[1. Open Meeting.]
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          TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 16TH, 2026, AND THE TIME IS NOW 6 P.M. AND THIS IS THE BRIEFING WORKSHOP OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL. CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER STEVEN CHENG. HERE AND OUT OF THE ROOM AT THE MOMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MICHAEL HERRERA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER TONY BLAIR, PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER ANNETTE SPONSELLER, PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW NADINE HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BECKY ROSS HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER STEVEN CHANG, PRESENT, AND MAYOR NICOLE THOMPSON PRESENT. ALL RIGHT, 
          [3. Receive a presentation from Applied Research Associates, Inc., regarding City of Leander Pavement Management Services and 5-year Pavement Maintenance Plan.]
ITEM TWO CITY. I'M SORRY. ITEM THREE RECEIVE A PRESENTATION FROM APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. REGARDING THE CITY OF LEANDER PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND FIVE YEAR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PLAN. DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. ROMAN PADILLA WILL INTRODUCE THE CONSULTANT. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M ROMAN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. TODAY WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT ABOUT OUR PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT AND MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE DO EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND WE HAVE A REUBEN WILLIAMS FROM ADVANCED AR ASSOCIATES. SO HE GONNA BE PRESENTING ALL THE FINDINGS ON THE STUDY. HE WILL GO OVER THE VARIOUS BUDGET ANALYSIS. THAT'S VARIOUS OUR REQUIREMENT THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR NEXT FIVE YEARS TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND OTHER RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU? WELCOME. HELLO. GOOD MORNING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'LL BE GOING OVER THE THE PRESENTATION. I ASSUME THIS IS THE MAGIC WAND FOR THIS. YES IT IS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN INTRODUCED. SO WE'LL DO A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON WHAT PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT IS AND KIND OF WHAT THE GOALS ARE, SOME OF THE PHILOSOPHIES THAT ARE BEHIND WHAT WE DO WITH THIS. WHEN WE DO AN ASSESSMENT AND LOOK AT WHAT TO DO FOR FOR TREATMENTS, THE BASICS ARE WE WANT TO PLAN THE MAINTENANCE AND SELECT THE RIGHT TREATMENT, DO IT AT THE RIGHT TIME SO YOU GET THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK THAT YOU'RE SPENDING THE THE FUNDING, THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER TO PROMOTE THE ROAD'S LASTING LONG VERSUS FAILING EARLY. IT'S THE LIKE THE ADAGE OF YOU GET YOUR OIL CHANGED, YOU KNOW, IT'S 150 BUCKS A FEW TIMES A YEAR. INSTEAD OF BUYING A NEW ENGINE FOR SIX GRAND, KEEPING UP WITH YOUR MAINTENANCE ON THAT. TO DO THIS, WE DO NEED TO HAVE GOOD DATA. WE HAVE TO HAVE MODELS TO PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. WE HAVE SOME KIND OF DECISION MATRIX THAT GIVES US A GUIDANCE ON, OKAY, WHAT CONDITION TRIGGERS WHAT TYPE OF TREATMENT. AND THEN WE PUT THAT INTO A BUDGETING AND ANALYTICS TOOL. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED BUDGET. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE SPEND WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE MOST IMPACT. SO THE BRIEF WAY THAT THE DATA FLOWED IS ONE, REVIEW THE INVENTORY THAT YOU HAVE. AND NO MATTER IF I'VE DONE A CITY 20 TIMES OR FIVE TIMES, ALWAYS GO BACK, REVIEW THE INVENTORY. THERE'S ALWAYS LITTLE, LITTLE THINGS THAT SLIP IN LIKE, HEY, THAT'S NOT EVEN MY ROAD. I DON'T WANT TO GO FIX IT. AND THAT, THAT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN THAN YOU'D LIKE. NEXT STEP IS, WELL, I KNOW WHAT I HAVE, WHAT CONDITION IS IT IN? AND THAT'S WHERE WE DO THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT. SO GO THROUGH WELL COLLECT COLLECT THE DATA AND ANALYZE THE CONDITION. THOSE GO HAND IN HAND. THEN WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS WE WANT TO MEET. THEY COULD EITHER BE WE WANT ALL THE ROADS ABOVE A CERTAIN SCORE OR WE WANT AN AVERAGE SCORE OF THIS OR NO MORE THAN X PERCENT BELOW A CERTAIN SCORE. SO THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SETTING YOUR TARGETS ON THAT AND THEN BUDGETS. YOU HAVE A BUDGET YOU'RE STARTING WITH YOU HAVE A BUDGET YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE. YOU MAY BE PLANNING FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO, WORST CASE SCENARIO. SO WE LOOK AT VARIOUS THINGS THAT WHAT HAPPENS IF BUDGET IS CHANGED BASED ON THAT BUDGET. WE CAN SELECT A LIMITED NUMBER OF TREATMENTS. HOWEVER, USUALLY WHEN THE OUTPUTS COME OUT, YOU HAVE STUFF ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT'S DISORGANIZED. SO AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE ANALYSIS BRAIN OF THE SOFTWARE IS LOOKING TO OPTIMIZE A SCORE. 
          IT'S NOT THINKING THAT THESE STREETS AREN'T NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SO WE GO THROUGH AND WE PRIORITIZE TREATMENTS AFTER THAT AND MAKE SOME JUDGMENT CALLS AND SAY, THIS ONE'S CLOSE ENOUGH. LET'S LUMP THESE TOGETHER, SWITCH THE EARS AROUND. THAT WAY WE HAVE A PLAN THAT IS MORE REALISTIC AND IMPLEMENTABLE. SO GOING I MENTIONED THE INVENTORY. THE TOP IS JUST THAT LIST IS BASICALLY JUST WHAT ATTRIBUTES ARE ASSOCIATED TO YOUR ROAD, HOW WIDE IT IS, THE NAME, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN IN THE SYSTEM, ETC. THE BOTTOM THERE SHOWS A 
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BREAKDOWN OF YOUR OF THE CURRENT MILEAGE AND YOUR NETWORK HAS INCREASED IN SIZE. 
          IT HAS. SINCE THE LAST SURVEY. THIS AREA HAS BEEN STEADILY GROWING AND ABOUT 360 CENTERLINE MILES. AND WE HAVE MORE TEST MILES BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE ACTUALLY COLLECT EXTRA PASSES ON YOUR MAJOR ROADWAYS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU SEE CONDITION THAT MAY DIFFER BY LANE OR EVEN DIRECTION. SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, DO I HAVE I NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE OVERALL CONDITION, NOT THE ONE LITTLE GOOD PART. LET'S LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FAIR ASSESSMENT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLUE LINES ARE YOUR MAJOR ROADS LARGELY RESIDENTIAL. SO YOU SEE LOTS OF THE THE PINK IN THERE. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE MAGIC BUS THAT WE DROVE OUT THERE WHEN WE DID THE DATA COLLECTION. SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF FANCY SYSTEMS ON IT. IT HAS GPS, SO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT, ALL KINDS OF 3D SYSTEMS. THE ONE IN THE BACK, THE ONE THAT SAYS 3D CAMERA. IT'S ACTUALLY A SINGLE LASER THAT MEASURES NOT ONLY LIKE A PHOTOGRAPH, A BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPH VIEW, BUT ACTUALLY THE DISTANCE. SO WE KNOW WHEN THAT SIGNAL GOES FURTHER DOWN, IT'S GOING INTO A CRACK. SO VERY ACCURATE CRACK RECOGNITION. BACK WHEN I STARTED THIS, IT WAS JUST CONTRAST WHERE YOU'RE COMPARING COLORS LIKE A GRAY AND A ON A BLACK LINE. AND IT WAS VERY HARD SOMETIMES FOR THE AI TO EVEN GET THOSE CORRECT. SO WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF EVOLUTION IN THE TECHNOLOGY. WE ALSO DID LIDAR SCANNING. IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT WE DID INVENTORY, SOME ASSETS, A CURB AND SIDEWALK INVENTORY. AND WE HAVE, I THINK, OUR TOOLS, MY COLLEAGUE IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING THAT FILE AND SENDING IT OVER SHORTLY ON THAT. THEN YOU HAVE AN INERTIAL PROFILER THAT TELLS YOU HOW BUMPY THE ROAD IS, BASICALLY THE COFFEE TEST, BUT WITHOUT THE COFFEE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE IT'S MUCH MORE OBJECTIVE BECAUSE IT CANCELS OUT THE VEHICLE MOVEMENT, THE VEHICLE DYNAMICS THAT DIFFER. MY PICKUP TRUCK IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM SOMEONE DRIVING A CAMARO DOWN THE ROAD. HOW THEY PERCEIVE BUMPINESS. THEN WE MEASURE THE DISTANCE, HOW FAR YOU'RE GOING DOWN. WE HAVE A ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT GUIDE THE THE MISSILES AND STUFF BASICALLY TELLS YOU THE PITCH AND ROLL OF THE VAN AND HOW IT'S TILTED, YOU KNOW, REAL HIGH TECH STUFF IN THERE. AND THAT IS WHAT'S THE EQUIPMENT USED. AND WE HAD VERY GOOD COVERAGE OF WHAT WE PLANNED TO COLLECT. 99% WAS COLLECTED. AND WHAT DIDN'T WAS EITHER STUFF THAT WAS PLATTED AND NOT BUILT, DIDN'T EXIST OR INACCESSIBLE FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO THAT IS A VERY GOOD COVERAGE ON THIS. WE HAVE A VERY ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF CONDITION. SO THIS IS THE THE PROCESSING SOFTWARE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN BOXES. THAT'S ALL THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PICKING OUT THE CRACKS ON THERE AND THE DEFECTS. THEN WE GO THROUGH DO MANUAL QC AND SAY, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE. SOMEHOW THE AI GOT CONFUSED ON THIS ROAD AND WE FIX IT. SO WE DID A ROBUST QC ON THAT TO TRY TO MINIMIZE ANY THAT MAY HAVE SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS. WHEN WE DID THE THE SCORE CALCULATION, BUT THOSE ARE THE THE FEATURES THAT WE CAN GET FROM THE PAVEMENT IMAGERY ON THERE. SO BIG ON THE DISTRESS BECAUSE THAT GUYS, WHAT TYPE OF MAINTENANCE IS REQUIRED. OKAY, SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT NOW ABOUT THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS THAT WE FOUND OUT THERE. SO THERE'S ABOUT THIS CURVE IS PROBABLY BEING USED BY EVERY PAVEMENT ENGINEER IN THE NATION, OR ONE VERY SIMILAR TO IT. IT'S JUST THAT YOUR PCI PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS JUST LIKE IN SCHOOL, IT'S A 0 TO 100 INDEX, ZERO IS COMPLETELY FAILED AND 100 IS PERFECT, BRAND NEW. YOU KNOW, THE, THE A STUDENT UP THERE WHEN YOU'RE DOING REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE AT THAT RANGE, WHEN IT'S VERY IN VERY GOOD CONDITION OR AT, OR IN THAT RANGE THAT'S NEAR THAT YOU SEE IT'S VERY INEXPENSIVE. YOU'RE TALKING PENNIES PER SQUARE YARD. AS YOU SLIDE DOWN, THAT SCALE GETS MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. YOU GET INTO YOUR, YOUR SEAL COATS, YOUR, YOUR FOG SEALS. OH, SORRY, YOUR FOG SEALS ON THAT NEXT ONE. YOU KNOW ABOUT A BUCK. THEN YOU START GETTING INTO STUFF THAT MAYBE YOU'RE ADDING SOME AGGREGATE OR MICRO SURFACE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS ON. OKAY, IT GOES UP ABOUT THREE TIMES MORE. THEN YOU START GETTING INTO YOUR OVERLAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MILLING UP AND REPLACING. AND THAT IS ABOUT 25 MOST AGENCIES I'VE SEEN ABOUT 21 TO 33 IN THAT RANGE, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THEY'RE DOING. AND THE ONE YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW, WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM IF YOU CAN KEEP THE CONDITION UP IS HAVING BEING FORCED TO RECONSTRUCT A ROAD. NOW, THERE ARE OTHER DRIVERS FOR THAT. IT COULD BE AN EXPANSION THAT THIS OLD TWO LANE ROAD IS GOING TO BE A SIX LANE ROAD NOW. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO REUSE ANY OF THAT STUFF. LET'S BUILD SOMETHING NEW. SO THE IDEA IS KEEP THINGS BETTER OVERALL AND THEN ADDRESS THE BAD ONES LITTLE BY LITTLE WHEN YOU CAN. SO HERE'S A, HERE'S A HOW THE CURRENT CONDITION LOOKS THIS YEAR. THIS 
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ALSO DOES INCLUDE ROADS THAT WERE PLANNED FOR MAINTENANCE THAT WERE. THE MAINTENANCE WAS DONE. AFTER OUR SURVEY, WE WENT AND UPDATED THE SCORES, KNOWING. HEY, WE DID AN OVERLAY HERE. WE SHOULD GIVE CREDIT TO THE THE SCORES FOR THAT. SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE GOOD AND THE TOP TWO GREEN ONES, THE GOOD AND SATISFACTORY. THAT IS A GOOD RANGE TO BE IN. IT'S EITHER NO MAINTENANCE OR VERY LIGHT MAINTENANCE TO MAINTAIN THAT CONDITION. AS YOU START SLIDING DOWN, YOU CAN EXPECT THE DOLLARS TO RISE. SO THOSE LITTLE DARKER REDS AND PINK SPECKLED IN THERE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF ROADS, BUT IT IS EXPENSIVE TO GET THOSE IN THE END. SO SOME OF THE HOW THESE ARE DISTRIBUTED. SO LOOKING HERE WE SEE FROM 2000 2020 WHEN THE FIRST SURVEY WAS DONE. SECOND SURVEY WAS DONE IN 2021 AFTER THE ICE STORM TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE ROADS. AND THEN THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU ALMOST HAVE 100 MORE MILES AND YOUR SCORE IS SLIGHTLY LOWER. SO YOU DO HAVE THE NATURAL DETERIORATION OF ROADS AND YOU HAVE ANNEXATION OF MAYBE OLDER ROADS THAT CAN JUST GO DOWN, BUT THEN YOU HAVE NEW ROADS YOU'RE BUILDING. SO IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT DO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVERALL SCORE 83. THAT'S A PRETTY RESPECTABLE SCORE OVERALL FOR A NETWORK. IT MAKES IT EASIER TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP UP WHEN IT'S HIGHER, AS OPPOSED TO STARTING AT A 60 AND TRYING TO GET UP TO AN 80 OR 85. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT MIRACULOUS FUNDING. SO AS WE SEE HERE, WE ARE SEEING BETTER PERFORMANCE ON YOUR LOCAL STREETS AND SLIGHTLY AND LOWER ON YOUR ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS. BUT YOU ARE EXPECTING HEAVIER TRUCKS, MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF VEHICLES ON YOUR ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS. 
          SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO SOMETIMES SEE THOSE PERFORMING WORSE THAN YOUR LOCAL STREETS. 
          AND WE SEE HERE THE DISTRIBUTION BY THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ON THE CHART ON THE LEFT THERE, YOU SEE YOU HAVE A LOT OF ROADS. YOU GOT THE COLORS, RIGHT? YES. THE THE BLUE COLUMN ON THE THE RIGHT OF THE GROUPS IS SHOWING A LOT IN THE, THE, THE GOOD CONDITION. 
          AND THEN IT TAPERS DOWN. YOU MAY WANT TO ASK, WELL THERE'S MORE IN THE GOOD CONDITION, BUT WHY THE SCORE GO DOWN. YOU HAVE A MICRO DISTRIBUTION WITHIN EACH ONE. SO THEY COULD BE ON THE HIGH END OR LOW END, BUT THEY DO AVERAGE OUT TO THE 83 AND THEN LOOKING HOW THEIR BY THE LENGTH OF YOUR MILES, 72% OF THE NETWORK MILEAGE IN GOOD CONDITION. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ALL THESE NUMBERS. WHAT DO THEY MEAN? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE TAKEN IN THE FIELD. THESE ARE THE RIGHT OF WAY ONES NOT THE THE DOWNWARD ONES. JUST SHOWING. WHAT IF I SAW A ROAD. WHAT KIND OF SCORE IS IT. SO THE FIRST ONE THERE 90 96.9. THAT'S GOOD CONDITION. THERE MAY BE A COUPLE CRACKS, JUST A FEW. IT HAS A VERY, VERY MINIMAL IMPACT. OR DEDUCT ON THE SCORE AS YOU START TO GETTING OTHER CRACK MORE CRACKING DEVELOP WHERE YOU'RE THE CRACKS START TO OPEN UP OR GO ACROSS THE ROAD OR EVEN THE ALLIGATOR CRACKING STARTS UP. YOU SEE THAT SCORE DROP. SO NOW WITH JUST A TINY PERCENT OF ALLIGATOR CRACKING, LIKE 1 OR 2%, YOUR SCORE DROPS A LOT. SO IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S INDICATIVE OF A GREATER FAILURE WHEN YOU WHEN THAT STARTS TO MANIFEST ITSELF. SO IT WROTE ABOUT A 76 CLOSE TO CLOSE TO 80. NOW YOU CAN SEE LANCASTER THERE. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE DEFORMATIONS IN ADDITION TO WHERE THOSE CRACKS ARE FORMING. SO WE'RE SEEING LOTS OF THE PAVEMENT. BASICALLY, THOSE CRACKS ARE STARTING TO MOVE WHERE YOU'RE WE'RE GETTING DIFFERENTIAL ON THE ACROSS IT. AND THEN OVER HERE ON THE COUNTY ROAD, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'VE REPAIRED THAT ALLIGATOR CRACKING, WHERE ALL THAT IS JUST. AND THAT THAT'LL TEND TO TRANSITION AWAY AS ROADS GET CONVERTED AND SHOULDERS OR CURB AND GUTTER ARE PUT IN. BUT A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE INHERITING, THEY'RE BEING GIFTED ROADS FROM EITHER THE COUNTY OR SOMETIMES THE STATE. EVEN RONALD REAGAN, THIS ONE ACTUALLY IS FAIRLY LOW. 
          AND I PROMISE THIS WAS NOT THE SECTION I DESIGNED 20 YEARS AGO. OKAY, THERE WAS ONE UP HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS WAS THE ONE AT 37. AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS PRE ICE STORM, THIS ONE WAS MUCH HIGHER. AND WHEN WE SURVEYED IT AFTER THE ICE STORM IT WAS LOWER. BUT THE DAMAGE OCCURRED BEFORE. SO SOMEWHERE BEFORE THE ICE STORM THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON, BUT THAT ROAD DIDN'T TAKE A HIT SINCE THE LAST FORMAL INSPECTION WITH THE WORK PLAN. THEN YOU SEE EVANS STREET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY OLD. 
          CLEARLY THE GRASS IS GROWING ON THE EDGES. YOU SEE LOTS OF CRACKS OUT THERE. AND THEN ANOTHER COUNTY ROAD. THIS WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS THIS LOW. SO I WANT TO FIND ONE THAT WAS 
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LESS THAN TEN. SO IT'S CLEARLY A VERY OLD ROAD THAT PROBABLY IMPROVEMENTS HAVEN'T BEEN DONE ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME. OKAY, SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SCORES LOOK LIKE, ALL THE SCORES FOR AND PICTURES FOR EVERY SINGLE STREET SURVEYED ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEB, WE CAN DO THROUGH THE WORK WITH ROMAN TO DISTRIBUTE ACCESS TO THESE. I JUST NEED TO GET PEOPLE'S EMAILS AND WE CAN SET ANYBODY UP. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SHARED FOR THAT. 
          AND IT'S INSTANT ACCESS, SHOWS THE IMAGES, PLAYS THE VIDEOS, AND WE'LL WE'LL WORK WITH ROMAN TO POST, GIVE THEM THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR THE COLOR CODED MAP. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A USEFUL TOOL WHEN YOU NEED A QUICK ANSWER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL THEM YOUR LUNCH BREAKS OVER. COME GET ME THE INFO. NO, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP YOURSELF VERY EASILY. 
          OKAY, NOW FOR THE PART. THE LANGUAGE THAT EVERYBODY SPEAKS IS MONEY. WHETHER IT'S A ROAD, WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE EATING FOR DINNER OR ORDERING. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE COST OF WHAT I'M GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS? SO WE WENT THROUGH THE OVERALL FLOW, BUT WITHIN THAT, THERE IS A PROCESS TO SELECTING YOUR TREATMENTS, KNOWING YOUR SCORE. THAT'S GETTING THE PCI SURVEY CRITICAL SECTIONS. WHAT DO I MEAN BY CRITICAL SECTIONS? THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE MAINTENANCE CATEGORY NEXT YEAR. SO IF I DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. YOU HAVE OTHER ONES THAT ARE NOT CRITICAL. MEANING IF I DON'T DO ANYTHING ON HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME THING NEXT YEAR. SO I GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A WINDOW BEFORE I'M FORCED TO TAKE ACTION. SO THAT THAT PLAYS INTO GETTING YOUR OPTIMAL TIMING, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE SIX YEARS TO CATCH UP TO SOMETHING, YOU MAY WANT TO PUSH THAT A LITTLE AND GET THE GUYS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE URGENT FIRST AND GROUPING PROJECTS SPATIALLY. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE BECAUSE MANY SOFTWARES, THIS IS NOT AN OUTPUT. THE BRAIN OF THE SOFTWARE WANTS TO MAKE THAT PCI NUMBER THE HIGHEST. IT DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THE ROADS ARE. SOME OF THE NEWER SOFTWARES ARE AND YOU PAY FOR THAT. THOSE ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE IN GENERAL. AND THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SPEND EVERY PENNY. WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE. LET'S SPEND GET THE MAXIMUM BENEFIT ABOUT WHAT WITH OUR INVESTMENT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS. INFLATION RATE. 
          THIS CAN BE ALL OVER THE PLACE. SOME AGENCIES ARE A LITTLE MORE PESSIMISTIC. SAY NO WE WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE WORST. LET'S DO 8% OR SOMETHING INSANE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT USED THREE RECENTLY OR CLOSE TO US. WE FELT THAT WAS A GOOD TARGET FOR THAT. OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS ABOUT 2.2 MILLION. SO WE LOOKED IN THE RANGE AND IN THAT RANGE, YOU KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS A LITTLE TO RUN THE ANALYSIS. AND THEN WE GOT GATHERING INFORMATION FOR YOUR DIFFERENT TREATMENT TYPES. AS WE SAW EARLIER, SOME ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WELL, DEFINITELY SOME ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OTHERS, BUT THERE'S VARIATIONS OF FLUCTUATIONS IN THESE. SO WE COMPARED HISTORIC INFORMATION. WE HAD HISTORIC FROM THE LAST REPORT, SOME CURRENT BID TABS AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON OTHER RECENT PROJECTS TO TRY TO COME UP AND WORK WITH ROMAN AND HIS TEAM TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS REASONABLE. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE. AS OUR BUDGETING ESTIMATES. AND THEN EACH TREATMENT HAS, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG OR HOW LONG IS THAT EFFECTIVE TILL YOU MAY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE? AND WE'RE SEEING ON SOME OF THESE WITH SOME OF THE NEW PRODUCTS COMING OUT, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING BETTER PERFORMANCE ON CERTAIN APPLICATIONS. EXCUSE ME. NOW, I DID MENTION THAT ROADS DETERIORATE. SO THIS KIND OF KIND OF YOUR YOUR CRYSTAL BALL, WHEN YOU LOOK INTO IT, IT SAID, IF THE SCORE IS AN 80 NOW, WHAT WILL IT BE IN SIX YEARS? SO JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING THIS CURVE DOWN TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO US, WHAT YOU WOULD ESTIMATE THAT CONDITION WOULD BE. SOME PERFORM BETTER, SOME PERFORM WORSE. IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT IS THE BEST WAY TO THE BEST TOOL. WE HAVE TO PREDICT WHAT'S GOING FORWARD. AND THIS WAS BASED ON DATA THAT I HAD USED FOR YEARS FOR THE WEST SIDE OF CITY OF GEORGETOWN. THEY'VE DONE 6 OR 7 INSPECTIONS OR I THINK I'VE DONE SIX FOR THEM. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN FEEDING DATA INTO THAT A LONG TIME, VERY SIMILAR SOIL CONDITIONS. WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD THING. WELL, LET'S START HERE. AND AS WE BUILD YOUR OWN DATA SET, WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THIS MODEL EACH CYCLE. SO THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE REVIEW AND UPDATE EACH CYCLE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAD LOTS OF DECISIONS TO MAKE DIFFERENT THINGS TO CONSIDER. 
          AND THIS WE RAN SEVERAL BUDGET SCENARIOS. SO THE FIRST ONE THE FIRST THREE UP THERE IS YOU HAVE A FIXED BUDGET. WHAT CAN I DO WITH THIS MUCH MONEY? SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT. THE TWO, THE 2.2 AND THE 2.4 MILLION. THE NEXT SET THE TARGET PCI. THESE ARE HEY, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE BUDGET IS, WHAT FUNDING GETS ME TO THIS LEVEL. SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO GO UP OR DOWN, STAY THE SAME ON THOSE THREE. THEN THE UNLIMITED BUDGET LEVEL. THAT'S THE SANTA CLAUS SOLUTION. IF I HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD AND HE CAME IN OVERNIGHT WITH ALL HIS 
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ELVES AND BUILT IT, BUT HE'S SENDING ME A BILL IN THE MORNING, HOW MUCH WOULD I HAVE TO INVEST RIGHT NOW TO DO THAT AND THEN DO NOTHING? THAT IS BASICALLY IF ASPHALT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE AND WE CAN'T FIX THE ROADS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SCORES? AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, ABSOLUTE WORST. AND WE DID SAY ESTIMATE IN FIVE YEARS THAT WILL DROP YOUR SCORE CLOSE TO TEN POINTS. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE WORK PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A TARGET. WE HAVE A GOAL. SO WE'RE LOOKING AROUND PLUS OR -3.3 MILLION IN DEVELOPING A WORK PLAN THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR. WHERE WE DID THE PROJECT GROUPINGS AND WENT THE FULL NINE YARDS WITH THAT. OKAY, SO YET ANOTHER TABLE IN AN ENGINEERING PRESENTATION, BUT WE'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO THE ONE THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE BLUE, THAT'S THE, THE CURRENT 2.2 MILLION AND THE S9 ON THE END, THAT'S THE 3.3 MILLION THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE A COMPARISON OF THE SCENARIOS. THERE ARE LOTS OF LINES ON THERE, BUT THE BRIGHT GREEN ONE I'M GLAD HE MADE IT. A BRIGHT GREEN IS VERY EASY TO SEE, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. IT PRETTY MUCH KEEPS THINGS VERY STABLE ON THAT. AND THEN THOSE LOWER ONES WITH THE LOWER FUNDING, YOU CAN SEE THAT TAKES US DOWN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKES YOU DOWN A ROAD. YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO WHERE IT'S HARD TO GET BACK OUT OF THERE. ONCE YOU FIND DOWN THAT SLOPE. ALL RIGHT, SO ONE THING THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES IN THESE SCENARIOS, SOME FOLKS ARE, WELL, LET'S FIX THE WORST ROAD FIRST. OTHER ONES SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KIND OF DO THE GOOD ONES AND KEEP THEM GOOD. IT'S KIND OF IT'S A BALANCE OF THEM ALL. THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF GET INTO THAT. THE CRITICALITY THAT IF IT'S PRE FAILURE, FIX IT AND THAT GOES WITHIN EACH MAINTENANCE GROUP. SO WE RAN AN ANALYSIS, OKAY. IF WE FIX ALL THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY BAD FIRST, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. AND THIS IS FOR ACHIEVING A TARGET SCORE OF 85. THE TOTAL INVESTMENT WAS TRYING TO DO MATH. IN MY HEAD I'M LOOKING AT THE MILES, NOT THE. THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT THERE FOR 85 4.5 MILLION. OKAY. YOU'RE ONLY TOUCHING 13 MILES OF ROADWAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE WORST FIRST APPROACH WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO INCREASE YOUR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AND YOUR LIGHTER TREATMENTS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY TOUCH 37.5 MILES AND ACHIEVE THAT SAME SCORE. SO IT SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF DISTRIBUTING THAT IN A, IN A SENSIBLE WAY ON THOSE THINGS. AND THEN WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE TARGET SCORE OF 84 MILES VERSUS 26 ON THE. AND YOU'RE GETTING MORE FOR LESS WITH THE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU CONSIDER YOUR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE AS ONE OF YOUR IDEAL THINGS TO DO. SO WE'VE SEEN THIS WITH AGENCY AFTER AGENCY AFTER AGENCY. IT'S A PRETTY COMMON THING INCREASING THAT PM REALLY HELPS YOUR SCORE. WE ALSO LOOKED AT. EVEN IF WE'RE DOING WORK, YOU STILL HAVE A BACKLOG THAT'S GROWING AND IT'S CALLED BASICALLY DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. CAN'T DO IT THIS YEAR. I'LL GET TO IT WHEN I CAN. DEFERRED OR DELAYED KIND OF USE THEM BOTH. SO THE RED ONE IS. LET ME SEE. OKAY, THE RED DIAMOND, THAT'S BASICALLY IF YOU DON'T SPEND ANYTHING, IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. SO THAT DO NOTHING ANALYSIS. THAT'S WHERE IT'LL BE $50 MILLION IN 20 2031. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE OTHER TWO, THE BLUE ONE IS AT THE 2.2 CURRENT FUNDING. SO THAT'S THE BACKLOG IN ADDITION TO THE 2.2 MILLION THAT YOU SPENT. AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE WITH THE GREEN LINE, IT'S MUCH LESS OF A BACKLOG, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO SPEND A 3.3 MILLION TO GET THERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THESE ARE JUST MAPS. SO I DON'T HAVE TO READ ANY TINY TABLES ANYMORE. 
          BASICALLY HAVE THE THREE CATEGORIES OF THE RECLAME. IT'S KIND OF A REJUVENATOR IT, IT REALLY HELPS KEEP THE ASPHALT PLIABLE SO IT DOESN'T CRACK AS QUICKLY. IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RELIGIOUS ABOUT DOING THAT OVER AND OVER, IT CAN REALLY EXTEND YOUR PAYMENT LIFE QUITE A BIT. THEN YOU GOT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SURFACE SEALS, THE HPP OR THE MICRO SURFACE. THOSE ARE FOR LITTLE WORSE CONDITION AND THEN OVERLAY THE ROADS CRACK, THERE'S DEFORMATIONS. 
          MAYBE IT'S BUMPY. SO YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING HEAVIER FOR TREATMENT. SO THE ESTIMATED NETWORK END SCORE AND THE OR THE SCORE IN THIS YEAR WAS 84.85. AFTER THE MAINTENANCE IS DONE THEN IT'S DETERIORATED. IT BUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT IN 2028. YOU CAN SEE 
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THE AREAS WHERE THE THE TREATMENTS WERE SELECTED. THEN 2029 TRYING TO KEEP THE THE PROJECTS CLUSTERED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND. AND THEN 2030 AND THE SCORE IS STILL IN THERE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, 80, 84.5 AND, AND 85. AND THEN FINALLY 2031. NOW THIS IS JUST SHY OF 85 BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THE PROJECT GROUPINGS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS BEFORE WE MOVE THEM ALL TOGETHER, IT'S RIGHT AT 85. SO JUST MOVING IT AROUND SPATIALLY LOSING THAT TINY OF AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD. SOME AGENCIES WILL TAKE A HIT OF 2 OR 3 POINTS AFTER THEY DO THE GROUPING. SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD A PRETTY GOOD. WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT THAT YOU'RE GETTING ON THAT? SO LOOKING AT THEM ALL TOGETHER. SO THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN WOULD TOUCH IN TEN YEARS. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A SIZABLE CHUNK OF THE NETWORK, YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE 33 MILES A YEAR OVER FIVE YEARS. THAT'S ALMOST HALF THE NETWORK IF MY MATH IS RIGHT. AND THEN THE SCORES YOU CAN SEE ARE STAYING BETWEEN PRETTY CLOSE TO 85, WHICH WAS THE TARGET. ALL RIGHT. JUST SOME CLOSING THOUGHTS REGARDING WHAT WE'VE WE'VE DONE HERE. CURRENTLY YOU ARE AT A SCORE OF 83, WHICH IS A GOOD SCORE, GIVES YOU A GOOD STARTING POINT. WHEN YOU DO IT DOES DROP SLIGHTLY ABOUT A POINT, 1.2 POINTS AT THE CURRENT FUNDING LEVEL. AND WE'LL INCREASE SLIGHTLY WITH THE INCREASE IN FUNDING. NOW RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS CIP PROJECTS ARE NOT INCLUDED. YOU DO ONE OF THOSE. IT HELPS YOUR PCI SCORE, ALTHOUGH AS AN ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCE. AND THEN CONTINUING TO KEEP UP WITH YOUR SURVEYS WILL HELP IMPROVE THOSE MODELS BECAUSE IT COULD BE WITHIN APPROVED MODEL. YOU MAY SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT BETTER, OR MAYBE WE'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING AS GOOD. YOU NEED MORE DATA FOR THAT. AND AGENCIES THAT HAVE THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, THIS 4 OR 5 CYCLES, IT TAKES TIME TO BUILD IT UP AND YOU ALL ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH DOING THESE SURVEYS. VERY LARGE ROADS LIKE RONALD REAGAN. THE PART THAT I DID NOT DESIGN IS IT'S GOING TO NEED A MAJOR SOURCE OF FUNDING. IT'S A BIG, BIG, LONG ROAD. MAYBE GOT TO GET HELP FROM OTHER OTHER AGENCIES, SOME JOINT PROJECTS OR BOND PROGRAMS. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO ASSUME MORE DEBT IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO ON THOSE THINGS. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD, AND I'LL BE READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. WELL, THANK YOU FOR SUCH A THOROUGH REPORT AND HELPING US WALK THROUGH THE OPTIONS WE HAVE AND WHAT THE COST WILL BE POTENTIALLY FOR EACH ONE. I'LL START WITH PRO TEM AND SEE IF SHE HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND THEN PLACE ONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          APPRECIATE. YOU KNOW, THE ANALOGY YOU MADE EARLIER, THAT OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE IS KIND OF LIKE DOING MAINTENANCE ON YOUR CAR, DOING YOUR OIL CHANGES AND YOUR TIRE ROTATIONS. NOW, BEFORE THE PROBLEMS BUILD UP, BEFORE YOU HAVE MAJOR FAILURES DOWN THE ROAD. AND I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF ENSURING THAT OUR ROADS CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED AND DON'T DEGRADE OVER, OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE OPTIONS YOU PRESENTED, I THINK THAT SCENARIO NINE SEEMS LIKE A VERY PLAUSIBLE OPTION HERE. SO I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS. 
          THE FIRST, I THINK EITHER YOU OR THE CITY MANAGER COULD ANSWER, BUT THAT INCREASE IN FUNDING, WHERE'S THAT? WHERE WOULD THAT FUNDING BE COMING FROM? YEAH. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE BEEN BUDGETING ANYWHERE FROM 2.4 TO 2.8 MILLION A YEAR. SO TO GET TO 3.3 ISN'T ANOTHER MAJOR LIFT. WE ARE ACTUALLY BEGINNING TO PROGRAM IN THE 3.2 TO 3.3 MILLION RANGE STARTING FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO IT'S COMING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND, RECURRING REVENUE STREAMS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE DIALING OUR BUDGET EFFORT INTO, AS WELL AS BEGINNING TO LOOK AT CELL TAX AND SOME OF THOSE MORE ELASTIC AND ECONOMICALLY SENSITIVE KIND OF REVENUE STREAMS. AND TO BEGIN TO TARGET WHERE WE HAVE MORE SELECTIVE TYPES OF OPERATIONS THAT WE WOULD RUN WITH THOSE REVENUE STREAMS. THIS IS A PROGRAM AS WE RUN IT, IF WE HIT SOME TOUGH ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, WE CAN DEFER MAINTENANCE AND TRY TO CATCH BACK UP LATER WHEN WE CATCH BACK UP. SO WE CAN KIND OF BUILD IN A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOCK ABSORBER IF THINGS KIND OF RUN A LITTLE BIT ROUGH ON OUR ECONOMY IN TERMS OF OUR LONG RANGE BUDGET FORECAST, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUDGET COMING FORWARD INTO NEXT YEAR IS SOME ADDITIONAL STAFFING, PARTICULARLY IN THE STREETS AND MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT NOW WHERE WE HAVE TONS OF CONTRACT WORK IN MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION OF THOSE EFFORTS THAT MR. RILEY NEEDS TO TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS IN 
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ON. AND SO WE, WE THINK WE NEED MORE STAFFING TO KIND OF BEGIN TO TACKLE THIS INCREASED LEVEL OF WORK THAT'S COMING UP, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT A 10% INCREASE FROM KIND OF WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE. BUT SO CURRENT REVENUE STREAMS CAN ABSORB IT. WE HAVE SOME GROWTH IN OUR REVENUE STREAMS NEXT YEAR, WHICH ROLL IT IN. AND THEN WE, WE ALREADY DO MULTI-YEAR BIDS FOR A LOT OF THE SUPPLIES AND ROAD MAINTENANCE SERVICES THAT ALLOW US TO RUN THIS PROGRAM. 
          THANKS FOR THAT. MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN SLIDE 33, YOU KIND OF MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE MAJOR ARTERIALS LIKE RONALD REAGAN, WHICH YOU DID NOT DESIGN RIGHT, ARE GOING TO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL FUNDING SOURCES. CAN YOU KIND OF TOUCH ON LIKE, WHAT SOME OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES MIGHT LOOK LIKE? DO WE HAVE STATE, COUNTY OR FEDERAL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT? WELL, SO ON REGULAR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND OUR ROAD REHABILITATION PROGRAM, WE DON'T WANT TO EXTEND BOND PROCEEDS FOR MAINTENANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS A 5 TO 7 YEAR LIFESPAN TO IT. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY 30 YEARS IN INTEREST ON THAT. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION ROADWAY SECTIONS, WE MAY BOND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. WE DEFINITELY WOULD LOOK TO INCORPORATE THESE INTO THE COUNTY ROAD BOND PROGRAM AS WELL, AND TRY TO GET PARTICIPATORY FUNDING FOR THAT. AND THEN WHERE WE HAVE POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDS, THOSE ARE REALLY GOING TO NOT BE SO MUCH REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT AS EXPANSION. SO WHEN WE GET INTO THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THAT CAPACITY AND SPENDING THOSE ROAD FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIFE SAFETY AND OTHER KIND OF ENHANCEMENT OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT SYSTEM. THAT'S WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY LOOK AT GRANTS OR SOME OTHER FUNDING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE HERO WAY EXPANSION. AND WHEN THAT GETS BUILT OUT, THAT INCREASE IN ROAD IS GOING TO BUMP UP OUR PCI SCORE. SO IN THAT SCENARIO, WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS THAT THAT SECTION OF HERO ACTUALLY IS ACCEPTED BY THE STATE. SO THAT THOSE TWO THREE WAY ROAD SECTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED AND PLANNED ARE THE SERVICE ROADS FOR THE MAIN LANES THAT WILL COME DOWN THE MIDDLE. IN EXCHANGE, WE WOULD THEN ACCEPT 2243. AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A PLACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY EXPERIENCE A LOT OF CAPITAL, A LOT OF DRAINAGE. I THINK THERE'S FOUR MAIN MAJOR DRAINAGE WAYS THAT THAT ROAD CROSSES AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATION. SO THAT SYSTEM IS GOING TO DEFINITELY ADD TO OUR LOAD AS WE GO FORWARD. THANK YOU SUE. SO SO LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE WORK YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE BASICALLY SPENDING 60, 63% ON MILL AND OVERLAY RATES. AND WE'RE DOING BASICALLY 12 MILES. OVER FIXING FOUR MILES A YEAR. 
          SO 16 TO 20 MILES OF ROAD. AND LOOKING AT OUR DISTRIBUTION, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ABOUT 100 MILES. OF WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY BELOW THE NUMBER THAT WE DO. RIGHT? SO BASICALLY STATING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'RE REALLY NOT EVEN TACKLING A LARGE PART OF WHERE WE HAVE A PROBLEM. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE 20% OF IT OVER FIVE YEARS WHILE WE'RE MAINTAINING THE OTHER ONES. SO IT'S REALLY, WE LOOK AT THAT THE MAJOR COMPONENT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ROADS SINKING DOWN INTO THAT LEVEL. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIXING FOUR MILES? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE FOUR MILES FALLING INTO THAT? YOU KNOW, ARE WE JUST KEEPING UP? AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 100 MILES OUT THERE, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EAT INTO THIS BUDGET? AND. WELL, I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT IS CHIPPING AWAY AT THE BOTTOM ONES AND PREVENTING ONES FROM FALLING IN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT THAT CRITICAL ANALYSIS. I'D HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER ON THOSE NUMBERS. EXACTLY ON THAT. YEAH. 
          MORE ROADS COMING IN. YOU YOU WILL YOU WILL ON THAT. BUT WHAT FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS IF YOU CAN CONTROL THE ONES ON THE LOWER ENDS OF ALL THOSE RANGES, EVENTUALLY YOU DO START CATCHING UP BECAUSE YOU START BUMPING ONE GUY UP TO 100, AND THEN YOU'LL CATCH UP ON THOSE LITTLE BY LITTLE. OH, THERE WE GO. NO, SOME OF THE LOWER ROAD, LIKE SAN GABRIEL THAT'S ON THE LOWER RANGE, LIKE A COUNTY ROAD TO 70, LIKE A SOUTHWEST. THOSE ARE PLANNED ON CIP. SO MANY OF THOSE WHICH ARE WE SEE REDS. WE HAVE PLANNED ON CIP, SO THOSE. WHICHEVER WE ARE PLANNED ON CIP, WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED ON THIS PLAN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A WASTE OF MONEY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE TEAR APART IN FOR THREE, FIVE OR 4 OR 5 YEARS. SO WE WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT'S NOT 100. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY. I THINK MAJOR PART OF THAT 100 MILE 
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MIGHT BE RONALD REAGAN ALSO, BECAUSE IT'S IT HAS IT'S LONG. SO. AND THAT'S ALSO NOT ON THE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S IT TAKES UP ALL THE MONEY OF THE YEARLY FUNDING. IF WE JUST FOCUS ONLY ON RONALD REAGAN. AND SO WE HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE IT. AND THAT'S WHERE RUBEN HAS RECOMMENDED MAYBE WE LOOK OR MAKE IT A CIP OR SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN TARGET IT WOULD DO A TARGETED WORK ON THOSE KIND OF BAD AREA ROAD. SO ON THE ASIAN MODEL. SO THAT WAS THAT'S DOES THAT INCLUDE PEOPLE DRIVING ON THE ROAD, RIGHT ON YOUR MODEL PERFORMANCE MODELS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE A ROAD THE LAST FOUR YEARS, 43 YEARS EVERY. WELL, LET ME GO RUN BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE MODEL. THAT YOU REALLY START DOING YOUR REPAIRS MORE AROUND THAT 20 YEARS ONCE IT GETS TO 60, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR TARGET DESIGN LIFE. AND THEN BECAUSE NO ONE DOES HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, YOU START SEEING THAT GET FURTHER OUT AS YOU GET MORE DATA POINTS. WE MAY SEE THAT, SEE THAT CURVE CHANGE SOME, BUT I'VE SEEN THIS WHERE IT DETERIORATES DOWN TO TO ZERO. THAT CAN RANGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO ABOUT 40 YEARS WHEN DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH TRAFFIC YOU HAVE ON THAT. MY COLLEAGUE AND I JUST RECENTLY DID LIKE 20 OF THESE OR 20, ALL THESE COMBINATIONS FOR AN AGENCY. AND WE'RE SEEING THAT THE ARTERIALS ARE DROPPING QUICK. AND WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SOIL TYPES AS WELL, BUT THERE IS SOME RANGE IN THERE. THIS IS KIND OF ALL THE NETWORK IS ONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE BASICALLY TWO DATA POINTS. OKAY. AS YOU GET THAT THIRD POINT, IT WILL BE REFINED. AND THEN I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. SO IF WE FOCUS SO WE HAVE THE MILL AND OVERLAY PART. BUT IF WE FOCUS A LITTLE MORE ON THE NEWER ROADS AND DID THE CRACK SEALING THE CLAMP OR CLAM OR WHATEVER, WOULD THAT ACTUALLY MAKE THESE THINGS STAY UP IN THE HIGHER NUMBER OR NEARER TO THE 90 AND REALLY IMPACT WHERE WE'RE AT ON THINGS? OR IS IT LIKE KIND OF REACH A LEVEL WHERE YOU'VE DONE ALL THE STUFF YOU CAN AND IT'S, YOU GOT TO ACTUALLY START WORKING ON THE BOTTOM PART? WELL, WITH THE, WITH THE CRACK SEALING AND THE RECLAMATION, IT REALLY DOESN'T IMPROVE YOUR SCORE TOO MUCH. IT SLOWS, IT SLOWS THE DETERIORATION DOWN. WE HAVE TO MODEL IT BY GIVING A TINY LITTLE BUMP, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE SOFTWARE WORKS. SO YOU GIVE THAT THAT LITTLE BUMP. SO YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE STAYING HIGHER. AND THEN YOU'RE MENTIONING IT CANNOT BE DONE INDEFINITELY. YOU KNOW, THEY WILL DETERIORATE AND YOU DO HAVE TO HIT THOSE LOWER ONES EVENTUALLY. THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO DETERIORATE FASTER THAN YOUR GOOD ONES. SO YOU MAY GET IT. WHERE I'VE SEEN MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS COME AND THEY'LL DECIMATE A WHOLE ROADWAY IN ONE YEAR. AND YOU THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU CAN YOU DO A SURVEY AFTERWARDS AND YOU SEND THEM THE BILL. AND I'VE SEEN AGENCIES WIN THAT BEFORE. 
          SO THERE ARE WAYS, IF YOU HAVE THE DATA, YOU CAN PROVE YOU CAN PROVE DAMAGES. ALL RIGHT. PLACE THREE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION AND DEFINITELY PUTTING US IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND OTHER WAYS BY WHICH WE CAN BUILD IN GRADUAL MAINTENANCE. I THINK MY QUESTION REALLY JUST HAD TO DO HAD TO BE AROUND BENCHMARKING. AND PARTICULARLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS SLIDE 22 THAT YOU HAD OR 21 IT MIGHT BE. 21 THE SCENARIO COMPARISON. YES. SO YOU TALK YOU SPOKE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HADN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING SINCE IT WAS LIKE 2122 IN TERMS OF ANY OF THE ASSESSMENTS. SO WE HAD KIND OF A GAP UNTIL NOW IN THIS ASSESSMENT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CRITERIA FOR BENCHMARKING IN TERMS OF OUR COST COMPARISON ON THIS DATA? CAN YOU WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BENCHMARKING. CAN YOU CLARIFY PLEASE. SO YOU YOU MENTIONED I THINK THAT GEORGETOWN MIGHT BE THE COMPARISON. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT SAYING GROWTH RATE SAME AMOUNT OF ROADS. WHAT IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BENCHMARKING CRITERIA THAT WE'RE COMPARING OUR SUCCESS OR LACK THEREOF? TO BE HONEST, YOU BOTH HAVE VERY SIMILAR ROAD CONDITIONS. THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN THE 80S, I THINK LOW 80S, AND THEY'VE MAINTAINED THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE. SO THAT GIVES GIVES ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE TYPES OF TREATMENTS WE RECOMMEND. FOR THAT. YOU ARE VERY COMPARABLE CONDITION AND YOU BOTH ARE HAVING A LOT OF GROWTH. GEORGETOWN IS I CAN'T THEY THEY GREW LIKE LIKE 25% LANE MILE ROAD BEDS. OH, WOW. 
          YEAH. SO AND THAT WAS JUST BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. SO THIS IS AN EXPLOSION. I WENT 
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AND LOOKED UP ALL THE CITIES IN THE AREA. ALL THESE LITTLE AREAS AROUND AUSTIN ARE GROWING VERY QUICK. SO A LOT OF THAT HELPS KEEP YOUR SCORES UP. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE THOSE ONES THAT WERE LIKE SIN CITY. WHEN I FIRST SURVEYED THAT, IT WAS BRAND NEW. IT'S 20 YEARS LATER NOW, 21 YEARS LATER. SO THOSE ROADS ARE STARTING TO GET WHERE THEY NEED SOMETHING MORE. BUT THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE THE MAINTENANCE THERE WHERE A LOT OF THOSE ROADS HAVE STAYED UP ON THAT. SO AND THAT GO AHEAD. SO IS OUR PCI TARGET 85 IN YOUR OPINION? I WOULD SAY KEEP 85 IS GOOD FOR A TARGET AS YOU DO START TO GET OLDER, ROADS THAT MAY SHIFT OVER TIME AND FUNDING AFFECTS WHAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN AS A TARGET. IF YOU'RE OVERLY AMBITIOUS, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO REACH IT. SO YOU HAVE TO SET SOMETHING THAT IS ACHIEVABLE. OTHERWISE YOU WILL FRUSTRATE YOURSELF TRYING TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK AWESOME. AND I DO SEE THAT WITH THIS SCENARIO COMPARISON, BASED OFF OF THE PROJECTED BUDGET WE HAVE AND LOOKING AT WHERE OUR BASELINE WOULD BE FOR SUCCESS, WHICH IS 3.3, IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE REALLY WOULDN'T SEE A LOT OF THE IMPACT UNTIL AFTER 2029. BASED ON THIS, IF WE STAYED ON THE SAME TRAJECTORY, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE START TO DEVIATE. OKAY. BUT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT AND YOURS AS WELL, WE HAVEN'T FULLY THOUGHT ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION OR CIP PROJECTS. AND SO AND WITH THE ELEVATION ALSO AND STAFF, WE'RE PROBABLY KIND OF CLOSE THAT GAP A LITTLE BIT. IT WOULD HELP CLOSE THE GAP. OKAY, AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION, PLEASE, FOR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LOVE ASSET MANAGEMENT. COULD YOU TELL ME WHEN THE DATA WAS COLLECTED ON THE ROADS? IT WAS COLLECTED. MOST OF IT WAS JULY, AUGUST LAST YEAR. AND THEN WE HAD SOME CLEANUP. WE DID TOWARDS THE END OF 2025. AND THE THE DETERIORATION FROM THEN WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE MODELS BECAUSE THE DATES WERE SHIFTED ACTUALLY. SO THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE MODELING TOOLS IS THAT COULD ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDITIONAL MILES AS WELL. 
          IT COULD. SO WE COULD GO OUT TO A ROAD THAT MAYBE WE THOUGHT WOULD DETERIORATE SOME, BUT MAYBE IT DIDN'T AS MUCH. USUALLY YOU'RE TALKING NOISE IN THE DATA. AND THIS, YOU KNOW, SHORT OUT IF IT WAS 4 OR 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. THAT IS REALLY NOT NOISE. OKAY. AND THEN YOU SAID WE DID THIS IN 2020 AND WE DID IT IN 2021, AND NOW WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN. BUT THEN YOU ALSO SAID LIKE, WHEN WE DO IT NEXT YEAR, SO IS IT THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DO EVERY FIVE YEARS, EVERY AS NEEDED EVERY YEAR? BECAUSE I KNOW WE DID IT AFTER THE FREEZE JUST BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE. SO IS THAT OUR NEW SCHEDULE NOW OR DEPENDING ON OUR GROWTH, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND HAVING IT DONE MORE OFTEN? I USUALLY RECOMMEND ABOUT A 2 TO 5 YEAR CYCLE. THREE IS PRETTY HEALTHY FOR AN AGENCY OUR SIZE. DOING IT EVERY YEAR IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BENEFIT OUT OF THAT. THE ONLY AGENCIES I REALLY SEE DO THAT IS THEY HAVE TO, FOR FUNDING REASONS, WHERE THEY CAN ONLY FUND A SURVEY ON THE THIRD OF THE NETWORK AT A TIME. SO IT TAKES THEM THREE YEARS TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. THAT GETS FUNNY WHEN YOU'RE MODELING STUFF, HAVING A DATA SET THAT WAS COLLECTED AROUND THE SAME TIME AND THE NEXT BUNCH THAT'S TOGETHER MAKES IT A LOT EASIER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. WHEN YOU'RE DOING MODELING, THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. PLEASE. FIVE. 
          AGAIN. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THIS. IT WAS IT WAS GOOD INFORMATION. HE KIND OF CLEARED UP A FEW THINGS FOR ME ON THE ORIGINAL READ, BUT I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS AND I'M ASSUMING. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT WITHIN THAT CONDITIONING METRIC THAT YOU'RE USING, YOU'RE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT TRAFFIC LIKE TRAVELED ON THESE ROADS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT INDUCED DEMAND, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE NEW ROADS ARE APPEARING, WHERE THEY WEREN'T THERE BEFORE, AND NOW PEOPLE ARE FINDING DIFFERENT ROUTES THROUGH THE CITY? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CALCULATES THAT OR IS THAT CONSIDERED IT IN ANY OF THESE ANALYZES AS AN OVERLAY OR OR DIRECTLY? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS CONSIDERED UNLESS THERE WAS INPUT FROM THE CITY ON ROADS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY GAVE US SOME ROADS, THEY MAKE SURE YOU INCLUDE THIS ONE AND THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T THE REASON THAT CAN BE DONE IN, IN WITH CERTAIN MODELING TOOLS. I THINK WE FOCUS MORE ON THE PAVEMENT CONDITION. WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE LEVEL OF SERVICE OR IMPORTANT ROUTE. IT COULD BE A HIGH PROFILE ROUTE THAT, OKAY, I HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD FOR THIS ROUTE THAN THE GUY THAT RUNS PARALLEL, BECAUSE THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERYONE CUTS THROUGH TO TAKE THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE. SO WE HAVE HAD SOME CLIENTS THAT HAVE GIVEN US THAT FEEDBACK AND SAID, 
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PUT THIS ONE ON BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THEY DRIVE ON FRIDAY NIGHT WITH THE FOOTBALL GAME. 
          SO WE HAD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT. NOW, CAN WE MODEL MORE EXPANSIVE DECISION TREES LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC THIS TIME. OKAY, WELL, GIVE US THE TRAFFIC DATA AND THEN WE'LL GET WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MULTI-INDEX ANALYSIS AT THAT POINT. OKAY, SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED. IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THIS STUDY, IN THIS PARTICULAR STUDY. SO AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE DID HERE. YOUR STUDY WAS STRICTLY FOCUSED ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS AS THEY ARE TODAY, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY KIND OF TRAFFICKING OR INDUCED DEMAND OR NEW CORRIDORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY COMPARED TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2021. IS THAT FAIR? THAT IS FAIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, OKAY. CITY MANAGER, IS THERE AN OPTION TO ADD IN THAT TYPE OF OVERLAY? MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS THE NEWER ROADS THAT WE'RE ADDING HERE AWAY. 2243 YOU KNOW, AS WE START TO ADDRESS THOSE, ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE INCREASED DEMAND? AGAIN, THAT'S AN INDUCED DEMAND ISSUE. AS SOON AS THOSE ROADS BECOME AVAILABLE, PEOPLE START TO TRAFFIC THEM. AND IF WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AS PART OF OUR MAINTENANCE PROCESS, IS IT PLAUSIBLE. CAN WE ADD THAT? AND AND ARE WE BUDGETING FOR THAT? OR IS THAT MORE OF A CIP TYPE ISSUE? WELL, I THINK THAT'S AN ANALYTICAL QUESTION. SO I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THE EXPERT. 
          OKAY. WE HAVE NOT ON IT. LIKE WHEN WHEN WE CALCULATE THE MODEL, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT MODEL. BUT WHEN WE SELECTED THE RECOMMENDATION LIKE MAINTENANCE PLAN, WE PRIORITIZE THOSE ROADS. 
          LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, WE HAVE PRIORITIZED OUR MAJOR ROAD OVERLAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MAJOR CONCERN ARISES BECAUSE THOSE ARE HIGHER VOLUME TRAFFIC. WE HAVE FOCUSED ON CRYSTAL FALLS BECAUSE WE PRETTY MUCH DONE THE LAKE LINE LAST THREE YEARS. WE'VE DONE THE BAGHDAD ROAD AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO WE DID CRYSTAL FALLS. SO IN THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN, WE ARE TRYING TO GATHER CRYSTAL FALLS, ALL THE MAJOR ARTERIAL. IT HAS NOT BEEN MODAL ON IT, BUT WHEN WE WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM, HEY, THESE ARE THE MAJOR ROAD. WE SEE HIGHER VOLUME HERE AND WE SEE WHEN WE DRIVE THERE, THERE IS A TRUCK PARKING. THESE ROADS ARE FAILING. IF WE DON'T DO AN OVERLAY. AND ON THESE ROADS, WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING AN OVERLAY BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE THEM LAST LONG. SO IN A SENSE, WE HAVE PROVIDED INPUT IN THE DEVELOPING THE HIGH MAINTENANCE PLAN. TARGETING THE HIGH VOLUME AREA OR HIGH IMPORTANT AREA TO MAKE SURE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE CITIZEN FEELS THE IMPACT OF THE SAFETY AND EVERYTHING. SO WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ON THE MODEL. AND LIKE REUBEN SAID, LOOKS LIKE IT CAN BE DONE, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT WILL CHANGE THE MODEL. AT THIS POINT. 
          I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MODELING PER SE, AS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, AND UNLESS I'M WRONG, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. OKAY, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE ESTIMATING WHAT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE WOULD REQUIRE BASED ON OUR PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. RIGHT. BUT THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I CAN TELL SO FAR, ANY INCREASE IN THOSE TRAFFIC LEVELS. AND IF WE'VE DONE TRAFFIC STUDIES, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE, IT SEEMS TO ME TO MAKE SENSE TO OVERLAY THOSE TWO STUDIES TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES IN THOSE INDICATORS. THERE COULD NOT BE, PERHAPS, BUT THERE COULD BE. AND IT MIGHT CHANGE THE ORDER IN WHICH WE ACTUALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE MAINTENANCE AREAS. BECAUSE AGAIN, I LOOKED AT THIS JUST REALLY KIND OF AND I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, I'M NOT TRYING TO PRETEND TO BE ONE. 
          BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I NOTED THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OUTWARD IN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ROADS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT. AND OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE KIND OF COME INTO THE CENTER TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE CUMULATIVE MILEAGE. RIGHT? BUT AGAIN, IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING, WELL, WE'RE ADDING ROADS, RIGHT? WE'RE INCREASING TRAFFIC. POPULATION CONTINUES TO INCREASE, RIGHT? WE HAVE CONSISTENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPOSITIONS IN FRONT OF US, EVEN IN THE LAST YEAR. YOU KNOW, I THINK OF AT LEAST TEN. SO THAT THAT ALL IS INDUCED DEMAND THAT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF CARS ON THE ROAD, THAT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF HEAVY TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS, SPECIFICALLY AS AREAS GO INTO DEVELOPMENT. WE TOUCHED ON THAT. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT IS IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME TOO. I'M JUST IT MAKES SENSE. AND SOME OF THE ROAD THAT MAY NOT BE HIGHLIGHTED, LIKE I SAID, IT MIGHT BE PART OF A CIP. WE CAN WE HAVE A LIST OF THE. AND THAT'S LIKE A HERO WAY. COUNTY ROAD 270. THOSE ARE THE AREA WHICH IS GETTING THE HIGHER TRAFFIC. AND THOSE ARE GETTING RECONSTRUCTED. AND LIKE A COUNTY, SAN GABRIEL ROAD THAT'S 
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ON THE RED LINE AND THAT'S GOING TO GET HIGHER TRAFFIC THAT'S ALSO GETTING RECONSTRUCTED. WE ARE EXTENDING OUR CRYSTAL FALLS. SO THERE ARE BIGGER PROJECTS. THAT'S THAT HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR A INCREASED TRAFFIC WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S HAS BEEN MOST MANY OF THEM HAS BEEN INCORPORATED IN CIP. BUT IS IT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT? YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE A WHAT HOW THIS WOULD CHANGE IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SHOWED THIS DECISION TREE HERE, KIND OF YOU HAVE YOUR CONDITION RANGES AND THAT YOU START GETTING A 3D CHART OR A 2D CHART. SO THIS BECOMES A BOX. FIRST, SAY IF I'M ADD TRAFFIC. NOW I GOT TWO THINGS DRIVING MY DECISIONS. OKAY. IF I WANT TO ADD A DIFFERENT MATRIX NOW YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, A CUBE AND THEN I CAN'T DO A FOUR DIMENSIONAL ONE, BUT YOU CAN LAYER AND KEEP ADDING A MORE OF A BRANCHING TREE. WELL, OKAY, IF IT'S ARTERIALS OR MAJOR DEMAND, FOLLOW THIS PATH AND THIS PRIORITY AND YOU CAN GO DOWN AND HAVE A MORE ROBUST. SO IT CAN'T BE DONE. SOME SOFTWARES DO IT DIRECTLY. OTHER ONES YOU HAVE TO MASSAGE THE OUTPUTS WHEN ONCE THEY'RE OUT, DO YOU USE A SPREADSHEET OR SOME OTHER TOOL. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. SO IT'S PLAUSIBLE FOR US TO ADD THAT. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT WE DO THAT IN THE SHORT TERM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SOME PROJECTIONS INTO 27, NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT CHANGING WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. BUT IF WE START TO DO THAT TYPE OF OVERLAY, I'M I'M ASSUMING WE CAN GET A BETTER HANDLE OF WHERE WE NEED TO DO THESE MAINTENANCE AREAS. AND IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY CORRELATE WITH WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TODAY BASED ON JUST USAGE, JUST THE CONDITIONS. IF I CAN KIND OF GIVE YOU A TWO SENTENCE ON THIS. SO WE STEP BACK EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS, WE DO AN ANALYSIS. WE'RE DRIVING EVERY SINGLE ROAD. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE CONDITIONS. THAT 2D MAP POPS UP AND WE CAN SEE CLEARLY WHERE WE HAVE AREAS OF CONCENTRATED FAILURE, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE OLDER AREAS WHICH ARE NATURALLY GOING TO BE AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HEAVIER AND CHANGING TRAFFIC DYNAMICS. WE'VE ALSO GOT OUR MAIN ROADWAYS, WHICH WE KNOW ARE FAILING, WHICH PROBABLY GOING TO CIP, BECAUSE THOSE ARE RECONSTRUCTION, EITHER PARTIAL OR FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION OR WIDENING. SAN GABRIEL IS A PRIME EXAMPLE AS WE'RE ADDING SECTIONS AND WIDENING WITH LANES AND MAKING THOSE NEW LINKAGES. SO YOU REALLY BEGIN TO CRYSTALLIZE. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS BEGIN TO HAVE ROADWAY SECTIONS ALL OVER THE CITY WHERE CONTRACTORS ARE MOVING BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING EFFICIENCY AND WE'RE BURNING A LOT OF DOLLARS FOR REMOBILIZATION. SO REALLY CONCENTRATING IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE GREATEST DEGREES OF FAILURE. SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THOSE ANALYTICS MAY BE MORE PREDICTIVE. WE THINK THESE AREAS ARE GOING TO BEGIN TO FAIL LATER. BUT WE KIND OF ANECDOTALLY KNOW WE KNOW WHAT NEWER AREAS WE HAVE. WHAT AREAS ARE STILL POTENTIALLY UNDER WARRANTY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PICTURE BEGINS TO CRYSTALLIZE WHERE WE HAD THOSE AREAS THAT NEED THAT ATTENTION. 
          AND THEN TO THAT POINT, TO MR. HERRERA'S POINT EARLIER, BY DOING THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE, THE, THE, THE REGULAR REGULAR PROCESS THAT DEGRADES THE DEGREE TO WHICH OUR ROADS ARE FAILING OR DEGRADING, THEN WE'RE NIBBLING AWAY AT THOSE FAILED SECTIONS AND GOING BACK INTO THAT. SO I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE, THE ANALYTICS THAT WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY KIND OF GET US TO THAT POINT. AND WE WE'VE GOT OUR SUBJECTIVE COMPONENTS THAT ROLL INTO THAT PROCESS. SO THE ADDITION OF ANY KIND OF. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE DONE THEM CONCURRENTLY, FROM WHAT I CAN RECALL, LOOKING AT THOSE TWO DATA SETS TOGETHER, YOU FEEL DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADD TO OUR ABILITY TO PREDICT THAT OR I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR SYSTEM IS NOT SO HUGE THAT WE, WE CAN'T KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF KNOW AND LOOK AT IT AND, YOU KNOW, AND AS WE RUN THESE MODELS NOW GOING ON TO TEN YEARS AND INTO 15 YEARS, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEEL FOR OUR SYSTEM TOO. SO I THINK WE KIND OF KNOW THAT. OKAY. AND I THINK WE'LL SEE THAT. AND AS WE DEVELOP OUR CIP, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KIND OF GO. SO SO I THINK WE'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE MISSING THAT DATA SET. 
          AND IT'S NOT A GLARING HOLE IN TERMS OF MANAGING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH IT. BUT I THINK LOOKING FORWARD INTO IT, KNOWING THAT THOSE ANALYTICAL PIECES ARE THERE, SHOULD WE DECIDE, HEY, WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO HELP US BETTER MANAGE THIS. I THINK THAT'LL KIND OF CLARIFY. AND AS WE LOOK INTO THOSE NEXT STUDIES, THEN WE CAN BEGIN TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK. COUNCIL, THE TIME IS 654 AND WE'LL ADJOURN OUR BRIEFING WORKSHOP. PLEASE BE BACK 
          [4. Open Meeting, Invocation and Pledges of Allegiance.]
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 16TH, 2026 AND THE TIME IS 7:01 P.M. AND THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LEANDER CITY COUNCIL. MINISTER WENDELL HOLMES WILL COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE OUR INVOCATION TONIGHT. PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. LOOKING GOOD. LOOKING GOOD. AMEN. THE JUST 
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SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. AND OUR FAITH IS FOUND IN THE LIFE AND THE DEATH AND THE RESURRECTION AND THE RETURN OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS. HE IS THE CHRIST. WE THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN TO THE HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT. LET US PRAY. GRACIOUS HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER GRACIOUS DAY. WE THANK YOU FOR THE RAINS. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THE SUNSHINE. WE THANK YOU FOR SAFE TRAVEL. WHO YOU ARE AS CREATOR, PROVIDER, PROTECTOR AND PRESERVER OF LIFE. WE THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE, THAT YOU SIT HIGH AND YOU LOOK LOW AND YOU SEE THE NEEDS OF MAN. WE PRAY, OH GOD, FOR THIS COUNCIL. WE THANK YOU, DEAR LORD, FOR THE RAINS ACROSS THE STATE. WE KNOW THAT IN PLACES THERE ARE TRAGEDY. WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD MOVE EXPEDIENTLY WITH WISDOM UPON THE MINDS OF THOSE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF CITIES AND EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THE POLICE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, EMS. WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE THEM AND LEAD THEM AND GIVE THEM DIRECTION ON HOW TO HANDLE LIFE FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE HURTING, FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE SUFFERING. 
          DEAR LORD, PLEASE USE YOUR GOD SENT PEOPLE TO BRING RESCUE AND DELIVERY. PRAY. I ASK GOD FOR WISDOM TODAY AS CITY COUNCIL MAKES DECISIONS AND THEIR PRESENTATIONS BY OTHERS THAT ARE HERE PRESENT, BOTH FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND THOSE WHO ARE NEARBY WHO ARE WATCHING ONLINE. 
          PRAY YOUR BLESSING UPON THEM. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD AND ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HOLMES. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FIVE. CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL? ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER STEVEN CHANG. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MICHAEL HERRERA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. TOMMY BLAIR. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. ANNETTE SPONSELLER. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW NORDIN HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM BECKY ROSS HERE. MAYOR NICOLE THOMPSON PRESENT. QUORUM IS PRESENT AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS ELIGIBLE TO DO BUSINESS. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM SIX, WHICH IS OUR WELCOME SPECIAL GUESTS AND VISITORS. AND WE JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY WELCOME TO ALL OF OUR ACTIVE AND RETIRED MILITARY THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVICE. HE'S CLAPPING ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVICE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, ALL OF OUR RETIRED TEACHERS AND OUR TEACHERS AND EDUCATORS THAT ARE HERE, BUT ALSO WE WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ELECTED THAT JOINED US TONIGHT. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR VETERANS THAT ARE HERE. WE WOULD LIKE TO STAND AND GIVE YOU A PROPER WELCOME. THANK YOU ALL. AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 
          [7. Public comments on items not listed in the agenda.
Public comments on items listed in the agenda will be heard at the time each item is discussed.
[All comments are limited to no more than 3 minutes (6 minutes if translation is needed) per individual.]]
SEVEN, OUR NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. I'LL CALL ON SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THAT AGENDA ITEM AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR COMMENTS VIA THE WEBSITE WILL ONLY HAVE THEIR POSITIONS READ INTO THE RECORD. ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH COUNCIL AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD. WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY, ACTUALLY TWO ANITA CHUMANEVICH. IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD AND HAVE YOUR COMMENTS, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ANITA 708 PALOMAR DRIVE BEFORE THE LANDER SPRINGS DEVELOPMENT APPEARS ON THE AUGUST 6TH AGENDA. I WANTED TO SHARE A FEW MORE THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT I THINK ARE WORTH HEARING BEFORE THAT VOTE. I WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING I'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY FROM RESIDENTS THAT I THINK EXPLAINS WHERE A LOT OF THIS COMMUNITY IS COMING FROM, NOT JUST ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT ABOUT DENSITY IN GENERAL. OLEANDER RESIDENT NAMED KAREN ROBERTSON SUBMITTED A WRITTEN COMMENT ON THE LANDER SPRINGS PROPOSAL. SHE WROTE. 
          THE DEVELOPER HAS SAID THAT IT WOULD. THE PROJECT WOULD PUT LEANDER ON THE MAP. SHE CONTINUES, SAYING. HOWEVER, IN SPEAKING WITH MANY RESIDENTS OF OUR BELOVED CITY, WE DID NOT MOVE TO LEANDER TO BE PUT ON A MAP. WE MOVED HERE TO ENJOY QUIET, PEACEFUL LIVING, SURROUNDED BY A MODEST AMOUNT OF AMENITIES BUT NOT OVERRUN BY THEM. I'VE HEARD THAT SENTIMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY, AND I THINK IT EXPLAINS SOMETHING IMPORTANT. THE PUSHBACK WE ARE SEEING ON DENSITY ISN'T JUST ABOUT TRAFFIC OR WATER DATA, 
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IT'S ABOUT IDENTITY. PEOPLE CHOSE LEANDER DELIBERATELY. THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE CHOOSING. AND EVERY TIME A PROJECT COMES FORWARD PROMISING TO PUT US ON A MAP, WHAT A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE IS THAT THIS CITY THAT THEY CHOSE IS BEING REPLACED BY SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR, AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT GROWTH ARE APPARENT AND A BIT ALARMING. 
          TINA RITTER, A 25 YEAR RESIDENT OF OVERLOOK ESTATES, TESTIFIED ON JUNE 25TH AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING THAT HORIZON PARK BOULEVARD, THE ROAD THAT SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, ALREADY CARRIES FAR MORE TRAFFIC THAN IT WAS BUILT TO HANDLE. THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ALONG PORTIONS OF IT. PEDESTRIAN CYCLISTS SHARE THE ROADWAY WITH CARS, ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S OWN TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. IT IS LABELED AS A SUBSTANDARD STREET IN NEED OF WIDENING WITH NO SCHEDULED COMPLETION DATE, AND THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN AT LEAST ONE DEATH ON THAT ROAD. THAT ROAD EXISTS TODAY BEFORE ONE SHOVEL OF DIRT IS TURNED ON LEANDER SPRINGS, BEFORE ONE APARTMENT OF 1200 IS BUILT, BEFORE ONE EVENT IS HELD AT A CONVENTION CENTER AND BEFORE THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT A DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SCALE WOULD BRING TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ADDS TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. KAREN ROBERTSON AND TINA RITTER AREN'T OPPOSING GROWTH OUT OF FEAR. THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING HERE DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED AND VALUED. AND I'D ARGUE THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUTTING LANDER ON ANY MAP. AND I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE'RE SITTING WITH BEFORE AUGUST 6TH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND NEXT, WE HAVE MARK BUFFERING. IF YOU'D COME FORWARD, SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THREE, THREE, THREE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARK BOFFERDING. 2601 SADDLE BLANKET PLACE IN LEANDER. GOOD EVENING. I WAS RECENTLY MADE AWARE THAT JURY DUTY PAY FOR LEANDER MUNICIPAL COURT IS A MERE $6 PER DAY. YOU. LEANDER CITY COUNCIL GETS TO SET THIS PAY AND IT'S BEEN SET AT THIS AMOUNT SINCE AT LEAST 2008. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CPI INFLATION CALCULATION, THAT 2008 AMOUNT SHOULD BE AT LEAST $9.50. INDEED, THE CEDAR PARK MUNICIPAL COURT PAYS THEIR JURORS $10. SO TODAY I'M ASKING YOU TO INCREASE THAT JURY PAY TO THE $10 AMOUNT. AND WHILE I THINK OF IT, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, I'M HOPING YOU'LL WORK ON THE EXEMPTIONS FOR HOMESTEAD SENIORS OVER 65 AND DISABLED FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION. 
          SO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT RECOGNITION 
          [8. Recognitions/Proclamations/Visitors.Certificate of Recognition High Tech Gym for Small Team first place finish at the American Gymnastics Association State Meet.]
AND PROCLAMATIONS. WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION FOR HIGH TECH GYM FOR SMALL TEAM, FIRST PLACE FINISH IN THE AMERICAN GYMNASTICS ASSOCIATION STATE MEET. I KNOW THE COACH IS NOT WITH US TODAY, BUT THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD WITH THE TEAM. 
          COME ON UP. DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR GROUP AND AND WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED. OKAY. YOU GOT IT. WE'LL DO TOGETHER. WELL, GOOD. 
          OKAY. OKAY. SAY YOUR NAME, THE NAME OF THE GROUP AND WHAT Y'ALL ACCOMPLISH. I'M CHEYENNE, AND THIS IS AUDREY. ABBY, DYLAN AND JANE. HI. TECH. GYMNASTICS. SORRY. WHAT DID YOU WIN? OH, WE WON THE STATE COMPETITION FOR 2026 IN CLEBURNE, TEXAS AT CLEBURNE, TEXAS. EXCELLENT. AND I SEE THAT GINORMOUS, HUGE TROPHY. WHO GETS TO KEEP THAT AT THEIR HOUSE? NOBODY. OH. GYM. 
          SCHOOL. OKAY. THE GYM. WELL, WE DO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF COMMENDATION FOR YOU GUYS THAT I'D LIKE TO READ. AND THEN AFTER WE READ IT, COUNCIL WILL COME DOWN AND TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU AND YOUR LOVELY TROPHY. HOW ABOUT THAT? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. LET IT BE KNOWN THAT HIGH TECH GIRLS GYMNASTICS TEAM IS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF LEANDER, TEXAS FOR YOUR FIRST PLACE FINISH AT THE AMERICAN GYMNASTICS ASSOCIATION STATE MEET. YOUR DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE WAS UNRIVALED, UNWAVERING IN THE FACE OF TOUGH COMPETITION. WE APPLAUD ALL THE COACHES, ATHLETES AND EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS EXTRAORDINARY ACCOMPLISHMENT. THIS CERTIFICATE IS ISSUED IN RECOGNITION THEREOF ON THIS DAY, JULY 16TH, 2026. EXCELLENT. IS ANYBODY GOING TO SHOW US A MOVE BEFORE WE KNOW? OKAY, I'M JUST 
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I'M I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING. WELL COME DOWN. OVER HERE. YOU UP HERE? THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. WHY DID YOU. OH. 
          THANK YOU LADIES AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE TO OUR 
          [ CONSENT AGENDA: ACTION]
CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 14. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ITEM 23 OUT OF ORDER. SINCE WE HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR VERY VIP GUESTS HERE TONIGHT. 
          [23. Discuss and consider action on a Resolution designating the City of Leander as a Purple Heart City and authorizing participation in the Military Order of the Purple Heart Purple Heart City Program in recognition of the service and sacrifice of Purple Heart recipients and all members of the United States Armed Forces.]
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 23. ITEM 23, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE CITY OF LEANDER AS A PURPLE HEART CITY AND AUTHORIZING PETITION PARTICIPATION IN THE MILITARY ORDER OF THE PURPLE HEART PURPLE HEART CITY PROGRAM IN RECOGNITION OF SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES COUNCIL MEMBER ANNETTE SPONSELLER, WE WILL TURN THIS OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. I'M HONORED TO BRING FORWARD THIS ITEM TONIGHT TO CONSIDER. DESIGNATED THE CITY OF LEANDER AS A PURPLE HEART CITY, THE PURPLE HEART IS ONE OF OUR NATION'S OLDEST AND MOST RESPECTED MILITARY HONORS. IT'S AWARDED TO MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED OR KILLED AS A RESULT OF ENEMY ACTION WHILE SERVING OUR COUNTRY. BEHIND EVERY PURPLE HEART IS A STORY OF COURAGE, SACRIFICE, RESILIENCE, AND A COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING THE FREEDOMS WE ALL ENJOY BY BECOMING A PURPLE HEART CITY, LEANDER IS JOINING COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION, RECOGNIZING AND HONORING THESE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN, AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILIES WHO'VE CARRIED THE WEIGHT OF THOSE SACRIFICES ALONGSIDE THEM. I BELIEVE THIS DESIGNATION REFLECTS WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. WE'RE HOME TO MANY WHO HAVE SERVED, MANY WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE, AND MANY FAMILIES WHO UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND THE COMMITMENT AND SACRIFICE THAT COMES WITH MILITARY SERVICE. THIS WOULD BE MORE THAN A TITLE OR A SIGN AT THE CITY LIMITS. IT'S A COMMITMENT TO REMEMBER. IT'S A COMMITMENT TO HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH. AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE FUTURE GENERATIONS ABOUT THE COST OF THE FREEDOMS WE OFTEN TAKE FOR GRANTED. WE DO HAVE. I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO LISA. LISA DAYHOFF IS THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS DESIGNATION FOR FOR LEANDER. I ACTUALLY SEEN STEVE WITZKE AT THE CHAMBER GOLF OUTING, AND I'M GUESSING IT WAS RIGHT AFTER A MEETING THAT HE HAD HAD WITH LISA. AND HE'S LIKE, WHY AREN'T WE A PURPLE HEART CITY? AND I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN BE SO SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK OR IF YOU'RE JUST HERE IN SUPPORT. WE CAN LISA SPEAK. ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? I DON'T DO THAT. 
          SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS COME ON FORWARD AND DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET A CARD FILLED OUT. WE TYPICALLY DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT COME ON BOARD. 
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APOLOGIZE. NO, NO, NO APOLOGY NEEDED. SO I AM HERE WITH WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE MILITARY, THE PURPLE HEART, WHO WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE VFW. 1047 GILBERT VICKERS. WE HAVE VFW POST MEMBERS. WE HAVE AMERICAN LEGION POST MEMBERS. AND WE HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MILITARY ORDER OF THE CODY THAT IS ALSO HERE IN LEANDER. AND THEY HAVE ALL HAD SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS TO THE ONE THAT I'M ABOUT TO READ TO YOU. WHEREAS THE AMERICAN LEGION, THE NATION'S LARGEST WARTIME VETERANS ORGANIZATION, IS DEDICATED TO HONORING THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF ALL MILITARY PERSONNEL WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY. AND WHEREAS, THE PURPLE HEART IS THE OLDEST MILITARY DECORATION IN PRESENT USE, ESTABLISHED BY GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON ON AUGUST 7TH, 1782, AND IS AWARDED TO SERVICE MEMBERS WHO ARE WOUNDED OR KILLED IN COMBAT WITH HOSTILE FORCES. AND WHEREAS, THE PURPLE HEART MEDAL IS A SOLEMN DISTINCTION THAT RECOGNIZES THOSE WHO HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE AND WERE KILLED IN ACTION, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO WERE WOUNDED IN DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          AND WHEREAS, THE MILITARY ORDER OF THE PURPLE HEART ENCOURAGES MUNICIPALITIES TO SHOW APPRECIATION FOR THE SACRIFICES OF COMBAT WOUNDED AND FALLEN VETERANS BY OFFICIALLY DESIGNATING ITSELF AS PURPLE HEART CITY. EXCUSE ME. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF LEANDER IS HOME TO MANY PATRIOTIC CITIZENS, VETERANS, AND RECIPIENTS OF THE PURPLE HEART MEDAL, INCLUDING THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN SERVICE, WHO HAVE SACRIFICED IN DEFENSE OF OUR NATION. AND WHEREAS, THE PURPLE HEART CITY DESIGNATION PLEDGES TO HONOR THESE RECIPIENTS AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON THE VALOR AND COST OF FREEDOM. AND WHEREAS, ROBERT J. BECK, POST 328, LEANDER, TEXAS, DESIRES TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS TO ENSURE OUR VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE NOT FORGOTTEN AND ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR SACRIFICES. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY ROBERT J. BECK, POST 328 LEANDER, TEXAS, OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TEXAS, IN REGULAR MEETING ASSEMBLED ON THIS FOURTH DAY OF MAY 2026. THAT THIS POST OFFICIALLY SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS TO HAVE THE CITY OF LEANDER, TEXAS DESIGNATED AS A PURPLE HEART CITY AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THIS POST CALLS UPON LEANDER CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT A PROCLAMATION DESIGNATED DESIGNATING OUR CITY AS A PURPLE HEART CITY AND BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION BE PRESENTED TO THE LOCAL OFFICIALS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEMONSTRATE THE COMMITMENT OF THE AMERICAN LEGION TO OUR COMBAT. WOUNDED AND FALLEN VETERANS PASSED AND ADOPTED THIS FOURTH DAY OF MAY 2026, SIGNED LISA DAYHOFF, COMMANDER. DAVID DECKER, ADJUTANT. THANK YOU. YOU GOT IT IN RIGHT IN TIME FOR THE FINAL BUZZER WENT OFF. YES. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. AND I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I THINK AFTER THE MEETING WE HAD BEFORE JULY 4TH, I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL WAS IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. CAN YOU SHARE COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THIS DESIGNATION? DESIGNATION? SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. ACTUALLY, OUR PURPLE HEART REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. IF HE WANTS TO COME UP AND. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP, IT'S OKAY. NO, WE'LL WAIT FOR AFTER AFTER WE APPLY. YEAH, WE WILL HAVE A PROCLAMATION. WE'LL PUT UP SOME SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. LISA AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN DISCUSSING FUNDRAISING FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AT DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE THOSE. AND SO WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON THE PROCESS? WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP DISCUSSING CONSIDERING. AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, WE'LL START MOVING FORWARD. IT SHOULD BE VERY QUICKLY. THE NATIONAL PURPLE MILITARY ORDER OF THE PURPLE HEART DAY IS AUGUST 7TH OF THIS YEAR. SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT, BUT MAYBE SHORTLY THEREAFTER IF WE COULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT PROCLAMATION READY TO DESIGNATE US AS A PURPLE HEART CITY. ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THE THE REST SHOWING, PROVING THAT WE HAVE THE PROCLAMATION THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO BEING A PURPLE HEART CITY. AND THEN THEY GIVE US SOME SIGNS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH MIKE TO GET UP, AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS PURCHASE ADDITIONAL SIGNS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, HOWEVER MUCH WE WANT IT REPRESENTED. SO IN TYPICAL, DOES THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, ONCE WE PRESENT THE RESOLUTION AND PROCLAMATION, TAKE SIX MONTHS A YEAR? OH, NO. LIKE A MONTH, A MONTH. OKAY. YEAH, NOT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, A LONG PROCESS LIKE DARK SKIES OR SOMETHING. AND OVER TIME, IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO RENEW EVERY YEAR, OR IS THERE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO AS A CITY? NOPE. WE DON'T HAVE 
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TO RENEW IT EVERY YEAR, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY EXPAND IT EVERY YEAR. IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE MAYBE MORE BUSINESSES OR MAYBE MORE MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS AS THEY COME ONLINE, IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAYBE HAVE A PARKING SPOT FOR PURPLE HEART RECIPIENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 23 AS WRITTEN SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          [14. Approval of a Resolution adopting the State and Federal Legislative Program for the City; directing the City Manager or designee to act with regard to the City's State and Federal Legislative Program; and providing an effective date.]
ALL RIGHT. WE HAD A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR ITEM 14, WHICH WAS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ANITA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK FORWARD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 15. ANITA 708 COLUMBUS DRIVE. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM THAT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO ASK YOU TO ADD ONE PRIORITY TO IT, TO SUPPORT FOR FOR LEGISLATION THAT SECURES STRONG, STABLE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO STEP OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S LANE. I'M ASKING THIS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC EDUCATION ALREADY SITS SQUARELY INSIDE OF IT. LEANDER ISD IS THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN THE CITY, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FOSTERING ECONOMIC GROWTH, SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND PROTECTING QUALITY OF LIFE, THE DISTRICT IS CENTRAL TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE GOALS. A WELL-FUNDED SCHOOL DISTRICT IS A WORKFORCE, AN ECONOMIC ANCHOR, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS FAMILIES CHOOSE TO MOVE HERE AND STAY. THE PROGRAM ALREADY COMMITS THE CITY TO ADVOCATE FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING, FUNDING, RESOURCES AND NEEDS. PUBLIC EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THOSE NEEDS, AND ONE OF THE FEW ISSUES WHERE LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS LAND DIRECTLY ON LEANDER FAMILIES AND LEANDER ECONOMY. PLEASE PUT PUBLIC EDUCATION ON THAT LIST AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN LEANDER GOES TO AUSTIN, WE GO TO BAT FOR OUR SCHOOLS AND THE FUNDING THEY DEPEND ON. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 15. I THINK YOU 
          [15. Discuss and consider action on the appointment of a Charter Review Committee pursuant to Section 13.08. Charter Review of the Leander City Charter.]
HAVE A CARD FOR ITEM 15 AS WELL. ITEM 15 IS DISCUSSING. CONSIDER ACTION ON THE APPOINTMENT OF A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 13.08 CHARTER REVIEW OF THE LEANDER CITY CHARTER. AND THEN WE HAVE YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. YES. PLEASE COME BACK FOR IT. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR DELIBERATION. OKAY. YOU GUYS SEE ME UP HERE OFTEN, BUT TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR MYSELF. I LOVE LIVING IN LEANDER. I LIVED IN A LOT OF PLACES, AND ASIDE FROM WIESBADEN, GERMANY, THIS IS THE SAFEST CITY I'VE EVER CALLED HOME. AND THAT'S NOT A SMALL THING. IT'S PART OF WHY I'M SO INVESTED HERE AND WHY I WANT THE CHANCE TO SERVE THE CITY THAT'S GIVEN MY FAMILY THAT THE CHARTER IS OUR CITY'S CONSTITUTION. IT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT DEFINES HOW LEANDER GOVERNS ITSELF, HOW DECISIONS GET MADE, HOW POWER IS HELD, AND HOW EACH OF YOU ANSWERS TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED YOU. 
          THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS CITY MORE IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE MOST OPEN AND DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AVAILABLE, ONE WHERE ANY RESIDENT WHO CARES ABOUT THE CITY CAN APPLY AND BE CONSIDERED ON EQUAL FOOTING. THE CITY ALREADY HAS AN APPLICATION PROCESS, BUT AS FAR AS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TELL, NONE OF THE NAMES CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED CAME THROUGH IT. I DON'T RAISE THAT TO QUESTION ANYONE'S QUALIFICATIONS. I RAISE IT BECAUSE THE PROCESS WE ALREADY HAVE IS THE FAIREST ONE AVAILABLE, AND IT WASN'T USED. THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE UNDERNEATH THAT. MOST RESIDENTS DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. MANY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS, WHAT IT DOES, OR THAT THERE'S A WAY TO APPLY BEFORE THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION. 
          THIS IMPORTANT. RESIDENTS DESERVE TO BE TOLD CLEARLY AND PUBLICLY THAT THESE SEATS EXIST AND THAT THEY CAN PUT THEIR NAMES FORWARD, GIVE PEOPLE A REAL CHANCE TO HEAR ABOUT IT AND APPLY, THEN WEIGH EVERYONE EQUALLY. I'M ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WOULD STEP FORWARD. THIS IS MY HOME AND I CARE ABOUT ITS FUTURE, NOT JUST WHAT LEANDER IS TODAY, BUT WHAT IT BECOMES. AND I WOULD BE HONORED TO GIVE MY TIME AND MY JUDGMENT TO SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT. ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONSIDERED ALONGSIDE ANYONE ELSE WILLING TO DO THE WORK. SO MY REQUEST IS LET RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THESE SEATS ARE OPEN. 
          USE THE APPLICATION PROCESS THE CITY ALREADY HAS AND CHOOSE THE MOST DEMOCRATIC PATH AVAILABLE. 
          GIVE PEOPLE LIKE ME THE CHANCE TO SERVE THE CITY WE LOVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
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WE ARE ON ITEM 15 DISCUSSING. CONSIDER ACTION ON THE APPOINTMENT OF CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND US WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED THIS, WAS IT IN MAY OR APRIL? I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A MINUTE. OKAY. YEAH, I KNOW IT'S BEEN AT LEAST 30, MAYBE 60 DAYS AGO. WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT CHARTER REVIEW. IT ONLY COMES UP WHEN WE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. AND AT THE TIME WE AGREED ON A SLATE IS WHAT WE VOTED ON THAT DAY, I BELIEVE. AND THE SLATE THAT I SUBMITTED HAS BEEN AMENDED BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS SUBMITTED NAMES THAT WERE ACTUALLY VETTED THROUGH THE CITY OFFICE. AND THAT SLATE HAS BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE THOSE NAMES. YES. MAY 21ST. IT WAS MAY 21ST, AND TODAY IS JULY 16TH ON THERE. SO THE SLATE THAT I SUBMITTED HAS BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE JANELLE MARSHALL, JOHN COSGROVE, DAVID MILITELLO, CATHERINE BATTALION PARKER, MELISSA WALSH AND LAURA BEVINS. AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. IF THAT DOESN'T PASS, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT VOTE. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? LET ME CHECK WITH HER. SHE'S CHECKING TO SEE THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED ON, WAS IT NOT? ORIGINAL SLATE. TO HAVE THAT SLIGHT. YES. OKAY. YOU HAVE A YES. I'M SORRY. 
          YES. YEAH. SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS NOT A SLATE THAT WE WERE APPROVING TODAY. SHE SHE MADE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TONIGHT. IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT OTHER APPOINTMENTS. AND EVERYBODY THOUGHT THAT THAT Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING. CORRECT. BUT WE DID NOT VOTE TO A SLATE. CORRECT. Y'ALL ARE DECIDING WHO THOSE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO FIRST I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. A QUALIFIED, THOUGHTFUL GROUP OF RESIDENTS WHO WILL TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY AND HELP ENSURE OUR CITY CHARTER CONTINUES TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WELL. MY CONCERN IS WITH THE PROCESS, NOT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL NOMINEES. THE CHARTER STATES THAT THE COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT A SEVEN MEMBER CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. THAT MEANS THIS IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. EACH OF US WAS ELECTED BY OUR RESIDENTS TO REPRESENT THEIR INTERESTS, PERSPECTIVES AND VOICES, AND I BELIEVE THAT MEANS EACH COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD HAVE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN SELECTING THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL SERVE A PROCESS WHERE ONE PERSON CHOOSES FROM EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S RECOMMENDATIONS CHANGES THE DYNAMIC. FROM A COLLABORATIVE COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO A SELECTION PROCESS CONTROLLED BY ONE INDIVIDUAL, EVEN IF THE INTENT IS TO CREATE CONSISTENCY. THE RESULT IS THAT THE VOICES AND JUDGMENT OF INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE DIMINISHED. THE STRENGTH OF A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION COMES FROM HAVING A VARIETY OF PERSPECTIVES, EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUNDS REPRESENTED. THE PROCESS WE USE TO APPOINT THAT COMMISSION SHOULD REFLECT THOSE SAME VALUES OF COLLABORATION, TRANSPARENCY AND RESPECT FOR THE ROLE OF EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL. I BELIEVE THE BEST APPROACH FOR US IS TO WORK TOGETHER TO APPOINT THESE SEVEN MEMBERS, CONSIDERING ALL RECOMMENDATIONS EQUALLY AND ENSURING THAT NO SINGLE PERSON CONTROLS THE FINAL MAKEUP OF THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND FOR CLARITY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT THEY RECOMMENDED, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VETTED, AND A NAME FROM EACH ONE OF WHAT THEY SELECTED HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST. AND SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SLATE THAT I SAID EARLIER. AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 
          SO THAT SLATE WAS JANELLE MARSHALL, JOHN COSGROVE. JOHN MILITELLO, CATHERINE PARKER, MELISSA, MELISSA, MELISSA, I'M SORRY, WALSH AND LAURA BEVINS. SO I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE THAT YOU HAD COMMENTS. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. SO YES, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS WE ALL PUT FORWARD PEOPLE, AND I THINK EACH ONE OF SOME OF US PUT FORWARD A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT WE, WE WERE THINKING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THIS PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WOULD BE IS THAT TO KIND OF MAKE THIS KIND OF. I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SWANSON WOULD REALLY LIKE IS TO BE ABLE TO PICK HER PERSON FROM HER LIST THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THAT. I THINK IF I THINK IF WE IF SHE COULD DO THAT, I THINK WE COULD HAVE SOME UNANIMITY OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT WORD, BUT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE SOME AGREEMENT ON MOVING FORWARD. NO. NO PROBLEM. I ALREADY MADE A MOTION. SO WE JUST NEED TO FINISH THE MOTION AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          YES, MA'AM. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? FOR YOUR MOTION TO JOHN COSGROVE? OH, I'M SORRY, IT'S 
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BECAUSE I MISREAD ONE. IT'S DAVID. I'M SORRY, DARRYL BERGER OKAY. I SKIPPED THAT NAME. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. YES, I MISSED IT ON MY LIST. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 16. 
          [16. Discuss and consider action on the Second Reading of an Ordinance regarding Ordinance Case OR-26-0036 to amend the Composite Zoning Ordinance to update Article I, Section 6 to add definitions, modify Article III, Section 20 to update the use matrix, and update Article IV to add use standards for In-Home Day Care regulations, and to provide for related matters; Williamson and Travis Counties, Texas.]
DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING ORDINANCE CASE 0260036 TO AMEND THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE TO UPDATE ARTICLE ONE, SECTION SIX AND ADD DEFINITIONS, MODIFY ARTICLE THREE, SECTION TWO, AND UPDATE THE USE MATRIX AND UPDATE ARTICLE FOUR TO ADD USE STANDARDS FOR IN-HOME DAYCARE REGULATIONS AND TO PROVIDE FOR RELATED MATTERS. WILLIAMSON AND TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ROBIN GRIFFIN. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPOSITE ZONING ORDINANCE. AT THE LAST MEETING, THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR US TO REVISIT THE DEFINITION OF AN IN-HOME DAYCARE. WE DID UPDATE. I'M SORRY IT WASN'T THE DEFINITION. THE REGULATIONS AROUND ADDING MORE STUDENTS OR CHILDREN. SO WE DID REMOVE THE AGE LIMITS FOR THE ADDITIONAL SIX CHILDREN. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO REFER TO THE STATE FOR THEIR REQUIREMENTS. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I HAD ONE QUESTION. DOES THE STATE LIST AGES IN THEIR DOCUMENT. SO I FOUND WHERE THEY DID HAVE AGES 6 TO 13 AND UNDER. 
          BUT IT DIDN'T IT DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN THE SAME WAY WE DID. SO THIS WAY WE DEFER TO THEM. IF THEY CHANGE IT, IT JUST IT JUST FLOWS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO AMEND OUR ORDINANCE. GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, THE STATE STANDARDS UNDER THE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED, REALLY LIMIT THE TOTAL CAPACITY BASED ON THE AGE OF THE KIDS IN CARE IN THE HOME. SO THE YOUNGER THE KIDS, TYPICALLY THE FEWER NUMBER THAT THEY CAN HAVE IN THE HOUSE ANY MORE TIME. SO WE JUST GOING TO DEFER TO WHAT THE STATE IS DOING TO MAKE IT SIMPLE AND EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. YES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, COUNCIL, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM UNLESS YOU HAVE COMMENTS. I'LL START WITH PLACE ONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. NO. AT THIS TIME. OKAY. NO. ANYBODY WELCOME. OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM. FOR 16 I DON'T WAS I SUPPOSED TO OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. 6 TO 1. THANK YOU. AND THEN ITEM 17 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION 
          [17. Discuss and consider action on the approval of the Oakmont Ridge Phasing Plan associated with Subdivision Case CP-25-0044 on six (6) parcels of land 50.31 acres ± in size, which includes the development of 80 single-family residential lots and commercial uses in two (2) phases with the residential development minimum lot width of 70 feet which comports with the water resolution, more particularly described by Williamson Central Appraisal District Parcels R473796, R324593, R324592, R412990, R594957, and R594958; generally located the east of the intersection of CR 274 and Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
ON THE APPROVAL OF OAKMONT RIDGE PHASING PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBDIVISION. CASE CP-25-0044 ON SIX PARCELS OF LAND, 50.31 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, AS STATED ON THE POSTED AGENDA. EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ROBIN GRIFFIN. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE OAKMONT PHASING PLAN. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED OFF OF RONALD REAGAN. THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IN APRIL OF 2024. THE ZONING INCLUDES A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES. FOR THIS REQUEST. THEY ARE ASKING THAT THEY HAVE TWO PHASES TO THEIR PROJECT. THE FIRST PHASE WOULD INCLUDE ALL 80 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AS WELL AS 135,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL, AND IN THE SECOND PHASE WOULD BE THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMERCIAL. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT REQUIRES PHASING FOR PROJECTS. IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO THAT PHASING STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE REQUEST BECAUSE IT'S A MORE EFFICIENT DESIGN. THEY'RE VERY ISOLATED, AND IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING FOR THEM TO JUST DO A SEGMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THEN WAIT TO START THE NEXT SEGMENT. WITH THAT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. EXCELLENT PRO TIM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON 17TH? NO, MA'AM. PLEASE. FIVE OH, OKAY. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON ON ONE PARTICULAR POINT. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR THE CHANGE OR ALLOWING FOR THE THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT PHASING. I AM I AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S TWO PHASING. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING MY CONFUSION. YOU HAVE THE PHASING WITH THE ZONING, OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE IT REQUIRES. IF YOU DO RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL EITHER GOES BEFORE IT OR CONCURRENTLY WITH IT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. THIS IS ONLY SPEAKING TO PHASING FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO AND AGAIN, I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS. THE FIRST OF THE TWO PHASES THAT THEY 
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HAVE OUTLINED IS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. CORRECT. SO WHAT ARE WE NOT DOING HERE THAT I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE 80 UNITS INTO TWO PHASES, BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER CORRECT DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT. AND THEN SO I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON HOW I ON THIS IS THE DEVELOPER HAS SAID THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING 80 UNITS. THERE IS PROVISIONS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR ABOUT A 10% SHRINKAGE, I'LL CALL IT, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME, THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER DECIDES THAT I WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS 10% AND BUILD TWO MORE UNITS, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS COMES BACK TO US, AND THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK IT MIGHT ALSO REQUIRE A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE LIMITED TO 80 BY THEIR ZONING. OKAY. SO SUMMARY, WE'RE ALLOWING FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF THE PHASING REQUIREMENTS. AS FAR AS THE COMMERCIAL IS CONCERNED, THEY STILL HAVE TO DEVELOP AT THE SAME TIME OR CONCURRENT. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PIECE, WHICH IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL. CORRECT. IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I JUST NEEDED THAT CLARIFICATION. APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANKS FOR. SO THE PHASING ORDINANCE, I FEEL LIKE THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE IT'S, OH, IT'S NOT THAT MANY HOUSES. SO WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PHASE IN ONE. 
          SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT PHASING ORDINANCE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS COME BACK. LIKE IF IT'S UNDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN FACE IT IN ONE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP HAVING THESE SAME EXACT THINGS. IT'S LIKE UNDER 100 HOMES AND WE KEEP HAVING THESE PHASING REQUESTS. SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BRING BACK SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS ALL THE TIME. IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. PLEASE. THREE BASED ON THE COMMENTARY, IS THE THE ONE CLARIFICATION IS WHAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THE PURPOSE OF PHASING INITIALLY IN THE ORDINANCE? SO AT THE TIME, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE WATER RESOLUTION AND WE WERE GETTING REALLY LARGE SUBDIVISIONS. THEY WERE LIKE 900 UNITS, 300 UNITS. 
          AND THE IDEA WAS TO SLOW DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THEY WOULD COME IN WITH ALL OF ONE PHASE AT ONCE. THIS WAY IT'S BROKEN INTO TWO PIECES. SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, WE'VE ADOPTED PHASING PLANS FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THE FIRST PHASE WAS 120 UNITS. SO WE KIND OF SAW THIS AS SIMILAR TO A MULTI PHASE DEVELOPMENT, JUST ONLY ONE OF THE PHASES, RIGHT? SO IN TERMS OF MITIGATING OUR WATER UTILIZATION, THAT WAS THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE ORDINANCE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE DO SO. SO KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHY WE DO THESE, WHY WE APPROVE THEM AND NOT APPROVE THEM. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE. SO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ELECTRICITY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SEWAGE. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE OTHER THINGS THERE. THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER REASON THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THE KIND OF DETERMINING THE PHASING. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING SOME OF THESE THINGS IS BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S KIND OF IN PLACE AND READY TO GO, TOO. DOES THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT? THIS PHASING IS VERY SPECIFIC TO WATER, AND IT WAS WATER USE IS NOT REALLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. BUT WHEN WE GO AND MAKE OUR DECISIONS, IT'S KIND OF TIES INTO ALL THAT. I MEAN, I MEAN, NOT I MEAN, USUALLY, I MEAN LIKE US. YEAH. USUALLY THEY'RE BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO SERVE THE SUBDIVISION. BUT IF I RECALL, THERE WAS THE ONE WHERE WE THE ONE PREVIOUSLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE ELECTRICITY WAS THERE, EVERYTHING WAS THERE. INSTEAD OF HIM COMING BACK AND DO THE ROADS TWICE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING, IT WAS THE ONE. IT WAS EFFICIENCY OF DEVELOPMENT, LIKE MAKING. YES. AND SO THAT THAT IS A CONSIDERATION WHEN BRINGING THESE FORWARD, CORRECT? YEAH. BECAUSE THEY MOBILIZE ONCE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH BRINGING. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO SAY I DON'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH BRINGING THEM BACK TO US AND DISCUSSING THEM. I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON RELATED TO CERTAIN THINGS AND ALL THAT. SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND, AND HAVING THAT LEVERAGE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO. SO THANK YOU PLEASE. ONE, I HAD A QUESTION, BUT COUNCILMAN ADINA HAD ASKED IT. SO IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 
          [18. Discuss and consider action regarding Tree Removal Case TRP-25-0046 regarding the removal of four (4) Heritage Trees associated with the Burleson Phases 1, 5 - 8 Public Improvement Construction Plans Development (PICP-25-0220), generally located to the southeast of the intersection of Journey Parkway and Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 18. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING TREE REMOVAL CASE TRP 25-0046. REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF FOUR HERITAGE TREES ASSOCIATED WITH 
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THE BURLISON PHASES ONE FIVE THROUGH EIGHT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT CONSTRUCTION PLANS DEVELOPMENT PICP25-0220. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF JOURNEY PARKWAY AND RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD. LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES GRIFFIN, AGAIN, WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. 
          SO THIS IS A HERITAGE TREE REMOVAL REQUEST FOR THE BURLISON SUBDIVISION. THE CITY COUNCIL DID REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THIS PROJECT IN FEBRUARY OF 2025. AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, THEY WERE REQUESTING TO REMOVE HERITAGE TREES. AT THAT TIME, THEY REMOVED OR GOT APPROVAL TO REMOVE 11 HERITAGE TREES. THE NEXT STEP AFTER THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS FOR THEM TO WORK ON THEIR SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEY ARE LAYING OUT THE ROADS AND THE DRAINAGE, AND THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE GRADING OF THE SITE. AND IN THIS SITUATION, THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF GRADING THAT CAME INTO PLAY, AND IT CAUSED THEM TO HAVE TO REQUEST TO REMOVE ADDITIONAL TREES. SO THIS REQUEST INCLUDES ADDING FOR HERITAGE TREES TO THE THE REMOVAL. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THERE ARE TWO HERE. THESE TWO ARE ON LOTS BUT THEY'RE IMPACTED BY DRAINAGE. 
          I'M SORRY, GRADING ASSOCIATED WITH DRAINAGE IN THE ROADS. AND THEN THESE TWO ARE LOCATED IN DETENTION POND AREAS WHERE IT'S HEAVY GRADING AND THE TREE WOULDN'T SURVIVE. IT'S CHALLENGING TO PUT A TREE WELL ON A SLOPE LIKE THAT AND HAVE THE TREE SURVIVE. THIS REQUEST DID GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON JULY 9TH, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE HERITAGE TREES. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. ANITA, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD AGAIN. AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ANITA TO INVEST 708 PALOMAR DRIVE. SO TONIGHT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REQUESTS BEFORE YOU TO REMOVE HERITAGE TREES. THESE ARE MAGNIFICENT SPRAWLING OAKS, SOME LIKELY AND MOST LIKELY OLDER THAN THE CITY ITSELF. THE KIND OF GRAND CANOPIES THAT TAKE A LIFETIME OR MORE TO GROW. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE POLICY THAT GOVERNS THOSE DECISIONS, THE STANDARD WE USE WHEN SIGNIFICANT HERITAGE TREES ARE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL. BECAUSE A RECENT CASE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING REVEALED SOMETHING WORTH YOUR ATTENTION. AT A PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON JUNE 25TH, COMMISSIONER MORALES ASKED AN APPLICANT A STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION. HE ASKED WHETHER THE SITE COULD BE ADJUSTED TO SAVE SOME OF THE TREES SLATED FOR REMOVAL, WHETHER BENDING A DRIVE AISLE OR GIVING UP A PARKING OR SPACE FOR PARKING SPACE OR TWO MIGHT LET THEM STAY. AND THE APPLICANT ANSWERED HONESTLY THAT SAVING THOSE TREES WOULDN'T TORPEDO THE SITE PLAN. IT WOULD COST A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES, BUT IT COULD BE DONE. I WANT YOU TO SIT WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. A COMMISSIONER IDENTIFIED THAT TREES COULD BE PRESERVED WITH A SMALL DESIGN CHANGE. THE APPLICANT AGREED THEY COULD, AND UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, THAT STILL WASN'T ENOUGH TO REQUIRE IT, BECAUSE PAYING THE MITIGATION FEE IS THE EASIER PATH AND OUR POLICY LETS THE APPLICANT TAKE IT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT TONIGHT. THIS ISN'T A STORY ABOUT ONE APPLICANT, AND IT ISN'T ABOUT ANYONE ACTING IN BAD FAITH. EVERYONE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS EXACTLY AS WRITTEN. THE ISSUE IS A PROCESS ITSELF RIGHT NOW, WHEN A TREE CAN BE SAVED, OUR STANDARD STILL TREATS REMOVAL AND A FEE AS THE DEFAULT. PRESERVATION IS AN OPTION IS OPTIONAL AND IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE APPLICANT CHOOSES IT. I DON'T THINK THAT REFLECTS WHAT THE CITY VALUES, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT RESIDENTS ASSUME IS HAPPENING WHEN THEY HEAR THAT WE HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. SO IT ASKS YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER THAT ORDINANCE SHOULD REQUIRE AN APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE A TREE CAN'T REASONABLY BE SAVED BEFORE ITS APPROVAL FOR REMOVAL, INSTEAD OF LETTING A FEE STAND IN FOR IN FOR THAT EFFORT. WHEN SOMEONE CAN DESIGN AROUND A MATURE TREE AND SIMPLY CHOOSE NOT TO SAVE IT, OUR POLICY SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THESE TREES TAKE GENERATIONS TO GROW. ONCE THEY'RE GONE, NO FEE BRINGS THEM BACK AND OUR POLICY SHOULD TREAT THEM THAT WAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 18 IS AN ACTION ITEM. UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE COMMENTS. YES, SO FOR ITEM 18, WE KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PLANNING ON PAYING 84,000 IN LIEU FEES. ROBIN, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TOUCH ON HOW THESE MITIGATION FEES MIGHT BE USED BY THE CITY? AND IF WE KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED TO PLANT NEW TREES TO OFFSET THOSE BEING REMOVED. SO CURRENTLY WE'RE ABLE TO USE THE FUNDS TO PLANT REPLACEMENT TREES AND PARKS AS WELL AS MAINTAIN EXISTING TREES. I CAN'T SPEAK TO A CURRENT PLAN FOR HOW THESE SPECIFIC FUNDS WOULD BE USED, BUT THAT'S HOW WE CAN USE 
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MITIGATION FUNDS. I GUESS IT'S FOR THE APPLICANT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ON YOUR END? GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRAD GARNER, DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH TAYLOR MORRISON. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE REASON FOR THIS. THIS WAS INSTIGATED PRIMARILY BY A DESIGN CHANGE FOR OUR DETENTION AND WATER QUALITY PONDS THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE TCDC, AND SO WE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL TREE REMOVAL PLAN THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WITH THE WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO SOME OF THE PLAN REVIEWS, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED US TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. AND SO WE AGREED. YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO HAVE TO REMOVE THESE TREES. WE PREFER TO KEEP THEM. BUT WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEER, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY AROUND IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE MADE THE APPLICATION TO REMOVE THEM. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCERNS BY THE OF THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF OUR NATURAL, YOU KNOW, ASSETS AS WE CAN. AND WE DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          SO APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING AND JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ARE PLANNING A LOT OF REPLACEMENT TREES ALONG THE ENTRY BOULEVARD AND DEFINITELY WILL BE LANDSCAPED. WELL, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO, TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. PLACE TO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO LOOKING AT THE LIST OF TREES HERE ON THE ON THE ONE THING, THEY'RE ALL FAIR, POOR AND GOOD. AND THEN WHEN I GO OVER TO THE TO THE DOCUMENT THAT'S ATTACHED, THE BY TREE MAN SOLUTIONS, IS IT TREE TRIMMING? AND YOU GO TO PAGE TWO, THERE'S A GROUP OF TREES HERE WHERE THEY'RE EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, GOOD, GOOD. YOU KNOW, AND SO AND SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THIS, I WAS LIKE, OH, SO ALL THESE TREES THAT YOU GUYS ARE TARGETING HERE, THEY'RE ALL GOOD OR POOR OR FAIR IS KIND OF IS THAT WHAT IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR DESIGN ENGINEER. I MEAN, SAY YOU'RE NOT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SAT DOWN AND GONE THROUGH IT AND YOU'VE REALLY SAVED ALL THAT EXCELLENT TREES. I MEAN, THIS ONE IS LIKE 54IN. YEAH. 
          AND ALL THAT. GOOD. GOOD EVENING. WALTER HAUSER WITH LJ ENGINEER REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. GOOD, FAIR AND POOR. I CAN'T TARGET THE POOR SO MUCH. I TRY TO PUSH THINGS TO TO GET THE POOR IN THERE, THE EXCELLENT TREES. THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THEM ON THIS SITE AND WE WORK. WE WORKED HARD TO WORK AROUND ALL OF THOSE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GOOD AND THE FAIR. THERE'S. THERE'S NOT MUCH DISCRIMINATION IN THERE. YOU AND I COULD LOOK AT A GOOD TREE AND YOU AND I COULD LOOK AT A FAIR TRADE. WE'RE GOING TO SAY THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY GOOD LOOKING TREES. BUT YES, WE WORKED HARD TO SAVE THE EXCELLENT TREES AND KEEP THOSE OFF THE REMOVAL LIST. WHEN WE HAD THE LEEWAY, WE TRIED TO PUSH AS MUCH AS WE COULD ONTO THE POOR TREES, BUT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY A SECONDARY CONSIDERATION AFTER SEVEN. THE EXCELLENT SPECIMENS. YEAH. AND ON THIS SITE, IF I'M IT'S LIKE SIX, ALMOST 6200 TREES THAT YOU GUYS WENT OUT AND MEASURED, LOOKED AT. THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THERE. YEAH, IT'S I THINK SO I ALMOST KILLED THREE OF MY YOUNGER ENGINEERS TRYING TO GET THEM TO BEAT THROUGH ALL OF THESE TO GET THESE NUMBERS AS CLOSE AS WE GOT. OKAY. ARE YOU SURE YOU GOT THEM ALL? NO, I'M KIDDING. I, I WELL, I'VE PUT MY STAMP ON IT. THAT'S THE BEST I CAN SAY. THANK YOU. PLEASE. 
          THREE I JUST HAD A REAL QUICK QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE GRADIENT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR YOU OR FOR ROBIN, BUT YOU TALKED THERE WAS A TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE APPLICATION IS THAT THE GRADIENT NEEDED TO BE AT A SET STANDARD. OR CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RISK THAT'S BEHIND NOT MAKING THAT CHANGE? I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. LET ME IF THAT'S A ROUGH OKAY. LET ME TAKE A STAB AT THAT. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? ALRIGHT. YEAH WE CAN. OKAY. IF Y'ALL WOULD JUST SPEAK INTO THE MIC A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE WE'RE RECORDING. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR. YES, MA'AM. IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S MUCH BETTER. PERFECT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WHEN WE DO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A 2D PICTURE JUST STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THE SKY. HOW WE LAY OUT THE ROADS TO SAVE THE TREES. I'VE GOT CONTOUR MAPS ON IN THE BACKGROUND THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, AND WE MAKE OUR BEST GUESS AS FAR AS WHERE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GRADE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRELIM, I'VE GOT CERTAIN BLOCKS THAT WE'RE CLEARING BECAUSE WE KNEW UP FRONT THAT WE HAD TO CLEAR THOSE BLOCKS TO MAKE THIS WORK WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. OKAY. WITH THIS TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, ONCE WE GOT INTO THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND WE FINE TUNED THE DESIGNS AND CALCULATIONS, THOSE TWO TREES DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND PAIN THERE. I ENDED UP HAVING TO 
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MAKE THAT POND ABOUT TWO FEET TALLER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL DESIGNS. SO I HAD TO RAISE THE GROUND UP OR RAISE THE ROADS UP TWO FEET BIGGER. I UNDERESTIMATED HOW BIG THE STORM SEWER PIPE WAS GOING TO NEED TO BE. SO WHEN WE MADE THAT PIPE BIGGER, WE HAD TO RAISE THE ROAD TIRE TO KEEP IT UNDER THE KEEP THE PIPE UNDER THE GROUND WHERE WE LIKE TO KEEP THEM. YES. AND SO THAT FILTERED BACK THROUGH THOSE TWO BLOCKS THAT WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED HAVING TO GRADE OVER. YOU KNOW, LIKE BRAD HAD MENTIONED WITH THE LARGE POND IN THE CENTER THERE, WE'D ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IT AS A DRY POND AND THEN RAN AFOUL OF A FOOTNOTE ON THE TCDC WHERE I HAD TOO MUCH DRAINAGE AREA GOING TO IT FOR THAT TYPE POND, AND WE HAD TO THROW IT AWAY AND REDESIGN AS A WET POND. AND I THINK THAT COMPLIANCE TO WITH TO TONIGHT, THE WATER QUALITY COMPLIANCE WITH THE STUDY. OKAY. 
          NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THE WET POND FOOTPRINT IS BIGGER THAN THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAD. SO MY POND FOOTPRINT GREW. THE GRADING AREA THAT WE NEEDED TO GRADE WAS BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'D ANTICIPATED AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. AND WE SOAKED UP THESE TWO HERITAGE TREES IN THAT ONE. 
          OKAY, SO THE ROOT CAUSE IS ESSENTIALLY BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH TC KIND OF SNOWBALLED. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU HAD TO MAKE. YES, MA'AM. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PLEASE SUPPORT. SO FIRST, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PRESERVING THE TREES THAT YOU HAVE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. OUR ORDINANCE RECOGNIZES THAT REQUIRING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL BEFORE THEY CAN BE REMOVED, BECAUSE HERITAGE TREES ARE DIFFERENT. IF REMOVAL WERE SIMPLY PAYING A FEE, THIS ITEM WOULD NOT BE FORCED BE BEFORE US TONIGHT. THE QUESTION BEFORE US ISN'T WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD OCCUR, BUT WHETHER THESE FOUR HERITAGE TREES TRULY CANNOT BE PRESERVED. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE ONCE AGAIN RELYING ON A FEE IN LIEU AS A PRIMARY FORM OF MITIGATION, AS WELL AS NOT REPLANTING OR PAYING INSTEAD OF REPLANTING AS WELL. WHILE OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS THAT OPTION, I DON'T BELIEVE WRITING A CHECK IS THE SAME AS REPLACING WHAT WE'RE LOSING. THESE ARE MATURE TREES THAT HAVE PROVIDED SHADE, WILDLIFE HABITAT, STORMWATER BENEFITS, IMPROVED AIR QUALITY AND CHARACTER TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR DECADES. THOSE BENEFITS CANNOT BE RECREATED OVERNIGHT BY MONEY OR BY EVEN PLANTING REPLACEMENT TREES. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR TREE REPLACEMENT FUND IS BEEN BARELY USED FOR ONE COMMEMORATIVE TREE AND THE SENIOR CENTER TREES. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SO THAT'S ALL THAT ALL OF THE FEES ANYONE HAS EVER PAID FOR TREE MITIGATION. THAT'S ALL THE TREES THAT WE'VE EVER REPLACED. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. IS THERE A WAY TO PRESERVE? SO I KNOW ONE OF THE TREES IS PRETTY BAD CONDITION. IT'S A VERY POOR TREE. ONE OF THE HERITAGE TREES. 
          CORRECT. ANYBODY I YEAH. WHAT VERY FOR HERITAGE COME TO COUNCIL AS WELL. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK MY NOTES. OH OKAY THEN. YES MA'AM. YEAH. ONE OF THEM IS IN VERY POOR CONDITION. I CAN ABSOLUTELY SEE REMOVING THAT ONE. BUT IF I THINK THAT PRESERVATION IS POSSIBLE AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ALL THE WAYS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY PRESERVE THESE TREES, WHEN WE SAY THAT THEY CAN BE PRESERVED, BUT THAT THEY'LL LIKELY BE REMOVED LATER, THEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY PRESERVED TO BEGIN WITH. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WHAT ENGINEERING ALTERNATIVES WERE CONSIDERED FOR EACH OF THESE FOUR HERITAGE TREES. I GOTTA TELL YOU, I DIDN'T CONSIDER ANYTHING FOR THESE INDIVIDUAL TREES. WHEN WE PUT THE OVERALL PRELIMINARY PLAT TOGETHER, WE LOOKED AT THE BALANCE OF THE SITE AS A WHOLE AND ATTEMPTED TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES ACROSS AS POSSIBLE. BY THE TIME WE GOT TO THESE FOUR, WITH THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS, THERE WERE TOO MANY DECISIONS MADE TO FURTHER REFINE ANYTHING TO, TO, TO PRESERVE THESE FOUR. SO IF THESE FOUR TREES WERE NOT APPROVED TO BE REMOVED, WOULD WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT? WOULD IT CONTINUE? PLEASE BE HONEST. THE TWO IN THE POND. I'M NOT SURE HOW I FIXED THAT. YOU KNOW THE THE TWO OUT IN THE LOT BANKS WE COULD PUT A TREE. WELL THERE ONE OF BOTH OF THOSE IN ORDER TO GET THAT TREE TO TREE WELL TO DRAIN I'VE GOT TO GO AT LEAST 1 OR 2 LOTS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THE ROAD IS BELOW THE BOTTOM OF THAT TREE WELL, AGAIN, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO GOOD PRACTICE WHEN. WHEN LEANDER REVIEWS MY PLANS, THEY WANT THE LOT TO DRAIN TO THE STREET, TO THE GUTTER, TO THE INLET, TO THE POND, WITHOUT CROSSING ANYBODY ELSE'S LOT. UNLESS IT'S JUST GOING FROM ONE BACKYARD INTO ANOTHER BACKYARD OUT THE 
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FRONT. TO DO THAT, I'D HAVE TO FORCE THE WATER DOWN ACROSS AT LEAST TWO LOTS BEFORE IT COULD DAYLIGHT TO THE STREET AGAIN AND GET INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. FROM A MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, I DON'T SEE HOW WE'D HOW WE'D GET THROUGH THE HOME BUILDING PROCESS WITHOUT CREATING A HOLE THAT DOESN'T DRAIN UNTIL ALL THE HOUSES ARE BUILT UP, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY. I'M A SMART PERSON. EXCUSE ME, AROUND FOUR. BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, THESE THESE NEED TO GO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT YOU WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY. THOSE WERE YOUR WORDS. OH, I, I CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY IF I THANK YOU. PLEASE. FIVE. ROBIN WILL BE APPLYING A LOT OF VARIANCES BUT WE'LL FIND SOMETHING. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I, I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT, THAT YOU AS DEVELOPERS TAKE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF, OF SALVAGE ON THESE HERITAGE TREES AND SIGNIFICANT TREES WHILE STILL MAINTAINING YOUR PRIMARY OBJECTION OR OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS PROFITABILITY. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT AND YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. AND, AND I GET THAT RIGHT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL THAT I'M NOT TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN ANY CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO HERITAGE TREES AND THESE QUESTIONS, I HATE THESE. I ABSOLUTELY HATE WHEN THESE COME IN FRONT OF US, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO TRY TO ANSWER, AS YOU ARE CLEARLY INDICATING HERE. IT'S A IT'S AN ENGINEERING ISSUE. IT'S A WATER RETENTION ISSUE. IT'S A TCE ISSUE. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE COMPLICATIONS THAT COME INTO MIND. SO IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ARE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO, AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MAYBE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. RIGHT? WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I DID HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I PUT TO STAFF. AND, AND I BELIEVE YOU AS PETITIONERS ALSO ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING SOME OF THE GRADING AND THE CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE, SOME OF THE WELLS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE ADDED THERE. I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. I DID SPEND SOME TIME TRYING TO RESEARCH THIS. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT I HAVE SPENT MORE TIME LEARNING AND FIGURING OUT. AND AGAIN, I'M I'M ASKING FOR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE FROM FRIENDS WHO ARE ENGINEERS AND, YOU KNOW, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS. HELP ME SEE IF THIS IS FEASIBLE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPER. THAT SAID, THE FOUR TREES THAT ARE HERE, I UNDERSTAND THE TWO ARE IN THE IN THE RETENTION AREAS. AND I, I LOOKED AT THAT AND I WAS LIKE, I DON'T THINK I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OPTION FOR THOSE. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. THERE WAS ONE PARTICULAR ONE THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME IN THE DOCUMENTATION. I BELIEVE IT'S 79, 92 IS IS THE TREE AS IT'S IDENTIFIED, IT'S IDENTICAL MARKER. IT'S A 39.5IN LIVE OAK. IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION. AND IT'S ACCORDING TO WHAT I CAN TELL, IT'S IN A GRADING AREA AND NOT IN THE RETENTION PONDS. AND AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF I'M CORRECT. OKAY. OR NOT. GO AHEAD SIR. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY HEALTHY SPECIMEN. 
          IT SITS NEAR A COLLECTOR OR A SCHOOL LOT EDGE AMONG SOME TREES, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE I COULD BE WRONG. IT HAPPENS. I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD MAYBE FOCUS ON ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA IN OUR CONVERSATION HERE AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SALVAGE THAT ONE'S THE MOST HERITAGE OF ALL. THE HERITAGE IN MY MIND, 79, 92 IS SHOWN ON THAT PLAN TO BE PRESERVED. OKAY. AND THIS WAS NOT A REQUEST TO REMOVE THAT. SO THIS WAS WHERE I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE I KEPT I THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS IN MY QUESTIONS AND ONE INDICATED YES AND ONE INDICATED NO. SO I WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT. HOWEVER, I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE IT'S SALVAGED FOR THE GRADING, THERE WAS SOME INDICATION IN THE PAPERWORK THAT I RECEIVED IN THE ANSWERS. AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON THIS, THAT THE BUILDING THAT WOULD SUBSEQUENTLY BE IN THAT AREA, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVAL OF THAT. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION ON THAT ISSUE BECAUSE THAT TO ME IS, IS TANTAMOUNT HERE TO TO MY CONSIDERATION. YES, SIR. SO SO MY RESPONSE WAS THAT THAT TREE IS SITUATED SUFFICIENTLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD THAT WE EXPECT THE HOME BUILDER TO HAVE PRODUCTS THAT WOULD NOT NEED TO REMOVE IT LATER. SO THAT, THAT THAT ONE'S LIKE RIGHT ON THE ROAD. RIGHT. SO FAR, I'VE LEADING EDGE LINE AS CLOSE TO THAT AS I CAN. OKAY, SO POST GRADING POST BUILD OUT THAT TREE CAN REMAIN 
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CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. 
          AND AGAIN, THE ADDITIONAL EFFORTS, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE. FOUR I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE ON THERE THAT, THAT THAT I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO BE ABLE. AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOUR EXPERTISE. BUT IN MY ESTIMATION, GIVEN YOUR EFFORTS THUS FAR AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR ME AS FAR AS SALVAGE THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO SO. I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR YOUR EFFORTS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE. SIX OKAY, MAYOR, CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? GO FOR IT. IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK ON THE TWO TREES THEY SPECIFIED COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOVED AND SAVED, COULD WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT TODAY OR WOULD WE NEED THEM? WOULD WE NEED TO TABLE THE ITEM, GIVE THEM TIME TO REWORK IT AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. WE WOULD TAKE A VOTE ON WHAT'S HERE, UNLESS MOST OF COUNCIL WANTED THAT TO BE THE SITUATION. I'M NOT GATHERING THAT THAT. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT SOME REALLY QUICK, ARE Y'ALL AMENABLE TO MAYBE REWORKING THIS, US TABLING IT AND US RECONSIDERING IT AT A FUTURE MEETING DATE? IS THIS TIME SENSITIVE FOR YOU? WERE THERE WERE THERE PARTICULAR TREES THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING? WERE THEY THE ONES IN THE LOTS OR THE ADDITION PONDS? THE TWO IN THE LOT, SIR, THE TWO IN THE LOTS FOR THE I MEAN. YEAH. WELL, IF THAT'S FEASIBLE, I FIGURED IT'S DRAINING THAT BOTTOM ONE. I THINK YOU SAID EARLIER THAT IT WAS I THINK THE TRADE OFF IS THAT DRAINAGE SITUATION. RIGHT. IF THE CITY IS AGREEABLE TO HAVING A BIRDBATH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE TREE, WELL, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE MAYBE CONSIDERED A NUISANCE IF IT'S A FOOT DEEP OR SO, BUT WOULD EVENTUALLY EVAPORATE OR SOMETHING. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SORRY. OH, SORRY. MY APOLOGIES. I THINK THE TRADE OFF IS WE COULD PRESERVE THE TREES IN THE FRONT LOT LOCATIONS IF THE CITY WERE AGREEABLE TO ALLOWING A BIRDBATH SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULDN'T DRAIN NATURALLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO EITHER EVAPORATE OR SOAK INTO THE GROUND. AND THAT'S GENERALLY CONSIDERED UNDESIRABLE BECAUSE IT CREATES A NUISANCE. AND WE HAVE PLACE THREE. YEAH. SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT LENDS INTO IS THE DRAINAGE UNDER THESE TWO LOTS, ESSENTIALLY UNDER THESE TWO FAMILIES HOMES. AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE DEGRADATION OF THOSE LOTS? AND SO I THINK THAT'S LIKE AN ENGINEERING QUESTION, RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WHILE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THAT WE WE CUT DOWN TOO MANY TREES. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH MAKING THESE DECISIONS. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT TO THOSE TWO LOTS OR ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE'S HOMES WITH MAKING THAT TRANSITION, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT CAN CREATE ELEVATED GROUNDWATER ISSUES, DIFFERENTIAL GROUNDWATER SITUATIONS THAT CAN CAUSE MOVEMENT IN THE SOILS. BUT I CAN LET OUR ENGINEERS SPEAK TO THAT MORE PRECISELY. MAYBE I DON'T LIKE GROUNDWATER, A BAD WORD THAT LEADS TO BAD. I MEAN, WE LIKE WATER AROUND HERE. WE LIKE WATER. I DON'T LIKE IT UNDER THE GROUND. I DON'T WANT IT ON THE SURFACE, IN YOUR LEGS, COMING INTO YOUR HOMES. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, LIKE BRAD SAID, THE GENERAL GEOLOGY, THERE IS A RELATIVELY EXPANSIVE CLAY SITTING ON TOP OF. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS EXACTLY. I THINK MIDLAND TO MIDLAND, HARD ROCK. SO WHEN WE SOAK THAT WATER IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO RUN DOWN THE ROCK. MY CONCERN WITH STACKING WATER IN THESE IS THAT IT WILL IMPACT THE ROAD BASE A COUPLE OF FEET AWAY AS THAT WATER RUNS ACROSS THE ROCK DOWN TO THE ROAD. SO WE'LL CUT THOSE ROADS TO THE ROCK. WE'LL CUT THEM INTO THE ROCK JUST ENOUGH TO GET THE MINIMUM BASE SECTION IN. SO HAVING STANDING WATER IS NOT A GREAT THING. MY INITIAL THOUGHT WOULD BE, IF WE HAVE TO SAVE THESE AND PUT A TREE WELL AROUND THEM, THAT WE'D HAVE TO PUT A DRAIN UNDER THAT TREE WELL AND GET A NON STANDARD CONNECTION INTO THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM IN FRONT OF IT, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL. FROM MR. RILEY AND MISS ELLISON'S MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT. YEAH, I'LL GO ARM WRESTLE WITH THEM. BUT THAT'S THAT. THAT'S THE ANSWER I GOT COMMISSIONER. NO THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. YEAH. I THINK THAT THAT YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG SAID, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A QUESTION AROUND THE VALIDITY OF ACTUALLY DOING THAT AND NOT HAVING THE LONG TERM IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS WHO WOULD BE IN THAT AREA. AND SO I WOULD LIKE SOME VALIDATION AROUND THAT PIECE BEFORE GOING IN AND MAKING A FINAL DECISION. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR, I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT ON THIS. 
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REVISING MY EARLIER STATEMENT. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU ALL TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD FOR A TABLE THIS AND FOR YOU TO DIALOG WITH CITY STAFF FOR US TO COME BACK WITH MAYBE 1 OR 2 DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAYBE SAVE 1 OR 2 TREES. YEAH. MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT ARE I THINK THE TREE WELL IS REALLY THE ONLY OPTION WITH THE, THE LAND PLAN THAT'S ESTABLISHED. AND SO BARRING SOME ENTIRE REDESIGN, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE PATHWAYS. THANK YOU, CITY SECRETARY CRABTREE, ON THIS ITEM. DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE AS IT IS OR WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE IF THERE'S ENOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT TO TABLE IT? OKAY, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. I HAD A QUESTION FOR. SO IF WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GO AND LOOK AT THIS AND WE GO AND TALK ABOUT PUTTING A TREE. WELL, AND ALL THIS GOES ON. DOES THIS MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO TCEQ FOR FOR WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AT ALL? AND IS THAT GOING TO BASICALLY IMPACT IT AND CAUSE ANOTHER REDESIGN AND SPIRAL? THIS THING IS THAT IF I TOUCH THE TREES IN THE POND AREA, WE GOT TO GO TALK TO T C EXCUSE ME IF I TOUCH THE TREES IN THE POND AREA, WE GOT TO GO TALK TO TCEQ AGAIN AND THAT'S THAT'S A 90 DAY. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT COULD KICK OFF ANOTHER DESIGN SEQUENCE WITH SOMETHING ELSE. BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME SPACE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE TO MOVE WHATEVER TO GET IT, BECAUSE THE PROPER SIZE AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. YES, SIR. YEAH. I'VE GOT YEAH, HUNDREDS OF CUBIC FEET OF VOLUME TO SPARE IN THAT POND. IT'S AS TIGHT AS WE CAN MAKE IT. 
          YEAH. OKAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO A LATER DATE, I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WHAT IS THE DATE CERTAIN. CAN I SECOND, CAN I MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? AUGUST 20TH. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO. MAYOR THOMPSON, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THE TWO TREES THAT ARE WITHIN THE POND AREA. SINCE WE HAVE VALIDATED THAT THESE THEY WILL NOT BE IMPACTED WITH THIS TABLING. AND THEN WE ALSO. TABLE OR CAN. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IT'S IT'S TABLE. EVERYTHING. 
          EVERYTHING. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WELL I RESCIND MY AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS. I NEED A SECOND TO MOVE IT FORWARD. THEN WE CAN TAKE A SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING IT? COULD CAN WE DO AUGUST 6TH INSTEAD OF THE 20TH? CITY ENGINEER WILL BE BACK ON WEDNESDAY. SO I FEEL LIKE WE COULD IF THAT'S. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT. SHOULD BE OKAY. YEAH. YOU'LL HAVE MORE PICTURES TOMORROW. YES. IT'S ALL I'M DOING. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL AMEND THE MOTION TO TABLE IT TO AUGUST 6TH. AND IT HAD A SECOND. WHOEVER WAS THE SECOND. OH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT AND I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. SO WE'LL I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON AUGUST 6TH. LOOKING FORWARD TO. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. ALRIGHT, 
          [19. Discuss and consider action regarding Tree Removal Case TRP-25-0050 regarding the removal of one (1) Heritage Tree associated with the Suds Deluxe Car Wash, generally located at 675 Kauffman Loop, Leander, Williamson County, Texas.]
WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 19 DISCUSSING CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING TREE REMOVAL CASE TRP25-0050. REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF ONE HERITAGE TREE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUDS DELUXE CAR WASH, GENERALLY LOCATED AT 675 KAUFMAN LOOP. LEANDER WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ROBIN GRIFFIN. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS A TREE REMOVAL REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL OF ONE HERITAGE TREE AT 675 KAUFMAN LOOP. THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH A PROPOSED CAR WASH ON THE. THE EXHIBIT THERE. HERITAGE TREE IS LOCATED HERE IN THE CENTER. THE OTHER TREES ARE SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT DON'T REQUIRE REVIEW BY THE COUNCIL. THEY WERE ABLE TO SAVE HERITAGE TREES TO THE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WAYS YOU COULD MOVE THE PARKING AND THE DRIVE AISLES. AND EVERY TIME YOU MOVE IT, YOU LOSE MORE TREES. THEY ALSO SAVED THE TREES ON THIS SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS REQUEST AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I CAN ALSO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. PLEASE. JUAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. PLACE TWO. NO. PLACE THREE. 
          NO. ALL RIGHT. PLACE FOUR. I THINK THE SAME AS LAST TIME. PLACE FIVE AND PLACE SIX. ALL 
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RIGHT. WELL, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. 6 TO 1. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. 
          [20. City Council discussion and possible direction regarding potential ordinance amendments and requirements associated with DarkSky International's designation of the City of Leander as an International DarkSky Community.]
WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 20. CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH DARK SKY INTERNATIONAL. 
          DESIGNATION FOR THE CITY OF LEANDER. AS AN INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY COMMUNITY SENIOR PLANNER MICHAEL CHUDNOFSKY. WELCOME. HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST TO GO OVER AT A HIGH LEVEL, SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT DARK SKY COMMUNITY DESIGNATION. OKAY. SO AS A QUICK BACKGROUND, 2005, THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED. 2016. THAT'S WHEN WE ADOPTED THE OUR CURRENT LIGHTING ORDINANCE EARLIER THIS YEAR IS WHEN WE DID THE RESOLUTION TO PURSUE DARK SKY. AFTER THAT RESOLUTION, STAFF MET WITH. WE SUBMITTED OUR REQUEST FOR ELIGIBILITY. WE MET WITH OUR DARK SKY REPRESENTATIVE. DURING THAT MEETING. THEY COVERED THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WENT OVER SOME OF THE POTENTIAL ORDINANCE CHANGES, AND THEY SENT US THE APPLICATION AND CHECKLIST AFTER THAT MEETING, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET TODAY AS PART OF THE OR AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. THERE ARE SEVEN SECTIONS IN THAT APPLICATION AND CHECKLIST. THE LARGEST AND MOST SIGNIFICANT IS SECTION C, WHICH COVERS THE ORDINANCE UPDATES. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU. SO ITEM ONE IN, I GUESS JUST FOR CLARITY IN THE SUMMARY, THAT'S WHERE I WROTE IT IN PLAIN LANGUAGE AS BEST I COULD. AND THEN HERE THE LANGUAGE WILL REFLECT WHAT THEY USE IN THEIR APPLICATION. JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A QUESTION HERE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR. SO ONE IS TO UPDATE THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS TO CREATE A FULL LIGHTING MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT FOLLOWS THE NATIONAL BEST PRACTICE STANDARDS FOR REDUCING LIGHT POLLUTION. ITEM TWO WOULD BE ANY OUTDOOR LIGHTING BRIGHTER THAN A TYPICAL 75 WATT LIGHT BULB MUST BE FULLY COVERED SO THAT THE LIGHT SHINES DOWNWARD AND DOES NOT SPLIT AND SPILL INTO THE SKY OR ONTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. ITEM THREE WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE HARSH BLUE LIGHT, WHICH CAUSES MORE OF THE GLARE AND LIGHT POLLUTION. OUTDOOR LIGHTS WOULD SHOULD GIVE OFF A WARM, SOFT GLOW, SIMILAR TO THE LIGHT FROM PORCH LIGHTS, STRING LIGHTS OR STANDARD INDOOR LAMPS. ITEM FOUR WOULD BE TO INCLUDE A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH BARE UNCOVERED LIGHTING A PROPERTY CAN HAVE, SO ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF LIGHT CAN SHINE DIRECTLY FROM BULBS. WITHOUT A COVER. ITEM FIVE WOULD BE TO INCLUDE A POLICY TO PREVENT OVERLOADING. THIS MEANS OUTDOOR AREAS SHOULD NOT BE LIT MUCH BRIGHTER THAN WHAT LIGHTING EXPERTS RECOMMEND. ITEM SIX WOULD BE A NEW PUBLIC. OUTDOOR LIGHTS SHOULD ONLY BE INSTALLED WHEN THEY'RE TRULY NEEDED, AND THE REQUIREMENTS SHOULD EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE AND WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED. ANY PUBLIC LIGHTING MUST ALSO INCLUDE FEATURES LIKE DIMMERS OR AUTOMATIC SHUT OFF TIMERS TO REDUCE UNNECESSARY LIGHT AT NIGHT. THEY WOULD BE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR LIGHTED SIGNS, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE IN THE FIRST HOUR AFTER SUNSET AND THE HOUR BEFORE SUNRISE. SUN SIGNS CANNOT BE OVERLY BRIGHT TO CAUSE GLARE, AND LIGHT POLLUTION SIGNS CAN ONLY BE LIT, WHILE THE BUSINESS OR ACTIVITY THEY ADVERTISE IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. BUSINESSES MUST TURN OFF THEIR SIGN LIGHTING WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED, AND NO SINGLE SIGN CAN HAVE MORE THAN 200FT■!S OF LIT SURFA. 
          ITEM EIGHT WOULD BE THE OUTDOOR SPORTS FIELDS, AND HERE THEY GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. AS LONG AS WE MEET ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WE FOLLOW A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED SAFETY AND LIGHTING GUIDELINES, THAT THE LIGHTS ARE USED ONLY FOR THE PLAYING AREA AND SPECTATOR STANDS, THAT THE BRIGHTNESS CAN BE TURNED UP OR DOWN, DEPENDING ON THE EVENT THAT THE LIGHTS DO NOT SHINE INTO NEARBY HOMES OR PROPERTIES, THAT THERE IS A STRICT CUT OFF TIME. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIGHTS OFF BY 10 OR 1 HOUR AFTER THE GAME ENDS, AND TIMERS ARE REQUIRED, SO THE LIGHTS CANNOT BE LEFT ON ALL NIGHT, AND THE ITEM NINE WOULD BE THAT THE CITY OWNED LIGHTING MUST BE BROUGHT UP TO NEW STANDARDS WITHIN FIVE YEARS, 
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AND ALL OTHER PRIVATE LIGHTING UP TO STANDARDS WITHIN TEN YEARS. AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. WELL THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND IN OUR PACKET, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TO PROVIDE US MORE INFORMATION. I THINK IT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF US BEING OF HAVING SOME OF THE POLICIES IN PLACE VERSUS FULL IMPLEMENTATION AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FINANCIALLY, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY. BECAUSE WE HAVE PROPERTY IN THE CITY, WE HAVE LIGHTS EVERYWHERE, BUT ALSO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE HERE IN OUR CITY. AND SO I THINK THERE'S MORE INFORMATION TO BE RESEARCHED AND PROVIDED FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS FROM PLACE ONE. CITY MANAGER, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN KIND OF OVERLAY THE PROCESS OF WHAT IT TYPICALLY LOOKS LIKE WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL APPROACHES, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS AS FAR AS ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO GET THAT PROCESS. AND THAT'S REALLY GOING TO RELATE TO THE THE, I GUESS, RELATIVE IMPACT OF THE POTENTIAL PROGRAM OR ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS CASE. I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY FAR REACHING CONCEPT. THERE'S I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, I THINK INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN AS A AS A BODY ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT BOTH SIDES OR ALL ASPECTS TO THIS, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A MORE CIRCUMSPECT FINAL DECISION ON WHERE TO GO. THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF INVESTMENT, SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF AMENDMENT TO STANDARDS AS WE WERE TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO I THINK IN THIS CASE, IF WE CREATE A CITY COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE OF A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE CONCEPT THERE WOULD BE TO GET TOGETHER AND THEN TO BEGIN AN OUTREACH PROCESS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE TALKING TO KEY STAKEHOLDERS, IDENTIFYING WHO THEY MAY BE AND BRINGING THEM IN AND TALKING TO THEM COULD BE UTILIZING OUR CURRENT SURVEY SERVICE THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH POLCO, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE CAN DO COMMUNITY WIDE AND WE CAN DO TARGETED KIND OF SURVEY WORK. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE THAT. WE CAN HAVE TOWN HALL MEETINGS, WE CAN WORKSHOPS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND I THINK A PROGRAM OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD BE ONE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER ALL THOSE RANGE OF OPTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. PLEASE DO. I THINK IF WE IF WE FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOME STAFF ON IT BECAUSE I REALLY WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT HOW BIG IS THIS GOING TO HOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AND WHAT IS WE HAVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HERE. I MEAN, SIGN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, THERE'S A LOT OF SIGNS. THERE'S THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO INTO IT. AND IN ESSENCE, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON ALL THE BUSINESSES TOO. SO THIS IS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY PREPARED FOR. AND THEY MAY LIKE THE CONCEPT OF BEING A DARK SKY CITY, BUT WHEN THEY SEE IT'S GOING TO COST THEM AN EXTRA $5000 OR $10,000 IF THEY DON'T HAVE IN ORDER TO GET AN ALIGNMENT WITHIN THIS FIVE YEARS FOR THEM AND TEN YEARS FOR US, IT'S TEN YEARS, TEN YEARS FOR THEM AND FIVE YEARS FOR US. SO I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S AND I ALSO THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT ASPIRATIONAL. SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE, HEY, WE GRANDFATHERING MOVE TOWARD IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW THE COST IF THIS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 50 TO $100 MILLION ON GETTING AN ALIGNMENT SO THAT WE CAN DO THIS AND THEN NOT DO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR FOR OTHER THINGS. I THINK I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT'S NOT JUST IT'S NOT JUST A COMMITTEE OF, OF. OF CITY COUNCILMAN, BUT OUR CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE. I THINK IT SHOULD ALSO HAVE SOME STAFF WITH IT THAT COMES THAT UNDERSTANDS THE IMPACT OF WHAT THESE RULES ACTUALLY MEAN RATHER THAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY HOW IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES JUST THE NIGHT SKY. SO AND I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT RIGHT HERE. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SPEAKER THAT WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS. I'M GONNA HAVE ANITA COME BACK FORWARD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT ITEM 20, AND THEN WE'LL FINISH OUR OUR COMMENTS UP HERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD PURSUE THE DARK SKY DESIGNATION. I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY, REDUCING AND RESTRICTING OUTDOOR LIGHTING IN A GROWING CITY ISN'T SOMETHING I THINK SERVES RESIDENTS WELL. WE ARE 
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ABOUT TO PUSH 100,000 RESIDENTS. WE NEED BRIGHTER AND MORE LIGHTING TO BE HONEST. BEYOND THAT, I VIEW THIS KIND OF AS A HEAVY LIFT. AS COUNCIL MEMBER HERRERA KIND OF POINTED OUT. 
          AND I THINK THIS THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITIES THAT THIS CITY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE PRESSING WORK, AND OUR STAFF'S TIME IS VERY LIMITED. BUT IF THE COUNCIL DOES DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, I'D ASK YOU TO KEEP A FEW THINGS IN THE FRONT OF YOUR MIND, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOAS. THE DARK SKY GUIDELINES REQUIRE AN OUTDOOR LIGHTING POLICY WITHIN AMORTIZATION PROVISION THAT REACHES PRIVATELY OWNED LIGHTING, NOT JUST PUBLIC AND PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE. IT'S THE HOA'S THAT OWN AND MAINTAIN THE STREET LIGHTS. UNDER THIS FRAMEWORK, THOSE FIXTURES COULD EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, AND THAT COSTS WOULD LAND ON THE RESIDENTS THROUGH THEIR HOA DUES. AND AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THE RESIDENTS IN THE HOA IN THE AFFECTED AREAS HAVEN'T BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THIS COULD EVENTUALLY REQUIRE THEM TO REPLACE NON-CONFORMING LIGHTING AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE. AND BEFORE THIS GOES ANY FURTHER, THEY SHOULD BE. SO IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD, I'D ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHAT THIS DOES TO PRIVATE HOAS THAT NEVER BUDGETED TO REPLACE WORKING STREET LIGHTS. CONSIDER REALISTIC TIMELINE, MEANINGFUL EXEMPTIONS, AND WHETHER EXISTING LIGHTING SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, AND CONSIDER THAT RESIDENTS DESERVE TO KNOW CLEARLY AND UPFRONT THAT THE DARK SKY POLICY COULD EVENTUALLY REQUIRE THEM TO REPLACE LIGHTING AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE. I'D RATHER WE NOT SPEND THE CITY'S TIME AND MONEY ON THIS AT ALL, BUT IF WE DO, LET'S DO IT IN A WAY THAT QUIETLY DOES NOT HAND THE BILL TO THE HOMEOWNERS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. PLEASE. THREE SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH DARK SKIES, I THINK THE WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, IT WAS UNDERSTANDING A BALANCE OF QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE TYPE OF QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE WANT IN OUR CITY. AND JUST LIKE ANY DECISION, I THINK THAT IT IS JUDICIOUS TO DO THAT WITH FACT FINDING FIRST. SO I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF A COUNCIL COMMITTEE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JUST JUSTIFYING PROS AND CONS AND ALSO PETITIONING THE THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE ENGAGEMENT, BECAUSE THESE THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT THEM. AND VARIOUS COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN POINTED OUT THAT WE WANT TO JUST VALIDATE BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ONCE AGAIN, THAT BALANCE OF QUALITY OF LIFE VERSUS WHAT IS PRACTICAL AND WHAT WOULD NOT BE AT THE EXPENSE OF, YOU KNOW, OUR CITIZENS, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR CITY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE THE TIME WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG TO WORK ON THIS. I THINK I WAS COMMISSIONED ALREADY BEFORE TODAY. CAN I CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT AS WELL? CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? OKAY, I WAS GOING TO ADD ON MY EARLIER BIT. I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT EVERYONE HAS GIVEN. I JUST I ALSO WANT TO NOTE IN TALKING TO CITY MANAGER THAT SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY OR TONIGHT WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER MOVEMENT TOWARDS DARK SKY CERTIFICATION OR DARK SKY FRIENDLY PRACTICES, THE WORK OF THIS SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE TO GET FEEDBACK, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S PLAUSIBLE FROM THE DARK SKY CERTIFICATION, WHICH HAS MANY DIFFERENT PIECES AND ELEMENTS, AND TO BRING THAT BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ACTIONABLE ITEMS THAT WE CAN WORK TOWARDS AN ORDINANCE WITH. I JUST WANT TO GIVE IT BACK TO TODD REALLY QUICK. TODD, IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE, WE COULD IMPLEMENT CERTAIN PARTS OF ORDINANCES OR WE COULD INCORPORATE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DARK SKY CERTIFICATION INTO ORDINANCES IF WE WANTED. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE'RE ALREADY THERE. THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME SOME LIGHTING STANDARDS THAT ARE DARK SKY COMPATIBLE OR ADJACENT THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS EVEN TODAY. SO YEAH, THAT'S AN OPTION TO LOOK AT PLACE FOR. HI. SO LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, IT WAS SAID THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE STAFF TIME IF NOT THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH A DARK SKIES DESIGNATION. DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE? I KNOW WE DON'T ON COST, BUT HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY OVER THOSE FIVE YEARS? I DON'T. IS IT CONSIDERABLE? IS IT IS IT A LOT? IS IT AN HOUR A WEEK? IS IT I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THE APPLICATION. IT LOOKS PRETTY EXTENSIVE. AND IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ORDINANCE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME. I THINK HE SAID HE DOESN'T KNOW. BUT YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US TO TO SAY HOW LONG IT WOULD BE. BUT AFTER THE COMP PLAN IS ADOPTED, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A CODE REWRITE. SO PART OF THAT WOULD BE HIRING A 
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CONSULTANT THAT'S GOING TO EVALUATE ALL OF OUR CODE. SO IT'D BE SUBDIVISION ZONING SIGN EVERYTHING. AND THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS WE'RE APPROACHING 100 000 PEOPLE. THERE ARE THREE CITIES WORLDWIDE WHO HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL DARK SKIES DESIGNATION, ONE OF THEM BEING IN THE UNITED STATES. WHEN YOU'RE A CITY THAT'S THE SIZE OF 100 000, IT'S NOT AS EASY TO BECOME A DARK SKY COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FREDERICKSBURG AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF THAT OPEN SPACE ALREADY, AND THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL, THE DARK SKIES IS GREAT FOR THEM. BUT AS A CITY OF 100 000, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING SOMETHING FEASIBLE, ESPECIALLY THE CONSTRAINTS OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY ALREADY FACES. 
          REGARDING THE SIGN ORDINANCE. THIS IS JUST ADDING MORE ON TO THAT. SO I AM AGAINST GOING FORWARD WITH THIS, BUT PLEASE. FIVE. SO LIVED EXPERIENCE. I MOVED TO CYPRESS, TEXAS WHEN I WAS IN MY EARLY 30S, AND I COULD SEE THE STARS, I COULD SEE THE MOON, I COULD SEE ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT ARE IN THE SKY AT NIGHT. RIGHT? I, I'M NOT QUITE THE MILKY WAY. IT WAS ALREADY ENOUGH LIGHT TO KIND OF MUTE THAT. BUT. HOUSTON HAS ITS OWN PARTICULARITIES AND THERE'S NO ZONING OUT THERE. AND I CAN TELL YOU, WITHIN A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS, I COULD NO LONGER SEE THE SKY. I JUST COULDN'T. IT WAS, IT WAS IT'S AN AMBIENT LIGHT, RIGHT? YOU CAN ALREADY KIND OF SEE THAT HERE. I MEAN, AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE GROWTH TO THE SOUTH OF US. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE GROWTH GROWTH TO THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST. SO I DO AGREE WITH WITH COUNCILMAN HERRERA THAT THIS IS ASPIRATIONAL, BUT SO IS THE HERITAGE PROTECTION. AND SO IS ALL OF THE OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TO CONSIDER. THESE ARE DIFFICULT DECISIONS, AND THEY ARE THINGS THAT WE, AS A COUNCIL, NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, NOT FOR US AND NOT FOR COST AND NOT FOR PROFITABILITY, BUT FOR THE LONG TERM QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE, WORK, PLAY, AND ALL THE OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO IN LEANDER. AND THAT'S FUTURE SCOPE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE ASPIRATION PIECE. I THINK IT IS PRUDENT IF THERE IS A DESIRE. 
          AND WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR BRANDING INFORMATION THAT WE JUST RECEIVED, WE'RE BEING GIVEN CLEAR SIGNALS FROM THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE TYPES OF TOPICS. SO I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PRUDENT TO LOOK AT THEM NOW. CAN WE DO EVERYTHING? MAYBE. MAYBE NOT, BUT LET'S FIND OUT. I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE IF WE CAN START WITH A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE, LET THEM EXPLORE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. LET THEM COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH MANY, MANY OTHER THINGS. I THINK IT'S PRUDENT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT BECAUSE. YOU'LL MISS IT WHEN IT'S GONE. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION AS AS WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEM NOT SURE I'M ADDING MUCH TO THIS, BUT I FULLY SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE COUNCIL TEAM AND WHOMEVER FROM STAFF WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. BECAUSE TO SOME OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS POINTS, THIS IS SOMETHING. IF WE DON'T DO SOME THINGS NOW, WE WILL COMPLETELY LOSE IT. YOU CAN NEVER GET IT BACK. AND I KNOW THAT THIS APPLICATION IS VERY LABOR INTENSIVE AND LOTS OF THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER GET THERE. BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND EVEN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, I KNOW MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALWAYS CONSIDERED DARK SKY IN OUR HOA RULES ARE WRITTEN AROUND THOSE THINGS AND OUR STREET LIGHTS AND ALL THE THINGS. SO THERE'S ALREADY SOME THINGS IN PLACE THAT I THINK WE CAN BUILD ON TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, EVEN IF WE DON'T DO THE FULL THING. I THINK IT'S THE PRUDENT THING TO DO, AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR AND CHANG WORKING ON THIS, IF THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, PRO TEM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT AS WE'RE APPROACHING 100 000 AND WE ARE ABOVE 40% BUILT OUT OR 60% BUILT OUT, I'M SORRY THAT. THERE'S NO OTHER TIME TO DO IT. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. 
          AND SO IF WE WANT TO JUST OBSERVE, IS THIS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO? IS THIS 
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ACTUALLY WHAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANT? IS THIS ACTUALLY WHAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WANTS US TO DO? THE TIME TO EVALUATE THAT IS NOW ON THE BEST USE OF OUR TIME IS PROBABLY TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DO THAT WORK AND BRING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO COUNCIL WITH ALL THE DETAILS AND FACTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, INSTEAD OF ALL OF US ASKING ALL OF STAFF TO DO ALL OF THIS. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE LOOK AT ALL OF THIS FOR DARK SKY. I'LL SECOND, AND I WILL AMEND THAT TO INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG AND COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR. SORRY, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST MOTION AND I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? JUST ONE 6 TO 1. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL 
          [21. Discuss and consider action on the purchase of two (2) replacement fire engines for the Fire Department, utilizing HGACBuy Contract FS12-23 from Siddons Martin Emergency Group, LLC in the amount of $2,198,452.00; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents.]
MOVE TO. ITEM 21. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE PURCHASE OF TWO REPLACEMENT FIRE ENGINES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT UTILIZING HGAC BY CONTRACT FX 12-23 FROM SIDDONS MARTIN EMERGENCY GROUP, LLC. IN THE AMOUNT OF 2,198,452 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS. FIRE CHIEF BILLY WUSTERHAUSEN. WELCOME. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM TONIGHT IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO REPLACEMENT ENGINES. SO THEY WOULD REPLACE TWO OF OUR FRONTLINE FIRE ENGINES. THOSE TWO ENGINES ARE 2016. OUR REPLACEMENT PLAN IS A TEN YEAR FRONTLINE. AND THEN THEY GO INTO A RESERVE STATUS FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS. THEY DON'T. WHILE THEY'RE NOT RUNNING FRONTLINE DURING THAT RESERVE STATUS, THEY ARE STILL UTILIZED QUITE A BIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON A 1 TO 1 REPLACEMENT PLAN OR RESERVE PLAN. SO THOSE RESERVE UNITS ARE STILL GETTING A LOT OF USE EVEN IN THAT RESERVE STATUS. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THOSE TWO ENGINES. THE INITIAL LIKE MSRP ON IT IS ABOUT 2.5 MILLION. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY A 23% DISCOUNT DUE TO PURCHASING OR PAYING AT THE TIME OF PLACING THE ORDER, AS WELL AS A SMALLER DISCOUNT THAT'S APPLIED FOR THE PURCHASE OF MORE THAN ONE UNIT AT A TIME. AND SO THOSE COMBINED DISCOUNTS ARE ABOUT 329, BRINGING THAT TOTAL PRICE TO THAT 2.198 MILLION. AND THE UNFORTUNATE NEWS ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR YEARS FOR THESE TO SHOW UP. SO IT IS A LONG TIME, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THEM HERE. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THIS WILL SO THESE THESE TRUCKS WON'T ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL THOSE FIREMEN WE'RE GOING TO HIRE WHEN WE GET THE GRANT. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY ALSO YEAH. THESE WON'T. BUT THE ONES THAT WE ORDERED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO SHOULD BE SHOWING UP THIS YEAR. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS MY SAME COMMENT. I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE GRANT FUNDING. AND SO I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THERE WAS SOME ALIGNMENT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING OUR FIREFIGHTER DEPARTMENT, EXPANDING AS WELL AS PROVIDING YOU WITH THE RIGHT TOOLS TO DO THE JOB. SO EXCELLENT. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD THIS BE ALL THE TRUCKS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DATE? OR HOW FAR BEHIND ARE WE STILL? YEAH. SO THE DELAY IN DELIVERY IS WHAT'S GETTING US BEHIND, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THESE WERE INTENDED TO BE ORDERED THIS YEAR FOR THE. AND THEY USUALLY WOULD TAKE JUST UNDER A YEAR. SO WITH THIS PLAN, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WORKED WITH CITY ADMINISTRATION TO TRY TO ADD ONE MORE UNIT PER YEAR IN TO THE PLAN TO WHERE WE CAN GET CAUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME. SO WITH THAT DELAY, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD, HOW MANY CURRENT VEHICLES ARE IN SERVICE? YEAH. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT LINE UNITS, WE HAVE FIVE FIRE ENGINES AND ONE LADDER TRUCK THAT ARE IN SERVICE. AND WE HAVE TWO RESERVE ENGINES AND ONE RESERVE LADDER. THOSE RESERVE UNITS ARE OVER 15 YEARS OLD. THAT LADDER IS OVER 20 YEARS OLD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS THERE. SO WE'RE HOLDING ON TO THAT. SO WE DO HAVE SOME ENGINES THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY ORDERED THAT ARE COMING IN THIS YEAR. THAT'LL HELP PUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER UNITS INTO RESERVE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN SHUFFLE UNITS AROUND TO TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE BEST ONES. SO OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN SERVICE AND IN RESERVE, ONCE SOME OF THESE MANUFACTURING WOES ARE, ARE ADDRESSED AND WE START GETTING DELIVERY OF VEHICLES, HOW MANY OF THE CURRENT VEHICLE INVENTORY IS RETIRED AT THAT POINT, OR DO WE HOLD ON TO THAT UNTIL WE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT? YEAH. SO THE BECAUSE OF THE RESERVE COMPONENT BEING MORE OF A 2 TO 1 TYPE STATUS. SO WE KEEP TWO FRONT LINE TO ONE RESERVE FOR OUR ENGINES. AND WE CURRENTLY ONLY HAVE TWO RESERVE ENGINES OUT OF THE FIVE FRONT LINE. SO WHENEVER WE GET THESE OTHER 
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UNITS IN, THAT'LL HELP GET THAT UP THERE TO, TO SPEED. BUT DEPENDING ON THAT REPLACEMENT CYCLE, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO HOLD ON TO UNITS A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD. 
          AND SOMETIMES WE CAN LET THEM GO SOONER THAN WE WOULD TO TRY TO KEEP THAT RESERVE BALANCE IN PLACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. TIM, MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          MADAM MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO SAY, TOO, THAT IF WE QUADRUPLE OUR ORDER, WE MIGHT GET TWO FREE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. BUT. ITEM 22 DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AN AWARD SOLICITATION. 
          [22. Discuss and consider action to award Solicitation CIPS26-001 to EZ Bel Construction, LLC for the construction and installation of a traffic signal at the intersection of Ronald W. Reagan Boulevard and Palmera Ridge Boulevard/ Vista Heights Drive (CIP T.85), in the amount of $586,644.50; authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents; and authorize the City Manager to approve change orders not to exceed $146,661.13.]
CIPS26-001 TO ISABEL CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF RONALD REAGAN BOULEVARD AND PALMYRA RIDGE BOULEVARD, VISTA HEIGHTS DRIVE, CIPT .85, IN THE AMOUNT OF 586,644 AND $0.50. AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE CHANGE ORDERS NOT TO EXCEED 146,661 AND $0.13. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PROGRAM MANAGER TONY PEREZ. HI. YES. GOOD EVENING, HONORED COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS GOING. WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THE AWARD AND CONTRACT TO ISABEL IN THE AMOUNT OF $586,644.50, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I FEEL LIKE THIS LIGHT HAS BEEN LONG ANTICIPATED, AND I KNOW THAT MANY FOLKS ALONG RONALD REAGAN AND THE PALMER RIDGE AREA ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. SO JUST VERY EXCITED FOR THIS. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 24 BECAUSE WE TOOK ITEM 23 OUT OF ORDER. AND WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT ONE. ITEM 
          [24. Receive the Board and Commission Subcommittee findings and take action on the recommendations.]
24 RECEIVE A BOARD AND COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE FINDINGS AND TAKE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS. COUNCIL MEMBERS MIKE HERRERA AND ANDREW. NADINE, THIS IS YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL KICK US OFF. IS THAT IS THAT OKAY, ANDREW. I'LL STICK TO THE SCRIPT. IF I SEEM STIFF, IT'S BECAUSE ANDREW'S TALKING THROUGH ME. OH MY GOODNESS SIR. GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT WE BRING THE COMMITTEE REVIEW. WITH THE REVISIONS TO THIS COUNCIL AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS ASK FOR THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF US IS SIMPLE TO STATE. HOW DO WE GIVE RESIDENTS A CLEAR, REGULAR WAY TO SHAPE CITY PRIORITIES AND GET SHARPER ECONOMIC INFORMATION TO GUIDE GROWTH WITHOUT ADDING PERMANENT BOARDS, NEW STAFFING BURDENS OR ADDITIONAL COSTS WE MUST CARRY FORWARD EVERY YEAR. OUR ANSWER IS FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. FOUR OF THEM MOVE WITH NO ORDINANCE CHANGE AT ALL, JUST A RESOLUTION OR A SHORT WORKFLOW MEMO. THE FIFTH IS A 12 MONTH PILOT WITH A DEFINED START AND A DEFINED END. EVERY ONE OF THEM IS BUILT ON THE MODEL ALREADY USES, AND EVERY LEGAL QUESTION IS SENT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE ANYTHING LAUNCHES. WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR CONSENSUS AND YOUR DIRECTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. ANDREW AND I WILL WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER, AND WE WILL LEAVE TIME FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE END. SO THIS IS A THIS IS THE JUNE COMMITTEE REVIEW. WE HAD PRESENTED THIS PREVIOUSLY AND HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL DEPTH TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THIS IS THE REVISED VERSION. IT IS A BRIEFING. IT COMES DOWN TO THOSE FIVE DECISIONS THAT MIKE OUTLINED ON HOW OUR COMMITTEES AND ADVISORY GROUPS ARE STRUCTURED. WE NEED TO THINK OF TONIGHT AS LINING UP FIVE DECISIONS SO THE COUNCIL CAN GIVE THAT DIRECTION AND WE CAN MOVE TOGETHER. SO WITH THAT, I'LL LET MIKE START SPEAKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY PLANNING GRANT. NEXT SLIDE. 
          ACTUALLY, THIS ONE'S RIGHT. WHAT IS RIGHT. YEAH. NO THE COMMUNITY PLANNING. YEAH. 
          THAT'S. YEAH. OKAY. I TOLD YOU TO STICK TO THE SCRIPT. YEAH. EVERYTHING WE PROPOSE STARTS WITH RESIDENTS AND IT STARTS IN THE FALL, OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER. WE CALL IT THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY PLANNING GROUP. IT IS NOT A NEW STANDING BOARD AND IS NOT A MONTHLY OBLIGATION. IT IS A FOCUS GROUP. IT MEETS FOR A DEFINED WINDOW AND DOES ITS WORK AND FINISHES. HERE'S WHAT GOES INTO IT. STAFF GATHERS THE RAW MATERIAL AHEAD OF TIME. THE PRIOR YEAR'S COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS, COMMUNITY SURVEY RESULTS, CITYWIDE AND DEPARTMENTAL PRIORITIES, ECONOMIC RESEARCH AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONCERNS AND SYNTHESIZES IT SO THE PUBLIC SESSIONS ARE PRODUCTIVE FROM THE FIRST MINUTE. THOSE SESSIONS ARE STAFF FACILITATED AND OUTREACH RUNS ACROSS EVERY CHANNEL, NOT JUST SOCIAL MEDIA. SO WE'RE NOT ONLY HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY ON LINE WITH US. AND AND HERE'S WHAT COMES OUT OF IT. A DEFINED SET OF MAJOR PRIORITY AREAS FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. THAT OUTPUT FEEDS DIRECTLY INTO THE SPRING STEERING WORKSHOP. THIS IS RECOMMENDED. RECOMMENDATION ONE, IT ALSO GIVES US OUR HISTORIC 
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PRESERVATION AND ARTS AND CULTURE GROUPS, DEPENDABLE ONCE A YEAR WINDOW TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR PRIORITIES. SO THEIR VOICE IS BUILT INTO THE CALENDAR INSTEAD OF LEFT TO CHANCE. NEXT SLIDE. RECOMMENDATION ONE SETS THE GUIDANCE FOR THE FULL YEAR AND IS FED BY THAT FALL FALL FOCUS GROUP IN THE SPRING, JANUARY AND APRIL, WE HOLD STEERING WORKSHOPS THAT ALIGN THE CALENDAR AND THE TASK TO OUR BUDGET YEAR, WHICH RUNS OCTOBER THROUGH SEPTEMBER. THEN WE HOLD SHORTER QUARTERLY UPDATE WORKSHOPS JUNE, SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER AND FEBRUARY FOR RECAPS, TASK STATUS AND ANY SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT COME UP ALONGSIDE THAT. FOCUS GROUPS RUN AS NEEDED, EVENT DRIVEN WITH A CLEAR START AND END DATE, WHICH KEEPS THE OPEN MEETINGS BURDEN DOWN, AND OUR STATUTORY BOARDS, THE ONES REQUIRED BY LAW, KEEP OPERATING EXACTLY AS THEY DO TODAY. THIS MODEL DOES NOT CHANGE THEM. AUSTIN USED THE SAME STEERING AND RESET APPROACH DURING ITS MOVE TO DISTRICT BASED COUNCIL SEATS FROM 2013 TO 2015, AND THE AND THE PRESENTATION OUTLINES THAT OPEN MEETINGS. APPLICABILITY, AND THAT IS THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT, THE STATE LAW ON HOW PUBLIC BODIES POST AND HOLD MEETINGS IS CONFIRMED WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE LAUNCH. NEXT SLIDE. RECOMMENDATION TWO DEFINES WHAT A FOCUS GROUP IS. SO WE ARE CONSISTENT EVERY TIME WE FORM ONE THREE FEATURES TIME BOUND, SKILLS BASED AND AND A SUNSET CLAUSE MEANING IT ENDS ON SCHEDULE UNLESS COUNCIL CHOOSES TO RENEW IT. THIS IS NOT THEORETICAL. IT ALREADY WORKS HERE. OUR MLK EVENT, JUNETEENTH AND ART FEST ALL RUN THIS WAY TODAY. DEFINED START AND END, SUPPORTED BY CITY PERSONNEL, CLEAR DELIVERABLES, AND A LIGHT OPEN MEETINGS. BURDEN ART FEST IN PARTICULAR SHOWS HOW SKILLS FIRST VOLUNTEERS CAN CARRY INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE YEAR TO YEAR. TWO SELECTION CRITERIA GET WRITTEN DOWN. FIRST SECTOR EXPERTISE, EITHER DIRECTOR OR SENIOR MANAGER LEVEL EXPERIENCE, OR DEMONSTRATED PRACTICAL, HANDS ON EXPERIENCE. THE SECOND PATH MATTERS IT OPENS SEATS TO PEOPLE WITH REAL WORLD KNOWLEDGE WHO MAY NOT CARRY A FORMAL TITLE. THIS IS. THERE IS A PRECEDENT. SAN MARCOS IN ORDINANCE 2025-16 AMENDED ONE OF ITS ADVISORY BOARDS TO ACCEPT PRACTICAL LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE AS A CREDENTIAL WHICH OPENS SEATS TO TO LIVED EXPERIENCE VOICES. SECOND, A TIME COMMITMENT OF ROUGHLY 12 HOURS A MONTH SO APPLICANTS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING UP FOR. I JUST GO OFF SCRIPT HERE FOR A SECOND. I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE SUBJECT MATTER, THAT HAVE EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA AND ARE INTERESTED IN THAT EVENT OR WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE STRIVING FOR WITH THESE FOCUS GROUPS AND ON THESE EVENT BASED ITEMS. ANDREW. THANK YOU. MIKE. SO RECOMMENDATION THREE IS ABOUT THE TWO GROUPS THAT KEEP BUMPING INTO EACH OTHER, THE PARKS BOARD AND LPAC ARE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMISSION. THE FIX HERE IS SIMPLE AND IT DOESN'T NEED ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE CHANGE. WE JUST NEED TO DRAW LANES. CLEARLY, THE PARKS BOARD IS PRIMARILY IN PLACE FOR PARK SYSTEM PLANNING FACILITIES, INVESTMENT FEES AND CHARGES, SPECIAL LOGISTICS, REAL ESTATE AND OPERATIONS. THE ART COMMISSION IS PRIMARILY FOR ART, WHERE PUBLIC ART GOES, HOW IT'S DESIGNED, HOW ARTISTS ARE SELECTED, CULTURAL PROGRAMING, ARTS FUNDING. ONE OWNS THE PHYSICAL SPACE, THE OTHER OWNS THE ARTISTIC AND CULTURAL CONTENT. WHEN A PROJECT GENERALLY INVOLVES BOTH, WE USE ONE SIMPLE RULE SINGLE LEAD PLUS ONE CONSULT, ONE BOARD LEADS THE OTHER GIVES A SINGLE DEFINED CONSULT, ONE MEETING OR WRITTEN INPUT, AND THEN THE PROJECT MOVES. NO ENDLESS BACK AND FORTH. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARTS COMMISSION EXISTING COORDINATION RULE. SO IT'S A WORKFLOW MEMO, NOT A NEW LAW. GEORGETOWN DID THE SAME THING IN 2020 WHEN IT SPLIT A COMBINED UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD WITH THE CLAIM WITH THE SAME TYPE OF LANE CLARITY FIX. NOW, THE FIVE SPECIFIC BOUNDARY ISSUES ARE WHERE THE TWO BOARDS OVERLAP TODAY. AND THIS IS MEANT TO UNDERLINE WHY THAT MEMO IS WORTH THE EFFORT. SO THERE'S TWO BOARDS WITH THE SAME PHYSICAL SPACE AND FIVE SPECIFIC PLACES WHERE THEIR AUTHORITY OVERLAPS TODAY. ARTS AND CULTURE IN THE PARKS. BOTH BOARDS HAVE ORDINANCE AND AUTHORITY OVER PARKS BASED EVENTS. AGAIN, IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT RIGHT NOW, A SINGLE PROJECT CAN RUN THROUGH TWO SEPARATE INPUT PIPELINES. SO BASICALLY BOTH BOARDS ARE ADDRESSING THE SAME ISSUE CAPITAL AND MASTER PLANNING. PARK GATEWAYS AND MEMORIALS TRIGGER BOTH BOARDS CITE AUTHORITY, SPECIAL USE AND EVENTS. A TICKETED ART EVENT IN THE PARK TRIGGERS TWO SEPARATE REVIEWS BUDGET AND FUNDING FEES, GRANTS AND DEPARTMENT SUBMISSIONS OVERLAP ON THE SAME PROGRAMS. NONE OF THESE ARE HYPOTHETICAL. THEY ARE FRICTION 
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POINTS WHERE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS ALREADY RUN INTO THIS. THE SINGLE LEAD PLUS ONE CONSULT RULE GIVES EACH OF THESE A CLEAR OWNERSHIP, SO A PROJECT DOES NOT STALL BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. RECOMMENDATION FOUR BRINGS THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE COMMISSION THE HPC INTO THE SAME FOCUS GROUP FRAMEWORK FROM RECOMMENDATION TWO TIME BOUND SKILLS BASED WITH THE SUNSET CLAUSE. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AT ONE POINT BECAUSE IT MATTERS. THE HPC STAYS FULLY INDEPENDENT AND ITS EXISTING PROGRAMS CONTINUE. THE EDUCATIONAL SPEAKERS, THE ORAL HISTORY WORK THROUGH THE AIRSTREAM PROJECT. 
          HISTORICAL MARKERS IN THE MASON HERITAGE DAY PARTNERSHIP. NOTHING VALUABLE STOPS. IN FACT, THIS RECOMMENDATION MOSTLY WRITES DOWN WHAT ALREADY HAPPENS ON MASON HERITAGE DAY. 
          PARKS AND RECREATION OWNS THE LOGISTICS, AND HPC PROVIDES THE HISTORICAL CONTENT. IT'S THE SAME SINGLE LEAD PLUS ONE CONSULT PATTERN FROM THE RECOMMENDATION THREE. SO WE'RE CODIFYING EXISTING PRACTICE, NOT ADDING WORK FOR PARKS OR FOR THE HPC. THE INSTRUMENT HERE IS A RESOLUTION. SO THIS ONE IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A THINKING CAP. SO PUT THOSE ON AND LET'S FOLLOW ALONG HERE BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON A FEW OF THE ISSUES. IRONICALLY, WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING ALL OF THE AGENDA ITEMS TODAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FUNNY THAT THESE TYPES OF THINGS KIND OF CAME UP TODAY, BUT RECOMMENDATION FIVE IS AN ECONOMIC STRATEGY RESEARCH GROUP. NOW, THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM. I WANT TO BE CLEAR. 
          ITS MISSION IS TO TAKE PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE LIVING HERE IN LEANDER AND CONVERT IT INTO ACTIONABLE MARKET RESEARCH AND DATA. THINK OF IT AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND A REAL WAY TO GET ANALYSIS STOOD UP WITHOUT HAVING THE TYPE A OR B ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH IS THE FORMAL TAX FUNDED ENTITY MANY CITIES HAVE FOR THIS. THIS IS LIGHTER, THIS IS FASTER, AND IT'S TIME LIMITED. IT WOULD BE FOCUSED ON ONE. IT WOULD BE FOCUSED ON ONE OR ALL THREE OF THE AREAS OUTLINED HERE. NOW THESE ARE SUGGESTIONS. THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM THIS WITH STAFF AND ADJUSTED DETERMINED BY PRIORITY. THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AGAIN THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO IT COULD CHANGE. ONE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS THE MARKET READINESS OF SAY RONALD REAGAN OR HERO WAY AND EXAMINING WHERE WE MAY BE LOSING RETAIL SPENDING TO OTHER CITIES. RETAIL LEAKAGE. THIS COULD BE AN ANALYSIS. SECOND DISTRICT ACTIVATION. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT OLD TOWN, THE WALKABILITY, THE LOCAL CHARACTER, EMERGING CENTERS, TRANSIT ORIENTATION DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THIRD IS CHARACTER PRESERVATION. HERE WE COULD LOOK AT PLACE BASED STRATEGIES THAT MAKE SURE NEW DEVELOPMENT FEELS LIKE LEANDER. AND IT'S ALL WORKED OUT IN COORDINATION WITH THE STAFF. THIS DOES DOVETAIL ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING NOW WITH BRANDING AND THOSE TYPES OF INITIATIVES. SO HERE'S HOW THE ESG WOULD BE BUILT SRG SORRY. INITIALLY IT WOULD BE A SEVEN MEMBER SKILLS FOCUSED ROSTER WITH DELIVERABLES OVER A YEAR PROGRAM, AGAIN, A PILOT PROGRAM AND A FOUR STAGE VETTING PROCESS. SO YOU DO HAVE A COMPANION DOCUMENT, EACH OF YOUR SEATS THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THE VETTING PROCESS ITSELF. YOU SEE IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE HERE. IT TALKS ABOUT HOW WE WOULD GO AND MOVE FORWARD. HERE IT'S IT IS AGAIN, A DELIVERABLE BASED ON WHETHER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE VETTING PROCESS, BUT IT IS OUTLINED FOR YOU. SO AS I MENTIONED, 12 MONTHS SKILLS BASED FOCUS GROUP WITH SEVEN SEATS. EACH SEAT IS TIED TO A SPECIFIC KIND OF EXPERTISE. SO A REAL ESTATE SEAT, A COMMERCIAL BROKERAGE OR LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, LAND USE AND COUNTY, A FINANCE SEAT, SMALL BUSINESS LENDING OR MUNICIPAL FINANCE AND INDUSTRY SEAT WITH TECH OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MEDICAL EXPERTISE. A LOCAL BUSINESS SEAT, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM OLD TOWN OR A MAJOR CORRIDOR OWNER, A TECHNICAL SEAT, SOMEONE WITH URBAN PLANNING, CIVIL ENGINEERING OR DATA SCIENCE BACKGROUNDS. AN ECONOMICS SEAT WITH AN INSTRUCTOR, PROFESSOR, BUDGET ANALYST, AND THEN A YOUTH A YOUTH INTERN SEAT WHERE WE COULD REACH INTO THE FUTURE OF LEANDER AND IDENTIFY HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS OR COLLEGE ECONOMIC STUDENTS. BASICALLY SEVEN SEATS WITH PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE SERVING WITH EXPERTISE THAT THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY KNOW. IT'S 12 MONTHS. IT'S NOT OPEN ENDED. SO FOR UNDERSTANDING THIS PROPOSITION, I'M GOING TO USE THE AREAS THAT I OUTLINED IN THE PREVIOUS 
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SLIDE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA. AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THOSE ARE NOT SPECIFICS. THOSE ARE EXAMPLES. AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE. SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IF THIS BOARD WOULD BE OR THIS FOCUS GROUP WOULD BE DIRECTED TO EXAMINE THE, THE, FOR INSTANCE, THE RETAIL LEAKAGE AND JOB TO HOUSING NUMBERS IN THE FIRST QUARTER. SO THE FIRST THREE MONTHS. AND THEN THEY WOULD PIVOT TO LOOKING AT DISTRICT PROFILES, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OLD TOWN AND ALL OF OUR BUSINESS CENTERS. AND THEN IN THAT THIRD QUARTER, THEY WOULD START TO DEVELOP A RECOMMENDATIONS, SPECIFIC PRIORITIZED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD BE AN IMPLEMENTATION ROADMAP. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, COUNCIL NOW HAS SOMETHING CONCRETE IN HAND THAT HAS GONE THROUGH A PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME OF THOSE ECONOMIC IMPACTS. NOW, THE SEATS ARE IMPORTANT AS WHO FILLS THEM. SO THE VETTING PROCESS, AS I SAID, YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT IN HAND. THERE WOULD BE A VETTING APPLICATION WINDOW, STAFF INTAKE. THIS IS A BLIND VETTING THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED. STAFF NOT COUNCIL WOULD REMOVE A COVER PAGES AND SCORE EACH APPLICANT BASED ON CRITERIA. SO WE'RE JUDGING QUALIFICATIONS, NOT NAMES. COUNCIL RECEIVES THIS ANONYMOUS PACKET. WE SEE ID NUMBERS BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, NOT THEIR NAMES. AND THEN WE VOTE BY ID. 
          ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, THOSE PARTICULAR CANDIDATES WOULD BE REVEALED AND THAT VOTE WOULD BE RECORDED. WHY GO THROUGH THIS TROUBLE? BECAUSE IT SEPARATES TWO THINGS THAT USUALLY GET COLLAPSED INTO ONE. WHETHER SOMEONE MEETS THE EXPERTISE BAR IS A TECHNICAL JUDGMENT. STAFF AND SECTOR EXPERTS MAKE THAT CALL. WHICH CANDIDATE IS APPLIED? SORRY, WHICH QUALIFIED CANDIDATE TO APPOINT IS A POLICY JUDGMENT, AND THAT'S COUNCIL'S CALL. KEEPING THE TWO SEPARATE PROTECTS THE VETTING QUALITY AND PROTECTS THE COUNCIL FROM THE APPEARANCE THAT APPOINTMENTS WERE WIRED IN ADVANCE. THE COMPANION DOCUMENT IS HONEST ABOUT THOSE LIMITS. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN READ THAT. YOU CAN GET THE SPECIFICS ON THERE. AND THEN ANONYMITY IS WHAT WE'RE AFTER. IT'S NOT GUARANTEED, BUT THE SCORING DOCUMENTATION HELPS CREATE SOME BARRIERS AND FOCUSES ON QUALIFICATION AS THE PRIMARY FOCUS FOR APPOINTMENT. SO. MR. HERRERA YEAH, SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE HERE. SO I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TIE IT ALL UP HERE. ALL ALL 5 IN 1 PLACE, EACH WITH THE RECOMMENDED ACTION THAT MOVES IT BECAUSE THE ACTION IS THE ACTUAL ASK ONE ADOPT THE COMMITTEE STEERING PROCESS. ANNUAL CYCLE FED BY THE FALL COMMUNITY PLANNING GROUP. QUARTERLY UPDATES ON THE BUDGET CYCLE INSTRUMENT A RESOLUTION TWO CODIFY THE FOCUS GROUP STRUCTURE AND SELECTION TIME BOUND SKILLS. FIRST, PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE EXPLICITLY RECOGNIZED INSTRUMENT A RESOLUTION THREE RESOLVE THE PARKS AND ARTS COMMISSION. OVERLAP PARK OWNS THE PLACE. 
          ARTS COMMISSION OWNS THE ART JOINT WORK, A SINGLE LEAD PLUS ONE CONSULT INSTRUMENT, A POLICY MEMO FOUR ALIGN THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO THE FOCUS GROUP FRAMEWORK. FULLY INDEPENDENT PARKS PARTNERSHIP PATTERN CODIFIED INSTRUMENT A RESOLUTION FIVE LAUNCH THE SRG AS A 12 MONTH SKILL BASED PILOT. SEVEN SEATS, THREE FOCUS AREAS. 
          FOUR PHASE DELIVERABLES ENDING IN AN IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION ROADMAP. THIS ONE GOES TO THE CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW FIRST OF THE FIVE FOUR MOVE BY RESOLUTION AMENDMENT WITH NO ORDINANCE CHANGE, AND THE FIFTH IS TO FIND PILOT CLEARS LEGAL REVIEW BEFORE IT STARTS. THAT IS DELIBERATE. WE WANT TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD WHILE ALLOWING FOR ADJUSTMENT. AS WE EXAMINE THE RESULTS OF THE CHANGES. A LIGHT FOOTPRINT TO MANAGE CHANGE. SO AGAIN HERE LEGAL REVIEW IS NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEFINED IN THE PROCESS. AS WE CAME TO SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO DO THIS ON A LEAP OF FAITH. WE WANT THESE QUESTIONS TO GO TO CITY ATTORNEY AND GET ANSWERED BEFORE WE DO ANY OF THIS NEW GROUP AND HOLDING ITS MEETING. SO THIS DOES APPLY TO THE SRG. 
          THE ONE THING WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO CORRECTLY IS OPEN MEETINGS. APPLICABILITY. WHETHER A STAFF SUPERVISED AD HOC GROUP FALLS OUTSIDE OF TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT POSTING RULES, AND EXACTLY WHEN COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS PLUS WORK PRODUCT TO COUNCIL WOULD TRIGGER THOSE RULES. TWO HOW THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING RULES WOULD APPLY. HOW SMALL GROUPS CAN DRAFT MATERIAL WITHOUT EACH ONE SEPARATELY TRIGGERING POSTING REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER THREE, THE PUBLIC RECORDS ARCHIVAL THE RECORDS THAT THESE GROUPS MUST KEEP UNDER PIA, SO EMAILS, DRAFTS, WORKING DADDY MEMBER COMMUNICATIONS AND THEN FOR THE ADVISORY ONLY STATUS. IT'S A FORMAL DEFINITION, MAKING CLEAR THAT THIS WORK IS ADVICE AND 
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CANNOT BE READ AS A BINDING RESOLUTION OR DIRECTION TO STAFF OR COUNCIL. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH UNAMBIGUOUS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT BEFORE WE HAVE ANY MEETINGS OR ANY PILOT HAS STARTED. SO THAT'S A SAFEGUARD IN PLACE ON PURPOSE. NOW, WHY? WELL, THE ANSWER IS, AS WE WENT THROUGH AND TALKED TO THE STAKEHOLDERS, WE MET WITH ALL OF THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENT RATHER NOT DEPARTMENT HEADS, BUT COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND HEADS, CHAIRS. AND THEY ALL RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT STAKEHOLDER REVIEW AND SPECIFIC AND HAD SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO ANSWER THAT. SO THIS PLAN THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH IS NOT SPECIFICALLY A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A RESPONSE TO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE WE LISTEN TO THEM AND WE SAID, HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE TELLING US ARE PROBLEMS AND OBSTACLES TO THE WAY THAT THEY CURRENTLY RUN WHILE WE LOOK AT MAKING IT MORE EFFICIENT? SO I'M GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO CALL OUT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS HERE. YOU CAN READ THE DECK ITSELF, BUT YOU KNOW, MULTI-CHANNEL COMMUNICATION, VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION THAT IS ANSWERED IN RECOMMENDATION ONE, THE ANNUAL PLANNING AND THE STEERING CYCLE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. WE HAD SOME STAFF ENGAGEMENT QUESTIONS, SCOPE OF AFFIRMATIONS. GRANT RESEARCH WAS ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP. BUT WE DO START TO ANSWER THOSE IN RECOMMENDATION FOUR, WHICH IS JUST THE ALIGNMENT WITHIN THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE CURRENT GROUP DID ASK FOR FOCUS AREAS WHERE RESIDENT INPUTS COULD BE PRESERVED. AND WE DO THAT AGAIN IN RECOMMENDATION ONE AND THEN IN RECOMMENDATION FIVE AND THEN DELIVERABLES, ACCOUNTABILITY, ANNUAL VETTING. ALL OF THAT IS ANSWERED IN RECOMMENDATION ONE. 
          SO WE ARE LISTENING TO WHAT IT IS THAT OUR COMMITTEE, CURRENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE TELLING US. OKAY, SO. SO WHAT? SO JUST QUICKLY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, IS AN ANNUAL COMMUNITY INPUT WINDOW. EVERY FALL, STAFF LED STEERING PROCESS, STAFF LED STEERING PROCESS THAT LINES ADVISORY WORK UP WITH THE BUDGET CYCLE, A PARKS AND ART COMMISSION WORKFLOW FIX THAT NEEDS NO ORDINANCE CHANGE. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION REALIGNMENT THAT KEEPS IT FULLY INDEPENDENT AND WRITES DOWN THE PARKS PARTNERSHIP AND A 12 MONTH ESR PILOT WITH THREE FOCUS THAT ENDS IN AN IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION ROADMAP. FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REQUIRE NO ORDINANCE CHANGE. ONE IS A 12 MONTH PILOT, AND EVERY LEGAL QUESTION IS RESOLVED BEFORE ANYTHING STARTS UP. THERE YOU GO. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE STILL ON SCRIPT. NEXT, LET ME TIE THE STRONGEST THREADS TOGETHER. YEAH. THIS PACKAGE GIVES RESIDENTS A REAL REGULAR SEAT AT THE START OF THE PROCESS. IT GIVES OUR BOARDS CLEAR LANES, SO GOOD WORK STOPS STALLING BETWEEN THEM. AND IT GIVES COUNCIL BETTER ECONOMIC INFORMATION TO GUIDE HOW LEANDER GROWS WHILE PROTECTING THE THINGS THAT MAKE LEANDER FEEL LIKE LEANDER. AND IT DOES ALL OF THAT WITHOUT THE. WITH A DELIBERATELY LIGHT FOOTPRINT, FOUR OF THE FIVE MOVE WITH NO ORDINANCE CHANGE. THE FIFTH IS A PILOT WITH A START DATE AND END DATE AND A LEGAL REVIEW, AND MUST PASS FIRST. NOTHING HERE IS PERMANENT. THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE. NOTHING LAUNCHES UNTIL THE CITY ATTORNEY SIGNS OFF. WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR CONSENSUS AND YOUR DIRECTION TO MOVE THESE FIVE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD, TO LET STAFF BEGIN DRAFTING THE RESOLUTIONS IN THE WORKFLOW MEMO, AND TO SEND THE E, S, R G QUESTIONS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION. LET US KNOW TONIGHT IN THE. LET US KNOW TONIGHT AND FLAG ANYTHING YOU WANT TO JUST BEFORE IT COMES BACK. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, AND WE'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK IN THE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET TO MORE OF THE DETAIL OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY PROPOSING BECAUSE IT WE KIND OF TALK AROUND IT A LITTLE BIT. AND BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL HERE, AND WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT ANDREW AND I HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST, WHAT, SIX MONTHS? YEAH. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SIX MONTHS. I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND, AND THINGS. AND SO WE TALKED DIFFERENTLY AND THINGS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME THING IN MIND. SO OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. KUDOS TO YOU ALL FOR WORKING TOGETHER, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY COMMUNICATE DIFFERENTLY AND SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT Y'ALL PUT IN TO DO THIS. I GOT THE DATES. IT WAS BACK ON NOVEMBER 6TH OF 2025 THAT WE PUT THIS SUBCOMMITTEE TOGETHER OR VOTED TO PUT IT TOGETHER. AND THE WHAT Y'ALL WERE TASKED WITH AT THAT TIME WAS REALLY TO REVIEW THE CURRENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES COMPOSITION AND THEIR DUTIES. AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED ALL OF THIS. THERE'S BEEN TALK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 21 THAT WE NEEDED TO 
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REVISE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BECAUSE MANY OF THEM HAVE ORDINANCES THAT WERE STARTED AND THEY WERE STARTED FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE AND HOW THEY NECESSARILY OPERATE NOW. 
          AND BECAUSE THE CITY HAS GOTTEN LARGER NOW, WE HAVE THE USE OF THINGS LIKE THE COMMUNITY SURVEY. WE MAY NOT NEED ALL OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY WERE SET UP BACK THEN, YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY WERE SET UP. SO I DO APPRECIATE HOW MUCH THOUGHT AND TIME, CLEARLY, A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT Y'ALL PUT INTO BRINGING THIS TO COUNCIL. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS. I YOU'VE SAID IT A FEW TIMES AND I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY. WHY THERE'S NO ORDINANCE CHANGE REQUIRED FOR LPAC MOVING WITH THE PARKS BOARD, BECAUSE THEY OPERATE WITH TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. SO WHY IS THERE FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT, NO ORDINANCE CHANGE NEEDED? WELL, WHAT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY, I GUESS OUR GOAL IS TO COMBINE THEM AS IN ESSENCE, ONE, ONE BOARD. AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS THAT PARKS IS ACTUALLY A VERY LARGE BOARD WITH A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY PARKS. AND SO WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY THE QUESTIONS ARE BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY THINK POSSIBLY THE NAME OF THAT SHOULD BE CALLED LIKE QUALITY OF LIFE AND RECREATION, BECAUSE IT HAS THE LIBRARY UNDERNEATH IT. IT HAS THE SENIOR CENTER, IT HAS ALL THE PARKS AND REC AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN IT ALSO AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE ART UNDERNEATH IT. AND SO BASICALLY THEY, THEY ARE, THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AS OUR INTERACTION WITH THE, WITH THE PEOPLE. I MEAN, THAT IS THAT IS IT. AND, AND WE THINK THAT BY PUTTING TOGETHER THIS, THIS PATTERN, THIS LIFE CYCLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE CAN SPIN THE EFFORTS OF ALL OUR VOLUNTEERS INTO DOING THE DIFFERENT EVENTS AND EVERYTHING. SO, SO BUT YOU DIDN'T MEAN THAT THERE WAS NO ORDINANCE CHANGE, BECAUSE CLEARLY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR THEM TO EVEN BE COMBINED BECAUSE THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER TWO ORDINANCES, RIGHT? YES, YES, WE PROBABLY WOULD NEED AN ORDINANCE. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING AND I 100% AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FELT THAT THESE ARE QUALITY OF LIFE, OR THERE MIGHT BE AND THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER NAME. WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO CHANGE THE NAME. IT'S LEANDER PARKS AND ARTS AND CULTURE. LIKE IT'S IT'S THE SAME INITIALS THAT ARE ALREADY ON EVERYTHING FROM WHAT I CAN SEE. BUT MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT I. I AGREE THAT THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AND PARKS AND ART MAKES SENSE BEING TOGETHER. BUT I WOULD ALSO TELL YOU THAT FROM MY VIEWPOINT, HISTORICAL MAKES SENSE THERE BECAUSE THERE IS OVERLAP THAT Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR WORK PRODUCT. AND THERE IS A THAT WE NEED HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, OR AT LEAST THE IDEA OF IT. BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW WHEN Y'ALL LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCES FOR EACH OF THESE COMMITTEES AND COMPARED IT TO THE WORK THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE, WHERE DID YOU COME UP? FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I LOOKED AT JUST HPC, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ORDINANCE IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE WORK THAT THEY DO. AND WHEN I PULLED THE DOCUMENTS TO ASK ABOUT IT, NONE OF THAT WORK HAD BEEN DONE IN THREE YEARS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE WHEN Y'ALL LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCES FOR LPAC AND FOR, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND FOR HPC, HOW DID Y'ALL COMPARE WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO TODAY? AS WE STAND TO WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THEY DO IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, THE ORDINANCES, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP IN THE ORDINANCE BETWEEN LPAC AND PARKS, SO IT WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY REQUIRE A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS BETWEEN THOSE TWO ORDINANCE DOCUMENTS. THE ANALYSIS THAT I DID THERE SEEMS TO INDICATE I COULD BE WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT WE COULD COMBINE THOSE WITH JUST A MEMO JUST BY BY, BY SETTING FORTH DIRECTION FOR THOSE BOARDS WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO CREATE ORDINANCE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE THE LEGAL PIECE IN THERE AS WELL. WE WANT TO HAVE CITY ATTORNEY REVIEW THIS TO MAKE SURE. ARE WE RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IT IS. DOES IT REQUIRE ORDINANCE CHANGE OR NOT? FUNCTIONALLY, EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, RIGHT? FUNCTIONALLY, THE ORDINANCES DON'T NECESSARILY ALIGN WITH WHAT THE WORK PRODUCT IS OF THOSE COMMISSIONS TODAY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE PIVOTING OR ASKING TO PIVOT TO MORE OF THIS FOCUS GROUP TYPE APPROACH, WHICH ELIMINATES SOME OF THAT PRESUMED RESPONSIBILITIES AND WOULD ALLOW FOR COUNCIL TO DEFINE THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH AGAIN, IS THAT STATUTORY OR THAT WE'RE NOT THE STATUTORY, 
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BUT THE COUNCIL GROUP, THE CITIZEN COUNCIL GROUP. BEFORE WE GO INTO REALIGNING THE WAY THAT WE CREATE THESE FOCUS GROUPS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THE INTENT IS TO GIVE US FLEXIBILITY, TO ALLOW FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GROW AS THE CITY GROWS AND CHANGE AS THE CITY CHANGES, IT'S CLEAR TO US THAT THE CURRENT STRUCTURE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. BLESS YOU. SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION IS IS TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION BASED ON THE INITIAL AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE INITIAL ANALYSIS, I DIDN'T SEE A NEED FOR ORDINANCE CHANGE, BUT IT'S POTENTIAL THAT I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A FAIR CALL OUT. BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR QUESTION WAS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE FOUND WITH LPAC, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWING WHAT THEIR CHARTER IS. 
          AND THEY'RE BASICALLY DOING THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, WHAT WE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ENERGY THERE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STUFF THERE. 
          SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE BECOME MORE EVENT DRIVEN OVER TIME. AND WE THINK THAT WHILE WHILE THAT'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE IN THIS BROADER THING, WE THINK THAT THE PRESERVATION PART IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY AN ANNUAL DISCUSSION AND GOES BACK INTO THAT, THAT THAT FOCUS AREA WHERE WE DO THAT AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AND THE STAFF AND THEY COME TOGETHER AND THEY SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING HERE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO? AND THEN THEY BRING IT BACK IN THE WORKSHOP AND IN THE SPRING WORKSHOP, AND THEN WE KIND OF BRING IT THROUGH. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE KIND OF ENVISION, BECAUSE WE DO THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE THAT THERE ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HISTORICAL IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST OLD, OKAY. THERE ARE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN THIS CITY OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS THAT WILL BECOME HISTORICAL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT THERE WILL BE BECAUSE LEANDER'S BUILDING A HISTORY AND HISTORICAL PRESERVATION IS ABOUT PRESERVING HISTORY. NO, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP ACCURATE RECORD OF WHERE THE CITY HAS BEEN, HOW WE STARTED AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND WE NEED SOMEBODY TO DO THAT. BUT LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE TASKED TO DO WAS ASSIST IN APPLYING FOR PRESERVATION AND REHABILITATION GRANTS, RECOMMEND DESIGNATION OF RESOURCES AS HISTORICAL LANDMARKS. SO THERE'S LIKE TEN THINGS HERE AND OUTSIDE OF EVENTS. EVENTS IS NOT EVEN A PART OF THIS. AND I CAN'T FIND ANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN DONE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE RIGHT ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING HISTORICAL PRESERVATION TO BE OR DO, BUT I DO STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO BE A PART OF PARKS, SINCE THERE IS OVERLAP AS OPPOSED TO ITS OWN SEPARATE. AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT REALLY QUICK THING. YEAH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ORIGINALLY THAT I ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO MIKE AND, AND WE WERE NOT NECESSARILY AGREEING ON THIS ONE, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, BUT PART OF THAT PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER, IT DOES, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PART OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONVERSATION AS WELL. SO ORIGINALLY I DID LOOK AT COMBINING THOSE TWO BOARDS AND BRINGING HISTORICAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE IS SOME CROSSOVER THERE. BUT WHEN WE REALLY GOT DOWN TO THE BRASS TACKS, IT'S JUST TOO MESSY. IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. SO BY PIVOTING THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION FOCUS GROUP, WE CAN NOW TAKE THE ITEMS THAT ARE DELINEATED IN THE ORDINANCE AND ASSIGN THOSE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS BASED ON THE FOCUS FOR THAT YEAR. SO IT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO TASK THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION GROUP WITH THOSE EFFORTS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, TO YOUR POINT, THEY'RE LISTED, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING DONE. AND IT'S NOT A FINGER POINTING. IT'S NOT A BLAME GAME. IT'S JUST LIKE IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. SO LET'S RE THINK HOW WE DO THIS. AND IF THAT IS INTENTIONAL FOR US, IF WE DECIDE IN 2028 THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION FOCUS GROUP LOOK AT A SPECIFIC GRANT OR A SPECIFIC APPLICATION, THEN THEY KNOW THAT'S WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS OF THEM. THERE ARE TIME SENSITIVE. 
          DELIVERABLES FOR THAT, AND THEY HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY TO TO GETTING IT DONE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T EXIST. AND I WOULD SAY SO ON THE FOCUS GROUP PART, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, WE GO THROUGH A PATTERN EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE'RE DOING THE CHARTER REVIEW. EVERY THREE YEARS WE'RE DOING THAT. WE THINK THAT THOSE THINGS SHOULD ALSO BE PART OF THOSE FOCUS GROUPS, SO THAT ALL THOSE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION THINGS ARE COMING UP AS PART OF A FOCUS THING EVERY THIRD YEAR, EVERY SECOND YEAR, WHATEVER THE PATTERN IS THAT WE DECIDE THAT THAT STAFF DECIDES AND WHAT WE DECIDE WORKS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING WE NEED TO REVISIT IT AND SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING THERE? IS THERE SOMETHING AVAILABLE? AND SHOULD WE BE DOING IT AND, AND STUFF? SO. WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU, I'M, I'M ALL FOR COMBINING THE PARKS AND LPAC. I, I'M ALSO FOR COMBINING ALL THREE IF THAT WAS AN OPTION, BUT THAT'S JUST ME, 
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BUT I'LL MOVE TO PLACE ONE SO YOU CAN. WELL, JUST FIRST OFF, THANK YOU SO MUCH, BOTH ANDREW AND MIKE FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF INTERVIEWS WITH A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS AND YOU'VE SET A HIGH BAR. I THINK ACTUALLY, FOR COUNCILWOMAN BLAIR AND I IN OUR DARK SKY PROCESS, KIND OF HAVING A LITTLE VISION OF THE FUTURE. I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS AND I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, REALLY HER FOUR MAIN POINTS HERE. THE ONE THAT MOST INTERESTS ME IS REALLY THIS 12 MONTH SRG PILOT. 
          I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NADINE AND I ARE BOTH EDAC ALUM. AND I WANTED TO ASK IF THIS PILOT IS ADOPTED, WOULD THIS RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH EDAC EDC? AND THEN IF THE PILOT GOES WELL, IS IT MAYBE THE INTENT OF COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD PHASE OUT THAT COMMITTEE AND MAKE ESRGA PERMANENT COMMITTEE? YES AND NO. BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WOULD STILL JUST BE A FOCUS GROUP. THE THE, THE CURRENT AND YOU KNOW THIS AS WELL AS I DO, RIGHT? THAT THE CURRENT WAY THAT THE EDC IS ORGANIZED, IT'S IT'S NOT ACTIONABLE. THERE'S NOT ANYTHING FUNCTIONAL THAT CAN THAT CAN COME FROM THAT COMMITTEE. AND WHAT WE END UP DOING WITH THAT IS THAT WE END UP LOSING INTERESTED PARTIES, CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT, AND WE KIND OF BURN PEOPLE OUT ON, ON THE CITY LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK. I THINK THAT'S ACROSS A COUPLE OF RIGHT. THE BOARDS. 
          I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. SO AS FAR AS CONCURRENT, I, I, I, I SEE THIS AS AND, AND IT'S, IT'S INTENTIONALLY FLEXIBLE BECAUSE I SEE THIS AS A WAY TO GET TO A ECONOMIC INPUT THAT ACTUALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE AND COULD BE, AGAIN, LIKE A FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR OUR STAFF AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT WOULDN'T BE INDEPENDENT OF THEM. IT'S GOING TO BE AT THEIR DIRECTION, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR THOSE THINGS TO BE ADDRESSED. AGAIN, THE EXAMPLES THAT I PROVIDED ARE EXAMPLES. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY DO. WE WOULD GO THROUGH IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE WITH THE PILOT, THEN THERE'S A PROCESS WHERE WE'RE CONSULTING WITH WITH RANDALL, NICOLE, AND TODD AND FIGURING OUT WHAT ARE THOSE THREE THINGS LIKE, WHAT ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT THE S, R, G SHOULD BE ADDRESSING BASED ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT WE BRING IN FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD? SO I WOULD ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE BOARDS, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IS IS BASICALLY FOLDING THEM IN AND THEN NOT ADDING MORE PEOPLE. SO BASICALLY THEY'D RUN OUT THEIR TERMS. SO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, WE WOULD FOLD THE LPAC INTO YES, YES, THE HPC, YES, THE PARKS, WE WOULDN'T APPOINT ANYBODY IN OCTOBER. AND WE BASICALLY. SO, SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, WE REALLY WANT ARE THOSE PEOPLE TO REALLY BE PART OF THE FOCUS GROUP AND PART OF THE EVENT STUFF GOING FORWARD? ALSO, AS WE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO WE DO NEED TO BRIDGE THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CLEAN SOLUTION TO THAT RIGHT NOW, TO BE HONEST, FOR ESRG, I MEAN, I THINK THE PILOT IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT. IF IT MOVES FORWARD AND IT'S SUCCESSFUL. WELL, FIRST, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON PILOT, I THINK I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT TO YOU ALL. IF YOU TWO ARE AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          BUT IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL PILOT, I THINK THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE CHARGED IN THE SG CAN JUST BECOME THE TASK OF EDC, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MANY EDC FOLKS HAVE SAID, IS EDC DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TASKS TO ACCOMPLISH. AND I THINK THAT YOU AND I FELT THAT IN SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT YOU'VE INTERVIEWED THAT ARE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE FELT THAT. 
          YEAH, BUT THE POINT OF A TRADITIONAL EDC, IF THEY HAVE A FOUR B OR FOUR A, IS TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WHICH IS WHY THERE IS NOT WORK FOR OUR EDC, WHICH IS AN ADVISORY. AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT. LIKE WE ARE STILL NOT ABLE TO FUND THAT. SO. 
          RIGHT. I MEAN, NOT FUNDING IT, BUT TO COUNCILMAN NADINE'S POINT IN THIS PILOT, THERE ARE SOME TASKS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO MANAGING ONE OF THOSE FUNDS, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT IS THE INTENT. THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE ADVISORY BASED TO HAVE TASKS ARE CLEARLY DEFINED THAT THEY CAN. IT'S A RESEARCH GROUP IN IN ITS IN ITS FOUNDATION. IT'S A RESEARCH GROUP. IT'S TO AID IN IDENTIFYING THOSE PROCESSES AND HELP. AND IT'S AN EXTENSION OF COUNCIL. THEY CAN RESEARCH THINGS AND, AND HAVE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY DO OURSELVES. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THE REST OF COUNCIL GIVING THEIR COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE ANY REBUTTALS, BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE A LITTLE LATE ON TIME HERE, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD OR QUESTION? SO FIRST, THANK YOU 
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AS WELL, COUNCILMAN AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER NADINE, FOR THE WORK ON THIS. ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I DO NEED SOME TIME TO DIGEST THE FIVE OPTIONS AND CHANGES. I HAD SOME INTERESTING THOUGHTS AROUND THE PILOT BEING VERY SUPPLEMENTARY TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE SOME DIFFERENTIATORS? I KIND OF WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. AND THEN I ALSO, I ALSO FEEL LIKE I WANT TO REEVALUATE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED BASED OFF OF THE CORE PRINCIPLE OF THE WHY BEHIND THIS, THIS ACTION AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN ALIGNMENT WITH, ARE WE EXERCISING CHANGES THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAPTURING THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SUPPORT, THE RIGHT LEVEL OF LEADERSHIP FROM OUR COMMUNITIES, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND SO I NEED PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME ALIGNMENT THERE BEFORE I COME BACK WITH WITH COMMENTARY. THANKS FOR SORRY, PLEASE FOR THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THAT YOU DID. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BLAIR THAT IT'S A LOT. SO I ALSO AM ONE WHO KIND OF LIKES TO SIT WITH THINGS TOO. BUT FIRST I WANT TO JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY. SO I MOVED HERE IN 2010 AND MY SON BECAME A CUB SCOUT PRACTICALLY IMMEDIATELY. AND WHEN WE WOULD GO TO THE MEETINGS, THIS GENTLEMAN WOULD COME IN EVERY, EVERY SINGLE MEETING, EVERY MONTH, AND HE WOULD SAY, DO YOU WANT A LEANDER PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION? WOULD YOU SIGN MY PETITION? AND I REMEMBER IN 2010, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE CREATING THE LEANDER PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION ON THEIR OWN FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY PETITIONING COUNCIL THAT THEY WANTED THIS. SO I WOULD WANT TO DEFINITELY SEE HOW PARKS AND LPAC WOULD WORK TOGETHER IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, EACH HAVING THEIR OWN LANE, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I DO HAVE SOME WORRIES ABOUT CHANGING IT TO A FOCUS GROUP FROM A COMMISSION, BECAUSE WHILE THE MONTHLY MEETINGS MAY SEEM LIKE A BURDEN TO US, FOR SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, THAT'S WHEN THEY GET OUT AND SOCIALIZE WITH OTHER PEOPLE. THAT'S WHEN THEY GET THEIR VOICE HEARD, AND THAT IS VERY VALUABLE TIME TO THEM. I ALSO AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE A PIPELINE TO NOT ONLY COUNCIL, BUT WHEREVER PEOPLE MIGHT GO. I KNOW THAT WHEN WHEN I WAS FIRST ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION MANY YEARS AGO THAT WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE GOT ON LIKE, THIS IS A GOOD RESUME BOOSTER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CAREER DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT ON YOUR RESUME. AND I FEEL LIKE BY MAKING IT A FOCUS GROUP, WE KIND OF TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT POSH THAT KIND OF GOES WITH THEM FEELING LIKE THEY'RE A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER. WHAT ELSE? SO SO I WOULD WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT REALIGNMENT WITH PARKS AND LPAC SPECIFICALLY WOULD WORK. YOU KNOW, IS IT LPAC IS THE SAME AND THEY JUST HAVE THEIR LANE AND PARKS HAS THEIR LANE, WHICH I THINK IS TOTALLY FEASIBLE AND DOABLE. I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE NOT GETTING ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS. THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY INPUT WINDOW IS OCTOBER TO DECEMBER. SO WOULD THAT BE OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR TO DECEMBER? SO THIS WOULD NOT START UNTIL JANUARY OF 27. LIKE THE TIMING. AND THEN IF THAT IS, WOULDN'T THAT TIMING BE CONTRARY TO BUDGETING, WHICH HAPPENS IN AUGUST? SO IF WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT WINDOW IN AUGUST AND THEN IN OCTOBER DECIDING WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE, WE'VE KIND OF PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. SO, SO SO THE POINT OF THIS IS, IS FOR US TO GET ALIGNED ON OUR BUDGETING PROCESS ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT SO WE'RE STARTING OUR BUDGET YEAR OF 2027. AND IN THAT, IN THAT FIRST QUARTER, THERE WE SIT DOWN. WE HAVE THE ADVISORY GROUP, WE SIT DOWN, WE COME UP WITH OUR PRIORITIES. THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THOSE PRIORITIES IN THOSE OUT OF THOSE ADVISORY GROUPS COME TO US IN THE SPRING. 
          SO THEN WE HAVE WHEN WE HAVE OUR SPRING RETREAT, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE BROUGHT UP TO US AND THEY HAVE A COST. THEY HAVE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THAT'S FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. SO SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OCTOBER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN BUDGET YEAR 2028. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS PEOPLE BRING ALL THE STUFF UP AND WE HAVE IT ON 
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IT. WE, WE LAY OUT THE CALENDAR FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND IT COMES UP. AND SO THEN THERE ARE LITERALLY FIVE MONTHS BEFORE IT GOES AND GETS FUNDED FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO SEE IT, FOR THE STAFF TO SEE IT, TO PLAN AROUND IT, AND, AND TO BRING THE ENERGY BEHIND IT. AND SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET, IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE COMING YEAR. AND THAT WAY WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD AND WE'RE LOOKING BASICALLY NINE MONTHS OUT SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO THAT WAY, WHEN WE WANT TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO DO AN MLK PARADE AND WE WANT TO HAVE A REALLY BIG ONE IN LEANDER, NOT CEDAR PARK, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND PLAN THAT AND FUND IT. WE CAN DO THAT. THE SAME THING WITH JUNETEENTH. WE DO THE SAME THING FOR FEST, WHATEVER IT IS THAT COMES OUT OF THERE AND WE CAN FUND IT PROPERLY, GET THE CITY ALIGNED ON IT AND MOVE IT FORWARD. AS FAR AS THE, ABOUT THE, THE VOLUNTEERS, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE WILL HAVE WE HAVE ENOUGH NOTICE THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT. BUT WE ALSO, IF WE WANT TO SCALE THINGS, IF WE WANT TO DO BIGGER THINGS IN THE CITY, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'RE 100,000 PEOPLE NOW. I'VE HEARD THAT LIKE 20 TIMES TONIGHT, RIGHT? AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED BIGGER THINGS. AND THE THING IS, IS THAT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OUTSIDE ENTITIES COMING IN AND PARTNERING WITH THE CITY AROUND CERTAIN THINGS. WE HAVE THE CHAMBER DOING SOME STUFF, WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS, AND WE WANT YOU TO DO BIGGER THINGS. AND WE WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT DOING. YOU KNOW, A MUSIC FESTIVAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND IF WE WANT THESE TO HAPPEN, WE'RE GOING TO NEED OUTSIDE PARTIES THAT AREN'T ON THESE BOARDS TO COME IN AND ASSIST US WITH IT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED OUTSIDE MONEY AND PARTNERSHIPS AND ALL THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE PATTERN AND THE THING. BUT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTNER WITH BIGGER PLACE THINGS, TO DO, STUFF WE WILL BE HAMSTRUNG AND WE NEED OUTSIDE MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION LIKE CEDAR PARK. WE DON'T HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION LIKE CEDAR PARK, LIKE LIBERTY HILL HAS AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF ARRANGEMENT. SO THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. SO I DON'T MEAN TO GET ALL WRAPPED UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY SO I GUESS NOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY PARTNERING WITH OUTSIDE PARTNERS. SO LIKE THE CURRENT COMMISSION WOULD BE OUT FUNDRAISING OR SO. ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH THE CITY MANAGER, SOMEONE JUST BRING THIS UP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER CITIES, THERE ARE OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE CITY AND USE THEIR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT. SO, FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T HAVE WE COULD HAVE A SPORTS CONGRESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE COULD HAVE OTHER LEAGUES TO LOOK AT RUNNING OUR FIELDS OR DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. THE WAY WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PATTERN OF HOW THAT WORKS. SO YOU'RE SAYING NONRESIDENTS WOULD BE IN THE FOCUS GROUP? WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE A BETTER ABILITY TO PARTNER WITH OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS IN ORDER TO BRING MORE VALUE TO OUR CITIZENS IN DIFFERENT CASES. HOW AS PART OF THE DIRECTION OR PERHAPS THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM THE FOCUS GROUPS. RIGHT. SO THE IDEA IS BY ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE OXYGEN INTO THE ROOM AND HAVING A DIRECTION, I'LL USE MIKE'S EXAMPLE, THE, THE, THE MUSIC FESTIVAL, RIGHT DOESN'T EXIST. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A FOCUS GROUP IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR THAT WOULD BE DIRECTED TO UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY CAN SUPPORT A MUSIC FESTIVAL AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO THAT'S THE TASK. AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE ANNUAL COMMITTEE INPUT. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT WHOLE PROCESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE THIS STEERING PROCESS, THESE IDEAS CAN BE VETTED AND BROUGHT UP DURING THAT PROCESS. THEN THEY COME TO US AND WE CAN DETERMINE AT THAT POINT IN TIME OR COUNCIL IS IN THE FUTURE, CAN DETERMINE AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHAT THEY DO TO FACILITATE THAT. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM FOR THAT TODAY. WE'RE IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE HAMSTRUNG BY THE EXISTING COMMITTEES, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE THINGS THROUGH THOSE EXISTING COMMITTEES. AND THEY JUST THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONALLY THAT STRUCTURED THAT WAY. SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO RE RESTRUCTURE HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT TO ALLOW US, FRANKLY, AND AND FUTURE COUNCILS THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS AS THEY OCCUR. AND MAYBE WE TRY MUSIC FESTIVAL AND IT FALLS FLAT ON ITS FACE. AND THE NEXT YEAR THEY SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO DO A FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL. OKAY, LET'S SEE IF THAT WORKS. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE IN THE FOCUS GROUP? I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY, AGAIN, ESTIMATING WHAT WE WOULD NEED WOULD BE BASED ON THE FOCUS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE SOMETHING LIKE A MUSIC FESTIVAL, I'D SAY, RIGHT. 
          BUT ISN'T THE ANNUAL WINDOW, EVERYTHING COMES UP. SO IF WE WANT MLK DAY THAT DAY, IF WE 
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WANT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT YEAR, IT HAS TO COME UP THROUGH THAT OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER DEADLINE. SOME OF THOSE WOULD BE ALREADY DETERMINED. SO SOME OF THE CALENDARS ALREADY SET. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A RENEWAL OF A FOCUS GROUP. FOR INSTANCE. THAT WOULD BE THE MECHANISM BY WHICH YOU COULD CONTINUE THAT PARTICULAR FOCUS GROUP. THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE NEW FOCUS GROUPS OR FACILITATE NEW FOCUS FROM THE GROUPS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE FOCUS GROUP. WHO IS IN THE INPUT WINDOW? I'M ASKING HOW MANY PEOPLE, APPROXIMATELY RESIDENTS ARE, WOULD YOU ARE YOU OR ARE YOU THINKING OF OR HAVE YOU NOT THOUGHT OF IT? I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING. I, I, WE DIDN'T PUT A NUMBER TO THAT NUMBER. THERE'S NO. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES CURRENTLY ON OUR COMMISSION. SO I WORRY THAT THIS WOULD CREATE MORE. I MEAN, IT WILL CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES POSSIBLY FOR PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER. BUT THEN WE COULD END UP NOT. WHAT IF NO ONE WHAT IF THREE PEOPLE ONLY APPLY? YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS THE RISK, RIGHT. THAT'S ALWAYS THE RISK. THE THE THOUGHT IS IN THE STEERING PROCESS. THAT'S A THAT'S TIME CONSTRAINT. OKAY. IT'S LIMITED. RIGHT. AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING. DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. I THINK I'M GOOD. OKAY. OH TEN I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT. 
          YEAH. AND I'VE GOT A PAGE OF NOTES, SO I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE ALL OVER THE PLACE A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE A STRONG OPINION HERE TOO. I FULLY BELIEVE THAT THE COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVE ARE PUT IN PLACE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON YEARS AGO IN OUR CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY SINCE THEN, AND OUR STAFF HAS GROWN AND AND AS I'M LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, THE PRESENTATION THAT I DO APPRECIATE, BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF TIME IN HERE. ALL I SEE IS STAFF TIME BEING USURPED OVER CREATING THINGS THAT AREN'T GOING TO LEAVE ANY IMPACT. I, I'M FULLY ON BOARD WITH PARKS, ARTS, ARTS AND HPC SOMEHOW COMBINING TO CREATE AND MY VISION OF THIS WORLD MOVING FORWARD, WE MIGHT CONSIDER SOMEHOW MAKING OUR VOLUNTEER PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF PUT YOUR NAME IN THE HAT A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR AND TO CALL OUT FOR VOLUNTEERS SO THAT WHEN OUR STAFF NEEDS INPUT ON SOMETHING OR WE WANT INPUT ON SOMETHING, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THIS SO WE CAN GO PULL FROM A NAME OF VOLUNTEERS THAT MIGHT WANT TO DO THIS. I BECAUSE I SEE COMING FROM THIS COMMITTEE THERE BEING A THOUSAND DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEPEND ON STAFF TO TAKE THEIR EYE OFF THE BALL, TO GO RUN ALL THESE IDEAS IN THE CORNER THAT MAY OR MAY NOT VET OUT. AND I JUST I SEE IT AS A MAJORLY COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME, IF THAT'S EVEN A WORD. YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE, WITH THE EAST. I'M LOSING MY LETTERS. 
          ESRG. I THINK IN MAYBE IN A UTOPIAN WORLD THAT MIGHT WORK SOMEWHERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE MOVED THE EDC COMMITTEE BACK TO QUARTERLY FOR SEVERAL REASONS, BUT ONE BEING THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING REALLY TO DO. ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THINGS, THEY'RE NDA SIGNED. THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAD THAT AREN'T UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. IT'S IT'S A CONVERSATION AROUND SOMEBODY MAY BE LOOKING, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE SOME BIG ANNOUNCEMENT. AND THEY DON'T WANT SEVEN OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO CONNECTION AND NO REASON TO KEEP IT SECRET, TO TALK ABOUT THINGS. AND HAVING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT PROCESS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND I HAVE I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE HIRED OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER, THAT WE HIRED SOMEBODY THAT HAD A VERY STRONG ECONOMIC BACKGROUND, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE HIRED HIM. I HAVE A VERY GOOD CONFIDENCE IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, AND I THINK THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE. AND IF WE NEED TO BUDGET TO ADD SOMEBODY ELSE ON THAT TEAM, THAT WE DO THAT. 
          BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THESE 12 MONTH DELIVERABLES FROM THIS TEAM, IT. THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND IS, DO WE NOT HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF? AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT. AND SO I JUST I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AT ALL WHATSOEVER. I CAN SUPPORT PUTTING OUR PARKS, ARTS AND HPC AND CREATING A MORE ROBUST VOLUNTEER SYSTEM. OKAY. 
          IF IT'S QUICK, IT'LL BE SUPER FAST. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A WAY TO MOVE THAT THAT BOARD FORWARD TO IF MAYBE THEY LOOKED AT SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND SOME CHANGES BECAUSE WE THINK IT COULD HELP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS ONE WAY THE ECONOMIC 
          [03:25:04]
DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE COULD HELP THE CITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WHAT'S BEFORE US IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF COUNCIL MEMBER HERRERA AND ANDREW, I'M SORRY, AND COUNCIL MEMBER NADINE. AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. SO WHAT WE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE I HEAR IS THERE'S CONSENSUS AROUND A COMBINED PARK BOARD. LPAC BOARD, HPC. IS THAT CORRECT? OR ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THAT? THAT FEASIBLE? OKAY. AND SO UPDATING THEIR CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A NEW. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. A WHOLE NEW ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THEIR LANE EACH, EACH ONE. I THINK IT'S HOW THE OR WE WOULD ASK STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THE ACTION THERE WOULD BE TO REVIEW EXISTING ORDINANCE. AND THE DIRECTION IS TO WORK TOWARDS COMBINING PARKS LPAC AND HPC. 
          IS THAT IS THAT THE RIGHT. SO PARKS IS MANDATED THOUGH, ISN'T IT? PARKS WE CAN'T TOUCH, RIGHT. 
          WE CAN'T. YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BOARD BASICALLY. YEAH. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THEN WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND, AND WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WE COULD WE COULD DELINEATE THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WELL, WE WOULD GIVE THAT TO STAFF. BUT YES, THAT WOULD BE IN THERE WITH CLASSIFIED AS WELL. YEAH. THE FOLLOW UP. YEAH. SO AS INDIVIDUAL BOARDS, THE OTHER ONES WOULD BE DISSOLVED AS INDIVIDUAL BOARDS, BUT EVERYBODY WOULD BE HOUSED UNDER PARKS AND REC NAME. NO, IT WOULD BE. YEAH. STAFF WOULD ADVISE US ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND WHEN THE SUNSET OF THOSE OTHER. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WOULD HAPPEN. SO WE NEED TO EITHER, I GUESS, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND CAN WE SEPARATE THEM OUT? SINCE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. RESEARCH GROUP. SO WE CAN SEPARATE, WE CAN TAKE THEM AS SEPARATE ITEMS. OKAY. SO TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A COMBINATION BOARD THAT INCLUDES PARKS AND REC, LEANDER PUBLIC ARTS AND CULTURE AND HISTORICAL PRESERVATION UNDER ONE BOARD OR COMMISSION. AND I'LL NEED A SECOND. SECOND. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THAT, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE NOT, AND THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO STAFF WILL WORK ON AN ORDINANCE THAT PUTS ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER, COMES UP WITH THE RESPONSIBILITIES, AND WILL TELL US HOW TO SUNSET THE OTHER ONES AS INDIVIDUAL, SINCE THERE WILL BE A PART OF A GROUP. OKAY. AND WITH LEGAL, OF COURSE TO DO THAT. AND THEN NOW WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD. AS IT STANDS GOING INTO THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESEARCH GROUP, DID I. I DON'T THINK I SAID THE NAME, THANK YOU CORRECTLY. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION. OH GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE A QUESTION. CLARIFICATION. SO WE ARE. SO THE PRESENTATION IS SAYING THAT WE'RE MOVING THE E THE ESRG INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP. IS THAT OKAY? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THIS WOULD REPLACE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. AND SO OUR VOTE WOULD BE, DO WE WANT THIS RESEARCH BODY TO REPLACE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP, OR DO WE JUST WANT TO DISSOLVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP? IS THAT AS A SEPARATE A SEPARATE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ESGESRG REPLACES THE EDC BOARD THAT WE HAVE OUR COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE. I'LL NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL RIGHT. TWO THOSE THAT WOULD NOT LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES 4 TO 3 OR 6 TO 2. I'M SORRY. IT'S. WHY ARE WE ABSTAINING, STEVE? IT WAS YOU. WHY? YOU HAVE VOTED YOU. OKAY. 
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THAT'S. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THOSE YOU CANNOT ABSTAIN. THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE THE ESRG TO REPLACE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. THAT'S THREE. THOSE WHO WOULD NOT LIKE THAT TO REPLACE. THAT'S FOUR THE MOTION CARRIES. THE RESEARCH GROUP WILL NOT REPLACE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD COMMISSION. OKAY. THE NEXT VOTE IS WOULD WE LIKE TO DISSOLVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THAT. AND I NEED A SECOND. I WILL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF DISSOLVING THAT, RAISE YOUR HAND. THREE, THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR. FOUR SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WILL REMAIN. RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. CAN I MAKE A MOTION FOR WHAT? SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR THING WAS TO BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER THE FOCUS GROUP PROCESS WHERE WE GO THROUGH THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE ATTEMPT A PILOT OF IT, OR WE HAVE STAFF LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK WITH WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW THEY WOULD IMPLEMENT IT AND GIVE US THE PROS AND CONS OF WHAT THEY THINK. OKAY. WE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER HERRERA'S MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. SO WHAT? OKAY, SO WELL, OKAY, SO HE IN IN THEIR PACKET, THEY WANTED TO CREATE A CUSTOMER FOCUS GROUP. 
          IT'S NOT CUSTOMER. WHAT WAS THE FOCUS A COMMUNITY FOCUS CAN I, CAN I, CAN I IF YOU HAVE A MOTION, YES, I DO. SO THE MOTION SHOULD READ HAVE DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF AN ANNUAL COMMUNITY INPUT WINDOW IN OCTOBER DECEMBER. THAT WOULD LEAD TO A FOCUS GROUP STEERING PROCESS. EXCELLENT. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. IT WAS STEVEN. RIGHT. 
          I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT. FOR. AND THOSE WHO ARE NOT. THREE ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR DILIGENCE AND YOUR WORK ON THIS. I APPRECIATE IT. WE GOT SOME RESOLVED TONIGHT. SO THANK 
          [25. Council Member Closing Statements.]
YOU. WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM 25, WHICH IS COUNCIL MEMBER. CLOSING COMMENTS. TODAY WE GOT DINNER AT TORCHY'S. SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO TELL YOU SHOP LOCAL ANYTIME YOU CAN. MAKE SURE YOU EAT LOCAL EVERY TIME YOU CAN. AND WE DO THE SAME. WE DO HAVE A BLUE SANTA COMING UP, AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT BLUE SANTA IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE'S AN EVENT ON JULY 25TH, AND WHERE CAN THEY FIND THE INFORMATION ON THE. FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK, WE HAVE FLIERS THAT WILL HAVE OUT THAT YOU CAN FIND. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL EVENTS, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BLUE SANTA FACEBOOK PAGE TO GET MORE INFORMATION. THANK YOU. AND I'LL START WITH PRO TEM YOUR CLOSING COMMENTS. YES. A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE UPCOMING BLUE SANTA. THANK YOU. IT IS AT LEANDER DISTILLING WHICH IS ON HERO WAY. IT'S FROM 6 TO 9 ON JULY 25TH AND WHERE THE LEANDER ACTIVITY CENTER IS AND ALL IN THAT AREA IT IS. 
          THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A FEW MORE VOLUNTEERS, WOULD LOVE SOME MUSIC AND SOME FACE PAINTING AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY, REACH OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA OR I BELIEVE THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS LEANDER BLUE@GMAIL.COM. EXCELLENT. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. PLEASE. FIVE I WANT TO EXTEND MY MOST HEARTFELT AND PERSONAL THANKS TO EACH OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EXAMINING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR COMMITTEES. THESE ARE NOT EASY THINGS TO DETERMINE, AND I APPRECIATE HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT FORTH SOME IDEAS I. I NEVER ANTICIPATED WE'D GET THEM ALL, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM OUT THERE AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE EACH OF YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS, YOUR COMMENTS BACK AT THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH ME AND MIKE IN KIND OF HELPING US FORMULATE THAT WHOLE PROCESS. SO IT REALLY IS APPRECIATED. 
          THIS WEEKEND IS, OF COURSE, I CAN'T NOT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE WORLD CUP BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A FANTASTIC TOURNAMENT. SATURDAY AT 4 P.M. YOU HAVE ENGLAND VERSUS FRANCE IN THE WAWA GAME. AND THEN ON SUNDAY, THE BIG GAME, SPAIN VERSUS ARGENTINA AT 2 P.M. ON FOX OR TELEMUNDO, WHICH THE TELEMUNDO IS MUCH BETTER. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. NOTHING AGAINST FOX 
          [03:35:02]
ON SATURDAY, JULY 18TH, FROM 6 P.M. TO 8 P.M. THERE WILL BE THE THIRD ANNUAL RATHA YATRA FESTIVAL OF CHARIOTS AT LAKEWOOD PARK IN LEANDER. I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE PART IN THIS FESTIVAL LAST YEAR AND WAS ASKED TO RETURN. IT REALLY IS A LOT OF FUN. IT'S SUPER, SUPER NEAT TO BE INVOLVED WITH AND IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO. SO IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON, YOU WANT TO HEAD OUT THERE AROUND 6 P.M. WEATHER PERMITTING. I BELIEVE THAT FESTIVAL WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE HISTORY NOTE IN 1994. ON THIS DATE, THE COMET SHOEMAKER-LEVY NINE HIT JUPITER. THIS WAS THE FIRST COLLISION BETWEEN TWO SOLAR SYSTEM BODIES EVER WITNESSED BY HUMANS, AND ITS FRAGMENTS SLAMMED INTO JUPITER OVER SEVERAL DAYS. SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT. SOME OF YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT EITHER WAY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. AND THEN MY FAVORITE BAND, THE POLICE. EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE, WAS NUMBER ONE ON THIS DATE. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO NOTABLE FOR ONE OTHER THING, BECAUSE JULY 16TH IS STEWART COPELAND'S BIRTHDAY, WHO WAS THE DRUMMER FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED POLICE. THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE RECORD IN THAT WEEK AND THE NUMBER ONE RECORD FOR THAT YEAR. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I KNOW THESE CAN GET A LITTLE HARROWING AT TIMES, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, YOUR UNDERSTANDING, AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STICK WITH US WHILE WE WORK OUT SOME OF THESE STICKY WICKETS TO CARRY MENTAL HEALTH. HAVE A VERY WONDERFUL WEEKEND AND THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT, PLEASE FOR. SO TOMORROW NIGHT, FRIDAY NIGHT IS STEAK NIGHT AT THE VFW COMING OUT $15. STEAK, POTATO, ALL THE GOOD THINGS. IT'S AMAZING AND DELICIOUS. I WANT TO MENTION THE OTHER BLUE SANTA EVENT THAT IS SATURDAY. IT IS AT THE LAKE FROM 11 TO 4. IT IS A FAMILY FUN EVENT VERSUS THE NEANDERTHAL IS ADULTS ONLY. NO ONE UNDER 21, EVEN THE CUTEST BABY. SCOTT SAYS YES. SO IF YOU WANT TO BRING YOUR FAMILY OUT FOR SOME BLUE SANTA FUN. 11 TO 4 AT THE LEANDER ACTIVITY CENTER. THANK YOU. PLEASE. YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO'VE GIVEN THEIR INPUT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO WORK THROUGH HERE ON THE DAIS. AND OFTENTIMES IT IS THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITIZENS THAT REALLY HELP US TO SHAPE WHAT THE FUTURE SHOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE HAD JUDICIOUS INPUT AND PROVIDED US A LOT OF THE EXPERTISE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS HERE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR JUNIOR POLICE ACADEMY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THEIR GRADUATION TOMORROW. SO TO THAT PROGRAM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO, AND I HOPE YOU LEARNED A LOT OF AMAZING THINGS IN THIS SUMMER. AND I ALSO WANT TO PERSONALLY SAY THANK YOU TO MY SISTER IN LAW. IT'S HER BIRTHDAY. I MEAN, SORRY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY SISTER IN LAW. AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR MARRYING MY BROTHER. SO I HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY THIS WEEK AND YOU'RE CELEBRATED AND LOVED. AND THANK YOU TO ALL AND LEANDER. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT AND GOD BLESS. PLEASE DO SO IN TEXAS. YEAH. BUCKIES AND IN PENNSYLVANIA, NEW JERSEY YOU HAVE WAWA. SO WHEN YOU SAID THE WAWA, I THOUGHT, THAT'S YOUR RIGHT. AND IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO FIGURE OUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR CRYING. SO OKAY, I'M WITH YOU. AND, AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK THE CITY AGAIN FOR A WONDERFUL 4TH OF JULY AND A WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY FOR THIS COUNTRY. I JUST, I REALLY IT WAS REALLY GOOD. I HAVE HEARD ALL KINDS OF FEEDBACK ABOUT THE DRONE SHOW AND PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE VERY HAPPY AND STUFF. AND SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, HOLD ON TO IT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'LL BE COMPLAINING SOON ABOUT SOMETHING. SO GOOD NIGHT, PLACE ONE. GOOD NIGHT. WOW. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. 
          I KNOW OH MY GOSH. SO I WILL SAY, I ALSO WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO VOLUNTEERED FOR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND TO SPEND YOUR TIME VOLUNTEERING AND WITH ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE SPENT MANY YEARS, WE HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN ON CERTAIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR YEARS, VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME WITH THE CITY. SO WE TRULY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR DEDICATION AND ALL THE HARD WORK, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO 
          [26. Convene into Executive Session pursuant to:
Section 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding Upper Brushy Creek Water Control and Improvement District (WCID) lower water levels at Lakewood Park lake; andSection 551.071 and Section 551.072 Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05 Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding the acquisition of properties for public purposes and an option agreement for acquisition of real property; andSection 551.071, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05, Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct, and Section 551.072, to consult with legal counsel regarding a lease agreement for City operations; andSection 551.071, Section 551.072 and Section 551.087, Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05 Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding acquisition of properties for public purpose; and to deliberate proposed economic development incentives for one or more business prospects that the governmental body seeks to have locate, stay, or expand in or near the territory of the governmental body with which the City is conducting economic development negotiations along with consideration of a Chapter 380 Agreement(s) for Project EDA-26-01-003 and Project EDA 26-01-004; andSection 551.072 Texas Government Code, and Section 1.05 Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct to consult with legal counsel regarding the acquisition of properties for public purposes.]
WHAT WE DO GOING FORWARD WITH THAT. IT IS 946 AND WE WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ONE SECTION 551.071 GOVERNMENT, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING UPPER BRUSHY CREEK WATER CONTROL AND IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WATER, LOWER WATER LEVELS AT LAKEWOOD PARK AND TWO. SECTION 551.071 AND SECTION 551.072 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT 
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WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES AND AN OPTION AGREEMENT FOR ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY AND THREE. SECTION 551.071 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT AND SECTION 551.072 TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR CITY OPERATIONS AND FOR SECTION 551.071, SECTION 551.072 AND SECTION 551.087 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 1.05 TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE AND TO DELIBERATE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE, STAY OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS, ALONG WITH CONSIDERATION OF A CHAPTER 380 AGREEMENT FOR PROJECT EDA26-01-003 AND PROJECT EDA26-01-004 AND FIVE, 551.072. TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION FIVE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL
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