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[1. Call to Order.]
OKAY.THE NIGHT, THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM AND THE MEETING OF THE LANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING.
[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the October 17, 2024 meeting.]
DIRECTOR'S REPORT.SO I'M, I'M REPORTING ON ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL DURING THEIR OCTOBER 17TH MEETING ON ITEMS THAT WERE FORWARDED TO THEM BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, THE COUNCIL REVIEWED THE NORTHLINE RETAIL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY DID APPROVE THAT REQUEST.
AND THEY ALSO COMPLETED THE SECOND READING OF THE SAN GABRIEL VILLAS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THAT ONE, THE COMMISSION HAD REVIEWED A WHILE BACK AND THEY JUST HAD SOME DELAYS WITH THEIR SECOND READING.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT, UM, IN NOVEMBER WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE THE, UM, FIRST MEETING.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS CANCELED.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARING CASES SCHEDULED, AND IT'S THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING.
AND, UM, DURING OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO NEW PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
SO I WANTED TO THANK COMMISSIONER MOSS AND UM, COMMISSIONER COSGROVE FOR THEIR SERVICE.
AND I'VE APPRECIATED EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE FOR OUR GROUP AND FOR THE CITY.
[4. Review of meeting protocol.]
NEXT IS OUR MEETING PROTOCOL ON THE WALL TO MY LEFT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW THAT.NUMBER FIVE IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO WE WILL SKIP OVER THAT.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA CAN BE PASSED BY ONE.MOTION ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MAY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASS THIS UNANIMOUSLY.
[8. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-24-0025 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance Article V, Section 2(b)(2) to modify the building size requirements, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas.
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ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING.
CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE OR 2 4 0 0 2 5 TO AMEND THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION TWO B TWO TO MODIFY THE BUILDING SIZE REQUIREMENTS STAFF PRESENTATION, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
THIS IS THE, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE PROVIDES THREE COMPONENTS TO MAKE UP A ZONING DISTRICT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY.
THEY INCLUDE THE USE COMPONENT WHICH IDENTIFIES THE PERMITTED USES.
THE SITE COMPONENT DETERMINES THE USES THAT MAY BE CONDUCTED OUTSIDE PHYSICAL SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT REQUIRE ADDS REQUIREMENTS FOR VERTICAL STRUCTURES, INCLUDING THE PERCENTAGE OF WINDOWS DOOR OPENINGS AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
OVER TIME, WE'VE BEEN SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE MINOR PODS REQUESTS TO ALLOW FOR THE INCREASE IN THE MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH TYPE TWO SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO WE DO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING TO ALLOW FOR THAT INCREASE.
WHEN THE PROPERTY IS NOT ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WE ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE REQUIREMENTS TO NOT APPLY TO THE BUILDING SIZE RESTRICTION IN ITS INSTANCES WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN YOUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE LANGUAGE INCLUDES.
WE JUST, UM, CURRENTLY STATES INDIVIDUAL USERS SHALL NOT EXCEED 40,000 GROSS SQUARE FEET FLOOR AREA IN A SINGLE BUILDING.
A SINGLE BUILDING MAY NOT EXCEED 60,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
SO WE ARE LEAVING THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND JUST ADDING THAT IT IS ONLY APPLIED WHEN IT IS NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY OR TWO FAMILY USES.
I'M AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEN I'LL ALSO CLOSE IT SINCE THERE IS NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND WE WILL ENTER INTO DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE, I JUST HAVE, UM, TWO REAL QUICK QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS, 40,000 AND 60,000 AND WHY WE LIMIT THOSE TO, TO TO THAT.
AND, AND THE SECOND ONE, DOES IT SAY WE, A SINGLE USER CAN ONLY OCCUPY 40,000 SQUARE FEET? WHY WOULD THAT BE? WHY COULDN'T THEY TAKE THE WHOLE 60? SO THIS ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE MY TIME AND CORINA'S TIME AND, UM, I COULD ASK THE FORMER DIRECTOR HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS, BUT WE, WE DON'T KNOW.
SO THAT JUST SEEMS KIND OF ODD THAT YOU, YOU, WE LIMIT THAT ONE USER CAN ONLY TAKE UP TWO THIRDS OF, OF A BUILDING.
I THINK IT, THE INTENT, UM, FOR TYPE TWO IS TO BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND THEY WERE PROBABLY TRYING TO AVOID BIG BOX STORES NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A BIGGER BUILDING AND YOU CAN ONLY HAVE, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL USER, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST GUESSING.
I JUST, I THINK THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED GOING FORWARD WITH.
UM, IF AMAZON CAME IN AND WANTED TO TAKE 60,000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM THAT YOU CAN'T DO, THEY WOULDN'T BE A TYPE TWO
BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN A, A POOR, A POOR, A POOR EXAMPLE, BUT STILL, UM, THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER OLIVER? YEAH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO YOU MENTIONED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILIES.
THIS IS REALLY YOUR, UH, SFR ONE B YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
THIS IS NOT LIKE WHEN YOU SAY TWO FAMILY, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE MULTI-FAMILY OR TOWN HOME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ANY OF THIS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THERE'S A LIST OF THEM, BUT EVERYTHING
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UNDER SINGLE FAMILY, UP FAMILY, ANY, ANYTHING UNDER SFR PRETTY MUCH WE'RE SAYING OKAY, IF IT'S OVER 60,000, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL APPROVAL.SO SFR IS JUST LIKE THE, THE LOWEST DENSITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILIES WE HAVE S-F-R-S-F-E-S-F-S-S-F-T, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM.
UM, SO ANYTHING UNDER ALL THE SFS? YES.
I REALLY LIKE THE WAY THE, UH, THIS WAS DRAFTED, UH, REALLY SMARTLY WITH THE EXCLUSION FROM, UH, DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ACTIVELY PURSUING, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND PRIORITIZING COMMERCIAL OVER THAT.
UM, BUT I 100% ECHO AND AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COSGROVE'S.
UH, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THE 40 AND THE 60? UM, I COULD SEE, I MEAN IF THIS WITH THE TYPE TWO, YOU KNOW, DESTINED TO BE NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT STUFF, I CAN SEE MAYBE THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC POLICY ARGUMENT FOR WANTING A MIX OF STORES IF THERE WERE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT PLACE, NOT JUST ONE BIG PLACE.
BUT I I, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
I, I THINK WHILE WE'VE GOT THE HOOD UP ON THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT GETTING RID OF THAT BECAUSE TO ME IT, IT WOULD H IF YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING BUSINESS IN A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY HAS 40, THEIR INABILITY TO TAKE OVER THE REMAINING 20.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO THAT SIZE, 40 AND 60,000, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, SIZE FOR PRIMARY EMPLOYERS, UH, REGARDLESS, YOU KNOW, NOT AMAZON, BUT SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW.
THE SAVINGS CLAUSE, IS THAT JUST BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE IN THERE? DO WE HAVE ANY CURRENT CASES OPEN THAT WE'RE PROSECUTING THAT AND, 'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT PUBLIC POLICY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED ANYWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POINT IN RESERVING OUR RIGHTS TO, TO PROSECUTE SOMETHING.
BUT ARE WE RIGHT NOW? CURRENTLY.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER MAY.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MOSS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED? NONE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MS. GRIFFIN'S, UM, COMMENTS TO THANK COMMISSIONER COSGROVE AND COMMISSIONER MOSS FOR THEIR SERVICE.
COMMISSIONER COSGROVE NINE YEARS LONG TIME.
AND THE TIME IS YES, GO AHEAD.
SORRY, COMMISSIONER, LISTEN, I, I'D LIKE TO DO SO AS WELL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BEING ONE OF THE, WITH COMMISSIONER MAY, WE STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO, AND SO, UH, SEEING, UH, COMMISSIONER MOSS COME ON AND THE JOY AND THE ENTHUSIASM YOU BRING HERE HAS BEEN A, BEEN AN ACTUAL REALLY DELIGHT.
YOUR SMILE, YOUR LAUGHS OH, THANK YOU.
BUT HAVING SET ASIDE COMMISSIONER COSGROVE FOR MOST OF THE PAST FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WISDOM, YOUR INSIGHTS AND WHAT YOU, AND THE VALUE YOU BROUGHT AND THE, THE LOVE YOU BROUGHT FOR THE CITY TO THIS COMMISSION.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY ALL OF YOU GUYS WERE A JOY TO WORK WITH.
I REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED MYSELF.
I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND NOW I KNOW WHO'S SMART
I ALSO, UM, WANT TO EMBARRASS ELLEN FOR A SECOND 'CAUSE THIS IS ALSO HER LAST MEETING.
UM, SHE'S RECENTLY ANNOUNCED HER RETIREMENT WITH THE CITY.
AND, UM, I'M VERY, VERY SAD TO SEE HER GO.
YOU ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS WITHOUT HER, AND I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE THE SAME.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU AND I'M SORRY IF I EMBARRASSED YOU, BUT WE WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE THE LAST 18 YEARS.
SHE WENT EVERYBODY ELSE AND SHE MAY LOSING SOME GOOD, LOSING SOME GOOD PEOPLE ALL AT ONCE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, THE TIME IS NOW 6 0 8 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.