Jun 05, 2025 City Council Regular Meeting

[1. Open Meeting.]

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THAT'S OKAY. GOOD EVENING. TODAY IS THURSDAY, JUNE 5TH, 2025 AND THE TIME IS 6:01 P.M. AND THIS

[2. Roll Call.]

COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID MCDONNELL HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM NICOLE THOMPSON PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW NODDING. COUNCIL MEMBER BECKY ROSS HERE. MAYOR CHRISTINE DELLA HERE. QUORUM IS PRESENT.

[3. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to:

1. Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05 Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding acquisition of property for public purpose; and
2. Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05 Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding legal issues related to opening and closing of public rights-of-way.

[ Reconvene into open session to take action as deemed appropriate in the City Council's discretion regarding:

1. Acquisition of property for public purpose; and
2. Legal issues related to opening and closing of public rights-of-way.
   

[4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]

I'M KIND OF A LITTLE FAMILIAR FACE HERE AND THERE EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL SERVING HERE ON CITY COUNCIL WITH US. BY THE WAY, THAT WE'RE RANKED, I THINK, SEVENTH OR EIGHTH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OR THE NATION AS ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE NUMBER EIGHT IN THE ENTIRE NATION OF BEST PLACES TO LIVE. YES, YES, YES. SO GOOD WORK. WE WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF FOR DOING THAT AS WELL. CHIEF MINTON, CHIEF THOMPSON FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WHERE THEY PARTICIPATE IN THAT. SO WE WANT TO COVER EVERYONE IN PRAYER AS WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR THIS CITY. ALRIGHT, LET US PRAY. DEAR GOD, WE THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT YOU'VE BLESSED US WITH. WE THANK YOU FOR THESE CITY COUNCIL PERSONS BY NAME AND BY POSITION. THOSE WHO WORK AT NIGHT AND DURING THE DAY. THOSE NAMES THAT ARE UNKNOWN. JUST AS WELL. WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THESE FAMILIES. WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE THE FAITH, THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO BLESS THE CITY OF LEANDER IN RANKING AND IN PLACE TO LIVE AS SAFE AND A PLACE TO COME AND BE, TO RAISE FAMILY AND DO BUSINESS AND PARTICIPATE IN GOVERNMENT.

WE ASK THAT YOU CROWN THEIR HEADS WITH WISDOM. WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE SOVEREIGNLY IN CONTROL.

WE THANK YOU THAT YOU LOVE US BY SENDING YOUR SON JESUS, HIS LIFE, HIS DEATH, HIS RESURRECTION, AND HIS SOON RETURN. GRANT US WISDOM AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS TODAY. WE PRAY FOR THOSE THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S MEETING, THAT YOU WOULD HONOR THEM AND THAT YOU WOULD WATCH OVER THEM, PROTECT THEM, AND PREPARE THEM IN JESUS NAME. WE DO ASK AND PRAY. AMEN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG UNDER ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. ONE FAITH IN GOD AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH,

[5. Roll Call.]

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INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIONS WRITTEN TO THE RECORD. ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NON AGENDA ITEM PUBLIC COMMENTS IS A TIME FOR YOU TO TALK TO US, BUT IT'S NOT A TIME THAT WE CAN TALK TO YOU. IT WAS. IT IS JUST FOR YOU TO AIR YOUR THOUGHTS. WITH THAT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR NON-AGENDA COMMENTS

[7. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors.

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RECOGNITIONS, PROCLAMATIONS AND VISITORS. PRO TEM THOMPSON. YES. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE ARE SO EXCITED TO HAVE NOW OUR FOURTH ANNUAL JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION. WE CREATED THIS EVENT BACK IN 22. AND SO IT'S BEEN REALLY NICE TO WATCH THIS EVENT GROW, WATCH IT, ENCOMPASS ALL DIFFERENT CULTURES IN OUR CITY. AND JUST TO WATCH THE EXCITEMENT AROUND JUNETEENTH, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT ABOUT JUNETEENTH, JUNETEENTH IS THE TIME IN TEXAS. SO IT IS TEXAS HISTORY WHEN ENSLAVED PEOPLE WERE MADE AWARE THAT THEY WERE FREE. SO THAT WAS 1865, TWO YEARS AFTER THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION. SO TO GIVE YOU SOME FURTHER HISTORICAL CONTEXT, SLAVERY IN THE AMERICAS LASTED ABOUT 400 YEARS. SLAVERY IN WHAT IS NOW KNOWN AS THE UNITED STATES LASTED OVER 260 YEARS, AND SO WE'VE ONLY BEEN OUT OF THAT 89 YEARS IN OUR COUNTRY. AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF HOW LONG SLAVERY LASTED HERE, IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT THAT WE COMMEMORATE THE FACT THAT WE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT BEING AN AMERICAN AND BEING IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE GOING AND GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYBODY. SO I'M SUPER EXCITED THAT WE CONTINUE IN OUR CITY TO CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE ITS HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR TEXAS. SO I HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE TO READ, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM OUR LEANDER PUBLIC ARTS AND CULTURE COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT.

WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS HERE. FROM THERE WE HAVE FOLKS FROM DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY INCORPORATED HERE TO CELEBRATE. WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THAT ORIGINAL COMMISSION THAT HELPED ME PLAN THIS EVENT. SO WENDELL, PASTOR WENDELL WAS HERE. I KNOW KEISHA WAS HERE SOMEWHERE. I SAW HER IN HERE. OH, SHE'S OVER HERE RAISING HER HAND. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AS WE READ THIS. WHEREAS ON JUNE 19TH, 1865, MAJOR GENERAL GORDON GRANGER ARRIVED IN GALVESTON, TEXAS, TO ANNOUNCE THE END OF BOTH THE CIVIL WAR AND SLAVERY IN ACCORDANCE WITH PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION. AND WHEREAS, IN 1866, TEXANS BEGAN CELEBRATING JUNE 19TH, ALSO KNOWN AS EMANCIPATION DAY, FREEDOM DAY, JUNETEENTH, NATIONAL INDEPENDENCE DAY WITH COMMUNITY CENTRIC EVENTS SUCH AS COOKOUTS, PRAYER GATHERINGS, READINGS, AND MUSICAL PERFORMANCES. AND WHEREAS, IN 1980, THROUGH THE EFFORTS OF STATE REPRESENTATIVE AL EDWARDS, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE DESIGNATED EMANCIPATION DAY IN TEXAS AS A STATE HOLIDAY, THE FIRST COMMEMORATION OF EMANCIPATION ACCORDED OFFICIAL STATE RECOGNITION. AND WHEREAS JUNETEENTH IS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY OBSERVED IN APPRECIATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN EXPERIENCE AND TO CELEBRATE BLACK HERITAGE AND ACHIEVEMENT WHILE ENCOURAGING CONTINUOUS REFLECTION AND RESPECT FOR ALL CULTURES. AND WHEREAS, ON SATURDAY, JUNE 14TH, 2025, THE CITY OF LEANDER HOSTS THE JUNETEENTH BLOCK PARTY AT ROBIN BLEDSOE PARK WITH THIS YEAR'S THEME OF STILL WE RISE STRENGTH, SPIRIT AND SOLIDARITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, OUR I, MAYOR CHRISTINE DELISLE, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE. SATURDAY, JUNE 14TH, 2025 AS THE CITY OF LEANDER JUNETEENTH BLOCK PARTY. SO CAN WE HAVE THE LPAC COMMITTEE MEMBERS COME UP? THE ONES THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT ANYWAY? YAY! SORRY I DIDN'T SEE ALL OF Y'ALL IN HERE. Y'ALL ARE ALL HERE. GREAT. AND SO, SAMMY, YOUR CHAIR. RIGHT? COULD YOU GIVE US SOME COMMENTS ON JUNETEENTH OR WOULD YOU LIKE KEISHA TO DO IT? SHE'S LIKE, WELL, THANKS. SO IF YOU COULD SHARE ABOUT YOUR COMMITTEE, THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO WITH LPAC AND HOW THIS ALL CAME TO BE FOR THIS YEAR AND WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON ON SATURDAY, JUNE 14TH? SURE. MY NAME IS KEISHA BRADFORD. I'M ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR OH, I'M SO SORRY. I'M KEISHA BRADFORD,

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SINCE WE'RE NUMBER EIGHT IN THE COUNTRY. AND SO ANYWAY, SO THIS THIS YEAR'S JUNETEENTH, WE ARE YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FUN. OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR SOULFUL SOUNDS PARTY BAND AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LINE DANCE INSTRUCTION BY SONYA RANGEL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIVE ART BEING PAINTED DURING THE EVENT, AND WE'RE GOING TO RAFFLE OFF THAT PAINTING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT. SO THERE IS PLENTY, PLENTY TO DO. AND PLEASE BRING OUT THE FAMILY. OH, YES. FOOD TRUCKS. WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE POOL, SO THE POOL IS FREE FOR EVERYONE THAT IS THERE. SO PLEASE COME OUT, ENJOY. HAVE A GOOD TIME. THERE'S LOTS TO DO. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK, NOT JUST WITH JUNETEENTH OR MLK, BUT ALL OF THE EVENTS THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, CARING SO MUCH ABOUT ART IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT.

Y'ALL READY FOR A PICTURE? SURE. ALL RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE FOR THIS, PLEASE COME UP, JOIN US FOR THE PICTURE SO WE CAN GET Y'ALL IN THERE. THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT. NIGHT.

YES Y'ALL WE GOT A COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. Y'ALL. Y'ALL. SAMI COMING UP. DO YOU WANT TO HOLD IT. YES YES. CHRISTIE. NO NO NO. HIDING HIDING. I GOT HIDING OKAY. MAKE SURE YOU CAN SEE ME.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. OH, YEAH. OH, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ALL ALL ALL. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO ITEM EIGHT. OUR STAFF REPORTS. FIRST UP IS A STATE

[8. Staff Reports

• State Legislative Update
• Economic Development Programs

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THAT IS IMPACTFUL. HB 1318 WOULD REQUIRE CITIES TO PAY FOR TRANSFER TO PROPERTY AND DAMAGES TO A UTILITY OWNED, MUNICIPALLY OWNED UTILITY SEEKING A DURING ANNEXATION. SENATE BILL 1844.

THIS WAS INITIALLY VERY PROBLEMATIC WHERE IT WOULD ALLOW ANNEXATION PROCEEDINGS SHOULD A CITY NOT PROVIDE ANY KIND OF PUBLIC SERVICE. WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET AN AMENDMENT ON THIS BILL AND ACTUALLY MET WITH THE BILL, AUTHORS AND STUFF, AND WE WERE ABLE TO BRACKET OFF TO THE AREAS WHERE THEY WERE PROBLEMATIC. AND SO WE'RE GLAD THEY WERE ABLE TO CARVE THIS OUT. FINANCE RELATED BILLS SB 924. THIS WAS ALSO A BILL THAT WAS INITIALLY PROBLEMATIC THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED CITIES FROM CHARGING CABLE FRANCHISE FEES. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AT THE CAPITOL FOR THIS, AND SO THE INTENT OF THIS BILL NOW WITH AN AMENDMENT IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON SATELLITE PROVIDERS AND STREAMING PROVIDERS WHO CURRENTLY DON'T PAY ANY CABLE FRANCHISE FEES. AND SO THAT WAS JUST A CLARIFYING AMENDMENT. AND SO STAFF AND LEGAL HAVE LOOKED FURTHER INTO THIS BILL AND CURRENT STATUTES, AND WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR CURRENT FRANCHISE FEES FOR CABLE PROVIDERS. SO SB 1173, THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER GOOD BILL THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING WITH WHICH WOULD INCREASE OUR COMPETITIVE BIDDING THRESHOLD TO 100,000. OKAY, ANOTHER BIG DISCUSSION AT THE CAPITOL THIS YEAR WAS THE AS IT RELATES TO IMPACT FEES AND GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND CEOS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THANKFULLY, A LOT OF THOSE CEOS AND GEO BONDS DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH, BUT THIS ONE MADE IT THROUGH SB 1883 AS IT RELATES TO IMPACT FEES. AND THE BIG CONCERN FROM THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS BEING OVERCHARGED AND STUFF LIKE THAT FROM CERTAIN CITIES. AND SO THIS BILL WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROHIBIT A CITY FROM INCREASING INCREASING IMPACT FEE WITHIN THREE YEARS FROM THE DATE THAT IT WAS LAST ADOPTED OR INCREASED. SO. ALL RIGHT, ALSO A BIG DISCUSSION WAS LAND USE BILLS, PARTICULARLY AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WAS A HUGE PUSH NOT ONLY AT THE STATE LEVEL BUT NATIONAL LEVEL. AND SO HOUSE BILL 2464, THIS RELATES TO NO IMPACT HOME BASED BUSINESSES. AND SO WITH THIS, CITIES WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO ALLOW PERMITS, ZONING, OTHER KIND OF REGULATIONS BASED ON THIS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS BILL AND THE DEFINITIONS FOR THAT CLOSELY. AND WORKING WITH LEGAL TO LOOK AT CURRENT STATUTES AS WELL, AND COMPARE WITH OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES AND HOW THAT IMPACTS IT. SENATE BILL 15. THIS WAS A BIG PUSH FOR THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WOULD CAP MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR UNPLATTED PROPERTIES, AND THIS WOULD CREATE SMALL, REALLY SMALL LOTS WITHIN THESE ZONING RESTRICTIONS. IT DOES APPLY TO ONLY CITIES OVER 150,000. BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, NOW'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO START PLANNING THAT GROWTH. AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THAT COMP PLAN DONE AND OR UPDATED. AND SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD. SB 840, ANOTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PUSH BILL. THIS WOULD ALLOW MIXED USE AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN NON RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PROHIBITS OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE THEM. AND SO THERE'S THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TURNING STRIP CENTERS RETAIL AREAS INTO THESE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. AND SO THIS BILL DID GET PASSED THROUGH. AGAIN IT APPLIES TO CITIES OVER 150,000. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT AS

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THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT CITIES WERE TRYING TO ANNEX PROPERTIES WHERE THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE SERVICES. AND SO THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW A PROCESS TO WHERE CITIES WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF SERVICE PLAN TO AN ESD THAT WOULD AGREE. HOWEVER, THOSE WEREN'T SPECIFIC. AND SO WE AND SOME OTHER CITIES AND HTML WORKED ON PROPOSING LANGUAGE TO ALLOW AN ARBITRATION PROCESS. SO IN CASE THERE'S DISAGREEMENT, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT FORMAL PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT A PLAN.

FROM TAX BILLS. HB 30. THIS WOULD PREVAIL. REPEAL PROVISION AUTHORIZING CITIES TO ADOPT A PROPERTY TAX RATE THAT EXCEEDS THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE WITHOUT HOLDING AN ELECTION FOLLOWING A DISASTER. THIS IS THIS WAS A BIG BILL THAT WAS PUSHED FOR AN AMENDMENT BY A LOT OF THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES. AND OBVIOUSLY HERE IN THE AREAS, TOO, WHEN WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF TORNADOES OR EVEN AREAS WITH WILDFIRE, IT COULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC. SO AN AMENDMENT WAS CARVED OUT TO HELP, YOU KNOW, CITIES IN CASE THERE WERE EMERGENCIES AND DISASTERS. AND, YOU KNOW, IN A YEAR, SB 1405, THIS IS PART OF THAT BIG PUSH FOR BROADBAND ACCESSIBILITY. AND SO THIS WOULD EXEMPT INTERNET ACCESS SERVICES FROM SALES TAX. A REALLY GREAT BILL, SB 1555, WHICH HAS BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, WOULD ESTABLISH A GRANT PROGRAM TO FUND RAILROAD GRADE SEPARATION PROJECTS. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR REPRESENTATIVE WAS ACTUALLY CO-SPONSOR AND A COAUTHOR OF THIS BILL. SO WE'RE GLAD THIS ONE GOT PUSHED THROUGH. AND I'VE BEEN IN ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR TECH STAFF LEGISLATIVE OFFICE ON THIS. AND THEY DO HAVE A THEY'RE PREPARING DRAFT GRANT RULES RIGHT NOW. SO I'M KEEPING IN TUNE WITH THAT. AND WHEN THOSE GET RELEASED, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO VOICE OUR, OUR NEEDS HERE IN THE CITY. OKAY. WATER BILLS HB 517. THIS WOULD PROTECT HOMEOWNERS AND HOA FROM BEING FINED FROM THE HOA FOR, YOU KNOW, BROWN GRASS DURING A DROUGHT. AND IT'S THE BILL WAS AUTHORED TO HELP SAVE WATER AS PART OF THAT, HB 685 WOULD PROHIBIT A CITY FROM ESTABLISHING A HIGHER RATE FOR WATER SEWER UTILITIES, BUT IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO ENTITIES THAT QUALIFY FOR SALES TAX OR PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION. SO I'M SO SORRY. I WANT TO JUMP IN HERE WHEN HB 517 GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, CAN WE GET THAT ADDED TO OUR WEBSITE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THEY CAN'T GET CALLED OUT BY THEIR HOA ANYMORE? YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, I KNOW THAT'S SOME OF THE BILLS WE'VE BEEN TRACKING TO HELP COMMUNICATE OUT THERE AS WELL.

EXCELLENT. YEAH I KNOW Y'ALL GET ALL THE CALLS TO. ALL RIGHT. SO SOME MORE WATER BILLS. OBVIOUSLY WATER IS A HUGE PRIORITY FOR THE STATE AND FOR US HB 2712. AND THIS JUST REALLY CREATES A KIND OF REQUIREMENTS FOR A CITY TO FIX RATES BASED ON DATA FOR WATER AND SEWER USAGE. AND SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL AS WE BEGIN TO, YOU KNOW, DO A POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, WATER RATE STUDY THIS YEAR. SB 1253. THIS ALLOWS THE CITY TO PROVIDE A CREDIT FOR AGAINST WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES TO A BUILDER OR DEVELOPER THAT CONSTRUCTS OR DEDICATES, YOU KNOW, ELIGIBLE WATER REUSE, CONSERVATION OR SAVINGS FACILITIES. ALL RIGHT. AND THE

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WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS, BOTH OUR REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALLIES, WILLIAMSON COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP, AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITY AUSTIN. IT'S ALSO VITAL FOR US TO MAINTAIN GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, OUR BROKERAGE AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES. SO WE STAY IN VERY CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH WITH THOSE AS WELL AS EXISTING BUSINESSES AS OUR BUSINESSES ARE, ARE SCALING AND GROWING IN LEANDER. WE WANT TO CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAIN THEM AS WELL AS HELP THEM FIND A FIND A HOME FOR THEIR EXPANSION NEEDS. FROM A PROGRAMING STANDPOINT, ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES IS CERTAINLY THE RECRUITMENT OF PRIMARY EMPLOYERS. AS WE START TO GET MORE PRODUCT HERE ON THE ON THE LINE IN A IN LEANDER, I THINK WE'LL BE MUCH BETTER POSITIONED TO LAND SOME OF THESE RECRUITMENTS. WHEN WE LOOK AT PRIMARY EMPLOYERS, WE'RE TYPICALLY INCENTIVIZING THEM THROUGH FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, THROUGH REBATES OF PROPERTY TAXES, AS WELL AS SALES TAXES, WHEN, WHEN APPLICABLE. I DID WANT TO NOTE THIS IS THE MOST COMPETITIVE ASPECT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE LARGER COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING IN THE REGION, EVERY COMMUNITY'S TARGETING THOSE. IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS HERE AT OUR UPCOMING THE BUDGET PROCESS, IS CREATING A SEPARATE INCENTIVE FUND TO TARGET INCENTIVE FUND TO HELP US BE MORE COMPETITIVE IN THAT IN THAT REGARD. SO FUTURE CONVERSATIONS HERE ON ON THAT COMING, COMING SOON. WHAT PROBABLY KEEPS US THE MOST BUSY AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME IS, IS RESTAURANTS. AND THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THAT THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WHILE WE HAVEN'T HAD TO INCENTIVIZE MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE COME IN, WE DO HAVE A DESTINATION RESTAURANT INCENTIVE PROGRAM

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ALL RIGHT, SMALL BUSINESSES, WE'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH A SOFTWARE PROGRAM CALLED SIZE UP LEANDER THAT'S GOING TO LOOK AT PROVIDING CUSTOMER MAPPING AS WELL AS SOME BENCHMARKING FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS ENTREPRENEURS. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, THIS PROGRAM WILL BE LAUNCHED. WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THAT ONE GOING. IT ALSO HAS A SHOP LOCAL FEATURE IN THERE AS AS WELL. WE'VE ALSO WORKED VERY OR HE'S TAKING THE LEAD ON IT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON OUR SMALL BUSINESS GUIDE, AND WE'RE ON THE FINAL TOUCHES THERE ON THE ON THE GUIDE. AND IT'S REALLY A STEP BY STEP HANDBOOK THAT GIVES BUSINESSES A, AN IDEA OF HOW TO HOW TO OPEN A BUSINESS HERE IN IN LEANDER. ALL RIGHT, OLD TOWN, WE'VE GOT OUR OLD TOWN INCENTIVE PROGRAM HERE. THIS FISCAL YEAR, COUNCIL ALLOCATED $250,000 TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.

STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON CREATING SOME GUIDELINES ON HOW TO DEPLOY THOSE. THOSE FUNDS.

WE'VE COME UP WITH TWO INITIAL THOUGHTS THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE AND START THE CONVERSATION WITH, WITH COUNCIL ON TWO, TWO BUCKETS OF FUNDS ONES, A FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THIS WOULD BE A MATCHING GRANT OF UP TO $20,000 FOR OUR BUSINESSES IN IN OLD TOWN FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR BUSINESSES WITH THE GOAL OF REALLY GETTING FOLKS OFF THE OFF THE SIDELINES AND INVESTING BOTH FROM BUSINESSES AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS. AND THE SECOND PROGRAM WOULD BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. INFRASTRUCTURE IN PARTICULAR IS A USUALLY A LARGER ITEM THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY. SO FOR DEVELOPERS WHO ARE LOOKING AT ADDING IN ITEMS THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY, SUCH AS UTILITY EXTENSIONS AS WELL AS SIDEWALK EXTENSIONS, IT'S A LARGER POOL OF FUNDING FOR THOSE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OF UP TO $50,000. SO WE'LL HAVE THIS IS VERY INITIAL AND WE'LL HAVE WE'LL CONTINUE HERE IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS TO HAVE SOME DIALOG WITH, WITH COUNCIL AS WE REALLY START TO REFINE THIS, THIS PROGRAM. ALL RIGHT. ON THE OUTREACH WITH WITH US HAVING MORE SOME QUALITY ANNOUNCEMENTS OF LATE WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, WE'VE WANTED TO STEP UP HOW WE COMMUNICATE THOSE WINS AND IN THE STORY TO OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WE JUST LAUNCHED HERE. WITHIN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STORY MAP. SO THIS GIVES A OVERVIEW OF ALL OF OUR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN LEANDER. THIS CAN BE FOUND ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE. IT'S ALSO CAN BE USED BY RESIDENTS WHEN THEY WANT TO KNOW JUST WHAT'S UNDER WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THERE. THEY CAN PULL UP THE SITE. AND WE ALSO HAVE EMBEDDED IN THERE BROCHURES OF PROJECTS AS WELL AS TIMELINES, SO THEY CAN GET AN IDEA ON WHEN THESE PROJECTS ARE, ARE COMING ON ONLINE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE ON THE LEANDER LAMP LIMELIGHT, WHICH IS A PUBLICATION THAT'S DONE ACROSS ALL OF OUR SOCIAL CHANNELS. EVERY THURSDAY, WE'RE ANNOUNCING AND FEATURING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING INTO THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S GOTTEN A GOOD AMOUNT OF ENGAGEMENT THUS FAR. AND AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED ON ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN, IN LEANDER. AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL NOTE WE DO HAVE OUR SMALL BUSINESS FORUM COMING UP HERE NEXT MONDAY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. HERE FROM AT STARTING AT 6:00 HERE NEXT, NEXT MONDAY.

I'M SORRY. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT PROGRAM AND WHO CAN ATTEND. YEP. ANY ANY RESIDENT ANYONE

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HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR WORKED ON THAT? I WAS JUST WONDERING. YEAH, I'LL ADDRESS THE LIMELIGHTS FIRST. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CONTENT, SO. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE CAN CAN DO THAT. AND YES, ON THE ON THE ENTERTAINMENT FRONT, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE, THOSE GROUPS OKAY. PREDOMINANTLY I THINK SALES TAX REBATES IS WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE IN THE PAST AND WANT TO CONTINUE THAT. I THINK FROM A MARKET STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOW PUSHING 90,000 PEOPLE. IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT HERE. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS BRINGING GROUPS IN ON THAT FRONT. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE EXHIBITING ON MONDAY? YES, WE CAN. WE'VE GOT A FEW PANELISTS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING. SHARKS BURGER, AS WELL AS LEANDER I KNOW ARE ARE GOING TO BE A FEW OF THE BUSINESSES HERE. GREAT. THANKS.

ANYTHING FURTHER COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]

SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

[22. Conduct a Public Hearing pursuant to Chapter 26, Texas Parks and Wildlife Code regarding the proposed dedication of a utility easement on public parkland located on Lot 17, Block F, Crystal Springs Phase 1 Subdivision more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel WCAD Parcel R573921, Leander, Williamson County, Texas, for the purpose of installation, maintenance, and operation of underground electrical facilities and other utilities; whether there is no feasible and prudent alternative to the use or taking of such land; and whether the project includes all reasonable planning to minimize harm to the land, as a park.
 

• Discuss and consider action an Ordinance making findings pursuant to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Code, regarding the easement dedication as described above requiring use of public parkland for the utility easement and installation of public infrastructure; approving the form of the easement and authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute any and all necessary documents

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE MAKING FINDINGS PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE CODE REGARDING THE EASEMENT DEDICATION AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY. COUNCIL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND.

MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES

[23. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-25-0159 to amend the current zoning of SFR-1-B (Single-Family Rural) to adopt the VFW Post 10427 Minor PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the base zoning district of LC-2-A (Local Commercial) on three (3) parcels of land approximately 22.409 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R031314, R375914, and R433127; and more commonly known as 8760 RM 2243, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.   

• Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-25-0159 as described above.

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WELCOME BACK. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS A MINOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE VFW. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED WITH INTERIM ZONING DISTRICTS OF SINGLE FAMILY, RURAL AND SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN. THEY'RE REQUESTING THIS PUD TO SUPPORT THEIR SPECIAL EVENT USES THAT THEY HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON THE PROPERTY. THIS WILL ALSO ESTABLISH A LOCAL COMMERCIAL BASE ZONING DISTRICT IN CASE THEY DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING MORE PERMANENT IN THE FUTURE. THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AT THEIR MEETING IN APRIL. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN. MY NAME IS CHRIS FIELDER. I'M REPRESENTING THE VFW TONIGHT, AS MR. GRIFFIN HAD SAID. SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES. IT WAS ZONED A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY. IT'S CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, SO ANYTIME, LIKE THE BIG PUMPKIN PATCH FESTIVAL THAT THEY JUST HAD, THAT'S THEIR LARGEST FUNDRAISER FOR THE YEAR. AND ANYTIME THEY WANT TO DO THOSE TYPE OF FESTIVALS OR HAVE A LIVE MUSIC EVENT, OR THEY'VE GOT BARBECUE, COOKOFFS AND MULTIPLE THINGS. OBVIOUSLY THE V IS A NONPROFIT AND THEY SURVIVE OFF OF FUNDRAISERS LIKE THESE EVENTS. THEY'VE HAVING TO COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. SO THANKS TO MISS GRIFFIN, WHO WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS, AND I WANT TO THANK HER AGAIN, BECAUSE SHE'S SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THIS TO DETERMINE IN THIS POD IF WE COULD DO A MINOR PUD AND CHANGE THE ZONING TO MEET WITH THE CURRENT COMP PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO DETERMINE THE USES THAT COULD BE USED ON THIS IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID, WAS ESTABLISHED AND WE TRIED TO PUT EVERYTHING IN HERE. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WITH PENS OF, YOU KNOW, ARE WE BUILDING A BOWLING ALLEY? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CASE IS.

THIS IS MORE AT THIS POINT TO ESTABLISH THAT ZONING. IF THERE IS ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY DECIDE THIS IS NOT IN THE PLANS. I'M NOT TRYING TO START A RUMOR, BUT IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO SELL PORTION OF THIS LAND AS A FUNDRAISER TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING, THEY'RE STILL ON SEWER OUT THERE. I MEAN, ON SEPTIC, THEY'RE NOT EVEN ON SEWER YET IN THEIR BUILDING. SO ALL THOSE THINGS COME INTO PLAY AS A NONPROFIT. AND ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT OUR CO-CHAIR OF PLANNING AND ZONING MADE WAS THAT WORKING ALONGSIDE OUR VETERANS, NOT ONLY OUR VETERANS, BUT OUR NONPROFITS, IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO AS A HEALTHY CITY. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE AND THE NEED AND THE REQUIREMENT. AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. MAYOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. I DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ANITA. GOOD EVENING. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, ANITA, 708 PALMAS DRIVE. GLAD TO BE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO VOICE MY FULL SUPPORT FOR THE VFW POST TEN FOR 27 ZONING REQUEST. AS A RESIDENT AND AS A BOARD MEMBER OF MARBELLA HOA, I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT THE VFW IS A VALUABLE NEIGHBOR. WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY INSTANCES OF A NOISE COMPLAINT DURING THE PUMPKIN FESTIVAL. AS LONG AS THE SITE PLAN TAKES CARE TO DESIGN ANY OF THE OUTDOOR MUSIC DIRECTION IN A DIRECTIONAL MANNER, WE DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES. I'VE ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO MEET SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE VFW. AFTER THE PNC MEETING. JEAN, CHRIS, OTHERS. NOT ONLY ARE THESE GUYS HILARIOUS AND A JOY TO TALK WITH, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE WORK THEY DO FOR VETERANS AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY IS INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL. THIS ZONING CHANGE GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO EXPAND THEIR WORK WITH NEW USES, ALL OF WHICH WOULD BE GREAT ADDITIONS TO OUR PART OF TOWN. I I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z-250159 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY. I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SAY. SO YOU MENTIONED A FEW EVENTS, ESPECIALLY THE BARBECUE COOK OFF. I'VE BEEN THERE LAST YEAR. I GOT TO BE A JUDGE, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRIBE SOME MORE OF US TO BE JUDGES, BECAUSE THAT WAS A REALLY WONDERFUL EVENT AND I REALLY ENJOYED IT. BUT NO, YOU GUYS REALLY DO A FANTASTIC JOB.

THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY. I LOVE GOING OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. I'M ACTUALLY A MEMBER OF THE VFW. AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, BEING AROUND PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE DONE THE SAME THING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND BEEN A PART OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE IS

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AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST AT THE POST, BUT ALL OF THE OUTREACH THAT YOU DO. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE WERE VERY BLESSED WITH A LUNCH FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND IT'S JUST SO KIND. AND YOU GUYS ALWAYS TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. I HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT YOU WERE TAKING OUT ALL OF THESE PERMITS REGULARLY, SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CLEAN THAT UP. MR. FIELDER, I KNOW THAT THIS POD HAS TAKEN VARIOUS FORMS TO GET HERE, AND THINGS DON'T ALWAYS FIT EASILY INTO OUR BOXES WITH WITH ORDINANCES. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A REQUEST EARLY ON TO HAVE SOME STORAGE OF MEMBER RVS. WOULD THE VFW STILL LIKE TO DO THAT? YEAH. SO THAT THAT IS CORRECT. AND THE REASON WHY WE TOOK IT OUT IS WE WANTED OBVIOUSLY TO MATCH WITH THE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE CURRENT ZONING AND MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING FUTURE FIT WITHIN THAT THE LAND IS NOT DESIGNED FOR, IF YOU WOULD FOR A FULL RV STORAGE, BUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPOTS ARE MAYBE LIMITING IT TO 40 SPOTS, SAY WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. THEY'VE GOT SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS THAT STORE THEIR THEIR FIFTH WHEELS, RVS, BOATS. MAYBE IF WE DID ON THE BACK PART OF THE LAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPTION. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER ADDING TO THE POD.

THANK YOU. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LAND GOING BACK. THE LAND NEXT TO THEM ON THE EAST IS ALREADY A SELF-STORAGE. THEY'RE IN THE EMPLOYMENT ZONE, WHICH HAS VARIOUS USES, SOME OF WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL. SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE OUT OF PLACE. SO I'M HOPING COUNCIL Y'ALL WILL CONSIDER ALLOWING 40 SPACES FOR AERIAL. OH, CLAIRE. WHAT'S THAT? IS IT THE MIDDLE ONE? THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS THAT WAS THE POINT COMMUNITY CENTER. SO WE CAN'T AMEND IT. SO THIS IS THE BUILDING AND THIS WOULD BE MORE OF THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR HERE. THIS IS 20. OH, SORRY. THIS 2243. AND WE DO HAVE A NEW ROAD COMING HERE. HERO WAY EXTENSION IS COMING UP THROUGH HERE FOR THE NEW SCHOOL THAT'S GOING ON. THIS THIS PORTION OF LAND. THANK YOU. THERE'S SOME LEGAL DIFFICULTIES. LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. SHE WANTS TO KNOW, DO THEY NEED TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND DO IT AS AMENDMENT, AMENDING IT WITH THE NEW PUBLIC NOTICE? OR DO WE JUST KEEP. I THINK YOU JUST JUST APPROVE THIS PUD AND THEN WE'LL PROCESS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD TO ADD THE USE SO WE CAN DO THE NEW PUBLIC NOTICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. SO IS SO THIS BECOMES PART OF THE PERMANENT ZONING OF THIS LOCATION. YES.

YEAH. WITH THE LIMITS AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. UNLESS THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT AND THEN THEY CHANGE THEIR, THEIR PUD. YEAH. SO WILL YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE MOTION AND WHAT IT IS. SO THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT AS IS I'M THINKING WE NEED TO TAKE A, A JUST A FEEL FOR COUNCIL IF THEY WANT TO GO WITH AN AMENDMENT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. THEY WANT TO PROCESS AMENDMENT AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTICE. SO WOULD WE DO THAT IMMEDIATELY OR SORRY. SO YOU CAN APPROVE THIS PUD NOW AND THEN THE VFW CAN APPLY FOR AN AMENDMENT. AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. IT WOULD YEAH. IT GOES BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

CORRECT. SO WHAT KIND OF SO THEY CAN CONTINUE WITH THEIR LIVES AND GET THEIR STAGE WHILE THEY WORK ON THIS AMENDMENT TO ADD THE RV STORAGE. SO I THINK THAT'S OUR GOAL. RIGHT. IT IS.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MOTION A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. SORRY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO AMEND THAT ON THE FLOOR. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD FILE AMENDMENT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING AND OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IN FAVOR OF AN AMENDMENT I'M SEEING NODS. OKAY. I THINK YOU SHOULD FILE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM

[24. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-25-0030 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance to adopt standards and a permitting process associated with micro-trenching, and to provide for related matters; Williamson & Travis Counties, Texas.  

• Discuss and consider action regarding Ordinance Case OR-25-0030 as described above.

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WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ITEMS IN THE AMENDMENT, OR DO YOU WANT TO REFRESH HER ON MICRO TRENCHING, OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A REFRESHER ON MICRO TRENCHING. DO ANY OF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED IT? SOME OF Y'ALL ARE NEW. OKAY, DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENT OR ARE WE ALL GOOD ON THAT RIGHT NOW? I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT. CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW, PLEASE? OF COURSE. OKAY. SO AS PART OF THE AMENDMENT WE ARE ADDING MICRO TRENCHING. THERE IS A TYPO IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE IT SAYS NO MORE THAN THREE APPLICATIONS FOR MICRO TRENCHING PER PROVIDER MAY BE SUBMITTED. THE INTENT WAS A TOTAL OF TEN CONCURRENTLY. SO WE'RE GOING TO STRIKE THAT WITH THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE. SO WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF TEN PERMITS AT ONCE. WE'RE ALSO SAYING THAT THEY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE TRENCH ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY. WE DID PRESENT AN OPTION IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PURSUE MULTIPLE TRENCHES THAT WOULD SUPPORT TWO. IF THEY DO A MILL AND OVERLAY OF THE SECTION, AND GINA CAN TALK MORE ABOUT HOW THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE STREET, IT'S JUST PART OF THE STREET.

WE'RE ONLY SUPPORTING IT ON STREETS WITH CURB AND GUTTER. AND THE LAST ITEM WAS THE STRUCTURES ASSOCIATED WITH MICRO TRENCHING WOULD HAVE TO BE SCREENED FROM VIEW. SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE WHEN THEY DO THE HUTS, THEY WOULD HAVE A SCREENING WALL. WHEN YOU'RE NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND WE'RE REQUIRING A TWO YEAR WARRANTY BOND FOR ALL MICRO TRENCHING WORK. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE CAN ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS AFTER THE HEARING.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. I HAVE A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. FIRST UP IS BERT HOLMQUIST. GOOD EVENING, MISS HOLMQUIST. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. HI. MY NAME IS BERT HOLMQUIST. I'M AT 816 CONGRESS AVENUE, SUITE 1100. I'M ALSO THE EXTERNAL AFFAIRS LEAD SUPPORTING LEANDER ON BEHALF OF AT&T. AT&T HAS BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS OF PUBLIC WORKS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND MEETING WITH US THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR ENGAGING WITH US INDIVIDUALLY OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS TO DISCUSS THE IMPORTANT ISSUE. FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LAST MONTH'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. AT&T SUPPORTS THE OVERALL GOALS OF THIS ORDINANCE. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE CURRENT DRAFT, BEFORE YO, NOT NECESSARILY THE RECOMMENDATIONS. MANY OF OUR PREVIOUSLY EXPRESSED CONCERNS REMAIN. THE LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU TODAY STILL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR WIDENING OF THE NUMBER OF TRENCHES IN THE ROADWAY TO TWO ON EACH SIDE IN AN EFFORT TO ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN ONE PROVIDER, ALLOWING MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO. MICRO TRENCH FOSTERS HEALTHY COMPETITION, WHICH CAN LEAD TO BETTER SERVICE QUALITY, LOWER PRICES, AND MORE INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR RESIDENTS, ALLOWING MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO WORK CONCURRENTLY CAN ACCELERATE THE DEPLOYMENT OF FIBER NETWORKS, BRINGING HIGH SPEED INTERNET TO THE COMMUNITY MORE QUICKLY. WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO MODIFY THE ORDINANCE TO EXPLICITLY ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO TRENCH ON THE SAME ROADWAYS, ENHANCING COMPETITION AND PROVIDING MORE ROBUST CONNECTIVITY OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS. ADDITIONALLY, AT&T RECOMMENDS THAT PERMITTING MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO MICRO TRENCH ON THE SAME ROADWAYS SHOULD NOT BE CONTINGENT ON ANY MILL AND OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS. SUCH MANDATES COULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE AND IN PRACTICE, FAVOR A SINGLE PROVIDER. WE UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL ROAD DEGRADATION FROM THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE WORK, AND WHY A MILL AND OVERLAY MIGHT BE PROPOSED. HOWEVER, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, THIS IS NOT THE MOST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION. INSTEAD, THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUIRE AN EXTENDED WARRANTY FROM PROVIDERS TO GUARANTEE HIGH QUALITY WORKMANSHIP AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ROADWAYS. DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF, AT&T EXPRESSED WILLINGNESS TO EXPLORE AN EXTENDED WARRANTY AGREEMENT IF THE CITY CHOOSES TO ALLOW MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO MICRO TRENCH ON THE SAME ROADS. AT&T IS COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE AND AIMS TO EXECUTE PROJECTS WITH MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. BEFORE THE ORDINANCE IS FINALIZED, WE ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER MODIFYING THE LANGUAGE TO PERMIT MULTIPLE PROVIDERS TO TRENCH ON THE SAME ROADWAYS, AND TO ADOPT AN EXTENDED WARRANTY REQUIREMENT IN LIEU OF A MILL AND OVERLAY. THIS APPROACH BALANCES PROMOTING COMPETITION WITH PRESERVING THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT RELATES TO

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AS A PROVIDER MANAGING MULTIPLE PROJECTS BEYOND FIBER DEVELOPMENTS, THIS CAP RAISES CONCERNS. WE OFTEN SUBMIT NUMEROUS PERMIT APPLICATIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY TO MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS SERVICE TO RESIDENTS. WE SUGGEST REVISING THIS SECTION TO ALLOW FOR AT LEAST TEN APPLICATIONS IN EACH CATEGORY INDIVIDUALLY, RATHER THAN APPLYING ACCUMULATED CUMULATIVE UNIT. THAT WAS GOOD TIMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO PROBLEM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMAN MCDONALD HAD A NUMBER FOR ME AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN MICHAEL V CORTEZ. GOOD EVENING. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL. JOHN MICHAEL CORTEZ, I'M THE HEAD OF GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR GOOGLE FIBER. WE NOW CALL OURSELVES G FIBER HERE IN AUSTI.

AND THE METRO AREA ADDRESS IS 3601 SOUTH CONGRESS AVENUE. SUITE OR BUILDING J78704 IS WHERE OUR OFFICE IS HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM, TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS AND PROCESSES TO ALLOW FOR MICRO TRENCHING IN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY, AS A MEANS TO FACILITATE BROAD DEPLOYMENT OF FIBER TO THE PREMISE NETWORK.

HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. G FIBER HAS BEEN UTILIZING THIS DEPLOYMENT METHOD FOR PROBABLY AROUND TEN YEARS NOW, PROBABLY HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ANYBODY, CERTAINLY AROUND HERE IN DOING IT. WE'VE GOT MILLIONS OF LINEAR FEET OF MICRO TRENCH FOOTAGE HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS, INCLUDING WITHIN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UNINCORPORATED TRAVIS COUNTY, ROUND ROCK, ROLLING WOOD, SAN ANTONIO, BEXAR COUNTY. THAT'S NOT CENTRAL TEXAS. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO START MICRO TRENCHING IN KYLE AND CEDAR PARK, WESTLAKE HILLS AND LAKEWAY. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS. AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS. WE'VE TRIED A LOT OF THINGS, AND WE THINK OVER TIME WE HAVE DEVELOPED A SET OF PRACTICES THAT REALLY ARE BEST PRACTICES FOR THIS TYPE OF DEPLOYMENT, REFINING OUR MEANS AND OUR METHODS. THIS METHOD, AS HAS BEEN STATED, ALLOWS US TO DEPLOY QUICKLY, SAFELY, CLEANLY AND MINIMALLY DISRUPTIVE TO BOTH PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PROPOSED BY YOUR STAFF ARE LARGELY ALIGNED WITH THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS, AND SO WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT. THERE ARE INDEED A FEW TWEAKS WE WOULD SUGGEST TO THE STANDARDS AND THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE PROCESSES THAT, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, WOULD ALLOW US. AND I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DEPLOY BROADLY AND IN THE MOST VARIED SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE YOUR STANDARDS CREATE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO LEAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS OR SOME COMMERCIAL AREAS BEHIND. WE BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS SERVICE, BECAUSE IT'S A BASIC NEED NOW FOR MOST HOUSEHOLDS. SO WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S RECENT OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY AFFORDED US TO MEET TO DISCUSS THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE THE SECOND READING OF THE OF THE ORDINANCE. AND WE ALSO JUST LOOK FORWARD TO DEPLOYING OUR NETWORK TO SERVE RESIDENTS IN IN SMALL BUSINESSES HERE IN THIS GROWING COMMUNITY.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHED TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE'LL NOW DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE OR DASH 250030 AS DESCRIBED PREVIOUSLY.

COUNCIL. THANK YOU. LET'S START WITH DAVID. SO QUESTION. SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONLY THOSE AREAS WITH CURB AND GUTTER. WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER AREAS IN OUR CITY. WHAT ARE OPTIONS FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. SURE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY GO IN THE SOFT SCAPE BECAUSE TYPICALLY THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THE OPEN DITCHES. BUT BY TRENCHING WITHOUT SOMETHING AS A CURB TO HOLD IT UP, YOU RISK THAT PART OF THE PAVEMENT BASICALLY FALLING OFF YOU SEE IT IN WOULD VIEW AS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHERE ALL THAT EDGE CRACKING AND EVERYTHING JUST THERE'S NO SUPPORT THERE. SO THAT'S OUR, OUR CONCERN THERE IS YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THAT CURB SUPPORT. SO THEY COULD GO OUTSIDE INTO THE INTO THE SOFT SCAPE. AND I THINK ON SOME OF THOSE AREN'T THEY ABLE TO GO FROM THE POLES DOWN. I BELIEVE I SEE ROBIN NODDING.

YEAH. THERE YOU GO. SHE'S POTTY. SO I GUESS ALSO QUESTION FOR ONE OF OUR COMMENTERS FROM G FIBER.

IS THAT PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE FROM THE AREAS YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED IN? CORRECT. THAT'S ROUND ROCK DOESN'T ALLOW CURBLESS STREETS TO BE TRENCHED. I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON GEORGETOWN'S.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. ARE THERE NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ALLOW

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AND IS THAT I WOULD ASK MAYBE SOME OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES, IS THAT SOMEWHAT OF A COMMON BUSINESS PRACTICE WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE UP TO THREE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE? HI, BERT HOLMQUIST AGAIN WITH AT&T IN THE CITIES WHERE WE SEE MULTIPLE TRENCHES, MOST COMMONLY IN SAN ANTONIO, THE MILL AND OVERLAY IS NOT A REQUIREMENT NOR POPULARLY UTILIZED BECAUSE OF THE COST PROHIBITION. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECOND A SECOND ONE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THINGS FROM YOU, BERT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE IN THAT. AND THEN I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU ABOUT WHAT WE, WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS ON IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT. BUT I JUST KIND OF WONDER, LIKE, SO IS ONE OF YOU LIKE THE FIRST MOVER AND THE SECOND MOVER, AND SO ONE'S GOING TO FOLLOW THE OTHER AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TWO. OR IS IT LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE I, I GET THE CONCERN, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING LIKE WHY ONE'S TAKING ONE POSITION AND ONE'S NOT THE OTHER. SO IF WE DON'T DO THE SO WE GET TO IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING MORE SERVICE FOR OUR CITIZENS IF WE APPROVE IT OR OR ARE WE REALLY NOT? THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN. AS WE HAVE SEEN IT, ABOUT 40% OF LEANDER RESIDENTS WOULD STAND TO BENEFIT FROM MICRO TRENCHING, WITH TWO TRENCHES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD ALLOWING FOR MULTIPLE PROVIDERS. US OR A COMPETITOR WOULD EQUALLY BENEFIT FROM IT. SO AS MENTIONED THAT IN GEORGETOWN THEY ALLOW FOR UP TO THREE TRENCHES AND NO ONE'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. DO YOU HAVE USE CASES IN WHICH THERE ARE CITIES AND THERE'S DEVELOPMENTS IN WHICH TWO PROVIDERS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MICRO TRENCHING, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE TRENCHES THAT ARE ALLOWED. SAN ANTONIO I'M WORKING ON A DECK WHERE WE'VE SENT OUR OUR FOLKS OUT THIS WEEK TO TAKE PICTURES OF WHERE WE HAVE TRENCHED ALONGSIDE ANOTHER PROVIDER. I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU WHEN THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPILE THOSE PHOTOS, HOPEFULLY BEFORE SECOND READING.

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE MOST PREDOMINANT USE OF TWO TRENCHES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE WARRANTY. SO SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY PUT DOWN THEIR STUFF AND THEY PUT A TWO YEAR WARRANTY ON IT, AND YOU COME IN AND LAY YOUR STUFF FOR THE NEXT PERSON DOES. AND LET'S SAY THEY PUT A THREE YEAR ON IT. ARE THEY PICKING UP THE WARRANTY OF THE OTHER GUYS OR HOW DOES HOW DOES THAT. SO THE CITY WOULD SET THE SET THE STANDARD FOR THE YEARS OF WARRANTY. WHAT WE PROPOSED WAS A THREE YEAR WARRANTY TO ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE TRENCHES.

THE WAY THAT IT WOULD WORK IS IF YOU COULD DETERMINE WHICH PROVIDER PROVIDED, WHICH SET OF DAMAGES THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. MOST LIKELY THAT WILL BE THE PERSON THAT COMES IN LAST OR THE SECOND PROVIDER IN JUST BECAUSE IT'S MOST RECENT ACTIVITY, AND A SITUATION IN WHICH THE CITY COULD NOT DETERMINE WHICH PROVIDER WAS AT FAULT. BOTH WOULD THEN BE LIABLE FOR SPLITTING THE DAMAGES AND REPAIR REMEDY. YOU ON THIS SIDE, ANDREW. I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO ASK THIS QUESTION. OKAY. KEEP THINKING. DID I HEAR YOU? SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A COMMENT. SO I CURRENTLY LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE HAVE ONE PROVIDER WITH CABLE, I'M SORRY, WITH FIBER. AND I WILL SAY A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT HAPPY.

SO WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, YOU REALLY LIMIT YOURSELF. SO I'M REALLY HESITANT TO JUST BE IN FAVOR OF ONE PER SIDE. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE COMPETITION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE WITH COMPETITION, YOU GET BETTER SERVICE. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT ALSO PROTECTS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR NEEDS TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE EXTEND THAT WARRANTY IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS. WE'RE NOT LIABLE. THE ONES WHO WENT THERE AND CUT INTO OUR STREET AND OUR SERVICE AND INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. I AGREE, AND I LOVE HAVING MORE OPTIONS, MORE

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SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PATCH ON THE ROAD. IF WE HAVE TO DIG TO GET TO IT. YES, WE'LL WE'LL TYPICALLY RESTORE THAT WITH GLOBAL FILL AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY COLD PATCH IT UNTIL WE CAN COME THROUGH AND RE BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU TYPICALLY WOULDN'T DIG, YOU JUST SLIDE THE LINE. YOU BASICALLY. YEAH IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE DAMAGE. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENCES. IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GENERALIZE. BUT YOU KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, IF WHAT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN I THINK IS THE DAMAGE IS DONE BY SOMEBODY ELSE WORKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, ANOTHER UTILITY THAT'S MAKING AN EMERGENCY REPAIR. AND WE DEAL WITH THAT EVERY DAY.

SIMILAR SITUATION. THEY'VE DUG IN THERE AND HIT OUR LINE AGAIN. OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS TO GET YOUR SERVICE BACK UP AND RUNNING, AND WHEN WE CAN GET THE FIBER BACK IN, USUALLY WE'LL RECYCLE THE SAME TRENCH ONCE THEY'RE DONE AND WE CAN SAFELY GET IN THERE. AND THEN SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DUG, LET'S SAY IT WAS THE WATER UTILITY. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO COME BACK AND FIX THE PAVEMENT. ONCE WE'RE BACK INTO THE STREET, THAT HAPPENS MOST OF THE TIME. MR. CORTEZ, I THINK EARLIER IN YOUR COMMENT, YOU SAID G FIBER HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON OUR ORDINANCE.

DID I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH. WE JUST HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE STAFF AND I THINK THEY'RE UNDER CONSIDERATION. OKAY. SO THERE WAS NOTHING IN WHAT YOU SAW IN OUR PACKET THAT YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS. I CAN JUST MENTION A COUPLE OF THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING. ONE IS THE PROHIBITION ON MICRO TRENCHING TO CROSS STREETS. WE THINK THAT THAT IS PROBLEMATIC, ESPECIALLY IN A COMMUNITY LIKE LEANDER, WHERE THE GEOLOGY MAKES DIRECTIONAL DRILLING AND BORING SLOW, KIND OF PAINFUL. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT YOU MEAN BY CROSS STREETS? SORRY. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR MICRO TRENCH RUNNING LINE GOING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, OCCASIONALLY YOU WILL NEED TO CROSS THE STREET. AND SO THE I BELIEVE THE RULES AS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR MICRO TRENCHING ACROSS A STREET LIKE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. YEAH. OR THROUGH STREET. YEAH, THROUGH. WE TRY NOT TO BE IN THE INTERSECTION.

WE TRY TO BE JUST OUTSIDE OF THE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S JUST BEST PRACTICE. BUT NEAR THE INTERSECTION WE OFTEN HAVE CROSSINGS. AND AS IT STANDS WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MICRO TRENCH THOSE CROSSINGS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DOING. AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO IS MINIMIZE DIRECTIONAL DRILLING AND BORING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH ROCK AS YOU KNOW, HERE. RIGHT? AND IT'S ALSO, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, A MUCH MORE DISRUPTIVE METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION. AND MICRO TRENCHING ALLOWS US TO MINIMIZE THAT WITH CROSSINGS. WE'VE TALKED TO THE STAFF ABOUT SOME

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CAN YOU GIVE ME A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THAT'S BENEFITING YOU AS A PROVIDER JUST IN GENERAL? LIKE IF I WERE TO BORE VERSUS MICRO TRENCH, WHAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF COST SAVINGS THAT I WOULD SEE FROM THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF COST SAVINGS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE COST SAVINGS WE WOULD RECEIVE GETS TURNED BACK OVER INTO BROADBAND DEPLOYMENT. SO THE COST SAVINGS IS. FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, PASSED ON TO THE BUSINESS FOR CAPEX INVESTMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT WOULD ACCELERATE YOUR ABILITY AND HELP PAY FOR THAT ACCELERATION OF BROADBAND DEPLOYMENT IN ANY ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. IS THAT DEDICATED TO THAT COMMUNITY, OR IS THAT IN GENERAL? IT'S IN GENERAL. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WHATEVER WE SAVE, WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR SHAREHOLDERS TO REINVEST THAT IN THE COMPANY. AND THE COMPANY IS DRIVEN BY BROADBAND EXPANSION.

SO THAT WOULD BE OUR CHIEF AIM IS TO GET SERVICE WHEREVER WE CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH. I'LL TAKE A SHOT AT ANSWERING IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY. YES. IN THIS SITUATION IT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE. AGAIN, BECAUSE DIRECTIONAL DRILLING WITH THIS GEOLOGY IS DIFFICULT. THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE G FIBER COMMUNITIES WHERE WE DON'T MICRO TRENCH BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO DIRECTIONAL DRILLING BORE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIMESTONE JUST A FEW INCHES DOWN. SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS. YES, IT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY OR MOST COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL TEXAS.

WEST OF I-35. HOWEVER, I WOULD LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY, NOT REALLY AS COST SAVINGS, BUT MORE ABOUT FEASIBILITY, RIGHT? IF THE COSTS EXCEED A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, IT'S NOT AS IF, OH, WELL, WE'LL JUST RAISE THE PRICES THERE OR WHATEVER TO TRY TO RECOVER IT. IT JUST WON'T GET BUILT. SO I WOULD LOOK AT IT NOT NECESSARILY AS A COST SAVINGS RATHER THAN AND THIS IS THE WAY I TRIED TO COUCH IT. WE WANT BROAD DEPLOYMENT. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT IT WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IS IF WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO BORE EXCESSIVELY INSTEAD OF MICRO TRENCH, THOSE AREAS PROBABLY JUST WOULDN'T GET BUILT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE'VE PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK TO THE STAFF IS IN THE PROHIBITION OF MICRO TRENCHING IN THE CURBLESS STREET SCENARIO, THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES IN CENTRAL TEXAS THAT DO NOT ALLOW IT. THERE ARE SOME THAT DO. AND SO WE HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN DOING THAT. AND THE TRADE OFF REALLY IS IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE'S CURBLESS STREETS, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MICRO CHANGE AGAIN, GIVEN THE GEOLOGY AND WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IN IN THE SOFT SCAPE, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT SOFT. THOSE AREAS ARE A LOT LESS FEASIBLE TO ACTUALLY BUILD. NOW THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS LIKE ARIEL AND OTHER THINGS AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. IT JUST IT TAKES AWAY THE FLEXIBILITY. AND SO IT CREATES CONDITIONS WHERE THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE LEFT BEHIND. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. SO ROUNDABOUT WAY OF ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. BUT WE SEE IT MORE AS FEASIBILITY RATHER THAN A COST SAVINGS. MR. CORTEZ, YOU'RE UP HERE. ARE YOU ALL SUPPORTIVE OF MULTIPLE TRENCHES? WE'RE PRETTY AGAIN, SINCE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, WE'RE KIND OF AMBIVALENT. WE WOULD AGREE THAT THE MORE CHOICES, THE BETTER, BUT WE DEFER TO THE STAFF AND THE COUNCIL. WHAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH THERE? WE'VE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS. AND AGAIN, JUST IN OUR EXPERIENCE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN A LOT OF MULTIPLE MICRO TRENCH RUNNING LINES. BUT Y'ALL COULD BE THE FIRST. IF WE WERE TO APPROVE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MICRO TRENCHING. CAN I ASK THE QUESTION OF ON OUR SIDE OF THINGS FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE COMPANIES WOULD NECESSARILY BE DOING THIS, BUT IF WE WERE TO SEE TWO REQUESTS AT THE SAME TIME, AND WE KNEW THAT THEY BOTH WANTED TO SERVICE

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WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO SAY YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE TRENCHES. I FEEL CONFIDENT WE COULD HELP COORDINATE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. OKAY. GOOD. YEAH. SO I'M SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION, BECAUSE MR. CORTEZ JUST MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE DONE STREETS THAT DO NOT HAVE CURBS. SO IF WE'RE REQUIRING THE CONTRACTORS TO PROVIDE A WARRANTY, WHY WOULD WE OR WHY COULD WE NOT ALLOW THAT? I GUESS BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT SEE THOSE FAILURES, RIGHT? IN THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS. YOU COULD SEE THEM LATER ON DOWN THE LINE. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN. THAT EDGE IS JUST VERY FRAGILE, I GUESS. AND SO I, I DON'T I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT. AND AS FAR AS LIKE THE OTHER GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK, THEY ALSO DON'T ALLOW THE TRENCHING OF THE CURBLESS STREETS. I, I JUST I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND JUST IN LIKE AN ENGINEERING ASPECT IS TO NOT HAVE THAT SUPPORT AND THEN TO MAKE A CUT IN YOUR ROAD JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CALL ON COUNCILMEMBER.

YEAH, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT AS WELL. AND THESE CURBLESS AREAS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, ARE THEY PERMANENTLY CURBLESS CORRECT. YEAH. SO THEY WOULD NEVER BE A CURB. I DON'T SEE A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD GO IN AND PUT CURB AND GUTTER IN AN AREA LIKE COUNTY. GLENN.

OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HERRERA I JUST WANTED TO TALK TO THE ORDINANCE IN GENERAL. SO ON THE ON THE LIMITATIONS OF THE APPLICATIONS, I THINK THIS IS A NO MORE THAN TEN APPLICATIONS FOR DRY UTILITY PERMITS PER PROVIDER. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD SEE IS AN ABUSE OF PUTTING IN APPLICATIONS AND BEING KIND OF BLOCKING SOMEBODY ELSE BY ACTING LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO DO STUFF AND THEN YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING. AND SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO PUT THAT THERE SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY PUTS IN A PERMIT, THEY INTEND TO MOVE ON IT. THEY'RE JUST NOT SIGNALING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA AND KNOCKING SOMEBODY ELSE OUT OF SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING IT, BECAUSE I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THE PERMITTING IS TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING AND NOT NECESSARILY SIT ON IT. SO I THINK THAT I JUST WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THAT AND THAT MODIFICATION IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ROSS. AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS COULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS OR GINA, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE BASIC, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, THAT IT'S SORT OF OVERKILL TO HAVE THE LAYOVER TO REPAIR THE STREETS AFTERWARDS. MY QUESTION IS, HOW OFTEN DO WE SEE THESE MICRO CHANGES BEING A PROBLEM, AND THAT THE EITHER THE WARRANTIES HAPPEN TO BE BROUGHT INTO PLAY OR HOW OFTEN? I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PROTECT THINGS, BUT HOW OFTEN IS IT I CAN'T SPEAK TO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER. LIKE HOW HAVE WE CALLED UPON THE TWO YEAR WARRANTY, THAT KIND OF THING, AND MAYBE JOHN MICHAEL OR BIRD CAN SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE IT ELSEWHERE. BUT AS FAR AS THE OVERLAY IS CONCERNED, WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE TRENCH NOW, THERE'S ALREADY A SEAM THERE, RIGHT? SO OUR CONCERN IS NOW YOU'RE PUTTING A NEW CUT IN THE PAVEMENT THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE. SO IT WOULD BE SEALING UP PERMANENTLY THAT CUT. SO THAT'S OUR OUR REQUEST. NO. AND

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SOME OF OUR AS I MENTIONED THIS, AS WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THIS METHOD, SOME OF OUR EARLY MATERIALS WERE NOT AS REFINED AS THE ONES WE USE AND HAVE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO WE HAVE SEEN SOME INSTANCES WHERE WE DID SOME EARLY WORK, LIKE IN AUSTIN, WHERE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH WITH THE TRENCH RESTORATION, WE'RE GOING BACK AND FIXING THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT WAS FROM LIKE SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO. SO BUT THAT'S AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE STILL BUILDING IN AUSTIN. SO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP AND CONTINUE TO GET PERMITS. AND THEY WOULDN'T TAKE IT TOO KINDLY IF WE DIDN'T FIX THINGS THAT WE BROKE, IF THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T GIVE US THAT MANY NEW PERMITS IF THAT WERE THE CASE. SO. BUT SO, YES, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT'S ALWAYS PERFECT, BUT AT LEAST IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT GETS FIXED. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HERRERA. YEAH, THIS IS JUST ONE MORE. THIS IS ON THE ORDINANCE.

SO ON THE YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP THE PERPENDICULAR CROSSINGS. AND SO I THINK IT'D BE USEFUL AS WE KIND OF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER READING OF THIS IS IF WE COULD GET SOME EXAMPLES FROM THE VENDORS OF WHEN THEY WOULD ACTUALLY USE THIS AND WHY, WHY THEY NEED IT AND WHERE, HOW THEY WOULD USE IT, AND SO THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION ON WHAT'S PROPER, JUST ANOTHER SENTENCE OR SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING NO PERPENDICULAR. SO I THINK THAT'D BE USEFUL. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION. I PROMISE FROM A PERMITTING PERSPECTIVE, THE CHANGES OR THE AMENDMENTS TO THIS ORDINANCE. I BELIEVE THIS IS AN EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE AMENDING. CORRECT. WOULD THAT AFFECT ANY OF THE CURRENT PERMITTING AND MAKE IT MORE ONEROUS, OR DOES THIS HELP STREAMLINE THAT PERMITTING? SO THIS IS ADDING MICRO TRENCHING. SO IT'S JUST ADDING TO EXISTING PERMITTING. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. OUTSIDE OF I THINK THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT ARE ALLOWED. CORRECT OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK MY QUESTION OH SORRY. WERE THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS? OKAY. I THINK MY QUESTION IS FOR MISS ELLISON. SECTION. ONE C TRENCH DIMENSIONS, PARTS TWO AND THREE TALK ABOUT MAXIMUM DEPTH, BUT I MISSED WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT MINIMUM DEPTH. SHOULD WE INCLUDE A MINIMUM? PROBABLY SO YES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT.

WELL THAT'S THE RANGE. YEAH. YEAH IT'S 10 TO 18IN OKAY. SO MAYBE AMEND THE WORDING TO SAY THIS IS YOUR RANGE. YOUR RANGE. YEAH. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TWO INCHES BELOW THE SURFACE.

AND THEN WE HIT IT WITH A MILL OR SOMETHING OKAY. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'LL CLARIFY THAT ONE I THINK MY OTHER QUESTIONS ARE FOR YOU. ALSO, WHEN WE ARE DOING OUR ROAD REHAB PROGRAM OR OTHER UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE DIGGING WORKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, DO WE NOTIFY ALL THE VARIOUS UTILITIES THAT DO BUSINESS WITH US? SO MILLION OVERLAYS WE DO NOT, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE ONLY UTILITIES IN THE ROAD, WELL, A MILL IS ONLY A COUPLE INCHES. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIT ANY UTILITIES, BUT WE DO AN 811 IF WE'RE GOING TO DO LIKE THOSE DEEPER REPAIRS, BECAUSE EVEN THOSE THOUGH ARE ONLY LIKE 6 TO 8IN. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING. WE'RE STILL IN THE SUBGRADE AREA. SO IT'S WHAT WE DO. WE LOOK IN TO SEE IF WE'RE

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[25. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Special Use Case Z-25-0165 to consider action on a Special Use Permit to allow for a smoke shop on one (1) parcel of land approximately 0.155 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R036105; and commonly known as 106 W. Willis Street, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.  

• Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-25-0165 as described above.

GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SMOKE SHOP. THIS IS ACTUALLY LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL ATTACHED TO THE BEER MARKET PROPERTY. THIS IS COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL BECAUSE OF OUR RECENTLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE ABOUT THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT

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SO THEY REPLIED GOOD MORNING. STAFF PRESENTS THE BELOW INFORMATION PER REQUEST. SITE IS ZONED T5 TRANSECT WITHIN SMARTCODE ZONING PER TABLE SIX F OF THE SMART CODE SPECIFIC FUNCTION AND USE PERMIT WITHIN TRANSECT ZONE. THE RETAIL SALE OF NEW GOODS IS ALLOWED. THE SALE OF HOOKAH SMOKE PRODUCTS, CBD, AND VAPE PRODUCTS WILL BE CONSIDERED NEW GOODS AND THIS IS

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PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. ANITA JOVANOVICH, 708 COLUMBUS DRIVE. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SMOKE SHOP. PROPOSED JUST 620FT AWAY FROM THE LEO CENTER, A PUBLIC SCHOOL OPERATED BY LEANDER ISD. SOME MAY SUGGEST THIS PERMIT SUPPORTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OR THAT SIMILAR BUSINESSES LIKE 7-ELEVEN ALREADY SELL TOBACCO NEAR SCHOOLS. BUT THERE'S A CRITICAL, LEGAL AND CONTEXTUAL DISTINCTION. UNDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 24, DASH 05500. THE 1000 FOOT BUFFER APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO SMOKE SHOPS AND VAPE SHOPS. BUSINESSES WHOSE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS THE SALE OF TOBACCO OR VAPE PRODUCTS.

GENERALLY, RETAILERS LIKE 7-ELEVEN ARE EXEMPT BECAUSE THEY SELL A WIDE VARIETY OF GOODS, NOT JUST TOBACCO. THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE IS PROPOSING THE EXACT EXACTLY THE TYPE OF SPECIALTY TOBACCO BUSINESS. THE ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO RESTRICT. IT FALLS WELL WITHIN THE PROHIBITED ZONE AND ITS LOCATION JUST STEPS AWAY FROM A SCHOOL. SERVING AT RISK YOUTH RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS. IN ADDITION, GOVERNOR ABBOTT JUST SIGNED SENATE BILL 1316, WHICH WILL GO INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, PROHIBITING TOBACCO AND VAPE ADVERTISING WITHIN 1000FT OF SCHOOLS. THIS MAKES THE PROPOSED SITE NOT JUST LEGALLY CONSTRAINED, BUT COMMERCIALLY IMPRACTICAL. A TOBACCO RETAILER THAT CAN'T ADVERTISE DUE TO PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL IS NOT A VIABLE LONG TERM BUSINESS, AND CERTAINLY NOT ONE THAT FITS WITHIN THE CITY'S VISION FOR OLD TOWN. I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT REFERENCED AN EMAIL FROM THE SENIOR CITY PLANNER SUGGESTING THE USE WAS PERMITTED, BUT THAT EXCHANGE WAS BASED ON GENERAL INQUIRY, NOT A FORMAL REVIEW.

THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS EXISTS PRECISELY TO EVALUATE CONTEXT LIKE SCHOOL PROXIMITY AND COMMUNITY IMPACT, NOT JUST ZONING CATEGORIES. THE MISCOMMUNICATION IS INCREDIBLY UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT DOESN'T OVERRIDE CITY ORDINANCE OR THE PUBLIC INTEREST. AND THE PROCESS

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BASICALLY ISSUED A WAIVER ON OUR ORDINANCE FOR. ESTABLISHMENT ACROSS FROM WILEY MIDDLE SCHOOL ON CRYSTAL FALLS. SO I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T LIKE VAPE SHOPS. I'M NOT A FAN. BUT WHERE WE'RE AT IN OLD TOWN AND THE BUSINESSES THAT SURROUND IT, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. ALTHOUGH I REALLY DON'T LIKE THEM. BUT THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR BUSINESS HOURS.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE GIVEN WAIVERS BEFORE AND DECIDE THAT OUR BUSINESSES WILL HAVE SPECIAL SIGNS INSIDE AND ALSO OUTSIDE THE DOOR. BUT UNDER 21 IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED IN THIS PREMISES. SO I KNOW THE LAW SAYS UNDER 21 MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY A PARENT OR GUARDIAN. BUT NO, NO. SO THEY CAN'T STRICTLY NOT ALLOWED. OKAY, LIKE ANYONE UNDER 21 IS NOT ALLOWED. LIKE IN CASE WE DON'T KNOW, THERE ARE 21 OR NOT. WHEN YOU SEE THE ID, WE REQUEST THEM TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS AREA. OKAY. YES. SO I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. SO ON YOUR LEASE, HOW LONG IS YOUR LEASE FOR? LEASE IS FOR FIVE YEARS AND FIVE YEAR OPTIONAL. SO TEN YEARS. OKAY. PRO TEM I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HAPPEN AND WHEN THEY HAPPEN. SO I SAW THE EMAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED AND I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. SO YOU GOT THE EMAIL BACK AND THEY SAID YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT WAS THAT ACTUAL APPLICATION OR A PERMIT SUBMITTED TO CHANGE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR TO CHANGE OVER THE OWNER? WAS THAT ACTUALLY SUBMITTED OR THIS WAS A GENERAL INQUIRY? NO. SO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS BEFORE WE START OUR OPERATION. OKAY. SO BEFORE THAT WE NEED PERMITS LICENSING PERMIT FROM THE STATE WHICH IS THE SALES PERMIT. TOBACCO PERMIT PERMIT.

SO WE APPLIED FOR ALL THOSE PERMITS AND WE STARTED DECORATING OUR SHOP. SO WE WERE LIKE IN MODELING OUR BUSINESS. SO WE WERE NOT OPERATIONALLY ACTIVE ON THAT TIME. SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE GOING TO APPLY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS WELL. BUT BEFORE DOING THAT, THE

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CAMACHO IS WITHIN THE 1000. IT IS. YEAH. OUTSIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION CORRECT? YES. WE DIDN'T USE ADMINISTRATION. IT WAS ACTUALLY THE LEO CENTER AND THE SCHOOLS WE WERE MEASURING FROM AND THEIR PROPERTY LINES. OKAY. I WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I DIDN'T I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TOO, WHEN WE SEND THE EMAIL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE USE AT THE PERMIT STAGE. WE WOULD GET INTO MORE DETAIL AND WE'RE GOING TO START DOING A BETTER JOB OF MAKING SURE WE COMMUNICATE THAT REGULATION TO OTHERS. I MEAN, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT WASN'T COMMUNICATED PROPERLY BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE I MEAN, WE THAT WAS OVER A YEAR AGO, I THINK ABOUT A YEAR, ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE ALL VOTED ON THAT. YES. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONCERN. YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS UNFORTUNATE THE MISCOMMUNICATION HAPPENED, BUT WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN BUSINESS. SO THAT JUST ONE MISCOMMUNICATION COST US A LOT.

AND I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND THAT'S HOW I EARN FOR MY FAMILY. AND IF I STUCK WITH AN INVESTMENT FOR 5 OR 6 MONTHS AND THERE'S NO OUTCOME FROM IT, THAT WOULD BE A BIG LOSS FOR ME, RIGHT? SO I'M ALSO FROM THE SAME COMMUNITY. I RESPECT EVERYONE'S IDEA, COUNCIL, WHATEVER DECIDES, I RESPECT IT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AND IT'S NOT MY FAULT.

I DID WHATEVER WAS NEEDED AND IMPORTANT. I ASKED THE CITY. THE CITY ALLOWED ME AND I STARTED MY JOB. IF THE CITY TOLD ME THE BEGINNING THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO GET THAT. I WOULD HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED TO START A BUSINESS HERE. GOTCHA. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE REALLY QUICKLY TO MISS GRIFFIN. I MISREAD THE DISTANCE MAP. SO I SEE WHERE LEO FALLS INTO THAT. BUT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE STUDENTS THAT WALK OVER HERE. BUT I ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS SMOKE SHOP. WAS THERE DID THEY DO CBD? DID THEY DO VAPE? I DID SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, SO THEY DID. BUT THEY EXISTED BEFORE THE ORDINANCE CHANGE. OKAY. WOW.

SORRY. AGAIN, MISCOMMUNICATION IS HAPPENING. SO NO IT WAS THERE WAS A SMOKE SHOP WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS ALREADY HERE. AND BECAUSE THAT SMOKE SHOP, I PERSONALLY CAME AND I MET THE GUY, HE WANTED TO SELL HIS PRODUCTS. AND IT WAS SEPTEMBER 2024. SO I DIDN'T BUY ANYTHING FROM THAT GUY, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY A TATTOO BUSINESS, SO HE WAS DOING TATTOO BUSINESS.

BUT BESIDES HIS TATTOO BUSINESS, HE WAS DOING SMOKE SHOP AS WELL. IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT PROPERTY TO KEEP OPEN AS ANYTHING. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MISS GRIFFIN ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

NUMBER ONE IS APPROVE THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SMOKE SHOP WITH TIME LIMIT OF FIVE YEARS. NUMBER TWO SAYS THE SAME, BUT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS A THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING SHALL REMAIN IN CHARACTER WITH THE SMART CODE IN OLD TOWN, WOULD IT NOT? UNDER THE FIRST OPTION AS WELL? WE WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE SEE A LOT OF SMOKE SHOPS WHERE THEY PAINT IT IN A WAY THAT MIGHT BE ATTRACTIVE TO CHILDREN, LIKE WITH THE CARTOON CHARACTERS AND THE BRIGHT COLORS. SO IT JUST WAS A CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. AND THEN B ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR SIGNAGE SHALL BE LIMITED TO SIGNAGE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SMART CODE AND OLD TOWN. IS THAT JUST SAYING THEY COULDN'T DO LIKE A MASTER SIGN ORDINANCE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT? RIGHT. AND BIG FLASHY LIGHTS AND COME HERE FOR THE SMOKE SHOP.

GOTCHA. YEAH. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR GRIFFIN. SORRY. HAVE WE HAD ANY KIND OF ISSUE THAT HAS

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[26. Discuss and consider action on a waiver to the residential phasing plan requirements for Subdivision Case CP-25-0043 Lost Woods Estates Concept Plan on one (1) parcel of land 28.12 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R338811; and generally located southeast of the intersection of CR 175 and Mineral Drive, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]

THANK YOU. REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 26. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A WAIVER TO THE RESIDENTIAL PHASING PLAN. REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBDIVISION CASE CP 250043 LOST WOODS ESTATES CONCEPT PLAN ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND 28.12 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. GRIFFIN. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER TO THE PHASING PLAN REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING 79 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND STAFF AGREED THAT IT MADE SENSE THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT AS ONE PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANTS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MOTION SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ITEM 27

[27. Discuss and consider action on Development Agreement Case DA-24-0020 Messina Office & Retail Development Agreement between Windy Terrace Phase 8, LLC and the City of Leander to establish a reimbursement agreement for the construction of S. Chitalpa Street for a property located on one (1) parcel of land 15.4067 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R462742; and generally located 1,000 feet to the southeast of the intersection of 183A Toll Road and Bulbine Drive, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]

[28. Receive presentation and accept the 2025 Leander Public Arts and Culture Master Plan.]

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LEANDER ARTS AND CULTURE PLAN IS A GREAT FOUNDATION, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT NEED SOME ATTENTION. IN MY OPINION, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS VERY LOW FOR THE SURVEY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STANDARD FOR STATISTICS, YOU WE NEEDED ABOUT 400 RESPONDENTS TO REALLY HAVE A STATISTIC STATISTICAL VALIDITY FOR THAT SURVEY. ALSO, THE IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION OF THE METRICS ARE SOMEWHAT VAGUE. I'D REALLY LOVE FOR US TO LOOK AT HAVING WHAT WE CALL THE SMART GOALS, WHICH ARE SMART STANDS FOR SPECIFIC, MEASURABLE, ACHIEVABLE, RELEVANT, AND TIME BOUND. AND CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT IN THE PLAN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, REALLY, I'M WANTING TO JUST HAVE A AN ACTUAL CALLED OUT FOCUS ON EDUCATION. AND ON ONE OF THOSE SHEETS, I GAVE YOU SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN COORDINATE WITH LEANDER ISD OR EDUCATION TO REALLY UTILIZE OUR DOLLARS TO HELP THE MISSION OF LPAC, WHICH IS TO EDUCATE AND EDUCATE, HOPEFULLY OUR YOUTH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PLAN WAS VOLUNTEERISM.

AND SO IF YOU CAN GET THESE KIDS EXCITED ABOUT PROGRAMS AS THEY GO THROUGH THEIR EDUCATION, THEN AS THEY HOPEFULLY STICK AROUND AND ARE YOUNG ADULTS, THEY WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND THEY'LL WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY AND HAVE MORE VOLUNTEERISM FOR AREA. YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TIME TO GO OVER ALL THOSE. AND THEN ALSO HOW THAT TIES BACK TO THE PLAN. THANK YOU, MISS GARCIA. ALL RIGHT. AND IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, PARKS AND RECREATION ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, ULMER AND LPAC CHAIR PANZARINO. THIS IS ALL YOURS TONIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL. APPRECIATE THE TIME TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE A FEW GUESTS FROM OUR LPAC THAT'S REPRESENTED TONIGHT, AS WELL AS MEREDITH REED, WHO'S OUR CONSULTANT. SO I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE THIS AGENDA ITEM TO YOU TONIGHT, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM FOR A QUICK PRESENTATION. AND THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE WANT TO TAKE KIND OF A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE. LPAC WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2008, OFFICIALLY ON DECEMBER 18TH. THEIR FIRST MASTER PLAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T COME ABOUT UNTIL 2014. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER, WAS A FIVE YEAR PLAN FROM 2014 THROUGH 2019. SO HERE WE ARE. YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS LATER, WE'RE NEEDING A NEW FRESH LOOK, A NEW STRATEGIC PLAN FOR US FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS AND KIND OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE'VE COME TO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. AS GREG MENTIONED, WE HAVE NOT HAD A MASTER PLAN SINCE 2019 WHEN I JOINED LPAC IN 2023, I JOINED THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO REWRITE OUR MASTER PLAN, AND THAT OLD MASTER PLAN WAS WRITTEN BY COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS, WHICH HATS OFF TO THEM. BUT I STILL REMEMBER THE LPAC MEETING WHERE MIKE NEW CAME TO US WITH EXAMPLES OF MASTER PLANS FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE FRISCO, AUSTIN. AND THESE WERE MASTER PLANS THAT WERE RESEARCHED. THERE WAS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THEY WERE VERY THOROUGH. AND THE

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AND ALL THE THINKING THAT WENT INTO THE PLAN. BUT LET'S SEE HERE IF I CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

YES. SO JUST BIG PICTURE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO HERE. OBVIOUSLY FUNDAMENTALLY TO CREATE MORE ART AND MORE ARTS AND CULTURE OPPORTUNITIES IN LEANDER, PEOPLE WERE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THINGS HERE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO. SO WHAT CAN WE CREATE FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S UNIQUE TO HERE? THE SECOND POINT OF BALANCED ARTS AND CULTURE ECOSYSTEM. SO LPAC HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DISPROPORTIONATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ARTS AND CULTURE IN LEANDER ON THAT COMMISSION. AND SO WHAT'S THE CITY'S ROLE? WHAT'S THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY'S ROLE? WHAT'S THE BUSINESS'S ROLE? AND HOW DOES LPAC FIT INTO THAT? THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT WE WANTED TO CONSIDER HERE. HOW CAN WE HAVE RELIABLE FUNDING SOURCES SO THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENCY? WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAN. WE HAVE ONGOING INITIATIVES BEING OFFERED. HOW CAN WE ALIGN WITH THE CITY, IDENTIFIED PRIORITIES, THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE JUST ADOPTED AS GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND THE NEW VISION AND MISSION, THE NEW TYPES OF INVESTMENTS THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO. AND THEN, AS RUBY SAID, THE SUPPORT FOR IMPLEMENTATION. SO I DO AGREE THESE ARE NOT SMART GOALS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MISSING PIECES IN WITHIN THE ECOSYSTEM THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO BE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE IN THESE CASES, OF COURSE. ALSO, IT'S A MASTER PLAN. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME DISCRETION INVOLVED IN HOW THIS ACTUALLY GETS IMPLEMENTED. BUT BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE ENOUGH OF A FRAMEWORK SO THAT YOU CAN START TO PRIORITIZE AND CREATE YOUR OWN TIMELINES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE HAVE EIGHT FOCUS AREAS HERE THAT WE IDENTIFIED. AND I'LL JUST LIKE I SAID, JUMP RIGHT INTO THOSE. THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH THE ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY. THERE SIMPLY JUST ISN'T. THERE AREN'T PEOPLE IN PLACE TO DO THE WORK OF CREATING ARTS AND CULTURE.

THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, AND AS GREG WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, 2008, THAT WAS VERY, VERY EARLY ADOPTER, SORT OF AS A CITY FOR SOME OF THESE ARTS AND CULTURE INITIATIVES AND TO HAVE A COMMISSION AND TO HAVE SOME OF THIS FUNDING IN PLACE. BUT BUT NOW THE CITY IS GROWING. AND SO WE NEED SOME NEW FOLKS IN PLACE WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF. WE'RE ONLY REALLY RECOMMENDING TWO ADDITIONAL FTE, WHICH WOULD BE THE PUBLIC ART AND CULTURE COORDINATOR, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR TO SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL CULTURAL EVENTS. BUT WE REALLY ALSO WANT TO FOCUS ON CULTIVATING THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, BECAUSE AS YOU LOOK IN CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, MOST ARTS AND CULTURE IS DELIVERED THROUGH A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. RIGHT.

SO WHERE IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THIS WHOLE MIX? RIGHT. AND HOW DO WE CULTIVATE? THAT'S A BIG THEME FOR THIS CULTIVATION OF THESE FOLKS, SO THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE ENTITIES THAT WILL THAT WILL CARRY OUT SOME OF THIS AND RELEASE SOME OF THE BURDEN FROM THE CITY AND LPAC TO DO THAT WORK. HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IN YEARS DOWN THE LINE, THERE MIGHT BE AN ARTS COUNCIL THAT GETS ESTABLISHED THAT WOULD HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, FACILITATING LOCAL ARTS, SUPPORTING ARTISTS AND DELIVERING SOME OF THESE EVENTS TO. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO

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HOW DO YOU DISSENSION THAT FROM THE COLLECTION IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT INVITE LAWSUITS? BECAUSE AS SOMEONE FROM A CITY THAT'S CALLED COLUMBUS, OHIO, I CAN SAY THAT YOU WANT TO BE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT HOW YOU CRAFT SOME OF THAT LEGISLATION. OTHERWISE IT CAN GET DICEY. SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT. BUT ANYWAY, THE FOCUS AREA FOR WOULD BE THE PROGRAMING. AND TO SOME EXTENT THIS IS THE SIMPLEST OF ALL RIGHT. LIKE YOU HAVE A PLATFORM PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CLASSES. YOU CAN SIMPLY ADD MORE ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF MEDIA. MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FRONT IS JUST THAT THERE'S MORE ART SUPPLIES AVAILABLE AND THEN EQUIPMENT FOR ART MAKING, AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON DEMAND FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE A CERAMICS WORKSHOP OR PRINTMAKING MATERIALS OR, YOU KNOW, SCREEN PRINTING OR KILNS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT LIKE HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PERMANENTLY AVAILABLE THAT THE THAT THE CONTRACTED ARTIST TEACHER DOESN'T HAVE TO BRING IN ON THEIR OWN. AND THEN THERE'S A VERY STRONG INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY OF HAVING MORE UNDERSTANDING AND SHARING OF THE LOCAL HISTORY. SO PARTNERING WITH THE HISTORIC COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE AND MORE PREVALENT IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS. IN TERMS OF PUBLIC ART, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE CITY'S PUBLIC ART COLLECTION AND DO THAT IN AN INTENTIONAL FASHION, BECAUSE PRIVATE SPACES ARE SO PREVALENT IN LEANDER, WE ALSO WANT TO FACILITATE THAT IN WHATEVER WAY WE CAN. SO IF WE CAN HAVE A CAFE THAT HAS A MURAL ON THE CAFE WALL, THAT'S FANTASTIC. LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL ALL PUBLIC ART FOCUSED. WE CAN WORK WITH THE CHAMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, TO DO SOME OF THESE PRIVATE SPACES AS WELL, INVOLVING COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ART PROJECTS. AGAIN, I KIND OF

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SPONSORSHIP PACKAGES. RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT LANDS THOSE LAST TWO POINTS I THINK ART FEST WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING FOR LPAC TO OWN AND TO REALLY EXPAND UPON. AND THEN OFFERING EVENTS THAT INVITE CULTURAL EXPRESSION JUST MEANS THAT, LIKE TO SOME EXTENT, I THINK IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PLACE TO OFFER LIKE EXPLICITLY CULTURAL EVENTS. BUT THERE CAN BE CULTURALLY NEUTRAL EVENTS, SO TO SPEAK, THAT THEN INVITE THE DIFFERENT CULTURAL EXPRESSIONS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PLAN WOULD BE A CHILI COOK OFF WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TEXAS CHILI, YOU CAN HAVE INDIAN CHILI, YOU CAN HAVE KOREAN CHILI, YOU CAN ALL HAVE ALL KINDS OF CHILI. RIGHT. SO EVERYONE HAS CHILI. SO, SO THINGS THAT THAT BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER LIKE THAT BUT LIKE MAYBE AREN'T AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, EXPLICIT AS THIS IS A TEXAS CHILI EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. COMMUNICATIONS. ARE WE SEEING COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT LIKE PARADOXICALLY, THE, THE, THE SOCIAL MEDIA ENVIRONMENT HAS BECOME ABYSMAL FOR TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT? IT'S JUST TOO FRACTURED OF AN ENVIRONMENT. SO WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE KIND OF REVERT TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL METHODS OF COMMUNICATING. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE HERE, LIKE THIS OLD FASHIONED EMAIL LIST, LIKE, CAN WE JUST MAKE EMAIL HAPPEN AGAIN? AND THEN THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNITY BULLETIN BOARDS, NOT JUST FOR ARTS AND CULTURE, BUT LIKE MAYBE EVEN JUST FOR ALL THE CITY EVENTS THOSE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY. THEY CAN SEE DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST FOR EXPLORATION. BUT YEAH, IT'S TRYING TO LIKE BREAK THROUGH SOME OF THE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY'S FACEBOOK FRIENDS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PART OF A FACEBOOK GROUP TO GET THE INFORMATION ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE OPPORTUNITIES. AND THEN FUNDING. SO IRONICALLY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FUNDING IS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF ANY PLAN THAT HAPPENS. I FIND THAT THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE COMMUNITY CULTIVATION ANGLE IS ACTUALLY MORE IMPORTANT. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE SOME SORTS OF FUNDING TO FACILITATE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, TRYING TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PEOPLE. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MODELS FOR SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, BUT LIKE, CAN WE HAVE NONPROFITS DEVELOPED LIKE IN THAT SIMILAR WAY OR GRANT PROGRAMS FOR STARTUPS OR GRANT GRANTS FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS TO DO THESE CULTURAL EVENTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO START TO BUILD THAT CAPACITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? AGAIN, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPER'S ROLE. AND THEN AGAIN, AS WELL THE EVENT SPONSORSHIP THROUGH THE CITY. LIKE I'VE SEEN CERTAIN CITIES THAT HAVE A PUBLIC ART FUND, BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT FUND, AND FOLKS CAN APPLY FOR EITHER. AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF OPTIONS FOR HOW TO STRUCTURE THAT. BUT BUT I THINK THAT HAVING A CONSISTENT AND HOPEFULLY GROWING AS LEANDER GROWS POT OF FUNDS THAT ARE SET ASIDE FOR ARTS AND CULTURE, SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC ART AND CULTURAL EVENTS, WILL SERVE

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THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO LET OUR PRO TEM START THIS OUT, SINCE SHE'S ALSO THE LPAC LIAISON.

GREAT. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WITH LPAC AND WITH, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP IN THE DEPARTMENT TO GET THIS DONE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A LONG TIME COMING AND SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO GET DONE. AND I KNOW A LOT OF EFFORT AND THOUGHT. AND WHILE IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT AND ADDRESSE, EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE COULD HAVE ADDRESSED, IT IS A GOOD START FOR WHERE WE NEED TO GO MOVING FORWARD. I DID HAVE SOME CLARIFICATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER, AND I GUESS IF YOU GO TO IT'S PAGE 18. ON THE DOCUMENT. AND SO REALLY THIS ONE'S NOT SO MUCH A CLARIFICATION, BUT JUST FROM MY INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE WHERE I COULD SEE EVERYTHING IN THIS DOCUMENT IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. BUT THERE ARE ONLY WE'RE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT AND DO AND SO ON THAT I KNOW NUMBER ONE SAID SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS AND INSTALLING MURALS AND OTHER CREATIVE ART INSTALLATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS? WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT? YEAH. SO AGAIN, LIKE THERE'S SO THERE'S RELATIVELY FEW PUBLIC SPACES. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT A PROGRAM LIKE THE TRAIN PROGRAM THROUGH THE CHAMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I THINK. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT.

RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU DEFINE PUBLIC ART, TYPICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS DESIGNED BY AN ARTIST. AND IT'S COMPLETELY UNIQUE IN ALL THE WORLD, AND IT'S SPECIFIC TO THAT PLACE. AND IT'S NOT PREFABRICATED IN ANY WAY. IT'S LIKE ENTIRELY A PIECE THAT'S UNIQUE TO THAT PLACE IN THAT ARTIST. SO IF THERE'S PUBLIC DOLLARS THAT ARE DEVOTED TO A PROJECT LIKE THAT, YOU WOULDN'T FUND TRAINS NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THEY'RE PREFABRICATED AND THEY'RE MORE SO CREATIVE AMENITIES. SO THE DISTINCTION BECOMES IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF HOW YOU PLAN OUT THE MONEY. RIGHT. BUT I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CHAMBER WOULD BE USING PUBLIC MONEY, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO BE PUTTING THAT TOWARDS PUBLIC ART AND NOT CREATIVE. SO I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE TO HAVE ART IN PUBLIC, IN PRIVATE SPACES, IT CAN BE PUBLIC ART AND IT CAN BE PRIVATELY FUNDED ART, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, WE WANT THAT TO BE POSSIBLE. AND EVEN IF IT'S THE CHAMBER'S RESPONSIBILITY, THAT'S FINE. LIKE IF YOU LOOK INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THE CHAMBER IS LIKELY THE ONE THAT WE'VE TAPPED AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS AND INSTALLING MURALS, YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER, RIGHT. AND SO THEY CAN USE THEY CAN USE THEIR BUSINESS DOLLARS TO DO THAT. THE CITY CAN USE PUBLIC DOLLARS. BUT AGAIN, IF THE CITY USES PUBLIC DOLLARS TO FACILITATE PUBLIC ART AND PRIVATE SPACES, IT NEEDS TO BE ACTUALLY PUBLIC ART. YES, PLEASE. THE CHAMBER DOESN'T BUY THE TRAINS, NOR DOES THE CHAMBER PAY TO HAVE THE TRAIN PAINTED.

THAT IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE BUSINESS OWNER. SO YEAH, WHICH IS FINE, WHICH IS JUST THE WAY YOU'RE PHRASING IT. IT'S LIKE THE CHAMBER WAS BUYING IT ALL AND DOING IT, AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. RIGHT? OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

ALL RIGHT. PAGE 24. LET ME GO BACK. AND BE MORE ADDRESSED TO LPAC MEMBERS. LIKE I KNOW THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ESTABLISH A FUND TO FUND TO SEED FOR AND NOT FOR PROFIT CULTURAL STARTUPS. THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUT OF OUR PURVIEW AT THIS MOMENT, BUT DEFINITELY CREATING A CITY RUN GRANT PROGRAM TO SUPPORT SPECIAL EVENTS SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE AMENABLE FOR WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY. AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE 1% SITUATION WITH DEVELOPERS LATER. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ON PAGE 38. SORRY, LET ME GET

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THANKS. YEAH. NO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY ALL MY CONCERNS. BUT I THINK IT OUTLINES SOME GREAT THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE. AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE EDUCATION PART OF IT, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO INCLUDE STUDENTS AND OUR SCHOOLS AND WORK WITH THEM. I THINK THE PLAN IS MORE GENERAL, BUT THE WAY WE IMPLEMENT IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER ON OUR CALL. SO BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THIS ONE I WANT TO THANK ELPAC FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS MASTER PLAN. I'M CURIOUS ON PAGE 81, I'LL TALK ABOUT A LIST OF ANNUAL HOLIDAYS THAT ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE CITY, AND THIS IS NEW TO ME. I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE ONES THAT ARE RECOGNIZED? I KNOW THAT WE HAVE MLK, JUNETEENTH, CHRISTMAS, AND HANUKKAH, AND I'M WONDERING, WITH HIGH POPULATION OF HISPANIC FOLKS AND THEN ALSO EAST ASIANS AND SOUTH ASIANS, HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE PROCESS FOR INCLUDING SOMETHING LIKE CINCO DE MAYO, LUNAR NEW YEAR OR DIWALI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE JUST ADOPT IT, USUALLY WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. BUT YEAH, WE JUST I'M NOT WRONG, RIGHT? I THINK WE'VE ONLY ADMITTED IT TWICE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. YOU'D WANT TO TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE ABOUT IT BUT. YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. NO I APOLOGIZE I APOLOGIZE. I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, MAYOR. BUT I KNOW IT WOULD END WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION. AND THERE SHOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. BUT THE EXACT DETAILS OF THE PROCESS I WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW UP. YEAH. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE NEVER STARTED THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S COME TO US FOR APPROVAL. BUT IT USUALLY HAS COME THROUGH THROUGH RECOMMENDATION IN THE AGENDA. TYPICALLY BECAUSE STAFF FELT LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIC HOLIDAYS. SO I THINK THE MOST RECENT ONE WE ADDED WAS JUNETEENTH FOUR YEARS AGO, 2222 PRIOR TO THAT, I DON'T THINK WE ADDED, BUT WE CHANGED SOME. I THINK BACK AROUND 2018, 2019. SO IT'S LIKE ANY BUSINESS. GOTCHA. THAT MAKES SENSE. WOULD I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TAKING EDITS DOWN THE LINE, BUT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO ADDING SOME OTHER CULTURAL HOLIDAYS AS WELL TO THAT LIST.

SURE. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER PLAN IS REALLY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WHAT OUR VISION IS. YEAH. TO OUTSIDERS, PEOPLE THAT WANT WE WANT TO BRING ART TO OUR CITY, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ENCOURAGE TO DO THINGS RIGHT. THAT'S KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE, THE PART OF WHAT I SEE. SO, SO I LIKE I LIKE LETTER, HOWEVER, AND I WAS ON LPAC I KNOW THE FRUSTRATION. I KNOW THE WORK THAT GOES INTO EVERYTHING AND, AND THAT THERE'S A BURDEN CARRIED BY THE PEOPLE THERE TO BASICALLY DO EVERYTHING RELATED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE, FROM COMMUNICATING WHAT'S GOING ON TO PUTTING TOGETHER A BUDGET, PUTTING, FINDING ADVERTISERS, FINDING ALL THIS STUFF, CATALOGING ART, TRACKING WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING AND GOING AND ALL THIS STUFF. IT FALLS ON ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, AND THE VOLUNTEERS COME AND GO AND ROTATE OFF AND EVERYTHING. AND SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED OR THE, THE

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BECAUSE REALLY, WHEN WE GET TO EVENTS, THEY'RE ALMOST ALL HAPPENING ON CITY PROPERTY IN SOME FORM. A LOT OF THEM ARE PARKS. THE THING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALPACA TAKE ON SOME MORE EVENTS, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY DO IT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE. AND THEN I KNOW WITH ART FEST, YOU KNOW, REALLY WE'RE LIMITED ON YOU CAN'T USE THE PARKS PEOPLE FOR THEM BECAUSE IT IS A LPAC EVENT AND NOT A PARKS EVENT. AND SO THEN IT FALLS ON EVEN MORE ON LPAC IN ORDER TO DO THE WHOLE PROCESS. SO, SO I THINK THAT IT'S MORE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THOSE RESOURCES AND THAT WE TREAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EVENTS AT LPAC AS PARKS EVENTS, SINCE YOU'RE UNDER PARKS, JUST LIKE THE LIBRARIES UNDER PARKS AND, AND KIND OF CONSTRUCT IT THAT WAY. AND SO I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD AND THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE VISION OF THAT IS. SO PART OF THE OTHER PROBLEM I SEE HERE IS THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP ARE KIND OF IN THE SUBCOMMITTEES, WHICH ARE GOOD AND ACTIVE SUBCOMMITTEES DOING THINGS AND ALL THAT AND MAKING THEM HAPPEN. AND I THINK IF THAT IF, IF WE HAD MORE IF YOU HAD MORE INVOLVEMENT FROM THE PARK SIDE, THAT THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF THESE THINGS AND THE ONGOING CONTINUITY. BECAUSE WHAT REALLY GOES ON IS THERE'S NOT CONTINUITY. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GET NEW PEOPLE COMING IN, THEY USE UP THEIR ENERGY, THEY FADE OUT, NEW PEOPLE COME IN AND THERE'S THIS UP AND DOWN OF EFFORT. AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS HAVE ORGANIZED EVENTS PROFESSIONALLY AND BUILD ON TOP OF WHAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, A LOT OF THESE ARE BUILDING ON TOP OF IT. AND SO I SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOOD. I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS IN HERE ARE ARE RELATIVELY STRUCTURAL AND PROCESS. THEY DON'T REALLY COST MONEY. IT'S MORE ABOUT GETTING ORGANIZED AND ALL THAT. AND SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. SO BUT BUT I DO WANT TO SAY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE ORDINANCE CHANGES, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO DEFINE USES AND, AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO WORK, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE AS ART, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU GO ON THERE THINKING, OH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO ART. BUT ART IS A IS A VERY BROAD TERM. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH COOKING SHOWS. THAT'S AN ART FORM. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WRITE THAT'S AN ART FORM, MUSIC, ART FORM AND ALL THAT. AND SO IF WE DEFINE THAT AND THEN AND THEN THE, THE USES AND EVERYTHING, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BUILD A COLLECTION AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR COLLECTION IS AND IT SPEAKS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. I ALSO FEEL THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK THIS IS WHERE LPAC KIND OF GETS YOU KIND OF BEEN FORCED TO CREATE THIS VISION FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A VISION. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE A CITY SEARCHING IN A VISION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE EMBARKING ON IS WE'RE DOING A BRANDING STRATEGY. AND WITHIN THAT WE HAVE A BRANDING STRATEGY. AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO EMBRACE AS A CITY AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THAT, THEN WE CAN BUILD EVERYTHING OFF OF THAT. WE CAN LAYER EVERYTHING IN THAT. THE WAY WE'RE GOING IS WE'RE JUST GOING TO END UP WITH A BUNCH OF EVENTS THAT HAVE NO COHESION AND ALL THAT, AND THEY'LL BE GOOD EVENTS, BUT IT WON'T NECESSARILY DRIVE PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, I THINK OF LEANDER, I THINK OF THIS. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF NEED TO GO. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD, BUT I DO THINK I HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE STRUCK FROM IT. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SO FOR INSTANCE, OH BOY, NOW I'M ALL MESSED UP WITH MY PAPERS HERE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE 1% ITEM OR THE, THE FORCING DEVELOPERS TO GIVE 1%, I DON'T I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A DEAD ITEM. YEAH. AND EVERYTHING. SO I WOULD TAKE THAT OUT THE I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PARTNER WITH HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION BECAUSE WE GET PRODUCT PRESENTATIONS FROM THEM ABOUT OUR CITY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DRIVE SOME THINGS FORWARD. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CRADLE LIBRARY OF THINGS. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, WE HAVE NO STORAGE. YEAH. I MEAN, JUST ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO STORE ANYTHING. AND SO TO STORE THINGS WOULD BE HARD FOR US. BUT I DO THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY IN THEIR MASTER PLAN, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE RELEVANT AND CHANGE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND BECOME A CENTER. A PLACE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD STORE SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THE. LET'S SEE HERE. SO DOWN HERE OKAY, SO HIRE AN ARTIST TO LEAD THE COMMUNITY AND PARTICIPATING ART PROJECTS OF WHICH ALL PARTICIPANTS CAN BE PROUD I THINK. SO IS THAT WITHIN THE FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS OR IS THAT ANOTHER POSITION TO

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I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE WOULD BE THE SAME, SAME PEOPLE. NO. SO THERE IS SOME ROLE FOR CONTRACTORS, WHETHER THAT'S TEACHING ARTS AND CULTURAL EVENTS AT PUBLIC, AT THROUGH PARKS OR IMPLEMENTING THESE PROJECTS. BUT YEAH. SEPARATE. YEAH. AND THEN SO UNDER, YOU KNOW, MULTICULTURAL ELEMENTS TO OLD TOWN CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL. YOU KNOW I HAVE HERE LIAISON LIAISON WITH CHAMBER AND AN AD HOC PERSON BASICALLY LOOK AT ON YOU KNOW, ADDING A CHAMBER PERSON TO LPAC WHERE THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS THERE TO KIND OF HELP OUT WITH SOME OF THAT STUFF BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE EVENTS. WE HAVE EVENTS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS BRANDING AND WHERE WE GO. I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE REVERSE. SO THE CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER. I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY WANT IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM LPAC TO JOIN THAT GROUP, RATHER THAN A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE. I WAS JUST THINKING ON THE ONGOING STUFF, OKAY, ON THE COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING IS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COHESION. AND I ALSO I KIND OF WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THIS, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, ON I THINK IT'S PARKS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND I DON'T RECOMMEND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THE CONTINUITY. YOU KNOW, YOU ELECT A WHOLE GROUP, THEY WORK ON IT AND THEN THEY GO AWAY AND THEN THEY COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND YOU DO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, BUT GO AHEAD, ANDREW.

YEAH, I KIND OF I THINK I FEEL YOUR VIBE HERE. I LIKED A LOT OF THE ASPIRATIONAL PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. I THINK IT IS VERY ASPIRATIONAL FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY GET THERE? RIGHT. AND I COMMEND THAT. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF EFFORT. HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY HAS DONE WITH ANY INTENT. I THINK THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS LAUNCHED AND IT HAD ITS OWN, YOU KNOW, LIFELINE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, A LITTLE BIT LATER, WE LAUNCHED THE BRANDING INITIATIVE, AND A LITTLE BIT LATER WE ANNOUNCED, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT. SO THESE INITIATIVES ARE NOW KIND OF ALL COMING TO FRUITION. AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US AS A BODY TO FIND THE MECHANISM OR FIND THE WAY TO, TO MIKE'S POINT, COORDINATE THESE EFFORTS. THERE'S GAPS HERE. THEY'RE VERY APPARENT. AND IT CREATES SITUATIONS WHERE, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S BY DISAPPOINTMENT OR WHETHER IT'S JUST BY TERMS EXPIRING OR WHATEVER MIGHT HAPPEN, THERE'S THESE BREAKDOWNS AND THEN WE HAVE TO RESTART PROCESS. SO I THINK THIS GIVES US A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, AND THIS IS A LANGUAGE I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. MAYBE PUMP THE BRAKES ON A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM ALIGNED, AND THEN LET THEM ALL MOVE FORWARD IN A MORE COHESIVE AND COORDINATED WAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH THESE THESE, YOU KNOW, GAPS BETWEEN THEM IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE WAY THAT THESE MASTER PLANS WORK IS WE HAVE THEM FOR LITERALLY EVERYTHING. SO WHEN YOU GO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND YOU GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE LAUNCHING SOON, AN EFFORT FOR ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY AN ACCUMULATION OF LIKE 20 DIFFERENT REPORTS OF DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS. SO YOU'VE GOT TRANSPORTATION, YOU'VE GOT ARTS, YOU'VE GOT PARKS, YOU'VE GOT TRAILS, KIND OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS ALIGN BECAUSE EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN SCOPE. BUT THAT'S THE THING ABOUT THESE IS THEY ARE VERY BROAD. THEY ARE VERY ASPIRATIONAL BECAUSE THE VOLUNTEERS OR STAFF OR COUNCIL TURN OVER OVER TIME. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAST ONE, IDEALLY YOU'RE DOING THESE EVERY FIVE YEARS. BUT THAT'S IN A PERFECT WORLD. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAST ONE THAT WAS DONE, IT WAS I THINK 2014, RIGHT. THAT WAS SORT OF THE GUIDANCE FOR ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT CAME IN IN THAT TIME ON LPAC TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS OUR PURPOSE, THAT THIS IS WHAT WE DO. BLESS YOU.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE NEW PEOPLE, IT'S A REWRITE. AND SO I HEAR YOU. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DO WHEN WE PULL THEM ALL TOGETHER IS SAY, LIKE, THESE ARE THE PARTS THAT ARE FITTING WITH THIS. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO CHANGE. NOTHING IN HERE IS BLACK AND WHITE. WE HAVE

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YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ALL RIGHT. YOUR COUNCIL, YOU CAN CHANGE A LOT OF THINGS. WELCOME ALL THE PROBLEMS. ANYTHING ELSE? MISS ROSS, I AND I AGREE THAT WE DID NEED TO UPDATE THINGS AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW. BUT. AND I GUESS I MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPPOSITE REVIEW HERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF COHESION IN THIS PLAN. I DIDN'T SEE THE DIRECTION. I SAW A LOT OF WE NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, WE NEED TO HIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND WE NEED TO DO ALL THE THINGS, ALL THE THINGS. AND WE'RE I STRUGGLE WITH THAT. AND I THINK AND IN MY INTERVIEW WITH YOU, I EVEN STATED BETWEEN THE CITY EITHER PUTTING ON THE WHOLE EVENT OR PARTNERING WITH THE CHAMBER, OR MAYBE PROVIDING POLICE AND FIRE FOR OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS, IT'S STRETCHED. AND SO ADDING MORE THINGS, I THINK JUST STRETCHES EVERYTHING MORE. AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT'S HARD TO GET VOLUNTEERS. I MEAN, THAT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE. THAT IS NEVER, EVER GOING TO CHANGE. SO HOW DO WE WORK WITHIN AND MAKE A PLAN? BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN AND I WAS JUST DOING A QUICK JOT OF ALL THE EVENTS. AND I CAME UP WITH ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN, 11, 12, 14 DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT THE CITY IS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD. SO AND THOSE TAKE MONTHS OF PLANNING AND LOTS OF MONEY AND THEN SO I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THAT POINT AND I STRUGGLED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, HIRE TWO FULL TIME PEOPLE, HIRE THIS ARTIST, HIRE THIS FUND THESE GRANTS. ALL GREAT IF WE HAD A MONEY TREE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T. AND SO AND I SAW NO PRACTICAL PATH TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THOSE THINGS. AND SO WHICH MAKES IT MORE A PIE IN THE SKY AND SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ACHIEVABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVEN OUTLINE OF A PLAN OF HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE THINGS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WROTE DOWN BECAUSE THEY STRUCK ME, WAS THE PAYING FOR ARTIST HOUSING, THE 1%, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ALL SAID THAT THAT'S A NO GO TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES IN ART.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIKE, I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. SEVERAL OF US ARE UP HERE. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR MY ART? BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR NICOLE'S ART. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. SO I AGREE THAT A, THAT A COHESIVE PLAN IS NEEDED. THIS I WOULD SEND ENTIRELY BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. CAN YOU SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING OF THE RECOMMENDATION? THERE'S NO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S A COHESION. IT WHEN I READ THIS, IT READ TO ME, DO MORE EVENTS, PAY FOR ALL THE THINGS AND HIRE ALL THE PEOPLE WHEN THAT'S THAT WAS THE MESSAGE I RECEIVED OUT OF THIS PLAN I DIDN'T SEE. HERE'S WHERE WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE. I DIDN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE PARTNERING WITH ART DEPARTMENTS IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS? WHERE WHERE ARE WE PULLING VOLUNTEERS FOR THESE SUBCOMMITTEES? WHERE WAS THE CONVERSATION? YOU KNOW, AND TO MISS DAVIS'S POINT, ONLY 115 PEOPLE WERE TALKED TO. THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING A TRUE COMMUNITY. FEELING OF WHAT THIS NEEDS TO BE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE EVERY WATER TOWER PAINTED, EVERY TRAFFIC BOX, THE CROSSWALKS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

BUT THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PLAN. OKAY, SO. WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT? YEAH. OKAY. SO.

SO MORE YOU'RE NEEDING MORE ATTENTION TO THE RESOURCES THAT WE CAN PULL INTO IMPLEMENTATION

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LIKE PUT ASIDE FOR ART. RIGHT. AND I GET THAT AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO IT, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I NEED TO SEE IS THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS PUT THAT IN THEIR BUDGET AND THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DECIDED THAT THEY WANT TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON. IS THAT EMPLOYEE THAT IT'S NOT THAT. AND IF THAT'S BEEN DONE AND PARKS COMES TO US AND SAY THIS IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, THEN. WELL, I THINK IT'S UP FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER, BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS. AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. I'LL JUST PREFACE IT WITH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. THESE WOULDN'T BE OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY AT THIS TIME. EVEN IF IT IS ADOPTED, WE WOULD TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY AROUND BUDGET CYCLE TIMES AROUND NOW, AND JUST KIND OF ANALYZE AND RANK BASED ON PRIORITIES OF WHAT FTES ARE NEEDED FOR THE CITY OVERALL. AND THIS WOULD BE ONE COMPONENT OF THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE ON THIS LEVEL. SO BASED ON THIS BEING FULLY IMPLEMENTED, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MOVE IT UP OR DOWN IN RANKINGS. IT WOULD JUST KIND OF PUT IT ON THE RADAR FOR US TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE BUDGETS. AGAIN. AGREED. BUT AGAIN, THAT MAKES MY POINT. IF WE'RE CREATING THIS MASTER PLAN, SHOULDN'T IT BE PUT IN PLACE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S THAT? PARKS. IF THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THEN PARKS NEEDS TO HAVE THE PLAN IN PLACE THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, NOT JUST IT'S A MAYBE YOU YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BECAUSE PART OF THIS, ALTHOUGH A MASTER PLAN IS NOT TO THE LAST DETAIL. RIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE AN ACTIONABLE PLAN. AND IF AND IF IN IF PARKS HASN'T CONSIDERED AND SAID THIS IS OUR TOP PRIORITY, THEN WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT? WELL, I THINK TO THAT POINT, I THINK WE CAN GO BACK AND REFINE A LOT OF THESE. MAYBE THAT'S OUR NEXT STEP. WE DO HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY AND THIS KIND OF ON THE AGENDA ALREADY TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP AND JUST KIND OF DIVE DEEPER INTO IT BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF TONIGHT. SO MAYBE THAT'S AN OUTCOME OF TONIGHT IS WE CAN REALLY GO INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT'S IN HERE, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE POINTED OUT. THAT MIGHT BE OUR NEXT STEP. WELL, AND I'M ONE OF SEVEN BUT I JUST BUT I, I FELT VERY STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT I READ AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I LET MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THAT I THINK THIS NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO ALL OF US AS A COMBINED VOICE. SO THANK YOU. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER ON OUR CALL THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE. WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL STRATEGIES FOR IMPLEMENTATION? WHAT ARE THE HANDS ON THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE CHANGE WITH RELATIVELY SMOOTHLY? AND SO THAT WASN'T CLEAR. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IN THIS. AND I WOULD LOVE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS AN IMPLEMENTATION TABLE ON PAGES 100 AND 101 WITH WHAT YOU SAW.

SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE THINKING AS LPAC IS THAT ONCE THE PLAN IS APPROVED WITH THE VISION, THEN WE WOULD TAKE THIS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND REALLY FLUSH IT OUT, LIKE, OKAY, NOW

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AND THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT COULD BE KIND OF KIND OF TAKEN OUT, MAYBE A COUPLE OF THINGS. CONCEPTS KIND OF DELVED INTO A LITTLE DEEPER AND KIND OF LAYING IT OUT IN A COHESIVE MANNER, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF A BIG LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS AND ALL THAT.

AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S THE CONTINUITY. I THINK THE RESOURCING FROM PARKS IS KIND OF THE IS WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SOMETIMES YOU GUYS ARE ON AN ISLAND. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ONE MORE THING. CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY CLARIFICATION AROUND THE OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE CLOSED? I KNOW Y'ALL LOOKED AT STUFF UP IN NORTH TEXAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THAT ARE AROUND US. ARE THEY DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WITH THEIR ARTS AREA? IS THERE A PERSON THAT IS HIRED THAT IS DEDICATED TO MANAGE THAT PROCESS, AND IS IT A WHOLE DEPARTMENT? LIKE WHAT IS THAT? WHAT DID Y'ALL'S RESEARCH REVEAL? I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REMEMBER WHICH CITY DOES WHAT. I KNOW THEY ALL HAVE THE PUBLIC ART PLANS. SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY VERY BRIEF. SO, I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY, LIKE YOU SAID, PARE DOWN IF THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED. BUT YEAH, MOSTLY THEY'LL HAVE CITY STAFF, AT LEAST ONE PERSON THAT'S DOING THAT JOB THROUGH THE CITY. YEAH. AND YEAH, I WOULD SAY IF, IF ANYTHING, THE PUBLIC ART AND CULTURE COORDINATOR WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT THING. THE, THE SPECIAL EVENT STAFF WOULD BE NICE, BUT BUT I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT I KNOW THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES A LOT WITH PUBLIC ART. AND SO IS THERE A SPECIFIC PUBLIC ART DEPARTMENT? OH YEAH. AUSTIN. YES. BUT THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES LIKE. WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING IN IN OUR SURROUNDING AREA, THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST ONE PERSON THAT'S HIRED. YEAH, OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE VIBRANT ART SCENES BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT BASICALLY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME INVESTMENT BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHY DO A PLAN IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT SOMETHING TOWARDS IT I GUESS. BUT BUT YEAH, LIKE IT WOULD IF WE WANTED TO SPACE IT OUT OVER THE FIVE YEARS AND DO. YOU KNOW, A MORE RIGOROUS LOOK AT WHAT'S ACTUALLY POSSIBLE.

THAT'S FUN TO. I WOULD SAY THAT LAST STATEMENT IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU NEED TO START. OKAY. I HAVE COMMENTS. SURE. THAT'S FINE. SO I THINK THAT I DON'T LIKE EVERYTHING IN THE PLAN, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE EVERYTHING IN THE PLAN. RIGHT. BUT I DID LIKE QUITE A FEW OF THE SUGGESTIONS, AND SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THEM OUT THERE. THE REMINDER TO USE ANY AND ALL OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC

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RIGHT. LIKE I KEEP TELLING SAM, HE'S GOTTA START THAT NONPROFIT FOR THAT GETS EVERYTHING ROLLING. BUT BUT YEAH, I MEAN AND THAT'S THE THING TOO. IT'S LIKE I, YOU KNOW, I OBVIOUSLY AMONG ALL OF THE COMPETING PRIORITIES, ARTS AND CULTURE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW FALLS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SOME KIND OF INVESTMENT IN THE MANPOWER TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THESE, THESE INITIATIVES, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW. SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HOW THESE CULTURAL GROUPS THAT SHOULD BE DOING THESE EVENTS DON'T EXIST. WE TALK ABOUT NONPROFITS THAT SUPPORT ARTISTS DON'T EXIST. SO MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE PLAN IS HOW TO CULTIVATE THOSE, HOW TO ENCOURAGE THOSE TO BE GROWN, HOW TO FIND THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE GOING TO CREATE AN ARTIST COLONY WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, RIGHT, THAT ARE GOING TO DO FESTIVALS, THAT WE CAN COME IN WITH IN-KIND SUPPORT ON THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. AND THAT IS IN THERE SOMEWHAT. I MEAN, I CAN ALWAYS MAKE IT MORE EXPLICIT. THERE IS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING LIKE EVEN MONTHLY, QUARTERLY GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE. RIGHT. THERE'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS A COUPLE HUNDRED ARTS EDUCATORS IN THE ISD. YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I TALK TO THE PERSON THAT LEADS THAT DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES HERE. RIGHT. SO, LIKE, WHAT KIND OF WORKSHOPS CAN WE CREATE, WHAT SORTS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THAT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE SAME SPACE. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT IS GOING TO LOOK KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT SO SEXY, BUT LIKE THAT'S THE TYPE OF WORK TO DO ON A CONSISTENT BASIS TO FORM THE RELATIONSHIPS, TO SET THE INTENTIONS AMONG THESE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE. YEAH. AND THAT'S A PROJECT THAT COULD EXTEND WELL BEYOND THIS FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD. RIGHT. SO AND IF YOU KNOW PLACES THAT ARE DOING IT WELL, YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE FOOTNOTES. LIKE GO SEE FRISCO'S MODEL FOR X. YEAH THAT'S TRUE OKAY. COUNCIL DO WE WANT IT. SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT TO SEND IT BACK FOR SOME REVISIONS. YEAH THAT'S WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVEN'T SAID THAT YOU WANT TO SEE REVISED? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE FEEDBACK YOU NEED? YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE FEEDBACK YOU NEED OKAY. SO WE'RE OKAY. WE'RE FINE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE NO ACTION ON THAT. AND THE TIME IS 1014.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. MORNING. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

[29. Discuss and consider action on the Telecommunications Marketing and Master Ground Lease Agreement between the City of Leander and Branch Communications, LLC, for the marketing, leasing, development, and management of telecommunication facilities on City-owned properties; and to authorize the Assistant City Manager, in the absence of the City Manager, to execute any and all necessary documents.]

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BY COMPARISON, THE SITES IN THESE OTHER CITIES ARE OFTEN UTILITY BUFFERS OR PERIPHERAL LAND, AND YET THEY YIELD FAR MORE VALUE. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TODAY'S NUMBERS, IT'S ABOUT SETTING A FAIR AND SCALABLE FRAMEWORK FOR THE NEXT 15 TO 30 YEARS. AND WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE DEMAND, CO-LOCATION POTENTIAL, AND INCREASINGLY INCREASING LAND SCARCITY, 300 PER ADDITIONAL CARRIERS SIMPLY DOESN'T REFLECT THE LONG TERM MARKET VALUE OF A SHARED USE TOWER. OTHER CITIES ARE SECURING AT LEAST 500 OR MORE PER CARRIER. WHY SHOULD LEANDER SETTLE FOR LESS WHEN WE'RE OFFERING MORE? THIS LAND IS PUBLIC LAND. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY'S LONG TERM ASSET, AND I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO THE RESIDENTS TO STRUCTURE THIS AGREEMENT FOR MAXIMUM PUBLIC BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE REGIONAL MARKET CLEARLY SHOWS WE CAN DO BETTER. SO AGAIN, I RESPECTFULLY RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY INCREASE BASE RENT TO AT LEAST 2000, SECURE A 3% ANNUAL ESCALATOR, AND RAISE THE CO-LOCATION FEE TO 500 PER MONTH PER CARRIER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK RECAP. SO AT THE MAY 1ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BRANCH WAS HERE. THEY GAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THEIR PROPOSED AGREEMENT. AND THIS HAS BEEN A YEAR IN THE MAKING WITH FORMER STAFF. AND SO WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, I TRIED TO HELP PICK THAT UP AND REALLY WORK WITH BRANCH TO REALLY IDENTIFY AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY AND DID SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THE RATES AROUND THE CITIES. SO DID REACH OUT TO ROUND ROCK AT THEIR AGREEMENTS.

THEY DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT TWO YEARS AGO THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AMENDED. SO THEY THEY INITIALLY HAD A, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY RATE, BUT THEY DECIDED TO OPT IN FOR A LUMP SUM PAYMENT INSTEAD. AND WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION HERE AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT. AND IT'S DETERMINED ON SITE BY SITE. SO THAT'S AN ANALYSIS THAT CITY, THE CITY WOULD WORK WITH BRANCH ON AND BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL WHETHER IT WOULD BE MORE FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A MONTHLY RATE OR A LUMP SUM PAYMENT. SO WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION IN THERE. I'D ALSO DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN. THEY DO NOT LEASE ANY PROPERTY TO TELECOMMUNICATION TOWERS. THE WAY THIS PROPOSED AGREEMENT IS, THEY DO LEASE SPACE ON THEIR EXISTING TOWERS, AND THAT'S THE RATE STRUCTURE THAT THEY USE FOR THAT. SO IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO OFFERING CITY PROPERTY TO AN ENTITY THAT WOULD BUILD AND CONSTRUCT A TOWER ON THERE, WHERE THEY WOULD LEASE SPACE ON THEIR TOWERS THAT THEY WOULD OWN. I ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK ON THIS, AND THEY DO CONDUCT RENTAL STUDIES REGARDING PROPERTIES. AND THEN THEY ALSO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL LAND MARKET VALUES FOR THAT. SO IT'S A VERY IN-DEPTH PROCESS BECAUSE AUSTIN IS A LITTLE COMPLEX AS WE KNOW. AND SO THEY DO ALL THAT WORK. AND A LOT OF THEIR RATE STRUCTURES VARY DEPENDING ON THE SITE AND LOCATIONS BASED ON THEIR STUDIES AND MARKET VALUE. AND SO WITH THAT, I ALSO REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE PARTNERS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH BRANCH. SO AUSTIN AUSTIN ISD'S PROMINENT ONE THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. THEY RECENTLY RENEGOTIATED THEIR RATES TO A HIGHER RATE. I BELIEVE IT'S AT 1500 PER MONTH AND OVER, I THINK

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THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCIL I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED MAINTENANCE COST OVER THE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT? WE DO NOT INCUR ANY MAINTENANCE COSTS. SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD JUST LEASE THE PROPERTY. WE WOULD IDENTIFY HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OR, YOU KNOW, SPACE AROUND THAT PROPERTY IS NEEDED FOR THEIR MONOPOLE TOWERS AND BRANCH INVESTORS IN THEIR OWN CAPITAL COSTS, THEIR MAINTENANCE COSTS AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND THEY THEY HANDLE THAT. TYPICALLY. THIS IS VERY, I WOULD SAY, NEW PARTNERSHIP FOR MANY CITIES TO CONSIDER, LIKE ROUND ROCK IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS ONE SITE THAT HAS DONE THIS. MANY CITIES WILL JUST LEASE SPACE ON THEIR WATER TOWERS OR ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO CARRIERS, BUT THAT COULD BE THAT. I'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. IT'S A HUGE LIABILITY AND COULD BE REALLY IMPACTFUL OR DAMAGING TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WITH ISSUES WITH CONTRACTORS DRIVING ON THE PROPERTY AND TEARING IT UP. AND SO THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO WHERE WE CAN CONTROL IT AND NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF WEATHER ISSUE THAT CAUSES SOME DAMAGE, THEY WILL 100% TAKE CARE OF IT. YES. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS AN AGREEMENT FOR BRANCH TO BUILD TOWERS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. AND YOU KNOW, THE AGREEMENT IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT. MY QUESTION IS YOU HAVE YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED OR AT LEAST I DID SOME RESEARCH IDENTIFIED WHERE I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF TOWERS ALREADY AND WHERE MY MIND WENT ON THAT IS GIVEN CITY PROPERTY AND GIVEN THE LONG TERM NEEDS FOR TELECOMMUNICATION IMPROVEMENT AS FAR AS CELLULAR SERVICE IS CONCERNED, DOES THAT DO THOSE TWO THINGS MATCH UP? SO IF I LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW AND I SEE WHERE THERE ARE WHERE THERE IS SERVICE, AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY WHERE THE TOWERS THAT ARE AT LEAST UNDER CONSIDERATION INITIALLY ARE IN THAT SAME CORRIDOR. SO TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND AS BEST I WAS ABLE TO DETERMINE FOR MYSELF THAT WOULD IMPROVE EXISTING

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I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE, AND I EXPERIENCE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS. IF THERE ARE IDENTIFIED CITY PROPERTIES THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LARGER PICTURE OF NEED AND THE LARGER PICTURE OF LONG TERM TELECOMMUNICATION SUPPORT, DO WE HAVE PROPERTIES WHERE THEY COULD BUILD OUT THERE? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN THIS DOESN'T REALLY DO US ANY GOOD. WE'RE SUPPORTING WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE SERVICE, MAYBE IMPROVING THE SERVICE THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT EXTENDING THE SERVICE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED BRANCH. WE WERE PREPARING THIS AGREEMENT, A LIST OF ALL OUR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES THAT WE REVIEWED WITH OUR SIP TEAM IN PUBLIC WORKS, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE WE'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH, AM I RIGHT? SO THAT THEY'RE BUILDING MONOPOLES FOR ARMY INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THAT AS WELL SEEING WHERE THOSE GO. BUT WE DID PROVIDE THEM WITH A FULL LIST OF ALL OUR CITY PROPERTIES. AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WORK TO NARROW THOSE DOWN AND HELP PLAN THOSE OUT. IF THERE'S KEY PIECES AND INTERESTS FROM THE CARRIERS ON AREAS TO GO. AND SO WE DO HAVE THAT LIST OF ALL OUR PROPERTIES.

WE DO HAVE A FACILITY MASTER PLAN. THAT'S OUR NEXT AGENDA. AND SO WE DO HAVE LOCATION ANALYSIS THERE FOR POSSIBLE NEW FACILITIES WE WANT TO LOOK AT. AND THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIGHT. I'VE SEEN AREAS WHERE CITIES HAVE WHERE THEY'VE CONSTRUCTED NEW BUILDING. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE OUT THERE FOR TOWERS SPECIFICALLY. AND SO THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. BUT WE DO HAVE A FULL LIST OF ALL OUR CURRENT CITY PROPERTIES. THAT BRANCH HAS. AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT. NOW, DO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE CONSIDERATION HERE IN UNDERSTANDING THAT PIECE OF IT. LIKE IF, IF I FEEL I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING, OKAY, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT BUILDING TOWERS THERE TODAY, BUT IF WE HAD PROPERTY IN AREAS THAT WE KNEW THAT WERE GOING TO NEED TOWERS AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD FACILITATE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A WIN WIN.

YEAH, YEAH. AND WE COULD DEFINITELY SEND THAT OUT TO COUNCIL. AND SO THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THE NEXT PIECE TO AFTER GETTING THIS MASTER AGREEMENT IS WE SHARE THAT OUT WITH COUNCIL AND BRANCH HAS THAT THIS AGREEMENT ALLOWS THEM TO HELP MARKET THOSE SITES. RIGHT. SO THEY CAN SEE HERE ARE ALL THE SITES THAT WE IDENTIFIED. HERE ARE THE SITES THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE TOWERS IN. HEY CARRIERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE AREAS HERE THAT YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP IMPROVE THE SERVICE IN. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE MAPS ONLINE TOO, WITH THE CELLULAR COVERAGE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT AS WELL. SOMETIMES THOSE COVERAGE MAPS CAN BE MISLEADING. THEY CAN SHOW 100% COVERAGE, WHEREAS THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE DOING THAT IN THE PAST WITH OTHER STUDIES WITH BROADBAND AND CELLULAR SERVICE.

SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION. WE WERE GIVEN THIS. PAPERWORK. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE HEAT MAPS, INITIALS, THE HEAT MAPS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO CAN YOU WALK LIKE THROUGH PAGE THREE? WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT AT&T HAS PROVIDED. YEAH THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS I DON'T KNOW AT ALL. YEAH I THINK WITH THAT. AND THEN MAYBE ROBIN CAN HELP UNDERSTAND THAT THAT AT&T COVERAGE MAP THAT WAS LIKE A RORSCHACH TEST. YES. YEAH. AND SO THAT WAS SENT LAST MINUTE FOR THEM BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FROM CARRIERS ON ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN HELP PROVIDE. SO MAYBE I MEAN, IF I NEED TO DISREGARD OKAY. I JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M IT'S I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN FYI TO SHOW WHERE COVERAGE IS IN TERMS OF AT&T COVERAGE. SO MAYBE LIKE HOW SOME PLACES IT'S GOOD AND SOME PLACES IT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COLOR OF A NEW CELL TOWER. THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THE COVERAGE IN AN AREA. SO I REACHED OUT TO AT&T BECAUSE THEY HAD RECENTLY DONE ONE, AND SHE PROVIDED ME THE WHOLE CITY. SO SHOWING THEIR EXISTING COVERAGE MAKES SENSE. OKAY. BUT IT'S COLOR CODED SO I DON'T KNOW. SO THE RED IS GOOD OKAY. RIGHT. GOT IT. WHERE THE RED IS. YES. OR RED IS LIKE HOT. EVERYBODY HAS COVERAGE. YEAH. LIKE IT'S COLD. IT'S JUST AT&T AND THAT'S. BUT THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE RED IS NO SERVICE SO. CORRECT. YEAH. SO IT'S DIFFERENT OKAY. COMPLICATED. THANK YOU. YEAH APPRECIATE THAT ROBERT. ALL RIGHT COUNCIL A FEW COMMENTS AS WELL. SO I DO BELIEVE LOOKING AT THIS MAP IT'S FAIRLY ACCURATE ESPECIALLY WITH AND I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN SAY AT&T BECAUSE I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU HAVE, YOU SEE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE ALL THE TIME. WHAT PHONE CARRIER DO YOU HAVE? BECAUSE I HAVE TERRIBLE SERVICE AND I'M LIKE, YOU USE YOUR HOME WI-FI, USE WI-FI CALLING BECAUSE THE COVERAGE IS TERRIBLE. SO I

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[30. Discuss and consider action on the City of Leander Facility Master Plan Proposal submitted by Parkhill; and to authorize the Assistant City Manager, in the absence of the City Manager, to execute any and all necessary documents.]

WE'VE ALSO RIGHT NOW ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON OUR CIP. WE'VE IDENTIFIED FACILITY NEEDS FOR THAT AND WE'VE COMMUNICATE THAT AS WELL. THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEM. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENT NEEDS AND THEN ALSO FUTURE NEEDS AS WELL. WE'RE LOOKING AT SPACE PROGRAMING NEEDS. THE CITY HAS CONDUCTED MANY PLANS IN THE PAST, AND I HAVE THOSE BIG BINDERS ON THE FLOOR IN MY OFFICE AFTER GOING THROUGH THEM. AND SO I KNOW EDWIN HAS TAKEN THE TASK ON OF GETTING SPACE. YOU KNOW, SPACE NEEDS RIGHT NOW FROM OUR EXISTING STAFF, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT OUR STAFFING PROJECTIONS IN THE FUTURE TO HELP WITH THAT. SO SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY FEASIBLE AND REALISTIC WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK ALSO COMES CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. SO PROVIDING THAT ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL AND YOU KNOW, THE CITY ENVISIONS AS OUR NEW FACILITIES. SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE LIKE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NEW FACILITIES AND REMODELING OF CURRENT FACILITIES. YEAH. SO WE HAVE WE WANTED TO PUT THAT IN AS PART OF TRANSITIONAL PLANS. SO LOOKING AT WHAT ARE OUR SHORT TERM NEEDS, WHAT ARE OUR LONG TERM NEEDS. WHAT IS THE TRANSITION BETWEEN. SO IF AS PART OF THE PLAN IS A LOCATION ANALYSIS. SO IF WE IDENTIFY A NEW LOCATION FOR CITY HALL, HOW CAN WE BEST LEVERAGE OUR CURRENT FACILITIES FOR CURRENT STAFF OR NEW STAFF FOR NEW OR FOR DEPARTMENTS SPECIFICALLY? THEY'RE GONNA DO THE WHOLE TETRIS THING. YEAH. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS A TRANSITION. HOW DO WE GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN THE INTERIM? BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE COULD START BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL IN A FEW YEARS, BUT WHERE ARE WE PUTTING PEOPLE IN PLACE AND ALL THE NEW STAFF MEMBERS THAT COME IN, IF WE DO THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET REVIEW EACH TIME? SO THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS. A BIG PART OF IT TOO, IS THE BUDGETING PIECE IS UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT ARE THOSE OPINION OF PROBABLE COSTS ARE FOR NEW FACILITIES. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, RENOVATION OF CURRENT EXISTING FACILITIES, PROVIDING A PLAN FOR THAT ALSO, INCLUDING MAKE SURE WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFF HERE AND ALSO COMMUNITY INPUT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE LACK A REC CENTER. WE LACK ALL THESE

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[31. Council Member Future Agenda Items  [Any deliberation of or decision about the subject of the inquiry shall be limited to a proposal to place the subject on the agenda for a subsequent meeting.]]

SWEET DREAMS. PLACE FIVE. I'M SEEING IF I HAVE CELL COVERAGE RIGHT NOW. PRO TEM, THAT WAS

[32. Council Member Closing Statements.]

JUNETEENTH. SATURDAY, JUNE 14TH 5 P.M. AT BLEDSOE PARK. THAT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC AS ALWAYS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, MARK YOUR CALENDARS BECAUSE WE DO LIBERTY FEST RIGHT ON JULY 3RD SO THAT YOU CAN SLEEP ON YOUR DAY OFF ON THE FOURTH. AND IT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC AT DIVINE LAKE PARK, WHICH IS WHERE WE PUT THE FIREWORKS UP EXTRA HIGH. AND JUST ONE MORE PLUG TO THE CITY OF LEANDER. THAT IS US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT'S EIGHTH BEST PLACE TO LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING THE EIGHTH BEST IN THE WHOLE WORLD SO WE CAN ONLY GO UP NEXT YEAR WOULD BE NUMBER TWO. BUT I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE STAFF THAT HAVE MADE THAT

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