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THE TIME IS NOW[1. Call to Order.]
6:00 PM AND THE MEETING OF THE LANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.PLEASE LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT.
WE'LL NOW GO ON TO ITEM THREE, THE
[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the May 2, 2024 meeting.]
DIRECTOR'S REPORT.I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
DURING THE, UM, MAY 2ND MEETING ON ITEMS THAT WERE FORWARDED TO THEM BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, THE COUNCIL COMPLETED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SULLIVAN TRACK CONCEPT PLAN REVISION NUMBER ONE.
UM, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ACTION 'CAUSE THERE WAS A TYPO ON THE AGENDA.
SO THE ACTION WILL BE, UM, ON MAY 16TH.
THEY ALSO COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE BURLESON ZONING CASE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEY DID APPROVE THAT REQUEST.
[4. Review of meeting protocol.]
MEETING PROTOCOL.ON MY LEFT ON THE WALL IS HOW WE CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK THAT OVER.
ITEM FIVE IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THAT PARTICULAR THING, BUT IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE
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ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM SIX THROUGH 10 CAN BE PASSED WITH A SINGLE MOTION.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MAY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KALO.
OKAY, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING.
[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Subdivision Case FP-23-0055 to consider the replat of Lots 37, 38, and 39, Hidden Mesa Subdivision as Crystal Mesa Cove Two Final Plat on three (3) parcels of land approximately 10.339 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Travis Central Appraisal District Parcels 354047, 354048, and 354050; and generally located to the southwest of the intersection of on the west of High Lonesome and CR 290, Leander, Travis County, Texas.
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UH, IF YOU HAVE SUBMITTED A CARD AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE'LL CALL YOU UP HERE FOR THREE MINUTE, UH, TALK FROM YOU.
THAT IS OUR TIME TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE ITEM.
THERE'S NOT A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION, SO WE CAN'T ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN'T ASK US QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME.
THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, DON'T SHOUT OUT QUESTIONS, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WAIT FOR YOUR TURN TO SPEAK.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL UM, GO TO ITEM NUMBER 11, PUBLIC HEARING FOR SUBDIVISION CASE FP DASH 23 DASH 0 0 55.
TO CONSIDER THE RELA OF LOTS 37, 38, AND 39 HIDDEN MESA SUBDIVISION AS CRYSTAL MESA COVE.
TWO FINAL PLAT PARCELS AND ACREAGE AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA.
THIS IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHLAND L SUM COUNTY ROAD TWO 90 STAFF PRESENTATION.
THIS REQUEST IS THE FINAL STEP IN THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
THE FINAL PLAT INCLUDES EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, TWO HOA LANDSCAPE LOTS, AND ONE HOA DRAINAGE LOT.
THE PROPOSAL MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT WITH THE CONDITION LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION NOT NEEDED, UNLESS THERE A QUESTION.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 11? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? I'M GOOD.
COMMISSIONER KALAM? ALL GOOD HERE.
SO DO I HEAR MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE I SECOND.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOSS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[12. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0065 to amend the current zoning of PEC PUD (Planned Unit Development) to change the zoning to GC-2-C (General Commercial) on one (1) parcel of land approximately 12.405 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R623019; and legally described as Lot 1, Block A, PEC Data Center, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF PEC PUD TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO GC TWO C UH, PARCELS AND ACREAGE AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT ONE BLOCK, A PEC DATA CENTER STAFF PRESENTATION.
HOPE YOU'RE ALL DOING WELL, DALE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT IS, UH, WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO COMMERCIALLY DEVELOP THE SITE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, THIS COMMISSION WILL NOTE THAT ONLY THE REQUESTED PORTION, UH, AS OUTLINED RIGHT THERE IN RED OF THE PEC PUD IS BEING REVISED.
UH, PER THIS REQUEST, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE EAST, WHICH IS THE PEC DATA CENTER, UH, WILL REMAIN WITHIN THE PEC PUD.
THE REMAINDER OF THE, UH, PUD, WHICH WILL BE THE SOUTH PORTION, UH, WILL BE REVIEWED AS AN UPCOMING ZONING CASE, WHICH IS NEXT, UH, Z 23 0 0 9 1.
UH, PLEASE NOTE THE ACCESS DRIVE TO THE SOUTH, UH, WILL REMAIN.
AND THAT IS THIS GUY RIGHT HERE.
TO KIND OF SET THE SCENE OF THE ZONING, UH, IN THE AREA TO THE NORTH IS HC FIVE D UH, AND THE
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CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT SECTOR.UH, THE LAND USE TYPE IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL, UH, TO THE EAST IS THE PEC DATA CENTER, UH, PUD THE REMAINDER OF THAT TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, GC THREE C AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND TO THE WEST ACROSS FROM, UM, UH, 180 3 A IS, UH, UNDEVELOPED AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE LEANDER SPRINGS MIXED USE.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF THE PEC DATA CENTER AND JUST SOUTH OF, UH, ENTERPRISE BUSINESS PARK AND FAB CON PRODUCTS.
THOSE TWO BUSINESSES ARE HERE.
UM, PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND WEST ACROSS, UH, 180 3 A TOLL ROAD ARE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UM, THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED, UH, TODAY WITH LARGE AMOUNTS OF TREE COVER TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, NORTHWEST OF THE TRACT.
ANY EXISTING SIGNIFICANT AND OR HERITAGE TREES ON SITE WILL BE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITHIN THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE AND, UH, HAVE TO MITIGATE, UH, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
UH, THERE IS A PRE-EXISTING, UH, ANNEXATION, A ZONING CASE.
UH, WE CAN GET INTO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, ALSO THIS HAS BEEN PLOTTED AS THE PEC DATA CENTER SUBDIVISION, UH, 21, UH, SFP 0 0 7 AND WAS APPROVED, UH, OCTOBER 14TH, 2021.
THIS PROPERTY HAS ACCESS ONTO 180 3 A TOLL ROAD, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UM, CALLS FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS, ANY ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAYS OFF OF 180 3, A TOLL ROAD IF THEY NEED.
UH, AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY, UH, WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL BY THE CITY OF LEANDER, UH, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UH, AND C-T-M-R-A-C-T-R-M DRIVEWAY SPACING ALONG A TOLL ROAD SHALL COMPLY WITH THE T ACCESS CONTROL MANUAL.
ADDITIONALLY, AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT EITHER A TIA TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR A FEE IN LIEU OF THE T-I-A-T-I-A AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.
UH, THERE ARE POTENTIAL RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS FOR 180 3 A, UH, INCLUDING A SIDEWALK POTENTIAL RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION, DESAL LANE DEPENDING ON THE, UH, END PRODUCT, ET CETERA.
AND IT WILL BE VETTED THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
UH, I INCLUDED A TABLE, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY DESIGNATION IS A HUNDRED, UH, 400, UH, FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WITH 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS.
THIS IS ALONG A, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND IT'S EXISTING ACCESS CONTROLLED, UH, ARTERIAL RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE ARE EXISTING UTILITIES IN THE AREA.
THERE IS A 12 INCH WATER LINE RUNNING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF 180 3 A TOLL ROAD, AND THERE IS AN EIGHT INCH, UH, SEWER LINE THAT IS PROVIDED AT THE NORTH OF THE TRACK THROUGH THE APPROVED PEC DATA CENTER.
UH, AND THAT'S PROJECT 21 PICP 0 1 4.
THE PROPERTY IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED AS WE, UH, AS I STATED TO BEFORE, UH, BUT IT DOES CONTAIN, UM, A PRIVATE DRIVE TO THE SOUTH ASSOCIATED WITH THE PEC DATA CENTER.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT, UH, USES, UH, TODAY, UM, WE STAFF HAS HELD A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT ON FEBRUARY 1ST, UH, 2021.
UM, NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PROJECT SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT MEETING WAS HELD.
UM, YOUR NOTIFICATION SCHEDULE IS IN YOUR PACKET.
IT WAS, UH, PUBLISHED IN THE HILL COUNTRY NEWS, UH, MAILING NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
UH, PUBLIC SIGNAGE OR SIGNAGE FOR THE HEARINGS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, TONIGHT IS THE, UM, UH, FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, CITY COUNCIL WILL HEAR THIS PROJECT ON, UH, JUNE 6TH.
AND THEN THE SECOND AND FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE WILL BE SLATED FOR JUNE, UH, 20TH.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THE MAILED NOTICE ON BEHALF OF CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FELL WITHIN 200 FEET, THE AGENT REACHED OUT TO, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY OR ANY OTHER, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPERTY, UH, USED AS SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN 500 FEET.
AS PER OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, ANY HOAS WERE ALSO NOTIFIED.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY HOAS IN THE AREA.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH WAS CONDUCTED VIA DIRECT COMMUNICATION AND MAILED CORRESPONDENCE.
UH, THE FULL REPORT WAS IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER EIGHT.
UM, AS A UPDATE, UH, TO THIS COMMISSION.
CITY STAFF NOTED THAT ONE PAR, UH, PARCEL, UH, NORTHEAST OF THE SITE AND ACROSS, I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, NORTHEAST OF THE SITE, AND ACROSS FROM, UH, 2243, WHICH WAS THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE, UM, WAS IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
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TWO B, AND IT FELL WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BUFFER AND MUST BE NOTIFIED.UH, TO DATE, UH, STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE OR UPDATED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IS PRESENTED TO YOU, UM, APPROVAL CRITERIA.
SO AS THIS COMMISSION WILL NOTE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS WITHIN THE, UH, MULTI-USE CORRIDOR AND, UH, DESIGNATED PRIORITY CORRIDOR PER THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE REQUEST IS STRENGTHENED BY EXISTING ACCESS ONTO 180 3 TOLL ROAD.
COMMERCIAL USE ON THE HARD CORNER WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, UH, PRODUCTS IN THE AREA.
UH, AND THE, THE ABOVE BEING SAID, THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, APPEARS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS AND USES OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAT DESIGNATION OF MULTI-USE CORRIDOR PRIORITY CORRIDOR.
THEREFORE, STAFFER RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST.
SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, AND THEY MAY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION.
UM, IF NOT, THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
AND STAFF IS ALSO HERE FOR QUESTIONS, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? PRESENTATION? DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
UH, CLAYTON STROLL 87 0 1 MOPAC EXPRESSWAY, AUSTIN, TEXAS.
I'M WITH WESTWOOD, SO WE ARE REPRESENTING THE CLIENT ON THIS ONE.
UM, WE JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF THIS, UM, REZONING WAS TO REMOVE THAT SOUTHERN PORTION FROM THE, THE PUD THAT WAS ALREADY THERE, UM, AND KIND OF ESTABLISH A ZONE THAT WAS OF WHAT WE COULD DO, OF WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE PARCEL AT THE MOMENT.
WE'RE JUST GETTING THAT SOUTHERN PIECE OUT OF WHAT WAS CURRENTLY ALREADY IN THE, IN THE OLD PUD SO THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR REZONING.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THIS ITEM NUMBER.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON IT? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER KALAM, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? VICE CHAIR? I'M GOOD.
COMMISSIONER MOSS? I JUST HAVE A A ONE QUESTION.
UM, IS IT, UM, POSSIBLE FOR, UM, A LC LICENSE INSTEAD OF A GC UH, A PERMIT THAT'S A LOCAL, LOCAL COMMERCIAL? BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR A GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THOSE ARE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO YOUR, YOUR REQUEST IS FOR A GENERAL COMMERCIAL THAT HAS THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL USES AND SHE'S ASKING FOR A LOWER DISTRICT.
SO IT'S MORE LOCAL COMMERCIAL USES.
SO ITEMS LIKE, UH, BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS.
UH, GAS, WELL, I THINK THEY CAN'T DO GAS STATIONS.
UM, OFFICE WAREHOUSE, I, YOU ARE NOT SURE.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I KNOW THE, UH, UH, THE OWNER'S INTENT WAS TO KIND OF LEAVE THE USES THAT ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN THERE, WHICH, UM, SO THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO, TO STAY G.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? NO, GC MAKES SENSE IN THAT CORNER.
COMMISSIONER MAYHAN? YEP, I'M GOOD.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KLUM.
[13. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-23-0091 to amend the current zoning of PEC PUD (Planned Unit Development) to adopt the North Creekside Commons Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of GC-2-A (General Commercial) on a portion of the original PUD, on two (2) parcels of land approximately 14.88 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031359 and R635253; and generally located 850 feet to the southeast of the intersection of RM 2243 and 183A Toll Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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SO, SEC PLANNING IS, UH, HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THE PROJECT.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICANTS HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING, UH, DISTRICT OF THEIR PARCEL IN ORDER TO COMMERCIALLY DEVELOP THE SITE WITHOUT A LIMITATION ON BUILDING SIZE MAXIMUMS. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF, UH, THE, UH, ZONING THAT WE JUST COVERED.
SO, UM, THE DEVELOPERS WERE REQUESTING EXCEPTION TO REMOVE THE BUILDING SIZE MAXIMUM.
SO THERE'S SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVED.
UH, THIS COMMISSION WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THE ONLY, UH, THAT ONLY THE REQUESTED PORTION OF THE PEC PUTT IS BEING REVISED, UH, PER THIS REQUEST, THE DEVELOPED PEC DATA CENTER TO THE EAST, UH, WILL REMAIN WITHIN THE PEC PUD, THE REMAINDER OF THE PEC PUD.
THE NORTH PORTION, UH, WILL BE REVIEWED AS PART OF ZONING CASES Z 23 0 0 5, WHICH WE JUST COVERED.
UM, AND WE WILL ALSO NOTE THAT, UH, THE ACCESS DRIVE TO THE NORTH WILL REMAIN.
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SO TO THE NORTH IS THE, UH, PC POD.THE REMAINDER, UM, AND IT'S UNDEVELOPED TO THE EAST IS SFR ONE B, AND THAT IS A PLACE OF WORSHIP TO THE SOUTH IS GC THREE C AND THAT IS UNDEVELOPED.
AND THEN AGAIN, ACROSS THE, UH, 180 3 A IS, UH, THE UNDEVELOPED LEANDER SPRINGS, MIXED EXCUSE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, SOUTH OF THE PEC DATA CENTER AND WEST OF GENERATIONS CHURCH.
THE PROPERTY CONTAINS, UH, CELEBRATION CHURCH WITH SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND UNDEVELOPED LAND WITH MINIMAL TREE COVERAGE.
ANY EXISTING SIGNIFICANT OR HERITAGE TREE ON THE SITE WILL BE REVIEWED, UH, AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN, UH, AND, AND REQUIRE MITIGATION OR, OR WHATEVER MEANS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
UH, THERE WAS, UM, A ZONING CASE ON THIS PREVIOUSLY, AS WELL AS, UH, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, PLATTED AS, UH, PEC DATA CENTER SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS PROJECT 21 SFP 0 0 7.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, IN 2021.
THE REMAINDER OF THE TRACK IS UN PLATTED, SO THEY'LL PROBABLY COME THROUGH WITH SOME, UH, PLATTING.
UM, THE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS ONTO 180 3 TOLL ROAD.
AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ON, UH, 180 3 A TOLL ROAD.
THIS IS A 400 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WITH A 10 FOOT, UH, SIDEWALK REQUIRED.
IT IS WITHIN A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, A PRIORITY CORRIDOR.
UH, IT'S, UH, THE 180 3 TOLL ROAD I'M, I'M REFERRING TO, UH, IS AN EXISTING, UH, ACCESS CONTROLLED ARTERIAL.
THE PROPERTY AS ACCESS, UH, TO A 12 INCH WATER LINE RUNNING ON THE FRONTAGE OF 180 3, A TOLL ROAD.
AND AN EIGHT INCH LINE, UH, SEWER LINE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE NORTH OF THE TRACK THROUGH AN APPROVED PEC DATA CENTER.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A PLACE OF WORSHIP WITH ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE REMAINDER OF THE TRACT IS UNDEVELOPED, AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, THIS PORTION UP HERE TO THE NORTH.
THERE WAS A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING HELD WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UH, MAY 9TH, 2022.
UH, THE ONLY CHANGE TO, UH, ADDRESS WOULD BE THEY REMOVED A RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT FROM THE, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, AGAIN, NOTIFICATIONS IN THE, UH, HILL COUNTRY NEWS PAPER PUBLICATIONS, SIGNAGE ON SITE.
UH, TIN TONIGHT IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S, UH, SECOND PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE WILL BE ON THE 6TH OF JUNE.
AND THE SIXTH, UH, JUNE 20TH WILL BE THE, UH, FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICES MAILED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FELL WITHIN 200 FOOT, UH, OF THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO BE REZONED, THE APPLICANT ALSO REACHED OUT TO, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH WAS THE CHURCH IN THE EAST, UH, THAT FELL WITHIN THAT 500 FOOT, UH, BUFFER.
AND THEN, UM, THAT, UH, DIRECT COMMUNICATION AND EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER NINE.
AS THIS COMMISSION WILL NOTE, MUCH OF THE SITE IS WITHIN THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR PRIORITY CORRIDOR, UH, DESIGNATION PER FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THIS REQUEST IS FURTHER STRENGTHENED BY EXISTING ACCESS ONTO 180 3 TOLL, UH, ROAD.
AND, UH, THE MINOR PLAN, UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING A MINOR PLAN, UH, PUD INCLUDING, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS ALLOWABLE THROUGH THE BASE ZONING OF GC TWO A, WHICH IS OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION.
UH, THEY ARE ALLOWING, OR THEY ARE REQUESTING ALLOWABLE USES.
UH, ALL, UH, THE ALLOWABLE USES ARE REQUESTED PER THE BASE ZONING GC TWO A, UH, PER THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS THAT, UH, THE COMPOSITE ZONING, UH, ORDINANCE SECTION, UH, THAT PUTS A CAP ON BUILDING SIZE, UH, IS MODIFIED TO REMOVE THAT BUILDING SIZE MAXIMUM.
THE ABOVE BEING SAID, THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, APPEARS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS AND USES OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF MULTI-USE CORRIDOR PRIORITY CORRIDOR.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST.
SO NOW I'LL PASS IT OFF TO THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THEN STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
UM, WHOLEHEARTEDLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING BRING BEFORE YOU A MINOR PUD
UM, I HAD REALLY HOPED THAT THIS WOULD BE A STRAIGHT ZONING, BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO KIND OF CLARIFY THE REASON FOR THE MINOR PUD BEFORE YOU THERE.
THERE'S, AS RADO AND I WALK THROUGH AND TALK THROUGH, THERE'S KIND OF THIS WEIRD NUANCE IN THE SITE COMPONENT TYPE THREE.
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THREE DOESN'T HAVE THE BUILDING SIZE LIMITATION, BUT IT ALLOWS GAS STATIONS.AND APPARENTLY THAT'S AN ISSUE IN LEANDER TO HAVE A GAS STATION ON 180 3 A.
SO HER AND I WORKED TOGETHER TO DROP IT DOWN TO THE TWO AND WAIVE THE BUILDING SIZE LIMITATION.
AND I JUST, I, I WENT BACK IN JUST TO CHECK.
SO THE BUILDING SIZE LIMITATION IS ONLY 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE A 400,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR ANYTHING ENORMOUS ON THE SITE.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY FOR THE USES THAT ARE PROPOSED, THAT 40,000 PROBABLY IS GONNA BE A BURDEN PREVENTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEFORE YOU KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER TO AVOID THE CONCERN ABOUT A GAS STATION.
'CAUSE WE HAVE NO INTENT FOR A GAS STATION ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A BUILDING LARGER THAN 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T HAVE CARDS ON THIS ISSUE.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MAYHAN? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, WITH THE, I I LOOKED AT THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE AND MR. QUI IS RIGHT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THE WHAT, UM, WOULD THAT ALSO REMOVE ANY HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT MIGHT BE ON IT? IT WOULD NOT.
SO THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION WOULD BE THE SAME EITHER WAY.
COMMISSIONER COSPER? NO, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER MAY I'M GOOD.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME QUESTION, BUT I'M GOOD.
I DID A QUICK, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTS? UH, LIKE HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING TO GO OVER THE 40,000? BECAUSE IF YOU, BASED ON GC TWO A, YOU CAN DO 40,000 UP TO 60,000, WHICH I ASSUME IS TWO STORIES.
SO YOU CAN PUT ALMOST 60,000 SQUARE FEET IN THAT 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.
UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I JUST, WHEN, WHEN ROBIN BROUGHT THIS UP, I SIMPLY, AND, AND WE DEVELOPED A STRATEGY FOR TO WORK AROUND OR WORK THROUGH THIS.
I JUST SIMPLY CALLED THE DECLINE AND ASKED, IS THIS AN ISSUE? YEAH.
DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY'RE GONNA NEED.
WE JUST SIMPLY SAID YES, IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
[14. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-24-0019 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance to update definitions, add uses and create criteria for Vape Shops, Smoke Shops and Cosmetic Services, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas.
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THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO UPDATE DEFINITIONS, ADD USES, AND CREATE CRITERIA FOR VAPE SHOPS, SMOKE SHOPS, AND COSMETIC SERVICES STAFF PRESENTATION.
THE COMPOSITE ZONING CURRENTLY DOES NOT ADDRESS VAPE SHOPS OR SMOKE SHOPS AS PERMITTED USES.
DURING THE JANUARY 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL REQUESTED A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS VAPE SHOPS.
UM, THEY HELD A WORKSHOP ON MARCH 7TH TO DISCUSS THIS.
UM, DURING THAT MEETING, THEY REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING, REGARDING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SURROUNDING CITIES WITH REGARD TO VAPE SHOPS.
STAFF REVIEWED THE ORDINANCES AND CONTACTED THE SURROUNDING CITIES CITIES TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND THEY FOUND THAT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES DO NOT SPECIFICALLY RESTRICT THE SALE OF VAPE PRODUCTS.
THE RESTRICTIONS ARE APPLIED TO USES SUCH AS ACTIVE USE OF VAPE OR VAPE LOUNGES.
UM, STAFF PROVIDED A FOLLOW UP PRESENTATION ON APRIL 4TH AND CONFIRMED THE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
UM, AND THE COUNTER REQUESTED THAT STAFF PROVIDED DEFINITIONS TO VAPE SHOPS, SMOKE SHOPS AND LUNGES, AS WELL AS PROVIDE A SETBACK OF A THOUSAND FEET FROM PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
SO THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IT WOULD INCLUDE ADDING VAPE SHOPS, SMOKE SHOPS, AND COSMETIC SERVICES.
AS USES PERMITTED AN LC USE COMPONENT.
IT ADDED A CONDITION THAT VAPE SHOPS AND SMOKE SHOPS ARE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
THESE USES WERE INCLUDED IN THE LC USE COMPONENT SINCE THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE RETAIL SALES USE COSMETIC SERVICES.
UM, WERE ADDING THAT TO THE LC USE COMPONENTS SINCE THEY'RE FREQUENTLY ASSOCIATED WITH MED SPAS.
AND WE'RE ADDING A LOUNGE USED TO THE HC USE COMPONENT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HOOKAH LOUNGE THAT IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO SEND A NOTIFICATION TO ALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION THAT ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE.
IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE NO VAPE SHOPS OR SMOKE SHOPS THAT WERE CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL.
IT WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.
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NOPE, I'M GOOD.COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? NO, I'M NOT A FAN OF ANYTHING, BUT I'M GOOD.
COMMISSIONER MOSS? I'M GOOD VICE CHAIR.
UH, SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE WITH, FOR THE CITY SPECIFICALLY AROUND WHY ARE WE SELECTING OR ALLOWING THIS UNDER LC VERSUS GC? I LOOKED AT THE MAP SPECIFICALLY OF WHERE THE FIVE LOCATIONS YOU HAD SPECIFIED.
SO IT WOULD BE SALES, JUST RETAIL SALES.
WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE THE TYPE OF SALES THAT THEY ARE.
SO IT'D BE LIKE MOVING, LIKE MOVING RETAIL TO GC.
'CAUSE I MEAN, OTHER CITIES DO, IT'LL BE LOOKED AT SIMILARLY.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE CONCERN.
I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS MATTER.
OTHER CITIES HAVE CONCERN WITH JUST THE AESTHETICS AND OTHER AREAS THAT SURROUNDED, I GET THE THOUSAND FOOT SETBACK.
SO OTHER CITIES DO THAT AS WELL.
WE CAN CONSIDER IT, WE CAN ASK THE COUNCILORS.
I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.
AND I HONESTLY, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT UNDER BE ALLOW THIS, THE LIST OF THESE USES BE UNDER GC.
MAYBE THE COSMETIC STUFF IS FINE, BUT THE, THE, THE SMOKE SHOP VAPE SHOP, SINCE ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM, I SHOULDN'T SAY ALMOST ALL OF THEM THAT ARE IN THE CITY CURRENTLY.
AND THE ONE YOU HAVE ON RONALD REAGAN'S ACTUALLY A CBD STORE.
I KNOW YOU PUT VAPE SHOP UNDER YOUR, YOUR YOUR MAP KEY UP THERE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A CBD SHOP.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S IN COLD SPRINGS.
SO, BUT THEY'RE ALL IN, THEY'RE ALL IN THE GC ZONES.
SO I WOULD RATHER SEE THIS LISTED AS A, AS A A ALLOWED USE IN A GC AND NOT LC.
BECAUSE THE LC IS, IS DESIGNED TO BE MORE OF A BUFFER BETWEEN MM-HMM.
AND SINCE WE'RE ALREADY TRYING TO PUT A RESTRICTION ON THESE NEAR SCHOOLS AND EVEN POTENTIAL RESIDENCES, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A BAR OR A VAPE SHOP NEAR THEIR HOME.
I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT THERE.
UM, SO THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK THERE SHOULD ALSO BE SOME OTHER RESTRICTIONS MAYBE AS FAR AS LIKE THE CITY DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO I DO KNOW UNDER LC IF WE ALLOWED THAT, WE COULD RESTRICT IT IF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DEEMS IT NECESSARY, THAT DOESN'T COMPLY OR IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER AREA ZONING, LIKE SAY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, MY OTHER CONCERN WITH THESE PARTICULAR, UH, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, VAPE AND SMOKE SHOPS IS JUST THE, THE MARKETING, THE SIGNAGE AND JUST SOME OF THE, THE AESTHETICS OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY PLEASING SURE.
THEY WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH, WITH EVERYTHING.
BUT I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN OTHERS AND EVEN CONVENIENCE STORES AROUND LEANDER THAT HAVE BARS IN THE WINDOWS, LED LIGHTS AND, AND JUST BIG ANNOYING SIGNAGE IN THE WINDOWS LIQUOR STORES HAVE THOSE TOO.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON CLEANING UP, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS I WANTED TO ADDRESS AT LEAST BRING FORTH, UM, BEFORE WE PUT THIS TO A VOTE.
COMMISSIONER KALO, GOSH, MY FIRST REACTION TO THIS WAS IT'S A LEGAL PRODUCT.
I'M NOT A FAN, LIKE COMMISSIONER COSGROVE SAID HE WASN'T.
UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE ANTICIPATORY NATURE OF THIS.
TRYING TO PREVENT EASY ACCESS, UH, FOR UNDERAGE KIDS.
MY FIRST INSTINCT WAS COMPARE THIS TO, TO LIQUOR STORES IN A SENSE.
BUT THERE IS NOT THE SAME KIND OF REGULATORY CONTROL OVER SALES OF, OF, UH, VAPES AND TOBACCOS AS THERE IS FOR, AS THERE IS FOR LIQUOR.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TABC, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SIMILAR, UH, POLICE TYPE OVERSIGHT ON THIS STUFF.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT I I DON'T HAVE ANY AESTHETICS.
I I'VE GOT NO CONCERNS WITH THAT REALLY ANYWHERE.
I THINK OUR CURRENT SIGN ORDINANCE, UM, IS, IS CERTAINLY ADEQUATE FOR ADDRESSING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, UM, IT, IT, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT, UH, A THOUSAND FEET ISN'T REALLY THAT FAR.
UM, MOST OF THE SCHOOLS ARE TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING FROM THE EASY ACCESS TO THIS STUFF, HAVE A, UH, A 400 METER TRACK ON IT, AND THAT'S 300 FEET LONGER THAN THE DISTANCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN START ON ONE CORNER OF, OF ROUSE CAMPUS, UH, ROUSE WILEY CAMPUS AND WALK 2000 FEET AND STILL BE ON ROUSE WILEY CAMPUS.
SO I, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, THE DISTANCE LIMITATION, WHY NOT MAKE IT A MILE, UH, HALF A MILE, UM, YOU KNOW, 2000 FEET SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD START WALKING AT, UH, RAIDER WAY, GO A THOUSAND FEET DOWN CRYSTAL FALLS AND NOT REACH POPEYE'S CHICKEN AND BISCUITS.
I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE KIND OF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S STILL GONNA BE PRETTY EASY ACCESS.
MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE HOW DOES THIS AFFECT, OR DOES IT AFFECT CURRENT RETAILERS WITH A, UH, WITH A LICENSE TO SELL THESE PRODUCTS THAT MAY BE GAS STATIONS OR CONVENIENCE STORES? WELL, WITHIN, UH, A A THOUSAND FEET? OR ARE THERE ANY SO IT WOULD NOT, UM, BE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S SELLING IT AS AN ACCESSORY ITEMS, IT
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WOULD BE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR SALES ARE COMING FROM THIS PRODUCT.SO IT'S KIND OF THE BUSINESS PLAN OF THE STORE THAT WE'RE GONNA MM-HMM.
UM, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, THE COSMETIC SERVICES PART OF THAT EITHER.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGE FOR, FOR LC.
I WOULD JUST, I URGE, URGE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, GIVE IT REAL TEETH AND IF WE'RE GONNA RESTRICT IT, RESTRICT IT.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS MAYBE WITH THE HALF MILE OR THE MILE PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, YOU'VE GOT MIDDLE SCHOOLS, YOU'VE GOT HIGH SCHOOLS.
AND IF YOU START PUTTING, YOU KNOW, HALF MILE TO A MILE ON IT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME LOCATING ANYWHERE BECAUSE TO GET FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THIS STORE AND THEN THAT PUTS 'EM OVER HERE FROM, YOU KNOW, TO THIS STORE.
SO I, I'M ALL FOR PUTTING SOME RESTRICTIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PARAMETERS AROUND IT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD GO AS FAR AS, AS, YOU KNOW, A HALF MILE TO A MILE.
BUT GIVEN THAT THIS IS SOMETHING, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT THAT THEY, I KNOW EVERYONE'S SPOKEN TWICE, BUT NO.
ANYONE ELSE? I I, YEAH, I I DO.
I I THINK RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND FOOT FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND IN ADDITION THEN IF IT'S TWO POPEYE'S, THEY COULD WALK A COUPLE MORE FEET TO CIRCLE K AND IT, AND IT'S AN AUXILIARY.
I THINK SO I THINK THIS IS JUST A GOOD WAY OF SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW A PRIMARY USE WITHIN A THOUSAND FOOT OF THE PROPERTY LINE OF A SCHOOL.
AND, AND SO, AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A FAN OF VAPING.
UH, UH, BUT IT'S A LEGAL PRODUCT AND, AND SO I, I THINK, UM, THIS MAY BE AS GOOD AS WE GET FOR NOW.
WELL, I MEAN, I ALSO REMEMBER A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE HAD A, WE HAD THE CASE THAT WAS AROUND STYLES AND AIKEN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND, AND EVEN COUNSEL WASN'T CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD IN THAT CASE ABOUT BEING 300 FEET AWAY, POTENTIALLY PUTTING A C STORE IN THAT LOCATION THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, SO I MEAN, I, I STILL THINK AT THOUSAND OR 1500 FEET IS PERFECTLY FINE, OR AT LEAST IF YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH A THOUSAND, MOST CITIES I'VE SEEN HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH A THOUSAND TO AN EXISTING VAPE SHOP.
SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY.
THE OTHER QUESTION I DID HAVE, I FORGOT TO MENTION, I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS, BUT IT WAS LIKE, WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH PREVIOUS ZONING CASES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR PUDS WHERE EITHER LC OR GC HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THERE AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY LISTED RESTRICTIONS FOR HIGHER STANDARDS AND REMOVED SOME OF THE, THE, UH, SITE USES FROM THAT.
ARE THESE GONNA BE ALLOWED OR GRANDFATHERED IN OR DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR APPROVAL? IF WE, IF WE THEN ALLOW VAPE AND SMOKE SHOPS UNDER GC OR LC, HOW HOW'S THAT GONNA GONNA WORK? SO YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU LIMIT IT TO THAT CURRENT, LIKE IF IT'S GONNA BE TO WELL, WAS IN THAT PLACE WHEN IT I'M JUST SAYING APPROVED, I'M IF THEY'RE ALREADY, IF THEY'RE ALREADY, IF THEY'RE ALREADY APPROVED FOR, LET'S JUST SAY THIS GETS APPROVED FOR LC.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT FOR THAT.
LET'S SAY IT GETS APPROVED UNDER LC, THEN THAT MEANS ANYBODY IN THE CITY THAT HAS LC ZONING NOW OKAY.
WOULD THEN BE ALLOWED TO PUT A VAPE SHOP OR A SMOKE SHOP.
RIGHT? SO OR IF IT'S A PUD AND THEY WERE APPROVED FOR LC MM-HMM.
OR GC FOR THAT MATTER, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT A VAPE SHOP OR A SMOKE SHOP THERE.
AND THEN IT EXPLICITLY SAYS, UNLESS IT EXPLICITLY SAYS RIGHT.
SO THEN WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA ALLOW THAT FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS CASES THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING UNDER THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY, ANOTHER REASON WHY I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT MAKING THIS A REQUIREMENT UNDER GC AND NOT LC, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE HIGHER DENSITY ZONES, THEY'RE MORE ACTIVITY CENTERS, MORE THAN MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, UH, AND HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THE LC IS USUALLY MORE OF A BUFFER FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL.
AND, UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING COMMISSIONER? MAY.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? Y'ALL READY FOR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT WITH THE ONE CHANGE THAT, UH, THE VICE CHAIR BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE I ALSO AGREE WITH MAKING IT GC VERSUS LC.
SO THE VAPE SHOPS BEING GC EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, BEAUTY SERVICES? YEAH.
JUST THE VA, JUST THE VAPE SHOPS IS THE OH.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? I WOULD SECOND THAT.
I SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSS BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH THERE SO YOU CAN GIVE IT TO MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOSS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? OKAY.
WOULD, UH, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
COMMISSIONER KALO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STATE YOUR REASON? YEAH, I THINK AT A THOUSAND FEET.
I, I THINK IF IT'S LEGAL LCS OKAY.
I I CONCUR WITH THAT E EXACTLY.
[15. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0112 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to adopt the Hero Ranch Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of GC-3-C (General Commercial) on four (4) parcels of land approximately 14.5 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031758, R098017, R473771, and R098019; and generally located approximately 475 feet to the west of the intersection of Hero Way and Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard on the northside of Hero Way, Leander, Williamson County, Texas. ]
TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.ITEM 15, ZONING CASE C DASH 24
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DASH 0 1 1 2.TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM S FFR ONE B TO ADOPT THE HERO RANCH MINOR PUD WITH THE BASE ZONING OF GC THREE C PARCELS AND ACREAGE AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA.
GENERALLY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 475 FEET TO THE WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF HERO WAY AND RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERO WAY.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING DURING THE LAST MEETING ON APRIL 25TH, AND THEY VOTED, YOU GUYS VOTED TO POSTPONE THE ACTION TO ALLOW STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO UPDATE THEIR REQUESTS TO A A MINOR PUD FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSIONS THAT MEETING.
SO WE DID WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE UPDATED IT TO BE A MINOR PUD FOLLOWING, UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
IT INCLUDES UND DESIRED, IT PROHIBITS UNDESIRED USES ON PARCEL B.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND FLIP TO THAT ONE.
UM, PARCEL B LOCATED, UH, JASON TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES AND IT ALSO LIMITS THE BUILDING HEIGHT ON PARCEL B TO ONLY ONE STORY AND 35 FEET STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ENTER A DISCUSSION AND START.
COMMISSIONER KALAN, UH, NO COMMENTS.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, I MEAN THIS IS A GREAT, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE OF THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT AND YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION WORKING TOGETHER TO PUT TO GORE THE SOLUTION, PUT FORTH THE SOLUTION THAT I THINK WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THE AREA, UH, AROUND IT.
SO I APPLAUD EVERYBODY FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE.
I, I LIKE WHAT'S BEEN PUT IN HERE AND THE RESTRICTIONS WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SECTION A, SECTION B.
SO WITH THAT, NO OTHER COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT THE, WHAT THE VICE CHAIR SAID.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WAS GREAT WORK, SO I'M GOOD.
SO WE ALL MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE I SECOND.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MAY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
[16. Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0113 to amend the current zoning of TOD/PUD-CD (Transit Oriented Development/ Planned Unit Development – Conventional Development Sector) to adopt the Historic Bryson Farmstead PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on two (2) parcels of land approximately six (6) acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R032212 and R500771; and generally located northeast of the intersection of 183A Toll Road and East San Gabriel Parkway, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
ITEM NUMBER 16, ZONING CASE C DASH 24 DASH 0 103 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF TOD PUD CD CONVENTION OF CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT TO ADOPT THE HISTORIC BRYSON FARMSTEAD WITH THE BASE ZONING OF LC TWO A ACREAGE AND PARCELS AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 180 3 A TOLL ROAD AND EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY STAFF PRESENTATION.THE COMMISSION ALSO HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM DURING THE LAST MEETING OF APRIL 25TH AND VOTED TO POSTPONE ACTION TO REVIEW THE UPDATED PUT NOTES FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSION DURING THAT MEETING.
UM, THE NOTES HAVE BEEN REVISED TO UPDATE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, THE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE 9:00 AM TO 11:00 PM FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND NATIONAL HOLIDAYS AND 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM FROM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
THE NOTES ALSO NOW ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND ORIENTED TOWARDS 180 3 A IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND LIMITS OUTDOOR CONCERTS TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LABELED AS GREEN SPACE PLAZA.
AND WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE CONCEPT PLANS JUST TO SHOW YOU MORE OR LESS WHERE THAT WILL BE.
STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT IN THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND WE'RE GOING TO READ THE, UH, THE NEXT NAMES THAT WE READ WILL BE THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.
I'M GOING TO MESS THESE NAMES UP.
UH, THE PRONUNCIATION I REALLY, I, I JUST APOLOGIZE TO YOU.
UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THE WRITTEN UH, LIST WILL BE PLACED INTO THE RECORD SO IT WILL, IT WILL BE ACCURATE.
SO BEAR WITH ME AS WE READ THROUGH QUITE A FEW NAMES.
SO THESE ARE ALL AGAINST SAY KRISHNA, SIR MOULA KAIN, BORI HOR PETRA NA PATEL, SUMAN G**O, UH, SHEAN SHAW SSH PTI ROJA TI RA VAN REH SAXENA, UH, RIKA JEAN SHRI SHRIDHAR.
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UH, NAVIA HAM VI DEBI VA UH, UM, HICK, IF IF Y'ALL LAUGH TOO MUCH, I'LL MAKE Y'ALL READ.I TOLD YOU I COULDN'T PRONOUNCE IT.
UM, HICK K CURRY, UH, PVA MA THERAN ANON.
READY SHERE OR SHE, UH, MANASA AND TTA NAGA SIVA SALAAM RAJINDER SHANA GARRA NAJA RA BOR BORLA SOUTHWICK.
READY KAHA YAI MGA SUAN KURI HAI META YAI MGA VE CHILA POLL.
KARTIK PATEL VARUN ARI VILA KIRAN, UM, TJA ALI PRMA RAHA ZAPA HEMANCHU DMI KRISHNA DULA RAMA KRISHNA RO GUAM KRISHNA SHAAN PRATE ROHIT GUPTA PR MANHA VERA RIA SHIHA SHARMA.
AND NOW THE VICE CHAIR'S GONNA READ THE NEXT PAGE.
HAN SHEILA MANA NAISH PAAL ANANDA KUMAR HAGA SHU KUMAR GANESAN ARUN VLA ANIL KUMAR LINGA BIKA KUMAR RAG WITH ASAMI ARUN SJU HARSH GINI KRISHNAN ION NISHTA ROJA TANJA KABA SBA AL SUNIL TPO MAN K KUMAR KTI TOHAR NA I MEAN NA IBRAHIM JABBAR SHRUTI PJA ABHA AG.
SO KAIA MONIKA TARA TKI KALA SAMPA TJA RANA KASTI PRASAD ANI NHI CHANDRA SHASTRI NAMAR RAVI CHANDRA RAMA DEVRA SINGH SAVON PATEL.
RAHUL SALA ALI MAHARA MAHALA ULA SAN BODI AL DE I THINK HE JUST GOT A NEW JOB.
OKAY, UH, ALI ILLA SUNIL PATEL NIIT SHAW RAJU PJA TI HIR ALALA VAN SANS KUMAR VAN KA PATTI, UM, GAR MEA RAM BABU NAMA VANTA HIR MANI RAM KAMAL SHERI BAR CHANDRIKA PATEL RAJITA AL TI KRISHNA CINI ESH NA UH, PAD PAD.
UH, BARAT KALA
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YOU FINISH UP.ALRIGHT, SRA BAAM AJA P TI HARSHI GADI VIDIA CIGAR ALI SHIVA KUMAR RAIMI KUNAI ABHA, UH, VAGA SANJAY VEJA DRA MARTI GOHAN VAN VUI UL PARRA KAUR PAWAN SHRI MARU GOLA NIKKI RA APARNA ASHWIN RI SIR CHANDANA MU DU UH, CHANDRA GUN KNI OLA LAJA ALALA YOGANANDA KI YATI SAMPATH KUMAR KUNA PAI SOUTHWICK READY KOFA THANK YOU VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR HELP.
AND AGAIN, WE APOLOGIZE IF WE MESSED UP THESE BEAUTIFUL NAMES.
BUT, UH, FIRST READ, I SHOULD HAVE PRACTICED.
UM, OKAY, SO ALL OF THOSE WERE READ INTO THE RECORD AS AGAINST.
WE ALSO RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS WITH SOME OF THESE NAMES.
THOSE WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL GO INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
I HAVE, UH, SEVEN PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON.
AND THE FIRST ONE IS LAURA MARQUE, 7 24 MALLOW ROAD.
FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE TODAY.
I WATCHED THE DISCUSSION LAST WEEK AND WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION.
THE CITY NOISE ORDINANCE MEASURES MAXIMUM NOISE LEVELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT THE SOURCE.
THAT PROPERTY LINE IS JUST OVER 500 FEET FROM MY HOME AND MANY OTHERS.
FURTHER, IF THE DEVELOPER OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY DONATES PARKLAND ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY AND MY PROPERTY, AS THEY HAVE STATED, IS THEIR INTENTION, THEN THIS PROPERTY LINE OF THE CITY PROP, UH, PROPERTY COULD POTENTIALLY BE EXTENDED TO MY PROPERTY LINE.
WHILE I LOVE THE IDEA OF WALKING TO FARMER'S MARKETS ADDITIONAL PARKLAND AND RESTORING THE BRYSON HOMESTEAD, THIS PROPERTY SEEMS BETTER SUITED FOR OTHER USES, LIKE PERHAPS A PLAY FOR ALL ABILITIES, PLAYGROUND, LIKE IN ROUND ROCK, UM, RATHER THAN AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.
AND THE CHAMBER MAY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THEIR PLANS ON LAND THAT'S NOT SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENCES.
I APPRECIATED ALL THE VERBAL REASSURANCES PROVIDED BY THE CHAMBER IN THE P, P AND C LAST WEEK.
HOWEVER, YOUR DISCUSSION REGARDING A DIFFERENT CASE SEEMS TO APPLY HERE, SPECIFICALLY INTENDED VERSUS ALLOWED USES OF PROPERTIES.
THERE ARE NO SPECIFICATIONS IN THIS PUD REGARDING THE SIZE AND FREQUENCY OF EVENTS OR LIMITING THE TYPE OF MUSIC OF THESE EVENTS, DESPITE VERBAL PROMISES TO THAT EXTENT LAST WEEK.
THE PUD ALSO HAS NO REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ATTENDANT AT RENTAL EVENTS TO ASSURE NOISE COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS IS CONCERNING, GIVEN THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE RENTALS.
SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS FOR WHICH THE CHAMBER WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR AN UNLIMITED QUANTITY, EXTEND NOISE LIMITS, AND HOURS BEYOND THOSE COMMERCIAL LIMITS.
YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES WHO ARE CURRENTLY HAVING TO POTENTIALLY CLOSE OR RELOCATE OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATERS RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR MUSIC AND OTHER SIMILAR VENUES AFTER THEY BECOME A NOISE NUISANCE.
IF THE CITY INSISTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR THIS PROPERTY, WE ASK THAT THE P AND Z APPLY THEIR DETAILED ATTENTION TO THIS PUD REGARDING INTENDED VERSUS ALLOWED USES AND REQUIRE LIMITS FOR SIZE AND FREQUENCY MONITORING OF EVENTS AND ENSURE ADEQUATE SCREENINGS SO AS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THESE EVENTS ON SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
RESIDENTS DESERVE TRANSPARENCY IN WRITING ABOUT WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE ALLOWED AT THIS PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF INTENTION.
AND WE ASK THIS COMMISSION TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTS.
THIS WILL ENSURE THAT CURRENT AND FUTURE LEADERS OF THE CHAMBER ABIDE BY THOSE REASSURANCES PROVIDED AND IT FACILITATES A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NEIGHBORS.
UH, SANDEEP KUALA NINE 40 MALLOW ROAD, TTA, BARATH KUMAR REDDY, KAMALA
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NINE 12 MALLOW ROAD.THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY HERE.
THE IDEA OF AN EVENT CENTER, CLOSE TO RESIDENCE PLACE.
I DON'T THINK THAT DOESN'T MOVE WELL.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND LEANER AND TEXAS IS GROWING SO HUGE, UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, WHEN WE ADDING ONLY THE BUSINESS EVENTS VERY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO FIRST THING, UM, THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS, UH, WE SEE THE OUTDOOR EVENTS ARE ALLOWED UNTIL 11:00 PM ON SOME DAYS ON THE NATIONAL HOLIDAYS AND ALSO ON REGULAR DAYS, IT IS AT 9:00 PM SO I BELIEVE MOST OF US KNOW THAT, UM, EARLY UNDER A SD PRIMARY SCHOOLS STARTS AT 7:20 AM SO I THINK ALL THE KIDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVE, SAY, SOUND, SLEEP, AND SO THAT THEY CAN GET READY AND GO TO THE SCHOOL TO NEXT DAY.
AND NOT ONLY THE, UM, I MEAN NOT KIDS AND IN GENERAL, WE THINK THAT DUE TO THIS NOISE, IT MIGHT IMPACT THE ADULTS.
UM, THEIR, UH, GENERAL LIFE BALANCE AND THE SLEEP BALANCE AND WITH THIS EVENT CENTER COMING TO THAT.
SO WE THINK THAT THERE ARE LIKE MANY PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT, UM, WAYS OF LIFE COMING THERE.
AND IT HAS TWO CLOSE ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, IN THIS CASE ALL THE BRYSON VRA COMMUNITY OF 1100 HOMES AND ALSO SOME OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX SURROUNDING THAT.
SO I, UM, SO MY GRAVE CONCERN IS LIKE THE FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY MOST OF THE FAMILIES WHICH ARE MOVED INTO BRYON AND NEIGHBORHOODS OR VERY IN, AND THE KIDS ARE STILL IN THEIR, LIKE MOST OF THE KIDS LIKE UNDER 10 AND THEIR INFORMATIVE YEARS, RIGHT? SO I WOULD REQUEST THIS COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND ALSO WE NEED MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THE DOCUMENTATION AND WHAT KIND OF EVENTS WILL BE ALLOWED, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A LOUD MUSIC EVENT BE ALLOWED, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ACL.
SO THAT WOULD PUT OUR, UM, BASICALLY JUST PUTTING THE MUSIC DIRECTLY INTO THE HOUSES AND CENTRAL AREA.
AND, UH, SAYING THAT I, WE ARE, UM, I MEAN I READ LEANER HISTORY, THANKS FOR THE, SOME OF THE GREAT BOOKS, UH, WHICH ARE AVAILABLE IN THE LEANDER LIBRARY.
AND YES, THAT AREA AND WE NEED TO HONOR BRYSON.
AND AT SAME TIME, IF WE CAN EXCLUDE THE EVENT CENTER AND THE INTENDED USAGE UNTIL 11:00 PM AND ALSO EVEN THE 9:00 PM IN THE WEEKDAYS, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, AND SAYING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO VOTE AGAINST THAT.
UM, THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR MAKING THIS PUBLIC PROCESS.
WE APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO, TO CHIME IN ON IT.
UM, THE, UH, I ESPECIALLY WANNA THANK, UH, SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS' COMMENTS LAST WEEK ABOUT, OR SORRY, LAST MEETING ABOUT INTENDED VERSUS ALLOWED USES WHEN Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
UM, I THINK MS. BRAND FROM THE CHAMBER DID A GREAT, UH, STRAWMAN ARGUMENT THROWN OUT THE HOTSPOT EXAMPLE, THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE TYPE OF NOISE CONCERNS WE HAD.
UM, BUT WE WERE REFERRING TO PROPERTIES MORE LIKE THE BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER.
BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER IS A PUBLIC OWNED, UH, PARK WITH A MUSIC AREA, YOU KNOW, IN IT.
AND IT HAS LOUD FOR OUTDOOR CONCERTS, JUST LIKE THE CHAMBERS EVENT WOULD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN SEPTEMBER, 2020, THEY HAD, UH, MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS, UH, FROM OUTDOOR CONCERTS THERE AS FAR AWAY AS, UH, FOUR MILES.
UM, AND THAT WAS WITH THE VENUE, UH, ENFORCING 70 TO 80 DECIMALS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UH, THE, THE SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS WOULD GO EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THEY, THEY TRIED TO WORK ON THOSE ISSUES.
IT ENDED UP RESULTING, IT HAPPENED AGAIN.
THEY CONTINUED HAVING PROBLEMS IN JANUARY, THEY CLOSED IT THE NEXT JANUARY, UH, REMAIN CLOSED UNTIL OCTOBER, THAT LATER YEAR.
UM, THEY WERE STILL GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM AS FAR AS 15 MILES AWAY, AND THEY DID A SOUND STUDY.
AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THESE NEWS ARTICLES HERE FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO CONSIDER.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT MS. BRENT AND THE CHAMBER HAS INTENTIONS OF DOING ANYTHING THESE THINGS, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S TRICKY TO GET THE RULES RIGHT, TO GET
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THE ALLOWED SPELLED OUT IN WRITING, RIGHT? UM, I'M SUGGESTING THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PLANS, UH, AS A RESULT.UH, I ALSO DON'T THINK THE, THE LEADERS IN IN HUTTO HAD INTENTIONS OF THESE THINGS CAUSING PROBLEMS EITHER, RIGHT? BUT IT'S HARD TO GET THIS RIGHT.
UM, WE'RE ASKING THE, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE THE RESIDENTIAL 65 TO 55 DECIMAL NOISE LIMITS, UM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE MEASURED AT THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINE, NOT ANY ANNEX PROPERTY LINES THAT WOULD MOVE 'EM CLOSER.
UH, AND THIRD LIMIT SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS TO TWICE A YEAR.
UH, THOSE PRETTY MUCH REMOVE A LOT OF THE RESTRICTIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO AS LATE AS MIDNIGHT OR ONE, I THINK, AND GO AS LOUD AS 85 DECIMALS.
SO IF THERE'S NO LIMITS ON THOSE, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN I THINK WHAT THE CHAMBER INTENDS TO DO, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THEY INTEND TO HAVE BIG, LOUD, UH, YOU KNOW, ACL STYLE EVENTS.
BUT AGAIN, LEADERSHIP CHANGES, OWNERSHIP CAN CHANGE AND WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT NOW OR NOT ON THE ALLOWED VERSUS THE INTENDED.
SO, UM, I, I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LEAD TO TYPES OF ONGOING THINGS.
AND THE STUDY, ONE OF THE MAIN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BRUSHY CREEK WAS THAT THEY RELOCATE IT, RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS TO WASTE THAT KIND OF TAXPAYER DOLLAR AND TIME, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE WRONG PLACE.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS WE HAD TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THIS THING'S A GOOD FIT FOR EVERYBODY.
WE'VE GOT ONE MORE, UH, SIGNED UP.
THAT IS ALL WE HAVE, UH, THAT SUBMITTED, UH, REQUEST TO SPEAK.
SO WE'LL ENTER INTO DISCUSSION AND I'LL START DOWN HERE WITH COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
PARDON? YEAH, I WAS, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CHAMBER'S, YOU KNOW, DESIRE AND NEED TO HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT.
I AGREE WITH A NEED TO HAVE OUTDOOR CONCERT AMPLIFIED SOUND.
AND SO I THINK THAT THERE IS KIND OF A, A, A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT WE COULD GET TO AND ALLOW AMPLIFIED SOUND FOR EVENTS THAT AREN'T CONCERT TYPE EVENTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK SHE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION AND, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS, WELL, IF WE CAN'T HAVE APPLE FIGHT SOUND, IT DOESN'T MEET OUR NEEDS 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.
RIGHT? AND, AND, AND I, AND I GET THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE GALA AND, AND ALL THOSE OTHER SORTS OF EVENTS.
UM, SO FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE, I MEAN, I I DO WORRY ABOUT SOUND NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING TO BRING IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I JUST HATE TO LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE USE SOME OF MY COMMENTS UP HERE,
UM, BUT, BUT THEY'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
ONCE WE, ONCE WE ALLOW THIS, ONCE THAT LAND IS NO LONGER OWNED OR, OR SOLD OFF DOUBT, IT WILL BE, BUT ONCE, ONCE IT DOES, THEN THAT THOSE SAME ALLOWANCES ARE STILL THERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW I APPROACH THIS AND THINK MORE LONG TERM THAN JUST THE SHORT TERM INTENDED USES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? YEAH, I, I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH, UM, CALLING IT AT THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, LET ME BE CLEAR, 85 DECIBELS IS AN ACOUSTIC GUITAR AT ONE FOOT.
AND, AND WHEN YOU ORIENT THIS TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY AND YOU SET IT ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, AND BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER WAS A DISASTER IN DESIGN, A DISASTER IN DESIGN BECAUSE THAT FACE IS RESIDENTIAL.
WHO IN THEIR BRIGHT MIND SAID, LET'S CREATE AN AMPHITHEATER AND HAVE CONCERTS AND SHOOT THE SOUND WHERE OUR RESIDENTS LIVE.
RIGHT? THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH, WITH, WITH LIMITING SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
UM, BUT THE COUNSEL CAN ALSO SAY, NO, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY.
IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC, AND, AND I HAVE ENOUGH, I GUESS I'M OLD ENOUGH AND NAIVE ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH TRUST IN, IN ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT IF PEOPLE ARE COMING EVERY FIVE MINUTES TO TRY AND SKIRT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, THAT THEY WOULD PUT A STOP TO THAT.
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UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.UM, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE, IT IS GOING TO BE A HINDRANCE OF A, OF A, A A A ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN, IN MUSIC.
I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING LIVE SOUND, UM, BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE PUT HERE.
UH, I'M JUST, UH, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN.
I, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VALID AT THIS POINT.
COMMISSIONER MAY I DO A LOT OF VOLUNTEERING WITH THE CITY.
I, I WORK WITH THE, UH, LEANERS CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, BIG LONG WORD THERE,
UM, WE DO THE PARKING FOR ALL THESE SPECIAL EVENTS.
THE, UH, BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL THAT WE HAVE EVERY YEAR WHERE WE PARK 'EM BY THE LIBRARY.
UH, WE PARK APPROXIMATELY, I THINK IT'S A HUNDRED, NO, THERE, THERE'S 300 SPACES WHEN THEY'RE DRAWN OUT, UH, FOR EACH NIGHT, WHICH THIS IS LIMITED TO 74 PARKING SPACES.
UM, EVEN IF YOU PUT FOUR PEOPLE IN EVERY CAR AND IT'S PARKING EVENTS, I GO TO, IT'S TYPICALLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN THE CAR.
YOU GET A FEW FAMILIES WHERE THERE'S FOUR, THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE IN A CAR THAT'S ONLY, THAT'S 600 PEOPLE.
AND LOOKING AT THE SIZE, I WOULD, THE, THE, IT'S THE, IF YOU WILL, SUPER CONCERTS.
AND I DON'T CONSIDER THE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL SUPER CONCERT, UM, TO BE WORTHWHILE.
THEY, THE CHAMBER DOES THE CONCERTS AT, IS THE MASON HOMESTEAD.
WE ALSO DO A FEW JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE OF CITY HALL, WHICH I ALSO HELP WITH PARKING THERE,
UM, I'VE BEEN OUT TO THE BRYSON FARMSTEAD, AND I DON'T SEE THAT BEING ANYTHING NEAR CONDUCIVE TO THESE BIG CONCERTS.
UM, WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR WAS MORE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOUDSPEAKER FOR AN ANNOUNCER AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION, THE, THE AMPLIFIED SOUND.
UM, THEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A FEW SMALL LIVE MUSIC THINGS, BUT I DON'T CONS, I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE THE, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, WE DID CHANGE, UH, SOME OF THE ORDINANCES A FEW YEARS AGO ON PLANNING AND ZONING SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK.
AND WE ARE HEARING YOU, AND THIS DOES WEIGH ON OUR MINDS AS TO THE INTENDED VERSUS ALLOWABLE USES.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE THEY COULD WRITE INTO THIS ORDINANCE TO ASSURE THE HOMEOWNERS THAT THE BIG, LOUD CONCERTS AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT, UM, THAT THIS, THIS IS A CONCERN AND THAT YOU DONE.
OKAY, I'M GONNA GO NEXT AND THEN I'LL GO ON DOWN THE LINE.
BUT I, I GUESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS WHEN IT CAME TO US A FEW WEEKS AGO WAS NOT SO MUCH WHAT THE CHAMBER WAS GOING TO DO THERE, WHAT THEY MIGHT HOST, THE EVENTS THEY MIGHT HOST.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HOSTING BIG CONCERTS OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WAS THE RENTALS WHERE THEY RENTED OUT FOR A WEDDING.
AND WHILE I WAS ASSURED THAT THERE WOULD BE A STAFF PERSON THERE AND A POLICE OFFICER WOULD REQUIRE BE REQUIRED TO BE THERE, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE EVENTS THAT COULD GET A LITTLE OUTTA HAND, A LITTLE ROWDY, ESPECIALLY, UH, AS THE GENTLEMAN STATED ON A SCHOOL NIGHT, ON A SUNDAY NIGHT THAT IS KINDA LATE ON A SUNDAY NIGHT.
UM, I'M, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RENTALS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHAMBER CAN MAKE THIS WORK WITHOUT THOSE RENTALS TO OUTSIDE PEOPLE AND JUST KEEP IT AT THEIR OWN EVENTS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE IS JUST THE CHAMBER EVENTS AND NOT THE RENTALS.
DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? I'M GONNA GO OFF WHAT SHE SAID LAST TIME.
UM, BUT TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERN ABOUT SCHOOL NIGHTS, SUNDAYS DID HAVE LIMITED HOURS OTHER THAN FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
SO I BELIEVE THEY'RE, UM, DID WE CHANGE THE SUNDAY NIGHT TOO? YEAH.
SUNDAY NIGHT WAS NOT INCLUDED FOR LATER HOURS.
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UNTIL 9:00 PM IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE ALL THE WAY TO 11 LIKE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE RENTALS, I KNOW SHE EXPLAINED THAT THEY WERE NEEDING THE RENTALS TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE LIKE THE NEXT BUILDING.
SO IT WAS KIND OF A REVENUE PRODUCING TYPE OF EVENT THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO THE FINAL PRODUCT SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE IT INDOORS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT IS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE, UM, WHILE, WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A, AN OFFICER ON, ON DUTY, I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE NOISE FROM PRIVATE PARTIES AND PRIVATE RENTALS.
SO THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN, BUT I'LL GO ON DOWN THE LINE HERE.
UM, WELL, MY CONCERN, UM, IS THE SAME IF YOU'RE GETTING IT, DOING THOSE EVENTS, UH, THE PROPERTY EVENTS FOR REVENUE IN MY BUSINESS MIND, YOU ARE GONNA BE DOING A LOT OF EVENTS 'CAUSE YOU WANT TO GET TO THAT LAST PHASE.
UM, I AM ABSOLUTELY FOR THE RESIDENT BECAUSE EVEN SMALL CONCERTS CAN BE LOUD.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE GROUP THAT'S GONNA BE THERE, IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S THE NOISE LEVEL THAT'S ALLOWED THAT EVEN IF IT'S 10 PEOPLE THERE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT AT HOWEVER MANY DECIMALS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA SHOOT FOR.
SO I AM ALL FOR THE RESIDENTS ON THIS ONE AND I'M, I'M, I CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS.
SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
YEAH, A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS SO FAR.
I THINK, UM, THERE'S, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION HERE BECAUSE FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS NOT A MUSIC VENUE.
THIS IS NOT AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.
YOU REQUIRE GC TYPE FOUR OR TYPE FIVE COMPONENT TO MAKE THIS AN ENTERTAINMENT OR A MUSIC VENUE.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SITE WHERE THE PRIMARY USE IS TO HOUSE THE OFFICES OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THE, THE ADDED LC IS A REQUESTING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL EVENT, UH, CENTER ON SITE, WHICH IS AN ENCLOSED BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE HAVING AN AMPLIFIED SOUND COMPONENT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO PRESENTATIONS OR DO REWARDS OR EVEN PLAY MUSIC, SAY AT LIKE A WEDDING, RIGHT? FOR A WEDDING EVENT.
BUT THIS IS NOT AN EVENT CENTER, THIS IS NOT A CONVENTION CENTER.
IT'S NOT A MUSIC, YOU KNOW, FESTIVAL TYPE PLACE.
AND AS WAS NOTED BY COMMISSIONER MAY, IT'S ONLY 74 PARKING SPACES TOO.
IF YOU COME TO OLD TOWN LEANDER FESTIVAL, WE'VE GOT A STAGE JUST BEHIND THIS BUILDING HERE WHERE WE HAVE LARGE SCALE FULL CONCERTS WITH BANDS, AMPLIFIED EVERYTHING THAT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE NEAREST HOUSE HERE.
AND IN THE 10 YEARS THEY'VE BEEN HOSTING THAT, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ONE SOUND COMPLAINT.
THERE MAY BE ONE PARKING COMPLAINT THAT I DO KNOW OF, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY SOUND COMPLAINTS.
UM, AND SO JUST WANT TO CALL THAT OUT BECAUSE I DO THINK, GIVEN THE REQUIREMENTS, THE SOUND ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE THE BUFFER, THE TREES ALSO KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK, WE AS WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE FUTURE AND WE TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES.
I MEAN, YOU GET TO REALIZE THIS IS ALSO GONNA BE SURROUNDED BY GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A MULTI-USE CORRIDOR ACTIVITY CENTER AREA THAT'S GONNA HAVE GC MOST LIKELY ATTACHED TO IT AND SURROUNDING IT.
UM, WE EVEN HAD A CASE JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT THAT CAME OFF.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE REACHING OUT TO YOUR COMMUNITY AT SOME POINT.
AND I ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA WANNA PUT A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL AROUND HERE, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT ALONG THE 180 3 A CORRIDOR WHERE COMMERCIAL IS TYPICALLY BEST SUITED FOR.
UM, AND SO, I MEAN, I LIVE ALONG RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD.
I HEAR THE TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY.
UM, I ALSO CHOSE TO BE IN AN AREA WHERE I'M NOT BACKING UP TO A LOT THAT'S EMPTY, THAT IS POTENTIALLY ZONED FOR SOMETHING THAT I, YOU KNOW, EITHER DIDN'T APPROVE OF OR DIDN'T ALLOW.
BUT THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, DO WE LIKE THAT? NOT NECESSARILY, BUT WE'RE, WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE WORK WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE ENGAGE WITH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE HAVE LCS ZONING IN THE FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE WHATEVER GOES IN THERE, UM, IS CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OR COMPLIMENTARY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO JUST WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT WHAT THE CHAMBER'S DOING HERE AND WHAT THE CITY IS DOING HERE IS THE RIGHT THING.
THEY'RE PUTTING IN BASICALLY PARK SPACES, GREEN SPACES, TRAILS, WILDFLOWER CENTERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO ENHANCE THE VALUE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR COMMUNITY AND AROUND THAT.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE A PLACE THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, I'M A LITTLE JEALOUS OF BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING RIGHT BY THERE TO WALK THESE TRAILS AND ENJOY THIS PROPERTY.
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE NEAR IT.
UM, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING IT AS LIKE A WEDDING VENUE IS, IS A REVENUE GENERATOR BECAUSE THIS, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ACTUALLY A NONPROFIT.
THEY GET MOST, THEY GET THEIR MONEY FROM DONATIONS AND THROUGH AND THROUGH THE MEMBERSHIPS OF THE CHAMBER.
UM, AND SO THEIR, THEIR INTENT IS NOT TO HOST CONCERTS
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AND HAVE A LOT OF LOUD MUSIC.THEY JUST REALIZE BEING SO CLOSE TO 180 3 A, THAT THEY'RE THE NEED, THE NEED FOR HAVING SOME SORT OF AMPLIFIED SOUND WHEN THEY'RE DOING PRESENTATIONS OR AWARD CEREMONIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT ARE NEEDED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I, I DO THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE.
THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA FOR THIS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PIECE OF IT, I DON'T SEE THIS CHANGING HANDS DOWN THE ROAD.
I DON'T SEE THE CITY OF LEANDER WANTING TO GIVE THIS UP.
THERE IS A HISTORICAL ELEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY WITH BUILDINGS THAT ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO PRESERVE.
AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT, AND THEY, WE ALLOW THIS TO FALL ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S HANDS, THEY COULD JUST TEAR THOSE THINGS DOWN IF WE DON'T PROTECT THEM.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO HERE.
AND I, AND I APPLAUD WHAT THE CHAMBER'S TRYING TO DO HERE AS WELL.
AND I THINK IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO GO IN AROUND IT, WHICH IS GONNA BE COMING UP PROBABLY IN JUNE, UM, YOU'LL WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ACTIVITY CENTER.
THAT'S GONNA BE MORE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO PUT GENERAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY WHAT WOULD GO THERE.
UM, OR SOME SORT OF PUD WITH GCLC COMBINATION.
AND, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE SAW LAST TIME, THEY WERE TRYING TO CONNECT TO PARKS AND, AND BRYSON AND SO FORTH.
SO THEY PULLED THAT OFF AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO ENGAGE WITH Y'ALL.
SO I THINK THAT'S YOUR BIGGER CONCERN THERE.
WHAT'S GOING HERE I THINK IS, IS GOOD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
COMMISSIONER KLUM, I'M, UH, I'M MORE TORN ON THIS THAN I WAS BEFORE.
UM, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE IS CORRECT ABOUT THE WAY, UH, THE SOUND IS PROBABLY GOING TO CARRY, I THINK AT NIGHT.
UH, PARTICULARLY IF YOU, IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU HAVE THE TV ON, YOU WON'T EVEN HEAR ANYTHING.
I ALSO KNOW THAT THAT WEIRD THINGS CAN HAPPEN WITH SOUND BASED ON ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS, CLOUDS, WIND DIRECTION.
UM, AND IT OCCURRED, IT OCCURRED TO ME IN OUR PREVIOUS CASE ABOUT, UH, THE VAPE SHOPS ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT BEING A THOUSAND OR 2000 SQUARE FEET AWAY, MY HOME IS, IS MORE THAN 2000, UH, 2000 FEET AWAY FROM, UH, ROUSE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THERE ARE DAYS I CAN HEAR THE BAND PRACTICING, UH, BASED ON WIND DIRECTION AND WHATNOT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT TOO ANNOYING.
UM, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD PLAYERS, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT ANOTHER ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS I HAD, UH, THAT COMMISSIONER OLIVER TOUCHED ON, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A FUNDRAISING VEHICLE FOR THE CHAMBER.
AND ON THE ONE HAND, THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE CHAMBER.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT CONCERNS ME.
UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBER HAS TO RAISE FUNDS FOR ITS EXISTENCE TO PAY, ITS PAY THE PEOPLE'S SALARIES, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE ENTICEMENT, UH, THE INCENTIVE FOR THE, FOR THE CHAMBER TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO RAISE MONEY EXISTS, UH, THERE, UM, THEY MAY NOT INTEND TODAY TO, TO HAVE MULTIPLE CONCERTS THERE, UH, OR MANY CONCERTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UH, MIKE, BUT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PRESUME ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
UM, I THINK THAT, THAT THERE NEED TO BE RULES BUILT INTO THIS.
UM, I I THINK THE, THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT RAISED SOME VALID CONCERNS, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SIZE AND FREQUENCY.
I KNOW NOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT 74 SPACES.
QUESTION FOR THE CITY, THERE WAS SPILLOVER, UH, PARKING ON CRUSHED GRANITE.
IS THAT THE CASE IN THIS VENUE? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A INTENT OF DOING SPILLOVER PARKING OTHER THAN, UM, LIKE ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
BUT IT WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT THROUGH THEM.
I DUNNO WHETHER I'M CONFLATING SOMETHING I READ IN, IN A DIFFERENT CASE, BUT, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS, UH, SOME DECOMPOSED GRANITE SPILLOVER PARKING AS PART OF THIS CASE.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THERE, YEAH, SO THE, THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE CHAMBER THAT THERE WAS AN OPTION TO HAVE, UH, CRUSH GRANITE IF THEY NEEDED TO HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE PAVED PARKING TO MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF AREA FOR THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE SPILLOVER? IT'S NOT CLARIFIED.
SO 74 IS THE, ALMOST A MINIMUM IN A WAY WE COULD HAVE THAT PLUS WHATEVER ADDITIONAL.
IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T THINK 74 IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED.
I'M, I'M SAYING WE'VE GOT 74 PAVED SPACES, LIKE THEY'RE PROVIDING A MINIMUM OF 74.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA MAX OUT THE, THE PLACE 74 ISN'T THE MAX.
I MEAN, WE, WE COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE MORE PARKING.
WELL THIS IS, UM, A, A ROUGH ESTIMATE.
AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN IS PART OF THE PRESERVATION PLAN, AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT
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PARKING ON THE ENTIRE SITE.WE HAVE TO PRESERVE THAT BACK PART WITH ALL THE TRAILS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY LIMITED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE BACK AREA? I DO, YEAH.
I JUST, I MEAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW LIKE EXACTLY HOW MANY OR AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY ADDITIONAL VEHICLES WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THAT SPILLOVER PARKING IF I, IF I MAY PLEASE.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THAT BECOMES ALL GC, THERE'LL BE, I DON'T KNOW, A THOUSAND PARKING SPACES THAT THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE.
THAT, THAT, THAT, SO I MEAN, THAT'S ALL GONNA DEVELOP, THAT'S NOT GONNA STAY GREEN.
AND, AND THERE'LL BE HOWEVER MANY HUNDREDS OF, OF PARKING SPACES YOU'RE TALKING, TALKING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
I'M, MY POINT IS JUST THAT, THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL EVENT.
UH, AND THE, AND AND THE FREQUENCY OF THEM, IF THEY TURNED OUT TO BE BIG MONEY MAKERS FOR THE CHAMBER, GOOD FUNDRAISERS FOR THE, FOR THE CHAMBER.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE OTHER NOTES HERE.
UM, OH, THE DIFFERENCE ON THE BLUEGRASS.
WE TALKED, WE MENTIONED THE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL A COUPLE OF TIMES TONIGHT.
TO ME, THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS A LOT OF THAT IS DIFFERENCE IS FREQUENCY.
UH, WE KNOW WHEN THE BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE ONCE A YEAR.
UM, I, I THINK MS. MARQUEZ'S SUGGESTION ABOUT LIMITING THE SIZE AND PARTICULARLY THE FREQUENCY, UM, IF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN EXTEND, UH, THE LIMITS OF BOTH THE, THE SOUND AND, AND, UH, AND THE SIZE OF THE EVENT AND THE FRE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEAR.
MAY I, I, TWICE A YEAR SEEMS VERY LIMITED.
I I MAYBE ONCE A QUARTER, TWO TIMES A QUARTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT I I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MOSS THAT THAT, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SOME LEGIT CONCERNS HERE.
AND ULTIMATELY, IF NOTHING ELSE, UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER COSGROVE AND I, AND MAYBE A COUPLE OTHER APPEAR HAVE BEEN MUSICIANS AND HAVE PLAYED MUSIC AND DONE LIVE SOUND.
UM, BUT CONSULTING, UH, A A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER OF SOME SORT THAT CAN GIVE A MUCH FIRMER ESTIMATE OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL FOR SOUND CARRYING AND WHATNOT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I GUESS MY LAST COMMENT IS WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOURS 8:00 AM TO 9:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY FOR OUTDOOR EVENTS, HOURS OF OPERATION FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT HAS, AND YOU KNOW, NINE, NINE O'CLOCK NEAR, NEAR A RESIDENTIAL FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ON SCHOOL NIGHTS.
I JUST THINK THAT'S A LITTLE LATE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE AT 8:00 PM MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE, BUT, UH, DID THEY DO THAT ATILL PARK TODAY PAST NINE O'CLOCK? RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL? I STILL DON'T MAKE IT.
WELL, I MEAN, WE, WE, I, NO RIGHT OR WRONG, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, ON HOLIDAYS AND, AND OTHER DAY, I MEAN WE, WE, WE HOST LIBERTY FEST AT DIVINE LINK PARK.
I MEAN, THE ROUND ROCK, THE DELL DIAMOND IS RIGHT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD IN, IN ROUND ROCK.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, THOSE ARE PRODUCING LOTS OF SOUND, LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, NOISE LIGHTS, BUT NOT ON THE, NOT WITH THE FREQUENCY THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH NO, NO, NO.
YOU, YOU RENTALS, HOW MANY BASEBALL GAMES ARE THERE A YEAR? HOW MANY CONCERTS DO THEY HOST AT THE LL DIAMOND EVERY YEAR? 82.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS ON MINOR LAKE, BUT NONETHELESS, THERE'S A LOT OF FREQUENCY IS MY POINT.
COMMISSIONER MOSS, I, I'LL LIVED OVER, UH, RIGHT BY THE ROUND, UH, THE ROUND, THE DALE DIAMOND, UH, RIGHT BEFORE THEY BUILT, AND NOW THEY GOT A BIG PARK THERE OVER THERE, AND I LIVED OVER THERE AND YES, THE NOISE WAS CRAZY.
ALL THOSE GAMES, THE NOISE WAS CRAZY.
AND WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, BUT THE NOISE WAS CRAZY.
I KNOW RIGHT OFF OF KENNY, UH, FORT KENNY ROAD.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA, THEY REALLY DON'T GET IT.
AND BUT WHEN YOU LIVE THERE, NO, THEY DON'T HAVE THE INTENTIONS OF IT TO BE THAT WAY.
OF COURSE, NOBODY HAVE THOSE INTENTIONS.
BUT FOR ME, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10 WHEN I'M IN THOSE AREAS, IT HAPPENS.
THEY DON'T DO IT INTENTIONALLY, BUT IT HAPPENS.
SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M JUST ALL FOR THE RESIDENTS ON THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION.
UM, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT THEY DEMOLISHED
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THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BECOME GC THREE, I'M ASSUMING, OR GEN GENERAL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.IT WOULD BE A COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT IN RIGHT.
SO AT THAT POINT, AND NO, WE CAN'T DEMOLISH IT 'CAUSE WE HAVE AN EASEMENT AND THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSIONS INVOLVED.
SO IT'D BE AN ACT OF GOD DEMOLISH IT.
BUT WELL, BUT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AROUND THAT ARE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN BE.
DID, THAT'S THE INTENT BY THE ACTIVITY CENTER THOUGH YES.
THE PENDING ZONING CASE THAT WAS DELAYED DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
IT'S COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT AND RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK.
BUT THERE, THERE, THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT.
AND BASED ON GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UM, WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN UP A NIGHTCLUB OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE THAT WOULD HAVE A HIGHER AMOUNT OF SOUND AS COMPARED TO WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR HERE AT THE BRYSON FARMSTEAD? IT WOULDN'T BE AN OUTDOOR NIGHTCLUB UNLESS THEY HAD THE TYPE FOUR OR FIVE SITE COMPONENT.
BUT THE, THE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO LOOK WHAT'S GONNA BE AROUND IT.
AND ARE, ARE WE BEING OVERLY RESTRICTIVE FOR AN HISTORICAL COMMISSIONED LANDMARK THAT'S GOING TO BE USED BY THE CITY FOR LIMITED PURPOSE? WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BALANCE THERE.
I GUESS THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE.
MR. MAY HAND, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH.
SO I, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PASSION AROUND THIS AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT FOR THE SITE, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT WHAT ROUND ROCK DID WITH DALE DIAMOND HAS, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY IN THE CITY IS NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON IS WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT FOR THIS SITE, FOR THIS SPECIFIC CASE.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GUYS FEEL THAT IT'S RIGHT, THAT'S GREAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT VALUE, BUT IT DOESN'T HOLD ANY WEIGHT WHEN WE START BRINGING IN OTHER EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT HAVE NO, THAT DOESN'T PERTAIN AT ALL TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE? IF FINAL THOUGHT? UM, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT COMMISSIONER MAHAN JUST SAID, AND I, I JUST WANNA OBSERVE THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE, I DON'T WANNA PRESUME THAT ANYBODY HERE IS GONNA OBJECT TO ANY OF THE GC STUFF THAT MIGHT HAPPEN NEARBY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OUTDOOR SOUND ISSUE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY EVERYONE IS HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, NOT, NOT FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL LIGHTS THAT MAYBE THEY WILL OBJECT TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AND AND I, AS A THOUGHT EXERCISE BEFORE WE CAME UP HERE TONIGHT, I ASKED MYSELF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF THIS WEREN'T THE CHAMBER, IF THIS WERE SOME OTHER TYPE OF A BUSINESS, WOULD WE ALLOW AN OUTDOOR STAGE THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UH, AND THAT'S QUESTION ISN'T FOREST COMMISSIONER HAN'S POINT? BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT INFORMED MY VIEW ON THIS.
I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU.
UM, AND THEN I THINK WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE.
UM, SO THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY.
THE, WILL THE CHAMBER BE OPERATING THE SITE? THEY WILL HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE SITE.
BUT THE CITY STILL RETAINS THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE WHAT GOES ON ON THE SITE.
SO IF THE CITY GETS COMPLAINTS, SO IF WE PASS THIS OR SOME MODIFIED VERSION OF THIS AND THE CITY, CITY CAN COME BACK TO AMEND THAT P IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH NOISE OR YEP.
YOU'RE STILL, THE CITY OWNS IT.
AND, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REZONE IT TO STOP SOMETHING AS THE OWNER.
SO IF THE CHAMBER'S NOT COMPLYING OR WE'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS, WE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THEM STOP.
THERE, THERE, THERE STILL IS A SOUND ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT HAS TO BE ADHERED TO.
AND THERE ARE STILL, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY, BY THE CITY.
SO THERE ARE OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS PROTECTED FROM ANY POTENTIAL NOISE THAT COULD, COULD ROLL OVER INTO THEIR COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE REALITY IS THE GC COMPONENT THAT COULD GO IN THERE AND COULD GET APPROVED, I THINK IS A, IS A BIGGER RISK FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH SOUND AND NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA.
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S SO CLOSE.
THAT'S WHY WHATEVER DOES GO IN THERE, WE NEED TO BE VERY DILIGENT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
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MAKE A MOTION ON THIS OR? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.AND THAT IS AS IS WITH NO CHANGES.
MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR TO APPROVE IT AS WRITTEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? TWO, THREE VOTES.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? IT FAILS FOUR TO THREE.
SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH SOME OF THE, UM, WELL, RESTRICTIONS.
SO WE, IT, IT'S ONE OF, ONE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS, SO IF SOMEONE MAY WANTED TO MAKE A, ANOTHER MOTION THAT MODIFIED, UH, THIS, SO WE APPROVE IT WITH THESE CHANGES, I THINK THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
OTHERWISE IT JUST FAILED AND GOES TO COUNSEL.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
IT CAN JUST PROCEED TO COUNSEL THIS WAY, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO, DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION OR DO WE WANNA LET IT GO TO COUNCIL? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH PROVISION THAT THERE IS A, UH, FREQUENCY LIMIT OF, UH, MAIN STAGE CONCERTS ONCE PER QUARTER.
DO I HEAR A SECOND TO THAT? YEAH.
THERE'S, IT FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SEND IT TO COUNCIL AND LET THEM, LET THEM DEBATE IT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE AS IS.
I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE.
SO IT, IT, IT FAILS AT THE P AND Z LEVEL AND UM, IS NOT APPROVED AND IT WILL GO ON TO COUNCIL AND THEY CAN OVERRIDE OUR DECISION.
SO YOUR INPUT WILL BE IMPORTANT, UM, AT THAT MEETING AS WELL? VERY.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR THEIR INPUT.
THE TIME IS NOW 7 27 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.