[11. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-25-0195 to amend the Leander Springs PUD (Planned Unit Development) with base zoning districts of MF-2-A (Multi-Family) and GC-3-A (General Commercial) to update the language as it relates to phasing and timing of the development, reduce the total number of apartments, and modify the phasing requirements on two (2) parcels of land approximately 77.90 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R403524 and R051592; and generally located southwest of the intersection of 183A Toll Road and RM 2243, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.

Discuss and consider action regarding Zoning Case Z-25-0195 as described above.

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UNANIMOUSLY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING ZONING CASE Z-25-0195 TO AMEND THE LEANDER SPRINGS PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE ZONING DISTRICTS OF M, F TWO, A MULTIFAMILY AND GC3A GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO UPDATE THE LANGUAGE AS IT RELATES TO PHASING AND TIMING OF THE DEVELOPMENT, REDUCE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APARTMENTS AND MODIFY THE PHASING REQUIREMENTS ON TWO PARCELS OF LAND APPROXIMATELY 77.9 ACRES IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY WILLIAMSON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCELS ARE 403524 AND R 051592 AND GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 183 A TOLL ROAD AND RM 2243. LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS. STAFF PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING. KARINA CASTILLO WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO AMEND THE LEANDER SPRINGS LANGUAGE TO REFLECT CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT RELATES TO PROJECT TIMING, THE LAGOON HOTEL AND MULTIFAMILY ELEMENTS. THE PROPOSAL DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE MULTI-USE CORRIDOR, AS IDENTIFIED BY THE COMP PLAN. WE DID HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CASE IN THE MAY 14TH MEETING, SO FOLLOWING THE MEETING, IT WAS NOTED THAT THE APPLICANT DID NOT PROPERLY NOTIFY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WAS LOCATED WITHIN 500FT OF THE SITE, SO THE CASE WAS POSTPONED TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THEM TO NOTIFY THE HOA. THEY DID NOTIFY THEM AND GET TO THAT PAGE. SO THERE WAS A LETTERS THAT WERE SENT OUT ORIGINALLY ON MAY 28TH, AND THEY SCHEDULED TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ON MAY 7TH AND MAY 12TH AT LAKEWOOD PARK. NO FEEDBACK WAS RECEIVED AT THAT POINT. BUT THEN ON MAY 28TH MEETING OR MAY 14TH MEETING, THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO. AFTER THAT, THEY REACHED OUT TO OVERLOOK ESTATES HOA WITH THE MEETING AT LAKEWOOD PARK ON JUNE 4TH. SO I DID ATTACH THE EXHIBIT EIGHT IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR OUTREACH. IT'S PART OF THE EVALUATION. THE COMMISSION HAS THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS.

OPTION NUMBER ONE IS TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. OPTION NUMBER TWO IS TO DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. OPTION NUMBER THREE IS TO APPROVE AN ALTERNATIVE REQUEST, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE A REDUCTION IN DENSITY AND OR HIGHER STANDARDS WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. WITH REGARDS TO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS TO BE ADOPTED THROUGHOUT THE SITE. IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT THIS SITE IS UNIQUE AND BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, STAFF RECOMMENDS OPTION ONE, WHICH IS TO APPROVE IT. IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO CHOOSE OPTION TWO TO DENY THE PUD AMENDMENT, THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE COUNCIL FOR ACTION. IF THE CASE IS DENIED, THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPTION TO DEVELOP UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR 35,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL OR TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED REQUEST FOR REVIEW, AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. GREAT. THANK YOU, MISS CASTILLO. APPLICANT PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. HELLO AGAIN. IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN, BUT GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF TRY TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS TONIGHT. BUT AS YOU KNOW THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR FIVE SIX YEARS. AND. ORIGINALLY THE PROJECT WAS

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BROUGHT BY A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER. THIS IS GOING BACK TO PROBABLY 2019, 2020. SO IT'S CHANGED HANDS A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND WE DO HAVE A NEW DEVELOPER THAT IS TAKING CONTROL OF THE PROJECT AND HAS BEEN IN CHARGE FOR PROBABLY THE LAST SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO HE IS HERE. IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM. ALL RIGHT. SO PROJECT OVERVIEW, 79 ACRES. WE'VE GOT 1200 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THIS IS A REDUCTION FROM THE 1600 THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PART OF THIS PROJECT. SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL MEET THE CITY'S TARGETS FOR DENSITY IN THIS AREA. SO THIS WAS DEFINITELY MEANT TO, I THINK, MAKE THE PROJECT MORE PALATABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT. WE DO HAVE PROJECT, WE DO HAVE A HOTEL WITH CONFERENCE AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A PHASED IN DEVELOPMENT. SO PHASE ONE IS BUILD THE LAGOON FIRST. THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IS THAT RIGHT? ROBIN. SO. THERE HAS BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER, YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY IT COULD BE BUILT AND THEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE ARE NOT GOING TO BE BUILT WITH THIS PROJECT. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE REQUIREMENT TO BUILD THE LAGOON WAS PART OF THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT, AND IT HAS NOW BECOME PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO THE LAGOON GETS BUILT IN PHASE ONE, COINCIDING WITH 400 UNITS, 352 UNITS OF RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN 100 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL. THE KEY CHANGES ON THIS AMENDMENT ARE THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY PHASE ONE, AGAIN REDUCED FROM THE 400, WHICH I THOUGHT TO 352 CONNECTIVITY TO THE MASON CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM. THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE LAGOON IS NON ESSENTIAL, AND THIS IS IN RELATION TO WATER. THE LAGOON IS NOT GOING TO BE FILLED, NOR IS IT GOING TO BE REFILLED KEPT FULL. THERE WON'T BE ONE DROP OF WATER THAT COMES FROM THE CITY SYSTEM INTO THE LAGOON. SO.

BUT. FOR OPTICS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED THAT IN CASE OF A SEVERE DROUGHT, IT COULD BE DEEMED NON-ESSENTIAL AND THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY WATER TAKEN FROM THE EVEN THE WELL TO FILL THE LAGOON. IF THE CITY SO DESIRES. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS REMOVING SOME OF THE COMPLETION DATES AROUND HOTEL CONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THE OTHER TIMELINES WERE REMOVED. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PUTTING INTO THE AGREEMENT WHAT WAS PART OF THE INCENTIVES, NO MULTIFAMILY CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY UNTIL THE LAGOON CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IS ISSUED. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR ACRE LAGOON. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A BOARDWALK THAT SURROUNDS THE LAGOON FOR MOST OF THE LAGOON, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL. THAT IS TRUE MIXED USE. SO WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A GOOD USE OF SPACE. AND WE HAVE EVENTUALLY AND OTHER PHASES. THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, WE HAVE PARKLAND, WE HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER, WE HAVE A SWIM UP BAR, AND THIS IS A FIRST CLASS DEVELOPMENT. SO. YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THE CITY, QUITE FRANKLY. AND THEN SOME OF THE KEY ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT,

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AGAIN, THE FOUR ACRE LAGOON, THE BEACH AREA, AGAIN, THIS IS A SANDY BEACH IN LEANDER. WE'VE GOT A HAMMOCK GROVE AND SWIM UP BAR. WE'VE GOT THE AMPHITHEATER AND ENTERTAINMENT BEACH AND A KIDDY POOL. THIS IS A STAGED PROJECT WITH A BUILD OUT OF APPROXIMATELY 12 YEARS AFTER GROUNDBREAKING. SO WE'VE GOT, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PHASE ONE, EACH PHASE HAS METRICS THAT REQUIRE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME AS RESIDENTIAL. SO THE TWO ARE TIED TOGETHER. SO THIS IS NOT AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A TRUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

LONG TERM SUSTAINED TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY, RISING SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES.

AND THIS IS TRUE OF THE OTHER LAGOONS THAT ARE BUILT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WORLDWIDE. AND THEN THE FINAL VISION OBVIOUSLY IS REALLY AN ATTRACTION FOR TOURISM THAT LEANDER DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE. THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE TO STAY AT THE HOTEL TO, YOU KNOW, BE AT THE LAGOON. AND OBVIOUSLY THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT THAT BRINGS IN FOR THE CITY WILL PROBABLY SURPASS ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY AS FAR AS SALES TAX. HERE IS THE PROJECTED ECONOMIC IMPACT, 2600 TOTAL JOBS, AVERAGE SALARY 66,000. YEARLY SALES TAX REVENUE 110 MILLION.

OFF THE CHARTS. CONSTRUCTION RELATED JOBS. OBVIOUSLY, WITH A 12 YEAR BUILD OUT. SO THIS IS A FINANCIAL WINDFALL FOR THE CITY. WHAT ABOUT THE WATER? WELL, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, NO CITY WATER WILL BE USED TO FILL THE LAGOON. THE LAGOON. THE WHOLE PROJECT SITS ON TOP OF THE TRINITY AQUIFER. THERE IS A WELL ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S 800FT DOWN. SO IT GETS INTO THE LOWER TRINITY, WHERE THERE IS. THIS AQUIFER GOES FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILES. SO FILLING THE WATER WITH THE WELL WILL TAKE ABOUT TWO MONTHS. THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IT WILL TAKE TO FILL THAT LAGOON IS A DRAIN ON THIS BEACH. A GRAIN OF SAND ON THIS BEACH TO HOW MUCH WATER IS IN THE TRINITY AQUIFER. SO IT IS NOT GOING TO DEPLETE THE AQUIFER ONE IOTA. IT'S TOO BIG. AND AGAIN, THE ONLY THING THAT DRAWS FROM THE CITY IS THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. AND THAT IS PHASED IN ALSO. SO A LOT OF THE WATER IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE THE DEEP WATER INTAKE, ARE GOING TO COINCIDE WITH, YOU KNOW, PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT COMING ONLINE. WHAT MAKES THIS TECHNOLOGY SO SPECIAL? IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THESE LAGOONS ARE BUILT, IT'S BAJA CALIFORNIA. THEY DON'T HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF WATER. WE'VE GOT ONE IN TEXAS CITY, HOUSTON. WE'VE GOT ONE IN PROSPER, TEXAS, WHICH IS NORTHWEST OF DALLAS, FORT WORTH.

WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE. WHERE ELSE AM I THINKING? OH, HUMBLE TEXAS OUTSIDE OF HOUSTON. AND THEN AGAIN, BAJA. THERE'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THERE'S ONE. I THINK, COMING TO CALIFORNIA ALSO ANOTHER ONE COMING TO CALIFORNIA. THE THING ABOUT THIS IS THE THING THAT MAKES THIS POSSIBLE IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT GOES INTO THE LINER AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY USED TO OFFSET THE EVAPORATION RATES. SO NORMAL EVAPORATION RATES ARE CUT IN HALF UP TO 80% OR FROM 50 TO 80%, BASED ON THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS USED. SO THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS USED ONGOING AFTER YOUR CITY MANAGER CALCULATED TO BE ABOUT THE SIZE OF A HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR PER YEAR.

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SO IT'S NOT A DRAIN ON THE AQUIFER ONCE IT GETS FILLED, JUST LIKE IT'S NOT FILLING IT AGAIN, THE TYPE OF ACRE FEET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT'S HUGE. IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE AQUIFER ONE BIT. AND THEN THE COMPANY THAT. IS BUILDING THE LAGOON AND WILL MAINTAIN THE LAGOON AS VADER, WE'VE INCLUDED SOME OF IT, I THINK, IN SOME OF YOUR MATERIALS. AND THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THE SECOND AS WELL. SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF REEMPHASIZE, THIS IS A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM. SO IT'S CIRCULATED WATER. IT USES IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, DOESN'T AFFECT THE WATER PRESSURE OF PEOPLE AROUND IT. AND AGAIN, THE RESPONSIBLE MANAGEMENT PART. THE DEVELOPER HAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER USED IN IRRIGATION. SO WHETHER THAT'S ZERO SCAPE, WHETHER IT'S RAIN BARRELS OR ANOTHER TECHNOLOGY TO CAPTURE MORE WATER THAT WOULD TRADITIONALLY EVAPORATE ON AIR CONDITIONERS OR WHATEVER, HE IS OPEN TO THAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE ABOVE.

AND CERTAINLY STAFF WILL HAVE AN INPUT ON WHAT THAT ZERO SCAPE LOOKS LIKE OR THE OTHER TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED. AGAIN, THE TRINITY RUNS A SPAN OF 61 COUNTIES. TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF WELLS I WENT ON THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WEBSITE AND LOOKED AT SURROUNDING WELLS, AND I KNOW PERMITTED WELLS. THERE'S NOT ANY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF WHAT THIS IS. THE ONLY PERMITTED WELLS ARE OWNED BY THE CITY AND THEY WERE CAPPED YEARS AGO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE HAVEN'T DRILLED WELLS, BUT PERMITTED WELLS. AND AGAIN, THIS ONE GOES 800FT. SO IT HITS THE LOWER TRINITY. AGAIN. TWO MONTHS TO FILL 100 GALLONS PER MINUTE PUMP. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE ONGOING IS 5 TO 15 GALLONS PER MINUTE NEEDED FROM THE WELL TO KEEP IT FULL. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY FROM VADER. AND THEN AGAIN, JUST TO REEMPHASIZE THE THE REASON FOR THIS FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS COMING AND CITIES AROUND LEANDER THAT ARE GOING TO BRING A LOT OF SALES TAX REVENUE TO THOSE CITIES. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL COMPETE WITH THE KALAHARI OF THE WORLD, THAT IT WILL BE A DESTINATION, AND THAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE CITY IS TREMENDOUS. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT. AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I HAVE SOME PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP TO SPEAK BUT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I'LL GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. ALL I'LL DO IS ASK YOU TO FILL OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS AFTERWARDS AND HAND IT TO TO MISS TOVAR DOWN AT THE END FOR US. SO STARTING WITH LISA TIERNEY. MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. OKAY. MY NAME IS LISA TIERNEY.

I LIVE AT 1507 HORIZON PARK BOULEVARD HERE IN LEANDER. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I LIVE JUST OVER A MILE FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. OUR PROPERTY RELIES ON BOTH CITY WATER AND A PRIVATE WELL. WHEN LEANDER SPRINGS WAS FIRST PROPOSED, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS WAS THE AMOUNT OF CITY WATER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT A FOUR ACRE LAGOON. TODAY, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE LAGOON IS DIFFERENT. INSTEAD OF RELYING ON CITY WATER, IT NOW PROPOSES AN APPROXIMATELY 800 FOOT WELL INTO THE LOWER TRINITY AQUIFER.

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TO ME, THAT DIDN'T ANSWER THE BIGGER QUESTION. IT SIMPLY CHANGED THE QUESTIONS I STARTED ASKING HAVE WE SOLVED THE WATER ISSUE OR HAVE WE SIMPLY SHIFTED IT BECAUSE WATER DOESN'T BECOME IMPACT FREE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT COMES FROM A DIFFERENT SOURCE? IF THE LAGOON IS NO LONGER RELYING ON CITY WATER, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES WHETHER THE PROPOSED GROUNDWATER SOURCE CAN SUSTAINABLY SUPPORT THE LAGOON'S WATER DEMANDS OVER THE LONG TERM. FOR ME, THAT RAISES QUESTIONS LIKE HOW MUCH GROUNDWATER WILL ACTUALLY BE REQUIRED NOT ONLY TO INITIALLY FILL THE FOUR ACRE LAGOON, BUT TO MEET ITS ONGOING WATER DEMANDS YEAR OVER YEAR. WHAT ANALYSIS SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT THOSE ONGOING WATER DEMANDS CAN BE SUSTAINED THROUGH FUTURE DROUGHTS AND CONTINUED GROWTH? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR ACRE LAGOON IN CENTRAL TEXAS. WATER ISN'T INCIDENTAL TO THIS PROJECT. IT IS THE PROJECT. THE MORE PROJECT DEPENDS ON WATER, THE MORE CONFIDENCE WE SHOULD HAVE IN ITS LONG TERM WATER ASSUMPTIONS. WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BECOME VERY FAMILIAR WITH DROUGHT AND WATER RESTRICTIONS, AND THAT REALITY ISN'T UNIQUE TO LEANDER. TEXAS IS INVESTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE STATE LEADERS RECOGNIZE THAT SECURING RELIABLE WATER SUPPLIES IS ONE OF THE DEFINING CHALLENGES OF OUR FUTURE. MY CONCERN TONIGHT ISN'T WHETHER LEANDER SHOULD GROW. MY CONCERN IS THAT A PROJECT THIS DEPENDENT ON GROUNDWATER DESERVES CLEAR ANSWERS, BECAUSE ONCE THIS PROJECT IS BUILT, THE QUESTION IS NO LONGER WHERE THE WATER WILL COME FROM. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT WILL STILL BE THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. JULIE BEASLEY. HI, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YEAH.

MY NAME IS JULIE BEASLEY. I LIVE AT 418 MESA GRANDE. THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE MOMENT TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY COMMUNITY AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 280 AND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND MYSELF, WE SURVIVE OFF OF, WELL, WATER. SO THIS PROJECT HITS PRETTY CLOSE TO HOME CONSIDERING IT'S TAPPING INTO AN AQUIFER THAT COULD AFFECT OUR WELLS, WE NEED SMART GROWTH IN LEANDER. BEFORE OUR SMALL TOWN WAS OVERDEVELOPED, THIS COMMUNITY WAS FULL OF RANCHERS AND FARMERS WHO ALL LIVED OFF OF, WELL, WATER, AND MANY OF US STILL REMAIN ON WELL WATER AND DON'T USE CITY WATER. SO THIS PROJECT TO CREATE A LAGOON AFFECTS US. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE WATER CONSERVATION IS IMPORTANT. YOU DON'T NEED ME HERE TO TELL YOU THIS, BUT WHAT YOU MIGHT NEED ME HERE TO TELL YOU IS A SMALL BUT SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN AN AQUIFER CAN AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY. A COUPLE SUMMERS AGO, I GOT UP TO MAKE MY COFFEE IN THE MORNING AND I WENT TO FILL MY POT WITH WATER FROM THE KITCHEN SINK AND NOTHING CAME OUT. MY WALL WAS DRY. WE HAD TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND MAKE MANY ACCOMMODATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WATER RETURNED AND WE COULD LIVE ON OUR PROPERTY. SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAD TO BRING WATER IN ON A TRUCK JUST TO STAY, AND SOME EVEN CONSIDERED LEAVING BECAUSE THEY FEARED THAT THEIR LIFE THERE WASN'T SUSTAINABLE ANYMORE. WATER IS A BIG CRISIS AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MAKE FOOLISH DECISIONS, AND IT'S BEEN OUR WETTEST SPRING IN SEVEN YEARS, AND WE'RE STILL IN MODERATE TO SEVERE DROUGHT CONDITIONS. AND OUR OFFERS HAVEN'T RECHARGED. TO SAY THAT PUTTING WHAT DID THEY SAY, 100 GALLONS A MINUTE FOR TWO MONTHS ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ANY IMPACT ON THE LOWER TRINITY AQUIFER. I THINK WE THAT THAT CAN'T BE TRUE. AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS AND BE SMART ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE. PUSHING FORWARD A MASSIVE FOUR ACRE ARTIFICIAL LAGOON, PLUS HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS, A HOTEL COMMERCIAL SPACE. THIS PUTS A HUGE DEMAND ON AQUIFERS AND CITY WATER. DESPITE SAYING THAT THE LAGOON IS NOT GOING TO USE CITY WATER.

I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A DISTRACTION HERE TO MAKE US FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE. OH, WE'RE NOT USING CITY WATER, BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ARE WE CREATING AN ARTIFICIAL ENVIRONMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE IN CENTRAL TEXAS? THE FOUR ACRE LAGOON HERE IS NOT NATURAL. WE PROBABLY CAN FIND A SOLUTION THAT WAS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR SURROUNDING

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ECOSYSTEMS USING MORE NATURAL LANDSCAPING, NATIVE PLANTS, NATURAL DRAINAGE TO WORK WITH OUR BEAUTIFUL CENTRAL TEXAS LANDSCAPE INSTEAD OF WORKING AGAINST IT. I FEAR IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH OF OVERDEVELOPMENT AND CARE, CARELESS USE OF OUR RESOURCES, YOU MIGHT NOT GET YOUR COFFEE IN THE MORNING EITHER, BECAUSE THE WATER WILL BE GONE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANITA CHUMANEVICH. MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING.

ANITA, CHAIRMAN, 708 PALOMAR DRIVE. I WANT TO TALK TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING. THIS COMMISSION HAS THE STANDING AND I'D ARGUE, OBLIGATION TO WEIGH IN ON TONIGHT. WATER. THIS COMMISSION ALREADY EXERCISES JUDGMENT OVER LAND OR ECONOMIC FUTURE. YOU EVALUATE DENSITY TRAFFIC IMPACT, COMPATIBILITY WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, FISCAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY. NOBODY QUESTIONS YOUR AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. BUT WHEN THE CONVERSATION TURNS TO WATER, THE SINGLE MOST BASIC RESOURCE A DEVELOPMENT DEPENDS ON THE POSTURE SHIFTS TO. IT'S NOT REALLY OUR JURISDICTION. AND I'D ASK THIS COMMISSION TO EXPLAIN THAT INCONSISTENCY, BUT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT ACTUALLY HOLDS UP. HERE'S THE REALITY YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE INTO.

LEANDER SITS IN THE WESTERN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, AN AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY OVERSUBSCRIBED TO GROUNDWATER DRAWING FROM THE TRINITY AQUIFER THAT RECHARGES AT ONLY 4 TO 8 4 TO 5% OF RAINFALL. ONE FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL PUT IT BLUNTLY IN TIMES OF DROUGHT, THE TRINITY AQUIFER IS VERY RELIABLE AND GOING DRY. THIS ISN'T ACTIVIST RHETORIC. WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S OWN COMMISSIONERS COURT HAS ALREADY ALLOCATED 1 MILLION FOR AN UNDERGROUND WATER STUDY TO THE TRINITY AQUIFER, BECAUSE THE COUNTY ITSELF RECOGNIZES IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE DATA ON WHAT IT'S SITTING ON. AND CRITICALLY, NOT EVERYONE IN LEANDER GETS THEIR WATER FROM THE CITY. THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN AND AROUND THE CORRIDOR ON PRIVATE WELLS, DRAWING FROM THE SAME AQUIFER. THE PROJECT THIS PROJECT INTENDS TO PULL FROM NO PUBLIC ENTITY CURRENTLY. METERS OR LIMITS HOW MUCH WATER. A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL WELL IN THIS AREA CAN DRAW. IF THIS WELL DRAWS DOWN THE AQUIFER BEYOND WHAT THE APPLICANT'S OWN CONSULTANT PROJECTS, IT IS NOT THE DEVELOPER WHO RUNS DRY FIRST, IT'S THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR WHOSE WELL WAS NEVER PART OF ANYONE'S ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY STUDY. MEANWHILE, THE STATE OF TEXAS IS TELLING US THIS IS A CRISIS. TEXANS JUST APPROVED PROPOSITION 4TH NOVEMBER 2025, COMMITTING $20 BILLION OVER 20 YEARS TO WATER INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE ANALYSIS FOUND THE STATE COULD FACE SEVERE WATER SHORTAGE BY 2030 UNDER REOCCURRING STATEWIDE DROUGHT. IF WE DON'T ACT, GOVERNOR ABBOTT CALLED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AN EMERGENCY LEGISLATIVE ITEM. THE STATE AND COUNTY ARE SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND COMMITTING REAL INSTITUTIONAL EFFORT TO PROTECT POTABLE WATER FOR TEXANS. IN THAT SAME WINDOW, THIS COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A PRIVATE WELL DRILLED FOR THE PURPOSE OF FILLING AND CONTINUOUSLY REPLENISHING A FOUR ACRE RECREATIONAL LAGOON. NOT FOR DRINKING WATER, NOT FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION, NOT FOR ANY PUBLIC NECESSITY. A RECREATIONAL AMENITY. THIS IS THE HEART OF MY ASK. TONIGHT, THIS PROJECT ASKS THIS COMMISSION TO APPROVE A LARGE SCALE, SUSTAINED GROUNDWATER DRAW FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT VALUE IN A BASIN THAT THE COUNTY ITSELF SAYS IT'S ALREADY OVERSUBSCRIBED. MY ASK IS THAT YOU DENY THIS PROJECT AND DECLARE A. AND HAVE THE SORRY, SORRY. I'M SORRY. I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS SO SOON. MAY I ASK YOU TO DENY THIS PROJECT ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF LEANDER? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP YET? THERE WERE SEVERAL LETTERS THAT YOU SIGNED UP ONLINE AND GOT OUR CONFIRMATIONS, SO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEY STILL NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL STILL NEED TO FILL OUT ONE OF THE CARDS. OKAY. YEP.

YES, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT THEN. I DO HAVE MORE SIGNED UP THAN I HAVE FOUR SIGNED UP. TINA RITTER. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS TINA RITTER. I LIVE AT 1000 OVERLOOK BEND AND LEANDER. GOOD EVENING. I HAVE LIVED IN OVERLOOK ESTATES FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN THE CITY OF LEANDER. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT GROWTH IS INEVITABLE. I'M NOT HERE TO OPPOSE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I AM HERE TO ASK THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED BEFORE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED. ONE PRIMARY

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CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS LEANDER SPRINGS WILL AFFECT TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALREADY EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN TRAFFIC AS SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT. AFTER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONNECTED VIA HIDDEN TRAIL TO LEANDER CROSSING, WE'VE EXPERIENCED CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC ACCESSING HORIZON PARK 183 A AND BEYOND. AND WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS PROBLEM WILL ONLY WORSEN UNLESS ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION CONNECTIONS ARE PROVIDED. SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR ITEMS THAT WE WANT CLARIFICATION ON. WE'D LIKE CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE EAST WEST TRAFFIC NETWORK BETWEEN LEANDER SPRINGS AND HORIZON PARK. WILL COVE WIND BEND ON THE SOUTH EDGE OF LEANDER SPRINGS, EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO COVE WOULD BEND IN HORIZON LAKE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IF SO, WHAT IS THAT? WHEN IS THAT CONNECTION PLANNED? IT COULD BE AN IMPORTANT ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF RICHARDSON LANE IN LEANDER CROSSING CONNECTING INTO LEANDER SPRINGS, BECAUSE THAT CREATES ANOTHER PATHWAY FOR CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIRD, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER BAYFRONT AVENUE IN THE DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNED TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT 2243, A SIGNAL WOULD PROVIDE SAFER ACCESS AND SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE INCENTIVE FOR THE DRIVERS TO CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. FINALLY, WE WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE AT SOME POINT ON HORIZON PARK BETWEEN 2243 AND CRYSTAL FALLS. IT'S EVOLVED INTO A BUSY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR, YET MUCH OF IT IS STILL INADEQUATE FOR TRAFFIC. IT CARRIES. THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ALONG PORTIONS, AND PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS ARE SHARING THE ROADWAY. AND IT'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE, PARTICULARLY DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST ONE DEATH ON THAT SECTION OF ROAD, ACCORDING TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AND IT'S LABELED AS WIDEN SUBSTANDARD STREET ON THE MASTER PLAN. BUT THERE'S NO ETA FOR THAT PROJECT. SO WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON THOSE ISSUES AND WHETHER IMPROVEMENTS TO HORIZON PARK COULD BE ACCELERATED BEFORE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS WORSEN. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. AND THE DEVELOPER, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, ACTUALLY RODE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH US AND LOOKED AT AND LISTENED TO OUR CONCERNS, WHICH IS SOMETHING NICE TO BE HEARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS RITTER. ROBIN STEVENS. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROBIN STEVENS. I LIVE AT 1000 OVERLOOK BEND. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 20 YEARS. I'M NOT NECESSARILY. I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AS IT'S PROPOSED. WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND I LIVE CLOSE TO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE. WE'VE ALREADY YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE WATER CONCERNS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ALSO THAT I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THE XERISCAPING AND RAIN BARRELS ARE BEING CONSIDERED. I THINK THAT'S A WISE TO USE THAT. BUT WATER WILL COME FROM THE CITY FOR FOR THE ALL THE BUSINESSES AND FOR THE HOMES. SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. AND I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T PULL WATER FROM THE AQUIFER AND IT NOT AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THAT WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND WITH WALKING TRAILS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE WILDLIFE, AND ALSO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATERING THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE FOR MANICURED AREAS.

THIS WOULD PROVIDE A NICE PLACE FOR AREA RESIDENTS TO WALK AND DARE I SAY IT, EVEN A PLACE FOR GRACIE TO DRAFT TO HIDE. JARRETT SULLIVAN, THE DEVELOPER BEHIND THE GABRIEL APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE LOCATED AT THE END OF MY STREET, REACHED OUT TO RESIDENTS EARLY ON TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS. I KNOW TROY REMEMBERS THAT. PROBABLY HE TOOK. HE. HE DIDN'T JUST LISTEN.

HE TOOK ACTION AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO HIS PLAN BY DECREASING THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS TO TWO STORY APARTMENTS ALONG THE BORDER OF LEANDER CROSSING. THIS ACTUALLY COSTING REVENUE. BUT HE WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH THOSE WHO WOULD BE LEFT LIVING WITH THE IMPACT OF HIS PROJECT LONG AFTER HE WAS GONE. ARE YOU IN THE DEVELOPERS WILLING TO DO THE SAME TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS CLOSEST TO OUR HOMES, SO THAT OUR SANCTUARIES ARE NOT OVERSHADOWED BY UGLY MAN MADE BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF MAJESTIC OAK TREES? AND WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE IMPACT? JUST FACING THE AMPHITHEATER TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY WON'T KEEP THE NOISE FROM DRIFTING TOWARDS US. I HEAR CONCERTS AT VFW SEVERAL MILES AWAY. WILL YOU LIMIT THE DECIBELS? WHAT ABOUT LIVE MUSIC FROM THE RESTAURANTS? WILL THERE BE PIPED MUSIC AROUND THE LAGOON THAT PLAYS ALL DAY? WILL I REALLY BE SUBJECTED TO LISTENING TO THAT DAY IN AND DAY OUT IN MY BACKYARD? WHAT ABOUT TRAFFIC AFTER EVENTS? HOW

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WILL THAT BE MANAGED? WILL MORE PEOPLE TRY TO CUT THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION AFTER EVENTS? OF COURSE THEY WILL. WE WALK OUR DOGS AT NIGHT ON STREETS WITHOUT SIDEWALKS. WILL IT BE SAFE TO CONTINUE TO DO SO? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE LIGHTING AT NIGHT? HOW WILL THAT IMPACT NEIGHBORS WILDLIFE IN THE NIGHTTIME SKY? CAN WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR LIGHTING PROPOSITION SUCH AS INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY COMMUNITY LIKE LIBERTY HILL PASSED LAST YEAR. THEY WERE THE FIRST CITY IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY TO ADOPT THIS. PERHAPS THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD LIGHT THE WAY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. I REALIZE DEVELOPMENT WILL COME. RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT WORKS TOGETHER SO THAT THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ARE GREATLY REDUCED OR ELIMINATED FOR THOSE THAT WILL LIVE BY IT AND WITH IT IN THEIR COMMUNITY. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS SO THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH THIS, WITH IT BEING RIGHT NEXT TO OUR HOMES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS STEPHENS. DAVID REEVES. YES, SIR. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ABSOLUTELY. MY NAME IS DOCTOR DAVID REEVES. I LIVE AT 804 OVERLOOK BEND, AND I HAVE SINCE 2001, WHEN THE POPULATION OF LEANDER WAS 3000. I CHOSE THIS CITY BECAUSE THE POPULATION WAS 3000. TODAY THE POPULATION IS 82,000. AND YET WE STILL GROW. I GET REVENUES, WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE REVENUES TO LIVE. I GET THAT PART. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SHARED THAT WITH US. WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS IN OVERLOOK ESTATE. OUR DEVELOPER, FOR SOME REASON, WAS ALLOWED TO DEVELOP OUR DEVELOPMENT OF 50 HOME SITES WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF SIDEWALKS. SO WE WALK ON THE STREETS. I HAVE A CORNER LOT. THE CORNER LOT IS ADJACENT TO HIDDEN TRAIL, WHICH FOR A LONG TIME, PROBABLY 15 ALMOST 18 YEARS WAS HIDDEN. NOW HIDDEN TRAIL IS AN OPENING TO TO LEANDER SPRINGS OR LEANDER CROSSING. EXCUSE ME. AND THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT GO PAST MY CORNER LOT USED TO BE 5 OR 6 CARS PER DAY ALREADY IT'S AROUND 200 CARS A DAY. IF WE ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE FORWARD FROM FORMER MAYOR HILL, WHO INITIATED THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY WAS SHOT DOWN AND NOW IS GETTING PAID TO COME BACK AND KEEP IT GOING. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. IT DOESN'T SOUND MUCH SENSE TO ME. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE LAGOON. I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AQUIFERS BECAUSE ONCE THEY IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THEM TO RECHARGE. I HAVE A TWO THIRDS ACRE LOT. IT'S ALL BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I MOVED TO LEANDER. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, THERE WERE NO WATER RESTRICTIONS. I WATERED MY MY GRASS IS BEAUTIFUL. MY PLANTS ARE BEAUTIFUL. THAT'S MY HOBBY. NOW I CAN WATER ONCE PER WEEK AND THE COST OF THE WATER IS SO EXORBITANT. AS A DISABLED VETERAN AND A RETIRED COLONEL AND A PROFESSOR AT AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE, I STRUGGLE.

SO YOU KNOW THESE UNNEEDED APARTMENTS. I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN'T SAY NO MORE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE STATE LAW SAYS UNLESS IT'S A DIRE EMERGENCY FOR WATER, YOU CAN'T SAY NO MORE DEVELOPMENT. BUT BY GOSH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS CRYSTAL LAGOON AND HOW WONDERFUL IT'S GOING TO BE, WHAT I SEE IS A MOSQUITO BREEDING SITE. I SEE WEST NILE VIRUS THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE RISE. AND AS A AS A PROFESSIONAL IN THE HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONS, I WORRY ABOUT OTHER DISEASES THAT NOT ONLY GIVE TO ME, BUT ALSO MY PETS THAT I WALK ON THE STREETS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DECIDED AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT SEVERAL TIMES, KEEPS GETTING COMING BACK LIKE A BAD PENNY. I WOULD SAY, PLEASE DON'T LET THIS FIASCO MOVE FORWARD. LOOK AT NORTH LINE. LOOK HOW MANY EXTRA PEOPLE ARE COMING THERE. THANKS.

THANK YOU SIR. AND COLONEL REEVES, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. SIR TERRY PUCKETT. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SPEAK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. SURE. THANK YOU. I'M TERRY PUCKETT FROM 801 OVERLOOK BEND. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 24 YEARS. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS REGARDING TRAFFIC THAT MY NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP. OUR. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO GET FROM 183 A WHERE THE GABRIEL AND LEANDER CROSSING AND EVEN CRYSTAL CROSSING COME TOGETHER TO CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO HEAD WEST TO HIT HORIZON PARK TO EVENTUALLY GET TO 2243 TO GO TO HEB OR DOWN HAZELWOOD. DRIVE TO GET TO SUNNY TO GET TO LOWE'S AND KOHL'S AND CHICK FIL A. SO FUNNELING THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR

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NEIGHBORHOOD IS A SAFETY CONCERN. AND SO TINA ASKED ABOUT THE ROADS THAT WOULD BE CONNECTED, OR THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS BEING PUT IN PLACE TO GREATLY ALLEVIATE THAT. FOR US, THAT I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT OUR RESOURCES AND USING THE AQUIFER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND THE INCREASE IN HOTEL, IN THE HOTEL AND THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT THAT'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO DO TO OUR ALREADY TERRIBLE WATER PRESSURE IN OVERLOOK ESTATES. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES INTO THAT CORNER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED THE CITY TO HELP US ADDRESS. MY EMAILS HAVE GONE UNANSWERED TO BILL TEETER AND GINA ELLISON ASKING FOR WATER PRESSURE TESTS, OR SOMEBODY TO TALK TO US SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT ADDRESSED.

SO A PREVIOUS HOA BOARD MEMBER HAD A PRESSURE TEST DONE WHEN THE HORIZON LAKE DEVELOPMENT WENT IN. WE WENT FROM 65 PSI DOWN TO 48, AND OFTENTIMES IT HITS 30. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF LEANDER SPRINGS IS GOING TO TAP INTO OUR 12 INCH WATER LINES THAT WE HAVE GOING IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER WAYS THE CITY CAN HELP INCREASE OUR WATER PRESSURE. ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO UPGRADE OUR PIPES SO THAT THEY'RE LARGER SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE MORE WATER INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD ON TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GO IN ON TRACKS J AND K ALONG COVE WYND. SO WE HAVE THE GABRIEL APARTMENTS THAT ARE RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD. TRACKS J AND K ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT. I WOULD LOVE FOR THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER THAT ANY BUILDINGS THAT GO THERE NOT BE ANY TALLER OR BE ANY MORE DENSE THAN WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COVE WIND, TO HELP BUFFER US FROM THE LARGER STRUCTURES THAT ARE LIKELY GOING TO GO UP AROUND THE LAGOON ON THE 24, 2243 SIDE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD UP HERE. SO IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT THAT HASN'T SPOKE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER INTO DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER MORALES. YEAH, THIS IS A FUN ONE TO START. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, WE WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, I GUESS, A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO AFTER OUR MEETING, I TALKED WITH MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS TO GET THEIR OPINIONS. I ALSO ATTEND MANY OF LEANDER EVENTS, LEANDER SUMMIT, LEANDER THINGS THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING PROPERTIES WITH ANTICIPATION THAT THIS PROJECT BECOME REALITY. YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE I WENT TO LEANDER SUMMIT, I SAT DOWN, I TALKED TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE A LONG TIME LEANDER RESIDENTS. I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. SO LEANDER HAS CHANGED A LOT. YOU KNOW, Y'ALL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE. I THINK THE MAYOR LAST SAID, WHAT, 93000 PEOPLE? AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THAT I'M I'VE ALSO BEEN INVOLVED LATELY WITH THE LEANDER I COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMISSION. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ALL LIVE IN WHAT'S CONSIDERED LEANDER CENTRAL, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ECONOMIC HEART AND THE CENTER OF THE CITY. AT LEAST THAT'S THE VISION THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. THAT'S STILL THE VISION FROM FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THE 15 PLUS PEOPLE. WHEN THEY ASK WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE FOR LEANDER'S FUTURE, EVERYBODY IS PUTTING PINS ON NORTHLINE AND OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL WANTING TO SEE THAT THAT DESTINATION, THAT HEART, YOU KNOW? AND IF IF YOU EVER LISTEN TO ME ON THESE, I KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S THE NATIONS PLACES TO GO RIGHT NOW. LIKE YOU SEE STUFF IN CEDAR PARK, YOU'RE SEEING STUFF IN BEYOND, BUT THERE AREN'T A TON OF LARGE DESTINATIONS. AND THE NORTH LINE THAT IS BEING BUILT IS SINGLE STORY, MOSTLY PARKING LOTS. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MIXED USE. YOU ALL SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT CHANGES JUST NORTH OF Y'ALL. THEY'RE VERY LIMITED PROPERTIES THAT ARE STILL EMPTY. NOW. MAYBE THEY'RE ALL FILLING IN, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S MOSTLY SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL, LOW DENSITY COMMERCIAL, SUBURBAN PARKING LOT. AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ECONOMIC HEART OF THIS CITY. SO IT'S KIND OF I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE

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NOT SYMPATHETIC. I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL'S WATER CONCERNS, BUT I'VE ALSO TALKED TO MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THAT ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS. IT'S INTERESTING. YOU GOT A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO IT. NOBODY HERE SAID ANY. NOBODY WAS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND Y'ALL HAVE SEEN LEANDER CHANGE AND BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I HAVE LITTLE KID, I, I'M EXCITED TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I WOULD LOVE THAT FOR THIS CITY TO HAVE A DESTINATION. I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP ON HAVING TO GO TO OTHER CITIES TO SPEND MY MONEY. I WOULD LOVE TO PUT IT INTO THIS CITY SO WE COULD FUEL AND PARKS AND OTHER STUFF AND HAVE THIS CITY BE AN AMAZING CITY. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LEWIS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR COMING IN AND VOICING YOUR OPINIONS. UNDERSTOOD. I IT DID RAISE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET ANSWERED FOR YOU REGARDING THE HOW THE AQUIFER WORKS. I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DON'T EXACTLY UNDERSTAND WHEN ONE WELLS, ONE AND ANOTHER IS DEEPER AND DOES THAT IMPACT ONE FROM ANOTHER. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT. SO BROUGHT UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR LEANDER, BUT I DO HEAR AND APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS, COMMISSIONER COATES. YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND BEING HERE TODAY TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF OF YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THANK YOU TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR BEING HERE, GIVING US AN UPDATE. AGAIN, QUITE HONESTLY, I'M I'M ON THE FENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. AND PART OF THAT IS, IS I THINK LIKE READING THE PACKET, IT SAID THAT FOR THIS PART AGAIN, I THINK IN 2017, AND THERE WAS SOME CERTAIN ASSURANCES THERE TO BUILD THE LAGOON AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THEN KIND OF PHASE THINGS ALONG. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WHAT HAPPENED. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE, WHY THE INITIAL PUT DID NOT GO THROUGH AND WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO ADJUST THIS PUT. NOW WHEN THE FIRST TIME IT WENT THROUGH, YOU KIND OF MISSED THE DEADLINE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT RAISES ANOTHER CONCERN FOR ME WITH THE ADS THAT'S GOING IN THIS RESPECTIVE PROPOSAL. YOU'RE ASKING, IT FEELS AS IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE BUT HAVEN'T DELIVERED ON THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPOSAL. SO IT WOULD BE HARD TO KIND OF GET BEHIND THAT IN GOOD FAITH, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THESE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND KNOWING HOW BIG THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE, AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT IT TOUCHES, THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT IT'S GOING TO TOUCH OR FOR THE CITY, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT INFRASTRUCTURE TRAVEL. TRAFFIC IS A BIG, BIG THING FOR ME. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT BEING A RESIDENT HERE IN THE CITY AND LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED PLACES, PART OF LEANDER. SO I'M ON THE GATE. I'M EXCUSE ME, I'M YEAH, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE REGARDING THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER OLIVER. YEAH.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND FOR COMING OUT. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. MAY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE QUICK, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU, THE DIRECTOR, GRIFFIN OR MISS CASTILLO, REGARDING THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION. WE HAD THIS MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND I KNOW THIS COMMISSION ACTUALLY APPROVED IT BEFORE THAT. A YEAR AGO, WE DENIED IT.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY. WHY WAS THIS AN OVERSIGHT? WHO WHO MISSED WHO DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS ONE? THE APPLICANT DID NOT NOTIFY THE HOA THAT WAS LOCATED WITHIN 500FT. THERE'S ONLY, I THINK, TWO HOUSES. YOU CAN PULL UP THE MAP THAT IS WITHIN THE 500FT. AND THEY DID NOTIFY THOSE NEIGHBORS. SO HOW MANY NEIGHBORS WERE NOT PUBLICLY NOTIFIED? THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOTIFIED. IT WAS JUST THE HOA THAT WAS JUST THE HOA WAS NOT NOTIFIED. OKAY. BECAUSE WE BECAUSE IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT WE HAD A MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THERE WAS NOBODY HERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT SPEAKING OUT REGARDING THIS ISSUE. AND HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO HEAR THE PUBLIC SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THIS KIND OF CAPACITY TONIGHT, THIS IS CERTAINLY A DECENT SIZED CROWD FOR P AND Z. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT AS POPULAR AS COUNCIL. BUT THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I I'M JUST YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO HEAR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, IT SOMETIMES DOES SORT OF SWAY OUR OUR DECISION. BUT ULTIMATELY IT ALSO KIND OF DRIVES SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS AND WHY WE ASK THE THINGS WE ASK AND WHY WE DIG INTO THE SITUATION AND THE, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING REQUESTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT. SO I WANTED TO CENTER A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS AROUND THE LAGOON IN PARTICULAR. AND SO I MAY HAVE, MR. HILL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COMING UP. SO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF AND SOME OF THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE USED, OR I

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EVEN HEARD SOMETHING THAT SAID, THERE'S NO CHEMICALS IN THERE. BUT LIKE YOU SAID PREVIOUSLY, THIS IS PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY. AND I, I KIND OF RAISE A RED FLAG ON THAT BECAUSE PROPRIETARY, I MEAN, IT'S TYPICALLY IT'S PROPRIETARY. IT'S PROTECTED BY PATENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HAS PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY, BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO'S IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND SALES AND MARKETING, WE ALWAYS TELL OUR CLIENTS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP BENEFIT YOUR BUSINESS. AND THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE THAT DOES IT RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO SHARE THAT. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND HOW IT WORKS. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, ARE THERE SPECIFIC CHEMICALS THAT ARE BEING USED THAT MIGHT LEACH OUT INTO THE CREEKS OR IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY CONCERNED ABOUT? AND, AND BOTH OF Y'ALL CAN TAG TEAM AND RESPOND TO THAT HOW YOU FEEL.

SO THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT DOESN'T USE CHEMICALS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER TECHNOLOGIES DO USE CHEMICALS. AND I THINK WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT YOU DID HAVE, AND I THINK YOU KIND OF GLOSSED OVER PRETTY FAST. SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO READ EVERYTHING ABOUT THE, THE V OR I DON'T KNOW. STOP RIGHT THERE. LET ME GO BACK DOWN A COUPLE. V, V, V OR V WATER OR IS THAT. YEAH. IT'S A WATER. YEAH. OKAY. THERE IT IS. SO IF YOU SEE JUST BY COMPARING THE KIND OF THINGS IS BEING DONE IN THIS, USING THIS TECHNOLOGY, OKAY, IF YOU NOTICE IT, IT KIND OF A LOT OF.

CHEMICAL FREE IS NUMBER ONE. SO YOU CAN READ IT THERE IN THE HEALTHIER WATER, CHEMICAL FREE FOR HEALTHY SKIN, EYES, ETC. BUT ENERGY EFFICIENT. THIS TECHNOLOGY ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD.

IT'S 40 TO 50% KIND OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY. AND THEN BASICALLY IT'S A CLOSED LOOP. SO THE WATER IS GOING TO BE FILTERED THROUGH. LET ME SHOW YOU THIS SYSTEM. SO THAT IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY FILTERING EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THERE'S NO CHEMICAL THAT IS BEING PUT INTO THE ACTUAL WATER. SO THERE'S NOTHING PUT INTO THE ACTUAL WATER THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT IN ANY WAY. RIGHT. AS FAR AS LIKE CHEMICALS CONCERNED. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS IT LIKE A PUMP SYSTEM THAT CIRCULATES THE WATER TO HELP ELIMINATE EVAPORATION? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TECH, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE NECESSARILY PROPOSING HERE WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY AND HOW IT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE 50 OR 80% OF THE EVAPORATION THAT THE OPERATION IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING. BUT IN TERMS OF THE CHEMICALS, YES, THE ANSWER IS YOU'RE NOT. THE TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T PUT CHEMICALS. THEY DON'T NEED TO. THIS IS THE ONE THAT TAKES CARE OF THE THING. AND GOING BACK TO THE EVAPORATION THEY BUY, THEY HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY PUT IN IN PLACE WHEN THEY BUILD THESE THINGS. SO THAT AND ALSO THE WAY THAT THEY DESIGN, THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF THESE THINGS, INCLUDING HOW IT IS SOME OF IT IS SHADED, HOW IT IS KIND OF STRUCTURED AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO THAT'S HOW THEY PREVENT IT. BUT IF YOU NEED EXACT SPECIFIC DETAILS, I CAN ALWAYS GET IT. BUT DEFINITELY THIS IS SOMETHING DOESN'T USE CHEMICALS. AND ALSO IT'S A PROVEN TECHNOLOGY THAT CLEARLY SHOWS, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT HOW MANY CERTIFICATIONS, AWARDS THAT THEY GOT. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE SOMEWHERE THAT SHOWS THERE ONE OF THE INDUSTRY LEADERS AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE CITY IN THE AUSTIN METRO, THEY ENGAGE THESE PEOPLE TO SOLVE THEIR WATER RELATED ISSUES. I CAN ACTUALLY GET YOU THAT. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING, LIKE I SAID, IT'S INTERESTING TECHNOLOGY. IT DOES SOUND LIKE IT'S BEEN USED IN OTHER APPLICATIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE AND AROUND THE WORLD. BUT SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF IT. BUT GOING BACK TO THE AQUIFER, RIGHT. I SAID BEFORE, LIKE LEONARD DOESN'T REALLY HAVE AND I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT LEONARD DOESN'T HAVE A NECESSARILY A WATER ISSUE. THE BC WAY ALLOWS US TO PULL A LOT OF WATER OUT OF LAKE TRAVIS NOW.

I MEAN, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST. I'LL STEAL A LINE FROM A FRIEND OF MINE SAYS THAT THE BIGGEST USER OF WATER FROM LAKE TRAVIS IS EVAPORATION. BUT THE REALITY IS, I MEAN, THE CENTRAL TEXAS AND TEXAS AS A WHOLE HAS A WATER ISSUE. AND WE'VE OBVIOUSLY SEEN PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS TAKING ACTION ON THAT. SO THAT'S A BIGGER ISSUE. AND SO THIS DOES RAISE A RED FLAG TO, I THINK, THE COMMUNITY AND TO OTHER PEOPLE AROUND US THAT, YOU KNOW, FOUR ACRE LAGOON AND FILLING THAT UP WITH NOW WITH GROUNDWATER, WITH THE WELL THAT'S DRILLED 800FT DEEP. I THINK I HEARD PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS AROUND 1500FT DEEP THAT YOUR WELL WAS DRILLED. IS YOUR WELL ACTUALLY ACTIVE TODAY OR IS IT JUST A POTENTIAL. WELL YOU'RE GOING TO DRILL. IT'S ALREADY ACTIVE. IT'S ALREADY

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ACTIVE. SO HAVE YOU HAVE YOU TAKEN TEST FLOWS OUT OF IT AND KNOW WHAT YOU CAN PULL OUT OF IT. I'VE ALREADY TESTED THE WATER AND WE HAVE DONE ALL KIND OF WORK RELATED TO THE WELL, AND THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO THE, THE TOP LEVEL WHERE A LOT OF THE OTHER WELLS ARE LIKE MAYBE 100FT KIND OF LEVEL. THIS IS GOING ALL THE WAY TO 800FT. AND THEN NONE OF THESE WELLS SHOULD NOT BE AFFECTED, PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TAPPING INTO THE SAME WATER SOURCE. IT IS A DIFFERENT WATER SOURCE, LOWER AQUIFER. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD WELLS ARE TAPPING INTO IT. SO BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? BECAUSE UNLESS YOU'RE A GEOLOGIST, RIGHT? UNLESS YOU'RE A HYDROLOGIST OR SOMEBODY SCIENTIFICALLY SPEAKING, WOULD KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IN A NUMBER OF ENGINEERS AND HYDROLOGISTS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO SAY THAT THE TRINITY AQUIFER IS NOT A RELIABLE AQUIFER, THE EDWARDS AQUIFER IS RELIABLE AND IT FEEDS PROBABLY A MILLION, YOU KNOW, MILLION POPULATION PER DAY. WE KNOW THAT. AND THERE'S RECHARGE ZONES FOR THE AREAS YOU DRIVE DOWN MOPAC AND YOU'LL SEE RECHARGE ZONES ARE EVERYWHERE. THE TRINITY YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT. I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RELIABLE AQUIFER. SO UNLESS YOU CAN HAVE A REPORT, SOME SORT OF WATER IMPACT STUDY THAT TELLS ME THIS IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THESE PEOPLE AROUND HERE, I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT EVEN 800 FOOT WELL IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THESE RESIDENTS. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE 800FT, YOU'RE YOU'RE 300FT BELOW THEIR WELLS. IF YOU SAY THEY'RE 500FT, OKAY. AND IF YOU START TO DRY UP AT 800FT, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO HAPPEN TO 500FT? WATER STARTS TO KIND OF GO DOWNHILL AND FIND ITS WAY TO ITS LOWEST BOTTOM POINT IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. SO IF YOU DO START TO GET A POINT WHERE YOU'RE DRAINING THAT AQUIFER, WE HAVE A MAJOR DROUGHT THAT WE'RE KIND OF COMING OUT OF, BUT WE MAY BE GOING BACK INTO A COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THAT EL NINO PATTERN, RIGHT? IT'S HELPING WITH A LOT OF THE WATER AND RAIN WE'VE SEEN THIS SPRING. I HAVEN'T TURNED MY SPRINKLERS ON ALL YEAR. IT'S BEEN GREAT. I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT, BUT I BUT BY NEXT WEEK, I'LL PROBABLY BE FINALLY TURNING THEM ON FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR. SO THE POINT IS, LIKE, I JUST, I HAVE Y'ALL DONE A WATER IMPACT STUDY AT ALL REGARDING THE AQUIFER. WE'VE DONE ENOUGH STUDIES AND THE WATER WILL WATER THE COMPANY THAT DRILLED A THING. THEY SUBMITTED ALL KIND OF DETAILS. AND THEN HAS THAT BEEN GIVEN TO THE CITY THEN? I MEAN HAVE Y'ALL SHARED IT WITH CITY NOW? THAT'S YOUR STUDY. HAVE YOU ALL WORKED WITH THE CITY TO MAYBE DO AN INDEPENDENT STUDY THAT'S NOT MAYBE FUNDED BY YOU? I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH STUDIES, BUT I AGAIN, CITY NEVER SPECIFICALLY ASKED US TO GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH CITY AND WE KNOW THAT WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I DO ACTUALLY BELIEVE MISS CHUMANEVICH COMMENT EARLIER THAT WATER IS SORT OF OUR PURVIEW IN A WAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE PART OF WHAT WE, WE ALLOW OR DON'T ALLOW IS BASED A LOT ON WATER, WHICH IS THE WATER RESOLUTION OF WHAT WAS AT 22, 2022. THANK YOU.

OCTOBER 22ND. SO PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T SEE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BEING APPROVED RIGHT NOW WITH PLANNING AND ZONING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE WATER RESOLUTION. AND THEN BY, BY 2027, 28, COUNCIL MAY START LIFTING THAT BECAUSE THE BCRA WILL BE AT ALMOST ITS MAXIMUM CAPACITY AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT OF THINGS.

BUT TO THE POINT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WATER IS STILL A FINITE RESOURCE. WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF IT THAT WE CAN. I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WATER IN THE LOWER AQUIFER. THERE'S A TON OF WATER. AND I HAVE THE DETAIL THAT I ALREADY SHARED IN THIS PRESENTATION. IF I COULD ALSO, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I WORK FOR AN ENGINEERING COMPANY.

SURE. SO WHEN I LEFT THE OFFICE, I JOINED A WATER WASTEWATER UTILITY COMPANY, AND I WORKED WITH CITIES ACROSS THE STATE ON ONE THING WATER. THAT'S IT. AND SO I, I WORKED WITH GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. THERE ISN'T ONE HERE, BY THE WAY. THERE ARE SEVERAL IN TEXAS, SOME OF THEM VERY STRICT, SOME OF THEM NOT THAT STRICT. RIGHT. BUT THESE ARE FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WEBSITE. SO IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS, THEY'RE THERE. BUT THE TRINITY AQUIFER AND GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT AREA EIGHT, WHICH IS THIS AREA OKAY, HAS ABOUT 1.36 BILLION ACRE FEET OF TOTAL STORAGE, WITH 339 MILLION TO 1.02 BILLION ACRE FEET CONSIDERED RECOVERABLE, DEPENDING ON THE RECOVERY ASSUMPTION. OKAY, I PUT IN THE SIZE OF THE AQUIFER OR THE SIZE OF THE LAGOON. IT'S FOUR FOOT IN SOME SECTIONS, EIGHT FOOT IN THE MIDDLE. BUT I JUST ASSUMED A WORST CASE. WHAT IF THE WHOLE THING WAS EIGHT FOOT? THE LAGOON FIELD WOULD BE ABOUT 32 ACRE FEET, WHICH REPRESENTS IN JUST THIS AREA, 80.000023 5%.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. SO YOUR YOUR STUDY UP THERE SHOWS THE 2020 HAYS

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COUNTY. NOW, HAYS COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM WHERE WE ARE. OKAY. I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION, MAYBE THIS IS PROBABLY A STUPID ONE FOR THE CITY, BUT WHY HAVE WE NOT DRILLED INTO THIS AQUIFER AND USE IT AS A SOURCE OF WATER FOR THE CITY? I TELL YOU, BACK IN THE DAY, I ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION AND THE ISSUE AND I, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN THOSE WELLS THAT SHOW UP ON THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WEBSITE, THERE'S A MAP OF THE WELLS. A LOT OF THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE CITY. THEY'RE CAPPED, AND THEY GOT CAPPED WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO GO WITH GROUNDWATER. INITIALLY, THE CITY RELIED ON THOSE WELLS. I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP THEY ARE. BUT THERE WERE SOME DROUGHTS IN THE CITY. RAN OUT OF WATER. AGAIN, DON'T KNOW WHICH WELLS IT WAS RELYING ON. SO I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH OF THAT HISTORY. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A SOLUTION FOR THE CITY GOING FORWARD. THAT'S MY OPINION. AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DRILL A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. AND IT ISN'T GOING THAT THE MISTAKE CITIES MAKE IS TRYING TO REPLACE ALL OF THE USAGE. WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT THE USAGE. SO IF IT COULD SUPPLY 10% OF THE AMOUNT OF SURFACE WATER USED, THAT WOULD BE HUGE FOR THE CITY. AND IN CASE OF A DROUGHT, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY KEEP SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WITH WATER. YEAH.

I MEAN, I WOULD JUST I MEAN, WAS THAT BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THESE HOES WHEN YOU FINALLY WHEN YOU SPOKE TO THEM? ANYTHING. I MEAN, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE STILL HAVE SOME JUST ABOUT THE WATER TABLE AND ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE TRINITY AQUIFER THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO. I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT THE WAY AQUIFERS WORK.

ABOUT WHERE THE WATER IS. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT. WITHIN THE AQUIFER, YOU HAVE SHALE JUST LIKE YOU HAVE. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT AND FRACKING. SO BEING ABLE TO HIT WHERE THE WATER IS, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DRILL DEEPER. THE DEEPER YOU DRILL, THE MORE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TREAT THE WATER FOR VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS. WELL, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDY THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST IS SHARED WITH THE CITY OR THE CITY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT TO BEFORE, LIKE A FINAL APPROVAL. NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS ALSO JUST ONE STOP ALONG THE APPROVAL JOURNEY, RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVE OR DENY DOESN'T MEAN IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL SAY ON THIS. AND I KNOW Y'ALL, Y'ALL WILL GET TO GO PRESENT TO THEM AND PROBABLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE. I DID LIKE THE WAY THE PUD WAS WRITTEN LAST TIME AROUND. AND I BROUGHT THAT UP. I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS MUCH BETTER, WELL WRITTEN, BETTER UNDERSTOOD. I LIKE THE PHASING APPROACH TO OF IT. I THINK IT IS A NICE ATTRACTION AS WELL.

BUT I DO GO BACK KIND OF WITH THIS WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY AND THE LAGOON IS IS STILL KIND OF A STICKING POINT. AND THEN THE TRAFFIC WAS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME TOO. YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY BUY INTO THAT. IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. YOU DO ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH. AS A CITY THAT'S GROWING AS FAST AS WE HAVE, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF OUR MONEY IN THE WATER TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE WATER FOR OUR FUTURE GROWTH, WHICH WE'VE DONE, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO START BUILDING OUR ROADS UP. AND IT'S THAT'S TAKING TIME TOO. AND I JUST WORRY THAT YOU BUILD THIS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IT QUICKLY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC BUILD UP ON 2243. AND I DO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THAT CREEK BEND AND WHATEVER THAT ROAD WAS THAT, THAT THAT CUTS OUT PAST THE APARTMENTS TO, TO 183. YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CUT THROUGH. AND SO WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE WITH THE CITY WITH, WITH WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, PLAN GETS APPROVED. AND AGAIN, THAT IS NOT A DEVELOPER DECISION. THAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S DECISION WHETHER TO HAVE THAT ROAD FOR ACCESS, WHETHER IT'S FIRE ACCESS OR WHATEVER.

SO FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND WE DID SHARE ALL THESE DETAILS WITH THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS, SO OKAY, GOOD ENOUGH. THAT'S NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO. WE OFFER OUR WATER AFTER TWO MONTHS. WE DON'T NEED THIS MUCH WATER. SO WE OFFER. YEAH. I HEARD YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO TAKE YOU UP ON THAT AS FAR AS THAT GOES. BUT YEAH, I MEAN THAT THAT'S BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE WELLS PEOPLE WHO USE THE WELL WATER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE OTHER ISSUE I HAD ABOUT THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BRUSHY CREEK FEEDS THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 13 YEARS. AND I'VE HAD I'VE HAD CONTINUOUS FLOW ALONG BRUSHY CREEK ALL 13 YEARS. NEVER SEEN THAT STREAM DRY UP AT ALL. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTEN DOWN TO A FAIRLY SLOW TRICKLE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CONSTANT WATER FLOWING THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S ALL SPRING FED AND IT'S SPRING FED BY GROUNDWATER, WHICH COULD BE FROM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE, THE EDWARDS AND TRINITY AQUIFERS THAT ARE HELPING FEED THAT. AND I DO ONCE AGAIN, CONCERN THAT IF YOU START PULLING TOO MUCH WATER OUT OF THAT AQUIFER OR WE TRY TO TAKE TOO MUCH WATER, THEN WE START SEEING THINGS DRY UP. AND THAT'S WHERE I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WATER

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IMPACT STUDY SAYS AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, NOT JUST TODAY, BUT FIVE, TEN, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. AGAIN, IT'S NOT MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THE WATER THAT THEY ARE THE NEIGHBORS ARE NEIGHBORHOOD WELLS ARE HAPPENING IS NOT THE SAME THAT WE ARE HAVING. SO DEFINITELY, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY ANY IMPACT DIRECTLY FOR THEM THAT I CAN CLEARLY SAY THAT. AND WE'LL SHARE ALL THE REPORTS, WHATEVER WE HAVE. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. APPRECIATE IT. AND I, I JUST NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT OR WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. I KNOW THAT I NEED TO, BUT AND THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, GROUNDWATER IS LEGALLY WHAT'S BENEATH OUR FEET IS OUR AS OURS. IF WE WANT TO DRILL DOWN TO IT. RIGHT. SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MOST AQUIFERS AND MOST CITIES, THE PROLIFERATION OF INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLDS DRILLING WELLS IS A BIGGER THREAT THAN THIS PROJECT TO AN AQUIFER. AND UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN IN A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THEY DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL JURISDICTION TO GOVERN HOW MUCH WATER. BUT WHAT WE SEE, WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN MY JOB, IS THAT PEOPLE DRILL A WELL AND THEN THEY THINK, WELL, I DRILLED THE WELL, IT'S MY WELL, IT'S MY WATER. AND NOW I CAN USE AS MUCH AS I WANT. SO IN THE MIDDLE OF A DROUGHT, WE SEE WATERING GOING ON ALL DAY LONG.

AND I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT THE INITIAL FILL IS, IS NOT A DRAIN ON THIS. ONCE IT'S FILLED, THE AMOUNT OF WATER USED TO KEEP THAT FULL IS ABOUT A HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR. YEAH. I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT A LEGAL I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LEGALESE AROUND THIS, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PERMITTING FROM A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT T-C-E-Q HAS AROUND SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, HOW MUCH WATER YOU CAN PULL OUT PER DAY, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY PARTLY WHY YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO FILL THIS THING UP IN LIKE FIVE MONTHS OR SOMETHING. BUT I'D STILL BE CAREFUL WITH THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, YEAH, PEOPLE DO THINK THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT GROUNDWATER AND THEY WANT TO USE IT. THEY'VE BEEN USING IT MAYBE FOR 20, 25 YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, CAUTIOUS TO THAT AND BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS AROUND HERE AS WELL. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE REACHING OUT TO THEM AND TALKING TO THEM AND TALKING TO THEIR HOA IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AT ANY POINT IN TIME. SO. RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S HARD TO BE THE LAST ONE BECAUSE EVERYONE'S ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, I WISH THAT ALL OF THE CITIZENS HAD BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST HEARING BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE CAUSED US TO ASK DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING. A COUPLE THINGS I HEARD. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT NEW THAT THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR LAST TIME. THIS IS A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER THAN THE ONE WHO DROPPED THE BALL MANY TIMES AGO. I MEAN, I'M NOT HERE TO PROMOTE ONE DEVELOPER OVER ANOTHER. I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A DIFFERENT GUY. AND HE'S ALREADY APPARENTLY TAKEN THE TIME TO MEET WITH SOME OF YOU. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD SIGN. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT STATEMENT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO HIM. THE OTHER THING, AS FAR AS THE JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND, AND THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE PUNTING THE WATER ISSUE. THAT IS NOT CORRECT EITHER. WE HAVE VOTED DOWN MANY PROJECTS BASED ON THE WATER ORDINANCE. WE ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION IF WE FEEL IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEND IT ON TO COUNCIL. ONE THING THAT THAT I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO IS NOT OVERSTEP MY AUTHORITY AS A PLANNING, AND I'M A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER. I'M NOT A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. IF I WAS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, I'D BE CALLING UP THE WATER ENGINEER AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO ANSWER ALL THESE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS. BUT WE JUST TRY TO OUR JOB IS TO SAY, DOES THIS FIT? DOES THIS PROJECT. THE ZONING FOR THIS PROJECT, FIT AN AREA THAT IS ALONG A FREEWAY? YES. THERE ARE RESIDENCES NEARBY THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, BUT DOES THE ZONING FIT? AND AS FAR AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION ON THE WATER, IF IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION, KNOWING THAT COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LOOK AT SOME THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THINKING THAT WE'RE JUST PUNTING THINGS TO THEM. WHEN I SAW THE PUD, ONE THING ABOUT A DOCUMENT THAT IS UNIQUE IS IT BECOMES THE ZONING PERIOD, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE PUTT SAYS, THAT IS THE ZONING. IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THAT IS STILL THE ZONING, THEN THEY

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HAVE TO COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, GET IT REZONED AND SO FORTH. SO WHEN THE WATER ISSUE CAME UP, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY COMMENTS THAT I MADE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE JURISDICTION WERE ACCURATE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REQUIRE THEM TO PUT IN THIS PUD THAT THEY'RE USING.

WELL, WATER. WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T DO THAT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ROBIN. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE WE HERE AT PNC HAVE TO TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD AND JUST LOOK AT THE PROJECT BEST WE CAN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, WITH THE AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE NO MORE AUTHORITY THAN THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN'T OVERSTEP. WE'RE NOT HERE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME ON THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT HERE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S AREA. WE'RE HERE TO SAY, DOES THIS PROJECT FIT THIS PLOT OF LAND OR THESE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PLOTS OF LAND. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND THERE, LIKE I SAID, NO ONE WAS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT. AND WE DID VOTE FOR IT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME GOOD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I KNOW THAT I THINK ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PUDS DID HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION ON SOME OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT THAT WAS WHEN THAT WAS ALSO WHEN THEY WERE 100% APARTMENTS.

NOW IT'S VERTICAL, MIXED USE WITH THE BUSINESS ON THE BOTTOM AND THE APARTMENTS ON THE TOP, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THOSE THAT COMMERCIAL FIELD BEFORE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE UNITS UP THERE ON TOP OF THERE. SO YOU GET LOTS MORE COMMERCIAL. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MADE IT ATTRACTIVE FOR ME WAS THAT THEY HAD CHANGED IT FROM JUST STRAIGHT APARTMENTS TO VERTICAL MIXED USE, WHICH I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO HAVING THEM AMEND THE PUD. AND, AND LOOKING AT THE HEIGHTS ON THOSE TWO SECTIONS, I THINK THE TRAFFIC, WHEN ONCE IT'S APPROVED OR HOWEVER IT GOES, BUT ASSUMING IT GETS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THEN THE TRAFFIC STUDIES COME IN AND THEN THE ENGINEERS GET INVOLVED. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE AT THAT POINT. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T TELL THEM AT THIS POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST APPROVING ZONING. YOU HAVE TO PUT A ROAD HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. WE CAN BRING THOSE THINGS UP THERE LISTENING TO YOU. WE'RE LISTENING TO YOU. AND ONCE, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG THE LINES, THEN THE STAFF GETS INVOLVED AND FIRE AND, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND YOUR COMMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO, WE VOTED IT AS IS LAST TIME. IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A SLIGHT MODIFICATION. BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WHAT THE BUSINESS IS ON THE BOTTOM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, IT DOES TEND TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT ANYWAY WHEN YOU GET THE VERTICAL MIXED USE AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FOUR STORY APARTMENT OR SOMETHING. BUT THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS. AND LET THE CHAIR AND THIS IS NOT A BACK AND FORTH. I'M SORRY, MA'AM, I. THE VICE CHAIR STOLE A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY THE LAST PERSON TO SPEAK POTENTIALLY BECAUSE I'LL ALWAYS LET YOU GUYS, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN, YOU CAN. BUT I WANT TO DO SOME QUICK HOUSEKEEPING FOR US. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ABSTAIN. IF YOU'RE SITTING UP HERE ON THE DAIS, YOU NEED TO SAY YES OR NO. AND THAT'S IT COULD BE A RELUCTANT YES OR A RELUCTANT NO, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. BUT WE VOTE WHEN WE'RE UP HERE, RIGHT? IF WE NEED TO RECUSE OURSELVES, WE DO THAT PRIOR TO THE EVENT AND WE'LL ANNOUNCE THAT, ETC. FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING FOR US, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW. THE SECOND THING IS I WANTED TO CLEAN UP MR. HILL, WHEN YOU SPOKE AND YOU TALKED ABOUT NON-ESSENTIAL WATER USE AND BEING DEEMED NON-ESSENTIAL, YOU SAID THAT THE CITY COULD STOP THE WATER. THAT IS NOT TRUE. THE CITY HAS NO IMPACT ON YOUR WELL. IT'S YOUR WELL, RIGHT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL, THAT THE CITY CAN'T STOP A WELL OWNER FROM PULLING WATER FROM THEIR WELL. SO YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GOING REALLY QUICK. YOU HAD A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT. RIGHT? RIGHT. EXACTLY. BUT WHAT NON-ESSENTIAL USE DOES MEAN IS THAT THE CITY CAN SAY YOU CANNOT GET ANY WATER AT ALL FROM THE CITY. THEY CAN STOP THAT AT ANY POINT, WHETHER IT'S DROUGHT OR NON-DROUGHT, BECAUSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-ESSENTIAL USE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON SOME OF THESE VARIOUS TERMS. THE VICE CHAIR JUST MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, MEANING ONLY APARTMENTS. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE VERTICAL MIXED USE. THAT'S A CHANGE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE WAS ORIGINAL DEVELOPER WAS DOING WITH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. I WAS, AS WE WERE

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TALKING ABOUT AND HEARING SOME FOLKS FROM OVERLOOK ESTATES, I WAS LOOKING AT THE THE GOOGLE MAPS. SO IF YOU SEE ME LOOKING DOWN, I WAS LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND JUST TRYING TO DO SOME, YOU KNOW, TERRAIN WORK HERE. AND I CAN IMAGINE THE STUFF LIKE MR. REEVES SAYING ALL THE CARS THAT COME THROUGH RIGHT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST RIGHT TO YOUR EAST. THERE ARE THINGS AS A CITY THAT WE CAN REQUEST TO DO FROM THE CITY. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ASKING A DEVELOPER TO DO. AND I WOULD I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ASK YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, PLEASE MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD AND ASK THE CITY TO MAYBE PUT A CRASH GATE THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT FIRE REQUIRES THAT CUT THROUGH TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. THEY MAY REQUIRE AN ENTRANCE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF PREVENT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENT THAT'S GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, OR PREVENT FUTURE TRAFFIC IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GOING THERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS DEFINITELY A BIG DEAL. AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE TALK ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT HERE. WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC IMPACT. MATERIAL. CAN YOU CAN YOU PULL UP ONE SLIDE BEFORE THIS FOR ME? CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. I JUST HAD A, I'M A NUMBERS GUY AND I WAS UP HERE DOING SOME CALCULATIONS TO OH NO, SORRY, THAT'S NOT IT.

THE ONE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER YOU'RE GOING TO PULL OUT OF TO, TO USE EACH MONTH ON YOUR ON THE LAGOON. SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER. HOW. YEAH. ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER ARE YOU GOING TO USE EACH MONTH? DO YOU DIDN'T YOU HAVE THAT ON THERE SOMEWHERE? YEAH. 2.7 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR IS WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ON EVAPORATION LOSS.

OKAY, SO I GOT TO REDO MY MATH. SO I JUST LOOKED, IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE LAGOON AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE HOT TOPIC HERE IS, IS THE WHAT THE CRYSTAL LAGOON. AND WE'RE IN CENTRAL TEXAS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE USING A LOT OF WATER IF THOSE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT.

CORRECT. SO I'M GOING TO USE AN ASSUMPTION HERE. I'M AN ECONOMIST. SO WE USE ASSUMPTIONS ALL THE TIME. IF THAT NUMBER IS CORRECT AND IT USES 2.7 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR. SORRY, JUST GOT TO DO MY MATH. OKAY. IF IT USED TWICE THAT MUCH, THAT'S ABOUT WHAT FOUR ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD USE IN A YEAR IF IT USED TWICE OF WHAT THEY'RE CLAIMING, IT'LL EVAPORATE IN A YEAR. THAT'S HOW MUCH A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON FOUR ACRES OF LAND WOULD USE IN A YEAR. IF IT WERE ALL MULTIFAMILY ON FOUR ACRES. AND AS A CITY, WE'VE ADOPTED THAT WE CAN GO UP TO 28 UNITS PER ACRE WITH CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS.

SO I'LL SAY 20 UNITS PER ACRE. SO 80 UNITS OF A MULTIFAMILY. IT COULD BE UP TO. 6.6 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR IS BEING USED IN A MULTIFAMILY. THOSE ARE OUR BEST CASE SCENARIOS FOR THIS LOCATION, BY THE WAY, COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY OF WHAT COULD GO THERE BECAUSE OF HOW WE'RE ZONED, THE LOCATION IS AT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET SINGLE FAMILY USES THERE, WHICH ACTUALLY TEND TO USE MORE WATER ANYWAY. THAT'S THE BEST WE'RE GOING TO DO. THESE GUYS ARE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO PULL 2.7 MILLION PER YEAR. LIKE I SAID, EVEN IF THEY'RE OFF, EVEN IF THEY'RE OFF BY 100%, IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN WHAT IF WE PUT WHAT ELSE COULD BE ZONED THERE? SO IF WE'RE DOING AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER, WHICH WE SHOULD BE, WHICH WE SHOULD BE, NOT THAT IT'S OUR PLACE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER AS A COMMISSION, BUT AS A RESIDENT OF LEANDER, AS A CITIZEN OF TEXAS AND A USER OF WATER AND WANT THERE TO BE WATER, AND WHEN WATER RUNS OUT, CITIES DIE, ETC. RIGHT. AND BEING CONCERNED, THEN I WANT TO REALLY KNOW WHAT WHAT THE COMPARISON IS. SO I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE DONE THE MATH FOR ME, BUT I DID IT WHILE WE WERE UP HERE TALKING, SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. AND YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO A STUDY AND DO SOMETHING BETTER AND GET BETTER NUMBERS, HEY, HAVE AT IT. BUT I, I DID, YOU KNOW, SOME QUICK SEARCHES ON GOOGLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THAT I COULD DO WHILE I WAS UP HERE AND LISTENING TO EVERYONE'S CONVERSATION AND TAKING MY NOTES TO JUST, JUST TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, I JUST WANTED US TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE AS WELL.

THE VICE CHAIR WAS RIGHT. I'VE YOU, ANYONE WHO'S WATCHED A FEW MEETINGS WITH ME UP HERE HAS HEARD ME SAY PLENTY OF TIME THAT MY ROLE IS NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. DO I WANT IT? DO I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY? YES. DO I WANT TO SEE EMPTY STRIP CENTERS ALL OVER THE CITY? NO. DO I THINK THAT THIS WOULD HELP FILL THOSE? BECAUSE WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE

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A REASON FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO LEANDER OTHER THAN TO GO TO A STRIP CENTER. YES. SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT MY PLACE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I DO THINK THIS IS SOMETHING UNIQUE AND BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY FOR MANY REASONS. SO. I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FINISH. OH, AND ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. AND, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER OLIVER BEAT ME TO IT. I WAS I'M THE ONLY SITTING MEMBER UP HERE THAT WAS A PART OF THE COMMISSION. WHEN WE ARE THE ONES WHO PRESENTED THE CHANGES IN THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS. AND I WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF THAT, AND I STILL AM. WE DO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS ARE NOTIFIED. SO I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DON'T OVERLOOK ESTATES. THE REASON, YOU KNOW, IS BECAUSE YOUR HOA WAS NOTIFIED, BUT THEY WEREN'T NOTIFIED THE FIRST TIME, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE NOT HERE.

BUT WHEN I LOOK AT AND THERE'S ONLY THREE HOUSES FROM OVERLOOK ESTATES, WHICH HIT THAT 500 FOOT BOUNDARY AS WE HAD UP THERE BEFORE, PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION AND ME VOTING AS A PART OF THAT OVERLOOK ESTATES WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BEEN A PART OF. IT WAS ONLY A 200 FOOT BOUNDARY PREVIOUSLY, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THE CITY REQUIRED, AND WE UPPED THAT REQUIREMENT. SO I AM A VERY HUGE PROPONENT OF NOTIFYING THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN HEAR YOUR CONCERNS. SO WE DO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. SO WE DO HEAR ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I PERSONALLY I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PIECE. RIGHT. THAT'S MY BAD. YOU KNOW, AND THE WATER PRESSURE, I MEAN, THERE'S A THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE LOTS OF NOTES UP HERE ON THAT THAT I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU COMING OUT HERE FOR. BUT I WILL ASK THIS ONE QUESTION OF STAFF. SO THE APPLICANT NOTIFIED ALL THE HOMES AND THE OTHER HOA, AND THEY ONLY MISSED OVERLOOK ESTATES HOA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. DO WE FEEL THAT THIS WAS INTENTIONAL? NO, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHY. RIGHT. I'M NOT PERFECT. NONE OF US ARE. I MAKE MISTAKES WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES AND A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. I DO APPRECIATE AS COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN MISS RITTER CAME UP AND SAID, HEY, THE DEVELOPER WROTE AROUND WITH US IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THAT'S HUGE. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY WE IMPLEMENTED SOME OF THOSE CHANGES TO NOTIFICATION, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T HIDE BEHIND THAT 200 FOOT BOUNDARY. YOU ACTUALLY DID HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WASN'T HAPPENING CONSISTENTLY PREVIOUSLY. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS SAID TO RIGHT. BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I, I READ THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF THE LAST TIME AND I'M GOING TO READ IT AGAIN RIGHT BEFORE WE MOVE. BUT IT SAYS IF THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS UNIQUE AND BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, STAFF RECOMMENDS OPTION ONE, WHICH IS APPROVE THE PROPOSED PUD AMENDMENT. NOTHING FROM THE PUD HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE VOTED ON IT, AND WE WERE UNANIMOUS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME RESIDENTS. BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, THEN WE'VE GOT TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER TO. RIGHT. SO YOU GUYS HAVE GOT ME THINKING ABOUT SOME THINGS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR, FOR FUTURE THINGS, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SHARED WHAT I MISSED, RIGHT? I MESSED UP, I DIDN'T DO IT INTENTIONALLY, BUT I MESSED UP. SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'VE GOT ONE MORE COMMENT. I'LL LET COMMISSIONER MORALES GO FIRST. YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE EVERY CITIZEN TO CHECK OUT WWO FUTURE LEANDER.COM. IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THERE'S STILL WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE PROCESS. IT IS A LONG PROCESS.

IT'S GOING ON THROUGH THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'S KIND OF WHAT IS THAT VISION FOR LEANDER'S FUTURE? AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY THEY BROADCAST THAT WEBSITE THAT IT'S OUT THERE, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING DATA ON THERE SO YOU CAN FIND LIKE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE VISION? WHAT ARE THE THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT ARE STARTING? IT'S NOT A DONE PROCESS YET. IT'S EARLY IN THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT LEANDER'S LONG TERM GROWTH IN THIS NEW EVEN WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM THAT'S AVAILABLE, YOU'RE TALKING TO CITY THAT'S AT FULL BUILD OUT COULD BE 250 000 PEOPLE. SO IT'S I KNOW THAT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PLACE FROM WHERE WHEN Y'ALL MOVED HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE REASON I JOINED THE COMMISSION IS I WANT TO HELP THIS CITY GROW IN A

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POSITIVE WAY THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY. I KNOW CHANGE IS INEVITABLE, BUT HOW DO WE HELP IT WHERE IT HELPS THE GREATER LIKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY? SO AT LEAST I JUST WANT TO KNOW. IT'S W FUTURE LEANDER.COM. JUST CHECK IT OUT. IT'S NOT DONE, BUT IT'S OUT THERE. THEY'RE PUTTING INFORMATION. THEY PUT STATISTICS OUT THERE. HOW WHAT THEY'RE FINDING, HOW LEANDER COMPARES TO ITS NEIGHBORS AROUND US. I'VE GONE. I WENT TO ANOTHER EVENT FOR LEANDER ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WHERE THEY COMPARED LEANDER TO ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING SUBURBS AND HOW OUR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ALL THIS INTERESTING STATISTICS. BUT EVER SINCE LEANDER HAD OUR WATER RESOLUTIONS, OURS IS KIND OF SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT IS, LEANDER IS IN A BETTER POSITION THAN MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON WATER SUPPLY THAT ARE COMING ONLINE NEXT YEAR. I THINK THE BRUSHY CREEK, WHAT WE'VE GOT 51% OF THE RIGHTS, THIS WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM THAT SHOULD BE IN PLACE IS FOR A CITY OF 250,000. THAT'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF LEANDER RESIDENTS THAT ARE STILL HOLDING ON YEARS AND YEARS OF WATER RESTRICTIONS, AND WE FIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, LEANDER HAS DONE A LOT TO TRY TO POSITION ITSELF AS A CITY OF THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S ALL COMMISSIONER CUTS. YES. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER LANTRIP. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, LIKE, PULL IT ALL BACK AND WE LOOK AT WE EVALUATE THE STAFF FROM THE EXCUSE ME, THE PACKET FROM THE STAFF, AND WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE CHARGED TO DO, WHICH IS TO LOOK AT LAND AND MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT FITS OUR CITY ORDINANCE. AND SO. YEAH, SO ANYWAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC, JUST AS YOU BROUGHT YOUR COMMENTS TO US, MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE LISTENED TO AND THAT WE RECEIVE THE KIND OF EXCEED OUR CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. BUT SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS TO ATTEND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE THE ACTUAL DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT STAFF THERE THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, BETTER ATTEND TO AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT THAT YOU MAY HAVE. SO WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE TODAY, MY ENCOURAGEMENT IS THAT YOU CONTINUE TO MOVE ALONG WITH THIS, THIS PROJECT, AND YOU BEAT ME TO THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. SO ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS AT PLANNING AND ZONING, PLEASE GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD. THEY ARE LISTENING. THEY WATCH THIS, BUT THAT DOESN'T NEGATE THE NEED TO GO THERE AND SPEAK TO THEM IN FRONT OF IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL SO THAT, AS COMMISSIONER COATS SAID, THEY HAVE THE STAFF THERE BECAUSE THEY THEY WON'T GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH, JUST LIKE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION. BUT THEY OFTEN TAKE THOSE COMMENTS AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND WHAT ABOUT THAT TO THE STAFF THAT'S THERE TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS. SO PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, AS COMMISSIONER COATS DID, TO PLEASE HAVE YOUR VOICE BE HEARD IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AS WELL. AND YOU STOLE MY THUNDER TOO, BECAUSE I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WATCHES THIS MEETING AS WELL. I'M PRETTY SURE MOST OF THE COUNCIL WILL WATCH A LOT OF THIS MEETING AND SEE THE DELIBERATION THAT GOES ON UP HERE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF PROBABLY WHERE I'M GOING TO GO TONIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND Y'ALL SHOWED UP, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP PROBABLY MAKE ME THINK ABOUT SOME THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN I WAS THINKING BEFORE. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME THROUGH AND DENIED IT. LAST TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE. WE HAD A PRETTY CLEAN POD. I THINK IT'S STILL A CLEAN POD, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WATER. AND SO THE ONE OF THE QUICK QUESTION I FEEL, AND I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A LOOPHOLE BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED IT, CHAIR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NON-ESSENTIAL LAGOON. AND SO THEY CAN'T PULL CITY WATER IN. NOW, I KNOW FULL BUILD OUT THE DEVELOPMENT'S PROJECTED WHAT, 1.4, YOU KNOW, MILLION WATERS, I THINK PER PER MONTH OR OR I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TOTAL USAGE IS THERE, BUT IT'S AROUND 1.4 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER, I THINK, PER MONTH, FULL BUILD OUT. OKAY. AND SO WHAT I'M CURIOUS IS IF THIS IS A NON-ESSENTIAL USE, DOES THAT STILL GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO PULL WATER OUT OF THE WELL TO KEEP IT FULL? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING, DIRECTOR GRIFFIN OR OR SO WE'RE NOT LIMITING THEIR USE OF THE. WELL, RIGHT. THIS IS SAYING THEY CAN'T USE CITY WATER TO FILL. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO A NON-ESSENTIAL USE. BUT THEN AT SOME POINT THE THE LAGOON NEEDS TO BE REFILLED. THEY COULD JUST PULL IT FROM THAT WELL, ANYTIME THEY WANT.

AND THAT WAS MY FIRST COMMENT OF CLARIFICATION, SAYING THAT THE CITY CAN'T LIMIT WHAT THEY PULL OUT OF THE WELL. WELL, CORRECT. RIGHT. BUT THEN BUT THEN AGAIN, IT'S IT'S A LOOPHOLE IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT A NON-ESSENTIAL USE THAT TECHNICALLY YOU WOULD THINK THAT, OKAY, WELL, THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T FILL IT BACK UP. IT

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JUST HAS TO JUST EVAPORATE. BUT THE TECHNICALLY THEY CAN FILL IT UP WITH THE WELL THEY HAVE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WELL WATER ACCESS TO THAT. AND UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF LIMITATIONS ON THAT, THEY CAN PULL OUT AS MUCH AS, AS, AS THEY DEEM NECESSARY TO KEEP THAT LAGOON FULL, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH DROUGHT SITUATIONS. YEAH. NON-ESSENTIAL JUST MEANS THEY CAN'T TAKE FROM CITY WATER. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL CLEAR. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO A VOTE? OKAY. SO I'LL I'LL START US OFF AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORALES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND SO WE HAVE A 5 TO 1 WITH COMMISSIONER OLIVER OPPOSING. COMMISSIONER OLIVER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STATE YOUR REASONS ON WHY YOU'RE OPPOSING? YEAH. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THE CONCERNS WITH THE AQUIFER AND THE WATER AND THE AMOUNT THEY CAN PULL OUT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY BEING USED, JUST WANTED SOME BETTER CLARITY AROUND THAT. I WANT THEM TO SHARE THAT STUDY. YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CITY REVIEW THAT. AND BECAUSE THE CITY CAME BACK AND LIKE I SAID, THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THEY HADN'T SEEN THAT STUDY, BUT THEY DID. AT LEAST THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IF THIS IS DEEMED, YOU KNOW, A WORTHY DEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THE CITY, WE SHOULD APPROVE IT. AND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THAT. I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE ALL THE DETAILS AND THE INFORMATION FIRST BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A MAKE A GOOD, CLEAR DECISION ON THAT. OKAY. THANK

[12. Discuss and consider action regarding Tree Removal Case TRP-25-0050 regarding the removal of four (4) Significant Trees and one (1) Heritage Tree associated with the Suds Deluxe Car Wash, generally located at 675 Kauffman Loop, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]