOPLE COME TO THIS LIKE WE DO FOR OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL.
THAT WON'T BE POSSIBLE IN AN EVENT LIKE THIS.
THIS WILL BE FOR VERY SMALL, VERY LOCAL EVENTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE RESTRICTION FOR HOURS.
SO WE DID GO BACK AND WE'VE PUT A RESTRICTION FOR HOURS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND OF COURSE WE ARE, WE ARE COMPROMISING TO THE CURRENT SOUND LEVEL, WHICH IS 85 DECIBELS, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE, I THINK THAT WAS THE CURRENT COMPROMISE.
IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T WANNA BE TAKE.
UM, AND, AND I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THAT.
THE ONLY REASON THAT I'M EVEN AGREEING TO THAT AT THIS POINT IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TEST WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE'RE GOING TO ON JUNE 1ST AT THE OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL TEST OUR DECIBELS JUST TO GET A READOUT IN COMPARISON AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
BECAUSE EVEN AT OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL, MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN, IF YOU'RE AT OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVAL AND YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE STAGE, I AM SURE THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY AT, MAYBE YOU'RE AT 95, MAYBE YOU'RE AT A HUNDRED DECIBELS.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A REASONABLE READOUT.
BUT IF YOU ARE IN THE FOOD COURT, WHICH IS IN THIS PARKING LOT, YOU CANNOT HEAR THE MUSIC.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT DOING WAS IF WE ARE GOING TO DO AN OUTDOOR STAGE, POTENTIALLY RELOCATING THAT TOO, THIS YELLOW, UH, THE NEIGHBORS ARE WORRIED ABOUT.
FOR SOME REASON, IN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PUD THE STAGE WAS AT THE BOTTOM PART OF THAT, I THINK THE CITY WAS THINKING THEY MIGHT BE DOING AMPHITHEATER.
SO THE STAGE WAS ORIGINALLY, IS IT IN THAT AREA? JUSTIN? ON ONE OF THEM? YEAH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TOO, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WAS TO MOVE IT UP TO MORE THIS DIRECTION.
SO IF WE WERE GONNA DO AN OUTDOOR STAGE, MOVE IT TO THE FRONT SO THAT IT WOULD BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND OR, UH, ORIENT IT TOWARD THE BUILDING THAT IS THE ACTUAL CHAMBER BUILDING SO THAT THEN IT COULD BE MUFFLED BY ALSO THE BUILDING ITSELF, JUST LIKE WE DO FOR OLD TOWN STREET FESTIVALS.
SO WE ARE DEFINITELY CONSIDERING THAT AND LOOKING AT IT, BUT WE CAN'T NOT HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO WITHOUT.
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR US, EVEN OUR GALA WHEN WE DO IT IN THE OLD TOWN PARK, WHICH WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR, YOU CAN'T, WE CAN'T HAVE THE GALA HAPPEN WITHOUT AMPLIFIED SOUND BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HEAR THE PEOPLE SPEAKING JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW, JUST LIKE RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND.
AND JUST LIKE AT ALL THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HEAR OVER THE TRAFFIC.
SO THAT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
THE, THE STUDY REGARDING THE NOISE FROM 180 3 AT 80 DECIBELS, HOW FAR AWAY WAS THAT TAKEN? THEY DO IT AT 80 DECIBELS, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET AND THEN AT 200 FEET IT'S LIKE 75 ISH DECIBELS.
I CAN SEND IT TO YOU, SCOTT, TO LOOK AT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY.
I WAS JUST LOOKING UP DECIBEL CHARTS.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO'VE PLAYED LIVE MUSIC UP HERE BEFORE.
UM, A FIVE OR 10 POINT DIFFERENCE IN DECIBELS ISN'T JUST A LITTLE CRANK UP.
UM, SO I THINK THE RESIDENTS HAVE SOME, SOME VALID CONCERNS.
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I'M CONCERNED WITH THE, THE WAY, THE WAY SOUND CAN CARRY, UH, BASED ON, ON WIND AND DISTANCE AND EVERYTHING.UM, WELL, AND TRAFFIC IS NOT
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HAVE YOU SPEAKING WHEN FROM OUT THERE.
WE NEED TO ALLOW THE PERSON AT THE MIC TO SPEAK.
WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK UP IN A MOMENT TO, TO THE, BUT TO THE, UH, THE POINT THE SPEAKERS MADE.
WHAT ARE GONNA BE THE MECHANISMS FOR ENFORCEMENT OF WHATEVER RULES WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR THE DECIBELS, UH, HERE, UM, LIVE MEASUREMENT AS THINGS ARE HAPPENING DURING A CONCERT.
AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT DOWN OR WHAT'S THE DEAL, ESSENTIALLY? YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS.
THAT'S THE WAY THAT THAT HAPPENS TODAY.
IN CEDAR PARK, IT'S ENFORCED BY THE CEDAR PARK POLICE DEPARTMENT TOO.
SO THE RESIDENT COULD CALL THE C THE POLICE, THE POLICE HAVE DECIBEL METERS AND THEY WOULD GO OUT.
AND IF THE DECIBEL, IF THE VOLUME ISN'T TURNED DOWN, THEN THEY'RE FINE.
SO FOR THE SNOOP DOGG CONCERT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT HOTSPOT.
YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE, I MEAN I, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A SNOOP DOGG CONCERT OUT THERE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS EXACT.
I MEAN THAT IT, THAT HAPPENED THOUGH.
I MEAN, AND I DID GET TO MEET SNOOP DOGG, BY THE WAY, AND IT WAS AMAZING.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, WAS THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
THEN THERE WAS A FINE THAT WAS PLACED ON HOTSPOT FOR THAT.
I, I, I THINK OVERALL THE, THE PLAN IS COOL.
I LOVE THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF IT.
I LOVE THE ADDITIONAL CIVIC SPACE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REASONS THAT I WOULD LOVE THIS.
UH, BUT I THINK THE RESIDENTS HAVE A, HAVE A REAL VALID CONCERN.
AND I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, ENSURING ENFORCEMENT GOING FORWARD.
I WANNA ASK, FOLLOW UP ON HIS QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONER.
UH, I'M NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT SOUND AND DECIBELS AND SO FORTH.
YEAH, I WAS NOT EITHER UNTIL ABOUT A WEEK AGO, BUT SINCE THIS IS A PART OF, WE DID HAVE A CASE THAT WAS, UH, PULLED FROM THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
BUT ASSUMING THAT THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTIVITY CENTER, DEVELOPS WITH SOME LOCAL COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING YOUR PARCEL OR, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S PARCEL, WOULD THOSE HIGHER BUILDINGS OF LOCAL COMMERCIAL HELP TO BUFFER SOME SOME OF THAT ABSOLUTELY.
FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA HATE THAT TOO.
THEY'RE GONNA BE BACK COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL COMING IN.
WELL, AND THAT IS AN ACTIVITY CENTER THAT'S ALREADY VERY HIGH IN RESIDENTIAL.
THE MIX IS SUPPOSED TO BE HIGHER IN COMMERCIAL AND LOWER IN.
IN RESIDENTIAL AND AT THE MEETING FOR THE, AND I, I'M NOT, I'LL ONLY SORT OF SPEAK FOR THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPER WILL DO OR WON'T DO, BUT THEY WERE, AND WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED TO DO SOME TOR TYPE OF SOUND WALL WHEN THEY DEVELOPED JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND ALSO IN OUR FAVOR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MOST OF THE PART THAT IS TOWARD BRYSON WHERE ALL THOSE TREES ARE, WE'RE LEAVING THEM.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS CON BROUGHT UP TO ME IS SHE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, ARE ALL THOSE TREES THAT ARE THERE GOING TO STAY? ARE THEY COMING DOWN, ARE THEY NOT? BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE STAYING.
LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORICAL FOR, FOR OUR PURPOSES FOR THIS, IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT, WHICH YOU MIGHT ALL WANT TO DO, IT IS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND WHERE THAT BUILDING WOULD BE IS VERY TREE COVERED.
AND SO THAT IS ALSO GOING TO BE A SOUND BARRIER, A NATURAL SOUND BARRIER FOR THE PROJECT.
NOW, BETWEEN THE, THE BUILDING AND THE APARTMENTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS OF THAT, BUT YOU ARE GONNA HAVE COMMERCIAL ALL ALONG THAT ROAD AS IT DEVELOPS.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO VICE CHAIR.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO BOB UP AND DOWN, SO IF YOU WANNA STAY FOR JUST A SECOND, I STAY DOWN.
UM, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE SOUND ORDINANCE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE OTHER PRECEDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SET WITHIN OUR, WITHIN OUR CITY IN MULTIPLE PARKS.
LAKEWOOD PARK FOR ONE IS HOSTED LIBERTY FEST.
HUGE COMMUNITIES, UH, COLD SPRINGS, HAZELWOOD, AND UH, WHAT IS THAT? UH, CRYSTAL CROSSING WHERE THERE'S OVER, UH, OVER THERE WITH A BIG BLUE SIGN ACROSS FROM ROUSE AND WILEY.
UM, AND OF COURSE MY BIGGEST CONCERN WHEN LIBERTY FEST WAS THERE WAS THAT ROADWAY IS TERRIBLE.
IT, IT IS A VERY, VERY SMALL, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO THAT PARK TO HOST SUCH SUCH BIG EVENT.
OF COURSE THEY HAD SHUTTLES THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH, RIGHT? UM, DIVINE LAKE PARK IS RIGHT NEXT TO, IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'VE HOSTED LIBERTY FEST AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HOST IT BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO HOST ANYTHING CONCERT WISE LIKE THAT.
THIS IS GONNA BE MORE LIKE WHAT I CAN UM, ATTRIBUTE IT
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TO IN COMPARISON WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE SAN GABRIEL PARK AND WHAT CITY OF GEORGETOWN HAS WITH THEIR LITTLE EVENT CENTER THERE.IT'S THAT WE ACTUALLY USE THAT IN THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, MEETING AS A COMPARISON POINT.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR.
I MEAN, WE PLAN FOR OURS TO BE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, BUT YES, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR THING.
WE DON'T INTEND TO HOST OUR BIG FESTIVALS OR EVENTS AT THIS LOCATION.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK THAT YOU'VE COVERED THAT.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY LIKE, WELL YOU'RE GONNA MOVE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO THIS LOCATION.
SO WHATCHA GONNA DO WITH OLD TOWN AND FESTIVAL, OLD TOWN'S GONNA STAY IN OLD TOWN.
WE HAVE MADE PLANS FOR THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A HUGE CONCERN FOR US.
SO OLD TOWN'S GONNA STAY IN OLD TOWN.
WE NAMED OLD TOWN LIKE INTENTIONALLY FOR OLD TOWN TREAT FESTIVAL 10 YEARS AGO.
UH, BUT WE'LL MOVE OUR SITE TO SOMEWHERE ON SITE FOR THAT.
AND WE HAD DONE THAT, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
BUT WE'LL TAKE OVER PAT BRYSON LIKELY AS OUR GOT IT CHAMBER PLACE FOR THAT DAY.
THIS IS ALSO GONNA BE A POTENTIAL REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITIES.
IS THIS GONNA BE, IT WILL BE A, IT WILL BE A REVENUE STREAM FOR WELL, AND THIS IS THE REASON THAT THIS PROJECT WORKS WELL FOR IT, IT IS GONNA BE A REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CHAMBER AND THE VISITOR CENTER, BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IT WILL MAKE A REVENUE STREAM THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.
SO THE CITY NOW IS NOT HAVING TO CONTINUE TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THE PARTNERSHIP CAME UP.
SO JUST EDUCATE ME HERE FOR A SECOND.
HOW OLD ARE THESE STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS? I, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW MUCH OF ANYTHING ABOUT THE BRYSON FARMSTEAD.
SO EVEN THOUGH LIVED, DO YOU KNOW, 19? WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH TO WARRANT PROTECTION AND INTEREST FROM THE HISTORIC COMMISSION.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I FEEL LIKE I OUGHT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT IT HAS TO BE BEFORE 1905 BECAUSE IT WAS THERE BEFORE OUR HOUSE.
SO PROBABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE OVER OLD SETTLERS PARK WHEN YOU HAVE THAT OLD BARN EVERYTHING CORRECT IN THE PICTURE OVER THERE.
AND AT PIONEER FARMS, THE ACTUAL GOT IT.
NOT THIS PIONEER FARMS. PIONEER FARMS IN FLUER.
I GUESS IT'S FLUER, IS THAT TECHNICALLY PFLUGERVILLE, SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE HISTORIC LIKE THAT.
UM, IF YOU GO TO LIKE LADY BIRD JOHNSON WILDFLOWER CENTER, THEY HAVE SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC LIKE OLDER CABINS THAT THOSE ARE ACTUAL HISTORIC TO THAT SITE.
AND YOU, THEY'LL HAVE LIKE THE GLASS WALL ON IT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE IDEAS WE HAVE FOR THE HOMESTEAD.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PIECE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE'S, TALK ABOUT IT POTENTIALLY BEING A MUSEUM.
THERE'S TALK ABOUT IT BEING SO WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THE STAGES OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT THEN REVENUE STREAM FROM THAT WOULD ALSO HELP MAINTAIN THAT.
WELL IT MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE IT'S A HUGE MAINTENANCE EXPENSE THAT OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SIX ACRES OF PART TO ADD TO THE PART.
AND, AND, AND THIS WILL BASIC, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS IS THIS GONNA BE KIND OF CONSIDERED PARKLAND AND BE ADDED TO THE CITY'S PARKLAND? I I GUESS YES, IN A SENSE.
KINDA LIKE CRYSTAL FALLS GOLF COURSE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T NECESSARILY CORRECT.
OR LIKE THE LIBRARY, IT SORT OF BE LIKE A PARTNERSHIP, SORT OF LIKE YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO ARE THE TRAILS AND THE WALKWAYS YOU'RE BUILDING THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS PROPERTY, IS IT GONNA BE PUBLICLY ACCESSED OR IS IT GONNA BE LIMITED ACCESS? WE'VE NOT GOT TO ALL OF THE DETAIL PUBLIC.
THOSE ARE MORE THAN ONE QUESTION THOUGH.
WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT LIMITED ACCESS OR NOT LIMITED.
I WOULD THINK IT'D LIKELY BE LIMITED ACCESS JUST BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE THERE AT 2:00 AM YOU KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO THERE MIGHT, THERE MIGHT BE GATES THAT CLOSE AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF GATES OR SOMETHING.
LIKE WE, I WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE LIKE IN THOSE W YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T KNOW.
I, WE ALL, ALL KINDS OF CRAZY STUFF HAPPENS.
SO UNLESS THERE'S LIKE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING THERE THAT'S BEING HOOKED.
BUT THEY PROBABLY EVEN HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME EVEN HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OFF.
AND WE, WE HAVE SET LIMITED HOURS FOR OUR OPERATION PERIOD.
EVEN IF YOU HAD A WEDDING THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE LIMITED HOURS, SO YOU WON'T HAVE 1:00 AM THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS IS YEAH, WILL YOU HAVE WEDDING MUSIC THUMPING TILL 1:00 AM IN THE MORNING? AND THE ANSWER IS NO, YOU WON'T.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE AN INDOOR EVENT CENTER IS WHERE OUR PRIMARY GOAL, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S REALLY WRAPPED UP AND WORRIED ABOUT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY I TOTALLY GET IT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PLACATING THAT AT ALL.
BUT OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS AN INDOOR FACILITY.
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS FUNDING.
AND SO IN ORDER TO BUILD THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE KNOW WE NEED IN LEANER TEXAS TO BE ABLE TO HOST ALL OF THE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CONVENTION, YOU KNOW, RECEPTIONS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VOLUME THAT YOU NEED, SO WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD 10,000 SQUARE FOOT.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TODAY TO ENCLOSE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OF EVENT SPACE.
AND SO THIS EVENT SPACE HAS TO HAPPEN
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TO PAY FOR THE EVENT SPACE.SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY WOULD BE MAYBE IT'S A ENCLOSED PATIO TYPE STRUCTURE THAT CONNECTS TO THE OFFICES THAT WE COULD LATER ENCLOSE.
WELL, GUESS WHAT THOUGH, THAT MAKES IT OUTDOOR BECAUSE THE WALLS AREN'T THERE YET.
AND SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
WELL, I MEAN I I I DO REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT.
I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
I THINK IT MAKES, MAKES GOOD SENSE.
I THINK YOU'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONCERNS WITH THE DECIBELS AND THE SOUND, UH, TO THE POINT.
I MEAN, I ACTUALLY, AND AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT ITEM NUMBER 14 GOT REMOVED BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND THAT MORE THAN THIS ONE ABOUT THE GC AND THE, AND ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL THEY WERE LOOKING, BUT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA CURB THAT FROM ANOTHER TIME BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THEY GOT FROM THE BRYSON COMMUNITY.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO US AGAIN IN JUNE.
UM, WE WERE VERY HOPEFUL THAT IT WOULD COME AND THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK WITH THAT HISTORIC PROPERTY AS WELL.
COMPLI AND CREATE COMPLIMENTARY.
AND CREATE A DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WANT TO WALK, TO GO TO VISIT, YOU KNOW, AND SEE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND I, AND I FULLY AGREE, BUT WITH THIS, I GUESS GONNA MOST LIKELY ALREADY BE IN PLACE, IT CAN AT LEAST GIVE THEM SOME ADDITIONAL CORRECT GUIDANCE SO THAT, THAT THAT'LL BE PROBABLY GOOD THAT IT IS DELAYED.
I MEAN THAT'S REALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
I DID, DID WANT TO CALL OUT THOUGH THAT BASED ON EXHIBIT A AND, AND SOME OF THE NOTES WITHIN OUR PACKET AND DOES CLEARLY CALL OUT, UM, THAT THE PROHIBITED OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND IS A HIGHER STANDARD EXHIBIT A, YOU KNOW, CALLS OUT SPECIFICALLY THAT, UM, OUTDOOR CONCERTS SHALL BE ORIENTED TOWARDS ONE A THREE A AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
SO ARE WE LOOKING TO, UH, AT LEAST PUT THIS UP FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT WITH THE ASSUMPTION OR, OR NOT ASSUMPTION, BUT WITH, WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING SURE THAT AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND WILL BE, WILL, WILL BE ACCEPTABLE UP TO A CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVEL, BUT YOU'RE STILL NEEDING TO TEST, TEST THAT BASED ON HIGHWAY SOUND WE'RE SAYING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE WITH THE NOISE.
I MEAN, TO ME THAT MAKES SENSE.
'CAUSE NOT TO MENTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NOISE IS GONNA BE LIKE ONCE YOU PUT GC IN THERE AND THEN, OR, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT MAY GO AROUND IT POTENTIALLY.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, YEAH, WITH THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.
THANKS MR. MOSS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I JUST HAVE A STATEMENT.
UM, I AM NOT FOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AT ALL.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, EVEN IF IT'S UH, UH, 800 FEET OR 1500 FEET.
I'VE LIVED IN PLACES WHERE YOU THINK WHEN YOU PLANNING THIS, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE THIS.
BUT THEN ONCE IT GETS THERE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARING ALL TYPES OF NOISES FROM THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, THEN ONCE THE, UM, BUSINESS GET THERE, IT IS JUST NOISE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TRAFFIC, FROM PEOPLE, FROM JUST EVERYTHING YOU KNOW.
AND THEN YOU SAYING YOU WANT AMPLIFIED SOUND.
I AM 100% SUPPORTING THE RESIDENTS ON THIS, ON I'M NOT FOR THE AMPLIFIED SOUND THING.
COMMISSIONER MAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIDGET? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP IS I, I, I ACTUALLY WORK PARKING FOR A LOT OF THE EVENTS.
SO I, UM, WHEN WE HAVE THE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL, I, I'M STANDING IN THE PARKING LOT WHILE THEY HAVE THE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THAT, MAYBE FIVE, 600 FEET FROM THE STAGE.
UH, SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THESE RESIDENTS.
AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS IF YOU TELL EVERYBODY TO BE QUIET AND YOU CUP YOUR EAR, YOU CAN HEAR THE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL.
IT DOES NOT DROWN OUT YOUR CONVERSATION.
IF I HAD THE TV ON, I WOULDN'T HEAR IT.
UM, YOU WERE IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HEAR IT.
UM, UH, THIS SITE HERE WOULD NOT BE CONDUCIVE TO IT.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD PUT ENOUGH CARS ANYWHERE NEAR THERE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL ACRES OF PARKING LOT THAT IT IS A GRASS PARKING LOT, BUT WE, WE USE THAT TO ACTUALLY PARK ENOUGH CARS FOR THAT.
UM, AND ALSO THE THING ABOUT AMPLIFIED SOUND, TECHNICALLY A KARAOKE MACHINE THAT MY GRANDDAUGHTER HAS IS CONSIDERED AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTSIDE.
UM, I GUESS A, A STEREO OR A BOOMBOX WOULD BE CONSIDERED AMPLIFIED SOUND.
SO YOU HAVE TO YEAH, WE, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT CONCERTS.
UM, HUGE CON SNOOP DOGG CONCERT.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF IT.
I DON'T SEE THE ABILITY TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THERE.
BUT WHEN SOMEBODY GETS UP AND THEY'RE SPEAKING TO, UM,
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WHERE YOU'RE PLANTING THE FLOWERS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR THE PERSON SPEAKING.UM, I THINK MAYBE THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING THE, THESE PLANT FLOWER PLANTING AT MIDNIGHT.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
UM, MAYBE THE CITY COULD CLARIFY THE, UH, DON'T THEY HAVE TO GET SPECIAL USE PERMITS ON MOST OF THE EVENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO ON WITH THIS? DO YOU MEAN SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT? RIGHT.
LIKE THEY WERE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF CONCERT.
WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, JOHN AND I PLAYING THE GUITAR WE WON ALLOWED THAT
WELL, JOHN CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T.
UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS PEACE OF MIND HERE BECAUSE THAT, THAT, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CENTER, BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE ESPECIALLY LIKE AT THE GALA.
OR, OR NOBODY'S GONNA HEAR THEIR NAME WHEN IT'S CALLED FOR THE AWARD.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, WELL, LONG BEFORE I WAS AN OLD FAT GRAY-HAIRED MAN, I DID PLAY A LOT OF LIVE MUSIC AND, AND I PLAYED 'EM IN SOME PRETTY BIG VENUES.
AND, UM, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE, THE THANK YOU, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE A LOT OF SOUND OFF OF THAT STAGE, AND I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DRIVE MORE SOUND THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY PUT PEOPLE IN THAT SPOT BASED ON THIS PUD FOR THIS TO BECOME AN ISSUE.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY IF, IF YOU DID A FARMER'S MARKET AND YOU WANTED TO HAVE SOME SINGER SONGWRITERS ON THAT STAGE, AND, UM, I WOULD BET YOU ANYTHING FROM EXPERIENCE, YOU COULDN'T HEAR IT ACROSS THE PARKING LOT.
UM, I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA BE A ROCK PROMOTER, DO YOU DON'T THINK THE CHAMBER DOES.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT IN MY, I I MEAN, SO I I GET IT.
UM, I WORK OLD TOWN FESTIVAL EVERY YEAR, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I CAN'T HEAR THE BANDS FROM THE CHAMBER BUILDING.
AND THOSE ARE FULL-BLOWN AMPLIFIED BANDS.
AND IF WE'RE TALKING 1500 FEET AWAY, UM, I WOULD, IF I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CONCERT VENUE, I I WOULD BE ASKING FOR BAFFLES.
I WOULD BE ASKING FOR, FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONCESSIONS.
I, UH, I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN HERE IS DESPERATELY NEEDED IN THE CITY.
WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE THIS CITY ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPACES LIKE THIS.
UM, I, I GET THE, I GET THE CONCERN.
I I WOULD PROBABLY WANNA HAVE THEM ANSWERED.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT, THIS IS AN ISSUE AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE PROJECT COMMISSIONER HAN.
UM, I, I'LL ASK A QUESTION FIRST AND THEN I HAVE JUST A, A STATEMENT, BUT WHO APPROVES THE EVENT PERMITS? IS THAT STAFF OR IS IT CITY COUNCIL? OKAY, SO IT COMES FOR CITY.
I LOVE, I LOVE, AND, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE, BUT I LOVE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'LL MAKE MY POINT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.
I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT THE INTENDED USES VERSUS THE ALLOWABLE USES.
AND WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION AROUND THAT FROM, YOU KNOW, ZONING EARLIER TONIGHT, UH, AROUND WHAT PEOPLE INTEND TO DO VERSUS ONCE WE APPROVE IT, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO, UM, THE GREAT THING IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS GONNA BE, UH, APPROVED BY OUR CITY COUNCIL.
AND I, AND I TRUST THAT THEY'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE GOODNESS OF OUR CITIZENS.
THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND SO THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT AS WELL, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR INTENDED USES ARE VERSUS RIGHT.
I TOTALLY, VERSUS WHAT'S ALLOWED.
SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF ON THE FENCE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF EASED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ME.
SO I I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME THAT YOU PUT IN THIS AND I, AND I LOVE THE PLAN, SO THANKS.
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MORE COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.THE, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS NOT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, BUT THE RENTALS TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE A WEDDING.
AND SO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, OH NO, NO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THIS OR THAT.
WE WILL HAVE STAFF ON SITE ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T VIOLATE THE SOUND.
AREN'T IN INTENTION IS TO HIRE AN EVENT COORDINATOR.
AND SO WE WILL HAVE A, JUST LIKE GEORGETOWN, SO THE GEORGETOWN CHAMBER ALSO HAS THIS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME SETUP THAT, UH, IN GEORGETOWN ON CHAMBER WAY.
UM, IT IS IDENTICAL AND IT DOES, BY THE WAY, BACK TO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THEY HAVE AN EVENT PERSON ON STAFF THAT MANAGES THAT AND THAT DOES STAY LIKE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE COORDINATOR FOR THAT EVENT.
SO WHEN YOU PAY TO RENT OUR VENUE, YOU'LL PAY FOR TWO THINGS, JUST LIKE YOU DO IN GEORGETOWN OR WHEREVER ELSE YOU'LL PAY FOR A POLICE OFFICER.
SO IF ANYTHING'S GETTING OUT OF HAND, ONE REALLY HONESTLY TO PROTECT OUR BUILDING, BUT I MEAN IT WILL ALSO HAVE THE, AL THE ALTERNATIVE OF PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
BUT, UH, THAT, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO HAVE AN EVENT COORDINATOR THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
SO THAT ALLEVIATES MY CONCERN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR WELCOME.
UM, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR, UM, STAFF TO TAKE THE PUD NOTES AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CORRECTED COPY ON THE AGENDA.
AND I THINK, EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE, SIR.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD A CORRECTED PUD NOTE SET THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE WOULD HAVE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA SO EVERYBODY HAS A MOMENT TO LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN COMMUNICATE BETTER.
Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, I'LL MAKE THAT A MOTION.
I'LL SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE A SECOND BY THE VICE CHAIR TO BRING BACK THE, UH, REVISED PUTT NOTES OR MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CORRECT REVISION OF THE PUTT NOTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? NONE.
THE TIME IS NOW 7 42 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.