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[1. Call to Order.]
NOW 6:00 PM AND THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF LANDER IS NOW CALL TO ORDER.LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHAIRWOMAN LAND TRIPP.
[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the June 6, 2024 meeting.]
ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, AND THAT IS THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL DURING THEIR JUNE 6TH MEETING.
UM, THE COUNCIL DID REVIEW SEVERAL CASES THAT WERE FORWARDED TO THEM BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE NIGHT OWL FOOD TRUCK PARK.
THEY ALSO COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE HERO RANCH MINOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THEY CONDUCTED SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE PEC PUD.
UM, THIS IS THE, THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO GC TWO C, AND ULTIMATELY THEY'RE DISSOLVING THE, THE PUD.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT PROPERTY, AND THE COUNSEL ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
UM, THEY REVIEWED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THE LASD PORTABLES ON THE A CC CAMPUS.
UM, THEY DID APPROVE THAT REQUEST, BUT THEY HAD A CONDITION THAT STAFF CONFIRMED WITH THE, UM, NORTHLINE DEVELOPER THAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE FENCING REQUIREMENT.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT UPDATE IN TIME FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THEN, UM, THEY HEARD THE TWO ORDINANCE CASES.
SO THE, THE FIRST ONE WAS THE CHANGE TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF APPLICATIONS AND, UM, THE ORDINANCE FOR VAPE SHOPS, SMOKE SHOPS, AND COSMETIC SERVICES.
AND BOTH OF THOSE WERE APPROVED.
AND, UM, THAT IS IT FOR MY REPORT.
[4. Review of meeting protocol.]
ON YOUR, UH, ON YOUR RIGHT, WE'LL REVIEW OUR MEETING PROTOCOL.THIS IS HOW WE CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS.
UH, ANYBODY HERE WISHING TO COMMENT ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? OKAY.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.THIS CAN BE PASSED BY ONE MOTION.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
SORRY, WHO'S COMMISSIONER MAY COMMISSIONER MAY, OH, SORRY.
YOU THROW YOUR VOICE QUITE WELL.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY.
AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOSS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIM UNANIMOUSLY.
[9. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0116 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFS-2-B (Single-Family Suburban) and Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to GC-3-A (General Commercial) on three (3) parcels of land approximately 13.5 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R032163, R032164, and R032168; and generally located south of Hero Way West, approximately 560 feet west of Lakeline Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING REGARDING ZONING CASE Z 24 DASH 0 1 16.
TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING, INTERIM SFS TWO B, SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN AND INTERIM S FFR ONE B, SINGLE FAMILY RURAL TO GC THREE, A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 13.5 ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, MORE PARTIC, PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AS PARCELS.
R 0 3 2 1 6 3 R 0 3, 2 1, 6 4, AND R 0 3 2 1 6 8.
AND GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF HERO WAY WEST, APPROXIMATELY 560 FEET WEST OF LAKELINE BOULEVARD, LEANER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION.
MICHAEL JANOWSKI, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THEIR DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT, UH, IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, OR TO GIVE YOU A LOCATION, UM, IT'S JUST EAST OF APPLE SPRINGS ROAD.
AND THEN, UH, IT'S WEST OF LAKELINE BOULEVARD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERO WAY.
UM, THE PARCEL THAT WERE ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN WERE ANNEXED IN 2002, AND THE, UH, PARCELS THAT WERE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RURAL WERE ANNEXED IN 2006.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NO PREVIOUS ZONING CASES FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE ACCESS ONTO HERO WAY, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD.
UM, THERE IS ACCESS TO WATER FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT WASTEWATER WILL NEED TO BE EXTENDED.
UH, SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S LOCATED UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ARTERIALS OR NEAR, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ARTERIALS.
UH, THE PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN AN ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPOSED GENERAL COMMERCIAL USE COMPONENT.
UH, AND THE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY NORTH, UH, SOUTH AND EAST ARE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UH, WHILE THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST INCLUDE A CHURCH AND THE APPLE SPRING SUBDIVISION, UH, STAFF DOES SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE APPLICANT, DO YOU WISH TO PRESENT? YES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON HEARING? OKAY.
WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO OUR GENERAL DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MAYHAN? YEAH, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS
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WITH THIS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, BUT, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THIS ONE OF THE CORNERS WHERE WE CHANGED FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO AN ACTIVITY CENTER.BECAUSE IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S SHOWING AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, NOT AN ACTIVITY CENTER.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE JUST USING THE RIGHT NOMENCLATURE.
BUT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, IT DOES, IT SAYS GC AND PRIOR FOR PRIORITY CENTERS, AND I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A, A HOT CORNER FOR US.
WAS THAT A, WAS THAT A PREVIOUS MAP THAT YOU SAW IN THE BOOK? OKAY.
SEE RIGHT HERE? BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, YEAH, THE ONE THEY PROVIDED US IS UPDATED WITH THE ACTIVITY CENTER, SO IT MUST BE SOMETHING THEY CHANGED.
WE, WE HAD AN UPDATE, I WANNA SAY TWO YEARS AGO.
AND, AND I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I'M SEEING IT RIGHT HERE AND NOT, NOT HERE.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE? NO, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
AND WITH THAT, I AM GOOD AS WELL.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAHAN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COSGROVE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STILL? MY COSGROVE.
IS THAT MAY YOU GUYS SOUND SO MUCH ALIKE? COMMISSIONER MAY.
MAY I GET MY HEARING CHECKED AFTER THIS MEETING?
[10. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-24-0015 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance to adopt regulations for an Entertainment Overlay, adopt regulations for Farmers’ Markets, update definitions, update permitted uses, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas. Applicant: City of Leander.
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CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE OR DASH 24 DASH ZERO 15 TO AMEND THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADOPT REGULATIONS FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY, ADOPT REGULATIONS FOR FARMER'S MARKETS, UPDATE DEFINITIONS, UPDATE PERMITTED USES, AND TO PROVIDE FOR RELATED MATTERS.
WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS APPLICANT, AND CITY OF LANDER.
YES, CARINA CASTILLO, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, OVER TIME, THE CITY STAFF HAS RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT AND PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE CITY.
SO WE'VE CREATED THE, OR WE PROPOSED THE ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY TO PROMOTE AREAS OF ENTERTAINMENT THROUGHOUT THIS OVERLAY WILL ALLOW FOR THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO APPROVE REQUESTS FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY THROUGH AN EVALUATION OF THE PROPOSED ACTIVITY AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THIS DOES INCLUDE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UM, THIS ORDINANCE, I'M SORRY, IT IMPLEMENTS A COUPLE OF ACTION ITEMS. SORRY, I'M SKIPPING AHEAD.
UM, THERE IS THREE DIFFERENT ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT KIND OF TALK, TALK ABOUT THESE KIND OF THINGS.
UM, SO THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO REQUEST THE OVERLAY TO SUPPORT ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS FOR THINGS LIKE NOISE LIGHTING AND USED REGULATIONS.
THE INTENT WOULD BE TO PROMOTE A VIBRANT AND ACTIVE PLACE, THEREBY PROVIDING RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES OPPORTUNITIES TO SOCIALIZE AND BE ENTERTAINED WITHIN THE CITY.
SO EACH OVERLAY SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 10 ACRES IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE AREA INTENDED FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES.
AND THE AREA MAY INCLUDE A MULTIPLE, INCLUDE EITHER MULTIPLE PROPERTIES OR ONE SINGLE PROPERTY.
ESTABLISHING THE OVERLAY WILL BE PERMITTED ONLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS ORDINANCE.
SO THE, THE OVERLAY ITSELF WILL BE ESTABLISHED THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO A ZONING CASE, SOMETHING LIKE A SUP.
AND SO IT WOULD COME TO YOU ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE, THE, SORRY, A ZONING CASE WITH THE DISTRICT THAT THE DISTRICT SUPPORTS AMENDMENTS TO THE CODES WITH REGARDS TO LAND USES.
THOSE AREAS INCLUDE USES THAT PROMOTE ACTIVE PUBLIC SPACES SUCH AS AMUSEMENT ACTIVITIES, THEATERS, PLAZAS, OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS, OUTDOOR CAFES, DESTINATION LOCATIONS.
AND THEN THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.
AND, AND ON, ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S ALSO SOME DIFFERENCES ON ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES AND SERVICES.
SO YOU'LL BE ALLOWED ON-PREMISE AND OFF-PREMISE SALES, UM, DIFFERENT HOURS OF OPERATION THAN WE TYPICALLY HAVE DIFFERENT LIGHTING STANDARDS AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE INTENT AND A REDUCTION IN PARKING.
AND LASTLY, THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE PROVISIONS TO ALLOW FOR FARMERS' MARKET AND THE, UM, MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT PARKS BY RIGHT WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
SO THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO COME BACK FOR AN SEP.
SO WITH THAT, UM, BEFORE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY, THE REQUEST SHALL BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR STUDY AND REPORT CONCERNING THE EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED USE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ON THE CHARACTER AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
NOTICE SHALL BE GIVEN AND PUBLIC HEARING SHALL BE HELD THE SAME MANNER AS ANY OTHER ZONING AND REZONING APPLICATIONS.
EACH ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY SHALL BE INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFIED AND MAY INCLUDE CONDITIONS TO ACCOMMODATE UNIQUE FEATURES SUCH AS THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS,
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INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION.I WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I'M GONNA, WHILE YOU HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, I'M GONNA SCROLL THROUGH SOME PICTURES.
WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? AND WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER IT IN DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER KLUM? YEAH, I JUST HAVE, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON THIS.
I THINK OVERALL IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT THING TO INCENTIVIZE THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
UM, FIRST COMMENT, AND THIS APPLIES TO BOTH THE FARMER'S MARKET PORTION AND THE ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME, UH, SOME THOUGHT INCLUDED ON, UH, ALTERNATIVE USES FOR THE SI IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ALTERNATIVE LIGHTING, NOISE ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THERE, MAYBE AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
PARTICULARLY WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET ISSUES, UM, SINCE THOSE ARE SORT OF TEMPORARY THINGS, UM, THE USE OF TEMPORARY SIGNS, WHETHER THEY BE SWOOPER FLAGS OR EASEL SIGNS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UM, THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT SUPPORTING AND HELPING THESE, THESE EVENTS, UM, LET, LET, LET'S BE REAL ABOUT IT.
UM, HOW WAS THE 10 ACRE REQUIREMENT ARRIVED AT? WE KIND OF JUST PICKED A NUMBER.
WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE TOO SMALL, BUT ALSO NOT TOO BIG.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST LIKE ONE LOT, ONE TENANT CREATES A DISTRICT.
WE WANT IT TO BE BIG ENOUGH THAT IT CREATES AN ACTUAL DISTRICT THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY WALK AROUND AND THE TENANTS AND USERS ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF BEATING OFF OF EACH OTHER, NOT JUST ONE SINGLE YEAH.
I, I JUST, I THINK OF SOME SMALLER VENUES, THINGS LIKE THE, THE, THE BLUE GENIE, BIZARRE THINGS LIKE THAT COME TO MIND.
JUST WEIRD, FUNKY LITTLE PLACES THAT I THINK COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, COULD BE SORT OF AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT ON THEIR OWN THAT COULD BE MUCH SMALLER THAN 10 ACRES.
YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW, UM, IF WE HAD SOMETHING INTERESTING LIKE THAT FOR THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT A SMALLER ACREAGE.
WE JUST WANTED TO COMMUNICATE WELL TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT MEANT FOR ONE SMALL LOT.
AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL LOTS OR COMBINED LOTS, AND THIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SECTION I READ IN HERE ON, I THINK ON PAGE 1 36, SECTION SEVEN REVISIONS TO SECTION 11, THAT IF TWO ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND SORT OF REBRAND, UH, THEY CAN DO THAT.
IF ONE'S THREE ACRES AND ONE'S SEVEN, THEN BOOM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST AN AUTOMATIC IN TERMS OF SIZE.
UM, OR, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY IF, IF, IF ONE OWNER TWO OWNS TWO DIFFERENT SUBDIVIDED PLACES, THEY CAN JUST SORT OF COMBINE THOSE TOGETHER.
UM, ON THE FARMER'S MARKET ITSELF, SOME OF THE NITTY GRITTY OF IT, UM, I LOVE, I LOVE THE INTENT OVERALL AND I THINK THE STUFF SHOULD BE INCENTIVIZED.
BUT NOW I'M GONNA ASK WHERE DID THE 80% REQUIREMENT OF FOOD ITEMS LOCALLY PRODUCED AND 80% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL AREA HAS TO BE LOCALLY PRODUCED AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS? I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE.
SO, UM, I'VE REVIEWED SEVERAL ORDINANCES FOR FARMER'S MARKETS SINCE THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID.
UM, I DID SPEAK TO, UM, ONE CITY, I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHICH ONE CALLED ME BACK.
UH, BUT THEY, THEY SAID THEIR CONCERN WAS NOT HAVING, UM, PRODUCTS THAT WERE BROUGHT IN THAT WEREN'T FROM THE LOCAL AREA.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL FARMERS.
UM, SO THAT WAS PART OF THE INTENT ON HAVING THAT PERCENTAGE.
I'M NOT SURE WE CAN HAVE AN 80%, UH, REQUIREMENT MET BY PURELY LOCAL PRODUCE, UH, ON SOMETHING LIKE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BE WAY MORE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE APPEALS OF FARMERS' MARKETS BESIDES LOCAL PRODUCE AND LOCAL FARMED AND BAKERIES AND, AND, AND EDIBLE THINGS, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, ARTISANAL SOAPS, LEATHER CRAFTS, JEWELRY MAKERS, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, I THINK ADD A LOT OF OF INTEREST AND APPEAL AND ARE GONNA GET PEOPLE TO GO OUT.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT 80% SQUARE FOOTAGE AND OR 80%, UH, VENDOR TENTS REDUCED TO SOMETHING MORE AT THE MOST 50.
DO YOU THINK JUST REMOVING THE WORD BOOT, LIKE JUST VENDORS THEMSELVES? NOT NECESSARILY.
SO I THINK WE, WE WANNA AVOID HAVING, UM, LIKE TUPPERWARE AND SENSY.
SO IF, IF IT WAS, UH, PRODUCTS MADE BY PEOPLE AND THAT COULD INCLUDE JEWELRY.
AND SO IF WE COULD RESTRUCTURE IT THAT WAY, WELL, I THINK MAYBE WHAT IF WE REDEFINE WHAT THE, THE, THE LOCUS OF WHAT LOCAL ACTUALLY IS.
WHAT DOES LOCAL ACTUALLY MEAN? I MEAN, COULD, DOES IT MEAN WILL, OH, DOES IT MEAN IS IT MADE IN TEXAS? TEXAS? IS
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IT GO TEXAN? OR HOW DO WE DEFINE LOCAL? BECAUSE I THINK YOU WANT, UH, DO WE WANT AS MANY FROM RIGHT HERE AS POSSIBLE? ABSOLUTELY.BUT, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IT'S, IT'S ALSO VERY TRUE.
UM, SO YEAH, A, A REDUCTION IN THAT, UH, FOR SURE.
UM, AND, AND PLUS I THINK THOSE ARE REAL BURDENS TO, TO PUT THAT 80% REQUIREMENT ON.
I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF BURDENS TO THE ORGANIZER THAT IS A DISINCENTIVE TO DO THE VERY THING THAT WE'RE SAYING WE WANNA SUPPORT.
UM, AND LEMME SEE I ANOTHER NOTE HERE.
OTHER THAN THE, OTHER THAN THE SIGN ISSUE.
OH, ONE OTHER THING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTS, UH, THAT INCREASE FLEXIBILITY ON LIGHTING, UM, THERE WAS, UH, ONE, ONE SECTION THAT SAID, AS LONG AS IT CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY MM-HMM.
UM, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY HAS TO CRANE THEIR HEAD AS THEY'RE DRIVING BY AT 40 MILES AN HOUR ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE AND THEY GET A GLIMPSE OF, YOU KNOW, OH, THOSE AREN'T STANDARD LIGHTING.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE WAY MORE FLEXIBLE THAN THAT.
THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIGHTING THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.
SO IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE TOWARDS THE PARKING AREAS, ANYTHING LIKE ON THE SIDEWALKS KIND OF THING? IT'S THE INTERNAL SITE THAT MAKES IT THE, WITHIN THE DISTRICT ITSELF.
AND, AND AGAIN, TO THAT POINT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE SITE IN THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT MAYBE CAN BE LIBERALIZED A LITTLE BIT.
SO REGARDING THE SIGN ORDINANCE, WOULD IT BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR MASTER SIGN PLANS? UM, PROBABLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN THAT IF SOMETHING IS APPROVED, I MEAN, I GUESS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPECIFY WHAT THEY WANNA DO IN DETAIL.
SO WOULD IT BE, SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IT THROUGH.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MASTER SIGN PLAN PROCESS.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPLETELY COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
THEY CAN DEVIATE IN THAT PROCESS.
BUT ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE OVERLAY SO THAT THEY SUBMIT IT AT THE SAME TIME? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
I MEAN, I, I'M GONNA PULL SOMETHING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
SOME KIND OF A, A A, YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING MONUMENT SIGN NOW YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THESE TWO OR THREE PLAZAS TOGETHER ARE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
UM, SOMETHING TO PUT ON TOP OF EVERY ONE OF THOSE MONUMENT SIGNS ON EVERY TWO OR THREE OF THOSE, THOSE MONUMENT SIGNS MIGHT BE ALREADY AT THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY COULD GO THROUGH A SIGN PLAN.
UM, BUT WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE OVERLAY WHEN THEY COME TO YOU WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT AT THAT TIME SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IT OR IT'S JUST FOR THEM TO HAVE A PROCESS? I, I'M INDIFFERENT ON THAT.
I WANT IT TO BE ENABLED, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I, I, I, I WANT WITH THESE, WITH THIS ADDED ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY IDEA, I WANT THEM TO BE, TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY FOR PROMOTION AND, AND REBRANDING AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
UH, WELL, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER COVERED EVERYTHING AND I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING.
SO, UH, I AM GOING TO ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER.
THANK YOU MR. MOSS OR COSGROVE.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LOCAL DEFINED, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A 50 MILE RADIUS OF THE AREA, BECAUSE THINGS LIKE FARMLAND AND LEANDER ARE DISAPPEAR VERY QUICK
AND SOME PEOPLE THINK OF LOCAL AS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF LEANDER.
UM, WHERE OTHER PEOPLE THINK LOCAL IS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WELL, IF WE DEFINE IT, UM, MA MAKE IT UNIQUE THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING FROM OUR AREA, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S 50 MILES OR A HUNDRED MILES FROM HERE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO VISIT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IN DALLAS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT, NOT COMPARING OURSELVES TO DALLAS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT IN OTHER PARTS OF TEXAS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIND IT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
MAKE IT SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THE LEANER AREA THAT WHEN THEY COME TO THAT FARMER'S MARKET, IT'S UNIQUE.
AND YOU, I THINK YOU HAVE TO CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT THAT LOCAL IS.
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SO, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE, THE IDEA OF OVERLAYS BECAUSE I THINK, UH, THEY ALLOW FOR A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN, IN HOW YOU DEVELOP AND HOW THINGS EVOLVE.I THINK COMMISSIONER KALO WAS RIGHT ABOUT SCIENCE.
UM, I I, I THINK THAT, UM, IN, IN FACT WHEN WHEN I READ IT, I'M LIKE, OH, KALA'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SCIENCE
AND, AND, AND I THINK RIGHTFULLY SO IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE I, I THINK YOU NEED TO, TO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, FARMER MARKETS, FARMER'S MARKETS, LITTLE POP THINGS, UM, THE ABILITY FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO, TO HAVE SIGNAGE, UM, IN, IN THE MOST FLEXIBLE TERMS POSSIBLE WITHOUT BEING GAUDY AND WITHOUT BEING TACKY AND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING A DISTRACTION I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB IN, IN CREATING THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND I THINK, UM, WE JUST NEED TO PUT SOME CODIFICATION OF THAT INTO THE, IN, INTO THE ORDINANCE.
AND IN ADDITION, I I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT'S LOCAL, RIGHT? AND I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE, WE WANT, I WANT, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE LOCAL VENDORS TO BE ABLE TO FILL SPACES HERE.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM, UM, FILLING SPACES, SELLING OMAHA STEAK, RIGHT.
UM, BUT IF, IF THEY ARE SOURCING THINGS FROM WEST TEXAS, TO ME, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT I HEAR WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE THINGS ARE PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEANT.
AND, AND NOT US SITTING HERE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO, TO COME AND APPLY, AND THEN THEY GET MAD AT YOU.
AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING.
SO I THINK THE CLEAR WE CAN MAKE THAT, THE BETTER WE CAN MAKE IT.
BUT MAN, I THINK THIS IS AWESOME.
SO FOR ME, UM, WHEN I, WHEN I READ THIS, FIRST THING I THOUGHT IS THERE'S NO SIGNAGE IN THERE.
SO COMMISSIONER KLUM IS DEFINITELY IMPACTING US.
UM, I DID THINK ABOUT HIM SECONDARY, BUT
SO, UM, AND, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEAT THAT ONE DAD.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS AND, AND, AND SPECIFICITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
HOWEVER, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ON HOW RESTRICTIVE WE GET.
GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER KALA WAS SAYING, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME IN.
AND WE ALSO DON'T WANNA MAKE IT OVERLY BURDENSOME ON THE STAFF TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WELL.
SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD ALWAYS BE TO MAKE IT, UM, I GUESS SPECIFIC ENOUGH SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT, BUT BROAD IN GENERAL ENOUGH SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE KIND OF THE, THE FARMER'S MARKET POLICE, RIGHT.
AND, AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT SO THAT STAFF DOES, WE WANNA LOOK FOR WAYS TO SAY YES, RIGHT? WE WANT STAFF TO BE ABLE TO SAY YES TO THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND, AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO BRING THESE EVENTS, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY.
YEAH, IN MY 2 CENTS, I'LL AGREE WITH, WITH COMMISSIONER CU AS WELL, I DO THINK THAT TRYING TO REQUIRE AT LEAST 80% OF THE VENDORS TO BE ALL FOOD RELATED OR, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE RELATED, UH, I DO THINK IS A BIT HIGH.
I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SHOP AT THESE THAT, THAT, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU CAN CALL COFFEE, FOOD, YOU KNOW, TO AN EXTENT, UH, TO, TO, TO AN EXTENT.
BUT THERE'S OTHER GOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DRY GOODS THAT PEOPLE SHOP FOR SOAP WAS MENTIONED AS WELL.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF LOCAL SOAP ARTISANS WHO LIKE TO SELL THEIR PRODUCTS TO THESE MARKETS.
SO, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S DBAS OUT THERE IF WE HAVE, IF WE WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY A LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESS WITHIN TEXAS.
UM, I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO DEFINE WHAT IS LOCAL.
I THINK TEXAS IN GENERAL, IF IT'S MADE IN TEXAS AND SOLD IN TEXAS, IT CAN BE CONSIDERED LOCAL.
BUT I DO THINK WE'D WANT TO GIVE PREFERENCE OR, YOU KNOW, TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE WITHIN A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, GEOGRAPHIC AREA OR DISTANCE WITHIN, WITHIN THE LAND OR CITY LIMITS.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO I DO AGREE THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT CHANGING THAT PERCENTAGE AS FAR AS 80% OF THE COMMUNITY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL VENDING BOOTHS OR FROM LOCAL.
I MEAN, I, I, I'M KIND OF OKAY WITH THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THESE FARMER'S MARKETS.
I KNOW WITH THE BRYSON FARMSTEAD, THE IDEA IS TO USE THAT SPACE EVENTUALLY WHENEVER IT COMES BACK UP FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, IS TO HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET THERE.
THAT'LL BE KIND OF A CENTRAL PART AND A BIG HUB FOR PEOPLE TO SHOP AND HANG OUT AND FIND LOCALLY, UH, MADE GOODS AND PRODUCE, UM, IN THAT SPACE.
SO I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK 80% IS KIND OF OKAY THERE, BUT THE 20%, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS THAT OMAHA STEAKS, YOU KNOW, OR IS THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S RAISING BEEF UP IN MONTANA AND BRINGING IT TO TEXAS? OR IS IT SOMEBODY FROM THE COAST BRINGING SEAFOOD? WE DON'T HAVE SEAFOOD HERE, YOU KNOW, IN
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CENTRAL TEXAS, RIGHT? WE CAN GET STUFF FROM LAKES, BUT YOU CAN'T GET IT FROM THE COAST UNLESS YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COAST.SO, YEAH, I DO THINK WE PROBABLY, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME CHANGES WE WANNA SEE DONE HERE THAT WE MAY WANNA TABLE THIS AND POSSIBLY POSTPONE IT, POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, AND POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND HAVE Y'ALL COME BACK AND WORK ON THE, THE SIGN LANGUAGE OR ADDITION AND MAYBE CHANGE SOME OF THE PARAMETERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON FARMER'S MARKET.
CHAIRMAN, CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I, I, I JUST WANNA, I WANNA BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT PUTTING TOO MUCH OF A DEFINITION ON LOCAL, HONESTLY.
BECAUSE FOR ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE ARE THE LOCAL HUMAN BEINGS AND THE CREATORS AND THE ENTREPRENEURS WHO ARE GOING TO COME TO THESE MARKETS, WHO ARE GONNA ENVISION WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE AND WHO ARE GONNA APPLY FOR, FOR BOOST AND EVERYTHING, AND SET THOSE UP IF WE GET TOO FAR DOWN INTO PUTTING, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT IT IS.
AND, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I'M, IF, IF I THINK WE HAD A SEAFOOD VENDOR, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SEAFOOD COMPANIES LOCALLY THAT BRING STUFF IN AND, AND THEY'VE SOLD IT AT FARMER'S MARKETS BEFORE.
UM, IF IT IS A CATTLE RANCH IN OKLAHOMA, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S SOME LOCAL CONNECTION HERE, TO ME IT'S MUCH MORE, IT'S MUCH MORE DESIRABLE TO JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT GETS THESE THINGS OFF THE GROUND AND RUNNING, NOT WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEFINING LOCAL PER SE AND JUST LET THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND CREATORS KIND OF GO AND, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE.
AND I THINK THE CONSUMERS, THE, THE, THE, THE CUSTOMERS IN GENERAL AT THE FARMER'S MARKET WILL KIND OF DETERMINE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SHOP AND NOT, UH, I MEAN, I, THE REASON WHY I THINK THIS IS STILL AN IMPORTANT TOPIC BECAUSE I, I CAN LOOK AT SMOOTH VILLAGE NEXT DOOR, AND THEN THERE'S A SPECIFIC CASE WHERE THERE WAS A, UM, PRODUCE VENDOR THAT JUST BOUGHT A BUNCH OF OLD PRODUCE FROM ONE OF THE LOCAL GROCERY STORES AND THEN TRIED TO SELL IT AS A FARMER'S MARKET ITEM.
AND I'VE SEEN THAT DONE BEFORE AND I KNOW WE'RE, WE WANT TO TRY TO POLICE THAT TO AN EXTENT, BUT I FEEL LIKE MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF CONSIDER AND, AND MAYBE ON OCCASION, YOU KNOW, MONITOR THESE MARKETS AS THEY POP UP.
BUT YEAH, TO THE POINT, I DO THINK WE WANNA ENCOURAGE THEM.
SO I SAY WE POSTPONE IT AND LET THE CITY COME BACK AND, UH, LET Y'ALL WORK ON THE, THE LANGUAGE AND WE'LL REVIEW IT AGAIN.
SO WHAT ACTIONS DO I NEED TO TAKE ON THAT? JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING DATE.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL POSTPONE ITEM NUMBER 10 TO THE NEXT MEETING DATE, JUNE 27TH.
AND WITH THAT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY BEFORE WE ADJOURN? OKAY.