[1. Open Meeting.] [00:00:08] WE READY TO CALL OURSELVES IN TO ORDER, SIR? OKAY. WE'RE HERE TO CALL THE LEANDER FIREFIGHTER ASSOCIATION AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING MEETING TO ORDER AT 8:10 A.M. ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2025. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. GOOD MORNING. IT'S GOOD. THIS IS OUR OUR FIRST MEETING. AND I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST ONE AND KICKS US OFF ON OUR 60 DAY WINDOW TO WORK [2. Affirm and execute the final draft of the Collective Bargaining Ground Rules.] THROUGH OUR NEGOTIATIONS. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO DO THAT. I THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WAS TO AFFIRM AND EXECUTE THE FINAL DRAFT OF OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING GROUND RULES. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT OUR FINAL DRAFT HERE. DARREN WAS ABLE TO GO BACK THROUGH, I THINK, AND MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. SO IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO FORMALLY WE'VE GOT TWO PART COMPANIES HERE. SO LET'S EXECUTE THAT. AND THEN EACH SIDE WILL KEEP A COPY. OH OKAY I GUESS WE HAVE TO. OH THERE WE GO. WOW I FEEL LIKE A ROCK STAR NOW. EXCUSE ME. THERE'S A SIDE. OF EXTRA PINS IF Y'ALL NEED. THERE YOU GO. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE TWO MORE SPARES AND TWO HIGHLIGHTERS WE CAN SHARE. THAT'S GREAT. CITY MANAGER IRVING SHOWED UP WITH NO PAIN. NO PAIN, NOTHING. I GAVE YOU SOME PAPER TO. I'LL HAVE SOME. I'LL SHARE MY PAPER WITH YOU TO. I'LL WRITE ON THE. I'LL WRITE ON THE BACK. YOU CAN WRITE ON THE FRONT. OKAY? OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHIEF. IT'S MY SPECIAL SON HERE. DON'T MESS AROUND. IT'S NOT. CHRISTMAS. OH. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE UP. NO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. ALL [3. Receive and discuss Leander Professional Fire Fighter Association, Local 4298 Proposal and any other related matters.] RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR THE THIRD ITEM, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE AND DISCUSS. LEANDER PROFESSIONAL FIRE ASSOCIATION LOCAL 4298 PROPOSAL AND ANY OTHER RELATED MATTERS. SO TURN IT OVER TO YOU GUYS FIRST. I GUESS WE'LL ADDRESS THE WHAT WHAT WE CALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROPOSALS DEFINITIONS. OF AGREEMENT KIND OF BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE THAT THAT'S IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY AGREEMENT. ON THE DEFINITIONS. I MEAN, WE CAN ADD AS WE GO ALONG OR DELETE OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, BUT THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL AND THE DEFINITIONS AND. FIRST COUPLE PAGES ARE DEFINITIONS. SO WAS THERE ANYTHING PARTICULARLY THAT YOU [00:05:01] WANTED TO CALL OUT OR HIGHLIGHT ON THE DEFINITION SLIDE? ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR NOTE THERE IS CRITICAL WAS CRITICAL. YES. NO NOT REALLY I MEAN THIS IS A. THERE ARE A LOT OF DEFINITIONS HERE. GOTCHA. YEAH. SO BASICALLY WE WENT THROUGH AND KIND OF GRABBED EVERY DEFINITION WE WE THOUGHT WAS APPLICABLE TO THIS. AND WE MAY RUN INTO A DOUBT AND SOME OF IT MAY NOT EVEN BE IN HERE. BUT IF IT WERE TO BE ADDED LATER ON, IT'S ALREADY THERE, YOU KNOW, PROBATIONARY FIREFIGHTER, PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION, PREEMPTION, ALL THAT STUFF. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT HERE AND GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM, IF YOU'D LIKE, JUST TO MAKE SURE. YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DEFINITIONS AS WE'VE SPELLED THEM OUT IN THERE. YEAH. I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR TERMS OR ANY PARTICULAR DEFINITIONS OF NOTE THAT ARE KIND OF CRITICAL OR KIND OF FOUNDATIONAL TO ANY KIND OF CRITICAL ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSAL. JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I MEAN, IT'S SOME CONTRACTS, COMMISSION DATE IS WHEN YOU KNOW, THAT FIREFIGHTER STARTS ACTUALLY WORKING HERE SO THAT WE CAN IT ADDRESSES SENIORITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO. LIKE. UNDER DATE OF HIRE HIRE DATE HOW WE'VE KIND OF SPELLED THAT OUT. IT'S THE DATE THAT FIREFIGHTER TRAINEE FIRST ATTENDS THE DEPARTMENT ORIENTATION TRAINING BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THEY'RE NOT CIVIL SERVICE FIREFIGHTER. THEY'RE JUST A FIREFIGHTER IN TRAINING. YEAH. SO THE NOTICE OF DATED COMMISSION IS DEFINED AS THE DATE THAT THEY TAKE THE OATH OF SERVICE IN THE DEPARTMENT. USUALLY THAT'S JUST A CEREMONIAL THING THAT WE'RE DOING. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE THAT WAY, BECAUSE IT ALSO TIES BACK TO THE ANNIVERSARY DATE THAT THAT WOULD BE WHEN THAT IS. SO I DIDN'T KNOW I KNOW WE'VE GOT A HIRE DATE. WE'VE GOT THE DATE THAT THEY GET OUT OF ORIENTATION OR DO THE BADGE PINNING. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE DATE THAT THEY'RE OFF OF PROBATION, WHICH COULD BE EITHER 12 MONTHS OR 18 MONTHS DEPENDING ON WHETHER THEY'RE CERTIFIED OR NOT CERTIFIED WHEN THEY COME ON, I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IDENTIFY WHEN THAT, THAT THAT OCCURS. YEAH. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD KNOW THIS DATE IS WHEN THE, THE EMPLOYEE, THE FIREFIGHTER WAS HIRED OR IS NOW YOU KNOW IT PERTAINS TO SENIORITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YEAH. YEAH. ON SENIORITY WOULD IT BE EASIER JUST TO GO OFF OF HIRE DATE FOR FOR THAT WHEN THEY'RE HIRED AS A FIREFIGHTER? I KNOW WE'VE WE MAY HAVE A CITY EMPLOYEE THAT MAY APPLY AND GET HIRED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHEN YOU STARTED AS A FIREFIGHTER ROLE, WHETHER IT'S A TRAINEE OR CERTIFIED OR I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THAT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU WANT TO TAKE THESE AND AND LOOK THEM OVER AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THEM. I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL STANDARD, I THINK. GO BACK TO WHAT CHIEF IS SAYING IS. NOW THAT WE'RE HIRING NON-CERTIFIED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S FOR SIX MONTHS, THAT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR SENIORITY UNTIL YOU'RE CERTIFIED, DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR SENIORITY FROM WHEN YOU'RE CERTIFIED BY WHAT THE STANDARD IN CIVIL SERVICE IS MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE YOU WOULD BEGIN. IS THAT TIME? SO I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO TO ME, I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON WHEN WE COUNT FOR SENIORITY PURPOSES. SO IF WE WANT TO GO OFF OF HIRE DATE OR OFF OF WHEN THEY GET OFF PROBATION, IT'S JUST WE'VE GOT PROBATION IS DEFINED. WE'VE GOT A COMMISSION DATE. SO IT'S JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF. AND THAT WAY WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT THAT DATE IS. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DECIDED RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU LOOK AT THEM? WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LEND TO TO THEM TOGETHER IN THE ONE OR INSTEAD OF THREE DEFINITIONS, MAYBE THERE'S ONE DEFINITION WITH THREE SENTENCES. OR MAYBE WE JUST DEFINE SENIORITY. IT'S USUALLY DEFINITIONS ARE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP A RUNNING TRACK OF AND AND TOWARDS THE END WE CAN WE CAN, YOU KNOW FROM THOSE THERE'S, THERE MAY BE SOME THAT CAN THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO BE ADDED, SOME THAT MAY NEED TO BE DELETED. YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE, I THINK THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE DATE OF HIGHER, HIGHER DATE IS STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT AS THE STANDARD FIRE DATE LIKE IT IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE [00:10:02] AND THEN HAVE THE SENIORITY OR OR WHATEVER A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT REFERENCE, DIFFERENT DEFINITION. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S FOUR SECTIONS IN THE DEFINITION. SO WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO WORK THROUGH. AND MAYBE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE BODY OF THE DOCUMENT IT MAY BECOME MORE CLEAR. BUT COMMISSION DATE. DATE OF HIRE OR HIRE DATE ANNIVERSARY DATE. YEAH. FIREFIGHTER. AND THEN FIREFIGHTER TRAINEE OR TRAINEE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE ONES WE JUST NEED TO PROBABLY WORK THROUGH AND AND COORDINATE. YEAH OKAY. AND SOME MAY BE TERMS THAT YOU USE HERE. LIKE ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE DEFINITIONS STANDING STANDBY I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT ONE. DID YOU. YOU PULLED IT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE. WHICH ONE ARE YOU. BASICALLY A FANCY TERM FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE PASSED THE TEST AND ARE ON THE LIST. RANKINGS LIST. AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO REFLECT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS AND SAYING INSTEAD OF SAYING ON. YEAH, I THINK I JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW IT'S USED. SO THERE'S A DEFINITION TO ME IS KIND OF CONFUSING. AGAIN, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT IT. IT ADDRESS IT AS WE MOVE ON. YEAH. I THINK IN ADDITION TO THOSE OTHER ONES WE HIGHLIGHTED, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT PROBATIONARY FIREFIGHTER AND KIND OF LOOK AT ALL THAT, BECAUSE I THINK ALL THAT IS KIND OF INTERTWINED OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I'LL MARK IT ON MINE AS WELL OKAY. IS THERE IS THERE A DISTINCTION FOR THE STAFF FIREFIGHTER OR STAFF PERSONNEL. WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION THERE BETWEEN THAT AND THE OTHER FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS THAT WE'VE GOT DEFINED IN HERE. YEAH. STAFF. YEAH. SO WE HAVE STAFF FIREFIGHTER OR STAFF PERSONNEL. AND IT SAYS FIREFIGHTER ASSIGNED TO A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK. BUT BUT HOW HOW IS THAT. OH OKAY OKAY. GOTCHA. IS THAT HOW YOU IDENTIFY STAFF AND SUPPRESSION OR OPERATIONS AND ADMINISTRATION. WE USUALLY SAY OPS AND ADMIN OR SOMETHING. WE CAN WE CAN EITHER WAY, AS LONG AS IT'S DEFINED, WE CAN EITHER MAKE IT STAFF OR ADMIN OR. YEAH, WE USUALLY SAY ADMIN ASSIGNMENT OR WE CAN CHANGE THAT WORDING TO ADMIN IF THAT'D BE EASIER FOR YOU ALL TO. THANKS FOR MAKING THAT ENGLISH CHIEF. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS ON DEFINITIONS? ANYTHING ELSE? SO [00:15:10] IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE OF THE DEFINITION, YOU'LL BE MORE CLARIFICATION THING FIRE CHIEF, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS IN HERE. SHIFT WHICH IS JUST 24 HOURS AT 48 HOUR TOUR. IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH HOW THAT'S SPELLED OUT. AND THEN THAT LAST ONE TOUR, MEANING 48 HOURS FOR AN OPERATIONAL. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS ARTICLE ONE. AND AGAIN, THESE ARTICLES, YOU KNOW, COULD BE PLACEHOLDERS FOR NOW. YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEED TO RENUMBER TOWARDS THE END. BUT WE PROPOSED THIS AS ARTICLE ONE IS THE PURPOSE OF THE AGREEMENT. AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE. I GOT A CALL COMING IN. DO YOU MIND IF I STEP OUT FOR A MINUTE? OKAY, THANKS. TRADITION. THANK YOU. APOLOGIZE. NO. NO PROBLEM. I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY, MAN. IT'S AN ARTICLE ONE. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR. NO, NOT. NOT TO ME. YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD OKAY. ARTICLE TWO. PROPOSED ARTICLE TWO IS AUTHORITY AND TERM. GOING THROUGH THIS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DATE. I JUST KIND OF THREW YOUR DATE IN THERE FOR [00:20:01] NOW. THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW WE CAN AGREE ON AT A LATER TIME, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER. OKAY. SO IT'S REALLY THIS IS KIND OF ON THE SECTION TWO. IT'S REALLY KIND OF ALIGNING IT WITH THE FISCAL YEAR HERE, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. LET'S KIND OF LOOK AT THE CALENDAR AND LOOK AT WHAT OUR TIMELINE WOULD BE. BECAUSE IF WE IF WE DON'T GET AN ADOPTION UNTIL AFTER OCTOBER 1ST FOR 25, WE'D BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY AT MAYBE A SHORTENED TERM TO TO FOR THE LINE. SO IF WE GET INTO NOVEMBER 1ST, LET'S SAY THAT'S WHAT WE GET TO FINAL. SO IT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE EXCEPTION DATE OR I GUESS THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 27. BUT THAT WOULD BE YES, THAT WORKS. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. OR IF THERE'S NOTHING FINANCIAL LIKE A THE ADMIN PORTIONS OF IT AS OF OCTOBER 1ST AND DURING THE DATE. AND THAT CAN RUN A TURN. OR WE COULD ADOPT IT NOVEMBER 1ST AND RUN THE TERM UNTIL THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR YOU ALL. THE GOAL OF TRYING TO SET IT THAT WAY. OR I KNOW YOU DO MEET WITH ANY SIDE AS WELL, IS TO DO BARGAINING IN DIFFERENT YEARS. SO IT'S NOT HAVING BOTH GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. BUT I MEAN, TO ME WE'RE WELL, WE'LL DO IT EITHER WAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE RUNNING FISCALS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR COMPENSATION PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT REALLY ACROSS THE BROAD ORGANIZATION. AND SO I THINK WITH ENOUGH LEAD TIME TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND DO NEGOTIATIONS, I THINK WE COULD WE COULD MANAGE ALL THOSE THINGS BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE GENEROUS ON TIMELINES THAN, THAN VERY GENEROUS. SO YEAH. SO WE'LL JUST PRIORITIZE THAT. DEFINITELY. NOW WE'RE PROPOSING A TWO YEAR AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THIS YEAR HOPEFULLY UNTIL IT RUNS THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WHENEVER WE DECIDE MOST FIRST CONTRACTS I'VE DONE THE FIRST CONTRACT. THAT WAS A YEAR. AND THOSE ARE CHALLENGING BECAUSE NINE MONTHS LATER YOU'RE BACK AT THE TABLE. STANDARD IS THREE YEARS. SO WE JUST FINISHED THEM UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO A FOUR YEAR BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'RE BUDGETING CYCLE. SO I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AS WE MOVE ALONG. THESE ARE LIKE FACEBOOK AUDIENCE. YEAH I GOT OPEN TO THREE YEAR. WOULD BE COULD BE YES. THAT'S AND WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT AS WE GO OKAY OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST GO. SO SO WE'LL GO FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT TO WHATEVER. IF 2 OR 3 YEAR KIND OF TERM, FISCAL YEAR, WHATEVER DATE OKAY. WE DECIDE WE DECIDE. YEAH I JUST SAY FISCAL YEAR I KNOW WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER FOR YOU. AND I THINK IT'S MORE WE BASE EVERYTHING OFF THAT ANYWAY. YEAH. JUST MAKES IT EASIER ALL THE WAY AROUND. YEAH. THE ONE THING I'D SAY ON A TWO YEAR IS THAT IT TWO YEARS GOES BY FAST. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE WE'LL BE SITTING DOWN IN 6 TO 9 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF TALKING SOME MORE. SO JUST KIND OF JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT IF WE NEED, IF WE, WE GET A GOOD TERM, WE FEEL SOLID WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING IF WE WANT TO TAKE THAT TO THAT POINT. BUT BUT FOR Y'ALL THAT THE NEED TO DO THE NEGOTIATIONS ON PD AND FIRE WITHIN THE SAME YEAR, THAT'S OKAY WITH US SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT. SO OTHER THAN JUST A SECTION TWO THERE WITH THE DATES, LIKE I SAID, THROWN IN THERE BOILERPLATE AND YOU GO WITH THAT SECTION ONE. YEAH. WE MAY WANT TO INSTEAD OF TEN DAYS. WOULD THAT BE INTENDED TO BE TEN BUSINESS DAYS. THE DEFINITION IN FRONT IT'S 8 TO 5 IS A BUSINESS DAY. THAT WOULD INCLUDE A HOLIDAY OKAY. I THEN YOU'RE STARTING TO GET INTO THE SAME THING WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS WHERE HOLIDAYS CAN'T COUNT TOWARDS THOSE DAYS. AND IF WE NEED TO ADD BUSINESS DAY [00:25:03] INTO THIS SECTION, JUST TO MENTION THE DEFINITION. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE AS WE POST AGENDAS NOW WE'VE GOT THE THREE BUSINESS DAY, THREE FULL BUSINESS DAY POSTING BEFORE WE CAN DO AGENDAS AND ALL THAT. SO THAT ONLY GIVES US AND OUR WEEKENDS DON'T COUNT TOWARDS THOSE DAYS. SO WE'RE VERY CONSTRAINED. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT BUSINESS DAY TO THAT. SO WITHIN TEN BUSINESS DAYS AFTER THE RECEIPT. THE STATUTE REQUIRES, WE MAKE NOTIFICATION OF OUR INTENT TO BARGAIN 120 DAYS BEFORE THE END OF YOUR FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME TO, I GUESS, GET SET UP FOR ACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS. SO ON THE 30 DAY WINDOW. SO WE'VE GOT TEN DAYS NOTICE. WE'RE MEETING WITHIN THE FIRST 30 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST MEETING. SO TEN DAY NOTICE COMES IN. WE HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING TO DISCUSS TOPICS THAT AGENDA AND TIME. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FIRST BARGAINING SESSION WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THAT. OKAY OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO SAY 30 CALENDAR DAYS ON THIS ONE JUST TO MAKE SURE OKAY. DO WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT WRITTEN NOTICE IS AS FAR AS LIKE ACCEPTABLE FORM OR. I DIDN'T NOTICE IT IN DEFINITIONS BUT. WE DON'T NEED TO IF YOU WANT TO I MEAN. I KNOW IN IN IN BEAUMONT IT WAS A BIG ISSUE. SO WE CAN. GET THAT EXPERIENCE. WRITTEN. NOTICE I MEAN EMAIL'S ACCEPTABLE FORM NOWADAYS. I MEAN THAT'S SUFFICES RIGHT. IT'S IT'S TIME STAMPED I MEAN IT'S IN THIS ELECTRONIC ERA. BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, HOW WOULD YOU GUYS FEEL IF WE AUDITED RECEIPT OF WRITTEN NOTICE VIA EMAIL OR HAND DELIVERED. CONTENT? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION OF PARTY OR PARTIES. SO I THINK WRITTEN NOTICE FROM THE UNION. THEN WE'VE GOT A DEFINITION OF UNION HERE. I THINK IT'S DEFINED AS ASSOCIATION. YEAH. AND I THINK I THINK I WRITE IN HERE SOMEWHERE THAT THE ASSOCIATION THEN THERE'S A TERM UNION THAT'S FURTHER DEFINED SOMEWHERE IN THE AGREEMENT. ARTICLE ONE NUMBERS TWO. UNION. SO DO WE NEED TO DEFINE WHO HAS AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT THE WRITTEN NOTICE. AND WE CAN. WE DON'T NEED TO I MEAN JUST. THE ASSOCIATION THE UNION EXECUTIVE THE EXECUTIVE BOARD IS WHAT SERVES AS THAT. HEAD OF THE BARGAINING UNIT. SO IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD MAKE IT, SAY, THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF LOCAL 4298 IS WHEN SUBMITTING IT. OR ARE YOU SAYING JUST THE [00:30:04] PERSON IN GENERAL? I WAS JUST THINKING SOMEBODY WHO'S DULY AUTHORIZED BY THE EXECUTIVE BOARD TO SUBMIT THAT, WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE PRESIDENT OR. BUT YEAH, JUST SOMEBODY WHO'S OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED TO SUBMIT THAT NOTICE FOR INITIATION. SO YOU WANT TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE TO SOMEBODY THAT'S DULY AUTHORIZED SOMEWHERE IN THE BODY HERE. YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. BY WRITTEN NOTICE OF DULY AUTHORIZED. REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNION MAYBE. OKAY. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE WITH THE SECOND SENTENCE IN THERE WITH THE TEN BUSINESS DAYS AFTER RECEIPT OF WRITTEN NOTICE, I JUST KIND OF PUT A LITTLE LINE IN THERE THAT SAYS VIA EMAIL OR IN-PERSON DELIVERY OF INTENT FROM THE UNION, THAT KIND OF CLARIFY THEM. WE KNOW WHAT'S NEEDED OVER EMAIL, OR WE CAN JUST HAND OVER A LETTER. I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE IDENTIFY THE INDIVIDUAL, THE DULY AUTHORIZED PERSON REPRESENTING THE UNION, AND THEN THEN IF IT'S COMING FROM THEM, THEN I THINK THAT I THINK THAT CATCHES IT. SO WE'RE TOLD IN BEAUMONT THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOESN'T READ HIS EMAILS. I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S DAYS IT'S HARD TO GET TO THEM, BUT YOU READ THEM EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? I MEAN, I HAVE SOMEBODY AT LEAST HELP ME READ THEM. YES. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO. YEAH. WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES WHEN WE CAUCUS AND THEN BRING IT BACK. YEAH. SO WE MAKE SURE IT'S ALL PRETTY THERE. ARTICLE THREE WOULD BE RECOGNITION. AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH LANGUAGE OUT OF THE STATUTE. OKAY OKAY. ARTICLE FIVE WOULD BE MAINTENANCE OF STANDARDS. AND THE INTENT IS, YOU KNOW, PROTECT OUR RIGHTS AS WELL AS RECOGNIZING MANAGEMENT RIGHTS. I THINK SECTION ONE, JUST ONE THING TO TO CALL ATTENTION TO AS WELL IS THAT WE ALSO, YEAH, I THINK ALSO NEED TO REFERENCE THE CITY CHARTER BECAUSE THERE'S SOME UNIQUE PROVISIONS IN THE CHARTER THAT APPLY TO PERSONAL POLICY AND LIMITATIONS. AND. APPOINTMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND WE'LL GET YOU I THINK I THINK THE CHART IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, BUT WE CAN GET YOU A DIGITAL COPY OF THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. [00:35:20] SO SHE'S GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, SECTION ONE ON THE LAST SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT ANY KIND OF WRITTEN MEMOS. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. AND THE THIRD SECTION THE LAST LINE ON THIS PAGE IS FIRST ALSO MEANS IOC'S WITH IOC. SO SO UNDER SECTION TWO PART OF I'M JUST NOODLING THROUGH MECHANICS OF IT. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING IS A COMPENSATION PROGRAM FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT OUR COMPENSATION PACKAGES ARE KEPT UP TO MARKET APPROPRIATE LEVELS. WE DON'T WANT TO FALL BEHIND LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST. SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT CURRENT. SO WITH THAT WOULD BE SOME COMPONENT OF ANNUALIZED BENCHMARKING AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AND WE TRY TO ADJUST IT AND MAKE SURE IT STAYS HEALTHY MOVING FORWARD. COMPONENTS LIKE THAT, IF IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH PROGRAMING AND WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THAT, THOSE KIND OF CHANGES ARE THINGS THAT, AS I'M READING THIS WOULD BE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE THE UNION TO AGREE TO THOSE ADJUSTMENTS POTENTIALLY OR NOT. YES AND NO. I MEAN WE CAN OR YOU CAN PROPOSE AN ARTICLE THAT THAT DEFINES THE THE WHAT YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE MARKET SURVEY. AND WE CAN AGREE ON LANGUAGE THAT THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE CONTRACT. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT MECHANISM ALREADY WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. YEAH. WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OR EVEN IF IN A SIX DAY WINDOW WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GET TO THE [00:40:03] THE FINAL DETAILS ON A COMPENSATION PROGRAM, WE COULD AT LEAST REFERENCE THAT WE WILL HAVE A COMPENSATION PROGRAM THAT'S MUTUALLY AGREED BETWEEN THE UNION AND THE CITY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT WOULD WORK. SO ON THAT ONE, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT A NOTE IN HERE THAT THAT WE CAN CREATE A PROVISION FOR DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING A COMPENSATION PROGRAM. SO IT'S GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS A NOTE. AND THEN JUST WE CAN IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN PULL SOME SOME INFORMATION. WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO MAYBE WE CAN PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER. THIS SOUNDS GOOD. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS ON SECTION TWO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ON THE INTERNET. MR. THAT THE IDRIVE AND YEAH. SO WE CURRENTLY STORE STUFF THERE, POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. WIDE ARRAY OF STUFF. THIS IS KIND OF CEMENTING THAT. YOU CAN HEAR ME, BUT AT SOME POINT HE'S GOING TO RETIRE. SO IT KIND OF HOLDS THAT IN PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY CAN'T JUST COME ALONG AND HE WINS. YOU KNOW 300 AND SOME MILLION. IT'S A LOTTERY RIGHT NOW. SO SUPER TIRED. AND IT'S THERE. IT DOESN'T JUST GO AWAY. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S KIND OF THE PURPOSE FOR THAT SECTION IS IT STILL HAS THAT ABILITY TO BE THERE. LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE A SHAREPOINT THAT HAS ALL THE INSURANCE STUFF AND STUFF UP THERE. WE HAVE AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL WHERE IF THEY SEND OUT SOME SORT OF BULLETIN, IT GOES IN THERE AND WE HAVE A CENTRAL LOCATION, GIVE IT A. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IT ON THE X DRIVE BECAUSE ON THE Y DRIVE THEN IT'S JUST DEPARTMENTAL LIKE WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR Y DRIVE. THIS IS MORE DEPARTMENTAL SPECIFIC STUFF. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND YOU NEED RESOURCES. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. SO THIS IS MORE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TRAINING STUFF IN THERE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND OPERATIONS STAFF. BUT OUR AFTER ACTIONS IN THEIR INCIDENTS, WE'VE RAN FOR LESSONS LEARNED, OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES MANUALS IN THERE. THE CITY POLICIES ARE IN THERE EXCEPT ONE CENTRAL LOCATION THE FIRE DEPARTMENT KNOWS TO GO THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS SO LIKE PERTAINING TO US IS RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW THE REST OF IT. WE CAN GO TO THE SHAREPOINT. IT'S OUR DRIVE TO GET INSURANCE RELATED WORKMAN'S COMP OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO WHAT I'M KIND OF THINKING IS OUR DRIVE STRUCTURE, OUR NETWORKING AND OUR INTERNET AND INTRANET SYSTEMS COULD CHANGE. THEY COULD CHANGE IF WE SPECIFICALLY CALL IT A SPECIFIC AVENUE FOR THAT, THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL CHANGE WITHIN TWO YEARS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET A NEW ERP. WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW KIND OF OVERALL CITYWIDE SOFTWARE SERVICES. THAT STRUCTURE COULD CHANGE. YEAH. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO A SHAREPOINT FOR EVEN FOR OUR DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND STUFF THAT WE ACCESS THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY NETWORK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE DRIVE OR SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE WE'RE A DEPARTMENT ACCESSIBLE DRIVE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD DRIVE FOR WHATEVER IS COMPARABLE. YEAH. OR COMPARABLE LIKE THAT. YEAH. JUST SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T. YEAH. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING TOO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A NEW IT DIRECTOR AND THEY MAY COME IN AND GO, OH, WE NEED TO RESTRUCTURE ALL THIS. AND NOW WE'RE F FOR FIRE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO BUT YEAH, I THINK JUST SOMETHING SAYING IT'S YOU KNOW, THE INTENT IS STILL KEPT. YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOT TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL THE EMPLOYEES INSTEAD OF YOU MEAN INSTEAD OF NAMING SPECIFICALLY A WIDE DRIVE, RIGHT. CALL IT. IT'LL BE POSTED AND ACCESSIBLE VIA, THE ELECTRONICALLY ACCESSIBLE OR SOMETHING GENERIC. YEAH, SOMETHING I WOULD SAY IT SHOULD BE POSTED IN, IN THE SAME PLACE THAT THOSE OTHER, YOU KNOW, POLICIES, PROGRAMS, BULLETINS ARE POSTED. IT SHOULD BE THERE AT THAT LOCATION. AND REMEMBER, THE DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO KNOW, I KNOW I CAN GO THERE AND I CAN GET THE UPDATED INFORMATION THERE SO THAT. I DON'T THINK HE CAN. I CAN'T KNOW IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENT, JUST KIND OF BROAD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SOPS, BULLETINS, THE RULES, ALL THAT STUFF. SO JUST SAYING, POSTING THE WIDE DRIVE WILL BE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH A DRIVE AND [00:45:05] THAT WOULD BE SHAREPOINT IS CONSIDERED A DRIVE. SO YOU TAKE THE LAYOUT AND JUST PUT, YOU KNOW, POST IT TO A DRIVE. AND THAT KIND OF MAKES IT A BROAD BIG THING, BUT IT'S STILL THERE. WE JUST DIDN'T NAME WHERE IT WAS. YEAH. AND THEN I'M TRYING TO JUST UNDERSTAND. SO WE GOT ALL DEPARTMENT SOPS, BULLETINS, RULES AND REGS ARE POSTED THERE. AND THEN ANY WRITTEN POLICIES. SHALL ALSO BE POSTED THERE IN A SEPARATE SECTION DESIGNATED FOR THE CITY OR DEPARTMENT POLICY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING IN ONE FOLDER VERSUS A SEPARATE FOLDER. SO LIKE NOW IF YOU LOOK WE HAVE FOLDER FOR POLICIES, FOLDER FOR PROCEDURES AND CITY POLICIES. SO IT JUST KIND OF WAS KIND OF BASED OFF OF THAT. IT BREAKS THEM DOWN INTO THREE DIFFERENT FOLDERS. SO IT'S NOT ALL IN ONE. AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT CERTAINLY TO WHERE ALL OF THEM CAN GO INTO ONE POLICY PROCEDURE FOLDER. YEAH. NO I LIKE HAVING THE THE DEPARTMENT POLICY PROCEDURES AND CITY POLICY. I THINK THAT WAY YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE TO GO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IT. AND JUST WITH THE SAYING ANY WRITTEN POLICIES THEN AS APPROVED BY THE PREVIOUS SECTION, WHICH COULD CHANGE A CITY POLICY WHEN THEY GO INTO THIS WRITTEN CITY OR DEPARTMENT POLICY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW. OR ARE YOU SAYING LIKE THIS WOULD BE THE MASTER KIND OF FOLDER AND THEN WE COULD SUBFOLDER IT UNDER IT? YES. OKAY, OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. THAT MAKES IT MORE CLEAR. HAVE YOU ALL STARTED USING ONEDRIVE? NOW? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TOWARDS THAT SHAREPOINT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO TIE US INTO ONEDRIVE FOR 2 OR 3 YEARS. SO COULD YOU CLARIFY. SO THE SECTION SAYS PROCESSES FOR THOSE SPECIFICALLY REFERRED TO ABOVE. SO WHAT CAN WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE REFERRING TO THERE UNDER SECTION THREE. THAT THAT SHOULD BE AMENDED TO REFERENCE US. REFER TO IN SECTION TWO ABOVE. YEAH. YEAH. OR MAYBE ARTICLE FIVE. SECTION TWO. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. SO KIND OF LOOKING UNDER SECTION TWO. SO I THINK IT'S THE THIRD SENTENCE IN PARAGRAPHS. IT SAYS ANY REVISIONIST PERSONAL POLICIES. SO AND IT IT LIMITS [00:50:07] THOSE. SO ANY REVISIONS APPLICABLE SHALL BE INTENDED TO CLARIFY THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND LIABILITY AND NOT MAKE CHANGES IN ECONOMIC BENEFITS, PRIVILEGES OR WORKING CONDITIONS. BUT THERE'S THERE'S CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS THAT THAT WE MIGHT MAKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY TO THE BENEFIT OF THE OF EVERYBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S CHANGES IN, IN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED FLOATING HOLIDAY IN THE PERSONNEL POLICY. WE'VE WE'VE RECOGNIZED SOME NATIONAL HOLIDAYS THAT WEREN'T RECOGNIZED BEFORE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON CHANGES FOR INSURANCE PREMIUMS. SO IF WE CAN LOWER INSURANCE PREMIUM COSTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S SOME POSITIVE COMPONENTS THERE. WHAT I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN THINK OF SOME LANGUAGE THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT REDUCES THE BENEFITS, MAYBE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT'S THE HEART WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO. RIGHT? YEAH. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S WHERE IT DOESN'T DIMINISH THAT. WE CAN ADD TO I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT. YEAH. SO THERE'S CHANGES THAT WE MIGHT VERY WELL MAKE THAT WOULD BE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE EMPLOYEES AS WE'RE ADJUSTING OUR, OUR COMPENSATION PROGRAMS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BENEFITS PACKAGES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE MARKET READY FOR THAT. AND AND AGAIN, THERE'S WE HAVE PULLED BACK ON HOLIDAYS. WE'VE PULLED BACK ON BENEFITS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN YEARS PRIOR. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET BACK UP TO STANDARD ON A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO HARD TO GET INSURANCE BENEFITS ENRICHED AND PREMIUMS LOWERED. YEAH. SO THERE'S HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE MORE BENEFIT THAT COMES FORWARD. SOME OF THOSE. DO YOU THINK THE FIRST SENTENCE IN SECTION TWO COVERS THAT. YEAH I WAS KIND OF WONDERING IF IF IT DID. AND MAYBE THAT SECTION MEANT LIKE YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES THAT ARE CLERICAL IN NATURE WITHOUT HAVING TO GET AN AGREEMENT. IS THAT WHAT THE INTENT WAS? THERE WAS I MEAN. LIKE REVISIONS TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY THAT ARE INTENDED TO CLARIFY CAN BE MADE, YOU KNOW, WITH WITHOUT SEEKING APPROVAL. I GUESS THE INTENT IS THAT THE CONTRACT NOT BE MODIFIED THROUGH A CITY POLICY OR DEPARTMENTAL POLICY. YEAH, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A BENEFIT, ECONOMIC OR SOME KIND OF PRIVILEGE, YOU AT LEAST SIT DOWN AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? SURE. YEAH. I THINK THE FIRST SENTENCE COVERS THAT, BUT. THAT'D BE THE INTENT OF THAT. I MEAN, THAT THE CONTRACT. YOU CAN AGREE MUTUALLY AGREE TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT IN AND PUT THEM IN WRITING. BUT. INTENT IS NOT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY A BENEFIT THROUGH A POLICY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE MINIMUM THE FLOOR, OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO MORE. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING, THOUGH, WITH I KNOW WITH OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, SOME I KNOW WE'RE FIXING TO GO OUT OR GET A NEW CONTRACT ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THOSE ARE RENEWED OR IF THEY'D BE IN LINE WITH THE THE TIMING OF THIS. SO SOMETIMES THOSE BENEFITS DO CHANGE. IS THERE A DESIRE OR NEED THEN TO JUST INSURE SOMEBODY FROM THE FROM THE MEMBERSHIP IS INVOLVED IN THAT SELECTION PROCESS? OR BECAUSE I'D HATE FOR IT TO BE LIKE, OH, YOU CAN'T USE THAT INSURANCE NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCTOR ISN'T LISTED ON THERE, OR THIS COPAY ADJUSTED OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. SO BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE INTENT BY THIS EITHER. SO, NO, I GUESS THE INTENT WOULD BE NOT TO MODIFY OR TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THROUGH A POLICY. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT. WE'VE SET, I GUESS, THE FLOOR, YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT STANDARD. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO MORE. BUT YOU KNOW, IN SOME, SOME INSTANCES I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, MAMMALS OR GENERAL ORDERS, RIGHT? YEAH. IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE CONTRACT. YEAH. AND I GUESS REALLY THE THIS IS MORE TOWARDS THOSE DEPARTMENT AND CITY POLICIES IN THIS SECTION. SO THE CONTRACT WITH HEALTH INSURANCE, UNLESS THE CITY CHANGED THE POLICY TO SAY, FIREFIGHTERS HAVING TO PAY ALL OF THEIR INSURANCE, THEN THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF IT. THERE'S AN APPETITE TO CREATE A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE INSURANCE. WE CAN PUT LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT SAYS [00:55:02] THAT OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN. YEAH, THAT'S A I MEAN, WE JUST FINISHING GOING OUT FOR BID AND WE'VE MADE OUR SELECTION. SOMETIMES IT'S ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, SOMETIMES IT'S IT COULD LAST. WE COULD HAVE THE SAME CARRIER FOR A FEW YEARS. IT JUST DEPENDS. AND IT'S A VERY TEDIOUS AND GRUELING PROCESS TO DO SO. AND DID YOU ARE YOU NEGOTIATING A LONGER TERM CONTRACT WITH THE PROVIDER, THE INSURANCE? IT'S ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THIRD PARTY ANNUAL BASIS. THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE WITH THE CITY WOULD BE SELF-INSURED. AND YOU'D HAVE A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MANAGE THE PLAN IS THAT IS THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE BLUE CROSS. BLUE SHIELD WOULD BE OUR PLAN. AND THEN WE HAVE BROKER. SO I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE WORK ON SOME LANGUAGE THAT KIND OF THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT THE AGREEMENT SETS THE FLOOR. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT WOULD MODIFY THIS AGREEMENT. YEAH. SO SO A PERSONAL A LATER PERSONAL POLICY OR OTHER ACTION THAT IS IN CONFLICT WOULDN'T SUPERSEDE THIS AGREEMENT WITHOUT NEGOTIATION. BUT I THINK TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT ARE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE DEPARTMENT, TO THE EMPLOYEES. SO IT MAY BE SO WE'LL WORK ON SOME LANGUAGE THAT MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF BRING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. THAT'S COOL. OKAY. YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT CARRIERS, WE WANT TO GET THE BEST DEAL POSSIBLE FOR EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE. EVERYONE. AND WE CONTINUALLY WORK ON GETTING OUR BEST AND FINAL WHEN WE MAKE THOSE AGREEMENTS. UNDERSTOOD. THIS IS A HUGE DEAL, MY CITY. EVERY SINGLE. COMMISSIONER, HER TEAM ARE EXCELLENT. SO THAT'S OFFICIALLY ON THE RECORD. HURTS MY FEELINGS, MR. MOORE. THANK YOU. SO JUST WHILE YOU GUYS ARE READING IT, THE OVERVIEW OF THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, THAT SECTION FOUR, HER STATUTE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS ANY PROPOSED OR ENACTED CHANGES TO THE RULES PROMULGATED BY THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION SHALL BE EMAILED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT. THIS PROVISION SPECIFICALLY PREEMPTS TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 143 .008, SUBSECTION E ONE AND THREE, AND I HAVEN'T PULLED IT RIGHT HERE. SO JUST READ THOSE SUBSECTIONS, WHICH. A RULE IS NOT VALID AND BINDING ON THE COMMISSION UNTIL THE COMMISSION ONE MAILS A COPY OF THE RULE TO THE COMMISSIONER. IF THE MUNICIPALITY HAS AN ELECTED COMMISSIONER AND TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OF THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS, AND THREE WHICH ARE REFERENCES. MAILS A COPY OF THE RULES TO EACH BRANCH OF THE FIRE STATION. SO INSTEAD OF THIS JUST SAYING, JUST ENACTED ONES, IT'S ANY PROPOSED OR ENACTED CHANGES WOULD BE EMAILED OUT TO ALL THE MEMBERS. THAT WAY EVERYBODY THAT IS COVERED UNDER 143 IS AWARE THAT THESE CHANGES TOOK PLACE. SO I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT WE HAVE SOME SOME OPERATIONS WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE NOT TYPICAL, LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I JUST THINK BACK, WE GO BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS. MAYBE WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF FIRE SERVICE VERSUS FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THEN WE'RE CAPTURING ALL YOU GUYS AND AND AFFILIATED PIECES. [01:00:05] AND THEN HERE AND THEN WE REVISE THIS TO REALLY BE APPLICABLE TO THE FIRE SERVICE. SO LANGUAGE DISCUSSING SWORN POSITIONS CORRECT. CORRECT. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. BASICALLY THE OPERATIONS THAT ARE COVERED UNDER THE UNION WOULD REALLY BE THE FIRE SERVICE. YEAH. IT'D BE IT'S, IT'S ANY ONE OF THEM THAT ARE COVERED BY CIVIL SERVICE. JUST PERIOD IS A BLANKET WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT SECTION OR NOT. AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. YEAH. AND SO THEN THE QUESTION TOO IS DO WE HAVE DUMB QUESTION. DO WE HAVE DIRECT EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THE FIRE SERVICE SO WE CAN. YEAH, IT WOULD BE DEPARTMENT EMAIL NOT PRIVATE EMAIL. YEAH. GO TO CAREER. IT'S AN ACTUAL EMAIL GROUP. YEAH I THINK JUST THE INTENT BEING THAT WE I LIKE THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE MAILED. SO I THINK THE INTENT IS LIKE HEY EMAIL IS ACCEPTABLE. WE DON'T NEED TO ACTUALLY MAIL IT TO THE STATIONS. SO DO WE. DO WE? ALSO, I WENT AHEAD AND MADE A NOTE TOO, BECAUSE WE WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT ON THE Y DRIVE AS WELL. THE THE COMMISSION RULES. SO WHILE IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT, I FIGURE WE JUST WOULD KEEP THOSE IN THERE AS WELL. SO YOU'VE GOT CARBON POLICY PROCEDURES, CITY HR POLICY AND THEN THE COMMISSION RULES IN THERE. THERE. AND EACH STATION HAS A COPY AS WELL. WOULD YOU. OH I'M SORRY. AND I WAS THINKING SO COMPONENTS OR REVISIONS THAT WE'RE REFERENCING HERE ARE ALSO DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SECTION THREE ABOVE. I THINK TWO RIGHT. SO THEY WILL GET THEM EMAILED OUT. IN ADDITION TO THAT THEY'LL BE POSTED HERE ON THE IN THE INTERNET OKAY. WOULD YOU ALL BE OPEN TO TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, STRETCH YOUR LEGS, USE THE RESTROOM? NO, NO, WE'RE ON A ROLL, MAN. OKAY. ARE WE RECONVENING? YES YES, YES. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK REAL QUICK TO ARTICLE TWO WITH THE 1010 BUSINESS DAYS. IF WE COULD INCREASE THAT TO 15 JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYBODY WITH SCHEDULES AND IF PEOPLE ARE OUT ON VACATION, WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO TRY TO GET IT SCHEDULED. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND DO CLEAN UP, BUT IT SKIPS. IT GOES FROM ARTICLE THREE TO ARTICLE FIVE. OH OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ASK THAT QUESTION TOO. SO IT'S LIKE JOE SAID CAN WE GO THERE. JUST KIND OF PLACEHOLDERS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, CHRISTY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT SECOND SENTENCE OF ARTICLE TWO IN GOOD FAITH WITHIN 15 BUSINESS DAYS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO WE WERE DISCUSSING SECTION FOUR, THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION RULES. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STOPPED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE GOOD ON THAT SECTION FOR WANTING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND MAYBE LOOK AT DEFINITIONS. OUR INTENTION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SWORN PERSONNEL ISN'T. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO. YEAH OKAY. [01:05:02] ARTICLE SIX. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ARTICLE FIVE. OKAY. SO THE ARTICLE SIX THE PAYROLL DEDUCTION DUES THIS CURRENTLY DOES TAKE PLACE THERE. AGAIN IT WILL CHANGE OVER TIME. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS TO DO. WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO MEMORIALIZE THAT AND KEEP IT GOING OVER THIS. NOW WITH ALLISON CURRENTLY IN THAT ROLE, WE'VE MADE EVERYTHING ELECTRONIC. THERE'S NO PAPER PASSED BACK AND FORTH ANYMORE. SHE'S BUILT THE FORM AND WE'LL GO IN THERE TO SIGN UP. THE ROUTING NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING ARE IN THERE. SHE GETS THAT DUES DEDUCTION ELECTRONICALLY. SHE TAKES IT. AND IT'S A SEAMLESS PROCESS, MAKES EVERYTHING EASY AND SMOOTH. IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SHE HAS THE DOCUMENTATION SHE CAN SEND US AND WE'RE ABLE TO WE WORK BACK AND FORTH REALLY WELL RIGHT NOW. AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE MEMORIALIZATIONS KEEPING THAT HOW IT IS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A GREAT SYSTEM. ARE THOSE THINGS PRETAX OR. POST-TAX? YES, SIR. YEAH. ONLY CERTAIN THINGS TO BE PRETAX OR INSURANCE. AND THEN. SOME OTHER POSTS. SO SO WITH THIS. SO DO THE EMPLOYEES. SO THE NOTIFICATION TO HR FOR THE DEDUCTION DOES THAT COME FROM THE EMPLOYEE OR DOES THAT COME FROM THE UNION. SO IT YOU GO INTO NEO GOV. LIKE I SAID ALLISON MCGREW HAS A SETUP. NOW THEY FILL THE FORM OUT ALLISON GETS A NOTIFICATION ALLISON GOES IN AND MAKES THE PAYROLL ADJUSTMENTS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CHRISTY'S TEAM ALLISON HAS TO DO WITH IT. AND OTHER FUNDS THAT THEY PAY INTO THAT WERE PART OF OUR ORGANIZATION. THEY'RE GOING AND MAKE THOSE DEDUCTIONS NEED TO BE. AND ALLISON TAKES CARE OF IT. IT'S REALLY IT'S A SEAMLESS PROCESS. IT IS PAYROLL. ALLISON MCGREW HANDLES ALL OF IT. THE AUTHORIZATION IS IN HOUSE. THE UNION HAS THAT PAPERWORK, THE AUTHORIZATION TO DEDUCT, AND THEN WE JUST PROVIDE THE LIST. IT'S A FORM THAT ALLISON HAS BUILT THAT WE AGREED TO, THAT THEY GO IN, THEY FILL IT OUT, THEY ELECTRONICALLY SIGN IT, AND WE GET NOTIFICATION THAT IT'S HAPPENED. ALLISON TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE BACK END. AND SO WITH THE LIST, IT WOULD JUST BE. FLORIDA COPY LAW AUTHORIZATION OR CANCELLATIONS. THAT'S THIS NOTIFICATION TO US THAT WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE. YEAH. SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WITHDRAW OR ADD THEMSELVES AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT SINCE WE PAY DUES TO OUR BASICALLY PARENT ORGANIZATIONS, THAT LETS US KNOW SO WE AREN'T WE CAN PULL THEM FROM OUR ROLE. WE'RE NOT PAYING THOSE DUES UP FOR THEM. SOMETIMES THE FIREFIGHTER WILL STOP THEIR DEDUCTION WITH THE CITY WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE ASSOCIATION, AND THEN SOMETIMES IT TAKES US A MONTH OR SO TO FIGURE IT OUT. MEANWHILE, WE'VE GOT PER CAPITA THAT WE'VE SENT OUT. WELL, NO DUES WAS DEDUCTED. OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS THERE A TREASURER OR EMAIL ADDRESS, OR IS IT SPECIFIC TO THE PERSON THAT THEY'RE SENDING. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE BOARD ALL HAVING THOSE ACTUAL SPECIFIC ADDRESSES WHEN IT'S A DIFFERENT TREASURER AND MAKE SURE THAT EMAIL CHANGES. BUT IF NOT, SHE HAS MY DIRECT EMAIL. SHE WILL EMAIL BACK. DEFINITELY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PRESUMPTION OF PRIVACY FOR THE EMPLOYEE. I WAS JUST THINKING [01:10:01] WHEN THEY FILL THAT AUTHORIZATION OUT, IF IT'S NOT THERE ON THE FORM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFY THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS INFORMATION WILL BE SHARED WITH THE WITH THE UNION. SO THEY KNOW CLEARLY UPFRONT AS THEY SUBMITTED THAT INFORMATION WILL BE SHARED. YEAH, YEAH. ANY CHANGES, THE STATUS ANY CHANGE PERIOD. ANY CHANGES I MEAN SIGNING UP, THEY SHOULD KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE SHARED WITH US BECAUSE WE GOT TO ADD THEM TO THE ROLL. BUT WITHDRAWAL AND THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT TOO. SO I THINK JUST SOMETHING BLANKET ACROSS THE BOARD THAT SAYS THE ONLY PEOPLE THIS WILL BE SHARED WITH THIS PAYROLL AND WHOEVER THAT IS DEEMED OR THE TREASURER, SECRETARY, TREASURER, PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 4298. SO WHEN THEY'RE WHEN THEY'RE ONBOARDING, DO THEY RECEIVE SOMETHING FROM THE UNION OR THE ASSOCIATION THAT SAYS, HERE'S, HERE'S A PAMPHLET OR HERE'S SOME INFORMATION, IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT SHARED? WE GET THEM LOGGED INTO OUR WEBSITE AND THAT HAS EVERYTHING THEY NEED ACCESS TO, IF POSSIBLE, MAYBE TO ALSO ADD A COMPANION STATEMENT IN THAT SECTION WHEN THEY SIGN ON OR SIGN UP THAT THAT NOTIFICATION THAT TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. OKAY. SURE. AND WE DO A UNION RECORDING. EMPLOYEES THINGS LIKE THAT. OR AT LEAST IF THEY SHOW INTEREST. AND I'LL LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE ON THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY FILL OUT TO SIGN UP AND HAVE ALLISON ADD AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHERE THIS INFORMATION IS GOING TO GO. I HAD A LITTLE SPOT FOR A TIP AT THE BOTTOM. THERE'S ALSO, I THINK WE NEED TO ADD AN S WITH AUTHORIZATIONS. DO YOU WANT TO DO AUTHORIZATION PARENTHESES S OR JUST AUTHORIZATIONS. IT'S NITPICKY BUT YOU COULD DO I THINK THAT LET'S ADD THE PARENTHESES. LET'S DO IT. LET'S GO ALL IN. WHERE ARE YOU. LET'S USE THE WHOLE KEYBOARD. LET'S USE IT ALL. OKAY, I LIKE IT. GO. FANCY THIS THING UP. JUST MIRROR IT WITH THE CANCELLATIONS. DOUBLE. WOW. I'M TIRED NOW. I'M TIRED. THIS. THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TODAY, Y'ALL. AND THE FRIDAY. SOME SOME A LOT OF CONTRACTS HAVE ROMAN NUMERALS SINCE THEY WERE NEGOTIATED, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS AGO. SOME, SOME. SOME ASSOCIATIONS STILL WANT THE ROMAN NUMERALS BECAUSE IT'S TRADITION OR HOMAGE TO THE THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE US. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW ANYMORE. THEY DON'T TEACH IT IN SCHOOL ANYMORE. I DON'T THINK ACTUALLY. CAN WE REPLACE THEM ALL WITH EMOJIS? THAT'D BE GREAT. BUT SOMETHING IN CODE, COMPUTER CODE OR SOMETHING? 320010 THERE YOU GO. SO THERE. WE'RE GETTING INTO THE FINE PRINT NOW. SO COME ON OVER HERE. OKAY. YEAH. SO IN THE EVENT THAT THE PARTIES ARE UNABLE TO REACH AN AGREEMENT ON A NEW CONTRACT TERMS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT, AS STATED IN ARTICLE TWO, ALL TERMS OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT SHALL REMAIN IN FULL FORCE AND EFFECT UNTIL REPLACED BY SUCCESSOR AGREEMENT FOR A TIME PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED THREE ADDITIONAL YEARS. AND THERE'S NO PARENTHESES AROUND THIS. IT'S THE THREE. SO THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW, NATURALLY, I'M I THINK ALL OF US SITTING HERE AT THIS TABLE, I CAN SPEAK EASILY AND SAY WE WANT TO GET THIS AGREEMENT BEFORE IT EXPIRES. THIS IS IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP WHAT YOU GOT. WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP WHAT WE GOT FOR THAT TERM [01:15:01] UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT NEW ONE SIGNED. NOW, I THINK TO THINK IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A NEW AGREEMENT, I AGREE WE SHOULD LEAVE IT IN PLACE UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT DONE. I THINK IT MAYBE SHOULD GO YEAR TO YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE GO YEAR TO YEAR, NOT TO EXCEED THREE YEARS, AND IF WE WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT NEWLY NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT, THEN THAT WILL SUPERSEDE ANY EXTENSIONS THAT WE'RE UNDER. SO WE JUST GOT THREE YEAR TO YEAR AND GO FISCAL YEAR. YOU KNOW LIKE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO LIKE HAVE IT SAY YEAR TO YEAR NOT TO EXCEED THREE THREE ADDITIONAL YEARS. SO YEAR TO YEAR FISCAL YEARS NOT TO EXCEED THREE YEARS. THAT'S WHAT. WE'LL TAKE TEN. THEY'LL BE HOUSTON, THEY'LL BE HOUSTON AND TAKE TEN. I'M GONNA GO LIGHT A VOTIVE AND TAKE UP MY ROSARY WHEN I GET HOME. THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT ONE AS WELL. I CAN SEE THE COLD SWEATS OVER THERE. WE NEED TO GET THEM. WE'LL HAVE SOME SOME TISSUES FOR YOU NEXT TIME. YOU'RE WELCOME. NO STRIKE. NO LOCKOUT IS JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE. IT'S COVERED IN THE STATUTE. FIREFIGHTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STRIKE. WE ALL KNOW THAT. SO THERE YOU GO. WELL, AND AGAIN IN OUR CONTRACT. YOU HAVE TO STAY. LOCKED IN AND SAY LOOK OUT. Y'ALL NEED TO CHANGE THAT. THAT DAY, THAT DAY, THE DAY IS WHENEVER DOORS ARE UNLOCKED EARLY IN THE FIRE SERVICE, YOU GO TO WORK AND YOU YOU'D NEVER LEAVE. YOU'D LIVE AT THE STATION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS BACK THEN. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE. ON ARTICLE NINE IX? DID YOU WANT TO NAME IT NONDISCRIMINATION? JUST A THOUGHT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KINDER AND GENTLER NOW. I'M GOOD WITH NONDISCRIMINATION. THAT SOUNDS EXCELLENT. THERE'S I CAN ALREADY SEE THERE'S A COUPLE TYPOS IN NEED CHANGE. THE EMPLOYEE AGREES NOT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANY EMPLOYEE FOR THEIR ACTIVITY. YEAH. OR HIS HER. BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE BLANKET ACTIVITY BEHALF. YEAH. SO WE SEE A FEW THINGS LIKE THAT WE'LL NEED TO GO THROUGH AND JUST KIND OF CLEAN UP. SO JUST A NOT THAT IT NECESSARILY MATTERS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE THE WORD EMPLOYEE IS CAPITALIZED, WHICH USUALLY MEANS IT'S A DEFINED TERM AND IT'S NOT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO. OH, OKAY. WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE START PUTTING THE DEFINITIONS TOGETHER. USUALLY WE LEAVE THOSE TO THE LAST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERYTHING IN THE FINAL EDITS OF THE OF THE AGREEMENT. IT'S GOOD TO MAKE A NOTE OF IT RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT. [01:20:08] I THINK WE CAN PICK A DIFFERENT WORD THAN UNMOLESTED WITHOUT THE PROPERTY. UNHARMED. WE CAN JUST SCRATCH IT OKAY. WITHOUT HARASSMENT I THINK COVERS IT OKAY. CHRISTIE, SINCE YOU'RE THE HUMAN RESOURCES SIDE OF THIS, I AGREE WITH JOE. WE JUST REMOVE THAT WORD WHERE IT SAYS LEAVE ITS PREMISE AND PROPERTY WITHOUT HARASSMENT OR HARM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT OR JUST LEAVE HARASSMENT? I THINK HARASSMENT COVERS IT. YEAH. WITHOUT HARASSMENT. SO LEAVE ITS PREMISES. THE PROPERTY WITHOUT HARASSMENT. ENCOMPASSES THIS. ARTICLE TEN SUCCESSORS JUST MEANS WHOEVER SIGNS A CONTRACT IF THEY'RE NOT HERE, DOESN'T MEAN THE CONTRACT'S NEGATED. CAN'T THINK ABOUT ARTICLE NINE. SO IF AN IF A FIREFIGHTER HAD A SUBSTANTIATED CLAIM OF HARASSMENT, WHAT WOULD THE WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE FOR THAT? AND WHAT WOULD THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT BE? WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GRIEVANCE PROCESS THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN LATER ON, AND I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD SPELL IT OUT. SO WE CAN MAKE NOTE TO THAT AND WE CAN WE CAN REFERENCE THAT INTO THIS. AND IF THEY FELT HARASSED, THEY CAN ALWAYS REPORT IT THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. AND THEN WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD. BUT WHEN IT'S HARASSMENT YEAH WE ALREADY HAVE THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S A PROCESS SPELLED OUT IN THE PROCESS ALREADY. AND THEN THEY POST A HARASSMENT THROUGH OUR RANKS OF OUR ORGANIZATION. THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT SPELLED OUT TO. YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WORD AS WELL. SO THERE'S ANOTHER PORTAL FOR EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO ANONYMOUSLY FILE LODGE COMPLAINTS AS WELL, OR SAFELY DO IT. THEY TELL US WHO THEY ARE OR TELL A THIRD PARTY WHO THEY ARE. AND THEN THAT COULD. NO, IT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE COMPANY THAT DEALS WITH EMPLOYEE RELATIONS AND. STUFF AS WELL. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF CHRISTIE'S PROGRAMS. SO JUST GO ON TO MESSINESE. BASICALLY, LEADERSHIP ON THIS SIDE CHANGES. LEADERSHIP ON THAT SIDE CHANGES. IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT TO AGREEMENT. IT'S STILL IN EFFECT. BUT THE SIGNERS OF IT BEING GONE. AND THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD LANGUAGE, KIND OF UNRELATED, BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING OR JUST EVEN JUST A PROFESSIONAL COURTESY KIND OF THING? THAT IS, IF AS MEMBERSHIP CHANGES ON THE ASSOCIATION'S EXECUTIVE BOARD, THAT NOTIFICATION WOULD BE MADE ON THAT. SO. LIKE I SAID, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THERE, BUT JUST MAYBE JUST KIND OF A COURTESY THING. YEAH. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD AGREE THAT THAT'S THE INTENT OR. THAT'S JUST JUST EASIER TO TRACK ESPECIALLY. NOTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN CITY MANAGER. I THINK WE'LL ALL KNOW OKAY. THAT USUALLY MAKES HEADLINES. HOPEFULLY WHEN THAT [01:25:09] HAPPENS YOU GET A PARTY. IS USUALLY REFERS TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT DOESN'T INVALIDATE THE WHOLE AGREEMENT, JUST THAT SECTION THAT WAS CHANGED AS STATUTORY LAW. THIS WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ARTICLES. RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO COMP THIS OR DO WE KEEP GOING OR WHAT DO WE DO. OKAY. THAT'S. HOW HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO MAKE. A COUPLE A COUPLE LITTLE OKAY. I GOT SOME EMAILS TO READ. THERE YOU GO. WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR US TO TALK? IT'S 10:00 NOW. DO YOU WANT TO SAY 1:00 OR JUST SHORTLY THEREAFTER? THAT WOULD WORK. WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU GUYS? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE OUTLINED OUR LAST MEETING. YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE, I GUESS IN ADJOURNMENT UNTIL 1 P.M. THIS AFTERNOON. SO WE'LL PICK UP * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.