Apr 23, 2026 P&Z Commission

[1. Call to Order.]

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THE APRIL 23RD REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE CITY OF LEANDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION

[3. Director's report to the Planning & Zoning Commission on action taken by City Council on the April 16, 2026 meeting.]

[4. Review of meeting protocol.]

NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT LISTED IN THE AGENDA. IF THERE'S ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT LISTED IN THE AGENDA, NOW IS YOUR TIME. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR SUCH, BUT ALWAYS OPEN FOR OPPORTUNITY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL

[ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]

SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEWIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. AGENDA

[7. Conduct a Public Hearing regarding Special Use Case Z-26-0210 to consider action on a Special Use Permit to allow for an in-home day care with up to 12 children on one parcel of land 0.2 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcel R456282; and more commonly known as 1202 Drake Cove, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.    

• Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-26-0210 as described above.

DRAKE COVE, LEANDER, WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS STAFF PRESENTATION. HI, GOOD EVENING, KARINA CASTILLO WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE. REFERRED TO AS A SUP, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR AN SEP IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR AN IN-HOME DAYCARE FOR UP TO 12 CHILDREN, AS WELL AS THE GARAGE CONVERSION. THE REQUEST WOULD RESULT IN THE REDUCTION OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ONLY TWO DRIVEWAY PARKING SPACES FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND THE DAYCARE. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO OVER JUST SOME STANDARDS ON OUR SIDE AND THE STATE AS WELL. SO OUR COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES CURRENTLY THAT IN-HOME DAYCARES ARE UP TO ONLY FIVE CHILDREN. IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT ANY RESIDENTIAL HOME WITH THREE OR MORE BEDROOMS HAVE TWO GARAGE PARKING SPACES AND TWO OFF STREET SPACES, SUCH AS THE DRIVEWAY AND IN-HOME DAYCARES WOULD NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL

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THE CURRENT ZONING IS SFU2B, SO IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, URBAN, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S LOCATED AT 1202 DRAKE CODE. THERE'S A TYPO IN THERE AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.2 ACRES. IT IS WITHIN THE WOODS AT MASON CREEK SUBDIVISION. AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO OTHER ZONING CASES SUBMITTED FOR THIS PREVIOUSLY. IN ADDITION TO THE NOTIFICATION THAT WE SENT TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 200FT, THEY HAVE TO ALSO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT IS A RESIDENT WITHIN 500FT. THEY DID DO OUTREACH BY HAND, DELIVERING LETTERS. JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, WHOEVER DID NOT, WHOEVER WAS NOT AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME WAS MAILED THE LETTER LATER ON. AND THEY ALSO NOTIFIED THE MAGNOLIA HOA. THERE WAS NO CONCERNS OR COMMENTS THAT WERE ISSUED AT THAT TIME. AS PART OF THE EVALUATION OF THIS REQUEST, THE COMMISSION HAS THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS SO THEY CAN APPROVE THE PROPOSED SUP. WITH THE SIX MONTH TIME LIMIT, YOU CAN DENY THE SUP OR APPROVE AN ALTERNATE. THAT WOULD INCLUDE MODIFYING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR THE TIME LIMIT. WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION NUMBER TWO TO DENY THE SUP STAFF MADE THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE LACK OF PARKING AVAILABLE FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL HOME AND THE DAYCARE USE. THE PROPOSED USE IS MORE INTENSE AND CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THROUGH CONVERTING THE GARAGE AND NOT ACCOMMODATING PARKING ON SITE. I WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MISS CASTILLO. IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT? YOU CAN JUST BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. YOU CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT. YEAH. OKAY.

PERFECT. FOR THOSE WHO COULDN'T HEAR THAT ARE LISTENING, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS BUT NO PRESENTATION. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS SUBMITTED ONLINE. THEY WILL BE PUT INTO THE RECORD, AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK. WHEN I CALL ON YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. BUT THE FIRST THING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, AND I'LL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME. AND ANY OF YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, AND I'LL OFFER IT AGAIN AT THE END THAT HASN'T FILLED OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS, YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK, BUT AT THE END, WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO FILL OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS AND HAND IT TO MISS TOVAR DOWN THERE ON THE END. SO NOW THAT I GOT ALL THE BUREAUCRACY OUT OF THE WAY, WE'LL START WITH MISS ZAYDA PEREZ. HELLO, SARAH. I LIVE AT 1201 DRAKE COVE, ACROSS THE STREET FROM DEWDROPS. I KNOW ASHANTI FOR YEARS. MY GRANDCHILDREN ATTENDED HER SCHOOL A FEW YEARS BACK. HER GUIDANCE HAS IMPROVED THEIR EDUCATION AND SELF-ESTEEM. AND I WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ASHANTI. SHE'S PASSIONATE, TRUSTWORTHY, DEDICATED, DISCIPLINED, COMMITTED TO TEACHING, TEACHING WHICH IMPACTS CHILDREN SOCIAL SKILLS.

PLEASE ALLOW HER TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THOSE KIDS WITH HER TEACHING FROM HER HOME. CAN'T TELL REALLY THAT THERE IS A DAYCARE GOING ON IN HER HOUSE. THERE'S NO SIGNS, NO CARS, AND PRACTICALLY NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH FAMILIES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU MA'AM. WAYNE. NO. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. BOARD, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO

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BEYOND DAILY DISRUPTIONS, THIS SITUATION RAISES SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.

I INVESTED IN A PREMIUM LOT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL REMAIN STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL. THE CONTINUED OPERATION AND POTENTIAL REZONING OF A LICENSED BUSINESS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR UNDERMINES THAT INVESTMENT AND COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY ABILITY TO SELL MY HOME IN THE FUTURE. ADDITIONALLY, ALLOWING THIS REZONING WOULD NOT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT COULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF ONE PROPERTY IS PERMITTED TO OPERATE A BUSINESS OF THIS NATURE, IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR OTHERS TO DO THE SAME, WHETHER THAT BE ADDITIONAL DAYCARES, SWIM SCHOOLS, DANCE CLASSES, OR OTHER TYPES OF OPERATIONS. DESPITE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS DESIGNED TO PREVENT EXACTLY THIS TYPE OF ENCROACHMENT, THIS ISSUE IS ESPECIALLY IMPACTFUL GIVEN THAT ONLY FOUR PREMIUM LOTS EXIST AT THE END OF DRAKE COVE, WITH EVERY WITH VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY BETWEEN HOMES, THE BURDEN OF THIS ACTIVITY FALLS DISPROPORTIONATELY ON THOSE OF US IN IMMEDIATE ADJACENCY, RATHER THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE LONG TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THIS DECISION, NOT JUST FOR MY PROPERTY, BUT FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF HOMEOWNERS WHO INVESTED HERE UNDER THE ASSURANCE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU SIR. MR. NASHER. MERIDIA. HELLO.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NASIR. I LIVE ON 725 ESTUARY DRIVE HERE IN LEANDER. AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. MY SON HAS BEEN A STUDENT OF DEW DROPS FOR THREE YEARS, AND HE TURNED FIVE THIS YEAR. SO HE'LL BE IN KINDERGARTEN NEXT YEAR AT PLEASANT HILL ELEMENTARY HERE IN LEANDER. AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT DEW DROPS AND ANY HOME BASED CHILD CARE.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL OPERATE RESPONSIBLY. THEY FOLLOW LICENSING STANDARDS, THEY FOLLOW SAFETY GUIDELINES, AND MR. ASHANTI GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN AND EDUCATE THEM THE RIGHT WAY. I FEEL THAT IT FILLS A REAL NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS ACCESSIBLE, IT IS AFFORDABLE AND IT'S RELIABLE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT CAUSES DISRUPTION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T SEE ANY EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC. I DON'T HEAR ANY NOISE. I DON'T HEAR ANY DISTURBANCE.

THE SCHOOL IS A VERY SMALL SCALE OPERATION. IT'S MAXIMUM OF 12 STUDENTS, SOMETIMES EVEN LESS, AND THERE'S STAGGERED DROP OFF AND PICKUPS. I HAVE NOT SEEN MORE THAN TWO PARENTS OR TWO PARENTS CARS AT ONCE IN THE PARKING LOT. THERE'S CLEAR EXPECTATIONS BY MR. ASHANTI THAT THESE ARE THE TIMELINES FOR DROP OFFS AND PICKUPS, AND WE FOLLOW THEM RELIGIOUSLY.

THERE'S INCENTIVE, BIG INCENTIVE FOR US, CURRENT PARENTS AND FUTURE PARENTS TO FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES, TO MAKE SURE THAT NEIGHBORS ARE NOT DISTURBED, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS AS PARENTS AS AS WELL AS DEW DROPS. OVERALL, I THINK THAT DEW DROPS IS A REALLY BIG ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR OUR CITY, FOR FUTURE PARENTS. AND IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE QUIET AND PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MARIANNE.

SORRY, MARION. CECILIA AM I IF I'M BUTCHERING IT? MY APOLOGIES MA'AM, YOU'LL HAVE THREE

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ASHANTI WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT DROP OFF LOCATION TIME AND LIKE NOT DISRUPTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WERE CLEARLY INSTRUCTED TO THAT WE HAD LIKE TEN MINUTES FOR PICKUP AND LIKE TO PARK IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE AND NOT IN FRONT OF OTHER HOUSE TO ALLOW LIKE TRAFFIC FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE APPRECIATE LIKE THE FACT THAT IT WAS HOME BASED DAYCARE, LIKE IT WAS A GOOD TRANSITION FOR OUR DAUGHTER FROM THE CARE AT HOME AND LIKE TO START SOCIALIZING WITH PEERS WHILE BEING WATCHED AND CARED FOR IN A SAFE PLACE. LIKE WHEN WE WENT. WHEN WE GO INSIDE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A GARAGE. IT LOOKED LIKE A WELL DEDICATED ROOM FOR CHILDREN WITH ALL TOOLS AND SAFETY INCLUDED. I SO MISS ASHANTI RESPECT LIKE THE LIKE CLEANING AFTER THE SCHOOL HOURS AND LIKE SANITIZE THE ROOM. AND SHE WAS LIKE VERY ADAMANT ON LIKE WHAT WAS ALLOWED IN THE IN THE SCHOOL FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS. SO LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, SHE WAS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR OUR KIDS, LIKE GETTING TO KNOW EACH ONE AND LIKE BEING ABLE TO SEE THROUGH LIKE THE MASKS OR KIDS CAN PUT ON. AND THAT'S THE ONLY SCHOOL. AND LIKE THE ONLY TEACHER, DIRECTOR, PRINCIPAL THAT I HAVE SEEN DOING HERE WITH A DIFFERENT SCHOOL THAT WE TRIED ON, I CAN STILL SEE LIKE TWO YEARS LATER THE IMPACT THAT SHE HAS ON HER DAUGHTER AND LIKE THE CONFIDENCE SHE GAVE TO HER AND LIKE THE AUTONOMY THAT SHE GAINED HERE AND HOW MUCH ACADEMIC ACADEMICALLY, SORRY, I'M FRENCH ACADEMY. YOU UNDERSTOOD LIKE HOW MUCH SHE LIKE HAD PROGRESS ON IT AND. SHE STILL STAND UP LIKE TODAY.

SHE INSISTED ON COMING WHEN I TOLD HER LIKE, OH, MISS ASHANTI NEED LIKE SUPPORT, LIKE TO KEEP HER SCHOOL OPEN. SHE'S LIKE, OH YES, I WANT TO COME WITH YOU, MOMMY, BECAUSE SHE'S STILL TWO YEARS AFTER EVEN SHE'S ONLY SIX YEARS OLD. SHE STILL REMEMBERED. SHE WAS LIKE, MOM, WE DID THAT WITH MISS ASHANTI. THAT WAS SO GREAT. WE DID PANCAKES TOGETHER AND LIKE, SHE STILL HAD GOOD MEMORIES AND LIKE, SHE STILL HAS THE CONFIDENCE TODAY. SHE'S WEARING IT LIKE A COAT, THANKS TO MISS ASHANTI. AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S A VALUE, LIKE ADDED TO YOUR CITY, TO OUR CITY, TO HAVE DOUDROP IN THERE AND AS A DISTANT NEIGHBOR, BECAUSE I'M NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, I FEEL GRATEFUL THAT THAT SCHOOL IS ON OCD. THANK YOU MA'AM. MICHAEL SULLIVAN. SIR, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MICHAEL SULLIVAN. I LIVE AT 504 TULIP TRAIL. I AM THE SECRETARY OF THE MAGNOLIA HOA MAGNOLIA MAGNOLIA CREEK HOA. WE WERE SURPRISED TO SEE THIS ON THE P AND Z AGENDA. THE HOA HAS BEEN OPPOSED TO THE PRESENCE OF THIS BUSINESS. OPERATING IS A VIOLATION OF OUR DCR. WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER HOMEOWNER IN THE FALL WHO TOLD US SHE WAS GOING TO BE MOVING AND ASKING US NOT TO BEGIN APPLYING FINES AND OTHER THINGS. AND SO AS WE TRY TO BE A LIGHT TOUCH HOA. WE THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, SHE'S TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE HER AT HER WORD.

INSTEAD, WE SUDDENLY FIND SHE'S ASKING P AND Z TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE STRUCTURE OF OUR OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOMEOWNERS. ALL AGREED TO WHEN SETTING UP OUR HOA. SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU NOT ALLOW THIS PLANNING AND ZONING CHANGE, THAT INSTEAD, YOU ALLOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO RETAIN ITS CHARACTERISTICS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR JEFF. I'M SURE I GOT THAT NAME WRONG. AND SIR, ONCE YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE,

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BUTLER. HALEY, WE ARE THE ASSOCIATION'S GENERAL COUNSEL. AND I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT. REGARDLESS OF HOW BENEFICIAL THE BUSINESS IS AND HOW WELL IT'S RUN. ANY NON RESIDENTIAL USE OF A PROPERTY WITHIN A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY UNDERMINES THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE HOA. IT WAS PLANNED TO BE NONRESIDENTIAL, TO NOT HAVE COMMERCIAL USE. AND WITH THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, A RESTRICTION ON VEHICULAR TRAFFIC NOISE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT ALL AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUE. AND SPECIFICALLY THIS DECLARATION HAS RESTRICTIONS THAT STATE THAT THE EXISTENCE CAN'T BE APPARENT, CAN'T BE DETECTABLE BY SIGHT, AND CAN'T GENERATE A LEVEL OF VEHICULAR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC OR NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKED WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S NOTICEABLE OR GREATER THAN THAT'S WHICH IS TYPICAL OF A RESIDENCE. AND BUSINESS ACTIVITY IS CONSISTENT. SO ANY BUSINESS ACTIVITY HAS TO BE BASICALLY NON VISIBLE, LIKE AN AT HOME BUSINESS, LIKE AN ACCOUNTANT OR SHIPPING THINGS. AND BY REZONING IT. THAT WOULD NOT ERASE THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT WOULD JUST CREATE MORE PROBLEMS AND THERE'D BE MORE LITIGATION AND IT WOULD AFFECT PEOPLE'S HOME VALUES. THE SPECIFIC USE WAS A REQUEST FOR BEING ABLE TO BABYSIT DURING COVID, TO HAVE EXTRA INCOME. AND SPECIFICALLY THE REQUEST WAS BABYSITTING. AND EXPLICITLY THIS WILL NOT BE A DAYCARE. AND THE BOARD GRANTED THAT REQUEST WITH AN EXPLICIT. WARNING THAT IT MUST, YOU KNOW, ABIDE BY THE RESTRICTIONS. SPECIFICALLY, SECTION 203 SINGLE FAMILY USE. AND IT'S GRADUALLY SURPASSED THAT. AND IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO GO BEYOND COVID. LASTLY. ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE VIOLATES THE RESTRICTIONS, BUT ALLOWING IT TO INCREASE TO 12 WOULD GREATLY VIOLATE THE RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU SIR. MARY MONROE. FLUID, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. MY NAME IS MARY MONROE. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF MAGNOLIA CREEK SUBDIVISION. WE PUT OUR CHILDREN IN MRS. SHANTI'S HOME DAYCARE. LIKE 14 YEARS AGO. I HAVE A 16 AND A 17 YEAR OLD NOW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS NOW. BUT ANYWAYS. OKAY, MY NAME IS MARY MONROE AND I AM HONORED TO SHARE MY SUPPORT FOR MRS. SHANTI'S CHILD CARE AND THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT SHE'S HAD ON OUR COMMUNITY. MY TWO CHILDREN ATTENDED HER DAYCARE AROUND 2015 BEFORE ENTERING KINDERGARTEN AT WHITESTONE ELEMENTARY. DURING THEIR TIME WITH HER, SHE TAUGHT THEM SO MUCH MORE THAN BASIC EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, SHE HELPED THEM LEARN HOW TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES, GARDEN, UNDERSTAND QUIET TIME, PLAY COOPERATIVELY, RECOGNIZE COLORS, AND WRITE PROPERLY. SHE CREATED AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE CHILDREN LEARNED RESPONSIBILITY, STRUCTURE, AND CONFIDENCE. MRS. SHANTI TEACHES WITH LOVE AND KINDNESS WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AND DISCIPLINE. SHE IS ORGANIZED, CARING AND DEEPLY COMMITTED TO HELPING CHILDREN GROW. INTO CAPABLE AND RESPECTFUL YOUNG ADULTS. SHE HAS A SPECIAL ABILITY TO BALANCE WARMTH WITH FIRMNESS IN A WAY THAT CHILDREN UNDERSTAND AND RESPOND TO

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IS GAY. OH GOT IT. 8912 MOUNTAIN LAKE TRAIL. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT ASHANTI WITH HER DAYCARE. I USED TO BE ON A BOARD THE BOARD MEMBER BACK WHEN COVID, AND I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY ASKED THE BOARD TO APPROVE THIS. FOR HER TO HAVE THAT DAYCARE. SHE HAD IT BEFORE MANY YEARS UNTIL THEY HAD IT WAS GROWING IN SUCH EXCESS. THEY ACTUALLY HAD IT MOVED OFF SITE IN DUE TO SOME FAMILY THINGS, PERSONAL MATTERS WITH ASHANTI, SHE HAD TO MOVE IT TO HER HOME AND WE GAVE HER PERMISSION. THERE WAS NO STIPULATIONS THAT IT WAS JUST DURING COVID. IT WAS ASKED DURING COVID, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT I REMEMBER, WHICH I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY RECORDS NOTES, THERE WAS NO STIPULATIONS THAT SHE COULDN'T CONTINUE BECAUSE SHE HAD IT BEFORE. SO I'M HERE JUST TO SUPPORT HER. HER AREA AND HER HOME IS IS PERFECTLY SUITABLE FOR A DAYCARE IN A CUL DE SAC, AND IT HASN'T CHANGED IN HER JUST BECAUSE HER GARAGE IS CONVERTED. THE LOOK AND THE ESTHETICS ON THE OUTSIDE HAS NOT CHANGED. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT CUL DE SAC, MOSTLY HOME TO HOMEOWNERS AND IN THAT FOUR AREAS, THEY WORK FROM HOME OR THEY'RE RETIRED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MA'AM. JENNIFER JONES. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU ALL? JENNIFER JONES. I LIVE OFF 116 TELEGRAPH TRAIL, LEANDER, TEXAS, OVER ACROSS THE RIVER ASHANTI. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT ASHANTI PERERA AND HER DEWDROPS MONTESSORI CHILD CARE PROGRAM. MY SON WENT THROUGH HER PROGRAM 16 YEARS AGO. HE WAS IN HIS. HE GRADUATED OUT INTO KINDERGARTEN. NOW HE'S ABOUT TO GRADUATE OUT OF GLENN HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE OF HER CARE FOR HIM AS A CHILD. HE. HE WOULDN'T BE WHO HE IS TODAY.

I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, AND I'VE BEEN CLOSE FRIENDS WITH ASHANTI FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS AND. I VISIT HER HOME RARELY. RARELY. BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE SHE'S DEATHLY AFRAID OF SOME NEIGHBORS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE AS FAR AS LOSING SLEEP AND FEELING THREATENED HER LIFE. SO THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF OF UNNECESSARY THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE HAVE GONE ON THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO HER OVER THIS SITUATION THAT I SUPPORT. I BELIEVE THAT SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, AS LICENSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, LIKE SHE HAS BEEN FOR PROBABLY 20 SOMETHING YEARS, TO HOST 12 CHILDREN IN HER HOME, IN HER GARAGE. AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS STATED TO YOU COULD DO A DRIVE BY AND YOU WOULD NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE. THE CHILDREN GO OUTSIDE ONCE OR TWICE A DAY FOR MAYBE 20 MINUTES. THEY'RE BETWEEN TWO YEARS OLD AND FIVE YEARS OLD, AND THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MORE NOISE THAN ANY OTHER FAMILY MIGHT MAKE. ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FENCE OF OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS ALSO. AND THE PARKING. YEAH. WITH THE STAGGERED DROP OFFS, 1 OR 2 CARS AT A TIME MAY BE COMING THROUGH, BUT THAT'S NO MORE THAN THE 4 OR 5 TRIPS THAT AMAZON MAY MAKE EVERY DAY. PLUS FEDEX PLUS UBER PLUS FAVOR PLUS FRIENDS AND FAMILY, PLUS SCHOOL DROP OFFS, PLUS SCHOOL PICKUPS FOR OTHER CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE OLDER IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. BUT HER HER AT HOME DAYCARE CONVERTED GARAGE IS A SPECIAL, SAFE, QUIET PLACE FOR CHILDREN TO LEARN. IT'S AN AMAZING ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS THEY SAID, HER

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103 VISTA IN ROUND ROCK. I SERVE AS THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MANAGER FOR MAGNOLIA. GREAT. IN THE FALL, AS THE BOARD MEMBER SAID, WE DID HAVE A MEETING AND WORKED WITH TRYING TO KIND OF RESOLUTION FOR HER IN THE DAYCARE. THE MAIN ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT THE THE THE COMMUNITY ITSELF IN THIS PICTURE DOES NOT DO IT JUSTICE. YOU HAVE TO DRIVE BY 28 HOMES TO GET TO HER ESTABLISHMENT. AND THAT'S THIS CUL DE SAC IS NOT ONLY JUST THIS CUL DE SAC, BUT IT CONTINUES ON. THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT NEEDS TO BE. THE HOA WOULD PREFER THAT THIS IS NOT ALLOWED. WE ALSO GAVE HER THAT OPINION, AND WE FELT LIKE AT THE TIME THAT SHE WAS LOOKING TO MOVE ANYWAY. AND SO IT WAS NEVER. BUT IT IS STRICTLY AGAINST ALL THE COVENANTS AND REGULATIONS OF THE HOA. IT WAS HOW IT WAS STARTED, I DO NOT KNOW. BUT EVIDENTLY THERE WERE A LOT OF WORDS THROUGHOUT THE TIME THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON. BUT AS FAR AS HOA IS CONCERNED, WE ARE COMPLETELY AGAINST HAVING THIS DAYCARE BEING THERE. WE FELT LIKE THERE WERE MANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR HER TO FIND A PROPER PLACE TO HAVE A DAYCARE OTHER THAN A VERY, VERY SECLUDED CUL DE SAC. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. THERESA MIRAFLOR. HEY MAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS TERESA MIRAFLOR AND I LIVE IN SIX, FOUR, FOUR SILVER CREEK DRIVE, LEANDER, TEXAS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND AND GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR ALSO BEING HERE. WE LOVE YOUR HOUSE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME. SO WHENEVER WE PASS IT, WE'RE ALWAYS LIKE, THAT'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL HOME. SO JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE WELCOME. SO I AM HERE TO SUPPORT MRS. SHANTI AND DEWDROPS MONTESSORI. MY DAUGHTER ATTENDED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. SHE'S GRADUATED SINCE THEN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE WHOLE IDEA OF HER SAYING THAT SHE WAS GOING TO LEAVE AND AND MOVE. AND IT WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS EXTREMELY FRIGHTENED OF BEING IN THAT HOME, BECAUSE SHE WAS CONSTANTLY BEING HARASSED AND TARGETED. AND SO SINCE SHE LIVES THERE BY HERSELF AS A SINGLE MOM, SHE FELT THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE ATTACKED AND HURT. AND SO SHE FELT THE ONLY SAFE THING TO DO WAS TO MOVE. AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY THE ONLY REASON WHY SHE WOULD WANT TO MOVE, BECAUSE SHE LOVES THAT HOME SO MUCH. AND SHE'S DONE SUCH A BIG SHE'S MADE SUCH A BIG IMPACT INTO THIS COMMUNITY, LIKE FINDING A REALLY GOOD QUALITY EDUCATION, QUALITY CARE, QUALITY TIME FOR YOUR KIDS, KNOWING THAT THEY ARE IN TRUSTED HANDS. IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND IN THE CITY OF LEANDER, AND I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT, BUT IT REALLY IS. EITHER THEY'RE JUST MONEY HUNGRY CHURCHES THAT DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN, BUT MRS. SHANTI REALLY PUTS IN THE EFFORT TO REALLY CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS. AND SHE'S ALWAYS SHE'S ALWAYS EMPHASIZED. I JUST WANT TO SAY SHE'S ALWAYS EMPHASIZED HOW SHE WANTS TO RESPECT YOUR HOME TO ALL THE PARENTS AND TO ALL THE CHILDREN. AND THE NOISES THAT THE CHILDREN MAKE ARE NO MORE THAN WHAT A CHILDREN WOULD BE, WOULD BE OUTSIDE PLAYING BASKETBALL OR FOOTBALL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THERE'S NO CARS THERE. EXCESSIVE. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY COMMOTIONS OF ANY SORT. MRS. SHANTI HAS ALWAYS PUT SO MUCH CARE INTO EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING. SHE'S A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN AND A WONDERFUL ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE TOWN AND TO THE TOWN OF LEANDER. SHE'S MAKING A POSITIVE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IF SHE IS NOT ABLE TO RUN THIS BUSINESS, MANY FAMILIES WILL BE IMPACTED, MANY OF THEM. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE ARE PLENTY OF HOMES IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT RUN SMALL

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THIS IS NOT JUST CHILD CARE. IT'S A TRUE MONTESSORI ENVIRONMENT WHERE CHILDREN ARE ENCOURAGED TO BE INDEPENDENT, FOCUSED AND GENUINELY ENGAGED. WE'VE SEEN STELLA DEVELOP SKILLS, DISCIPLINE AND CURIOSITY WELL BEYOND WHAT WE EXPECTED AT HER AGE.

AFFORDABILITY IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT PIECE. HIGH QUALITY CHILD CARE IS OFTEN OUT OF REACH FOR MANY FAMILIES, AND DEWDROPS PROVIDES THAT LEVEL OF CARE AND EDUCATION AT A COST THAT IS FAR MORE ACCESSIBLE. I ALSO WANT TO DIRECTLY ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT. OVER NEARLY TWO YEARS, THE ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY QUIET, REMARKABLY SO, IT FEELS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PEACEFUL HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE NO DISTURBANCES, NO EXCESS NOISE, AND NOTHING THAT DISRUPTS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THE SAME GOES FOR TRAFFIC. I HAVE PERSONALLY NEVER SEEN MORE THAN TWO CARS AT ANY GIVEN TIME DURING DROP OFF OR PICKUP. THE STAGGERED SCHEDULING WORKS EXACTLY AS INTENDED, PREVENTING CONGESTION AND KEEPING EVERYTHING ORDERLY AND RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

DEWDROPS IS NOT JUST BENEFICIAL FOR FAMILIES LIKE MINE. IT OPERATES IN A WAY THAT FULLY RESPECTS AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS PERMIT. APPROVING THIS IS NOT INTRODUCING A DISRUPTION. IT'S CONTINUING SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY WORKING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL FOR BOTH FAMILIES AND LEANDER COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. CARSON HORWITT. YES, SIR. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HELLO, MY NAME IS CARSON HORWITT AND MY ADDRESS IS 2109 ROZEN JAYWALK IN LEANDER, TEXAS. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT DEWDROPS AND MISS ASHANTI. TWO YEARS AGO DURING MY DIVORCE, I URGENTLY NEEDED AFFORDABLE DAYCARE FOR MY SON, AND WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND DEWDROPS HOME DAYCARE. WHAT WE FOUND WAS MORE THAN DAYCARE. WE FOUND A PLACE THAT TRULY HELPED SHAPE MY SON'S FUTURE. OVER THE TWO YEARS HE WAS THERE IN A SMALL CLASSROOM SETTING. MRS. ASHANTI HELPED INCREASE MY SON'S CONFIDENCE. I IDENTIFIED AREAS WHERE HE NEEDED TO IMPROVE BEFORE KINDERGARTEN AND ADVANCED HIS LEARNING SIGNIFICANTLY. MISS ASHANTI HAS ALSO WORKED TIRELESSLY TO BE A RESPECTFUL NEIGHBOR, GOING SO FAR AS STAGGERING PICK UP TIMES AND DROP OFF TIMES TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING HOMES. AND I'LL FINISH WITH LEANDER IS. IT'S A RAPIDLY GROWING CITY AS CHILDCARE COSTS.

ALL COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE. FAMILIES NEED MORE OPTIONS, NOT FEWER. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE CITY TO APPROVE AN SOP FOR DEW DROPS IN SUPPORT OF HOME, DAYCARE AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ACROSS ALL OF LEANDER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR, AND I WILL APOLOGIZE AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE I'M GOING TO MESS THIS NAME UP. BUT JAGANNATH, DONNA. YEAH, YEAH, YOU'RE BEING NICE.

PLEASE, SIR, SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME

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ASHANTI HAS SHOWN EXCEPTIONAL CARE AND DEDICATION IN MANAGING HIS CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF HER PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT. MY SON HAS FLOURISHED RIGHT NOW. FURTHERMORE, WE ARE DEEPLY COMMITTED TO BEING A RESPECTFUL NEIGHBORS AND IN OUR DAILY DROP OFF AND PICK UP, WE TAKE GREAT IN ENSURE TO. WE DON'T CAUSE ANY TRAFFIC OR NOISE. ENTRANCE TO THE SURROUNDING RESTAURANT AND IN OUR DAILY. IN OUR DAILY COMMUTE, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY OF ANY OTHER NEIGHBOR AND WE PARK ONLY IN THE ASHANTI PARKWAY. WE VALUE THIS COMMUNITY AND ALSO IT MODELS GOOD CHARACTER FOR OUR CHILDREN AND MADE IT PEACEFUL AND RESPECTFUL PRESENCE. I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE HIGH QUALITY DEEP CARE PROVIDED AT THIS LOCATION, AND STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR THE DAYCARE TO CONTINUE AT THIS SITE. IT IS VITAL RESOURCE FOR OUR FAMILY AND COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE THIS DAYCARE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR MICHAEL DENNIS. YES, SIR. IF YOU SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS MICHAEL DENNIS. I LIVE AT 4517 TRINITY WOODS HERE IN LEANDER. I. I'VE BEEN A LEANDER RESIDENT MY ENTIRE LIFE. WENT TO LEANDER SCHOOLS. SO I KNOW WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ABOUT. WE HAD TWO CHILDREN THAT WERE. WENT THROUGH THE DAYCARE PROGRAMS THAT MISS ASHANTI PROVIDES, AND I COULD NOT FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT SHE. HER IMPACT WAS ON OUR. ON OUR KIDS, WE HAD MULTIPLE. TRYING TO FIND DIFFERENT DAYCARE SERVICES BEFORE WE FOUND. FOUND HERS AND IT WAS NOT NEARLY WHAT SHE CAN PROVIDE HER. HER VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY IS OUTSTANDING AND OUR KIDS WOULD NOT BE THE KIDS THAT THEY ARE NOW WITHOUT HER.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SHE. MORE FAMILIES NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE GUIDANCE SUCH AS SHE PROVIDES AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT HER, HER ENDEAVORS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SIR TRAVIS GRIFFIN. YES, SIR. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. MY NAME IS TRAVIS GRIFFIN. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MAGNOLIA HOA. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID BY MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER, MICHAEL AND THE ATTORNEY. AND JUST SPEAKING FOR THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A PERSONAL ISSUE IN DEBATING THE WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD BUSINESS OR BAD BUSINESS OR IT SOUNDS LIKE AN INCREDIBLE IMPACT TO THESE FAMILIES THAT ARE HERE. THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A BUSINESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WE'VE GOT OVER 200 HOMES. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AT THEIR HOUSES. I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE THAT EXTRA COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ELSEWHERE AND BE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESSES FROM HOME.

BUT WE HAVE A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A BLATANT VIOLATION OF THAT. AND WE WE REACHED OUT TO HER. WE WORKED WITH HER ON THIS. I, I CAUTION AGAINST MAKING A ZONING EXCEPTION JUST FOR ONE BUSINESS, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OTHER HOMES OUT THERE THAT ARE ALL GOING BY THESE RULES AND AGREED TO THEM. AND I'M, I'M, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC. WE HAVE THREE YOUNG KIDS AND WE WENT THROUGH A SIMILAR DAYCARE PROGRAM HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN LEANDER AREA. AND OUR OWNER WAS FORCED TO, YOU KNOW, NEEDED TO RELOCATE.

AND SHE FOUND A COMMERCIALLY, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL HOME AREA WHERE THAT WAS ALLOWED ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND IT'S THRIVING. AND THESE ARE A HUGE IMPACT FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR KIDS. THAT'S IMPORTANT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN HOA WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT EVERYBODY PAYS FOR AND EVERYBODY AGREES TO, TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS MAKING AN EXCEPTION, FOR ONE BUSINESS TO OPERATE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T. JUST AS SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS ALL OF OUR HOMES, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

AND I JUST I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AND THAT WAS THE LAST PERSON THAT I HAD SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT HASN'T SPOKEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. SO WHAT I'M WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS ONE AT A TIME.

YOU CAN COME UP ONCE YOU'RE DONE THOUGH. PLEASE GO OUTSIDE, GRAB A CARD AND HAND IT TO MISS TOVAR. ONCE YOU'RE DONE, YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK. OH, IF YOU HAVE A CARD, THAT'S GREAT.

SO COME ON UP, MA'AM. SO PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. I KNOW THERE'S MORE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. SO IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST STAND UP AND HEAD ON UP HERE. YES, MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. YES. MY NAME IS VANESSA KAUFMAN AND I LIVE AT 1107 DRAKE COVE. SO JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM ASHANTI. I WAS A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF HERS THERE, AND I NEVER DROVE MY CAR SO THAT THERE WAS ALWAYS A PARKING SPACE AVAILABLE TO THE PARENTS. I WALKED THERE, I APPRECIATED HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE EMPLOYED THERE, AS WELL AS THE TIME I COULD TAKE OFF TO TAKE MY OWN KIDS TO SCHOOL AND DISMISSAL AND SUCH. THERE IS NO IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS PARKING OR TRAFFIC, NO MORE THAN ANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE CUL DE SAC, CONSTANTLY DOING CONSTRUCTION TO THEIR HOMES THAT HAVE SEVERAL TRUCKS BLOCKING THE CUL DE SAC THAT HER PARENTS CANNOT EVEN GET INTO HER DRIVEWAY FOR DROP OFF AND PICK UP. THERE ARE SEVERAL DELIVERIES CONSTANTLY TO THOSE HOMES IN THE CUL DE SAC. AND ME AS A HOMEOWNER HOMEOWNER FARTHER DOWN THE STREET. I'M NOT BOTHERED BY THAT. RIGHT? THERE'S THE PASSING OF CARS IS ALL DAY BY TEENAGERS, BY FAMILIES, NOT JUST HER PRESCHOOL. SHE'S DOING WAY MORE THAN A DAYCARE OR BABYSITTING. SHE IS TEACHING YOUNG MINDS OF THIS COMMUNITY TO GROW UP TO BE RESPONSIBLE STUDENTS AND ADULTS. AND OUT OF RESPECT, THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS CAUSING DISTURBANCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS HER NEIGHBOR, YELLING AT PARENTS WHEN THEY COME BY, CAUSING SCENES IN FRONT OF STUDENTS AND CHILDREN'S WALKING DOWN THE STREET ARGUING WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS. THAT IS THE ONLY DISTURBANCE THAT I SEE. THERE IS NO NOISE FROM THE ACTUAL PRESCHOOL. IT IS THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S COMPLAINING AND THREATENING HER BUSINESS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MISS KAUFMAN. PLEASE REMEMBER TO FILL OUT A CARD FOR US. OKAY, THANKS. YES, MA'AM. COME ON UP. PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. HI, MY NAME IS SHANTE DENNIS. I LIVE AT 4517 TRINITY WOODS. I HAVE KNOWN MISS ASHANTI SINCE PROBABLY 2013. WE HAVE TWO BOYS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH HER PROGRAM AND ARE NOW WITHIN LEANDER ISD SCHOOLS. I'M ALSO A SCHOOL TEACHER WITHIN LEANDER, AND I PURPOSELY SOUGHT OUT MONTESSORI SCHOOL FOR MY CHILDREN BECAUSE I KNOW OF THE BENEFITS. AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, BOTH OF OUR KIDS ARE IN ACCELERATED CLASSES.

THEY HAVE THEIR ON ATHLETIC TEAMS WITHIN THE SCHOOL AND ARE JUST STELLAR PARTS OF THEIR SCHOOL COMMUNITY. MANY OF THEIR SCHOOL TEACHERS CAN TALK TO THAT POINT. MISS ASHANTI HAS BEEN BULLIED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BY HER NEIGHBOR. SHE'S A SINGLE MOM. SHE LIVES ALONE IN THE HOME AND HER NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE IT VERY INHOSPITABLE FOR HER TO BE ABLE

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. COME ON. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. HI, MY NAME IS JANICE GILBERT. I LIVE AT 907 TANGLEWOOD DRIVE, LEANDER, I AM HERE. MY HUSBAND AND OUR SON IN SUPPORT OF MISS ASHANTI. THIS IS A VERY SHORT MESSAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR EVERYBODY. OUR SON WAS PREVIOUSLY A STUDENT AT ASHANTI MONTESSORI SCHOOL. AS HE PREPARES TO ENTER HIGH SCHOOL, WE REMAIN CONFIDENT THAT THE PRIMARY EDUCATION, GUIDANCE AND DISCIPLINE HE RECEIVED FROM ASHANTI PROVIDED A FOUNDATION THAT WILL SERVE HIM THROUGHOUT THE LIFE. WE BELIEVE DREW DROPS SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO OFFER THE SAME LEVEL OF EDUCATION AND SAFETY FOR CHILDREN, WHILE ALSO ALLOWING PARENTS TO MANAGE THEIR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MA'AM. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. I HEARD A YES. SO I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. YES, SIR. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THANK YOU ALL. MY NAME IS CJ SCHMIDT. I LIVE AT 322 LUTTRELL.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE OUR HOA TAKING CARE OF THIS MATTER. THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. SHE.

WE HAVE A POOL THAT'S BEEN DELAYED SEVERAL TIMES BY MR. SHANTA PROVIDING VALUABLE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WATCHING OUR CHILDREN. MRS. SHANTI DID SOMETHING DRAMATICALLY IMPRESSIVE TO ME. SHE ACTUALLY GOT RID OF MY DAUGHTER OUT OF HER DAYCARE, LOST MONEY TO HELP HER WITH THE ELL PROGRAM HERE IN LEANDER. SHE PROVIDED THAT GUIDANCE TO NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM AND GET HER THE PROPER CARE FOR HER LEARNING DISABILITY. SO WITH THAT, MR. SHANTI, MY DAUGHTER WOULD BE WAY BEHIND AND NOT BEING READY TO GO INTO KINDERGARTEN NEXT YEAR. WITH HER GUIDANCE, WE ARE NOW ABLE TO BRING HER INTO KINDERGARTEN AT APPROPRIATE AGE AND ABILITIES. SO WHEN YOU GO THERE, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THERE'S A BUSINESS, BUT YOU WALK DOWN TULA TRAIL. I COULD FIND FIVE OTHER HOUSES WITH BUSINESSES, BUT THEY'RE PICKING ON MISS ASHANTI FOR A QUIET RESIDENTIAL AREA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SIR, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. COME ON UP. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. HI, MY NAME IS RANJIT. I JUST I DIDN'T PREPARED ANYTHING, BUT I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT ASHANTI BECAUSE MY KID WAS ONE OF ONE OF THE STUDENT OF ASHANTI. LIKE SHE, SHE WAS THERE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS. AND I WANT TO SAY LIKE, SHE REALLY GAVE A GOOD SUPPORT TO THE KIDS. SO SHE ACTUALLY TEACHES VERY GOOD MORAL AND DEFINITELY LIKE, WE WOULD LIKE HER TO CONTINUE THERE SO THAT OTHER PARENTS CAN ALSO GET THE SAME KIND OF SUPPORT FOR THE KIDS. AND AS A PARENT, I KNOW LIKE WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED, SHE IS ALWAYS CONCERNED, LIKE WE SHOULD NEVER PARK ON OTHER DRIVEWAY. SO WE HAVE NEVER EVER PARKED ON OTHER DRIVEWAY. WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T BLOCK ANY NEIGHBORS. WE ALWAYS PARK ON DRIVEWAY. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PARENTS DOING THAT. SO IF ANYONE IS COMING, COMING OVER, IT CAN BE SOME UPS FOR SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PARENTS COMING TO THAT SCHOOL, HAVE NEVER PARKED OR BLOCKED THE DRIVEWAY. SO SHE USED TO BE VERY SERIOUS IN THAT ONE. SHE USED TO BE LIKE, WE SHOULD NEVER PARK. AND SO WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND WE NEVER MAKE ANY NOISE OR ANY DISTURBANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE USED TO JUST FINALLY COME, JUST DROP OFF THE KID, TAKE THE KID AND GO TO HOME. SO SHE'S VERY LIKE, SHE'S, SHE, SHE, I WISH SHE SHOULD BE CONTINUED BECAUSE LIKE, SHE GIVES A GOOD EDUCATION TO THE KIDS. AND MY KID IS LIKE WAY AHEAD IN THE SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE TRAINING

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SO I, I USED TO SEE LIKE ALL, ALL THE KIDS PARENTS LIKE USED TO PARK IN FRONT OF A PARKING WHERE WE CAN PARK TWO CARS AT A TIME. SO MOSTLY LIKE THE PICKUP TIME WILL BE LIKE FLEXIBLE, LIKE, AND DROP OFF WILL BE LIKE 4 TO 5. SO DIFFERENT BRANDS COMES AT DIFFERENT TIMES. IT'S NOT LIKE ENDING EVERY PARENTS COMING TOGETHER. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S CREATING ANY PROBLEM TO THE NEIGHBORS. YEAH. THANK YOU. AWESOME. THANK YOU SIR. IF YOU JUST GIVE YOUR CARD TO MISS TOVAR OVER TO YOUR RIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL ENTER INTO DISCUSSION. AND I WILL START TO MY RIGHT WITH COMMISSIONER MORALES. YEAH. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR SPEAKING. YOU KNOW, YOUR EVERYTHING ELSE SAID DOES MATTER TO US. WE LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO, AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, TRY TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THINGS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY. I DID HEAR A FEW PEOPLE SAYING WE WERE ON REZONING, SO TODAY'S WE ARE NOT VOTING ON REZONING. IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE LOOK AT HOW COMMERCIAL ZONING AND RESIDENTIAL, HOW THEY RELATE. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO BE NEXT TO THAT OTHER BUSINESS OR NOT? SO THERE'S LOTS OF TIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT JUST DOESN'T FIT IN THAT AREA. SO LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK. THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF YOU TOLD ME YOU'RE RUNNING A DAYCARE IN-HOUSE, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT THE REGULATIONS SAY UP TO FIVE PEOPLE. YOU TOLD ME YOU'RE RUNNING A SCHOOL IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TO ME, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT FITS IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I, I THINK ABOUT IF THIS WAS MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT IF THEY RUN AN IN-HOUSE DAYCARE, BUT IF IT'S A SCHOOL THAT, THAT TO ME, YOU'RE NO LONGER MEETING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE MOVING OUTSIDE THAT ZONE. IT DOESN'T FEEL APPROPRIATE. SO THAT'S HOW I FEEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LEWIS. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. FOR COMING. REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK. FIRST OF ALL, KIND OF I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE RULES. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS CAN THE COMMUNITY GET TOGETHER WITH THE HOA AND MAYBE PUT SOME KIND OF AN AMENDMENT, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT? BUT AS EVERYTHING IS WRITTEN, WE HAVE TO I MEAN, MY FEELING IS, IS THE WAY THE COVENANT IS WRITTEN AND EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE. WHILE SHE SERVES AN AMAZING SERVICE. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS, YOU CONTINUE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHETHER IT BE THERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY BENEFITED A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE IN. WE'VE WE'VE GOT CERTAIN GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AND EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. SO THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. IS THERE SOME WAY YOU CAN GET WITH THE HOA TO SEE ABOUT MAKING AN EXCEPTION OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. COMMISSIONER OLIVER. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SURE.

NO NO NO NO. THIS IS. YEAH. THERE WAS NO QUESTION. YEAH. THANKS AGAIN EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY PARTICIPATING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS REALLY DOES MEAN A LOT TO US. SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS DID SAY THIS. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL ARE OUT HERE TODAY. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE READ UP AND DOWN, LEFT AND RIGHT, AND I LIVE AND BREATHE THEM IN MY COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN TEXAS, TEXAS STATE LAW, THEY DO ALLOW DAYCARE AND PRESCHOOLS. AND SO WHETHER IT'S A DAYCARE OR A MONTESSORI PRESCHOOL, WHICH THIS IS, THOSE ARE FULLY ADMISSIBLE UNDER STATE LAW. OUR CITY ORDINANCE ALLOWS A DAYCARE PRESCHOOL TO OPERATE AS WELL, UP TO FIVE KIDS. AS LONG AS WE HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CONFLICT HERE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE FOUR PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE BECAUSE THE GARAGE HAS BEEN CONVERTED. HOWEVER, I'VE BEEN LOOKING, YOU KNOW, ALL NIGHT AT THE AERIALS AND I'M, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY'S DRIVEWAY IS CREATED EQUAL. I KNOW MINE IS RELATIVELY SHORTER THAN MOST, BUT MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET CAN PROBABLY FIT SIX CARS IN HIS DRIVEWAY AND LITERALLY CAN FIT SIX CARS. SO

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MY, MY ONE QUESTION. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP REAL QUICK? I HAD DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY, MISS ASHANTI, RIGHT? YES, YES. AND LAST NAME'S PEREIRA. PEREIRA.

PEREIRA. THANK YOU. SO, MISS PEREIRA, I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, DID YOU? YOU DID AT ONE POINT HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION. YES. SO I MOVED TO 1202 DRAKE COVE IN 2008. OKAY.

I MOVED FROM LOS ANGELES, AND MY YOUNGEST SON, WHO'S NOW IN THE MILITARY WAS TWO YEARS. SO I WANTED TO USE MY EXPERIENCE AND ALSO NOT SPEND TIME WITH HIM. SO I STARTED THEN THE H-E-B PLUS WAS NOT EVEN OPEN. I FOUND ONE PARENT WHO WAS DESPERATELY. IT WAS A CRICKET STORE OR SOMETHING. SHE WAS. THERE WAS NO DAYCARE. THERE WAS. I WAS THE FIRST MONTESSORI TO OPEN IN LEANDER AND I GOT. IT'S CALLED LISTER. IF YOU HAVE THREE KIDS, LICENSE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A LISTED HOME DAYCARE, RIGHT. AND THEN AFTER THAT I WENT UP TO SIX AS REGISTERED.

AND THEN I HAD OVERWHELMING. I JUST COULD NOT PUT THE PHONE DOWN. AND I WENT, MY LICENSING REP ITSELF SAID, ASHANTI, THERE AREN'T GOOD CENTERS LIKE YOU. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR LICENSE TO GET 12 KIDS. AND THEN IN 2013, MY EX-HUSBAND, BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MANY PEOPLE ASKING, CONVINCED ME TO MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE. AND I GREW UP TO 115 CHILDREN, BUT I WENT THROUGH A DIVORCE, I NEGLECTED MY KIDS, AND I JUST COULD NOT GIVE THE SAME QUALITY. I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT BIG CENTERS, BUT I LOST THE PASSION I HAD TO TEACH BECAUSE I AM MORE WORRIED ABOUT THIS TEACHER IS NOT COMING IN TODAY. WHERE AM I GOING TO PUT PUTTING 20 KIDS IN A CLASSROOM? I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY, AND THEN AT THAT TIME, THE HOA HAD CHANGED AND WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, I ASKED THEM, I SAID, THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WE ARE BUYING THIS HOUSE. AND I WAS TOLD I CAN HAVE IT. AND NOW I ACTUALLY HAVE SENT A DOCUMENT THROUGH A LAWYER BECAUSE APPARENTLY MY LAWYER HAD ASKED WITHIN TWO WEEKS TO GET BACK FOR THE HOA TO GET BACK TO PROVE SOME DOCUMENTATION. AND I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LEGAL STUFF, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE JOY IS NOT REALLY LEGIT. OKAY. AND TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION ABOUT DAYCARE AND PRESCHOOL, THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S DAYCARE OR PRESCHOOL IS SAME LICENSE, BUT DAYCARE WOULD BE JUST KIDS PLAYING OUTSIDE ALL DAY SCREAMING. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU HARDLY HEAR MY KIDS BECAUSE I'M TEACHING MY KIDS. MY KIDS GO OUT IN THE MORNING. LICENSING LICENSE REQUEST FOR MANDATORY OUTDOOR PLAY, 30 TO 40 MINUTES IN THE MORNING, AND WE GO AROUND 1045, AND THEN THEY HAVE LUNCH AT 1130. AND THEN IN THE EVENING, IF, IF I HAVE LESS KIDS, LIKE 2 OR 3 LEFT, I STAY LONGER OUTSIDE. BUT IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I LOVE ALL MY NEIGHBORS. BUT SOMETIMES I HEAR NEIGHBORS KIDS PLAYING EVEN TILL TEN IN THE NIGHT AND MY SCHOOL IS 8 TO 5. OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF

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AND THE ONLY REASON I BELIEVE ME, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE MY SCHOOL HERE, BUT I WENT THROUGH A REALLY BAD DIVORCE AND I, I CANNOT AFFORD THE DAY I CAN MOVE OUT OF THIS HOUSE. I AM GOING TO MOVE BECAUSE I LIVE IN A LOT OF FEAR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE REPORTS, I HAVE BEEN THREATENED AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY SCARY. I LIVE BY MYSELF. MY OLDEST SON LIVES IN DENVER AND MY YOUNGEST SON IS IN THE MILITARY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS CASTILLO, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS, VIEW ON THIS. THE RECOMMENDED OPTION TO DENIAL IS THAT STRICTLY BECAUSE THE PARKING. SO IT'S THE PARKING FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL. SO HOW MANY SPACES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. I GUESS THIS REQUEST. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO FOR JUST THE RESIDENTIAL USE. IT'S TWO ENCLOSED SPACES. SO IN THE GARAGE AND TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES, SHE HAS ENCLOSED THE GARAGE IN ORDER TO CONVERT IT TO THE DAYCARE. SO SHE NO LONGER HAS THOSE TWO SPACES. SO SHE CURRENTLY ONLY HAS TWO PARKING SPACES IN THE DRIVEWAY. GOT IT. SO OKAY, SO SHE HAS TO HAVE TWO ENCLOSED AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE ITSELF. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEN SHE NEEDS TWO MORE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE PRESCHOOL, IT WOULD BE ONE FOR EVERY 400FT■!S. SO DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, SIZE OF. OKAY. GOT IT. SO IF I'M OPERATING A SMALL BUSINESS OUT OF MY HOME, WHAT WHAT ARE MY GUIDELINES FOR THAT THEN IF IT'S A IN HOME OCCUPATION, THERE WOULDN'T BE ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT THIS WOULDN'T BE QUALIFIED AS AN IN-HOME DAYCARE. GOT IT. OKAY. SO LIKE WORKING FROM HOME DOESN'T REALLY MATTER AT THAT POINT. ALL THAT THING. OKAY, JUST JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION HERE ON THAT.

SO FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, HAVE WE HAD ANY, IS THE CITY RECEIVED ANY REPORTS OR ISSUES REGARDING TRAFFIC OR PARKING VIOLATIONS IN THIS AREA? BECAUSE I ALSO KNOW LIKE TECHNICALLY HOA CAN'T EVEN ENFORCE PARKING ON THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT. I'M CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM. BUT NONETHELESS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THAT BECAUSE NO, NOT IN PARTICULAR, NOT FOR THE PARKING. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK WE WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME EMAILS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND TRAFFIC. OKAY. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THIS IS LOOKING TO RECOMMEND UP TO SIX KIDS DURING NORMAL DAY USE. IF THE WITH THE ADDITIONAL SIX EXPANSION, WHAT WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF ADDING THE SIX MORE KIDS? BECAUSE THAT WOULD GET HER UP TO 12 UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. SO IT WOULD BE AFTER SCHOOL CARE. SO IT WOULD BE AFTER THE THE SCHOOL DAY. SO SO SCHOOL CARE LIKE WHAT? LIKE DOES THAT. SO BECAUSE IT'S A PRESCHOOL, BECAUSE YOU KIND OF SEE WHERE I'M GOING HERE, LIKE KINDERGARTEN MIGHT END A LOT SOONER THAN MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH ENDS A LOT LATER. SO I THINK THE INTENT IS ALSO THE AGE OF THE KIDS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE THE INFANTS AND TODDLERS, IT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL AGED KIDS, RIGHT? 5 TO 13 YEARS. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE I MEAN, ALSO WITH THE NOISE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP OR CONCERNS POTENTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S A SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOSTLY SPENDING TIME INSIDE LEARNING VERSUS BEING OUTSIDE LIKE A DAYCARE THAT'S USUALLY ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING. IS THAT TRUE OR OR IS THAT SO? WE DON'T HAVE ANY STANDARDS FOR THAT, FOR THAT.

OKAY. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE. OKAY. SO SO WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF NOISE ORDINANCE POTENTIALLY, OR THE LOCATION OF IT, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT TOO CLOSE TO NEIGHBORS, MAKING SURE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE IN THE BACKYARD FOR THE PLAYGROUND. OKAY. ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU.

I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. GREAT. VICE CHAIR LANTRIP. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AS SOME OTHERS HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH MAYBE A NARROWER LENS THAN I KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL LOOKING AT IT. I AM VERY IMPRESSED BY THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT MISS ASHANTI AND HOW WONDERFUL SHE IS WITH THE CHILDREN. I THINK THAT THAT IS MUST BE VERY NICE TO HEAR. YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE SAY ALL THESE NICE THINGS ABOUT YOU, AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE SCHOOL IS GOOD OR BAD OR GOOD FOR THE CHILDREN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR EXPERTISE, REALLY, OR PURVIEW. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE FRICTIONS GOING ON THAT ALSO IS NOT FOR US TO TRY TO GET INVOLVED IN OR TO GET INVOLVED IN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE HOA. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THOSE TYPE THINGS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. WHAT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE IS WHETHER A TEMPORARY SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD GO IN TO ALLOW FOR MORE THAN FIVE CHILDREN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, SHE'S IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE. AND I GUESS MY MISS CASTILLO, I, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE TIMING OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST. GIVEN THAT THE

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TRICKY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET I DON'T WANT TO GET HER IN TROUBLE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO ME TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED STAFF TO WORK ON. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE TO VOTE ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TONIGHT, I, I THINK IT SHOULD BE POSTPONED PERSONALLY. PERHAPS THAT'S TOO MUCH TIME, I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT EVERYONE THINKS, BUT. I WOULD TEND TO MAKE MY VOTE CONTINGENT ON WHAT. THE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE NEW PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS. SO THAT COULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SINCE IT GOES TO COUNCIL NEXT MONTH. AND I IMAGINE THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE WILL PROBABLY BE 2 TO 3 MONTHS OUT. SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANKS, COMMISSIONER BRAY. YES. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY I'VE BEEN COMING TO COMMISSIONS AND PRESENTING IN FRONT OF BOARDS AND STUFF FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS. AND THIS IS ABOUT THE SECOND MOST PEOPLE HAVE EVER SEEN. SO I APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT STOOD UP HERE. THAT'S NOT EASY TO DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE. SO I THANK EVERYBODY FOR DOING THAT. IF YOU COULD STAND UP, MISS CASTILLO, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE GARAGE THAT WAS CONVERTED, I BELIEVE, IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. IT WAS STATED THAT THERE WERE NO PERMITS ISSUED FOR THAT. SO COULD YOU JUST EXPAND ON THAT? IS THERE A VIOLATION THERE? IS THERE. CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? GARAGES AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE CONVERTED, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE TWO ENCLOSED SPACES. AND SO WE HAVE TO EITHER HAVE A NEW GARAGE THAT GETS BUILT OR, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT HOW SHE'S GOING TO MEET THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO WE DID NOT GET ANY PERMITS FOR THAT. SHE DID HAVE ADD AN ADDITIONAL WALL INSIDE. SO WHEN YOU WALK IN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S A GARAGE. IT LOOKS LIKE JUST A NORMAL ROOM. THERE WAS A DOOR THAT WAS ADDED, WHICH IS A SIDE ENTRANCE WHERE THEY GO IN. SO THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED. SO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF REVERSE ENGINEERING. THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS OF THAT DOOR. THERE WAS SOME ELECTRIC WORK THAT WAS DONE. THERE WAS A MINI SPLIT. SO THE AC UNIT THAT WAS INSTALLED, THERE WAS ALSO SOME PLUMBING WORK THAT SHE ADDED A SINK IN THERE. SO THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE OKAY. SO IF. IF WE POSTPONE OR DON'T DO ANYTHING TONIGHT AND TAKE AN ACTION IN ORDER TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS, THAT'S THERE AT A MINIMUM, IF I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE FOR TWO INDOOR PARKING SPACES, PLUS AN EXPANDED DRIVEWAY OR SOME OTHER STRUCTURE, SOME OTHER GRASS, WHATEVER, HAS TO BE THERE FOR TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES. IS THAT ARE THOSE TWO STATEMENTS CORRECT? IF THIS DID NOT GET APPROVED? YES. SO IN ORDER TO MEET THE IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THE USE OF BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE DAYCARE OVER FIVE. OKAY, SO WE COULD APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING. IF YOU DID NOT ALLOW FOR THE PARKING WAIVER PORTION OF IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. SHE WOULD NEED TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WERE TAKEN OR NOT PROVIDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I NEED FROM YOU. SO FOR ME,

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BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING LIKE THAT HAS HAPPENED. AND THEN ABOUT THE PARKING. WE DO PARK FOR CARS IN MY DRIVEWAY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT. MUST BE SHORT, BUT I CAN PARK, FOCUS ON MY DRIVEWAY SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN'T PARK. AND I DID REMOVE THE SINK. I DID EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY ASKED ME.

THE ONLY THING IS THE WALL. I WAS ASKED NOT TO BAKE. YES. AND I CANNOT HAVE A SIX AFTER SCHOOL BECAUSE PARENTS GO TO WORK. SO IT'S A FULL DAY PROGRAM, 8 TO 5. OKAY, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT NOW IN THE DAYCARE, THERE ARE HOW MANY KIDS? 11, 11. SO RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I'M LICENSED FOR 12. YES, BY THE BY THE STATE. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE CITY ALLOWS. YEAH, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS CITY ORDINANCE.

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OKAY. MISS CASTILLO, I HAVE A QUESTION. BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING AROUND THIS, COMMISSIONER BRAY ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS UP AND I'M GLAD HE DID. SO CURRENTLY, WITH THE CONVERSION OF THE GARAGE, THEN THE HOUSE IS OUT OF CITY COMPLIANCE, BASICALLY. RIGHT. SO IF SHE WENT TO SELL THE HOUSE, IT WOULDN'T IT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED BECAUSE OF BEING OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITHOUT ERECTING AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO WE WOULDN'T PERMIT THE HOUSE ANYMORE. IT'S ALREADY BUILT, BUT IN THEORY, YES. OKAY. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAD JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. MISS ASHANTI, YOU SOUND WONDERFUL, RIGHT? JUST HEARING ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING HERE TO SUPPORT YOU. I MEAN, MY MY YOUNGEST IS 15. HE'LL BE 16 IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, BEFORE. I WISH I WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT YOU BACK THEN, TO BE HONEST. SO I'M GIVING YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THIS, RIGHT. BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUR DAYCARE. IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE AS A CITY WANT TO HAVE IN SPECIFIC PARTS OF OUR CITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UP HERE TO DO. IF IT WAS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR DAYCARE MAN, I'D BE ALL FOR IT. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR ROLE IS. OUR ROLE IS TO DETERMINE, IS THIS THE BEST USE FOR THAT, FOR THAT SPACE? AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT HAS LARGER IMPLICATIONS THAN JUST YOUR DAYCARE, AS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE. AND ARE WE SETTING PRECEDENT HERE? I'LL ALSO SAY, THOUGH, THIS IS NOT AN HOA MEETING, RIGHT? WE DON'T ENFORCE CC, CC AND THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. RIGHT? SO IN ORDER TO WHEN YOU LIVE IN AN HOA, IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT HAS TO BOTH MEET THE CITY REQUIREMENTS AND THE HOA REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T MEET ONE OF THOSE TWO, THEN YOU UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T DO IT. AND IN YOUR CASE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STATE. SO YOU MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AND NOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CITY STUFF HERE. AND HOA IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE HOA. IT'S NOT ON US. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL AN HOA WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO. IT'S ALSO NOT MY PLACE. BUT I'M WE'RE NOT HERE TO TO SOLVE THAT. I. YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK ABOUT IT MORE THAN JUST PARKING. THAT'S WHY I WAS GLAD COMMISSIONER BRAY BROUGHT IT UP WITH THE, THE ENCLOSURE AND THE IMPACTS TO THE HOME AND NOT MEETING CITY ORDINANCES AND OTHER SPACES AS WELL. RIGHT. AND IT IS TOTALLY FAIR THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD ONLY HAVE FIVE PEOPLE, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT ANYTIME YOU'RE, YOU'RE ERECTING A STRUCTURE AND THIS IS FOR ANYONE OUT THERE AND YOU GET A CONTRACTOR, THEY NEED TO BE GETTING PERMITS, RIGHT? ANYTIME THAT AT LEAST THAT I'VE SEEN WHEN I BUILT ANYTHING AT MY HOUSE AND I BELONG TO AN HOA, THERE WAS ALWAYS A CONDITION ON THAT APPROVAL THAT I MET ALL CITY REQUIREMENTS. AND SO THAT MEANS THAT YOUR CONTRACTOR HAS TO MEET ALL CITY REQUIREMENTS. SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE LESS FORGIVING IN THE NOT KNOWING ABOUT THAT, JUST TO BE HONEST, THAT'S JUST ME. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE WHEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS, I, I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PARKING. SO GOING BACK TO YOUR, YOUR PARKING THING, THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY REQUIRE 18FT PER VEHICLE, RIGHT? WHETHER YOU CAN FIT FOUR CARS IN A SPACE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S 36FT OF SPACE FOR CARS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. AGAIN, THAT'S THE CITY ORDINANCE ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. SO THERE'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME, IT'S ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE THERE'S A GREAT USE BEING DONE OUT OF THAT PLACE, A GREAT VALUE THAT'S BEING GIVEN OUT OF YOUR HOME, AND AN AMAZING PERSON DOING SO. AS I SAID THAT I CAN TELL JUST FROM THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEAR TONIGHT. HOWEVER, TAKING THE EMOTION OUT OF IT AND TAKING AND LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE RULES AND WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE PRECEDENTS WE WANT TO SET, THEN I, I PERSONALLY AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AT THIS POINT. SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK HONESTLY, AT THIS POINT, I'M PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT HERE. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. AND UNTIL THE OUTCOME OF THE COUNCIL HEARING REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THEIR

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MY QUESTION THAT WAS MY QUESTION TOO. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHAT'S THE IMPACT TO THE BUSINESSES? AND THE EXACT SAME THING THAT COMMISSIONER BRADY DID. YOU GUYS WERE CHATTING ON THE SIDE OF THE QUESTION WAS JUST WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO CONTINUE? AND MISS CASTILLO SAID SHE DOESN'T KNOW, WHICH IS FAIR TO SAY, BECAUSE IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

IF IF Y'ALL SAY YOU'RE POSTPONING, THAT'S BASICALLY NO ACTION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL. GOT IT. SO IT'LL GO TO THE COUNCIL IN MAY, SO THEN THEY COULD POSTPONE IT. BUT AS LONG AS THE CITY IS TAKING ACTION ON THE CASE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH HER, I THINK THE LETTER CONTINUE THE BUSINESS. BUT IF SHE BECOMES NON-RESPONSIVE, THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A CODE VIOLATION AGAIN. WOULDN'T WE BE HERE AGAIN? NONE OF THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL WOULD STILL ADDRESS OR MEET HER. HER REQUEST TODAY. SO. SO I'M GOING TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK, MR. CASTILLO. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL.

IT WON'T COME BACK TO US. CORRECT. SO AND I AND I GET YOUR QUESTION OF WILL IT WILL IT MEET THE INTENT OF THE NEW THING? THAT'S FOR COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT, TO BE HONEST. RIGHT.

JUST TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY BLANK ON THAT POINT BLANK ON THAT. THAT'S FOR COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT, NOT US. SO WE CAN EITHER TAKE NO ACTION WHICH WHICH WE PROBABLY END UP BEING SPLIT IF WE TOOK A VOTE ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT. YEAH. SINCE THERE'S ONLY SIX OF US TONIGHT, OR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY, WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT. BUT REGARDLESS, IT'S GOING TO END UP GOING TO COUNCIL EITHER WITH NO ACTION OR WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM US. SO SORRY, MISS CASTILLO. AND THEN I GUESS LAST QUESTION. HOW, HOW, I GUESS HOW CLOSE IS SHE TO BECOMING, I GUESS, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODE VIOLATIONS, WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS? YES. SO SHE DID GET I BELIEVE SHE ALREADY GOT PERMITS FOR EVERYTHING. WE JUST ASKED HER NOT TO TAKE OUT THE WALL IN CASE THIS DID GET APPROVED, BECAUSE I THOUGHT I READ THAT IN THERE. SO I THOUGHT SHE SHE IS MOSTLY COMPLIANT NOW WITH HER PERMITS. RIGHT? RIGHT. SHE WAS WORKING TOWARDS THAT. GOT IT. I, I DIDN'T CHECK THE STATUS TODAY, BUT SHE WAS WORKING TOWARDS THAT. WE JUST ASKED HER TO NOT SUBMIT FOR THE WALL YET BECAUSE IF IT DID GET APPROVED, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEN SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE WALL. OTHERWISE SHE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE WALL AND MAKE SURE THAT SHE CAN HAVE THAT PARKING GARAGE OPEN UP AT SOME POINT IN TIME. CORRECT.

GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH. MY, MY, I STILL STAND BY MY MOTION. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO NO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR NO ACTION. THAT'S A NEW ONE FOR ME. YEAH, BUT NO ACTION I SECOND OKAY. SO OKAY, IN SIX AND A HALF YEARS SITTING UP HERE, THIS IS THE FIRST CASE LIKE THIS. AND IT'S THE FIRST MOTION LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR NO ACTION BY COMMISSIONER OLIVER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BRAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TAKING NO ACTION TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY WHY YOU'RE OPPOSED, COMMISSIONER? YEAH. REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THE SCHOOL IS APPROPRIATE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR. I HAVE LITTLE KIDS, TOO, AND I UNDERSTAND GETTING GOOD EDUCATION AND IT'S A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY THING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S JUST THANK YOU. AND NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH. SORRY, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THIS WILL GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. SO FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEN JUST MAKE SURE YOUR WINS, THE COUNCIL WINS EXCEPT FOR COUNCIL FIRST OR SECOND ONE IN MAY.

OKAY? YEAH. SO IT'LL BE THE SECOND. IT'LL BE THE THIRD THURSDAY IN MAY. SO BECAUSE COUNCIL WAS ON THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAYS OF MAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S WHEN 21ST. SO MAY 21ST WILL BE WHEN THIS ACTION ITEM COMES BEFORE COUNCIL. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SIGN UP AGAIN. THE SIGN UPS WILL BE AVAILABLE THE WEEK OF. AND THEN JUST LIKE THEY WERE FOR THIS ONE. ALSO, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AMONGST YOURSELVES AND SEND COUNCIL AN EMAIL. YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOUR VOICES ARE HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BEING HEARD BECAUSE WE LOVE IT. HONESTLY, WE, I MEAN, I, I LOVE IT WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE THAT COME OUT TO SPEAK. SO WE APPRECIATE IT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID. OH, SORRY, IT'S ACTUALLY JUNE 4TH, OH, JUNE 4TH. OKAY. SO THANK YOU, MISS CASTILLO, FOR CORRECTING US.

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