[1. Open Meeting.] [00:00:09] GOOD AFTERNOON. TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25TH, 2025. THE TIME IS 1:07 P.M. AND THIS IS THE TRANSPORTATION WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. I CAN SEE THAT ALL OF COUNCIL IS PRESENT, SO WE [ Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority Organization History Governance Current Services  Major Initiatives City of Leander Fiscal ImpactInterlocal AgreementsFuture Funding Concerns ] ARE ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS. AND WE'LL MOVE INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE. DISCUSS AND DIRECT STAFF ON THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. DO I NEED TO ENUMERATE THEM ALL? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS A BUNCH OF TRANSPORTATION ITEMS. AND HERE TO TALK TO US ABOUT THAT IS CITY MANAGER TODD PARTON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. PARTON. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL STAFF, OUR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. THIS IS A REALLY IMPACTFUL CONVERSATION FOR US TODAY. WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF CAPITAL PLANNING AND DISCUSSION. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND THINGS EVOLVING, A LOT OF NEEDS THAT ARE THERE. AND WE REALLY ARE TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE WE'VE GOT SOME CRITICAL DECISIONS TO MAKE WITH REGARD TO HOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING PROJECTS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IN ADDITION TO SOME THOUGHTS WITH REGARD TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH FINANCING AND FUNDING OF THOSE PROJECTS. SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN REVIEW IS WHERE WE ARE WITH CAPMETRO LOOKING AT OUR TRANSIT OPERATION. AND SO WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. AND I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THAT UP HERE REAL QUICK. SO GET THAT UP AND THEN WE'LL LAUNCH BACK IN. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH CAPMETRO PLEASE. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT CAPMETRO. IN 1985, THERE WAS A VOTER REFERENDUM HELD WHICH ESTABLISHED CAPMETRO AS A PUBLIC TRANSIT AUTHORITY HERE IN THE AUSTIN AREA, FOLLOWING AFTER THAT, OTHER MEMBER ENTITIES, INCLUDING THE CITY OF LEANDER, HELD A REFERENDUM WHICH BECAME A MEMBER OF CAPMETRO. AND JUST BRIEF HISTORY FOR CITY OF LEANDER. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN TWO VOTER REFERENDUMS FOLLOWING THAT, 1 IN 2001, IN 2022, WHERE VOTERS REAFFIRMED PARTICIPATION IN CAPMETRO IN 2004, THE. THAT'S WHEN THE CAPMETRO APPROVED THE MAJORITY OF THE SERVICE AREAS AND ALSO ESTABLISHED WHAT WE SEE NOW AS THE COMMUTER RAIL SYSTEM THAT GOES FROM AUSTIN HERE TO LEANDER. AND IN 2010, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED OPERATING THAT PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE. AND HERE'S JUST A QUICK MAP OF THE SERVICE AREA. SPECIFICALLY IN LEANDER, WE HAVE THE METRO RAIL RED LINE THAT RUNS HERE FROM LEANDER STATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CONVENTION CENTER. SOME PROMINENT STOPS THERE AT THE DOMAIN AND THE STADIUM. WE DO HAVE THE METRO EXPRESS 985 THAT PICKS UP AND DROPS OFF HERE IN LEANDER DOWN TO DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS OUR OWN PICKUP SERVICE HERE IN LEANDER, WHICH OUR RESIDENTS CAN USE IN THE SPECIFIED SERVICE AREAS ON THE MAP. HERE'S A GRAPH OF OUR CURRENT AVERAGE WEEKDAY BUS AND RAIL SERVICE RIDES, AND THIS INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED FROM METRO'S TEAM, AND IT SHOWS THE MONTHLY AVERAGE WEEKDAY RIDES. AND SO YOU'LL SEE AT THAT 2020 POINT, THERE WAS THAT DIP DUE TO COVID. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING KIND OF THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY STABILIZATION, BUT KIND OF GOING PICKING UP BACK FOR SERVICES BASED ON THAT. AND WITH THE RIDERSHIP AND SERVICE. HERE'S SHOWING THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES BUS, RAIL AND PICKUP. YOU'LL SEE BUSSES KIND OF STABLE KIND OF DOWN THERE IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP. BUT YOU SEE A MORE CONSISTENT AND HIGHER LEVEL USE OF THE RAIL THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS. AND SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR PICKUP SERVICE SINCE WE'VE EXPANDED THAT AS WELL, THAT HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY. AND I KNOW RIGHT NOW, CAPMETRO, THEY'RE WORKING ON UPDATING THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND SO THINGS THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT FOR THE FUTURE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE POSSIBLY WANT TO EXPAND OUR SERVICES TO DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL? A QUICK QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE DIPS ARE LIKE? YOU COULD REALLY SEE IT ON THE LAST SLIDE. OH, LIKE FOR THE MONTHS. I CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THAT. BUT THOSE LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE BETWEEN LIKE DECEMBER AND KIND OF THOSE WINTER MONTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO SEASONAL PEAKS DECLINE. YEAH. ANNUALLY. YEAH I THINK THAT'S A COMMON TREND THAT WE'LL SEE ACROSS LIKE HERE. YOU'LL SEE IN THE KIND OF [00:05:01] AUGUST MONTH, RIGHT. WHEN SCHOOLS ARE PICKING UP, PEOPLE ARE USING IT DOWN IN THE AUSTIN AREA. AND IT GOES BACK DOWN AROUND DECEMBER AND JANUARY, AND THEN IT PICKS BACK UP, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DIFFERENT SCHOOL TIME, SCHOOL YEARS AND EVERYTHING. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THOSE TRENDS THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS, EVEN HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MOST RECENTLY IN MARCH AND APRIL. RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE PEAK MONTHS WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING SERVICE, WHEREAS BACK DOWN IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, IT'S DROPPING DOWN. FAIR WEATHER RIDERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND HERE'S INFORMATION ON OUR TOTAL MONTHLY RIDERSHIP. AND SO YOU'LL SEE FROM 2020 IN THE GRAYISH ALL THE WAY TO 2025, WE'RE WE WE'RE SEEING THAT INCREASE FROM THAT TIME OF COVID AND MOST RECENTLY BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND NOW, WE'RE SEEING SIMILAR TRENDS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT JUST OVER 16,000 TOTAL RIDERSHIPS FOR THE PAST TWO MONTHS, MOST RECENTLY. BUT YOU'RE SEEING THAT SLOW INCREASE AND THEN DIPS RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE MONTHS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY NOT USING PUBLIC TRANSIT AS MUCH IN THE WINTER TIME OR WHEN THEY'RE AWAY FOR VACATIONS. AND THAT WAS DATA ON OUR RIDERSHIP HERE IN LEANDER. AND SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO ON THE OVERALL CAB METRO RIDERSHIP. AND SO METRO DOES HAVE A PUBLIC DASHBOARD ON THEIR WEBSITE. AND ANYBODY COULD USE THAT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT STOPS IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP ACROSS THE WHOLE SYSTEM. AND SO THIS IS SHOWING, YOU KNOW, RIDERSHIP FOR BUS SERVICE FOR THE PAST YEAR. AND YOU'LL SEE FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS, THEY HAD TOTAL 24.9 MILLION RIDERS. RIGHT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR DATA FROM PREVIOUS WITH BUS SERVICE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST MOST RECENTLY JUST ABOUT 2000 OF THAT OVERALL SYSTEM. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT OUR SERVICE LOOKS LIKE HERE IN LEANDER IN COMPARISON TO THE OVERALL SYSTEM. AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE RAIL RIDERSHIP. AND SO FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS, THERE HAD ABOUT HALF A MILLION TOTAL BOARDINGS FOR THAT. IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE YEARS MOST RECENTLY THIS YEAR FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THOSE SLIGHT INCREASES FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH AUSTIN GROWING AS MUCH AS IT IS AND PEOPLE ARE EXPANDING OUT TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY, RIGHT. WE'RE SEEING THOSE SLOW INCREASES AS WELL. RIGHT. AND OUR PICKUPS PICKUP SERVICE APPEARS TO BE STEADY ACROSS THE WHOLE METRO SYSTEM AS WELL. THEY HAVE OVER 600,000 TOTAL BOARDINGS FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS. AND IT LOOKS TO BE, YOU KNOW, STABLE. AND I THINK IT'S A POPULAR SERVICE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS FOR PEOPLE WANTING THAT IN OUR AREA AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN MENTION IN THE FUTURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO EXPLORE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING, THESE TWO ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S ALL THREE OF THE METRO BOARDS THAT YOU USE HAS FOUR YEARS IN THE KEY, BUT ONLY SHOWS THREE YEARS. CORRECT. IN ASSUMING THAT 2022 IS NOT INCLUDED ON THAT SLIDE, 2022 IS THAT LIGHT BLUE ONE ON THE FAR? ON THE FAR LEFT. SO OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO I THINK IT'S THE WAY THE DASHBOARD AS OF MAY 2022, BUT JANUARY IS ONLY SHOWING 23, 24 AND 25. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. AND THIS MAP IS A PROPENSITY SERVICE AREA MAP THAT METRO HAS BEEN FINDING A LOT OF THEIR MEMBERS WITH IN TERMS OF THEIR PLANNING FOR THE NEXT FUTURE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND SO THESE ARE THESE ARE SHOWING THE AREAS THAT ARE MOST LIKELY TO ACCESS SERVICES. AND YOU'LL SEE I MEAN IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEIR THE FULL SERVICE MAP LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. YOU'RE SEEING EVERYBODY HERE FROM LEANDER ALL THE WAY THAT THOROUGH LINE TO SOUTH TO THE AUSTIN AREA. AND THESE ARE ACCESS TO COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, WHICH WILL WILL SHOW SOME INFORMATION AND DATA ON THAT ON THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES. BUT THEY ARE ENGAGED WITH THEIR MEMBERS RIGHT NOW TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE UPDATING THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PARTS WHERE THEY'LL LOOK AT THE SERVICE AREAS AND ALSO THE NON SERVICE AREAS AS WELL. I CAN'T WHAT'S THE DATE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART THERE. IT SAYS IT UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. IS THAT. OH THAT'S THE PLAN. YEAH IT'S BUT ON THE PLAN IT ACTUALLY HAS A DATE. RIGHT. IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT. AT THE BOTTOM. THE BOTTOM OF YOUR [00:10:08] ACTUAL MAPS. OKAY. IF IT IS A DAY, IT'S I WOULD SAY FROM THIS YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR US. SO. ALL RIGHT, THESE NEXT SET OF GRAPHS AND DATA IS FROM OUR PLACER PLACER AI DATA, WHICH HELPS US TRACK VISITORS TO AND FROM PLACES JUST USING. I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE CELLULAR KIND OF DATA SERVICE WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN AND OUT OF PLACES. AND SO THIS SHOWS OUR MONTHLY VISIT TREND, MOST RECENTLY FROM THE END OF MAY TO THE BEGINNING OF JUNE. AND WE'RE SEEING HERE BETWEEN THOSE MONTHS BETWEEN JUNE AND OF LAST YEAR THROUGH APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THE TOTAL VISITS HERE AT OUR LEANDER STATION. AND THEN WE KIND OF MATCHES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. RIGHT. WE'RE SEEING THOSE PEAK VISITS DURING, YOU KNOW, THE LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL. AND THEN YOU'RE SEEING THAT DROP AGAIN IN THE DECEMBER WINTER MONTHS. YOU'RE SEEING A SLIGHT INCREASE AGAIN IN THE SPRING. BUT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, IN TERMS OF VISITS, WE'VE IN 2022, WE HAD 45, ABOUT 45,000 VISITS THERE, 20, 23 OVER ABOUT 55,000. AND IN 2024, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 70,000. AND THEN WITH THE PASS LAST 12 MONTHS, IT'S A CONSISTENT NUMBER AS WELL THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE AT LEANDER STATION. AND THIS MAP IS SHOWS THE MONTHLY VISITS AND KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO FROM THE FROM THE LEANDER STATION. AND YOU'LL SEE THE RED. IT'S LIKE A HEAT MAP. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE RED AREAS. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SEEING, SEEING, TRAVELING FROM THE STATION. AND WE HAVE A LIST OF THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL. BUT THESE ARE PRIMARILY LOCATED ALONG THE 183 183 CORRIDOR. SO PEOPLE ARE GOING UP HERE TO OUR H-E-B, DOWN OVER TO THE GATEWAY LEANDER WHERE LOWE'S AND KOHL'S IS, AND THEN ALSO DOWN OVER TO CEDAR PARK WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR MAIN COMMERCIAL AREA AS WELL. IN THAT AREA. SO HERE KIND OF SHOWS YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CENTRAL CIRCLE IN THE CENTER, THAT'S THE LEANDER STATION, RIGHT. AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND AFTER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF THAT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM PLANET FITNESS HERE IN LEANDER. WHATABURGER, THE LAKELINE STATION GATEWAY AND THE METRORAIL DOWN IN AUSTIN, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HEADING BACK TO THE LAKELINE STATION, BACK TO AUSTIN AND OTHER AND OTHER AREAS IN AUSTIN AS WELL. IN TERMS OF PRIMARY DESTINATIONS, THIS THIS INFORMATION WAS INTERESTING THAT WE CAN GET THIS FROM, YOU KNOW, PLACER.AI. BUT OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER ONE PRIMARY DESTINATION BASED ON THIS IS LEANDER STATION. THEN THE PARK IN CEDAR PARK, WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANTS IN THERE, FOLLOWED BY OUR H-E-B AND THEN THE GATEWAY HERE IN LEANDER. WHAT'S INTERESTING, TOO, IS PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO THE AUSTIN AIRPORT, SO THAT MAYBE SUGGESTS PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING DOWN, MAYBE TO THE EAST AUSTIN STATION, BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY QUICK RIDE FROM THERE. AND I KNOW WHAT THINGS ARE GOING ON AT THE AUSTIN AIRPORT AND EXPANSIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR CAPMETRO TO POSSIBLY EXPAND DOWN THERE TO THE IN THE FUTURE, SIMILAR TO HOW IT'S BEING, HOW IT'S DONE IN LIKE THE DALLAS AREA WITH DART, WITH EVERYBODY CONNECTING TO THE AIRPORT. THIS SHOWS THAT PEOPLE YOU KNOW ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELING IN THAT AREA. OKAY. FOR THE LEANDER STATION, WE WANT TO SHOW JUST SOME GRAPHS ON TYPICAL DAILY AND HOURLY ACTIVITY. SO THAT TOP LEFT GRAPH, YOU'LL SEE IT'S MOST BUSY DURING THE WEEKDAYS. RIGHT. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SCHOOL. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT MAP YOU'LL SEE THE HOURS WHERE THEY'RE MOST WHERE THERE'S MOST ACTIVITY. AND THAT'S DURING THE DAY BETWEEN 6 A.M. AND 8 A.M, WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO GET TO WORK OR SCHOOL. AND THEN AGAIN AROUND FOUR AND 6 P.M, WHERE PEOPLE ARE RETURNING BACK. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS DATA IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, A BIGGER INFLUX, A BIGGER INCREASE OF PEOPLE USING THE STATION IN THE MORNING. RIGHT? BUT THEN YOU'RE SEEING KIND OF DROP. SO YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD KIND OF BE THE SAME OR, OR STEADY. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO MAYBE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DINNER AFTER WORK OR GOING TO DO ANY OTHER KIND OF ACTIVITIES WHERE THEY'RE MAYBE [00:15:01] GETTING HOME BACK TO THE STATION IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY. SO. AND WE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL, THE FINANCIALS OF CAPMETRO AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, CAPMETRO IS PRIMARILY FUNDED WITH SALES TAX. IT'S ABOUT $402 MILLION. AND SO WE WANTED TO PUT SOME OTHER THEIR INFORMATION FROM THEIR BUDGET HERE, THEIR REVENUE SOURCES FOR YOU ALL TO SEE HOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BEING FUNDED AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR APPROACH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF HOW WE WANT TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, OUR FUNDING NEEDS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW SALES TAX WAS THE BIGGEST DRIVER. THIS TABLE LISTS OUT ALL THE MEMBER ENTITIES OF CAPMETRO. AUSTIN IS THE LARGEST ONE WITH CONTRIBUTING 352 MILLION IN SALES TAX. LEANDER IS SECOND WITH 11.4 MILLION. DOESN'T SEEM THAT MUCH COMPARED TO AUSTIN, BUT IT'S A LOT TO US AND IT REALLY IT YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO EXPLORE POSSIBLE FUNDING MECHANISMS OR EQUITABLE FUNDING SOLUTIONS IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEANDER AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE OTHER SMALLER CITIES WHO ARE WHO HASN'T SEEN THAT IMMENSE GROWTH WITHIN THE PAST TEN YEARS, REALLY. RIGHT. AND SO MANOR AND LAGO VISTA ARE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TWO FROM LEANDER AND THE OTHERS ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF VERY SMALL TOWNS AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE TRENDS ACROSS 22 TO 2024, HOW OUR OUR SALES TAX WAS, YOU KNOW, MUCH HIGHER IN 2022. AND NOW IT'S DROPPED IN 2023 AND KIND OF STABILIZING. AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE FORESEEING RIGHT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT INCREASE IN OUR SALES TAX AS WELL, CONTRIBUTING TO THE SYSTEM, WHEREAS YOU SEE THE OTHER COMMUNITIES OR MEMBERS HERE, THEY HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THAT SAME GROWTH THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED. AND SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT SHIFT LOOKS LIKE VERSUS US IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE SYSTEM. HERE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS WE ARE USING THIS. THE UNINCORPORATED PIECE. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE DETAIL NOW OR NOT. CAN WE JUST GET AN EXPANSION OF WHAT THAT IS OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. YEAH. THERE'S PRECINCTS IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND TRAVIS COUNTY THAT WERE THAT OPTED TO VOTE TO BE PART OF THE METRO SYSTEM. AND I CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT FOR YOU ALL. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO RESEARCH ON WHAT THAT ACTUAL NUMBER LOOKS LIKE, HOW MANY ACTUAL RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY IN THOSE PRECINCTS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TO WHEN THEY CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF INHABITANTS, THEY'RE USING THE US CENSUS DATA. SO I CAN SEE I CAN FIND OUT WHICH SPECIFIC PRECINCTS THOSE THOSE ARE. AND FOR THE RECORD, THE REFERENDUM VOTED IN 1985, INCLUDED TRAVIS COUNTY PRECINCT NUMBER TWO AND THE ANDERSON MILL AREA OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY. SO IS THAT A SINGLE UNINCORPORATED CONTRIBUTION OR. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MULTIPLE. THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY AREAS. THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY AREAS, AREAS THAT ARE VOTED THEMSELVES INTO CAPMETRO. AND THIS IS STILL THE 1% SALES TAX REVENUE FROM THOSE TWO UNINCORPORATED AREAS. RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF LEANDER'S ACTUAL SALES TAX CONTRIBUTION BY BY CALENDAR YEAR. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET DATA AS FAR AS 2005. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT OVERALL WE'VE CONTRIBUTED OVER $100 MILLION TO THE SYSTEM. WE WERE WE BECAME A MEMBER BACK IN 1985. AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS WITH ALL THE GROWTH WE'RE HAVING, THAT THAT AMOUNT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO RISE EVEN FURTHER. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ESTIMATED NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION THAT'S BASED ON THE STATUTE THAT CAP METRO OPERATES, YOU KNOW, LEANDER WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO AND THIS IS BASED ON 2022 VALUES, $42 MILLION, IF THE CITY WERE TO OR IF THE CITY WERE TO WITHDRAW FROM CAPMETRO. AND SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW, CAPMETRO DOESN'T HAVE ANY DEBT ISSUED. AND SO IF THAT WERE TO BE ISSUED IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR SALES TAX WOULD BE PLEDGED TO. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A COMMON THING THAT A LOT OF CITIES ARE FIGHTING ACROSS THE STATE IS THAT THEY HAVE PLEDGED THEIR SALES TAX TO DEBT AND TO CAPITAL, AND IT'S BECOME A LOT. IT'S BECOME VERY IMPOSSIBLE FOR MANY CITIES IN DALLAS AND [00:20:04] HOUSTON TO GET OUT OF THEIR TRANSIT SYSTEMS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT. STRATEGIZING SOLUTIONS FOR THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WEIGHING THOSE OPTIONS OR WEIGHING THIS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY AND WHAT THINGS CAN WE DO TO HELP, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE SERVICES AND IMPROVE OUR FUNDING CONTRIBUTION? KEN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ADJUSTED TO $5? THERE'S A THERE'S A FORMULA THAT ACTUALLY THAT'S IN STATES THAT'S IN STATE STATUTE THAT CALCULATES BASED ON. SO WE COULD JUST DO A YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE IN 2025. BUT I IMAGINE THAT THE SOME SORT OF NUMBERS WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE ACTUAL FORMULA TO BE REALLY KIND OF ACCURATE BASED ON THAT. YEAH. $2,006. YEAH. ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION IN 2025. YEAH. YEAH YEAH. SO WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF BALLPARK AND PROVIDE THAT ESTIMATE TO COUNCIL. SURE. THANK YOU. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ESTIMATED NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION OF $42 MILLION IN MARCH 31ST, SO WAS THAT A NUMBER THAT GAVE US BEFORE WE WENT TO REFERENDUM OR AFTER? YES, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THEY GAVE US BEFORE WE WENT TO MATH. AND SO HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? IT'S A FORMULA. AND LET ME JUST I THINK I. WHICH. OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL GET THE POINT. YEAH. SO THE FORMULA THAT THEY USE OR THE ASPECTS THAT THEY USE FOR DETERMINING THAT INCLUDES UNENCUMBERED ASSETS WHICH ARE CASH AND CASH EQUIVALENTS, SHORT TERM INVESTMENTS, LONG TERM INVESTMENTS. THEN THERE ARE LIABILITIES WHICH INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, OBLIGATIONS, CMTA PENSION LIABILITIES, STARTRAN PENSION LIABILITY. THERE'S ALSO BUDGET OBLIGATIONS INCLUDED, WHICH ARE ENCUMBRANCES INCLUDING PURCHASE TRANSPORTATION BILL, CENTRAL TEXAS, AS WELL AS OUTSTANDING CONTRACTED OBLIGATIONS FOR FUTURE CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS AND ISLA'S WITH CAPMETRO. THIS KIND OF ALIGNS WITH WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS IF THEY START TAKING ON, I DON'T KNOW, $1 BILLION WORTH OF DEBT. YEAH. AND THEN WE'RE OBLIGATED TO THAT. AND THEN WE TIED UP OUR FUTURE SALES TAX FOR THAT, FOR GOING FOR YEARS AND YEARS FOR TEN, 20, 30 YEARS. YEAH. AND THAT'S COMMON TO WITH TRANSIT AUTHORITIES IN TEXAS. SO THEY'LL DO PLEDGE THEIR SALES TAX TO WHATEVER CAPITAL OR WHATEVER DEBT THAT THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY ISSUES. SO AND THAT CALCULATION, THE METHODOLOGY FOR THAT IS IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE. SO THEY'RE THROWING IN EVERYTHING THAT THE CODE ALLOWS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. I GUESS YOU KNOW I DID SOME QUICK MATH ON. I DID SOME QUICK MATH ON THESE THINGS. SO WE BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE 400 BUS AND RAIL RIDERS A DAY WITH, WITH OUR SALES TAX PROBABLY GOING TO HIT ABOUT 14 MILLION. THAT MEANS WE'RE PAYING ABOUT 35 K PER YEAR PER RIDER. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE TO THE RAIL. IF YOU GO TO BREAK UP THE RAIL FROM THE FROM THE BUS AND THE PICKUP SERVICE, WE HAVE ABOUT 66 RIDERS ON THE, ON THE RAIL, 200 RIDERS A DAY ON THE PICKUP SERVICE AND ON THE ON THE BUS, WHICH I DIDN'T DO THE MATH ON THAT, BUT IT'S IT BREAKS DOWN AND THEN THE BUSINESS LEANDER STATION WORK OUT TO ABOUT 133 A DAY, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S SPLIT 5050 FOR THE BUS AND FOR THE RAIL. I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO HOP IN HERE. IS ANY OF THIS IN WHAT YOU STILL HAVE YET TO ADDRESS IN THE SLIDES? I DON'T WANT US TO GET AHEAD OF. I DIDN'T THINK I CALCULATED THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE A COST OF SERVICE CALCULATION IN HERE THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH FOR THIS PAST YEAR, SO MAYBE THAT WILL HELP. DO YOU MIND IF WE HOLD THAT UNTIL THE. YEAH, I DO HAVE A COST OF SERVICE CALCULATION SLIDE. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TO OUR CURRENT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH CAPMETRO FOR BILL CENTRAL TEXAS. THIS WAS EXECUTED IN 2022. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL CENTRAL TEXAS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. YOU KNOW, FOR OUR MEMBERS, FUNDING FOR QUALIFIED TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, AND ALSO FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL SALES TAX COLLECTED ABOVE THE OPERATING EXPENSE. AND SO FOR THIS MOST RECENT YEAR, WE RECEIVED WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT OVER JUST OVER 800,000 IN TERMS OF SURPLUS OVER COST OF SERVICE, WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH FROM CAPMETRO. AND THOSE ARE USED FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS. OOPS, SORRY. AND SO [00:25:06] JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROJECTS. WE'VE HAD IT ON 183 CORRIDOR STUDY, SOUTH STREET IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW HERE WAY CONNECTION. WE RECENTLY IN 2023 WE REQUESTED FROM. AND SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO ENGAGE WITH COMMERCIAL TO HELP FUND A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS. AND IN THE 2022 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AS PART OF THAT, THE AGREEMENT INCLUDED AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE COST OF SERVICE PROJECTION. AND SO YOU'LL SEE FROM 2021 TO 2032, ABOUT THIS TIME NOW, IT WAS EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD BE UNDER OUR REVENUE FOR THE COST OF SERVICE. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER NOW. AND THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO ALL THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE. AND WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE TO GROW. RIGHT. AND WE'LL WE'LL SEE THAT EXTRA SURPLUS OF FUNDING AVAILABLE. AND SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE OF THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS TIME PERIOD, JUST BASED ON THE STUDY, WE'RE SEEING THOSE CONTINUAL INCREASES IN OUR SALES TAX. AND THIS IS THE COST OF SERVICE CALCULATION THAT CAPMETRO PROVIDES TO LEANDER AS PART OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT EACH YEAR. SO FOR THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR 2024, FOR THE METRO RAIL, THE ESTIMATED 226 2681 HOURS AND THEN THE COST PER HOUR WAS ATTRIBUTED TO ABOUT 2400. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE OVERALL TOTAL COST FOR THAT IS CLOSE TO 6.5 MILLION. AND THEN WITH THE METRO EXPRESS, WE'RE SEEING A TOTAL COST OF SERVICE FOR THAT, ABOUT 1.6 MILLION. AND THEN FOLLOWED BY OUR METRO RIDE SHAR, ABOUT 130,000, AND THEN OUR PICKUP SERVICE WITH 3.15 MILLION. AND SO OUR TOTAL COST TO SERVICE IS 11.4 MILLION. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WENT THROUGH HISTORY AND THE FINANCIALS AND THE RIDERSHIP FOR CAPMETRO. AND WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON STRATEGIES ON, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF FINDING SOLUTIONS TO WORK WITH CAPMETRO. AND SO PUBLIC TRANSIT IS A, IN MY OPINION, A VERY COMPLEX AREA IN THE STATE. AND A LOT OF CITIES AND AGENCIES ARE WILLING TO TACKLE IT. THERE HAS BEEN NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS AT THE STATE LEVEL TO CHANGE LEGISLATIVE THINGS, NOT NOT JUST HERE IN THE AUSTIN AREA, BUT IN THE DALLAS AREA, OVER IN THE HOUSTON AREA. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF LOBBYING GROUPS THAT LOBBY THAT LOBBY FOR RAILROAD COMPANIES AND COMMUTER RAIL. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE IS WHAT IS AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION, RIGHT? RIGHT. NOW, AS YOU SAW WITH THE SALES TAX REVENUE, LEANDER IS THE SECOND LARGEST CITY. THAT'S PART OF THAT. THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE MOST COST. BUT THERE ARE AREAS IN THE WHOLE REGION THAT ARE FINDING OTHER WAYS TO GET PUBLIC TRANSIT OR WORK WITH CAPMETRO ON, YOU KNOW, ILAS TO PROVIDE THEM SERVICE IN SOME WAYS, BECAUSE THE COST OF THEM TO BECOME A MEMBER IS TOO EXPENSIVE. AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN RECENTLY LAUNCHED THEIR OWN MICRO TRANSIT. RIGHT. AND SO NOW THEY THEY'RE TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES TO PROVIDE SOME WAY TO PROVIDE TRANSIT WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND CEDAR PARK IS LOOKING AT A MICRO TRANSIT STUDY IN A SIMILAR FASHION. PFLUGERVILLE, WHICH WAS MEMBER COMMERCIAL WITHDRAWN. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAS AREAS WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR SERVICE, INCREASED SERVICES AS WELL. AND THERE'S ALSO ROUND ROCK AND AS YOU RECALL FROM THE MAP WHERE YOU'RE SEEING ALL THOSE HEAT DENSITIES ALONG THE AREA OF THE REGION, I MEAN, THESE ARE AREAS THAT I WILL THAT WE, THAT WE DESCRIBE AS SWISS CHEESE. RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A REGION OF SWISS CHEESE WHERE THEIR SERVICE IS ARE MISSING. AND I BELIEVE IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE EQUITABLE FUNDING SOLUTIONS WHERE EVERYBODY'S EQUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE SYSTEM WE ARE. SUBSIDIZING. IN OTHER WORDS, THE COSTS FOR MANY RIDERS SO ANYBODY CAN COME TO LEANDER STATION, CAN RIDE IT DOWN TO AUSTIN. AND SO WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE COSTS FROM NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES TO UTILIZE THE RAIL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS NOT JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS A REGIONAL ISSUE. IT IS A STATEWIDE ISSUE. THE CITY OF PLANO AND OTHER CITIES HAVE [00:30:02] TRIED TO TACKLE THIS ISSUE IN THE DALLAS AREA, THE HOUSTON AREA, FOR MANY YEARS. AND I THINK IT'S THEY HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL. SO WE'RE REALLY AT A POINT WHERE I THINK WE REALLY NEED A LOT OF STATEWIDE COLLABORATION ON THIS, BECAUSE THERE ARE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE WHO HAVE RAIL SYSTEMS, AND THEY ONLY CONTRIBUTE HALF A PERCENT, OR THEY CONTRIBUTE A QUARTER OF THE PERCENT TO THE SYSTEM, AND THEN THEY PIECEMEAL IT INTO THESE MUCH LARGER SYSTEMS. SO THERE IS AN INEQUITY IN THE OVERALL TRANSIT SYSTEM IN TEXAS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK EXPLORING COLLABORATION WITH THESE OTHER REGIONS, MAYBE CREATING A COALITION AND REALLY TACKLE THIS FROM THE BIGGER REALM. RIGHT? WE REALLY GOT TO FIGURE OUT AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION THAT'S STATEWIDE. AND THE HOUSTON, THE HOUSTON METRO, YOU KNOW, OPERATES UNDER THE SAME STATUTES AS KAT MITCHELL AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME AREAS THERE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO COORDINATE ON IN TERMS OF ANY CHANGES LEGISLATIVELY. AND THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT NOW, WE ARE THE MEMBERS. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS THAT THAT ARE IN PLACE WHERE WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE COST FOR THEM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM A FAIRNESS STANDPOINT, IS THAT FAIR TO RESIDENTS OF AUSTIN, LEANDER, THESE OTHER SMALLER CITIES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SYSTEM WHERE OTHER PEOPLE CAN JUST EASILY ACCESS IT? SO WHAT DOES THAT FINANCIAL STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE? DOES IT NEED TO LOOK MORE REGIONAL AT A MPO LEVEL? AT A COUNTY LEVEL, MULTI-COUNTY MULTI COUNTY OR MULTI JURISDICTIONAL. AND MAYBE THAT FUNDING STRUCTURE WHERE IT'S NOT 1% OF SALES TAX, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF REVENUE SOURCE THAT HELPS FUND PUBLIC TRANSIT. AND ALSO WHAT IS THE GOVERNANCE FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT AUTHORITIES. I THINK THAT'S A KEY PIECE. YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, MAKING SURE OTHER CITIES FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING HEARD, TOO. AND THAT'S A LOT OF THE TIMES WHY A LOT OF THINGS GO TO THE STATE LEVEL IS BECAUSE MANY CITIES AREN'T BEING HEARD BY THE TRANSIT AUTHORITIES, AND SO THEY TAKE IT UP TO THE NEXT STEP TO TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS. AND JUST FROM MY CONVERSATIONS AT THE STATE LEVEL, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE WANTING, YOU KNOW, CITIES TO HANDLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. BUT IT REALLY IS A STATEWIDE ISSUE. WE REALLY GOT TO ADDRESS IT IN TERMS OF EQUITABILITY ACROSS THE STATE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE SECOND YOU SAID THEY WANT CITIES TO ADDRESS THIS LOCALLY WHEN IT'S IN THE STATE TRANSPORTATION CODE. YEAH. YEAH. SO CAN THEY. WELL, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT BECAUSE WE JUST GIVE THEM OUR MONEY AND THEY PROVIDE THE SERVICES THEY WANT. LOOKING AT THIS CHART, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE HOURS THAT THE PICKUP SERVICE PROVIDES. AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR HIGHEST UTILIZED SYSTEMS, BUT IT'S A FRACTION OF THE COST OF THE RAIL. SO IT WAS US. WE'D SAY HEY CUT THE RAIL SERVICE BECAUSE THERE'S MANY PEOPLE USING IT, AND LET'S ADD SOME MORE ROUTES TO THE PICKUP SERVICE. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AT THE STATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT AND ONLY THEY CAN CHANGE. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH YOU THERE TOO. AND YOU KNOW, I'M IN TOUCH WITH, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES IN THE DALLAS AREA AND THE HOUSTON AREA. IT TAKES THEM YEARS TO REALLY BUILD THE CASE. AND SO LIKE FINALLY, I KNOW ONE OF THE CHAIRMAN FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, HE HE HE WAS AGAINST ONE OF THE DART BILLS BEFORE IN THE PAST. AND THIS YEAR HE ACTUALLY SUPPORTED THEM BECAUSE THERE'S A THIRD ROUND GOING THERE. AND SO IT TAKES TIME. BUT THEY ALSO WERE HANDLING THAT AT A REGIONAL LEVEL THAT'S FOCUSED TO THEM. I REALLY THINK IF WE DEAL WITH THIS ON A STATEWIDE LEVEL AND HAVE REGIONAL COORDINATION ACROSS THE STATE, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST ADVOCACY ROUTE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO PUBLIC TRANSIT DOWN IN THE VALLEY IN THE, YOU KNOW, VALLEY AREA. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE FACING THE SAME ISSUES AS US ASIDE FROM THE BIG METROPLEXES. AND SO I THINK IT REALLY IT REALLY IS GOING TO NEED A STATEWIDE COORDINATED EFFORT WITH ALL THESE BIG METRO AREAS AND REALLY CREATING THAT HUGE COALITION OF CITIES TO REALLY FIND AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION FOR THAT. SO. CAN I ASK IF YOU'VE SEEN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE TRYING TO SUBSIDIZE SUBSIDIZE WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON? ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT RAISING FEES FOR RIDERS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY FROM THE CITY THAT'S PAYING? IS THAT AN OPTION THAT THEY'VE DONE TO TRY TO? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE PFLUGERVILLE DID SOMETHING, OKAY, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS, BUT IT WAS CALLED, OH WITH SOME PLAY ON THE PFF. I CAN'T REMEMBER IT NOW, BUT FETCH A RIDE. YEAH, YEAH, FETCH A RIDE. AND THEY PAID $4. OKAY. SO BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PROGRAMS ARE GOING BROKE, OKAY. BECAUSE THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT. AND IT'S. [00:35:06] BUT THE WAY IT WORKED IS IT'S UBER ISH, OKAY. IT'S ALL PICKUP SERVICE AND WOULD TAKE PEOPLE AROUND, BUT THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE ACTUALLY WOULD FUND $4 A RIDE FOR ANYBODY. IT DIDN'T MATTER WHERE YOU WERE GOING OR WHAT YOU WERE DOING, BUT PART OF THE STRUGGLE WAS TO ONE OF THE PLACES IN PFLUGERVILLE, THERE'S A TECH RIDGE. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE OF AUSTIN, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE. BUT YOU COULDN'T GET THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN PFLUGERVILLE. RIGHT. AND SO THEY MY AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PROGRAM IS FLOUNDERING. BUT THAT WAS THEIR ATTEMPT OF TRYING TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHEN THEY VOTED OUT THAT THEY HAD TO PROVIDE SOMETHING. BUT THE CITY CAN'T CAN'T HANDLE THE COST. IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION FOR SINCE WE HAVE RIDERS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY COMING FROM OTHER CITIES WHO ARE NOT PAYING INTO THE FEES THAT WE PAY MEMBER FEE TO CHARGE A HIGHER RATE FOR THEM TO RIDE THE RAIL OR THE PICKUP SERVICE BASED ON ADDRESS, LIKE IF THEY'RE SHOWING ID, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT, BUT YEAH, IT'S A IT'S JUST A FLAT. YOU BUY A, YOU BUY A, A TRAIN TICKET OR WHATEVER. BUT THE BUT THE GROUPS THAT CONTRACT SEPARATELY DO PAY THE FULL COST OF PRICE. WHEREAS ALTHOUGH EXPENSIVE, IT IS A REDUCED PRICE AS A MEMBER CITY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. WERE YOU DONE WITH THE PRESENTATION? YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN COUNCIL QUESTIONS I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL HAVE QUESTIONS. SO PLACE ONE YOU WANT TO START IF YOU HAVE ANY. CAN YOU ACTUALLY. SORRY MAYOR I HAVE ONE MORE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO. OKAY. WELL I THINK I THINK IT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY. AND SO I MENTIONED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON IN THE DALLAS AREA AND DART. AND SO WITH THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE WAS A BILL THAT THERE WAS THERE WERE SEVERAL BILLS THAT WERE NOT PASSED TO TRY TO REDUCE THE 1% SALES TAX IN DART TO THREE QUARTER PERCENT. AND SO BECAUSE THAT DID NOT PASS THE THIRD TIME, SOME SEVERAL OF THE MEMBER CITIES HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DART TO ESTABLISH AN ILA PROGRAM OR AN ILA FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. AND WITH THAT THEY HAVE THE ART HAS RECENTLY ADOPTED A FRAMEWORK FOR THE ILA. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THIS ALLOWS DART TO CONTRIBUTE SALES TAX TO A TERS, A CITY CREATED TERS TO HELP TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT TERS. AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PURPOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME SORT OF DART STATION DART SERVICE THERE IN THAT AREA. AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LEANDER STATION IN ARCHER'S. AND SO THIS GOT MY BRAIN THINKING AS A POSSIBLE AVENUE THAT WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TERS. AND OUR TERS IS PRETTY IN ENCOMPASSING. IT GOES HERE TO OLD TOWN AS WELL. AND SO THAT COULD PROVIDE SOME FUNDING RELIEF TO HELP OUR DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN EDC BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT EXTRA PERCENT SALES TAX. SO THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME OF THAT BACK INTO OUR SYSTEM TO HELP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND JUST A BASIC STRUCTURE FOR THE ILA, YOU KNOW, THE DART, DART AND THE CITY, THEY ESTABLISH THEIR OWN KIND OF BASE VALUE FOR THE TOURS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE. AND THEN THEY CALCULATE WHAT THAT INCREMENT LOOKS LIKE OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD. AND IT'S BASED ON SALES TAX REVENUE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS STATE STATUTE THAT DOES ALLOW THAT CONTRIBUTION TO GO INTO A CITY TOURS. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER CHANG KEN, I WAS WONDERING IF ON SLIDE 19 YOU'VE GOT SOME CITIES LISTED ALONG WITH SALES TAX BY AGENCY, IF WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THESE CITIES ABOUT POTENTIAL COLLABORATIONS AND PARTNERSHIPS DISCUSSIONS FOR THE OTHER MEMBER CITIES. SO COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS IS OUR SERVES ON THE METRO BOARD AND IS A SMALL CITIES REPRESENTATIVE. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT OR I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THEM YET, BUT YEAH, WE TALK QUITE FREQUENTLY ACTUALLY. AND I HONESTLY, I WAS YOUR QUESTION WAS TO KENT INITIALLY, SO I WASN'T PAYING A TON OF ATTENTION TO BE HONEST. BUT WE DO. WE MEET QUARTERLY AS A SMALL CITIES GROUP, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN MUCH PAST ME GETTING ON THE BOARD. THERE WAS A LOT OF LACK OF COMMUNICATION, BUT YES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT ISSUES. SO TRYING TO COORDINATE THAT, AND I REALLY, I GUESS TO MAYBE PUT IT A LITTLE MORE SUCCINCTLY, I THINK WE'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE ON AS A COUNCIL AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO, BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF [00:40:04] DIFFERENT THINGS AT PLAY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE BIGGER PICTURE IS THE CHANGING ON THE STATE LEVEL. BUT IT'S IT CAN'T BE LANDER DOING IT. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. IT HAS TO BE A COLLABORATION. AND WHAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR AND I THINK STAFF IS TO IS WHERE ARE WE IN APPROVING, AGREEING TO WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE FOR STAFF TO START WORKING ON THAT COALITION AND TALKING TO THE OTHER CITIES AND PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE MUCH BIGGER THAN US. AND IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THE TRANSIT AGENCIES ON BOARD. TWO OF WHICH, CAPMETRO IS TO BEING ABLE TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE AND HOW TO MAKE IT WORK SO THAT PUBLIC TRANSIT HAS A STEADY STREAM OF INCOME TO RUN IN ALL THE CAPITAL EXPENSES, BUT ALSO DOESN'T PUT THE BURDEN ON INDIVIDUAL CITIES. SECONDLY, THERE ARE MORE LOCAL AND OF WHICH OUR VOTERS TOLD US ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS THEY THEY WANT TO BE A MEMBER CITY. SO THERE'S THAT THAT WE HAVE TO HONOR, IN MY OPINION. BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND IN 2022, WE DID BECOME PART OF THE BUILD CENTRAL TEXAS, WHICH IS MORE OR LESS THE EDC TYPE OF SITUATION. BUT FOR LEANDER SPECIFICALLY, PART OF OUR COST OF SERVICE IS WE ARE CHARGED 50% OF THE COST OF THE RAIL. NO OTHER SMALL HAS RAIL. SO THAT'S UNIQUE TO US. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH CAPMETRO, BUT AGAIN, I NEED STAFF TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS, BUT THEY CAN'T TAKE THE LEAD UNLESS THE SEVEN OF US AGREE. SEVEN OF US AGREE THAT THE AVENUE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IS THAT WE NEED TO RENEGOTIATE THAT COST OF THE RAIL. IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I DON'T THINK THAT LEANDER SHOULD BE SADDLED AT ALL WITH THE COST OF A RAIL SERVICE THAT TAKES PEOPLE INTO AUSTIN, PRIMARILY. AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ILA RENEGOTIATED, WHETHER THAT'S MONEY TO COME BACK TO US IN IN THE BUILD CENTRAL TEXAS PROGRAM FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S TO EXPAND PICKUP. OR MAYBE IT'S BOTH, I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU FOR THE HELPFUL CONTEXT AND APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE THERE. SORRY. VERY QUICKLY, I WANT TO JUMP IN BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID. COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS. I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE THAT. YOU NEED US TO AGREE THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR STAFF TO NEGOTIATE HOW THE COST OF RAIL IS BEING ASSESSED TO CITY. YES, MA'AM. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT DISAGREES WITH STAFF DOING THAT? ALL RIGHT, STAFF, YOU HAVE AGREEMENT. COUNCILMEMBER CHANG, BACK TO YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT HELPFUL CONTEXT. COUNCILMEMBER ROSS, APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER HERRERA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN DALLAS, DOES THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A LEGAL PRECEDENT FOR OBLIGATING FUTURE SALES TAX REVENUE. AND SO, SO CAPMETRO COULD OFFER FUTURE REVENUE, THEIR SALES TAX THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EARN FROM US TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? WHAT WE DO IT NOW FOR, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS. SO WE'VE ISSUED IT FOR, YOU KNOW, STUDIES AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. AND I'VE LOOKED AT OUR STATUTE THAT METRO OPERATES UNDER. AND THERE IS A PROVISION UNDER THERE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND FOR THOSE PURPOSES. AND SO THAT COULD BE AN AREA THAT WE LOOK FURTHER INTO AND KIND OF FOLLOWING ON THAT YOU MENTIONED. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE TERS AND THEY WERE DOING THAT THERE. AND SO IS THE TERS AVAILABILITY ONLY RELATED TO THE TOD OR IS IT ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY. SO ANY SO THE WAY THEY WOULD IT WOULD BE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY THAT ESTABLISHES THE TERS. THE BIGGEST THING WITH THE TERS IN TERMS OF THE DART FRAMEWORK, IT HAS TO RELATE TO SOME SORT OF DART SERVICE, DART RAIL STATION, WHATEVER IT IS, IT HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF TRANSIT IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS PART OF THAT. SO IT COULD BE A ROAD ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF LEANDER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE, BUT AND AGAIN, THIS IS SORT OF GETTING BEYOND MY EXPERTISE, BUT THERE IS SOME FEDERAL LEGISLATION AROUND WHAT TRANSPORTATION FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR, AND WHICH IS WHY OUR AND THE WITH THE BCT FUNDS, IT'S A ONE MILE RADIUS OF TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS SORT OF WHERE WE ARE AROUND THE METRO STATION. THANKFULLY, IT FITS OLD TOWN INTO THAT, BUT WE COULDN'T BUILD A ROAD UP ON RONALD REAGAN WITH BCT FUNDS. IT ALL HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN A FRAMEWORK AROUND THE RAIL STATION. RIGHT? BUT IF [00:45:08] THEY I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO IF THEY CAN OBLIGATE THEMSELVES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, COULD THEY OBLIGATE THEMSELVES FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND THEN YOU COULD USE IT ON RONALD REAGAN, OR YOU COULD USE IT OVER A PARKWAY OR. YEAH. NO, THESE ARE THE PROJECT, JUST A RANDOM PROJECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN IS NOT GOING TO QUALIFY IN ALL LIKELIHOOD. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE USE THE WE USE THE BCT AS PART OF THE INCENTIVE FOR HOME DEPOT. IT'S ABOUT 1.6 MILLION THAT WE APPLIED TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THERE THAT QUALIFY BECAUSE OF LOCATION AND PROXIMITY TO WITHIN THE PICKUP SYSTEM. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO IF WE EXPAND, IF THEY EXPANDED THE PICKUP SERVICE, THEN IT WOULD APPLY TO THAT AREA. NO, NO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE CORRECT. SO IT IS GOING TO BE RESTRICTED. SO YEAH IT'S GOT TO HAVE LIKE SOME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION NEXUS. SO LIKE ROUND ROCK, THEY ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE FEDERAL GRANTS THEMSELVES AND THEY USE THEIRS ONE YEAR FOR BUILDING A BIG PARKING GARAGE IN THEIR OLD TOWN. AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ALLOW BUSSES TO COME INTO THAT PARKING GARAGE. AND SO THAT'S THEIR NEXUS. IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE COULD BE CREATIVE AND COME UP WITH A REASON. WELL, AND PART OF THE PART OF THE THING TOO IS AND THAT'S BASED ON STATUTORY AUTHORIZATIONS THAT COULD CHANGE. SO I THINK I DON'T THINK I WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS A PERMANENT KIND OF SOLUTION. I THINK IT'S AN INTERIM SOLUTION. IT'S ONE OF OUR GATEWAY EFFORTS TO TRY TO HELP MAKE MORE APPROPRIATE USE OUT OF THOSE DOLLARS. THE SO AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN THE SESSION THIS TIME, CORRECT? KENT, ON THE BCT PROGRAM THERE WAS THEY'RE AWARE OF IT IN AUSTIN. THE LEGISLATORS IN TERMS OF THAT PROGRAM? YEAH. AT THE STATE LEVEL, THERE WAS ALWAYS A PUSH, NOT JUST HERE ABOUT AUSTIN, BUT ALSO IN DART TOO, JUST IN TERMS OF FUNDING OVERALL FOR PROJECTS. IT DIDN'T PASS. BUT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FROM WHAT I SAW, OPPOSITION FROM PEOPLE COMMENTING ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGHOUT TEXAS. SO HERE'S THE REALITY OF YOUR QUESTION. THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PROJECTS, ONES THAT WOULD AND WOULD NOT QUALIFY. SO IF WE KNOW THAT WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IS CLOSE TO THEIR SURFACE, THAT QUALIFIES, THAT'S GREAT. IT ALLOWS US TO SHIFT THE DOLLARS WE WOULD HAVE SPENT ON THAT OVER TO AN AREA THAT DOESN'T. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THANK YOU. I'M DONE. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER MCDONALD. SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE WILL SIT HERE AND SAY THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR SOME PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW ON WITH THE EXPANDED GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPECTING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, AND WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN POPULATION SIZE, THE NEED IS JUST GOING TO GROW. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS VERY EYE OPENING FOR ME, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 20,552 HOURS FOR THE PICKUP SERVICE AT $3 MILLION VERSUS 2681 HOURS FOR 6.5 MILLION FOR THE RAIL SERVICE? DO THEY DO WE HAVE ANY INFLUENCE WITH CAPMETRO ON THE SERVICES THAT ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDED? SO WE CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE THAT TO INCREASE OUR PICKUP SERVICE TO PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY USE IT AT A MUCH LOWER COST TO PROVIDE THAT BENEFIT. BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN EYE OPENING TO ME. I THINK THIS WILL BE EYE OPENING TO OUR RESIDENTS TO SHOW THEM THE COST OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WHAT CAPMETRO IS RECEIVING FROM US VIA THE SALES TAX REVENUE THAT WE DO NOT CAPTURE BECAUSE IT GOES TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THAT IS COSTING US, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT. A LOT OF US DON'T KNOW THAT HOW MUCH IT'S. AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL COST PER RIDER THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING? EACH AND EVERY RIDER FOR ALL THREE SERVICES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT OUT MAYBE ON A MONTHLY BASIS, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S INFORMED? BECAUSE IF WE WERE MAYBE NOT AS FRUGAL WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ALL OVER US. SO I THINK THEY NEED TO BE MORE INFORMED. SO IN CASE ANYTHING DOWN THE FUTURE, THEY CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAD. I YEAH, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO STOP CHASING THE RABBIT OF GETTING OUT OF TRANSIT. I THINK WE'RE THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD. WHENEVER WE DO THAT. THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN TWICE. THEY'VE SPOKEN IN THE OTHER SMALL CITIES EVEN RECENTLY. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T GET OUT OF IT. I THINK OUR BEST BET IS HAVING THAT LEGISLATIVE COALITION. I THINK THAT ALLIANCE DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN THROUGH STAFF. I THINK IT ALSO HAPPENS THROUGH US TALKING TO OUR COUNTERPARTS IN ALL OF THESE METRO AREAS, BECAUSE TEXAS IS THE ONLY STATE THAT HAS THIS BACKWARD WAY OF FUNDING TRANSIT. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR AREA, GEORGETOWN, ROUND ROCK, CEDAR PARK, NONE OF THEM ARE EVER GOING TO GET IN BECAUSE THEY'VE ALLOCATED THAT PENNY. AND SO IF THEY ALL DECIDE TO RUN THEIR OWN TRANSIT SYSTEMS AT COST, WELL, THEY DON'T [00:50:06] COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. YOU CAN'T TRANSFER, YOU CAN'T GET TO WHERE YOU WANT. THERE IS NO OTHER METRO AREA IN THE COUNTRY THAT RUNS THAT BACKWARD. I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK TO OUR OVERLORDS IN THE LEGISLATURE, WE GET THAT GLAZED EYE LOOK RIGHT, I KNOW THAT I SEE THAT IN ASSOCIATIONS THAT I'M IN. I'M LIKE, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSIT. WELL, NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED. AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT GAVE ME HOPE THIS SESSION IS WHEN MR. SURASAK WAS TALKING TO OUR LEGISLATORS ABOUT VARIOUS OTHER THINGS AND TALKING TO THEIR STAFF AND WHATNOT, REALLY EDUCATING THEM ON THINGS BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY'RE GOING AND VOTING ON STUFF THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SOMETIMES. SO I THINK IF WE CONTINUE THAT PRESSURE AND WE BUILD THAT COALITION WITH THE OTHER CITIES, THE ONES THAT ARE IN AND FEEL THIS INEQUITY AND THE ONES THAT ARE OUT AND WANT SOME TRANSIT, I THINK WE COULD MAKE SOME REAL DIFFERENCE IN TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS. BUT BUT IT COULD ACTUALLY CHANGE HOW THIS THIS WORKS SO THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S AT LEAST SEMI-FUNCTIONAL PRO TEM. FIRST, I WOULD SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING A VERY THOROUGH REPORT OF THE NUMBERS. I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS IN 22, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS. WE DID TALK ABOUT WHAT IT COST TO GET OUT OF CAPMETRO THAT INFORMATION WAS MADE, MADE PUBLIC. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, SO I FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC WAS CLEAR ON THAT. AND WE AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MAYOR. THE PUBLIC HAS VOTED A COUPLE OF TIMES FOR US TO STAY IN, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PROPONENT OF HOW DO WE DO MORE WITH THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE, HOW DO WE GET MORE FOR OUR RESIDENTS? HOW DO WE GET MORE FOR OUR CITY AND NOT FOCUS ALL OF OUR SOLUTIONS ON MOVING NORTH AND SOUTH? BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE PEOPLE EAST AND WEST IN THE CITY AS OUR POPULATION GROWS. HOW DO WE EXPAND PICKUP SERVICE? WHAT DOES PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION GROW INTO FOR US AS OUR POPULATION GROWS? SO I APPRECIATE A VERY THOROUGH LOOK. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE COALITION THAT YOU SAID, ONE OF THE SENATORS THAT HAVE BEEN AGAINST IT FINALLY VOTED FOR IT THIS YEAR. WHAT HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE? HOW LONG WERE THEY WORKING ON THIS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? I'M GOING TO SAY SOME CITIES HAVE PROBABLY BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR DECADES, BUT HAVE REALLY PICKED UP, TRY TO PICK UP TRACTION WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS. I KNOW MY COUNTERPART IN PLANO HAS BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT, AND SIX YEARS STILL HAS NOT COME TO SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION. RIGHT? HOWEVER, IT'S THAT EDUCATION PIECE. IT'S SPEAKING TO OUR STATE REPS AND OUR STATE SENATORS, NOT JUST HERE IN THE AREA, BUT THOSE OTHER AREAS, TOO. AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE, ANYTIME THERE'S A BILL THAT COMES UP, RIGHT, THAT'S AFFECTING US, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ANOTHER COMMUNITY. SO IT'S OUR IT'S I SEE IT AS MY ROLE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SPEAKING TO THOSE REPS AND SENATORS, RIGHT. SO THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON THEIR CONSTITUENTS. AND THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS IS WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THIS COALITION, WE'RE BUILDING AT A STATE LEVEL FROM LOCAL TO STATE SUPPORT, BECAUSE WE NEED THE OTHER AREAS. EL PASO HAS RAIL. YOU KNOW, RIGHT DOWN IN THE BROWNSVILLE. HARLINGEN HAS RAIL. HOUSTON, YOU KNOW, FORT WORTH, DENTON. THERE'S THESE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE RAIL TOO. SO IT'S BUILDING THAT COALITION FROM ACROSS THE STATE THAT'S IMPACTING THESE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS. YOU KNOW, FROM THE WELL, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE FOOTING THE BILL SOLELY FOR RAIL. AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO RENEGOTIATE OUR ILA, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE DOING THAT EXPEDITIOUSLY TO GET THAT DONE IF WE CAN. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE APPETITE ACTUALLY IS AT A COUNTY LEVEL AND AT A STATE LEVEL FOR THE COALITION? LIKE, I KNOW YOU NEED OUR AGREEMENT AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT HAVE YOU HEARD TALKS ON THE SMALL CITIES COUNCIL THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN CREATING THIS COALITION? EITHER ONE OF Y'ALL? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF SWIRLING FROM AT LEAST I KNOW FOR ME IN TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT BECAUSE OF NOT WELL WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE HISTORY AGAIN, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT BEING A COHESIVE MESSAGE COMING FROM COUNCIL, WHETHER IT WAS THIS ONE OR THE LAST ONE. AND FOR US ALL WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, QUITE FREQUENTLY. WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY APPETITE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL. AND I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES WITH RAIL, SO WE'RE THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM. AND SO IT'S A BIT OF A HOT POTATO. SO THAT'S GOING ■TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE NOISY ABOUT. BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT IT, AND I [00:55:04] THINK EITHER DAVID OR CHRISTINE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT, I THINK THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE QUITE FREQUENTLY IT'S ALL WE NEED OUT OF CAPMETRO. AND THE QUESTION IS AND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THAT, THE FOLLOW UP IS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT PICKUP SERVICE ANYMORE AND YOU DON'T WANT RAIL SERVICE, YOU JUST WANT THE PARKING LOT. MAYBE IT WELL, NO, I DON'T WANT THAT. AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IT'S THE FUNDING MECHANISM. IT'S NOT PUBLIC TRANSIT. SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES OKAY, WELL WHAT IS RIGHT. AND I THINK PUBLIC TRANSIT IS SIMILAR TO FIRE AND POLICE AND ALL THE THINGS IT'S A SERVICES PROVIDED. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A MONEY MAKER, BUT WE ALSO SHOULDN'T BE MAKING A DECISION. IS IT PUBLIC TRANSIT OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT SHOULD NOT BE AN EITHER OR CONVERSATION FOR ANY COMMUNITY. SO BECAUSE IT'S A VOTER REFERENDUM AND OUR VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN STRONGLY SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE NEED TO STAY IN, WHAT I HAVE FELT LIKE IS MY ROLE. WHEN THE MAYOR ASKED ME TO SERVE AS A SMALL CITIES REPRESENTATIVE IS, HOW DO WE BEST ENHANCE THAT RELATIONSHIP FOR OUR CITIZENS, AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THAT IS BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PAYING WHAT WE OWE AND NOTHING MORE, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE ENHANCE IT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND OUR MONEY MORE EFFECTIVELY? AND IF WE DO SWITCH THINGS UP WHEN IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE? SO WHAT I WAS SORT OF LOOKING FOR, OF COMING OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT? I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WHEN LAGO HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THERE, OR WERE LOOKING TO GET A COUPLE OF THINGS PASSED AT THE STATE LEVEL ABOUT THE TWO YEAR SITUATION AND THE NET FINANCIAL OBLIGATION, NEITHER OF WHICH WERE IN LEANDER'S BEST INTEREST. BUT THAT WAS PUSHED FOR US TO SUPPORT THAT. AND SO I'M LOOKING FOR FROM A COUNCIL LEVEL AND AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS BOARD, WHAT WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? DO WE WANT TO WORK AS A COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THIS BIGGER COALITION, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME STATE CHANGES, HOPEFULLY, AND OR HOPEFULLY. AND WHAT DO WE SUPPORT LOOKING AT FROM OUR ILA, WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO CAPMETRO ABOUT FOR THE LAST LITTLE BIT IS RENEGOTIATING OUR SPECIFIC TO THE TRAIN, SO THAT THAT'S SOME GUIDANCE THAT I NEED FROM YOU GUYS TO KNOW HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO MOVE FORWARD. PRETEND. IS THAT THE END OF YOUR QUESTIONS? YES. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER NADINE. I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS THE PRIMARY FOCUS FOR CHANGE OR ANY CHANGE ACTION. CAN YOU PERHAPS IN AN ADDENDUM, PROVIDE THE NAMES OF THE LEGISLATORS WHO WROTE THE BILLS IN THE 89TH? YOU YOU MENTIONED FIVE, 4 OR 5 HERE. I THINK THERE WERE MORE THAN THIS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, CAN WE GET A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHO THOSE LEGISLATORS WERE THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF CREATING SOME CONVERSATION? AND I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT. SO WHEN THE COST TO THE CITY OF LEANDER IS PART OF OUR REFERENDUM BASED AGREEMENT TO BE PART OF THE GREATER CAPMETRO PROJECTS, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT SO? IS OUR CONTRIBUTION ONLY FOR OUR PART? SO WHEN THE VOTERS VOTE IN TO BE A MEMBER CITY OF CAPMETRO, THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE CAN BE PROVIDED SERVICE AND THAT A PENNY OR 1% OF THE SALES TAX GOES DIRECTLY TO CAPMETRO AND THEN PENNY COMES HERE. ON TOP OF THAT, IN 2022. WE NEGOTIATED FOR LEANDER TO BECOME PART OF THE BUILD CENTRAL TEXAS PROGRAM. DIFFERENT THING. SO WE WERE A MEMBER CITY FOR YEARS WITHOUT BEING PART OF THE BUILD CENTRAL TEXAS PROGRAM IN 2022. WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD, LEANDER BECAME PART OF THE BUILD CENTRAL TEXAS PROGRAM THAT ILA SAYS THAT ANY SALES TAX THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE COST OF SERVICE COMES BACK TO THE CITY, BUT BECAUSE OF FEDERAL LEGISLATION, IT'S NOT A FREE CHECKBOOK. THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE SPENT ON TRANSIT ORIENTED INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT WAS THAT CHART WHERE WE WERE KIND OF [01:00:05] IN THE NEGATIVE, BUT WHERE KENT WAS REFERRING TO THAT. WE'VE SPENT MONEY THAT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WITH HOME DEPOT TO COME. WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD A SERVICE ROAD THAT THEY NEEDED. WE DID THE 183 STUDY. WE DID SOME THINGS WITH OLD TOWN, OLD TOWN STUDY, AND THERE WAS A HANDFUL, A HANDFUL OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE USED. THOSE MONEY IN ADDITION TO. THE OTHER THING THAT CAME ABOUT WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD WAS CAPMETRO UNDERSTOOD THAT THE SMALL CITIES HAD BEEN PRETTY MUCH IGNORED ALL DURING THE PROJECT CONNECT NEGOTIATION YEARS WITH AUSTIN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO THEY PUT TEN, $10 MILLION IN A FUND THAT WAS SPLIT AMONG THE SMALL CITIES BY PERCENTAGE OF SALES TAX, WHICH FOR LEANDER WAS 74%. SO WE GOT ABOUT $7.4 MILLION TO ALSO BE ABLE TO USE ON SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL THE FUNDING MECHANISM ITSELF. LET'S SET ASIDE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S SET THAT ASIDE FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE THAT OBVIOUSLY PROVIDES SOME REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES BACK TO THE CITY. THE ACTUAL FUNDING MECHANISM ITSELF, THIS IS A SHARED COST ACROSS THE ENTIRE CAPMETRO SERVICE AREA. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT JUST PAYING FOR LEANDER RIDERS. THAT $0.01 GOES TO THE TOTAL COST OF CAPMETRO ACROSS THEIR ENTIRE SERVICE AREA. AND DOES THAT APPLY TO ALL OF THE SERVICES PROVIDED? IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS RAIL, IT IS BUS, AND FOR US IT'S THE SMALLER TRANSIT PIECES. BUT THAT'S ALSO TRUE FOR ALL OF THEIR OTHER SERVICE AREAS. CORRECT. IT'S A TOTAL SOME COST FOR CAPMETRO, FOR WHICH WE PAY BASED ON OUR TAX REVENUE, A PERCENTAGE, BUT THE COST ITSELF IS SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE THE ENTIRE SERVICE AREA. CORRECT? I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE. SO I JUST I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S COSTING THE CITIZENS OF LEANDER X BECAUSE OF WHAT WE PAY IN FROM A SERVICE TAX PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL COST, NOT A COST TO OUR RIDERS. WELL, RIGHT. KIND OF. SO A RAIL SPECIFICALLY THERE, THE COST OF SERVICE FROM THE LAKELINE STATION TO THE LEANDER STATION IS CALCULATED. AND THEN WE PAY HALF OF THAT. WE PAY 100% OF OUR PICKUP BECAUSE IT'S ONLY IN LEANDER. VERY EASY NUMBER TO AND THEN THE BUS THE 985 IS COMING FROM LEANDER AND GOING TO LEANDER. SO THAT'S AN EASY COST. SO YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR HOWARD STATION COST OF SERVICE. YOU'RE PAYING. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE COST OF SERVICE THAT GETS SUBTRACTED FROM OUR SALES TAX AND COMES BACK TO US. WHEREAS BEFORE 2022, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. GOTCHA. IT JUST WENT IN BUT DIDN'T COME BACK OUT AT ALL. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO IF I'M CORRECT AGAIN HERE AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT THERE IS LAND IN THE CITY OF LEANDER THAT IS OWNED BY CAPMETRO, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO THAT LAND WOULD BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE TOUR'S AGREEMENT IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP, SAY, A SUBSTATION OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO BETTER SERVICE THE AREA NORTHWEST OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN. IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF HAVING BUSSES COME ALL THE WAY FROM AUSTIN TO LEANDER, THE BUSSES WOULD MOVE FROM LEANDER TO SERVICE AREAS HERE IN THE NORTHWEST. IS THAT NOT PLAUSIBLE? NO, NOT REALLY, BECAUSE FROM A ORGANIZATION STANDPOINT, AND WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING BUSSES AND STUFF, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE YOUR REPAIR FACILITIES, YOUR MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. AT THE END OF LINE, YOU HAVE THEM. THEY HAVE A NORTH, CENTER AND SOUTH THAT ARE THAT ARE RECENTLY BUILT. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. BUT THERE'S ONE ON NORTH LAMAR AND THERE'S ONE FURTHER SOUTH. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT ADDRESS, BUT IT'S EASIER TO BE ABLE TO GET WHEN YOU HAVE A BUS THAT'S BREAKING DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE DON'T HAVE FIXED BUS SERVICE, SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A FIXED BUS SERVICE UP NORTH OF NORTH LEANDER. SO FROM A HUGE ORGANIZATION STANDPOINT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. HOWEVER, IT IS 28 ACRES. IT IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH ON ON 183 HERE TO GROVE NORTH ISH AREA THAT CAPMETRO. WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS OF WOULD WE WANT TO BUY THAT PROPERTY? AND THERE ARE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO DO A TRANSFER FROM A GOVERNMENT AGENCY TO A GOVERNMENT AGENCY FOR BASICALLY A REDUCED COST, MORE OR LESS. BUT THE CITY OF LEANDER HAS TO DECIDE A THAT THEY WANT THE LAND, AND B WHAT THEY'RE GOING [01:05:06] TO USE IT FOR. BECAUSE IF, FOR INSTANCE, IF LEANDER WANTED TO BUY IT BECAUSE THEN WE WANTED TO MAYBE HANG ON TO IT AND SEE IF WE COULD SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER, THEN WE HAVE TO BY LAW, WE HAVE TO BUY IT AT MARKET VALUE. IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE POLICE STATION THERE, A TRAINING CENTER, THEN IT'S A GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT TRANSITION. AND CAPMETRO HAS BEEN HAS COME TO THE TABLE. IN MY FOUR YEARS ON THE BOARD, THEY'VE BEEN MORE THAN WILLING. THEY EVEN HAD APPRAISALS DONE AND EVERYTHING. BUT WE AS A CITY COULD NOT MAKE UP OUR MINDS ON WHAT WE WANTED TO DO OR IF WE WANTED TO DO. THEREFORE, IT'S SITTING IN A HOLDING PATTERN UNTIL LEANDER DECIDES HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE IT. SO ON THAT NOTE. WOULD THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED BASED ON CURRENT MARKET VALUES? WOULD THERE BE A POTENTIAL IN THAT NEGOTIATION TO LOOK AT, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, LIFETIME CONTRIBUTIONS TO CAPITAL METRO, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PAYING THE 1% SINCE 1985. CORRECT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CUMULATIVE VALUE OF OUR CONTRIBUTION FROM 85 TO 2025, THAT'S A THAT'S A PRETTY BIG NUMBER AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND I THINK IN MY OPINION, JUST FROM A PURELY SALES METHODOLOGY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN POINT TO AND SAY, HEY, NOT ONLY ARE WE STILL A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER, BUT WE'VE ALSO CONTRIBUTED X TO DATE, RIGHT? SO THEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAND VALUE AND YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT THAT WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE FROM A NEGOTIATION PERSPECTIVE TO USE THOSE AS LEVERAGE TO HELP US WITH WHATEVER DEAL WE MIGHT COME UP WITH. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THOSE ARE TALKING POINTS. THAT'S THE STORY THAT WE NEED TO BE TELLING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS IN THESE TRANSIT STUDIES, THERE'S A I THINK THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE DOING A STUDY FOR THE PROPOSAL ON RONALD REAGAN TO BE A TOLL, CORRECT. 183 HAS JUST COMPLETED ITS PROCESS OF EXPANSION. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER PIECE OR TWO ON THE 183 PROJECT. IF YOU INCLUDE THOSE TWO PROJECT WITH RAIL, THAT'S A THAT'S A NOW A TRANSIT CONVERSATION AND NOT A ROAD CONVERSATION. NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING TO THAT NEXT. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS AT A LARGER REGIONAL COUNTY, STATEWIDE LEVEL, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BRING INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. THOSE ARE TALKING POINTS, BECAUSE IF THE COUNTIES ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS REVENUE DRIVERS, THEN IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT'S MOST EFFECTIVE FOR THEM IN THE LONG RUN. RIGHT. AND I WOULD ARGUE JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT TO GET OFF TOPIC, BUT TO TOLL ROADS A MILE APART DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THOSE ARE TALKING POINTS I THINK THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RUSS I HAVE NOTHING. YOU'RE OUR OUR PANELIST EXPERT. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK REALLY QUICKLY TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT MAKING IT REGIONAL. I THINK I USED TO THINK COUNTY WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO, BUT I THINK NOW THE MPO, EVERY MAJOR AREA IN THE STATE, WELL AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS A METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION AND ITS ENTIRE FUNCTION IS TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. CAPMETRO IS A MEMBER OF OURS LIKE WE THROUGH CAMPO. THEY'RE FUNDED AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO OUR COUNTERPARTS IS YOU HAVE AN MPO THAT'S ALREADY LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION AND HOW PEOPLE MOVE AROUND. IT JUST MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO FALL UNDER THEIR PURVIEW BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE THE GROWTH IS, AND THEN YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE BURDEN ONTO COUNTIES THAT MIGHT NOT WANT TO PAY. I THINK IF WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING CRYSTAL CLEAR TO THE LEGISLATORS, INCLUDING WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, INSTEAD OF JUST THE PROBLEM, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THE KEY. IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN PEOPLE COME TO US, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMETHING, WE WANT TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. BUT IT GOES TO THE PILE OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT. BUT IF YOU COME WITH A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMETHING AND A SOLUTION THAT IS READY MADE, IT'S LIKE THE CLOUDS PART AND ANGELS START SINGING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TOO MUCH WORK FOR THIS. IT'S AN EASY THING TO GET DONE. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE WHERE WE GO. ANY FINAL THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? FOLLOW UP. COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. HERRERA I'D BE GOOD IF YOU COULD SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO HERE, BECAUSE WE I THINK WE DID MAKE SOME DECISIONS. SO I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON. AND THEN [01:10:05] I THINK THE ONLY DIRECTION REALLY WE'VE GIVEN IS TO GO FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING WITH CAPMETRO ON THE RAIL AND TO GO FORWARD WITH WORKING ON A COALITION. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MISSED? FROM STAFF POINT OF VIEW? NO, FROM COUNCIL POINT OF VIEW, I GUESS IT'S THE SLIDE UP THERE. WE'RE SAYING YES, YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 217. LET'S OPEN SESSION AT 2:38 P.M. UP NEXT IS WILLIAMSON COUNTY ROAD [ Williamson County Road Bond ProgramReview City of Leander ProjectsProjects Status UpdateBond Program ModificationsAgreements Between the County, City and StateCity and County Funding Commitments and Other Related Matters ] BOND PROGRAM. CITY MANAGER. PARDON? IT'S MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL RECALL, I THINK. OH, YOU'RE NOT CITY MANAGER. PARDON? OH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. RAVELL. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. AS YOU ALL WILL RECALL, I THINK IT WAS MAY 15TH. WE GAVE AN UPDATE RELATED TO THE COUNTY BOND ROAD PROJECTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THAT TIME. AND SO WE'LL FOCUS ON THAT AS WELL. OH, I'M SORRY. IF YOU MAY RECALL, THE HEREAWAY PROJECT, PHASE ONE, THE PROJECT LIMITS ACTUALLY GO FROM 183 A TO THE SOUTHWEST BYPASS. THAT ULTIMATE SECTION WILL EVENTUALLY BE TWO SETS OF FRONTAGE ROADS AS SHOWN. THAT WILL BE THREE LANES EACH, AND THEN ALSO TWO SETS OF TWO LANE OR MAIN LANE ROADS. SO WHEN THAT SEGMENT IS ULTIMATELY BUILT OUT, WHICH COULD BE 20 YEARS, 25 YEARS, A NUMBER OF YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S WHAT THAT ULTIMATE SEGMENT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR, FOR HEREAWAY. THAT SCHEMATIC IS JUST SHOWING AGAIN, THE LAYOUT. BASICALLY, THE GREENS REPRESENT THE FRONTAGE ROADS AND THEN THE IN BETWEEN COLORS. BETWEEN THE GREENS REPRESENTS THE TWO MAIN LANES. AND AGAIN THAT STRETCH WOULD GO FROM ONE US 183 A ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTHWEST BYPASS TO 235. PHASE ONE A, PHASE ONE A IS ALL OF HEREAWAY THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, WHICH WOULD BE FROM US 183 A TO GARY PARK AND IS SHOWN THERE ON THE MAP IN GREEN. SO THAT WOULD BE THE LIMITS WITHIN THE CITY OF LEANDER. AGAIN, THIS IS A COUNTY BOND ROAD FUNDED PROJECT. AS WE HAVE MENTIONED LAST TIME WE GAVE THIS PRESENTATION, THE COUNTY HAS COMMITTED TO BUILDING. THIS WOULD BE THE SEGMENT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS FIRST PHASE. IT WOULD BASICALLY BE ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND A CONTINUOUS TURN LANE THROUGH THE CITY LIMITS FROM 131 AGAIN FROM 183 A TO GARY PARK. AS A, I GUESS, POINT OF REFERENCE, WOULD THAT BE JUST VERY SIMILAR TO JOURNEY PARKWAY, THE WAY THAT ROADWAY IS FROM RONALD REAGAN TO 175? YEAH, YEAH. AND THIS IS A TYPICAL THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY. SO BASICALLY WHAT THE COUNTY PROJECT WOULD DO AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED AND WOULD BASICALLY JUST ADD A CENTER LANE FOR THAT ENTIRE STRETCH. AND SO AGAIN, WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS LAST TIME, WE ALL FELT LIKE THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR TRAFFIC DEMANDS CURRENTLY AND SURELY NOT INTO A PROJECT THAT MAY NOT HAVE A NEXT IMPROVEMENT TO 10 TO 15 YEARS FROM NOW. AND, AND I'VE GOT MORE SLIDES THAT WILL SPEAK ABOUT SOME OPTIONS THAT THE COUNTY IS OFFERING AND WILL MOST CERTAINLY NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL AS IT RELATES TO THOSE OPTIONS. BUT AS IT RELATES TO PHASE ONE, A JUST SOME MORE DETAILS. WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH THE LIMITS IN THE SCOPE. THERE IS THE PROJECT COST SHARE SET UP IS $13.9 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH A RIGHT OF WAY ISLA THAT WAS EXECUTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021. THOSE DOLLARS WERE TO BE AS IT RELATES TO LEANDER'S CONTRIBUTION, 25% HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID AS A PART OF THAT PROJECT. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, TO ASSIST AGAIN WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE COUNTY TOOK THE LEAD ON, I THINK THEY EVENTUALLY ENDED UP ACQUIRING, [01:15:02] WHAT, 60 TO $80 MILLION WORTH OF. I THINK THEY SAID IT WAS 100. OKAY, QUITE A BIT OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE COUNTY ACQUIRED THE NEXT POINT IN THE PROCESS WHERE THE CITY WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME FUNDING AVAILABLE IS AT THE TIME WHEN WE'RE READY TO EXECUTE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. AND RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY IS TELLING US THAT WOULD BE AROUND NOVEMBER OF 2025. THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IS EXECUTED. THE CITY HAS TO AGREE TO THE 100% DESIGNS. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE ILA WILL NEED TO BE EXECUTED BY BOTH ENTITIES. AND SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE THAT PAYMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED. BUT THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE IT WOULD BE AROUND NOVEMBER OF 2025. AND THEN WHEN IT'S 50% THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PAYMENT BY THE CITY OF 6.95 MILLION. THIS THIS FUNDING HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. AND SO IT IS AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS THIS, THIS PARTICULAR OBLIGATION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A SEPARATE ILA RELATED TO THE RELOCATION OF UTILITIES, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITIES. WE ESTIMATE THAT THE CITY'S COST WOULD BE ABOUT 5 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH, AGAIN, THIS THIS PROJECT THAT ILA IS STILL IN PROCESS. AND AS WE CONTINUE TO GET DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE. I'LL, I'LL I'LL APPROPRIATELY, PROJECT STATUS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THERE. I WANT TO GET INTO. A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. NUMBER ONE IS RELATED TO AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE CITY HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH TXDOT AS WELL AS WITH THE COUNTY, AS TO DOING A POSSIBLE SWAP. AND SO THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE BETWEEN THE CITY OF LEANDER AND TEX DOT, WHERE THE ROADWAY THAT'S IN GREEN WOULD THAT IS CURRENTLY TEX DOT RESPONSIBILITY WILL BECOME THE CITY OF LEANDER'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN THE ROADWAY EXTENT IN PURPLE, MAGENTA, PINK. WHATEVER YOUR COLOR CHOICE IS WOULD WOULD BECOME TEX DOT RESPONSIBILITY. AND THIS MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IS JUST THAT. IT'S SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE THE PARTIES WOULD BE AGREEING TO DO. THERE WOULD BE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE HERE, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME WORK TO DO THERE. AS YOU JUST FOR INSTANCE, IT'S HARD TO SEE IT ON THIS MAP. BUT EVEN THE ROADWAY SEGMENT THAT'S IN PURPL, PINK, MAGENTA, THAT SEGMENT IS NOT ALL THE CITY OF LEANDER, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PORTION OF THAT SEGMENT IS THE COUNTY AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MOU NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF COUNTY PARTICIPATION. MAYBE IT'S A THREE PARTY AGREEMENT, OR MAYBE THERE IS SOME SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE COUNTY HAS ACQUIRED COMES INTO POSSESSION OF THE CITY SO THAT THE CITY COULD EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH, WITH TEX DOT. SO THERE'S SOME TECHNICALITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED THROUGH. AND THEN ALSO IN ADDITION, THERE'S FURTHER EVALUATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ALONG 2243 OF THE GREEN STRETCH. WE NEED TO DO A MORE DETAILED EVALUATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES MAY BE, WHAT CHALLENGES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH CROSSES AND DRAINAGE. THAT WOULD MAY BE A PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S A SMALL ROADWAY, RIGHT? IT'S A IT'S A HEREAWAY RURAL ROADWAY. AND SO THE FUTURE RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH EXPANSION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ALL OF THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE EXAMINED AND WEIGHED OUT. SO ANYWAY, THAT MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IS IN PROCESS. BUT AS I SAID, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH. SORRY. REAL QUICK. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE 2243? SO. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A [01:20:01] NUMBER OF YEARS. AND SO AND THERE WERE PEOPLE IN PLACE PRIOR TO ANY OF THE FOLKS IN THIS ROOM. AND SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. AND MAYBE A THOROUGH ASSESSMENT DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE DONE. AND NOW THAT WE'RE HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT THAT MAY BE BE THE QUESTION THAT WE COME TO AND ARRIVE AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. SO WHO BROUGHT THAT PROPOSITION TO US THAT SWAPPING THE ROADWAYS, WAS THAT OUR IDEA TO THE COUNTY'S? I BELIEVE IT WAS TXDOT AND THE COUNTY, PROBABLY, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY ON THAT. I THINK IT WAS FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THE PINK PART, THE GREEN WOULD COME OFF SYSTEM FOR THEM. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE CONVERSATIONS STARTED. THIS IS MOU HAS BEEN HANGING OUT FOR AT LEAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, SO I IT'S JUST WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY ON WHERE THAT WHERE THAT CONVERSATION STARTED. SO IF IT'S OUR ROADWAY WE HAVE THE SAY. SO IF IT COMES OR TOLL LANES ARE ADDED TO THAT. CORRECT. IF IT MAINTAINS TO BE OUR ROADWAY, BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT BECOMES TEXAS ROADWAY. THE EXPANSION ADDING MAIN LANES TO THE FRONTAGE ROADS COULD ACTUALLY POSSIBLY BE TOLL LANES. OKAY. WELL, I THINK 2043 THOUGH, IT'S REALLY HARD TO WIDEN IT. ON ONE SIDE. YOU'VE GOT GOT BRUSHY CREEK, SO WE CAN'T WIDEN THAT WAY. AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES I THINK WOULD BE OKAY. BUT YOU'VE GOT A CEMETERY THAT ABUTS RIGHT AGAINST IT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T REALLY WANT THAT ROAD. THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH ROAD NO MATTER WHAT. YEAH, IT'D BE GREAT IF THEY EXPANDED THE INTERSECTION THOUGH. BUT THAT'S IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S STILL UNCLEAR TO EVEN IN THE COLOR IN THE LIGHT BLUE BABY BLUE, IT'S STILL UNCLEAR WHO WOULD HAVE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. CURRENTLY. THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE POSSESSION OF THE COUNTY. SO OUR UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE COUNTY. BUT ALL OF THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED THROUGH. SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE HAD THAT THE COUNTY HAD GOTTEN ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IF THEY GOT HAVE THEY BOUGHT ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER TO PUT THE HIGHWAY THROUGH AND EVERYTHING. SO EVERYTHING'S DEDICATED THERE? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. FOR THE ULTIMATE. YEAH. THEY'VE GOT IT FOR THE ULTIMATE. THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY WIDE. YEAH. YEAH, REALLY. I GUESS EVERYTHING WITHIN THE CONTENTS OF THE BLUE. YEAH. TEAL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. RAVEL. AND SO. SO SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY AND TEX DOT, WE HAD ASKED THEM TO REALLY COME FORWARD WITH A COUPLE OF MORE OPTIONS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THE EXISTING PROJECT THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH, WE DIDN'T BELIEVE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. AND SO THEY DID COME FORWARD WITH THREE OPTIONS THAT WERE SHARED WITH US. AND WE'LL KIND OF WALK THROUGH EACH ONE. OPTION ONE IF YOU LOOK AT BASICALLY THE PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO NOW IS BASICALLY WHAT'S IN GREEN IS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NOW WITH OPTION ONE DOES IS BASICALLY ADD IS THAT PURPLE OR BLUE? BLUE HATCHING SAVING CORNFLOWER LAVENDER. LAVENDER I LIKE LAVENDER. SO THE LOWER ROADWAY LAVENDER PURPLE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BLUE OKAY. BLUE IS FINE. WOULD BASICALLY ADD A LANE. AND SO BASICALLY THAT ONE WAY PAIR, THE GREEN WOULD HAVE THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC WITH TWO TWO LANES. AND THEN THE BLUE WOULD HAVE THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC WITH ONE LANE. AND SO THAT'S OPTION ONE IS BASICALLY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LANE. AND THAT WOULD GO THAT PAIR WOULD CONTINUE TO JUST BEYOND RATE OF THE NEW RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION OF ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH A CONTINUOUS TURN LANE. AND SO THAT WOULD JUST BASICALLY REPAVE WHAT'S THERE AND THEN ADD A LITTLE MORE TO THAT. UP DOWN ROAD. RIGHT. THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD. OKAY. YES. AND. ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH TITAN. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WIDENING AND PAVING IMPROVEMENTS FOR 270. AND PART OF THAT CONCEPT INCLUDED 270 ALL [01:25:01] THE WAY DOWN TO THE EXISTING HERO WAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO UNDER THIS CONCEPT IN THIS PROJECT PLAN, REACT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THINKING, OH GREAT, THIS IS LESS PAVEMENT FOR US TO WORRY ABOUT. BUT OUR POSITION IS GOING TO BE, NO, YOU STILL NEED TO MAKE THAT BECAUSE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, THE EXISTING HERO WAY IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO BE THERE, ACCESSIBLE AND USED. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND WHERE THIS ENDS, WHERE IT COMES TOGETHER AND IT GOES BACK TO THE COUNTY'S PLAN WHERE IT'S, IT'S JUST THE, THE CENTER LANE AND THEN ONE LANE EACH SIDE. ISN'T THAT SOMEWHERE NEAR THE HARMONY SCHOOL? YES. YES. IS IT. IT'S LIKE LIKE IS IT RIGHT WHERE IT. YEAH. IT'S LIKE RIGHT WHERE IT STARTS TO COME TOGETHER. THANK YOU. YES. AND SO, SO THE SO THIS IS ONE OPTION THAT THEY OFFER THE, THE IMPLICATIONS ARE REALLY PRETTY MUCH SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. THE COST THE ADDITIONAL COST WOULD BE $2.2 MILLION FOR THIS OPTION. AND THEN THE TIME ASSOCIATED WITH THE REDESIGN AND OBTAINING TEXTILE APPROVAL WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT MONTHS. IN TERMS OF PROJECT DURATION, THE COUNTY WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING THE ABILITY TO MOVE THEIR PROJECT IN GREEN FORWARD. WHILE WE WOULD BE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, AND THAT'S THE SAME WAY WITH ALL OF THE ALL OF THE OPTIONS. SO THESE OPTIONS WERE REALLY RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT STILL ALLOWS THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR ORIGINAL PROJECT. WHILE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRY TO ADD MORE CAPACITY TO DEAL WITH PRESENT NEEDS AND ANTICIPATED FUTURE NEEDS. SO IN THIS CASE, AND I GUESS IN THE OTHER ONES, THAT GAP BETWEEN THE TWO ROADS THAT END UP, WE END UP WITH WHAT GOES IN THE GAP. JUST GREENFIELD. YEAH. NOT MUCH. SO THE ULTIMATE PLAN IS THAT THESE ARE BASICALLY FRONTAGE ROADS. AND THAT MIDDLE PIECE IS IT WOULD LOOK SORT OF LIKE 183 A. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE GAP IS THERE IS JUST PRESERVING IT FOR THAT FUTURE PHASE THAT HAS NO FUNDING. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THAT LIGHTER GRAY COLOR KIND OF UNDERNEATH THE GREEN TO THE RIGHT. THAT'S THE OTHER FRONTAGE ROAD. SO IT WOULD KIND OF VEER OFF THAT WAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS THIS OPTION OKAY. OPTION TWO. BASICALLY IT WOULD EXTEND. AND THAT'S THE PURPLE MAGENTA WOULD EXTEND THE THAT ONE WAY PAIR A BIT FURTHER. BASICALLY NEAR TO. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE HARMONY SCHOOL. SO THAT COST WOULD BE ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $7 MILLION. IN THE ADDITIONAL TIME WOULD BE 18 TO 24 MONTHS. SO IN THAT OPTION AGAIN, THE GREEN AND THE PURPLE WOULD BASICALLY BE TWO LANES. AND THEN WHEN YOU GOT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SPLIT AND THEY CAME TOGETHER AGAIN, IT WOULD BE THAT ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND A CONTINUOUS LEFT. AND ALL OF THESE OPTIONS. WHAT IS THE THROWAWAY TERM IS THAT JUST FOR OVERAGES, CHANGE ORDERS, ETC? WELL, IT'S BASICALLY SAYING WITH A ROADWAY. SO ON THE PURPLE IF YOU'LL SEE IT KIND OF FOLLOWS THE GRAY ROA, AND THEN IT KIND OF VEERS OFF AND GOES BACK AND CONNECT TO THE GREEN WHERE THAT HATCHING IS. SO IT'S A TEMPORARY PAVEMENT TO KIND OF GET IT BACK UP. SO IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE ULTIMATE SECTION. SO IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE WHEN THAT FRONTAGE ROAD IS CONTINUED ALONG THE GRAY PATH THAT KIND OF HATCHED RIGHT THERE GOES AWAY. YEAH, YEAH. SO EVERYWHERE WE'RE DEVIATES FROM THE GRAY PATH, IT'S A THROWAWAY BECAUSE THAT'LL BE JUST A TEMPORARY CONNECTION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON OPTION TWO? OKAY THEN OPTION THREE WOULD ACTUALLY PROVIDE FOR THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION FROM US 183 TO REAGAN BOULEVARD. THAT'S THE MAIN THE MAIN DIFFERENCE THERE. AND THAT COST AND THE COST INFORMATION HAS ACTUALLY BEEN UPDATED BY THE COUNTY. THAT COST IS APPROXIMATELY 26.5 MILLION PLUS THE 1.5 MILLION, OR ABOUT 28 MILLION, AS OPPOSED TO THE NUMBERS THAT'S BEING SHOWN THERE. WHAT CAUSED THAT CHANGE? THEY THEY SENT US SOME MORE DETAIL. COST ESTIMATE. IT WAS THE SAME EDWIN THAT SHE SENT [01:30:01] YESTERDAY. I'M SORRY SHE SENT IT. LORETTA. RIGHT. HUM, HUM. CAN CAME TO LIKE 27.9 MILLION DANIELLE FORWARD THAT TO US. YES PLEASE. THANK YOU 27.9 WITH ESCALATION FOR 3.5. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THREE YEARS. IT'S THEY'RE JUST ESCALATING THE COST. YEAH. SO CONSTRUCTION TOTAL 20.6. CITY WATER LINE 1.5. SO IT HAS A COST ESCALATION FACTOR TO IT. SO THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE COST ESCALATION. BUT YES IT'S A BIT ABOUT ALMOST 28 MILLION. AND THAT IS INCLUDING THE 1.5 FOR THE UTILITY RELOCATION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND AGAIN PART OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TODAY IS JUST MAKE SURE, IF POSSIBLE, TO GET SOME CLARITY IN TERMS OF THE I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. SO BASICALLY THIS LAYOUT GETS US TO WHERE WE HAVE FRONTAGE ROAD GOING BOTH WAYS WITH SOMETHING BASICALLY RONALD REAGAN. RIGHT. AND THAT COULD BE THAT WAY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION. SO AND SO THAT COULD THAT COULD TIDE US OVER QUITE A WAYS. AND IF THE HIGHWAY NEVER GETS BUILT, WE'RE GOOD. AND SO THE TIME ESTIMATE ON THAT IS WHAT, 24 MONTHS FROM WHEN THEY BREAK GROUND IS THAT WITHIN TWO YEARS OR AND THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR ONE SIDE OF THE FRONTAGE AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE OTHER SIDE. IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS OR. YEAH. SO THIS THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING THEY WOULD CONSTRUCT THE GREEN PORTION AND THEY WOULD CONTINUE THAT PROJECT. BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN BLUE WOULD BE ON US. AND THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE THE THREE LANES. SO THE TO THE ESTIMATES REALLY WHEN THEY'LL GET THEIR PART DONE, NOT WHEN WE NECESSARILY WILL GET OUR PART DONE. THE ESTIMATED IS IF WE STARTED NOW WITH DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TO DO THE BLUE PART. THEIR PART IS GOING ALREADY. YEAH. THEIR PART IS MOVING. IT'S ABOUT TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE QUESTION I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST OPTION, THEY WERE ONLY BUILDING ONE LANE. CORRECT. AND WITH THE THIRD OPTION THEY WOULD BUILD THREE. AND THE FIRST OPTION THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD TWO TWO. AND SO IN THE THIRD OPTION THEY WOULD BUILD THREE. BUT THEY'RE ALREADY IN PROCESS RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SAID THE CENTER. SO THE CENTER TURN LANE GOES AWAY. ON THE THIRD OPTION IT BECOMES ITS OWN WESTBOUND FURNITURE OR WESTBOUND LANE. SO YOU STILL HAVE THREE LANES INSTEAD OF ONE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S OKAY. SO ON THESE OPTIONS, THE COUNTY HAS PROVIDED ALL THREE OF THESE OPTIONS. OR IS THIS CONVERSATION THAT HAS LED TO THESE THREE OPTIONS. IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY DRIVING WHAT WE CAN CHOOSE FROM OR DO WE HAVE ANY FACILITY TO ASK OR CHANGE ANY OF THIS. YEAH. SO THESE THE COUNTY IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS. BUT THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST. SO INITIALLY THEY PRESENTED TO US JUST THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WESTBOUND LANES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, THE CONTINUOUS LEFT TURN LANE. AND WE JUST SAID THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT. WE NEED MORE OPTIONS. AND SO THEY GOT WITH TXDOT AND THEN EVENTUALLY GOT WITH US AND LAID OUT THESE THREE OPTIONS. NOW THESE THREE OPTIONS, AS I SAID, THEY'RE OFFERED BECAUSE THEY THEY ALIGN WITH THE COUNTY'S PRIORITIES AND ULTIMATE GOAL. BUT BUT AGAIN IF, IF, IF WE BOUGHT INTO THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF HOW THIS COULD EVENTUALLY BE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. BUT THIS ALIGNS WITH THAT BECAUSE PART OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T PRESENT AN OPTION THAT UNNECESSARILY DELAYED THE PROJECT. OKAY, SO THIS FITS IN WITH THEIR LONG TERM PLANNING. YES. AND THEN THE COST ESTIMATES, THE 27 MILLION IS FOR THE SECTION THAT LEANDER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING FUNDING FOR. YES. BUT THE COUNTY WOULD STILL PROVIDE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS LIKE THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING IT. WE JUST PAY FOR IT. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION YET. SO THE COUNTY MOST CERTAINLY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT'S [01:35:02] IN GREEN, THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT'S IN BLUE. THE CITY COULD VERY WELL DECIDE TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY'RE RELATED PROJECTS AND TO SOME EXTENT CONNECTED TO THE SAME PURPOSE, THEY CAN BE TREATED SEPARATELY. WOULD THERE BE EFFICIENCIES IN EXPANDING THEIR CURRENT CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS WITH WHOEVER'S OUT THERE NOW? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER WAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE WOULD THAT DOES THAT MAYBE FIND US SOME COST EFFICIENCIES IF WE SAY, OKAY, HEY, YEAH, WE'LL DO THIS, BUT USE THE SAME GROUP AND LET'S JUST KIND OF CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. THERE COULD BE. BUT I WILL SAY PROBABLY IN THE MOST IDEAL SENSE, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE UP FRONT? AND YES, I WOULD SEE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY FOR SAVINGS. BUT SINCE THE COUNTY IS JUST ABOUT ALMOST FINISHED WITH THE DESIGN FOR THEIR PROJECT, IF YOU TRY TO INCORPORATE THIS WITHIN IT, THAT THEIR PROJECT THAT THEY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN QUICKLY WOULD NOT HAPPEN QUICKLY. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE EXCHANGING TIME FOR SO THEY COULD PROCEED AS BECAUSE NONE OF THEIR NONE OF THEIR PLANS REALLY CHANGE WITH A SLIGHT A SLIGHT VARIATION HERE. RIGHT. OTHERWISE IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PROJECT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH REGARDLESS OF OPTION ONE, 2 OR 3 FOR THEM. YES, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PROJECT. ULTIMATELY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE THROWAWAYS. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY THEY CALL OUT THE THROWAWAY. SO IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING HERE, THEN THE ONLY THE MY POINT IS THEY'RE ALREADY SHOWING SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE. SO I'M WONDERING HOW FAR THAT FLEXIBILITY GOES. RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOOTING THE BILL FOR DESIGN ETCETERA, ETCETERA, SO FORTH AND SO ON, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN IF WE'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO THIS AND WE'LL PAY FOR IT, RIGHT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THEIR PROJECT FORWARD WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT DELAYS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR REQUESTS FOR TRYING TO ADD CAPACITY TO A ROADWAY THAT WE BELIEVE THEIR PROJECT WOULD NOT SUFFICIENTLY ADDRESS. SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE BACKGROUND ON THIS. WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PLAN WITH THE EYEBROW IN LIKE NOVEMBER. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM SINCE OF WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? RIGHT. SO WE ASKED IF WE COULD CHANGE SOME OF IT. AND THAT'S WHERE THE THREE OPTIONS CAME FROM. THERE'S NOTHING SET IN STONE ABOUT HOW IT WOULD WORK. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR FROM US RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, WHAT OUR TOLERANCE IS. ARE WE INTERESTED IN HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT SPENDING 20 SOMETHING MILLION AND DOING THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT, OR ARE WE HESITANT? AND WE ONLY WANT TO DO 2 MILLION AND JUST PAVE THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION. THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO IN. BUT THEY DID SAY TO US THOUGH, IS THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR DESIGN FIRM THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS. AND SO THE DESIGN WOULD JUST GO TO THEM BECAUSE IT WOULD KIND OF EXPEDITE IT. BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING AS FAR AS FLEXIBILITY. THESE PLANS ALREADY EXIST. THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE. SO IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN THAT FOOTPRINT, THAT REALLY WOULD SEND IT BACK THROUGH ALL OF THESE STATE AND FEDERAL PROCESSES THAT COULD SLOW THINGS DOWN, I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING ONE OTHER THING. OH, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CONTRACT SAYS FOR CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR AN ADDITIONAL PHASE OR NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP ONCE WE GIVE THEM DIRECTION OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO. OKAY, SO YOU'RE ANSWERING MY QUESTION. SO THOSE QUESTIONS WOULD BE ANSWERED IN RESPONSE TO OUR DIRECTION. YEAH. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OUR TOLERANCE WAS. THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. THANK YOU. SURE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO BY US BUILDING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD. SO THAT TAKES AWAY THEM FROM HAVING TO BUILD IT LATER. RIGHT. AND SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO THEIR PROJECT, WE BASICALLY PAID FOR $20 MILLION OF THEIR PROJECT, WHICH MIGHT BE 40 MILLION AT THAT TIME. RIGHT. AND SO IT WOULD SAVE THEM MONEY IN THE LONG RUN BY US ACTUALLY TAKING ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS. DO YOU THINK THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING CONCESSIONS FROM THEM IN FUTURE PROJECTS, MAYBE TO LAYER IN THAT FUNDING INTO FUTURE PROJECTS WITH THE COUNTY TO DO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WANT BY TAKING ON PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS PART? I THINK THAT'S MOST CERTAINLY WORTH A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY. I'M NOT FOR CERTAIN THAT IT WAS THAT IT'S BEEN DECIDED WHO WOULD PAY FOR A SUBSEQUENT PHASE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IF IT'S DONE, IF THIS PHASE IS DONE NOW, IN IN IN THE BLUE, THE TEAL, IF THAT'S DONE NOW, THAT SURELY COULD SAVE MONEY FOR IF IT'S DONE LATER. AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MOST CERTAINLY A [01:40:04] PLUS. BUT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUBSEQUENT PHASE. I WILL SAY IN OUR LAST JOINT MEETING THEY DID SAY IT WOULD EITHER BE A TXDOT OR AN RMA PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT THEY CONTEMPLATED FOR THE MAIN LANES. NO, NOT NOT THE COUNTY. AND. AND THE DESIGN FOR THIS IS REALLY BEING FUNDED I BELIEVE THROUGH CAMPO. SO IS THERE A CAMPO DOLLARS THAT WERE ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE DESIGN OF FUNDING. SO IT'S ALL UNDER THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE GOING BACK TO THEIR DESIGN FIRM THEN TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR CHANGES IN THE SCALE AND SCOPING OF THIS. BUT THERE ARE SOME COST EFFICIENCIES TO DOING THIS NOW AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT HALFWAY, COMING BACK IN FIVE YEARS JUST WITH INFLATIONARY COSTS AND ALL THAT STUFF. I MEAN, YOU'RE 20 MILLION TODAY IS PROBABLY 40,000,000 IN 5 YEARS FOR HALF OF THE WORK, RIGHT? IS THAT FAIR? SO YOU'RE WE'RE IN AN IN-BETWEEN STAGE, RIGHT. SO WE GOT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED PHASE ONE IS BUILDING NOT ENOUGH STREET. AND NOW THIS OPTION IS BUILDING WAY MORE STREET THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY PROBABLY BUILD. AT THIS POINT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THREW OUT WAS CAN WE NOT INCREASE THE PAVEMENT WIDTH OF WHAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED IN THAT FIRST PHASE AS A FOURTH KIND OF ALTERNATIVE? THERE'S A RELUCTANCE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DELAY THE PHASE ONE PIECE, YOU KNOW, UPWARDS TO ANOTHER 24 MONTHS. PLUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WERE REPORTING BACK TO US IS THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT THEY DID INCLUDED THE HIGHWAY ALIGNMENT, NOT THE ADDITIONAL FOUR LANE VERSUS THE THREE LANE SECTION THAT'S THERE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TIME AND COST POTENTIALLY DELAYS THERE. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S GOING TO BE RETICENCE AND HAS BEEN RELUCTANCE TO LOOK AT CHANGING THE THREE LANE SECTION TO MAYBE A FOUR LANE SECTION OR A FOUR LANE WITH INTERMITTENT TURN BAY. I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT THE COSTS ARE ONLY GOING TO GO UP. SO IS OUR OUR POPULATION AND THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE OVERBUILDING. I THINK IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THIS PROJECT DANGLING OUT FROM THE COUNTY FOR THE LAST DECADE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING I THINK COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TAKEN ON BEFORE SAN GABRIEL, BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS ONE OF OUR BIG EAST WEST CORRIDORS BEFORE SAN GABRIEL. I THINK. I THINK THREE IS A GOOD OPTION. I AGREE, I THINK THREE IS THE BEST OPTION FOR US KNOWING WITH TITAN COMING IN, WE ALREADY HAVE THE HARMONY SCHOOL. WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT THAT'S GOING TO BRING. PLUS ALL THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERE WAY IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED, SO I THINK WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE INCREASING TRAFFIC. AND I THINK BY THE TIME THIS ROADWAY IS FINISHED, WE DIDN'T OVERBUILD IT BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING. AND I HAVE ZERO FAITH THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE FUNDING FOR THIS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I JUST I JUST WANT TO ECHO THAT. AND THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE COMING IN THERE IS RIGHT AWAY. AND SO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO START MOVING MORE PEOPLE UP ARTERIAL. IT WILL RELIEVE PRESSURE FROM 2243. AND IT DOES GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS RELATED TO MAYBE CHANGING THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE NOT MAKING IT SO SUCH A HEAVY TRAFFIC ITEM AND SOME SOME TRAFFIC SMOOTHING COOLING OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERMS ARE, MAKE PEOPLE DRIVE SLOWER AND THINGS. BUT I DO THINK THAT CALMING. THERE WE GO. BUT I DO THINK I, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO BECAUSE WE KNOW WE KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO POP UP HERE IN THE THERE'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THAT CENTER SECTION THERE, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IN THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT OF THERE. AND, AND WE ALSO KNOW IT'S THE ONLY WAY REALLY OVER TO, TO 35. AND PEOPLE HAVE A NEED A WAY TO GET THERE. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF WHICH I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT MAKES US MORE ATTRACTIVE, I THINK, TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES WE WANT TO GET, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR YEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH TRUCKS NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE A DIRECT ROUTE THAT'S BEEN HOLDING US BACK. SO THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. GREAT. HURTS. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY AGAINST OPTION THREE? OKAY I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS OKAY. AND I WILL SAY AS WE PROMISED LAST TIME, WE ARE DOING A LEVEL OF SERVICE ANALYSIS. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED, YOU KNOW, QUALITATIVELY AND INTUITIVELY INTUITIVELY WHAT WE THINK MAY BE, BUT WE WILL HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE ANALYSIS THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT OPTION THREE WOULD YIELD IN TERMS OF MEETING TRAFFIC DEMAND. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND. SO THE 2243 COMPONENT. THAT'LL BE PART BECAUSE THERE'S AN MOU THAT [01:45:07] NEEDS TO BE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE CITY AND TEXDOT. AND THAT IS THE ENTITY OR THE INSTRUMENT THAT'S CALLING FOR THAT SWAP OF THE ROADWAY SECTIONS THERE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TEXDOT WILL BE DOING IS A SYSTEMS EVALUATION, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT ACCEPT A ROADWAY THAT WILL OTHERWISE INCREASE THEIR COST OR OR FISCAL EXPOSURE. SO THEY'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS REFERRING TO ABOUT US EVALUATING 2043. THAT'S THEIR I MEAN, ARE WE ABLE TO SAY THE SAME THING BECAUSE THAT 2243 IS GOING TO BE A COST TO KEEP IT UP? WELL, THAT THAT AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW, WE AS STAFF, WE HAVE A BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO A DETERMINATION THAT TEXDOT WOULD TAKE OVER THIS SECTION OUTSIDE OF MAYBE IT WAS A CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUILD UP TO THESE LIMITED LANE CAPACITIES. WE NEED TO START TO BUILD THE REST. AND TEXDOT PROBABLY CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS OTHER ARRANGEMENT. SO THAT MAY BE A LYNCHPIN ISSUE. IT JUST MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE A CHOICE IF WE WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT THIS WAY. THE KEY THING FOR US WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT ROADWAY SECTION. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST EXPOSURES ARE THERE BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY TAKEN A STEP BACK TO REALLY EVALUATE WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT THAT COST IMPLICATION OR, OR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT IS GOING TO BE AS WE LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENT. SO SINCE TEXDOT IS PUTTING SOME OR THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESTRICTIONS OR WE WANT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS IN THE MOU TO SAY YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY OF YOUR WAY TOLL LANES AND THAT MOU. I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY. I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION, SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT, I GUESS A DISCUSSION WORTH HAVING. OKAY. THE NEXT PROJECT IS EAST CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS, IF YOU WILL RECALL, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY LEADING THIS PROJECT AND THE COUNTY IS BEING A PARTNER WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. THIS WOULD PROVIDE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD AND VISIT COUNTY ROAD 175. IT'S ABOUT A ONE MILE STRETCH. THIS ALSO WOULD BE THAT ROADWAY THAT WOULD KIND OF DEAL WITH THE LOW WATER CROSSING CONCERN AS WELL, THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF COST SHARE, NONE OF THAT'S CHANGED. WE'VE ALSO GOT UPDATED INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY ARE STILL WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AT THE LEVEL OF 7.5 MILLION THAT WILL GO TOWARD RIGHT OF WAY AND DESIGN. THE CITY WOULD ALSO HAVE 2.5 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY AND DESIGN COSTS. WE ARE STARTING SOME OF OUR EARLY EFFORTS. AS NOTED THERE, WE'RE PLANNING FOR JULY 10TH TO RELEASE RFQ SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING AND TRY TO WORK TOWARD ENGAGING DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE PROJECT. WE'RE HOPEFUL WE CAN HAVE THINGS CONTRACTED BY DECEMBER. AGAIN, WE ESTIMATE THAT COST MAY BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF TO $3 MILLION. THAT MONEY IS NOT NECESSARILY ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT, SO WE'LL NEED TO WORK WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM TO MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY THAT AND DEAL WITH THAT APPROPRIATELY. AND THEN THERE'S A SIMILAR STRUCTURE IN THE IN THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AS TO WHEN THEY WOULD DELIVER THEIR 7.5 MILLION. IT'S GOING TO BE OVER IN 25% TRANCHES, I BELIEVE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. ANY QUESTIONS ON CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY, THE ULTIMATE COST BE ABOUT 50 MILLION. SO ON THE RIGHT OF WAY PART, WHEN WOULD WE WHEN WE HAVEN'T ACCUMULATED ANY OF THAT YET? RIGHT. NOTHING'S BEEN DONE ON THAT. SO THIS IS AN ESTIMATE. SO ONCE WE ACTUALLY GO TO MARKET WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT IT'S REALLY GOING TO COST AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THE REASON THIS ONE IS SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IS BECAUSE OF THE I LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NOT JUST THE BRIDGE, THERE'S A LARGE BRIDGE. THERE'S A LARGE ONE FOR SURE. ABSOLUTELY. HOW BIG, EMILY, YOU KNOW. VERY WIDE. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG BRIDGE. YEAH. YEAH, IT'S PRETTY LONG FOR SURE. SO THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY [01:50:02] MUCH OUR IDENTIFIED PATH. THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS DONE THREE. PATHS OR ALIGNMENTS WERE EVALUATED IN THIS ALIGNMENT WAS CHOSEN AS THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE IN TERMS OF COST RIGHT OF WAY COST OF WHAT WE THINK THAT MAY BE. IT KIND OF IT KIND OF LINED IT UP WITH THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS. AND THEN ALSO, IF YOU ALL RECALL, THERE ARE TWO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S HAPPENING HERE TOO. SO IT KIND OF TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL. WHERE ARE THE I'M SORRY, WHERE ARE THOSE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS IN RELATION TO LIKE THE BRIDGING AREA I SUPPOSE, JUST SO I CAN GET SOME. YEAH. LANDING KIND OF UNDER THE L OF PRELIMINARY. SO THAT'S LONE STAR LANDING AND THEN WILD SPRINGS IS OFF TO THE RIGHT AT COUNTY ROAD 275 AND LOOKS TO BE FUTURE CRYSTAL FALLS. AND SO INITIALLY FOR CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY IT WOULD BE A FOUR LANE AND THEN ULTIMATELY A SIX LANE. SO THAT WILL MORE THAN REPLACE THAT LOW WATER CROSSING ROADWAY. NOW IN TERMS OF CAPACITY. ON THAT ROAD, I WON'T SPEND A TON OF TIME ON THIS BECAUSE THE COUNTY DO. THE FUNDING HAS DECIDED THAT THE MONEY THAT THEY DID A LOT FOR THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO GO TOWARD THEIR BAD DEBT ROAD PROJECT THAT THEY'RE DOING IN LIBERTY HILL. SO THE ONLY FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT NOW FROM THE COUNTY IS THE 1.5 MILLION FOR DESIGN THAT'S NOTED HERE. AND SO THEY'RE AT A POINT IN THE PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE READY TO ENGAGE A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL. THEY'RE GOING TO DO 1.5. THEY WANTED US TO DO 1.5 IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, SINCE THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE FUNDING TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, WE PRETTY MUCH SAID TO THEM THAT WE HAD RATHER THEIR FUNDING THAT THEY WOULD DEDICATE TO DESIGN HERE, GO TO ANOTHER PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE BOND PROGRAM. WE INITIALLY HAD SAID, WHAT ABOUT HERE AWAY? BUT THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT BOND PROGRAMS. AND BUT CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE A CANDIDATE. AND THEN COUNTY ROAD 175 WOULD BE A CANDIDATE FOR THE REALLOCATION OF THE COUNTY FUNDS AT 1.5 MILLION TO IN ADDITION TO THOSE PROJECTS. SO WE'VE PUT THAT REQUEST OUT TO THE COUNTY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'LL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH THOSE WHO MAKE THE DECISION AND LET US KNOW. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. SO I LIVE ALONG THIS PORTION HERE. I'M ON BAGHDAD, I'M IN MOCKINGBIRD PARK, AND IS THIS THE PORTION THAT GOES INTO LIBERTY HILL DOWNTOWN? YES, I THINK I'VE SEEN THAT. IT'S EXPANDED OUT TO TWO LANES. THEY'VE STARTED WIDENING THE ROAD, AND THEY'RE STOPPED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S THEY'VE STOPPED FUNDING FOR THIS PORTION. SO THE NORTHERN PART NORTH OF 281, THE COUNTY STARTED ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY CLEARING SO THAT THAT PROJECT IS. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT REALLY WIDE OUT THAT WAY. SO FROM 281 INTO LIBERTY HILL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THAT THREE LANE SECTION. SO THAT WAS AN OLDER BOND PROJECT FOR THEM. BUT THIS SECTION WOULD BE THE LEANDER SECTION. AND YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE PAUSING ON. OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. AND AT WHAT THE LIBERTY HILL CITY LIMIT. COUNTY ROAD 281. YEAH. OUR CITY LIMIT. YES. THEN COUNTY ROAD 175. PROJECT LIMITS REALLY JUST NORTH OF JOURNEY PARKWAY UP TO 2243. THE PROJECT WOULD BASICALLY CONVERT A TWO LANE RURAL ROAD TO A FOUR LANE URBAN SECTION. IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT, URBAN. CHARACTER, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE ABOUT $10 MILLION AND SOME OF THAT WOULD ALSO. AND THEN IN ADDITION, THERE WOULD BE RELOCATION OF CITY UTILITIES. A LOT OF THAT $10 MILLION IS RELATED TO LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE PLANNED ALONG THE WAY. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME SIDEWALKS. BUT WE'VE ASKED THE COUNTY TO LIMIT THE SIDEWALK COST TO JUST WHERE MAYBE THERE'S DEVELOPED SECTIONS, BUT WHERE THERE'S UNDEVELOPED SECTIONS. WE'VE ASKED THEM NOT TO INCLUDE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THIS PROJECT, AS NOTED, THE DESIGN IS UNDERWAY, IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY SUMMER OF 26. THE IOLA AND THE SAME THING FOR CRYSTAL FALLS. BY THE WAY, THE IOLA IS STILL IN [01:55:03] PROCESS. ALL OF THESE ARE STILL MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND THEN IF ALL GOES WELL, THIS PROJECT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY 2028. I THINK THE COUNTY'S CONTRIBUTION ON THIS IS ABOUT 2030 MILLION. DO YOU REMEMBER THE QUESTION? I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE OVERALL COST ESTIMATE. DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T REMEMBER A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE OUR INITIAL CONTRIBUTION WAS WAS ZERO. THIS WAS A TOTAL COUNTY PROJECT, BUT AT OUR REQUEST TO MAKE IT AN URBAN SECTION, THAT'S WHERE OUR COST CONTRIBUTION. SO WE DIDN'T I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE COST ESTIMATE. I THINK IT'S I THINK I SAW ABOUT 20, 30 MILLION. I THINK THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. OH, SO THAT KIND OF DEALS WITH WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE LIGHTING. THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT. THIS CITY WOULD BE TAKING WOULD AGREE TO TAKE ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS SECTION THAT'S BEING BUILT. AND THEN ALSO THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, THAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THAT ONE. IS THAT A PROCESS, A POINT IN THE PROCESS WHERE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT TWO LANES, AT LEAST FOR THE EXTENT OF THEIR PROPERTY? SO THAT WILL ALLOW SOME OF THAT KR175 TO BE ACTUALLY DEVELOP AT LEAST TWO LANES ANYWAY. I WOULD NOTE THAT THE PORTION I THINK IT'S ON THE NEXT. OH YEAH. YEAH, THE PORTION THAT CIRCLE IS NOT IN, IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND THEN THE PORTION THAT KIND OF LIKE MAKES IT A RIGHT ANGLE IF YOU, IF YOU GO ON THE CIRCLE AND THEN KIND OF TURN, IF YOU WILL, TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND YOU SEE THE, I GUESS IT'S THE HASH OR THE DASH PURPLE. THAT PORTION THERE IS NOT WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS. AND THAT'S A CONCERN BECAUSE THE SCHOOL PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO IT. AND SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL LEADERSHIP. AND THEY HAD THOUGHT THAT THAT SEGMENT WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS IN THE COUNTY PROJECT. I THINK THEY HAD EVEN DESIGNATED SOME MONEY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE NOW. THE COUNTY MADE THE DECISION TO GO WITH THIS, THIS REROUTE. BUT I KNOW WITH RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH ELLIS AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THAT, I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT MIGHT SHOW. YEAH. AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE CHIEF CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY. REPEAT. AND RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT SEGMENT LOOKS THAT'S SHOWING YOU THE EXISTING COUNTY ROAD. 175 THAT PICTURE THERE IS VERY EERILY SIMILAR TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A HOT SPOT. AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY PROJECT, IT'S GOT TO BE INCLUDED IN SOME PROJECT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS. SO OKAY, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT RIPS RIPS AND WRAPS. SURE. RIGHT. AND THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD HOMES OR THIS OR THAT, YOU HAVE TO PAY MONEY. BUT IF YOU'RE COMMERCIAL, NOT SO MUCH. BUT IF YOU'RE A SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU DON'T. BUT THIS IS LIKE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THEIR OWN ROAD. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT $750 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, AND WE'RE EXPECTED TO PUT THE ROAD IN AND, AND PUSH ALL OUR PROJECTS AROUND. I JUST KIND OF AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THIS IS THE BENEFIT TO THEM. THE OTHER PART BENEFITS THE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT AREA AND EVERYTHING. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT. SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A LAND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH US. AND PART OF THAT AGREEMENT THEY HAVE TO DO A TIA AND PARTICIPATING ROADS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ROADWAY IMPACT FEE, IT'S BUILDING ROADS AND PARTICIPATING ROADWAY ACCURACY. WE'LL GET MORE THAN $50,000 OR SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH. BUT BUT CLARIFICATION ON THAT. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD VOTED TO CONTRIBUTE, I THINK A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS THE 175 PROJECT. AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT HAD 175. MAINTAINING ITS CURRENT ALIGNMENT IS WHAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THE ALIGNMENT SWITCHING AND TAKING THAT ROAD OFF THEIR PROPERTY NOW IS BEGINNING. THAT'S BEGINNING TO BEG. THE QUESTION FOR THEM IS LIKE, WELL THEN HOLD ON, WE SHOULDN'T BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PROJECT BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT OR THINK ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE OLD 175 ALIGNMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BE ENGAGED IN ON [02:00:04] THIS MOVING FORWARD. WAS THEIR RATIONALE FOR MAKING THE CHANGE. LIKE WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE IF THAT WAS A CONSIDERED ORIGINAL PLAN, WHY DID THEY CHANGE IT? IT WAS THE CONNECTION TO HEREAWAY. SO THAT FUTURE HEREAWAY SECTION THAT THE COUNTY IS CONSTRUCTING IS THAT DASHED RED UP THERE? IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL. I'M SORRY. IT'S WHERE THE BLACK KIND OF SORRY, I WISH I HAD A POINTER. 2243 IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DEAD END UP THERE, RIGHT? YES IT WILL. SO THE ROAD THAT'S GOING UP THERE IS GOING TO DEAD END, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO PICK UP WHERE 2243 WAS. AND SO YOU WON'T HAVE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUSH THE TRAFFIC INTO THE DEAD END AREA I GUESS. I THINK IT'S ALSO THE INTERSECTION, RIGHT, THAT THEY WANT THAT MORE OF A T INTERSECTION. SO YOU CAN GET WHERE IT VEERS TO THE RIGHT, THE PURPLE DASH. AND THEN THERE'S A BLACK DOT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SIGNAL IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN THE RED HASH IS FUTURE HEREAWAY. OKAY. SO THE SO THE RED COMING ACROSS THROUGH THE DOT IS FUTURE HEREAWAY. CORRECT. IS THAT FUTURE HEREAWAY THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THAT SECTION OF HEREAWAY FROM REAGAN BACK TO GARY PARK GOING BACK EAST, THAT'S THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT THE COUNTY WOULD DO UNDER THE HIGHWAY PROJECT. AND THEN THAT CURRENT INTERSECTION WHERE WHERE 175 COMES IN TO 2243 TODAY IS VERY DANGEROUS. SO IT'S AN OBLIQUE ANGLE AND THERE'S NO VISIBILITY FOR TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING WESTBOUND. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTS THAT ARE THERE. AND THEN THAT ALIGNMENT ALSO GENERALLY FOLLOWS, I THINK THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN ALIGNMENT FOR REALIGNMENT THAT INTERSECTION. OKAY. OKAY. AND FOR THE MOST PART, WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THESE. AND THERE WILL BE MORE CONVERSATIONS LATER ABOUT THE LAST BULLET. SO I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE OR I'LL GO BACK TO THE SLIDE. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY JUST FOR AN OVERVIEW, LIKE PUT ALL THESE PROJECTS INTO ONE THING LIKE HERE'S AND THEN THE COST OBVIOUSLY LIKE TOTAL COSTS FOR ALL OF THESE. AND THEY ALL BASICALLY RUN ANNUALIZED ALONG THE RIGHT ALONG THE SAME TRACKS. SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YES. THANK YOU. DID YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US. DID WE COVER EVERYTHING? I BELIEVE WE DID. WE DEALT WITH THE OPTION. WE'LL STILL HAVE THE CONVERSATION REGARDING THE MOU AND TRY TO WORK OUT SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S GOOD COUNSEL. DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS [ City of Leander Roadway Expansion and ConnectivityCorridors of EmphasisSignalizationIntersections of ConcernFuture Evaluation Process ] BE BACK IN OPEN SESSION AT 3:42 P.M. UP NEXT IS CITY OF LEANDER. ROADWAY EXPANSION AND CONNECTIVITY. WHO'S GOT THIS? IT'S ME. SO A LOT OF THESE CORRIDORS WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HEREAWAY BEING A BIG ONE. WITH THE EXPANSION UNDERWAY BETWEEN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THEN CITY OF LEANDER CONSTRUCTION, RONALD REAGAN OBVIOUSLY IS ANOTHER CORRIDOR THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS A AS A ONE OF EMPHASIS. LISTED UP. THERE ARE THE TOP FOUR PROJECTS THAT HAVE KIND OF ROSE TO THE TOP WITH OUR CIP RANKINGS. THAT ALL CAME OUT OF THE REAGAN CORRIDOR STUDY. SO THE FIRST ONE BEING A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE AT KAUFMAN JOURNEY PARKWAY, ADDING A DUAL LEFT TURN AND THEN A NORTHBOUND SLIP LANE TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. AND THEN A COUPLE OF THOSE CONTINUOUS GREENS. SO THIS IS WHERE THE TRAFFIC IN ONE DIRECTION WOULD STAY GREEN. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE KIND OF A SMALLER LEVEL SIGNAL TO ALLOW THAT LEFT TURN TRAFFIC. I WISH I HAD A PICTURE. SO. SO IT ALLOWS KIND OF FREE FLOW IN ONE DIRECTION AND REALLY IS ONLY STOPPING. SO EACH OF THOSE IS AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION. SO I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IS WHICH, BUT ONE OF THEM ALLOWS FREE FLOW NORTHBOUND AND THEN ALLOWS AT GRAND LAKE OR SARITA VALLEY FOR FOLKS TO KIND OF TURN INTO A BAY. MAYBE EMILY CAN HELP ME EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT AND THEN THEY WOULD SIT AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT TO MAKE THAT CROSS ACROSS REAGAN. AND SO IT WOULD ONLY STOP THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC OCCASIONALLY TO LET THOSE CARS TURN. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTERIM BETWEEN A FULL TRAFFIC SIGNAL BUT ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT SAFER OR A LOT SAFER TURNING MOVEMENTS THAN NOTHING AT ALL. THE OTHER [02:05:07] CORRIDORS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TODAY, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT, IS SAN GABRIEL PHASE TWO IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AT 6.9 MILLION. WE'RE CALLING PHASE TWO B WOULD BE TO ADD THOSE OTHER TWO LANES TO THAT SECTION BETWEEN PALMYRA AND REAGAN. SO THAT'S ANOTHER 5.2 MILLION. AND THEN PHASE THREE IS PALMYRA COUNTY ROAD 270. AND THAT WOULD BE THE FULL FOUR LANES. AND THEN FROM 270 TO 183 A. SO THAT WOULD GET YOU YOUR COMPLETE CONNECTION FROM 183 A OVER TO REAGAN WITH FOUR LANES. WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT IS THAT WHAT WE CALL THE WEST SIDE. SO THAT WOULD BE FROM 183 183. SO IT'S CURRENTLY IN A TWO LANE CONFIGURATION. SO IT WOULD BE EXPANDING THAT TO FOUR. SO YOU'D HAVE THE FULL FOUR LANES ALL THE WAY FROM 183 TO RONALD REAGAN. CRYSTAL FALLS PARKWAY WE TALKED ABOUT IS WITH THE COUNTY PROJECT. SO WE'RE UNDERWAY WITH DESIGN OR WILL BE SHORTLY TO CONSTRUCT FOUR LANES OF THE ULTIMATE SIX LANE SECTION. WE JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MAJOR CORRIDORS OR AREAS OF EMPHASIS THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD LIKE TO BE FOCUSING ON FOR WIDENING AND EXPANSION. CORRECT. COUNCIL. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. ALL OF THESE REVENUE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THIS IS ALREADY FUNDED ALREADY KNOW. SO THESE ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE FUNDED. IS PHASE TWO UP THERE AT 6.9 MILLION. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ALLOCATION FOR CRYSTAL FALLS. THE ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN AND RIGHT OF WAY YET. THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. COULD COULD WE JUST AND JUST JUST AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE POINT. CAN WE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION IN LIKE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE JUST SO WE KNOW, HEY THIS IS ALREADY THIS IS ALREADY ALLOCATED. THIS IS NOT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO POTENTIALLY WIDEN BAGHDAD? I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. I MEAN, OUR CORRIDOR THOROUGHFARE MASTER PLAN DOES CALL FOR THAT EVENTUALLY. I THINK IT'S A SIX LANE. RIGHT, EMILY? IT'S A SIX LANE. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE THOSE THREE LANES IN THE INTERIM. WE'VE KIND OF WIDENED IT UP TO COLLABORATIVE THAT AREA. SO IT WOULD BE NORTH OR IS IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO CALGARY, GOES TO SAN GABRIEL. AND IT PLAYS OUT. SO IT'S IN OUR MASTER PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT IDENTIFIED WHEN THAT WOULD, WOULD THAT WOULD OCCUR. GOTCHA. AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION ALONG BAGHDAD BY WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH HERO WAY AND ALSO SAN GABRIEL, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNINGS WHEN FOLKS ARE GOING TO WORK, AND THEN ALSO LEAVING AND ENTERING SCHOOL. RIGHT. WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK THAT 280 INTERSECTION, AND I THINK IT'S IN A LATER SLIDE. HERE IS ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN FOR US TOO, JUST BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ON THE WEST SIDE THERE. SO WE'LL GET TO KIND OF INTERSECTIONS OF CONCERN THAT WE HAVE, AS WELL AS A QUESTION, WE DID SOME COS I THINK IT WAS MAY OF LAST YEAR FOR THE ARMY AND SOME ROADWAY PROJECTS, AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT FUNDED ALL OF PHASE TWO FOR SAN GABRIEL. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT FUNDED THE ADDITIONAL TWO LANES. WE FUND THAT OUT. YEAH. IT, IT IT DIDN'T FUND IT FUNDED. THERE'S LIKE A FOUR LANE ACCESS AT REAGAN. IT NARROWS DOWN TO TWO LANES AND IT WIDENS BACK OUT TO FOUR. BUT THERE'S AN INTERIM TWO LANES WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT PROJECT. SO WE HAVEN'T DEFINED THAT YET. RIGHT. SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT PHASE THREE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PHASE TWO B, WHICH WOULD BE TO ADD THOSE TWO EXTRA LANES OF CAPACITY AS IN CONJUNCTION WITH DOING THE PHASE THREE IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. NEXT ARE SIGNALIZATION. SO WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SIGNALS EITHER COMPLETE OR IN DESIGN IN BAGHDAD. AND COLLABORATIVE IS COMPLETE. JOURNEY PARKWAY 175 IS COMPLETE. OUR THE REAGAN BARR WB SIENNA IS ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS LIBERTY HILL ISD. THAT ONE IS IN CONSTRUCTION. I BELIEVE THEY JUST APPROVED THE SUBMITTAL FOR THE POLES AND MAST ARM, SO THEY'LL BE ORDERING THOSE SOON, AND THEY'RE ANTICIPATING COMPLETION AND PUTTING INTO OPERATION AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. RONALD REAGAN AND SAN GABRIEL IS PART OF THAT PHASE TWO PROJECT. THE POLES AND MAST ARMS HAVE BEEN ORDERED, AND WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO BE EARLY 2026 WHEN THAT ONE IS COMPLETE. AND THEN RONALD REAGAN AND PALMYRA IS IN DESIGN. THE PLANS WERE JUST SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE, THIS WEEK FOR PERMIT REVIEW INTERNALLY. SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT ONE TO BE LATE 2026. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. SO I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A SUDDEN ESCALATION IN PRICE FOR [02:10:09] LIGHT POLES. HAVE WE SEEN THAT THIS YEAR OR ACTUALLY THE VIA DE SIENNA SIGNAL BAR W SIGNAL? THE COUNTY GOT REALLY GOOD PRICING. I THINK IT CAME IN AT LIKE 400,000, BUT WE WERE SEEING SIGNALS CLOSER TO LIKE $1 MILLION FOR A WHILE. SO THEY'VE DEFINITELY COME DOWN. OF COURSE THAT ONE IS JUST SIGNAL. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IF THERE'S ANY PAVEMENT WIDENING OR ANYTHING. SO WE'VE SEEN IT KIND OF STABILIZE, I THINK. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LEAD TIME ON THE POLES IS REALLY GOTTEN MUCH BETTER. IT'S STILL ABOUT THAT 6 TO 9 MONTHS. BUT I'M MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE'RE BUDGETING THE PRICING. SO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THANK YOU. WE'RE WORKING AS A STAFF TO PRIORITIZE SIGNALS AND TRY TO DEVELOP A PROCESS, NOT ONLY IDENTIFY THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE GET CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS AND EVERYTHING FROM CITIZENS AND EVERY INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU RATE ONE AGAINST THE OTHER? RIGHT. AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM WILL WARRANT. SO HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THEM AND KIND OF PUT THEM IN SOME SORT OF LINE? SO WE'RE WORKING WITH EMILY'S TEAM AND THE ENGINEERING STAFF TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THAT AND SEE MAYBE WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WARRANTS. WARRANTS ARE HARD BECAUSE EVERY WHAT DOES IT WARRANT? IS IT WARRANT BECAUSE THERE WAS A FATALITY OR DOES IT WARRANT JUST BECAUSE OF VOLUME. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS ARE WE EVER PROACTIVE IN FINDING ONES THAT WE SHOULD DO A WARRANT ANALYSIS ON, OR IS IT JUST FROM COMPLAINTS? I THINK WE HAVE A NEXT SLIDE ON THAT ONE. BUT ON THE ON REALLY QUICKLY ON THIS LAST ONE WE'RE LOOKING TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY IN OUR CIP LIKE SPECIFIC SIGNALS. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO INCLUDE FUNDING FOR THAT ANALYSIS AND DESIGN EACH YEAR SO THAT WE HAVE KIND OF THAT BUCKET OF MONEY TO GO TO KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THIS PRIORITY TO GET THESE SIGNALS DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED. OKAY. SO KIND OF GOING TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY SOFTWARE OR ANYTHING OUT THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH AI AND EVERYTHING THAT THERE HAS TO BE EITHER. YEAH. SO WE'RE TRYING TO INVESTIGATE THOSE OPTIONS TO SEE WHAT WHAT IS OUT THERE TO HELP US IDENTIFY THOSE PRIORITY LOCATIONS. YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE HEAR ABOUT THEM, WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSION FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL KIND OF A SIGNAL PERFORMANCE, BUT THAT IS ONLY AT EXISTING SIGNALS. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO TELL US THE FUTURE NEED, BUT WE CAN OPTIMIZE THOSE EXISTING SIGNALS. BUT WE'RE WORKING TO KIND OF IDENTIFY SOME OPTIONS TO KIND OF ANALYZE THOSE. AND BEFORE THEY BECOME A CONCERN, DOES PLACER HAVE ANY ABILITY TO SEE WHERE TRAFFIC BACKS UP? YEAH. PLACER IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO HELP US THERE. I MEAN, IT CAN SHOW US KIND OF WHAT THEIR PROJECTED TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE. IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC THERE, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM A CONCERNED CITIZEN ABOUT GABRIEL'S HORN AND REAGAN, FOR EXAMPLE. AND WE DID JUST DO A QUICK PEEK. WE HELPED US PULL ACCIDENT DATA OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS. FIVE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN LIKE 20 ACCIDENTS THERE AT THAT LOCATION IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. SO OR FIVE YEARS. SO THAT'S FOR A YEAR. THAT'S ONE EVERY QUARTER OR SO. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THERE. YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WE'RE DOING TRAFFIC SIGNALS IMMEDIATELY ABOVE AND BELOW. IS THAT GOING TO HELP MODERATE THAT THAT TRAFFIC. SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT THAT THAT THAT CITIZEN IS 100% CORRECT. IT IS DANGEROUS. THERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING THERE AND THEY'RE CORRECT IN POINTING THAT OUT. SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE THEN? FROM THE OTHER IS WE COULD WE COULD POUR A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO THE REAGAN CORRIDOR ALONE AND, AND TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT THEN WE'RE LEAVING THE BALANCE OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, UNDERSERVED. SO HOW DO WE BALANCE THOSE THOSE FAIR SHARE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE DOLLARS AROUND AS WELL? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH AS WELL. BUT LOOKING AT PREDICTIVE SOFTWARE, I THINK THERE'S I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED MAYBE A COUPLE DIFFERENT SOFTWARE OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT COULD HELP BEGIN TO IDENTIFY WHEN THINGS MAY EMERGE. AND WE CAN WE CAN BEGIN EXPECTING TO SEE THAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. GOOGLE JUST ANNOUNCED LIKE GOOGLE AI FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT'S IN IT. BUT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO USE THEIR MAPS DATA BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT EVERY INTERSECTION ON THERE, THEY KNOW WHEN WHERE THE CRASHES HAPPEN AND THE BACKUPS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE INTERSECTIONS OF CONCERN? SURE. ON HALSEY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SAN GABRIEL, THAT'S LIKE A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN, I BELIEVE. CAN WE WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR PUTTING A SIGNAL THERE? DOES THAT MEAN THEN YOU [02:15:03] HAVE TO WIDEN THE LANE? IT DOES. OKAY, BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT SIGNAL IT'S TEMPORARY. RIGHT. THAT THAT HEREAWAY IN RONALD REAGAN WHERE THAT GAS STATION IS WE IT'S NOT IT'S THE REAL DEAL. BUT YOU HAVE TRAFFIC GOING CROSSWAYS. THAT'S TWO LANES. THERE'S ONLY SINGLE ON THAT SIDE. WE GET THE HALSEY AND SAN GABRIEL. EVEN NOW WE GET CALLS FOR THAT ONE QUITE FREQUENTLY, JUST BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC DOES BACK UP, JUST THE TRAFFIC BACK. AND I'M NOT REALLY ACCIDENTS. NOT REALLY ACCIDENTS BECAUSE IT IS A FOUR WAY STOP. BUT IT REQUIRES SO MUCH PAVEMENT WIDENING IN THAT AREA. IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE. YOU PUT THIS TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT'S GIANT AND YOU HAVE THIS HUGE MAST ARM TO GO OUT. YOU JUST NEED TO WIDEN THE PAVEMENT. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. BUT SEE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, IS THAT I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE WIDENED IN, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL SIDES OF THAT. AND SO IS THAT GOING TO BE IN OUR NEXT SECTION ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THE FUTURE SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENTS, OR WOULD THAT BE IN THIS SECTION THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE NEXT DEVELOPMENTS, BUT LIKE 280, THAT KIND OF THING. WHEN WE DECIDE TO DO THINGS WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN, OKAY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT SOME POINT BECAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, LIKE WHEN WE DECIDE TO WIDEN SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S A PERFECT INTERSECTION AS AN EXAMPLE. AND WE DO HAVE A SECTION AT THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION OR DISCUSSION TO BEGIN TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THAT TODAY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON YOUR SOFTWARE OPTIMIZATION. ASSUMING THAT THERE'S A CURRENT SOFTWARE IN PLACE, ARE THERE OPTIONS TO UPGRADE OR IMPROVE THAT PARTICULAR SOFTWARE, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT REPLACING SOFTWARE TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SOFTWARE AS OF RIGHT NOW. SO IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING A NEW SOFTWARE TO HELP US TO TRACK THOSE KIND OF HOTSPOTS. AND IN FUTURE HOTSPOTS, MAYBE NOT EVEN RIGHT NOW, BUT TO LOOK TO FUTURE AND INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT'S COMING TO GET AHEAD OF IT. SO THERE'S TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY. THERE'S CURRENTLY NO SOFTWARE IN PLACE THAT IS ASSISTING US IN MANAGING TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN THE CITY OF LEANDER OR. OKAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NO NO NO NO NO NO. YES, WE DO HAVE. AND YOU HAVE A TOUR COMING NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN SHOW IT TO YOU. OKAY. BUT WE CAN SEE EVERY SIGNAL IN THE CITY. ALL THE INTERSECTIONS, LIVE FEEDS. WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND EVERYTHING FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND FROM LAPTOPS AS WELL. SO YES, WE HAVE. SO AGAIN, I REPEAT THE QUESTION, IS THERE NOT AN OPTION THERE TO EITHER UPGRADE OR IMPROVE THAT PARTICULAR SOFTWARE. AND SOME OF THAT DATA WOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE. CORRECT THE SIGNAL PERFORMANCE AND OPTIMIZATION SOFTWARE. SO WE HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET REQUEST THIS YEAR. SO THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT VEHICLE, SEE HOW TRAFFIC IS FLOWING. YOU CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. OKAY OKAY. THAT UPGRADE OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WOULD THAT ALLOW YOU TO CHANGE THE TIMING AT 183 IN CRYSTAL FALLS? BECAUSE IF SO WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT BUDGET. NOW ARE YOU CRYSTAL FALLS IS GREAT. THAT IS I HATE THAT LIGHT. YEAH. THAT IS EVERYBODY'S. YEAH. YOU'RE JUST DEPENDING ON HOW FAST YOU NEED TO GET ANYWHERE. EVERY SIGNAL NEEDS HELP. SO YOU KNOW. WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT IS THESE MAJOR REHAB PROJECTS AND REALLY THEIR RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE KIND OF ON OUR RADAR AS WELL. RONALD REAGAN BEING ONE OF THEM. WE'RE ESTIMATING. I MEAN, IT'S I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S FALLING APART, BUT IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. SO JUST ASSUMING A TWO INCH MILL AND OVERLAY WITH SOME FULL DEPTH PATCHING FOR SOME OF THOSE FAILURE SPOTS FOR THE LENGTH OF RONALD REAGAN WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS IS ABOUT $7.7 MILLION. WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND DONE A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT FOR THE NORTHERN PART OF BAGHDAD. SO THIS IS FROM CRYSTAL FALLS TO HERO WAY BECAUSE WE HAD REHABILITATED THIS ONE AND DONE A MILL AND OVERLAY PROBABLY 5 TO 7 YEARS AGO, AND IT'S ALREADY FAILING IN QUITE A FEW SPOTS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE EXPECTED IT TO. SO WE DID THAT GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS. THEY DID DETERMINE THAT IT IS AN UNDER BASICALLY UNDERSIZED PAVEMENT. IT NEEDS TO BE THICKER. SO IN ORDER TO RECONSTRUCT THAT THAT ONE TO THE FULL SECTION OF WHAT IS NEEDED IS $8.6 MILLION. AND THEN TREVISO PARKWAY IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S IN PRETTY, PRETTY BAD SHAPE. THAT ENTRANCE OFF OF 1431 UP TO BENETTON. WE HAVEN'T DONE A GEOTECH ON IT, BUT JUST USING KIND OF GUIDANCE FROM LOCAL. IT'S CALLED CPEC. IT'S A CAPITAL AREA PAVEMENT. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE ALL THE ACRONYMS, BUT IT'S KIND OF THAT CAPITAL AREA PAVEMENT DESIGN GUIDE. THEY WOULD RECOMMEND A 19 INCH SECTION SO THAT ONE ALONE IS [02:20:06] $2.4 MILLION. SO THESE ARE ONES THAT WE CAN'T REALLY HANDLE WITH OUR REHAB BUDGET THAT WE HAVE. IT'S ABOUT $2 MILLION A YEAR. SO TACKLING ANY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD WOULD EAT UP YEARS WORTH OF BUDGET. SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CIP PROJECTS. HOW DO WE DETERMINE IN BUDGET WHEN WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT 2 MILLION A YEAR FOR ROAD REHAB. SO WE HAVE A PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT'S COMING. AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S ON NEXT AGENDA. AND IT DOES GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION EACH YEAR. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE FUNDING TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY GO BY BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'LL SAY WE NEED $8 MILLION A YEAR FOR ROAD REHAB JUST TO KEEP YOUR PCI THE SAME, YOUR SCORE THE SAME, YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, SO TO SPEAK, OF THE PAVEMENT CONDITION. SO WE'RE AGAIN ABOUT TO DO THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN TO KIND OF REEVALUATE THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU. SO WE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE BAGHDAD TERMINUS PROJECT GOING. AND SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING DOWN THE ROAD. AND THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO MILL THAT AND DO THAT. SO THAT THAT NEW SECTION OR THAT, THAT CENTER TURN LANE WILL BE OVERLAID WITH THE BRAND NEW SECTION IN THE PROJECT SCOPE IS NOT TO TOUCH THOSE OUTER TWO LANES ON EACH SIDE, BUT WE ARE EVALUATING INTERNALLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE TRENCHED ACROSS IT, PUT SOME LATERALS IN THERE. AND SO WE'VE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR ON SOME PRICING TO DO A MILL AND OVERLAY OF THE WHOLE SECTION, JUST TO MAKE IT UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THAT SECTION IS I GUESS IT'S NOT AS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 30IN. NO IT'S NOT. AND THAT ONE DID HOLD UP A LOT BETTER THAN THE NORTHERN PART. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOILS AND MAYBE CONSTRUCTION OR THICKNESS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, BUT THE SOUTHERN SECTION DID HOLD UP A LOT BETTER. WE DIDN'T SEE AS MANY SPOTS AS WE DID MORE. SO THIS IS A SUMMARY. AND THEN I THINK I'LL PASS IT OFF TO TODD. BUT SO THE ABOUT THE MONEY. SO JUST WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE KIND OF SUMMARIZED, THEY'RE NOT INCLUDING TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR REHABILITATION. WE'RE LOOKING AT $130 MILLION WITH THE HEREAWAY, CRYSTAL FALLS, REAGAN, SAN GABRIEL AND THEN THE COUNTY ROAD 175, WHICH WE DIDN'T SHOW IN THOSE SLIDES, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. SO. SO OUR TEAM IS AMAZING. AND THEY SHOWED ALL THE AMAZING THINGS WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND ALL THESE AMAZING TECHNIQUES TO DECIDE WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. AND THEN I GET THE FUN PART, WHICH IS SAYING, OKAY, NOW LET'S LOOK AT DOLLARS. SO AND I KIND OF RAN THROUGH THE NUMBERS. IF YOU LOOK AT AT JUST WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR FUNDING, THAT'S PUSHING $371 MILLION TOTAL. THAT'S NOT INCLUDING OTHER INTERSECTION REHABILITATIONS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. SO WE BEGIN TO BEG THE QUESTION ON, OKAY, WHERE DO WE STAND TODAY WITH THAT? AND WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OR THE CAPABILITY OF THE CITY TO DO IT MOVING FORWARD? I THINK IN OUR DRAFT CIP, I THINK WE LOOKED AT IT RIGHT AROUND $127 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL CIP PROJECTS, SOME OF WHICH WERE KIND OF WRAPPED UP INTO PART OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS AND OUR TEAM ABOUT IS WHAT WHAT WOULD A DEBT CAPACITY SOLUTION LOOK LIKE, AND HOW MUCH COULD WE POTENTIALLY BRING IN TO WORK WITH IF WE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT INS TAX RATE? SO WE'RE CURRENTLY SITTING AT 14, ABOUT 14.3 $0.07 PER $100 VALUATION ON THE INS PORTION OF THE TAX RATE. SO THEY WENT TO WORK PULLING TOGETHER A LONG TERM DEBT ANALYSIS AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE INS IMPLICATIONS TO THAT WOULD BE. HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT, THOUGH, IN TERMS OF SHOWING YOU WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY. WE HAVE WINNOWING DEBT THAT'S DROPPING OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE HAVE KIND OF OUR PEAK PAYMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025, WHICH IS 19 MILLION. AND THAT'S THE PRIOR GEOS, OTHER DEBT THAT WE'VE BEEN ISSUING FOR OTHER PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS. SO THE FINAL PAYMENT ON THAT IS 2044. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE IS THE INS RATE DROPPING FROM 1437 DOWN TO BELOW $0.03. WHEN YOU GET DOWN. AND WE BEGIN TO SEE AN APPRECIABLE DROP REALLY IN FISCAL YEAR 26 AS WE KIND OF GO. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THIS RATE IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF OUR ACTUAL DEBT OBLIGATIONS. AND [02:25:03] SO WE CANNOT CHARGE MORE ON THIS, AND WE NEED TO SERVE THAT DEBT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST IS TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT WE COULD, OUT OF THE RATE TO BRING THAT OVER INTO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATING SIDE, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF HELP MODULATE AND CREATE SOME EXTRA DOLLARS THAT WE CAN STILL PUT OVER INTO OUR CAPITAL PLANNING SIDE. BUT WE'RE CAPPED AT 3.5%. WE CAN'T RAISE MORE THAN 3.5% MORE REVENUE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT 0.84. .08 $0.04. SO THAT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 1.3 1.4 MILLION. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THE CAP OF WHAT WE COULD WE COULD REALLY, AS A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB CAPTURE IN A GOING YEAR. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN TERMS OF YOUR OVERALL TAX RATE AS A FUNCTION OF YOUR INS DROPPING BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO OBLIGATIONS. SO WE WENT TO WORK, SAID, OKAY, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO ADDRESS OUR NEEDS? HOW CLOSE COULD WE GET OR HOW MUCH WOULD WE REALLY GENERATE? WE REALLY DIDN'T SHOOT FOR A TARGET NUMBER. WE JUST SAID, HOW MUCH CAN WE REALLY GENERATE AND WHAT WE SEE OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD? ASSUMING A CONSERVATIVE MODEL IN TERMS OF AV GROWTH, TOTAL AV FOR THE CITY, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY, IF WE HANG IN THERE AT 1437 TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE, LET'S SAY, PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND 350 MILLION, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE 370. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY THIS IS A ROUGH CUT THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. WE'RE NOT IN ANY WAY PORTRAYING THIS AS AN OFFICIAL POSITION, STATEMENT OF CONDITION OR FIDUCIARY POSITION BY THE CITY AT ALL. SO THIS IS JUST SIMPLY A MODEL THAT'S OUT THERE. SO. IF THE FEDS ARE WATCHING, WE'RE NOT REPRESENTING THIS AS THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POSITION, BUT WE'D BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY THREE ISSUANCES IN THE 100 TO 130 MILLION RANGE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS AS WE ISSUE DEBT, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE AN EXPECTATION WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS WITHIN THREE YEARS. AND A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE GOING TO BE MULTI-PHASE, MULTI-YEAR KIND OF PROJECTS. ONE OF THE PRIMARY QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL WOULD BE, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION NOW TO CONTEMPLATE ISSUING DEBT HERE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR SO THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THE RATE AND THE TOTAL TAX RATE MOVING INTO NEXT YEAR? IF SO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. I MEAN, QUICKLY, PROBABLY SOMETIME HERE IN JULY. WE NEED TO BRING THE INITIAL AUTHORIZATIONS TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS. TO LOOK AT THAT, I THINK. SO I THINK THAT WE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PROJECTS AND WE'RE IN A GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION. BUT COUNCIL, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I WOULD AGREE THAT, BUT I WOULD ALSO I THOUGHT WE HAD ANOTHER YEAR TO WHERE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE ISSUE. AND ALSO I HAD A QUESTION. I THOUGHT WE HAD A PRESENTATION WHERE WE WERE MORE LIKE ABOUT WE COULD TAKE ON $750 MILLION AND STAY WITHIN OUR CURRENT. THAT WAS A 20 YEAR. THAT WAS A 20 YEAR LOOK AHEAD. SO THIS ONE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS NEXT TEN YEAR AND CONTEMPLATING THESE PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. WELL, AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY AND AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE, THE PROJECTS ARE MANY. THE NEEDS ARE MANY, ESPECIALLY FOR QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITY. AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF EVER RAISING OUR TAXES, BUT IF WE CAN MAINTAIN THE RATE, I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINITELY CONSIDER THIS AND MOVE FORWARD. ANYBODY ELSE? CONSIDER THAT THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THEN OKAY. HOW DOES SHE GET OKAY? THIS ONE JUST KIND OF SPEAKS TO OUR FUTURE EVALUATION PROCESS AND WHAT WE CONTINUE TO TRACK. WE'RE UPDATING THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN TO CONTINUE TO UPDATE THOSE CORRIDOR ANALYSIS AS PROJECTS COME ONLINE, AS WE ADD SIGNALS TO REAGAN, KIND OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR THE OVERALL MOVEMENT THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR? SIGNAL TIMING PERFORMANCE OPTIMIZATION IS ALWAYS HUGE. THEY RECOMMEND AT LEAST EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS TO UPDATE YOUR CORRIDOR TIMING, BUT WITH SOME NEW SOFTWARE UPGRADES. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT A LOT MORE FREQUENTLY AND WE CAN DO IN HOUSE. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT TO A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THIS ALL THE TIME. AND THEN JUST THE, THE PLANNING OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS, PRIVATE CHARTER SCHOOLS, ALL, ALL THAT, ALL THAT STUFF THAT IMPACTS THE ROADWAYS AND, AND THE TRAFFIC LEVELS. OKAY. [02:30:22] IS THIS THE SAME AGENDA ITEM OR THE NEXT ONE? IT IS THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. SO FUTURE SUBDIVISION [ Future Subdivision and Developments Existing Policies and RequirementsStatutory Framework for Development ApprovalOptions for Revisions to Policies and Requirements] AND DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHT. YES. THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ONE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. I'M CONCERNED MY SLIDES DON'T MATCH THE LIST IN THE AGENDA, BUT THE FOCUS OF THESE SLIDES. JOSHUA HELPED ME WITH INFORMATION ABOUT OUR SECONDARY ACCESS REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO I HAVE A LOT OF TEXT UP HERE STRAIGHT FROM THE CODE. BUT IF YOU CAN SKIP TO THE PICTURE, WE JUST PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SECONDARY ACCESS. SO THE PINK ARROWS THOSE ARE THE ACCESS POINTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY HAVE CONNECTIONS TO REAGAN 29 AND KAUFMAN LOOP. AND IT'S ALL INTERCONNECTED. SO THAT MEETS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE IT COULD BE BETTER. THE RED CIRCLE IS THEIR RECIPROCAL ACCESS. SO WHEN THE ADJACENT TRACK DEVELOPS THE IDEA IS THEIR DRIVEWAYS WILL CONNECT AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER WAY OUT. BUT THIS IS THE SITUATION THAT THE CITY IS FACED WITH A LOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE ARE TASKED WITH BEING PATIENT. SO EVENTUALLY THAT WILL WORK. CAN YOU GO AHEAD ANOTHER TWO SLIDES I THINK. YEAH. SO THIS IS MULTIFAMILY. SO THIS IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE. SO IT HAD THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ONTO HEREAWAY WHICH ARE A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. AND THAT RED CIRCLE IS WHERE THE FUTURE CONNECTION WAS PLANNED FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU GO BACK ONE, THIS SHOWS HOW IT WORKED OUT. BUT THERE'S A GAP IN THE TIMING. SO IT'S PROBABLY LIKE FIVE YEARS APART WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S CONNECTED INTERNALLY. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OUT. SO THEY HAVE A CONNECTION ACROSS THE FRONT. SO IT HELPS WITH THAT SECONDARY ACCESS. AND THE ONE I THINK THAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN IF YOU KEEP IF YOU SKIP THAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. ONE MORE SLIDE. SO THIS IS WHAT IT'S AN OVERLOOK ESTATES LOOK LIKE WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT. SO IT HAD ACCESS TO HORIZON PARK. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE THE YELLOW CIRCLE IS. THAT WAS THE PLANNED CONNECTION. AND THEY HAD TO WAIT ALMOST TEN YEARS FOR THEIR SECONDARY ACCESS. BUT IF YOU GO BACK A SLIDE, THAT BLUE ARROW IS WHERE THE ACCESS WAS BUILT WITH THE UNDERCROSSING. SO WE HAD TO BE PATIENT TO GET THE ACCESS. AND THEN IF YOU SKIP AHEAD, THIS IS THE AREA YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO THIS IS 280. IT KIND OF GOES IN THE MIDDLE. THE RED CIRCLES MARK THE FUTURE ACCESS AND ACTUALLY HAD AN UPDATE TO THIS. IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THE GREAT WOOD IN GREEN. IT HAS A RED CIRCLE AT THE TOP WHERE THERE'S A FUTURE ACCESS. AND THEN GREAT WOOD SOUTH HAS ONE ON THE, THE EAST SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE THAT HAS A FUTURE ACCESS. AND I DID CONFIRM LEANDER ESTATES IN GREATWOOD. THOSE GREEN ARROWS EXIST. SO THAT ACCESS POINT DOES CONNECT. BUT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS THE LIMITED ACCESS FOR HILLTOP AND LEANDER ESTATES WHEN IT COMES TO SECONDARY POINT. IS THIS WHERE YOU WANT ME TO TALK? OKAY, SO THIS HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME A LOT, THIS SPECIFIC AREA. 280 AND I'M WORRIED THAT WE HAVE OTHER 280 COMING. WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS TOLD IS COUNCIL IS THAT IF WE WANT ROADS IMPROVED AND WIDENED, THEN YOU APPROVE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT COMES WITH DEVELOPMENT. BUT 280 GOING THROUGH THERE WAS NOT WIDENED. IF IT WAS, IT'S INCREMENTAL BECAUSE IT'S STILL WITH ALL OF THOSE HOUSES COMING IN, THAT ROAD IS ONLY ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION. AND WHERE IT CURVES, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS AT THE SAME TIME. AND I CAN'T BE ALONE IN THAT, BECAUSE WE JUST REPLACED PART OF THE GUARDRAIL FROM A CAR THAT WAS RUN OFF TRYING TO MAKE THAT TURN. I HAVE A LOT OF ANXIETY ABOUT ALL OF THOSE LOTS COMING IN, AND ESPECIALLY THE PERIOD WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND CONSTRUCTION STILL HAPPENING. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING THE TWO WAYS OF ACCESS, I HAD THOUGHT IN MY HEAD THAT THE TWO WAYS OF ACCESS WASN'T JUST FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY. BECAUSE THE THING IS, IS ALL THOSE HOUSES, THEY CAN ONLY GET OUT THAT TINY LITTLE BIT OF 280 IF THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING. THERE'S NO SECONDARY WAY. AND I'M SURE ON HILLTOP WE SAW A SECONDARY THAT WENT TO THE SOUTH AT SOME POINT. I BELIEVE IT DOES GO TO THE I THINK THERE WAS ONE [02:35:07] TO THE SOUTH. THERE'S JUST NOT A DEVELOPMENT COMING. LAKELINE IS IN THE MIDDLE. SO THAT WAS BUILT. WE WOULD HAVE THAT AND IT CONNECTS DOWN TO SAN GABRIEL. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THEY'VE PAID TOWARDS THE ROAD. WE JUST NEED TO EITHER HAVE A CIP PROJECT FOR THE CITY, TAKES THE NEXT STEP TO BUILD THE COMPLETE ROAD, OR IS THAT DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH OR NORTH HAPPENS? IT WILL HELP PROMOTE THAT. THANK YOU. SO MY CONCERNS GOING FORWARD, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS IS, IS THE SAFETY OF THINGS. WHEN IS IT THAT WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO BUILD MORE THAN JUST TWO LANES BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF HOUSES. THAT IS NOT AN ADEQUATE ROAD. WHEN IS IT THAT WE SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SECONDARY WAY OUT, ALL THE WAY BUILT BEFORE YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF HOUSES? BECAUSE IF THESE GET BUILT AND NOTHING ELSE DOES, WE HIT A DECLINE. THAT'S A HUGE DANGER. AND THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY JUST, YOU KNOW, UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE DRY. AND I HAVE A THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS AS MAYOR THAT GIVE ME A LOT OF ANXIETY, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THEM. AND I'M REALLY WORRIED, LOOKING AT REAGAN, THAT WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING. AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS WE DON'T OWN THE LAND ON ANY OF THESE SIDES, SO WE CAN'T JUST GO IN AND BUILD BIGGER PIECES OF ROADS. SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT CAN IMPROVE THE SYSTEM WE CURRENTLY HAVE? SO ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD OR FOR THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR THIS PROJECT, IS THERE? THE CITY COULD INITIATE A CIP PROJECT TO IMPROVE 280, BECAUSE WE DID GET SOME RIGHTS OF WAY AS PART OF THE FINAL PLANNING PROCESS. THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY BUILD IT TO THE COMPLETE SECTION. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REALLY QUICK. SORRY. WHY ARE WE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO BUILD IT TO THE COMPLETE SECTION IN FRONT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS? SO IT I KNOW YOU AND I LOOK AT IT AND SAY THIS COMMON SENSE WISE MAKES SENSE THAT THEY EXPAND THESE ROADS AND BUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS A LOT OF TIMES JUST SHOWS YOU NEED TO ONLY HAVE TWO LANES FOR THIS AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL. SO ARE WE ABLE TO DO AN ORDINANCE THAT SUPERSEDES THAT AND SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL, YOU MUST HAVE THIS NUMBER OF LANES. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T GET TO THAT PAGE. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ELEMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO WEIGH AS WELL. BUT I KNOW FOR LEANDER ESTATES AND HILLTOP, WHEN I CAME IN WE HAD THEM EXPAND IT TO BE LESS THAN IT WAS SUBSTANDARD AS THE COUNTY ROAD. AND WE HAD THEM EXPAND IT TO BE THE, THE WIDTH SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE TWO CARS GO BY. AND I KNOW GREAT WOODS DID THAT AS WELL. GREAT WOODS SOUTH I THINK JUST CONTRIBUTED MONEY. A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WERE ALREADY IN PLAY FOR A LONG TIME, SO WE WERE JUST HAVING TO HONOR THE AGREEMENTS THAT WERE ALREADY IN PLAY FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION GOING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, LIKE LAST TUESDAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY TIGHTENING UP WHAT SUBSTANDARD ROAD MEANT, HAVING IT HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS TO THE NEXT ROAD THAT IS, THAT MEETS STANDARDS. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE WANT TO PUT IN THE ORDINANCE. BUT AGAIN, YOU START RUNNING INTO ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. AND SO IF YOU HAVE LIKE A LEANDER ESTATES COMING IN LIKE LET'S JUST SAY IT HASN'T, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND IT'S COMING IN TODAY AND WE SAY, OKAY, YOU GOT TO X, YOU'VE GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO BAGHDAD AND MAKE IT A STANDARD ROAD. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. AND SO YOU CAN'T MAKE US DO IT. SO HOW ARE OTHER CITIES HANDLING THIS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. IT'S JUST WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT IS OUR CURRENT STANDARD. SO WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH AND TRY TO FIND OUT. YEAH. IN SOME OF THE MORE RECENT STATUTORY THINGS THAT KICKED IN THIS LAST SESSION, WAY INTO THIS TOO. SO I DON'T KNOW. PAIGE, CAN YOU KIND OF WEIGH IN ON. YEAH, I THINK I THINK EMILY'S COVERED IT. WELL, THERE'S SOME ABILITY TO MAYBE SET SOME MINIMUM RIGHTS OF WAY THAT HAVE TO BE DEDICATED BASED ON, TO SOME EXTENT, THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE ADJACENT USES. BUT EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO THAT ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS YOU ONLY HAVE TO DEDICATE OR CONSTRUCT WHAT IS ROUGHLY PROPORTIONATE TO YOUR PROJECT'S IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE ROADWAY [02:40:05] SYSTEM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR STANDARD KIND OF DEFAULT REGULATIONS. AND THEN ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY IS ON TOP OF THAT. AND THAT'S ALWAYS THAT ALWAYS HAS TO BE. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND COMPLY WITH THAT. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT UNDER LAW TO REQUEST A ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ANALYSIS, WHICH THEN THE CITY HAS TO DEFEND THAT THROUGH ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, WHICH CAN THEN BE APPEALED TO COUNCIL AND FROM THERE TO COURT. SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT LEANDER ESTATES AND HILLTOP, AND IF WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THEIR CONTRIBUTION, THERE'S, THERE'S A TIPPING POINT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT BECOMES AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT. SO HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION IS? THAT COMES DOWN TO ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME HEADWAY MADE WITH THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT Y'ALL ADOPTED, BECAUSE THAT ESTABLISHES THE MAXIMUM IMPACT THAT YOUR PROJECT HAS ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM. SO THAT'S PROVIDED THE CITY A CALCULATOR TO CALCULATE WHAT IS YOUR ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. AND THEN THAT HELPS THE CITY ANALYZE WHAT WHAT DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER NEED TO PROVIDE AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RIGHTS OF WAY. SO WE KIND OF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUANTIFY THAT. AND THEN IT THEN IT GETS DOWN TO KIND OF JUST COORDINATING. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO IMPLEMENT THAT. DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD IT. AND THEN THE CITY COSTS CONTRIBUTE? DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO BUILD IT? TAKE TAKE IN THE FUNDS IN THE CITY, BUILD IT AT SOME POINT YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS THE CITY IS PARTICIPATING IN EITHER FUNDING OR CONSTRUCTION. IF THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. WHAT THE CITY WANTS IS MORE THAN WHAT THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS, THE CITY THEN BECOMES A PARTY TO IT TO BALANCE THAT OUT. SO THEN DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT THEN TO STOP APPROVING ZONING REQUESTS? IF WE FEEL LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE ROAD ISN'T THERE? SO ON ON THESE RIGHT HERE, THEY ALL ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY RURAL, WHICH IS THE INTERIM CATEGORY YOU COME IN WITH. SO YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE TO APPROVE A ZONING REQUEST. SO MAYBE IT'S WHEN DO WE STOP APPROVING DEVELOPMENTS AS PART OF A CONCEPT IN PRELIMINARY PLAT? AND I THINK IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WE MEET. SO IF THEY'RE MEETING ZONING, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT. AND IT'S ALL DICTATED BY THE STATE STATUTES. I THINK IT WOULD COME INTO PLAY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. BUT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO DENY. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO STOP ACCEPTING PERMITS AND ISSUING PERMITS, THEN YOU THERE'S A PROCESS UNDER STATE LAW, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO ADOPT A MORATORIUM. AND THERE'S A PUBLIC NOTICE PROCESS THAT GOES FORWARD. THERE'S A FINDINGS. YOU HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN FINDINGS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN IT'S IN EFFECT FOR I THINK FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT'S ONLY IN EFFECT FOR 120 DAYS. AND YOU HAVE TO RE ADOPT IT. WE CAN DO IT FOR JUST ONE SECTION. I DON'T KNOW I WOULD NEED TO CHECK THAT. IT WOULD SEEM THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THE STATUTE WANTS YOU TO HAVE THE MINIMUM IMPACT POSSIBLE. AND BUT THEN ANYBODY WHO'S GRANDFATHERE, ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PROGRESS ARE EXEMPT. RIGHT? I KNOW TAYLOR WAS DOING SOMETHING WHERE THEY BROKE UP THEIR CITY INTO LIKE DIFFERENT AREAS AND GROWTH WAS ALLOWED IN SOME, AND THEN IT WASN'T ALLOWED IN OTHERS. HOW DO YOU HOW DO CITIES DO THAT? WE COULD SEE WHAT TAYLOR DID, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ALL THE WAY, OTHER THAN IF THEY'RE DOING A MORATORIUM. THEY'RE JUST MAYBE DOING A TARGETED MORATORIUM ONLY IN THE AREAS WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTS A MORATORIUM. THAT WOULD BE MY SUPPOSITION WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT. THANK YOU. SO THERE'S A SAFETY CONCERN HERE, RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SECONDARY ACCESS. AND SO WE HAVE FIRE POLICE. BUT MOSTLY IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A FIRE I THINK. AND SO CAN FIRE NOT PERMIT SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S UNSAFE IN THAT WAY. I MEAN THE, THE EXAMPLE YOU HAVE BASICALLY YOUR EGRESS GOING INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS AN EGRESS INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO FEED THINGS ACROSS NEIGHBORHOODS BACK TO AN ARTERIAL OR A STREET. RIGHT. AND SO COULD THERE BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU SAY, HEY, THERE HAS TO BE THIS IN PLACE, OR IT HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN ORDER TO GET YOU TO A LOCATION WHERE YOU HAVE ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS FROM YOUR PLACE INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH SOMEBODY. IT'S LIKE, IF YOU'RE IN A OFFICE BUILDING AND YOU SAY, WELL, MY EXIT TO MY [02:45:01] BUILDING IS GOING TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER PERSON'S SUITE AND THEY HAVE A DOOR OR WHATEVER THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, NO, THAT DOESN'T WORK. THAT DOESN'T COUNT. AND SO COULD THAT BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT OR SOME SHAPING SOME ORDINANCE RELATED TO THAT FOR FUTURE TYPE TYPE DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN AROUND, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A SECRET WAY OUT THE BACK AND ENDED UP IN SOME GUY'S DRIVEWAY, AND THEN I HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN AROUND WITHOUT GETTING SHOT. BUT ANYWAYS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SECONDARY ACCESS AND IT INCLUDES CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS. SO IF YOU MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, THERE'S EXCEPTION TO THAT SECONDARY ACCESS BEING BUILT. I THINK IT'S JOSHUA'S HERE. SO HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO WHEN HE GIVES THAT EXCEPTION, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AMENDED. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? IS THIS NOT WORKING? ALL RIGHT. SO ROBIN IS CORRECT IN THAT THERE ARE SECONDARY ACCESS EXCEPTIONS. ONE OF THEM IS SPRINKLING THE BUILDING. SO IF THEY SPRINKLE ALL BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT, THAT'S EVERY SINGLE STRUCTURE. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME OFF OF A SINGLE ACCESS. BUT JUST TO JUST TO EASE YOUR MIND, I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS WE ALL DO WITH WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE A SECOND ACCESS AND EMERGENCY SITUATION, AND THAT'S PALOMINO RANCH THAT'S OUT. MESA VERDE, I THINK, IS THE NAME OF THE ROAD GOING WEST. SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE PEOPLE OUT IN A CONTRA FLOW IF NECESSARY. BUT THE IMPROVEMENT OF THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TOPIC. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK FOR IS IF THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE EXCEPTIONS, THEN WE OUR, OUR STANDARD IS THAT WE WANT TO DUMP THOSE VEHICLES ONTO A COLLECTOR. WE USE KIND OF A GENERAL TERM WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTORS, WHAT WE USUALLY LOOK FOR BECAUSE WE ALSO POD IT OUT, MEANING WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, IF THERE IS AN AREA THAT HAS A SINGLE ACCESS TO 30 HOMES, WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE THAT LEAD INTO ANOTHER ACCESS POINT FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA. SO THE OTHER EXCEPTION IS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A FUTURE CONNECTION. THE WAY THAT WE APPROACH THAT IS IF THAT FUTURE CONNECTION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME TYPE OF LEGAL INSTRUMENT THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT. IN MOST CASES, THEY HAVE TO OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OR HAVE THAT AGREEMENT WITH THAT PROPERTY. BUT THEN THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO DELAYS, RIGHT? THAT'S THE EXAMPLES THAT WE'VE PROVIDED WITH THE TEN YEAR AND THE THREE YEAR SEPARATION BETWEEN WHEN IT WAS PROVIDED, WHEN IT WASN'T. AND WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT THAT OTHER CONNECTION ALREADY EXISTS BY THE TIME THAT THEY BUILD. RIGHT. IF THEY MEET THE EXCEPTIONS CURRENTLY THE WAY THAT WE'VE ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE. CORRECT. NOW, WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AMENDING THAT AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I KNOW I VOTED NO ON A COUPLE OF ZONING CASES FOR 125 WHEN I FIRST GOT ON FOR THE SAME REASON, AND IT IS A CONCERN. SO I HOPE THAT WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT CHANGING OUR ORDINANCE AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THAT SECOND POINT OF ACCESS OR EGRESS AND INGRESS EGRESS BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THESE THINGS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN CRYSTAL FALLS IS GOING TO COME ONLINE EVEN NOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN DESIGNED, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY BE APPROVING THE FUNDS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT COMING. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. BESIDES THE FIRE THOUGHTS FOR EMERGENCY, I'M THINKING ABOUT JUST THE EVERYDAY TRAFFIC. IT'S ALMOST 500 LOTS JUST IN THESE FOUR DEVELOPMENTS, AND THREE OF THEM DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LIVING THERE YET. BUT CURRENTLY JUST WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH, IT'S A REGULAR OCCURRENCE THAT PEOPLE ARE ALMOST BEING RUN OFF THE ROAD. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE WHAT DO WE CALCULATE THREE THREE PEOPLE PER HOUSE. SO 1500 MORE PEOPLE LIVING THERE COMING AND GOING WHILE THEY'RE STILL CONSTRUCTION. FOR YEARS, THE SOUTHERN CORNER THERE, WHERE THE THREE THINGS MEET, THAT'S AN ENTIRELY BLIND CURVE WITH ONE ROAD THAT COMES STRAIGHT INTO IT. ONE OF THE NEW ROADS FROM HILLTOP GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE CURVE WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THAT LITTLE CUT ACROSS AT THE TOP THAT'S INCREDIBLY NARROW AND A TURN. AND I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE TOO DANGEROUS. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE WERE APPROVING THOSE. LIKE, HAVE YOU ALL DRIVEN IT? WHAT DO WE DO? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE FIX THIS ONE? AND HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING ANYWHERE ELSE? AGAIN, IT'S ALL GOING TO FALL [02:50:05] BACK TO WHAT WE LEGALLY CAN DO IN TERMS OF THE EXACTIONS OR THE RATIONAL NEXUS BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO AND WHAT WE CAN MAKE THEM ASK THEM TO DO. PAGE IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ONE OF THE NEW STATUTES THAT ALSO CAME OUT. THAT COMPLICATES THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AS WE'RE EVALUATING OUR CIPS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR FINANCING AND OUR ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THAT WE ARE BEGINNING TO PROACTIVELY BEGIN TO ADDRESS AREAS LIKE THIS AND KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY TO MAKE IT WORK, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMBINATION OF CITY DIRECT INVOLVEMENT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER TOOLS AND MECHANISMS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME TO YOU FOR THROUGH PIDS AND MUDS. YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET REIMBURSEMENT BACK FOR CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE GOT TWO BIG CASES, MAYBE THREE, YOU KNOW, COMING TO YOU GUYS NOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING PRESENTATIONS AND THEY WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS ON AN I KNOW WE'VE HAD A CERTAIN POLICY POSITION ON THOSE, BUT THAT MAY BE ANOTHER PIECE TO THIS. THAT IS A TOOL THAT ALLOWS US, IF WE MANAGE IT CORRECTLY, TO TRY TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT TOO. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMBINATION. YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALSO DO OR CONTINUE TO DO IN OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, SAY, LISTEN, I KNOW YOU'RE COMING IN AND I CAN'T MAKE YOU, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT PROVIDING THESE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS. WE NEED YOU TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. SO IT'LL TAKE A COMBINATION OF COOPERATIVE, COLLABORATIVE STEPPING UP, PROVIDING DOLLARS AND THEN MAYBE CONTEMPLATING SOME OF THOSE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN. SECOND, DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THAT ROUGH, ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY? IF WE HAVE THE ROAD DESIGNATED AS A HIGHER USE? THAT'S PRESUMING THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION AND YOUR ALIGNMENT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY HELP YOU WITH REGARD TO REQUIRING THE PAVEMENT AND REQUIRING THE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. PAGE, JUST TO ADD TO WHAT TODD SAID WITH RESPECT TO THAT STATUTE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE NOT THIS MORE RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, BUT THE ONE BEFORE THE THERE'S BEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, BOUNDARIES DRAWN ON WHAT CITIES CAN REQUIRE FOR RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS. YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A NETWORK OF ROADS THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR SUBDIVISION. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS THAT'S OUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE CITY'S CIP PLAN. SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE CITY'S CIP PLAN. SO ONE KEY TOOL AND ONE KEY CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT A LINE OF SIGHT ON AND HAVE DOCUMENTED, ARE THOSE ROADS THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND ARE PRIORITIES ARE ON THAT CIP PLAN. SO WHEN THAT PROJECT COMES THROUGH AND DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO BE DEDICATED. IT'S ON THE CIP PLAN. SO WE CAN CHECK THAT BOX UNDER THE STATUTE. THERE'S A FEW OTHER CRITERIA WE KIND OF HAVE TO WORK WITH, BUT THAT IS A MAIN ONE TO BE AWARE OF. THANK YOU. SO DO WE NEED TO REEVALUATE OUR CIP AND MAKE SURE A LOT MORE ROADS ARE IN IT? OKAY. HOW DO WE DO THAT AND WHEN. WELL WE'RE BUILDING IT NOW. AND SO WHERE WE HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL ISSUES LIKE LAKELINE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THERE OR WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL SECTIONS, THEN WE NEED TO BEGIN TO FOLD THAT IN AND FACTOR THOSE IN. AND SO IT ALSO MEANS OUR CIP AS WE TALKED IN I GUESS A YEAR AGO, OUR CIP AS WE BUILD IT HAS GOT TO LOOK BEYOND FIVE YEARS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO LOOK INTO THAT TEN YEAR PLUS KIND OF WINDOW AS WE BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS. SO LET'S HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP SOMETHING NEXT TO HILLTOP ON THE LEFT THERE AND THE LEFT OF LEANDER ESTATES, AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GO OUT THAT SAME ROAD, AND WE JUST KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH AND, AND, AND IT'S LIKELY IT'LL HAPPEN. AND THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO SLOW THAT OR BECAUSE ARE YOU GOING TO GO IN AND RETROFIT A BIGGER ROAD IN THERE BECAUSE THEY BUILT THE HOUSES RIGHT UP, PROBABLY TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR FENCES RIGHT UP THEIR, THEIR THINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT PROBABLY ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT. AND THIS ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WE DID GET THE ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S REQUIRED FOR 280. SO THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THERE. IF YOU DRIVE IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE WALLS AND STUFF ARE PRETTY PUSHED BACK. SO THERE IS RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S JUST NOT THE PAVEMENT. SO THEN FOR THAT FUTURE ONE, IF WE GET THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD OUT THAT ROAD. THEN WHEN THEY COME IN WE CAN REQUEST THE MONEY BECAUSE, HEY, WE HAVE A PLAN TO DO THIS, YOU NEED TO DO THIS AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DEDICATE THE FULL WIDTH RIGHT AWAY. AND I [02:55:01] THINK THAT'S IN THE ETJ TOO. SO WE'D HAVE TO CHOOSE TO ANSWER. RIGHT NEXT TO HILLTOP. YEAH. ISN'T THAT THE. I DON'T THINK SO. IT'S THE ETJ. NO, I THINK THAT'S CLOSER TO THE RED LINE WHERE IT GOES TO TRAVIS COUNTY. RIGHT? ISN'T IT? THAT'S THE COUNTY LINE. THE RED LINE WITH THE YELLOW LINE IS THE OTHER. YEAH. OKAY. BUT WE CAN'T HAVE STUFF IN OUR CIP FOR ETJ. RIGHT. AND SO BASICALLY SO ONCE WE GET NOTIFIED OR SOMEBODY'S GOING TO MAKE A MOVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, THEN WE HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD THERE. SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO THEM AND THEY WANT TO DISCUSS ANNEXATION, WE HAVE EVERYTHING LAID OUT AND THAT WAY. BUT THEN HOW DO WE TELEGRAPH WHO WE NEED TO TELEGRAPH IT TO THEM? BY HAVING OUR PLAN UP TO THE EDGE OF WHEREVER WE'RE GOING. YEAH. SO IT SPECIFICALLY IN REFERENCE TO CIP AND THOSE THINGS THING. SO AS WE ANNEX IN THERE'LL BE ZONING PROCESSES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING A CIP UPDATE AND REVISION PROCESS AS WE GO AS WELL. SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING ALL OF THOSE PIECES IN THAT PROCESS. AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. FACTORED INTO THEIR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THEM AT THE END. WHEN CAN WE START DOING THAT? RIGHT? WE START DOING THAT TODAY. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. DID Y'ALL HAVE MORE OPTIONS THAT YOU WERE PLANNING ON BRINGING US? NO. FOR LIKE GOING FORWARD, NOTHING. SO THEN I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS, BECAUSE THAT STRETCH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE TWO CURVES, I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND NO, IT'S NOT SAFE. HOW HOW DID WE APPROVE IT AND HOW DO WE CHANGE WHATEVER STANDARDS WE'RE WORKING ON TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? AND THIS PREDATES YOU? I KNOW IT PREDATES YOU. IT'S NOT AN ATTACK. I UNDERSTAND. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT EXPANDING TO 80, IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT WAS CREATED THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE THIS SPLIT SIGNAL BASICALLY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LAKELINE BOULEVARD GO THROUGH. AND INSTEAD OF IT BEING A T INTERSECTION, IT'S GOING TO ARE A CROSS INTERSECTION. IT'LL BE TWO T'S BASICALLY. AND SO YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO TWO SIGNALS THAT'LL BE COORDINATED THERE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO IN ORDER FOR THAT TO FUNCTION IN THE ULTIMATE CONDITION. BUT I MEAN, WHAT IS THE STANDARD THAT ALLOWED THAT BLIND CURVE WITH A ROAD THAT JUST COMES STRAIGHT INTO IT NOW? YEAH, THAT WAS THE WAY THE ROAD WAS. THE COUNTY ROAD WAS BUILT PREVIOUSLY THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE THE CURVE WAS, BUT THE NEW ROAD THAT JUST COMES STRAIGHT INTO IT ON THE BEND, BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT THAT THAT MADE A BAD SITUATION WORSE. OKAY. SO THAT I REMEMBER THAT THEY THAT'S A TEMPORARY ROAD. BASICALLY THAT CONNECTION IS TEMPORARY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT AND THE REASON WHY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WAS ALLOWED IS BECAUSE THE PERMANENT CONNECTION WAS FURTHER SOUTH ON LAKELINE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO BUILD LAKELINE. SO IT WAS NEGOTIATED THAT THEY BUILD IT AT THAT POINT. SO THERE WE GO. LIKE WHY DIDN'T WE JUST REQUIRE THEM TO BUILD THAT PART OF LAKELAND? LIKE, I KNOW IT WOULDN'T CONNECT ALL THE WAY, BUT IT WOULD SLOW THINGS DOWN AND IT WOULD KEEP FROM HAVING THAT DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. THAT ONE WAS NEGOTIATED THAT WAY WITH THAT HILLTOP. OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE DO IN THE INTERIM? SO IT HAD SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LANDOWNER THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH TO DO THE COUNTY ROAD 280 REALIGNMENT. SO WE JUST NEED TO PUT TOGETHER AN ALIGNMENT AND A PROPOSAL TO THEM FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN AND THEN REALLY A SCHEDULE, A SAVVY PROJECT AND KIND OF ROLL IT IN. I THINK IT'S A PRIORITY CORRIDOR FOR US. THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FURTHER DOWN HAS A, I GUESS, A PRIVATE ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT IS PLANNED TO BE DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC ROAD A LITTLE BIT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THERE'S A CONNECTION. SO THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE NEED TO GET TO 80 FROM WOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE COULD, COULD CONNECT DOWN THROUGH THERE. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPENNESS TO CONSIDER A PROPOSAL BY THE CITY TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM THEM. SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT PULLED TOGETHER AND [03:00:01] APPROACH THAT LANDOWNER, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY AVAILABLE. ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH THAT DIRECTION? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD IN GETTING THAT ALIGNMENT DONE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE CURVES? SO THAT REALLY YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THE CURVE AT THIS POINT WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY YOU HAVE. SO YOU WOULD REALLY PROBABLY JUST LOOK AT EXPANDING MAYBE THE ROAD. AND RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT CURVE IS, IS A REALLY LARGE CULVERT. YEAH. THAT TOP NORTH ONE, THAT'S THE WORST ONE. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT TIGHT IS THEY PROBABLY MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CULVERT THEY HAD TO PUT IN. SO IF YOU EXPANDED THAT CULVERT, MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING THERE AND MAKE IT A LITTLE WIDER AND A LITTLE HAVE A LITTLE MORE SWEEP THERE TO WHERE YOU WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, BE SO CONFINED IN THAT CURVE. BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE A CIP PROJECT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT? IT IS AND I THINK REALLY THE BETTER FIX WOULD BE THE LAKELINE EXTENSION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S I THINK REALLY KIND OF THE ULTIMATE THING TO FIX IT. WE'RE AND PEOPLE WILL GO OUT THE MORE SAFE I THINK MORE ACCESS WHICH WOULD BE OVER AND DOWN VERSUS TRYING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT. YEAH, IT'D BE MUCH BETTER. DO WE KNOW IF WE HAVE OTHER AREAS IN TOWN THAT ARE TURNING OUT LIKE THIS? LIKE, THIS COULD BE THE FIRST ONE OF SEVERAL. DO WE KNO, HAVE WE ASSESSED ANY? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT LIKE LONESTAR LANDING IS PROBABLY AN AREA OF CONCERN BECAUSE CRYSTAL FALLS HASN'T BEEN BUILT. SO I COULD SEE THAT AS ONE. IT'LL BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S STILL PROBABLY A CONCERN. MAYBE WILD SPRINGS, WHERE THOSE TWO COME TOGETHER AS WELL. YEAH, WITH LUNA AS YOU GO FURTHER UP THAN IN WEST OF HERE IS ANOTHER LAKELINE ADJACENT TRACT. YEP. SULLIVAN TRACT. YEAH. AND I MEAN IN THAT, IN THAT CASE THEY'RE LOOKING AT LIKE FOUR INTERCONNECTIONS. SO A CONNECTION TO BAGDAD AND FOUR INNER SUBDIVISION PIECES. YEAH. WHAT IS IT? OAK HILLS. IS THAT OKLAHOMA? ONE OF THEM. YEAH. NAMELESS ROAD IS PROBABLY ONE THAT I THINK ABOUT A LOT. I THINK TWO, THE ONE THAT THAT WE JUST DID LAST YEAR NORTH OF BRYSON. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NAME OF THAT ONE WAS BETWEEN BRYSON AND THAT COUNTY ROAD. YEAH. I GABRIEL, THAT MIGHT BE IT. YEAH. WE HAVE THAT PART THAT GABRIEL. BUT IT'S THE IT WAS THE POINTY ONE. THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WAS ON THE COUNTY ROAD THAT NOBODY KNEW IF ANYBODY ELSE. RIVA RIDGE THAT WAS HIGH GABRIEL. THAT'S HIGH GABRIEL. SO YEAH. CAN WE MAYBE. GET A MEMO OF THE OPTIONS? I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE WE HAVE A FIRE OPTION THAT CAN HELP, BUT ALSO PAGE THE LEGAL OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE I REALLY DO. I HAVE A HARD TIME RAISING MY HAND ANYMORE FOR SOME OF THESE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE ARE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FULFILL. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY OPTIONS ARE WHEN MY GUT SAYS THAT I'M CREATING AN UNSAFE SITUATION, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ROSS. WELL, AND I GUESS WHAT RUBS ME A LITTLE BIT IS LIKE THAT WE LOWERED OUR STANDARDS IN A NEGOTIATION FOR A ROAD AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST. AND IF AND I THINK WITH THE REDOING THE CIP AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, JUST FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, LIKE THAT'S THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN OPTION IF THAT HAD BEEN. AND I KNOW THOSE THINGS DON'T COME TO US. AND IT WAS PROBABLY YEARS AGO, BUT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T LOWER OUR STANDARDS AND WE CAN'T PUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY IN JEOPARDY FOR A NEGOTIATION. AND WE SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO OUR GUNS THEN. AND I THINK IT ALSO CAME DOWN TO A PROPORTIONALITY ON LIKE, AND IT MAY BE AND I GET ALL THAT AND IT HAS TO BE BECAUSE IF I'M. YEAH. YEAH, TOTALLY. AND IT'S GOT TO FIT WITHIN ALL THAT. AND IF I'M DEVELOPING THE LAND, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY MORE THAN MY OBLIGATION. RIGHT. SO I GET ALL THAT. BUT IF THERE'S A BUT WHEN WE'RE DOING ALL THAT, IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF IT THAT THAT THAT WE'RE NOT. FOREGOING THE QUALITY OR THE, THE FUTURE OF THE CITY WHEN WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT FITS IN THE IN THE BIG PICTURE SO THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING SAFETY PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT IT'S ALSO GOOD TO NOTE THAT WE ARE EVOLVING AS A CITY. SO WHEN GREATWOOD WAS HAPPENING, WE WERE IN A DIFFERENT SPOT. WE WANTED LARGE LOTS. SO STAFF'S BEEN TASKED WITH GET TO YES. HOW DO YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN? AND THEN WE NEED TO LET GO OF THAT MENTALITY. AND [03:05:03] THAT'S THAT'S DIFFICULT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND IT DOES CHANGE. AND AS A CITY GROWS IT DOES. AND I THINK WE ARE MAKING GREAT STRIDES AS A CITY TO BE ABLE INSTEAD OF LOOKING DIRECTLY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US THAT WE'RE LOOKING TEN, 15, 20 YEARS OUT AHEAD, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. I'M SURE THAT WAS THE BEST DECISION AT THE TIME, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE WERE TAKING THE FUTURE OF THE CITY INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WERE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED AT GREATWOOD. YEAH, BEFORE WE MOVED TO THE OTHERS. IT'S JUST WE WERE IN THAT TRANSITION LIMBO, SO THERE'S NO JUDGMENT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT BUT I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS OF REMOVING THE SILOS AND THE DEPARTMENTS TALKING MORE AND CREATING A PRIORITIZED CIP AND HAVING THE ROADS A PART OF THAT. I THINK ALL OF THAT SPEAKS TO WE'VE GOT TO CONSIDER ALL THE THINGS WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, NOT JUST THE ONE LITTLE THING. SO I THINK IT ALL MOVES. BUT WE FOR NOW, WE JUST HAVE TO DEAL AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO GET AROUND IT, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE ULTIMATE PLACE, WHICH WOULD BE LAKELAND GOING NORTH SOUTH HERE. I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO, WHETHER IT'S SAFE ROADS OR POLICE AND FIRE ACCESS OR CLEAN WATER, LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE THAT WE HAVE. AND SO YEAH, I AGREE, WE SHOULDN'T BE NEGOTIATING AWAY SAFETY FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THE FUTURE ONES. COUNCIL. ANYTHING ELSE? JUST ONE THING. THIS IS LEANDER. THEN THERE'S LIBERTY HILL. LIKE ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IN ANY OF OUR PLANNING? AND I KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT AT LEAST FROM A CONSULTATIVE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT THE PLANS ARE NORTH OF US AND EAST OF US AND WEST OF US. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE CAN DO ALL OF THIS AND FEEL VERY SECURE THAT WE'VE SOLVED THE ISSUE FOR LEANDER. BUT THEN LIBERTY HILL DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT? AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUR GREAT SOLUTION DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE, RIGHT? SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH, I GUESS, THE CIP, AS I START TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE ACRONYMS, THAT WE HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION ON THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES AS WELL, ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT, WE CAN TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT, I WOULD THINK. RIGHT OR AM I WRONG? THAT THE COUNTY HAS A PLAN AND THEN A REGIONAL PLAN, AND WE PLUG INTO THAT AS. AND THEN THE LIBERTY HILL PLUGS INTO IT AND EVERYBODY PLUGS INTO IT FOR THE, FOR THEIR ARTERIALS. AND WE DO TAKE THAT STEP INTO MORE REGIONAL PLANNING INTO CONSIDERATION. SO, SO THE COUNTY PIECE IS, IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF ALL OF THIS TYPE OF PLANNING. RIGHT. AND I'M ASSUMING AGAIN, HISTORICALLY THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THESE ORIGINAL DECISIONS WERE MADE. RIGHT. BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS AS WELL FROM THE LATEST LEGISLATURE OR THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATURE, THERE'S EVEN MORE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. RIGHT. WE KNOW THAT LANDOWNERS RULE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW THAT. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE REALLY, REALLY EDUCATED JUDGMENTS GOING FORWARD TO PROVIDE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS FOR THESE ISSUES SO THAT WE HAVE GUIDANCE GOING FORWARD 15, 20 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, SO THAT DEVELOPERS COME IN AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE WANTING TO DO. AND THERE'S NOT QUESTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK AROUND IT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, 100% UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THEIR THEIR FOCUS. THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE REVENUE. THEY GOT TO MAKE A PROFIT. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK MAYORS SPOKEN TO THIS, AND I THINK OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SPOKEN TO THIS. ULTIMATELY, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENRY WHO LIVE HERE AND INVEST HERE LONG TERM. THOSE GUYS ARE COMING IN MAKING THE MONEY AND THEY'RE LEAVING AND THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT AFTER THAT, WHICH IS NOT A KNOCK ON THEM. THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. BUT I THINK WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT THIS AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND IF IT TAKES MORE TIME TO DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. I THINK THAT'S OKAY. LET'S NOT RUSH THIS RIGHT. WE HAVE NEEDS AND WE'RE GOING TO FEEL THE PRESSURE TO GET THIS SOLVED QUICKLY. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE CAN KIND OF TAKE A REAL, REAL CONSIDERED APPROACH TO. AND IF YOU GUYS COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED ANOTHER THREE MONTHS TO FIGURE THIS OUT, I, FOR ONE WOULD SAY, TAKE THE THREE MONTHS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. QUICK [03:10:07] QUESTION. YOU SAID THIS WAS FROM A NEGOTIATION. WHO SIGNS OFF ON THAT? LIKE, DOES THAT LIVE AND DIE IN ENGINEERING OR DOES IT GO UP THE CHAIN SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COME TO US? THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR BOTH, WHERE IT CONTEMPLATED A FEE IN LIEU OF THE ROAD THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. I THINK I DO REMEMBER THIS ONE. NO, THE OTHER THING. AND YOU WANT TO KNOW THE WHOLE PICTURE, BUT THE PICTURE IS ALWAYS CHANGING BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL, THE DEVELOPER CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO BE IN THE COUNTY OR STAY IN THE ETJ OR BE ANNEXED AND WHAT RULES THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW. AND SO IN A LOT OF CASES, WE'RE REACTING. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ONE SECTION THERE, AND THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THEY COULD DECIDE NOT TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY, AND THEY COULD JUST DROP THEIR STUFF RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY AND, AND, AND DO WHAT THEY WANT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE COUNTY. OR WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES. SO WHILE WE WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, IT'S VERY HARD BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE WHAT THEIR SOLUTION IS FOR THEM. AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR CONSUMERS THAT BUY THEIR STUFF, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE MUDS POP UP. WE HAVE KIDS IN OUR CITY. YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD JUST IF WE HAD MAGIC MONEY AND WE JUST PAID IT ALL OFF AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SEND THEM A BILL EVERY YEAR, THAT WOULD BE NICE. BUT THAT'S THE REALITY OF THIS. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO THAT. SO I THINK IF WE IF WE KIND OF LAY OUT THAT STRUCTURE OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME IN, WE CAN WE CAN KIND OF NAIL DOWN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THE OTHER PART IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS OF WHERE HOUSING IS GOING AND ALL THAT, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE IN OUR EARLIER PART. BUT ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE WHERE OUR HOUSE VALUE IS GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME PROJECTIONS WITH SOME PRETTY MODEST GROWTH WITH NEW THINGS COMING ON. AND IS THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN? AND ARE THESE DIVISIONS SUBDIVISIONS GOING TO SELL OUT? ARE THEY GOING TO BUILD A FEW HOUSES OR IN KIND OF PETER OUT. AND SO THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T COME, THE GROWTH DOESN'T COME AND ALL THAT. AND SO I KIND OF I FEEL LIKE YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE THERE. BUT I ALSO KIND OF WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WHAT, 25 SUBDIVISIONS I THINK PROBABLY GOING UP IN THE CITY AND, AND ARE THEY ALL GOING TO END UP BEING 10% BUILD OUTS AND THEN TAKE EIGHT YEARS TO FINISH OUT? AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE GROWTH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO, YOU KNOW. AND SO I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID TO SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE NEED TO SLOW THAT DOWN OR POINT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO DO THIS, BUT ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT OUT AND EVERYTHING? SO BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL. ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF. SO TO RECAP ON THAT, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AT TECHNICAL STANDARDS, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT LEGAL OPTIONS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ALSO BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT THE OTHER POLICY PIECES SUCH AS CIP AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AND TRYING TO ZONE IN ON AREAS THAT WE EXPECT. YES, THAT THESE NEEDS ARE ARISING. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HOPE FOR IS, IS THAT WE CAN KIND OF ANTICIPATE WHERE WE HAVE THESE PROBLEMS BEFORE IT'S DONE. OKAY. YEAH. AND YEAH. ANY ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WE CAN DO THAT HELP OKAY. JUST ONE OTHER POINT. I KNOW THAT WITH THE WATER PHASING THAT WE DO, IS THAT PART OF THIS CONSIDERATION AS WELL? AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A I'M JUST SAYING THEORETICALLY A PHASED DEVELOPMENT AT HILLTOP, THEY BUILD THE SECTION OUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT READY TO WE'RE NOT READY TO MOVE IT FORWARD. THEN WE CAN USE THAT AS A VEHICLE TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THIS. RIGHT. MAYBE WE CAN'T DO THAT OKAY. THAT'S A FORM OF A MORATORIUM. SO WE'D HAVE TO WE COULD DO IT, BUT WE'D HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM. ANY FINAL THOUGHTS, MR. CITY MANAGER? YEAH. THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR ALL THE WORK AND PULLING ALL THIS TOGETHER. THEY IT WAS A LOT OF FUN KIND OF WORKING THROUGH AND DOING IT. SO I ENJOYED IT. I KNOW THEY DID TOO. SO AND THEN THANK YOU ALL. I KNOW THIS IS A COMMITMENT OF TIME. WE TOOK YOU AWAY FROM WORK AND A LOT OF THINGS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THIS TIME AND GIVING US DIRECTION. AND I HAVE THE SAME THOUGHTS. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THE TIME AND EFFORT. I KNOW WE PULLED YOU OFF OF OTHER PROJECTS YOU COULD HAVE BEEN DOING, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS AND [03:15:02] PUTTING UP WITH WITH US AND OUR QUESTIONS AND MY EMOTIONS ON THIS LAST ITEM. BUT THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. W * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.