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THANK YOU.[1. Call to Order.]
THE TIME IS NOW 6 0 1 AND THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF LANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, COMMISSIONER LED AND VICE CHAIR COLO.
[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the May 15, 2025 meeting.]
MOVING ON TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, DIRECTOR GRIFFIN.I'M GONNA BE REPORTING ON, UM, ITEMS THAT
UM, THEY DID REVIEW THE OAKWOOD HILLS ZONING CASE AND, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
IT WAS THE, THE SECOND READING OF THE CASE, AND WE HAD TWO ANNEXATIONS.
WE HAD THE, UM, BARKSDALE ANNEXATION, THAT'S PART OF OUR ZONING CASE THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
UM, THEY ACCEPTED THE RESOLUTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULE.
THEN THE NEXT ONE MORE, WE HAD A TREE.
THEY ALSO COMPLETED THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS THE REQUEST FOR COMMERCIAL AT CRYSTAL FALLS.
UM, AND THEN THEY COMPLETED THE REVIEW OF THE TREE REMOVAL REQUEST FOR THE LEANDER TECH PARK, AND THEY DID APPROVE THAT REQUEST.
[4. Review of meeting protocol.]
UH, MOVING ON.WE WILL, UH, TO YOUR RIGHT, TO OUR LEFT IS HOW WE, UH, CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS.
SO YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON COMMENTS TONIGHT ON OR NOT ON THE AGENDA? WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND AT THAT POINT, THERE'LL BE NO BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION WITH, UH, THE COMMISSION.
AND WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.UH, WE JUST HAVE TWO ITEMS TO APPROVE HERE, AND WE CAN APPROVE THAT WITH ONE MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER LAND TRIPP.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORALES.
[8. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Comprehensive Plan Case CPA-25-0017 to amend the Comprehensive Plan land use category from Neighborhood Center to Neighborhood Residential and Zoning Case Z-25-0166 to amend the current zoning of Interim SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to SFC-2-A (Single-Family Compact), SFU-2-A (Single-Family Urban), and SFS-2-A (Single-Family Suburban) on three (3) parcels of land 52.92 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R338810, R407804 and R407805; and generally located at the northwest corner of Journey Parkway and County Road 175, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE CPA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 1 7.
TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AND ZONING CASE Z DASH 25 DASH 0 1 66.
TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING OF INTERIM S FFR ONE B, SINGLE FAMILY RURAL TO SFC TWO, A SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT, SF U2, A SINGLE FAMILY URBAN AND SFS TWO, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN ON THREE PARCELS OF LAND, 52.92 ACRES IN SIZE.
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS, R 3 3 8 8 1 0 R 4 0 7, 8 0 4, AND R 4 0 7 8 0 5.
AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF JOURNEY PARKWAY AND COUNTY ROAD 1 75 LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
HOW YOU DOING? DOING WELL, THANK YOU.
UH, MICHAEL CHENOWSKI PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS AND THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION, WHICH WILL BE HEARD BY A CITY COUNCIL CONCURRENTLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE CITY COUNCIL HEARD A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT DURING THE SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024 MEETING AND UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO NOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST OF ONLY RESIDENTIAL USES AT THIS INTERSECTION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CURRENTLY IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER ENCOURAGES COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT INTERSECTIONS WITH HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL ACTING AS A BUFFER TO THE LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST INCLUDES CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL ONLY IN ORDER FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, UH, IS REQUESTED TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATED ZONING DISTRICT OF THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED DIRECTLY EAST OF THE EXISTING BARKSDALE SUBDIVISION, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, TWO PHASES OF SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT AND SINGLE FAMILY URBAN USE COMPONENTS.
AND THIS REQUEST IS INTENDED TO BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT, UH, EXISTING BARKSDALE SUBDIVISION AS THE THIRD PHASE IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE CURRENT WATER RESOLUTION PRIORITIZES LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONINGS.
THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN USE COMPONENT WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THE RESOLUTION, BUT THE REQUESTED SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT AND SINGLE FAMILY URBAN USE COMPONENTS, UH, WOULD BE CONSIDERED HIGH DENSITY AND ARE NOT RECOMMENDED.
CONVERSELY, THE FU THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER ENCOURAGES NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE NECESSARY
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TO PROVIDE A BUFFER BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTRICTS SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE OR SINGLE FAMILY OR TWO FAMILY ARE MORE APPROPRIATE.THE REQUESTED RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE LOWER DENSITY THAN WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED UNDER THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
BUT DENSER THAN WHAT WOULD THE WATER RESOLUTION WOULD PRIORITIZE IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, THE ZONING REQUEST WOULD STILL NEED TO FACTOR IN THE LIMITATIONS OF THE WATER RESOLUTION.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED EAST OF THE EXISTING BARKSDALE SUBDIVISION.
UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT IS JUST WEST OF THE PARKSIDE SUBDIVISION NORTH OF, UH, PECAN CREEK AND LOST WOODS AND SOUTH OF THE CREEK MEADOW ESTATE SUBDIVISION.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF JOURNEY PARKWAY AND COUNTY ROAD 1 75.
BOTH ARE IDENTIFIED AS ARTERIAL ROADWAYS ON THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
UM, AND JUST TO PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT, UM, RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD IS RIGHT OVER OR PROBABLY OVER HERE.
IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICES MAILED OUT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, THE AGENT IS REQUIRED TO REACH OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ZONED OR USED AS SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN 500 FEET.
THEY CONDUCTED TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UH, MARCH 1ST AND MARCH 15TH.
AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED DURING THAT, UH, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WERE THAT THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS REQUESTED THAT NO COMMERCIAL ZONINGS, UH, BE APPROVED AT THIS INTERSECTION AND THE NORTHERN SUBDIVISION REQUESTED FOR LARGER LOTS.
UH, ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE IS TO INCLUDE LARGER LOTS AT THE NORTHERN BORDER.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THAT, UH, STRIP OF SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN.
AS PART OF THE EVALUATION OF THIS REQUEST, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVE THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
ONE IS TO APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, AND TWO IS TO DENY THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, OPTION TWO, WHICH IS TO DENY THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL BASED ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
DURING THAT HEARING, THE PROPOSED CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY VOTED NOT TO SUPPORT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVE, UH, ANOTHER OPTION REGARDING THE ZONING CASE.
IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS DENIED, UH, THAT OPTION IS TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT NOT BEING APPROVED.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVE THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS FOR THE ZONING REQUEST.
IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, UH, OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE ZONING REQUEST.
OPTION TWO IS TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST.
AND OPTION THREE IS TO APPROVE AN ALTERNATIVE REQUEST, UH, WHICH WOULD LOWER THE DENSITY, UH, OF THE RESIDENTIAL IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE WATER RESOLUTION.
AND THERE WAS A TYPO IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT STAFF WOULD BE RECOMMENDING OPTION THREE IF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE ZONING TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, AND COMPLY WITH THE WATER RESOLUTION.
AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, AND WITH THAT IS THE APPLICANT HERE, AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
I'M A PLANNER WITH KIMLEY HORN ASSOCIATES.
A FEW FOLKS WITH ME THIS EVENING.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ROYCE RIPPE WITH MY HOMES, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, ALEX GRANADOS, UH, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE, THE SIMPSON LEDBETTER FAMILY HERE WHO HAVE, UH, FAITHFULLY STORED THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS NOW.
UM, AS MICHAEL OUTLINED, THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AT THE CORNER OF JOURNEY, UH, ENCOUNTER RED 1 75, REALLY HERE IN THE VERY SOUTH, UH, THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEANDER.
UM, THE BLUE, UH, INDI, THE BLUE MARKINGS ON THE SCREEN REALLY INDICATE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, UH, THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY.
UH, THE GREEN MARKERS INDICATE CIVIC USES WE'RE SURROUNDED BY PRIMARILY SCHOOLS, INCLUDING SOME SCHOOLS, UH, NOT YET ON THE GROUND.
TODAY, LEANDER ISD IS PLANNING, UH, SOME EXPANSIONS TOWARD NORTH, NEAR THE WILD SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, UM, UP NORTH RIGHT AT 2243
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IN REAGAN, WHERE THEY HAVE TWO NEW CAMPUSES FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.UM, TOGETHER THOSE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS AND THOSE SCHOOL, UH, AREAS, UH, MARK, ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, THE AREA SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND IT'S COMPLETELY RESIDENTIAL.
AND ALL THE NON-RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES IN THIS AREA, UM, ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES LIKE THE SCHOOLS AND THE WILLIAMS COUNTY REGIONAL PARK.
UM, WE, UH, IN MY HOMES IS, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PART OF THE CITY, UM, AS THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A FEW SUBDIVISIONS HERE.
NOW, UM, THE LOST WOODS ESTATES SUBDIVISION WAS JUST BEFORE YOU, Y'ALL, UM, LAST FALL FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEY HAVE ALSO, UH, BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE BARKSDALE SUBDIVISION, UH, LOTS OF HOMES UP IN THERE NOW, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, AT BACK IN 2018, UH, THEY BEGAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOST WOODS PRESERVE SUBDIVISION.
THAT SUBDIVISION WAS ACTUALLY IN A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION, UH, AS THIS PROPERTY WHERE THAT REGIONAL CENTER, EXCUSE ME, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, UM, DESIGNATION FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, ACTUALLY WRAPPED, UH, AROUND HERE ON THE CORNER, UH, BACK IN 20 18, 20 19.
WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THE CITY, UM, REALLY BASED ON THE, UH, FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORS AT THE TIME THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WAS REALLY NOT DESIRED, UH, ALONG THE 1 75 CORRIDOR THIS FAR AWAY FROM RONALD REAGAN.
AS MICHAEL OUTLINED, THE ZONING WE'RE REQUESTING THIS EVENING HAS A MIXTURE OF 50 SIXTIES AND 70 FOOT LOTS.
THOSE 70 FOOT LOTS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORS ALONG, UH, THAT TO OUR NORTH.
UM, WE HAD SOME WONDERFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UH, AND THAT WAS REALLY THEIR ONLY ASK WAS TO PROVIDE LARGER HOMES, UH, ADJACENT TO THEM.
WE THEN TRANSITION, UH, IN THE SIZE OF THE HOMES, UH, TO THE SOUTH FROM THE SEVENTIES TO THE SIXTIES, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF PARKSIDE PARKWAY, UH, DOWN TO THE FIFTIES.
THERE IN THE CORNER, YOU'LL NOTE A FEW THINGS.
UH, I JUST MENTIONED THE EXTENSION OF PARKSIDE PARKWAY THAT WILL EXTEND THROUGH THE PROPERTY THAT BISECTS, UH, THE TRACT THIS WAY.
UH, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT LATER THE PRESENTATION THAT, UH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT TO THE SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD BE OFF, UH, UH, NOT ON THAT EXTENSION, PARKSIDE PARKWAY DIRECTLY TO JOURNEY.
UH, YOU ALSO SEE SOME PARKLAND, UH, HERE, ABOUT 2.3 ACRES OF PARKLAND, UH, WHERE, UH, WE'RE PLANNING TO SAVE EXISTING TREES AROUND THE HOMES.
WHEN YOU GO OUT AND VISIT THE SITE, THE HOMES SIT UP ON A LOVELY HILLS SURROUNDED BY VERY MATURE TREES.
UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE OUR LARGEST DETENTION POND DOWN HERE IN THIS CORNER, UH, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PARKLAND, UM, THAT IS REALLY RESPONDING TO THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.
THAT AREA IS REALLY BOTTOM LAND.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER ON THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
UH, I MENTIONED, UH, THESE ARE JUST A SAMPLE OF THE HOMES MI HAS BUILT, UH, HERE IN LEANDER.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING HERE WOULD BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE ARE BUILDING IN BARKSDALE, UH, PRESERVE IT, I'M SORRY, LOST OAKS PRESERVE AND THEIR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
SINCE WE, UH, DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL LAST FALL, WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD, UH, TWO MEETINGS THAT WERE WELL ATTENDED, UM, UH, HOSTED IN THE, UH, PECAN CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US.
REALLY, I CAN SUMMARIZE THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THOSE RESIDENTS IN THREE WAYS.
UM, ONE, UM, THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AN ISOLATED COMMERCIAL USE IN THIS SEA OF RESIDENTIAL AREA BEING A REAL NUISANCE, UM, WITH THE UNKNOWN OF WHAT THAT COMMERCIAL USE COULD POTENTIALLY BE.
UM, CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHT NOISE, TRAFFIC SMELLS, YOU CAN IMAGINE DUMPSTERS AND GREASE TRAPS.
UM, WE'RE A VERY REAL CONCERN AS MANY OF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE HOMES, UM, THAT BACK UP TO THIS PROPERTY OR FACE THIS PROPERTY IN SOME WAY.
THE SECOND CONCERN WAS TRAFFIC.
UH, THIS INTERSECTION HERE OF JOURNEY COUNTY ROAD 1 75 AND PARKSIDE REALLY OPERATES KIND OF AS ONE INTERSECTION.
THERE'S A SIGNAL GOING UP THERE, BUT ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS AND COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC, WE FEEL LIKE WOULD VERY, REALLY COMPLICATE THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SCHOOL ZONES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE LAST PIECE OF FEEDBACK WE HEARD WAS FROM RESIDENTS WAS REALLY THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL LIKE THEY NEEDED, UH, TO BE IN CLOSER PROXIMITY TO COMMERCIAL SERVICES.
UM, YOU HAVE RONALD REAGAN, JUST 1.2 MILES TO THE WEST, AND THEN, UH, WHITE STUNNED ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF, TWO MILES, UH, TO THE SOUTH THERE IN CEDAR PARK.
UM, THIS MAP HERE REALLY ILLUSTRATES, UM, THAT RESIDENT, THOSE RESIDENCE POINTS.
UM, THERE IS ONE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UM, HERE IN FRONT OF THE PARKSIDE MUD, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN NO MAN'S LAND.
IT'S NOT IN LEANER OR GEORGETOWN JURISDICTION.
BUT THEN ALL OF YOUR OTHER COMMERCIAL ACREAGE, UH, IS OVER HERE ALONG THE RONALD REAGAN CORRIDOR.
UM, RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, PARCELS A AND B WERE ADDED, UH, WITH THE BURLESON TRACT REZONING, UH, THAT CAME BEFORE THIS SPOT.
WHEN WE COMPARE THAT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UH, THIS PROPERTY, UH, DEFINITELY BEGINS TO SEEM LIKE AN OUTLIER WITH THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD
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CENTER ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.VERY MUCH SO STANDING OUT FROM, UH, THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OCCURRING THERE ON REAGAN.
AND AS I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, THIS IS THE VERY SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEANDER.
TO OUR WEST IS REALLY ROUND ROCK, ETJ AND THE TEXAS CRUSHED STONE QUARRY TO OUR NORTH.
MORE COMMERCIAL UNTIL YOU GET, SORRY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, UNTIL YOU GET TO 2243.
AND TO OUR SOUTH, MORE RESIDENTIAL UNTIL YOU GET TO WHITESTONE.
UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER HERE REALLY STANDS OUT AS A A BIT OF AN ISLAND.
UM, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER THERE AT CRYSTAL FALLS AND REAGAN FOR ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ACREAGE, UH, THAT WOULD NOT YET BE ENTITLED.
UH, WE SHARED WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, A LITTLE BACKGROUND INTO OUR DESIGN AND, AND HOW WE, UH, CAME UP WITH, UH, OUR DESIGN AND, AND AGREED THAT THIS WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS MAP HERE SPEAKS TO SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC CONSTRAINTS.
UH, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY THREE SCHOOLS.
YOU HAVE AIKEN AND STYLES, UH, TO THE WEST, AND YOU HAVE PARKSIDE ELEMENTARY TO THE NORTH, I'M SORRY, TO THE NORTHWEST.
AND THEN THE TWO NEW SCHOOLS COMING, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UH, THIS ENTIRE INTERSECTION HERE IS ACTUALLY ALREADY SIGNED AS A, UH, S SCHOOL ZONE.
UM, I ACTUALLY DROVE THROUGH THERE TODAY, UM, AT PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIME, UH, AND SAT THROUGH SEVERAL ROUNDS OF FOLKS GETTING IN AND OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, THE SIGNAL AT JOURNEY THE CITY IS ACTUALLY INSTALLING A SIGNAL AT JOURNEY AND CON ROAD 1 75 OVER THAT, UM, WILL CERTAINLY HANDLE LARGER AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC, BUT PRESENTS OTHER AMOUNTS, OTHER PROBLEMS MANAGING TIMING DURING PEAK HOURS.
UM, THESE SCHOOLS HAVE PEAK HOURS SLIGHTLY EARLIER THAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUT THEY DO OVERLAP.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE WOULD, UM, OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM HERE AS WELL.
UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ALSO LIKE DRIVEWAYS OFF OF MAJOR ROADWAYS AND MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT COMMERCIAL DRIVE, COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS ON THOROUGHFARES, UM, REALLY INTERRUPT TRAFFIC AS PEOPLE, UM, PULL OUT AND PULL IN VERY SLOWLY IN FRONT OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND IT CREATES A DISRUPTION THERE.
SPA DRIVEWAY SPACING WOULD ALSO BE AN ISSUE HERE AS WELL.
UM, PROVIDING A DRIVEWAY ALONG THIS FRONTAGE HERE, WE'VE ABOUT 1500 FEET, UH, A FRONTAGE ALONG JOURNEY IN COUNTY ROAD 1 75.
THE DRIVEWAY CAN BE DESIGNED WELL, UM, BUT PLACING IT IN JUST THE RIGHT SPOT SO THAT IT DOESN'T INTERRUPT TRAFFIC, UH, BECOME A SAFETY HAZARD FOR RESIDENTS, OR, UH, CONFLICT WITH THE MEDIAN, UM, WOULD, WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN ISSUE.
I ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THAT TOPOGRAPHY AND DRAINAGE OF THE SITE, IF YOU VISIT THE SITE TODAY, THE INTERSECTION OF JOURNEY AND KEN ROAD 1 75, YOU'LL FIND A MASSIVE HEAD WALL, UM, AND A HUGE DITCH THAT CONVEYS FLOW, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY TODAY UNDER THE INTERSECTION.
UM, AND THEN DOWN INTO THIS TRIBUTARY OF BRUSHY CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH, UH, PRESERVE, SORRY, LOST WOODS PRESERVE AND, UH, PECAN CREEK.
UM, PARTS OF OUR SITE DO FLOW OTHER DIRECTIONS AS INDICATED BY THOSE BLUE ARROWS, BUT THE VAST, UH, VAST MAJORITY OF OUR FLOW, UM, WILL COME THROUGH THAT AREA.
UH, THAT HARD CORNER THERE IS DEFINITELY NOT SUITABLE, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD FORCE IT, UH, ALONG EITHER SIDE THERE, UM, AND MAKE IT, UM, A VERY AWKWARDLY PLACED DEVELOPMENT.
EITHER YOU'RE ON 1 75 WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD FRONTAGE OR YOU'RE THERE ON JOURNEY, UM, WHERE YOU ARE DIRECTLY FACING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, AND CAUSING SOME DISRUPTION THERE ALONG THE ROADWAY WITH YOUR DRIVEWAYS.
SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, UM, WAS THE WATER RESOLUTION.
UM, WE HAVE DONE THE MATH, UM, AND WE DO HAVE AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF LOTS, UH, THAT WE COULD GET OUTTA THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS TOTAL.
HOWEVER, WE, WE ARE NOT REAL SURE THAT IT, THAT IS NECESSARY FOR US TO REALLY COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE WATER RESOLUTION.
PHASE TWO OF THE B-C-R-U-A PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETE IN APRIL OF 2027.
PHASE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD JUST BE ONE SIDE OF PARKSIDE PARKWAY.
UM, WE WILL NOT BE SELLING HOMES AND CLOSING THERE UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2028.
AFTER THAT, UH, PART OF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED AFTER THAT PORTION OF THE B-C-R-U-A PROJECT IS APPROVED.
PHASE TWO A, THE DEEP WATER INTAKE IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED IN MAY OF 2028.
UH, WE WOULD NOT BE CLOSING ON HOMES, UH, IN PHASE TWO UNTIL APRIL OF 2029.
UM, THIS JUST NATURAL TIMING OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ACCOUNTING FOR PERMITTING, DESIGN PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION, UM, KIND OF CREATES A NATURAL, UM, PHASING PLAN FOR US, UM, AS THE CITY INCREASES THEIR WATER CAPACITY.
SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, ROYCE, UH, RIPPY WITHIN MY HOMES THIS YEAR TOLD ME ANSWER QUESTIONS AS YOU'LL HAVE THEM.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS TONIGHT.
SO, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE JUST TO STICK AROUND A LITTLE LATER WHEN WE HAVE OUR GENERAL DISCUSSION, WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK UP AND HAVE SOME
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QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND, AND, AND, AND ROYCE AS WELL.UH, IF I CALL YOUR NAME FOR THOSE WHO, UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT, UH, YOU JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM, JUST, UH, WE GOT A FEW MORE HERE.
UH, JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
SO I HAVE, UH, FIRST ON THE LIST, I HAVE MR. PRAVIN, UH, UH, GOGO LA UH, LADI IS PRAVIN HERE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE PRONUNCIATION OF YOUR NAME, BUT I WILL PRACTICE THAT LATER.
SO I LIVE IN LOST WOODS PRESERVE, UM, RIGHT EX ACROSS THE STREET, JULIAN LANE.
MY ADDRESS IS 3 9 4 5 JULIAN LANE, LEANDER, TEXAS.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED PLANNING OF COMMERCIAL PRO PROPERTIES RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OF MY HOME.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, DURING, UM, PEAK COVERS, UH, TO GET IN, GET ON THE STREET IS VERY HARD, UH, FOR US.
SO WE FEEL LIKE, UM, NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WOULD BE BETTER THAN COMMERCIAL SO THAT, UH, IT WOULD NOT DISTURB THE COM UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, PIECE WE ARE HAVING.
SO THAT IS ONE POINT I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT.
UH, MR. VIN KAARI, CAN I JUST PUT ON A MORE INTERESTING SLIDE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, HI, MY NAME IS BHAVIN QARI AND I'M LIVING AT 3 6 1 6 FULL POINT FAIR LEANDER.
UH, IT'S, UH, PART OF THE NEW, UH, BARKSDALE COMMUNITY.
SO WE ARE VERY NEW TO THIS AREA AND, UH, REALLY LIKE, UH, THE APPEAL OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOUSES THAT WE SEE AROUND.
UM, AND AS THE, UM, AS MY, UH, FRIEND MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC AROUND THERE ALREADY, AND WE DO NOT WANT ANY, UH, NEW COMMERCIAL PROJECT COMING UP, WHICH WILL MAKE, UH, THE TRAFFIC MORE DIFFICULT.
UM, ESPECIALLY, UH, DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS.
UH, WE SEE, UH, LIKE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, UH, DURING SCHOOL TIME.
SO YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH RESIDENTIAL AS POSSIBLE IN, IN THAT AREA.
I WILL MOVE ON TO MR. RAHUL PAWAR.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I LIVE IN A NEWLY BUILT, UM, COMMUNITY CALLED BARKSDALE.
MY ADDRESS IS 2 1 2 1 LOLO LANE.
UM, AND WE ARE ALSO A NEW RESIDENCE HERE, YOU KNOW, MOVED FROM, UM, OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMING CLOSER TO WHERE WE ARE LIVING, UH, ONE AS THEY MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
AND OTHER THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS AROUND TWO SCHOOLS ARE PRETTY CLOSE BY FROM WHERE WE LIVE IN.
SO IN THE PEAK HOURS, IT MAKES REALLY DIFFICULT TO EVEN TAKE AN EXIT FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO GO OUT ONTO THE MAIN ROAD.
SO TRAFFIC IS ALREADY, UH, DIFFICULT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY, I MEAN, POSSIBLY AWAY FROM THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER CLOSER TO US.
UH, I HAVE A, UH, MS. ANITA, UH, TRIVI.
UM, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT AND ZONING REQUEST ON TWO CRITICAL GROUNDS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, IT DIRECTLY UNDERMINES THE CITY'S OWN WATER POLICY.
UH, JUST LAST WEEK, THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED A SOBERING AND REALISTIC ASSESSMENT OF LAND'S WATER OUTLOOK IN THE FACE OF AN ONGOING DROUGHT, COUPLED WITH THE ORDINANCE THE COUNCIL PUT IN PLACE IN OCTOBER OF 2022, WHICH CLEARLY PRIORITIZES LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AS A STRATEGIC RESPONSE TO BOTH IMMEDIATE AND LONG-TERM CONSTRAINTS ON THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM.
UH, THIS REQUEST FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN AND SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP.
UH, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOPE FOR A WET YEAR.
IT IS TIME TO UPHOLD THE VERY POLICY LEANDER ADOPTED TO PROTECT THE CITY'S LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, NUMBER TWO, IT VIOLATES THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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NO COMPELLING REASON WHY THIS PARTIAL SHOULD RECEIVE AN EXCEPTION TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER IS EX EXPECTED TO CONFORM.UM, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED PROPOSAL WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, UH, COMPONENT ENTIRELY WITH NO REMAINING COMMERCIAL USES AND NO TRANSITION ZONES.
UH, WHILE I DO NOT LOVE THE LAND FREE LAND USE MAP, UM, IT'S THE CITY'S LEAP AWAY FROM A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND FINDING BALANCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THIS WOULD SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR MORE PIECEMEAL EROSION OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH I ALREADY FEEL SKEWS HEAVILY TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL REPRESENTS, UM, A DOUBLE DEVIATION FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FROM THE CITY'S RECENTLY ADOPTED WATER MANAGEMENT POLICY.
FOR THE SAKE OF INTEGRITY, CONSISTENCY, AND LONG-TERM PLANNING, I ASK THAT YOU REJECT BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING CHANGE.
HOW YOU DOING? JIM MOORE, I FROM 2304 ECHO PARK DRIVE, AND THAT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF JOURNEY IN ECHO PARK.
SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.
AND I THINK THE, UM, RETAIL WOULD BE A REALLY BAD IDEA 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL SURROUNDED BY HOUSING IN THAT AREA AND THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR IT.
AND RONALD REAGAN'S REALLY NOT THAT FAR AWAY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR COMMERCIAL NEEDS.
I'M JUST TOTALLY OPPOSED TO ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND I'M FINE WITH THE HOUSING BEING INVOLVED.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I AM, UH, BASED OUT OF 3 6 1 2 WOLF POINT WAY IN THE BOXDALE COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT ALL THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, UH, AND, UH, RECOMMEND A RESIDENTIAL ONLY UNIT VERSUS, UH, ANY COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
MAINLY, UH, DUE TO THE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY, THE TRAFFIC SITUATION, AS WELL AS THE WATER RESOURCING AS MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA CHOOSE EXISTING RESIDENCE, QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, PEACE AND GREENERY AROUND VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL INTEREST.
UH, I HAVE A MR. UH, RAUL, UH, MARDA.
UM, MY NAME IS RABI MARADA AND I, UH, LIVE AT THE PARKSDALE IN THE, UH, PHASE ONE COMMUNITY AT TWO AND ONE THREE SWAY.
AND, UM, AS MANY OF MY FRIENDS MENTIONED, ONE OF THE VERY REASONS I MOVED TO LEANDRO IS BECAUSE I'M HAVING A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THE TRAFFIC.
UM, NOT JUST AT THE P CARS, BUT ALSO IN THE REGULAR HOURS ALREADY.
UH, AND BUILDING A COMMERCIAL SPOT, UM, WOULD DEFINITELY SPIKE UP THAT.
UM, SO I RESPECTFULLY URGE ALL OF YOU, UM, TO TRY TO AVOID BUILDING A ANOTHER COMMERCIAL ZONE, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THEM IN A CLOSE VICINITY.
UM, AND WOULD REQUEST, UH, AND HOPE THAT YOU WOULD HELP US OUT THERE.
I HAVE, UH, SKYLAR WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER.
SKYLER WILLIAMS, 1955 COUNTY ROAD 1 75, LEANDER, TEXAS 7 8 6 4 1.
UM, THERE WAS ACTUALLY COMMUNITY OUTRAGE BACK IN 2018 WHEN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR LOST WOODS PER PRESERVED JUST SOUTH OF, OF THIS PROPERTY CAME OUT.
AND LITERALLY THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, UH, BETWEEN DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND EVEN DOZENS THAT THEY CAME TO SPEAK HERE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT COMMERCIAL IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND IT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE, THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU COMPARE THE, EVEN DESPITE THE ROAD DESIGNATIONS, UM, AS ARTERIALS, IF YOU COMPARE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO ANY OF THE REST IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE.
AND COMMERCIAL IS, IN MY OPINION, ESPECIALLY NOT APPROPRIATE HERE, JUST DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO RONALD REAGAN.
THERE, THERE WILL ALREADY BE COMMERCIAL ON JOURNEY PARKWAY ON THIS SIDE OF RONALD REAGAN.
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DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE FEASIBLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.UH, THERE ARE SCHOOL ZONES IS ALSO A HIGHLY PEDESTRIAN DEMOGRAPHIC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING.
SO OTHER TURNS IN AND OUT OF, OF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A GOOD THING.
I MEAN, THE PEOPLE DON'T NEED IT.
I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WITH THE FORMS. IF, IF YOU ARE AGAINST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
OKAY, SO EVERYBODY IS FOR, OR ALL OF THOSE HANDS ARE FOR APPROVING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, JUST LIKE WHAT WAS DONE IN 2018, THAT THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WILL SAY, MI DID IT BACKWARDS LAST TIME.
THEY, THEY WENT WITH WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID, AND THE COMMUNITY REVOLTED THIS TIME.
THEY HAVE BEEN PHENOMENAL ABOUT ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, LISTENING TO FEEDBACK, AND PUTTING TOGETHER A VERY SENSIBLE AND PLAN THAT THAT MAKES SENSE CONSIDERING ALL THOSE THINGS, THE SCHOOL ZONES, THE WATER DRAINAGE, THE SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SO I, I WANT TO THANK, AM I FOR DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY THIS TIME? THANK YOU.
I HAVE ON KIT, UH, ANI AND YOU ALREADY YEP.
DID, DID ALL Y'ALL FILL OUT TWO CARDS? I'M JUST, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY I HAVE SO MANY CARDS HERE.
UM, TRYING TO GET SIX MINUTES UP HERE.
I LIVE IN, UH, 2 1 1 7 LORO LANE, LEANDRO, TEXAS.
UH, SO I, I, UM, URGE YOU TO, UH, KINDLY BUILD A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OVER THE LAND THAT WE HAVE JUST DISCUSSED.
UH, THE REASON BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, WE OPPOSE BUILDING THE COMMERCIAL COMPLEXES OR THE BUILDINGS OVER THERE, IS THAT IT WOULD ATTRACT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
AND, UH, SINCE IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL ZONES, AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING VERY CLOSE TO RONALD REAGAN, WHICH IS JUST WITHIN A MILE.
AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS WALKING AROUND THAT PLACE, UH, NEAR THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED ABOUT.
UM, I, I FEEL IT'S, UM, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO BUILD RESIDENTIALLY COMPLEX, UH, BUILDINGS OVER THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SUPPORT THE, UM, COWS OR, OR THE, UM, THING THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT.
SO, UM, MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
SO I URGE YOU TO KINDLY PROTECT YOU.
I HAVE A, UH, UGANDA HAR YOU GOT.
I'M FROM 2 1 1 3 LOLA LANE, LEAN, TEXAS.
I'M THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THAT, UH, UH, COMMUNITY.
WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RIGHT NOW ON THE JOURNEY PARK WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND ALSO IT IS, UH, LOT OF RESIDENTIAL ZONES ARE THERE, UH, ALL WHAT, WHATEVER OUR COLLEAGUES ARE ALREADY EXPLAINED, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE RATHER THAN THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE OF, UH, VARIOUS REASONS, WHICH WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED BY EVERYBODY.
MY ADDRESS IS 2 7 2 4 HUDSON LANE, LEANDER, TEXAS 7 8 6 4 1.
UM, I DO SUPPORT TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AREA, NOT JUST FOR, UH, THE SAFETY OF MY KIDS.
UM, THERE, MY, MY KID GOES TO THE AKINS ELEMENTARY, AND, UH, I SEE A LOT OF KIDS GOING AROUND WALKING DOWN THE ROAD AND HAVING MORE COMMERCIAL.
HAVING A COMMERCIAL OVER THERE WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC.
THAT WILL BE A REAL CONCERN FOR THE CASE.
RIGHT NOW, TRAFFIC IS INCREASING PRETTY ENORMOUS, SO THIS WOULD ADD MORE, UH, TO THE SAFETY.
IT'LL ADD MORE CONCERNS FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS.
UH, RON, UH, RONALD REAGAN AND, UH, 1431 IS PRETTY NEAR TO US.
WE ARE FINE DRIVING TO THIS AREA.
IT'S ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL COMPLEX, SO WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE COMMERCIAL, UH, FOR THAT LAND.
I HAVE, UH, SANDESH, UH, IS THAT, UH, OCHELLA POLY? YES.
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HEY, THIS IS, HI, THIS IS SANDESH.I LIVE IN, UH, 2 3 3 7 MILLBROOK GROUP.
AND, UH, AS, UH, SKYLER, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, HE MENTIONED THAT WE CAME HERE FOR LAST FOOD LAST TIME, THE SAME PROPOSAL IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE ON THE, IN, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, THEY TOLD THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FAVOR TO THE CITY WHO LIVES HERE.
NOT THE FAVOR OF, UH, THIS VERSUS WERE, UH, BUILDING, UH, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
IF LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ZONE OF HERE, UH, EVERYTHING IS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING EQUAL NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE EQUAL STYLE OF HOMES, NOT A SMALL HOMES.
AND, UH, I WANT TO ADDRESS ABOUT THE WATER DISTRICT PROBLEM.
I KNOW I WENT TO THE, SO MANY COMMUNITIES NEAR TO THE LAKE ELEMENTARY.
THERE IS A MORE COMMUNITIES COMING.
I THINK THE CITY PROPOSED THEM TO PUT A 70 FEET LOT.
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE ALSO APPLICATION IS ALSO ASKING FOR 70 FEET LOT.
WHY CAN'T YOU BUILD A COMMERCIAL AROUND THE SCHOOL? WHY YOU WANT TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL AROUND THE, AROUND THE, ANOTHER CORNER WHERE THERE IS AN A, A FLOOD ZONE WILL BE THERE.
THE AREA WHERE IF YOU CAN MAP, HE POINTED OUT THAT AREA IS ACTUALLY FLOOD ZONE.
WHEN THE WATER COMES ENTER JOURNEY, JOURNEY PARKWAY WILL BE, WILL BE FLOODED WITH THE WATER.
AND WE CANNOT EVEN TAKE A ROUTE THERE.
THAT IS A PROBLEM WE NEED TO SOLVE FIRST.
INSTEAD OF FIGHTING BETWEEN, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.
THAT IS THE FOCUS WE NEED TO DO THAT THESE ACTUALLY ADDRESS IN THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO WITH THIS APPLICATION AND REQUESTING EVERYONE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IS SWATHI HERE? THAT'S MY DOG.
ALRIGHT, MS. SWATI, YOU COME UP AND HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK? MM.
YOU WANT SOMEONE HELP HER WITH A MICROPHONE SO WE CAN HEAR HER? THANK YOU.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT LIKE MY, UM, MY NAME IS SWATI AND, UM, I LIVE IN LAS WOODS PRESERVE.
AND I, AND IN, AND WHEN I GO TO SCHOOL, MY DAD AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
MY DAD HAS TO PICK ME UP AND THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT I THINK WE SHOULDN'T LIKE DO SHOPS.
AND YOU SEE I GOT EVEN SOMETHING HERE AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I LIVE IN LAST WOODS PRESERVE.
UM, JUST A BLUE THING AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, I LIVE EXACTLY ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE ARE PRIMARILY LIKE COUPLE OF ISSUES.
THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS WITH A LOT OF STUDENTS, THE ACHING AND STYLES MIDDLE AND THE PARKSIDE ELEMENTARY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS WHEN THEY GO TO SCHOOL, THEY USE BIKING FROM PARKSIDE COMMUNITY ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE EXACT INTERSECTION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO ACHING OR THEY'RE GOING TO STYLES.
AND ALSO SOME KIDS THEY USE, UH, SKATING OR, UM, THE SCOOTER TO GO.
SO THAT INTERSECTION IS PRETTY UNSAFE FOR ANY MORE TRAFFIC THAN IT'S ALREADY ON.
SO BRINGING ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, PUT A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS THERE.
AND COMING TO THE, UH, SHOPPING AND COMMERCIAL THERE, IF YOU GO LIKE COUPLE OF MILES WEST, RONALD REAGAN IS FULL OF COMMERCIAL.
AND IF YOU GO ONE MILE SOUTH ON THE NEW HOPE ON COUNTY ROAD 1 75, THERE'S A NEW COMMERCIAL JUST POPPING UP.
THERE'S A GAS STATION AND SOME COMMERCIAL COMING THERE.
SO AT THAT INTERSECTION, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO NEED AND IT'S NOT WANTED.
SO PLEASE, I URGE ALL OF YOU TO HELP BRING IN MORE HOMES FOR SAFETY FOR THE KIDS WHO ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AND REDUCE THE TRAFFIC AND HELP KIDS REACH THE SCHOOL ON TIME.
THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UH, NEXT UP I HAVE A MANHAR KARU.
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7 8 6 4 1.IT'S, UH, IT COMES UNDER CLICK AND CREEK COMMUNITY HAS ALL MY FRIENDS FROM ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES.
THEY, THEY EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY COMING UP THERE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT I WOULD REQUEST AND URGE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO RE CONCERN, LOOK AT THE CONFIDENTIAL PLAN AND OPPOSE THE RETAIL PLAN OUT THERE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF LARGE FOODS COMMUNITY.
MY ADDRESS IS 2 6 2 1 ROAD RIVER TRAIL.
I'M A PRESIDENT FOR, UH, CURRENT HUA BOARD, AND I REPRESENT ABOUT TWO 20 HOMES HERE AND HAVE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AS THEY'RE GONNA SPEAK.
UM, I WANT TO OPPOSE, UH, THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT, UH, CORNER.
UH, I THINK THREE MAIN FACTORS.
ONE IS DEFINITELY, UH, UH, MY FRIENDS TALKED ABOUT, UH, UM, THE SCHOOL ZONE.
UH, KIDS WALKING AROUND, KIDS GO ON BIKES, AND DEFINITELY MIDDLE SCHOOL IS, UH, AROUND THE CORNER.
A LOT OF, UH, LARGE FOOD PRESERVE COMMUNITY KIDS, UH, TAKE BICYCLES TO THE SCHOOLS.
UH, HAVING COMMERCIAL WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT, UH, THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE SCHOOL INDEPENDENTLY AND ALSO, UH, IMPACTS THEIR, UH, ABILITY TO, UM, UH, GO TO THE SCHOOLS ON THEIR OWN.
THE SECOND THING IS, UH, IF YOU REALLY NOTICE, UH, LARWOOD HAS SPENT A LOT OF, UH, UH, GOOD PLANNING, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, KEEPING THE GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE IN THAT CORNER.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE, UH, WHICH DEPENDS ON THAT, UH, CORNER OF THE LOTS.
HAVING ANOTHER SIDE GREEN LIGHT.
UH, THE GREEN AREA HELPS A LOT FOR THE BIRDS AND THE WILDLIFE AROUND IT.
AND, UH, CONSIDERING THERE'S A MORE ENTIRE STRETCH IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, THAT IS VERY HIGHLY CONSTITUTED AREA.
WE SEE A LOT OF WILDLIFE, UH, KIND OF RIGHT NOW CENTERED.
SO HAVING COMMERCIAL WILL ALSO DISTURB THAT, UH, WILDLIFE SITUATION.
UH, AND THE THIRD POINT IS, UH, UH, THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS DEFINITELY IS GONNA INCREASE, UH, WITH THE COMMERCIAL.
AND, UH, CONSIDERING WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO RONALD REAGAN, UH, WE ALL WILL FIT INTO RONALD REAGAN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, I REQUEST, UH, BOAT TO, UH, UH, UH, THE CONSULT TO CONSIDER THE ESSENTIAL, ESPECIALLY THE, NOT THE HIGH DENSITY, BUT THE, THE 70 FOOT OR 60 FOOT LOTS.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY.
I LIVE AT 2 4 2 4 LARGE FOODS BEND.
UH, I'M THE PART OF THE HYA BOARD OF DIRECTOR.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ALREADY TOLD ABOUT THIS.
WE OPPOSE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE AND KEEP IT ONLY RESIDENTIAL IF POSSIBLE.
MORE LIKE A 60, 70, 80 FOOT LIKE, UH, UH, LOTS THERE.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEP INTO THE MORE POINTS THAT, UH, PEOPLE INTERACTED BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING.
SCHOOLS ONE EXAMPLE I WANTED TO GIVE, LIKE WHEN WE GO DROP THE KIDS AND PICK UP THE KIDS WHEN TAKING LIKE FIVE, SIX MINUTES TO EVEN ENTER JOURNEY PARKWAY AND, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THE LINE TO GO TO THE SCHOOL AND EVEN COME OUTSIDE.
SO IF YOU HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL, IT'LL ALSO, IT'LL PUT MORE STRAIN INTO THE JOURNEY PARKWAY RIGHT NOW THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, DE DETERIORATE MORE.
AND ALSO, WE HAVE TONS OF COMMERCIAL HERE, WHICH IS EVEN VACANT TENS AND THOUSANDS OF COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS VACANT RIGHT ON THE RONALD REAGAN.
AND EVEN MORE COMMERCIAL IS GONNA COME ON THE JOHNNY PARKWAY SIDE AS WELL.
SO I THINK, UH, WE REQUEST YOU TO ONLY GRANT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.
I HAVE A, UH, MR. TIM THORNTON ALL CITY COUNCIL.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, UH, PLAYING GROUNDHOG DAY AGAIN TODAY.
SO EIGHT YEARS AGO, I'M PRETTY SURE NONE OF YOU WERE HERE EIGHT YEARS AGO.
BUT, UH, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE HERE WHEN WE THOUGHT WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED THIS CASE AND GOT THE WHOLE LAND MAP FOR THIS CORNER TAKEN CARE OF.
SKYLAR AND I WERE QUITE SURPRISED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE SHOWED UP AND WE MET WITH, WITH ROYCE AND WITH THE DEVELOPERS, AND DISCOVERED THAT ONLY HALF OF THE LAND MAP GOT CORRECTED THAT THE SOUTH EDGE OF THAT CORNER OF, OF COUNTY ROAD 1 75 AND JOURNEY PARKWAY WAS ERASED.
AND THE NORTH SIDE, THE SAME MIRROR IMAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT THAT WE FOUGHT AND GOT CORRECTED AND GOT TAKEN OFF.
THE LAND MAP GOT LEFT ON THERE.
SO I GUESS WE'RE AT FAULT FOR NOT GOING BACK AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT DIDN'T GET ERASED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THE ISSUES THAT WE RAISED EIGHT YEARS AGO HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE AT THAT POINT.
WE HAD PECAN CREEK, WE HAD, UH, LOST WOODS HAD NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
BARKSDALE HAD NOT BEEN, WAS NOT, UH, ON THE RADAR YET.
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WERE TALKING ABOUT LOST WOODS, UH, SOME OF THE, THE OTHER THREE COMMUNITIES OR FOUR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE SCHOOLS BEING FINISHED UP AT THAT POINT IN TIME.SO IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, WE'VE HAD HOW MANY RICE? WE'VE HAD 400, 500 ADDITIONAL HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN ALL OF THIS IS SAID AND DONE, ROUGHLY 10 COMMUNITIES, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON JOURNEY PARKWAY, THIS IS AIKEN AND STYLES.
ALL OF US HAVE CHILDREN, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OLD GUY, LITTLE KIDS AT HOME.
ALL OF US EVERY DAY MAKE THIS COMMUTE.
IF WE'RE FIVE MINUTES OUTTA SYNC, THAT IS, WE DON'T SHOW UP 35 MINUTES BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.
WE'RE GONNA SPEND ABOUT 15 TO 20 MINUTES IN LONG, LONG, FAST MOVING LINES OF CARS, OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUTTA THESE COMMUNITIES, AND THEN ARE SITTING ON JOURNEY PARKWAY WAITING TO TURN INTO ACHING AND STYLES.
TODAY WAS GRADUATION, PARKING LOTS WERE FULL, THE GRASS WAS FULL.
JUST THE ACHING GRADUATION, EVERYTHING WAS FULL.
CARS WERE EVERYWHERE, PEOPLE WERE EVERYWHERE.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS EVERY DAY.
THAT'S WHAT THESE PARENTS AND THESE CHILDREN DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WE SIT IN CARS AND WE SIT ON JOURNEY PARKWAY AND WE WAIT TO GET OUR KIDS IN AND OUTTA THE SCHOOL.
OKAY? THE PROBLEM, AND IT'S GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, IT'S GONNA GET A LOT WORSE BEFORE IT'S ALL OVER.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE COMMUNITY BEING THERE.
WE'RE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE RISK OF HAVING ANOTHER POINT FOR OUR CHILDREN TO WALK TO, TO BIKE TO, AND TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC WHEN WE CAN DRIVE TWO MILES AND BE ON RONALD REAGAN TO HAVE HUNDREDS OF STORES.
I HAVE A, UH, AKIL, UH, THE MACHETE.
MY NAME'S AKIL AND I'M STANDING HERE BECAUSE, UM, I'M AGAINST, UH, THE RIGHT OF BUILDING COMMERCIAL, UM, PROPERTIES IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUILDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE COMMUNITY IS INADEQUATE BECAUSE, UH, BUILDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CAN IN INCREASE THE, UM, REDUCTION OF PLANT RISK.
AND IT CAN ALSO, UM, INCREASE THE RISK OF DISRUPTION OF ANIMALS.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY REGIONAL PARK AND IT'S, IT HAS A LOT OF DEERS AND OTHER, AND OTHER ANIMALS.
AND, UM, THEY BASICALLY, THEY, THEY'RE NOCTURNALS SO THEY GET IN THE NIGHT.
SO BUILDING A COMMERCIAL, UM, BUILDING CAN INCREASE TRAFFIC.
AND THIS CAN ALSO CREATE NOISE POLLUTION AND, AND AIR POLLUTION IN THE AREA, WHICH CAN AFFECT THE COMMUNITIES AND THE PLANTS AND HOW, AND HOW SOME ANIMALS POLLINATE.
UM, BUILDING COMMERCIAL AREAS SUCH AS THE THREE, TWO ACRES IN THE MIDDLE, NEAR, UM, JOURNEY PARKWAY, UH, IT CAN AFFECT THE SCHOOL ZONES BECAUSE THE SCHOOL ZONES USUALLY HAVE A TRAFFIC LIMIT AND CHANGES ARE LIKE ONE TO 10 PEOPLE MIGHT GO OVER SPEEDING AND THAT CAN INCREASE, LIKE, UH, RISK OF SUSPENSION, OF LICENSE.
AND ALSO, UM, ON RONALD REAGAN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF NEW INCREASING STORES.
LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT RONALD REAGAN, THERE'S SMALL APARTMENTS THAT HAVE, UM, MAT, MAT MAT CENTERS AND OTHER CENTERS.
AND THIS IS, UM, SLOWLY DEVELOP DEVELOPING.
SO, UM, BUILDING COMMERCIAL CENTERS IS BAD AND ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY NEAR, UM, WILD SPRINGS THAT CAN INCREASE TRAFFIC AND IT'S NEAR A POND.
SO YEAH, IT CAN, IT CAN INFECT THE AGRICULTURE AND THE OVERALL RIGHTS.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVE IN THE LAST VILLAGE PRESERVE.
MY ADDRESS IS 2 3 2 9 ROWING RIVER TRAIL.
UH, THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE ALREADY SAID.
IF YOU SEE OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY, UH, JUST ABOUT THE PARKSIDE ELEMENTARY THERE, YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY CALLED PARKSIDE ON THE RIVER, WHICH IS ALSO ZONED FOR THE SAME HIGH SCHOOLS, ROS AND VISTA.
SO IF YOU SEE, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE ROAD AND THE SHORTEST WAY FOR THEM IS TO TAKE TO THE PARKSIDE AND THEN COME BACK THROUGH JOURNEY.
SO WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS 2000 MORS HOMES TRYING TO GET THE SAME HIGH SCHOOLS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WHATEVER WE SEE ON THE MAP IS JUST A PART OF THE PICTURE.
THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE AND OF COURSE IT WILL HELP, UH, TO NOT HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL THING THERE.
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UM, HI.UM, I WORKED WITH BOTH THE LEANDER SCHOOLS AS A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER AND IT JUST TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO GET OUT OF THE SCHOOLS DURING THE TRAFFIC TIME, AND I JUST DON'T WANT ANY RESIDENTIAL AREA AS WELL AS NO MORE COMMERCIAL AREA COMING UP THERE.
IT JUST ADDS MORE AND MORE TIME TO CROSS THAT ZONE, BASICALLY.
ALRIGHT, UM, WITH THAT, IS ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM EIGHT TONIGHT? THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN OR HAS NOT SIGNED UP? UH, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, BUT GREAT COMMENTS BY THE WAY.
WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION.
UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH COMMISSIONER MAHAN TO MY RIGHT.
UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY I LOVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT HERE AND ALSO THE DEVELOPER WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UH, OFTENTIMES WE SEE AS, UH, TIM SAID, SORRY, SIR, I I DIDN'T GET YOUR LAST NAME.
SO, BUT AS TIM SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, OR, OR SKYLER, ONE OF YOU TWO SAID THAT EARLIER THAT THEY DID IT BACKWARDS THE FIRST TIME, RIGHT? AND SO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS GONNA HELP HELP YOUR CASE.
UM, I I, I'LL ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT FOR, FOR ALL OF YOU HERE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS COMMISSION TONIGHT, YOU NEED TO COME BACK OUT HERE AGAIN FOR CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL SAY AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE YOU WANNA LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD, ESPECIALLY SWARTHY AND IL RIGHT? YOU GUYS WERE GREAT.
I I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS AKIL ABOUT, UH, UH, HOW YOU PRESENTED YOURSELF AS WELL.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST AMAZING.
UH, BUT MY FIRST QUESTION IS REALLY FOR STAFF.
AND IT'S, UM, AS I WAS DOING MY RESEARCH, UH, IN, IN THE FIVE AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THE, THE, THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
AND THEN AS I DID MY OWN RESEARCH, UM, HAD, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, WAS THIS AREA ADDED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AFTER THE COMP PLAN WAS APPROVED.
AND I ONLY ASK THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 79 ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS RIGHT HERE IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
AND YOU COULD SAY IT'S A SMALL AREA, BUT WE HAVE THINGS OUT ON 1431 THAT ARE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS THAT ARE CLEARLY MARKED ON THIS MAP RIGHT HERE.
SO I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THIS WAS ADDED AFTER THE COMP PLAN OR NOT.
SO IF YOU WANNA GO TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION, I CAN DO SOME QUICK RESEARCH OKAY.
AND FIGURE OUT WHEN IT CAME IN.
WELL, WELL, I MEAN, IT ACTUALLY, SOME OF MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE PREDICATED ON THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF, I'LL KIND OF GO TO THE NEXT, NEXT QUESTION.
SO, UM, WE'RE COMP PLAN'S FIVE YEARS OLD, SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING, THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION AS WE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN AGAIN.
SO IN STAFF'S OPINION, IS THIS THE RIGHT AREA FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? WHICH IS WHY I SAID THE FIRST ONE MIGHT BE PREDICATED, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY FURTHER ONES MIGHT BE PREDICATED ON THAT.
SO, 'CAUSE I THINK THESE ARE FOUNDATIONAL TYPE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE IF THIS WASN'T A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AT FIRST, THEN WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT, RIGHT? IF IT WAS, THEN ARE WE STILL THINKING IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR IT? SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING HERE.
HEY, CAN I, CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK THERE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK PART OF OUR, PART OF YOUR ANSWER MIGHT BE BASED ON WHAT, WHAT SKYLAR SAID EARLIER, BACK IN 20 18, 6 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE FIGHTING THIS, THAT THEY HAD IT REMOVE THAT BOTTOM PORTION.
SO I'M JUST MAKING THE GENERAL ASSUMPTION THAT MAYBE, BUT IN 20, THAT WAS 2018, BUT THE COMP PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2020, SO THAT'S WHY, SO CORRECT.
SO THE COMP PLAN IS MORE RECENT THAN THAT DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WERE AT WITH OUR COMP PLAN.
I WAS HERE IN 2018 AND THE WAY I RECALL IT IS THERE WAS A CENTER THERE AND WE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE ARE ONLY DEALING WITH THE PARCELS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA FOR THAT EVENING.
SO WE ADDRESSED THE PARCELS IN THAT, UH, FOR THAT CASE.
AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGED, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES MADE TO RESIDENTIAL.
NOW I, UH, GOT OFF, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE IN 2019 ABOUT THE TIME YOU CAME ON AND THE COMP PLAN WAS REDONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS DONE TO IT THEN, BUT, BUT THERE, THE REASON THAT IT DIDN'T ALL GET DONE IS BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE CAN'T SIT UP HERE AND VOTE ON PARCELS THAT ARE NOT POSTED AND NOTIFIED AND PART OF OUR AGENDA.
WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON THE CASES AT HAND.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT HELPS ANY, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M RECALLING FROM MY MEMORY OF IT.
AND MAYBE THAT GAVE ROBIN JUST A FEW MINUTES
WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT HERE, ROBIN.
I I KNOW WE WE'RE, WE'RE TAP DANCING FOR YOU, FOR YOU, ROBIN.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
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ROY.UH, AND AS SKYLAR MENTIONED, WE CAME FORWARD, UH, IT WAS, THE COMP PLAN WAS SIMILAR, IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
WE CAME FORWARD WITH A PLAN, A SMALL COMMERCIAL, REALLY SMALL LOTS, AND THIS CHAMBER WAS MORE FULL THAN IT WAS TODAY.
UM, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE TABLE, CAME, CAME BACK WITH, UH, 1560 FOOT LOTS, AND, UM, WE DEVELOPED LOST WOODS, WHICH I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE SUPPORT SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE TALKED TO ROBIN A LOT ABOUT THIS AND STAFF AND, AND CITY COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE IN A TOUGH SPOT.
I, I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT IGNORING THE COMP PLAN, YOU KNOW, OR THE, UH, WATER RESTRICTIONS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT.
MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE JUST COME OUT TO OPPOSE US.
UH, BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S SUPPORT COMING OUT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE TIMING AS IT RELATES TO THE WATER.
UH, WE'VE RUN THOSE, UH, NUMBERS OUT.
UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T EXPECT TO CLOSE HOMES UNTIL FIRST QUARTER OF 2028.
UH, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
SO ANYWAY, I'M HERE TO A ANSWER.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, ROYCE, UH, DONNIE.
UM, SO, SO ROBIN, WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING? I, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE GOT IT.
UM, THERE WAS A, A PUSH IN 2022 TO MAKE UPDATES, UH, TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE WE ADDED SEVERAL COMMERCIAL AREAS, AND THIS WAS ONE OF 'EM.
SO THEN I, I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN, ARE THERE OTHER, I MEAN, NON-MAJOR ROADS AS, AS WAS POINTED OUT, THE, THE ONLY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS ARE ON ROADS LIKE LAKELINE, BAGHDAD, 180 3 A BELL, RONALD REAGAN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS THAT ARE ON SMALLER COLLECTOR OR ARTERIALS? I'M LOOKING
WELL, AND, AND, AND SO THEN THAT GOES BACK TO THEN MY SECOND QUESTION THEN ROBIN.
DO, DO, DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS WAS STILL A GOOD PLACE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I'M KIND OF TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
WE DO HAVE ONE THAT'S AT, UM, LAKELINE AND CRYSTAL FALLS, WHERE IT'S A COLLECTOR ARTERIAL INTERSECTION.
AND, UM, I DO RECALL WHEN THE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO, TO ADD IT, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MORE AREA AREAS IN THAT, UM, QUADRANT OF THE CITY TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL.
SO IT'S JUST THE, THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR US TO ADD MORE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT YOU SAID LAKELINE, CRYSTAL FALLS.
I MEAN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT INTERSECTION THAN 1 75 JOURNEY PARKWAY.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT.
SO YOU'VE GOT FOUR CORNERS OF COMPLIMENTARY COMMERCIAL PLUS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.
SO, SO I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, I, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME GUYS, SO IF YOU'VE EVER, IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD ME SAY MUCH, I FEEL LIKE MS. CVI, UM, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, WHEN SHE CAME UP HERE AND SAID, WHY DO THESE GUYS GET AN EXCEPTION? AND I'M LIKE, WHY? THIS JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
LIKE, DID WE, DID WE AS A CITY AND WE'RE NOT PERFECT? DID WE MAKE A MISTAKE BY, BY PUTTING THIS AND CHANGING THIS IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WILL WE THINK THE SAME WHEN WE'RE RE-LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS HERE.
ONE IS THE COMP PLAN CHANGE, AND THE OTHER IS THE ZONING CHANGE.
I 100% AGREE THAT THIS DOES NOT FIT WITHIN THE WATER RESOLUTION.
HOWEVER, I ALSO AGREE THAT THERE'S A TAIL TO DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES AS WELL BEFORE, WHICH MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT TORN AROUND IT, UH, JUST TO BE HONEST.
UM, SO I, I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY I FEEL ON THIS BECAUSE I, WHEN I LOOK AT EVERYTHING, WHEN I LOOK AT IT AT THE MACRO LEVEL ACROSS THE CITY, I'M NOT SURE THIS DOES FIT.
I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AND I'M NOT SURE WE, NOT JUST ME, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WE, THE CITY WOULD FEEL THE SAME AGAIN IF WE HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE PLACES FOR COMMERCIAL LOOKING FOR MORE PLACES FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED IT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO PUT IT IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
WE DON'T JUST NEED IT FOR NEEDING IT'S SAKE.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM ON THE COMP PLAN SIDE.
ON THE ZONING SIDE, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH SELL FOR ME.
AGAIN, GIVEN THE WATER RESOLUTION, JUST LOOKING AT WHERE WE'VE BEEN, UM, QUITE A BIT, UH, UM, HOWEVER, IF IT WAS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, THE, THE ZONING REQUEST THAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, UH, CONDUCIVE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE CONFLICTING HERE AT THE SAME TIME.
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I'M GONNA LET OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK INSTEAD OF JUST ME FOR NOW.AND, AND ROBIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WATER RESOLUTION, IT, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A, IT IT WAS MEANT TO ESTABLISH, UM, ZONING PRIORITIES TO GUIDE THE STAFF IN THE COMMISSION.
AND AS A COMMISSION, I MEAN, WE, WE DO FOLLOW THAT PRETTY, WE DO HAVE A PRETTY HARD LINE FOLLOWING THAT, BUT UNDERSTAND, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE ALSO DO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS AS WELL, IF THE CASE IS RIGHT, LIKE, LIKE COMMISSIONER MAHAN MENTIONED, OF COURSE.
AND, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK HERE AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY WANTING TO PUT THE TIMELINE OUT THERE TO UNDERSTAND, TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU KNOW, THE HOMES, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET THERE TO, YOU KNOW, GET ALL OF OUR APPROVALS, TO GET, YOU KNOW, GO FROM HERE, THE ZONING TO THE CONCEPT PLAN, TO THE PRELIM, TO THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO BUILD IT, YOU KNOW, TO CONSTRUCT.
IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US OH, 10 TO 12 MONTHS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD HOMES.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE, THAT WE PUT OUT THERE TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, JUST EMPHASIZE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE A WHILE BEFORE ANY WATER IS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE USED BY THESE HOMES.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, WE'LL HAVE YOU STICK AROUND.
I'M SURE THERE'LL BE MORE QUESTIONS.
SO I'LL MOVE TO COMMISSIONER MORALES.
ONE FINAL COMMENT FROM ME AND I, AND I PROMISE I WON'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE.
HONESTLY, WE ALL SHOULD BE SCARED ABOUT WATER, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA COME IN, UH, METEOROLOGISTS ARE PREDICTING A DROUGHT THIS SUMMER AT MAYBE AT THE LIKES OF 2015 DROUGHT, RIGHT? SO WATER IS GONNA INCREASINGLY BECOME A PROBLEM.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A TAIL, THAT'S WHY I SAY I'M TORN.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A TAIL IN DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, THERE ALSO CAN BE DELAYS IN CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S TWO YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
ONE, IF THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE DONE, AND WE DO HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE DEEP WATER INTAKE AT THE TIME THAT WE SAY IT'S GONNA BE NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN DELAYS.
AND TWO, ARE YOU GONNA GET DONE EARLIER THAN WHAT YOU PREDICT, RIGHT? IT COULD HAPPEN, IT MAY NOT, IT PROBABLY WON'T, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT? AND, AND HOW THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THE CITY.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I'M A, THAT'S WHY IT'S A LITTLE BIT TORN.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS KIND OF WHERE MY THINKING IS WHEN I GO TO VOTING ON ANY OF THIS.
UM, TONIGHT YOU'VE HEARD WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE COMP PLAN, AND NOW THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'LL BE ON THE ZONING CHANGE.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MORALES.
YEAH, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING AND SPEAKING.
YOU KNOW, YOUR VOICE ARE HEARD BY EVERYBODY HERE IN THE COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE JOBS OF THE COMMISSION IS FOR US TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF LEANDER.
AND SO THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING AND SPEAKING.
UM, I, I, IN MY HOMES AND KIMBERLY HORNE, I, I, I REALLY ENJOYED Y'ALLS PRESENTATION.
ACTUALLY, I HAD QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL DID A GOOD JOB IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT ACTUALLY ANSWERED A LOT OF THOSE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR, LIKE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL, I, I TYPICALLY TRY TO LEAN TOWARDS MATCHING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT I, I, I FEEL THAT IT RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL AT THIS SPOT DOESN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE.
SO IF WE DID, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE OPERATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LATER THIS YEAR THAT I WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED NOT HAVING COMMERCIAL AT THIS PARTICULAR SPOT.
UM, LOOKING AT THE ROADS IN THE AREA, WHAT IS AN ARTILLERY ROAD? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CITY OF LEANDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY FUTURE ROAD MAP, WHICH IDENTIFIES PARKSIDE PARKWAY IS THEIR ARTERY, NOT THIS INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, AND I HAVE TO AGREE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF COMMERCIAL ON RONALD REAGAN.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE, THAT SHOWS CRYSTAL FALLS, THAT LOOKS FROM OUR OPPORTUNITIES THERE IN THE FUTURE FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR UPDATING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MAYBE INTERSECTION TO THINK.
BUT O OVERALL, I, I DO FEEL THAT, UM, RESIDENTIAL IS APPROPRIATE.
I ALSO LIKE HOW IN MY HOME Y'ALL ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORS AND PUT THE LARGER LOTS AGAINST THE NORTH, UH, ADDRESS SITE CONDITIONS, TRY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE TREES, THE OTHER PARTS THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF BULLDOZING THE SITE, TRY TO PRESERVE THE FEW TREES THAT ARE THERE AND ADDRESS THE SITE CONDITIONS.
SO OVERALL, UM, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I, I THINK IT IS THE CORRECT, UH, CHOICE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LEWIS.
UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING.
I OBVIOUSLY AM PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, AND I ALWAYS LIKE IT WHEN WE ALL JOIN TOGETHER AND, AND COME OUT.
AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR COMMUNICATING WITH EVERYBODY SO MUCH AS WELL.
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UH, AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LOTS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ON RONALD REAGAN.SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMERCIAL, AND I AGREE WITH THE, THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN HERE THAT, UM, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT RIGHT THERE.
I GO THROUGH THAT AREA ALL THE TIME GETTING OVER TO WHERE I LIVE.
AND, UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH IT, IT BEING A, A VERY COMMUNITY, UM, UH, AREA, CROSS SECTION RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LANTRIP.
WELL, I, I THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AGAIN.
I'VE SEEN SOME OF YOU BEFORE
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I TOO FEEL KIND OF TORN ABOUT THE COMP PLAN.
IT, IT IS NOW AN ODD PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL.
IT PERHAPS WASN'T WHEN, WHEN IT WAS PLACED ON THERE.
UH, AND WE ARE ABOUT TO UPDATE THE COMP PLAN AND IT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
I GUESS THE, UH, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, THE WATER.
YOU'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE WATER.
AND WHILE I APPRECIATE YOUR TIMELINE THAT IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME BEFORE PEOPLE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BUILD, YOU BUILD OUT AND PEOPLE MOVE IN.
WE'VE GOT THINGS COMING ALONG IN THE PIPELINE, AND THE MORE THINGS WE PUT IN THE PIPELINE, THAT'S JUST MORE WATER, WATER, WATER.
SO WE'RE TRYING AS BEST WE CAN WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO STICK WITH THAT WATER RESOLUTION PASSED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD THE MOST FROM EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT WAS THE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC.
A LARGE, A SUBDIVISION'S GOING TO BRING A LOT OF CARS IN TOO.
YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CARS YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE AT LEAST TWO PROBABLY.
AND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE YOU WONDER WHY DO THEY HAVE SO MANY CARS? BUT IT BRINGS IN A LOT OF CARS.
IT'S GONNA BRING IN A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS TO CROSS A BUSY STREET WITH ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD CROSSING AT THE SAME TIME AND NO TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT WITH A, WITH MORE HOUSES TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I COULD SUPPORT, UM, MAKING AN EXCEPTION AND CHANGING THE COMP PLAN AND ALLOWING THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF LOWER DENSITY INSTEAD OF THE HIGHER DENSITY LINES.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LAND TRIPP.
UM, WELL I WILL, UH, JUST KIND OF CAP EVERYTHING OFF AND, AND I, I WILL ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF THOSE OF YOU WHO SPOKE HERE TONIGHT.
SO I HAVE A CHILD THAT GOES TO STILES MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UH, I WAS JUST THERE PICKING HER UP TODAY.
AND I ALSO KNOW WHAT THAT TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE AT DROP OFF AND PICK UP.
AND I KNOW HOW AGGRESSIVE YOU HAVE TO BE JUST TO GET OUT ONTO JOURNEY PARKWAY.
TRUST ME, I'VE TRIED MULTIPLE OPTIONS.
I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, THERE'S A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT EVENTUALLY THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR AROUND THE STYLES AND AIKEN UH, SCHOOLS.
UH, AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY I THINK WE'RE KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT THOSE HOMES, AND THAT'S ABOUT 430 HOMES THAT WE'RE ALREADY ADDING TO THE AREA, UM, I THINK BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LAND WAS BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE ADDING MORE STREETS TO HELP PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA AS WELL.
IT WOULD CONNECT PEOPLE TO KABI RANCH.
AND SO IT'S GONNA ALLOW TRAFFIC TO FLOW A LOT BETTER.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE REALLY GOTTA LOOK AT.
BESIDES BEING WORRIED ABOUT THE WATER, WHICH I'M, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY WORRIED ABOUT.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE CAN PULL WATER FROM DEADPOOL STATE AT LAKE TRAVIS, DOESN'T MEAN WATER'S GONNA CONTINUALLY BE THERE.
I MEAN, 2 MILLION PEOPLE PULL WATER FROM THE AQUIFER, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHLAND LAKES THAT FEEDS MOST OF CENTRAL TEXAS.
AND SO THIS IS NOT REALLY A LEANER ISSUE.
SO WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT WATER, WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT AS A REGIONAL CONCERN, AND THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MORE PEOPLE THAN JUST THE CITY OF LEANER INVOLVED WITH SOLVING THAT PROBLEM.
UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO OUR PART BY LOWERING THE, LOWERING THE DENSITY OF THE HOUSING.
SO I THINK A LOT OF US ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF MORE MULTI-FAMILY OR TOWNHOME TYPE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF DENSITY, A LOT OF HOOKUPS.
UM, BUT THERE WAS AN INTERESTING, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING POINT MADE BY THE CITY.
I FELT IT WAS SOMEWHAT PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE, BUT WHERE IT SAID THE, UH, ANOTHER GOAL STATEMENT IS TO MAINTAIN AND OR APPROVE, SORRY, IMPROVE AFFORDABILITY AND DIVERSITY IN THE HOUSING MARKET.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, IT JUST MEANS HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND SO MR. UH, ROYCE, I FORGOT YOUR LAST NAME.
IS IT, IS IT RIPPY? RIPPY, OKAY.
I JUST WANNA BE PROFESSIONAL AND RESPECTFUL, BUT, UM, IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL CALL YOU ROYCE.
UM, AND UH, YOU CAN CALL ME COMMISSIONER NUMBER FIVE.
UM, BUT ALL, ALL KIDDING ASIDE, I I, I LOOKED AT THE, THE ORIGINAL PLAN BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND YOU
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HAD TWO SECTIONS.AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SPOKE TO COUNSEL, YOU TALKED ABOUT 70 FOOT LOTS.
AND I BELIEVE BASED ON WHAT YOU HAD ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, UH, IT WAS ABOUT 148 HOMES, I THINK WAS KIND OF CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME, ALL 70 FOOT LOTS.
NOW, OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK AFFORDABILITY.
I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S 50, 60 AND 70 FOOT LOTS.
UH, MINE ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO BE PROBABLY A LARGER 50 FOOT LOT 'CAUSE I'M ON THE CORNER, WHICH IS ABOUT 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
AND BASED ON OUR, ON THE COMPACT, I THINK THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS AROUND 5,000.
I THINK IT'S LIKE 5,500 IS THE, UM, 5,500.
UM, SO THAT'S THE MINIMUM, LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50, 60 AND 70 FOOT LOTS.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE YOU UP TO ABOUT 177 HOMES IF I, IF I CALCULATE BASED ON WHAT Y'ALL PRESENTED TONIGHT.
SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS KIND OF A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I THINK CONSENSUS IS FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN, I, I DO THINK THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE MAYBE WE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS LITTLE WEDGE OF CHEESE IN THE CORNER THERE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT.
AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE, I MEAN, I DID CHECK THE, THE, THE FLOOD MAPPING ON THERE.
'CAUSE GOING BACK TO MY PAST, I DID FLOOD MAP RESEARCH, BUT WE WON'T GO INTO THAT.
SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY FLOOD ISSUES ON THAT LAND OBVIOUSLY UNTIL YOU DEVELOP IT.
MOSTLY IT'S AROUND BRUSHY CREEK AND AS ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN SPOKE ABOUT FLOODING, I KNOW THAT CREEK AND FLOOD.
UM, BUT REGARDLESS WITH THIS LAND, I DO THINK RESIDENTIAL FITS THERE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING TO CONSIDER TONIGHT IS SOMETHING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LOWER DENSITY, HOWEVER, THEN I'M CONFLICTED BECAUSE THEN WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT AFFORDABILITY.
BUT IF I LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, YOU'VE GOT, UM, WAS IT LOST WOODS ACROSS THE STREET? YES.
THAT WE HAVE THIS BUILT OUT, UM, AND WHICH IS YEAH, ALL BUILT OUT AND IT'S A NICE COMMUNITY, BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY, A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT THAT'S BELOW THERE.
AND IF I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE RECENT APPRAISAL BASED ON WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE INFLATED, WE'LL JUST BE BLUNT, UM, I THINK HOMES ARE RANGING FIVE TO 600,000 IN VALUE AND THAT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.
UH, AND CERTAINLY SOME PEOPLE CAN, BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN.
AND SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA BE NOT GONNA BE BUILDING FOR A COUPLE YEARS, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE MARKET'S GONNA DO IN A COUPLE YEARS.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPACT IN THERE, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE YOUR LOWER PRICED HOME.
BUT LIKE, BUT WHAT CAN YOU BUILD ON A 50 VERSUS A 60 OR A 70? AND, AND YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING 29 HOMES HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE IT DOWN TO 60 OR 70 FOOT LOTS, THEN R RIGHT TO YOUR POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING TO D DIVERSIFY AND WHY DON'T YOU STEP A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER.
SO IN LOST WOODS, WE WERE ALL 50 AND 60 FOOT LOTS.
UH, BARKSDALE, 50 AND 60 FOOT LOTS JUST IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.
UM, LOST WOODS ESTATES IS WHAT WE'RE, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S IN PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE 28 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UM, EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 1 25 OR 1 75.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL 70 FOOT LOTS.
SO THE PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE SOME DIVERSITY TO ALLOW US, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD DIFFERENT PRODUCT MM-HMM
I THINK WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS LIKE IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A 50 FOOT LOT AND PUT A 500,000 HOUSE ON IT, COULD YOU PUT LIKE A 500,000 HOUSE ON A 60 FOOT LOT TOO AND JUST REDUCE, REDUCE THE DENSITY A LITTLE BIT? WELL, IT, IT D DRIVE, ONCE YOU START REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LOTS, IT DRIVES EVERYTHING UP IN A, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, AS MANY LOTS TO SPREAD THE COMMON INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE LAND COST DEVELOPMENT COSTS.
SO IT JUST DRIVES, IF WE END UP WITH LESS LOTS, IT WILL MAKE EVERYTHING MORE, EVERY LOT SIZE MORE EXP EXPENSIVE.
SO LET ME ASK, MAYBE IF I ASK YOU THIS, ROBIN, DO, DO WE NEED THE COMPACT FOR 50 FOOT WIDE LOT? IS THAT PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 55, 50 OR 6,000? I MEAN, LIKE WHAT, YEAH, YOU COULD GO BIGGER, BUT THAT'S THE STANDARD.
IS THAT PRETTY OKAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
'CAUSE I'M LIKE, LIKE I SAID, I LIVE ON 50 FOOT WIDE LOT AND IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY 7,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL NOT A BIG LOT.
UM, YEAH, SO ONCE AGAIN, I, I THINK KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED HERE IS, IS IF I GO BACK AND, I MEAN I, I SEE THIS VERSION NOW, UM, I LIKE THAT YOU GOT THE PARK LINE AND STUFF IN THERE, BUT THAT'S 177 HOMES.
I MEAN, ARE, I GUESS AS A COMMISSION, ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT 29 MORE HOMES IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT? AND THE ZONING THAT HE IS REQUESTING TONIGHT IS, IS A 29 HOME DIFFERENCE.
AND, UM, WE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP IN TWO PHASES, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON HOW FAST THEY SELL AND WHEN WE WOULD START THE NEXT PHASE, BUT I KIND OF MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.
I WAS BUILDING THE SCHEDULE THAT WE WOULD START, I THINK, UH, LET'S
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SEE.YEAH, I ASSUME PHASE TWO WILL BE BEGIN CONSTRUCTION 150 DAYS AFTER PHASE ONE IS COMPLETE.
AND THEN FOR PHASE TWO I USED IT 270, SO NINE MONTHS TO DEVELOP PHASE TWO 'CAUSE MM-HMM
USUALLY PHASE, THE SECOND PHASES ARE GENERALLY DON'T TAKE AS LONG, I MEAN, WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE FLIPPED THESE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, 80 TO 90 LOTS IN EACH PHASE AND OKAY.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND, AND SEND ALONG, UH, PHASE LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'LL GENERALLY BE THIS.
AND SO I GUESS MY POINT IS PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN THE 140 OF WHAT WE SHOWED WILL, WILL COME ON AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PHASE TWO, ANOTHER YEAR OR SO AFTER THAT.
WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME HERE THEN.
SO LIKE WHAT WOULD THE AVERAGE DIFFERENCE MAYBE BE BETWEEN A HOME ON A 60 FOOT WIDE LOT AND A 50 FOOT WIDE LOT BE, YEAH.
AND I KNOW IT'S A CRAZY QUESTION, BUT I JUST, IT CHANGES.
WE'RE IN A, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S SUBJECTIVE RIGHT? WE'RE DOWN MARKET, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, PRICES ARE, ARE ARE COMING DOWN, BUT, UM, I WOULD GUESS I, YEAH, IT DEPENDS ON SIZE AND STUFF, BUT I WOULD GUESS 10% OR SO.
UH, BECAUSE COMMISSION, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
I, I'M, I'M, I THINK I'M ALIGNED WITH EVERYBODY HERE THAT WE ULTIMATELY SHOULD ALLOW FOR THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE AND LET THIS BE RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE CAN ALSO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, REVISIT THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS YEAR.
I THINK IF YOU ALSO GO BACK TO THE GOAL STATEMENT OF THE CITY OF HAVING MORE AFFORDABILITY, 50 FOOT LOTS GETS US THERE AND WE'RE TALKING A DIFFERENCE OF 29 HOMES FROM DENSITY.
SO IF WE DON'T ALLOW THE COMPACT, OR WE EVEN, EVEN IF WE DON'T EVEN ALLOW I GUESS THE URBAN THERE, WERE STILL PLANNING TO BUILD MOSTLY 70 FOOT LOTS ON THIS, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE 140 HOMES IF I GO BACK TO SEPTEMBER 19TH WHEN Y'ALL MET WITH COUNSEL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY NOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED, MARKET SHIFTS.
UM, WE WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PRODUCT LINES HERE YEAH.
TO GET A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, YEAH, THAT WOULD, SO I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY, THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS AT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? YEAH, SO, SO I, I WAS LOOKING AT IT TOO AND, AND I WAS THINKING THE SAME WAY, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH.
AND SO IN MY OPINION, NOT A DEVELOPER, NOT A REAL ESTATE PERSON, NOT ANY OF THAT, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH DIVERSITY SURROUNDING THE AREA TO NOT, I, I'M, I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPACT.
PLUS I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HARDER SELL FOR COUNCIL GIVEN WHERE THEY'VE BEEN RECENTLY ON THE, ON THE WATER RESOLUTION.
UM, I, I THINK A, A NI MY PERSONAL NICE COMPROMISE IS WE JUST MAKE IT ALL SINGLE FAMILY URBAN, RIGHT? WE TAKE AWAY THE SINGLE, THE SFS, THE LITTLE SLIVER AT THE TOP MM-HMM
WE TAKE THAT SFS AWAY, BUT WE ALSO MADE THAT SFC INTO SINGLE FAMILY URBAN.
WELL I, I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD STILL AT LEAST ADDRESS THE SF SUBURBAN JUST BECAUSE THE, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY NORTH OF THAT DID WANT THEM TO, TO ABIDE BY A 70 FOOT WIDER, UH, A WIDE LOT BECAUSE IT'S BACKING UP TO ACREAGE LOTS, YOU KNOW.
SO I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING IF WE JUST APPROVED IT ALL URBAN, I MEAN THAT WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO EVEN DO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY.
UM, SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE URBAN IN THERE AND THEN WE CAN GO WITH THE URBAN AND THEN NOT APPROVE THE COMPACT.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR ROBIN.
WHAT IS THE, UM, SMALLEST CLA UH, ZONING THAT CAN GO WITH THE WATER RESOLUTION? IS IT SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN? YEAH, THE 70 FOOT.
I JUST FEEL THAT, GIVEN THAT COUNSEL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNSEL, I'M NOT TRYING TO, BUT GIVEN WHAT, UH, THEIR VOTE IN SEPTEMBER AND, UH, YOU KNOW HOW CONCERNED THEY ARE ABOUT WATER, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE WOULD STAND A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING THIS PASSED IF WE AT LEAST WENT WITH THE ZONING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE WATER RESOLUTION, IS MY OPINION.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT'S 2020, I, I WISH I, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD'VE, UM, GOTTEN A DIFFERENT RESULT AT, UM, CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER IF I WOULD'VE REACHED OUT TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD INITIALLY.
UH, WHICH I WISH I WOULD'VE, I DIDN'T.
AND SO WE'RE HERE, WE ARE HERE
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UH, TO TRY TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK.BUT, UM, I FEEL CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT, THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UM, RESTRICT CONNECTIONS UNTIL AFTER DEEP WATER INTAKE COMES ON BOARD? THE COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE A VEHICLE TO DO THAT, BUT THE COUNCIL COULD LOOK INTO A DEVELOP, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT'S THAT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL COULD DO AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT WOULD, THAT A ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE OF ALLOWING THAT HIGHER DENSITY AS WELL AS SOME OF OURS.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF RISK WITH THAT.
'CAUSE IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A, A TAKINGS.
SO IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, WE'RE NOW SAYING THEY CAN'T DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT IS THERE? IS THERE A LEGAL THING? IT'S A CHALLENGE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I WATCH COUNCIL, THEY, THEIR, THEIR CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TAKE AWAY THIS POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE A GREAT NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL.
WE'RE HIGH, WE HAVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF IT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE COMMERCIAL TO CATCH UP TO DIVERSIFY OUR TAX BASE AND OTHER THINGS, UM, TO ALSO ALLOW US TO, TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ENJOY HERE AND MAINTAIN THE SERVICES THAT OUR CITY PROVIDES.
UM, BUT I, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT.
UM, IF WE'D LIKE TO, WE CAN AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, I I'M, I'M WILLING TO, TO HEAR IF ANYBODY HAS A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE AND THEN MOTION TO APPROVE.
HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, SO MOVING ON TO THE OTHER, UM, PORTION OF THIS, THE, UH, ZONING REQUEST.
UH, DO I HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER APPROVING? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO APPROVE SOMETHING HERE AND NOT DENY, SO DO WE WANNA APPROVE OPTION ONE OR DOES SOMEBODY WANNA SUGGEST ANOTHER OPTION WITH A DIFFERENT, UH, SET OF ZONING? SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO APPROVE OR DENY.
AND I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT I'M, I'M ALMOST LEANING TOWARDS TAKING NO ACTION ON THIS AND LETTING IT GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT IMPEDE CITY COUNCIL'S ABILITY, ROBIN, IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE I, I THINK MY CONCERN IS, UM, AGAIN, AROUND THE WATER, AROUND WHERE THEY'RE SEEING ON THE WATER RESOLUTION.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA APPROVE OR DENY 'CAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN THIS.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD ALMOST JUST RATHER PUNT THE CITY COUNCIL AND LET THEM, LET THEM, UH, TALK THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
AND THAT WON'T, THAT, THAT'S NOT A DENIAL.
IT WILL, IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL AND THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND AND ADDRESS IT AND THEY CAN MAKE THE FILE.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA REDEVELOP YOUR DEVELOPMENT HERE ON THE DIOCESE.
IT DOESN'T HELP YOU OUT, OUT AND IT'S NOT GOOD SERVING FOR US EITHER.
SO IF WE, IF THERE'S NO VOTE ON THE THE SECOND, IT WILL STILL STAY ON THE SAME SCHEDULE.
THE COMMISSION'S JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY.
THAT, THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T SLOW ANYTHING DOWN.
YEAH, WE DON'T WANNA COST Y'ALL ANY MONEY WAITING OR MAKE YOU HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU, YOU SAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU'RE HAVING, UM, MAYBE SOME MEETINGS AND THINGS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M LEANING TOWARD RIGHT NOW IS SO THAT IT COULD GET PASSED IS CHOOSING THE DESIGNATION THAT FITS WITH THE WATER RESOLUTION.
SOME OTHER COMPROMISE MAY COME OUT OF US DELAYING IT.
IF WE, AS WE DISCUSSED, REDESIGNING THE DEVELOPMENT AT A DIFFERENT DENSITY THERE, THERE'S KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT OF, UH, UH, CHALLENGES THAT CREATES.
UM, WE, WE WOULD REWORK A LAND PLAN, UM, THAT ALSO AFFECTS SOME OF THE AMENITIES WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MEAN LESS PARK LAND, UM, LESS COMMON AREA LANDSCAPE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND AND I WOULD, AND SO WE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING YOU BACK FOR INFORMATION LIKE THAT OR MOVE FORWARD WITH A, A NO RECOMMENDATION FROM, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD BRING THAT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS TO MAKE AS, AS, AS ROYCE MADE EARLIER.
LIKE IF YOU GO WITH 60 AND 70 FOOT LOT ONLY, THEN THAT REDUCES THE DENSITY, BUT ALSO INCREASES THE PRICE OF THE HOMES.
AND I THINK ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA HAVE A MORE DIVERSE MIX OF, OF AFFORDABLE HOMES.
THAT'S WHY I ALSO ASKED A QUESTION, LIKE, IF I BUILT SOMETHING ON 50 VERSUS 60, WHAT'S THE PRICE DIFFERENCE? AND IF IT'S 10% YEAH.
THAT, THAT COULD BE 50, 60 GRAND.
AND THAT COULD BE PUT SOMEBODY IN OR OUT OF A HOME, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND SO I, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
SO IF THIS GETS A, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA WATCH THIS AND THEY'LL SEE, UH, I THINK WE, WE WOULD, WE MAY, WE WOULD AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, IS IT GIVES US MORE TIME TO BUILD CONSENSUS.
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DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION OR DO WE NOT EVEN NEED A NO ACTION? YOU JUST SAY NO.WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION ON THE SECOND PORTION OF THIS.
[9. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action on Variance Case VA-25-0022 to approve a Variance on one (1) parcel of land approximately 4.151 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District R346169; generally located at 1550 CR 269, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.
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ALRIGHT, SO ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER ACTION ON VARIANCE CASE VA DASH 25 DASH 0 0 2 2 TO APPROVE A VARIANCE ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 4.151 ACRES IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT R 3 4 6 1 6 9.
GENERALLY LOCATED AT 1550 C 2 69.
LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS.
UM, SO THIS REQUEST IS THE FINAL STEP IN THE VARIANCE PROCESS.
UH, PER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UH, IT'S REQUIRED THAT A SIDEWALK SHALL BE INSTALLED BY THE DEVELOPER ON BOTH SIDES OF ALL STREET, WITHIN THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND SHALL BE DESIGNATED AND CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S STANDARD DETAILS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO IT'S ALSO IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS WELL.
SO THE, UH, DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 42 E OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UH, AND HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO, UH, NOT REQUIRE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF 180 3 A.
SO THEY HAVE A SMALL PORTION HERE.
IT WOULD BE THIS SIDEWALK HERE, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IMPROVEMENTS ON 180 3 A TOLL ROAD ARE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF C-T-R-M-A CENTRAL TEXAS REGIONAL MOBILITY AUTHORITY, UH, WITH FUTURE SCHEMATICS SHOWING A FUTURE SIDEWALK ALONG HERO WAY, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH OF HERE.
C-T-R-M-A HAS COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF THAT IT HAS NO PLANS OR DESIRES FOR A FUTURE SIDEWALK, UH, ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF 180 3 A TOLL ROAD.
SHOULD THE APPLICANT BE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK.
THIS SIDEWALK, UH, PORTION IN ESSENCE WOULD NOT BE CONNECTING TO ANY OTHER PORTIONS OF THE SIDEWALK.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE BY PROVIDING A FEE AND LIEU PAYMENT FOR THE SIDEWALK.
UH, AND THAT'S INCLUDED UNDER THE LOI.
UH, SO THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT SIDEWALK AMOUNT IS IN THERE, UH, IN WHICH FUNDS COULD BE ALLOCATED TO A FUTURE TRAIL SYSTEM OR SIDEWALK CONNECTION WITHIN THE CITY.
AS PART OF THE EVALUATION OF THIS REQUEST, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS.
UH, APPROVE THE PROPOSED VARIANCE REQUEST OR DENY THE PROPOSED VARIANCE REQUEST.
A STAFFER RECOMMENDS OPTION ONE LISTED ABOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED VARIANCE REQUEST.
ALL OF THE ABOVE, ALL OF THE ABOVE ITEMS CONSIDERED, AS WELL AS THE LOI INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET STAFF FILLS THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE WILL BE BEST MET WITH A FEE IN LIEU PAYMENT FOR THE 10 FOOT SIDEWALK AND APPLIED TO A FUTURE TRAIL SYSTEM OR SIDEWALK CONNECTION WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND WE'LL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER LANDR, I DRIVE BY THIS AREA ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXIT I TAKE OFF OF 180 3.
AND, UM, THE AREA, THIS IS A, THIS IS REGULAR AGENDA.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST IN THE WRONG CATEGORY.
AND USUALLY WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN REGULAR.
WE'LL DELAY MY, WE'LL DELAY YOUR COMMENTS AND WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I ACTUALLY DO SEE THAT WE DO HAVE A, UH, PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK HERE.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL MS. ANITA VE.
ANITA VETCH 7 0 8 POLYUS DRIVE.
UM, I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO DENY THIS VARIANCE REQUEST AND REQUIRE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK AS PRESCRIBED UNDER ARTICLE THREE, SECTION 42 E OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UH, ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF A WELCOMING, FUNCTIONAL, AND CONNECTED CITY IS ITS SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, SIDEWALKS ARE NOT JUST AESTHETIC FEATURES.
THEY ARE ESSENTIAL FOR WALKABILITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND LONG-TERM CO COMMUNITY COHESION.
WE SHOULD BE BUILDING THEM WHEN, WHEREVER, AND WHERE WHENEVER THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES.
UH, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT 180 3 A 180 3, A TOLL ROAD IS UNDER C TMAS JURISDICTION AND THAT THEIR FUTURE PLANS DO NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDE A SIDEWALK ON THIS SIDE, UH, THAT IS NOT JUSTIFICATION TO ABANDON OUR OWN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
THE ADJACENT PARCEL INCLUDES A SIDEWALK WAIVING THE REQUIREMENT HERE INTRODUCES INCONSISTENCY
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AND ERODES THE LOGIC OF OUR OWN ORDINANCES.UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU IS PROBLEMATIC.
UH, THAT FEE, EVEN IF COLLECTED TODAY, WILL NOT CARRY THE SAME PURCHASING POWER WHEN THE CITY EVENTUALLY SEEKS TO FUND CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER FOR TRAILS OR FOR SIDEWALKS.
AS PRICES FOR LABOR AND CONCRETE CONTINUE TO RISE, THE FEE WILL LOSE VALUE OVER TIME.
DELAYING INFRASTRUCTURE MAY SEEM REASONABLE NOW, BUT IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE APPROACH WHEN LONG-TERM COSTS ARE CONSIDERED.
THIS PARCEL IS BEING DEVELOPED NOW.
THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE INSTALLED NOW.
VARIANCES LIKE THIS CREATE GAPS THAT TAKE DECADES TO CLOSE.
IF THEY'RE EVER CLOSED AT ALL, REJECTING, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THE WALKABLE CONNECTED LANDER WE'VE COMMITTED TO BUILDING.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT? OKAY.
WITH THAT WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO COMMISSIONER LANDRUM.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I DRIVE BY THIS AREA FREQUENTLY.
IT'S ON, IT'S THE EXIT I TAKE TO GO HOME.
AND THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES ALONG 180 3 THERE THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN TO OUR DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.
AND THERE IS, THERE IS SOME PROBLEM WITH THE SLOPE THERE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK GOING NOWHERE.
AND OUR, BECAUSE OUR VARIANCE REQUEST INCLUDES THE FEE IN LIEU SHOULD THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN EVER SELL AND, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOP AND, AND SO FORTH AND SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS WERE PLACED ON THEM AT THAT TIME, THE CITY COULD CONSTRUCT WITH THOSE FEES, THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS.
I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
COMMISSIONER LEWIS? UM, I AM NOT SURE, UM, I'VE KINDA, I THINK YOU PRESENT SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS, BUT IF WE CAN ADD THEM IN LATER, WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST EXPRESSED.
UM, I'M STILL OPEN AND UNDECIDED AT THIS POINT.
COMMISSIONER MORALES, DO WE KNOW THE TIMELINE OF WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BUILD THE HERO WAY EXPANSION
SO THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START PHASE ONE.
WE HAVE PLANS AND REVIEW FOR IT.
SO THE STREET TO THE NORTH OF THIS, I GUESS THERE'S ONE PROPERTY BETWEEN THAT FIVE YEARS OUT, 10 YEARS.
DO WE KNOW? I, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
THEY DID ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S WHY IT HAS THAT CLIP ON THE, THE CORNER.
SO THIS WILL BE KIND OF A INTERCHANGE.
UM, SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE THAT PIECE IS DEVELOPED.
SO YEAH, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MIXED FEELINGS ON THIS ONE AS WELL BECAUSE IT MAY LEAD TO NOWHERE NOW, BUT IF YOU GOT A HIGH, A NEW ROAD COMING IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR ONE LOT ADJACENT AWAY FROM A MAJOR HIGHWAY INTERCHANGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY WALK TRYING TO WALK STREETS, UM, YOU DEFINITELY WANT SIDEWALKS NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY.
WAIT, LIKE IF IT, IF THERE IS ANY WALKABILITY BUSINESSES WALKING AROUND, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA BE WALKING IT, IT'S IN THE STREET OR, YOU KNOW, LUMPY AND FALL IN THE STREET.
SO THIS ONE I HAVE KIND OF MIXED FEELINGS 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE EVEN THOUGH NOBODY CAN REALLY LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.
UM, SO, AND, AND THEN THE, DO ANY, DOES THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY SOUTH HAVE A SIDEWALK INSTALLED CURRENTLY OR NO? NO.
SO THAT IT WOULD BE ALL BY ITSELF RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
SO NONE OF THEM HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL GRANDFATHERED IN.
THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION OR COMMENT.
JUST KIND OF MIXED ON THAT ONE.
COMMISSIONER MAHAN, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I, I COULDN'T TELL, UM, FROM THE PACKET, BUT IS THE FEE AND LIE WHAT THE PROJECTED, IS IT THE SAME AS THE PROJECTED COST OF THE SIDEWALK? SO AT 25 5 IT SHOULD BE.
UM, YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MORALES.
UH, I I THINK IT'S KIND OF ABSURD THAT WE WOULD REQUEST THE SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE YET.
IS IT A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE FOREVER.
AND IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS, UM, WHICH HONESTLY MAKES ME LEAN BACK ON, UH, COMMISSIONER LANDRY'S COMMENTS, NOT DISCOUNTING MS. VIC'S COMMENTS OF PURCHASING POWER IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
THAT'S A G KNOWN, UM, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE IF WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T COST THE DEVELOPER ANYMORE IF WE'RE MAKING THEM PAY THE EXACT SAME PRICE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE, UM, GAINING ANYTHING FROM THIS PROCESS.
THEY'RE JUST NOT BUILDING A SIDEWALK, WHICH AT THAT POINT THE CITY THEN MAINTAINS THE SIDEWALK.
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SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE.SO IF THEY BUILD THE SIDEWALK, IT'S CT MA'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE RELUCTANCE.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY'RE GONNA REDEVELOP THE INTERCHANGE RIGHT THERE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OUT IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON STAFF WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE EXPECTING CTRA TO COME OUT AND TAKE CARE OF 106 FOOT SECTION CORRECT.
THAT, THAT MAKES THE DECISION A LITTLE EASIER FOR ME.
SO TO BE HONEST, 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF, I I, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH AND TRUST.
I, I LIKE CTRA, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY FAITH IN TRUST THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND MAINTAIN THAT APPROPRIATELY.
YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR POINT WITH THAT.
I MEAN THAT 23 THOU, LIKE I SAID, WAS THAT, WHAT'D YOU SAY? IT GETS US 108 FEET OF SIDEWALK, 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK.
SO WE COULD BASICALLY USE THAT MONEY MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT AREA WHEN WE COLLECT FUNDS LIKE THAT.
WELL, BRUSHY CREEK IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT.
SO YOU HAVE BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, TRAIL THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED AND, AND THAT'S BASICALLY SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE.
RIGHT NOW, I MEAN IF IT, IT'S ALL JUST BIFURCATED UP AND DOWN BRUSHY CREEK FROM SARITA VALLEY DOWN TO I THINK MARBELLA WHERE I THINK CLOSE TO, TO WHERE YOUR COMMUNITY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S JUST A SMALL LITTLE SECTION OF TRAIL AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT THERE AND THEN IT'S STILL WAITING TO BE CONNECTED WHEN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COME IN.
SO IT COULD TECHNICALLY BE USED FOR THAT OR IT'S POSSIBLE IF WE HAD PROJECTS OR THAT'S STILL TOO FAR AWAY.
UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MAP.
I MEAN, BUT THEN AGAIN, TO THE POINT, IF IT GETS TO GET TORN OUT TO BUILD THE BROADER EXCHANGE THERE, THEN THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND REBUILD.
BUT IF WE FORCE 'EM TO STILL HAVE A SIDEWALK THERE THAT THEN EVENTUALLY DOES GO SOMEWHERE TEARING IT OUT, PUTTING IT BACK IN MEANS THAT SIDEWALK STILL HAS TO GO BACK IN.
IF WE GIVE 'EM THE VARIANCE NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK THERE EVER.
SO I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS ONE TOO.
SO
UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS ACTUALLY A FULL SIDEWALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE ON THE FRONTAGE OF 1 8 3 A, UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? SO I, I WANNA BE, I I LOVE THAT POINT, BY THE WAY.
UM, ROBIN, SO IF WE COULD APPROVE THIS VARIANCE, EVEN IF AS COMMISSIONER LANDR SAID, THE THE LANDS TO THE SOUTH THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN TODAY IN THE FUTURE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE SOLD OR DEVELOPED OR, OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BUILD SIDEWALKS.
AS LONG AS THIS REMAINS THE SAME, THEY'RE STILL NOT GONNA HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN THIS PROPERTY.
SO THAT MEANS NOW WE'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THEN NO CONNECTION POTENTIALLY.
THAT'S, IT MAY LEAD TO NOTE, BUT YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT, LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE THE HEART OF LEANDER ON ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE.
IT'S WHERE OUR BUSINESS CENTERS ARE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE THERE WILL, IF, IF THE CITY BE STARTS TO HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY, BUILDS SOME CORE IN THE FUTURE, YOU WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE WALKING.
IT WOULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE, NOT HAVING A SIDEWALK NEXT TO A HIGHWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT IS THE MIDDLE OF YOUR CITY.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, AS A PERSON WHO USED TO LIVE CLOSE TO HIGHWAYS WALK LIKES URBAN WALKING AND HIKING, I MAYBE I WOULD PROBABLY WANT IT THERE.
I THINK, I MEAN, I SEE PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN 1 8, 3 ALL THE TIME IN CEDAR PARK, NEAR SCOTTSDALE CROSSING.
YOU GET A 10 FOOT WIDE WALKWAY AND PEOPLE USE THAT CONSISTENTLY.
UM, SO YEAH, I, ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN THIS IS JUST ONE SMALL SECTION OF IT AND IT'S NOT GONNA CONNECT ANYWHERE.
AND SO UNLESS WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT DO COME IN THAT EVENTUALLY WILL BUILD IT, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND SO I'M, I, I'M KIND OF IN FAVOR OF ACTUALLY APPROVING THE VARIANCE IN THIS CASE.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A, A SECTION THAT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
SINCE YOU CONVINCED ME TO TO GO THE OTHER WAY.
I MEAN, WE CAN, THAT'S WHY I'M TORN ON THIS ONE.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH, WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I ALSO SEE THERE IS A, THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE THAT CAN CONNECT TO OTHER WALKWAYS UP AND DOWN HERE AWAY OR, OR MAYBE TO BRUSHY CREEK.
WE CAN USE THOSE IN LIEU OF FEES TO CONSTRUCT OTHER SECTIONS OF BRUSHY CREEK, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.
I, I, I, I'M OPEN TO HEARING A MOTION IN EITHER DIRECTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE AS STATED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT JUST SO WE CAN VOTE.
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ALL RIGHT.IT WAS 7 41 AND WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED.