Sep 12, 2024 P&Z Commission

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[1. Call to Order.]

LET THE RECORDS SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COMMISSIONER MOSS, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, AND COMMISSIONER MAHAN DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the September 5, 2024 meeting.]

I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THE, UM, MEETING LAST WEEK.

UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DID ACCEPT THE PROGRESS REPORT FROM THE COMMISSION WITH, UM, NO CHANGES AND THEY DID CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SAN GABRIEL VILLAS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY APPROVED THAT REQUEST AND THEN THEY ALSO EVALUATED THE TREE REMOVAL CASE FOR THE, UM, LEAN OR UNION SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

THE APPLICANT IS WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY TO SAVE SOME OF THE TREES, UM, THAT, THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL COME TO A GOOD RESOLUTION.

GOOD.

AND, UH, THAT'S IT FOR MY REPORT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER

[4. Review of meeting protocol.]

ITEM FIVE IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING

[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]

AGENDA ITEM SIX, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 22ND AND SEPTEMBER 5TH JOINT WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARING.

ITEM SEVEN HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT,

[8. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0127 to amend the current zoning of Northline Planned Unit Development to adopt the Northline Retail Planned Unit Development with base zoning district of GC-2-A (General Commercial) on eight (8) parcels of land approximately 16.0602 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R517094, R031604, R646992, R646986, R646987, R646988, R646989, and R646990; and generally located southwest of the intersection of East San Gabriel Parkway and 183A Toll Road, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.  

• Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-24-0127 as described above.

UM, THIS IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE C DASH 24 DASH 0 1 27 TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF NORTHLINE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ADOPT THE NORTHLINE RETAIL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH BAY ZONING DISTRICT OF GC TWO A ON EIGHT PARCELS OF LAND SHOWN AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA.

THIS IS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF EAST SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND 180 3 A TOLL ROAD.

UH, WE WILL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION, BUT WE, WE HAVE NOTICED AS WE, UH, GOT HERE TONIGHT AND UPON READING THIS, THAT IT APPEARS THAT THIS AGENDA ITEM REQUIRES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE AS WELL AS A ZONING CHANGE.

SO, STAFF PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

CARINA CASTILLO WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO THIS IS, UM, THE ZONING CASE Z 24 0 1 27, AND IT IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ALONG SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND 180 3 A TOLLWAY.

THE SITE IS CURRENTLY PART OF THE NORTHLINE POD AND IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED TO ESTABLISH CONVENTIONAL ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY.

AN ADMINISTRATIVE PUN AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED TO REMOVE THIS PROPERTY FROM THE NORTHLINE PUD.

THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SMART CODE AND WILL FOLLOW THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE UNLESS ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS WERE APPROVED WITH THIS REQUEST.

THE PUD INCLUDES PERIMETER BLOCK LENGTH BEING MET WITH PRIVATE DRIVES INSTEAD OF STREETS, REMOVING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL USER, REDUCED MINIMUM SETBACKS ALONG WITH MAXIMUM SETBACKS, UH, REDUCTION IN LANDSCAPING, ALTERNATIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT AND SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE.

THE, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST OF THE NORTH LINE DEVELOPMENT AND SOUTH OF THE ST.

DAVID'S EMERGENCY ROOM.

THE A CCC SAN GABRIEL CAM CAMPUS IS LOCATED TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

THE LEANDER CENTRAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IS INTENDED TO DEVELOP A WALKABLE AREA WITH DENSE URBAN FORM, WITH A CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS BUILDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STREET AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT, SIGNAGE, STREET DESIGN AND PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES, AND REQUIRES ON STREET OR STRUCTURED PARKING AND AN EMPHASIS ON PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A BAY ZONING OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USES.

AND LIKE WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WILL BE NEEDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SO THAT WE CAN, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CATEGORY THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THE PUT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING WAIVERS AND HIGHER STANDARDS USE STANDARDS PROHIBITS INTENSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE GC DISTRICT BUT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS INCLUDE REMOVING THE LIMITATION OF MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL USER.

REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT FOR STREETS TO MEET THE PERIMETER BLOCK LENGTH AND INSTEAD USES PRIVATE DRIVES THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT.

THE ADJACENT STREETS WILL NOT BE EXTENDED ONTO THIS SITE.

IT PROVIDES PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 200 OF ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET OF ANY USE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, AS OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT RATIOS REQUIRED THAT VARY BY USE.

SETBACKS ALONG MAIN STREET AND DOC DR. MILLER STREET ARE BEING ADJUSTED TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENT.

THE PARKING AISLE LOADING CANOPIES AND OUTDOOR DISPLAY SETBACKS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REDUCED FROM 15 FEET TO 10 FEET ALONG SAN GABRIEL PARKWAY AND 180 3 8 TOLLWAY.

THE REQUIRED PERCENTAGE OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE LOTS IS REQUESTED TO BE REDUCED FROM 50% TO 25%,

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IN ADDITION, THE A APPLICATION THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO INCREASE THE DISTANCE OF TREES BEING LOCATED FROM EVERY PARKING SPACE FROM 50 FEET TO 75 FEET WITHIN BLOCK C.

SHOW WHERE BLOCK C'S LOCATED.

UM, AND THEN REGARDING SIGNAGE, THE PUT IS PROPOSING ALTERNATIVE STANDARDS SUCH AS ALLOWING ADDITIONAL MULTI-TENANT PYLON SIGNS ALONG 180 3 A TOLLWAY INCREASING THE SIGN DISPLAY AREA FOR THE PYLON FROM 150 SQUARE FEET TO 500 SQUARE FEET ALONG 180 3 TOLL ROAD, INCREASING THE SIGN DISPLAY AREA FOR MONUMENT SIGNS ALONG SAN GABRIEL BEING PROPOSED TO INCREASE FROM 120 SQUARE FEET TO 350 SQUARE FEET, INCREASING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN ALONG SAN GABRIEL FROM 20 FEET TO 30 FEET.

AND LASTLY, ALLOWING THE OPTION FOR A MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR LARGE SCALE TENANTS TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL WALL SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR.

THAT'S IT FOR MY PRESENTATION.

I'LL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION OR, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE, UH, CARDS FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE, UM, WEBSITE FROM MARSHALL HINES AND THIS WILL BE ADDED TO THE RECORD, HIS WRITTEN COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE NONE.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER DISCUSSION.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT WHILE WE CAN CONSIDER THIS, UM, SEPARATELY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, ANYTHING WE RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL WOULD BE PENDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE COMING BACK TO US FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO WE CAN EITHER POSTPONE THAT AND DO THE, DO THEM TOGETHER, OR WE CAN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ONE STILL HAS TO COME BACK AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE BECAUSE THE LEANDER, UM, CENTRAL AREA DOES NOT ALLOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

SO IT WOULD REQUIRE COMP CHANGE.

SO, UH, YOU WANNA START UP HERE? UH, COMMISSIONER MEG, UH, I KNOW THIS IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WERE, HOW CLOSE WERE THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THIS CHANGE? WERE THERE ACTUALLY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE OUTREACH? WE, WE, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

I KNOW THEY'RE ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE OH, WITHIN NORTHLINE IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

RIGHT.

ARE THEY ADJOINING TO THE, SO YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN HERE THAT THAT'S A CCI REALIZE THAT, BUT NO, THAT'S NOT ACC THOSE ARE THE APARTMENTS AND THE TOWN HOMES ARE LOCATED TO THE OKAY THO THOSE, UM, AND DID THEY WERE CONTACTED ABOUT THIS AND HAD NO, SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T, IT DIDN'T FALL INTO THE AREA SINCE IT WASN'T SINGLE FAMILY, THERE WAS NO ONE WITHIN THAT 500 FEET RADIUS.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IF THEY'VE SEE THAT, THEY'D AT LEAST BE ABLE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT BEFORE THE CHANGE IS MADE.

UH, BEING THAT, THAT THIS IS A PRETTY BIG CHANGE FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL WAS.

AND IT, IT'S NOT THAT I WANNA HOLD UP PROGRESS, BUT, UM, UM, I, I, AND I KNOW THE COMMERCIAL THAT WE APPROVED NINE, 10 YEARS AGO HAS CHANGED AS TO WHAT CAN GO IN THERE TODAY.

BUT ON THE SAME HAND, UH, EXISTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE EITHER BUILT A BUSINESS, AN APARTMENT OR A HOME NEAR THAT NEED TO BE, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE NOTIFIED AND AWARE OF THAT PRIOR TO MAKING THIS BIG OF A CHANGE.

WE DID INCLUDE THE SIGNAGE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.

WE JUST DIDN'T DO THE ADDITIONAL OUTREACH.

SO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET GOT NOTIFIED.

IT'S JUST THE RESIDENTS AND THE APARTMENTS DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED.

OKAY.

AND, UM, THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAD ON THAT.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I WISH I WAS, HAD MORE VISIBILITY TO THE, THE ENTIRE NORTHLINE PROJECT AS A WHOLE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AND APPROVED AND THE HUB WAS PART OF THAT.

AND IT SINCE PULLED OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT HAS CHANGED, IT SEEMS LIKE JUST IN, IN THE YEARS I'VE LIVED IN LEANDER, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY OVER WHAT IT HAD TENDED TO BE.

AND EVEN THE COMMENTS I'M TRYING TO READ THROUGH, 'CAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND VERY DETAILED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT COMMENT FROM, UM, FROM, FROM MR. MR. HINES.

UM, AND I, I, I HAVE TO KIND OF JUST LOOK AT THIS AS, AS SOME ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE AND SAY, MAN, HE'S BRINGS UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS ABOUT WALKABILITY.

UH, THIS WAS, THIS IS LEANER CENTRAL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE TO ONE A THREE A, WHICH

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UM, I DO THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HAS A, THIS IS ALL ONE BIG, YOU KNOW, A PUD AND IT'S DESIGNED TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I, I GUESS COMPLIMENTARY ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND IT IS DESIGNED TO BE THIS NEW CENTRAL LEANDER HUB, SO TO SPEAK.

AND SO, UH, I I, I'M CHALLENGED WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE GREAT THERE, BUT THAT, BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T FLOW VERY WELL WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEING DEVELOPED THERE TODAY, AT LEAST THE INTENT OF WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED THERE.

UM, I EVEN HAVE ISSUE WITH THE SIGNAGE ON ALONG SAYING GABRIEL, I, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED 350 SQUARE FEET FOR A SIGN.

I THINK 120 IS ADEQUATE.

UM, AND, UH, BUT, BUT WITH THAT, I, I JUST, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, DISCUSSING FURTHER ON THIS ONE.

I, I'D BE MORE OPEN TO EITHER, I MEAN, I'D PROBABLY BE MORE OPEN TO POSTPONING IT, UM, SO WE CAN HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE AND TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER, WHAT, WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES ARE, BECAUSE I, I JUST, I, IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO GO EITHER WAY ON THIS ONE.

UM, I MEAN, MY, MY INITIAL THINKING IS NO, BUT I, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO ASK YOU, LIKE, WE USUALLY GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY IN OUR PACKETS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WE EITHER APPROVE OR WE DON'T APPROVE.

WAS, WAS THAT ON PURPOSE OR? SO WE, WE DO SUPPORT THE CASE.

YOU DO SUPPORT THIS CASE CASE, IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KALAM.

I'M GONNA START OFF WITH PICKING UP ON RIGHT WHERE HE LEFT OFF.

UM, ON THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE, SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS ARE BEING RAISED HERE, AND I FIND MR. HINES' COMMENTS, UH, CERTAINLY INFLUENTIAL.

UM, THIS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM THE ORIGINAL VISION FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA.

I ALMOST ALWAYS AM IN FAVOR OF, OF LARGER SIGNS.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF.

UM, AND I KNOW THERE ARE PRAGMATIC CONSIDERATIONS, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CHANGE IN THE, IN THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION, UH, THAT NORTHLINE HAD TO ADAPT TO OVER THE YEARS.

BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL? SO WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WERE COMING TO AN AGREEANCE ON.

UM, IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY REMOVE A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

WE WERE JUST, UM, FINDING ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO GET TO THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.

LIKE WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THEY, UH, REDUCE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE IT.

SO THERE'S THINGS THAT WE WERE KIND OF JUST WORKING TO SEE WHAT WOULD WORK BEST WITH THAT SITE SPECIFICALLY WHILE STILL MEETING THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.

THE PARKING WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE IT WAS, UM, THEY REDUCED THE OVERALL, LIKE THE RATIOS THAT WE WERE USING, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REMOVE THE OVERALL PARKING REQUIREMENT.

UM, THE PERIMETER BLOCK LENGTH WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE WERE GONNA WORK THROUGH THE SIDE PLAN PART OF IT.

UM, ONCE THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL DESIGN TO REVIEW, THEN WE WOULD WORK THROUGH HOW WE'RE GONNA MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE USING, UM, PRIVATE DRIVES INSTEAD OF PUBLIC STREETS.

SO IT WAS JUST A LOT OF, UM, WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, MAKING SURE THAT THE INTENT WAS STILL BEING MET.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TOO? MM-HMM.

SO, UM, I THINK IT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT THE, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE TOLL ROAD WAS GOING TO BE MORE SUBURBAN IN NATURE.

MM-HMM.

BECAUSE IT IS MORE CAR CENTRIC.

SO IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT MADE US A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHANGE.

MM-HMM.

, I THINK THAT'S PERSUASIVE TOO.

I, I MEAN, I LEANED TOWARDS, UH, YES ON THIS, BUT, UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GRAVITY OF, OF, YOU KNOW, SIGN THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, YEAH, I'D, I'D PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING AS WELL.

UM, JUST OKAY.

YOU KNOW, I, IT IS A TOUGH ONE.

OKAY.

UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, THE PROJECT, THE AREA ALONG 180 3, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE THINGS THEY'RE ASKING FOR, ESPECIALLY ALONG 180 3 AS IT GETS CLOSER TO WHAT I WOULD CALL THE HEART OF WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF NORTHLINE, YOU KNOW, THERE ON THE LEFT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY, THE WESTERN PART THERE, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE, UH, MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.

YOU KNOW, SO IT STILL HAS THAT LOOK THAT, THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY GOING FOR.

I KNOW THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO ADAPT TO CHANGES IN ORDINANCES AND, AND, AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH SIGNAGE ALONG 180 3 BEING LARGER BECAUSE THE 180 3 TENDS TO, RIGHT THERE TENDS TO GO UP AND DOWN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LITTLE BIT, GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, CONSIDERATION ON THE HEIGHT.

PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY CAN EXIT IN TIME TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE AMENITIES.

BUT I, I GUESS MY REASON FOR FAVORING A POSTPONEMENT IS THEY CAN'T

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WHATEVER WE DECIDE TONIGHT, THEY CAN'T GO FORWARD TILL THEY COME BACK AND DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

EVEN THOUGH IT GOES TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK, COUNCIL, WE HAS TO SEND IT BACK TO US FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS TOGETHER AND, AND WORKING THIS OUT AT THAT TIME, I THINK I, I DON'T LIKE TO DELAY THEM, BUT THEY'RE DELAYED ANYWAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T OVERSIGHT THAT IT GOT ON THE AGENDA AS JUST A ZONING CHANGE INSTEAD OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE.

SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY BE LEANING TOWARD THAT TOO.

SO.

YEAH.

AND, AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, REQUEST ALONG 1 8 3 8.

IT WAS THE, IT WAS JUST THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUEST ALONG SAN GABRIEL THAT THOUGHT WAS, I AGREE.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? YEAH, SURE.

AND THEN, AND I THINK AS IT'S COMING UP, WE'D, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK TO THE EAST, WE HAVE THE FEDEX DEPOT, WE HAVE THE CAR DEALERSHIPS, YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH, WE HAVE THE HOME DEPOT THAT'S COMING IN.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A HUGE EYESORE TO THE EAST COMPARED TO THAT.

YEAH.

I, MY MY CONCERNS WERE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO THE WEST OF THAT AND WHAT A POTENTIAL PERSON THAT'S EITHER, UH, THEY'VE BUILT THE APARTMENTS OR THEY'RE BUYING A TOWN HOME AND NOW THEY'RE NOT NEXT DOOR TO WHAT THEY YEAH.

WELL, AND, AND, AND I THINK CHAIRWOMAN LANDRUM MADE A GOOD POINT THAT I THINK THAT THE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE OF WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED OR WHAT'S BEING PLANNED ALONG.

ONE A THREE A I THINK THAT FITS WITH WHAT ONE A THREE IS AND WHAT USUALLY GETS DEVELOPED ALONG MAJOR ARTERIES LIKE THAT.

IT'S WHEN YOU START COMING FURTHER IN TO SAYING GABRIEL, WHEN YOU START FLOWING TOWARDS THE ACTUAL CENTRAL LEANDER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NORTHLINE, THAT'S WHERE WE STILL WANNA PRESERVE THAT, THAT CENTRAL LEANDER FIELD THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

I JUST, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE EITHER WE'RE TRYING TO COMPROMISE BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF GIVING UP ON THAT BIGGER VISION.

SO, AND BEFORE I GIVE THE GENTLEMAN A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY, UM, ROBIN, UH, MS. GRIFFIN WAS ON THE PHONE WITH OUR ATTORNEY JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

IT CAN, IT'S ALREADY ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK AND CAN GO TO COUNCIL AND BE APPROVED, BUT IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK TO US FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE.

CORRECT.

SO THE, AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION ON THE ZONING, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL THE COMP PLAN COMES TO YOU.

SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE ZONING CASE IS COMING BACK TO YOU 6 0 1 OR RIGHT.

NO, THE ZONING CASE WOULD NOT HAVE TO, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, THEN IT, IT KILLS THE OTHER.

CORRECT.

CORRECT.

SO IT'D BE BEST TO DISCUSS 'EM TOGETHER AND IT, IT'S NOT GONNA SAVE TIME, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT, IT'S NOT GONNA SAVE TIME.

'CAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE STILL HAS TO HAPPEN.

BUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE AND ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS.

I DID WANNA, UM, JUST GO BACK TO ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CLOSER.

SO THE, THAT BLOCK C IS THE ONE THAT THEY'RE REDUCING THE SETBACKS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE MAXIMUM INSTEAD OF MINIMUM AND IT CAN MATCH THE NORTH LINE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OKAY.

TO BLEND IT MORE WITH THAT SECTION.

MM-HMM.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO CHARLIE WORTHINGTON WITH ENDEAVOR REAL ESTATE GROUP.

THANKS FOR HEARING THIS.

UH, SOME OF THE CONFUSION, WHICH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN, BUT THAT PARTICULAR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT ON A PILE ON, IT IS ON A BUILDING.

IT IS FOR THE ANCHOR THAT WOULD BE GOING ON BLOCK C, WHICH IS THE GROCERY STORE.

SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THROUGH THE LAST NINE MONTHS THAT Y'ALL WANT DESPERATELY.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT GROCERY STORE IS SITTING AND THAT IS THEIR SIGN ACROSS THEIR BUILDING.

SO IT'S A LARGER BUILDING THAT HAS MULTIPLE SIGNS GOING ACROSS IT.

SO IT'S A CUMULATIVE EFFECT ON THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THAT'S WHERE THE ASK IS FOR.

UM, AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WHICH IS OVER ON THE WEST SIDE, WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY MOVED EVERYTHING OVER TO THIS SIDE SO THAT WE COULD ACT AND FEEL LIKE A TRADITIONAL RETAIL CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PROPERTY WANTS TO BE.

I WON'T BORE YOU WITH A LOT OF DETAILS, BUT 25 YEARS AGO I TRIED TO PUT HOME DEPOT ON THIS SITE.

IT WAS VACANT THEN, AND IT'S STILL VACANT.

AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR CONCEPT DOES NOT WORK IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT.

AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'VE GOT A PLAN AND ALEX HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING A LOT OF THAT EXECUTED, BUT THE RETAIL NEEDS TO FUNCTION AND ACT LIKE A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER OR IT WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THAT, IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE WHAT CEDAR PARK HAS, IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT GEORGETOWN HAS.

THOSE, YOU KNOW, VERY SUCCESSFUL RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS AND ENDEAVOR, UH, HAS GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BUILDING THOSE ACROSS THIS WHOLE METROPLEX.

AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, APPROVING THIS AND HOPEFULLY NOT POSTPONING IT, WE'D BE GLAD TO COME BACK IN.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNTIL TODAY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD KNOWING THAT I'VE GOTTA COME BACK

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ON THE ZONING SIDE, I'M FINE BEING SUBJECT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE.

AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE IN FAVOR WITH IT AS WELL.

SO IT'S ONE LESS STEP FOR US.

OKAY.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM WHILE HE IS UP HERE? NO.

I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE AND PROVIDE SOME CLARITY.

I MEAN, SOME OF THOSE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT FOR US.

WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF OPERATING WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT THE PUBLIC SEES AS WELL, SO WE'RE KIND OF HAVING TO WORK THROUGH THIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION HERE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE DISCOVERY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS.

AND SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THAT CLARITY.

I MEAN, AND, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING.

I THINK THE G OBVIOUSLY GC WORKS HERE.

IT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE RIGHT SPOT FOR IT.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, ANY, ANY FURTHER INFORMATION LIKE THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US IS GONNA BE GREAT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO WE, WE, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY ROBIN, WAS IT SIX MONTHS AGO THAT WE HAD THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WITH CITY COUNCIL KIND OF AS A, IT WAS APRIL, IT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

WAS IT, WAS IT APRIL? YEAH, RIGHT.

YEAH, APRIL.

SO IT SHOWED, YOU KNOW, PICTURES OF WHAT OUR PLANS WERE AND OTHER THINGS AT THAT TIME.

UH, AND SO I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT THEY WOULD'VE PASSED THAT INFORMATION ONTO Y'ALL.

YEAH, WE HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OKAY.

ANY LIKE, BIGGER PLANS OR, IT HAD A FAIRLY DETAILED SITE PLAN AND, AND RENDERINGS ATTACHED WITH IT.

SO YEAH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL, JUST FOR THE RECORD.

ALRIGHT.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

MR. TOMBERG, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I'M ALEX BERG, THE DEVELOPER OF THE, THE NORTHLINE PROJECT.

UM, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO LIKE, CATCH UP THIS BOARD WITH COORDINATION WE'VE HAD WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL FOR 10 MONTHS AND YOU'RE AT A, A SIGNIFICANT DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO, TO YOU ALL ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

AND THERE'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRITTEN BY, YOU KNOW, A A, A CITIZEN.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF IF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, REFERRING TO IS, IS ANYTHING OFFICIAL? SOMEBODY SENT SOMETHING IN AND WROTE, WROTE SOME COMMENTS.

I'D LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, UH, SO I CAN RESPOND TO IT.

BUT I GUESS THERE'S SOME QUESTION AS TO WHAT DO OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN NORTHLINE THINK ABOUT THIS RETAIL PLAN? AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE WE VERY MUCH SUPPORT IT.

IF YOU WERE TO TALK TO THE, THE MULTIFAMILY OWNER, IF YOU WERE TO TALK TO THE TOWNHOME OWNERS, ONE OF THEM IS HERE TONIGHT.

AND I, I ASSUME IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THEY ALL WANT THE AMENITIES THAT RETAIL WILL PROVIDE.

AND THIS IS THE WAY TO BRING AS MUCH RETAIL AS POSSIBLE TO THIS PROJECT.

THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE TRANSITION, SO TO SPEAK, BETWEEN THE DENSE URBAN CORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT'S OUT ON THE, ON THE OUTSKIRTS, AT THE ENTRY ALONG THE TOLLWAY.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD.

NOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES TO NORTHLINE.

THE ORIGINAL PLAN SHOWED LARGE OFFICE BUILDINGS ALONG THAT, THAT CORRIDOR, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN AT, AT ANY POINT IN, AT ANY TIME, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE LARGE OFFICE BUILDINGS OFF OF THAT CORRIDOR, DO YOU PUT LARGE MULTIFAMILY? I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS THAT EITHER.

TO US, THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE THIS IS, THIS IS GETTING AS MUCH RETAIL AMENITY TO THE CITY AND IS GOING TO HELP ACCELERATE THE INTERNAL DENSITY THAT IS THE TRUE VISION OF NORTHLINE.

THIS IS VERY COMPLIMENTARY AND, AND VERY MUCH ACCELERATES THAT VISION.

SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU.

UM, STAFF AND COUNCIL.

WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR 10 MONTHS AND, UM, WE'VE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN CONCURRENCE BY THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH ABOUT ALL OF THESE DETAILS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME SPENT.

SO I'M HERE, OUR PARTNERS ARE HERE TO TRY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS, BUT WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO RESPOND TO ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE AND SEE IF, IF THERE IS A WAY TO MOVE THIS, THIS BALL FORWARD TODAY.

COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? UH, UH, THANK YOU FIRST FOR, FOR ALL OF THE COMMENTS.

I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, I LEAN TOWARDS A YES ON THIS.

THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, ALONG THAT 180 3 ROAD IS APPROPRIATE.

UM, THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAKES SENSE THERE.

IF, IF THE NORTHLINE THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR NORTHLINE DIDN'T EXIST, THIS WOULD BE A NO BRAINER,

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IF, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO MAKE AN MOTION ON THIS TO APPROVE IT, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE THERE? WE'VE GOT BOTH THE, THE, THE COMP PLAN VOTE AND THE NO, WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE ZONING.

RIGHT.

THEN OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING GOES TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION, THEN IT WILL, THEN THE COMP PLAN CHANGE WILL COME TO US AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL.

OKAY.

I, I WANNA THANK STAFF TOO FOR THE, FOR THE COMMENTS THAT THOSE WERE HELPFUL IN INFORMATION.

SO I DID WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, SO I KNOW MR. NORRINGTON MENTIONED THE, THE WALL SIGNAGE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND UP UNTIL, I DON'T KNOW, YESTERDAY WE WERE STILL FINALIZING THE LANGUAGE.

UM, SO THE WALL SIGNAGE WAS ACTUALLY CAPTURED WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN.

UM, SO THAT WAS THE LAST, UM, BULLET E ON THE SIGNAGE SECTION.

UM, BUT THE CONCERN ABOUT THE MONUMENT SIGN IS FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE ROADWAY, NOT THE ONE.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE NOT, NOT WHAT GOES ON IN THE BUILDING PER SE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

I THINK IT WAS JUST, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT SECTION.

OKAY.

WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE REMOVED THAT LANGUAGE AND JUST CAPTURED IT WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND, AND I'LL JUST CLARIFY IT, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I THINK IT'S JUST WORTH NOTING.

AND I THINK, I THINK THESE ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO TECHNICALLY THEY COULD, THEY COULD EVENTUALLY SEE THEM.

THEY'LL BE A PART OF THE MINUTES.

YEAH.

AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE LAND USE CATEGORY IS LAND OR CENTRAL.

UM, THE AREAS ENVISIONED TO BE VERY WALKABLE AREA WITH COURAGES SENSE OF PLACE, UH, DEVELOPED WITH AN URBAN CHARACTER, MEANING DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES ON STREET OR STRUCTURED PARKING AND AN EMPHASIS ON PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE GENERAL CONCERNS, RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE THINK ALL ENVISION NORTHLINE TO BE.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE CREATING HERE IS A, A, A VISION THAT'S GONNA HAVE THIS KIND OF, BASICALLY YOU HAVE STAGES OF BUFFERS, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS HIGH TRAFFIC AREA THAT'S GONNA FLOW INTO A MORE URBAN AREA THAT'S MORE WALKABLE.

I MEAN, I, I THINK, I MEAN I, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE DOMAIN VERSION TOO.

I THINK THAT'S KINDA WHAT PEOPLE MAY BE ENVISIONING THIS TO BE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE.

UM, AND MAYBE THE INITIAL INTENT WAS IT WAS HOPING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA, SO YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE THOSE, THOSE TRANSITION ZONES.

SO I I, I DO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AGREE THAT THE GC THIS WORKS HERE.

UM, AND I, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AT LEAST THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE NOTED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE THINGS DID STAND OUT TO ME AS WELL.

BUT I MEAN, IF, IF, IF ANYBODY WANTS, WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THE END.

BEFORE, BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THEY GET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC RECORD WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT EVERYBODY'S IN FAVOR OF THAT.

UM, AND, AND THE REASON I BRING THIS UP, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS , I THINK HE IS IN FAVOR.

YEAH.

I, I, I LIVE IN NORTHSIDE MEADOW, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND HEB DOWN THE STREET HERE.

I LIVE IN NORTHSIDE MEADOW, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, RIGHT BEHIND HEB.

AND MANY YEARS AGO THE ZONING WAS CHANGED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THEY BUILT A HOTEL WHICH WAS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL OF THE 247 UNITS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

230 OF THE PEOPLE WERE UP IN ARMS WANTING TO MARCH ON CITY HALL AND TELL THEM NOT TO BUILD THAT HOTEL.

OKAY.

BUT WHEN, UH, I THINK WE TOOK, UH, QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS, WE WERE TOLD, WELL, YOU BOUGHT LAND THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO COMMERCIAL WHERE THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO BUILD THAT.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED AS A PART OF PUBLIC RECORD, IT MAKES A MUCH EASIER DECISION.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 50 PEOPLE COME UP AND DO THAT.

JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT PEOPLE WERE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MANY PARTS TO NORTHLINE.

WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THAT IN AN AGREEMENT FROM A PRAGMATIC REALITIES STANDPOINT, THE DESIRE FOR COMMERCIAL.

UM, I'M GONNA MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT.

WHAT'S THE CONDITION THAT WITH THE CONTINGENCY IT WOULD BE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

YES, EXACTLY.

YES.

CONTINGENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER KLUM, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR OLIVER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

APPROVED.

IT MOVES FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE.

YEAH.

AND, AND I'LL JUST MAKE ONE MORE QUICK.

UH, SO FOR THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD REALLY HAVE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN SOME OF THAT WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST 10 MONTHS, LIKE EITHER IN OUR PACKET OR BE INFORMED OF THAT.

'CAUSE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION IS VITAL TO US.

SURE.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE, WE CONTINUE TO MISS YEAH.

SOME OF THOSE DETAILS IN OUR PACKET WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.

AND IF IT'S NOT RELEVANT AND IT'S THINGS HAVE CHANGED, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT CAVEATS ON, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO OR WOULD WANT TO DO.

THOSE, THOSE VISUALS ARE, ARE VITAL.

WE CAN INCLUDE IT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UM, JUST LIKE A REALLY SHORT RECAP, THEY DID HAVE A TOURS MEETING.

OKAY.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THEY DISCUSSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT, JUST THE, THE IDEA OF IT BEFORE PROCEEDING

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SO THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT, THAT STARTED IT ALL.

THANKS.

BUT WE CAN INCLUDE MORE DETAILS AND JUST SO THE APPLICANT KNOWS SOME OF THESE MEETINGS THAT DO TAKE PLACE, UH, THE UNOFFICIAL MEETINGS THAT WE'RE NOT A PART OF IT, IT DOES PUT US AT A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, DISADVANTAGE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT SEEING ALL THIS STUFF AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING ALL THE QUESTIONS.

AND SO, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH THAT.

WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THIS STREAMLINED AND, UH, PERHAPS IT'S A GOOD IDEA IN THE FUTURE IF MAYBE AT LEAST ONE PERSON FROM P AND Z SITS IN ON NOT ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAJOR MEETINGS THAT ARE HELD, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, FLESH SOME OF THIS OUT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

[9. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Ordinance Case OR-24-0017 to amend the Subdivision Ordinance to adopt updates to the Parkland Dedication, Park Improvement, and Parkland Fee-in-Lieu regulations and requirements, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas.  Applicant:  City of Leander.

• Discuss and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-24-0017 as described above.  

WELCOME BACK.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UH, AM ALL, YEAH.

OKAY, GOOD.

WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T QUITE SEE THE GREEN BUTTON, BUT GOOD DEAL.

WE ARE, YES, WE ARE, ARE ARE BACK AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING, HAVING ME.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY SINCE SPRING WITH, UH, HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, THE CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE.

UM, AND WE HAVE MADE A COUPLE OF CHANGES, ESPECIALLY TO, UH, THE FEE IN LIEU THAT WAS QUESTIONABLE BY, BY COUNCIL, UH, BACK EARLIER THIS SPRING.

UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING PRETTY DILIGENTLY ON, ON THAT, UH, EVER SINCE.

AND WE'RE BACK TO MOVE, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS WON'T BE AS, AS MAYBE AS DIFFICULT AS THE LAST ONE, UH, FOR YOU, UH, AT LEAST ON, ON SOME LEVEL.

BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE REALLY IN A GOOD POSITION TO, UM, MOVE THIS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AND, UH, GO FORWARD.

SO I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH VERY QUICKLY, JUST A, A BRIEF POWERPOINT.

MOST OF THIS YOU HAVE SEEN, UH, BASICALLY NONE OF THIS HAS CHANGED HERE.

UH, IT'S EXACTLY AS WE HAD HAD COMPLETED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

UH, WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, THE GEOGRAPHIC NEXUS DOES NOW INCLUDE THREE DISTINCT SECTIONS OF THE CITY.

UH, WE WERE AT THE POINT LAST TIME OF EITHER THREE OR FOUR.

WE'VE DETERMINED THREE WOULD BE THE BEST AVENUE.

SO WE'RE CLEAR ON, ON THAT AREA.

YOU RECEIVED A MAP IN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOWS THOSE THREE DISTINCT AREAS AS WELL.

UM, OF COURSE THERE ARE CREDITS FOR PRIVATE PARK LAND AND AMENITIES THAT THE DEVELOPERS PROVIDE.

THERE ARE ALSO CREDITS, UH, FOR SLOPES, FLOODPLAINS, DETENTION PONDS, AND HOW WE, WE LOOK AT THOSE, THEY'RE CREDIT FOR PUBLIC PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PARKS THAT THE DEVELOPERS WILL PROVIDE AS WELL.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CRITICAL FOR US AS WE CERTAINLY DEVELOP A LOT OF OUR TRAILS, UM, AND OTHER PARK SITES THAT CAN BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPERS.

UM, AND THERE'S, UH, OF COURSE, UH, ITEMS THAT RELATE TO OUR ETJ, UH, AND THE TIME LIMIT FOR EXPENDITURES OF THE DEDICATED FUNDS, UM, IS, IS CRITICAL TOO.

WE DON'T HAVE THIS IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

AND SO WE ARE, UM, LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD IF THAT IS FOR ACQUISITION OR DEVELOPMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD RECREATION LAND OR 10 YEARS FOR A COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARK.

WE HAVE FREQUENCY OF ORDINANCE REVIEWS, WHICH IS CRITICAL.

I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT FONT IS SO BIG.

.

IT'S DRAMATIC.

IT'S DRAMATIC.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

YEAH, IT IS.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, BUT THIS IS REALLY CRITICAL AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND YOU SEE SOME OF THE, THE, THE DATA ON, ON THE, UM, UH, FEE IN LIEU THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND LOOKING AT.

SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT COUNSEL REVIEW THIS EVERY THREE YEARS.

THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE IN THE FALL OF 2027, UM, AND PUBLIC ART FUND.

AGAIN, THE DRAMATIC STATEMENT THERE, THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE PUBLIC ART FUND, UH, WHICH, UH, HAS BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL TO PUBLIC ART.

AND, UH, THEY CONTINUE TO DO, ELPAC CONTINUES TO DO A GREAT JOB WITH THEIR, THEIR FUNDING.

SO LET'S, LET'S DIVE INTO THE FEE IN LIEU A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, THE COUNCIL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY A LITTLE BIT, SOME CONSTERNATION OVER WHEN WE WERE CAME TO YOU THE FIRST TIME.

WHEN OF THE, UM, LOOKING AT HOW WE DEVELOPED THE FEE AND LIE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT FAIR MARKET VALUE BASED ON APPRAISALS AND EACH DEVELOPMENT WOULD DO THEIR OWN APPRAISAL.

UM,

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AND SO WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD EMPIRICALLY DIVIDE, DERIVE AT SOME ADDITIONAL NUMBERS WITHOUT GOING INTO THOSE, UH, THAT, UH, FAIR MARKET VALUE OF AN APPRAISAL.

AND SO WE BEGAN LOOKING AT, UH, LOOK, UH, THE, THE ABILITY TO CALCULATE ON A THREE YEAR AVERAGE, THOSE THINGS THAT INCLUDE THE CITY POPULATION, UH, RESIDENTIAL PER RESIDENCE PER UNIT, DEVELOPED PARK ACRES, TOTAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND A TOTAL, TOTAL APPRAISED VALUE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

AND WE DERIVE THAT FROM THE, UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY TAX APPRAISER, UH, DISTRICT AND THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AS WELL.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, UH, TO COME UP WITH THAT.

AND, AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

IT COULD BE YEAR ONE FEE IN LIEU YEAR TWO FEE IN LIEU.

IN YEAR THREE, WE WENT BACK TO 20 22, 23 AND 24.

AND SO THE DEVELOPER SHALL PAY THE FEE IN LIEU TO THE CITY PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT, UM, SHORT FORM PLAT OR IN THE CASE OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPROVAL.

THIS IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE, THIS IS INTERNAL WORKING.

JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT.

AND, AND EVENTUALLY CITY COUNCIL, UH, HOW WE DERIVED AT THESE, UM, THESE NUMBERS, THESE FIGURES.

I'M SORRY FOR THE SKEW ON ON THAT, THAT LINE THERE.

BUT, UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, UH, THE FEE AND LOOP PER UNIT IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS CALCULATED AT $1,676 AND 60 CENTS PER UNIT AND THE TRAVIS COUNTY AT 23 55 13.

AND WE, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE VARIABLES THAT WERE A PART OF THIS FROM POPULATION RESIDENTIAL PER UNIT.

UM, ROBIN, REMIND ME TO RE-LOOK AT SOME OF THIS, UH, POWERPOINT.

IT'S UH, ODD THAT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS JUMPED LIKE THAT, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

UM, WE WILL GET THAT CORRECTED.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, BASICALLY THE 1676 COMES FROM, UH, KNOWING WHAT, UH, THE AVERAGE IS FOR THAT YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO AND YEAR THREE COMING DOWN, 22, 23 AND 24, AND THEN DIVIDING THOSE BY THREE.

AND YOU GET YOUR, YOUR BASIC NUMBER FOR YOUR FEE IN LIEU AMOUNT.

AND THAT CARRIES ON TO TRAVIS COUNTY AS WELL.

UM, AND LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT END.

SO YOU, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE TO COME TOGETHER AND THEN EACH DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE IN TRAVIS COUNTY OR WILLIAMSON COUNTY WILL BE ASSESSED THOSE, THOSE FEES.

AND THEN HERE IS THE DATA SOURCES THAT WE PULLED THAT PULLED THIS FROM AND DEVELOPED.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE, WHICH IS ALSO A CHANGE TO WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING.

BUT THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE PROVO PROVIDED TO YOU LAST YEAR.

WE ARE BASING IT ON THE LAKEWOOD PARK DEVELOPMENT, A HUNDRED ACRES AT $8.2 MILLION.

UH, ESSENTIALLY AN $82,000 COST PER ACRE FOR THAT BACK IN 20 19, 20 18.

UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY 2017, UH, WHEN WE SIGNED THE CONTRACTS.

SO WE, WE DEVELOPED A, UH, 82,000 BY THE 58 DU PER ACRE, FOUR $1,400 PER DU IN PART DEVELOPMENT FEE AS WELL.

SO SORT OF THE SUMMARY, THERE IS FOUR OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY.

OPTION ONE, NO PARKLAND DEDICATION OR IMPROVEMENTS, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE BY THE DEVELOPER.

THERE'S A FEE IN LIEU OF LAND DEDICATION PLUS PARK IMPROVEMENT FEE TO BE PAID THE CITY.

SO IF THEY DON'T WANT ANY, UH, AND WE DO HAVE SOME THAT HAVE DONE THIS, WE, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANY PARK, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, DEVELOP ANY PARK OR SET ASIDE ANY PARK LAND.

THEN THEY WOULD PAY THE FULL AMOUNT TO US.

OPTION TWO IS PARKLAND DEDICATION WITH PRIVATELY OWNED AND MAINTAIN PARK LAND.

THAT'S THE FEE IN LIEU OF DEDICATION PLUS PARK IMPROVEMENTS FEE UP TO 50% THEY CAN RECEIVE TO BE USED BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE REMAINING 50% TO BE PAID TO THE CITY.

OPTION THREE, PARKLAND DEDICATION WITHIN DEVELOPMENT IS A PUBLIC PARK FEE IN LIEU OF LAND DEDICATION PLUS PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES.

UP TO 100% CAN BE CREDITED TO PARK AND FACILITIES ARE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND OPTION FOUR IS AN ALTERNATE PARKLAND DEDICATION, A PARK IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, A CUSTOMIZED PLAN THAT MAY INCLUDE COMBINATIONS OF ALL OUR OTHER OPTIONS.